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Discussionobsspwgck/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 01:47 PM
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Purge Week!obsspwgck/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 12:34 PM
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obsspwgck/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 05:32 PM
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Discussionobsspwgck/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 04:32 PM
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He doesn’t values women at 30 the same way women didn’t value him at 18. Why would you value someone that didn't value you back?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 09:20 PM
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The reason why he won't date the 30 year old is because said 30 year old didnt give him the time of day when they were both 18. So its not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 07:42 PM
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Diet won't stop you from balding, its genetic. What is your education level?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 03:44 PM
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How so, taking drugs, with side effects, and getting surgeries? Because lets be real, if a man would expect a women to undergo a surgery to change something about herself for his liking you would call him a LVM.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 03:33 PM
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Because a lot of men just cant fathom that beta bucks relationships are also transactional relationships. Men need to start realizing that if a woman won't date you when she's 18, she has no reason to want you when she's 30+. She's just dating you out of convenience, at that point, not love.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 02:02 PM
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Interesting that you consider being bald as something men can avoid with just putting in some effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 01:58 PM
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Then women ought to stop talking shit about men wanting to date younger women too
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 10:56 AM
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And then when men start imposing standards such as no youth, no marriage/commitment, you start bitching about men being shallow, creeps.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 06:52 PM
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You dont know till you've tried. If not you just move to mid 20s and continue from there. Not a big deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 06:07 PM
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Im in my 20s, this isnt about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 06:07 PM
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Also the younger you get the more BB you need to be. Maybe I have a soulmate out there who is 20 right now, but realistically if shes 20 and into your old ass odds are she wants to be lazy and secure aka BB. The amount of disgust you have for younger women is the same amount I have for women my own age. You look at younger women and think they might have some ulterior motive. I feel the same about women my own age. And also you cannot be the beta bucks of a young woman. A woman who decides to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 05:51 PM
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He could have a really low success rate. Put it like this. If I'm dating a woman and find out she's engaged in casual sex before, even once, I won't commit to her. I'm guessing some woman would feel the same way about a man who has hooked up with a younger woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 05:34 PM
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Alright dude. Enjoy indulging in that fantasy of yours, I wish you luck in manipulating women once youre old. What do you mean by manipulating. I'm actually curious since I'm not into the the PUA stuff. You see a girl you like and ask her out, if she says yes, you then date her. If she says no you move to the next girl. Where does manipulation come into the picture?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 05:29 PM
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I would vet a woman's sexual past before even considering committing to her, I just assume some women do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 05:27 PM
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I find this whole "30/40 yr old man wanting a woman around half his age" thing so fucking creepy. Duh, its in your best interest most men dont try out this strategy. Why the fuck do you even need to "respond" to the"af/BB" anyway? The same reason I would feel like punching a person who punched me. Focus on yourself and attracting age appropriate women instead of indulging in stupid sick fantasies. That part is why. Its attracting younger women that the challenge and it yields the highest reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 05:21 PM
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And you're then ok with him settling for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 05:19 PM
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This isnt about me. I'm just trying to think of a male version of af/bb.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 05:18 PM
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Ok, then. I guess men should start dating women they're not attracted to just to please a bunch of karens.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 03:32 PM
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How would you tell, exactly? And if you couldn't, would you consider it acceptable? Because I suspect that women, even though they claim they hate these kind of relationships because it is a given the man is manipulating the woman, it all comes down to looks. If the man looks a certain way, then it becomes more acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 12:01 PM
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Just one question, would you walking down a street actually notice a couple where the man is 30 and the woman is 18? Would you be able to even tell?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 11:55 AM
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And those that do are getting manipulated am I right? This is basically how it goes. A guy will pursue a younger woman, if he fail he'll get laughed at and ridiculed for even trying. If he succeeds he'll get shamed and ostracized for being a disgusting creep. People will try to ruin his reputation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 11:48 AM
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Why not just lock up any guy that dates younger adult women while we're at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 11:37 AM
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In other words, suck it up and date women you dont find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 09:15 AM
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It's very well known that age gaps are problematic for the younger one being manipulated and abused. You're being purposefully obtuse when you don't acknowledge that. I couldn't care less about any of this. If we're talking physical abuse, the law enforcement need to step in, age gap or not, that goes without saying. But anyone 18 or is an adult, and if they're being manipulated its their own fricken job to handle it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 01:29 AM
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I think it’s creepy to fetishize younger women. Why would you assume its a fetish? Would you view women who refuse to date men, that are close to them in height, the same way. Pointing out the truth doesn’t make older women bitter. But shaming those men by calling them names does.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 01:15 AM
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I dunno, I see just as many older women dolled up as I see younger women. I cant be convinced that those older women aren't golddiggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 01:02 AM
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Except if the man is handsome and/or in the top bracket of income earners right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 12:56 AM
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All the things you mentioned happens all the time in same age couples. One person manipulates the other. One person benefits more from the relationship than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 12:53 AM
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But there has not been a single study, AFAIK, that show that even if a man puts in all the effort he can in becoming as attractive as possible, he still would have no chance in attracting a younger woman. It just a correlation. Most men aren't actively pursuing younger women. And out of those that do, not all of them work towards get in shape and become financially successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 12:51 AM
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Is that why women at some point stop having sex with their husbands? I guess everyone should then use whatever means necessary to pay for sex from a young, attractive person with a glowing face and a full head of hair (women's hair thin too). Men and women alike.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 12:47 AM
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Everything you just said also applies to older women. If a woman is a golddigger she will always be a golddigger. You'll find a lot of older women with expensive clothes, make up and handbags their husbands paid for.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 12:39 AM
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Most women date within seven years their age range, 10+ age gaps are not common occurrences. I agree but people are generally surrounded by same age peers. So its really just a causation. you have a dwindling window of fertility Not really. But even if that is the case, unlike egg freezing, its very easy and relatively cheap for a man to freeze his sperm. And every study on this show that frozen sperm is as reliable as it gets.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 12:36 AM
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I couldn't disagree more. This probably applies to guys who were handsome as teenagers and could use their looks to attract women. But if you're an ugly guy, there's no way you'll peak at 18 since you won't have accomplished anything worthwhile to make up for your lack of looks. Btw, what do you consider "rich", top 5%, 1%?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 12:27 AM
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Open to dating younger (but I'm assuming legal) people is not the same as only looking to date younger people. One is 'this is not a dealbreaker' Then how do you feel about women who are not open to date men around the same height as them?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 12:21 AM
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The hypocrisy never gets explained. If you want to waste your thirties chasing 18yo girls and getting turned down constantly then be my guest. How is that any different to getting turned down as an 18 year old though?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 12:20 AM
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But you were still physically attracted to him right. And I'm sure you'd be pissed if you were told to not pursue men you have zero attraction for, which in this case are men older than you. Why should men not feel the same way? If a man is only attracted to younger women, why should he be shamed into pursuing women his own age?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 12:18 AM
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Anyone who didn't put in the work to become a "good looking young person" too is an idiot You cant work towards being tall, having perfect hair and a square jaw. Why would anyone want to date someone who thinks they peaked in college and will only be less valuable as a partner as time goes on regardless of what they do? Why would anyone want to date someone who at one point thought they were too good for you and now only want you because its convenient for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 06:07 PM
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I dont blame women for not being attracted to me. I said it in a previous comment, if a woman thinks I'm too ugly to date when she's 18 stays consistent like that forever, I'd appreciate that a lot more. My problem is with women who think I'm too ugly to date them when they're 18 but then suddenly become more accepting towards me when they're 30. No, you keep the same energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 06:05 PM
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A lot of other women do bitch about it though
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 01:27 PM
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You cannot compare the two. The average man is not in his prime at 18, the average woman is
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 01:26 PM
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Its not the most important thing. I just believe if a woman refuses to give it to me and then wants me later on she doesnt respect me as a man. If you dont find me attractive when you're 18, you have no reason to find me attractive when you're 30. Dont care what you have to offer or say then.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 01:26 PM
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Why can’t YOU leave women alone to date who THEY are attracted to? I am. I have never kept on pursuing a woman who rejected me, I always respect their decision. I dont think anyone owes me or anyone else anything. But if I'm dating a woman and she wants marriage/commitment from you, she has to give me her youth in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 09:25 AM
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deserves a bad reputation. And this is exactly the kind of bs Im talking about. Men just cant get left alone and date who they are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 09:16 AM
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Got one question for you. How many women do you know would break up with their boyfriend if they found out he has no intentions to marry her? Just keep her as a girlfriend for as long as possible. Would they be cool with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 09:03 AM
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I've yet to date a younger women but I have heard a woman describe men that are interested in younger women as borderline pedophiles, even if she's of legal age. These things can take a toll on a mans reputation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 08:41 AM
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It's better for everyone not to date people they aren't really attracted to I keep hearing that from women and yet they still shame men for dating younger women and ignoring women their own age. It seems like it only applies to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 07:44 AM
