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What's her stance on abortion? That's a good point, since it points out the hypocrisy of believing in bodily agency for one group whilst publicly decrying the bodily autonomy of others. In other words, rights for me, not for you. She should be anti-abortion. If she isn't, she's a hypocrite.
/r/MensRights09/06/21 03:37 AM
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The idea of pain in that area was thought to psychologically deter anyone from doing so, but of course, infants never remember undergoing one so they can't make any connection or at least most of them can't. But it doesn't prevent anything, other than just inflicting pain on a helpless child - which amounts to criminal assault in just about any other context, which is why it needs to be banned right now.
/r/MensRights01/06/21 03:00 AM
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Yeah, saw the UN troops with guns pointed at the parents' heads, forcing them to circumcise their kid. Now I believe the post. Proof? Evidence? Assertions without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
/r/MensRights07/12/20 06:39 AM
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Yup.
/r/MensRights07/12/20 06:16 AM
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They may have been misled, but they're not evil. They just need to hear the evidence and then they'd probably change their minds.
/r/MensRights07/12/20 06:04 AM
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Yep. I'd walk on her. First, to give her one final chance I'd ask her opinion on abortion, who wants to bet that she'd say she's pro-choice, so here's what I'd do if that were the case - I'd remind her that her son has the right to choose what happens to his dick too, and that it's not her dick so it's not her choice.
/r/MensRights07/12/20 06:02 AM
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Okay, if it were my girlfriend I'd ask her if she has a pro-choice stance on abortion, then tell her that her son's body is not hers to mutilate because it's his body and not hers. That's what I'd do, and if that didn't work, I'd show her the door, no qualms about it.
/r/MensRights07/12/20 06:00 AM
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God, WTF is with the circumcision rates going UP between 2005 and 2010? Especially in the West. That's so bizarre!
/r/MensRights06/11/20 08:08 AM
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Who knows? Circumcision is big business. So is abortion. So perhaps that's the reason the medical establishment defends both practices, even though they contradict each other when it comes to the "my body my right" principles. Give with one hand, steal with the other. Or, depending on your view, steal with both hands...
/r/MensRights06/11/20 06:52 AM
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https://www.columbian.com/news/2019/aug/24/jewish-faith-leads-doctor-to-perform-operations/ Like this one...but it has nothing to do with religion. If this woman were an atheist I'd still have no respect for her views. It's ridiculous. Doing both abortions...aaaaand circumcisions in the same breath. Fuck me dead a thousand times. The hypocrisy here is absolutely phenomenal...in a bad way.
/r/MensRights06/11/20 06:50 AM
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Most feminists I know are against all forms of genital mutilation. Sure, there are some bad apples...but you get bad apples in every cart...feminists included.
/r/MensRights06/11/20 03:05 AM
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The government can take care of that like they've done with just about everything else.
/r/MensRights06/11/20 02:47 AM
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Also, ask them their views on abortion. If they defend abortion then simply remind them that they're denying their son the right to decide what happens to their most intimate body part, so they're essentially giving with one hand and stealing with the other. It's about consent. Simple as that.
/r/MensRights06/11/20 02:45 AM
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It's worse than that. It's fucking rape.
/r/MensRights06/11/20 02:43 AM
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The government does that shit all the time. It's about time they started throwing infant mutilators into jail cells where they belong with all the other violent criminals. These infant mutilators are probably even worse than most violent criminals. If the fact that I would hurt these infant mutilators means I'm a violent criminal then I'm okay with that. People get thrashed over all sorts of silly stuff...but infant genital mutilation isn't silly stuff. It's the sort of stuff that people should …
/r/MensRights06/11/20 02:42 AM
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Who was paid to do that research? Doctors have an incentive to cut as many babies as possible - earlier and more comfortable retirement. No one seems to give a fuck about human rights or bodily autonomy...except abortion - especially if they're politicians, lawyers or doctors.
/r/MensRights06/11/20 02:12 AM
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One day the counter-aggression will start, and when it does, it will get ugly. If this happens then jail terms will be the least of their concerns.
/r/MensRights06/11/20 02:06 AM
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And 85% of them support a woman's right to choose. Hypocrisy? You betcha.
/r/MensRights06/11/20 02:05 AM
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Good idea.
/r/MensRights30/10/20 04:38 AM
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He should just put his foot down. I'd want to punch her lights out if it were my son. But I don't believe in violence even though I often talk tough. But shit this stuff pisses me off.
/r/MensRights30/10/20 04:38 AM
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They use all excuses these days. I can't believe parents are so clueless or think their son's sex organs are their property. I can't wait til doctors are charged with rape for this stuff.
/r/MensRights30/10/20 04:33 AM
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Too bad if she resents you. It's not HER fucking sex organ being mutilated. Maybe you should role play and strap her down and "pretend to threaten" to cut off her labia with a scalpel. See if that makes any diffetence.
/r/MensRights30/10/20 04:30 AM
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Hope you don't call yourself pro-choice LOL
/r/MensRights29/10/20 09:21 PM
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If that doesn't work, ask her how she would feel if someone held her down and operated on her sex organs without her consent? Then remind her that females have the right to control their bodies - that's why abortion is legal - and so should males. It makes little sense to grant one set of rights to one gender whilst denying these same rights to the opposite gender.
/r/MensRights29/10/20 09:14 PM
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Because religion.
/r/MensRights29/10/20 09:05 PM
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Fuck religion. End of rant.
/r/MensRights29/10/20 09:04 PM
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And it's not because of Jews, it's because of the enormous amount of money that is made doing the procedure. Skin cell cultures and women's cosmetic products have this procedure nailed to the wall - unless we have a revolution it's sadly not going to change any time soon.
/r/MensRights14/03/20 08:19 AM
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I'm a voluntary celibate, so not an incel, even though I've been labelled as one.
/r/MensRights19/02/20 11:35 PM
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Don't kid yourself. It's the medical establishment that use this as an excuse. I'm sure the US Government would make exemptions for Muslims LOL As much as I wish I could say this was so, it's not. It's complete bullshit that the medical establishment uses to protect a very profitable and lucrative situation.
/r/MensRights17/02/20 07:45 PM
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There are no pros...unless it is involving the treatment of a major infection, recurring infection, recurring balanitis/phimosis, or severe birth defects. Only cons as far as I can see. The mechanical function (and to some extent the sensory function) of the penis is altered forever by this procedure.
/r/MensRights17/02/20 05:05 AM
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What a fucking bald-faced tart. I'd want to slap her!
/r/MensRights14/02/20 09:36 AM
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THIS X 1,000,000,000!
/r/MensRights10/04/19 02:13 AM
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Science may not be on the side of abortion either. Want to ban abortion? Just you try son, just you try.
/r/MensRights10/04/19 02:12 AM
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I'd want to punch his head in. But that would undoubtedly be illegal.
/r/MensRights10/04/19 12:30 AM
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They are not a hate group. But they are biased against anyone who says anything negative towards women in general. And anti-abortionists are not welcome there either. But I've made posts on there condemning infant circumcision and nobody attacked me about it. I did get banned from the sub but that was because I subscribed to other subs like The Donald.
/r/MensRights10/04/19 12:25 AM
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Yes, it should be a mutual decision between the PATIENT and the doctor. The PATIENT being the OWNER of the penis that is to be cut or not. Parents don't and should never own their children. Children are human beings not property. And abortion is a totally different topic since it is a decision that a woman makes about HER body, and NOT anyone elses (which is most certainly the case with infant circumcision!).
/r/MensRights10/04/19 12:17 AM
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People used to say abortion would never be legalized in a civilised nation. ​ Well guess what happened? LOL
/r/MensRights09/04/19 09:26 PM
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No surprises eh?
/r/MensRights09/04/19 09:24 PM
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How does it imply perversion? I guess being against female circumcision would make you a pervert as well. /S
/r/MensRights09/04/19 09:20 PM
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She had kiddie porn. She belongs in a small room with concrete walls and steel bars.
/r/MensRights17/03/19 10:14 AM
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I always remind women who are pro-circ... "if a man shouldn't have the right to decide what happens to his sexual anatomy then neither should a woman and that means making abortion illegal. I hope you never ever need an abortion because if it becomes illegal again you will know why and it's because you don't respect the bodies of the other half."
/r/MensRights17/03/19 09:41 AM
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LOL
/r/MensRights07/01/19 07:39 PM
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Did I ever say anyone was mutilated? Nope. I said that unnecessary surgery is by definition a form of mutilation.
/r/MensRights07/01/19 09:50 AM
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No it isn't. And who cares what a woman thinks of my junk?! If she doesn't like it she can fuck right off. It's my body and my choice as to what shall happen to it.
/r/MensRights07/01/19 02:55 AM
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Nah, you're the silly one here. You want to subject an infant to torture for no sound medical reason. Sorry bro but you are wrong on this one.
/r/MensRights07/01/19 02:48 AM
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Why don't you ask a female if having her clitoral hood removed would look better? She'd slap your face in.
/r/MensRights07/01/19 02:45 AM
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"After extensive review of the literature the RACP reaffirms that there is no medical indication for routine neonatal circumcision." "After reviewing the currently available evidence, the RACP believes that the frequency of diseases modifiable by circumcision, the level of protection offered by circumcision and the complication rates of circumcision do not warrant routine infant circumcision in Australia and New Zealand". RACP. Royal Australiasian College of Pediatrics. Advised? Not at all!
/r/MensRights07/01/19 12:32 AM
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So you are comparing genital cutting with is not medically necessary or advisable to vaccination which IS advisable. Nice try but no cigar for you.
/r/MensRights07/01/19 12:18 AM
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Cutting the genitals of an infant just because SOMEONE WANTS TO is tantamount to rape.
/r/MensRights07/01/19 12:10 AM
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I'd make abortion illegal - but just for HER ONLY. Either that or she can have her clit hood removed. See how she likes being denied control over her body. I bet she'd squeal like the sanctimonious twatfaced pig she is.
/r/MGTOW07/01/19 12:03 AM
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As if that is any of your business anyway. It should be illegal to inferfere with an infant.
/r/MensRights07/01/19 12:01 AM
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What other choice did you have? Do you even know what you're trying desperately to prove?
/r/MensRights07/01/19 12:00 AM
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Medically necessary = surgery = legitimate Medically unnecessary = mutilation = not legitimate
/r/MensRights06/01/19 11:55 PM
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She's a leftist? Nope, she's a sanctimonious egomanical fuckface pig.
/r/MensRights06/01/19 11:54 PM
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Indeed. Inappropriate prescribing of controlled drugs. That alone should see her struck off.
/r/MensRights06/01/19 11:34 PM
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If it is not necessary then it shouldn't be done. Period. Should we cut girls genitals using the same arguments? Nope. The problem is this: the foreskin is seen as a useless flap of skin...but as an intact man I know that is bullshit...it is far from useless. Do some research on the functions, especially the nerve endings and gliding function both are important to sex.
/r/MensRights04/09/18 10:00 PM
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I'm not trying to downgrade the experience. But someone who has only ever seen in black and white would probably say it's great. But if they'd seen things in full color they'd probably be mad. It's all about perspective. I never body shame anyone. Parents should never have any right to interfere with a child's body unless there is a medical complaint.
/r/MensRights04/09/18 09:28 AM
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One of which is their authorizing the mutilation of their baby son(s) genitals for non-medical reasons.
/r/MensRights04/09/18 04:38 AM
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So if were a woman and your clitoris was taken as a baby you'd be OK with that too? Hey you wouldn't remember it neither would you know what kind of pleasure you'd be missing... Just because you can't remember it doesn't make it any less serious...otherwise raping an infant wouldn't be a crime. Oh wait, it IS a crime. So should mutilating their genitals. Wow, such a leap of logic eh?
/r/MensRights04/09/18 12:31 AM
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THIS... Sad but true.
/r/MensRights03/09/18 12:26 AM
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Denial?
/r/MensRights03/09/18 12:14 AM
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And cutting off part of the clitoris hood is not, either /S Whoops, unless you think mutilation is a legal definition. Douchebag
/r/MensRights03/09/18 12:04 AM
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Outrageous.
/r/MensRights02/09/18 11:46 PM
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Like Australia, Canada and Israel among a few industrialized countries.
/r/MensRights24/08/18 07:21 AM
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Show them the facts and let them digest them in their own time. Then he is a fucking cunt. And he's pro-choice which makes even more so, since he is a hypocrite as well. Women own their bodies but his son apparently didn't. If he were my brother he'd be nursing broken bones after bragging about mutilating his son.
/r/MensRights21/08/18 07:01 AM
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I've felt this way before. 2014 and especially 2015. I have since tuned out of the specific individuals who triggered me during that time. But I survived and you can too.
/r/MensRights19/08/18 06:45 AM
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I wonder if circumcision has anything to do with mass shootings and police brutality in the USA?
/r/MensRights19/08/18 06:29 AM
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Unfortunatrly you are right. And history shows that, sometimes violence or other displays of outright brutality are often the only thing that does work.
/r/MensRights19/08/18 06:22 AM
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Just don't forget to remind them that abortion is only legal because of a supreme court decision and that if it were up to politicians she would not have any freedom in that matter.
/r/MensRights19/08/18 06:19 AM
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Hahaha, the same people who want unfettered access to abortion because bodily autonomy and choice yet they want to brutalise and torture a baby's dick becsuse they prefer it that way. Seriously, what the fuck?! Men in certain countries prefer cut women. Are you fine with that, too? Because thats illegal here in the USA you presume oh but thats not legal so it must be bad. Well it is bad and so is cutting ANY baby.
/r/MensRights19/08/18 06:17 AM
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What was the reason why the appeal succeeded? That surprises me and not in a pleasant way.
/r/MensRights19/08/18 04:27 AM
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Same as Australia. We just have a bunch of idiots here who still believe in it and a handful of quacks who will do it as a side practice to their usual medical practices.
/r/MensRights19/08/18 04:26 AM
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Double standards. Wants girls to have choices over their sexual autonomy but not boys. Really disgusting.
/r/MensRights19/08/18 04:18 AM
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He is Jewish, that's why. It's hard to convince someone blinded by religion to change their views about what is essentially a cornerstone of their specific belief system. Show them the facts and let them digest them in their own time.
/r/MensRights19/08/18 04:14 AM
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Understandable but let's face it, as much as I would personally love to wring the necks of those who hurt infants, violence really doesn't solve anything and just diminishes the credibility of our cause. Most governments won't pay attention to thuggery and hot-headedness but many are willing to listen to peaceful activists. Just have patience.
/r/MensRights19/08/18 04:12 AM
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Most of the pro-choicers I know are anti-genital cutting of either sex unless there is a medical reason.
/r/MensRights19/08/18 04:08 AM
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Is Cate Blanchett pro-abortion? If she is, she needs to re-evaluate her opinions on what she is promoting. Hypocrisy at its finest.
/r/MensRights27/07/18 11:28 PM
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I'm against circumcision, and I am a true alpha male and don't ever let anyone above me, especially someone who thinks mutilating infants sex organs is acceptable. I'd be fine with punching them until their face literally disappears...and yes, I have the muscle power to back up that claim. I also weight 250lbs. You are defending something that is really almost as evil as pedophilia, and yet you call everyone here a beta. Go back to your perfect life.
/r/MensRights27/07/18 11:05 PM
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Covers and protects the head...so hopefully Planned Parenthood (who are obviously pro-choice on abortion) are also pro-choice when it comes to genital autonomy as well...that would mean banning non-therapeutic infant circumcision...doh!!!
/r/MensRights27/07/18 10:53 PM
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So they're not really pro-choice then, are they? It doesn't surprise me. I thought abortion was about the control over your own body...but they don't just want control over their own body, they want to fuck with another person's body as well. This does little else but confirm my suspicions that many of those who call themselves pro-choice are really just pro-abortion...likewise many of those who call themselves pro-life are really just anti-abortion.
/r/MensRights27/07/18 10:44 PM
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Most Jews are against abortion. That doesn't automatically give them any right to control the body of another person. The law agrees with that. So the law should be changed to ban cutting infants as well.
/r/MensRights27/07/18 04:31 AM
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How can you be so sure it has not affected you?
/r/MensRights26/07/18 01:12 AM
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Forced childbirth has never been a part of Christianity. No, but denying access to abortion is, at least for some. That amounts to the same thing.
/r/MensRights25/07/18 09:21 PM
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Of course, and being anti-circumcision isn't anti-Semitic, it's anti-child abuse.
/r/MensRights25/07/18 09:17 PM
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Christians and Catholics had to give up the practice of forced childbirth for millions of women. Your point? None?
/r/MensRights25/07/18 08:19 PM
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You could also refer to Christian or Catholic as "anti-woman" too...LOL since most anti-abortionists in the USA fall into these two religious groups. Just because the practice occurs in Judaism doesn't mean that Judaism is wrong. Judaism is fine. In fact, they already have an alternative ceremony called Brit Shalom...instead of the conventional Brit Milah.
/r/MensRights25/07/18 08:18 PM
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If someone posted a comic about why abortion rights should be protected, would the author of the comic be considered a potential anti-Christ, especially since Christians are being murdered across the globe? Please elaborate your reasons in your reply. Thanks.
/r/MensRights25/07/18 08:10 PM
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It isn't a religious practice, since it's NOT even fucking mentioned in the Islamic bible, the Koran. It's all about POWER...but then so is male genital cutting. POWER. Nothing else. Forget religion. Power is where it's at.
/r/MensRights25/07/18 08:52 AM
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Abortion is also frowned upon in the Jewish scripts, especially the ones the orthodox and Talmudic Jews follow.
/r/MensRights25/07/18 08:35 AM
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Fuck off, troll.
/r/MensRights25/07/18 08:12 AM
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STFU you ignorant morons with this circumcision crap and stop worrying about other people's penises. Maybe you should stop defending the wilful torture of infants then...
/r/MensRights25/07/18 07:51 AM
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Dr Susan Bank...I wonder if she supports abortion rights? If she does, then she'd be the biggest hypocrite in the history of humankind. Just as bad as the pro-lifers who support unjustified wars.
/r/MensRights25/07/18 07:43 AM
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6 years for fucking up someone's genitals? Should be 60 years.
/r/MensRights25/07/18 07:20 AM
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I'm sure gaslighting the messenger isn't going to solve the problem, either.
/r/MensRights25/07/18 07:17 AM
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Yet you are contradicting yourself since you're arguing against abortion...wouldn't that be dictating morality in absolute terms, deciding what a woman should be allowed to do with her body, since the embryo is still part of her body?
/r/MensRights25/07/18 07:16 AM
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If you're against abortion, then outlawing non-medically necessary infant circumcision should be a cakewalk for you. Why not?
/r/MensRights25/07/18 07:13 AM
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The government ALREADY strips people of their rights...look at the drug war. I'd be happy if they concentrated all that drug war (specifically cannabis) effort and power right onto circumcision, where it would surely be more appropriate.
/r/MensRights25/07/18 07:13 AM
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So you'd be against abortion then? Since using your same arguments we could argue that abortion in where a female fetus is killed, also removes potential rights of the said female.
/r/MensRights25/07/18 07:11 AM
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Aaand there goes one of the "scientific" arguments that is commonly used to mutilate male infants...since boys and girls will be vaccinated against HPV, the "science" can no longer justify the torturing of infants.
/r/MensRights25/07/18 07:04 AM
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That's a fair call.
/r/MensRights03/07/18 08:28 AM
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Yes. But the mother is more often than not pressured by the father.
/r/MensRights03/07/18 08:28 AM
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Yes, because the fathers bully them into doing it. Most of the women I know who did it, did it because the fathers pressured them into doing it and wouldn't budge no matter what the woman said. That has been my experience in Australia. Later these women have to defend what they did, and it's very difficult for them. Frankly I feel sorry for them. No, they shouldn't have signed the consent form, but the father of their child was right behind their shoulders when they signed the form. If it were m…
/r/MensRights02/07/18 08:03 PM
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Of course...but it's going to be difficult to bring up the topic around anyone who subjected their kid or kids to this.
/r/MensRights02/07/18 08:54 AM
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"But he balled his fist, your Honor" is not a valid defense in court, nor is it a valid reason to engage in violence even with no risk of being caught. What if the assailant was carrying something sharp?
/r/MensRights02/07/18 12:59 AM
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If you had actual skill, you wouldn't need to strike someone first. I'm much better at wrestling than boxing, as that is my main fighting style. I'm not the best at punching, but I am stronger than the average male, so wresting comes naturally. That's why I picked up BJJ. I thought it was much better than boxing as there's a lot more flexibility once you know what you are doing and the fight goes to the ground.
/r/MensRights02/07/18 12:58 AM
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Again, because they don't know any better.
/r/MensRights01/07/18 10:14 PM
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I have years of experience. If someone comes aggressively towards me, I won't always assume they are trying to attack. But it only takes one well placed strike to take me down or anyone else down for that matter. Sometimes you have to be careful, but if someone raises their fists or starts making serious threats, you have to be on guard.
