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Current western culture promotes objectification. People have a natural bias towards attractive people, assuming they're also intelligent, competent, etc. It's called the halo effect. We also like looking at attractive people, which is used all the time in marketing and entertainment. There's a lot of focus on youth in women, even in popular books which don't have pictures. The female protagonist should still be young. This environment, along with the variety of options the beauty industry has t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 12:22 PM
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My point was that women on average spend more hours on such care than men and it should be accounted for. Giving additional support to those who can't work full time due to taking care of family members would help more women than men. Would you still support this solution?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:02 PM
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Could you give some examples of that? What do you think of the fact that women take on a lot of unpaid labour when it comes to caring for family members? Should this be considered an officially paid profession?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:36 AM
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How would your ideal society look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:30 PM
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Can you name exactly where that point is? How do you reconcile the fact that socioeconomic factors and general physical and mental state of the mother affect fetal development with your idea of when it is fair to terminate? You could have an older fetus that is less developed than a younger one whose parents have a stable living situation. Would you compensate that by making the law stricter or more lenient?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:27 PM
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Spermicide doesn't kill people but abortion does. I'm aware that the majority of pro life people are religious. The same could be said of pro choice people because atheists are a minority. I would encourage you to dig a bit deeper into pro life arguments, even to be able to defend your position better. People are objectively human beings from their conception, that's the biological reality. Believing in souls is not needed to extend human rights to every human being. Why and from what point of d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:12 PM
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Why should elective abortions be legal and how are they healthcare if there's nothing wrong with the pregnancy?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:01 AM
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I consider killing innocent people morally wrong even if they depend on us and not killing them causes us suffering and hardships. Abortion is not a passive act but a procedure that is supposed to directly kill innocent people. That's literally it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:00 AM
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I believe it's fundamentally not a religious issue, but the issue of human rights. I consider killing innocent people, even dependent on us, even if not doing so would cause us extreme suffering and hardship, to be morally wrong. In my view, one doesn't get to not consent to their child's existence and kill them because of that. Abortion is not a passive withdrawal but a procedure that is designed to directly kill.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:58 PM
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I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying some violations have worse consequences than others, just as not all crimes are equal in severity
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:54 PM
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The boundaries should be respected in both cases, but I think you also understand ignoring them has different consequences in different contexts. Sexual abuse has much more dire consequences than crossing boundaries of someone who doesn't want to talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:33 AM
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Most jobs aren't as dangerous and exploitative as prostitution, which also isn't necessary for the society to function. Even though work can be bought, if someone buys consent, it means they are ok with having sex with someone who doesn't want it. Even in the best case scenario where the sex worker is rich and just does it for fun, introducing payment changes the dynamic so much it cannot be called true consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:25 AM
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Aren't you bothered by the difference in maturity and life experience? Are you confident that she won't change her plans for the future? What does her family think of this relationship? It seems like moral arguments don't convince you, but maybe the practical side of this would. If you were to date someone closer to your age, it'd be easier to trust they won't change their life goals and expectations. A barely adult person simply doesn't have her life figured out. You even mention she doesn't wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:14 AM
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Why are you pro-choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:29 AM
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Many people here have horrible views. Hopefully, most of them will not get a chance to hurt anyone in real life, though it's still concerning. Sometimes I wonder if some people here have ever seen happy functional families. Or any relationships that aren't purely transactional, where people trust each other and don't see it as a zero sum game. Maybe comprehensive ethics classes would help mitigate some of that. Better mental health awareness certainly would.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:40 PM
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That's true. I don't understand that because I see many benefits to being single. At the same time, I refuse to believe the number of men for whom it isn't a tragedy is so small
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 11:23 AM
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Why is he even ok with having sex with you if you don't enjoy it? Doesn't that build resentment in you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 11:06 AM
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Do you believe people have free will? Surely, the threat of starvation is nowhere near the same level as the pain of being single. I know people have different issues and often fear being alone, but I don't accept the explanation that most men are FORCED to be with a woman, no matter how bad their options are and there's nothing that could be done about it. We can encourage men to build meaningful connections and break away from unhealthy patterns so they don't fear being single that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 09:53 AM
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I'm very sorry that happened to you. I hope you can heal and find the help you need to thrive
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:42 PM
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Why do you feel the need to dehumanize these people? Have you ever considered your daughters or someone else from your family might have a neurodivergent child? How would you treat this child?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:11 PM
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What do you think of men who choose to be single for either personal or religious reasons?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:02 PM
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He can just be single. That's always an option. Why do you have such low opinion of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:24 PM
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What would you do if you were in a relationship and your partner's friend or a family member shared the story of her abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:56 PM
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They may have relationships, but being abusive automatically excludes the possibility for these relationships to be healthy and of good quality. I really don't think it's something to be jealous of
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:34 PM
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It is disturbing but it happens a lot. Of course it is easier to leave early. However, many people have been conditioned to give second chances and not trust their instincts when the concern seems too small. I recommend "Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:18 PM
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But what if they don't know better. If we only have compassion for those whose problems are not connected to their choices in any way, where does it truly end? Should we expect everyone who didn't have a perfect upbringing to never try dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:09 PM
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I would reccomend you "Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft. It explains the dynamics of abuse, if you're interested. Psychology with dr Ana has an old video on it too. Genuinely, I hope you start seeing this problem differently and have more compassion for victims of abuse. How do you feel about abuse in same sex relationships? Do you also have contempt for victims in these cases?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:06 PM
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You say you want to find true love, yet you seem to lack compassion for abuse victims. Isn't that a factor that could shrink your dating pool even more? Now you not only have to search for a woman who wasn't abused, but also accepts your unempathetic views on this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:53 PM