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A girl who started dating you when she was in her late teens/early 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 07:42 AM
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We do. Which is why we find it ridiculous how women go and nag men for marriage after they no longer have anything valuable to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 07:41 AM
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Thats up to her. I'm saying if she doesn't, she has zero values to as far as marriage goes. She relegates herself to a cum dumpster.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 07:39 AM
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Then why is it always the woman pushing the man into marriage? The term forever girlfriend was not coined by TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 07:38 AM
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Because its you cant date a woman without her bringing up marriage at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 07:37 AM
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This only applies to women who are okay with dating a guy that wont marry her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 07:34 AM
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The only women I've dated thus far were slightly older than me. I went into the relationship wanting one thing and one thing only. They wanted something more serious so I had to end it. This is basically my approach to dating. No youth, no commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 01:47 AM
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If she asks me for marriage then yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 01:44 AM
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She didn't even know you then. But its reasonable to assume she would have rejected for you not being a chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 01:42 AM
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Do you want marriage? If not, we'll just keep on going as is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 01:40 AM
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Nobody owes me or anyone anything. I'm saying I'll only give commitment to a woman who started dating me when she was young. Doesn't have to be a teenager, early 20s will do as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 01:40 AM
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Selling what exactly, in most relationships its the woman asking the man for marriage. The phrase "forever girlfriend" was not coined by TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 01:21 AM
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In this context, she would reject non- chad guys who pursue her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 12:59 AM
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A lot of men spend their youths fucking around with the most attractive women they can find, and then want to "settle down" when they get older just the same as women This only applies to the attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 12:50 AM
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Please you're acting like a lot of women don't spend their youth rejecting guys for being too ugly, short, boring and then becoming more accepting towards those guys after they failed to get commitment from the chads who pumped and dumped them. If a woman refuses to give a man her youth she doesnt respect him, simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 12:39 AM
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That has not been my experience. Most people with conservative views would take no issue with a 30 year old guy marrying a 18 year old virgin woman, especially if he's a doctor/engineer/lawyer and has some status. Its always left wing, feminist karens who take issue with it because it reinforces gender roles which they hate more than anything. I just happen to reside in an area that is mostly left wing and egalitarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 12:29 AM
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Is it really entitlement though? You're asking me for commitment/marriage, give me youth in return, I don't see how offering a deal makes you entitled.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 12:25 AM
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It's not about feminism, it's about one person being vulnerable and the other person taking advantage of that vulnerability. Conservative, submissive woman who marry young dont typically shame men for wanting a young, chaste girlfriend. Women look out for other women. If they think a teenage girl is being taken advantage of, they're going to try and prevent that from happening. They'll just automatically assume it. Its what they do. The women saying 'I like tall guys' is upfront about what she w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 12:21 AM
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Well people like you explicitly say that you like younger women for shallow reasons (youth and beauty) Its not different than a girl saying she likes tall guys. An 18yo does not have much life experience or dating experience compared to the 30yo man - so she is not 'equal' in their relationship. Not everyone is a feminist and believes men and women are equal across the board. This is something woman just can't wrap their minds around. Not everyone is a fricken feminist. Saying 'I think you're gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 12:08 AM
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But you, I'm just assuming, actually got to date during your youth? You weren't sidelined
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 12:04 AM
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I get grossed out by mayo, it makes me feel nauseous. I dont shame people who consume mayo. If 18yo women didn't fuck 18yo you - why would an 18yo woman fuck a 30yo you? Here's the thing. Even if a 30 year old guy succeeds in getting a 18 year old virgin girlfriend, nagging feminist karens will still shame him and try to meddle into his relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 11:57 PM
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Your view would be more compelling if you talk about a man who’s never gotten lucky throughout his 20s for example. I'm also referring to guys who had to wait till they were past their early 20s. Thats why I said post highschool/college. I always lump late teenage years and early 20s together.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 11:52 PM
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I don't see all women chasing guys, not even chads. You're right. But replace chasing with consenting to sex with chads that pursue her, counting on them committing, and everything I said would still apply
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 11:50 PM
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That's fine. If woman just stopped shaming men for dating younger women there really wouldn't be anything to complain about. What's annoying is when women try to make you feel bad for not committing to the same age group of women who ignored you back in the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 11:47 PM
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I think its dumb a man thinks hes owed a womens youth. This has nothing to do with feeling entitled. Its a simple transaction. If a woman wants commitment/marriage from the guy she needs to give him her youth in return. Not use it on other guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 11:43 PM
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The issue is with women who view you that way after they're past their prime and made multiple mistakes chasing good looking guys that wouldn't commit. If they looked for him as a safe option while they're young and chaste, I don't think most guys would complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 11:38 PM
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> I don’t get why people get so incensed that tastes change. If I'm dating a woman I need to know she respects me as a man. If she refuses to give me her youth, arguably her most valuable asset, I don't care what she has to say or offer later on. I simply won't commit to her. Most men don't want to become a womans convenient backup plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 10:13 PM
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They're still of higher value than the alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 10:07 PM
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You're talking as if I should just sit back and be cool with it. I wont. Any woman my age, who shows interest in me, just gets pumped and dumped. Its ridiculous to me how desperate they get for LTRs and marriage when they were so full of themselves during their prime years. But I dont blame them, I just dont bend over backwards to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 03:47 PM
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Going bald in my early 20s made me red pill. I dont have a problem with a woman not wanting to date a bald guy. My problem is with women who say things like this "now that I'm 19 I won't date a bald guy but when I'm older I will be open to it". So basically I'm not good enough for the 19 year old you but I will be good enough for an older version of you. It really pissed me off being sidelined like that. This lead me to discover the red pill and the actual term for this kind of behavior, alpha f…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 01:56 PM
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In the context of the original question, I think women just use the maturity thing as an excuse. Which is why I won't accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 09:50 AM
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Only thing that annoys me is that its perfectly fine for a woman to refuse to date a man of similar height but a man cant refuse to date a woman of similar age. The problem isnt people having standards, its that everyone gets super biased and cherry picks which preferences are acceptable/moral and which are stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 09:49 AM
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You officially become an adult whether you like it or not. Thats why you're just handed an extra set of rights, no questions asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 04:14 PM
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Yeah I call bullshit. I started going bald in my early 20s and I didn't get any attention from women before my mid 20s and most of those women were older than me. Have always been athletic and muscular.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 04:12 PM
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If I don't fuck a guy, I cant respect him? That's some nice guy logic right there. If a girl rejected me to go date/have sex with some other guy and then at some point later tries to get commitment from me (just sex is alright though) I'd take that as a sign of disrespect. Then you'd trust a 12 year old to drive, vote, buy a gun, have sex, and run for President? I was referring to grown adults, that is people who are 18 and older, my mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 04:21 PM
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> "But she wanted the dumb jocks in high school and now she wants to good guy?! To me its a matter of respect. If a woman refuses to give you her youth/prime, she doesn't respect you as a man. > Yeah. That's called maturity. I don't believe its maturity. People don't really mature. The woman just lowers her standards because she failed to get commitment from the men she desired the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 03:30 PM
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It’s not women’s fault men fuck everything. Tell the boys to have higher standards then? Question, can we apply the same logic here and tell women that instead of complaining about men judging them by their sexual history and n count, they should just do the same thing to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 08:09 AM
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Also... Men are much more openly judgemental by their standard. What? My experience has been the complete opposite. I remember when I was in college, one of our female roomates inivited her friends over and they openly talked about how they like taller guys. This was while another short dude was in the same room. I've also had girls praise guys with nice hair right in front of me, which as a balding guy scarred deep.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 08:07 AM
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But none of that matters if you lack in height, shoulder width, hair density, jawline etc. Lets be honest. Then find someone on your level. The problem is that the levels are heavily skewed in the womans favor. A fat woman might think she's on the same level as a muscular, balding man because he's bald even though its her fault she's fat but not the guys fault for being bald. Woman always believe they're on the same level as guys that are objectively better looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 02:58 PM
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If she dont consider me to be as good as her ex, why would I then commit to her?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 02:51 PM
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But you're not, so the outcome is the same, nothing has changed. I think, and correct me if Im wrong, that a lot of girls think that a guy should be happy they come dont come across as a creep, even after they get rejected. That not being a creep is some sort of consolation price. Its not. As a guy I only care about the fact that I got rejected, what the girl thinks of me after the fact makes no difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 02:50 PM
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My point is that if A is not good enough, B is not good enough, but you'd rather have A over B then they are both still in the same category. Neither meet a certain threshold.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 02:44 PM
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Would you believe a guy likes you more if he spends less money on you than he did on his exes?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 02:41 PM
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It didnt just mention height. I also refereed to shoulder width, hair density, jaw width. Those are all tied to his looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 02:41 PM
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But would you date him, thats the question. If the answer is no, they are really in the same category. My point is that generally if a guy is not tall, have broad shoulders, thick hair, strong jaw (all things he cannot control) he wont be able to induce raw sexual attraction in women, even those his age. He'll have to attract them through other means, be it money or personality. Am I wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 02:34 PM
-1