/r/MensRights01/07/18 09:57 PM
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And if they cut the skin off their females they'd be jailed, right? Troll alert.
/r/MensRights01/07/18 09:54 PM
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So if it was tradition for male parents to teabag their newborn son, you'd be OK with that? If someone did actually do that, they'd be up for sexual abuse and indecent assault. Why should genital cutting be treated any less seriously? Oh because it's what we do? LOL ROTFLOL.
/r/MensRights01/07/18 09:52 PM
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That's why you should have taken BJJ training. I am 250lbs, 6' and have taken down guys several inches taller and 50lbs heavier than myself without any trouble. I could throw the average man across the room if my adrenaline levels went through the roof.
/r/MensRights01/07/18 09:30 PM
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That's why you visibly get attacked first, and don't respond with more than necessary force to stop the attack. What the fuck is this shit? If they attack first, you might not get a chance to fight back. You are so naive. I did 12 years' training in BJJ and if someone is coming at you and bearing down on you, you don't hesitate to bring them down or at least try to defend yourself.
/r/MensRights01/07/18 09:26 PM
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Yeah and when I accidentally came a little too close to some guy at the shop counter he threatened to brain me. That was only because I wanted to ask the shopkeeper a question. The guy is lucky I didn't turn around and rip his head off.
/r/MensRights01/07/18 09:15 PM
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Cutting an infant's genitals because someone thinks it looks prettier that way? That forcing something sexual on to them with a sharp object isn't a form of rape? What is it then?
/r/MensRights01/07/18 09:13 PM
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blowing your nose is much simpler for a child to do than cleaning their genitals uncircumsized Same as cleaning a fingertip. LOL. It doesn't even need to retract until it separates naturally. You are aware that this membrane is glued to the glans during infancy and early childhood. Serves no vital purpose other than being the most sensitive part of the penis? Some nonvital function you got there! Looks like you need to do some research bro.
/r/MensRights01/07/18 09:09 PM
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Or they'd rather just butcher their son's dick because they're afraid that teaching himself to clean it would potentially lead to masturbation. We can't have that, can we? It's like masturbation is so much worse than mutilating the sex organs of an infant. People who think like this deserve a bullet in the brain.
/r/MensRights01/07/18 09:05 PM
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Playing the semantics retard game, are we?
/r/MensRights01/07/18 09:02 PM
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"Yeah that's what we need right now, a bunch of busybodies screeching about clitorises." FGM survivor.
/r/MensRights01/07/18 09:01 PM
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Hope you're not pro-choice since that would paint you as a hypocrite. Bodily autonomy isn't just a woman's thing.
/r/MensRights01/07/18 08:40 PM
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Physiologically it would have affected him more. And yes at 8 it is going to be traumatic at that age since he would also remember the feeling of being violated too.
/r/MensRights01/07/18 08:39 PM
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Ah yes they do, especially if someone brags about doing it to their son on Facebook. If it were my brother he would have ended up in hospital. Thankfully I only have sisters and no, I'm not cut.
/r/MensRights01/07/18 08:36 PM
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That's like asking women who were cut as girls the same question. Avoidance doesn't work though.
/r/MensRights01/07/18 08:28 PM
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it's overwhelmingly uncircumcised women who are doing it. No, it's circumcised men who want to carry on the "tradition". The mothers consent because they don't know any better!
/r/MensRights01/07/18 08:24 PM
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It's more about the easy money than any inherent desire to hurt infants. Doctors who do this should know that it is wrong. Better to go after these doctors than gullible parents.
/r/MensRights01/07/18 08:14 PM
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Why would they tolerate the profound lack of respect for bodily integrity? This issue is just as serious as FGM when it comes to equality. It should be banned just like FGM is.
/r/MensRights01/07/18 07:30 PM
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How is it anti-feminist to be opposed to genital cutting?
/r/MensRights01/07/18 06:58 PM
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The porn isn't the issue, it's the theft and forgery that's the real issue unless it involves children.
/r/MensRights01/07/18 01:17 AM
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If we are indeed "feminizing" men then why aren't we banning genital cutting? LOL
/r/MensRights01/07/18 01:16 AM
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Almost every doctor knows it is unnecessary. So maybe going after and suing/prosecuting doctors who do it would be a better idea?
/r/MensRights28/06/18 09:43 PM
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Okay, so why not go after doctors instead of parents? There, you just made the job a lot easier. That way parents are left alone and doctors who cut infants are locked up. Easy as that.
/r/MensRights28/06/18 09:39 PM
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It's funny. I suspect I have ADHD yet finding a psychiatrist who is willing to prescribe dextroamphetamine is proving to be pretty fucking hard. And I am a 39 year old man. Lol
/r/MensRights28/06/18 10:54 AM
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If they know how damaging it is rather than how beneficial What the fuck? Some parents KNOW it is harmful yet they fucking do it anyway. Like the father who KNOWS that his parents did something terrible to him but refuses to believe it and in doing so wants his son to match him so that he can continue to believe it is normal and acceptable. This is the majority of circumcisions here in Australia. First the parents will talk about hygiene but when you keep pressing them you find out it's so their…
/r/MensRights28/06/18 10:41 AM
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Giving them information when their sky fairy tells them they should cut their children? Or when they don't want to believe that their parents did something terrible to them and they want their son to match them so that they don't remind them of their missing genital skin? Or those who think they can do whatever they like? You're underestimating your own stupidity here. Boy you are so naive. The role of the government is to protect human rights including the right to bodily autonomy and security …
/r/MensRights28/06/18 10:36 AM
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The fact that he supports locking up women for choosing an abortion speaks volumes of his character. He talks about subjugating being wrong yet here he is telling us we should send these women to prison for doing something with her own body that he disagrees with.
/r/MensRights28/06/18 10:31 AM
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Okay, answer this question. Do you defend the war on drugs? This "war" mind you destroys thousands of lives every year.
/r/MensRights28/06/18 10:28 AM
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So why does the government ban drugs and send people to prison over these drugs? The government has every fucking right to lock people up for mutilating infants. Every...fucking...right. Take your nonaggression principle and ram it up your ass. The government DOES NOT follow this principle, mmmkay?
/r/MensRights28/06/18 08:47 AM
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doesn't locking up a woman who aborts infringe on her liberty the same way locking up a circumciser does? No because the woman is deciding what happens to her own body. The circumciser on the other hand is deciding what happens to another person's body by force. No woman who aborts should ever be jailed. But I can tell you right now that anyone who cuts the genitals of an infant should rot in prison for as long as they live.
/r/MensRights28/06/18 08:43 AM
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What the fuck does feminism have to do with this? Most true feminists I know are opposed to cutting infants.
/r/MensRights28/06/18 08:38 AM
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If it's still inside another person's body and relies soley on that person's body to develop, then how can it possibly be considered a separate person? If you remove the embryo from the woman, then it expires. That's also objective science and backed by peer reviewed studies. An embryo relies soley on that one particular woman. If the woman dies so does the embryo. Now if we are talking about a late term abortion where the fetus is able to live outside the uterus then all efforts should be made …
/r/MensRights28/06/18 08:21 AM
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Bodily autonomy is something I have strong feelings about. If a woman decides not to continue a pregnancy, what business is it of yours? And I agree that if a man is knowingly and deliberately trapped by a woman and he can prove that then he should be able to terminate all obligations to the child should the woman bear the child. That said, it is a very difficult issue to press on. Like the issue of circumcision - if it isn't your body you shouldn't get to decide what happens to it nor have any …
/r/MensRights28/06/18 08:17 AM
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No problem with this. Taking deliberate privacy invading photos of a person's genitals/underwear without their consent is a serious matter as far as I'm concerned. Upskirting is a perfect example. The sick perverts who engage in this vile behaviour deserve to cop a nasty fine at least.
/r/MensRights17/06/18 11:14 AM
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but at the end of the day it is the woman's choice. And at the end of the day, it is your son's choice as to what should happen to his penis. I do not believe the government should subsidize the procedure at all. In that case, the government should not only not subsidise the circ procedure, it should stop it being done in the public health system altogether.
/r/MensRights12/06/18 08:12 PM
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Are you prolife or pro choice by any chance could you answer that?
/r/MensRights12/06/18 10:26 AM
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Yes I also find it a bit creepy how women think their son should go under the knife just so their disgusting idea of what their junk should look like...it's frankly disturbing.
/r/MensRights12/06/18 10:25 AM
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And that skin contains thousands of fine touch nerve endings designed for pleasure. Yes, indeed, you do have less than what you were born with.
/r/MensRights12/06/18 10:12 AM
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Just different? LOL! It's your son's body part, not yours. It should only ever be done to treat a medical condition. Fuck this cultural bullshit. It's not your penis so it shouldn't be your choice. If you support abortion rights then you should already know that bodily autonomy is a thing and it doesn't just apply to women!!!
/r/MensRights12/06/18 10:07 AM
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I hope you're not trolling. Bodily autonomy of a child trumps your aesthetic or cosmetic preferences. I am not circumcised and it takes me 10 times longer to clean my fucking teeth. Seriously, go look up all the potential (and maybe actual) harm that this genital cutting causes. And lastly you should count your blessings that you are not my brother or related to me in any way. I'd cut you out of my will if you even mentioned hurting your future son(s) or indeed any children you had in future.
/r/MensRights12/06/18 10:05 AM
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This won't happen voluntarily. It will happen by sheer force. !Remind me in 20 years.
/r/MensRights04/06/18 10:24 AM
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I wonder if there was more to this story than we are being told. Did the man make any threats to the officers that turned up? Was he carrying a gun or a knife and it was in plain view? If it is found that there were no guns, knives and no threats were made then the cops should lose their jobs and get jail time.
/r/MensRights03/06/18 08:20 AM
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Yeah. Fuck you.
/r/MensRights03/06/18 07:44 AM
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Who cares? Uh huh, so you're defending circumcision then?
/r/MensRights02/06/18 11:53 AM
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What they mean is "pro good sex" which is basically whatever women want sexually The fact is, circumcision actually hurts women too...not just men...all that rough sex must be really fucking them up if you really think about it. I know a couple of women who compared cut partners to uncut partners, and far preferred uncut partners because the sex is more enjoyable, not as aggressive, and they seem to get more clitoral stimulation...that's why a very large proportion of American women cannot reach…
/r/MensRights02/06/18 09:55 AM
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Why would a feminist be opposed to masturbation? Shut I thought they were all about bodily autonomy...
/r/MensRights02/06/18 07:05 AM
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Ok, maybe it doesn't. But why do we see the same puritans promoting genital cutting as a way to repress human sexuality?
/r/MensRights02/06/18 01:15 AM
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It's like female genital mutilation, i.e. circumcision. Feminist NGOs sell it as a patriarchal crime. But on the ground it's women who enforce it. And it's the same for males. It's usually the father who insists on their son matching them.
/r/TheRedPill02/06/18 12:03 AM
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They might not be the same thing but attempts to control both have been the result of sexual oppression. It's very easy to control both men and women when you take away their reproductive freedom. Yes they are different but they are still related in the context I was referring to. Controlling sexual urges or the outcome of those urges has always been the raison d'etre of the puritannical fundamentalists.
/r/MensRights01/06/18 11:51 PM
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doctors in English-speaking countries introduced widespread circumcision of male infants in the late nineteenth century. At the time this innovation was justified largely in terms of discouraging masturbation Likewise, the same moral puritans made laws outlawing abortion, so that women would never want to have sex before marriage. Both have their roots in sexual oppression.
/r/MensRights21/05/18 12:18 AM
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Yes because parents are convinced by lunatic fetishists like Brian Morris to cut their sons...
/r/MensRights21/05/18 12:11 AM
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Is there any further details on this? I thought the clitoris glans and the penis glans were the same thing essentially.
/r/MensRights21/05/18 12:02 AM
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Your son would have a 1 in 4 chance...depending on the recessive gene...but this is something that can cause impotence if the skin cannot be pulled back in a timely manner, since it can cut off circulation to the head of the penis. I'm of two minds as to whether you should have your son done in this specific situation, but I'd rather leave him intact and if there is a problem, then consider the options. One should never cut a baby, since it is very traumatic.
/r/MensRights20/05/18 11:55 PM
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Pathetic. She should have the book thrown at her. If the genders were reversed, then it would be all over the news. This is so ridiculous it's almost comical...but it's every bit as tragic as it is comical...the woman should be spared no mercy.
/r/MensRights20/05/18 11:50 PM
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Should put circumfetishists in a pit full of tigers ;)
/r/MensRights15/05/18 09:26 PM
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Someone should crosspoint this to /twoxchromosomes and see what they have to say about it. Simone obviously doesn't care about women's rights at all. She does care about structural violence though, like most authoritarians.
/r/MensRights15/05/18 09:18 PM
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The government already has laws that govern our bodies. I consider myself pro choice but you have to admit sometimes that you really don't have as much control over your body as you might assume. Case in point: drug use. Another case in point: if you're a Male baby your parents can cut parts of your penis off. Now where is the bodily autonomy when it comes to those cases? Drugs are bad? So why is alcohol and tobacco exempt considering they are the most harmful? And having the most sensitive part…
/r/MensRights08/05/18 09:14 PM
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My thoughts exactly. If women want control over what happens to their sexual anatomy then they should respect that the opposite sex has the same rights. It's equality. As soon as one of these so-called "pro-choicers" defends infant circumcision I instantly lose all respect for them. And it's people like them that are the biggest threat to women's rights - if you don't respect the rights of the opposite sex how can you expect them to respect yours? Respect is not a one-way street.
/r/MensRights06/05/18 10:28 PM
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A puppy is conscious and aware. An embryo is not.
/r/MensRights06/05/18 10:07 PM
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I got banned from there. All I said was why were OBGYNs mutilating infants when at least a few of these same OBGYNs perform abortions in the name of "bodily autonomy"? Doesn't bodily autonomy apply to everyone or is it just abortion? I guess I could say that because people are still being locked up because they choose to put a substance in their own body that is not alcohol, nicotine, caffeine or prescription meds.
/r/MensRights04/05/18 11:11 PM
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Funny how those two faiths are abrahamic religions.... But I don't think this issue is about religion. It's about questioning the authority of the medical profession and the profiteering racket that is infant circumcision. It's highly lucrative. I just hope that nobody involved in the "baby cutting" industry ever crosses my path. I can't even bear to think about what I'd do to then. It would not be pretty
/r/MensRights01/05/18 09:57 PM
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Why doesn't Iceland legalise Ayahuasca then? There are a few religions in South America who use it. Banning it would violate their religious freedom. LOL
/r/MensRights01/05/18 09:06 PM
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It's also morally wrong to interfere with the genitals of an infant without a genuine medical cause. Anyone who, after the researching the negative effects and knowing the nonexistent health benefits of strapping an infant down and amputating healthy genital parts, still defends the practice, is in my own humble opinion mentally ill.
/r/MensRights01/05/18 08:59 PM
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Yeah, then they'll probably come up with some other excuse - leaving me with the urge to smash their face in.
/r/MensRights30/04/18 08:09 PM
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Except when it comes to drugs...of course. Some religions permit the use of hallucinogenic substances. I wonder if that should hold up the same way infant genital mutilation seems to magically hold up...LOL
/r/MensRights30/04/18 04:56 AM
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It's funny how they've been peddling the "circumcision as preventive medicine" bullshit even whilst this HPV vaccine has been around for years! Want to protect your son from HPV? Don't cut off bits of his privates...just give him a HPV vaccine...problem solved...
/r/MensRights30/04/18 04:51 AM
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Someone else will.
/r/MensRights24/04/18 06:02 AM
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Genital cutting is either banned for non-medical reasons or it's not. That's how the government will play it.
/r/MensRights23/04/18 08:41 AM
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Having a baby's penis torn apart is not an uplifting or harmless act. As to abortion, it's legal in all 52 United States and has been legal since 1973. Any attempt to make it illegal is likely to be fought back hard and rightly so. A womans body does NOT belong to the State nor does it belong to any other private entity ie. An individual. The same goes for my penis. My penis belongs to ME. PERIOD.
/r/MensRights23/04/18 08:08 AM
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Of course. But likewise they don't want a government that refuses to protect the basic human rights of children. Intact genitals are a basic human right - and that should NOT be negotiable.
/r/MensRights23/04/18 08:05 AM
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Absolutely. But the problem is that if you need to ban something because it IS harmful, then those who practice it are going to fight back. How do you deal with the backlash? Simple. You simply ignore it. Governments ignored the Catholics when they decriminalized abortion. Governments ignored the Muslims on even the most minor forms of female circumcision. And so why shouldn't the governments ignore religion when it comes to the circumcision of infant boys? It's as though mutilating boys is a "s…
/r/MensRights23/04/18 07:40 AM
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Uh ok so that means no jail time if you stop women from entering abortion clinics - because that's a thing for Muslims and Catholics. Or no jail time for using drugs as per your religious requirements LOL Can't stop laughing at this one.
/r/MensRights23/04/18 07:37 AM
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My thinking doesn't need adjusting. Thanks for the suggestion /S
/r/MensRights23/04/18 07:36 AM
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The feminists demanded a blanket ban on FGM - even a pinprick. You go all the way or you go home. It's a bit like allowing FGM for religious reasons. No, that isn't compatible with human rights. You simply ban it. Same goes for drugs. Does the government allow someone to buy and use drugs if their religion demands the use of those drugs? Nope. They get caught with drugs, off to jail they go. Now I support drug legalization. Totally and completely. But the government is here to make rules and mak…
/r/MensRights22/04/18 11:44 PM
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Well I guess that worked for the feminists when Catholic leaders were attacking a specific cornerstone of women's rights- abortion being the prime example.
/r/MensRights22/04/18 11:39 PM
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I guess that worked when the feminists were speaking out against FGM. LOL. Religion doesn't cut it. This is a human rights issue. If my religion banned women for accessing abortion, do you think that should stop women from being able to make choices about what happens to their bodies? Apparently not. I fail to see why a man shouldn't be able to decide what happens to his sex organs as well.
/r/MensRights22/04/18 11:37 PM
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Only fake feminism. True feminism is not hypocritical at all. True feminists put everyone equal irrespective of sex. True feminists not only argue against FGM they also argue against MGM. True feminists believe in the same payout for the same work. True feminists believe in bodily autonomy for everyone - see my point about FGM/MGM.
/r/MensRights22/04/18 11:08 PM
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Please answer the question.m, Einstein.
/r/MensRights22/04/18 11:01 AM
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But what if you WERE required to cut your daughters?
/r/MensRights22/04/18 08:42 AM
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Cutting their genitals is abuse and is NOT in their best interests. Just because a bunch of pro-cutter nutjobs publish fancy scientific articles promoting their profiteering racket doesn't mean they are in any way credible.
/r/MensRights22/04/18 06:16 AM
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It's not a requirement. If you were required to cut your daughter's genitals would you do that as well???!!!
/r/MensRights22/04/18 06:14 AM
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True feminists are not misogynists though, it's just that they support bodily autonomy for both sexes, not just one. The internalized misogyny is really a catch-call for fake feminists...and I never listen to fake feminists anyway.
/r/MensRights21/04/18 02:31 AM
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Not only defending the mutilation of infants' sex organs, he also threatens someone with a knife. I would have decked him and then stomped on his head multiple times. I won't discount that I'm an ex-weightlifter and trained in MMA, but a knife is a lethal weapon and he could have easily plunged that thing into my chest...no way Jose, he'd be a goner.
/r/MensRights21/04/18 12:19 AM
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And ofcourse then there are the feminists. It's funny that some of the same people who scream from the rooftops about their right to bodily autonomy (abortion) then turn around and defend the butchering of a child's genitals... The TRUE feminists would ban all genital mutilation, but there are too many fake feminists who won't.
/r/MensRights21/04/18 12:09 AM
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Can you at extend to me that courtesy? Can you extend some basic respect for your future son(s) genitals as well?
/r/MensRights21/04/18 12:06 AM
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Yes, my religion requires I circumcision my sons. That is not a question or an issue. Its not under any dispute or controversy. Some religions require people kill their daughters if they refuse an arranged marriage? You OK with that too? LOL
/r/MensRights21/04/18 12:04 AM
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Circumcision of a Jewish/Muslim infant is not harm. Removing functional penile tissue IS harm.
/r/MensRights20/04/18 11:53 PM
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You have every right to fix your childs cleft palate, vaccinate them, or even pierce their ears since as a parent you can always act in their best interest. Fixing a cleft palate, or immunising them, is not the same as cutting off functional penile tissue. Foolish argument.
/r/MensRights20/04/18 11:52 PM
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I have no desire to impose change on you. Yeah, but you defend those that impose genital cutting on infants...your argument is nullified.
/r/MensRights20/04/18 11:51 PM
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If you want to believe in the afterlife, fine. You shouldn't have any business interfering with infants private bits though.
