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It’s a sad way to live life and view human relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 05:22 PM
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… But how does this make you feel? Lol. I consider myself to be in a submissive relationship and this is not the dynamic we have at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:48 AM
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“That’s just a male way of thinking.” Ugh, this. What is it with men and their inclination to view all human relationships through the lens of power dynamics?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:42 AM
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It’s honestly so bizarre lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 09:48 PM
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All types of men cheat on all types of women…but thanks for playing?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 09:47 PM
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Most people think huge age gap relationships are cringey, regardless of age or gender Most older men can’t get young desirable women, regardless of what they try to go after
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 09:19 PM
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Except, successful men mostly date their female counterparts (educated, similarly aged, similarly earning). It’s a Hollywood driven wet dream that the average successful man is with a hot 19 year old model. In the real world, successful men are married to the women who would’ve been their classmates in college and professional school.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 09:13 PM
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Idk most men prefer women their age when it’s all said and done. The fantasizing about 19 year olds are fun but in my experience very few men follow throw with it when they become of age (assuming they can attract decent women in that age group, which is something most older men can’t do)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 09:12 PM
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Except no there’s not. Most people look at a situation with a 35 year old man and a 19 year old woman as cringey, men and women alike. I’m not sure when we started pretending like this was a 40 year old single cat lady thing. MOST modern people think that shit’s weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 09:10 PM
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Ok hmm, the research on this topic would disagree, so would most people’s anecdotal evidence. Human beings want sex, men don’t have a monopoly on that desire. Like human beings, men also want companionship. Men would still want LTRs if they could get sex without them. The dynamic and timing of those LTRs is what would change, but the idea that men don’t want them is abjectly false. Edit: my guy is good looking with a fat salary and charisma to boot. He’s never had a problem with women. He wanted…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 09:05 PM
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Yeah I appreciate your perspective as I don’t think it’s that tragic. Plenty of women in the world are willing to trade their beauty and submissiveness for being provided for. People’s obsession with the romantic love industrial complex makes it hard for them to see “transactional relationships” as an option that can be satisfactory
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:43 PM
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Ok clarifying question. Can you attract no one without money or can you attract no one you’d want to date without money?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:42 PM
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To be fair, I feel like this is super important for both the man and the woman to do this (I’m a woman and I def live by this). However, as a relationship progresses and kids get added to the equation, it’s way easier for the man to demonstrate his ability to get attention outside the relationship if he wanted to
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:39 PM
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Huh? Are you saying most men don’t want LTRs (objectively false, btw) or that the type of men who around don’t want LTRs?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:31 PM
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Forefathers loved prostitutes more than modern men, sure…Which inversely correlates to the low number of “decent” women they could finesse commitment-less sex from. See how that works? Prostitutes could be a penny/hour, men will still ALWAYS prefer “gaming” non-prostitutes out of sex. Men value sex way less if it’s an even exchange. Take prostitution out of the equation and just look at the dating market: promiscuous/non-committal men prefer “playing” women who are looking for commitment vs. hoo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 11:45 PM
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Except no, because men don’t appreciate or respect sex positivity in women. Men do, mostly, want sex, but the sex they want is sex that is finessed from “decent” women, not sex that is payed for like a pack of cigarettes
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 11:22 PM
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I’m not clear on your point. You think being a man is better than being a woman so therefore...what? I happen to not agree...I wouldn’t trade being a woman for anything... where do we go from here?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 11:49 PM
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What’s your point
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 04:56 PM
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Jesus really? We’re using every guy we’re not fucking? Hard eyeroll.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 03:28 PM
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Is the argument that more social activities will increase a man’s ability to be promiscuous. Or increase the likelihood that a man can find a regular sexual partner? Lol I just want to be clear about this “lack of sex for men” panic: is it that men aren’t able to get laid at all or men aren’t able to hop from pussy to pussy
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 04:45 PM
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You people need seriously help for your incessant need to villianizr everything women do lmao. The only women that want all men to find fat women attractive are fat women. On what planet would a skinny woman’s motive be “yeah let’s make more men like women who aren’t me!!” Do you hear (read) yourself right now? The motive is “this person I like/care about will feel better about themselves / validated if I say this nice thing” Jesus Christ
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 01:40 AM
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I had to be taught this by women who grew up way more popular / socially adept than I, but there’s a “be nice but not too nice” rule in girl world. Too nice can be interpreted as “too eager to be liked”, which can lead to a dynamic where the woman you’re complimenting now thinks you’re a little below her, ESPECIALLY if you’re a fawning type of complimenter and/or you do it every time you see her (and no it doesn’t matter how genuine you are). It’s VERY adjacent to the TRP “don’t treat her like a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 01:32 AM
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No I’m not. I’m assuming that the woman will be doing the lionshare, which has been supported by data, over and over again (for households with SAHM or full time working women).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 05:40 PM
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Qualify the “most” part of your argument or GTFO. Every young woman I know knows how to cook and keeps a decently put together space. Try harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 05:38 PM
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Lmfao whatever helps you sleep at night.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 03:14 AM
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lmao I gotcha, no worries
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 03:14 AM
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I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. The data and the surveys have been clear on this for decades. No convincing needs to be done for anyone. Those, like you, who wish to mentally contort themselves into believing the exact opposite were always going to believe whatever they wanted to anyway. However, since you asked: for the average seasoned man, their wives were the vehicles and the rearers of their seed, and the keepers of their home...and served as the glue to their social circles.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 03:12 AM
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My argument: having a social circle that reflects your own personal demographics is true of MOST people. You didn’t really dispute that. You simply made an argument for how one can avoid such a reality. Doesn’t change the fact that this is a reality for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 02:49 AM
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“Why do people assume that financially responsible people end up happier because they actually have stocks and retirement accounts to fall back on later in life, instead of the broke unestablished people who were “riskier” with their money in their youth?” It’s comical how much you lot will perform mental somersaults to avoid the objective truth that men fair better, WAY BETTER, in long term committed relationships over the course of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 02:47 AM
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No there aren’t lmao, at least not valid ones. I’d be willing to believe this could be true of millennial men down the line. But older generations? Lmfaooo not a chance: old men, generally speaking, are absolutely fucked without women taking care of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 02:39 AM
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People have lives outside of work. Decent SAHMs have always been assets to working men, not the parasites this sub tries to make them out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 02:38 AM
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Believe it. Besides the idiotic RP sentiment that “MEN DONT CARE AT ALLLLLL” about women’s career/money, the data is CLEAR: men, increasingly, pair with their professional and/or academic counterparts. If a woman is dead set on “marrying well”, one of the best methods she can employ is getting an advanced/professional degree and/or going to an elite institution. And even if said woman doesn’t pursue this path with the hopes that she’ll be a SAHM someday, it goes to reason that such an arrangemen…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 02:27 AM
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Restating things over and over don’t make them true. SAHM (or at least, a proper one) embodies 3 full careers in one: maid, nanny, and chef (each of which can pull in $40k a year +). It doesn’t become less work because a married woman in pajamas is doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 02:22 AM
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So you admit it: she’s right that low earnings guys don’t want the responsibility that comes with being the lower earner?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 02:07 AM
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Yes, as is true of MOST people (if you really think about it).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 01:59 AM
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The fact that you people honestly believe that the guys you consider “alpha” don’t get cheated on is precisely why TRP isn’t taken seriously and will never be mainstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 01:49 AM
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You’re moving goals posts: “Most people cook” is the argument I made, and that’s objectively true.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 01:16 AM
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Most people cook and clean but nice try. And picking up cooking and cleaning is infinitely easier than doubling ones income.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 10:48 PM
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Ok let’s make this easy: what would make you call a female partner of yours supportive. I am hoping that you do not ironically list a bunch of stuff your mother did for you...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 06:31 PM
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Nope some people just have guy friends that they wouldn’t want to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 06:29 PM
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Yep. This women’s attraction to bad boy/drama etc. is usually due to insecurity and immaturity. Biologically, our mating imperative is to seek structure and stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 06:27 PM
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Women staying with cheaters gets so much attention...What gets little to no attention is the reality of how many men stay with cheaters, and the abject LIE that “men would never put up with what we do” lol The difference is men aren’t going to risk broadcasting to the world that their wife fucked the pool boy, only to end up back with her the next week. Men have a sense of pride/shame when it comes to looking like a total fucking fool for love, that women have not yet evolved to possess. You’re …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 10:37 PM
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That’s agreed upon cheating that stops being cheating at a certain point lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 10:34 PM
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Not not close. I think it’s the insecurity that makes some people tolerate it. Otherwise, loving a man isn’t going to make you okay with him cheating. But that’s for validating my assumption that plenty of men definitely believe this, and use the post-cheating breakup as evidence that the woman never truly loved them lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 10:33 PM
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Because polyamory suggests the other person gets to fuck around too, which is not the dynamic most cheaters are looking for with their partners
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 10:31 PM
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What’s to rationalize? Even if you’re a god awfully ugly woman, it still goes to reason that you look for a partner who will be nice to you and who isn’t a complete reject at life
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 09:54 PM
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Money is the difference maker. You see the same thing with kids of single parents who have money: negligible difference between them and kids raised by two parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 09:52 PM
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Kids raised by single parents with money do just as well as kids raised by two parents. Nice try, but the difference is money, not gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 09:52 PM
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Lol not sure which men you’re talking about. All I know in my personal life are married men who are on their 175th chance with their long suffering wives. That said, I’m an immigrant, so maybehaps our women are different lol
/r/MGTOW202/03/21 10:47 PM
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Based on what? The same exact type of conjecture I used to make my OP on these men? Got it.
/r/MGTOW202/03/21 10:07 PM
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So is the view that their wives were just impossible to please...
/r/MGTOW202/03/21 10:02 PM
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Exactly, likely because you have a soul. What’s worse is how hard MGTOW bros try to make a villain out of MaKenzie Bezos. Umm pretty sure there’s a reason why Bezos himself hasn’t said anything public about her and it’s probably because she was a great partner to him and HE knows he fucked up.
/r/MGTOW202/03/21 09:50 PM
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Wait I don’t get it. Is the point here that the wives should have been happy in these marriages because these guys are rich? Despite checks notes rampant cheating and mental health issues? Got it!
/r/MGTOW202/03/21 09:42 PM
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Eminem is an abuser, Nas is an abuser, Logic left his wife, Will Smith an Jada have a two way open relationship, Dr Dre is a serial cheater...
/r/MGTOW202/03/21 09:41 PM
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Tom Cruise is a psycho religious nut lol. Jeff Bezos cheated on his day one who was with him when he has nothing for a gold digger. This sub is really obsessed with the idea that being rich is the only thing a man should have to do to keep a long term partner happy lmao
/r/MGTOW202/03/21 09:39 PM
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Yep. We don’t talk about this enough: regardless of the BS spewed on this sub and RP, “high quality”, educated, MC/UMC well socialized men are overwhelmingly likely to choose educated women as their wives. College and (white collar) career is just as valuable of a socialization AND social climbing tool as it is a money making one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 09:32 PM
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Stop with the disingenuous BS. I’m sorry but “vetting” is not a fail safe for who your partner might become 5 to 10 years after you get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 09:26 PM
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No. In fairness, I think it’s dumb for anyone to think about marrying someone that offers no utility to them
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 05:27 PM
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Which means next to nothing. Some women love men unconditionally...that in now way makes it wrong for people to want to marry individuals who functionally make their quality of life better
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 05:26 PM
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Yes. Weirdly enough the older I get the more I care about women thinking i’m good/pretty enough haha
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 05:42 PM
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Woman here: next to nothing (now that I’m in my late 20s). There was a time when attention from men was a slight motivator but that wS when I was very young. Now, I really chase the feeling of knowing I look good as fuck and the feeling of being proud of myself. I feel worthless without either, no matter how much outside validation I’m receiving at the time. It really is all about how I feel about myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 05:41 PM
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You forgot the “good luck”. Manners are dead :(
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 02:58 PM
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He he he we make it work
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 02:56 PM
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Me? Lefter by the day. Current man isn’t into politics but he’s a Banker Bro so might as well be a republican lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 02:54 PM
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Ahhh you’re one of those. Good luck...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 02:53 PM
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It’s almost as if love and sex aren’t the same and TRP would benefit from teaching men that such is true for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 02:50 PM
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Random but- I love my guy but I miss dating someone super into politics like me! On the bright side, I do WAY less arguing in my personal life, but truly miss a good current events gab fest
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 02:44 PM
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It’s easy to make a guess, hard to make an accurate one. I’ve been telling men this for years: the biggest sluts you’ll ever meet are not who you think they’d be. Source: woman who’s “sluttiest” friends are well put together, nerdy, well spoken and posed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 02:38 PM
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Once we show that promiscuity bodes poorly for men as well, the debate stops. It’s like clockwork on this thread
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 02:36 PM
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Jesus thank you for this. This wouldn’t be PPD if there weren’t men hell bent on protecting the scientifically unfounded idea that women are irreparably damaged by promiscuity but men are benefitted by it lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 02:33 PM
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Yes I have experienced this, less or more of these experiences would have zero impact on how many more men I would hook up with... That said, the conversation you overheard didn’t reveal any information that is unique to women’s experiences (as is the case with almost all the information that is peddled on this sub as gender specific): men all too often “have fun with” relationship material women and end up as the bad guy who played her, when they could have just as easily slept around with wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 02:28 PM
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So a woman who is willing to clean the whole house, tend to the kids, and have dinner ready while also holding down a full time job?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 09:40 PM
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That’s not how any of this works...You cannot rise above your basic needs. Consistent Human connection is one of those needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 02:35 PM
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I think his point is that your scenario is not the norm, and not emotionally and psychologically sustainable for the average person (I will spare you a full mental health lecture but this “all I need is me/myself/I” bullshit is absolutely antithetical to how human beings are built. You need people, period. You’re not an exception, bud.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 03:45 AM
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While this fantasy sounds entertaining in your head, I’m sure, you lot are completely neglecting the reality that commitment, marriage and family is not a purely feminine desire. Most people regardless of gender will aspire to these things in their lifetime. I say all that to say...making yourself be awful to women so that you can sleep with a lot of them without having to be their boyfriend first won’t ever make someone want to be a boyfriend or a husband less at some point in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 03:38 AM
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Jeff’s riches aren’t the only element in that marriage. It’s plausible that he could have been just as materially successful without marrying Mackenzie (though I’m skeptical based on what I’ve read about their early time together), but it’s very unlikely that he could have been JUST AS materially successful, while also having a functioning household and well adjusted children without his ex wife (and those elements matter A LOT if we at all assume that Bezos gives an iota of a shit about his hom…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 03:23 AM
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I never once argued that men are more selective than women. This also wasn’t even a debate about hypergamy but ok... And now you’re arguing against points I never made. Just like not being a man whore isn’t the same as being a virgin, not being below 6ft tall isn’t the same as being “too short”. And what I argued is that women aren’t nexting guys for not being at least 6 ft tall, en masse. I stand by that. It’s not a thing that is commonly enforced in the dating market, regardless of how much it…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 07:55 PM
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Women’s sense of attraction/sexuality is infinitely more discriminate than mens. This is not novel information, nor is it weird when you consider biological mating imperatives for the sexes. Even so, these truths will not magically turn preferences into deal breakers. I’m sorry, we need to get off this height thing. Men are not being nexted JUST / ONLY FOR not being 6 foot tall, en masse. It’s just not a thing. Neither are they being nexted for making south of 6 figures, en masse. Also not a dea…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 07:34 PM
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No. The type of men who frequent this thread treat women’s preferences as hard deal breakers as a cope for why they haven’t been as romantically/sexually successful as they think they deserve to have been in life. Women dive, LIKE NOSE FUCKING DIVE, well below their own stated preferences for men literally all of the time. Spend time with women and you’d know this...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 07:27 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 07:20 PM
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I’ll take what your eyes have seen over what me and every woman I know has experienced, I guess...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 08:40 AM
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No you’re wrong. You’re just obsessed with the revenge fantasy that women will be fucked over if they don’t settle with an average guy...and my argument isn’t that chads are better people, it’s that shitty behavior towards women is not, and has NEVER been, concentrated towards to “high value” end of the male population. It’s a lot more evenly distributed than you’re willing to accept, but the idea that treating women badly isn’t common place for average men is absolutely laughable to ANY woman w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 08:19 AM
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I love your response because it kind of mirrors WHY I’ve made all men wait to fuck me: I LOVE SEX. And like the average woman, I’ve definitely fallen victim to the “oh no will he think I’m a useless whore if he finds out my privates tingle when I’m excited??” sexist bullshit messaging in my youth so I spent SO MUCH TIME trying to hide how sexual I was. For me, being sexual didn’t mean being promiscuous but I love to fuck, So in reality, I made these dudes wait months to (in my head) make up for …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 08:09 AM
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No and also my assessment about these men wasn’t a moral one. I’m saying, in behavior, they were acceptably decent to the women they courted, often times, noticeably moreso than “average” guys I know. I will pose this question again: why would a naturally good looking, high status man cheat, lie and manipulate when he has all the tools needed to attract women and maintain whatever dynamics he wants with them? Most Chads aren’t coupled because they don’t have to be, but no one is being manipulate…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 07:40 AM
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I’m pretty familiar with the literature on the very topic we’re arguing about in fact but ok... For future reference: You can just say you’re tired of debating (or, ya know, admit you’re wrong and don’t know what you’re talking about) instead of resorting to boyish and baseless insults.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 07:23 AM
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That’s funny because my experience is polar opposite. While being less likely to settle down in a relationship, the Chad’s I’ve known have been pretty great to the women they’ve entertained. I mean, not sure what reason you’d need to be a deceitful/ manipulative asshole when you have natural good looks, movie star charisma, and decent social standing. In contrast, I’ve never been “played” by Chad, only average guys. For the most part, the same can be said for my girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 07:21 AM
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No matter how often you lot repeat this line, it won’t become true that this list of attributes is a deal breaker for all or most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 07:17 AM
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Preferences are not the same things as standards and I wish the men on this thread would stop talking about the two as if they are. I can want Bill Fucking Gates for a husband, that won’t change the fact that there is only one of him I will likely settle down with a guy at an acceptable, yet sub-Gates threshold of attributes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 06:52 AM
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As someone already pointed out to you, not being a slut isn’t the same as being a 30 year old virgin. Nothing I said is false for the general population or even hard to believe: the type of woman who would have a low n count and be desirable enough for marriage is not looking to settle for a man with a wild sexual past. High Ns settle with one another, same for low N’s. Sorry, but the red pill fantasy that men can sleep around into perpetuity and still end up with virgins will NEVER be a reality…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 06:46 AM
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I don’t disagree with you, which is why my argument is that women should also avoid men with high n counts for almost the exact same reasons (luckily, the smart women mostly already do that).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 06:22 AM
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The literature actually suggest low n count people, regardless of gender, couple with eachother. The only type of woman that tends to be ok with male sluts have a past of sleeping around themselves. Most people are viscerally unattracted to promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 06:15 AM
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Lol makes sense. N count definitely counts for men too...just to a way lesser extent than the other way around. Totally gave my BF a hard time for his past too, but mostly because there are a few too many hook ups for my taste, his actual count passed the smell test :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 02:52 AM
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Agree to disagree on that, but even if we scour anecdotes , I have never seen any material evidence in my personal life to suggest that women who are sexually chaste themselves are attracted to promiscuity (as a stand alone attribute) in men. That doesn’t even logically track.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 02:47 AM
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I’m not doubting this is true...I’m doubting VERY much that this is true BECAUSE you’ve bedded a lot of women. The typical woman who has consciously maintained a low n count and high level of desirability through her early and/or mid 20s would not be attracted to a man because he gets around. If this is the type of woman you eventually settle with, it’ll be because your other favorable/attractive qualities (charisma, physical attractiveness, material success, intellect, kindness, generosity, etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 02:36 AM
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Male whores*, not whites ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 11:40 PM
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Low n count in men is just as important IMO. I generally don’t buy into this N count mess, but the same literature says it impacts mens ability to pair bond as well. More importantly, definitely a cheating correlation there. If I were bisexual, I’d be more wary of male sluts than female sluts, any day of the week
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 03:06 PM
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The correlation to cheating is a good enough reason for women (generally and on this thread) to harp on high n for men. I know I and my social circle do: I’ve dated one high n count dude in my life and that was a lesson learned. Never met a more unscrupulous, dishones wanton slut in my life. I considered myself sex positive before this guy but he really brought out the slut-shamer in me lmfao. Now I shout it from the roof tops: high n count in men is begging for a disaster of a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 03:04 PM