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But what would be the solution in this case? To become abusive? Does the quality of a relationship not matter at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:43 PM
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It depends. Even if that's the only way to avoid starvation, celebrating it as empowerment diverts our attention from the fact they desperately need help
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 11:50 PM
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I would say in this scenario, it is better to do nothing than exploit someone for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 04:06 PM
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Choice feminism is not the only kind of feminism that exists. I wonder, would you say the same about selling kidneys? If the only way for these people to get out of poverty was to sell their kidneys to rich people from the US, would you see it as a free choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 04:05 PM
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Sexual coercion has always been a huge problem that shouldn't be overlooked, as it remains a serious problem to this day. Being coerced with access to contraception is better than without, but we shouldn't act as if those women were just willing to have that much sex no matter the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:37 PM
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In the 8 kids situation, there was probably sexual coercion involved and that problem doesn't vanish when contraception exists. There is much less suffering then, but the social problem of coercion still requires solving. It's scarily common still
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:32 PM
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But how is it healthcare if the only reasons are economic ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:54 PM
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I hope you never hurt anyone with that assumption
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 09:46 PM
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The vast majority of abortions don't happen to save lives. Killing an unborn child to have more resources for older children isn't much different than committing infanticide for the same purpose to me. If we don't ever accept the latter as a solution, why would we accept the former?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:40 AM
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Please rethink what you just said
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 11:24 PM
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Aren't you scared of violence from other men? Who has agreed to protect you from them?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 02:26 PM
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Well, saying that killing unborn children helps families is... a choice
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 02:24 PM
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It seems like in your worldview, the only way to win is to just never date men as a woman. Whenever a woman chooses to date a man, she risks getting abused. At that point, it is a theoretical risk too in most cases. And the man is single before she dates him. The fact that women still take that risk means they aren't very scared of theoretical violence. They choose some single men and reject others. If they chose other men, the former group would become the unselected men and you could apply the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 10:40 PM
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That sounds quite reductionist. Even though having a family is important to most people, it doesn't mean it's the main purpose and everything else is a cope. Education is needed to raise children better than our ancestors did. The very act of raising children isn't focused only on them being able to pass on their genes in the future. There are more things to like than that
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:26 AM
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But why not wait a bit longer after a rejection? Asking every day and always getting a no is not pleasant for the party that refuses. It feels coercive, as if only the goal is important. Why not wait longer than a day to initiate again?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:44 AM
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That's very sad. Do you want to leave him? Do you have external support that would make leaving safer?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:21 PM
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It's not gay to accept someone's no. You're not supposed to put up resistance to someone's no. Being pestered every day makes people feel unsafe too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:02 PM
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I believe the point is more compassion than judgement
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:04 PM
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If that were the case, I think it'd be much better not to love enough. No relationship is worth sacrificing everything
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:45 PM
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It's not out of love. Leaving is often the most dangerous time and many murders happen at that stage
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:34 PM
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I agree with you to an extend. I think there's a disconnect here and both sides mean something completely different. The, let's say, feminist side is very much aware that the danger is real and the slogans are meant to stop the blaming of victims. It's not supposed to discourage risk avoidance but rather shift the focus to perpetrators as the guilty party. It's about systemic changes. At the same time, some people might overcorrect and be offended at the notion that women should take precautions…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:05 PM
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It's not a need. It's also hard to verify whether someone actually does it willingly amd not due to economic pressure or worse. In most cases, it's not some noble sacrifice but desperation which makes these people more vulnerable than their clients
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 12:46 AM
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Modern societies are built on injustice and I believe we have a moral obligation to avoid slave labour as much as we can. It's not always possible while living a regular life. At the same time, prostitution is not a need and it's much more direct. It would be more like personally supervising slave labour instead of just buying from regular shops, it's very direct harm against particular people. It's a step above the injustice we're all guilty of
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 09:18 PM
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I think it does, because your original comment sounds judgemental. Or even worse, prescriptive
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:50 PM
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Have you considered that such fantasies are a result of trauma?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:23 PM
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Having intercourse with someone who doesn't want it and only does it for money doesn't speak well of one's character
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:48 PM
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How do you explain the existence of conventionally unattractive people who don't obsess over it and find other ways in life?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:27 PM
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Nobody has to exploit people sexually. Framing johns as bigger victims than people forced into prostitution by economic conditions is dishonest. It is clearly worse to be in the latter position
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:24 PM
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Why does romantic rejection equal hate?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:21 PM
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The idea is that people don't always have a choice in what risks they take. There are places where public transport doesn't exist and it's impossible to have a job without a car. Some people lack funds to leave unsafe environments. Avoiding risks at all cost could result in not getting good education, refusing great job opportunities and more suffering in the future. It's always a trade off. You could make a point that socializing in person is not necessary nowadays, but bad mental states stemmi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 09:14 PM
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If someone doesn't want to have children, genetic line as a sole motivation to have them isn't good enough
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 12:42 AM
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From the first part of your reply, I've concluded there's no point in continuing this conversation. We have fundamentally different understanding of morality. I just hope you'll never be in a position where you can hurt other people
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 01:37 AM
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Do you believe there is such a thing as exploiting someone's existing circumstances, ever? What if you were the one who caused the other person to be poor, to then offer a clearly uneven exchange?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 10:43 PM