/r/MensRights20/04/18 11:50 PM
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Agree with Kingreaper...why shouldn't I get to "impose" my secularism onto you by repeatedly punching you in the face for defending the wanton mutilation of defenceless infants?
/r/MensRights20/04/18 11:49 PM
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Its wrong to impose your secularism onto people who are not interested in it. Yeah, it's wrong to impose penalties upon people who deliberately harm children...LOL
/r/MensRights20/04/18 11:48 PM
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"...if we don't do it surgically, then it might be done in the back streets and botched". It's like legalising rape of infants because it would be "unsafe" if the perpetrators had to do it illegally. I'm like WTF?! It's rape, legal or otherwise. Period.
/r/MensRights20/04/18 11:46 PM
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Okay, let me at 'em. I'll be more than happy to save the taxpayers a few dollars ;)
/r/MensRights13/04/18 09:41 PM
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Nothing makes me more angry than seeing a woman with intact genitals talking about how a modified penis looks prettier than a natural one. If men were saying that their daughter's bits would look prettier if they were cut they'd get clobbered but when a woman says the same thing nothing happens.
/r/MensRights13/04/18 09:38 PM
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Prison for life is a much more appropriate penalty. That way they can think about why they are there and how they got there and they can look forward to being there until they die of natural causes. Last I checked though is that people who deliberately harm children sexually tend to get the royal treatment (sarcasm intended)
/r/MensRights08/04/18 10:30 PM
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Not to mention the fact that suicide is extremely common with people who are under the influence of antipsychotics. As well as a significant amount of school shooters being under the influence of antipsychotics during the massacre. I can attest to this. I was on Aripiprazole 10mg. 1st day I felt weird, nearly fainted in the administrator's office. I wanted to kill mysef. What was even more disturbing was, at the time I was dealing with PTSD from watching a baby boy having his genitals tortured, …
/r/MensRights21/03/18 09:37 AM
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I think it's considerably higher than 4%.
/r/MensRights28/02/18 07:15 PM
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Yes, infibulation is horrific. I think it’s insane how such a large percentage of the world thinks it’s okay to cut off a part of someone’s body without neither consent nor a legitimate medical reasoning. We're in strong agreement here. Especially since it is the genitals we are talking about which makes it even more sinister.
/r/MensRights27/02/18 07:10 PM
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I'm not a feminist. I believe in human rights, maybe you don't, after all you are the one downplaying the cutting of an infant's genitals without medical justification.
/r/MensRights25/01/18 03:18 AM
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Washing every day is enough to eliminate any odor. And if you are that concerned you could wash right before intercourse. The odor isn't all that unpleasant, but I agree if you don't wash properly the smell can get pretty funky. But females need to wash too. Which is covered under basic hygiene. No need for surgery. Just ask any European, they don't cut things off if it isn't neccessary. The glands do secrete oil but the fold of skin keeps the oil there, washing helps reduce any unwanted odor.
/r/MensRights15/01/18 07:36 AM
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Like skin oil, but higher quantity to assist with lubrication. And yes, you can wash. I still think the idea of amputating a perfectly normal body part just to save a few seconds washing time is rather absurd.
/r/MensRights15/01/18 06:52 AM
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Sebacious glands.
/r/MensRights15/01/18 05:03 AM
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Female circumcision does not necessarily involve removing the clitoris. Most forms only involve removing the clitoral hood and part of the inner labia and some forms only involve a pinprick or a small incision. Removing the inner labia/clitoral hood is the same as male circumcision. ANY form of female circumcision is illegal. The onus of proof for forcing someone to have part of their genitals removed is on the person who is carving their will into an infant/child's genitals, and not those defen…
/r/MensRights15/01/18 02:50 AM
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They're specialized scent glands but they also produce an oily material that allows the foreskin to move without friction. Defensive? Nah. If it's good enough for males it's good enough for females...and that's to say both should be banned for nonmedical reasons which would be 95%+ of cases.
/r/MensRights14/01/18 09:40 PM
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No, the foreskin contains glands that release an oily substance that enhances lubrication. As for smegma, females produce the same thing, so that means we should circumcise females too, right?
/r/MensRights14/01/18 09:24 PM
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The foreskin releases an oily substance and also traps the vaginal lubricant that the woman produces during intercourse. This makes sex more or less frictionless.
/r/MensRights14/01/18 08:39 PM
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Even if it doesn't neccessarily impair function, removing any part of the genitals for any reason other than chronic or serious diagnosis should be prohibited by law, so the main argument is definitely on the ethical side, not to mention how painful it is.
/r/MensRights12/01/18 08:43 PM
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The foreskin is lined with thousands of nerve endings designed for erotic function. And also provides mechanical function and lubrication during copulation to ensure smooth gliding and to eliminate friction. This of course is going to enhance pleasure in sexual intercourse. To argue otherwise is nonsensical. I take it you're circumcised, because if you weren't you wouldn't be dismissing the functions of the foreskin so lightly. There are no hypothesized functions of a normal body part, only actu…
/r/MensRights11/01/18 08:33 AM
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Really? Not at all ridiculous. But a better analogy would be teeth or tonsils. Your mouth would be 100 times cleaner without those small spaces for shit to get trapped in between the teeth. Removing the teeth vastly improves hygiene... ...no shit Sherlock.
/r/MensRights11/01/18 06:16 AM
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Why is this surprising at all? Women want to be sure their children will be secure in their future.
/r/MensRights06/01/18 12:58 AM
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That's the Aussie legal system for ya.
/r/MensRights03/01/18 11:02 PM
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I have no idea why, but most of the people I personally know who are against circumcision are women. By the way, I live in Australia so maybe that's the reason for my own experience. Of course, purely anecdotal.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 07:34 AM
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What? Most of those who are opposed to the practice are in fact women.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 04:57 AM
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Good God that is sickening. Why aren't they being investigated for child abuse. That is emotional abuse on a level I can barely comprehend.
/r/MensRights23/12/17 04:51 AM
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As for a petition to Jeff Bezos, these people have no idea who they are dealing with. What do you mean? That these people are supposed to be afraid of them? I'd take the product offline and would give the middle finger to anyone who objected. End of story.
/r/MensRights23/12/17 04:49 AM
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They didn't just start chopping foreskins off for the fun of it? Well, look up Dr Kellogg. He did it to stop boys from masturbating. It was and still is a very lucrative business.
/r/MensRights09/12/17 09:33 PM
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If you can't see anything inherently wrong with strapping down a defenseless infant and taking a sharp object to their genitals, I pity you. It's infant molestation and torture all wrapped up in one neat little package and solid to gullible parents. It's a billion dollar industry. And then we have legalised abortion. Gee, that's weird huh? You would think they would take bodily autonomy seriously when it comes to protecting the rights of children too, but apparently those rights are only afforde…
/r/MensRights09/12/17 09:28 PM
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She should get a massive punishment. She is a rapist, child molester and child torturer. Her ass belongs in prison. Light punishment? You must be nuts! Throw the book at her. And then ban male infant circ unless there is an actual medical diagnosis (which would ban 99% of them)
/r/MensRights09/12/17 09:09 PM
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Hope she doesn't do abortions as well. Else she'd be the absolute worst hypocrite imaginable. Not only would she have INTACT GENITALS, she would be preaching about bodily autonomy (abortion only, sorry guys) whilst at the same time strapping infants down and carving their genitals. What about THEIR bodily autonomy? She is supposedly an OB/GYN. Many of them do abortions. Maybe she does too. And if she does, well, isn't that fucking weird huh?
/r/MensRights08/12/17 08:32 AM
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Don't you realize all crimes will vanish if you ban guns? /s Your intended sarcasm was the reason I made the point in the first place. Banning guns will only stop crimes where a gun is or could be used. Simply replace gun with any other weapon, and the theory that banning guns will reduce crime seems to fall apart.
/r/MensRights04/12/17 06:45 PM
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Money talks. Doctors are powerful as a political group. You work out the rest. A billion dollars every year...It's almost nothing, right? Profitable to individuals...individuals who have the ear of the government. Uh huh.
/r/MensRights04/12/17 06:53 AM
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Circumcision is very profitable. Doctors here in Australia make a tidy fortune on it. Here parents have to pay $500-800 to have their baby son mutilated. Not sure whether the foreskins get sold on to the grey market or not... There is one place in Sydney called "Gentle Procedures" (LOL WTF, gentle my ass). They supposedly do 20-30 circumcisions per working day. And I think they even do Saturdays too. At these prices they are asking, they must be rolling in it.
/r/MensRights04/12/17 05:42 AM
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Guns are inanimate objects. Like knifes, iron bars, motorvehicles, or any other object that could be used as a weapon. I can use a knife or a tyre iron just as effectively as I can a firearm. So why should one be banned and the other weapons permitted? Because guns are only designed to kill? Sure, they can also save lives too. If you're approached by a knife weilding thug on the street, would you prefer to use your fists or would you rather use something a little more reliable and effective. Men…
/r/MensRights04/12/17 03:47 AM
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Or is it because circumcision is a hugely profitable billion-dollar business? Guess what? So is abortion, if you want to get technical about it. I think you will find that is why we are seeing such a stark contrast with these two issues. If one is legal, the other should be illegal or vice versa. If circumcision is legal then on principle abortion should be illegal. And the reverse is true: if abortion is legal then on principle circumcision should be illegal. Bodily autonomy, yes?
/r/MensRights04/12/17 03:44 AM
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Unrelated? Is bodily autonomy as it applies to women's rights (the right to abortion) and as it applies to men's rights (the right to intact genitals) unrelated to you?
/r/MensRights04/12/17 03:41 AM
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Unless you're a male infant, then any future sex will be determined by your parents and a doctor, and such decision being fully protected by a sadistic and largely authoritarian government.
/r/MensRights04/12/17 03:24 AM
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So, according to your sexual revolution theory, why is mutilating baby boy's penises still legal?
/r/MensRights04/12/17 03:22 AM
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Yeah, a bit like the "scientific consensus" surround infant genital mutilation. Well, I guess the logic goes like this: if a fully formed fetus has no rights, then why would a child have any right to their genitals? I guess this is how your typical authoritarian types view children: as property of the parents. After all we hear about parents killing children who have already been born and yet the penalties handed down have been spectacularly lenient. TL;DR:- Children are viewed as property
/r/MensRights04/12/17 03:21 AM
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They need to back an outright ban on infant genital mutilation too. But guess which one will be banned first? It won't be these fucking baby torturers, that's for sure. Guns are INANIMATE objects. People who carve up baby's penises are NOT inanimate objects.
/r/MensRights04/12/17 03:12 AM
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Seems to be a stock reply to any concern about any form of child genital cutting. If anyone accused me of that I would say they are the pedophile since they are obviously so obsessed with their own kid's genitals that they are willing to take a sharp object to them.
/r/MensRights29/11/17 08:13 PM
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As I said the MODS on that sub are a bunch of fucktards. Ignore them, unsubscribe from the sub, and forget about them. They are fucktards. Plain and simple.
/r/MensRights28/11/17 10:03 AM
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The same piece of putrid cat shit MOD who banned me from /r/sex most likely. I did threaten him after he banned him, but in light of this, retrospectively I had every right to.
/r/MensRights28/11/17 10:01 AM
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With the title of this topic, one could even include banning infant circumcision into the bargain.
/r/MensRights25/11/17 09:40 PM
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LOL. 30 years would be better.
/r/MensRights25/11/17 09:38 PM
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300 years. How long did it take for abortion to be legalised? No where near as long...yet we're talking about a developing child at stake.
/r/MensRights25/11/17 09:38 PM
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Cut thousands of boys, retire comfortably too. Fucking cruel evil sadistic cunts.
/r/MensRights17/11/17 09:33 AM
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Really? Well, it happened to me. Age 9. The perpetrator? A woman. A stranger, mind you. Happened twice. I really don't want to talk about it. Would go a long way to explaining my long-standing anger.
/r/MensRights15/11/17 09:50 AM
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Insult people who think mutilating infants penises is acceptable is FINE by me. If anyone in my family was like that I'd smash their faces in. I'd beat them up first and ask questions later.
/r/MensRights12/11/17 10:40 AM
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Most of the comments were removed. Good riddance. That guy who mutilated his 3 sons just calle me a pedophile. He should consider himself VERY lucky he didn't say that to my face. He is pro-choice on abortion. Well I guess these people have one thing in common - they treat babies like property.
/r/MensRights12/11/17 10:32 AM
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Oh and by the way, you are now blocked. Don't ever contact me again.
/r/MensRights12/11/17 10:28 AM
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Ad hominen attacks like this won't do anything. And if you call me a pedophile to my face you would be in a great deal of trouble. Ad hominen attacks of this level are generally deleted by the mods.
/r/MensRights12/11/17 10:27 AM
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It is possible to be pro-choice on abortion yet be completely opposed to non-therapeutic infant circumcision.
/r/MensRights12/11/17 06:08 AM
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Very similar to abortion? Are you delusional? These two issues are on opposite sides of the universe. Again you're an idiot. Stop comparing abortions (which harm no one except possibly the woman involved) with something that deliberately inflicts unnecessary pain and trauma on an infant.
/r/MensRights12/11/17 06:07 AM
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Was your name JuicedPixels on Australian Whirlpool forums by any chance? I got blocked by this dickhead when I got into an argument with him after he admitted to mutilating his 3 sons because a "close friend" and his "brother in law" had penis problems. What the fuck does THAT have to do with his own sons?
/r/MensRights12/11/17 06:04 AM
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Perhaps they are two sides of the same coin. But these two issues are so far removed from each other that it is nonsense to even compare them. How would you like it if it was acceptable to cut a girl's genitals as long as her parents consented to it? Nah, I didn't think so. Within the confines of the law? So you would have been OK with the Nazis rounding up people and killing them because hey, that was legal too, in the 1940s it was anyway!
/r/MensRights12/11/17 05:57 AM
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Nothing at all like abortion, idiot. Abortion doesn't involve interfering with someone else's body without their consent. And stop putting intactivists in with anti-abortionists, you're making a rod for your own back. Mutilating infant's penises is what's super creepy. And yes, you are a fucking idiot. I won't make any bones about it. You are a tool.
/r/MensRights12/11/17 05:56 AM
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Fine, if female circumcision was not a fucking crime, you'd be OK with that too?
/r/MensRights12/11/17 05:08 AM
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The doctor should be jailed. He acted without the consent of both parents. Not that parental consent matters when it comes to infant genital mutilation but legally it does matter. So they need to hit this case where they can.
/r/MensRights12/11/17 05:00 AM
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I'm sorry about the bottom-up argument. It needs to come from protests, continuous protests and targeted political lobbying with specific attention to the right to bodily integrity. This is really an issue of consent and there is no medical justification in the vast majority if not almost all cases involving infants. It needs a top-down intervention. But a bottom-up intervention would help speed up progress. Parents can get information from sources other than those promoting this outrage.
/r/MensRights08/11/17 02:56 AM
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Yeah, it's a lucrative business. They just don't want to get caught with their pants down, if you know what I mean, because they won't be in any position to pull them back up if any one of these sick child sexual mutilating fucks ever cross my path.
/r/MensRights06/11/17 03:08 AM
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If that guy said that to me he'd be missing a few teeth and maybe an eye.
/r/MensRights06/11/17 03:04 AM
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And not just on this issue either, there are a few other areas where the medical profession is not being entirely ethical.
/r/MensRights02/11/17 07:53 PM
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And that includes genital mutilation of any kind.
/r/MensRights01/11/17 11:35 PM
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The government should reallocate resources from things that don't deliberately cause harm to other people to things that actually do.
/r/MensRights01/11/17 10:18 PM
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Pretty good joke? Nah. Pretty good representation of reality.
/r/MensRights01/11/17 08:07 PM
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Can't allow something that was already predetermined illegal? Oh, really? The government can make whatever it wants illegal disappear. Look at drugs, especially cannabis. They can make genital mutilation illegal too.
/r/MensRights01/11/17 07:01 PM
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If sexually assaulting or raping an infant was part of a religious ceremony, do you think the government would have a bar of it? I doubt it.
/r/MensRights01/11/17 01:51 AM
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If you're OK with abortion, then you should be opposed to circumcision of infants because there is a clear contradiction otherwise.
/r/MensRights31/10/17 08:19 PM
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It is indeed. Throw in abortion rights, and the whole thing really gets bizarre. Woman screams "my body my right" to an abortion protester, then funny enough that same woman insists on having the most sensitive part of her baby son's penis sliced off. Weird huh?
/r/MensRights31/10/17 08:18 PM
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Cutting their son's genitals is hardly saving their son's life! In fact, it is estimated that more than 100 baby boys die from circumcisions every year. Saving lives my ass.
/r/MensRights31/10/17 08:16 PM
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What? Like someone sexually interfering with you as a baby with sharp objects? Come on, you can't be serious?!
/r/MensRights31/10/17 08:15 PM
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Uh huh. So a child is property? Wow, just fucking WOW.
/r/MensRights31/10/17 08:13 PM
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According to that ethos, is it wrong for you to dictate whether or not a parent is allowed to mutilate their daughter's genitals too? If not, then you've shown your true colours. Sorry.
/r/MensRights31/10/17 08:12 PM
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What the fuck? Banning genital mutilation is appropriate. You support abortion rights, don't you? If so, why don't you support the right of a child to not have their genitals mutilated? Banning stuff...LOL
/r/MensRights31/10/17 08:11 PM
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And according to Christian and Catholic faith (oh, and most likely Jewish and Muslim faith too) abortion is tantamount to murder and a cardinal sin. What's your take on abortion? If you call yoursef pro-choice, then I'm sorry to be the bearer of some unfortunate news but you are not pro-choice you are pro-abortion. If you were really pro-choice you would respect the basic human rights of a child to not have their genitals mutilated.
/r/MensRights31/10/17 08:09 PM
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You should ask this guy if he is pro-choice on abortion, and if he is, remind him that if a man doesn't have any right to decide what happens to his sexual anatomy then neither should a woman.
/r/MensRights31/10/17 08:07 PM
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Well the Supreme Court didn't, that's for sure. Because abortion is legal. That's why. I wonder why they can't extend the "my body my right" philosophy to protecting a child's genitals? Because it's a billion dollar business and money talks.
/r/MensRights31/10/17 08:05 PM
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Oh, so you'd be OK with making abortion illegal then? After all, isn't killing an unborn child considered equivalent to murder in most religions? Nah, circumcision (oh, and abortion) are highly profitable billion dollar business matters. That's why you hear people screaming from the rooftops "my body, my choice" and those same people turn around and mutilate their son's sex organ. I wonder if these people considered that their son has a right to choose what happens to his sex organs? Nah. A chil…
/r/MensRights31/10/17 08:03 PM
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What about the right to decide what happens to one's own sexual anatomy? Apparently that right is only something females are blessed with. Males don't have that right because someone, anyone, can butcher their genitals as a baby therefore precluding any right to their own sexual anatomy.
/r/MensRights30/10/17 07:21 PM
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I am intact, and I can only ever get one out. Any man getting more than one out is very gifted. Multiples are usually the sole domain of women - and it has nothing to do with nerve endings or sensitivity, much more to do with hormones and the fact that females do not produce prolactin during orgasm, which allows them to have more than one in a row. Men produce prolactin which forces a refractory period that can last anywhere from 1 hour to 2 days, depending on genetics and age. TL;DR:- This man …
/r/MensRights28/10/17 07:53 AM
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It might be if a few people get their skulls cracked open. Peaceful revolution is possible. But they just keep moving the goalposts.
/r/MensRights24/10/17 07:45 PM
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I wonder what they'd have to say if some man came along and said that their natural genitalia are ugly and are fearful of normal female genitals?
/r/MensRights20/10/17 09:23 PM
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It will happen one day. Perfect world or not. People have woken up and something like this is extremely serious. There is just no way this thing will happen peacefully. I hope it is peaceful but at the same time I understand humans and know intimately what they are capable of doing.
/r/MensRights19/10/17 07:24 PM
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Unfortunately, you may be right. But history has shown that humans tend to revert to violence when all other measures have failed to prove effective.
/r/MensRights19/10/17 07:22 PM
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It only takes one nasty revolution to put a stop to infant genital cutting. If they continue to ignore those defending the rights of children, I hate to think of what the next step would be, but as history has dictated it won't be pretty.
/r/MensRights19/10/17 07:16 AM
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Until someone gets their skull clobbered because they bragged about circumcising a baby because they think a mutilated penis "looks prettier".
/r/MensRights19/10/17 07:14 AM
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Looks like China is cottoning on to the lucrative foreskin trade. Whoever invented circumcision needs a bullet through the brain.
/r/MensRights17/10/17 07:38 PM
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Hopefully over time, more and more people come to realise that this whole practice is, in essence, little more than a well fabricated fraud.
/r/MensRights16/10/17 09:46 AM
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True libertarians don't support infant circumcision. Fake libertarians, well, that's a different matter. A bit like true feminists vs fake feminists. Easy to spot the fakes.
