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I know very well what the laws are, the point of the post is that these laws are inconsistent because the same underlying principles are at play, yet only in one case can the biological parent be held liable for child support. Also, sperm donation can be carried out through natural insemination or intercourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 01:04 PM
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Sperm donation only relieves you of financial obligation if dont through through the proper legal channels Here at least, it's literally just a written contract. that are treated more like an adoption The agreement is before it's even conceived, how can it be an adoption when it doesn't biologically exist? Much less legally exist as a born baby recognized as a legal person under the law. which means the adoptive parents are legally accepting financial responsibility And in this case the mother i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:45 PM
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Not all sperm/egg donors are anonymous. That is why many change their minds and why abortions can cause so many conflicting feelings. Really? I've read from surveys that women who get abortions overwhelmingly feel good about them. That's one thing I agree with pro-choicers on at least, that's it's not bad for the woman. I said this on another sub….how about inventing an app that allows you both to sign (maybe with thumbprints) that will show consent, what you’re both happy to do sexually, and ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:38 PM
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Men still commit the most homicides against almost every other demographic. This post is about infants and fetuses, not "every other demographic" And.....if you don't see the difference between aborting an unborn fetus and tossing your infant off a balcony I don't know what to tell you Both are living, human, individuals with a future that you denied them by taking their life. The only diffeence is that the former may not be able to feel pain depending on it's development. But if I were to suffo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:31 PM
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Both. And scientifically, an individual human life begins at conception, so abortion is the killing of a human being. https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/19/19-1392/185346/20210729162737297_19-1392%20BRIEF%20OF%20BIOLOGISTS%20AS%20AMICI%20CURIAE%20IN%20SUPPORT%20OF%20NEITHER%20PARTY.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:24 PM
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Why not? Women love to bitch about abortion access being restricted despite the various contraceptive options they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:06 PM
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It's easy for you to criticize men for """abandoning their child""" when your sex just kills them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:03 PM
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I'll make sure to say this with the sexes swapped the next time I'm talking to someone who's pro-abortion!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:02 PM
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fuck i thought this was the daily discussion thread, silly me
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 01:17 AM
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I just simply disagreed with how these subreddits often wrote HUGE pages of text completely crapping on western women and spreading hatred. I mean like it or not that's the entire reason for PPB. Tone aside, the fundamental reason for their movement is that they think western women demand too much and offer too little. A lot of people on these subs seem to believe that a woman's job is to do 24/7 childcare with zero break. Child care isn't a 24/7 job. If it's a young child of course you need to …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 10:56 PM
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It's easy for women to say that expenses should be split proportionally to income and not 50/50 when the vast majority of them seek men that outearn them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 08:35 AM
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You can't negotiate attraction. But in this case, if they complain about "toxic masculinity" and they include male behaviors that they find attractive in that definition, then yeah, it's absolutely ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:08 PM
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People of both sexes want physically attractive partners. You sound lowkey sexist valuing having sex with a woman I'm curious, would you say the same to a woman who prioritized casual sex over committed relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:02 PM
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"Low agreeableness" is probably a good blanket definition that covers all the various conceptions of "bad boys" different people have. Agreeableness is one of the "big five" personality traits used by psychologists(MBTI is bullshit BTW), basically meaning how kind/considerate someone is. In short, a "bad boy" is a guy who is not very nice. Both a violent felon and a cocky, arrogant, finance bro can be characterized this way, although the former is probably substantially less "nice" than the latt…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:59 PM
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Financial incentives for having kids haven't really worked in Europe, with all their subsidized childcare and parental leave and even direct cash/tax benefits. Most European countries still have even lower fertility than the US. Fundamentally, raising children, especially to a standard and age socially acceptable in developed countries, is a huge burden. So with ubiquitous birth control, women(and to some extent men) are less willing to have children to preserve their own material standard of li…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 11:39 PM
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2% of people who made a complaint to the ER, not 2% of the general population....
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 06:25 PM
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There's nothing wrong with caring about n-count or preferring younger partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 01:18 AM
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This is a huge c*pe. Statistically the vast majority of women, even young women, are not single and celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 09:13 PM
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Yes thank you unc, this is my point exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 06:07 PM
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Legally it is considered rape to sleep with someone under the influence No, it isn't, I dare you to find me a single statute or appellate court decision saying this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 06:05 PM
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In the context of a marriage where earnings are legally shared, and in the absence of the burden of childcare, absolutely. And the pay gap between married men and married women is much larger than the gap between their unmarried counterparts(I've seen some ACS data indicate it's virtually nonexistent if they're also childless), implying that women are actively selecting higher-earning men for marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 09:45 AM
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Normally, yes, parental rights are a thing. But abortion is life and death so that goes out the window if you accept fetal rights, as I do. Parent's don't have the legal right to kill their born children....... And mathematically it's not possible to vote with just two people. So how exactly could they "both have a say"?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 08:52 AM
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Why do you think this is “as a man”? Do you mean I wouldn’t get my half of the assets we accumulated together over the marriage? Because men substantially outearn women in marriages. Even in childless marriages, so the burden of childrearig doesn't explain this gap. Most of the time they didn't really contribute equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 08:51 AM
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I've seen way more black guys yap about "muh dick". Which isn't even true since most penis size studies from Africa resulted in similar or smaller measurements compared to Europeans.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 08:44 AM
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Katrina Bowden is genuinely one of the finest women of the 2010s and she's aged like wine since 🤤🤤🤤
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 08:40 AM
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I can guarantee you that I am more hostile to the women here than the vast majority of the other male users, but I'm not going to compromise my beliefs just to "stick it to women". It's her body, and the body of the fetus, that are involved, those are the only two relevant parties. I lean towards the fetus as someone who is pro-life, but regardless the man's body is not a part of this calculus. If it were a wanted pregnancy then maybe the man has a right to ensure she's eating healthy as the fat…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 04:06 AM
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I don't think individual men have a right to any sort of role in abortions, and I'm pro-life........
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 04:01 AM
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This data is from 10-20 years ago, to be fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 02:04 AM
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1000 people is a "very small data set"? It doesn’t show people who blacked out for multiple hours and weren’t hospitalized. I also think you’re overestimating how many rape cases actually feel safe and comfortable going to the ER for treatment and to formally report any assault. I'm confused, do you somehow think women who claim they were drugged but didn't visit the ER are somehow MORE likely to have actually been drugged than those who did? If anything those with more serious symptoms and thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 02:02 AM
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but if someone is unable to walk straight, slurring their words, clearly confused, etc., they can’t consent. 1 and 2 aren't directly relevant in my jurisdiction at least, and most US jurisdictions AFAIK. 3 is definitely a factor though. Either way that's not relevant to the data at hand, these women showed up to the ER because they believe someone surreptiously admnisitered some other substance to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:59 AM
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That's not drink spiking, that's just someone being an inconsiderate asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:56 AM
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The data shows that the vast majority of suspected drink spiking cases reported at the ER don't show any toxicological evidence of possible date rape drugs. This isn't evidence that women are "careful", it's evidence that they are paranoid and misattribute symptoms to drink spiking when it hasn't actually happened. Have you even read the post?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:55 AM
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What do you mean alcohol spiking?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:22 AM
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Consensual sex after voluntarily and knowingly consuming alcohol is not rape
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:21 AM
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I've never heard of that frankly, and the researchers didn't consider it plausible, so I'll take their word over yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:39 PM
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It impacts me when women exaggerate the prevalence of drink spiking as a weapon to attack men and hold us responsible for the actions of others. Do whatever the hell you want with your own drink.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:20 PM
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Of the nine cases where illicit drugs were detected, only a mere three cases were depressants, where the possibility that it was a "date-rape" drug is even remotely plausible. And even then it may very well have been voluntarily ingested for recreational purposes. Can you read? Three where depressants(all opioids), where there is a possibility that those were surreptiously administered as "date rape" drugs. But they also may have been voluntarily ingested, recreationally or for medicinal purpose…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:17 PM
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and the same kinds of men who would present these studies are also the ones who crow about "personal responsibility" to women when they get raped. Not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:43 PM
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I wasn't criticizing personal safety measures, I was criticizing the specific rhetoric used.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:43 PM
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Now, if I were to say "men like cars and women like receiving flowers?" I think comparative language would be better here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:37 PM
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But you're a clown if you make up stories about having your drink spiked just because you got severely drunk or high and want to evade responsibility for your actions. Which evidently, women frequently do. In what world does "frequently" mean "every" or "all"? Are you illiterate?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:32 PM
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I'm not """enflamed""" by you saying that you want to keep an eye on your drink, do whatever the hell you want with your own property. I'm """enflamed""" by women yapping endlessly about how many of them have "had their drinks spiked" and pointing fingers at my sex, when in reality they just don't know their limits.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:31 PM
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You can do what you want. But how do YOU know that those people were actually drugged and didn't just misattribute their symptoms from drinking too much or voluntarily consuming recreational drugs?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:29 PM
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Where did I assume that? Can you indicate where I said that EVERY spiked drink story is made up? Did you even read my post? The vast majority of these reports, 95%+, are made up or misattributed. I'm sure it happens but the real prevalence is orders of magnitude lower than what women make it seem.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:27 PM
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Yes that was the threshold they used for the third study.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:23 PM
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I thought you were the person I initially responded to, never mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:22 PM
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Because women frequently use things like drink spiking to personally attack men as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:21 PM
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I never said otherwise. But you're a clown if you make up stories about having your drink spiked just because you got severely drunk or high and want to evade responsibility for your actions. Which evidently, women frequently do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:19 PM
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All three of these. You looked up a couple studies that reinforce your original opinion. No, I found one randomly browsing reddit, and it went from there. You aren't informed on this as much as you are emboldened by the cherry picked evidence you found. If you're going to accuse me of that you should present some counterevidence. Otherwise your accusation is entirely baseless.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:17 PM
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I'll bring this up the next time liberals are crying about a cop racially profiling someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:15 PM
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In all these studies, authors note that the complainants present to the ER shortly after the alleged incident, and these drugs remain detectable in urine for a long time, so it's highly unlikely that they missed anything. Please actually read my post before responding, thanks. The authors addressed the issue of testing methods and detectability in each of the studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:12 PM
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My assertions are backed by medical research. Your assertions are contradicted by medical research. It's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:09 PM
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“Women need to stop complaining about rape and assault. If you keep yourself safe there’s no danger. Have some responsibility!” The people who say this would likely advise you not to drink excessively or use recreational drugs. Not to voluntary use those substances and then erroneously blame it on having your drink spiked when you feel like shit LMAO. And nowhere in my post did I say that you shouldn't complain about rape/SA, just that women are likely exaggerating the prevalence of this type of…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:09 PM
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very true, libfems are probably the most tolerant of it but they don't like it either
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 11:59 PM
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Why does that matter? The entire reason that women are less burdened is because they are less likely to work, and if they do work they work less. Why would we "control" for that when that's quite literally the point. To me, that just sounds like men can protect themselves by not participating in a traditionally gendered division of labor in their relationships, even nonmarital ones. I agree, but in practice this means avoiding cohabitation and especially marriage. Because most women won't tolera…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 11:48 PM
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even though in the US, men are actually more often overweight compared to women If you're referencing the CDC statistics, the flip side is that women are more likely to be classified as obese by BMI(>30 BMI) than men. When obesity is measured by other methods like waist circumference and body fat percentage directly, methods aren't as affected by muscle mass, women tend to be substantially more obese than men on average, even accounting for baseline biological differences. For instance, US women…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 11:31 PM
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OP: cites a BLS time use survey sampling thousands of people every single year You: "I kNoW 5 wOmAn......"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 01:52 PM