But what is the difference between an older man and a man your age who's short and physically unattractive. Aren't they both in the same category? That is, they both need money to score a hot chick?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 02:28 PM
0

But do they have raw sexual attraction towards him? Would he catch her stare walking into a room? Or would he have to use other means such as charm and humor to induce attraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 02:19 PM
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Young women mostly don't have raw sexual attraction for older men. Yeah, but even considering guys their own age, they only have raw sexual attraction towards 20% of them
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 02:14 PM
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Only because I was constantly rejected as a youngster so now I feel incompatible with women my own age. I need to feel respected by the woman I date. This is something people who actually got to have fun during their youth and lose their virginity at a normal age just wont understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 01:30 PM
5

If women believe that guys get bored with time, why do so many of them still push their boyfriends for marriage? Do they think a guy is less likely to get bored of them if they start dating him when they're older? Makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 12:52 PM
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The same thing applies. If she's had a sex after a few dates but keeps the current guy waiting longer, that's a dealbreaker. You set your standard with your previous boyfriends, whether its 1,2, 3 dates or more doesnt matter, guys want consistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 12:49 PM
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I'll explain. As guy we're often told that we aren't all that attractive to the opposite sex as youngsters unless we're tall, have broad shoulders, strong jaw, nice hair etc. It takes time for us to build up the things that make us attractive to women. Its not uncommon for average guys to experience more attention from women as they get older, more established, more resourceful etc. If a girl chooses to ignore all our flaws and date us while she's young, she's investing in us, expecting we'll be…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 12:42 PM
1

Because its a lot easier for an average young woman to date multiple people, explore, change partners every year etc than it is for an average young man. She's giving up a lot more than him.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 12:28 PM
1

Can you elaborate a whole investing thing? Just dating one guy throughout your youth (teens and 20s). Building a relationship with him instead of dating around and exploring, which is very easy to pull off as a young woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 12:13 PM
2

Why would a man do that? Give away the connection he had been building with his initial woman for years just to get nothing in return, makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 12:08 PM
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Marriage or just monogamy in general. When a woman is young, she has a lot of power. Its very easy for her to go out and date a bunch of guys, explore and have fun. If she foregoes all that just to stick to one guy, she's definitely investing in him.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 12:04 PM
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I think a lot of men just want women to be consistent, do to me what you did to your previous partners. If you made your previous boyfriends wait 3 months I'll also wait 3 months. But if you've had a one night stand in the past and now try to make me wait you've ruined your chances of getting anything long term with me. This is how a lot men think.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 11:54 AM
1

Long as they dont advertise themselves as marriage material I dont see the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 11:24 AM
1

You make it sound like its always the guy stopping it from becoming a long term relationships. As if women never get bored, get the urge to explore and leave relationships because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 10:54 AM
1

If a man willing to sleep with a slut but not commit to her, does that still make him sexually insecure?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 10:51 AM
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I dont believe they actually want to date me because they appreciate me, otherwise I would have gotten dates in highschool, Im still the same person. They do it out of convenience which makes it a transactional relationship, much like dating a golddigger.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 11:22 PM
0

but it's absolutely childish and silly to ask woman to make the choices you wouldn't make in her shoes Oh but I would make that choice. When I was 17, all I wanted was a stable girlfriend to build something with, not sleep around with multiple girls. The desire to only pump and dump women came later when I discovered the true nature of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 11:17 PM
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When you get zero, yes zero, attention from girls as a teenager and every girl you ask out rejects you, then yes, its very reasonable assumption. "Would she have been this interested in me in highschool, probs not".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 11:14 PM
1

Its more jealousy than insecurity. If a guy doesnt get sex in his youth he likely wont feel like he's compatible with women his own age later on.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 11:12 PM
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Its reasonable to assume those women would have rejected me in my youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 11:08 PM
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My n count is 2. But even if it was 200, I would hold the same beliefs. Men and women are not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 11:05 PM
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There's definitely an element of jealously there. Its complicated. I also wouldn't want to work for a company that previously rejected me in the past for a job offer, too much pride.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 11:03 PM
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proll for pussy as much and anywhere they can are just regular people though Thats not the same as actually getting pussy. Men are always looking for sex but if you're not getting it your n count is not increasing. the fuck do you guys want lmao. I can only speak for myself but I want a woman to pick me when she's young, in her prime and chaste and build a relationship together with me. Not bail when things get difficult and boring. And not spend her prime years hooking up with taller, better lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 11:00 PM
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If you're getting into long term relationships and not going from man to man, you'll have a count of like, 5-6 by age 30 This is only a minority of women though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 10:55 PM
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Yes they are. And men are allowed to categorize women as LTR material or cum dumpsters based on n count. I never implied robbing people of their freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 10:49 PM
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I dare any woman to start rejecting guys for having been with more than 5 women. Its funny how instead of judging men by n count they bitch about the fact that men do it to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 10:40 PM
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Yeah I was very much sexually limited through my youth (not by choice) and now that I'm older I dont feel compatible with most women my age. Im sure a lot of guys with similar experiences feel the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 10:37 PM
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What amount of sex do you want women to have and why do you care so much? I can only speak for myself, but the highest n count I will accept (for a LTR), regardless of her age is 5. I care because I don't want to be a beta backup plan and I don't like sloppy seconds.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 10:35 PM
2

I have resources I use that help me find clothing and food sources that come from ethical sources that are made by adults who are paid well and are not overworked. Thats cool. But have you always done this? Because if a guy is completely oblivious to how much a global issue sex trafficking is and goes and sees a prostitute and then stops once he finds out what he contributes would, you would still call him out right? On the flip side, you probably won't say shit to friends that are knowingly buy…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 04:28 PM
1

Yes they can get a committed relationship with a post prime woman. Thats not the same as exploring which in this context means lots of casual sex with prime aged women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 04:19 PM
1

I'll have to look into it because on the surface it sound like complete bullshit. Purchasing products produced in factories that employ child labor somehow abolishes child labor, the fuck !?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 04:18 PM
1

Yeah but you can still grow your own food and produce your own clothes. Its not impossible, it will just require a tremendous amount of effort and free time on your part. If you strive to be a morally superior person thats what you have to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 04:08 PM
3

No, you've convinced yourself its not the same because it makes you look like a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 04:04 PM
4

In that case I hope you also grow your own food and knit your own clothes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 04:00 PM
2

Man, that is just so bitter and butthurt. Yeah, when you constantly get rejected and denied any fun during your youth thats what happens. Whether he is Chad or not is so subjective too. Tall, broad shoulders, low hairline, thick hair, strong jaw, blue eyes are not subjective. Lots of women are good looking and attract attractive dudes... Most women are average and attract attractive dudes ... for casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 03:57 PM
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It's really not. Most of the girls who end up like this were also very young. And, an escort doesn't manipulate or lie to a man to fuck them. Are chads really lying to women though. Most of the time we're talking about a guy that looks really good and have all the girls in his highschool crushing on him and they are taking turns trying to get him into a relationship and fullfill their Disney prince fantasy. Giving him sex is just a part of the bargaining. The bottom line is that they know what t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 03:54 PM
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So men who used to be beta af and never got pussy should still be seen that way? They are seen that way. Thats why women seek them out after failing to get commitment from chads, they look for stability and loyalty. When they find out that some of these beta men (red pilled ones), who were ignored during their youth, now give them the same treatment as chads they get all surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 03:45 PM
5