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Your position here is privileged though. You have a higher standard of living with or without her. What would you think of someone who agrees to help someone financially in a terrible situation exchange for their kidney? And the other side agrees because they fear homelessness. It's true they could have not helped at all, but isn't that exploitation?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 01:06 AM
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Why wouldn't you help her without expecting unwanted intercourse?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 09:52 PM
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Is an office job the same as sexual exploitation? Would you let someone choose for you which you would do and be indifferent to the outcome?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 09:51 PM
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What do you think about couples who can have biological children choosing to also adopt?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 12:23 AM
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That's some degrading language for people who in most cases are victims of sexual exploitation. Why would a decent woman want to date someone who degrades them?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 12:12 AM
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You listed things that are commonly associated with racial segregation. Not wanting to date someone is not oppression. And it's completely normal that the standards are higher than for acquaintances. Attraction and similar life goals are much more important here. While it's morally bad if someone's preferences are rooted in racism. But not all preferences are rooted in hate. It's a matter of taste. Rejecting someone as a lover or a friend is not oppression. And in most cases, it's not evil. Even…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:08 PM
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Why are you comparing dating to racism?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 03:01 PM
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What consequences will you face?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 10:49 PM
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Aren't men guilty of massive consumerism too?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 10:38 AM
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What are you going to do? If you're thinking about harming yourself, please call someone and try to get professional help.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 10:29 AM
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I don't understand the last part... Shouldn't forgiveness be equal in both cases?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 02:13 PM
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But what if welfare doesn't work as efficiently? Why should a child have it harder if it's known without a doubt who the absent parent is? I support welfare in general, but in this case, I don't see a problem with child support. I don't think it would be good for society if we made it even easier to be deadbeats or make people choose adoption when the only issue is money. No, not killing your child is not irresponsible. Adoption is traumatic, but might be the best option. You wouldn't say the sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 03:47 PM
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I'm against killing children, so I can't speak for people who are in favor of it. That being said, why is it barbarous to force a parent to pay child support, but not to force every taxpayer to do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:42 PM
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Why else would you consider sex work something unfortunate?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 07:59 PM
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You're basically saying that just because one evil that shouldn't exist is accepted, another evil should be as well
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 07:16 PM
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I don't think it works quite like you think it does. Treating women badly and sexual exploitation don't really make men less aggressive and hateful.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 07:05 PM
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Abortion is different because it involves killing your child. It can't really be compared to things that harm mostly the person doing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 06:43 PM
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I'd say it depends. In many cases, our emotional motivation alligns with our convictions. But in some, it's more about our passions and weaknesses, and trying to rationalize why we don't have to stop doing something, even though deep down we feel it's wrong. But we so badly want to stay in the headspace where it isn't so we can't continue doing it without guilt. I believe that is the case with prostitution, watching porn etc. Some say they don't care about these people, but I've also seen some w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 10:44 PM
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I see, thanks. I'm not naive enough to think everyone will eventually agree with me. It's more that I doubt moral honesty of many people who claim to have no problems with it or minimize the truth about what really happens in this practice. It seems like they have strong emotional motivation to think what they think, rather than a well thought out worldview. And if I think they're in denial, I just hope to at least get them thinking, shame them so that they know their beliefs won't go unquestion…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:50 PM
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But what is your reasoning for disagreeing with me on this specific issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:40 PM
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I actually want factory farming to eventually be abolished. As for prostitution, I don't want to persecute prostitutes, just people who organize the industry and pimp them out. I don't want to legally persecute "johns" either. I'm just saying that's something that shouldn't exist and is immoral. Unlike other dangerous jobs, it only destroys and everything else can function without it. I think the existence of dangerous physical jobs is tragic and I hate the fact that poverty leads people to choo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:38 PM
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I lean towards objective morality being true. But even if it's subjective, some things are still considered worse than others. And in this particular case, most people feel there is something deeply wrong with sexual exploitation. We feel disgust towards those who use another person's vulnerable position, especially in the sexual realm. However, being sexless has no oppressor, it's just a tough situation to deal with. I was hoping my question would shift your perspective on what is actually wors…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 08:15 PM
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I don't think it's fascinating, I think it's something the majority of people feel in their conscience, even more so if they're more likely to become victims. Humanity knows sexual abuse is evil, so we created laws againt it even inside marriages, we decided we don't want forced marriages or marriages borne out of economic necessity. I don't want to be insenstitive, but what would you two rather be: free and involuntarily sexless with a regular job, or forced prostitutes for MEN?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 07:41 PM
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How is your life outside the romantic aspect, if you don't mind me asking?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 11:20 PM
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It's still not on the same level. Not being exploited is many magnitudes more important than being sexless. Nobody's freedom is limited by the fact they can't find willing partners, while exploitation directly limits freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:33 PM
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Not necessarily, actually. There is data to suggest it actually creates more human trafficking victims, even in developed countries
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:30 PM
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Well, I'm against abortion and a vegetarian, but that's for different reasons. For animals, I value suffering and consciousness the most. But I believe human life is sacred and should be treated as such, regardless of what's true in the spiritual sense. Your view discriminates against already existing human persons who are on their way to develop consciousness and that's unacceptable. Many people in developed countries disagree with science on various thing, some even considering fetuses not ali…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 10:55 AM
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In a sense, they do. But being free and sexless is nowhere near the real harm of being exploited.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:12 PM
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Except prostitution is not like any other job. It's not only dangerous, but also destructive for everyone and unnecessary
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:11 PM
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I'm curious. If it is murder, why don't you want to prosecute women? If someone commits infanticide or kills an older person, they are tried and mitigating circumstances (like abuse, coercion, bad mental state) are included, but they don't just get away with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:33 PM