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u/howdoiw0rkthisthing https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/famee.pdf Per Table 5, only about 56% of married mothers with children work full-time, compared to around 90% of married fathers with children.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 01:38 PM
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The way you and OP are using ‘personal care activities’ like it’s some kind of self-care is misleading and goes against the actual American Time Survey definition. Where? Where did either of us deny that sleep or shitting is excluded from the definition? How have either of us "misled" anyone? Yes, you sleep and poop for yourself, but these are biological needs People can decide how much they will sleep. Either way, even though they are necessary, it's still time for yourself, not for your family…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 12:36 PM
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Try it with just marital status and post the results, probably more relevant. It excludes single parents, and women also frequently complain about men not "doing enough" in childless relationships and marriages lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 12:35 PM
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Good, tell that to the chorus of women today complaining about "men not pulling their weight!"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 11:55 AM
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so then I guess these women are divorcing these perfect men for no reason. Women are hard to satisfy. and are financially worse off after divorce Do those statistics accounts for child support received, child support expenditures, and net worth(not income) from marital asset division?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 11:50 AM
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As I said, none of that matters really. At the end of the day, personal care activities are for YOU. You're not contributing to the household. What matters is what you do for the household, like paid work or childcare. Any time not spent doing that, whether it's labelled "personal care" or "leisure" is the same for the purposes of this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 11:43 AM
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Great data analysis. I'd like to add, it seems that you didn't bother to distinguish between single parents and two-parent households, not that it was mistake, just something to consider. If we focused on the division of labor in two-parent households, and excluded single parents, I'd bet we'd see an even larger disparity. Since most single parents are mothers, and they tend to have a substantially higher burden than married parents of either sex, this likely drives up the average workload of wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 11:41 AM
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You didn’t even skim through the actual study I linked The Pew one? It is because stay at home moms/wives have more leisure time than any other women, but stay at home dads/husband have 10+ hours more leisure time a week than stay at home moms/wives. This has nothing to do with his comment, he was talking about childless men and women in general, including unmarried ones. His data distinguishes between having a child at home, whether you're a single parent, married, or cohabitating. Your Pew ana…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 11:34 AM
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See edits above. Including sleeping is like including pooping, which men spend more time on. Compared to sleep that's negligible. And, yes it should be "included". Or rather it should be excluded, and instead we should compare all time spent on paid work and unpaid work. Because ultimately that's what's relevant, and the crux of the debate, whether men are doing "enough" for their household. The categorization of all other activities is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 11:07 AM
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His sources: the content of those posts, with the charts, data request form, and codes. He's literally spoon feeding it to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 10:57 AM
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That should be your source, not reddit threads. That is his source, he's spoon-feeding it to you with the charts and codes and the website in the post. It's obvious he made additional posts to include all that because he can't include them directly in this post. All of them suddenly decided to lie on the same exact thing? Yes, obviously. Because they want to point fingers at men when they're dissatisfied. Again, not saying all men are like that, but enough are and it's disgraceful. And there are…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 10:54 AM
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Sorry but I trust my lived experience more than some study. Contradictory studies are posted every day. And there are plenty of people whose "lived experiences" will contradict yours because "lived experiences" are far more diverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 10:52 AM
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while most researchers agree that women need at least a bit more sleep than men. Why is that relevant? That's not our problem. We're not "lazy" or "not doing our share" just because you sleep more and therefore have less personal/leisure time. If anything you're the lazy one, plenty of adults aren't getting as much sleep as they'd like because they have responsibilities. At the end of the day, personal care activities are for YOU. You're not contributing to the household. What matters is what yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 10:50 AM
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According to the infamous OKCupid study, 66% of men only messaged the top 33% of women. That's not what it found, at all. It wasn't tracking where the messages where coming from, only how many messages each cohort got. And while the most attractive women did get more messages relative to their less attractive peers, the data doesn't indicate the actual number of messages each cohort got on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 01:26 PM
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"Red pill" is a broad label that includes both tradcons and fuckboys/wannabe fuckboys.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 09:15 AM
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Examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 12:36 AM
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All the available data suggests otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:55 PM
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The entitlement of men is laughable. Do men systematically shame women for no sex like how women systematically shame men for not committing or not paying for things? I don't think so. Most men are well accustomed to rejection and are conditioned from childhood to accept that they're not "entitled to sex". There is no equivalent for women and the things they want from us.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:41 PM
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True that’s the attitude of being a parent and there is little to no appreciation I agree, but it's hardly unique to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:33 PM
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For example motherhood is beautiful and blah blah blah but the moment people see a pregnant woman’s body especially after birth people are quick to call her disgusting even the daddy will participate in that slander. In what world? I've certainly never seen it. If a woman is SAHM and is taking care of multiple toddlers Most people don't have more than 2-3 children anymore, and even fewer have them spaced so close together. If a woman wants an abortion or to give up a child because they know they…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:25 PM
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Mothers get paltry child support. This is highly dependent on how much the BD makes. Of course you can't draw blood from a stone if they're broke, but high-earning men are ordered to pay substantial amounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:19 PM
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Women are very rarely generous to men they're dating, I'll say that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:06 PM
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If your interests conflict with one another then it's absolutely a "competition". Competition suggests someone has to “lose”. You "lose" when your interest is not reciprocated. Why would you even want to date someone who doesn’t want to date you? Did I say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 10:41 PM
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being attractive to men and being feminine is hated by nearly everyone. Not by men lol. Or at least, non-feminist men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 10:39 PM
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Your interest in being with them is competing with their interest in the most desirable partner possible, which probably isn't you, given how common rejections, breakups, and divorce are. You're not special, "soulmates" don't exist. And sometimes there is also an element of monogamy vs sexual freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 05:01 PM
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I think the practical way to put it, is for people to understand relationships as a grounds for mutual partnership, not individual satisfaction or pleasure. Why would someone enter a relationship if not for individual satisfaction and pleasure? Do you expect people to do charity work? to feel the experience of being loved without doing the same for our partners I think most people love their partners to some extent. But love is always conditional on something.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:58 PM
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"Battle" in this context doesn't mean open hostility, just competing interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:55 PM
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Never underestimate the female hivemind and their power to enforce through shaming and ostracism. Look at how hard they're raging against so-called "pick me" girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:48 PM
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And women improve their chances of finding a higher quality partner by eliminating competition. What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:17 PM
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Hell, one of the things that women consistently find attractive is men who are famous for helping people/animals (animal rescue, fire fighters, men who stand up for children and the elderly ect.) And how would you know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:16 PM
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But there will always be people who just date folks they like, have mixed-gender social circles and treat both male and female friends well, who volunteer to render aid to both men and women, regardless of their own gender, who care about their fellow humans and enjoy making people happy. None of this is mutually exclusive with what he said. Virtually all humans exhibit altruistic and egotistic behaviors on a spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:16 PM
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Little by little, generation by generation, common feeling for one another is eroded and replaced with these vulgar transactional relationships governed more by market ideology than morals, than compassion or empathy. Humans have always been primarily concerned with their own interests and those of their close family/friends. Even in the hunter-gatherer societies that communists like you idolize, generosity only goes so far and often includes expectations of reciprocity. Look at how people treat…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:10 PM
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Even when a woman likes or loves you, it's often conditional on things like generosity, regular displays of affection, and monogamy. Ultimately all love is conditional, few people would give everything for a partner without some expectation of reciprocity, nor should they.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:06 PM
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No? Not necessarily? And stop changing the goalposts. You literally said: It's weird how women are doing all this violence yet it isn't violent implying that it's not really "violent" if there are no injuries. Do you stand by that when a man hits his female partner without causing injury?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:34 PM
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Using a random cherry-picked story to support broad assertions is "pulling things out of your ass", yes. Your initial claim wasn't about that woman specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:21 PM
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I can find a story on social media to support literally any narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:17 PM
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single TikTok story lol Yes, that’s usually the reason these guys go after these women. You ignored the second half of my sentence. The fact that they think they find any attractive women in their own country shows it’s a fetish. What the hell is "they think they find any attractive women in their own country" supposed to mean? Are you lucid?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:13 PM
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Because men and women have seen these situations enough to know that’s usually the case "I pulled it out of my ass" Because they’re less likely to see red flags, duh. That’s why we have people like R. Kelly. Perhaps with regards to agreeableness certainly not with regards to appearance or money. So they also do the fetishizing Wanting an attractive partner who treats you well is a "fetish"? If anything their success is because Latina/Asian women fetishize white, western, men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 01:52 PM
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Because that’s usually the case. How would you know? Do you think young women are somehow LESS picky than their older and less attractive counterparts? Because these guys admit they don’t do well with women in their country Doing "well" is subjective. Plenty of white guys aren't incels back home but can attract better-looking women who treat them better by PPBing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 01:21 PM
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So if I were to slap my wife/girlfriend without causing injury, you would object to labelling that as "violence". Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 01:09 PM
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I never said otherwise and it doesn't change my point. And the disparity for injury in this study at least is far less than the statistic I mentioned, the odds ratio being only 1.3
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 12:41 PM
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Nice cope. I'm not stupid enough to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:53 AM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/ I seem to misremember, this survey only included young adults and not minors. But still, the figures are what I have said.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:23 AM
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Nope. People with social skills are MUCH more likely to be considerate. I don't think this is accurate, people can use their social skills for benevolent or nefarious ends. The stereotypical psychopath is very socially adept yet no one would label them as "considerate". Being considerate is a social skill, It isn't, it's not an ability or a talent, it's a value. It just comes down to how much you value the interests of others in relation to your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 01:47 AM
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The inverse is also very much true. Girls are the perpetrators in 70% of adolescent/young adult relationships with one-sided violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 01:42 AM
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To me and most people, being "good" refers to decency and kindness, not necessarily desirability. "Attractive men" is the better word here.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 01:38 AM
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He's saying that since women frequently do dislike being approached, by selecting for the men most willing to do it, you are selecting for the least considerate men. Especially when it comes to cold approaches. Don't be surprised when that comes to bite you in the back.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 01:37 AM
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Uh, leaving out an important fact, like the fact you’re DNA testing your kid behind her back is absolutely lying by omission. Let me repeat myself: Simply not telling people something is not "lying by omission", that's when you tell part of the truth about something to mislead them. By your logic, not telling someone anything could be labelled as "lying by omission".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 01:23 AM
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Where did "he" say this? And even if he did, being the creator does not make you the ultimate authority.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:57 PM
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If ou're referring to research that has failed to find significant changes in women's sexual preferences throughout their ovulatory cycle, I don't think that debunks the dual mating strategy hypothesis. Because that finding is not necessary for it to be correct, women don't need to be attracted to their primary partner in any capacity to utilize a dual mating strategy, they just need to tolerate intercourse with them. Personally I'm far from certain of it, but it is one plausible explanation for…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:04 PM
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I think most "BP" identified women here would object to your remarks about men's advantages and interdependence between the sexes. I myself even disagree with the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:56 PM
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I think you have the wrong flair
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:36 PM
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and abandons it when it doesn't. Examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:35 PM
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I have never seen a R/BP or MRA concede to any feminist point. There's no point in discussing things when there's no disagreement. MRAs by and large already implicitly agree with many feminist values, like opposing discrimination against women in hiring, or pigeonholing women into a homemaker/childbearer role. But because they accept it, it never comes up in debates/discussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 11:06 AM
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I know it was to protect the child, but the laws are terribly unbalanced. I don't find that argument convincing if he tells her in advance he doesn't want to be a parent, since she can get an abortion. And even if she can't, she can put it up for adoption. If she doesn't do either of those things then how is it any different than a single woman adopting a child or having a child through donor sperm???