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Ok so your conclusion is that being a slut won’t hampers makes ability to pair bond...or just not as much? Because I’m pretty sure the literature suggests the former, but this thread behaves as if “not as much” = “it’s ok for men to be sluts”.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 03:01 PM
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Bingo. The literature actually shows that low n count people tend to settle with one another. The sad truth is, the only people who tend to be okay with high n counts have n counts themselves. That is to say, women certainly aren’t picking men BECAUSS they have high numbers lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 02:58 PM
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My god, this bullshit concept doesn’t not apply to male-whoredom. Studies have shown that sexually chaste women tend to settle with sexually chaste men. Women are not attracted to men who are sluts BECAUSE they are sluts, it’s because of everything else that made them that attractive to other women. Remove exccessive success/fame/etc., and you’ll see that chaste women next men for being sluts all the time. To date, I have yet to know a women with an N under 10 who settled with a guy who had anyt…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 02:56 PM
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Why are you people So dishonest about that fact that no a single study shows or proves that promiscuity is good or advisable for men? Newsflash: it’s counts as intellectual dishonestly when you purposefully cherry pick literature to only show the correlative relationship of promiscuity for women’s mental health, as if promiscuity got men doesn’t also correlate with cheating is decreased ability to pair bond.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 02:49 PM
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Strangely, your situation is rare from what I read. In general, low n count women end up settling with low n count men. I have always had a visceral reaction against male whites because I can’t shake the internal anger and disgust of settling down with someone who was slutting it up, knowing for a fact he’d next me if I had his same past. Yuck!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 02:42 PM
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Triple figures is rare for anyone, regardless of gender. Which would make it a weird thing for men to be constantly worried about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 02:32 PM
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I can’t personally relate but I definitely feel that this is the case for the average woman, regardless of how “high quality” she is. Whereas, I think highly desirable men only see relationships as a net-positive when they know for a fact they are ready for marriage/family/settling down, otherwise, they tend to look at it as an additional unneeded burden
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 08:16 PM
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Ummm...I’m not going to discount your own preference but I couldn’t be more different lol. I have chosen and prefer boring and consistent throughout the entirety of my dating history lol, I’m not even slightly interested in an emotional rollercoaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 01:08 PM
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Nope they aren’t the same for thanks for contributing and showing you don’t understand the word “context” either! Better luck next time :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 12:43 AM
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This argument can and does work both ways. What’s to be said of someone compelling their partner to do a sexual act that they are fully aware that partner does not like at all? You honestly think a dynamic like that can go on for YEARS without at least some level of manipulation, or someone lying / being to nervous to jsut say no? Both party’s feelings are valid, your issue (it seems) is this attempt to make one valid over the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 12:05 AM
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Again, you’re struggling with the definition of ‘context’. “I had a rough childhood because of my moms drug abuse” is NOT the same statement as “all of my problems in life are my moms fault”. One lends context, the other lends blame. I’m not backtracking, simple definitions of words are just kicking your ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 12:01 AM
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Sure...but do you really think that’s the same as “it’s obvious he doesn’t like and literally has NO respect for you?” or would you say that’s unfair hyperbolic bullshit to suggest of a man who quite literally might just not like eating pussy? Look at the comment I was responding to...really, I don’t respect any man who I won’t let fuck me in the ass? Come on, REALLY?! Which is precisely why this slippery slope is worth discussing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 11:44 PM
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Lol missing the point, those weren’t whore phases.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 11:41 PM
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Context and accountability are two different things. I never once insinuated that I wasn’t fully responsible for the actions I took at a young age. My point is that your conclusions about WHY a 19 year old took a dick up her ass are probably far off and probably had little to do with “durrr so attracted to Chad!!!1!!” I chose my choices, but that doesn’t remove the context in which these choices were made. Let me know if I need to go slower for you next time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 11:30 PM
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I mean you can tell yourself what you want but I am guaranteeing you that men are notoriously awful at sniffing out REAL slut tells. An example (which I’ve mentioned on this sub endlessly): the sluttiest women I’ve ever known HANDS DOWN are doctors and lawyers (said doctors and lawyers have corroborated this). These are extremely nerdy, modestly dressed, hyper intelligent (or at least, hyper studious), unreasonably well spoken, quirky shy girls that pass every single middle-school slut-tell test…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 11:27 PM
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You didn’t offend me, I’m snarky by nature ;) Really though, just driving home the point that what women are doing with their bodies at age 16 and 19 isn’t about how adventurous they are 99% of the time. No offense taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 10:52 PM
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Men can do whatever they want tbh but don’t insult our intelligence and act like most or even many men are doing advanced calculus to decide whether or not to commit to a woman based on her sexual history. The VAST majority of guys care about body count for sexist/misogynist reasons, let’s at least be honest about that. That said, I don’t have a long history. So whatever vetting you’re thinking of quite literally wouldn’t work on me if I was one of your potentials, unless you’re dumb enough to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 10:50 PM
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This is the only comment anyone needs to read in response to this post, well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 10:27 PM
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No disrespect to you, but this closed minded dichotomous view of women (slut or prude, good girl or whore) really bites a lot of you in the ass. I AM adventurous lol, I have great sex with my partners. There are just certain things I know I don’t like. Not doing anal with a new guy because I KNOW it causes me excruciating pain is not being unadventurous...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 10:22 PM
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Keep telling yourself that, champ! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 09:34 PM
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This mindset is literally sickening. I’ve had one 3some and I’ll never try it again, because i was pressured into it. I’ve tried anal once and I’ll never do it again because it was excruciatingly painful. My God, do you people ever consider that everything women do with their pussies isn’t about how much we like or respect you? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE SHEER AMOUNT OF WOMEN WHO LOOK BACK IN DISGUST ON THEIR EARLY SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS (Because social pressure, imbalance power dynamics, coercion, and ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 09:33 PM
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No you wouldn’t but you men can keep telling yourselves that. You all do and will wait for the women you want. Such is life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 09:28 PM
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Is it not a possibility that a woman doesn’t easily sleep with anyone? I “hooked up” with one guy when I was very young a stupid. Every other notch is a guy who yes, had to wait months to have sex with me. Varying amounts of attraction to those men, and nothing but low self esteem to explain how that ONE guy wasn’t made to wait. These theories make my brain fucking bleed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 09:26 PM
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Almost a month old but this is so true and spot on. Yet this sub won't let go of the dumbass idea that MOST women are slutty slut sluts and almost no men are having sex lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 01:02 PM
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She said that no one could LOVE a woman who brings absolutely no value but her looks. Not that no one desperate and poorly esteemed enough wouldn't settle for such a woman... Also, where is this reality where there's a plethora of women doing NOTHING in their relationships/marriages, except be pretty? This, I must admit, is now at the top of my "things the men on this sub say all the time, but I have yet to see it even ONCE in my life" list. Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 11:56 PM
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Just as I suspected, a hypocrite. A double standard is one thing, but a gap of 25 + to 3, is just depraved TBH. Promiscuity should be discouraged for everyone regardless of gender, but at the very least, smart chaste women should never let their bodies be used by men who slut around. I’ve slept with one promiscuous man in my life and I lost so much respect for myself I vowed to never do it again. Which reminds me, as an FYI, studies prove that chaste and sexually restricted women prefer and tend…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 11:21 PM
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Cool, and both are untrue: most people are NOT promiscuous AND 80/20 is bullshit, unless it’s referring to which men are having most of the sex and NOT that 20% of men are fucking 80% of women, because that’s objectively and laughably false.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 10:25 PM
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I know this isn’t the point of this discussion, but I never can help myself...just curious, what’s your n count?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 10:09 PM
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I know, right ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 09:02 PM
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So much this. Ever heard the saying “the nicest person you know is a man who hasn’t fucked you yet?” Most of the righteousness men espouse on this sub is in reference to how they behave strictly to get sex from women, not who they are as people. Dig a little deeper, you’ll uncover how nasty, inconsiderate, and down right evil they can be to women they are trying to gain an upper hand over or women they simply don’t want.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 08:02 PM
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Yep, I have a full AMALT list lol don’t think for a second that your kind doesn’t have damn near universal behavior patterns
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 07:59 PM
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1) to your title, most relationships fail because of lack of compatibility. But compatibility has a broad scope, and can span from sex, temperament, socioeconomic status, age, preferences on marriage and family, and everything in between. 2) I actually think women tend to prioritize both more than men, for sure women prioritize an end game way more than men because we have to. If we are family minded, there’s only so much of our youth we can waste on a man who isn’t sure that he wants us to be p…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 07:55 PM
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So...80/20 does not mean 80% of women are being fucked by 20% of men, but rather, 20% of men are having 80% of all sex? If so, that makes sense and alleviates some confusion for me; I think this sub often conflates those two things and they couldn’t be further from meaning the same things. In reality, around 20% of women are having most of the sex too...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 06:19 PM
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Yep, and every single study on sex and young people confirm what the men on this sub will not accept: there’s no way that even CLOSE to 80% of women are having casual sex with 20% of men. The vast majority of young people are not promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 06:15 PM
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It’s crazy how much their ENTIRE worldview hinges on the objectively untrue belief that most western women are promiscuous. They are fucking hopeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 05:50 PM
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This isn’t true. Women don’t vastly underreport. The most comprehensive study done on this topic, in fact, points to the conclusion that women’s reported numbers tend to be more accurate than men’s. LET THE LIE GO! All western young women are not sluts, most people aren’t promiscuous!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 05:49 PM
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On aggregate, women are more romantic. In action, men who are actually in love and actually value their partners (very very very small group of humans) are the most creatively romantic people you’ll ever come across in this life. The catch, as I’ve mentioned, is that men who genuinely like their partners are very very rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 01:15 PM
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As someone who plans to get married in the future, I think it is good if people who don’t want to get married do not get married. I think it’s bad if people who want marriage can’t find marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 01:12 PM
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nah blocking is self preservation for people (women) who have enough self awareness to know they are easily susceptible to manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 01:10 PM
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but then that begs the question...why not just block????
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 01:07 PM
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Blocking is the best course of action if you know you’re prone to emotional manipulation, this I also precisely the reason why women tend to block and not men: 1) men don’t have enough prospects to block women they know they aren’t interested in. Even when a man doesn’t like a woman at all, most will still orbit or stay vaguely present in that woman’s life for the chance for casual sex 2) women block because so many act like victims of their emotions, and thus, are way too susceptible to being p…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 01:07 PM
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Men don’t block because they can’t, they literally never have enough female prospects to make blocking worth it. This is the SAME reason why men never truly leave and always orbit...give it some time and I guarantee that old fuckboy WILL be back sending you the occasional text or DM. Blocking, by nature, is really only a woman thing. Men don’t block except in situations where they are realllyyyy getting ducked over or abused by a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 01:01 PM
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Self-esteem is driven by self efficacy more than anything else. While confidence comes into play, it’s not the whole story. So it’s plausible that while a man can be confident in his ability to attract women, he could lack confidence, and be poorly esteemed, in other areas of his life. Being a male slut can be as easy as being good looking or funny or spendy in a bar on Friday nights (that is, it doesn’t take being rich or high status at all). In my experience, yes, a lot the promiscuous men I k…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 07:22 PM
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You assumption that men don’t care about careers is absurd. Only blue collar and men with low paying careers don’t care. Most people marry across socioeconomically, educated men marry educated. So yes, actually, lots of men are doing the calculation that student debt is excusable if the woman has a good enough career.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 07:19 PM
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Nope, what I said is right there (which is why the gaslighting and obtuseness you’re performing isn’t working with me bud): I said ONE of them was a turbo slut. In that same post I gave you a clear description of the other girl. Try trolling harder. You’re bad at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 05:55 PM
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That doesn’t prove your theory at all. You were given 2 anecdotes and exactly half of them disproved exactly what you just said. Basic analytical deduction really kicks your ass and it’s very entertaining to watch. Keep going. Please.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 05:53 PM
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I’m convinced you’re 12. Do you not know how anonymity works? Or that anonymity is one of the foundational principles of this very platform we’re using? Or you’re going off that middle school logic again by believing women need attention like fish need water, and if I was actually pretty, I’d just be DYING to show you (a stranger I don’t know from a glob of spit on the pavement) my face? Yeah, you’re slow, you’re 12, you’re being purposefully obtuse, or a combination of all of those options.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 05:51 PM
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No, not at all actually. But keep going with the 4th grade “you can’t be good looking if you claim you’re good looking” logic if you’d like lol. Both women in question were white with white partners. One of them (she was 16 at the time) he was her only partner, they were both nerds, the girl decided with her parents that the abortion was best. I know very little about the context of the other girl besides who the partner is, but she is/was a turbo slut so that’s says enough. Nope 8. Just 8. Ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 05:49 PM
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I just think it’s funny how much you men need to rely on anecdotes for ONLY this topic because you know I’m right: ALL available research proves that promiscuity is rare, even amongst millennials and gen z but your entire world view is rooted in the falsehood that we’re all sluts so you just can’t be convinced that it’s not true. Sad. So sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 05:44 PM
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That’s not how attractiveness or physical fitness works lmfao I am, in fact, both of those things (and that information was only volunteered for context of my social experiences and social group). I have no single mom friends. Literally zero. I know two women who have had an abortion (but that doesn’t mean anything. That said, you’re more likely to know of women who had abortions while married but that’s a different topic). Minimal ONS, moderate FWB in my peer group. I know a good amount of slut…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 05:42 PM
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Idk what you’re referring to but even if I did it doesn’t really disprove anything I’ve said here. Stats are clear: most people are not promiscuous. I’m a millennial woman of color raised and currently living in a large Midwest city. I’m attractive, college educated and fit. My social circle fits that bill as well (although most people I brush shoulder with skew white).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 05:35 PM
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Nope you’re wrong about that too. Most gen z and millennial women are not promiscuous. It’s fake. It’s a myth. LET IT GOOOO
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 05:31 PM
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I respectfully disagree. Men on this sub very often conflate men being promiscuous out of having many high value female options and men being promiscuous simply by having zero standards for the women they sleep with. In my experience, almost all promiscuous men are the second type, and that type of promiscuity is often coupled with low self esteem (you can’t convince me that someone sleeping with dozens of people they wouldn’t be caught dead with during daylight hours isn’t indicative of self lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 05:30 PM
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No one cares about your mythical world view based on your personal heartbreaks. Studies have proven, ad nauseam, that most people aren’t promiscuous. Cry harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 04:48 PM
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Link that proves nothing, cool. big yawn
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 03:41 PM
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And studies show that men who are educated actually do care and do tend to pair with women who are educated. Just a pro-tip that that “we don’t care about your DUHGREEZ” narrative is an insta-tell of what socioeconomic status you’re not in.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 03:37 PM
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Men who focus on domination, quite like you, are pathologically unhinged.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 03:33 PM
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I agree with most of what you wrote and I’ll be teaching my daughters the same thing: making your entire existence about being a good spouse and pleasing another person is a recipe for disaster and a fast track to abandoning your own needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 03:03 PM
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Lol thanks for confirming to me that you don’t know how stats work, you’re trolling, and are objectively wrong. Promiscuity is rare and always have been. Studies literally prove this. Go find a new world view since your current one is so dependent on the falsehood that all of us women are sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 03:01 PM
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If there’s one thing the men on this thread won’t listen to statistics about, its the FACT that most people, women especially, are not promiscuous. Literally their entire world view hinges on the falsehood that all western women are sluts despite studies refuting this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 02:56 PM
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1) yes, you end up being beta bux by choosing the WRONG women. Thanks for highlighting men’s responsibility in choosing better women. 2) this threads only real definition for an alpha is someone who doesn’t commit because he has a bunch of pussy lined up. Nope sorry, I want more for my future son than that 3) plenty of “betas” are happy, because they aspired to be family men and that’s exactly what they got. The misery of this thread wants so badly for young men to despise commitment and marriag…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 02:51 PM
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You’re clearly in the mood to argue... So let me get this straight...you think “maintain your self respect and strong boundaries no matter what” is bad advice to give to young men?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 04:33 AM
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Fair nuff, that certainly wasn’t the part of my argument most worthy of repeating LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 04:19 AM
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It’s a huge detriment, and studies show this: only women who prefer casual sex prefer men to be considerably sexually experienced. Women who are chaste or unlikely to fuck outside of relationships (precisely the type of women men want to commit to) prefer men with less sexual experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 03:38 AM
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That’s not true. And also, everything you’re saying depends on sociosexuality. Only women who prefer casual sex prefer men with more sexual experience. Women who are more chaste or who are unlikely to engage in sex outside of relationships prefer men with less experience. So, again: women are not attracted to sluts. https://doi.org/10.1080/00224499709551901
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 03:35 AM
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I think promiscuity, regardless of gender, is usually a tell for one of the following: low self-esteem/High self-loathing, suppressed trauma, and more benignly, lack of impulse control.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 03:26 AM
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But my argument isn’t that women like virgins, it’s that women aren’t attracted to promiscuity. And yes, being a slut can and does negatively affect men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 02:43 AM
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Plenty of women are. Again, a slut is simply promiscuity with NO or little discernment. You’re lying to yourself if you don’t think this turns off plenty of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 02:01 AM
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This distinction is highly important though. There’s a difference between a male slut and a high status man. Both might be promiscuous, but a male slut will sleep with ANYTHING, which is why his number is so high, not because he is highly favored by high value women. Women are not attracted to sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 01:49 AM
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Liking men who have the ability to attract a lot of women is not the same as liking men who are promiscuous. Even then, the promiscuity isn’t attractive, it’s just excused. Literally no woman says “ohhhh body count of 500, Yum!!!” I’ll go through that again because I understand some things can be confused here: women like highly desirable men. The more desirable a man is, the more the average woman will excuse promiscuity. But she isn’t into him because of the promiscuity, the promiscuity is jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 01:46 AM
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Women don’t like sluts, stop perpetuating this narrative (women are just less judgmental about promiscuity than men are, but they are not ATTRACTED to it). I am but one woman, but I’ve always been repulsed by these qualities in anyone I’m considering for LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 01:29 AM
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Women don’t think betas are losers. Red pill Men try to convince betas that they are losers, so women can stop getting good treatment from betas, so that the red pills world view can seem more true. If beta simply means a man that qualifies the standards of being “relationship material”, I have no problem with my son growing up to be one. I would simply stress to him the same advice I give to my friends: self-respect and boundaries are key, no matter who you choose to be or choose to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 12:22 AM
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Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 12:14 AM
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Low n-count/lack of sexual history can indicate that a guy is a loser, but it can just as easily indicate a guy is exactly what I’m looking for in a long term partner: discerning, not a slut, not a womanizer, has high standards for intimacy, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 12:12 AM
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Hmmm interesting wrench to throw into the mix...now that I’m considering it, it wouldn’t have the same effect as him having subscribed to an onlyfans account but it’d stop be off putting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 12:08 AM
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Men already do, so I’d say sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 11:45 PM
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Having ever paid for pornographic media is enough of a deal breaker, as it would instantly make me lose so much respect for you as a man. Actually ever having been with a prostitute? Instant deal breaker, regardless of context.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 11:44 PM
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Literally no one thinks that’s an unreasonable thing to do. Our issue is with male turbo thots think they’re entitled to virgins. Sorry, my low body count is not being wasted on male sluts, it’s that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 11:42 PM
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Yep, women would benefit from being at least as judgmental about this things as men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 11:40 PM
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Biggest red flags: Promiscuity during any point in his life, using prostitutes, cheating during any point in his life, large number of casual relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 11:40 PM
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For relationship material, I care about all of that to an extent. Deal breakers: ever having patronized a prostitute, promiscuous past, ANY cheating in your past. Everything else can be taken on case by case basis,
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 11:37 PM
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And they are wrong. There’s literally no evidence to support the narrative that a significant portion of the population, male or female, is sexually promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 10:54 PM
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Keep justifying why its ok for husbands to be lazy and selfish and still demand sex from their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 01:30 PM
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Yeah, already stressed out people tend to be appreciative of their partners not giving them another thing to worry and stress out about.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 09:00 PM
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I didn’t make these kids or buy this house by myself :)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 08:57 PM
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Experts, as in people well read in counseling and human psychology. Don’t be dense. They all say you’re wrong, have a good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 08:54 PM
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You’re trying to change the definition of communication to make your nonsensical argument make sense. I’m going to ignore this drivel and instead listen to quite literally every family and marriage expert on this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 08:42 PM
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You know who’s libido is too shot to the ground to have sex? Stressed out and overworked women. Argue with physiology more, you’ll get far I’m sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 08:40 PM