/r/MensRights14/10/17 09:37 PM
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IAAAL...just can't believe someone would drive someone to the point where they take such a drastic and irreversible step.
/r/MensRights12/10/17 05:48 AM
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I don't agree with one point of the article: "Vaccine free" Vaccines are important. Circumcision is unnecessary and barbaric.
/r/MensRights11/10/17 06:40 AM
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Vaccines are not the same thing as circumcisions though. The former represents a health issue, the latter represents a serious human rights violation.
/r/MensRights07/10/17 09:21 PM
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Why would they when infant circumcision is still not only perfectly legal but even encouraged. You've got to be kidding me.
/r/MensRights07/10/17 09:12 PM
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The early trauma incurred as a result of infant circumcision may also play a role. The significance of such role is not known, but such possibility exists. Psychiatrists who interview perpetrators of these terrible crimes would do well to ask if the perpetrator was in fact subjected to circumcision as an infant. That might be a difficult task, but it may help to shed more light as to why someone kills so many people so callously.
/r/MensRights06/10/17 09:24 AM
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Glad to hear that pedo got what was coming to him, but I'm in total disbelief as to how your friend ended up behind bars for protecting his son with much less force.
/r/MensRights04/10/17 08:39 PM
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Someone needs to contact these guys. Their contact info is: Postal Address Men’s Sexual Health Institute Dzelzcela – 16, Riga, Latvia, LV 1004 European Union Email Information Institute of Men’s Sexual Health Email: [email protected] There is quite a bit of misinformation on that website...and guess what? They're based in fucking LATVIA...imagine that. They don't mutilate their boys in Latvia...not that I'm aware of.
/r/MensRights02/10/17 07:48 AM
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Fuck that website indeed. It should be taken down! Sexual pleasure is SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN to be more intense for intact males - thanks to several thousand nerve endings, the ridged band, the frenulum, the natural self-lubrication, and the frictionless sexual experience.
/r/MensRights02/10/17 07:45 AM
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Pouring maple syrup into the motor engine of civilisation. Throwing metal shavings onto the motherboard of civilisation. Spraying acid into the eyes, and pouring glue into the ears of civilisation. TL;DR:- Infant circumcision is unnecessary, traumatic, injurious, and cannot be justified outside of a life-threatening penile infection - which is so rare as to be virtually unheard of.
/r/MensRights01/10/17 09:27 AM
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Crazy woman. It boggles my mind no end as to why she kept thinking that it was something else that caused her son's problems and not the unnecessary and traumatic surgery.
/r/MensRights01/10/17 09:22 AM
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I am starting to think that's the real reason too. Maybe abortion is on the other side of the same coin? We're told repeatedly that we have the right to bodily autonomy, but the government tends to be very selective about that point. This is especially true when you consider the fact that government likes to chuck people in prison for doing nothing more than using a plant! (eg. cannabis).
/r/MensRights01/10/17 04:07 AM
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If the government doesn't support banning infant circumcision, then why are they so pro-choice when it comes to abortion? How come the bodily autonomy argument is only legitimate for abortion yet not for anything else? This one has baffled me for a long time.
/r/MensRights30/09/17 11:20 PM
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Why not just ban it? Look at Roe vs Wade that invalidated any law that restricted abortion. Then apply the same right to bodily autonomy to this issue. The Supreme Court could rule that no parent or guardian has any right to perform invasive surgery on any child's genitals without reasonable medical justification.
/r/MensRights30/09/17 10:20 PM
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Did you circumcise your daughters too? And let's throw in the bodily autonomy argument used by abortion proponents. Most people in the USA support the pro-choice narrative, and if you call yourself pro-choice then I'm sorry but you're not pro-choice, just pro-abortion. A lot of people demonstrate embarassingly low levels of intelligence when they fail to understand what choice and bodily autonomy actually means...it means respecting the kid's choice as to what happens to his penis as well.
/r/MensRights30/09/17 10:17 PM
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And the US government is demonstrably pro-choice on abortion so maybe the government should put their money where their mouth is and fix the problem, stop allowing someone to force their sexual or religious preferences on a defenseless infant.
/r/MensRights30/09/17 10:13 PM
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What I find even more strange is when you ask these doctors what their position on abortion is. The level of hypocrisy is insulting and embarassing. They obviously don't agree with bodily autonomy or else they wouldn't be butchering baby boys. Calling themselves pro-choice is the king of insults. They are not pro-choice and they NEED to stop calling themselves pro-choice.
/r/MensRights30/09/17 10:07 PM
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Well then I guess you wouldn't have a problem with abortion being outlawed, you know, because Christians and Catholics.
/r/MensRights28/09/17 09:01 PM
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If you really are angry about genital mutilation, I recommend finding a place where you can fucking scream and yell. An even better outlet is to take up weight training, boxing and intense cardio exercise. Works for me. It also keeps those nasty intrusive thoughts at bay and helps to reduce their ever-so-nasty effect on my mental health. Exercise. REALLY intense exercise.
/r/MensRights27/09/17 07:25 AM
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Sexting is no where near as bad as infant genital mutilation and cutting bits off a boy's penis is perfectly legal. There is a major problem with this society.
/r/MensRights25/09/17 08:44 PM
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And MGM meets the definition of sexual assault, according to Woodward's statement.
/r/MensRights23/09/17 10:16 PM
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In Australia most areas have very low rates of circumcision but the government subsidizes the procedure. The government doesn't subsidise the procedure any more, at least as of 2006. They essentially removed it from the public health system and it now requires a private consultation. It really should be illegal unless it is medically necessary and the public health system takes care of those cases.
/r/MensRights23/09/17 10:14 PM
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The reason why a lot of men denounce feminism is because too many of these "feminists" think that natural male genitalia is "weird" or "unclean" or God what have you. No wonder, I wouldn't respect any woman who said that about my penis. She'd be shown the door faster than she could say "feminazi".
/r/MensRights23/09/17 10:09 PM
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Did you hear what Clinton said about circumcision? Possibly a fake feminist, if what she said about infant circumcision is anything to go by. Either that or she was scared of being labelled anti-Semitic...There's no two ways about it. But aren't most Jews against abortion? I had some inkling that they were...so why would Clinton not be risking offending the Jewish community with her views on abortion as well?
/r/MensRights23/09/17 10:06 PM
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What's interesting is a lot of these "feminists" (not all of them) think it's OK to take a sharp object to baby boy's pee pee. And that's when my respect for them suddenly meets a brick wall. I call these ones "feminists" because the only bodily autonomy they care about is their own, yet they won't extend that principle to boys and leave their penises intact, and to add further insult they know full well that circumcision is medically unnecessary.
/r/MensRights23/09/17 10:04 PM
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It's becoming less common in Australia, Britain, and many other countries, especially Europe. Not sure about the USA, but I did read the recent AAP statement and it is likely a historical anomaly. Even if there are many people defending it, the number of those attacking it are ever increasing. To me it looks like the last dying stages, where the animal seems to miraculously come back to life, only to die soon after.
/r/MensRights23/09/17 02:10 AM
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Probably from the same women who think it's fine to chop off parts of a baby's penis!
/r/MensRights22/09/17 11:13 PM
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Who is this group you're naming? A lot of Jewish are turning against the practice. Most of the decent feminists and left groups are against the practice.
/r/MensRights22/09/17 11:09 PM
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I think it was in vogue during the 50s and 60s...the rate is considerably lower now than it was back then...depdnding on which State you live in.
/r/MensRights22/09/17 11:08 PM
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Yep many of these hypocrites call themselves "pro-choice" but in reality they are not pro-choice they are pro-abortion.
/r/MensRights21/09/17 08:45 PM
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Reduce sensation? Like female genital mutilation? So it takes longer to reach the big O? The whole issue is a non issue, right? Removing sensitive body parts from a fucking baby without their consent should be illegal. I suppose circumcising girls would make them look better and cleaner too, but that's illegal. Just another form of sexual abuse, albeit one protected by religion or, even worse, monetary interests. Do you support abortion rights? If so, then why are choices that a woman makes abou…
/r/MensRights20/09/17 02:26 AM
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Normal female genitalia are cut as well, depending on what country you live in, or what sky fairy you believe in.
/r/MensRights17/09/17 08:42 AM
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I'd steer clear of any woman who thinks normal male genitalia are gross...just as I'd expect a woman to steer clear of any man who thinks normal female genitalia are gross. Everything has to be equal. Respect is NOT a one-way street!
/r/MensRights17/09/17 02:17 AM
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Yeah, it's outrageous that someone would pay $600 to mutilate an infant...but there are some ignorant or screwed up people out there.
/r/MensRights17/09/17 02:16 AM
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The ego factor is a serious problem I must admit. To the point - I know someone here in Australia who paid $600 in July 2015. I am pretty sure I posted an imgur link showing the comments section of his facebook post. If he were my brother I think he'd be somewhere under the ground today. Too bad, his son doesn't deserve a father who shows such complete and utter lack of respect for his son's genitals.
/r/MensRights16/09/17 11:59 PM
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Mutilating someone's genitals is different to changing a diaper or cleaning them.
/r/MensRights16/09/17 11:17 PM
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Well, most doctors here in Australia, well 99% of them, would never suggest doing this to any infant, and even in cases where there is an infection or phimosis, they would suggest more conservative treatments such as antibiotics and steroid ointments. Only if those treatments fail to work - as in the case of a friend of mine, his son had recurring infections and a couple of other problems, in the end he had to get it done. Unfortunate, but in these particular cases I would never judge anyone. I …
/r/MensRights16/09/17 11:16 PM
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Ok. Then it's child sexual abuse. Wanna play semantics?
/r/MensRights16/09/17 10:28 AM
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Yep. And we could argue that female genitals are ugly and stink, but that doesn't give anyone any right to cut a girl. I bet these same women would freak out if we suggested female circumcision of girls to ensure "cleanliness" ALL genital cutting is an abuse and against human rights unless it is done in the context of a medical condition and even then it can be considered excessive and ultimately abuse.
/r/MensRights16/09/17 10:26 AM
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My thoughts exactly. But try convincing an imbecile physician of this simple commonsense notion.
/r/MensRights16/09/17 10:23 AM
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The vast majority of women who would probably go ballistic if their right to abortion was ever threatened, yet can't respect the rights of a member of the opposite sex to the genitals they were born with. Some men think that female genitals stink too and are gross...so maybe we should start circumcising girls too LOL /S
/r/MensRights16/09/17 10:21 AM
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The same women who want the right to control what happens to their body, yet cannot respect the right of another human being of the opposite sex to intact and fully functional genitals. Yep. The sort of women I'd be steering clear of. Have a nice day ;)
/r/MensRights16/09/17 10:15 AM
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just know 99.999% of women think they're gross. The same women who scream from the rooftops about their right to bodily autonomy yet can't apply the same principle to men and respect THEIR rights? The funny thing is that with abortion, there is something serious at stake - an unborn child. What is there at stake with leaving a kid's dick alone and letting him decide how much of his penis he wants removed? Pretty much nothing at stake - unless you want to count your ego. Yeah, pretty much.
/r/MensRights16/09/17 10:14 AM
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Yet many of these same people would be fine with cutting their sons!
/r/MensRights16/09/17 06:48 AM
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Hope she does serious time. Shooting someone for asking you to move a car is about as outrageous as it gets. Sure, if he pulled out a knife or something along those lines she would be justified. But asking to move her car? Nope. Invalid defense. Off to jail she goes.
/r/MensRights12/09/17 10:07 PM
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These days most FGM, much like most MGM, is performed in sterile conditions (eg. hospitals, clinics, doctors offices, etc). It's only in remote areas where things could really get deadly. I could sum it up in one simple sentence. Her body, her rights. His body, his rights. At this point, it doesn't even matter how much damage is being done. Comparing the two is like comparing a 1-inch rape to a 6-inch rape. Both are rape, right? This is about the principle.
/r/MensRights12/09/17 12:43 PM
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Plenty of cultures where FGM is accepted - you will find women extolling the virtues of the practice. No different to what happened to you. They will try to justify it in their own mind but they will never be able to justify it according to the set standard of ethics. You have lost a mechanical function of your penis. That would have a bad effect even if you are not aware of this.
/r/MensRights11/09/17 05:20 AM
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Would you find it acceptable if baby girls were having parts of their genitalia routinely removed? If you would, then why would tolerate similar things being done to baby boys?
/r/MensRights11/09/17 04:05 AM
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It certainly can. It has at least the potential to.
/r/MensRights10/09/17 04:51 AM
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Ban?... Oh, BTW you have been blocked. Have a nice day ;)
/r/MensRights10/09/17 04:48 AM
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This one is easily worthy of a ban, at least a temporary ban...
/r/MensRights10/09/17 04:47 AM
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At least I know which women to avoid.
/r/MensRights09/09/17 04:42 AM
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Are these the same ones who scream from the rooftops about their right to bodily autonomy which is the key argument for why abortion was legalised?
/r/MensRights09/09/17 04:41 AM
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Exactly. But choice means choice over one's own body and not someone elses. People who do this to children without any medical justification - hey there, that's NEARLY ALL cases, deserve to be scalped.
/r/MensRights08/09/17 04:26 AM
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She'll offend her daughter if she does hurt her brother. She should take her self-importance off the bedroom wall for once and check her ego at the handstand. She's a tool and she's not making anyone think any better of her.
/r/MensRights08/09/17 03:42 AM
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If these gynecologists support abortion rights (and I bet my ass they do) then they should be opposed to forced genital cutting of EITHER sex. These people are so fucking weird.
/r/MensRights08/09/17 03:40 AM
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If she is concerned that her daughter knows that painfully mutilating her infant brother is wrong then maybe she should leave her son's genitals alone. How about that? Good idea? Some people are so fucking dense!
/r/MensRights08/09/17 03:38 AM
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And the funny thing is that, unlike infant genital mutilation, the person taking the drugs has consented to having those drugs in his or her body. Infant genital mutilation of either gender should be illegal and anyone caught doing it should be jailed for a long time. I'm not going to rationalize this disgusting practice any longer. I've seen the truth and understand the real narrative (the one where circimcision was originally used to control masturbation and to weaken the sex organ - which is …
/r/MensRights07/09/17 06:29 AM
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Okay then, by your logic we should legalise heroin, meth, LSD, etc because it's "safer" if it's legal. What a crock of shit that argument is.
/r/MensRights07/09/17 03:45 AM
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Oh, ok. So we should cut a baby girl's genitals, because, as you put it, she has no frame of reference from sensitivity, because she'll think mutilated genitals are normal. Nice try. You lost. Goodbye.
/r/MensRights30/08/17 07:55 AM
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Yeah, science written up by a bunch of doctors who profit from circumcision, and a bunch of circumfetishists... People who are mutilated will be motivated to write stuff like that, because it justifies the terrible thing that happened to their most prized body part. Keep trying kiddo. You're not winning.
/r/MensRights30/08/17 07:54 AM
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It is magic...because cutting a little girl's genitals is ILLEGAL. So should cutting a little boy's genitals... Why not cut your daughter too?
/r/MensRights30/08/17 07:54 AM
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Oh, ok. So females have a different skin type? Ok. Ok...Females are aliens then...
/r/MensRights30/08/17 07:53 AM
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Why aren't they cutting girls, then...after all, a dried out vulva has less chance of absorbing dangerous pathogens too...LOL
/r/MensRights30/08/17 07:48 AM
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Scarification of the head...yeah, great, a scarred and less sensitive penis makes for great sex...LOL
/r/MensRights30/08/17 07:48 AM
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Circumcision DOES NOT prevent HIV. Sorry to bust your bubble. Men should learn how to use a condom!!!
/r/MensRights30/08/17 07:47 AM
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Infant genital cutting =/= vaccine...sorry. Yes, I am sure there are some cases where circumcision is neccessary to save the child from a potentially life-threatening or penis-threatening infection. But those cases are pretty rare. They do happen, admittedly, but you're pulling straws here.
/r/MensRights30/08/17 07:47 AM
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How can you prove that?
/r/MensRights30/08/17 07:25 AM
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Only if it is justified by a medical diagnosis. Otherwise, it's pointless, painful and potentially harmful.
/r/MensRights30/08/17 06:45 AM
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Same could be said for baby girls too...think of all the germs that get caught in female genitalia as well. It's not just a male problem. TL;DR:- clean yourself regularly, practice basic personal hygiene and you won't need any surgery. Simple as that...
/r/MensRights30/08/17 06:44 AM
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Whereas circumcision is often harmless and doesn't affect sexual pleasure in any way, it even has some health benifits. Health benefits have been debunked, one by one. There is no general consensus that it affects overall sexual satisfaction, however, the foreskin is nerve-dense and has sensory function and mechanical function, which is lost. It's an issue of consent. Removing part of anyone's genitals without consent and without a formal diagnosis should be illegal.
/r/MensRights30/08/17 06:28 AM
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Yes, but circumcision harms women too. Think about all those women who have trouble in the bedroom in the US with it's high circ rate, compared to other countries with low circ rates. Many women cannot achieve orgasms during intercourse with a circumcised partner but those same women may find it a lot easier with an intact partner. Circumcision doesn't just harm men, it harms their sexual partners too - and the overwhelming majority of those are women.
/r/MensRights29/08/17 11:09 PM
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They said that about legal abortion on demand.
/r/MensRights29/08/17 09:07 PM
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I'd kick her ass. That's one sick bitch.
/r/MensRights29/08/17 09:05 PM
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Absolutely.
/r/MensRights27/08/17 09:46 AM
2

Banning infant circ would certainly help to bridge that gap.
/r/MensRights27/08/17 07:46 AM
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But one does not have any right to control another's body. Forcing a woman to either continue a pregnancy or abort would be the same as forcing someone to donate a kidney.
/r/MensRights27/08/17 06:19 AM
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The same arguments regarding usefulness are being used to support male cutting, and being smaller doesn't necessarily mean fewer nerves. It is the most nerve dense part of a female's vulva.
/r/MensRights27/08/17 06:18 AM
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Sure, but the anti-cutting lobby has a lot more credibility since the anti-abortion lobby wants women to be relegated to 2nd class citizens.
/r/MensRights27/08/17 03:27 AM
1

Well, it does deaden it to an extent, but removing the clitoris would be like cutting off part of the glans as well as the foreskin.
/r/MensRights27/08/17 03:26 AM
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And your partner enjoys all her ugly folds...LOL
/r/MensRights26/08/17 09:53 PM
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It was acceptable in the time of Kellogg. They did FGM stuff. In the US, for masturbation reasons. This is always the argument I bring up when people say that FGM is necessarily far worse than the male equivalent. I always have to point out that both were done for the same evil reason.
/r/MensRights26/08/17 09:50 PM
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Honestly I think cutting off the external nub of the clitoris is less invasive. It's just as invasive. Removing the external nub will usually kill the nerves around the base as well, since the trauma will cause nerve regression. The base remains intact and is perfectly servicable Unfortunately it isn't. Removing an area will generally deaden the surrounding areas.
/r/MensRights26/08/17 09:49 PM
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Although I wouldn't use it on a daughter of mine, this hypothetical breast enhancing injection is a hell of a lot less objectionable than cutting up a boy's penis. Both acts are reprehensible, since they both modify the body of the child without their consent. All purely elective surgeries on children should be postponed until they can consent.
/r/MensRights26/08/17 09:48 PM
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A stupid idea, but what would stop it in no time is if a boy had the legal right to beat up his mutilator upon turning 20. No one would dare cut a kid then. I'd be a great idea, as far as I'm concerned. But not legal, unfortunately.
/r/MensRights26/08/17 09:44 PM
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Do t they do that with abortions? Abortion is a separate issue, but it is an issue closely related to intactivism in that it is an issue about bodily autonomy and sovereignty. Both are based on the concept that a person's body should belong to them and no one else, and that purely elective surgical procedures should never be performed on anyone without their consent. No one in their right mind would force a pregnant woman to carry to term against her free will. No one in their right would or sho…
/r/MensRights26/08/17 09:43 PM
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An untold hero of our time. Best wishes for her for any future endeavours she may take on. Marilyn Milos is a true feminist.
/r/MensRights26/08/17 09:38 PM
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While it's nice to think that this would work, it may not. FGM may become entrenched (worst case scenario), and then one of the strongest arguments for ending male cutting may be essentially removed from any terms of debate. The funny thing is, if FGM did become entrenched, guess who would be promoting? Females.
/r/MensRights26/08/17 08:39 AM
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It has to happen to girls before anyone really cares to actually do something about it. Well, always remember that cultures that condone the cutting of girls first condoned the cutting of boys. I'd hate to see FGM become acceptable in Western society, but still hate the fact that male circ is considered acceptable.
/r/MensRights26/08/17 01:55 AM
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Yeah, the gynocentrism sometimes seen in this issue is repulsive.
