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| 0 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobia | Debate | nuketemple | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 10:13 PM |
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| 1 | Q4BP: What is equality?Back in my leftie days I thought equality meant being blind to gender, race, sexuality, This is incorrect though. Leftists don't encourage being blind to gender, race or sexuality. See terms like 'white privilege' or 'straight privilege' etc. The left encourage analyzing how race, sex, etc impact things, and notes disparities where they exist. Equality to me means both equal opportunity, and treating people equally and with equal dignity regardless of their intrinsic and benign traits. For examp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/16 06:07 AM |
| -1 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaTell me, from a purely descriptive pov, what can I call women who fucks a lot that ISNT "shaming" them? Loose? Fast? Whore? Slut? Promiscuous. Maybe "easy" too, seems to be more value neutral rather than value laden. The other words you mention are slurs. The assumption of your argument seems to be that describing a woman who sleeps around a lot is the same as shaming. I fundamentally disagree That's not what I wanted to argue. I am saying that most words to describe a promiscuous woman are dero… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/16 04:16 AM |
| 0 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaI've responded to this before, and I'll say it again: We only view race as the color of a person's skin now, because racism has been defeated. Before, it was associated with behaviors like savagery, etc (in the same way that "sluts" are associated with certain behaviors). In addition, it wasn't just about judging the trait, but about judging the behavior, such as wanting to drink from the same drinking fountain, attend the same schools, etc. As to sexuality, sexual orientation is innate, but sex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/16 01:19 AM |
| 0 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaWhy do you think they are different? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/16 12:56 AM |
| 0 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaThanks for your contribution. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/16 12:43 AM |
| 0 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaWhy would the divergent evolution of human racial groups merely stop at skin colour? Fair points, but I don't see how the rebuttal is relevant. The behavior was only being judged because of the trait. Right, the trait of being black. And in this case, it is the trait of being a woman that causes the judgment of sexual activity. So it's the same kind of deal. Black were judged by certain behaviors due to racism, and women are judged by certain behaviors due to misogyny. If you seriously believe t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/16 12:43 AM |
| -1 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaWhy are you comparing judging a trait inherent to a person like race or sexuality (wait are we saying homosexuality is innate now I haven't kept up) with something that a person has a choice in? We only view race as the color of a person's skin now, because racism has been defeated. Before, it was associated with behaviors like savagery, etc (in the same way that "sluts" are associated with certain behaviors). In addition, it wasn't just about judging the trait, but about judging the behavior, s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/16 12:08 AM |
| -2 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaso there is only one universal human moral system, the one you hold? There's only one physics, only one math, only one morality. If you want my view on things, I'm in the Sam Harris school, see http://www.amazon.com/The-Moral-Landscape-Science-Determine/dp/143917122X this is not what rational egoism is I didn't see a definition on the front page of your link, but Wikipedia defines it as: "Rational egoism (also called rational selfishness) is the principle that an action is rational if and only i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 11:54 PM |
| -1 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaNo, promoting sex isn't the same as promoting infidelity. I agree, but RPers don't. They believe female promiscuity is a cause of infidelity. So promoting promiscuity is promoting infidelity, in their view (although they don't realize it, or perhaps just don't care). If you want to end the stud/slut double standard, women have to stop rewarding men for being promiscuous. That's one way to end it. Another is to not reward men who are slut shamers. If virgin women (or non-virgin for that matter) r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 11:47 PM |
| 1 | What is a slut?I don't think the word "slut" should be used at all, because any negative quality that is supposedly associated with "sluts" can be isolated and called out by itself. For example, if a woman has no value besides her vagina because she's very stupid, then call her an idiot. That's the problem. Not that she's having sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 11:42 PM |
| 0 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaSo you're interested only in your own well-being. But your well-being is dependent on the moral rules that others follow. It's in your interest for society to agree with your moral system, which of course if you only care about your own well-being, you wouldn't be very persuasive. For example I'm advocating treating slut shamers like racists and anti-gay bigots. If my view succeeded, that would negatively impact your well-being. But as a rational egotist, you aren't welcome to the table in a dis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 11:30 PM |
| 0 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaNot really. Morality pertains to human well-being. That which increases human well-being is good, that which decreases human well-being is bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 11:23 PM |