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Men are selfish for prioritizing SEX over their wife’s needs, yes. I think partners are responsible for meeting their partners needs. Somewhere on this thread, I said I’d be a selfish piece of shit if I pressured my stressed out husband for sex before even attempting to collaborate on a solution to our problem first.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 08:39 PM
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When you say you had to reject them, you explicitly told them that you weren’t interested? That’s rare for me. I usually have to fight for a direct answer. In my experience, most women have used lies to pass off their unavailability. Women are having these same experiences too. You think men (especially when they re already getting consistent sex from us) are being forthright and saying, "I'm never going to commit to you because you're too messy?" We're all being led on or ghosted.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 08:36 PM
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"We're not a good match." I struggle with arrogance so I try not to do the "I was just too good for him thing" as avoiding self-deception is a big priority to me (that is, I don't think it's helpful to convince myself that I am *better* than any guy who doesn't want me. I try to practice radical self-awareness so pretending like my shit is just too hot doesn't really mesh well with the way I try to live my life). In addition, I used to struggle with low self esteem, so I try not to do the overth…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 08:33 PM
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This is true, in a gender neutral fashion. When you have options, dropping people is easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 08:25 PM
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That's a ridiculous thing to believe, because it assumes that you or situations/people you're familiar with could be the only driver of your partners mood.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 08:17 PM
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Lol, ok wow that's a hot take. Communication is for the mentally impaired? Please, humor us and let us know how you fully cognitively functioning people behave in relationships, with grunts and head nods?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 08:16 PM
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Women, without a shadow of a doubt. I think men are good at tiptoeing around womens' feelings, but I still think if a guy cares enough, he's going to voice his concerns. Women, on the other hand, can sit on a single issue for years and just stew with resentment. I've ranted on this subreddit before about how this is the WORST thing about women and I stand by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 08:14 PM
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Not sure who you’re shouting at but my didn’t say men should be “ok” with no sex lol, not even remotely my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 08:04 PM
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I’m saying that I believe male libido loss can way more often be attributed to medical issues than female libido loss. TYPICALLY. GENERALLY. Yadda yadda... That doesn’t really change my opinion, and all these opinions are gender neutral; if it’s a man too stressed out to the point that his libido is dead, I believe his partner should also try to alleviate some of his stressors in a bid to solve the problem. What’s your issue with this opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 08:02 PM
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Who would be ok with no sex? Of course I wouldn’t be ok with it. That doesn’t mean I can’t lend my partner understanding, kindness, and cooperation in order to find a solutions that helps both of us. No one said be ok with no sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 07:59 PM
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If the issue is an imbalance of labor, yes absolutely the load should be shared and If not, OP is still RESPONSIBLE for attempting to collaborate with her partner to find a solution It’s helps no one for her to approach this problem as if sex is something her partner is selfishly and spitefully withholding from her. Any other questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 07:58 PM
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Good thing I never said that. I said typically, a man like that will still want to fuck his wife regularly. That’s not the same as saying men’s libido can’t be affected the same way (but it’s not typical). And for the instances where that is the case, why do you think my opinion would change? If you want to fuck an over stressed spouse try not being a selfish piece of shit and attempt to alleviate some of the stressors your partner deals with on a daily basis. If my future husband is stressing a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 07:51 PM
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I’m willing to believe that those men’s spouses contributed to their sexlessness, sure, especially if that’s the feedback they gave their spouse ; but again, based on the differences between male and female sexuality, it’s also pretty likely that a man with a depressed libido has a medical issue that’s causing it (alternatively, it’s not strange or unusual at all for a healthy woman to have depressed libidos). That’s said, relationship problems are rarely the fault of just one partner. I believe…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 07:44 PM
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I’m fully aware that that subreddit is full of women. That in no way negates a thing I said on this thread, so I’m curious what you think I’m wrong about?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 07:40 PM
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Huh? When they were dating, she wasn’t doing chores and cooking for more than one person and wrangling kids. Is your head ok? And what exactly is this response anyway? “So what our wives do more than their share, HOW DARE THEY NOT FUCK US ANYWAY?!” It’s so hilarious how often men all but admit that their idea of a perfect marriage is doing absolutely nothing in exchange for having women perform endless labor for them. This isn’t about chore play. This is about the physiological reality of female…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 07:38 PM
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Yes I realize that, I read that thread all the time, it’s not shocking in the least. What’s your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 07:34 PM
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Well then what I said wouldn’t really apply, then would it? But are you going to pretend like most dead bedrooms aren’t married people with kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 07:32 PM
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They are fucking hopeless lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 07:31 PM
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Making your life partner and mother of your children happy and loved, you self serving dunce hat aficionado. Both partners should always be striving to meet their partners needs. This is a pretty simple concept for anyone not hopelessly selfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 07:31 PM
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No. What I said is that when your wife isn’t overworked and overburdened, her libido likely won’t take a crash. We’re literally talking about the reality of the physiology of female sexuality, and you’re fighting for your right to be lazy and let your partner do way more than her share lol. Good luck with your future deadbedroom :)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 07:29 PM
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Should your dick come before your home, food, and children? Share the load or cry more.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 07:26 PM
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So your position is that men should expect consistent sex from their spouses whom they overload with the imbalance of the labor that supports both of their lives? That’s the hill you’re dying on? Lol ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 07:25 PM
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No I wouldn’t, but luckily, that’s not how male sexuality works. You can be miserable and you’ll still typically want to fuck your wife on a regular basis. Such is life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 07:24 PM
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Happens to the best of us, no worries
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 01:41 AM
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Oh gotcha. Women doing shitty things doesn’t make what I’m saying less true. People, generally, are bad at accountability and finding where their faults are. This is a gender neutral trait...see: this thread and the anecdotes you just delivered. That said, it doesn’t change reality: it’s takes two to tango. Relationships problems are often driven by the behavior of both partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 01:40 AM
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huh? That speaks to my point, that both people usually contribute to issues in a relationship lol or is there something I’m missing?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 01:36 AM
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What’s more laughable is that not a single guy who expects his wife to fuck him like she did when they first met courts and schmoozes his wife like he did when they first met. These guys are hopelessss
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 01:35 AM
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Well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 01:32 AM
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You don’t get benevolence points for the way your attraction works, as that has nothing to do with you. Am i blaming men or am I stating the obvious truth that sexlessness in relationships, and all relationship problems tbh, don’t exist in a vacuum ? Controversial opinion time to shut you whining men up: find a cheating man? Very often you’ll find a woman not fucking or fulfilling him in other ways. Likewise, find a female initiated deadbedroom? You’ll often find an unsatisfied overworked woman.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 01:31 AM
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No one reduced it to “men bad, women good”, I simply hold that dead bedrooms are rarely THE problem, they are a symptom of problems that both partners contribute to. The men I’ve dated were great to me....literally amazing. And I fucked them all the time. See how simple that math is? Ignore reality all you want but sexlessness, especially in coupled women, never exists in a vacuum.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 01:24 AM
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Except “lame excuses” can literally be anything, depending on the guy who is complaining. You don’t think men have and often do label “I do everything around here” as a lame excuse?? Lol k. That said, my point is that when you erase the proportion of women who are under loved, over stressed and over worked, the amount of deadbedrooms is minuscule. What I’ve spelled out on this thread is the precursor to MOST deadbedrooms. There’s no deadbedroom conversation to be had without discussing this unfo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 12:58 AM
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Question: how many people do you think are, innately, comfortable with injustice and unfairness? Women are socialized in the same world that men are, thus, if you’re a man who thinks housework is for women, there’s a good chance you’re married to a woman who believes the same thing. That, in no way, will change the physiological impact of exhaustion on a woman’s libido. STOP PROJECTING YOUR NATURE ON TO WOMEN. You think a woman who, otherwise claims to and shows love, is not fucking you because …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 12:48 AM
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Average deductive reasoning skills would lead you to what the obvious answer to your questions are: dead bedrooms are not a relationship problem, they are a symptom of one or many problems. Find a dead bedroom, you’ll find a wife with a pile of grievances with her spouse. Go to counseling to find a common solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 12:31 AM
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But I really appreciate that your comment can be summed up as “...and so what if she does all the work at home??? EXHAUSTION ISNT A GOOD REASON TO NOT FUCK ME AS OFTEN AS I LIKE!” JFC you lot are hopeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 12:27 AM
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Why is that your assumption lmfao most women aren’t single moms? Most single women aren’t balancing a home and chores and cooking for two or more people. Your entire response is poo poo.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 12:26 AM
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Women working full time is the norm, and women doing the lion share of labor in homes in the norm, so no, that doesn’t qualify as a special circumstance. Reason would lead us to believe that this is, in fact, the reality of the average married women. Getting more sex as a result of doing chores, is NOT the same as getting more sex because your wife is not stressed and overworked, you’ve lost the fucking plot; sex takes energy and focused attention, and women can live without it. Kids, house, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 12:24 AM
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I don’t know how many different ways this can be said: women LOVE sex. Men just want endless sex with their wives without having to accept the notion that your behavior as a man (because female sexuality is innately reactive!!!) has a lot to do with whether or not your wife wants to fuck you. How nice are you to her? Does she do literally everything at home? Do you date/court her regularly? Every man on a dead bedroom soapbox needs to ask himself those questions before whining to the rest of us …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 12:17 AM
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It could just as easily be that she’s overworked and too tired (I.e. with a guy that leaves her with all chores and child rearing). Female sexuality is highly reactive. Treat your wife like a live in maid and cook if you like, just be ready for her libido you shoot towards hell and for her to gain 100 lbs. Yes, some women lose attraction, but just as often, it’s likely that the man is actively contributing to the reasons why her sex drive has fallen.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 12:11 AM
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Everything comes second to mens need for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 12:09 AM
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No it’s not, and once again, not the original argument we were having. So I will state my position, that holds true, yet again: if you need dominance to inspire respect, you’re not respectable. Dominance and respect aren’t related. Dominance, while not negative in and of itself, inspires fear and intimidation in the context of interpersonal relationship. It’s not needed, even a little, to foster respect between two people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 09:49 PM
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Wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 09:04 PM
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No that’s not what I said. What I wrote was specific for any woman who fits the bill of being “attracted to dangerous men”. I know very few such women. I didn’t equate dominance to abuse. I am interrogating dominance in and of itself, and it’s place in a romantic relationship (or any human relationship). Not finding dominance unattractive is not the same as finding it attractive. That’s also not what our argument is about. So, once again, back to my original point: if you need dominance to inspi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 06:47 PM
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I reject the idea that women, in general, are attracted to dangerous men. That said, depending on the environment, a “dangerous” man probably displays attributes that would make some women assume he’s capable of providing safety and security to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 05:10 PM
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Welp that was my question, thanks for answering.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 02:30 PM
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I didn’t say traditionalism is based on rationality. It’s not. What I said I like to both compel others and myself to rationally consider why they cling to certain tenants of traditionalism. Even if you’re not looking to or willing to abandon your beliefs, it’s still always pretty cool and insightful to try to deduce why you care about them in the first place, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 02:26 PM
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To be clear, while I reject it for myself, I have no issue with people taking the traditional route. I just like to compel people to rationally interrogate their sense of traditionalism and consider why they feel so strongly about things like this. :) Congrats on 27 years, I hope you two are very fulfilled!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 02:08 PM
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That wasn’t the question I asked. Why is it indicative of a woman’s love for a man but not indicative of a man’s love for a woman? Because an old tradition said so?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 02:06 PM
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No they aren’t. Respect and dominance are not related at all. You can have dominance over someone who doesn’t respect you. Bringing me back to my first argument: if you need dominance to inspire respect, you’re not respectable. You’re just intimidating. The people I have the outmost respect for in this life are not dominant, they just have respectable qualities. No wonder you lot are sexless lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 02:02 PM
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Yes it’s a serious question that you haven’t answered.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 01:57 PM
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Women and men want marriage at nearly the same rates. Kills this “men get strong armed into marriage” narrative. The only men this applies to are men who KNOWINGLY string along marriage minded women for many years until she presents an ultimatum, and by that point, he hedged his bets that it’s better to settle down with her then try to find someone else. Independent of a specific woman, most men want marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 01:56 PM
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I have yet to meet a married couple under the age of 40 where the man paid for the entire wedding. Most young people are splitting costs or having their parents pay. 1b. Which is where the “MUH TRADITIONS” argument falls flat with millennials and gen z; men in those generations will not be traditional provider husbands, so they can’t really use “traditions” as a reason for why women should change their name. Wedding culture is obnoxious tbh, you don’t have to consent to a $40k party. A name chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 01:54 PM
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I am plenty submissive and service oriented to men I am in relationships with but I’d never change my name. Your argument is inane and doesn’t consider that plenty of cultures don’t dictate name changes as a norm, so there are billions of men globally that have not been socialized to expect it or attribute it to a lack of commitment. Thanks for playing, though!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 01:50 PM
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So you not taking her last name is indicative of you not loving her?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 01:45 PM
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If you need dominance to garner respect, you’re not respectable. What a terrible personal ideology to follow lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 01:43 PM
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The world is bigger than the US. Last name changing is a western practice. So if we’re looking at the entire globe, it is quite common. All of your arguments hinge on the American tradition of name changing, but on the global scale, the arguments fall flat.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 01:43 PM
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What’s the point of getting married if you don’t change your last name? I’m sorry, is a last name change quite literally the only thing a woman has to look forward to in marriage or did you not consider the logical end of this argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 01:37 PM
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Yep!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 01:35 PM
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why
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 01:34 PM
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Also, I’ll add, I’m ok with this arrangement. But I’d insist that my husband take 100% financial responsibility for the kids (I’ll still likely be the primary caregiver, so I think that’s fair)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 01:34 PM
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Lol look dude I don’t mind that you wanna cling to useless traditions, but this freakonomics argument is falling flatter than a bad pancake. How would the last name of someone’s parent come up in employment? I’ve never seen it happened once so I’m genuinely curious to have you expand on this thought
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 01:33 PM
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Thanks for pointing out how much of a non-issue it is. I don’t mind people wanting to follow traditions but I always find it funny when traditionalists go “THE KIDS WILL BE SO CONFUSED!!!!1!” as if different last names is actually gonna have any discernible negative effect on anyone’s life lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 01:30 PM
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Well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 01:20 PM
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Material success AND children at the same time, is what I’m arguing, the balance of being progressed in your career while simultaneously having a stable family.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 04:40 PM
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No one gets married just to get divorced though lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 04:26 PM
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Yep exactly. Supposedly, every young man’s knows plenty of older men who love shit talking marriage, but look at the rates of who gets remarried most and faster between divorced women and divorced men...lol yeah their behavior doesn’t actually indicate that men enjoy marriage less than women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 04:25 PM
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Nope. Trends are showing that marriage will continue to skew towards high earning and/or educated people. That said, I’m sure men of exceptional wealth will opt out more (but they are social anomalies so who cares). To be clear, I personally make the argument for marriage for anyone that wants children, I think it can be insignificant for people who don’t want kids. For people who want children, everything I said hold true. And even if western women do nothing else, the value of their unpaid chi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 04:23 PM
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huh
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 04:17 PM
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1) marriage rates are going down dramatically, but high earners, educated, and white collar people will continue to skew towards marriage. 2) yes, the stability of having a spouse who is a maid, chef and nanny in one is in fact a historical benefit of and driver towards marriage for men that is the direct result of being married.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 04:00 PM
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“Women get everything” isn’t law or fact, just MGTOW babble that isn’t reflective of how divorces actually happen. Divorced women are poorer than divorced men. You’re assuming that with all or most marriages, that there is a custody battle (nope, very rarely actually), extensive child support or that most women even put their exes partners on child support lol (nope, avg. payment is around $400/month), large retirement savings to take (Do you know how many Americans even have $1000 saved??)?? Wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 03:57 PM
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Except literally no one here claimed women don’t marry up more than men do. The question is, what exactly is your point? No, that’s not my argument. That was an aside that speaks to why seasoned men get married and will continue to do so. Companionship and security contribute to why marriage benefits both genders, but what I wrote was to specifically point out one of the most powerful functional reasons men value marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 03:47 PM
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Nope, generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 03:43 PM
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lol and the only married people to warn me against marriage have been older married women. I know plenty of older and middle aged men who are pro marriage and swear by it, but my family is from abroad so that’s not surprising. But I’d still say I know plenty of western men who are pro marriage. Either way, don’t trust what they say trust what they do, right? Men groaning about marriage is one of our oldest cultural memes and yet it seems that seasoned men gain quite a lot from being married
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 03:35 PM
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1) Women marry poor and working class men all of the time. Literally all of the time. 2) the vast majority of Men who want stable families and material success will get there by way of having a partner to help carry the load. Your disdain of women will never make this not true. Very few people can pull off success and well adjusted children without a spouse (who takes on a significantly larger role at home/with children than they do...this also skews true for hyper successful women).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 03:31 PM
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Good thing divorce isn’t the same thing as marriage. Also, women fair worse financially in divorce than men do. Divorce is fun for no one. Marriage is beneficial for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 03:27 PM
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Most educated and high earning men will marry educated women, and this trend is only increasing. Women marry across, as opposed to up, all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 02:50 PM
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Yes I would in every context, with the exception of if I was unreasonably wealthy, at which point, it makes less sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 02:46 PM
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That’s just a common experience for ANYONE in a family where marriage is the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 02:44 PM
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Lol they are acting like there isn’t evidence to back the fact that married men are more successful, happier, healthier, and live longer than unmarried men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 02:43 PM
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Haha right; i meant an athlete is one of the only type of guys at that age whose high body count wouldn’t have taken me aback
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 09:56 PM
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I went to a big school too, so did all of my friends. Currently live in a big Midwestern city. Unless you were an athlete, that N count would get you labeled promiscuous by my circle (again, at that time in our lives).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 03:27 PM
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what’s your n count
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 09:32 AM
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Woman here. N count of 25 by age 22 definitely would have gotten you labeled a slut / playboy by my friends when we were that age. It’s definitely high.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 09:23 AM
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Can relate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 09:19 AM
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Precisely why red pill ideology will never catch on in any significant way. If it was just presented as casual dating theory, they might have a chance. But this is their MO: junk science, exaggerations, anecdotes and conjecture. I spent half a day arguing about “80/20”, hypergamy and the wall with a man on twitter who posted 5 ( COUNT THEM 5) studies to “prove his point”. Arguing is my kink so of courseeeee I had to take an hour to read them all. Not only did not a single one of the studies prov…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 03:49 PM
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Your screen grabs aren’t science. But I appreciate the deflection. Allow me to double down: casual sex for men, means casual sex for women. Stop trying to convince all women that they should live without sex if you want women to think it’s a tragedy if you have to live without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 04:07 AM
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Lmfao exactly. Most people, male and female, are not promiscuous by any means. Yet the slut haters in this subreddit are convinced all hope is lost because apparently only sex workers and strippers exist anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 03:56 AM
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Nah, you guys are just running a fools errand trying to get women in a free society to feel bad when they do have casual sex, and feel really bad when men aren’t having casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 03:42 AM
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Wow, what an leap you made there. Intellectually dishonest to baselessly adjust these numbers to exaggerate whatever point you’re trying to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 03:34 AM
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Fair, but regardless of demands and expectations, women aren’t actually getting more from men than men get from women in relationships. Women are just way more comfortable and willing to voice and act on their discontent. Ending serious relationships is typically a thing women do. Alternatively, men usually start behaving poorly/stop behaving well when they are over a relationship, up until the point that the woman is fed up and dumps him (this makes sense for the average man, after all, a bad r…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 03:30 AM
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What the fuck are you on about? Your telling me you don’t know men who are good people? HUH?!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 02:40 PM
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It’s a thing, but it’s is not a widespread phenomenon by any stretch...and the old men that can pull this off are usually good looking or financially stable. And even AT THAT, the young girls they can get are mid to low tier. Top tier young women are fucking or committed to top tier young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 02:35 PM
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What exactly is this question? Do you really not know men who are good people to their family, their friends, their coworkers, and the women they date??? I know plenty of them, attractive and not attractive, they seem happy and fulfilled....