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 11:03 AM
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The same can be said for most political movements. If someone agreed with the mainstream feminist movement on everything except for abortion many feminists would absolutely dislike them, because abortion access is so important to the feminist movement. Or say, if someone agreed with you on everything but racial equality. Likewise, if you don't agree with me on some key issues(opposing sex-based affirmative action, biased criminal sentencing, male circumcision) I'm not going to like you very much…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 11:01 AM
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Maybe this is a hot take but I think it depends on who initiates the interaction. If say, an inmate makes sexual advances towards a CO and the CO accedes, I can't believe in good faith that the inmate was "coerced", regardless of their sex. Inmates often do seek these relationships with COs out of loneliness, sexual desire, and especially to gain favors/special treatment. Of course, this is never acceptable and if caught the CO should at the very least lose their job regardless of who initiated …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:57 AM
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Yeah, that's why I can't engage with the MRA sub. It's waaaaay too biased, and waaaay too conservative. The "red pill" manosphere has too much of a medieval mentality to it. This is a strawman. I'm not as active there as I used to be but from what I've seen the vast majority of the discussion there is focused on institutional discrimination against men and societal biases against men. I've recently checked and none of the top posts in that subreddit this month are about these things, you can che…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:54 AM
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Men should have preferential hiring in careers dominated by women such as nursing, teaching and secretarial work. This will never happen, not in a million years. Systematic discrimination against women would never be tolerated by women as a whole. There should be more studies into the benefits and consequences of circumcision and if it is found that there are more consequences than benefits the practice should be banned on infants as if the practice is done for religious reasons it could be done…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:48 AM
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Simply not telling people something is not "lying by omission", that's when you tell part of the truth about something to mislead them. If you’re a ‘I don’t trust you not to fuck other guys’ kind of man, you should have this conversation before you even have sex once. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:09 AM
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If social norms changed enough where women were more willing to approach, they would still likely only approach the most attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:59 AM
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It's not a lie, and it doesn't hurt her in any way. It's not any worse than snooping on your partner's phone, it's arguably less bad even because it doesn't involve invading their privacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 09:14 AM
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Pursue hot women who have serious character flaws, have bad experiences We have no reason to believe that ugly girls are any nicer than hot girls. For the record, the same goes for men, and guys who claim that chads are "douchebags" are just coping. There are plenty of nice chads. But I will say that because attractive men have more and better options they are less likely to commit to any one individual woman, especially if that woman is lower quality and dating/sleeping up. I personally don't t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 01:51 AM
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It doesn’t affect dating in all the countries where it is legal How would you know that? Have you even lived in those countries? Legalization results in more trafficking How do you define "trafficking"?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 11:56 PM
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Or even better just do it yourself with a home testing kit lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 10:01 PM
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Don't ask for a DNA test, do it discreetly by yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 10:00 PM
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and it's a big turnoff lmao. Per your own words they're still getting laid, if they're not already married.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 01:48 AM
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dooming them to a weird kind of emotional inceldom where they have no trouble getting dates or maybe even spinning plates, but nobody wants to be their housewife, have their babies and cook their dinner. What makes you think they want the latter?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 01:06 AM
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Yes I've seen that post. Personally I wouldn't characterize simple requests to do things and rewarding/punishing your partner when they do things you like/dislike respective as "controlling behavior". I mean, if your boyfriend REALLY pissed you off, wouldn't you refuse sex and not do nice things for a while, and? It's pretty fundamental human behavior. And of course there's that popular article going around about the glass on the counter and divorce, arguing men should be willing to honor their …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 11:36 PM
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It's not what you think about it, it's what you say about it. Very vocally and confidently. I dislike dishonesty
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 05:11 PM
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Ok, then don't 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 05:06 PM
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I haven't talked much with self-identified RP guys here, and I can't say I've ever seen any guy with an RP flair saying any of those things here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 05:02 PM
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Again, he holds those some values for himself. What more can I say?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 05:01 PM
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Try searching those key words, especially "mate-guarding"(without the dash as well "mate guarding"), "aloof", "the talk", "beta provider", and especially "marriage" in the subreddit. Or even better there's this reddit search engine: https://search.pullpush.io/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 04:59 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 04:56 PM
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Yeah you sound like you base your views of them off of progressive/mainstream media lol. TRP is about self-improvement and emphasizes improving your behavioral attractiveness and to a lesser extent muscle to attract women. Incels are far more pessmistic and emphasize face/height/bone structure in attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 04:53 PM
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Well those views certainly don't represent the prevailing views in that community. Just as how there are some self-identified feminists who genuinely hate men, that doesn't necessarily mean feminism as a whole should be characterized as "man-hating".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 04:49 PM
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mixed into some far right Christian Nationalism RP is not political apart from being anti-feminist, much less religious. so as to hide the bitter incely flavor Ah, the ol' reliable, "anyone I don't like is an incel".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 04:45 PM
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Have either of them ever identified with TRP? I think they just do their own thing, they have their own views, they're the type to think of themselves as "leaders" and not "followers".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 04:44 PM
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I'm not basing my post off the sidebar, as I said I browsed the subreddit semi-frequently back in the day and read a lot of the popular posts. And this post wasn't even meant to be a comprehensive "defense" of RP, just calling out some common misrepresentations.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 04:43 PM
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Regardless, accusing him of misogyny when he holds those same values in his own life is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 04:32 PM
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This 80 cm depleted uranium punisher can get through composite armor, ERA, anything. Not just steel.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:53 PM
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Holy shit, the Olympians in Paris would be jealous of the mental gymnastics you're doing right now. They were dating, not "'friends", when she was appointed to her first position. And no, she wasn't "really qualified", it was a healthcare administration position when she had no prior experience in that field. Like, what are the odds that the exact woman he just so happens to be dating is "highly qualified" for that job, give me a fucking break. Even if she was qualified that doesn't exonerate he…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:45 PM
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I love how feminists completely ignored how Harrison Butker essentially said the same things about the value of family with regards to himself at a GATech commencement speech in 2023: https://www.ncregister.com/cna/nfl-kicker-harrison-butker-offers-grads-some-hard-truths-about-family-faith-and-cancel-culture#:~:text=The%20NFL%20star,starting%20a%20family.%E2%80%9D The NFL star acknowledged that he has been praised for his game-winning kicks, noting that Super Bowl LVII was the most-watched footb…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:27 PM
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Yes, appointed to the position by him. That's a textbook example of using sex to further your career.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:23 PM
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but I think plate-spinning means keeping the illusion of a relationship with multiple women at once. "PLate-spinning", as typically taught by TRP, involves Not being overly affectionate. Not bringing up commitment. Deflecting or refusing if they bring it up and you're not interested, depending on who's giving the advice and your individual situaiton. Like men who do this, what do they get out of it? Sex. It’s just taking advantage of someone’s feelings to get sex regularly. No one's forcing them…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:22 PM
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Did I say she got all her other positions through dating/sexual favors? No, I don't think I did. But she did get those public service positions by dating Willie, and it was part of her career. Simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:13 PM
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Im sure you overpower 80+% women even as a weak man Maybe if women weren't this fucking fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 01:59 PM
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Wrong, Willie appointed her to her first position in 1994 when they were still dating. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-11-29-mn-2787-story.html
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 01:58 PM
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If the woman is attractive he's far less likely to consider it "harassment" in the first place, there's your problem. It's not just attractive women doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:59 AM
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To be fair that's not sexual harassment if the touching isn't sexual in nature. Doesn't make it okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:59 AM
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The median weight of an American woman is a whopping 170 lbs and I weight less than that.......
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:57 AM
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The first one is very much true. She dated the California Assembly speaker Willie Brown in the early 90s and he appointed her to two public service positions. The second is a value judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:54 AM
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I can hear the crickets already.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:53 AM
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Single men are not financially providing for their female partners. Duh.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:37 AM
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Women are incredibly giving for men they're attracted to, that's just an excuse to not fuck their unattractive betabux husbands. Turn your husband into a father and you earn that controlling behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 03:06 AM
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And she paid all the bills, or split them evenly with a roommate, when she lived alone. She isn't entitled to a second daddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 01:39 AM
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Because if you’re both working full time and both putting in a good faith effort, then it’s petty to be like “ooh I make more therefore you have to do more chores or else”. And it's not petty to absolutely insist on 50/50 chore split? It's not petty to track how much your partner does and give him grief because he does a little less, ignoring his other contributions? Give me a fucking break. Above a certain income level, you can hire help (for BOTH of you) Great, so now he has to pay even more t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 05:12 PM
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I was talking about the broader western world, not the US specifically. At any rate it's tangential.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 05:10 PM
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I'm referring to being anti-feminist. You are, yes? Proudly. So why should I be kinder to you? Did I say that? I was talking about men as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:17 PM
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You are unable to consent if you are a minor. By law, the age is 18 There's the legal definition of consent and there's the ordinary, everyday, definition of consent. And for the record the age of consent is 14-16 in most western jurisdictions. And catcalling is sexual harassment. Well I wasn't talking about that, was I? So why are you shifting the goalposts?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:15 PM
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Many of your 'studies' aren't rigorous or peer-reviewed. Most of them are peer reviewed. Have you even read them? Further, what those studies show is that YOUNGER generations are moving away from gender discrimination Which one says this and where? Can you quote it? I'm very glad to see our push for equality is starting to work. A clear preference for female applicants is not "equality" And no, affirmative action is not discrimination, sorry. Giving preference to one sex is by definition discrim…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:13 PM
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They do, don't know what world you're living in. They're even pretty standard office attire for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:07 PM
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When have I ever advocated for discrimination against women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:55 PM
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Why wouldn't we be anti-feminist when feminists are so very obviously anti-men? You being nice to men only if they accept your values doesn't change anything, it's like some redneck that says "but I have a black friend"!!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:42 PM
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If you can't understand the difference between wanted and unwanted sex, or that catcalling is NOT sexual assault in any sense of the word, then I might as well go talk to a brick wall. That would be more productive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:41 PM
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women like men at least a bit taller than them "A bit taller" is the biggest meme lol. 2-3 inches for heels, which they FREQUENTLY wear, plus 2-3 inches for men to actually be noticeably taller, it's a pretty substantial difference. Then there's generalizations that are false outside the American bubble, for example: projecting Americans obsession with status and power on people in the rest of world where that just doesn't matter in most places. Status/power matters EVERYWHERE, probably even mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:39 PM
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Before only fans they just did porn. The vast majority of men watch porn. and complete lack of success Another day, another u/Lift_and_Lurk head canon.....
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:34 PM
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Being nice to a group only if they agree with your ideology is not the gotcha you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:33 PM
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It is scientifically proven that the majority of the time, companies will accept resumes from a "man" and reject the EXACT SAME RESUME if it comes from a "woman." Most of the recent gendered resume studies I've seen found favoritism for women. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/bilnd-recruitment-trial-to-improve-gender-equality-failing-study/8664888 https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1418878112 https://economics.yale.edu/sites/default/files/marley_finley.senior_essay.pdf And even in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:32 PM
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The MRM has existed since well before Onlyfans. And if you have any one of them the opportunity to screw over everyone else in MR to get laid- he would. Didn't know you could read minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:17 PM
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Whenever I post about CSA among men here, MEN are the ones to come out and say that they aren’t victims and that they enjoyed their experience. That's different, they were consenting in the ordinary sense of the word. I was talking about nonconsensual assault. Two guys once posted on the same thread that they lost their virginities at age like 14 and 17 to middle aged prostitutes. When I said that they were victims, they even got angry with me and insisted that they not only were victims, but th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:09 PM
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it doesn’t matter who makes more money. Why doesn't it matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:08 PM
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No, you're just not nice to men, period.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:07 PM
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Most litterallly do. Maybe where you live, not here. Also litterallly affirmative action is starting helping men in higher education now since there is a gap (with men disadvantaged) I haven't seen any hard evidence for this, other than a few anecdotal stories from some admissions officers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:57 PM
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Radical feminists(yes, in the academic sense) are even more hostile to men than mainstream feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:52 PM
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It’s leveling out the playing field because men have been the majority for so long. Giving women a preference over men doesn't seem like a very "level" playing field to me. And feminists would never accept this in a context that hurts women, like favoring men for university admissions because universities have been mostly female for several decades now. Also doesn’t marginalize men and when speaking about victims of violence - feminists of course will focus on female victims just like MRAs will …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:48 PM
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That's not how affirmative action works. I don't know about wherever you're from but here it means "favoring candidates from certain backgrounds over others". So yeah, it is how it works. Most litterallly do the opposite. You've clearly never read any feminist literature on rape/DV. How about y'all get grip and go 50/50 Most women don't want to go 50/50 on finances.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:42 PM
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I gave plenty of examples of how men are "marginalized" in this very post.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 11:05 AM
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Which of the things I mentioned in my post are examples of "men losing their privileges"????