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The idea is horrible and makes little sense. Who and why do you think would volunteer to be a state prostitute? How would you make sure it's not a choice made because of desperation / poverty / a bad mental state? What if there weren't enough volunteers to meet the demand? Would they be forced to work more for the same pay, or would there just be longer queques?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:30 PM
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Needing something to live and function. If someone cannot be happy without sex, it still doesn't justify exploitation
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 02:28 PM
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I see. Wouldn't you feel better about yourself if you tried at least a bit? Living against one's values is painful. Even if it feels stable at the moment, there might come a time when you'll really regret all those years of not trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 10:03 PM
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There's no such thing as absolutely needing sex and it never justifies exploitation of women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 02:44 PM
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Why? Would you mind if I asked you whether it's always been that way? Were you raised to take that position in life or did you lose compassion somewhere along the way?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 02:36 PM
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And you're fully okay with it? Or are you trying to buy from better sources if possible, or using your good quality of life to do more good in the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 11:21 AM
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So your position is that infanticide was morally right then? I don't agree with you in that case, but even then, the majority of abortions in Western countries don't happen because starvation is a real risk. How low are you willing to put the bar for killing children and why can't infanticide be practiced today for cases of cryptic pregnancies or sudden poverty/disability after birth?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 10:21 PM
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Your view on abortions could just as easily justify infanticide
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 12:32 PM
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I'm a bit confused here. Are you trying to say direct prostitution shouldn't exist because OF exists?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 05:49 PM
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Would you do this "job" if there was enough demand for it? There are many dangerous but necessary jobs, this one only hurts with no good outcome. It's connected to sexual trauma in a way other professions aren't. It's disproportionally people who don't want to do this, but don't have many other options. Only to be hurt by choices that don't have to be made. Nobody needs this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 09:44 AM
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These are not equal. A more equal comparison would be feeding adult men who became disabled or otherwise unable to work. And that kind of welfare should exist. Prostitution is exploitation to which nobody is entitled to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:27 PM
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Western governments aren't too poor to give everyone good quality of life. They just choose not to because of greed and corruption. You seem to be implying that caring for disabled people will lead to more people dying. That is just not the case. If a nation doesn't recognize human rights or empathy, it'll only care about people to the extend it leads to economic growth. And that famously doesn't mean the best quality of life possible. People can be sick, overworked and poor, as long as they're …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 08:10 AM
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No. You can't withdraw consent after the fact, only during
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 09:34 PM
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But it's wrong in the opposite direction. Women shouldn't assume either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 09:31 PM
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If they are cared by their loved ones, isn't it still "unfair" in this perspective? Family members might feel obligated even if they haven't been the best people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 12:50 PM
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I think your view has many problems, including that everyone, even the hardest working person, can be robbed of their savings or become disabled young. You can contribute as much as possible and still end up with nothing. Thus, lack of safety nets means less happiness even to those who try their hardest. Chinese government famously doesn't recognize human rights. They persecute religious minorities, kill prisoners for their organs, enforce censorship, invigilate citizens to a crazy degree. There…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 12:48 PM
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I don't think it's just for men though. Women can perpetrate harmful misconceptions about SA or believe them when they experience something like this. Some men can not be fully aware of consequences their friends' choices have. This education is meant to let everyone know how serious it is and how to react. It's better to try that than nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 12:37 PM
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But what about people who are unable to work due to disabilities? Or about people in who experience abuse? Isn't the notion of human rights and "deserving" better helpful here?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 10:08 PM
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These messages aren't only meant for misogynists and rapists. They're also meant for people for whom unacceptable behaviours might have been normalized, portrayed as common and not as bad. Their opinion can be changed when they learn how important boundaries are
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 09:56 PM
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A single woman is not responsible for what all women do. It's like if a woman said "I will be misandrist and hate on all men and if you want me to stop, then stop all crimes committed by men". Believing that someone's boundaries are true is basic decency. Why would you ever want to violate someone in uncertainty? Relationship success is not worth hurting people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 02:12 PM
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A single woman is not responsible for what all women do. It's like if a woman said "I will be misandrist and hate on all men and if you want me to stop, then stop all crimes committed by men". Believing that someone's boundaries are true is basic decency. Why would you ever want to violate someone in uncertainty? Relationship success is not worth hurting people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 02:11 PM
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It sounds like you want women to pair up due to economic pressure
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 02:26 PM
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Kids with single parents would actually need more support, not less.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 02:14 PM
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How long is a man supposed to pretend in this scenario?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 02:07 PM
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I'm not American, but many things said here are ridiculous or oversimplified. This sub is not a sociological study. It's not representative of whole populations.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 02:06 PM
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So you believe guilt and the sense of morality are not natural? Would you be able to truly live at peace at the expense of extreme suffering of many strangers?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 02:03 PM
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For me, the most confusing aspect is seemingly not caring about the quality of relationships. Like, do they imagine most loving husbands just neg their wives and mistreat them until death? Some men here seem to resent attractive men who mistreat their partners and women who allow for this mistreatment while also being jealous of these attractive men that they don't have to try hard to keep a woman. Why would anyone want a relationship like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 02:01 PM
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Are you not concerned about children you might create in an unstable situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 01:54 PM
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Direct threats of harm are an easy example. Constant pestering, not letting someone leave, not letting someone sleep. It's intentional. It can be more covert in some cases, but it's harder to persecute anyone then. And a woman's word is not enough proof to put anyone on prison, so you don't have to fear that. I don't trust people who claim they can't tell if the other person isn't enthusiastic and is just placating them. If someone has a hard time with that, they shouldn't be sexually active in …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 09:55 PM
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No it is not. If they consented out of their own free will and then regret it after the fact, it was npt rape. If they were coerced, that consent was not valid
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 07:48 AM