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 02:28 PM
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Yikes, that’s a big nope. I’m nice and respectful to everyone, I don’t ignore or treat men I find unattractive with disgust in safe environments (unlike attractive men who literally look right through or will actively be mean to women they don’t find attractive) but I absolutely am not inviting a stranger man into my personal bubble in a non secure environment, it’s just not going to happen. Also, notice how I said “...if men don’t want to work to be more attractive”...before I’m asked to be Cap…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 01:44 PM
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If my brief paragraphs came across as me saying self development and improvement is simple and easy, that was not my intention. But I hold firm that for the vast majority of people, developing social skills and becoming more attractive is absolutely accessible. That’s not to say that everyone can become top 1% of hotties, but yes, almost everyone can become more desirable with work and effort and time. I’m genuinely sorry to hear about your home life. I struggle with the real fear of settling an…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 01:34 PM
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I see what you’re saying and I’m not sure lol you could be right, I think Bezos is an ugly soulless dweeb, so my point was more so that no, him being rich as fuck doesn’t lend him access to any woman he wants. DiCaprio is charming and handsome, he could garner genuine attraction from women even if he was poor (obviously just my opinion)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 01:24 PM
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Foreigner here, I’m sure you’re right that we will tend to care more. And that way more young girls don’t care about stuff like that, but I would not say it’s universal. But also, you’re conflating “caring” with “caring about it more than every other thing”. For most women, finances will never be at the top of the list for what they look for in a man (regardless of what TRP says), but it’s still on the list. Anyone who thinks Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates has more options than DiCarprio is fucking de…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 05:20 PM
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BECAUSE WE’RE FUNNY LIKE I SAID I’ll see myself out 😁
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 05:02 PM
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you’re generalizing wya too much. I absolutely (and my friends) cares about those traits when I young(er). I just think young girls are more forgiving of men’s financial and career deficits at younger ages, so other personality attributes tend to stand out more to young girls....but in my experience, they definitely care. And to be honest, in my experience, the girls who didn’t care at all when they were younger still don’t care now that they are older. There’s plenty of late 20/early 30 somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 04:57 PM
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Social and emotional needs. Single women typically aren’t lonely, even if they are dissatisfied with singleness. Most men get their emotional needs met via women, and most middle age and old men get their social life fostered by their wives. Men are deathly lonely without women (look at the widowhood affect).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 04:47 PM
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The only man I can say I needed was my father. This is objectively true. Despite all the benefits I’ve received from other men in my life by just existing, my quality of life has not been impacted on a personal level by any man but my dad. That said, it’s very possible that I would still be from a privileged background without my dad as my mom is highly educated. Being relational creatures, women will never face the depression causing abject loneliness that most men are at risk of, and this, in …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 04:44 PM
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My apologies, I was not clear: Income matters to your ability to fast track your self improvement journey. if my brother could do all this with what little he had left over after paying his college tuition, he’ll be unstoppable once he actually has a real job and wants to do stuff like joining a great gym or upgrade his wardrobe. Being an engineer is absolutely attractive and will peak some womens’ interests, but I was more so pointing towards the lifestyle potential his income will lend him.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 04:37 PM
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Yep, this right here is the answer (despite whatever else I posted on this thread lol): regardless of whatever the hell men say, women see men commit to brainless boring bitchy attractive women literally all the time (and then come to the internet to tell the rest of us that we have to be submissive, smart, interesting, funny and sweet as pie just to get a date). “Don’t listen to what they say, watch what they do” is some universal wisdom that anyone can apply. Thanks redpill lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 04:32 PM
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The last part is funny, because me and all my friends have discuss how men do this same thing: on a first date fish for information regarding the type of guy you typically date, and then literally lie and embellish to make themselves seem like that guy. Sorry, this wasn’t posted in the spirit of “whataboutism”, I just found it funny that I knew this was a complaint many women have of men but I didn’t know men have dealt with this same thing from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 04:28 PM
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1) the messaging that men honestly prioritize personality over looks does not reach most women, or at least, it certainly isn’t heard louder than the lifetime worth of messaging that tells girls that our entire value is our looks. An adult woman grasping that most men will pick a slightly less attractive girl with a good personality is about as likely as an adult man grasping that women can be (and often are) driven by sex. 2) I don’t think anyone really prioritizes “developing their personality…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 04:25 PM
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At least we’re funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 04:16 PM
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I’m a piece of shit for having and exercising options? Got it. I’ll sleep just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 03:56 PM
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Where’s the gaslighting? Where’s the degenerate lifestyle? Women having options isn’t a conspiracy against you. We have nothing to feel guilty for.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 03:33 PM
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Dumb incel can’t read and uses online trolling to self medicate for the depression caused by never having felt the loving touch of a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 12:29 PM
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I don’t expect perfection out of men but I can accept I expect significantly more from men than you might ask of women. To be honest, my life is great and the people in my life treat me like gold, so I don’t have room for any man who isn’t at least going to match or improve my day to day. That said, this “advantage” is really only true of white western women. I’m very attractive, but as a woman of color, I can tell you that while I have plenty of options, I know for a fact I’m not getting the at…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 11:37 AM
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Foreigner woman here: you’re right. AAs can be super soft
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 11:32 AM
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That’s actually not statistically true at all. The trope of black men going for white girls is extremely overblown...but in your and the general population’s defense, most non black people’s anecdotal experience with black male mating behavior come from watching professional athletes or being acquainted with college athletes. Statistically, however, desirable black men settle with black women (they still have the highest interracial marriage rate of any other gender or race though).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 11:31 AM
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Lmfao as a woman of color, I’m DYING for this sub to let us discuss the race angle!! I’m ready for it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 11:25 AM
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But the hypergamy angle is literally only analyzed in the manosphere. What I’m talking about (the hookup culture panic) was on a mainstream level, and it was PURELY “WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT ALL THESE YOUNG WOMEN HAVING SEX!!!1!!!” these people weren’t concerned about any 80/20 thing, it was fake puritanical sexist bullshit. And now, we’re all supposed to do a psyche shift and light candles because men aren’t fucking enough? Funny how that works...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 11:20 AM
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I’m not special at all. NO ONE IS. This whole thing is a fucking numbers game. That doesn’t erase the very apparent reality that I’m attractive with options! I get it, women aren’t allowed to be aware of how pretty they are (despite all of our value being reduced down to how pretty we are), but I’m not going to date like an ugly girl because it would make you feel better. Exercising my options doesn’t make me an asshole...btw, I do so without being a slut so that theory is out of the window too.…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 11:15 AM
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Lol not your fault, apparently I’m new here!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 11:08 AM
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Oh yeah, for what it’s worth, I’ve dated two post 25 year old virgins that I found physically attractive, and I can attest that their issues were glaringly obvious lack of social skills. I am willing to admit that social deficits are way harder to fix than physical ones, but I hold that it’s still very possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 11:07 AM
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Nope. Even when this is true, these people have horrible social skills. My brother is someone who fits the computer nerd social/aesthetic archetype, with the exception that he’s tall (extremely intelligent but very nerdy, shy, not many friends, etc). I’ve watched him for the past few years take some fucking control over his wardrobe, skincare routine, and social skills. He’s not swimming in pussy by any means but the pride he has from knowing he fucking worked his way out of perpetual incel zone…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 11:05 AM
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Content of character is not mutually exclusive from the other qualities I and other women prioritize while choosing men, which is why this perspective is batshit. I go after men I am attracted to who, I know this is crazy, also meet certain moral standards. I’m beautiful, young, fit, well educated, of good character, from a good family, etc...I’m not an asshole for not giving every nice guy a chance. But, AND I CANT STRESS ENOUGH, the men I choose are attractive and of good character. Your argum…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 10:58 AM
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Me, finding out today what the fuck purge week is: ohhhhhh, that explains a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 10:45 AM
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At all. If men don’t want to work to be more attractive WTF am I supposed to do about it?!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 10:44 AM
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Most men are ugly, and ugly in extremely fixable ways. Men, en masse, feel entitled to affection and romance without having to be physically attractive...in men’s defense THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT, men as well as women, were fucked up by a bunch of sexist messaging that all but convinced people that women were blind and perpetually moral and the only thing it takes to get one of us is being nice lol. Bad hair cuts, neck beards, terrible dressing, horrible body order; the most apparent “ugliness” I …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 10:41 AM
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Men, even if subconsciously, are resentful of the fact that women have standards tbh. We’re supposed to be the moral ones, so they villainize any woman who’s not willing to settle down with any man who’s nice to her. Despite, as you pointed out, when men can behave like desirable singles with plenty of women to choose from THEY DO EXACTLY THAT WITH ZERO REMORSE (even if it means leaving a whole family behind). It’s insane and simultaneously hilarious to watch.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 10:35 AM
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How is exercising choice being an asshole? You men prove all of the time that your resentment is rooted in the fact that is women dare want for anything in romance JFC
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 10:32 AM
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Honestly, I just find it conveniently hilarious that when I was in college, the social crisis afoot was “hook up culture”, aka young women are having too much sex, and now the new crisis is men aren’t having enough sex, and every woman who’s been scolded/slut shamed out of casual sex is supposed to offer sympathy to the half of the population who is allowed to sleep around. Oh brother.... Our fake puritanical culture has been, for a while now, trying to usher back a period where, SOMEFUCKINGHOW,…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 10:31 AM
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I promise it has failed you plenty of time. This tactic is very obvious to any woman who is smart. There is no male tactic of gauging sluttery that the average slut who seeks to hide this information isn’t privy to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 02:16 AM
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Yes most men don’t ask for an actual number, you try the almost as transparent method of asking me random question about my past boyfriends lol. We keep telling you ANY woman can hide this information and ALL male tactics to get this information is glaringly transparent to the women, in my experience, who are most likely to be sluts: smart, educated, professional left leaning women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 02:15 AM
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Because that’s actually how men behave. Men trade in when they can, most of you can’t, and you use the fact that most women can as some type of proof that this is behavior exclusive to women. Men aren’t more loyal then women, not even close or even kind of. Men have far less prospects, there’s a huge difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 01:55 AM
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Ok now you’re trolling. No one suggested that refusing to enable emotional victimhood is akin to abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 01:57 PM
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Um it’s your responsibility to not enable bullshit, is it not?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 01:40 PM
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But does it matter if the relationship is her top priority?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 12:48 PM
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Entering a man’s frame means the relationship is the woman’s top priority?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 12:48 PM
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Dude I GOT IT! The man can’t be obsessed with his relationship, you said that! I’m asking a very simple question: In the same exact relationship, does the relationship’s success require the woman to make the relationship her top priority, or can it be successful when she too is focused on independent goals and interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 12:40 PM
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Sure, but I figured we’re comparing the genders to their peers...if so, usually it goes like this: Top tier men always have the most social power, individually. Single young women have WAY more power than single young men, on aggregate. marriage, as an institution, offers both genders a boost in social status, but women lose social status the longer they go unmarried (men don’t, or lose a negligible amount). women trade in most of their remaining social power for the social status boost of marri…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 12:38 PM
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beep.boop. You’re still evading my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 12:15 PM
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Yes I’m a heterosexual human with plenty of dating experience... What “different” experiences? That the “best” relationship dynamic is when the man doesn’t prioritize the relationship but the woman does? Are you going to answer my original question though?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 12:12 PM
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“People treat you how you allow them to” yes, to an extent, you can control enabling behavior that women are far too comfortable with in adulthood. I’m a woman, btw. I call my girlfriends out on emotional batshittery all the time. One of the only things I’ve ever really extended empathy to men on (and this happened with the last few years) is how y’all think you have to put up with grown adults who act like they aren’t in control of their actions because of eMoTiOnS. As someone who has never had…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 07:01 AM
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Men do way more performance to earn women than the other way around. Honestly, women in “traditional” pairings volunteer most of their power to the man they eventually choose, but even when you scrutinize the traditional courting process, the power is obviously skewed in the favor of highly desired women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 06:41 AM
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Hmmm that wasn’t a tongue in cheek question btw, I’m genuinely curious...red pill types always suggest a woman (even a wife) / relationship (not even a marriage) can NEVER be a man’s # priority if the relationship is to work out (and some go as far as suggesting the relationship/the man must be the woman’s top priority in order for it to work out). So to clarify, based on your post, can a relationship be successful if both the man and woman have another top priority/passion? (Weird how you equat…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 06:36 AM
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And don’t you think this mindset help enable women acting like that? I’ve never behaved like that in a relationship and men have way too much patience for women acting like they are victims of their emotions
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 03:42 AM
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Can the same relationship work if the woman does the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/20 03:29 AM
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In and of itself, it means next to nothing. Coupled with good reputation, great social skills, and decent enough character, it can be a cherry on top (if you’re into that type of thing, but many women aren’t).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 09:53 PM
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Men have the unique and exclusive ability to provide security to other people. I think most people would argue that that’s a gender neutral trait in theory, but in practice, you’ve probably only felt a calm sense of safety under or near a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 03:14 PM
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Yes, you’re absolutely right. To be clear, I want necessarily advocating for casual sex for women. I was simply saying there’s not nothing to be gained from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 10:12 PM
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Yes lol you can be intimate with someone you’re not committed to. This isn’t a novel concept... True shit regarding the sexual pleasure though. Just stating that there are things to be gained...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 12:07 AM
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Fun, sexual pleasures, validation, intimacy, a way to pass the time...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 11:16 PM
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It’s an unequal exchange, that doesn’t mean there is nothing to be gained from case sex for some women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 10:45 PM
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You cut the effort to maintenence effort. Which isn't as much effort as goal effort, or you give yourself a new goal. Ok what’s the proper level of maintenance then?! You’re not answering this question because we both know you honestly believe men shouldn’t have to do a thing after the relationship starts. It's not relevant if it's 1 to 1 pleasure. Women still get pleasure from sex. Very relevant. Why are you assuming all or even most women are enjoying the sex with their partners? Why are you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 10:37 PM
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​ I'm sure its exhausting getting catered to constantly. Nope, it's mens emotional ineptitude that usually sucks the life of women in relationships. That's unrealistic for a variety of reasons. Not the least of which that theres a build up, isn't there? Like he's trying and trying to get to the next level if bf and gf. What's unrealistic about it? Why are you lot pretending like most coupled women were courted with solid gold jewelry and private jet plane dates?? On average, the courting stage l…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 09:12 PM
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Heterosexual sex is not an equal exchange amongst men and women, and I’m so close to dying on the hill that you men make this argument in bad faith because these types of conversations are the ONLY time any of you ever even slightly suggest that men and women might have similar relationships with sex. The sex point stands: men and women have their needs, if you want someone enough you meet those needs, even if you become exhausted.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 06:08 PM
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Do you think women don’t find dating men exhausting or are you just having a moment? Women expect the effort and passion that started the relationship to be present during the relationship. Men expect to put in a lot of effort to start a relationship and be given a free pass to put in no effort in the relationship (but still hold the expectation for women to meet their needs), for many reasons this is true, including that a lot of you act like your commitment is Gods gift to planet women and how…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 06:01 PM
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No adult will love you conditionally tbh, such is life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 05:46 PM
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Why do you think this would make women have less sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 05:42 PM
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Lol um...huh? Women can still cheat all the time in a world with majority paternity testing, they would just always use protection
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 05:41 PM
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No that’s not what I’m saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 09:15 AM
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No one is arguing men are shallow. But male sexuality is fairly straight forward, simple, and easy to ignite. A depressed man can still have an active libido (not saying he will, but he can and it wouldn’t be strange for him to), this is significantly less likely to be true of a woman in the same position. Female sexuality is more so reactive. Lol yes it is that their libidos are less affected by outside elements than that of women’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 04:12 AM
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I know it can, but women’s sexuality are going to be way more reactive to outside factors than men’s, generally speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 03:55 AM
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the love and devotion is expressed in those actions, stop being obtuse. Women feel rejected and uncared for when they are not romanced and not courted. Men feel unloved when the women they love withhold sex and don’t prioritize their looks. That said, female sexuality is reactive: The typical woman’s libido will suffer in the midst of excessive stress, busyness, hormone imbalances, and yes, not feeling loved and cared for by her partner. Men don’t need any of that to still want to fuck their par…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 03:05 AM
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All types, especially rich men. Rich guys love sex workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 02:45 AM
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Huh? Did you read anything on this thread? Men court women, before and during the entire relationship. Women stay attractive and sexually actively during the relationship. No one here said this worked in one direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 02:42 AM
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The point is that it’s something that fulfills one of women’s chief emotional and romantic needs. Also, this expectation to continue courting your female partner extends to things like flowers/gifts/cutesy shit, not just dates. I don’t need to understand why you want sex more than once a month to empathize with the fact that you will feel unloved, invalidated and uncared for by me if that’s how I treat you. If I stay cute for you and fuck you often enough then yeah, you bet your sweet ass I expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 02:38 AM
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Oh that jealous part wasn’t at all my contention with your argument lol I’m just speaking on the merits of having children later
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 10:12 PM
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That link negates nothing I said is not proof of anything you’ve argued. I’m speaking reality and you’re pounding the sand to justify doubling down on a worldview you’re committed to believing. So much for being the logical gender, huh? Luckily, facts don’t care about your feelings: Most people (and women count as people too, FYI) are not promiscuous. Fact. Hard fact. Double Dog fact. Again, surround yourself with better people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 10:10 PM
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First, casual sex and promiscuity are not the same. That said, MANY casual sex encounters are only casual on one side, and include one partner (the woman, maybe) actually being deeply emotionally invested. More commonly, promiscuity is going to be driven by personal beliefs and/or lack of being emotionally and psychologically well adjusted, not by one man (or many men) having some mystical power over our pussy by being aLpHA; I was a virgin until 21, my original desire was to wait until marriage…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 10:06 PM
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I think you’re exaggerating the likelihood of that worried. I personally think 40 is probably the reasonable age at which most people should stop birthing kids. That said, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to expect to have 20 healthy years of being parenthood from age 40 to 60. Personally, I never had that worry while always being cognizant of the fact that my parents are older than most kids’ I knew. But maybe my parents were just healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 09:52 PM
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Gotcha, just bucking against the idea that it’s a bad thing lol. My parents were a decade older than most parents and all 5 of their kids had a great upper middle class upbringing as a result.My personal goal is to have as many kids as I can between age 35 and 40. My mom birthed her last at 46, so I may attempt to do it later if my health allows. Anyway, I’ve just never seen it as indication that something went wrong in someone’s life lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 09:44 PM
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Your logic is honestly terrible, Women are already sexual beings. We don’t need men to turn a switch on before our pussy works. Everything else you’re discussing is just attraction: Human beings all have a propensity for promiscuity. You’re not saying anything profound by arguing “women might sleep around if they are attracted to their partners enough”. That’s literally how sex and attraction works...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 09:39 PM
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Older is not the same as objectively old. I interpreted “older” to mean older than the typical child bearing ages of 18 to 30 yrs old, not a 60 year old. Can you clarify?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 09:36 PM
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Hmm interesting perspective. I resonate a lot with the second paragraph, especially. I tend to agree with your take on things
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 09:24 PM
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Fair. But all of your arguments that suppose most women would be sluts if conditions were right is pure garbage speculation, so can is the only word you can use.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 09:22 PM
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The average man doesn’t really have this power anymore. It’s still skewed in men’s favor, but generally, there are still plenty of men who can’t get commitment from women they like or even women they’re sleeping with. Thus, it can’t be compared to women’s sexual power. Men can’t date or marry anyone they want. Women can fuck anyone we want.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 09:21 PM
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I used to think this but not so much with my current peer group. I really think the “gate keeping” roles have somewhat become equalized...that is to say plenty of men now can’t get commitment from girls they are hooking up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 09:18 PM
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How?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 09:16 PM
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Oh shit definitely didn’t see the “violet” my bad! But yes lol I thought you were red pill and was responding as such