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 10:44 AM
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I never said that, I'm just giving examples of how feminist activism has caused real harms to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 10:01 AM
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I thought you were referring to volunteer work, the wording was ambiguous. If that is what you meant then I cannot say I agree, because I have not seen any evidence that women provide more emotional support to others than men, especially not in the context of marriages and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 09:59 AM
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Men work substantially more than women, often due to pressure to provide for their wife/kids. But even when they are childless per the BLS(50% vs 38% of childless men and women work full-time respectively). Unfortunately we don't have as much free time as you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 09:50 AM
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She has absolutely no basis for labelling those examples as "men's rights activists" to begin with. They're not focused on combatting anti-male discrimination, they don't identify as MRAs, and the broader men's rights movement doesn't accept them as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 09:47 AM
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I’m sure you don’t have expectations of shared daily labors as much. Well, you don't know that. Plenty of women here argue men should be willing to do an equal amount of housework if they work roughly the same hours, even if he is paying the majority of expenses. Ntm, the countless single mother households not included where the dad is absentee but going on bragging that “yeah man I got kids.” Absentee dads are almost required to pay child support, which can range from a pittance for poorer dads…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 09:44 AM
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Good for you. Statistically men are the sole or primary(>60% of household income) breadwinner in half of marriages, even for childless couples. And this doesn't include some relationships where the earnings gap is closer but still substantial. https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2023/04/st_2023.04.13_breadwinner-wives_03.png Unless one parent is a SAHP, the division of daily labors should be shared. Don't disagree, but it usually is shared to some extent, women still bemoan m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 09:31 AM
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No, I didn't. Because I don't think the accusations I levied against feminist movement are the work of a "minority", they're all fairly mainstream feminist attitudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 09:25 AM
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As far as I'm concerned all these are male rights activists because they actively prioritise systems of control that hurt women and put men in a position of power by default 🤡🤡🤡🤡 These have nothing to do with men's rights or combatting discrimination against men. You can denigrate any movement if you arbitrarily attribute objectionable individuals to their movement, even when those individuals don't identify with the movement, and the broader movement doesn't accept those individuals. By the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:12 AM
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One subreddit does not represent a whole movement. The MRM barely exists outside of that subreddit, and some small blogs/groups like the Tin Men, CAFE, AVFM, etc. Unfortunately, at this moment MRA is very cohesive with manosphere overall which is full to the brim with misogyny. Can you give any examples? I'd like to see MRA and MRAs to distance themselves from manosphere MRA's don't label themselves that, it was a label coined by the mainstream media to lump together various male groups that are…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:00 AM
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I think you greatly overestimate how generous government benefits in the US are, and the type of lifestyle you will have if you're reliant on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 05:56 AM
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How are MRAs advocating for discrimination against women? Can you provide any examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 05:17 AM
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You said at the expense of men. It's a zero-sum game. Favoring women in education and employment necessarily and by definition disadvantages men. Source that men are being discriminated against. https://economics.yale.edu/sites/default/files/marley_finley.senior_essay.pdf Here is one study finding that in otherwise identical resumes, the one with the femininized name is 41% more likely to receive a callback for software developer positions https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1418878112 htt…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 05:16 AM
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Because 50 years ago women were not commonly accepted into institutions or given the same opportunities because of their gender. And that was 50 years ago. By and large that is no longer the case in developed, western, couontries. Advocating for sex-based affirmative action for the sake of equalizing outcomes is nothing more than misandry. Advocating for female victims of violence in no way downplays male victims. It does when you portray these things as gendered. https://www.womensaid.org.uk/wp…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 05:07 AM
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MRA movement desperately needs a better image for itself Our image exists in large part because the feminist dominated mainstream media is hostile to any attempts to undermine female privilege. There is no compromising here. higher addiction, alcoholism and crime rates among men do mean that more men are potentially dangerous to others and that failing boys we eventually fail both genders. I cannot speak for other MRAs, but I don't consider a difference in outcomes between men and women to be a …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:59 AM
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Advocating for discrimination in education/employment to favor women at our expense is "protecting women"? Downplaying female perpetration and male victimization when it comes to IPV and sexual violence is "protecting women"? Excluding boys from staying with their mothers at shelters, because you think they're dangerous because of their sex, is "protecting women"? Advocating for special treatment of women by the criminal justice system is "protecting women"? Downplaying men's contributions to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:58 AM
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Well I'm talking about mainstream feminists attitudes. I'm sure there are many egalitarian-minded women who may identify themselves as feminists but their views are marginalized in the mainstream feminist movement in favor of gendered, chauvinistic, stances.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:53 AM
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Bullshit. All the examples I gave are not merely overlooking/ignoring men's issues, they're actively contributing to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:52 AM
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Yeah, that's not what I was asking but you knew that. Either you're being disingenious or you genuinely live under a rock. It's very clearly feminists championing these things to increase women's representation in desirable institutions and careers. It's very clearly feminists compplaining about women being "underrepresented". Source? https://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/dar25h/mary_koss_the_cdc_and_when_a_rape_victim_is_not_a/ Like, this isn't a secret. How does this mean men's shelters …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:51 AM
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Who else but feminists are advocating for sex-based affirmative action? Feminist literature on DV and sexual assault, Duluth model, rape as patriarchal power, Koss's definition of rape in the NISVS to exclude being "made to penetrate", etc. Or literally just don't live under a rock when feminists discuss sexual violence. Women's DV shelters are run by if not supported by feminist organizations, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:42 AM
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I gave several examples of feminist hostility towards men in my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:35 AM
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Which of the allegations in my post do you object to?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:32 AM
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I think there are many women who at least somewhat identify with feminism that are sane, but I'm talking about the most vocal and activist parts of the movement, and especially the groups and institutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:32 AM
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Hostility towards an ideology is not the same as hostility towards one sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:30 AM
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Men like to tell women that no matter what choice they make, it’s the wrong choice. Or maybe men aren't a monolith and different men have different opinions? Instead women are walking away from relationships. 1 in 6 women are voluntarily celibate. Where are you getting this from?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:24 AM
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All these things are related to men's rights. Which ones do you have an issue with specifically? The one about being expected to protect stranger women? The one about being expected to pay on dates? Both of these are textbook examples of men being expected to do certain things because they're men, and being shamed if they don't. What constructive changes has anyone on that sub ever made? How is calling out and raising awareness of anti-male discrimination not constructive?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:20 AM
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Most of the content is whining about women Then by your logic women who call out misogyny by men are just "whining about men". These attitudes held by women are clear examples of misandry and any male movement that seeks to rectify male disadvantages will need to address them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:05 AM
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Why would I "ally with feminists" when feminists are at least partially responsible for some of the most egregious examples of anti-male discrimination like: Affirmative action programs in education and employment that favor women at our expense Promoting highly gendered views on domestic violence and sexual assault that downplay male victimization and female perpetration Domestic violence shelters that exclude men and boys, even the sons of abused mothers Advocating for more lenient treatment o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:03 AM
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Any criticism of feminism is not allowed there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 02:49 AM
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If the sub is overrun with men crying about how women won’t sleep with them or women’s hypergamy - well you end up with PPD and MRA The top 10 posts this month in r/MenRights are, in order of karma: Calling out a double standard in Meta AI image generation Criticizing women who expect men to help a female stranger being robbed. Criticizing women who are mocking men for asking to split the bill A u/TheTinMenBlog post about male deaths A new article about a predatory female schoolteacher A u/TheTi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 02:48 AM
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The top 10 posts this month in r/MenRights are, in order of karma: Calling out a double standard in Meta AI image generation Criticizing women who expect men to help a female stranger being robbed. Criticizing women who are mocking men for asking to split the bill A u/TheTinMenBlog post about male deaths A new article about a predatory female schoolteacher A u/TheTinMenBlog post about DV shelters refusing to accept boys A u/TheTinMenBlog post about male circumcision A u/TheTinMenBlog post about …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 02:46 AM
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Because "soy boys" are stereotypically progressive male feminists that support women's interests at our expense, and oppose the MRM and call them "misogynistic". I guarantee that the vast majority of MRAs would not have a problem with behaviorally feminine men that are politically/socially aligned with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 02:38 AM
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But then you point out that feminists overwhelmingly support universal healthcare with strong mental health services Mental health services aren't much help if their mental health issues are caused by substantive, material, issues with their lives. Such as being involuntarily celibate, being under pressure to earn more by their wives, or being divorce raped, all common male experiences. You would think pointing out that men can contest paternity and demand a DNA test would be a relief, right? "W…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 02:37 AM
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Them only being able to be considerate citizens via direct incentive is very… male. Are women any different?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 01:21 AM
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Part of being a parent is paying the bills and keeping a roof over your family's head. It's arguably more important, given how not providing your children with material essentials is illegal but emotional neglect is not. Men do far more in this respect than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 01:19 AM
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or spend the next half hour or so with the cute nurse from work sitting on my face Looks like it's time to malenursemaxx boyos
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 01:18 AM
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No, he's making a gendered argument pertaining to women specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 01:25 PM
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You'd have to be incredibly unlucky and/or hideous to never have sex or a relationship with a woman. Doesn't mean it comes easy, it's like CS grads these days that have to send out hundreds of applications to get one(probably shitty) offer. Also after a certain age women tend to insist more strongly on monogamy, which probably explains why you see male sexlessness decline drastically throughout their 20s and 30s. And often women still want our money, they still want to have families and kids, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 01:08 PM
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The "hoe phase" girl: is a minority and has no qualms with string free sex I think most women partake in casual sex, although not necessarily without qualms, especially if they catch feelings. Also, something else to note is that after divorce, men are more likely to get remarried and get remarried faster on average. If this behavior is applicable to unmarried men, and I don't see why it wouldn't be, then even with strictly monogamous relationships "chads" could be monopolizing a larger portion …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 01:06 PM
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No, he's making a gendered argument pertaining to women specifically. Can you read?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 01:02 PM
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That's why they say "maybe" to keep it vague and sound like it's 5050. "Maybe" doesn't necessarily mean a 50/50 chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 01:22 AM
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Sticking to “they earn more so they should help less” is a quick way to create a divide in a relationship. If they don’t want to do chores, maybe their “help” can be hiring a cleaning person to come in once a month, because they can afford it. That's reasonable but I doubt that most women complaining about having to do too much housework would be satisfied by that. Especially if they're neat freaks that want the house to be cleaned more regularly. Or covering more expenses so the lesser-earning …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 04:54 PM
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Treating a partnership like a transactional relationship isn’t a recipe for a happy relationship. When when complain about men not doing enough around the house, that's exactly what they're doing. Treating the relationship as transactional. Being exhausted leads to a lower sex drive. Women sleep more than men. Feeling like a maid will also lead to a lower sex drive. If they don't like it then maybe women should marry men who earn the same as them instead of pursuing the wealthiest men, and be wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 04:48 PM
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Or he can pay to have the house clean since he makes more money but her doing more hours than him not fair sorry. Why would he do that if he's already paying for the majority of household expenses?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 04:02 PM
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They earn more so they get to help less Yeah, that's how it should work. If one partner contributes more in some respects then the other partner should contribute more in others. If women don't like that then they should offer to split household exxpenses 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 03:58 PM
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Men earn substantially more than women in marriages, even in childless marriages. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the-same/st_2023-04-13_breadwinner-wives_03-png/
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 03:30 PM
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you cooked her with that one
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 07:08 AM
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Well I think it's safe to say most men care about body count to some extent, so.......
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 07:06 AM
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Nice headcanon lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 03:27 AM
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Yes it is a form of deceit How? If you told them the truth, do you think they would continue to date you? Do you think women with extremely high body counts should disclose that to every partner they meet?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 03:26 AM
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And if you are saying there is a maybe He's not lying. and acting like a couple Spending non-sexual time together doesn't mean they're a couple. People need to remember the FRIENDS part of "friends with benefits". If he wasn't doing those non-sexual things with women, I bet several women here would be accusing him of "using her for sex" or "treating her like a fleshlight". For people like you there's literally no way for a man to acceptably have non-monogamous relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 03:25 AM
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I mean no one is forcing them to keep sleeping with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 03:22 AM
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While the lawsuit was about abortion, the ruling was not. The ruling was basically that the government has no right to a patient's medical records to discover if they're doing anything wrong and against the law. What a load of horseshit. That's absolutely not the case, the government can seize virtually anything with a valid warrant and medical records are no exception. Roe v. Wade wasn't about procedure on how governments may or may not enforce abortion laws, it was about policy. The Court rule…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 08:34 AM
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In practice there's nothing stopping them from starting impeachment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 08:20 AM
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I never claimed that it was always effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 06:44 AM
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Because there is already a concerted effort to keep children out of gangs, many of which are focused on young black boys? You're avoiding my question. What if someone said that? I wasn't aware that teaching young boys how consent works was hostile. No, but singling out boys for it is, especially in the face of substantial evidence for SA perpetration by women: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1e6anhw/young_women_today_may_be_perpetrating_sexual/
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 06:36 AM
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Neither of those things are hostile to men. "Teach black boys not to join gangs" Is that hostile towards African-Americans? If so, then why is "teach boys not to rape" not hostile towards men? How many times a day is she allowed to talk about issues that directly affect her before she is "particularly outspoken?" Just a ballpark number. It's impossible to provide one. Depends on how often we see each other and how the topics get brought up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 06:02 AM
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You don't think men are stronger than women Men are conditioned from childhood to avoid violence against women specifically, even in self-defense. The vast majority aren't. or that boys deserve to have an education in that stuff aimed at them and their circumstances Not just boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 05:46 AM
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Does it frequently cockblock you? Or do a lot of them come around to your perspective?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 05:43 AM
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and don't anticipate it when my "meninism" arises. How do they react?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 05:37 AM
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Neither of those things are hostile to men. The former is frequently accompanied by rants about how dangerous men are, and the latter singles boys out. You're fine with them caring about women's issues as long as they don't say anything about it? Do you understand what the words "particularly", "outspoken", and "frequently" mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 05:34 AM
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Can you give some examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:56 AM
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I think she may boost enthusiasm in Democratic base since Biden's dementia was holding them back, but her identity, especially if she pushes too hard on that and is perceived as a "diversity pick"(as VP she certainly was), can hurt her in the swing states.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:49 AM
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If Biden isn't fit to run for President then he isn't fit to be President. Republicans should start impeachment proceedings. It won't succeed but it's good for them to make a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:46 AM
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i see misogyny almost everywhere though I bet you're either you're seeking it out or you have a very broad definition of "misogyny".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:43 AM
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Ok, I don’t really feel you directly addressed my original question Which question? How would you respond to the situation? Depends on why their partner hit them. If they were cheating I would have very little sympathy to give. If they didn't do anything objectionable I would be sympathetic. I certainly wouldn't tell them to end a long term relationship or a marriage over it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:39 AM
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Do you have a source for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:36 AM
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He has more money now lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:35 AM
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It's happening now because they want his $$$$, can you read?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:35 AM
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Hence why he called it a superpower, captain obvious......