If a woman were to go out on a few dates with a "Chad" or fuck a "Chad" once and way "hm, this isn't for me, I'll go for a different type", or after a date they realize a "Chad" is actually being pretty mean or manipulative and dump him, how is that damaged or somehow matching some "gotcha" trait in women? If she lets him fuck her she's tainted. Its just that simply. Its similar to how you would feel about a guy who had seen an escort, even if it was just once. Because I know several women who h…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 03:42 PM
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Should the women he dates now be offended that he doesn't try to be in a relationship with them after a week of knowing them like he did in the past? A lot of post prime women get offended when they find out guys, who struggled with dating as youngsters, don't give them the same kind of attention, they got in their prime, and just want to pump and dump them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 03:34 PM
1

Men also end relationships because they want to explore and have fun. Only alpha men do. Beta men, by definition, cant explore. Its difficult enough to get one girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 03:26 PM
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If you say you like certain types of men that differ from the awalt Chad picture: "you're just damaged by Chad and now you avoid them! Learned your lesson huh!!!" Men only say this if you have history with one or more chads since a lot of women are delusional and think their past doesn't define who they are. If you don't, it makes no sense for a man to call you out on something you never did.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 03:21 PM
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Because sometimes a relationship from prime years doesn’t work out Why doesn't it work out? Is it because the guy cheats and hits her, or because she doesn't want to work on the relationship and rather explore and have fun? Its a big difference between the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 04:02 PM
-1

Her being consistent will make me respect her so much more. Its when they come to you, past their prime, searching for commitment that I take offense to. You'll be treated like a cum dumpster.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 04:00 PM
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> I made the case that even if betas weren't as sexually desired as Chad and got less frequent sex, they still got love When are people going to understand that this is not love. If a woman is not willing to give you her prime years she doesn't even respect you as a man, much less loves you. She's dating you out of convenience because she failed to get commitment from the chads she desired. Beta bux relationships are transactional relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 01:57 PM
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Why would it even matter? The woman, in this case, doesn't like the man. If a woman denies a beta man her prime to go and chase alphas, fails and now suddenly seeks commitment from that beta, she doesn't love him. Don't care what she says. It becomes a transactional relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 06:33 PM
-1

For me , its because I believe sexual pasts matter and I wouldn't want it to ruin a LTR. I would personally break up with a girlfriend if I found out her N count is higher than 5 or she's had one or more casual sexual encounters before. I suspect a girl would do the same thing to me if she found out I've been with a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 03:29 PM
3

In that context, they're referring to a woman who's fed up being pumped and dumped by alpha chads. This usually happens when a woman is past her prime and is looking for commitment/resources from non chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 02:26 PM
3

To me a betabuxx is a loser sure. If you're going to spend money on a girl you better make sure you get something back.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 02:24 PM
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They're not. Betabuxx is the guy that doesn't get the girl during her prime and then commits to her later on.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 02:16 PM
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> but what you are selling is the possibility of being her betabuxx You're only betabuxx if the woman is your own age. If you're fucking a girl during her prime (late teens/early 20s), even if you're spending money on her, you cannot be the beta buxx since you're getting the most attractive version of her. > you're not sexually attractive. There is a large portion of men who aren't sexually attractive to women, even during their youth. So nothing has changed in this regard. ​ > Though, at the sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 02:07 PM
1

If its a 40 year old man with a 20 year old woman, chances are the guy is just a mega loser and that relationship isn't lasting long (unless that's his sugar baby). The average man is not capable attracting and dating an average looking woman thats 20 years younger than him. So if a guy succeeds in doing that, he's anything but a loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 05:16 PM
1

Yeah.... that's kind of gross. What you mean gross. If you saw a couple where the guy is mid 20s and the woman is 18 walking the street would you actually feel like vomiting? Age and experience are heavily correlated. Exceptions don't make the rules. But in case the guy has a lot less experience than what you would expect for his age, isn't he more compatible with a younger woman of similar experience level than a much more experienced woman his age?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 05:07 PM
1

Actually it was about a 18 year old girl and guy around his mid 20s. Whether a 25 year old virgin guy is more compatible with a 18 year old virgin or a very experienced woman his own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 04:16 PM
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Its not about a specific man. Its about a type of man, and specific features. Example: A woman refuses to date men below 6 feet tall when she's 18. Then opens up to the idea of dating shorter men when she's older. Same thing can apply to any other feature be it shoulder width, hairline, jawline, muscles etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 03:47 AM
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They couldn't possibly give you their prime years, if they hadn't known you back then. You'll have to vet her somehow, same as you would about n count. I'm also uneasy about all this stuff with prime years. Is her beauty is the only think you're interested in? No, I just need to know she respects me. And I firmly believe if a woman refuses to give you her prime and then gives it to someone else, she does not respect you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 03:34 AM
1

That makes no sense to me. What makes a woman good in bed is a) looking good and b) being submissive and do as told.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 03:10 AM
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Are you sure that just not a case of a guy being an asshole? I mean you can argue he wouldn't be able to demean a woman his own age simply because she's more mature but does that make it better? He would still be the same asshole. > For the other comment on the other post (I might as well just put them in the same comment), along the lines of a late 20s virgin There are a lot of grey areas here. But the bottom line is that I don't want to be in a LTR with a woman who would have rejected me when …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 02:55 AM
2

I don't see how you can just point the finger at men here. Aren't a lot of women purposefully delaying child bearing to focus on their careers? Aren't they just as foolish?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 02:26 AM
1

Thats what I meant. They freeze their sperm when they're young and then use it later whenever they please. Its not like extracting sperm is a difficult process.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 02:15 AM
4

Just use older men for their money. Just curious as to what you think of this. Is the man being used if he still gets awesome sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 02:07 AM
1

Age gaps with older men also have fertility issues. Cant men just freeze their sperm? According to research sperm can be frozen indefinitely and still be just as reliable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 01:55 AM
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No, I would be okay with the former. My only issue is with women who reject you, while they're young, only to go date/have sex with men they deem better looking and more exciting than you. I wouldn't get into a LTR with such a woman later on, don't care how much she claims to have matured and how much she desires me. Its an absolute dealbreaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 01:52 AM
2

all the negatives that I ended up suffering just because of that age ga Can you give concrete examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 01:49 AM
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To me the beta is the loser simply because he doesn't get the woman while she's at the prime of her physical beauty. I firmly believe if a woman is not willing to give you her prime she does not respect you as a man. How much she desires you later on doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 01:40 AM
6

I mean we can take this even further. If a guy is in his mid 20s and still a virgin wouldn't he be very incompatible with a woman who lost her virgin at 15 and dated the same guy for 10 years? Even though her n count is 1, she's gained a lot of experience through her LTR, whereas the guy has literally zero dating experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 01:28 AM
8

How so, if a guy has not dated, he has zero experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 01:01 AM
6

People in the 0-4 range should stay with people in the 0-4 range, of which there are many many many women You don't think there is a large gap between a guy that's a virgin and a woman who's been in and out of 4 LTRs?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 12:59 AM
1

And I'd advise any man to not commit to a woman who rejects a certain type of guys when she's 18 but then is okay with dating them later on. That is any woman practicing alpha fucks/beta bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 09:12 PM
1

I don't buy into the idea that by dating your looksmatch you'll get someone who values you for who you are. You'll just get someone who dates you out of convenience. And I don't want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 08:51 PM
1

Well, that's different, sure. But aren't guys more into physically attractive girls too? It sounds like you're being biased here. I as a guy would not reject a certain type, for example nerdy girls, when I'm 18 only to seek them out when I'm older. This is what I'm talking about, women not being consistent. If a woman doesn't find a guy attractive when she's 18 she has no reason to find him attractive later on.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 08:43 PM
0

And plenty older women are golddiggers, people seem to forget that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 08:42 PM
0

I'd rather be single and pump and dump women my age than commit to any one of them. Its not like every single woman out there is opposed to giving an older man her youth, I just need one. You always need to ask yourself what the alternative is and if its any better, in this case its absolutely not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 08:39 PM
1

There is a difference between a girl rejecting you at 18 because she's not interested in a relationship and would rather work on herself while remaining a virgin than a girl rejecting you because she find you ugly and would rather go and bend over, quite literally, for a tall, handsome man. I could accept the first girl later on. I would never accept the second girl for anything more than casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 08:30 PM
1