/r/MensRights25/08/17 10:26 PM
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that is it allowed in some circumstances, and not in others. And what circumstances would those be, that which would allow it and that which would not?
/r/MensRights25/08/17 10:00 AM
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Its supposed existence is a result of what I can only characterize as a mean-spirited prank on the gullible. Gullible? Like parents in the USA, Canada, and Australia (where I live) who choose to have their son's genitalia mutilated because of supposed "health benefits"...I'd say they're far more gullible than anyone who considers a more humane approach.
/r/MensRights25/08/17 10:00 AM
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Your own sexuality (a most basic human right) is less important than your religion? And no, Brit Shalom is being conducted as a legitimate ceremony. Jesus fucking christ, it's little wonder that the world is in such a mess. I'm going to ask you a question. Are you pro-choice on the abortion issue? If you are, then I'll assume that you value bodily autonomy over religion, since abrahamic religions forbid abortion. Which brings us to this question? Why should genital integrity be treated any diffe…
/r/MensRights25/08/17 09:30 AM
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That both procedures should be unlawful unless there is a reasonable excuse - as in, a legitimate medical diagnosis of a condition which indicates that cutting of genital tissue is necessary to preserve the physical health of the patient. Genital cutting should never ever be tolerated for any other reason.
/r/MensRights25/08/17 06:32 AM
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Wrong! There is such a thing. Go look it up if you don't believe me. Also, the foreskin and frenulum are the most sensitive parts of the penis. Again, look it up if you don't believe me.
/r/MensRights25/08/17 05:52 AM
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No religion is important enough to cut into the genitals of any child for any reason. I do have Jewish ancestry and of course still have great respect for the Jews. And so many are converting from Brit Milah to Brit Shalom, so you can't play the antisemitism card here either.
/r/MensRights25/08/17 02:40 AM
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How does an 8 year old girl give consent to FGM?
/r/MensRights25/08/17 02:38 AM
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That's been my counter-argument...but little girls are more precious and innocent than baby boys, so it tends to fall on deaf ears ...
/r/MensRights24/08/17 09:25 PM
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I suffer from autism and depression too. But I don't excuse the torture and mutilation of babies in the name of religion. I'm not trying to restore persecution - just trying to stop people from deliberately harming infants. You do know there are alternative religious ceremonies which do not involve circumcision at all. Brit Shalom is a thing now and a lot of Jews are interesting in this.
/r/MensRights24/08/17 09:01 PM
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It would be interesting to find out what their views on abortion are, if they thought that cutting their sons genitals and depriving them of bodily autonomy was a good idea. This tactic works for me especially if the woman is a prochoicer. It forces them to think about the concept of bodily ownership from all angles.
/r/MensRights24/08/17 08:59 PM
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I sure do. That was a funny movie as much as it was serious. I picture myself hopping the fence, jumping these ratbags and teaching them a lesson they'll never forget, and bringing their ill gotten gains to the city square to tell the public what happens to thousands of baby boys every year and why. Well, it would be interesting to say the least.
/r/MensRights24/08/17 08:16 PM
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Good lord! This is sexual mutilation taken to a whole new level. Wow...just fucking wow.
/r/MensRights23/08/17 11:33 AM
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Here in Australia they charge $600. https://m.imgur.com/olPNJwG Well, at least in this case they did. Not sure how much they actually profit but after all the premiums paid for public and private liability insurance, running the medical centre, the cost of the devices used, materials, and other ancillaries required for the procedure I'd be surprised if they even pocketed 25% ($150). There are much bigger motivations behind this skullduggery than money and maybe even bigger motives than religion …
/r/MensRights23/08/17 11:15 AM
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which are ignored because almost everyone is obsessed with women's problems and thinks it's a zero sum game. Well, at least you got one thing right.
/r/MensRights21/08/17 08:19 PM
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Seriously, do you have a problem with boys having the same rights as girls? If anyone mutilated one of my future baby nephews I would snap their necks. Male or female, I don't care. Take that for real.
/r/MensRights21/08/17 08:15 PM
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Of course...and I think you mentioned Dr in a sarcastic way, because we all know Morris ain't no doctor. As such I don't think Morris should be able to promote it the way he does as he isn't even a medical professional. The funny thing is there are literally dozens of medical professionals speaking out against the practice, especially in Australia.
/r/MensRights21/08/17 09:05 AM
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The same could be said for removing the clitoral hood/inner labia. I mean, imagine all the germs that can get trapped in those folds. You could argue that there are health benefits for cutting girls too...but that's illegal and I guess there is a good reason for that. The same protection should be afforded to boys as well. Otherwise you're just being sexist. Pro-circers really fail to understand the issue of ethics or consent.
/r/MensRights21/08/17 06:36 AM
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My best retort to women who say shit like this is to tell them that you won't marry them if they won't remove their clitoral hood or won't marry them if they believe in abortion rights or some other feminine aspect. In other words it's best to play them for the idiots they are. It makes them think and think hard.
/r/MensRights21/08/17 06:30 AM
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Mutilating their son's penis so it looks more attractive to future sexual partners is DEFINITELY SEXUAL. Sorry.
/r/MensRights21/08/17 06:21 AM
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but why is it anyone's business what two consenting parents choose to do for their days old baby...? According to your question, why is it anyone's business if two consenting parents decide to remove their daughter's clitoral hood...?
/r/MensRights21/08/17 06:19 AM
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No problem - as long as the person being cut has consented or there is a genuine medical diagnosis.
/r/MensRights21/08/17 06:11 AM
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Wow...as if an 11 year old would have phimosis? This is so bizarre that it boggles the mind. Sounds like Brian Morris Jr.
/r/MensRights21/08/17 06:09 AM
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That's pretty rare. And in many cases it's because their son had a legitimate medical reason. But I'm sure it has happened. If I were in a relationship with a woman, and could not convince her that doing this to a baby was wrong despite all my efforts I would be quite prepared to terminate the relationship.
/r/MensRights17/08/17 10:26 PM
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but the lengths people go to in order to justify what was done to them are ridiculous Of course. Half even go as far as to inflict the same thing on their sons. One guy had his son done because his nephew had to be done when he was 15 due to some problem. I know this guy was cut because he admitted it. As if his son would have a problem just because his nephew had a problem? My father has bad teeth with several lost teeth and implants, crowns, etc. My grandfather doesn't have a tooth left in his…
/r/MensRights17/08/17 08:23 PM
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How come so many women are OK with mutilating their sons and denying them bodily autonomy, sometimes even for religious reasons, then shout from the rooftops about the right to their own bodily autonomy. It seems daft no matter what side of politics you are on.
/r/MensRights14/08/17 08:49 PM
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Why? Most of these people are "child = property".
/r/MensRights14/08/17 08:13 PM
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Probably supports abortion too...which means she wants bodily autonomy for females...but fuck males. They are 2nd class citizens...nothing is a more potent reminder that your body doesn't belong to you than someone forcing their will onto your genitals with a sharp object.
/r/MensRights14/08/17 10:43 AM
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They need to ban that moderator. He kicked me off because I pointed out that OBGYNs who do both abortions and circumcisions are hypocrite scum. Essentially she/he couldn't handle the fact that I could see through that pathetic facade.
/r/MensRights13/08/17 10:12 PM
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WTF? Washing genitals is worse than mutilating them? Uh, OK. I'll stop there.
/r/MensRights13/08/17 09:58 PM
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The fraudulent medicalization of MGM had far-reaching echo effects, even beyond the Anglosphere. Fraudulent indeed. Certain scumbags are cleaning up by mutilating thousands of defenseless infants. I just hope none of them ever cross my path because that'll probably be the last thing they ever do.
/r/MensRights12/08/17 10:07 PM
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Which means that they are some of the most responsible and respectful members of the human race...unlike Australia.
/r/MensRights12/08/17 10:05 PM
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Well I got booted from /r/sex I don't care any more. I'm getting really fucking sick of stuff.
/r/MensRights12/08/17 10:01 PM
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but at some point you just gotta man up and understand that something horrible happened to you. Of course...but to be honest, I'd hate to be having this stuff in my face all the time. I'd probably go insane from the hurt.
/r/MensRights12/08/17 10:22 AM
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I must admit, if I were circumcised, I'd hate it if anyone said I was mutilated. I really would. Even if it were the truth.
/r/MensRights12/08/17 10:14 AM
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I'm not sure. Maybe submit a report to reddit, and report on the moderator themselves?
/r/MensRights12/08/17 10:12 AM
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Abortion has been legal for decades. The same OBGYNS who perform abortions also mutilate little boys. Why is this happening when a person is supposed to have the right to bodily autonomy? After all, isn't THAT THE REASON why abortion was legalized in the first fucking place? Why the fuck are WOMEN the only human beings to have the implicit right to bodily autonomy?
/r/MensRights12/08/17 10:11 AM
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You should report the sub to the reddit masters. That's outrageous. Seriously it is.
/r/MensRights12/08/17 09:46 AM
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Unable to prevent genocide is a bit different to being unable to spare one single child from being butchered. We all wish we could have done something to prevent any number of different events, but now we have to live with it. You are right, blaming myself isn't going to help. Well, the sister in question only has 1 child, a daughter. Hopefully she has another daughter, so that I won't need to revisit that issue and consequently bring back the old trauma again, which I really don't need.
/r/MensRights12/08/17 12:21 AM
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but if you can prevent just one mutilation, you have made the world a better place and you can be proud of that. That's what hurts. I can only wish I had spoken up back then, I might have been able to prevent it...but I didn't...and here I am. But I guess if I can't even change my sister's mind (well, one of them, as my other two nephews are whole), I begin to wonder if I would have changed his mind. He would have saved $600 too. Honest to God I can't believe someone can be lulled into paying su…
/r/MensRights11/08/17 11:11 AM
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by saying the pros outweigh the cons Which, sadly, is a big fat lie...
/r/MensRights11/08/17 10:02 AM
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Wow...just...cough ehem cough cough cough wow... How do they do it? Automation? Tech skills? Or just political correctness gone potty?
/r/MensRights11/08/17 10:00 AM
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Well, at least you're not in favor of MGM, which is great. We need more people like that ;)
/r/MensRights11/08/17 09:44 AM
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No doctor claims that is serves no function. But they routinely amputate it as though it serves no function. Amounts to the same thing as far as I'm concerned.
/r/MensRights11/08/17 09:43 AM
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But you'd probably be missing the best part of your dick...maybe you wouldn't notice the difference or even complain at all, but many men do.
/r/MensRights11/08/17 08:20 AM
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Really? What about enjoying the penis that mother nature provided them with, but their parents or a doctor decided that they shouldn't keep the best parts of their genitals?
/r/MensRights11/08/17 08:19 AM
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And they have legally protected clitoris...unlike men who can be strapped down as infants and have the most sensitive part of their dick removed on a whim. A doctor needs to prove that it is medically necessary to remove tissue from a girl's genitals (in the case of a child who cannot provide consent) but for some strange reason this onus of proof is reversed in the case of boys. Weird huh?
/r/MensRights11/08/17 08:18 AM
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Not today they don't. Maybe in the early 20th century...but in the 70s all the way to now...nope. Keyword: circumcision
/r/MensRights11/08/17 08:17 AM
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A clitoris is considered "vestigial" in some cultures. Depends on culture. A bit like in America, "medically" it is "claimed" that the foreskin has no function...but of course, we all know that's a blatant lie.
/r/MensRights11/08/17 08:07 AM
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At worst, you could say that they suggest the positives of the procedure, outweigh the potential negatives. The potential negatives? What about the actual negatives, like losing the most sensitive part of the penis?
/r/MensRights11/08/17 08:06 AM
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Convert 'em to Moneros.
/r/MGTOW11/08/17 06:25 AM
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Seems financial stability or at least the promise of it is important to a relationship. If you're poor, you are seen as someone who has nothing to offer. Reality. Sucks.
/r/MGTOW11/08/17 06:19 AM
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What function to they serve? Sensation. Erotic function. A vestigial tail is also sensitive to touch, texture, and temperature. And if it had no function, it wouldn't be sensitive would it?
/r/MensRights11/08/17 06:18 AM
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No, you couldn't say that. No respectable scientist, or medical professional that has actually studied it says that. Well, the same "respectable" scientists, medical professionals all say that circumcision has no effect on male sexual function, but they're full of shit.
/r/MensRights11/08/17 06:18 AM
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They are the equivalent of a tail. A reminder of something that isn't fully formed. They're fully formed, just that they do not serve a biological function. Hmmm. You could say the same about a clitoris, since it has no biological function, either, since it has "decided not to change" so to speak, and instead of turning into a penis, it remained a clitoris.
/r/MensRights11/08/17 05:45 AM
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Male nipples do not have actual function. Uh, OK. So I guess that's why mine are extremely sensitive to touch, texture and temperature.
/r/MensRights11/08/17 05:43 AM
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There's nothing special about clitorises or penises, either. Since they are considered part of the skin too.
/r/MensRights11/08/17 05:20 AM
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Male nipples are a well known erogenous zone. Stop spreading bullshit.
/r/MensRights11/08/17 03:24 AM
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That's the sad part. Infant circumcision is big business.
/r/MensRights11/08/17 12:13 AM
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It's one of the reasons why my support for abortion has dwindled of late. If one gender shouldn't have any right to decide what happens to their reproductive anatomy then neither should the other.
/r/MensRights11/08/17 12:10 AM
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And probably pro-choice too...err whoops cough pro-abortion cough cough The irony is so thick you could literally choke on it.
/r/MensRights11/08/17 12:07 AM
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You are not pro-choice, you are pro-abortion. Fuck off cunt bitch. Stop defending infant genital mutilation.
/r/MensRights11/08/17 12:01 AM
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Yeah, apparently girl's genitals are so precious. But boy's genitals are just property. The sort of anger that makes me want to wring necks.
/r/MensRights10/08/17 11:55 PM
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Typical two-bit Feminist: my child, my property. There, fixed that for ya.
/r/MensRights10/08/17 11:52 PM
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Male nipples are literally worthless to men You're as ignorant as the pro-circumcision fanatics on this one I'm afraid.
/r/MensRights10/08/17 11:48 PM
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"Children as property of their mother" Not surprising...that would explain why many who defend abortion rights also defend circumcision... ...so that throws the whole "bodily autonomy" argument clear out the window.
/r/MensRights08/08/17 11:03 AM
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She's a tool!
/r/MensRights07/08/17 01:12 AM
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Here in Australia there are...and guess what? They're about to get hit by a deluge of protesters. It's in the making. I hope the protesters shut 'em all down for good - just to make these psychopaths feel bad for a day or two would be worth it.
/r/MensRights07/08/17 01:12 AM
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They will start doing this in Australia soon. But these two issues are related to the issue of bodily autonomy.
/r/MensRights07/08/17 01:09 AM
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Well, almost all women in the USA own an intact fully functioning clitoris. Any woman who forces this on a child should be forced to undergo her own mutilation. I bet circumcision would stop point blank full stop if this were mandated.
/r/MensRights07/08/17 01:04 AM
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Should ask her to take those shears and cut her labia with them and see how she likes it...I bet she's pro-choice too.
/r/MensRights07/08/17 01:02 AM
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Well I guess if you were from a culture that cut little girl's clitorises then doing the same thing to your girl should be the way to go, right? /S
/r/MensRights07/08/17 01:00 AM
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This "child is my property" is likely a big part of the infant circumcision problem. It's their kid, it's their property, right?...Wrong, of course. If a child is property then by extension so is an adult. The question is, whose property is an adult?
/r/MensRights07/08/17 12:54 AM
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Then it should be pretty fucking easy to LEAVE THE KID ALONE. Yeah?!
/r/MensRights04/08/17 02:57 AM
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No one gives a fuck what girls want. It's the kid's penis and not the property of a fucking woman with INTACT GENITALS mind you.
/r/MensRights04/08/17 02:54 AM
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Nah, but I'd bet that a lot of those who perform circumcisions are some kind of sadistic pervert who enjoy doing it.
/r/MensRights01/08/17 09:21 PM
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And he can look up Brit Shalom...this is a legitimate Jewish naming ceremony and it doesn't involve circumcision. Jewish parents are not required to circumcise their sons.
/r/MensRights31/07/17 06:18 AM
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Wrong. Brit Shalom is a naming ceremony that omits the circumcision part. It's a legitimate Jewish naming ceremony!
/r/MensRights31/07/17 06:16 AM
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Have you ever heard of Brit Shalom? It's the same as Brit Milah, but without the circumcision part. Look into it, it's a much nicer alternative, and you still respect your Jewish faith. You are not required to circumcise your sons.
/r/MensRights31/07/17 06:16 AM
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Indeed it is. By defending circumcision, you're essentially allowing those involved in the practice to profit - at the expense of defenseless infants.
/r/MensRights31/07/17 06:13 AM
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If you're in favor of abortion rights, then it should be very easy to convince you that a man should have the right to decide what happens to his sexual anatomy as well, right?
/r/MensRights31/07/17 06:08 AM
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What? Like female genital mutilation? LOL
/r/MensRights31/07/17 06:06 AM
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These are the women I admire the most.
/r/MensRights28/07/17 10:57 PM
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Religion does not trump basic human rights. You can believe in whatever God you want to believe in. That should be your choice. What shouldn't be your choice is to inflict pain and damage on another person without their consent.
/r/MensRights28/07/17 10:55 PM
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I've never met anyone who says a clitoris or inner labia is attractive, either.
/r/MensRights26/07/17 09:16 PM
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That man is beyond delusional. I think deep down he's a nice guy but he was so traumatised by his own circumcision that he is so desperate to validate it so that it makes it easier for him to come to terms with what happened to him. I hope this makes sense. A lot of pro-cutters, you will find that deep down they hate the fact that they were cut but because of what they lost and the fact that they can never get it back they must deal with cognitive dissonance on a profound level. That dissonance …
/r/MensRights26/07/17 09:14 PM
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Or maybe you can't handle the cognitive dissonance. You need to realise that it is nasty to force any surgery on an infant without medical justification.
/r/MensRights26/07/17 09:06 PM
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I'm not a hypocrite. I am pro-life. But fanatics who shoot doctors are not pro-life!
/r/MensRights25/07/17 08:45 PM
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Didn't work here in Australia. Parents will go out of their way to do it, and isolate themselves as real idiots. Someone I know on Facebook bragged about it. If he were my brother I would have killed him.
/r/MensRights25/07/17 08:16 PM
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I was referring to the guys who shoot up abortion clinics. Not your typical protesters. They aren't fanatics. It's the ones who harrass, stalk, attack and kill that I'm referring to. And no, I am not for abortion at all. I disagree with it, but I am a male, so I would risk coming off as a hypocrite.
/r/MensRights25/07/17 08:08 PM
1

I second this. He should file for divorce and for custody.
/r/MensRights25/07/17 10:04 AM
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Best way I've been able to handle this, is to bring up abortion. If she is pro-choice on that issue, then ask her how she would feel if someone denied her an abortion based on the "scientific" evidence that "proves" that it is tantamount to murder. She might be one of those idiots who think that a child is their property. In that case, I'd suggest breaking up with her because you don't ever want to marry a woman who cannot even respect her son's genitals.
/r/MensRights25/07/17 09:44 AM
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A fucking WOMAN making decisions about the function and appearance of the genitals of the opposite sex. These women are worse than those male anti-abortion fanatics, and I thought they were bad enough...Nah, there are worse examples, and this bitch fits that description like an oversized glove! Any woman who wants to mutilate her son should have herself mutilated as well. May I suggest to her that she visit a plastic surgeon and ask them to remove her clitoral hood? Sounds about right, eh?
/r/MensRights25/07/17 09:36 AM
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The anti-circ movement is peaceful for the most part because they are not the type to be generally violent people. I can't say the same for the anti-abortion movement. A lot of the movement against abortion is about protecting "God's Image" which as we all know is a load of crap. Anti-circers are generally reluctant to use aggression because they are smart enough to understand that the strategy won't work (it won't) but the sky-fairy worshippers don't think there is anything wrong with killing a…
/r/MensRights24/07/17 11:02 AM
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Try explaining that to my friend who bragged about circing his son on facebook
/r/MensRights24/07/17 10:57 AM
2

Of course. Adults can consent.
/r/MensRights18/07/17 10:08 AM
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Doctors here in Australia rarely do it, more than 97% would not do it unless it there was a medical diagnosis justifying surgery. And the very small handful that do tend to use more conservative and less damaging methods like the Plastibell, which although it STILL causes harm, tends to be much more accurate than using tweezers/forceps and a scalpel like they did a few decades ago. Even still, it should be banned unless it is justified with a medical diagnosis. Period.
/r/MensRights18/07/17 05:56 AM
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Same here. Because she has an intact clitoris.