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 09:11 PM
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Your wall of text can be easily interpreted as “even though stats show most people objectively are NOT promiscuous, that doesn’t matter because all women can be promiscuous” and somehow you think this argument is good.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 09:09 PM
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My opinion usually depends on how active that person is on social media (as in, your boyfriend posts everyday but won’t posts you? Yeah he’s cheating...), but in general I think social media is taken way too seriously. Personally, I wouldn’t post anyone probably until marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 09:01 PM
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No you guys aren’t. Women you’re not attracted to are invisible to you. You guys only notice attractive sluts and project that lifestyle on to everyone else. You have not witnessed the majority of women at your Alma mater sleeping around. That did not happen. You’ve witnessed a lot of women doing that and math clearly kicks your ass so you’ve idiotically decided all women act this way. Most people aren’t promiscuous. This is true of millennials and younger generations. Hard fact. Stop telling th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 08:57 PM
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You can’t hold the opinion that men are both the cApTaInS of relationships, but somehow don’t hold more responsibility for the dynamic of the relationship at the same type. Are we equals partners or no? Is he a leader or no? The role a man plays in a relationship actually can suggest he has more of a responsibility of driving the ideal dynamic.Y’all can’t switch back and forth whenever it’s convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 08:52 PM
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Obviously this is anecdotal but I disagree: almost every couples woman I know can attest to the infrequency, or all out non existent nature, of their boyfriends talking them out/courting them. Too bad we don’t have data on this but this is something that I feel like is a common complaint of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 08:47 PM
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True, but I think this validates OPs premise: women can’t be required to acquiesce the expectations of continuing to look good and have sex often...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 08:43 PM
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But isn’t this expectation valid if met with an expectation from the opposite side that the woman has sex consistently and keeps herself attractive? Men not having (unrealistic) expectations in a relationship is not the same as it being politically incorrect for men to voice those expectations candidly, so please don’t conflate the two. There are expectations on women too...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 08:42 PM
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Good thing that’s not actually true lol. Most people in the Millennial generation will hover around 11 partners. People in this subreddit just love peddling the lie that our society is overflowing with sluts despite literally no evidence to support that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 08:38 PM
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If your contention with any research piece is “there’s no proof the respondents are telling the truth” then I have something to tell you about almost any other survey you’ve ever read in your life... You’re entire argument is inane . The point is of ALL the published data on this issue, literally none suggests that the average woman is promiscuous. The average person, male or female, is not promiscuous. This is fact, cry elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 08:35 PM
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This doesn’t make sense? Who cares if someone can be promiscuous? The question is whether they are and how common it is... Promiscuity is human nature, for both men and women. It’s utterly useless to note that anyone can sleep around... The educated professional part is only there to give context regarding the people I spend most of my tome with (as I think socioeconomics/demographics color this conversation).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 08:31 PM
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Narrator: There was no source.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 08:28 PM
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Lying about something people ask specifically to assign worth to you doesn’t make you a POS lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 08:27 PM
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Really? Do stats reflect this? That said, I don’t really think 20 is promiscuous of a 30 year old but that’s a matter of opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 04:05 PM
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To what end...?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 03:01 PM
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Promiscuity (to me, at least) is defined by quantity of partners more than any other factor. Plenty of people have/have had fuck buddies (casual) or situationships (usually, one side is fucking casually but the other is emotionally invested) but even so, most people aren’t sleeping with 20, 30, or 40+ partners in their lifetime.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 02:13 PM
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F26, n=13. Has not impacted my life even one bit. I don’t have any hang ups regarding my n count (although by my own standards, it’s a little aggressive for the age I lost my virginity at, which is age 21). Never had a man ask, explicitly. I’ve had plenty assume that’s my count is low (presumably less than 3 partners low): I live a fairly conservative life, dress fashionably but modest and sophisticated, and am a young professional. my lifestyle and personality absolutely gives the impression th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 01:13 PM
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Following up to say engaging in casual sex and being promiscuous are not the same things (despite how some on this subreddit may feel). Casual sex is definitely semi-normal in adult groups, but I hold that promiscuity is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 01:04 PM
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I live in a big city and my circle is fairly attractive educated professional women and it’s not the norm on aggregate. If you look at stats actually, you’ll see that promiscuity is really not that common. I do know a good number of promiscuous people, but they in no way greatly outnumber the number of non-promiscuous people in my peer group. Men focus and get bitter about the percieved sluttery of women they are attracted to but can’t have. Women tend to just shit on men regarding their general…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 01:02 PM
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Whatever doesn’t make a fat man look like he has feminine childbearing hips or breasts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 12:09 PM
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Wrong but ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 12:08 PM
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TruDat.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 02:07 AM
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I’m a straight woman. The body builder aesthetic repulses me on both men and women. My ideal physique on men is tall with lean muscle. My comfort spot (types of men I have dated frequently and found attractive) is tall chunky/chubby men with the extra weight properly distributed in a masculine manner (no fat pockets that would mirror feminine body shapes). I’ve even found concerningly overweight (but not obese) men attractive. I’ve never found a bodybuilder type attractive. I logically get what …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 01:47 AM
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You didn’t read what I wrote. I said women who work full time are more likely to care enough about those issues to debate them in the first place (I said nothing to add or detract from any pay inequity argument). But since you mentioned it...Quantity of work hours and time taken out in career paths are issues that are central to the conversation of pay inequity married women have all the time; pay inequity is largely driven by these things because women take on an imbalance of domestic labor onc…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 01:39 AM
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Not really it shouldn't have to communicate that a man considers the other person pleasure? You should absolutely be expected to communicate if you like something, don't like something, and to what degree. Sex gives and take and men are that your anatomy means you are nearly always guaranteed an orgasm This doesn't negate a woman's responsibility of being forthcoming with her sexual desires. so if you are over 20 and have not yet grasped that women need stimulation too and an orgasm would be nic…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 10:27 PM
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Yeah can't even begin to speak on any job that requires significant manual labor lol (5'4 woman here!). That's an interesting perspective, though. Women absolutely owned the entire supply chain and sales functions at the organization I'm referring to (I was supply chain, though I was not necessarily one of the stars I mentioned before lol).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 10:20 PM
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Do you feel validated through social media 'likes' or 'swipes'? In all contexts, I highly value validation from women (especially women I find fashionable and attractive) and only value validation from men I actually want. Do you have sex with new men or FWBs to feel validated? No. Do you feel more validated through social media attention or casual sex attention? I don't really do casual sex, so I will say I definitely feel more validated via sex with someone I like and/or find attractive Do you…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 10:17 PM
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I tend to agree
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 10:08 PM
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Even if that’s true of him, it’s still a woman’s responsibility to communicate her sexual desires and needs
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 10:05 PM
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Why do you think it’s the others who are doing the complaining? The conversations I’ve most closely followed about the struggle of working moms were facilitated by women who are employed full time. Also, if you think about it, Women who are employed full time, are also probably the group of women most likely to be invested enough in their careers to debate topics like pay inequity, domestic labor distribution, and the like in the first place (because the implications of these issues might actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 10:03 PM
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are you serious? I’ve found that it’s the exact opposite; I spent 2 years at a Midwest based Fortune 500...of course there were talented men but the women were far and above the stars of the work teams in my function. I personally knew some idiot women who worked in marketing, but as far as logistics, finance, and sales at this organization, women were the performance stars, hands down. In my small business experience (working at companies with 50 or less employees), women weren’t the top perfor…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 09:54 PM
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What’s bad to you? And what number would be that high? Most people (male or female) are under 20 partners I believe, and most women I know are around and n count of 5 to 10 Idk if anyone is ashamed but I still hold that plenty women lie about it to some extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 09:46 PM
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I definitely didn’t, and the same is true of many other people I grew up in that were raised in relatively alcohol free homes
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 09:41 PM
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Even when the girls have healthy self esteem, just the ability of an older man to do anything, let alone many things, that men her age can’t do (in general or for her) can be really enticing and alluring when you’re young and haven’t no to limited romantic and sexual experience. Luckily, most young girls inherently find it creepy for men much older than them to be actively pursuing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 09:39 PM
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Yep, it’s a total small town mindset that would lead someone to believe a h n-count isn’t extremely easy to conceal. Enough women lie about it that it’s likely you’ve been on the receiving end of the lie at one point in your life, but I agree that most are honest, if for no other reason than the fact that most women aren’t promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 09:27 PM
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Based on my own anecdotal experience, the promiscuous women I know: 1) into the party scene during college. This type of promiscuous girl is not necessarily sleep around in her 20s, it was mostly a college thing 2) into the party scene now. Much more rare, most post 25 year old women I know don’t like that lifestyle 3) anxiety/depression diagnosed 4) less-than-stable childhood
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 04:16 PM
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Loyalty is not the same as being subservient. Having no self respect will trump all good qualities. Why are you arguing inane points?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 04:13 PM
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Nope, men treat subservient women with poor boundaries like shit. Literal definition of a pickMe. Most women have gone through this phase. We all know someone who is this girl. Men treat these girls like shit. Regardless of what men like, what men respond to is respect. Subservient women with poor boundaries get treated like shit, by the best and worst of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 04:10 PM
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Idk about “want”, but don’t let this subreddit fool you, women still pick Simps all the time, so there’s obviously some benefit to committing to one...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 04:05 PM
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And even if there’s commitment for her, it’s usually one sided. They don’t expect anything from the man but being there, but they cook, clean and fuck like crazy. So really, it’s not really her ideal relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 04:03 PM
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I don’t think men dislike women with self respect, that’s what’s so funny and crazy: women with backbones might not be men’s favorite, but men know, after a while, they will (with almost no exceptions) take advantage of women with weak boundaries and no self respect. Men need women to have self respect in order to treat those women well long term. The best Man can develop into a self self seeking monster if he spends enough time with a partner who doesn’t respect herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 04:02 PM
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This. You couldn’t pay me to be a man (ehhh maybe a man of Leo DiCaprios caliber lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 03:56 PM
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I wouldn’t say I’m grateful for any of it, but it couldn’t just be that I lack the perspective to really know how bad it is. That said, I’m a woman who LOVES being a woman. That comes with accepting the bad parts of being a woman. I don’t give much thought to what life would be like as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 03:54 PM
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Jesus Christ you suck lol, maybe talk to more women outside of your brainwashed bubble and you’ll realize our ambitions can expand beyond tending a home.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 03:50 PM
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I’d say this is true, almost no men I know wouldn’t actually want a traditional relationship, most just want compliant wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 03:46 PM
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The point is no one is impressed by someone who sleeps with anything, even women they don’t find that attractive, which is the story for 99.9% or male sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 04:11 PM
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No it’s doesn’t. All people have a natural aversion to promiscuity. But unlike men, women will consider context. Being a slut and being a high value male are two different things. One guys sleeps with ANYTHING and has garnered a count of 1000. Most of those women are likely not attractive enough for him to take out in public. Take Leo D with an N count of 1000, most of those partners are likely high value women (or at the very least) extremely attractive women. That’s the difference. The high va…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 03:51 PM
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Lol and we already went over this. This myth of the super sluts need to die. Highly promiscuous people of either gender are rare. MOST people have modest N counts. Get off the internet and go meet people, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 03:37 PM
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Character cannot be replaced, and sexuality is not character. Don’t commit to anyone you’ve ever caught in a lie. Don’t commit to anyone who is just shady about her whereabouts. Don’t let moral failings slip. Then, take the lead in bed: make the woman feel relaxed. Super relaxed. Then you lead the “what do you like? How do you like it?” conversation in bed. If you can facilitate an open back and forth CANDID dialogue with that person you’re on the right track. Don’t commit to a woman who can’t e…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 03:36 PM
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Yep, there’s only so much nurturing a woman can do until her affection towards you is literally like her affection towards a child. And women don’t like fucking children. In summation, men create their own marital problems lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 03:29 PM
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I’ve never come across a woman on here like that. I’m just constantly bombarded by male sluts who try to devalue any woman who isn’t a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 03:27 PM
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No women do not want men with high n counts, stop peddling this nonsense. Men with slutty n counts have their n counts excused because of h status. A regular dude does not attract women by having slept with anyone. Women want men with some experience, but we still are not attracted to promiscuity. In fact, that’s strictly the realm of low self esteem women, from my observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 03:26 PM
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Well yeah, that’s life? I want commitment, you just want to use me for sex...I’m not getting what I want then I GTFO. It’s not punishment to you for someone to prioritize their best interest, and it’s in no woman’s best interest to be used for casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 04:02 AM
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Male “I’m not a bad person” hamstering. There’s always a million and one reason why they justify doing the wrong thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 04:00 AM
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Good thing the two aren’t comparable...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 03:49 AM
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Lol that analogy doesn’t even work. Casual sex isn’t something random women are doing against you. If you think casual sex is permissible in men but not women, at least grow a pair and say it with your chest. It’s kind of lame if you’re engaging in casual sex, but believe it’s wrong, because a bunch of other people do it. You just plain suck if you think it’s wrong for women, ok for you, and you plan to stick your carouseled dick in a nice young chaste girl once you’re ready for a LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 03:42 AM
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I think this is true. And it’s kind of funny: men’s dating strategy very often has them committing to sexual prudes. TRP blames dead bedrooms on female evilness or whatever the fuck but the reality is this is too prevalent for us to ignore all the factors at play: a lot of men end up sexless in marriage simply because their mating strategy had them labeling any woman that seems too sexual as “not wife material”. Unfortunately, men know next to nothing about women and female sexuality so this jud…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 01:40 AM
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Lol but my judgement still stands right? You’d fuck around but would never commit to a woman who has had a casual sex partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 01:26 AM
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1) “I’m a hypocrite” would have been easier to type out. In translation: you’ve fucked hundreds of women but won’t commit to anyone who doesn’t have a low n count? 2) all women aren’t sluts. Not even close. Sluts of either gender are not the norm. Most people will marry at a modest N count.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 01:08 AM
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So your standard is, regardless of n count, none of them can be casual? If so, does your sexual past reflect this standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 01:02 AM
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Yes I have heard of that sentiment, and it’s just as true of some girls as it is untrue of others. Many women just don’t like anal, and haven’t done it with any partner, Chad or not. Sir, unless her “sluttiness” is perceived to be in relation to you, I’m sorry I don’t buy it. Men don’t generally react favorably to the perception of sexual women. Because male perception of female sexuality usually conflates an affinity for sex with promiscuity. I have a respectable n count for my age and experien…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 01:01 AM
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Majority of men wouldn’t be married to their wives if she sucked their dick in the backseat of a car during a one night stand, which is moreso my point. Men, for all their complaining about sexlessness, don’t look to commit to women who they perceive as being sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 12:01 AM
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👉👈 I guess you didn’t say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 11:37 PM
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Who men are attracted to for fucking is different than who they are attracted to for long term commitment. Such is life. Different people fulfill different roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 11:35 PM
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1) some women never had attraction for their husband, they were just desperate to get married 2) men haven’t evolved. Women have (somewhat), government has (somewhat), men mostly haven’t (not a lot of incentive to, maybe?). The point is, most men simply aren’t the partners needed by most women today.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 11:33 PM
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Also, that doesn’t address what I said: studies re. pairbonding (actually, all studies on promiscuity) never NOT EVEN ONCE claim that promiscuity has a negative impact on women but a positive impact on men. Promiscuity impacts men and women similarly, men just have a higher threshold for promiscuity (by just a handful of partners, not by a whole harem). My point is, why do y’all only seem to focus on female sluts and act like promiscuity doesn’t damage men too?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 11:27 PM
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Wrong. Men and women have and will always be more alike than different. Anyway, Most people have a visceral disgust for promiscuity, the difference usually just lies in what n-count makes someone a slut to you. Men only get away with being sluts when they have a level of status that can explain it. Random dude having 1000 bodies and Leonardo DiCaprio having a 1000 bodies does not get the same reception. Most women (of any type of esteem) will reject random dude for being disgusting. Leo doesn’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 11:25 PM
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I mean nothing wrong as long as you know it’s resentment and insecurity...admitting that is preferable to morally grandstanding on some pseudoscientific bullshit regarding how she can’t make a good wife because she fucked a lot in college.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 11:17 PM
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Lol doesn’t matter when lying is a thing. N count is all but a fantasy
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 11:16 PM
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So having engaged casually in sex makes you another man’s trash? Question: do you men always think of sex as something that is taken from women?? Something that we’re always manipulated into? I ask because so much of n-count rhetoric implies that a mutually agreed upon casual sexual relationship is not something plenty of women willingly choose for themselves...an ex casual sex partner can just be someone a guy used to have sex with, not someone he “pumped and dumped” and threw away, you know th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 11:15 PM
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You should care when anyone is a massive slut. There is no single “study” on promiscuity that shows that it has no impact on men but yet some people pretend like it’s only impactful if women sleep around.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 11:12 PM
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Promiscuity affects male pair bonding as well. Sec negative puritans are dead set on making this a woman only issue and I’m not sure why
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 11:11 PM
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There’s nothing studies “prove” about promiscuous women that they don’t also prove about promiscuous men. Why do y’all pretend like promiscuous men aren’t also a risk to commit to?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 11:09 PM
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Depends on my mood, but usually I’m going to be cold to rude. With a decent mood in a well populated public area, I’ll be VERY polite but short. Funny enough, the men with the sincerest intentions will plow through your rudeness to prove their sincerity Example: I was having trouble one day opening my bank’s door during after hours with my debit card. An old homeless guy rolls up on a bike and stops right next to me and starts fumbling through his sack. The entire time, I’m visibly stepped back …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 12:51 PM
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You’re spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 12:37 PM
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Lol you didn’t really answer the post...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 04:30 AM
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Why in that case is it possible? Strictly based on the man’s wealth? Would it count as commitment in that case if the wife was absolutely against him stepping out?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 04:29 AM
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Wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/20 02:23 PM
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One ex BF, 3 ex-flings (that didn’t end in commitment for various reasons), a few 3 situation-ships that were never candidates for LTR. Mostly decent guys. I’d say I’ve only dated one guy I’d label as “bad” and I was really young at the time. The ones I felt strongest about were all 3-7 years older than me. everyone else was right around my age.The entire group skews middle class to UMC and educated. What are your thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 06:36 PM
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I would agree with you if this was ten years ago honestly. But I think the current dating landscape is just way more dicey tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 01:16 PM
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Nah my experiences with men have been just ok. Understanding how men typically behave isn’t being bitter. Naivety makes women think men engage dating the way women do. I don’t date women. This is advice towards a woman trying to understand why she gets pumped and dumped or just ghosted. Everything I wrote is accurate. Not sure what you want me to say lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 01:14 PM
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Sex is great and women should be having it, lots of it, if that’s what they want. But yes, they just need to know that it’s not an even exchange so they can make clearer decisions about who they have sex with and what they seek to gain when they do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 12:19 AM
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Why should women be controlled? Why are you so interested in stripping autonomy. Nope, I meant all people. Women and men need to be more chaste or practice safe sex. Women and men need to only bare children in the midst of stable partnerships. All people need to be held to account for children they create, full stop. But just so I’m clear, you think men should be free to abandon women they get pregnant? Am I following you? Why are you pushing this patently false narrative that men are always pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 11:28 PM
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Hmmm I see. Women and men engage the apps differently so that’s probably why we’ve had different experiences
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 11:09 PM
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Are you a straight male? I always found bumble and hinge had 1) a higher proportion of men (at least in my matches) who met my socioeconomic standards and 2) a higher proportion of men that were actively looking for relationships, compared to Tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 11:05 PM
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I disagree, but that’s just based on me and my peers’ observations with the apps. There’s absolutely a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 10:56 PM
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“We” as in reasonable human beings can decide to only raise children within a stable partnerships. Is your reasoning really “lots of people are single parents so what’s so bad about more people being single parents”??