Do you value men for more than height, hairline, jawline?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 08:28 PM
1

Are you suggesting I should be content with dating a woman my age who would have most likely rejected me when we were both 18, like every single girl I asked out back then did?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 07:47 PM
1

Basically your position is that there's no point in giving a man any respect because he won't return it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 07:20 PM
1

I value respect. I just firmly believe that if a woman refuses to give you her prime but then, and this is key, wants you later on she does not respect you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 07:03 PM
0

If you're not a good looking guy, that's the only option you have. Dating a woman your own age doesn't change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 06:14 PM
1

I won't be hitting on anyone. I find the hold concept of cold approaches stupid. Unless you're in the top 10% in terms of looks it simply won't work. Every girl I've met thus far have been through dating apps and I intend to keep it that way. Social media is another option.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 06:13 PM
1

As long as they keep the same attitude about the beta when they're 30, I have no problem with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 06:11 PM
0

Because being treated as a backup plan beta is such an amazing deal for me right?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 05:49 PM
1

I don't see how dating a woman my own age changes any of that. A woman is either a golddigger or she's not, doesn't matter how old she is. If you are fine being a beta bucks some female who loves only your wallet and not you go for it. Beta bucks is the guy who gets the post prime woman once the alpha has had his way with her. If you're smashing a 18 year old woman you're not beta bucks, you're the alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 05:47 PM
1

18-year-old girls don’t get hot for a beta provider. If an 18 year old is dating you, you're not the beta provider. You're the alpha because you get her while she's still in her prime. We are just trying to become adults barely out of our parents house. You're an adult the instant you turn 18 whether you like it or not. And no non tradcon Women commit to marriage at 18 anymore anyway. Yes marriage is a thing of the past, two people can just be in a committed relationship without being married.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 04:21 PM
1

My problem is only with woman who reject you when they are young because you're not good-looking or exciting enough but then look to get commitment from you when they're older because its convenient, meaning they failed to get commitment from the alpha men in their youth. If I'm going to commit to a woman she needs to prove to me she doesn't view me as a beta, a backup plan. The only way she can really do that is by giving me her youth. I don't find that unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 03:50 PM
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I'll only commit to a woman giving me her youth. Just turning 30 doesn’t automatically make you a pussy magnet if you were a rejected loser before. I agree, a guy doesn't just jump from one end of the spectrum to the other. Its not about becoming a pussy magnet. Its about going from zero to something. You only need one girl to respect and value you and one of the key ways she shows that is by giving you her youth. Only then would I commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 01:56 PM
1

She didn't value you, be it for money or whatever else, which is why she rejected you. And since she rejected you when she was 18 she has no reason to want you when she's 30. That's exactly my point. Keep the same attitude about me. Don't switch up just because its convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 01:54 PM
1

No, by giving me her youth she is also giving me respect and loyalty. I value that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 01:51 PM
1

She doesn't value your companionship, thats a big lie. She just chooses you because its convenient for her. If she did value you she wouldn't have rejected you when she was 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 10:37 AM
-2

I've never called a woman a cum dumpster to her face. Its just how I view woman who seek men for beta bucks. They're good enough for casual sex but commitment is out of the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 01:06 AM
0

So if you think that real emotional connections don’t exist and all you want is to bang hot young things, just hire them. No, it can exist. Its just transnational in nature. Most women I know claim they love their man. But if that man was 5'2 would she still love him, absolutely not. Base requirements have to be met. In this case height would be something the man had to bring to the table in order for the connection to form. You admit to not having looks and have no interest in commitment. I wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 01:04 AM
1

Young women will be even more likely to value only the money. Nope. Thats like telling women that ugly guys will value and appreciate them more so they should stop going for handsome guys. Doesn't work like that. And I admit that as a below average looking guy. Young women are more likely to take the money and run, or find a young lover on the side Once again, no. A woman that monkey branches and cheats will do regardless of her age. And she can't take your money, that would be theft. There are …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 12:50 AM
-2

Its bad to not give commitment to women who would have rejected you in their youth?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 12:03 AM
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I don't consider every woman a cum dumpster. Just the ones who reject you when they are you and then come back to get resources/commitment from you once they're past their prime.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 11:58 PM
1

You're assuming that old, past prime women will value you for who you are and not your money. This is complete bs. If they did they would have accepted you as a youngster, not when its convenient for them. If you're an ugly guy, women won't be with you for your looks either way, it doesn't matter how old they themselves are. Old woman are just as much golddiggers as young women. A relationship is a transaction, by dating a younger woman at least you get something in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 11:56 PM
1

20% =/= most women being extremely picky. That doesn’t make sense From my perspective it is. Nothing I did was good enough. Plus you’re extremely gross if 20 years old is too old while you’re 27. No 20 is perfect. She still in her prime and legal. Bet you’re one of these creepy weirdos, that spend too much time around high school buildings No, I would never cold approach any strange woman, young or old. I did it once back in college and it was the most embarrassing experience ever. Asking women …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 10:30 PM
1