| 1 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaNone of the things you mention are intrinsic to being a slut. Why not shame single mothers who soak up welfare benefits, instead of "sluts" in general? (Not that I support that either). Yes, men are supporting sluts. Yes, they are also partly at fault for the outcome. Sure. Well thank god for some agreement! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 11:23 PM |
| 2 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiahow does personal racism or homophobia inflict harm on anyone? The laws we pass. Social ostracism. Reduction of employment opportunities. These are all things that a homophobic or racist person might be implicated in. do you mean slut shaming is as "immoral" as saying any manner of mean things to someone of any kind? Sure, it's immoral to treat people badly when they don't deserve it, when you're not trying to correct behavior that needs correcting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 11:21 PM |
| 1 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaNot when we're talking about orientation as opposed to behavior it isn't. People have no capacity to change which gender they are attracted to. There are bisexual people who can choose what sex to engage in, but a bisexual person is no more capable of removing their sexual attraction to women (or men), than a straight person is capable of removing their attraction to women and creating an attraction to men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 11:20 PM |
| 1 | Is it OK to hit a women?Self-defense needs to be proportional. In most cases, a woman hitting a man is not going to do the same damage as a man hitting a woman. So no, if a woman punches you on the shoulder, your response shouldn't be to deck her and have her hit her on the ground. Same with a guy with a smaller stature who isn't truly threatening to you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 11:16 PM |
| 0 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaNo, but wanting to drink from the same drinking fountains as white people is. And I notice you didn't address my gay analogy. Being gay isn't a choice, but engaging in gay sex is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 11:13 PM |
| 0 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaHow are you certain that it doesn't harm society? Well that's what this debate is about. Do you have an argument that they do harm society? Do you support slut shaming men as well? Do you believe male promiscuity harms society? Do you recognize that male promiscuity encourages female promiscuity, and that women could not be promiscuous without promiscuous men? If a woman having casual sex is wrong, then a man having sex with her is like driving the getaway car in a bank heist. He's participating… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 11:09 PM |
| 1 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaSo people are inferior to something they are born with is the same as people are inferior for their personal choices? Sounds like a bad example. Women are born with a sex drive. To shame sluts is to shame women. Gay men are born with a sex drive and make the personal choice to have sex with other men. To shame gay sex is to shame gay men. African-Americans want to drink from the same water fountain and ride on the front of the bus, that's behavior, that's a choice. You forget that racism isn't a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 10:59 PM |
| 2 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaThat's a pity, but nobody is entitled to force us to approve of their behavior, even if they decide they can't live without that approval. Your viewpoint is incompatible with freedom of conscience. But slut shaming is also a behavior. So aren't you impeding on my freedom of conscience by saying I shouldn't shame slut-shamers? I'm not saying people don't have a right to think what they want. I'm saying there should be consequences and stigma for believing things, and causing harm to people withou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 10:56 PM |
| 1 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiashrug. No one seems to have defended those things yet. Although given the lack of empathy in some of the replies I'm getting, I wouldn't be surprised. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 10:54 PM |
| 0 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaJust like women are allowed to have beta orbiters when men have no spine to stand up for themselves. Perhaps "lead on" was the wrong word. I mean entering into a relationship with no intention of carrying it through for long. You know, wasting someone's time for a few months. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 10:53 PM |
| 2 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaAhh the old sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me. Although ideally that would be the way the human brain worked, it just isn't the case. People are vulnerable to ostracism and others thinking negatively about them. We're social animals. Words do have power. But slut shaming isn't mere words, and I should have put this in my OP, but social ostracism is often used against "sluts." That's behavior, not just words. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 10:50 PM |
| -1 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaWho decides if you deserve it or not? You? Well, we all decide for ourselves what is harmful and deserving of shaming. But people should be able to make an argument for why a particular activity should be shamed. Just like I made an argument for why slut shamers should be shamed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 10:48 PM |
| 1 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaSome teenage girls killing themselves is basically the same as people being tortured and murdered for their mere existence? Eh, I'm not saying every act of racism is morally equivalent of slut shaming. Murder certainly falls into a different category. As does slavery. When I say racism I mean making disparaging remarks about people for their race, thinking of them as inferior, etc. That is directly analogous to slut shaming. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 10:47 PM |