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:33 AM
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How badly do you think Kamala's history as a prosecutor will depress progressive, and especially black, enthusiasm? How badly do you think her black female identity and her being a diversity pick for VP hurt her in the swing states?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:32 AM
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Any criticism of women is severely suppressed almost everywhere on reddit, this place is one of the few exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:27 AM
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It doesn't have to be either or.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:27 AM
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especially on reddit Reddit bans or quarantines manosphere communities while subreddits like 2XC are allowed to keep spouting shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:22 AM
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if anything i want my future partner to be feminist, i think having a partner view them and myself equal would be a good thing I think you're mistaken in believing that feminist women are more likely to support equality when it doesn't suit them. it’s usually just blunt asf and doesn’t care about feelings If men talked about women like how feminists talked about men, I'm fairly confident they would quickly be labelled as "misogynistic".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 03:48 AM
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I think I've already answered your question. "Agreed, but it's not a big deal either if it does happen." "My mom hit my dad in the past, when they were married, it's never substantially affected my relaitonship with her." And I made that claim based off of all the studies and research I have seen in the past I seriously doubt that considering that I've NEVER seen any research indicating that men are substantially more likely to use physical violence against their partners than vice versa. Unless…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 03:43 AM
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I’m not too familiar with the topic Then why did you claim that "women do it on a rate far less compared to men"???? You gonna say it’s “not a big deal” if your father slaps your mom or sister in the face? My mom hit my dad in the past, when they were married, it's never substantially affected my relaitonship with her. I guess that's not the best analogy because you only care if it's a man hitting a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 03:01 AM
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I would also add geographic origin("race") as another one but that might be a bit too spicy for this subreddit ngl.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:40 AM
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while slapping someone because of an argument is never ok, Agreed, but it's not a big deal either if it does happen. women do it on a rate far less compared to men? Nope. Anecdotally I've seen it several times in public, never the inverse. And statistically there's a lot of evidence to suggest that women are as likely or more likely than men to be physically violent towards their partners, and more likely to instigate physical altercations https://home.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/htdocs/assault.htm
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:33 AM
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banning porn is unconstitutional. I'm not so sure about that, SCOTUS has previously ruled that restricting "obscenity" would be constitutional, and pornography seemingly falls under that category.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:30 AM
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Source: "I made it up"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:29 AM
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Project 2025 is not Trump's platform. Roe v. Wade was judicial activist hogwash, and they were right to overrule it. At the RNC Trump was the one who pushed his party to drop abortion from their platform.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:28 AM
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this was from decades ago. and women slap their boyfriends and husbands all the time. womp womp.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:22 AM
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why do libs always default to "but but we won muh popular vote". it doesn't matter, who gives a shit, presidential candidates don't campaign on popular vote. republican candidates don't hold events in california and democratic candidates don't hold events in texas or florida, because it doesn't matter, they're not going to win those electoral votes anyways. they have to focus on the battleground states to win. if it was based on popular vote then they would adapt their campaigning strategies app…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:20 AM
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Is it that hard to fathom that grievances towards women aren't necessarily related to any interpersonal experiences?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 01:38 AM
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Those things have nothing to do with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 01:18 AM
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I'm sorry to hear that you have a bad relationship with your mother, if you think a good relationship is "mommy issues".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 12:43 AM
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Do you think.having a good relationship with your mom makes you a "mama's boy"? I'm sorry to hear that you didn't get to have that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 12:38 AM
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Women are increasingly outearning men ?????? https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2023/03/sr_23.03.01_gender-wage-gap-2023_01.png?resize=1024,690 The gender earnings gap has more or less remained stable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 12:20 AM
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I don't see the contradiction at all between men disliking women as a whole while still viewing their mother favorably, and I don't understand why women here think bringing up "what about your mom" is some kinda gotcha. Parents and children have a special relationship, no woman in the world will treat me like my mom does, or will ever do as much for me as my mom has. That's why we love them. I can accept that everything negative I say about women is potentially applicable to her(and much of it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 12:17 AM
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He already has? He's an elder statesman now, a lot of them give advice and endorsements.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 12:10 AM
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Ok real talk, the "men lose half their stuff in divorce" talking point isn't accurate most of the time since the majority of married women do have some earnings. But men still have more to lose because they usually substantially outearn their wives, even in childless marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 12:10 AM
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Nobody willingly marries someone who they know to be toxic and abusive, abusers are very good at hiding their true colors until their partner is trapped Some are. Some aren't. I've already mentioned this but criminal men are more sexually successful and have more kids than non-criminal men. Like, if that isn't a blaring red siren then I don't know what is. Would you blame a man who gets half his shit taken in a divorce and his kids taken away that he “should’ve picked a better woman” and that it…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 12:08 AM
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The sort of women red pill guys seem to want are nice, kind, girl-next-door types. Even "good" women mostly expect men to pay for and provide for them, and may still take advantage of us financially. we have no way of knowing for sure which women will or won't exploit us. It's like how women always bring up the poisoned apple analogy to justify stereotyping men as dangerous. "Good" women are more likely to be taken, and those who aren't can still have high standards for appearance, just like any…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 07:10 AM
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The kind of women assholes attract are not the kind you want to mess with. It's not mainly about attracting women. Being too kind, too trusting, allows you to get taken advantage of by women. Men need to harden up to protect themselves. How would you know what kind of women they attract? I can assure you nice guys don’t finish last at all. Again, how would you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 07:05 AM
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Which ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 07:00 AM
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If it's consensual then they're not "taking" sex. Sometimes money and a roof over their heads Are we talking about the manosphere or women here? Remind me, which sex usually earns more in relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 05:17 AM
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Something else the manosphere almost universally agrees on is that men shouldn't open up to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 05:17 AM
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Why would someone keep being a "good guy" if it doesn't make their life better, and being an asshole, or at the very least less agreeable, does? Tying yourself to an ideology that says you have to dehumanize and abuse half the population It's not any more "dehumanizing" than women stereotyping us as a threat. And who's "abusing" women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 05:13 AM
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But manosphere men don't want that. They still want to take things from women. Take what?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 12:09 AM
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I mean, women are far more likely to expect men to provide and pay for them than vice versa, they're more interested in our money than vice versa. Probably the vast majority to varying extents. That's why the advice is gendered. Call that "misogyny" if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 12:08 AM
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Avoid marriage, because men lose a lot of leverage against their partners when they do, men generally have more to lose in a divorce, and women initiate most divorces Avoid investing too much in women, to avoid making them view you as a provider, financially objectify you and essentially treat you like an ATM. And to filter out those who would. Prioritize your own interests(career, sexual satisfaction, etc.) over your partner's interests when they conflict. To their critics, these things ARE "mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 12:02 AM
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Is it that really the case women specifically are taken less seriously, all else being equal? Or is it that men are less willing to seek healthcare so when they do their situation is on average more serious than women's?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 11:53 PM
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They've done it for thousands of years. Notice my usage of the present tense.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 11:34 PM
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I never did, not broadly anyways. I said some men are incels and rely more on porn to get off as a result. Most men aren't incel obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 11:33 PM
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I used to watch the Whatever podcast a bit and a lot of the girls were just normal college girls from UCSB or SBCC.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 11:31 PM
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The vast majority of young men aren't really religious anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 11:30 PM
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Did you completely ignore my bolded edit?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 11:28 PM
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Men don't do it anywhere near to the extent women do, nor is it as socially acceptable for men to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 01:17 PM
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No, you claimed "reverse causation". I'm saying that lower agreeableness can make you more successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 01:15 PM
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Is it that hard to fathom that in a capitalist market economy, based on self-interest, people who prioritize themselves over others will come out on top?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 01:11 PM
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You haven’t controlled for having children and motherhood/part-time employees. Fertility has DECREASED, and men's involvement with childrearing and housework has INCREASED. Sure the gender pay gap exists but it doesn’t mean all men out earn women - and often it’s due to the fact more men are in certain fields, in leadership or work full time. None of this is relevant. What I said was in response to you claiming that the earnings gap is narrowing. It hasn't, not substantially, in spite of the tre…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 01:05 PM
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It doesn’t promote men treating women well Never said it does. Nor should they. but it doesn’t do it well and sometimes encourages men to exploit women for goals that aren’t actually beneficial to men. Let me guess, you don't think casual sex is "beneficial" to men? Women and men generalizing about the manosphere is different than the manosphere generalizing about women. If you want to do something similar to them, generalize about feminists. Women generalize men, as a sex. Did you miss the whol…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 01:00 PM
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Do they hate WGTOW or do they hate the finger-pointing and extreme hostility they direct towards men?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 12:58 PM
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I think women should absolutely empathize with men, as in understand how men feel and think. Vice versa as well. If you don't then you're just stupid. Of course, a lot of the time people use the word "empathy" when they really mean "sympathy" and that's a whole different ball game. I don't expect sympathy from women and I certainly don't have much to give.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 12:55 PM
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I've read research indicating that "nice guys finish last" really is true in financial contexts at least. Disagreeable people tend to be wealthier, agreeable people tend to be poorer.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 12:54 PM
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Sugaring is just long term escorting and everyone knows it. Which is why people laugh at the “influencers” trying to act like they know anything when they have to pay. If a woman leaves her boyfriend because he stopped spending money on her how is that substantively different? And if Romania was so corrupt then how’d he get arrested? Because he was bragging to the world about Romania's lax laws and limited enforcement, hurting their reputation..... Tate is definitely an idiot, no disagreements t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 12:41 PM
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You cannot claim women rejecting them is the reason they started consuming porn Even sexually active men watch porn. Hell, even some men in relationships watch porn. We're talking about incel men that watch porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 12:39 PM
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Oh we are moving the goalposts now to “any money spent is paying”? Didn't YOU just shift the goalposts from paying for OF to paying for sex? At any rate, sugaring is just a somewhat more explicit version of the default dynamic, one where the women are more open about expecting things. If they wouldn't be getting without shelling out, what else would you call it? Manosphere is filled with dudes that pay for sex Again, many if not most men "pay for sex". Even if this was the case(you only gave 3 e…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 12:34 PM
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They try and sell it as a science. TRP is sold as a sexual strategy/lifestyle. As is MGTOW. Incels are more scientifically inclined but they do frequently cite research papers on aesthetics to support their views. They use emotive language. “Women don’t care about you”. They don't, not unless they're related to you, or attracted to you, or a close friend. Nor should they. I don't care much about strangers either. An addict whose partner is demanding they get help, is caring about them, not expos…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 12:30 PM
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again literally what does this have to do with the claim that women knowingly date men who will abuse them? I didn't quite say that. I said: when they knowingly choose toxic men that wear it on their sleeve No one has a crystal ball, any partner may or may not be abusive. So strictly speaking no woman will "knowingly date men who will abuse them" But it's not uncommon for women to get with men with major red flags indicating probability of abuse, like criminality! Because they're physically attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 12:17 PM
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Walter, Myron, and whoever kSam is are only three men. And frankly any man that needs to spend money on women to have sex/relationships is "paying for sex"(many if not most men), albeit indirectly. I seem to remember that you yourself have previously affirmed this is how dating works, that men are supposed to pay, and men who can't afford it shouldn't expect female attention. Also T8also was paying them. As employees. To work for him...... Notice not a single one stuck around when his back accou…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 12:10 PM
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If someone is a criminal that's a blaring red siren for abuse/toxicity but most of them still have no problem getting female attention. the analogy you used is not even accurate to this situation, its more like if your partner stole your car who had access to your car keys, not a random stranger I think my analogy was fine. In both cases the bad outcome(being abused and having your car stolen respectively) wasn't guaranteed but your actions increased the probability of them occuring.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 12:04 PM
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I don't think just "playing the game" can tell you anything about female aesthetic preferences in general, only whether they find YOU attractive or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 12:02 PM
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Fnf: both admit to sugaring Kinda pathetic but nearly as bad as paying for OF. At least they're getting laid. T8 literally arrested with camgiris in his home He was pimping them lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 12:01 PM
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There's plenty of research indicating that criminal men are more sexually active, and father more children, but go off.....
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 11:59 AM
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Another day, another u/Lift_and_Lurk headcanon.....