Just realize that the 18-year-old isn’t gonna like you when you’re 30 I'll definitely have a much better chance at 30 than I did at 18. if you are not going to date 100% of 30-year-old woman when you’re 30 I would date them, just not commit to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 10:13 PM
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I guess I'm subhuman then, because literally every single girl I asked out from the age of 14 to 24 rejected me. Which is why I cannot commit to most women. Even women in their late 20s are too old for me for anything other than casual sex and I'm 27. And no a lot of guys struggle with dating in their youth due to how picky prime age women are. Even if it its 20% of guys that's still substantial.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 10:11 PM
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30 yo men are not attractive for 18-21 women Most men are not attractive to prime age, 18-21, woman, regardless of age. You have to be in the top 10% of guys to attract woman based on looks. An ugly 18 year old guy will get zero attention. An ugly 30 year old successful guy will get some attention, hence, being in his prime. Now you can lie to yourself by being the sugar daddy of a young gold digger who will cheat on you with younger men and take your money, Old woman are just as likely to do th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 09:26 PM
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your values are as empty as those of the women you’re complaining about Which is the vast majority of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 09:21 PM
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He wouldn’t be in his prime either, Yes he would be. so they both will never know if they would have dated each other if they met when they were younger. If a man got rejected by every girl he asked out in his youth and a bunch of woman are giving him attention when he's 30 then its reasonable of him to assume those woman would have rejected him at 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 09:18 PM
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18 year old women are not children. They are at the prime of their attractiveness. And if a woman doesn't want to me when she's at her best why would I give her commitment later on? A relationship is a transaction and I need to get something in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 08:51 PM
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Beta bucks isn't necessarily about money. If she dates him at 30 but would have refused to date him at 18 then he doesn't get her prime years and therefore becomes beta bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 08:38 PM
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Do you think a guy would be more grateful becoming the beta bucks of an older woman who would have rejecting him in her youth?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 08:25 PM
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I'm so happy I got to be mostly single for my 20s. Are you saying you weren't sleeping around in my 20s even though you were mostly single?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 08:23 PM
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No. What I have a problem with is a woman rejecting me in my youth but then giving me attention as she gets older, not because she just wants sex, but because she wants commitment and resources from me. If a woman doesn't find me attractive when she's 18, she has no reason to find me attractive when she's 30. Maybe you can see there's a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 08:21 PM
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Followed up with she's only with him because he has money.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 07:55 PM
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Whenever a woman sees a man dating a much younger woman she always assumed that the younger woman is a golddigger. So yes women do push that narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 07:18 PM
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You can’t go back and make yourself into something young women value. You think a successful man can't pull young women? When people get older, they (hopefully) prioritize other things....including stability, compatibility and parenting potential. There is a name for that. Alpha fucks/beta bucks. Bunch of companies probably didn’t want to hire you when you were a young, inexperienced man either, And if said company wanted to hire me later on, I would decline and work somewhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 07:15 PM
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Yes but if a man gets constantly rejected and ignored by women throughout his youth he won't be so fond of them later on. If anything he'll just use the older woman giving him attention, because they're looking to lock a husband, as cum dumpsters.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 05:59 PM
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Can we say the same thing about women pushing the narrative that young woman are golddiggers whereas older women will love a man for who he is?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 05:57 PM
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I don't get it, are you for or against investing in a guy while he's young and still building himself up?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 03:38 PM
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(contrary to what this sub says, the "hapless loser who blossoms into a hot guy on his 30th birthday" is quite rare). This couldn't be further from the truth. A lot of guys find themselves getting rejected left and right, by women their age, in their youth only to get more attention later on simply because they managed to find a good job. > is more likely, IME, to either cheat on you or obsessively consider it, while not just doing the civilized thing and breaking up with you. This scenario is o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 03:37 PM
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That’s hypocritical if they use those same things. She would have to be a 100% natural in every way then. That includes make up, boob jobs etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 01:29 AM
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A lot of women would definitely judge a man for using beauty tricks. Example, a man with thinning hair using hair systems/wigs/extensions etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 01:15 AM
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Any man would be stupid to become a womans beta bucks. If you're going to be in a transnational relationship you might as well be in one with a young, pretty woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 08:50 PM
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And yet a lot of woman are in strong support of a social welfare state and high tax rates. I wonder why ...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 08:08 PM
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A woman can have a n count of 1 and still practice AF/BB. Example scenario A 18 year old woman rejects any guy that's less than 6'2 with perfect hair. She finds her ideal man and dates him until she's in her 30s. The guy then cheats on her and she dumps him and starts looking for a new boyfriend. She ends up with a guy thats 5'8 with a receding hairline. This guy would still be her beta bucks. She wouldn't have given him her prime years. Her n count is irrelevant here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 07:57 PM
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Then they shouldn't talk shit about men dating younger women because the same thing goes for men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 02:48 PM
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Most women dont want a manchild. Yes that the difference between a man that gets laid in his youth and one that doesn't, maturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 04:45 PM
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You do realize that some men prefer younger women because they struggled with women in their youth. There are several reasons why this will draw you towards younger women 1) You want someone who has the same amount of dating experience as yourself, this will almost always be a younger woman. 2) You want to make sure the woman you date doesn't view you as the nice, quiet, beta buck provider type. 3) Whether they take it this way or not, in your mind dating/fucking younger women is a big middle fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 04:14 PM
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Thats not the reason why I prefer young girls. I prefer young girls because I firmly believe if a girl doesn't want to date you when she's 18 and in her prime but is okay with dating you when she's 30, she does NOT respect you as a man. Its essentially to avoid becoming a girls beta bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 11:17 AM
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But the man gets a less attractive version of you so its a shitty deal for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 05:33 PM
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I mean yeah. It would just be a good thing if men were told that how you treat a woman makes no difference if she doesn't find you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 05:19 PM
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I wish women didn't deny me their youth and then expect me to be okay with committing to them once they were past their prime. I fucking hate women who do the beta bucks thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 05:14 PM
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Aren't men who pursue younger women told the same thing? Go for post prime women your own age because no young, chaste beautiful women will want you creep.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 04:21 PM
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I want a woman to start dating me when she's young, chaste and in her prime so I can be sure she doesn't view me as beta bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 02:30 PM
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And what do feminists want?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 11:13 PM
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My only problem with feminism is that it comes together with democratic socialism, social welfare and high tax rates. I'd be completely cool with feminism in a capitalist society with low (flat) tax rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 11:05 PM
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No, I just want a society where women are forced to be independent and there is no social welfare state to serve the role as a provider if they think most men are too ugly to pair with. Be independent and not a tax leech and nobody can say anything to you. Former incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 08:53 PM
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Not because they’re all whoring around, but because many are in, say, med school or getting PhD’s But if they have started dating since a young age and changed boyfriends every year or two, their n counts will still be too high for a LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:20 PM
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Thank you for the motivation. I enjoy proving people wrong, wouldn't be the first time either.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:13 PM
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If I met a woman who's my age, in good shape (because I am), who doesn't have a whore past. I'd gladly accept for an LTR. This is just very rare. Most women start dating in their teens and change boyfriends every year so so by the time they're in their mid to late 20s, their n counts are too high for my liking.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:09 PM
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I want a man my age I can grow and mature with Hey, thats what I wanted too. But all the women my age were busy dating and sleeping around with the tall, most handsome guys. So going for younger women is the only way I can get some respect, because a woman waiting till she's past her prime before considering you, doesn't respect you at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:02 PM
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I agree, most men cannot attract younger women. That's a different discussion. What I am trying to understand is why the desire and pursuit is shamed. And if the man is successful, why is he still shamed? Should he be praised for accomplishing something you just stated is near impossible? Seems weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 03:42 PM
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Please don't act like thats even relevant. Men that pursue younger women and fail get shamed. Men that succeed still get shamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 03:27 PM
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I thought it only counts as beta bucks when the women is past her prime, bitter and jaded after having dated/slept around. Thats at least my interpretation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 03:27 PM
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Then don't claim women are strong, independent and can think for themselves. You cannot have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 03:17 PM
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No because women shame men for dating younger women that they have zero relations with too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 03:16 PM
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But he gets something in return for his financial stability. By dating a woman his age, who most likely would have ignored him when he was young, he gets nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 03:15 PM
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Because many guys MAKE it weird..like "give you her prime years" as if we're talking about some show horse. Woman look for tall, muscular men which is equally shallow. The men who actively go for younger women almost always have some weird ass complexes. And feminist women who spend their teens and 20s sleeping with multiple men are so well adjusted right. And 99% of them are not even successful at it so it's just cringe to see to be completely honest lol. If we only consider the men that are in…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 03:15 PM
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That is the ideal situation. However for some guys, it takes time for them to build up all the things women find attractive be it muscle, wealth, confidence etc. Most women don't want to give their youth to a such a guy as an investment. And they don't see an issue with this either. "You weren't attractive then so just accept that you had to wait for your turn". This is something I could never accept and I don't think any guy who was a late bloomer should.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 03:07 PM
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And the alternative is that the men exchanges his money and resources for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 02:59 PM
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Please you think women who spent their teens and 20s whoring around for only the top 20% of most physically attractive guys love the average looking guy they end up dating once their party days are wrapped up? The younger woman would at least respect you enough to give you her prime years. That says a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 02:52 PM
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Dating younger women is one of the most effective ways to avoid becoming a woman beta bucks though. So for a guy that felt left out as a youngster its the best strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 02:28 PM
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Either that or they don't want the handsome, assertive, financially successful men removing themselves from their dating pool. I thought women were strong, independent and can do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 02:24 PM