| -1 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaPeople have the right to opinions. People have the right to voice their opinions. Which is all I'm doing here. Some people advocate shaming "sluts", I advocate shaming slut shamers. Because, unlike "sluts", their behavior is actually harmful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 10:41 PM |
| 0 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaWomen seem to be doing most of the actual slut shaming. Women also shame, but it's men who impose the most consequences for being a slut, imo. Considering them unworthy of serious relationships, for example. Considering them "fair play" to lead on and use. Also when men slut shame they tend to be more...vicious about it. I've been around both men and women who slut shame, and men have much worse words to say. It's dehumanizing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 10:40 PM |
| -1 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaWhy is that? To inflict harm on someone who doesn't deserve it is immoral. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 10:35 PM |
| 0 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaYet many feminists do just that. The nice guys have shitty sexual strategy and so they're shit upon. Sure, but two wrongs don't make a right. Harm is something people don't like. This is just not what harm is: physical or mental damage : injury Once again, no no no, no behavior is benign. Well the behavior of slut-shaming certainly isn't. Compassion is for those who matter to me. Well I doubt this will be a successful conversation with you then, if you don't care about teenage girls killing them… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 10:35 PM |
| -2 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaAnything more substantive to say on the topic? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 10:26 PM |
| 1 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaWhy is it okay to shame nice guys when they are only feeding their sexual desire? It's not? Why is it okay to shame pedophiles while they are only feeding their sexual desire? For someone who just called me out for equating slut shaming with racism/homophobia, this is a helluva comparison you're making. Pedophilia is harmful. Having sex with lots of men isn't harming anyone else. Why is it okay to shame predators when they are only feeding their sexual desire? Because they're predators, again, i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 10:25 PM |
| 0 | Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobiaYou can reply in the main thread. Why do you feel this way? In all these cases people are being shamed for a natural part of themselves. To shame "sluts" is to shame women for having a natural sex drive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 10:22 PM |
| 5 | BluePillers, do you really think it's fair to forbid men to ask for a paternity test?No, we shouldn't be putting a random man on the financial hook for supporting a child. If it's his, then sure (although I also support financial abortion, a recent change of view for me). If the state wants to make sure a child is financially supported, then the state should do that through tax dollars rather than conscripting some random man to do it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 01:47 AM |
| 3 | Men Should Assume Abortion Doesn't Exist: CMVI actually agree with this, and this is a change of view for me. I now support "financial abortion." I think there are no moral problems with abortion, so I don't see why our system should be set up to accommodate those who don't want an abortion (but accommodate the kids, of course!) If a woman has a moral problem with abortion, then she should have to live with the consequences of having that value while having risky sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/03/16 12:18 AM |
| 1 | Do You Really Not Talk During Sex?Do you just start having anal sex? What if your partner has to take a shit? Please don't just ram it in there, it can cause tearing. Anal sex requires a bit prep. And if you're a selfish fucker that doesn't care about causing your partner pain, just ramming it in there can also break your dick. But yeah there's other ways to get consent to anal than verbal. Rub around the hole, put some pressure with your finger, if the response is good, finger in. Then do the same with your dick. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/03/16 09:12 PM |
| 7 | Men Should Assume Abortion Doesn't Exist: CMVThey just love the idea of single moms Eh, I would say BP doesn't like this and RP does. RP is the one that advocates not getting tied down, y'know? I think a BP would be more likely to marry. and the welfare state Well yes, I support the welfare state especially for kids, because kids shouldn't be made to suffer due to poor decisions by their parents. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/03/16 07:07 PM |
| 4 | [Question for men] What is AWALT about you?Around half the women I see every day are fuckable. I'd fuck each and every one of them if they were willing and if the consequences to me weren't so dire. Does this mean you'd cheat if you knew your wife wouldn't find out? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/03/16 06:14 PM |
| 6 | Q4BP Should I stop getting what I want so I can please everyone?Legality is a really low standard for human behavior. Just because something isn't illegal doesn't mean it's not wrong. It's hard to discuss this without the specifics. What are you doing that is harming other people? If something would make you 100% happy, but make another person 100% miserable, would you do that? What about being only 80% happy and the other person can be 80% happy as well, is that a compromise you're willing to take? Or are you completely selfish? To deliberately not care abo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/16 07:41 AM |
| 1 | People who use evolutionary psychology, where do you get your info?I don't agree with anything you said about rationality. Being capable of rational thought simply means we are capable of reasoning -- and we are, the whole endeavor of science attests to that. It does not mean that we are, 100% of the time, or even most of the time, governed by rational thought. Indeed most of our behavior is not rational, but that's a totally different claim than saying we are incapable of reasoning, which seems to be what you're suggesting. With regards to Donald Trump, he's a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/16 07:25 AM |