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 10:51 PM
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Where did I say anything about men being forced to marry women? Where did I mention government enforcing anything? No one should be forcing anyone to do anything. An individual who wants children should plan to raise said children with a partner, because such an environment will be more advantageous to that child’s development. End of.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 10:04 PM
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You sound batshit and your argument is inane. Children are better off with two parents. This will continue to hold true. Single parents are shitty parents. I don’t care if you (wrongly) think men are slightly better at doing a shitty job. The point is that it’s not a job meant for them to do alone...because single parents are shitty parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 09:33 PM
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I’ve never seen a poll on this topic that shows mens’ desire for children ever deviating significantly from womens’. Most recent polls I’ve seen show that men want children more than women, these days. As for anecdotes, I know way more women who don’t want children than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 08:46 PM
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Spoken like someone who a) has no kids or b) had a nice young lady doing the child rearing work for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 08:41 PM
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I think so, but what I meant was the average man wants children just as much, if not more, than the average woman does. The weirdest and least accurate narrative I read on here regularly is this idea that men are “blessing” women with babies that those men wouldn’t otherwise want if it wasn’t for the woman insisting.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 08:34 PM
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Yes it can be helped. Our society once agreed that a child belongs under two parents, full stop. We can go back to that. It’s not valid. Women are terrible single parents. Men being reported as slightly better than terrible is terrible. Also, for the record, men aren’t “better” single parents: 1) they are higher earners 2) single fathers are more than twice as likely to be cohabitating with a partner than single mothers 3) women generally fare worse financially after divorce/split than men But a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 08:24 PM
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So....terribly? Men aren’t good single parents...NO ONE is a good single parent. Children need a village. Aspiring parents need partners to balance the burden of child rearing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 08:05 PM
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What exactly about that post is upsetting to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 08:03 PM
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I never said a man is less capable of raising a kid than a woman (I definitely believe this, don’t get me wrong, but literally not even close to the point of anything I’m arguing): I said the topic of single PARENT homes has been observed endlessly; children need two parents. Children fair batter in two parent households. Children fair worse in single parent households. I’m not engaging in a debate about which gender is better at being a shitty single parent. The average man who wants children a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 08:02 PM
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what a fun race to the bottom! I said, studies have shown the impact of single PARENT homes, ad nauseam. Who’s better at being a single parent is a moot fucking point when we know that children shouldn’t be raised in single parent households, if it can be helped.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 07:56 PM
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I don’t think they drive it down that much. Single people generally aren’t fucking like rabbits, but there is a small promiscuous minority (for both genders) Married people are having more sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 07:01 PM
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The average man? Can provide a stable single parent household for a child? Oh brother...good thing single parent homes have been studied ad nauseam so I don’t even have to see this argument through
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 06:57 PM
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I never said or suggested that it means nothing. I said men are too obsessed with it for their own good, to the point of being super illogical about it at times. Some of you might get lucky, but MOSTTTTT men who marry an n-1 count woman will have mediocre sex in their marriage, that’s just life. Purposefully trying to marry the most sexually naive girl you could find will blow up in 99% of your faces.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 06:55 PM
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1) many women still carry the old school belief that sex isn’t for women, it’s something women gift to men. Some women may stop some of their least enjoyed “marry me” performances once they get married. Sex is very often one of those. Some, less innocently, wield sex as a tool. 2) heterosexual women are, mostly, having just ok to awful sex. How many deadbedroom perpetrating wives can say they regularly got off when fucking their husbands? Idk...but I know that people like pleasure and usually ru…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 06:45 PM
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Married people have always had more sex than single people, on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 06:25 PM
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“I’ve never taken care of a household or reared children” would have been a lot simpler to type out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 06:23 PM
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Men want children too...and stability for their children as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 06:21 PM
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Don’t engage in casual sex if you don’t want to. Don’t engage in casual sex if you want to, but you want a LTR more. Heterosexual sex is not an even exchange between men and women, so it will almost always leave you less than satisfied. You don’t know. You’re not supposed to. Men are actively hiding this information from you. It doesn’t serve them to be forthright if they just want to fuck. Not your problem.Your job: play the long game and don’t fuck anyone that hasn’t said and demonstrated desi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 06:18 PM
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First date. Second, tops. As others have said, hiding what box they’ve put you in is mens’ TOP priority during the courting stage because they are hoping to weasel sex out of you, regardless of how they feel about you. Respect your boundaries, ALWAYS. No one will respect you if you don’t respect your self and your own needs and wants. Be straightforward with what you want and do NOT let any man evade the topic of “what are we?”. Very very very few of them will ever say “yeah I’m just looking to …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 05:34 PM
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Get off tinder, it’s for hook ups. Bumble and hinge fair way better for LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 05:15 PM
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Honestly, the best strategy for a guy you want commitment from is always NO SEX without commitment. If you must get your rocks off, find a FWB that you deeply understand is not relationship material. Keep casuals in the casual box and never harbor the delusion that a casual fling may be your next boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 05:13 PM
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Gospel fucking truth, sister.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 05:11 PM
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Possible? yes. Likely, no? There’s a gap between what is promiscuous for men and what is promiscuous for women (and no that gap is not 40 partners wide, pretty sure it’s closer to 5), BUT EXTREME promiscuity tends to tell the same story whether it’s expressed in men or women. A guy with 100 n count (with few exceptions) is struggling internally with something, and using pussy to self validate or self medicate. Either way, it’s a fat fucking nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 04:46 PM
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Anything casual, don’t care/won’t ask/can probably accurately guess his n count just by observing him Anything serious, 20+ and you’re starting on thin ice. 30+ I’m starting to shift you into the “fuck boy” file and taking you less serious, 40+ is likely a no. That said, like with men I entertain casually, I can probably accurately guess your count, so there’s a chance I might not ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 04:42 PM
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Men: BE LESS UGLY. Most of you don’t try, and then make the rest of hear your “woe is me” tales about how women have it harder. Prioritization of vanity is not socialized into men, so I don’t blame you fully, but there’s still lots of action that should be taken by the average man, appearance wise. No, you don’t have makeup. But you can change your dweeby hair cut, and wear clothes that fit you and are ironed and well styled, and you can buy ONE adult fragrance so you don’t always smell like wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 04:33 PM
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Oh Idk about who ever else responded to you, I wasn't trying to piggyback on any of those responses. I think domestic partnerships wont catch on for decades though, and not even with the whole population. I'm talking about NOW, most women worth their weight wouldn't give children to a man who hasn't married them. RIGHT NOW, the type of women who would, typically, are not the type of women most men think of as "good" women. That might change in a few decades (I doubt it) but it's definitely not t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 01:04 AM
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Trusting men/giving them power of you is a HUGE gamble (regardless of who that man is) lol but I do think there's an egalitarian way to execute the model he discussed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 12:53 AM
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​ Interesting. To me, 70% cleaning would be fair because I'm doing the majority on several other tasks, so it should balance out overall. I have millenial friends who are really anal with their husbands about going 50-50 for cooking and cleaning and childcare (traditionally feminine tasks), yet their husbands do 80%+ of the traditionally male tasks and they show little interest in chipping in. They even get upset if their husbands ask them to do more than 50% of say cleaning, because they feel l…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 12:51 AM
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I didn't lie by omission. You asked a leading question and I very obviously ignored it and restated my original intent for posting. Beyond that, you were attempting to sniff out the "true intent" of my post, and that question suggested that the true intent of my post was to prove that women are oppressed at home. Which is not the true intent of my post...so i doubled down and responded with the true intent of my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 12:44 AM
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I have always been an old fashioned man, just like my father and grandfather, and it has really worked wonderfully well for us all. I make the money and she keeps the home. Since I am putting in very hard days of work at the office, it makes sense that she have healthy meals prepared, keep the house clean, etc As far as power, I have found the Bible formula to work well. I am in charge, What does being in charge look like, practically? Do you set the vision or do you set hard rules? Does your wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 12:40 AM
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Nice, I appreciate the dynamic you spelled out. I do think its probably only possible with two "progressive" minded people, though. You're like my sister; she says time and time again "I'm not looking for a provider, or a fix-it man, I want a best friend to do life with". I tend to be more functional in what I value in a man (which I admit is because of buried negative beliefs about men), but I do admire the perspective that values marriage strictly for the relational aspect. I think a lot of wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 12:15 AM
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I didn't mean to sound like i was taking a shot at you or your relationship. More generally, I just imagine it's a tough position to be a man who doesn't want to marry (but still wants kids for example), because most women are not giving certain things, namely access to their womb, without marriage. I didn't suggest that you're oppressive or unfair lol but I'd still never have kids with a guy I'm not married to (still on the fence about living with a guy i'm not married to tbh lol), even if I go…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 12:11 AM
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​ (The latter is a dynamic that I think MOST women actually have but tell their friends that their partnership is “equal”...) I think this is the dynamic that is most representative of how a well run household works, and whether it's "equal" would depend on if they're liberal or conservative. Hmm, inclined to agree but I'll wait to reserve final judgment. In liberal circles, saying they're equal would be required. Fair. I would also say this dynamic is dying. From a liberal perspective, this dyn…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 12:06 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/fwlvdl/harvard\_study\_expectations\_of\_wives\_homemaking/fmpw8gq/?context=3 Are you going to add another edit that say I never lied, I simply never answered your question?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 11:37 PM
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My ideal marriage will not exist in reality because of the current legal situation. Infidelity is not illegal, the breadwinner has to pay alimony, and the person spending less time with children loses custody and pays child support. Mhmm I see. But if it was possible, in my ideal marriage I would do the more physically demanding work outside the house. She would do the less physically demanding work inside the house and also take care of the kids. In all contexts or in the context that she doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 11:33 PM
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I think from the transactional perspective of marriage, he's right. There are certain things I, as a woman, am expecting in return for my sexual fidelity, my domestic and emotional labor, and letting you use my womb for your seed. Being legally recognized as your wife is one of those things. Not to mention, whatever metric you use to describe a "good woman" literally all groups of them have been socialized to view marriage the way I just pointed out. I imagine that for the most men that don't wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 11:26 PM
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Interesting. That leads me to believe that you value your woman 100% relationally. Am I correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 11:19 PM
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I agree, men should definitely have a pleasing orientation as well towards their spouse. But I'm trying to figure out if he's talking about kitchy traits like being sweet and smiling a lot lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 11:18 PM
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To me that's part of the leadership role. I still plan dates, small surprises, and try to seduce her. Her job is to bring effort by showing up looking good with a positive attitude and open-minded to the experience, instead of cold or standoffish or testy. Ok got it. Yeah that's what i think. I stay hot, and you keep courting me. Granted, I wouldn't be very tolerant of a husband turning into a complete slob BUT it's definitely a standard I'd hold myself to way more than him, if he's continuing t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 11:12 PM
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Exactly. I just don't know any reasonable person who thinks 10 is promiscuous for an adult, so I have to assume he's talking about a body count of above 40, and if that's the case, I call BS that he would recognize all of those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 10:43 PM
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​ It's unrelated in my opinion. Women are happiest when they are with masculine men and absolutely will not tolerate men who aren't. Ok but that doesn't negate pleasing orientation? Are you conflating women prioritizing certain traits differently vs. women not liking certain traits all together. Pleasing doesn't negate masculinity. When you see very liberal women with men who aren't masculine, the relationship will only survive as long as she is delusional and you will always see them change the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 10:42 PM
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Yeah of course thats gross. I was more so insinuating that any promiscuous person probably has a few people in their past that they wouldn't recognize (so I guess i was saying I don't believe him lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 10:23 PM
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I think you're being needlessly antagonist. I also said nothing about advice. This sub is for discussion and debate. I'm not sure why you think there's nothing to be gained from discussing unique perspectives on marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 10:22 PM
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​ Cared for he can do. Happiness, imho, however is our own job. True dat. By calling things trivial. Might not be trivial to the other party. Not arguing with you, just saying it could turn out to be a thin, blurry line. Me thinking something is trivial doesn't stop me from offering respect to my spouse in that area. I actively and fundamentally disagree with what changing a last name represents, but i'd do it out of respect for a spouse if it meant that much to him. I don't think we have to val…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 10:20 PM
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Too many questions in one post. Only 7 of them ;) I don't really care what my wife does. If she wants to go out and work full time, then we'll have a bunch of money and split the household chores. If she wants to sit at home all day, then she should be doing almost all of the while I work and expect to live off of less money. Standard. Reasonable. Good on you. It's acceptable for either of us to end the marriage if one of us abuses the other or cheats on the other. Otherwise, I would expect us t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 09:49 PM
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Yes, my questions are all subjective. Subjectivity does not make information pointless. I enjoy discussing these topics, marriage will be a huge focus in my life in the next 5-10 years, and there is something to be gained by hearing people's unique perspectives on it. Are you done scolding me for asking questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 09:45 PM
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Loyalty, honesty, trust. Open non-bitchy communication. Agreeable cooperative attitude favoring teamwork and conflict resolution over drama, games, manipulation or jabs. No emotional abuse. If she's upset about something, she picks a strategic time to bring it up calmly and not bitching (it's OK if she loses her cool sometimes, we're all human). Similar communication expectations on me. We have a regular sex life and compatible sexualities. Frequency will wax and wane over time, but there's a co…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 09:41 PM
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Sex is a sacred act of melding to be shared with the man that you love and with whom you would wish to have and raise children, and In my experience (immigrant family, VERY religious upbringing), I disagree: Message 1 is always coupled with fear tactics about a girl losing value, being judged, and not being worthy of love at an older age. The more mature content? MEN NEED SEX MEN NEED SEX MEN NEED SEX MEN NEED SEX. The language might be softer than what we seen in TRP, but i promise I've been he…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 09:26 PM
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I agree, it will. Good on you!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 09:01 PM
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Oh right. I didn't say that I don't believe they are when you asked. I actually didn't even answer that question. You were (seemingly) digging for my "true motives" behind my post, and I simply answered by saying that I just want men's perspective on the questions I posted. I didn't want any of my feminist beliefs to be part of the original post
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 08:59 PM
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Cool essay but no one was arguing that women are self conscious about mens perception of the value of their work. I made a tongue in cheek comment about how men devalue womens work and then blame "society" for women not wanting to be housewives. Not much else to extract from that besides exactly what i wrote lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 08:57 PM
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Who here said any rules needed to be followed? I'm asking men to share their perspective on what an ideal marriage dynamic is for them. I thought I was pretty clear, yet here we are...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 08:55 PM
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It's not a power struggle because you're too powerfully invested in your statement to actually put it on test? "Blah blah" is a cover filler, which could lead to "Well I meant that's you power playing me, too! YOU NEVER LISTEN!" or even worse - silent resentment. Basically a shit-test "auf Lager" I'm not sure what your trying to argue so please expand. My point is that "blah blah" is not a power struggle, Im just saying I'm willing to do stuff if it means that much to my spouse and if I'm still …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 08:53 PM
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how so
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 07:45 PM
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Men devalue women’s work all the time, usually by insinuating that it’s not challenging, hard or time consuming, and that any woman should be happy to do it. That doesn’t really negate whether or not they think their wives should be doing women’s work...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 07:43 PM
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lol no way?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 07:34 PM
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This. Men devalue “women’s work” all the time only to come on reddit and blame sOcIeTy
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 07:14 PM
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“Blah blah” is my expression that these things are patently unimportant, but if they make you “feel like a man” I’ll do it. I resist power struggles as In I’m not going to have needless arguments about trivial things at the expense of a relationship I value. I DID not mean that I don’t stand my ground and maintain my autonomy. But I also said I prioritize respect and reverence in a reciprocal manner. Which is to say, I expect to give a husband utmost respect and honor and demand it in return (no…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 07:12 PM
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But I’m not talking about promiscuity. I’m talking about lack of sexual experience that originated from sex negative messaging (messaging that sex is BAD, not that sex is sacred and for people you love). Most of the messaging women get about sex while you g is not just simply telling them to wait and be discerning, it’s telling them sexual activity is aligned with them being worse lower value people. That’s why I highlighted the shame component...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 07:06 PM
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I guess patronizing comes into play if you believe you’re her authority figure, but you’re distancing yourself from that word so it mig he not apply to your relationship. I see what you’re saying, though
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 06:57 PM
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Lol dude I just mean I don’t want people coming on here and preaching No problemo :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 06:51 PM
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That doesn’t seem logical. How does a 25 year old virgin reach high level awareness of her sexuality, especially if her orientation towards sex is shame (instead of merely chasteness)? There’s no way sexual suppression was likely to lead women to be MORE aware of their sexuality, and I doubt you actually believe this..