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Its about looks and personality. If a woman is 30, looks young, has a low n count, not bitter and jaded she would fit the bill. This is just very rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 02:22 PM
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There are lots of relationships types of relationships I wouldn't recommend to guy friends either. Key one being an older women seeking beta bucks. Too many guys don't have standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 02:21 PM
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You know not everybody is a feminist who believes egalitarian relationships without of any form of power imbalance. I like being dominant in a relationship so for anything serious I'll need a soft spoken submissive women who won't constantly challenge me. If that makes me a bad person then so be it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 02:12 PM
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1) And yet they still shame men for it. 2) Says who? Feminists who think men and women are equal. 3) Here we go with the shaming again. Yes I want someone to dominate, I like feeling dominant. Sue me. 4) Who primarily votes for them? 5) About being shamed, absolutely. About women not wanting to date a guy for whatever reason, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 01:17 PM
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I am not mad at women for having standards. Not at all. I am mad at woman for shaming men for having standards. For example calling men creepy, predatory, misogynist for wanting low n count, young women even if the woman is of legal age. For wanting a submissive woman to dominate and not a loud mouth feminist that will constantly challenge him. I am also mad at woman for supporting high tax rates and strong social welfare. I couldn't care less anymore if a woman won't date me for being less than…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 01:05 PM
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I would only get married to a woman who started dating me when she was in her late teens to early 20s. At most 25. I need to be sure that my wife doesn't view me as beta bucks. That she respects me enough as a biological male to give me her prime years. Now I'm not a tradcon, I don't need her to throw away her career/goals and become a SAHM. She can go to college, get a degree, start a career. I just don't want her sleeping around during the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 02:07 PM
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Well women whine about men too, especially about their preferences for younger women. Now just like how most women here say they are repulsed by older men who pursue them and would only think to sleep with them if they have money, men can be repulsed by women who have been on the CC and elect to only use them for sex. And yes, since a lot of women have been on the CC men often have to take what they get. But on the same note, a lot of men are attracted to young women whether you like it or not. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 03:33 PM
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Women always try to change the definition of the CC. If a woman starts dating in her teens and changes a boyfriend every year or so she will rack up a high n count. Most women don't view this kind of serial monogamy as the CC. If we include serial monogamy when defining the CC, then yes, a lot of woman have ridden it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:57 PM
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Men like that typically do not change and as they age their preferences tend to get creepier. Is it reasonable for men to assume the same thing about women who spent their youth chasing tall, handsome men and/or sleeping around?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:46 PM
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Some men reject women who have slept around out of repulsion too, don't assume you always know how men feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:43 PM
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He claims to have matured. But unless you're a mind reader you won't really know if that's the case or if he's just adjusting his standards. So you just have to take his word for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:06 PM
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Its more like people try to hide their past or shame you for asking about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:05 PM
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Which is exactly why Bob is now pursuing a woman his age, the younger women didn't want him. The question is whether the woman he marries should be flattered or not, whether she should judge him by his past.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 01:53 PM
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A guy chasing late teens just means ‘as long as it’s legal!’ Dudes like that would chase 14 year olds if it was legal. I don't know about that. I'm in my mid 20s and at my age I've seen 18/19 year old women that were attractive. I have never been attracted to a 14 year old, they literally look like children. 18 year olds often don't. Once my brain places him in that group I don’t think my lady boner will ever make an appearance for him ever again. But you're judging him by his past, I thought we…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 01:48 PM
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Ok, what if he only chased women in their early 20s? And he's stopped. So his past shouldn't matter right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 01:44 PM
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Its not a bad comparison at all. You're assuming that men and women think exactly alike. If men find A disgusting and women find B disgusting then you can make a comparison between A and B even though they are completely different things. You can make a comparison between tennis and hockey even though they are completely different sports. You can make a comparison between yatzy and poker even though they are completely different games and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 01:35 PM
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If he spent his 30s chasing after 18 year olds, no, never, because he was exactly the kind of gross creep I despised when I was 18. What about 21 year olds, would that change anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 01:32 PM
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So you think a person's dating past should define them right? Bob is a weirdo because he has a past trying to pursue younger women even though he doesn't do that anymore. So then a woman who has a past of sleeping around is and always will be a ...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 01:26 PM
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> He’ll be jerking off to her friends as soon as they hit puberty I'm pretty sure I said late teens/early 20s. But ok, lets say 21-23. Would that change anything? ​ >Bad comparison man. Do better. If women find behavior A disgusting and men find behavior B disgusting there is a comparison to be made, even though A and B might be completely different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 01:24 PM
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Ok then, lets say you find out about it once you've been dating him for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 01:12 PM
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One thing is borderline illegal and one thing is not. Borderline illegal = legal. But make it women that are 21-23 ( I don't suppose you think 21 is borderline illegal) does your opinion change?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 01:12 PM
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You can if you're talking about things men and women find disgusting and insulting. If women find behavior A disgusting and men find behavior B disgusting there is a comparison to be made, even though A and B might be completely different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 01:06 PM
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Men chasing young girls are repulsing to me. But he has matured (his claim) and your past doesn't define who you are right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 01:01 PM
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Is it calculated or did he started to be attracted to different kinds of people? He started pursuing women his own age once he realized that no attractive, young woman would want a relationship with him because he's not attractive enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 12:37 PM
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But maybe we have different understanding of what chasing is. I think we do. I'm pretty much referring to whatever means a normal guy would use to attract a woman. whether he's stopped doing it or not. This I find very interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 12:34 PM
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We're assuming he's your age.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 12:19 PM
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But their standards for looks are so much higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 06:23 PM
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Women try to police men's preferences for younger women by shaming them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 06:21 PM
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What red flags? That phrase just keeps coming up. Whenever I see a man in his 30s dating an attractive women in her early 20s the guy is always highly educated, successful, very confident, very assertive and fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 07:52 PM
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People still feel like they're kids when they're 22-24?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 07:29 PM
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Its weird how a lot of girls here say that older men have no chance with attractive young women and yet so many guys claim to have scored with a younger woman at some point. In my experience highly educated, succesful, fit men in their 30s sometimes do pair with women in their early 20s. Most don't because they choose not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 07:28 PM
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They're also, on average, so much more physically attractive, so why would they have lower standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 07:23 PM
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Ive seen quite a few men in their 30s dating smart, gorgeous women in their 20s. I'm not saying that its common, its not, but I've observed quite a few anecdotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 07:20 PM
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I've personally known a girl who dated a 33 year old engineer when she was a 20 year old engineering student. She seemed quite healthy mentally too. Came from a good family and everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 07:17 PM
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Healthy, educated middle to upper middle class women in their early twenties would not debase themselves with an older guy You mean strong, independent, loudmouth feminists right, yea no thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 07:10 PM
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And yet I a lot of men have at some point dated a younger woman. I think you're projecting too much. Only feminists think its creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 07:07 PM
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Its okay for women to want taller guys. It just disgusts me when women shame men for having preferences, such as only wanting to date younger women. Or only wanting a woman with a low n count.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 03:14 PM
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I think you're projecting. Just because you, and everyone in your social circle, finds something repulsive doesn't mean that other women do. Based on what I've seen, women would rather date an attractive, successful older man than the average guy their own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 12:22 PM
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I agree with everything you say, my only problems are the following 1) Taxes. If a woman breeds with a very desirable men. Undesirable, who don't get to breed, are still forced by the government to indirectly pay for their children. So cut taxes and remove social welfare so that things can get fair. 2) AF/BB. If a woman only wants a desirable man she should be consistent and not lower her standards once she's past her prime and try to lock down a beta man .
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 05:15 PM
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Top 20% of men. I doubt many men who care about n count would care then if some billionaire gorgeous girl with DD tits who has had sex with a lot of guys approached them for marriage Thats true. But a woman don't need to be that attractive to have a high n count. Men do
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 04:06 PM
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I just have a hard time picturing a girl meeting a guy thats tall, rich, handsome ie in the top 20% and then rejecting him when she finds out he's been whoring around in his youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 03:53 PM
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Yet a lot of guys are claiming to have at some point scored with a hot, younger woman. Are they all just lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 03:41 PM
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It is hypocritical, but the blame is 100% on women. You see, guys hold women accountable for whoring around, women don't. If a guy has no problem racking up a large n count it means women find him attractive, he's in the top 20% of men, therefore a high n count won't turn women off. If you want to even the playing field, start holding guys accountable for having a large n count instead of complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 03:36 PM
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accept a more ‘transactional’ feel to the relationship. And yet you say "I have adopted my boyfriend during this quarantine bc he can’t pay his rent."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 12:29 PM
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Depending on how much those men have improved they might not even consider you since they would have younger women as options.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 12:28 PM
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And yet a lot guys claim to have gotten with a younger woman at some point. Are they all just lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 12:28 PM
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And yet a lot guys claim to have gotten with a younger woman at some point. Are they all just lying? Or are you projecting your own and your friends preferences on all women? Its one or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 12:27 PM
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And yet a lot of guys claim to have had, at some point, a relationship with a younger woman. Are they all just lying then?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 11:44 PM
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If you're planning on delaying LTRs/marriage until your 30s you'd like to keep your dating pool as large as possible. A lot guys your age are late bloomers, meaning you won't find them attractive now but you might later on. Its in your best interest that these guys will be open to date you then.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 11:41 PM
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In your opinion if a man is doctor/engineer/lawyer with a decent physique, would he be among those top men who can date younger women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 10:41 PM