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Have you considered that maybe that's just your trait that not everyone shares? You feel safer being fully dependant (ultimately also on the other person's boss), many men and women find independence way safer and for a good reason
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 12:57 AM
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If you don't mind me asking, what is your idea of a good relationship? Because to me, it's clear that you can't have true intimacy with someone you treat badly, be it romantic, platonic or familial. Even if the other person is too attached to leave, it doesn't correlate with overall happiness and emotional health. It doesn't seem like a real success to me. There's nothing to be jealous of or aspire to here. You can become more attractive but also stay kind and moral. I can't imagine raising a fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 05:08 PM
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How common do you believe all these actions are? I don't doubt women who start relationships mostly due to economic pressure exist, but how common is it nowadays?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 05:02 PM
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It is not my philosophy, nor how the majority of people in Western countries think. Why would most women want other women and children to suffer because of losing income when the reason is not very serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 05:00 PM
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Why would you not care about direct suffering your unnecessary choices cause? It's not possible to live without a phone in modern societies, but living without prostitution is perfectly fine
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:58 PM
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How do they collectively abuse men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 01:13 PM
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You seem to only focus on existence and longevity of relationships, but not on their quality. Is a man supposed to just never be nice to his partner? Doesn't lack of hygiene dissolve attraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 01:11 PM
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It's bad that he's rude, but your solution is way more despicable. It's not an offense anyone should be homeless for. He may have other innocent people relying on his income too
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 12:50 PM
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Nobody has to see escorts and it's never morally justified to exploit people in that way. You never know what their situation is
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 05:33 PM
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I agree with most of your comment, but not the porn part. I think it's a completely valid boundary. Even more so when you consider the human trafficking problem. I'd personally never date someone who watches porn and doesn't want to stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 11:01 AM
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Do you think it was worth it? Would you try the same strategy again?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:26 AM
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Do you believe a brain starts to function only after 34 views? Where did you get this information from?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 06:28 PM
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I don't know, I don't find hating women attractive at all
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 06:25 PM
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Why is it not a person? Are newborns born earlier also not persons?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 12:17 PM
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If you were completely sure it's a person from the beginning or if the fetus was as developed as after 34 weeks from the beginning, would it change your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 11:44 AM
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Where do you get your philosophy from? Because it doesn't make much sense to me. What if the woman wants the child dead instead of delivering them alive after 34 weeks? Not saving the child outside is barbaric and has nothing to do with the woman"s body. If you don't see this as barbaric, I don't know what possible reasoning you could give for that. It can't be bodily autonomy
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 11:08 AM
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Why do you think anti abortion states don't respect the life of the mother exception?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 10:53 AM
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I don't think many "ladies" would be impressed by men who don't respect other women
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 10:31 AM
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Do you believe a fetus is not a human person literally until birth? Are you for abortions at any point, or just a c-section/early delivery at will? Are you for saving the child outside if they survive a failed abortion?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 08:29 PM
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I see. Why do you think we don't care about women? Do you support elective abortions at every stage, till the due date, or do you believe in limitations?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:34 PM
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I think that's exactly the problem. You've seen one perspective and can't imagine a different one, but you're still curious about it. The prolife sub allows people to make posts with a flaire "Questions for pro lifers". There, you can ask people what they think and why they're pro life or what changed their mind. I have always been pro life because it was clear to me that killing unborn people is of similar weight as killing born people. You could say that my and my friend's lives would be easie…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 01:32 PM
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I think you're confusing pro life people around the world with American republicans. In Europe, most conservatives aren't against public healthcare or welfare. Where I'm from, abortion is heavily restricted and we have both, no death penalty, owning a gun is rare and requires passing psychological tests. I believe it's possible to be against abortion for wrong reasons, just as with other beliefs. If you dig enough, eg. on the sub I mentioned earlier, you'll see many people who used to be pro cho…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 12:28 PM
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I don't use this expression much. I'm not responsible for all people who are against abortion. I don't paint either side with the same brush. I assume that's because other kinds of killing innocent people are already illegal. It's saving people from murder, to be exact. It's different from saving people who are already dying. If you visit the prolife sub, you'll see that it contains people of many religions and political beliefs. Most of them do support welfare and safety nets. Most of them do c…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 09:06 PM
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I think this argument is not genuine. You wouldn't say that to someone who is against infanticide or against killing any other group of people you don't support killing. We can be against murder before we're able to save all people who are already dying. Otherwise, all kinda of murder would have to stay legal
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 02:16 PM
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Not saving someone who is already dying is different than directly killing someone
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 02:12 PM
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Do you believe women who are against abortion should be allowed to express their opinions on it and vote accordingly? Or should it be set that nobody can criminalize it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 03:32 PM
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Your comment implies objectification and ulterior motives. The man lets a woman believe he still wants a long term relationship. Instead of breaking up, he wants to use her body as much as he can for his own pleasure and only then discard her.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 08:33 PM
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Yes. But when it comes to surgeries, I think it's morally wrong to lie to your partner that your looks are natural. And it's especially immoral if you know they wouldn't sleep with you if you didn't hide the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 03:59 PM
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I'm glad you're honest. Even if it costs you, would you actually feel good in a relationship based on lies? Wouldn't it haunt you that the other person is only with you because you lied? Or maybe she'd accept the truth anyway but you'll never know?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 03:57 PM
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Do you regret using women sexually?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 03:51 PM
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You say "we" as in, you do it too?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 01:34 PM
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Do you believe in free will? Do you believe being dishonest about important things to avoid loneliness is morally justified?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 01:32 PM