/r/MensRights18/07/17 05:53 AM
2

Indeed. Unfortunately, one of my friends fell victim to the lies spread by Brian Morris, and his son fell victim to this horrible thing. There are more than 4 or 5 doctors, there are at least a dozen that I can think of. Two are here on the Central Coast. My "friend"'s son was done, from reading his facebook comments, using a modern method. This is his post...all discernible information was scrubbed out. http://imgur.com/olPNJwG Irrespective, it's not good enough, and it needs to be banned. Hope…
/r/MensRights17/07/17 07:58 AM
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¯_(ツ)_/¯ ? ? ?
/r/MensRights17/07/17 07:28 AM
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A fucking WOMAN with INTACT GENITALS trying to justify male infant genital mutilation. She should be strapped down and have her clitoral hood forcibly removed, then she might come out of that with a different point of view. Seriously, this is why I don't care a fuck about feminists. Most of them are "fake" feminists...
/r/MensRights17/07/17 05:56 AM
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i believe in peace. don't make deals with devils. But the government doesn't. This isn't parents we're fighting, it's not even doctors we're fighting. It's the government we're fighting, and when they bring something to a final conclusion, especially one that requires them to change things to remove human rights abuses, it rarely goes down without the use of force in one way or another.
/r/MensRights17/07/17 05:43 AM
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Fair enough. I see the point. The ideal solution is to ban genital cutting for both sexes. That way you also eliminate the threats of violence/murder/extortion toward those who carry out these sexual mutilations. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
/r/MensRights16/07/17 10:38 PM
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Greediest Jews? Wow, some real antisemetic crap being spewed out here.
/r/MensRights16/07/17 10:35 PM
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Time to dig up the hatchet and get out the pitchforks.
/r/MensRights16/07/17 10:34 PM
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The father of a fetus should have zero legal power to decide whether or not a child is aborted. Likewise, the parents of a son should have zero legal right to cut his penis without a genuine medical reason.
/r/MensRights16/07/17 10:33 PM
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This sounds as stupid as saying that female circumcision should be legal because male circumcision is. Both should be illegal. No one should be harmed.
/r/MensRights16/07/17 10:29 PM
1

But the damage has already been done. heavy sigh
/r/MensRights15/07/17 08:22 AM
1

The whole thing just screams of a man who hates being circumcised, but is too selfish to put his pride aside and leave his son intact. And sadly, that theme plays itself out over and over again, on a massive scale.
/r/MensRights14/07/17 10:09 PM
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That and the fact that they were considering abortion due to "school year irritations" !!! Seriously these people shouldn't be allowed to pollute the gene pool with their poisonous garbage. They call themselves "pro-choice" but they are not really for choice at all. They're provably amongst the worst hypocrites imaginable. The woman who let him do this should have her clitoris removed.
/r/MensRights14/07/17 05:52 AM
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It isn't childish to assume that boys should have the same rights as girls and be protected from unnecessary surgery on their genitals. If there are medical conditions, serious or recurrent infections or other major problems then that's a different matter. But this rubbish about "hygiene" is insulting - it's as though we can't trust boys to clean themselves yet we trust girls to do the same thing. It's insulting to anyone who is capable of basic hygiene.
/r/MensRights13/07/17 01:47 AM
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Yep. Ironically, many of those who defend abortion also defend circumcision too - so I have to make every effort to point it out that they are contradicting themselves and that they are not really pro-choice. If they were really pro-choice they would have respected their son's choice in what happens to his penis and his body, especially when they know just how unnecessary circumcision really is, but for some reason they won't respect his body.
/r/MensRights04/07/17 11:53 AM
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Well I'm traumatized and I'm very, very hard to control.
/r/MensRights02/07/17 09:25 PM
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Yep. But why?
/r/MensRights01/07/17 11:12 AM
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It's going to take a huge push to change the mentalities that led to 56-79% of the American males to be circumcised. What's sad about this whole thing, is that circumcision actually started as a cure for masturbation. Interesting that girls get turned off by normal genitals. I wonder if their own genitals were forcibly mutilated that they'd offer the same opinion. If I were with a woman and she said that about my penis I'd tell her to fuck off, and it wouldn't be polite either.
/r/MensRights01/07/17 04:57 AM
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I know some people who had to get circumcised because they ripped their foreskin while fucking 😂😂 Well, this particular problem only affects a small minority of people. I don't see how circumcising an infant will necessarily prevent any disease. I'm not arguing that it's a low risk surgery, but it's being done to the genitals and there is no immediate medical justification. There is nothing nasty about choosing not to circumcise a baby...quite the contrary, I think it's nasty to subject a child …
/r/MensRights01/07/17 03:09 AM
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Whilst it is true that there are some pros, I really fail to see how they are relevant when people have: Access to soap and running water and basic hygiene, access to sex education, and being careful with who they choose as a sexual partner. Phimosis can often be treated with steroid ointments, rendering surgery a last resort. So I fail to see how forcing this on a baby will be beneficial, and can only really see the harm being done - the loss of nerve endings, the mechanical function of the for…
/r/MensRights01/07/17 02:34 AM
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Because it is considered normal. That might very well change at some point in the future. Wife beating and segregation both used to be considered normal in generations past. But they were eventually relegated to the dust bin of history. I believe the same fate awaits infant circumcision.
/r/MensRights01/07/17 02:30 AM
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The strange thing is the government prosecutes child sex offences with such vigour that it beggars belief as to why the government is not even trying to make this sickening act of child torture and mutilation illegal.
/r/MensRights01/07/17 01:43 AM
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And done for religious, cultural or cosmetic reasons...which are not genuine medical reasons...so it should be banned unless there is a genuine medical reason - which is rare.
/r/MensRights01/07/17 01:37 AM
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Then you would know that the foreskin is a very useful part of the penis. Non-therapeutic means: Done for religious, cultural, cosmetic, etc. reasons, and not for a genuine medical reason.
/r/MensRights01/07/17 01:36 AM
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What pros? Reduced sexual sensitivity, loss of thousands of nerve endings, loss of mechanical function of the foreskin? Why? Because it might take an intact man a few more seconds to clean his dick? WTF?
/r/MensRights01/07/17 01:34 AM
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Yes, there are accepted medical justifications for doing it...but forcing it on a baby when it is unnecessary is very unethical at the best of times.
/r/MensRights01/07/17 01:33 AM
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Well some people also do it for medical reasons... Yes, those I would regretfully agree with, but most circumcisions are not done for medical reasons. Usually they're done for reasons of religion or vanity.
/r/MensRights01/07/17 01:32 AM
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It is if there is no medical diagnosis and surgery isn't required. If someone wants to get it done, they can when they are old enough to consent, since most cases are either religious, cultural or cosmetic. It should be illegal and anyone doing it for those reasons should be jailed. Why do we jail drug dealers, but not the scum who hurt babies like this? Tell me.
/r/MensRights01/07/17 01:31 AM
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And he is probably pro-choice on abortion too...that's where the hypocrisy really comes out.
/r/MensRights01/07/17 12:53 AM
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the fact that it's socially accepted to mutilate boys' genitals But it's right up there with child molestation. That's why we are trying to bring this to the attention of people, so that this outrageous practice can be given the recognition that it truly deserves. People who do this to babies without medical justification (and there rarely is) should be locked up.
/r/MensRights01/07/17 12:53 AM
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Tear their nails up because you know, nails are gross and unhygienic. /S I need to steal that line. Best comeback argument I've ever heard. I'd love to say that to my friend who bragged about cutting his son on Facebook. I'd love to say that to his face.
/r/MensRights01/07/17 12:47 AM
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It's not circumcision itself that we are opposed to, it's when it's being done to an infant without his consent and without any accepted medical justification, that we are opposed to. If a man wants to cut his own penis, that's his prerogative. But forcing that upon his son without any medical justification (and believe me, that is actually rare) is beyond reprehensible.
/r/MensRights01/07/17 12:43 AM
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One of my friends did it to his son, and what's even more disturbing is the fact that he bragged about it on Facebook. http://imgur.com/olPNJwG I didn't even realise what had happened until earlier this year, this happened in mid 2015. When I saw the posts, I had another TDP cardiac episode. I have Long-QT Syndrome, so this could have actually killed me. I then went into a depression, and to be honest I don't think I've come out of it yet and I am expecting it to take a few more months before I …
/r/MensRights01/07/17 12:38 AM
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I've always put forth the argument that if someone calls themselves PRO-CHOICE on abortion, then they should leave their son's penis alone, because if they don't then they are not really pro-choice and they are really the worst kind of hypocrite imaginable.
/r/MensRights01/07/17 12:27 AM
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The whole reason behind all forms of genital mutilation - both male and female - was suppression of sexuality and removal of pleasure. Looking at it from this angle makes it very easy to condemn and hate people who do this to babies and children for non-therapeutic reasons.
/r/MensRights30/06/17 09:07 PM
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That should put an end to the silly "scientific" arguments used to prop up this barbarity.
/r/MensRights30/06/17 08:49 PM
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Yeah, my bad. I assumed it was in the US, since circumcisions without the parent's consent happened in the past.
/r/MensRights29/06/17 08:29 PM
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In the USA.
/r/MensRights29/06/17 08:11 PM
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It's true. You're the one with an intellectual handicap. Why else would the Nordics/Scandinavians not cut their sons. You cut your son. You are cut. Please get help. You need it badly. You need to stop denying what happened to you.
/r/MensRights29/06/17 08:09 PM
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Genital integrity is a basic human right. Not something only afforded to females. I will block you from my discussions. Please go and troll someone else.
/r/MensRights29/06/17 08:08 PM
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Okay, why aren't parents allowed to cut their daughter's clitoral hood for "hygiene" reasons?
/r/MensRights29/06/17 12:00 PM
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Parental rights don't include the right to cut your children's genitals unless there is a medical diagnosis and surgery is advisable. What part am I missing? Facts do matter, and the facts are that almost all infant circumcisions are unnecessary - otherwise you'd see the same circumcision rates irrespective of which western country you are looking at. Why don't parents in the Nordic countries circumcise their baby sons? Maybe because they understand that it is unnecessary nearly all of the time …
/r/MensRights29/06/17 11:58 AM
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99% of circumcisions are completely unnecessary. What happened to you that you have such a strong pro-circumcision stance?
/r/MensRights29/06/17 11:55 AM
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The same cops who, no doubt, would jump at the opportunity to bust someone for using cannabis...same cops say there is nothing wrong with sexually mutilating a baby.
/r/MensRights29/06/17 10:28 AM
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If the kid wants his penis operated on without being neccessary he can always decide when he is old enough.
/r/MensRights29/06/17 10:27 AM
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Actually, you are the psychopath because you are trying to defend infant genital cutting for non-therapeutic reasons. If it's not your dick, it's not yours to cut.
/r/MensRights29/06/17 10:26 AM
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That's been my point all along. When I mention the Nordic countries and the fact that their sexual health is better than the USA or Australia (where I live) in spite of circumcision being as rare as hens teeth. Guess what happens when I reply to a pro-circer with this information? They don't reply. I guess they realise they've been defeated. I have tried to tell my sister not to do this to her son if she has a son, but she still believes the hygiene bullshit. I even tried to get her to watch a v…
/r/askTRP26/06/17 08:43 PM
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Indeed he is. And I bet he is responsible for what happen to one of my friend's son. My friend even bragged about it on Facebook. He never mentioned Brian but I knew he had fallen for it. "And he used the biggest ring yeah hahahah" I was crying when I read his post. If he were my brother I would have beaten him up.
/r/MensRights26/06/17 08:16 PM
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What can I say? http://media.buzzle.com/media/images-en/gallery/symbols/hand-gestures/900-476890583-the-finger-hand-gestures.jpg Oh and your screen name is great. Fuck YOUR rules. It's NOT your dick, it belongs to your SON.
/r/MensRights26/06/17 08:31 AM
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This guy is pro-abortion too, which really makes a mockery of his pathetic argument that his son's penis shouldn't belong to his son but instead as a piece of fucking property. If this guy was my brother I would have whacked his head in with a brick without so much as the slightest hesitation. Seriously I would have killed him.
/r/MensRights26/06/17 08:28 AM
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Pick one: 1/ You have the right to control what happens to your body (that includes choosing whether you want to cut your own penis or not) 2/ You do not have the right to control what happens to your body because your parents can cut your penis without your consent. Pick one. I am being consistent. The right to choose DOES NOT include the right to cut someone else's penis, except your own. Got it?
/r/MensRights24/06/17 10:53 PM
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You are NOT pro choice because you DENIED your own sons the choice over what happens to their genitals. You don't care about freedom because you literally took that freedom away from your own children. If they wanted to cut their penises they could always choose to do it later on. And yes, infant genital mutilation is mostly based on profits, why else would the cosmetics industry be using foreskins in their skin creams?
/r/MensRights24/06/17 10:52 PM
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If a man doesn't have the right to decide what happens to his genitals then neither should a woman. That has been my whole fucking point all along. You've got two choices here. Either circumcision is banned or abortion is banned. Can't have it both ways. CHILDREN SHOULD EXPECT THAT THEIR FUCKING GENITALS WILL BE LEFT ALONE. THAT IS A BASIC FUCKING HUMAN RIGHT. IF YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT.
/r/MensRights24/06/17 09:45 PM
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If you are pro rights then what gives YOU the right to mutilate your son's genitals? Why should I care what YOU think when you couldn't even respect the basic human rights of your own children to the genitals that they were born with? As I said again, you are the hypocrite. You talk about bodily autonomy yet you couldn't even respect your son's genitals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/r/MensRights24/06/17 09:35 PM
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You're pro choice yet you couldn't respect your son's choices to decide what happens to their own fucking genitals. Yes you are a hypocrite. Personal rights do trump parasitic rights. Like the right of a baby boy to have his fucking penis left alone by parasitic "doctors" making profits from this unnecessary and extremely cruel practice. You are not pro choice you are pro abortion. Accept that much is true.
/r/MensRights24/06/17 09:30 PM
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Nah. You're the one who mutilated your sons genitals. You need the tissues. www.foreskinfunction.org There you go. Lists all the functions - one of the most important is sexual pleasure. Go and read it.
/r/MensRights23/06/17 06:47 AM
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Threatening and indeed even using violence to protect babies and children from genital mutilation is perfectly acceptable to me.
/r/MensRights23/06/17 06:45 AM
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Some people have too much pride to admit they fucked up. If anyone paid one of those sick fucks who run private circumcision "clinics" in Australia to mutilate my future baby nephew's penis I'd literally stop at nothing to kill whoever it was who took my sister's money to mutilate her boy. I'd be more than happy to do jail time to make sure that so-called "doctor" paid for what he did - and I'd probably mention a few other victims (one of my acquaintance's son was mutilated by one here on the NS…
/r/MensRights23/06/17 05:16 AM
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I've been nothing but civil besides my last few posts and got nothing but shat on all day. Civil? That's not how you treated your sons genitals. You agreed to have them mutilated. Nothing civil about that at all. Oh yes, I can swear my head off but at least I don't arrange to have a kid's sex organs mutilated!
/r/MensRights23/06/17 05:12 AM
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Uh, ok, so if the parents agree and that's all that matters, what do you have to say about female genital mutilation? Go on, tell us. What do you have to say about FGM being "agreed on" by both parents to mutilate their daughters. If female circumcision was legal would you support the parents' choice to circumcise their daughter(s)? I bet you wouldn't...that makes you a fucking hypocrite. Oh and I bet you are pro-abortion too. Even more hypocrisy.
/r/MensRights23/06/17 05:10 AM
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Why didn't you cut you daughters too?
/r/MensRights23/06/17 05:08 AM
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If you and your partner agreed with cutting your daughter's genitals, would that make it acceptable? Nah.
/r/MensRights23/06/17 05:04 AM
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Did you even bother to read my arguments? Nope. Fuck off. You are the one overstepping boundaries. And if anyone in my family did that to a baby I'd kill the sick fuck who cut my baby nephew's penis with my own bare hands.
/r/MensRights23/06/17 05:03 AM
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You talk about freedom. That also includes freedom FROM traumatic and degrading practices like circumcision.
/r/MensRights23/06/17 03:10 AM
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So if you both agreed on cutting your baby daughter's genitals, that would be OK too? Go fuck yourself. People like you are a dying breed. Fuck off.
/r/MensRights23/06/17 02:42 AM
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You also seem to really have an issue with personal freedoms. You seen to really have an issue with genital integrity and basic human rights of a child to have the healthy genitals he was born with. Freedom does not mean freedom to cut a baby's penis - unless there is a medical diagnosis and even then it's controversial. Most instances of genital cutting have fuck all to do with health and more to do with some egotistical arrogant idiot thinking that their son's penis is their property.
/r/MensRights23/06/17 02:41 AM
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Overstepping boundaries? Who the fuck are you to tell me that people trying to stop infant genital mutilation is overstepping boundaries? I'll tell you WHO is overstepping boundaries...it's the parents who think their son's fucking dick belongs to them and that they can cut their son's penis like it's a piece of property. Parents absolutely have the right to make medical decisions for their children. But cutting off healthy genital tissue WITHOUT a medical justification IS NOT one of them.
/r/MensRights23/06/17 02:39 AM
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Did you read my entire post? I'm drugged up to the eyeballs on psychiatric medication and I'm also taking Valproate on top of that. It's the only thing keeping me the least bit sane. I believe that if it were not for these medications, I'd probably have half a dozen murders behind me. The people who I would have killed would be those who are mutilating infants genitals and getting rich by roping in gullible parents and charging $600 to butcher their son's penis. I am being serious here. You know…
/r/MensRights18/06/17 03:33 AM
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Look sweetie, if women want the right to kill their unborn child using bodily autonomy as an argument, which I admit is not a bad argument, then they need to understand that their son's penis belongs to their son. Unfortunately people treat babies like property. And this is why I am sick of this society. For what it's worth, since coming down with PTSD in 2014, not a day has gone by that I haven't thought about overdosing on Nembutal and killing myself. At least it'd be painless and there would …
/r/MensRights17/06/17 04:54 AM
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My body my choice =/= my son's penis my choice. Big difference there. Absolutely. I was pointing out that she is a fucking hypocrite. She should consider herself lucky I'm not her brother. Seriously, I'd KILL someone who did that to any of my baby nephews. ESPECIALLY for fucking RELIGIOUS reasons. Cause of death would likely be a broken neck or massive head trauma. I'm fucking sick of PRO-ABORTION (NOT pro-choice) fucktards defending infant genital mutilation. They are NOT pro-choice, they are p…
/r/MensRights17/06/17 04:37 AM
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we can agree to disagree on this one And this is why I am no longer pro-choice on abortion. Too many fucking hypocrites who believe in abortion rights because of bodily autonomy then fail to respect the basic human rights of their children NOT to have their genitals mutilated. Go read up. You removed the most sexually sensitive part of your son's dick. According to your logic: People have the right to KILL an unborn child because of this stupid "bodily autonomy" argument, but I guess they have t…
/r/MensRights17/06/17 04:34 AM
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who cares. Does your son stand by it? Did he consent to it? Did you ever ask the person who was cut if he wanted to be cut? No? Well then you basically okayed him getting raped him with a knife. Yes, she is OK with that. Oh, and she has no problem with abortion, either. Being pro-choice is supposed to be about respecting the CHOICES of other people, right? So that includes respecting HER SON'S choice to decide what happens to his fucking penis, yes? Sure it does...but not to this poor woman. Jes…
/r/MensRights16/06/17 11:28 PM
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But you just said you're pro-choice on abortion, so that more or less flies in the face of religion, doesn't it? The comparison to female circumcision is really not a valid one IMO. Oh, really? Yes it is, both are done for religious reasons. Both are JUST AS BARBARIC as each other. You are embarrasing yourself by claiming otherwise. Hold down a baby or child, and mutilate their genitals. Yep. They are the same thing. Just because one may do more damage than the other, doesn't change the fact tha…
/r/MensRights16/06/17 11:26 PM
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So you're a hypocrite then? Nice one. You think it's OK for a woman to snuff out an unborn child because it's her body, yet you can't respect your son's body and his genitals? Jesus fucking Christ, I'm so sick and tired of the human race. With letting a woman choose abortion, there is something at stake - an unborn child. With letting your son choose what happens to his dick, there is nothing at stake - your son gets to keep the most sensitive part of his dick intact. Why couldn't you respect yo…
/r/MensRights16/06/17 11:03 PM
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Want to know how many boys are mutilated at birth because of right wing religious nuts? Feminism is not the problem, it is a symptom of the problem. I'd say this all boils down to cultural "norms" or whatever they call it this week. It's a good thing the intactivists are getting stronger and stronger by the day. Hopefully with enough diligence we can put this peculiar institution of legal genital mutilation behind us. I suffer from PTSD since 2014 as a result of watching this happen to a baby. I…
/r/MensRights16/06/17 09:52 AM
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THE RIGHT TO INTACT GENITALS.