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 06:50 PM
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Oh ok I see what you mean. But now I have more questions lol. Why isn’t having a pleasing orientation within the husbands role, as long as he has solid boundaries and never acts against the family’s interests? I don’t mean to read this as “men are supposed to work and support a family, but day to day ‘trying to make your partner happy’ is a woman’s role” but that’s definitely how it’s sounding. You can’t befriend your wife or you have to maintain a level of “friendly authority” with your wife in…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 06:49 PM
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“Men are leaders and women are help meets because BIBLE!” What I was getting at is just tell me what you personally desire in a marriage, not what your value system dictates marriage should look like
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 06:44 PM
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Interesting thoughts, I appreciate your perspective. What does “being in the lead” look like? Leaderships get thrown around but rarely with specifics. And In your ideal dynamic, what “authority” does you wife have to impose restrictions on your and your behavior? Also, If you think your ideal role is leadership/authority, do you think that dictates that your responsibility to your wife includes coddling/continuously courting her/ patronizing her ?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 06:42 PM
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Also, do you think the pleasing / servant orientation should not be reciprocated? That is, is it strictly the woman’s role to have a servants heart towards men and children and men serve in a more high level way, or should men reciprocate and have a servants heart towards their wife where appropriate?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 06:38 PM
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Nice and wholesome. Good on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 06:35 PM
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Can you expand on what leadership looks like? Is it explicitly a dynamic where you’re her authority figure, or is a softer form of leadership, where you’re the high-level game maker but she’s basically free to do whatever within bounds and if her duties are met? (The latter is a dynamic that I think MOST women actually have but tell their friends that their partnership is “equal”...) I struggle with understanding where the line between submissive/dominant and egalitarian relationship is. For con…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 06:34 PM
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Great perspective. I’m good at forgiving myself and awful at forgiving men. I’m going to reflect on this!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 06:17 PM
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The spirit of this post is “what do you ideally expect out of marriage”. Answer as comprehensively or detailed as you’d like, but that’s what I’m trying to extract; men’s expectations/hopes of their own and their wives contributions in marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 06:11 PM
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This is pretty spot on and straight to the point. I’d expand on #2 that sexual suppression is the likely culprit. 20 + years being told “DONT BE A SLUT” does a good job of making otherwise reasonable adult women not know a thing about their own sexuality and what gets them going.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 06:07 PM
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Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 06:00 PM
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I’m new here, thanks :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 06:00 PM
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Not a man but I don’t think that’s really a thing. I think men can self loathe (and many MANY men do suffer from self loathing, but that needs a whole book to even touch on that topic), but I doubt misandry hardly plays a role as all of us are socialized under the same misogynistic patriarchal umbrella. I don’t think men who hate themselves simultaneously think lowly of men in general. Most people, male or female, will skew towards misogyny in their values and world views.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 06:00 PM
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1) society is not dependent on my staying at home or your working dangerous jobs. There’s are millions of us, thus, a lot of room for people to take on different roles 2) women just don’t all want to be housewives. Plenty of women still do, by the way. It’s not about it being inferior; expectations, lifestyles, and the socioeconomic reality of the US has changed since our parents were settling down. We literally have more options at our disposal, no reason to fit yourself into hundreds year old …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 05:27 PM
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Hmm I’d date/marry (and have dated) traditionally masculine men who generally lead conservative lifestyles. BUT i never have and never would date a professed republican or someone who explicitly aligns with red pill ideology, regardless of their lifestyle or masculine traits
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 04:45 PM
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1) my mom worked for most of my childhood. My parents raised 5 successful happy children. My childhood wasnt the happiest but it was fulfilling and set me on a stellar path for success and I wouldn’t trade it. The benefits that I can say were lost by her working we’re more than made up for by being able to be raised in a safe upper middle class community and go to good schools my entire life, and me and all my siblings be able to go to great colleges. Not to mention, the reduced financial burden…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 04:42 PM
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A recognition of struggle is not a claim that other people haven’t struggled similarly or more. I don’t have to want to be a housewife because some men work dangerous jobs. All the rest of your ramblings don’t negate anything I’ve written on this thread: everything isn’t a societal plot, lots of women have just observed the realities of certain walks of life and chosen a different life for themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 04:14 PM
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Yep, and I’m sure men and their intrinsic selfishness and inability to put anyone before themselves is not the reason why women seek divorces in droves and why western marriages are garbage. Have a good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 04:08 PM
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how does one make sure you pick a guy who doesn’t think women should do all housework even when working full time? How should my mom, someone born in raised in West Africa, have gone about vetting a partner that wouldn’t pile household labor on her?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:57 PM
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I asked: Do you think women’s natural observations of the struggle their homemaker mothers and grandmothers endured had anything to do with it? You said: No. You said no based on the belief that most women haven’t observed houses wives... ...huh? most women (in America maybe?) weren’t raised by housewives but the vast majority of us have lived with one or have one in our families lol not sure why you’re talking about housewives like they are mystical rare creatures. All of us have experienced on…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:44 PM
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Of course I have a bias. Having emotions is not antithetical to being logical and reasonable but I appreciate the cheap shot at my lady brain. Back on topic: You said you don’t think women’s own observation of what life is like for women who carry the burden of household work doesn’t come into play, and I went on to further explain why I think that’s a misguided belief. You are discounting it though. Housemaids and housewives have never been portrayed as having the same status. In fact, I’d say …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:37 PM
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Most women grew up with mothers that did the lion share of childbearing and housework though, and I can safety assume those mothers would have been SAHM if the family could have afforded it. I love and respect my dad but my observation of my moms life during the 3 month period where he pressure her to quit work and stay at home is my literal idea of hell on earth. He belittled her, hoarded money, and basically decided to do what he wanted. You can’t discount women’s lived experiences and decide …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:25 PM
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K
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:19 PM
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Who is we? Which group convinced women of that? Do you think women’s natural observations of the struggle their homemaker mothers and grandmothers endured had anything to do with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:18 PM
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I thought about this and idk if I have empathy for men specifically if I’m being honest. I do emphasize with people who entered adult world with a solid, and maybe naive, set of values and ethics, and got fucked over in love by seemingly selfish, self serving assholes. That’s a gender neutral experience that’s usually at the heart of ones bitterness for the opposite sex. The naive evangelical sweet as pie virgin 21 year old version of me genuinely empathizes with anyone who’s been heartbroken fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:12 PM
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I think that’s changing rapidly. Especially amongst younger college educated women. Achievement definitely matters to us and validates ya amongst one another, but I still brush up against older generations of women who are like “go to law school?! BUT WHAT ABOUT BABIESSSS”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:00 PM
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Men pick and choose when they decide women and men are different. Only in the midst of this argument is sex seen as something that adds value to a woman’s life lol. Any other conversation, and we become worthless any time we as much as glance at a dick. Look, male sexuality is not something of value. Men are indiscriminate in their desire which means it doesn’t really add anything to anyone’s life when a man is attracted to them. Women go crazy for being desired by a man they already have emotio…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 02:56 PM
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Hmmm nice observation. I’ll think about this more but I’m inclined to agree. I have a pretty tame sexual history but the people I’ve fucked casually definitely had to clear a way higher attractiveness bar than people I’ve taken seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 02:48 PM
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Right. Men just overestimate how much sexual attention means to women. Getting attention for what we look like is like breathing. It goes unnoticed UNTIL we don’t get attention from a man we want. Other than that, we don’t care and don’t value that attention and rarely internalize it as something that validates our worth. Women care about feeling pretty themselves, first and foremeost, their social circle thinking they are pretty, and lastly, men they are interested in thinking they are pretty. …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 02:46 PM
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Spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 02:41 PM
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Same! 😁
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 02:40 PM
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Ok...? And yet the vast majority of people will do this. You and most men will marry a woman who was not your top choice. Me and most women will marry men that were not our top choice. Such is life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 02:38 PM
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I literally read your post word for word but ok,
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 02:37 PM
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The batshit behavior reveals that they are intimidated...as an example my sisters ex would start a fight anytime they were in mixed company and people would show immense interest in her career (she’s a physician with a $400k salary). Yeah, that’s intimidation, and high earning women have been saying this is a thing for years...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 02:36 PM
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As a life long woman, I’ve never seen that behavior from women. The truth is, attraction for women IS more than physical, so you we can always lose attraction towards a guy based on his behavior, but that won’t make us say he’s “ugly”. Women don’t do that, men do that once rejected. Women just say “yeah he was gorgeous, but a huge douchrbag so I blocked him”. We recognize his objective physical looks but can still not be attracted to him anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 02:34 PM
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No pressure. Good luck with everything :)
/r/ExRedPill07/04/20 02:31 PM
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I’ve said this in this sub til I was blue in the face: most women are going to trend towards a preference for tall guys. But based on statistics alone, MOST women will settle in the height arena. It’s a lazy loser boy cope to believe 6’2 men have it all. Most women’s hard line in the sand is being shorter than their man. Most women with hard height requirements of 6’0+ are exceptionally tall themselves. The distribution of average height for women skews shorter than the distribution of average h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 04:02 AM
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You’re off topic, keep up: The point is, WOMEN KNOW that men in courting mode does not = men being respectful. That’s simply a performance to earn sex. So saying women don’t value men who respect them is bullshit, we just know that most of you aren’t actually acting out of respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:57 AM
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My preference is 6’1+, I regularly settle around the 5’10 range. My height (5’5) or shorter is a deal breaker. On a few occasions I’ve dated 5’7 & 5’8. With 5’7, his height was ultimately the hurdle to my solidly finding him attractive. FWIW, in my friend group, I am the strictest about my height preference. I have two gorgeous 6’ friends who both have and regularly do date at their height or shorter.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:51 AM
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While this is a common response to this narrative, it’s actually not a good one. We’re talking heterosexual couples here, right? Why on fucking earth would you want the exact same things in a woman that you possess? Core values? Sure. But I’m not seeing the logic in an expectation that I possess everything I want in a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:45 AM
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Exactly. It’s not actual respect so you men can’t really use that as a “gotcha” and say we don’t value respect. Women value respect, we just understand that the first date performance has NOTHING to do with you respecting us and everything to do with wanting to convince us to let you fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:41 AM
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Nope, human history and modern men prove every single day that they need women and that, to a large extent, their lives somewhat revolve around us. Givers of life and all that, what can ya do?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:14 AM
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Men don’t use the word intimidating. It just becomes obvious in how batshit they act when dating women who have more money/more status than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:11 AM
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Idk about other women, in strictly speaking for myself. But yeah, I hate it. Maybe it’s a bit of arrogance, as I would rate myself as objectively attractive / pretty NOT average lol. To be clear, this is specifically how I feel about men I’m attracted to calling me cute. From literally anyone else I will accept it as a good faith compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:08 AM
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Lol women don’t do this. We are perfectly capable of describing a man as a “supremely beautiful looking fuckboy”. I think men are the ones who do the “you’re ugly anyway!” thing once they get rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:02 AM
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MGTOW can’t quench the never ending need men have for women. Only asexuality and self sufficiency can do that :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 02:53 AM
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tips hat
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 02:52 AM
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From men, it’s my least favorite compliment. But only because cute is what you call something that’s neither pretty/beautiful nor ugly. Just seems like a “oh your face is on the positive side of average, you can stay”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 02:46 AM
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“Like a real alpha, I fuck tons of women that my dick can barely get hard for...” soooooooo attractive women evade you and you settle for fucking scores of ugly women because all of your validation comes from pussy? Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 09:25 PM
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I’m a woman but this has never happened to me. I’ve been pretty spot on about what “value” I originally attributed to a man...what was left to be discovered was whether he was relationship material or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 09:06 PM
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Exactly. You wanna sniff out the actual top dog in a group of men? It’s the guy who has bedded mostly attractive high value women, not the guy with the highest number (that is to say, the guy who never had to lower his physical standards for a lay > the run of the mill manslut). 12/10 times, the guy with the highest number has mostly slept with women he’d never be seen outside with.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 09:03 PM
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Nope. No one gains value by banging just anyone. Men with high n counts comprised of uglies and fatties are not seen as desirable by high value women. Sex with high value women is how men are seen as more desirable. Very few men that have high n counts can actually say MOST of their lays are high value. In reality, most male sluts have fucked only one unicorn supermodel type woman and the rest are usually not-so-attractive women. Men don’t gain value by being indiscriminate sluts, unless their l…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 08:59 PM
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Right. Most people are repulsed by promiscuity. Men don’t get points for being sluts. They get points for being “experienced” (very vague term) and they get excused for being sluts IF they are high status. Women are less judgemental about n counts but I watch women next slutty men all the time (if they are vetting for bf/husband material)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 08:52 PM
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Ugh I want this lie to die! Being a male slut does not make one more desirable. Most people are repulsed by promiscuity, the most high value men simply just get away with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 08:49 PM
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Sure, but none of them actually believe that. They don’t just use women for sex, they use women as therapists, maids, cooks, and so much more.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 08:33 PM
1

Of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 08:28 PM
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Whisper shout: because men know, deep down, that men can’t live without women. There’s no iteration of a man’s life where women aren’t in some way prioritized. Olympic gold medal mental somersaulting looks like this: TRP doubling down on the uselessness of the same group of people they encourage men to use as their ultimate metric of validation. The jokes write themselves. MOST people want to pair bond and have children, red pillers included. But unfortunately their stupid worldview leads them t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 07:50 PM
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The goal for whom? And what’s to be gained from this?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 07:12 PM
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I don’t disagree that it means the number is high. I asked the question because I think not being able to remember or recognize your past partners would be true of both promiscuous men and women. So I was surprised that he was surprised that she said she might not recognize some of them out of a line up
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 07:06 PM
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Dating is Important to me in theory, because I know I want to be married and start having children between the next 5 to 10 years (female, 26 yrs old). In reality, I don’t prioritize it much at all. Work, family, friends and self development is kind of my entire at the moment and I expect that to be the case for the next 2-5 years. I probably go on 1 or 2 dates a month though, but that’s with men I meet just living my day to day life. The options are there but I wouldn’t commit to anyone who I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 12:37 PM
1

What’s your n count?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 12:27 PM
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Nice. I respect all preferences but I’ll always shit on a hypocrite. I appreciate you holding yourself to the same standard as your future spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 07:52 AM
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if the incident(s) in question took place far enough in the past, and the most recent past indicates a lifestyle that is very different, I disagree that what someone was like in college is going to say a lot about them at age 30 UNLESS their current lifestyle is still adjacent to the one they were living in college in some way. Also, casual sex and cheating are two different things. Having a high n count from college isn’t going to tell you that a 30 yr old is likely to cheat on you. You’re bett…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 07:49 AM
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Because n count judgement is stupid except if we’re talking about actual extremes. It won’t tell you anything about a woman who is currently 30 yrs old but accumulated most of those partners during college UNLESS said woman still lives a somewhat similar lifestyle. Crazy frat bros turn into responsible and upstanding men circa age 30 all the time. The context surrounding how one gained their n count is worth 10,000 times more than blind judgement of the n count itself. Also, and I can’t stress t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 07:12 AM
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hehe
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 06:07 AM
1

But there are occasionally decent prompts on here that make for good discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 05:30 AM
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What’s an acceptable n count to you for a 20 something year old woman? What’s your n count?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 05:26 AM
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You can honestly pick out all your college hookups from a lineup? Or is it bad because she’s a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 05:25 AM
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You can never know. N count judgement is stupid. You’re better off judging people based on their current/recent behavior (now-2 years ago). Any woman with an n count she’s embarrassed by will lie BUT people grow out of their phases all the time. Plenty of college sluts become settled a few years after college. Pulling out receipts on a 29 year old from when she was 21 is kind of stupid if her current lifestyle looks nothing like it did at 21
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 05:23 AM
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I'm a 28 year-old male, and consider myself fairly average. An onus on self-improvement is about the only decent thing to be pulled from TRP. Embrace it! Not for pussy, but for yourself. Active and focused self improvement should be a huge pillar of every person's life. I'm mostly happy with my life and not really down on myself because I don't have the right jawline or whatever, but I've still been sexless for years and don't see that changing soon. I'm definitely not some alpha entrepreneur wh…
/r/ExRedPill05/04/20 04:50 AM
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Men date women they don’t really like ALL THE TIME just for consistent sex. What’s your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 01:09 PM
1

No one person is attracted to indifference. EGO is attracted to indifference because it contradicts what ego tends to tell people about themselves (that they are worthy of the best at all times!). Anyone who is honestly attracted to people who are mean to them has low self worth (avoid these people!). EVERYONE is attracted to confidence. Overinflated egos are attracted to indifference.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 01:07 PM
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A woman could not care about her n count but still be aware that other people might care. That’s just called self and social awareness. Either way I think it’s perfectly reasonable to lie about for reasons I won’t get into...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 01:03 PM
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So there’s no proof that if men actually tried to be attractive instead of whining, that women would still only like the top 20% of men? Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 01:02 PM
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Yes, the type of guy to judge a woman based on her n count is the type of guy to ask outright, or horribly sniff out the information in a “covert” way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 05:27 PM
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Women lying about their n count isn’t relevant here so not sure why you keep bringing it up. Women are going to continue to lie about it because they understand that someone people judge them for it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 05:26 PM
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Ding ding ding
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 05:13 PM
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What’s the proof that women’s attraction will always rise to the top 20% The truth is most men don’t try to be attractive in any significant way. This is such a cop out
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 05:09 PM
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That’s because TRP/anyone in the manosphere uses the word hypergamy incorrectly. Hypergamy and hypergamous nature is not a feverish search for the very very very BEST choice. It’s the search for a choice that’s characteristically above your station in life that simply provides a good life outcome for potential offspring
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 05:06 PM
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Hypergamy is strong in all communities, women will usually trend towards men who have more resources than them, regardless of class level
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 02:35 AM
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Plenty of them, throughout every stage of my life. A las, this is reddit, who knows what the truth is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 03:42 AM
2

Why are you assuming that indulging a kink SHE is interested in would hurt her?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 03:41 AM
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I’d say “complement” me and “inspire me to be a better version of myself”, but I have no expectation for my partner to single handedly upgrade me. I’m a woman, btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/20 12:07 AM
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I keep saying this but they aren’t listening: N COUNT IS EXTREMELY EASY TO CONCEAL. I’d argue there’s a huge class divide here as well: working class women are usually obvious about their sexual past, just in their appearance, the things they allow themselves to say, etc. Upper middle class, upper class (raised, specifically) has the “good girl” act down pat. Most women in these classes don’t really care to hide their past (so that’s really the only reason why these men find out) but the ones th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 11:56 PM