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I'm not saying that I'm 100% sure they're objective. But in my view, objective morality would include everyone and wouldn't be relative to cultures. It doesn't make sense to me that the same abuse of women would be more or less evil depending on the country. Military invasions are a complicated topic, but I support organizations that save victims from their oppression and see it as much more important than cultural values.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 03:40 PM
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How so? It's a well known fact that many perform abortions specifically because they want their child dead, not just to not be pregnant. Early delivery is not the only way, there is medication that starves the fetus, dismembering, poisons. And saving a fetus that survived is not mandatory everywhere. What is your view on that? Do you support any limits for abortion or elective early delivery?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 03:33 PM
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Nobody is entitled to sexual exploitation of others, no matter their life circumstances. It's not fair to expect people to enter relationships they don't want just so their potential partners don't abuse women. How would this be healthy for anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 03:29 PM
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Honestly, I don't buy this argument. A vision of such a world would make me even less likely to want to have children because they'd experience having less rights. If everyone in the West got mobilized to raise bigger families, then maybe it'd make sense. But as it is, the children of those who will might have it harder. I don't think such a shift is unavoidable though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 05:44 AM
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Morality and human rights are not always perceived as objective, but I would argue treating them as such is better for societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 05:41 AM
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Killing your children is not a human right though
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 05:38 AM
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It is true that many women follow unhealthy patterns, often due to their unphringing. Many have very low self-esteem and are easy to manipulate into believing they don't deserve better or won't find anyone better while being single seems scary. That cycle can be broken with the right support. But you should also know that most men who commit intimate partner violence don't advertise themselves as such. A book "Why does he do that" by Lundy Bancroft is a good source on this, as he has experience …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 02:51 PM
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People are allowed to not want to date someone based on any criteria they want
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 05:00 PM
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Well, I think this position lacks nuance and complexity. Even in a determinist framework, not everyone has the same goals and not everyone is so fixated on romantic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 04:23 PM
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I don't agree with you on that. But if that were true, it'd mean women have no free will either. So it's also just their nature to complain and "not realize" their advantages
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 03:48 PM
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Why not just be single? I don't know how I'd act if I could die of starvation, but otherwise how is it worth it if in your view almost all relationships are like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 12:09 PM
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I don't think it's the worst reason, but I believe it'd be better if everyone put in more effort. I understand it might be harder when you feel society doesn't care about you
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:44 PM
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Forced marriages in the West as a norm
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:41 PM
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But can't everyone choose to do just the minimum for any reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 05:46 PM
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It's not that it can't be done, just that harm resulting from it is incomperable to losses related to taxasion
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 05:45 PM
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Don't you think treating women horribly would backfire at some point? I believe healthy happy societies with large families can exist. But if horrible abuse were the only way, I'd much rather humanity died out because it's unjust. I see no good reason to place our survival above treating already existing people with dignity. Some lines shouldn't be crossed even if the goal is good. I hope you agree with me on that
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 05:37 PM
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Ok, that's it. I don't feel like engaging with you anymore because it's clear you won't change your mind right now. I just hope you will change your outlook in the future. As for the hormones, I don't think anything's wrong, I just like being single. Why would I change something that makes my life easier?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 08:55 PM
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I would have compassion for you if you were forced into prostitution. I also have compassion for men who can't find romantic partners. When it comes to not being able to have sex, I struggle with compassion towards both genders, as it's a non-issue for me, but I recognize it's important for others. I have compassion for people who experience terrible things, even if they have misogynistic views due to their culture. I wouldn't mock anyone for being a virgin, but I also don't think people who wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:12 PM
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I'm not a socialist and I think your view of world is a bit sociopathic. You seem to have no compassion for people with great adversity in their lives and see no problem with treating them as a means to an end. Having sex with a human trafficking victim is rape whether you want it or not. Sincerely, I believe you need mental health. It's not normal to tie your life's worth to sex and want to obtain it by any means.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:45 AM
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I'm not sure you hear yourself properly on your second point. You acknowledge human traficking is a huge problem (dare I say, a feature, not a bug), yet say prostitutes are not victims at all? How would a client NOT be culpable for taking such a well-known risk? If it eases your mind in any way, I want to stay single and celibate till death. But I wouldn't have to to tell people to not exploit others sexually. I don't understand why you think I'm oppressing you by my morality, as if I'm a differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 09:34 AM
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Do you believe virgin men are bigger victims than prostitutes who are potentially trafficked and in most cases wouldn't do it out of their own free will? Do you actually believe the pain of being a virgin justifies contributing to extreme suffering? Not having something is not an excuse to partake in extreme exploitation. It's not the same as stealing food you mentioned in another comment. It's great evil and deserves social consequences. Women are right to not want to date people who do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 10:08 PM
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Of course it's not fair if the man is truly innocent. But the prevalence of rape makes women cautious. I don't want to date anyone but if I did, I would consider it a red flag. I can't say if I'd always break up, but I'd definetely want to know more both from him and people in his life. Better safe than sorry etc. I feel like women in general fear male violence much more than men fear false accusations. But as I said, everyone is free to avoid any risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 05:10 PM
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I don't think it's the same level of bad. But if someone has very strong feelings about it, they can break up in each scenario. If a woman says she's been raped, it doesn't necessarily mean pointing out the perpetrator, especially if it's someone her partner doesn't know at all. What would she gain by saying she was raped if she weren't?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 12:26 PM
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So how do you propose we handle it? A man can break up for any reason, even if it's because the woman opened up to him about her assault. The reason it's treated differently is the probability- you're more likely to be SA'd than to be falsely accused. But if someone wants to avoid any chance of being falsely accused, they have a right to do it and not take any risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 10:05 PM
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I understand what you mean but being raped and being falsely accused are not equal. And I believe caution is justified. If a woman said she's been falsely accused, I would recommend caution too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 09:52 PM
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What do you consider more important- satisfying lust or safety and wellbeing?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 05:10 PM
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So you want to solve the problem of men objectifying women with opening another way for them to objectify women? Why not change the society so that it's easier for women to avoid this manipulation and people who use relationships just for sex are criticized more?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 03:16 PM