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 11:54 AM
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I also have disdain for tradcons. But IMO incels are right a lot about a lot of things when it comes to aesthetics. They probably understand aesthetics, and the female gaze especially, better than the vast majority of men. I'm not saying their mindset is healthy I'm just saying there's factual merit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 11:53 AM
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nobody willingly chooses to date someone who they know is abusive/toxic "x to doubt" whilst simultaneously never blaming men for when they are toxic I do, but I don't need to say it because basically everyone agrees! It's like if you leave your car unlocked and it gets stolen, obviously most peoples reaction will be to question why you didn't lock it. It doesn't mean they don't think the thief is culpable, no need to state the obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 11:41 AM
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Again, I agree, but unfortunately many men are too afraid to lose what they have. And men are generally conditioned from childhood to accept marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 09:06 AM
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what need is there to get out of your comfort zone as a kid if you have your needs met in an artificial way Celibate men/boys who watch porn still overwhelmingly want sex and relationships with real women. Hell, many sexually active men, and even men in relationships, still watch porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 09:05 AM
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I agree, men should do that and they can have fulfilling relationships with women if they do. But women push really hard for marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 09:04 AM
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stupid women with their free will to have sex only with the people they desire I never bemoaned it, I was just offering an explanation. People like you always treat porn/gaming as the cause whereas I think it's far more likely to be a symptom of women's increasing selectiveness and hostility towards being approached by unattractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 09:02 AM
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were they bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 09:00 AM
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Am I the only guy here that really hates women for their parasitism? Like that's my only real grievance towards women in the context of dating. I'm not bothered in the slightest by body count, chad-chasing, boss bitches, cat ladies, whatever. These same few repetitive topics keep coming up here, but none of these things actually harm you as a man. Women's financial parasitism does.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 08:59 AM
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The majority of violent crimes are committed by men and they are the stronger sex. Primarily against other men. Many violent crimes are motivated by economic incentives and not anger So many boys that get bullied might be fine when they grow up given time to develop if they avoided all that rp crap, instead they might end up spewing rp and blackpilled Better than being ignorant and condemning themselves to celibacy because women downplay the importance of appearance, to preserve their own image.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 08:52 AM
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Do women not deserve to be criticized when they knowingly choose toxic men that wear it on their sleeve? Especially if they get bitter and blame men as a whole for what happened to them? I understand that not all toxic men do, but still. It's like if a man went on Seeking and complained about how all the girls there are gold diggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 08:48 AM
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I have a hard time believing they would let that slide, most vegans I've met have pretty strong ethical views against meat consumption and all exploitation of non-human animals. This doesn't necessarily mean they were unpleasant or abrasive people, but still.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 08:46 AM
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Men earn more on average sure but again this trend is changing and The earnings gap between men and women has mostly remained stable over the past two decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 08:44 AM
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Sometimes anger is justified. unlike women You sure about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 08:27 AM
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it seems like beggars can in fact be choosers sometimes...... why did the vegan charity allow the chicken soup anyways?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 08:14 AM
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NGL my recent post has got me thinking, and made me realize that in the manosphere there's a pretty substantial division between the "old guard" and the new tradcon wave. The "old guard"(OG TRP, MGTOW, MRA's to a lesser extent) generally advises men to detach themselves from women. Avoid spending too much on women, avoid falling too hard for them, to prioritize your own career, and above all to avoid marriage. Though even OG TRP admittedly did advise men to take on a masculine, leading, role in …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 08:12 AM
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That's even worse honestly, you're not doing a good job helping others and you're still sacrificing your leisure time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 07:51 AM
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I've interacted with this user many times before, they rarely participate in good faith and frequently deflect, strawman, ignore parts of your response, shift the goalposts, etc. They are doing that in this very thread. Civility and good-faith discussion is a two-way street. saying if you think all red pillers just want men to go to the gym or something No, he strawmanned me by saying "are we pretending that red pillers just want guys to go to the gym now", when I never said that I explicitly de…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 07:48 AM
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Marriage is usually disadvantageous to whomever financially earns more Which party earns more in the vast majority of heterosexual marriages? Which sex specifically seeks out partners that substantially outearn them for marriage, and is incredibly hesistant to marry partners that earn less than them? sacrifice their career I take issue with this common talking point because it's a counterfactual. You don't have a crystal ball, you don't know how your career would have been turned out like if you…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 07:46 AM
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The onus is on you to prove your claim. Can you even give some examples? Most of the time when I see people describe some animals as "matriarchal" they completely misunderstand the social structure.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 07:24 AM
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I disagree, they absolutely do. Sometimes the interpersonal toll is not worth the financial benefits of staying in the marriage, and they still have a lot to gain from divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 07:24 AM
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I physically cringe every time I hear a w*man here tell guys to meet women by volunteering. People already spend more than enough of their lives working to make a living, why the hell should people work even more without getting paid? Let people have their leisure time dammit, god knows we need it. Maybe it's not so bad for them because they generally work less than men, but they need to have some empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 07:21 AM
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Which is more or less what I said in my post lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 07:07 AM
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wife divorces fat and bald husband of 20 years because she's no longer attracted to him women: "she has the right to seek happiness, no one should be forced to stay in a marriage they don't want to teehee" husband divorces fat and wrinkly wife of 20 years because he's no longer attracted to her women: "(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ THIS IS WHY WE CHOOSE THE BEAR!!!!" Women's double standards when they exercise their personal autonomy vs. when men exercise our personal autonomy are truly s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 07:04 AM
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Why would we empathize with the group that habitually vilifies us?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:57 AM
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They generalize. And women don't generalize men? Be for real lol the acronym is AWALT not SWALT For me personally it would be "most women are like that". And the way TRP explains AWALT is that all women are inclined towards certain behaviors which can be moderated by different factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:56 AM
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I just hate the rhetoric claiming that women act in a ways that goes against their own happiness. Many people act in ways that will make them unhappy, in the short term or the long term. Complaining about their high standards, claiming they were happy before feminism, how dare their decide to be single, cutting their hair short, etc. I only see this with the tradcon leaning parts of the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:45 AM
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When women criticize men for stereotyping and being precautious towards women, to protect our own interests, but frequently advise other women to do the same to men(or at the very least tolerating it), what's going on is pretty obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:44 AM
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this is women literally do everything for men Good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:42 AM
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Should you actually fully submit to your role as a man, as you expect women to fully submit to their role as a woman You can't control how women behave. Not fully, anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:41 AM
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the type of advice they give about dating usually doesn't quite work out well, in the sense that their followers, aren't really attracting normal women, they're attracting, practically, escorts. How would you know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:39 AM
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Are these men in the room with us right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:38 AM
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Who gives a shit about them, they certainly don't care about us, as a group.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:37 AM
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Its women should be submissive housewives Its you should lie and cheat and its okay if men cheat but not the other way around. Its how it vilifies single mothers (but not the men who produce the children!) You're cherrypicking, these are just the worst and most universally objectionable examples. Many manosphere groups(OG TRP, Brian from Whatever podcast, MGTOW, MRAs, etc) don't say these things yet women still vilify them. If they just told men to hold boundaries and self-improvement it would b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:32 AM
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How do you think women view us? Do you live under a rock?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:27 AM
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Me when I make things up:
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:26 AM
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I hate feminism because feminists downplay female wrongdoing, exaggerate male wrongdoing, and advocate for sex-based affirmative action policies in education and employment that benefit women at our expense. If there was a WGTOW movement merely telling women to avoid sexual and romantic relationships with men I would not have a problem with that in the slightest.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:01 AM
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But as soon as you’re being loud as fuck and saying hateful shit for internet clicks Saying that women frequently take advantage of men and telling men to be cautious of women, is no more hateful than saying men frequently take advantage of women and telling women to be cautious of men. Which basically all women say ALL THE TIME.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:00 AM
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All animals are mostly matriarchal ???????
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 05:58 AM
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They literally promote infidelity. Examples? They say women should be submissive and like sex slaves. This is hyperbolic even for the most extreme factions like Tate and F&F. Ultimately, this post was not meant to be an exhaustive defensive of everything that an individual or group identified with the "manosphere" says or does. I personally disagree with plenty of things Tate and F&F have said. But what I outlined are some core attitudes towards dating and relationships in the broader "manospher…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 05:57 AM
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Yeah I’ve saved a lot of friends from slipping into red pill ideology "Saved" them from what? Becoming more sexually successful and learning how to protect themselves from women?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 02:43 AM
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Chads that lean towards monogamy are probably more blue-pilled, chads that lean more towards sleeping around are probably more red-pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 02:41 AM
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Honestly, I've yet to see any compelling evidence for substantial, systemic, societal disadvantages for women. Most of their disadvantages are biological.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 02:39 AM
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Ever see most successful men ? They are all ugly and their bodies are breaking down. Ugly? No, beauty is positively correlated with wealth/income in both sexes? But the second part is true, yeah. Most high-earning male-dominated careers are incredibly stressful and demanding, not just the physically demanding blue collar wor but also white-collar professions like finance or hospitalist doctors that require long hours and/or extensive education. Software development prior to the recent recession …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 02:37 AM
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I think it makes sense actually. Of course you do, you would never accept any explanation that incriminates women. Women are familiar with being victimized but also have a lower threshold for what they consider harassment or even assault. Against them. Against women. Not necessarily against men Because women are more sensitive to these things they may be more likely to interpret their own behavior as predatory even if a man didn’t see it that way I disagree, this assumes that women don't have st…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 01:07 AM
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I've seen plenty of other research on this topic, including those focusing on male perpetration, without the same checks you mentioned. Or at least they weren't explicitly described in the methodology. Just want to reiterate that this isn't even as likely as just trolls/bots/people in foreign countries who barely speak English who are using other people's accounts on the MTurk platform. How would you know that? That and the fact he thinks that women who claim to have been raped have incentives t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 01:03 AM
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Your mental gymnastics would make an Olympian jealous.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 11:10 AM
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You need to separate your links or else it comes up as a single link. The first is about body image, not perceptions of wrongdoing against others. The second is about general low self-esteem, again, no mention of wrongdoing against others. The third is about confidence on test performance. The last is about how victim/perpetrator gender affects the likelihood of the victim reporting non-intimate partner physical assaults, completely unrelated. None of these are related to perception of own wrong…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 09:42 AM
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Within certain spaces there’s a lot of tension between genders and a drive to show one gender is ‘just as bad’ as the other. These spaces are fringe and most people have never heard of them, apart from maybe Andrew Tate in passing. And typically people give demographic information before the main body of a survey, although admittedly I cannot be 100% certain that was the case here since the authors do not specify. There’s also a possibility the question was misread. When I first read your post I…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:44 AM
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Low self-esteem can manifest itself in multiple ways, I absolutely don't see a trend of low self-esteem being consistently associated with being more likely to admit wrongdoing. If you have any evidence to the contrary you're welcome to share it. In a relationship, for instance, it can manifest as controlling/jealous behavior, and blaming the other party for everything. In incels, and sexually unsuccessful men generally, it often manifests as bitterness and blame towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 06:28 AM
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The vast majority of women here are indifferent at best to male sexual success or failure. Not that I expect them to care. We universally want men here to succeed, but men won't listen to women. Why should they? Your "advice" will always be skewed by wanting to protect your own interests, as women. And reflexively denying anything that makes you look bad, even if it's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 05:45 AM
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Sucks for him, but if he's not the real dad then the child's life and existence is not his responsibility. Don’t pretend that abandoning a child a man has raised and loved for years is anything other than revenge on her. Love is never truly unconditional.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 05:16 AM
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What does women's body image and self-esteem have to do with their recognition of female perpetrated sexual violence? Women almost exclusively talk about it in terms of male perpetrators and female victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 05:12 AM
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https://rutgerssocialcognitionlab.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/9/7/13979590/rudmangoodwin2004jpsp.pdf It's not just "danger". And regardless that's not relevant to the point I was making. Justifiably or otherwise, women very much view their own sex more favorably, contradicting the original commenter's claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 05:09 AM
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Source? And even if that were the case in athletic contexts, it's not necessarily the case in all contexts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 04:13 AM
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Not labelling something as "creepy" doesn't mean you like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:23 AM
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Regardless, I don't see why they would have any incentive to lie about gender. Most research on this topic I've seen doesn't involve face to face sex/gender verification, including the ever popular NISVS. All three of the studies you refeend in your comment did not verify sex/gender either, they were online surveys.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 02:56 AM
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Convincing, guilting, power imbalances etc are all tactics used to pressure someone into sex. So, I'm not sure what your distinction is about here. I think the fact that they specified refusal by the recipient("even though they indicated ‘no’ to your sexual advance?") reduces the probability of respondents including verbal pressure. If you do that successfully they would give affirmative consent, then that's a clear indication of "yes" which can be thought to override the previous "no", if that …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 02:55 AM
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Here's another study I've seen that defines sexual assault narrowly but in a gender neutral fashion that would include men being made-to-penetrate, in a manner that aligns with the criminal standard. https://sci-hub.se/https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-012-9943-5 The lifetime prevalence of committing sexual assault was assessed with an item embedded in the antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) section. All NESARC participants were asked the following question:‘‘In your entire lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 01:19 AM
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One clear finding from our review was that for 19 of 20 studies, the overall sexual aggression rates of women were lower than comparable rates for men. I already discussed this in another top-level comment which you may not have seen(look through the comments), didn't include it in the post because I thought it was too wordy. But generally these studies define "sexual aggression" broadly which includes things like convincing, lying, guilting, power imbalances, etc. It's not synonymous with sexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:49 AM
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Choking, slapping, "rough" sex Right, whatever you think of these things, it's not remotely comparable to forcing sex on someone against their will. That's rape. Which is what this post is about. ignoring (non-)verbal cues etc You have a mouth that can speak. Non verbal cues of displeasure or unhappiness may not be easily noticed, and even if they are they don't necessarily indicate non-consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:28 AM
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My post is primarily about younger men and women not older ones, per the title. Older people are the past, they're no longer dating much, they're not that sexually active. Young people are the present and future.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:25 AM