/r/MensRights16/06/17 06:52 AM
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Unfortunately the law isn't written to allow just these edge cases, but more generally allows it without medical reasons. Of course. Europe is leading the way in this regard, at least they restrict abortions to the first trimester, at least in the Nordic countries. I'm not sure whether we believe that is a reasonable, albeit arbitrary measure or not, but at least it's better than what we have in the US and Australia.
/r/MensRights14/06/17 04:46 AM
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It is worth considering. Deep down I am still very much pro-life, and have been that way all my life. What I was referring to was where a woman's life is threatened or at imminent risk of a medical emergency. One of my neighbors died as a result of a stroke. I was told (second hand information mind you) that she was advised to have an abortion because of the risk of dangerously high blood pressure. But she was totally against the idea. Ultimately she died due to an episode of extremely high bloo…
/r/MensRights14/06/17 03:11 AM
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I totally agree that a fetus is a human. The key argument in protecting access to abortion is the woman's health. For right or wrong, most European countries actually have much more stringent abortion laws than the USA does. All that, in spite of an extremely low infant circumcision rate. I agree with you here. The USA and Australia should learn something from Europe. At least Europe or most thereof got at least one thing right. Banning circumcision, unless there is a genuine medical diagnosis o…
/r/MensRights14/06/17 03:02 AM
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I agree with most of what you say here. But I've often wondered what the true reason was behind the legalisation of abortion. I've often looked at the arguments, but then realise that the "bodily autonomy" argument makes little sense because infant circumcision is legal (and often encouraged) and people still go to prison over cannabis - and then add the fact that abortion was legalised decades ago. It really makes you wonder what is really behind the whole thing.
/r/MensRights13/06/17 10:59 PM
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I never said I support abortion. I don't. But if I want future men to have the right over their own penis, then wouldn't it be hypocritical to deny women the right over their uterus?
/r/MensRights13/06/17 08:11 PM
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Sounds promising. Hopefully Australia continues down that path and eventually makes it illegal with the only exception being a specific medical diagnosis or condition where surgery to the genitals is being considered as a last resort. I personally have a friend whose son required a circumcision - he suffered recurrent infections and obviously everything was tried but failed to work, so in this case surgery was appropriate.
/r/MensRights13/06/17 08:27 AM
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None whatsoever. As horrible as that sounds, women are the ones carrying the fetus. Likewise if I wanted to donate one of my kidneys, no woman has the right to tell me I can't. Generally I consider myself pro-choice, but recent arguments with feminists defending infant circumcision has left me very reluctant to defend abortion. But at the end of the day, it's the woman's physical and mental health at stake. If we want to outlaw infant circumcision then we would need to respect bodily autonomy, e…
/r/MensRights13/06/17 08:10 AM
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Normally...except when it comes to infant circumcision.
/r/MensRights13/06/17 08:05 AM
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Are you pro-choice on abortion? If so, then why didn't you respect your son's right to choose what happens to his penis? This is what pisses me off so much about this issue. There is just unbelievable amounts of hypocrisy that it just makes me feel so worthless.
/r/MensRights12/06/17 11:23 PM
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Ok. You don't need to be a muslim to understand the similarities. Are you pro-choice on abortion rights? If you are, then attacking circumcision should be very easy, since you believe in bodily autonomy and the right to privacy and security of person - and circumcision BRUTALLY violates that principle. Those who are pro-choice on abortion yet refuse to see circumcision as wrong, as unnecessary and harmful as it is, would have to be amongst the worst hypocrites of all.
/r/MensRights12/06/17 08:17 PM
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Unless you are a parent talking about your son's one on Facebook http://imgur.com/olPNJwG
/r/MensRights12/06/17 11:51 AM
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The comparison to female circumcision is really not a valid one IMO. Uh, yes it is. If you were a devout muslim and the Koran prescribed that your daughter should have her labia and clitoral hood removed, would you do it?
/r/MensRights12/06/17 11:49 AM
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They'll find another excuse As they always do...
/r/MensRights12/06/17 11:47 AM
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http://imgur.com/olPNJwG 2 years ago...well, almost. Made me sick to my stomach. I never found out until March this year. In 2014 and 2015 I was having major problems with PTSD caused, strangely enough, by watching a baby boy being circumcised. In 2015 things were very bad and I was on the verge of suicide. I was saved by the fact that my sister took me to see the doctor and I was prescribed anti-depressants again...like I'd been on the damned things for 10+ years at that point. Had I seen this …
/r/MensRights12/06/17 11:31 AM
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http://imgur.com/olPNJwG 2 years ago...well, almost. Made me sick to my stomach. I never found out until March this year. In 2014 and 2015 I was having major problems with PTSD caused, strangely enough, by watching a baby boy being circumcised. In 2015 things were very bad and I was on the verge of suicide. I was saved by the fact that my sister took me to see the doctor and I was prescribed anti-depressants again...like I'd been on the damned things for 10+ years at that point. Had I seen this …
/r/MensRights12/06/17 11:25 AM
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I don't think it's paedophillia though. It's close enough, eh?
/r/MensRights12/06/17 11:05 AM
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It really makes me believe that there is something larger going on. There is...it involves lots of money. All those foreskins are potentially worth billions. Facial creams, fibroblast cell cultures, the list goes on and on. Oh, and whoever sells that funny Plast-i-pex device must be in on it as well.
/r/MensRights12/06/17 11:04 AM
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There goes the silly "penile cancer" argument used by pro-circumcision fanatics...LOL
/r/MensRights12/06/17 11:02 AM
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that society keeps doing it, that no one seems to care... Hopefully this whole sad state of affairs will one day be behind us.
/r/MensRights12/06/17 10:58 AM
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You see this with children who are abused by their parents too. They often go on to abuse their own children. All forms of abuse tend to create a cycle of abuse that can span generations. It takes intelligence to break the cycle. Nearly all genital cutting falls within this general space. It's a victim creating the next victim...
/r/MensRights12/06/17 10:12 AM
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Precisely.
/r/MensRights12/06/17 05:51 AM
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And then infant circumcision will be banned.
/r/MensRights12/06/17 05:51 AM
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The problem with these articles promoting circumcision - is the studies are biased due to cultural norms, religious affiliations, or the fact that circumcision is a highly lucrative business. But they never want to admit it. They know that circumcision is wrong but they are in denial. They know how important the foreskin is to normal male sexuality but because they don't have one, because they were robbed of theirs at birth, they want to downplay studies or information that proves these health b…
/r/MensRights08/06/17 06:40 AM
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Yes but some people just don't get it. I understand the hypocrisy that he pointed out, but violent thugs like War Machine belong in the slammer. What he did was inexcusable. If he was a quiet and peaceful man who choked his girlfriend to near death because she had his son circumcised behind his back then I'd probably set him free, but just because she fell in love with another man who wasn't treating her like shit, doesn't give him the right to hurt her.
/r/MensRights08/06/17 04:13 AM
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Nice to know you see the hypocrisy here, yet you refuse to see the hypocrisy with little girl's genitals being protected from mutilation but not little boys. Pot. Kettle. Black.
/r/MensRights08/06/17 04:10 AM
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Uh huh, so you're now defending a thug who nearly killed two people and who has a string of felonies to his name. Ah, now I see why you don't see a problem with taking sharp objects to baby boy's pricks. Uh huh, I get it now. Defend thugs and child sexual assault. Gee, I thought you were better than that. Hmmm. Methinks you need to look at yourself in the mirror :/
/r/MensRights08/06/17 04:09 AM
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What do you mean? I said feminists are supposed to be leaders of human rights. Those human rights include the right to keep the genitals you were born with and not have bits of your penis chopped off on a whim. Any so-called "feminist" who supports infant genital mutilation is a fake feminist and an insult to the human race.
/r/MensRights08/06/17 03:44 AM
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People who don't wake up everyday, praying they make it through without killing themselves, won't ever know what it's like to have such a crippling chemical imbalance. I am one of those people who try to keep myself distracted just so I can stay alive. But recently the distractions haven't been working and now I'm in a real bind - not sure if I'll see out the rest of the year. For all I know I could literally only have days or weeks to live. It's scary but for me it's reality. PTSD from watching…
/r/MensRights08/06/17 03:35 AM
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Yes, maybe we are. But some feminists want to protect baby boys from having sharp objects taken to their private parts - the true feminists, and then there are others who don't - they are what I call fake feminists.
/r/MensRights08/06/17 03:30 AM
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It's funny how they push the HPV argument to cut up little boy's penises... Well I guess the HPV vaccine would nip that argument in the bud. Oh but the baby dick cutters will find some other excuse or rationalization to push their agenda. Well, maybe there is just too much fucking money being made in the infant genital mutilation industry.
/r/MensRights08/06/17 03:28 AM
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I bet if they had banned infant circumcision decades ago when they were advised to by the feminists, I bet there would be far less misogyny today. But nope, they couldn't offend the sensibilities of certain groups of people, so boy's rights had to take a back seat. Now we're paying for it. That's sad but it was predictable.
/r/MensRights08/06/17 03:25 AM
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Genital mutilation = genital mutilation unless there is a prior medical diagnosis and surgery is used as a last resort. 99% of all circumcisions are genital mutilation, the other 1% perhaps even less, might actually be legitimate therapeutic surgery. Same goes for females. We protect little girls, but little boys? Nah, they don't have rights, yeah hahahah Fucking sick of this disgusting society. So fed up.
/r/MensRights08/06/17 03:22 AM
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Circumcision is not currently viewed as a crime and many drugs are Which is a problem. The former is a serious crime against humanity, the latter are substances. Nobody harms someone simply by possessing drugs. Cutting a baby's penis, on the other hand, well, fuck me dead.
/r/MensRights07/06/17 08:13 PM
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Why is it that religion can't be used to defend drug use (eg. psychedelics, etc) yet it is used to defend mutilating the genitals of defenceless babies and children? Have fun explaining that. If the government can throw people in prison for drug use (which is REALLY none of anyone's business except the person using the drugs) they can just as easily throw people in prison for sexually assaulting infants and children. Genital mutilation is a very real form of rape, no matter how you look at it. U…
/r/MensRights07/06/17 03:17 AM
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The problem is this shit starts in infancy. Fix that problem first and the rest might be a little easier.
/r/MensRights06/06/17 10:35 PM
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You're preaching to the choir ;)
/r/MensRights06/06/17 10:28 PM
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Well, if the government has the authority to tell us what drugs we're allowed to use, then it stands to reason they can tell people to stop mutilating kid's genitals. It's really not that hard to comprehend.
/r/MensRights06/06/17 11:31 AM
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They listen to legislation Yep, that's right. The threat of jail works pretty well. They also listen when someone threatens to cave their skull in. Especially if the person making the threat is an ex-powerlifter, MMA practitioner, and weighs over 110kg. Legislate that all babies need all protective skin removed from genitals to decrease sexual desire in adulthood. Or legislate that all babies have the basic human right to the genitals they were born with and that any surgery/procedure that alter…
/r/MensRights06/06/17 01:52 AM
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cutting is a human rights violation if u want to eradicate it, force it on all till the woman back down and it's done to nobody You may be right, that level of extremity might be what it will take to eradicate infant circumcision, but I think there are better ways to achieve the same end. The best way to do this is to highlight the similarities in the arguments used to justify it within the various cultures where it is done. Once people realise the similarities they will understand that both are…
/r/MensRights06/06/17 12:00 AM
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Yep. You are right. He is. He wants to argue that it's OK to cut up little boy's penises, obviously. Just because circumcision has been happening for thousands of years doesn't mean it's right. So has slavery, so has wife-beating and other human rights abuses!
/r/MensRights05/06/17 09:08 PM
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Thousands of years ago, yes I realise it happened. But no one has any right to cut a baby's genitals unless there is a prior medical diagnosis. You can't support men's rights unless you make men equal to women - that is, ban ALL forms of genital cutting both male and female unless there is a medical diagnosis that makes it necessary. And I'm talking mainly about the USA, and Australia (where I live). Seems to be a popular thing. Why? Don't know, don't care, it's a human rights violation.
/r/MensRights05/06/17 09:01 PM
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Was the ancient custom of circumcision of baby boys and girls in the middle done so victorian boys wouldn't jerk off? Not sure. Much of it was tribal. Stop calling me a troll. The right to genital integrity is a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT. Period. And yes, without my foreskin I doubt sexual sensitivity would be the same. Sorry I'm just tell you like it is. BTW are you circumcised? If so, then that would explain why you don't know that the foreskin is in fact highly erogenous tissue.
/r/MensRights05/06/17 08:40 PM
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Likelihood of reoffending is commonly considered when handing out sentences. Uh, okay. So if I break someone's neck because they bragged about cutting their baby son's penis, and either kill them or disable them, I shouldn't get a long prison sentence, because the likelihood of reoffending would be low?
/r/MensRights05/06/17 08:16 PM
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Two wrongs don't make a right. Of course. She should rot in jail. That's where she belongs. She could have given up the girl for adoption, but nah, she just unceremoniously dumped the poor baby girl in a trashcan. Throw the book at her. No sympathy, she had other options.
/r/MensRights05/06/17 08:15 PM
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Excuse me???!!! She dumped a defenseless baby girl into a trashcan. Throw the fucking book at her. What a heartless human being...er, I mean monster. Going by your logic, we shouldn't jail drug dealers either, because jailing costs money, jailing won't fix anything, and the rest.
/r/MensRights05/06/17 08:13 PM
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Your reasons seem shallow. U need to go further back in history to understand why these practices started. Didn't you read this part of my post: "That's why they cut boys during the Victoria era. To curb masturbation by reducing the amount of pleasure they could feel." They adopted the practice to stop boys from masturbating. That's all there is to it. No pleasure from the foreskin? WTF? Are you joking? Mine is exquisitely sensitive. And it has more blood vessels and nerves than any other part o…
/r/MensRights05/06/17 07:40 PM
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The reason the circumcise boys these days is so they don't have to clean their dicks when they pee. You really believe that? Going by that logic, they should circumcise girls too, so they don't need to clean all those folds of skin ever time they pee either..LOL BTW, they actually started cutting boys to stop them from masturbating - or so they thought - it didn't stop them of course...but the foreskin is of the most pleasurable parts - it has more nerve endings and blood vessels than any other …
/r/MensRights05/06/17 12:11 PM
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Females actually have more rights than men. Intact genitals and all. What about men? As babies someone can take sharp objects to their dicks. I'd say men and women are NOT equal at all.
/r/MensRights05/06/17 08:33 AM
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True feminism is not a clinical disorder. True feminists want to be equal to men. Fake feminism certainly is. False feminists want to be above men.
/r/MensRights05/06/17 12:48 AM
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And yes it does make perfect sense -- if you are paid a fat pay check to promote feminism. Take away the money, and what motivation do people have to promote the rights of one gender over another? This is why male genital mutilation (circumcision) is still legal. Because a bunch of fucking scum are making money torturing little baby boys.
/r/MensRights05/06/17 12:47 AM
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Of course, because they're both fucking humans.
/r/MensRights05/06/17 12:46 AM
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Clap all you like. This vile practice will be banned in my life time, and I look forward to the day when it is. Then I can throw a nice party and sleep better at night.
/r/MensRights05/06/17 12:45 AM
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Maybe because a ban limits rights What about when those rights involve torturing the genitals of a defenceless baby boy? Your argument would make sense if we were talking about, say, drug use, or prostitution, or choosing what pet snake I'm allowed to keep (eg. a corn snake, which is illegal in Australia), or various other things that DO NOT HARM OTHERS. Circumcision is different, and you know damn well it is.
/r/MensRights05/06/17 12:43 AM
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Maybe most societies, especially in the West, value the right of the parents to choose what happens to their children over the government? Um, then in that case, why aren't parents allowed to choose to cut off their daughter's clitoral hood for the same reasons? Why aren't parents allowed to remove their daughter's breast buds in case she gets breast cancer? You know, there's things thing called ETHICS. It might pay to learn about what that word means one day.
/r/MensRights05/06/17 12:42 AM
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Here's proof that circumcision is, essentially, harmful. http://foreskinfunction.org/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17155977 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17378847 Circumcision may lead to need for increased care and medical attention in the first 3 years of life: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9393302 Beneficial for whom? How is this medically beneficial when there is no medical diagnosis to justify it? Circumcision policy is influenced by psycho-social factors rather than alleged…
/r/MensRights05/06/17 12:40 AM
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Look, if it's legal to kill an unborn child, it should be legal to kill anyone who mutilates a baby's genitals. If an unborn child doesn't have rights, then neither does anyone who mutilates infants genitals. End of discussion.
/r/MensRights04/06/17 08:54 PM
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I want to kill myself because I am sick of fighting for the basic human rights of a fucking child. And I'm sick of people who want rights for themselves but want to deny those same rights to a fucking baby. They are NOT YOUR FUCKING GENITALS.
/r/MensRights04/06/17 05:22 AM
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So you don't believe in the human right to intact genitals? Nice. So you shouldn't complain when parents cut off part of their daughter's genitals then. Um, Ok. Goodbye. I'm done with you. Buh bye! It's the fucking CHILD'S choice what happens to their fucking genitals unless there is a medical diagnosis that fucking proves otherwise. Fuck you!
/r/MensRights04/06/17 05:20 AM
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Go fuck yourself. You don't care about human rights, only parental authority.
/r/MensRights04/06/17 05:18 AM
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The health organisations who promote circumcision do so BECAUSE THEY GET FUCKING PAID TO DO INFANT CIRCUMCISIONS!!! You're a fucking monster. Fuck off.
/r/MensRights04/06/17 05:17 AM
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There is science that proves that abortion kills an unborn child. So why can't you accept that science???!!!
/r/MensRights04/06/17 05:17 AM
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So you're a fucking hypocrite then. Nice one! Men and women have the right to DECIDE what happens to their genitals. Would you cut your daughter's genitals if there were "proven" health benefits? No? Seriously it's people like you who are the reason I want to kill myself because I can't bear to be around people who violate the rights of defenseless children whilst protecting their own rights. Abortion should be banned because you don't want to protect the rights of children to not have their gen…
/r/MensRights04/06/17 05:15 AM
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Respecting a child's right to genital integrity is not hypocrisy nor is it lying. Please stop embarassing yourself. Are you prochoice on abortion? If so, there is "science" that proves abortion takes life. But the right of a woman to choose what happens to her body is more important to the government, so it isn't too much to ask of the government to protect the genital integrity of babies and children. Either infant circumcision is banned or abortion is banned. You can't have it both ways.
/r/MensRights04/06/17 05:10 AM
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Straw man? WHAT THE FUCK????????!!!!!!!!!!????!!!!!!! If you don't believe in bodily autonomy then stop right here. Removing girl's breast buds would prevent breast cancer. That is objective science. Try and fucking argue with it. Good luck fucktard.
/r/MensRights04/06/17 05:06 AM
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http://circumcisionharm.org/ Health benefits my fucking arse. There are almost none, and if there are they are so marginal as to be unimportant. Your son's genital integrity and sexual integrity is much more important and to say otherwise is just making an idiot of yourself.
/r/MensRights04/06/17 05:05 AM
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There is long term harm it's just that people whose penis was cut at birth has nothing to compare it with. I bet if you asked an intact man if he wanted to be circumcised for theoretical "health benefits" he'd tell you to piss off. Would you push for the government to have control over what parents to do to their DAUGHTER'S genitals? Yep because it's mutilation and it's illegal, as should cutting your son's penis.
/r/MensRights04/06/17 05:03 AM
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It's not propaganda it's the fucking TRUTH. http://circumcisionharm.org/
/r/MensRights04/06/17 05:01 AM
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Really, they are pro-choice for the patient. It's your son's fucking dick, not yours. It's his choice unless there is a medical diagnosis that required a circumcision, which although regretful, was medically necessary. Most circumcisions are NOT medically necessary. And if you're pro-choice on abortion, then you're a hypocrite because you think bodily autonomy only applies to one group of people and not others.
/r/MensRights04/06/17 05:00 AM
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Troll alert! Troll alert!! Troll alert!!!
/r/MensRights04/06/17 04:55 AM
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That's the funny thing. People like to slice up kid's dicks because they can legally get away with it and use "science" arguments to back their decisions. Many of them are also pro-abortion fanatics in spite of the "science" that proves abortion kills. When I point this out to them, guess what they do? Go silent and sulk in a corner.
/r/MensRights04/06/17 04:54 AM
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It's a personal choice for YOU if you want to butcher your own sex organs. Doing it to a fucking baby is a different story. So much for personal choice, eh?
/r/MensRights04/06/17 04:52 AM
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The sad part is that people like this scream from the rooftops about how abortion is sacrosanct because of bodily autonomy - yet these same people have no problem strapping down a baby boy and carving their will into his penis. These people use "science" to back their decision. But the funny thing here is that "science" proves abortion is the killing of an unborn child. When I explain that "science" to them, guess what they do? They go silent. Frankly the whole thing is a pure power play. Less t…
/r/MensRights04/06/17 04:50 AM
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This is the point I've been trying to get across to so-oooo many fucktards on here. They just don't seem to get it, they don't seem to understand that circumcision is really sexual assault covered under a veneer of "health benefits" or "culture". One of my friends did this to his son and then bragged about it on Facebook. If anyone in my family did this to a defenseless baby today and bragged about it on social media they wouldn't live long.