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I guess that makes sense. I'm not looking for a significant other but if I were, I'd much rather be his first relationship than learn he used to date girls he didn't really want as a desperate attempt to gain relationship experience. Only the latter is a concrete proof of a moral flaw. Unless the girls knew about it and had the same mentality but that's also weird. I'm not exactly desired by anyone either, so I wouldn't judge a potential boyfriend just for that if everything about him seemed ok.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 03:07 PM
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Do you only endanger yourself in that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 10:01 AM
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How would you feel if you learned that your last relationship was mostly the result of the other person's desperation because they needed experience to minimize the risk of being single till death?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 10:59 PM
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Can you access any mental health support? I think it's worthwile to try if you haven't yet. Things can get better, still.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 10:49 PM
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Yes. Their desires are less important than safety and wellbeing of women who are to be exploited by sex work. You just cannot compare these two sides because at the end of the say, these men are free don't sell their bodies. What do you mean by "Not every man can do that"? Every normal person should control themselves if that's their only option. If someone can't function normally without sex, they need professional help or possibly need to be isolated so they don't hurt anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 01:50 PM
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Do you assume sex work has no negative side effects on people who provide it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 01:40 PM
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Sex is not a need. You don't deserve to harm other people in order to be happy. Even if perfectly ethical devices are not available, there's still a difference between buying things you need vs directly harming someone. While it's deplorable that many people don't care about child labour when shopping for clothes or coffee, they can easily isolate themselves from the truth and wouldn't handle it if they had to see the victims directly. While ordinary people can easily make unethcial purchases, d…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 01:22 PM
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I think your point about damage to mental health proves using sex work as a client is a much graver evil than offering it and therefore speaks much worse of characters of people who do the former
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 01:15 PM
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Others have made good points regarding why they consider purchasibg sex a red flag / immoral. To that, I'd like to question your notion that dishonestly suggests men in your situation have only two choices- use women for money or use women for free by manipulating them. That's not true and you know it. The harm you're participating in is not proportional to your low motivation and I think, deep down you know why modern people don't brush it off as nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 01:06 PM
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Anyone can judge but it's not comparable. Being promiscuous for free requires genuine consent, prostitution substitutes it with money. Human trafficking is still a real issue, along with the fact that poor and marginalized people are more likely to do that from the lack of options. It's not like everyone goes above and beyond to make sure their escort is there because she genuinely wants to do this and is 100% free to take up other jobs but prefers not to?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 12:57 PM
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How would you start a relationship then?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 02:56 PM
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So what do you consider the best strategy to get a partner? How would this relationship look like if it didn't start with kindness?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 02:25 PM
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But you support people going to prison or facing other legal consequences for some choices amd not others, as you've specified. I assume you think people who commit infanticide should face legal consequences? If so, then why not in cases of abortions?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 12:21 AM
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Forgiveness doesn't have to mean everything is legal, that would actually lead to grave harm of many people. I think mercy and compassion are better words here in general because it's not exactly our place to forgive if we had nothing to do with a victim of a given act. I'm really curious what else you hold to similar standards because your position is unique. Where do you draw the line in abortion? Why do you draw the line on abortion and not infanticide or other similar kinds of murder? What m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 11:54 PM
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Forgiveness doesn't have to equal everything being legal. If you don't mind me asking- what are other things you apply the same rulez aside from the obvious ones? You seem to have a very unique and very liberal view on legality amd freedom, so I assume you have some other less popular opinions in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 11:38 PM
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Why? What makes freedom to choose abortion specifically so important to you when you recognize it's murder?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 10:12 AM
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Do you believe the government has a right to put people in prisons? Or otherwise prevent them from seriously harming others? I think I get what you mean but this system seems very flawed to me. If people have unlimited freedom to act, this should also include freedom to force our morals upon others and freedom to prevent them from doing what we don't accept. By harming someone, they are also limiting their freedom. This system leads to a tyranny of the strong and imposes the kind of morality whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 11:57 PM
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That's interesting. Couldn't this be applied to basically any crime though? I assume you support many forms of violence staying illegal. What makes abortion different from them? Does it seem like it has no social cost? Because then, a secret infanticide could work very similarly. Or is it maybe because it's more controversial and the number of regular people supporting it makes it seem more acceptable and reasonable?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 10:00 PM
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As someone who believes abortion should be illegal for non-religious reasons, I'm interested in hearing your views, if you don't mind. Why do you believe in a right to abortion? Do you see it as something evil but not evil enough to be outlawed? Or do you see no abortion as something binding only for religious people, like fasts and going to church?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 02:13 PM
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It is. There's no way around the fact you're killing an already existing person with distinct human DNA.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 02:08 PM
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The alternative is killing them, so yes, it's morally better that they live than be killed. We don't expect parents to kill their children after tragic events when they're already born. Why not offer all the support we can as a society instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 02:05 PM
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Maybe but the correct thing to do in the workplace is to not harrass anyone
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 06:59 PM
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I understood the comment above to claim that women dressing provocatively puts men at risk of being charged for sexual harrassment. Which shouldn't happen if they aren't doing anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 06:22 PM
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Are you suggesting men are victims if they harrass a woman because of her clothing? I could understand it if your point was about professionalism and not making men uncomfortable but the way you worded it is unfortunate
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 03:00 PM
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I don't think you should do that. You can hurt yourself that way. Have you considered other options?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 09:08 PM
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I'm from Europe. Here, we have free healthcare and welfare, and this issue is not very popular. I'd support free lunch programs for people who can't afford food for their children. Why would you expect me not to?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 07:28 PM
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I didn't expect you to say that, honestly, but I admire your consistency. I don't think it was the right thing to do but I understand why someone might support it in such extreme circumstances. Nowadays, the majority of abortions, especially in the West, don't happen because someone would die of starvation otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 11:30 PM