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on the contrary, sexually desirable people have less reasons to lie because people will like them anyway What does someone's sexual desirability have to do with their responses to an online survey? Who are they trying to get to "like" them?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:23 AM
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Interesting flair. But what can I say, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:22 AM
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I have very, very, little reason to believe that explanation considering how underrecognized female-perpetrated assault against adult men is, and how women almost exclusively talk about sexual assault in the context of them being the victims and men being the perpetrators(especially the latter).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 11:24 PM
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So, instead of throwing out one for not being perfect (when none of them are), use all of them and make sure to note biases and restrictions of each method. Given systemic underreporting crime statistics are much further from being "perfect". Feminists almost never reference crime statistics when discussing the prevalence of female sexual assault victimization for this exact reason. I think it comes off as an unspoken rule, oddly enough. Right, if by your own admission, you don't even have anecd…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 11:20 PM
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It's perfectly acceptable for you to feel that way, if it were me I would probably be pretty bothered if it was an unattractive woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 11:06 PM
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Since the age of 18, have you ever pressured or forced someone to have sexual contact which involved touching of sexual parts of their body (but not sexual intercourse) even though they indicated ‘no’ to your sexual advance? A second item was identical except for referring to acts “which involved having sexual intercourse”. Of all the questionnaires I've seen this is by far the closest to the prevailing legal standard for sexual assault. The only limitation is the inclusion of the word "pressure…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 11:04 PM
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A woman typically cannot overpower a man physically That's true in most cases, but it's not a requirement for criminal sexual assault, even in the absence of intoxication. Most states have specifically changed criminal law in recent decades to remove the element of physical force/resistance for sex assault crimes. Men may not use physically resist unwanted advances since we've been conditioned from childhood to avoid using force against women. And there are very real legal/social risks to doing …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 11:01 PM
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I mean you haven't provided a source, so. Also, married men work more, and women select wealthier men for marriage to begin with. Correlation is not necessarily completely causal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 10:43 PM
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In order to understand the statistics of any crime, we can't just ask the perpetrator if they think they did the wrong thing. We have to look at the actual objective victimization and crime rates Many crimes, especially sexual assault, and even more so sexual assault against men, don't reach police attention. Surveying for perpetration and victimization is a better way to determine the prevalence. And perpetrators, due to the empathy. I can't say I've ever seen a woman start a conversation indic…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 10:31 PM
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https://www.mturk.com/worker/help There's a substantial application process and ID verification to be an MTurk worker.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 10:28 PM
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If everything you both earned is split roughly evenly on divorce and you earn substantially more, you have a lot to lose in a divorce, seems obvious. A single dude wouldn't get divorced. What are you on about?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 10:21 PM
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https://sci-hub.se/https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00224499.2020.1733457
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:54 PM
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I agree with that take actually, but even if it does severely affect them few people would take them seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:53 PM
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that men can be victims Primarily only in the context of statutory cases or by other men. If I had a penny for every time a feminist claimed "by other men!!!!" whenever I brought up male victimization, when it couldn't be further from the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:52 PM
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You misunderstand. The survey asked the respondents about their own perpetration, not victimization. Read my post again. Slowly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:50 PM
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My mistake, I linked the wrong research paper. Corrected in the post. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00224499.2020.1733457 Then again, that one doesn't really contradict what I said, that statistics includes a broad range of behaviors, such as: sexual arousal, emotional manipulation and lies, and intoxication, That are not criminal and arguably not nonconsensual. Whereas my post is focused on criminal sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:40 PM
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of that last one would be to look at a situation where a male perpetrator and female perpetrator did a similar thing with similar evidence and a similar criminal history, and we can track that the female perpetrator got off more lenient or was less likely to be found guilty This is a non-starter. Women are almost never prosecuted for sexual assault against adult men. Especially given that resources for victims are usually catered to women and victimization is higher for women, it would make sens…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:35 PM
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And the same may be the case for women, as I said no self-report survey is perfect, but this is the best we have.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:32 PM
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I think it depends, if she's willing to be egalitarian on finances a DINK lifestyle could be very comfortable. But I don't think that many are. And if you're married and you earn more than her, you have a lot to lose in a divorce. And, of course, if you have kids all that goes out the window.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 02:02 PM
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Money is arguably not the most valuable thing in life, time is. What good is a boatload of money if you don't have the free time to enjoy it, to spend it? And married men, especially those with children, are notoriously short on free time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:59 PM
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Please try to find some and link it here when you get the chance, if true I think it would be an important contribution to the discourse here. If you do I think I'll make a post about it, and I'll credit you with providing the initial sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:55 PM
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Statutory rape is a different issue. This post isn't about that, this is about, quite literally, women having sex with men, against their will.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:53 PM
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Although recognition of male SA victims has definitely increased in recent years, this recognition is primarily only in the context of victimization by other men or in statutory cases. Most people still don't really recognize perpetration by adult women, against adult men. I doubt many women have ever considered themselves as potential perpetrators in the discussion surrounding sexual violence. I think women are in fact getting more aggressive, as a side-effect of increasingly liberal and egalit…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:52 PM
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I can't say that I've seen women frequently get "blamed" for being sexually assaulted in western countries. And I think automatically believing complainants when they publicly accuse someone, or make a criminal complaint, is dangerous because of the incentives they have to lie. But if a woman, or a man, privately confided in me that they were assaulted by someone I'm not close to, I would most likely give them the benefit of the doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:42 PM
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Can you link any specific articles? I seem to remember reading some studies in the past indicating that, but I can't find them anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:36 PM
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I'm not sure how you would "control" for that statistically. Merely the fact that men are raised to view themselves are perpetrators could lead them to answer less honestly, whilst women may not be as phased by "perpetration involving nonconsensual touching" etc. Really? I'm not sure I agree, if anything I think men are more likely to recognize past perpetration than women since they were raised to view themselves as potential perpetrators. Whereas the possibility of being an SA perpetrator prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:32 PM
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Not a bad idea. On a smaller scale study you could easily do that. On a larger scale study it would be more difficult, but still doable, since raters would need to work to categorize the incidents. But some people may have perpetrated multiple times, so which one would they describe? And some might not want to bother writing out and describing even one incident, respondent fatigue is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:26 PM
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Someone else brought up a problem with the definition, since it includes the word "pressured" some respondents might take it to include verbal pressure, which is not criminal, and arguably not nonconsensual either. Generally, the fundamental element of criminal sexual assault/rape, at least in the US, is having intercourse with someone despite their verbal refusal(or physical resistance). Unless one were to verbally convince them and secure affirmative consent after the initial refusal. If I wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:25 PM
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Yes, the use of the word "pressured" is a limitation here if the goal is to estimate the prevalence of criminal sexual violence, which could lead some respondents to include cases of verbal pressure. Whatever you think of it, it's clearly not comparable to outright forcing someone against their will, and it's not a crime. However, I think this is mediated by the part specifying verbal refusal by the other party.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:16 PM
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This post was inspired by a post I saw from u/TheTinMen, a men's rights blogger. I love their work, it's always fact-based and thought-provoking. I do hope they participate here as well in the future, to hopefully elevate the standards of discussion.... Further comments, too wordy to be included in the main post: I like this definition a lot, it's simple and it is roughly aligned with the prevailing legal standard for criminal rape/SA throughout the United States, which is ignoring the recipient…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 12:53 PM
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At least you're consistent, but I can't say I agree with your philosophy on equalizing outcomes regardless. And more attention does not necessarily mean more time, you previously brought up special ed classes and I don't think those kids spent any more time in school than the rest of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 05:41 AM
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I think the major issue is that it’s unclear whether this “slower maturity” is actually innate and biological versus merely being cultural or a mere choice that boys make to not mature as fast. It is very much biological, boys enter puberty later, certain neurological indicators of brain development come later, etc. I’d have no problem with it if it creates better crops of men going foward. Really? Is that so? And what would you say to the inevitable massive female backlash at boys getting mroe …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 05:19 AM
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You literally are advocating in your other comment for men to be treated better in certain instances, Where? And why does everything have to be some weird, childish “tit for tat” thing where you feel like you have to keep score with women on everything? It's not about "keeping score". I'm objecting to attitudes such as yours that consider it acceptable to treat women favorably in certain circumstances, but never men. Get over it and stop expecting to be treated exactly like a woman when you aren…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 05:17 AM
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Your league is what you can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 05:08 AM
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Does a parent’s kids need to provide some sort of equal service in order to get protection from the parents? Parents are responsible for the existence of their children. I'm not responsible for the existence of anyone. I just don’t believe it’s some required in order to pay back some type of “imaginary debt” How come you only ever think men are "required" to do things? Most people simply look to protect those weaker than them out of sheer love for the person. Again, you're stating facts but not …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 04:59 AM
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Is it “ageism” to not beat up and kid or an elderly person because of their age? (Even if they’re trying to provoke a fight)? What do you mean by "trying to provoke a fight"? Self defense is justified if they are physically attacking you, or if you reasonably believe they are imminiently about to. And plenty of kids, and even elderly people, can hurt you. Ask any nurse in a care facility who has to deal with dementia patients. Is it “ableist” to suggests that people with special needs should be …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 04:55 AM
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The obligation isn’t that random strangers protect women When you said "men" you did not specify. Of course if that’s the case, many women will gravitate towards the men that are willing to protect them. You have explained that this phenomenon exists which I doubt many here will object to. You have not justified it, in the social context of widespread condemnation of ANY gendered responsibilities placed on women. If you think this attitude is acceptable is the attitude that women, uniquely, shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 04:48 AM
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Well for one thing, it can be hard to find a guy who isn’t a bit sexist one way or the other, and clearly, a benevolent sexist is safer and more pleasant to be around than a hostile one. This doesn't describe the disparity between "benevolent sexist" Second, women may not perceive these behaviors as sexist Of course you don't, it's only "sexist" when it hurts you but "kind and considerate" when it benefits you. I mean am I a benevolent sexist because I cook my partner dinner most nights? Have yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 04:33 AM
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Ehh.. I hear what you’re saying to a certain extent, but the way that I personally define “sexism” would be a hostile or discriminatory attitudes or behaviors towards someone due to their sex alone. Is telling me that I have an obligation to protect someone due to my sex not discriminatory? If someone told a woman that she has an obligation to birth and raise children because of her sex, would you call that "discriminatory"? I don’t believe that treating someone more kindly or leniently in certa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 04:26 AM
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If I say “men shouldn’t hit women because women are weaker than men on average” or if I say “men should protect women because men are stronger than women”… By the dumbass definition of this article, that would count as “benevolent sexism”. But it’s not sexist to simply acknowledge biological realities. These statements aren't merely acknowledging facts about human sexual dimorphism. They're prescribing action that differentiates between the sexes based on those facts, which is the textbook defin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 04:24 AM
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I wouldn't call that indifference. I would call that being demanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 08:13 AM
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what kind, that's not specific enough. indian? pakistani? arab?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 08:05 AM
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which is sad especially considering how indifferent women are towards men. Are they? The vast majority of women are not single and celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 08:03 AM
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what race/ethnicity are they?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 08:01 AM
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there needs to be more right wing pro-palestinians smh
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:46 AM
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probably both then tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:15 AM
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Your metabolism is fucked by excessive carbohydrate consumption, as is the case for many people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:04 AM
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in order to reset your ghrelin levels to normal and fix your appetite it's recommended to eat 5 small meals a day. Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:04 AM
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the idea that people "need" 3 meals a day is probably a substantial contributor to the obesity epidemic. it's completely arbitrary and there is no reason you need to eat that often. humans are not grazing herbivores. there's only so much you can eat in one sitting, so if you only eat one or two meals a day you will probably end up eating less.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 04:35 AM
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The vast majority of people on this planet are "poor" by your standards but they get by just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:26 AM
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You're not a tiger, or a leopard. Humans are fundamentally social animals and most people will be "conformist" and care what others think about them to some extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:24 AM
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That's different, because humans are much less homogenous than ingredients and appliances.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:18 AM
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My bar is not that high but the anecdotal experiences of a single person, or even a few people, has very little evidentiary value because it's so incredibly restricted in scope.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 11:47 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 11:45 PM
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Yeah, and if you ask me a lot of RP is bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 10:53 AM
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You can't stop people from complaining. I think a better way to phrase the core of OP's argument is that women are frequently hypocritical when they support other women leaving perfectly decent partners because they just don't like them anymore, but criticize men for doing the same, especially if their new partner is younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 10:53 AM
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That's true, and not automatically favoring your sex isn't necessarily a bad thing. If anything it's pretty textbook "sexism". But it's a leap to go from that to: men have 0 empathy for divorced men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 07:51 AM
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I know a guy..... Post disregarded. Please include some real evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 07:47 AM
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but it's not a uniquely female trait. No behavioral traits are unique to either sex, by your logic feminists should never, ever, talk about "toxic masculinity" ever again. There is a lot of research to suggest that women have a substantially stronger in-group bias than men. Additionally, this study by a graduate student at UWaterloo found that when men don't treat women especially favorably("benevolent sexism"), women tend to interpret that as "hostile sexism"(ie misogynistic). Dr. Disrespect se…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 03:51 AM
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Yes I'm aware, what was the point of your comment then?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 02:29 AM
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And those child support guidelines often stipulate support even when parenting time is equal, I know for a fact that's the case where I live in Ontario.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 04:54 AM
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Yep, it's called Latina and Asian immigrant ladies
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 04:01 AM
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That's literally what my parents did when I was younger. I think some of them were paid less than $15 an hour.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 02:11 AM
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However, in current day, do men not covet "rich girls"? Not particularly. Similarly, upper middle-class women and new money rich girls will date a middle-class man if he is competent, driven, and educated. Do you have any evidence for this? The way you word it sounds like they're betting on him substantially growing his income and wealth. Is there some study that says that women and women only are hypergamous? Please discuss. Research on partner preferences consistently find that women prioritiz…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 01:27 AM
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So your daughter's boyfriend looked greasy as a pan and who's body odor could be smelled from six feet away ???