| 1 | CMV: The redpill isn't hated because it sells sexual strategy. It's hated because it bundles in extreme alt-right viewpoints, the same way Comcast tries to make you pay for a landline phone.Even if it's small some people are bothered by it, even if it destroys society, the left always put individual rights above society. Uhh, here you have an example of that not being true. And I think you're understanding is quite the opposite of reality. It is generally conservatives that champion individual liberty, even to the extent that it harms society. See gun rights, anti-anti-discrimination laws, anti-climate regulation laws, etc etc. The left cares much more about the collective good tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/16 01:13 AM |
| 1 | CMV: The redpill isn't hated because it sells sexual strategy. It's hated because it bundles in extreme alt-right viewpoints, the same way Comcast tries to make you pay for a landline phone.The tiny burden is the rationale for it, I stated what the rationale was. The tiny burden is only meant to say that because this is a small infringement on personal liberty, it doesn't need an overwhelming justification. Bigger infringements on liberty require stronger justifications, this one doesn't. On a side note: Is polygamy still forbidden? Yes, and there's good reasons for that too. In polygamous societies (high status) men have multiple wives, and that leaves many men with no wives at al… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/16 12:52 AM |
| 2 | CMV: The redpill isn't hated because it sells sexual strategy. It's hated because it bundles in extreme alt-right viewpoints, the same way Comcast tries to make you pay for a landline phone.Of course I can. And yes gay people can adopt in the US. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/16 12:45 AM |
| 2 | People who use evolutionary psychology, where do you get your info?So you agree there's nothing but physics. And yet, it wouldn't be productive to try and understand, say, capitalism, or world war II using physics. That's what the disciplines of economics and history are for. And just as it's a mistake to reduce everything down to physics to try and understand it, so too is it a mistake to reduce everything down to biology. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/16 11:59 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The redpill isn't hated because it sells sexual strategy. It's hated because it bundles in extreme alt-right viewpoints, the same way Comcast tries to make you pay for a landline phone.Yes. And you asked for an argument that doesn't work against gay marriage. A taboo against homosexuality, unlike a taboo against incest, means you are unable to love anyone you can be romantically/sexually attracted to. In other words, a heavy burden. For no good reason that I can see, unlike the reason that I provided for the (tiny burden) taboo against incest. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/16 11:53 PM |
| 2 | People who use evolutionary psychology, where do you get your info?Culture isn't random, it arises from human nature and human psychology interacting with the world and other humans. Right, but the point is culture itself can influence culture. Our brains are capable of rational thinking, we aren't bound by animalistic instincts and primitive psychology. Technically, physics is ultimately responsible for everything, including culture. But understanding physics is not the best way to try and explain culture -- understanding culture itself is the best way. Same a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/16 07:42 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The redpill isn't hated because it sells sexual strategy. It's hated because it bundles in extreme alt-right viewpoints, the same way Comcast tries to make you pay for a landline phone.But can you justify why two adult rednecks shouldn't marry Yes. The taboo against incest has a positive effect on society, because it keeps families functioning as families should -- being a structure of support which could be damaged by sexual relationships (what if there's a break up?). It also keeps parents from grooming their children to have sex with them when they turn 18. Also, the taboo against incest (unlike the taboo against homosexuality), is a tiny burden. There's only a dozen or so … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/16 07:34 PM |
| 1 | People who use evolutionary psychology, where do you get your info?As a biological materialist there are just no other explanations for anything because every aspect of every animal on earth is minutely created by the processes of evolution. So in your view culture plays absolutely no role in how people behave? It's all a product of genes? How do you explain the fact that moral and political values have changed over the centuries? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/16 07:28 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There is no such thing as an egalitarian relationship.You heterosexuals could learn a thing or two from gay relationships... it's not about who is wielding power, jesus. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/16 09:39 AM |
| 7 | Bloops, talk to me about the Jian Ghomeshi verdictHaven't been following the case, just read it here: http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/25/world/jian-ghomeshi-verdict-canada-feat/index.html But it seems like a reasonable verdict to me. That doesn't mean the guy is definitely innocent, it just means he needs to be considered innocent until proven guilty, and there wasn't sufficient evidence to prove guilt. Again we have a situation in which a woman alleges sexual violence yet maintained cordial contact with the alleged perpetrator. I can accept that ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/16 09:29 AM |
| 1 | Men's n-countWhy does a woman's partner count have to do with self-respect and a man's doesn't? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/16 04:50 PM |
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