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No eventually they won’t. You guys meet the most low brow indiscreet women on planet earth and project that onto the entire population of human beings. The biggest sluts I know are hyper educate career women. Doctors, lawyers, specifically. Perfectly curated social media accounts (never anything scandalous), past partners are also super educated (so no degenerate randoms running around telling their business), etc. I could go on, but my point is a high n-count is amongst the easiest things for s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 11:50 PM
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Lol bullshit. The time a man is MOST likely to completely overlook a woman’s slutty past (besides just being a guy who doesn’t give a fuck, yes I’ve met plenty) is when the woman’s past is concealed and there’s a low probability this information is known within his peer group.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 11:46 PM
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You guys project this opinion onto all men and it’s weird. I’ve found the more educated the man, the more that it never came up ( I’m pulling from anecdotal evidence in my peer circle here). The reality is, most men have an ideal, but as long as their friends don’t know, they don’t care about a woman’s past. This is especially true of lawyers and doctors I’ve met (spouses of female lawyer and doctor friends).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 11:40 PM
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Most people only look like a semblance of what they are, though. I’ve said it many times but some of the biggest sluts I know are doctors and lawyers, and ALL of these women look and behave like cute innocent naive little nerds. Where men fuck up is viewing female sexuality as a moral issue, so you think every slut walks around with a scarlet letter on them. In reality, promiscuous women generally aren’t wearing this on their sleeve
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 11:37 PM
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Most people, women or otherwise, aren’t sluts lol it’s just that most people aren’t chaste/virgins either. And no the slutty looking virgin is not rare, that’s about half of western young girls RIGHT before they lose their virginity.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 11:33 PM
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Yes it absolutely does. No one, men or women, is impressed by a guy that has only fucked ugly fatties. No woman thinks of that as sexual competition lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 11:23 PM
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Yeah...but they should? Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 08:22 PM
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People can walk and chew gum at the same time, it’s not crazy to think you can/should improve both self and community
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 08:18 PM
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I already do. That’s not the issue though lol I said most women just aren’t betting against n-count lines
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 08:18 PM
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No, the standard is and always will be a few inches taller than the woman in question. Always has been. Most women will settle in height
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 08:16 PM
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Slut and sexually successful are not the same. A man who fucks anything is not desirable to desirable women. A man who can (and,at times, did) fuck lots of desirable women is a huge difference, and is the only type of promiscuous (HV) women tend to excuse. Show a HV women your harem of fatties and she’s lost interest before the end of the date lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 11:21 AM
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Lol way more likely: they are just going to marry a slut lol they swear there’s some fool proof way of knowing for sure and there isn’t! Any woman ashamed of her n count is just going to look them straight in the eye and lie her ass off, and they’ll be none the wiser.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 10:12 AM
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This title applies to almost anything people have a preference for or against lol I CAN NEXT ANY MAN FOR ANY REASON and won’t lose a lick of sleep. Also, grass is green.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 10:04 AM
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Nothing you said negates anything I said. A virgin will never fully explore her sexuality during a lifetime with one man. Regardless of what the average woman can’t do, what I said is still true. Also, sexual exploration need not dictate promiscuity btw...No sure what the hell else you’re rambling about... No we’re talking about this and all related topics because dating is a marketplace: all parties have their wants and demands. All parties have to bring something to the table and all parties s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 09:57 AM
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Well that’s a statistically rare n-count to come by for the vast majority of people anyway so it’s seems like this is neither here no there, but again, nope. But feel free to continue being a scientifically Illiterate buffoon until you die if you’d like.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 09:47 AM
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I can’t speak to assholes, this discussion is about vaginas lol. And I didn’t say so, science does. I promise, vaginas naturally come in a variety of tightness and aesthetics. Sex has nothing to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 09:41 AM
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The most useful and universally applicable advice found in TRP is 1) extremely generic once peeled back and 2) can (mostly) be utilized by any gender for success. But that’s true of most useful dating advice I will die on this hill.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 09:33 AM
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I don’t need to, because we aren’t discussing anecdotes we’re discussing biological fact: promiscuity has NO/ZERO/NOT EVEN A LICK of barring on the physical composition of a woman’s vagina, in a permanent fashion. Again, I know you guys salivate at the thought of a fool proof “is she a slut?” test, but sorry bud, it doesn’t exist. Nature didn’t give you a cheat code or giveaway for this one, n-count is always something that can be concealed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 09:29 AM
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Because the average man,almost no man in fact, has enough experience (or is even unselfish enough) to help a woman reach full sexual fulfillment, development and exploration. All he possesses (which is what men like you are really after) is the ability to development her to HIS liking, and those two things are distinct (the latter rarely results in the woman being sexually fulfilled, just the man). No, men can’t have everything they want and no they don’t, otherwise we wouldn’t even debate these…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 09:27 AM
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Well that’s objectively not true. But also, individuals are a part of a whole. No one wins when people think they and their actions are divorced from their community at large
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 09:17 AM
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Very late but I agree, no set of dating strategy is advantageous, in a macro sense, if it’s adversarial in nature. Thanks for pointing that out
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 09:16 AM
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That’s exactly what they mean: they don’t think women are allowed to have preferences beyond what is represented in the average man. Yet they are allowed to have an ideal of a tall skinny blond virgin who fucks like a porn star lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 09:14 AM
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LOL yes. Accurate? Nope, nothing is changing a pussy except another human’s head (being pushed outwards lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 09:10 AM
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people learn how to be sexual. And for most people, their sexual development will be capped if they only have one partner. Sorry, men can’t have something for nothing in this world; marrying virgins and 1 n count women usually means an unsatisfying sex life in marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 09:09 AM
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I agree it would be unwise, the reality is most mature adults aren’t asking this question directly, and women more so than men. So even finding out an n-count is usually a non starter...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 09:07 AM
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Which is true of both genders, but the data will always fall on deaf ears if it's only wielded against women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 06:51 AM
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studies have shown that in general, higher sex counts leads to higher divorce rates, higher infidelity rates, higher number of marriages, lower marital satisfaction, and lower overall happiness levels. No studies do not show this, and I wish you scientifically illiterate people would stop peddling half-read pseudoscience as fact. Correlation does not equal causation. No student has ever showed promiscuity to be the cause of high divorce rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 06:49 AM
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Is there anything about women that men won't act like they know more about than women? CHILDBIRTH IS THE ONLY THING THAT WILL CHANGE THE PHYSICAL COMPOSITION OF A VAGINA, that is a biological fact. Promiscuity has ZERO affect on how tight, loose, or roast beefy a pussy is. Lots of women are just born that way. I know you guys like to think you have all these tests and methods of figuring out if a girl is a whore but TOO bad, n-count is something women can easily and do easily lie to your face ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 06:44 AM
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Child birth is the only mechanical process that will alter the look or tightness of a vagina. Promiscuity wont even come close to that. You seem to be discussing women with naturally loose vaginas, which is very much a common thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 06:42 AM
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Nope. What flies over your head is that there is a distinction between "sexually successful" and "whore". Men's ideal is usually a woman tht other men desire, but men don't want sluts. Guess what? Same with women. I've never met a high value woman who wasn't turned off by a male slut. Regardless of gender, being seen as easy is gross. Think about it: women are only moved by players once we see the type of girls he plays with. No one is impressed by a guy who fucked 100 fatties. TLDR: Being a who…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 06:39 AM
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I've found the same to be true with men, with zero exceptions. Every man whore I've ever dealt with made a terrible partner. Men with "normal" (what you'd expect for a reasonably attractive non-deviant man of that age) or low" n-counts usually possess the characteristics needed to be decent partners. The only difference is that most women aren't using n-count to eliminate men from their dating pools, and that's not mens' fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 06:34 AM
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This madonna/whore dichotomy is precisely why married men have terrible sex lives, so many of you specifically look for the least sexual girl you can find to start a family with lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 06:31 AM
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The thing is standards and preferences aren't the same thing. There are literally not enough 6'2 men in the world for most women to have "tall" as a standard...which is why most women don't have "tall" as a standard, but rather, a preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 06:25 AM
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Not being my ideal physical type is not the same as my not thinking you're attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 06:18 AM
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Sometime's people change and sometime people use people. Neither of those negate the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 10:35 AM
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also, what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 10:34 AM
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Women climax almost all the time when having sex with other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 10:34 AM
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there's a bigger gap between that idea and RP thinking than I thought. Not just in understanding human nature Can you expand on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 05:15 PM
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Even stranger is that rp claims to have unlocked the secret to the female psyche, while science hasn't. Crazy, aint it??
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 05:14 PM
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Does she not enjoy the sex either though? The vast majority of heterosexual women are not regularly reaching climax with their sexual partners. So an educated guess would say she probably didn't cum. Heterosexual sex is not a balanced exchange between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 05:10 PM
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Are you conflating the "sex is no big deal" crowd with the "everyone should be free to make their own sexual decisions, void of judgement and scrutiny" crowd?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 05:05 PM
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One-night stands where one person pretends to want a relationship or tells a small lie about it or are cagey in order to sleep with someone is not "using" And ONS are not the entirely of what we're discussing. I think you know we're also discussing situations where active courting took place and the guy purposefully made the woman believe he wanted commitment. This happens to women way more often than us getting in our feelings over a ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 05:04 PM
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Lots of stuff. That's why they keep getting married and won't EVER stop. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 04:51 PM
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Men are more likely to be generally apathetic about marriage than women are. BUT most adults want marriage and kids, regardless of gender. It's not rare for a man to desire marriage, independent of a specific woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 04:46 PM
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You're right, my bad. I should have been more specific: romantic love being a basis for marriage is something relatively new, not romantic love itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 04:44 PM
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lol fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 04:42 PM
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Debatable. But more importantly, not even remotely close to the point of what I posted.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 03:17 AM
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Oh brother, this guy doesn't read...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 02:08 AM
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One time I had it out with a girl I was dating and she started profusely apologizing. Somehow it turned into me ordering her to kneel in front of me and pleasure herself and every time she got close, I'd knock her hand away with my foot while sitting in my chair. Once she was a pitiful mess, I carried her to the bed, held her down and fucked the shit out of her. Some of the best sex I've ever had. See, absolutely power corrupts absolutely. Precisely why one shouldn't have the dominant/submissive…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 01:05 AM
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Human interaction is only defined by a dominant/submissive paradigm when two fundamentally insecure people are interacting. It’s far more interesting to interact with people both conscious enough and secure enough to do so without the overlay of seeking advantage or surrendering it. Great observation! Really loved how you put this because I've felt this way about the dominant/submission paradigm my entire life, without having the words to articulate it it just right. Unfortunately, women (on agg…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 12:54 AM
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Well then throw my argument back up to OP if you feel like you're making harmless conversation. But OP is clearly trying to prove an argument that is nonsense, and your anecdote is literally a behavior that most women display all the time (thus, a nonsense way to lend any support to OPs argument)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 12:38 AM
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And yet, and an entire thread of people saying you're wrong. Huh.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 12:33 AM
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Also not sure why you posted this nonsense to support the premise of this ridiculous argument as if women aren't always complaining about being lonely/single lol. Remember, even in a pandemic, most of us can have sex as a result of one sent text message. In terms of loneliness/horniness, women aren't the ones suffering. We're just always vocal about literally anything going on in our lives, the sky is also blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 12:30 AM
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"Begging for money"? Or do you mean running a "coronavirus" version of the same trick they've been turning on men for ages? People are suffering because of this virus, sure. My point is that there's no evidence to suggest that women are overwhelmingly down and out and are clutching their feminist pearls looking towards the nearest man for help, which was the chief insinuation of this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 12:25 AM
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Performative masculinity is about social posturing more than anything in the west. Men are signaling something to someone (usually other men, but sometimes women) when they engage in performative masculinity, they are never actually trying to solve any pressing issue (Actual useful "displays of masculinity" are really just traits that literally anyone can have, like leadership, dominance, intelligence, etc.) The tribal Neo Masculinity brigade you find in the manosphere are cosplaying fantasies o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 12:14 AM
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Well humans differ from other animals in that we we have a capacity to expand our consciousness (thereby reducing our subconscious activity) and overwrite our innate programming with whatever we choose. Yes. To the extent that a man and woman desire to be introspective, objectively self observant, and objectively self critical enough to do this they can actually achieve a mutually loving relationship. Yes. But don't give people more credit than they deserve. Most people don't/will never do any i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 11:57 PM
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Not that this was the crux of your argument but children are one of the primary drivers to pair bonding for both men and women. I hate how children are spoken of as a relationship perk for women. Most adult humans, male or female, want children. Most men assume/expect/project a woman do be the primary caregiver of his future children. I think when we eliminate children from the discussion of what drives men, we're missing MOST of the story: most guys want kids and they absolutely expect a woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 11:39 PM
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Lol men and women aren't polar opposites and they are not wired as such. Also, hypergamy is not the opposite of polygamy...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 11:33 PM
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Lol, allow me to backtrack and simplify: stop being a dick lol everyone is on their own journey!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 04:54 PM
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"Cucks" are men. You can't arbitrarily eliminate men from the pool just because it turns your argument upside down: men generally don't care is a woman is a virgin or not. This is an objective truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 04:50 PM
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Only here to laugh at how you thought this "muhhh women are crashing hard without men" post was met with most people disagreeing that anything of the such has happened. Women are taking over healthcare, and are the majority of teachers. Women are pulling their weight during these trying times, but at least you tried.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 04:49 PM
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No matter how fringe it is How fringe it is also doesn't stop them from projecting those opinions on to all women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 04:43 PM
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Yep. Same here. my circle is located in a large midwestern city, all educated, a lot of advanced degrees, mostly attractive women, and it holds true for us as well - most men I know with masters degrees are dating women with masters degrees. Sister is a MD. and her and ALL of her classmates are paired with men who AT LEAST have masters degrees. For more anecdotes, look at the wives of educated rich guys. Most of these women were professional/educated themselves. We rely too much on actors and ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 04:38 PM
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TBH, the wall doesn't exist. It is a 100% MGTOW revenge fantasy. The "biological clock" trope already explained what happens to women post 20s; they don't drop in value, but they do become laser-focused (read: desperate) for marriage + baby. Women who don't want children, are unbeatable if they prioritize their health and beauty in their 20s. Same for women who don't want marriage. Childless attractive women are NEVER at a loss for potential suitors. Attractiveness and childlessness are the real…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 04:27 PM
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You and your brothers-in-virginity apparently needed a subreddit to feel good about yourselves, so lets try to be nice about people's personal journeys...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 04:21 PM
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Did you get a load of this goal post shifting? Now, all of a sudden, a man's education and earning potential is NOT part of his SMV lmfaooo
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 04:17 PM
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Absolutely not among well-educated middle-class professionals in major urban centres. This is also true of their female counterparts lol, which is why the wall is mostly conditional and doesn't tend to hit people who prioritized health in their mid to late 20s (both men and women). educated professionals lead in numbers of WHO is even getting married anymore, and for the most part, educated professional men marry their counterparts (both in age and socioeconomic background). These men aren't mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 04:15 PM
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Yep. It's a MGTOW fantasy. As someone who actually exists in 20-something-educated-semi-high-earning-attractive social circles, let me just say LMFAOO. High value 20 somethings want high value men their age. It's takes A LOT for a girl in this stage of life to commit to some 30 or 40 year old
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 04:12 PM
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Except that's an unfounded and bullshit argument. Newsflash: we actually prefer to like the people we date. I know zero women who have rejected a guy they actually liked because they thought they could do better physically. You throwing out an imperative that we should just pick "the least attractive attractive guy" is useless because 8/10 times we are picking him if we like him and we did not like him if that's the reason he was not picked.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 02:21 AM
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Absolutely wrong: Incels had no options. Cat lady's didn't want their options.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 02:06 AM
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For anyone that is reasonably attractive, this is true. All attractive women can be married. An attractive cat lady just didn't like her options or genuinely wanted to be single. I know how much you guys want it to be true, but just like it's true that sluts get wifed ALL THE TIME, so do older women who can at least pass as "cute".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 02:05 AM
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All of it is also pure projection of fear. Both men and women know that men can't live without women, but women could live without men, and many of us could do so and still have fulfilled lives. Men need us, if for nothing else but sex and companionship, and they despise that this is so (this is also why they blindly hate feminism, btw -- it's the vehicle by which most women started to become self-actualized outside of a man-centered identity). As such, It's in men's best interest, particularly …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 02:01 AM
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Yep, it's a red pill fantasy. The average 35 year old man is going to AT BEST bag a mid-tier 20 something year old woman. His best chances for a HV woman is closer to his age. High-value 20 somethings are not going significantly older than 4 to 5 years UNLESS the guy is established AND attractive. Which is the second part of this fantasy to debunk: six figure 9 to 5s are not enough to exempt 35+ year olds from ALSO being attractive and having a good personality. A High value 25 year old in a maj…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 01:36 AM
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careers in arts don't always pay a lot, but it's kind of common knowledge that artistic fields are almost exclusively accessible to children of privilege. Someone being a pianist or ballet dance definitely does send off signals that there's an abundance of money floating around, whether it's theres or their parents'. An RN is not a low status job, but that's neither here nor there.; But DO remember that a job that is widely known for requiring a college degree is a status symbol, in part because…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 01:00 AM
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This is why sexual prudence is important for both genders. Just like a woman who sleeps with a guy before commitment has to take her L, you gotta accept that you just earned another "fuckboy" badge within your social circle because you didn't keep your legs closed long enough to actually get to know the person you were fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 12:35 AM
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Should women use this insight you provided and purposely hold off on having sex to avoid the post nut clarity pump and dump? Oh but wait, then she’ll just get dumped for not putting out. Can’t win can we? Lol In summation, per usual, Red Pill theory collapses on itself
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 10:58 PM
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Money often times inform status. I'd say it does MOST of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 10:43 PM
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Ugly is a choice for most people. And by most I mean literally almost everyone. Most men are choosing to be ugly, too: You have a beer belly. Your haircut makes you look like a dweeb. Your clothes are terrible looking and ill-fitting. You smell weird (teenage guys is usually a BO thing, young adults/adult men it's usually a "I don't own any cologne like an infant so I just smell like whatever my apartment smelled like today" thing). Your skin looks gross, dry, and dehydrated - oh probably becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 10:36 PM
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