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It’s easier to attract younger women because they judge less harshly. This is a bit misleading. They judge less harshly on things like your style, your job, title etc. But they're much harsher on looks which is more difficult to change. Overall they seem to be much more judgmental. It’s easier to attract younger women because they judge less harshly. But assuming we keep the effort constant, shouldn't a man expect a much higher success rate with women his own age?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 10:36 PM
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So packing on muscles helps?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 10:31 PM
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Do you think they're actually trying to discourage men from trying? It just seems a bit weird. Why would they care if some men pursue younger women, if he's not good enough he'll just get rejected. Like any other guy would.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 10:29 PM
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This view is a bit naive though. Do you know what else is naive. When women say men date younger women because they can't attract women their own age, as if thats more difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 10:28 PM
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Men are upset because women are spending their prime years whoring around for chad and only seem willing to be with their looksmatch once they're used up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 08:16 PM
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> What would you like women to do? Stop supporting government policies that advocate for high tax rates, social welfare, free education etc. (Women are mostly in support of raising taxes). At least let working sexless men keep most of their money. Recognize that redistribution of wealth is just as immoral as redistribution of sex. That you're equally as entitled to the fruits of your labor as you are to choose who you have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 03:38 PM
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Its more complicated then just getting your dick wet. When you get constantly rejected you really start feeling worthless. And people's political views change all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 11:04 PM
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Female problems I don't care about, these are just a few ... Women choosing not to go into STEM because its not a "welcoming" environment lol. Women being discriminated shunned in the workplace because men fear false accusations or that the woman might get pregnant soon and take time off. Women being payed less because they choose professions that pay less.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 04:58 PM
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Read what I wrote earlier. Anyways I'm done. No point in trying to convince a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 03:33 PM
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If you believe nobody owes you anything and that you need to take responsibility for your own failures when it comes to sex, you should advocate for the exact same thing across the board. Not pick and choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 03:28 PM
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Its the fruits of your own fucking labor, you're just as much entitled to it as who you choose to have sex with. Make it a flat tax at a very, very low rate to the point a significant welfare state is not even sustainable, then things are fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 03:23 PM
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Don't you think redistribution of wealth is just as immoral as redistribution of sex? Am I not just as much entitled to the fruits of my labor as I am to choose who I have sex with?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 03:16 PM
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Its funny how you're telling sexless men that nobody owes them anything and that they need to take responsibility for their shortcomings and yet you're too much of a hypocrite to say the same thing to people who advocate for a welfare state. Pathetic. Agree to disagree then.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 03:13 PM
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I believe we should pay taxes, but only for necessities like roads, infrastructure military and education up to the age of 17. And I believe in a flat tax. I'm not suggesting we cut taxes completely. The mentioned wouldn't be considered significant redistribution of wealth, which is what I'm against.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 03:07 PM
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I agree, redistribution of sex would be just as immoral as redistribution of wealth. People are entitled to the fruits of their labor and who they choose to have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 02:58 PM
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Do you seriously not see women rejecting men for superficial reasons? A man can do everything else right and still get rejected for being too short. Don't underestimate just how shallow women can be. The government isn't really changing anything, just allowing people to hold onto the fruits of their labor, which everyone is entitled to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 02:49 PM
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It’s no one else’s fault but your own if you are always getting rejected. Its also no one else's fault if you're working a low paying job. Take responsibility for that and do something about it, I do. So should everyone else. Don't expect others to work hard and pay taxes for your education and other needs. Just take responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 02:42 PM
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Geez, I can’t imagine why you’re struggling to get laid. If you read what I wrote you'd see that I mentioned I was once in support of democratic socialism and I was still getting rejected. Lets not act like your personality and values will have women jumping at you. Chicken and egg scenario here. And its not bullying since they have a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 02:33 PM
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I agree with most of your points. But don't you think having a large population of sexless men can in similar ways be destructive to a society? I mean being sexless motivated me to work even hard so that I can enjoy the fruit of my labour and, at least indirectly, trade it for sex. If I can't even do that, where's my motivation. There are only a handful of men who can get by on looks alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 02:28 PM
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And anyway, even if she did: you’re cool with someone dating you not because they want you Taking into account the alternative which is either remain sexless or settle for an ugly girl I'll have to go with yes. In an ideal world I would be a tall, handsome, chiseled chad who could make women wet just by taking a shower and grooming up a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 02:24 PM
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This isn't just about single mothers and welfare. Imagine if a young, decent looking woman can't go to college and has to work a low payed job just to barely get by. She would be a lot more open to dating a less than handsome doctor, engineer, lawyer if it meant a more comfortable living. If the government is already taxing these doctors, lawyers etc to pay for her education and other needs she no longer has to. She can now date the tall, handsome local fast food employee and not think twice abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 02:15 PM
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I just don't see it. If the government redistributes wealth and covers everyone's needs women will no longer look for men to take care of them which means they'll judge men more harshly based on physical attractiveness, making things a lot more difficult for the average joe.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 02:02 PM
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I wouldn't even know what to google lol. yes she's attractive to dump a fuck into, but i said they don't think she's hotter than a hot 30 yo. Celebs who got all the beauty tricks up their sleeve is one thing, I just can't recall having ever seen one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 05:41 PM
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Its not like I have a photo gallery of college aged girls laying around. I've just never seen a women in her 30s more attractive than the average 20yo. no, in my experience, these women aren't attractive to the average guy their age. I've been a 20yo guys, unless she's fat and has a shitty attitude, she's attractive to a lot of young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 05:35 PM
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Doesn't every single guy that's not in the top 20% in terms of looks have to buy a young womans attention? Its not like most 20yo guys are swimming in pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 05:27 PM
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The average 20yo woman is more attractive than the top 5% of 30yo women. The type of younger women most likely to date older men are unatttractive to their peers for a host of reasons so they choose a different pool to fish in. Unattractive to the top 20% of their peers. It doesn't mean she's ugly. She just not hot enough for a chad her own age
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 05:25 PM
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Even if the average man does everything he can to maximize his attractiveness and actually aims to date younger women? I don't think the average marriage age gap takes this into account.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 02:38 PM
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I was just bringing up the point that women who date older men, despite how trashy they might be to you, are so much better than the modern women who spends her 20s sleeping around and then looks for commitment later on.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 02:34 PM
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No, men pursue younger women because they are often more attractive and chaste than women their own age. So she would have the be decent looking. Otherwise there's no point.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 02:33 PM
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Older women who don't have a past of casual sex and dating are a rarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 02:24 PM
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They are of so much higher quality than older women who are wrapping up their promiscuous/party days.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 02:16 PM
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So you’re right men should start caring about a woman’s income. How about just don't get married at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 01:00 PM
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There's only one alternative, women pay for their own education, build their own careers and make their own money. Its pretty stupid to tax men in order to empower women. Women can empower themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 07:20 PM
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I'm talking about acting submissive. If a woman starts acting like a bitch or unfeminine then you next her.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 07:18 PM
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Would you shame a man for not wanting to listen?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 07:16 PM
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I don’t consider myself a feminist but I support the maintenance of women’s rights everywhere and the advancement of them in places where it’s necessary. Do you think this can be achieved without taxing people at high rates and having a social welfare state?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 07:15 PM
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Advocate to men or women? It seems like there's a pressure on men to support feminism, if not you get shamed. Or maybe I'm just imagining things.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 07:06 PM
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Not with that attitude. Unless the guy is a feminist himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 05:12 PM
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Meaning the girl is dating the guy but not being submissive because she's not attracted to him? I don't see why a guy would date such a woman. Dominant, unfeminine, loud mouth behavior is a massive turn off.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 05:06 PM
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Its not difficult for a woman to act submissive, its in their nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 04:50 PM
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We were talking whether or not an ugly guy who's already fucking attractive women should complain or not. Sexless guys will always complain, that's a given.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 04:50 PM
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As long as the women are being submissive and draining his balls, he really has no reason to complain. Unless he's delusional and actually thinks true love is a real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 04:11 PM
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Have you asked yourself why some men make their wallet the centerpiece? If a man is short and ugly he really has two options. Date ugly girls or make money and date attractive girls. Most ugly men still want do date attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 04:03 PM
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I would only be or act like a HVM for a young, chaste woman who looks and acts feminine. So it depends on the woman I'm dating and her personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 03:48 PM
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So then you also support mens taxes not going to social welfare programs or men being taxed at high rates?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 03:40 PM
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You....do understand that not all women have children? You could replace having children with just getting your primal sexual urges satisfies and getting validation from the opposite sex, the same thing would still apply. Women get the validation hence its easier for them to not feel resentful towards society and wanting to contribute.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 02:58 PM
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I honestly don’t know how men are shamed into it In a way they are. If a man makes it publicly known he wants a small government and reduced social welfare programs because he doesn't want his tax money to go to other people's children (outside of necessities) he can expect a great deal of shaming to come this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 02:49 PM
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> My taxes go on all sorts of things that I don't use, but I'm happy to contribute to a welfare state Post wall single mum on welfare, hm ok. You've had a child yourself, so perhaps you carry some maternal instincts. People that don't have children or fail to have children might not share your sentiments. Its a lot of easier for them to act selfishly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 02:45 PM
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No the would use picture of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 08:33 PM
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This is a good question. I think a woman has every right to not want me sexually, but at the same time I wouldn't want anything to do with that woman. Its kinda like you respectfully elect to not have sex with me, I respectfully elect to not associate with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 10:09 AM
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