/r/MensRights04/06/17 04:42 AM
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Why do you defend infant genital mutilation?
/r/MensRights04/06/17 02:44 AM
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Intactivists...eh? Are you pro-choice on abortion? Just answer the question for me, please.
/r/MensRights04/06/17 02:44 AM
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Shame on YOU. It's genital mutilation. What part of the word mutilate do you have trouble understanding? You better not be against FGM (most common forms are similar to infant circumcision) otherwise you're a hypocrite as well.
/r/MensRights04/06/17 02:41 AM
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The data in one MRI circumcision study indicated that circumcision affected most intensely the portions of the brain associated with reasoning, perception and emotions. It's no wonder so many circumcised men can't see the value in leaving their own sons penis alone. Of course, I can't blame them, because they were deprived of their own genital integrity, but I feel pity for them.
/r/MensRights02/06/17 10:57 PM
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Circumcision was made popular to control men's sexuality. Now it's going because of the misandrist first world and because it makes profits. That's been my argument and point all along, but some ignorant circumcision fanatics seem to ignore the whole reason why it became popular in the first place. If we didn't have this desire to stop boys from masturbating (which is normal sexual behaviour) in the first place, circumcision would have died out a long time ago and I wouldn't have to threaten to …
/r/MensRights02/06/17 10:53 PM
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the medical reasons why circumcision is recommended by doctors? Doctors who make lots of money by parents who pay money to mutilate an infant?
/r/MensRights02/06/17 10:52 PM
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yet we don't remove breast nubs to prevent breast cancer. wow. That's the best one-liner I can come up with, but hey, most men who were cut as babies don't seem to understand common sense. They don't have a foreskin, so don't value it, I bet if they had a foreskin they'd have a different point of view.
/r/MensRights02/06/17 10:51 PM
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I bet you just jumped on the "DON'T CIRCUMCISE BABIES" bandwagon before you used some common sense and looked this shit up... Common sense? Common sense says DON'T BUTCHER BABY BOYS. It is medically UNNECESSARY. Easier to wash? WHAT THE FUCK? I am not circumcised, and it takes me more time an effort to floss one fucking tooth than it does to clean my dick. Decreased risks of infections/STDIs/genital problems...really? What are the reductions in the overall risks? Less than 2%... And you want to …
/r/MensRights02/06/17 10:49 PM
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If you're pro-choice on abortion, then you're not pro-choice, you are pro-abortion. Because you think men shouldn't have rights over their own genitals, which would defeat the point above. You either have rights or you don't. And if you don't, then neither should anyone else...that's called equality.
/r/MensRights02/06/17 10:39 PM
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And I bet you'd be happy if you were a little girl in Somalia who had her clitoris amputated at a young age. Genital mutilation is still wrong, no matter how you slice it.
/r/MensRights02/06/17 10:36 PM
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Funny enough many of the same women who defend mutilation of defenseless boys also defend abortion. Weird, eh? They want bodily autonomy but fuck the rights of a defenseless baby boy to keep the fucking penis he was born with. With each passing day, I feel like I hate this world more and more. When will it end? Probably when I die of a heart attack or top myself.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 01:34 AM
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Another reason why I want to kill myself. Great, eh?
/r/MensRights24/05/17 01:31 AM
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Top notch post. I'm not anti-semetic in any way shape or form, but circumcision "Brit Milah" should be replaced by "Brit Shalom" which is a much nicer scenario for the baby and his future sex life.
/r/MensRights20/05/17 10:09 PM
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My point exactly. It's not the religion, it's the behaviour If Christianity prescribed the killing of those who committed blasphemy, would any country have any respect for that kind of extreme behaviour? No? So why would infant/child genital mutilation not be considered extreme?
/r/MensRights10/05/17 09:07 PM
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they are not pretending when they say they will kill and die over the practice of their faith and I appreciate that And I am not pretending when I say I will kill or die over protecting a defenseless baby boy or girl from being sexually mutilated.
/r/MensRights10/05/17 09:05 PM
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I often ask people who defend infant genital mutilation (which circumcision most assuredly is) whether they are pro-choice. If they they turn out to be pro-choice then it makes the job of convincing them that they should also respect their son's body and by extension, his penis, that much easier. Let's face it, with respecting the right to choose abortion there is an unborn child at stake but with denying abortion the woman's mental and/or physical health is at stake. A very difficult dilemma. B…
/r/MensRights10/05/17 05:47 AM
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I think that might be taking it a little too far, but I would agree his God is a very cruel - and hypocritical - one.
/r/MensRights10/05/17 02:42 AM
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So why don't you support a ban on abortion? Some people consider it murder - a LOT of people mind you. If, as you say, your God is command-oriented, like a "dictatorship" then why isn't your God condemning abortion? Is it because your God is a hypocrite?
/r/MensRights10/05/17 02:40 AM
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My point exactly. I wonder what lawstuff11325 would have to say if his religion banned a woman from having an abortion? Would he let his religion "dictate" the status quo in that example? I bet it wouldn't - which is why I think most people who defend infant circumcision are nothing more than hypocrites.
/r/MensRights10/05/17 02:38 AM
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Do you support a woman's right to choose abortion ? If you do, then why is respecting your son's body and his genital integrity too much to ask of you? In the case of supporting a woman's right to choose abortion there is much more at stake - an unborn child. What is at stake in letting your son have the genitals he was born with? Nothing. Your son gets to keep all the parts of the penis he was born with. There is nothing at stake in allowing your son to decide if he wants to get a circumcision …
/r/MensRights10/05/17 02:36 AM
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Yes but it's long for a reason - to make them think. I will do a revision and shorten it down a bit, might make it half the size. While trying to keep the main points. I think it is still important to highlight how the trauma affected me so that they don't think I'm just sounding emotional.
/r/MensRights08/05/17 08:08 PM
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I wouldn't let the parents completely off the hook, at least not in all cases. I'm not. In fact I'm about to write a letter to someone who bragged about it on facebook. I'll PM you the original letter. It should hopefully make his partner realise just how wrong it was. And that letter is true to my word.
/r/MensRights08/05/17 12:30 PM
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My thoughts exactly.
/r/MensRights08/05/17 03:51 AM
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I fantasise about hurting anyone who does this to babies. It's not so much the parents, it's the scumbags who get paid $600 every time they slice up a baby boy. Here in Australia they have long waiting lists. The way things are headed, they must have a death wish because I am pretty sure someone is going to end up hurting them or worse. It's only a matter of time before someone gets it. This problem is only going to get worse unless they put an end to it.
/r/MensRights08/05/17 02:55 AM
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And it will.
/r/MensRights06/05/17 06:22 AM
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Ever heard of Brit Shalom? As someone who has some Jewish ancestry I was told of this "Ceremony of Peace" Much better and happier than taking a sharp object to a defenceless baby's penis!!!
/r/MensRights20/04/17 10:36 AM
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Yeah it is. Circumcision was introduced into western society as a way to stop boys from masturbating...as if sexual pleasure is a fucking curse or something. Humanity is a sick and fucked up creation. Does God exist? If he does he's one sick cunt if he allows this shit to happen in the 21st century.
/r/MensRights20/04/17 10:34 AM
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Try telling that to someone who is clearly in denial. Men who have been mutilated as infants try as hard as they can to justify what was done to them. It's really very sad. As an intact man I truly feel sorry for them.
/r/MensRights19/04/17 08:51 PM
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Sex education, not genital cutting?
/r/MensRights19/04/17 08:50 PM
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One of the most powerful arguments.
/r/MensRights19/04/17 08:49 PM
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And there are even more STIs suffered by women. Shall we circumcise the girls too? Clitoral hood removal may offer some health benefits too, but it's a federal offense to cut girls. Go figure. Scientifically one could argue that abortion is killing another human - but women have the right to control what happens to their sexual anatomy so why the hell can't men?!
/r/MensRights19/04/17 08:49 PM
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These are the arguments I use.
/r/MensRights19/04/17 08:46 PM
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No one cares about potential benefits when we are talking about severing one of the most sensitive parts of the penis. I am sure if you looked hard enough you could find potential benefits for removing a girl's clitoral hood, but let us not get too carried away LOL
/r/MensRights19/04/17 08:43 PM
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Potential benefits but ACTUAL loss of a sensitive part of the penis. I'm sold :rolleyes:
/r/MensRights19/04/17 08:41 PM
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law makers WYF???!!!???!!! Why law makers?
/r/MensRights19/04/17 08:39 PM
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Good. We've been told repeatedly that a person has the right to control what happens to their body, that they have a right to privacy and a right to security of person. This was why abortion was legalised in every State of the USA in 1973. Why can't the same principles apply to both male AND female genital cutting? That is, why can't both these degrading and absolutely disgusting human rights violations be legally recognised as serious crimes? All genital cutting of girls is a serious crime. Why…
/r/MensRights16/04/17 11:05 PM
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If a man doesn't have the right to control what happens to his sexual anatomy then neither should a woman. That would mean outlawing abortion on demand. Let's see how that flies, shall we? [SARCASM MODE:ON]
/r/MensRights11/04/17 08:49 AM
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For what it's worth, I was seriously considering getting myself cut because I have a small but painful ring of "white" tissue on the inside of my foreskin which makes spontaneous sex difficult and often painful, but I decided against getting cut because I realised that the loss of the protective covering would result in me ending up with a numb knob. I'm not entirely convinced that the foreskin is THE most sensitive part but mine is still reasonably sensitive, and it would be if it were not for …
/r/MensRights11/04/17 08:27 AM
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My point exactly. If a woman did that to me while I was hypothetically protesting infant circ I'd just tell her the following: Her body, her rights - which is why abortion is legal and all forms of female genital cutting are illegal. His body, his rights - which is why infant circumcision SHOULD be illegal! Simple as that.
/r/MensRights11/04/17 07:47 AM
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I'd love to see her reaction if someone asked her what her opinion was on abortion rights. I wonder how she'd feel if female genital cutting was legal in the US, and she was being accosted and harassed and verbally abused, by men? These people need to fuck off and die.
/r/MensRights10/04/17 07:40 AM
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Gazillion would be a nice fine. Sadly it is only $2000. I'd be happy to collect $2000 if I could: 1/ break their necks and, 2/ be immune from prosecution
/r/MensRights07/04/17 11:59 PM
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You should have asked that girl if she supported the right to an abortion, and when she said yes, you should have called her out as someone who supports murder. That doesn't sound all that fair either, but I've said it once and I'm going to say it again - if a man has no right to control what happens to his reproductive anatomy then neither should a woman. And true.
/r/MensRights07/04/17 10:01 AM
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It wouldn't be taboo in my family and if anyone did that to a baby in my family right now they'd end up in a wheelchair.
/r/MensRights07/04/17 06:18 AM
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They would consider themselves very lucky, I would have trashed the living daylights out of that room. And anyone who tried to stop me would have ended up missing a few teeth, maybe an eye, and God knows what other cuts and bruises.
/r/MensRights07/04/17 06:16 AM
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Also very interesting is that this shit is still going on despite Roe vs Wade in 1973, and women screaming "my body my right", and yet here we are still cutting up baby boys' penises. "Oh it's cleaner!" What about the right of a man to control what happens to his reproductive anatomy? For what it's worth, you could apply the exact same arguments justifying male circumcision to then justify cutting off baby girl's clitoral hoods, because "Oh it's cleaner". Just imagine the fucking outrage if you …
/r/MensRights07/04/17 06:10 AM
4

Ballooning can be fixed with very conservative surgery. I still find it hard to believe that people nowadays are still following pro-circ literature to conform to social "norms"...
/r/MensRights03/04/17 11:41 AM
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Try telling that to some of the fuckwits here in Australia. They'll never learn. They keep repeating the same indoctrination that it's more "hygienic". Yeah, I guess ripping out all your teeth, your fingernails and toenails is more "hygienic" too. LOL I've been wondering when Malcom Turnbull intends to outlaw abortion here in Australia...I've been hearing rumours that women's rights are about to get axed here. What a shame. The government seems to always know what's best, and indoctrinates every…
/r/MensRights03/04/17 10:54 AM
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You didn't have phimosis. You had a perfectly NORMAL penis. The foreskin is literally GLUED to the head of the penis during infancy and much of early childhood.
/r/MensRights03/04/17 10:53 AM
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If here is a MEDICAL JUSTIFICATION for doing so, then no. The vast majority of these mutilations are done for cultural or social reasons - in other words, some perverted sexual reason.
/r/MensRights16/03/17 04:33 AM
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Mutilating an infant's penis is sexual assault unless there are serious medical conditions warranting such an invasive and sexually harmful procedure. Sorry to rain on your parade. Washing, cleaning, medical treatments etc are fine. Circumcision done for genuine medical reasons is circumcision, for any other reason it is what it is - genital mutilation.
/r/MensRights16/03/17 03:35 AM
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As always, play the ball not the player. The behavior is what counts, not the religion. Oh, and plenty of atheist fucktards pay perverts to mutilate their kid's genitals too. Genital mutilation really has little to do with religion.
/r/MensRights16/03/17 03:19 AM
1

Anti-semitism and racism isn't going to help your cause. Sorry.
/r/MensRights16/03/17 03:08 AM
1

It's one of the reasons why I have seriously considered taking 10-15 grams of Nembutal. I've just about had it with the human race.
/r/MensRights16/03/17 03:07 AM
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Yep. So true.
/r/MensRights16/03/17 03:04 AM
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Yeah, I know. What an idiot.
/r/MensRights16/03/17 03:03 AM
1

WTF?! You're delusional. It's sexual, it's VERY SEXUAL. And I don't give two flying fucks whether these perverts are attracted to infants or their genitals or the money they make off of gullible parents. They need to be recognised as the vile scum that they really are - and put in a fucking cage like the rest of their brethren.
/r/MensRights16/03/17 03:02 AM
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Agreed!
/r/MensRights13/03/17 07:50 PM
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About fucking time they banned it and chucked the sick scum who do this to infants in prison where they belong. Then let their fellow inmates deal with them. I'd prefer they were put into the general prison population, but I fear they wouldn't get to live long enough to suffer the throes of spending a long stretch in a cage.
/r/MensRights13/03/17 07:03 AM
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Kate Ellis...Kate...a fucking WOMAN reinforcing decisions about MALE ANATOMY. Fuck.
/r/MensRights08/03/17 05:00 AM
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Sorry for that, but in my experience there are so many hypocrites who favor genital cutting for boys yet they want all their bodily autonomy for themselves. So if God created all of us equal, and we are all equal before the law, then both males and females should be protected. Circumcision is very sexist because the same health benefits could be claimed for removal of a baby girl's clitoral hood. But we don't do that. Because it's a federal crime. So why are boys denied the same protection? We d…
/r/MensRights05/03/17 01:19 AM
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And therefore circumcision is a violation of another person's right to bodily autonomy and integrity. It needs to be banned unless there is a serious clinical indication that justifies such a radical procedure. And banned right away, for that matter. Human rights always come first, social and sexual aesthetics or religious traditions come a very, very distant second.
/r/MensRights04/03/17 09:27 PM
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Are you in favour of abortion or against? If you're in favour, then you agree that a person should have the right to control what happens to their reproductive anatomy, correct? If you do, then surely you must be one of the finest acrobats. What other slick mental gymnastics do you perform?
/r/MensRights04/03/17 09:25 PM
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Also, comparing circumcision to female genital mutilation is a ridiculous comparison. No it isn't. It's a perfectly valid comparison, because both use pretty much the same slighting bullshit reasons to justify the continuation of the practice.
/r/MensRights04/03/17 09:23 PM
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A penis that is regarded by most men and women as being more attractive. Uh huh, so the same pathetic justification for female genital mutilation. You're a bit dense...Seriously.
/r/MensRights04/03/17 09:21 PM
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Yep. A bunch of closet pedophiles.
/r/MensRights04/03/17 12:00 AM
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Same here. But I'd prefer to see some heads roll, especially those well-paid and well-heeled charlatans who kept promoting this cruelty and abuse on a massive scale. Brian Morris is one guy I'd love to see locked up. He's made serious attempts to poison Australia, and Canada. His bullshit has resulted in thousands of baby boys having their genitals mutilated. He should be ashamed of himself. I also note that he signed and shared a petition to bring justice to the Catholic Church pedophile priest…
/r/MensRights03/03/17 09:02 AM
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They need to do more than just bury and forget about it. People need to go to prison for this sort of shit.
/r/MensRights03/03/17 08:50 AM
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I USED to have great respect for Rosie...but with this recent revelation I'm sad to say I thought I REALLY knew her. She was a beacon of light for the rights of women and people in general - until now...I still can't believe what I am reading. It's disturbing and saddening. I'm sorry for the comments I made in the alternate threads but really she was someone I used to respect enormously. There was another guy I used to respect for his views on the Catholic Church paedophilia scandal and for wome…
/r/MensRights18/02/17 10:02 PM
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Pancreas? You mean the appendix? Neither the appendix or the foreskin are useless vestigial parts. Humans evolved them for a reason. Just because that reason isn't apparent to a circumcised man doesn't mean that it isn't useful. It protects the glans and its sensitivity. It provides natural lubrication and mechanical and sensory function.
/r/MensRights02/01/17 03:34 AM
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In which case you would have no problem outlawing non-therapeutic genital cutting. It's already outlawed for females. Next step is outlawing for males too. Piece of cake.
/r/MensRights02/01/17 12:45 AM
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Then why aren't parents choosing circumcision for their daughters as well? Maybe it's because it's a federal crime - unfortunately it only covers the female gender and completely ignores the male gender, which is a shame. Oh and what ever happened to personal hygiene?
/r/MensRights02/01/17 12:13 AM
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It can be difficult to imagine it as malicious. The awareness of genital cutting and the stupidity of it, on the other hand, can be taken for granted. As more become aware of the potential harm and the very slight health "benefits" they will question the legitimacy. It is hard to blame any parent because they are only doing what is "normal" to them. But that "normal" will change.
/r/MensRights01/01/17 06:28 AM
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Nah. I support vaccinations because there is no loss of sexual sensitivity involved, and children get injections all the time for various reasons. Children, however, shouldn't have their most private and intimate body parts deliberately mutilated because of some fucked up cultural or social norm. You guys need to wake up to yourselves.
/r/MensRights31/12/16 09:02 PM
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It doesn't matter what my circumcision status is. It is irrelevant. Are women in the USA circumcised? 99.9% of them aren't. Does that make their argument any less valid? No, it doesn't. What if there was unbiased research that suggested cutting little girl's genitals was beneficial to their long-term health? I can imagine the controversy with applying the same scientific rationale to little girls as is currently applied to little boys. If you support abortion rights, which basically enshrines th…
/r/MensRights31/12/16 08:26 PM
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Slanting things to his benefit? How, exactly? Here's the truth - an infant's penis DOES NOT belong to you or anyone else. If it has no effect on anything, and doesn't change anything, then why are people still doing it? For health benefits? My arse. They're doing it because they're conditioned to accept it as normal. In fact, it's as bad as child molestation, and should be punished in the same fashion. Jail time. People who cut little girls get jail time. But boys? Nah, they get looks of approva…
/r/MensRights31/12/16 08:14 AM
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If you support abortion rights, then you should support the right of every man to choose what happens to their genitals too. And remember, mutilating female infant genitals was fairly popular during the 19th century in the USA, but it got banned under a federal law, and is now a serious crime. Imagine that.
/r/MensRights31/12/16 08:02 AM
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Are you circumcised? That would explain why you wouldn't like to hear evidence that is contrary to the lunatic propaganda that is spewed out by those trying desperately to convince themselves that what happened to their own penis was legitimate. It wasn't. You were assaulted, and you had your most primal, private and sensitive body part deliberately butchered so that some OB/GYN could make a quick profit, and so that a few thousand dollars could change hands when your foreskin was used to create…
/r/MensRights31/12/16 07:17 AM
1

(And there's no way this can be as harmful to women as it is to men.) Bullshit. Sexual frustration is every bit as harmful to women as it is to men. I do agree though that the foreskin is, in neurological terms, equivalent to the female clitoris - simply because it contains thousands of nerve endings designed specifically for erotic sensation.
/r/MensRights13/10/16 01:37 AM
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Once a man decides to have sexual intercourse, it is up to him as to what the consequences will be. If he is using proper protection, as in a condom, and spermicidal cream, then he should have that under wraps. Otherwise, he renders himself liable to whatever consequences an unintended pregnancy would bring. The woman is, and should be, the one who gets to decide whether or not she wants to have a baby. No woman should ever be forced to have a baby or an abortion, that is not only cruel and undi…
/r/MensRights21/12/15 09:05 AM
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