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No, killing children so they don't suffer more in the future is not a good thing, it's tragic.a good thing would be if unwanted pregnancies didn't happen/nobody had bad living conditions. While I can understand your antanatalist sentiments, killing already existing people shouldn't be celebrated
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 01:24 AM
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If someone is pushy and disrespectful of another's boundaries, what they're doing is wrong regardless of how attractive they are. Nobody has a right to do it even if gets tolerated for whatever reason
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 11:58 AM
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Even if these studies are credible, having such fantasies can often stem from being sexually abused in the past. Sexually harrassing anyon is evil no matter what fantasies they have and doesn't mean they want to experience it in real life. Harrassment is harrassment because it's not wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 11:55 AM
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I'm against ablrtions so naturally, I'm against men coercing women into abortions and behaving irresponsibly. I believe any parent who isn't raising the child while the other one is should pay child support (unless it's a child from rape, then the victim shouldn't be forced to pay). Sentience is not something one can measure arbitrarily. Some people claim chidren reach consciousness only some time after being born and it doesn't make sense to me to differentiate like that. If we're not sure, err…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 05:25 PM
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Abortion kills a human being. You may have different moral views about it but objectively, that's what happens in an elective abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 11:51 AM
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I'd encourage you to read more on fetal development. It is a human being from conception, there's no way around it. Whether you treat it as deserving of life is more of a philosophical issue but to me, ot only makes sense that abortion is immoral at every stage of pregnancy, even if it doesn't look equally cruel
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 11:49 AM
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Yes. That's why I'm against abortion and against not paying child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 11:47 AM
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I'm not a feminist in a modern understanding of the word. Studies show two- parent households are the best for children. It doesn't mean people should be forced to marry if they have a child together, that would be wrong. But stable loving families are very important, a divorce can be traumatic to a similar extend as death of one parent in some cases. People shouldn't start families if they're not really committed to making it work. Biological parents should be responsible for their children and…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 09:31 PM
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I'm against abortion and believe it should be illegal. But the difference is that dead children don't need money, while living children do
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 09:15 PM
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Scientifically speaking, it's a human being from cenception. But even if you don't believe it, this child couldn't be born if a man didn't sleep with a woman. It doesn't make sense to say he's only responsible for the beginning of this process and not for the child's whole existence. He's equally responsible regardless of abortion being accesible or not because he could have chosen not to have sex (unless it was coercion or SA - then he shouldn't be forced to pay child support). Punishing women …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 08:52 PM
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When does a fetus become a baby in your view?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 08:32 PM
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Ideally, they should. But killing someone so they don't have a hard life is morally unjustifiable
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 08:28 PM
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SA victims should not be forced to pay child suport, that I agree with. Being lied about plans to abort- no. Any man should know a woman can change her mind about it and she doesn't owe it to anyone to kill her child. It was still a free decision of both parties to engage in sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 08:22 PM
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Both parents should be, as they both created the child. If they struggle to support them, it's better if they receive outside help from taxes than just kill them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 08:18 PM
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So you're saying someone's decision to get married means they never loved the other person? What about religious people for whom marriage is a must? Or does this point only apply to secular people? Are there no cases of marriage being a mature decision from your point of view? Staying without any obligations could mean more in an abstract sense to some, to others it would signal less commitment and a higher probability of the other person leaving. I guess it depends on what someone's intentions …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 04:19 PM
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Legal consequences don't make love automatically disappear. It's a bit like saying that if someone believes in good and bad afterlife, they can't be moral because the afterlife must be their only motivation when making decisions. If someone doesn't leave or cheat solely because of legal consequences, there's a bigger problem between them and their spouse. On the other hand, unmarried people can be in relationships for opportunistic reasons or feel too guilty to leave because of their SO's diffic…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 12:38 PM
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So you'd rather be legally tied to the other person through children than through marriage? Do you not consider raising children a greater responsibility than a modern marriage? It seems like in your view of the world, almost nobody has predispositions to raise a family in a stable environment and everyone would be better off just dating casually, hoping no unplanned pregnancies happen in the process. It doesn't really match with what most people want and are fit to do. Many people want some sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 12:24 PM
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So your expectation is that spouses should force themselves to be intimate when they don't want anytime the other spouse wants them to? Because that sounds horrible and I don't understand wanting to be in a relationship like that. It can cause sexual aversion and other psychological problems. If that were a social norm, a lot of people would be deterred from the concept of marriage even more or seek for partners who don't hold this view. Sex isn't supposed to be just for men either, it isn't sup…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 03:37 PM
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I don't understand this point of view. Would you rather women treated dating like charity and date people they don't want just so they don't miss out?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 10:06 AM
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I know family men who really seem to be content with their lives. My own father is one. I've never heard or seen any sign of him regretting the decision to have a family nor any interest in cheating. Absolutely none. He's dedicated to his family, works hard. Similarly, my grandfathers, uncles etc. No infidelity in my closest family. That's something I can tell you from my experience. I'm not in their heads, of course, but from the outside everything is stable. I'm not saying single guys I know d…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:29 PM
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Well, there are many men in my life who don't seem to operate like this. I know men who believe in waiting for marriage for religious reasons or are married. They all seem to be normal, functioning people who aren't sex-crazed. There are men who stay with wives who can't have intercourse due to medical or other reasons. There are men who choose to be celibate and find fulfillment in that. It's really possible to not be that fixated on this aspect and just live, even if one doesn't have everythin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:27 PM
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I truly don't mean to offend you, but it seems like you need psychological help. It's not normal to think like this and assume all men work like this. And I believe getting into a relationship on that premise would only hurt your partner. Please, seek professional help
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 06:38 PM
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I'm really sorry you feel so much pain. Have you tried reaching out for mental healthcare of any kind? Because trust me, there are lots of people who aren't really wanted romantically yet they don't suffer like this. You seem to have deeper problems that, when treated, will make your life better. I'm not saying you won't crave a relationship, but you don't have to be in so much pain either
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:35 PM
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