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 11:15 PM
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You can hire a domestic servant to do those tasks for less than $15 an hour. I think women overvalue the homemaker role. It's important, sure, but it's simple, easy, relatively low-stress, requires no education or experience, and above all you can do it in the comfort of your own home. Big emphasis on the last one seeing as how broadly unpopular RTO mandates were after the pandemic. And if they're you're own children you should enjoy spending time with them to some extent, if you view it as just…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 10:09 PM
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I would demand one with a high payout infidelity clause "Lifestyle" clauses, especially infidelity clauses, are very rarely enforceable. and a flat rate per child comparable to a surrogate rate. The average surrogate compensation in the US is like 50k, and in this case it's your child too, which you are also responsible for, so a "fair" rate would be half that. Also prearranged 50/50 custody agreement so I don't have to be single mom who keeps the kids 90% of the time. I would forfeit child supp…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 10:04 PM
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Mainstream feminism posits that women are an oppressed group, yes If you characterize women as oppressed then you are suggesting women have it worse, that all else being equal it's better to be a man than a woman. I don't know what else you would call that but an "oppression contest". So to me feminism seems like one huge "motte and bailey". Ordinarily they assert how women are the primary oppressed sex, that men are generally privileged, etc, the "motte". But when their ideological opponents ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 04:51 AM
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https://sunnah.com/muslim:2128#:~:text=and%20the%20women%20who%20would%20be%20dressed%20but%20appear%20to%20be%20naked bismillah the messenger (SAW) predicted this
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 04:39 AM
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Is feminism a competition about who has it worse? "Women have it worse" is very much a core tenet of mainstream feminism, given their theories of patriarchy and male privilege. Because of this, many believe feminists hate men. (They don’t) Feminists are not a monolith, for better or for worse. I would say at the very least a substantial minority is quite hostile to men, and the majority downplays this and defends this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 04:37 AM
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No you don't, not until you're actually exclusive. You've said countless times that women usually want monogamy, so if she's interested in you you're not going to have to do much convincing. The more difficult part is finding women who are interested in you in the first place, so most men have to appeal to the largest amount of women possible to improve the odds of that. Men cannot afford to focus on making themselves appealing for a single specific woman, in hopes of winning her over, because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 11:38 PM
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No one said anything about "dating multiple women", can you read? You're talking past me and him. We're talking about doing what it takes to appeal to the largest amount of women in the first place, in hopes that at least one of them is interested in us. Not about someone who's already in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 05:47 PM
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did you google?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 04:53 PM
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please touch grass
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 04:08 PM
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without googling, what does APFSDS stand for?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 04:07 PM
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Most men can't afford to hyperfocus on any specific woman, it's too much effort and the chances of her being interested back are fairly low. The only viable option is to cast a wide net. And why the hell would we "care about you" when we're not even dating you yet? Anyways, hope this helps!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 03:36 PM
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They rather play games and watch porn, than to put in the effort to get sex. How are you so sure they haven't tried? Or that they aren't currently trying? Yaawwwn. The tiny sample size, especially once you cut it down to that age range and sex, makes it highly plausible to me. I think it's what, only a few hundred?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:47 PM
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You still fail to show how less sex is something that is against what young men want. Anecdotal evidence aside, Alex has referenced experimental studies where most men accept sexual invitations by a stranger, so I doubt that. Sure, if you make a plausible argument for why isolation leads to more casual sex or more relationship formation. I think it's a fluke.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 11:51 AM
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The study finds a reduction of PIV intercourse from 2009 to 2018, and has it's own explanation for why that might be the case: Nowhere do i read about women having too high standards for men. Or anything regardings OPs or your ideas for this decrease. They can come to their conclusions and I can come to mine. I should note that gaming and porn frequently gets trotted out as probably cause for why young men are having less sex, as they have here. But they always fail to sufficiently address the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 11:02 AM
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No one is talking about "hurting" or "bashing" anyone, unless you consider men exercising the personal and sexual autonomy to be "hurting" others.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 10:34 AM
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Jesus, no. That was not a major example and not relevant for anything. Look at the data, not at an entry vignette of an overly stereotyped man with a low body count due to other factors than attractiveness. I just did. Again, the data he gives in that article is from the late 90s/early 2000s, when Americans were substantially more religious than they are now. Then you haven't read Alex enough, it seams. What article is that from? You can't be serious dude. This study is again based on the GSS da…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 10:27 AM
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I've read my fair share of DatePsychology and I think my main problem with it is that Alex draws broad conclusions about the present based on data from past decades, when society is changing faster than it has ever before. For instance, if that chart is from him, it includes data all the way back to 1996. The prevailing manosphere stance is that women have become more selective recently and height matters substantially more for dating-age men NOW than it did in the 1990s-2000s. The i*cel subcult…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 09:42 AM
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Because most men don't want to be single and celibate....
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 09:19 AM
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Yes, it comes up frequently, but it's rarely discussed in earnest. It's always just a female hivemind trashing the man in question for being "selfish" and a "pig" without meaningfully addressing the underlying issue of sexual expectations and reasonable sacrifices in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 09:12 AM
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Yall still assume the trad role but only when it benefits u. I think in mainstream culture women are far more demanding of traditional roles in their partner than men. It's far more socially acceptable for a woman to say that she wants a man to pay for things than it is for a man to say that he wants a woman who does to do the housework. And yes, there are still ladies with trad values, just cause u can't find them, doesn't mean they don't exist Hunting unicorns is a waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 07:56 AM
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Those values are at least 30 years out of date I would say. A conservative here might commend you, I would gently advise you to keep in mind that some problems just aren't solvable, and you can't really force people to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 07:53 AM
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Have you made posts about how to best support and care for a partner who's been raped too? No, because I've read more than enough posts and comments on Reddit with tips and guidelines for this situation, and because I have lived experience supporting loved ones through difficulties. Whereas this topic is far more controversial and I've never seen it discussed in earnest.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 07:52 AM
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So you're telling me that if you got married, you would never divorce your husband? (except if he was abusive or something)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 07:49 AM
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The moment sex becomes a "must have" in our relationship It is for most men, at least until they get old. Men sign up for monogamy, not celibacy. They agree to forsake sexual activity with all others to have it with you, and only you. If you're not willing to provide that then most will seek it elsewhere, either openly or behind your back. And the same is probably true for most women, I've heard plenty of stories of women cheating because their husbands were no longer sexually interested in them…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 07:47 AM
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Ok, I hope if you ever encounter a female acquaintance who leaves her disabled husband you'd be logically consistent and chew her out for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 07:43 AM
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Are you not aware that just under half of marriages end in divorce now? Marriage vows have been meaningless poetry for decades now. What if they aren't married?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 07:42 AM
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And I haven't had to deal with a partner who's been sexually assaulted either, what's your point? This is a discussion post regarding a common topic that comes up on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 07:41 AM
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my jaw is on the floor
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:34 AM
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Do you have a source or did you pull that out of your ass?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:34 AM
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With his wife forever If a man was permanently disabled and wheelchair bound do you think his wife should stay with him regardless? Tbh if that's what's on your mind at that time I didn't say that, but as the months or years go by it will become a greater consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:32 AM
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“Hm this person had something traumatizing happen to them, let’s make it about me!!”. It affects them as well. And this timeline differs for everyone. If you love your partner though, it becomes less about time and more about progress. Yes, I alluded to that. But the two are intertwined and incremental progress can still be incredibly slow for some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:31 AM
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because that in sickness and in health bit definitely doesn’t sound your speed. Ever since no-fault divorce those words have become meaningless poetry.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:29 AM
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I'm ok to wait. For five years? Ten years? A lifetime?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:28 AM
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I mean jfc if youre in love with someone and a tragedy occurs and this is their moment of need I cant imagine having any other feeling besides wanting to be there for them and sadness for the pain theyre going through. They likely would, in the short-term. That's different from being willing to take care of a disabled person and be mostly celibate for the rest of their life. It's a huge burden, and it's easy for you to say they should be willing to accept it when you aren't being faced with the …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:27 AM
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If my partner was raped, the last thing on my mind would be setting a mental ultimatum timer Did I say that? No, most people's immediate reactions would be sympathy and support, inclulding my own. But you can't expect unlimited patience as the months/years go by. because she understandably needs time to heal. How much time? What if she requires 2-3 years to heal? A lifetime? If he's not satisfied with the relationship, why is he a bad person for leaving to allow her to heal, and to seek happines…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:26 AM
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ED is usually fairly easily corrected with medications, if they're not effective or if he isn't willing to try them, I wouldn't fault here for leaving at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:23 AM
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Because our societal norms dictate that behavior is deviant. And you are objecting to other societal norms in this post. You selectively appeal to authority when it suits your agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:21 AM
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I don't think I can ever be convinced to care about catcalling or staring lol 🤏🎻
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:19 AM
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I'm more wary of men in certain circumstances, and I'm more wary of women in certain circumstances. Additionally, the primary situation where women physically harm men is domestic violence, and people are inherently more trusting of their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:03 AM
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Women are NOT for sale Okay, then pay for your own food. Traditionally, a dinner date is seen as a method of courting a lady. The gentleman takes interest in a woman, asks her out on a date, they mingle, and get to know eachother. And women are no longer "traditional", why should we be?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:01 AM
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Yes but that same woman in her 20s would almost certainly be more attractive. The problem is I don’t trust that men are capable of actually having a healthy sexual relationship with one woman because that woman will inevitably age. Well part of it is women getting substantially fatter as they age, which is likely not primarily biological because older women in hunter-gatherer societies are still slim. And if you're white, I'm sorry to say that white women's skin ages particularly badly. And thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 09:54 AM
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Because women often frequently how much appearance matters to them, and exaggerate the degree of variation in their aesthetic preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 09:48 AM
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being assertive It's not uncommon for women to complain about guys they're dating being too sexually aggressive. I’d even say having multiple sexual partners isn’t immoral as long as you make it clear you’re not exclusive. What if they don't ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 06:57 AM
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That sounds like textbook slut-shaming to me honestly. At any rate, casual sex is pretty ubiquitous, finding a woman who has never participated , especially in progressive, urban, areas, is an uphill battle.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 06:56 AM
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I agree, but I've seen plenty of women here claim that it's dishonest/deceitful to not volunteer that you're seeing other women whenever you meet someone. Like, they legitimately think if you're seeing multiple women you need to tell each and every one of them that you're seeing other women when you meet, even if they don't ask, otherwise you're """lying by omission""".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 06:52 AM
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you can be a good guy AND date multiple women! A lot of women would disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 06:47 AM
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You sound awfully confident for someone who has never seen much less spoken to any of these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 06:46 AM
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*Ahem* WATCH WHAT WOMEN DO, NOT WHAT THEY SAY If he's getting more interest from women now than before, then he has, for all intents and purposes, become more "valuable".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 06:45 AM
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What are you "lying" about? Have you told them you're exclusive? Have you told them you want a serious relationship? If not, then where are the "lies"?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 06:44 AM
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He just wants some fun and to get his dick wet. It's not that complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 06:42 AM
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Ethnicity, age, height, weight, income, social circle etc. etc. It's all black-and-white thinking that puts at least one half of the people down and paints them in such a light that they seem like hopeless cases who die alone. I think that's a gross mischaracterization. I've seen several posts there from self-described short/ethnic guys that describe their journey overcoming those disadvantages. This for example is one of the top posts of all time there. And TRP puts a lot of epmhasis on improvi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 12:24 AM
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Even old-school TRP would probably be labelled as "controlling" by feminists/progressives today due to their standards. To communicate your standards, or to give an ultimatum if they're failing to meet your standards, is "controlling" if they don't approve of your standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 12:17 AM
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I've never seen the sheer amount of violent, hateful rhetoric towards men KAM and man vs. bear? These are all more mainstream than the manosphere lol But for example in the subreddit where men talk about how they've found submissive women in other countries. They still talk about how bad and ugly and masculine western women are. Like it or not, the perceived(accurately or otherwise) low quality of western women is one of the primary drivers of the PPB movement. Of course they will discuss it. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 12:11 AM
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Men who act like women they meet are super special to them and then ghost them after they sleep together? Right, and Men can lead women on just as women can lead men on. Women frequently complain about a lack of commitment in many situations that did not amount to this. i.e. he didn't say or strongly indicate he wanted a relationship but she assumed, he's affectionate and didn't ghost but declines a serious relationship, etc. What really happens is that a woman decides after a couple of dates th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 12:02 AM
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And there are women that lead men on, what's your point? Realistically how many men are saying they want commitment and don't follow through? And of those, how many of them were intentionally deceiving from the start as oppose to simply changing their mind? I see women complain all the time regardless, even when no clear deception has occurred. Sometimes they point to affectionate words or actions as evidence of their intent and subsequent "deception", but being kind to you doesn't necessarily m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 04:27 AM
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If a guy was complaining about not getting any attention from women would you be calling him entitled?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 02:58 AM
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I don't know what planet you're living on, plenty of women complain about "fuckboys" and "getting played" when they aren't able to lock down a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 01:40 AM
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have you ever argued with him on the second part
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 01:37 AM
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What sorts of trends and looks are meant to be for the girls I don't think most women would find this attractive either, for the record.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 01:33 AM
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That's not bad considering that there is no such thing as marital property in many Islamic countries, what the husband earns is his and his alone if they divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 01:32 AM
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Yet if one looks at Middle Eastern countries which are relatively socially conservative/they participate in arranged marriages/pre marital sex and even free gender mixing is extremely taboo.... socially conservative views on women and female gender roles. If the common excuses made for the lack of marriage stability in the West is - Promiscuity/female Financial Autonomy/ Liberalism it seems to me that the other end of the spectrum is doing even worse lol. Your mistake is assuming that western so…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 01:29 AM
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