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Fair enough on the first sentence. I only asked because I thought you were implying that you have some experience and insight on the matter that most redditors don’t have access to. I agree with a lot of what you’re saying, especially the part about how Redpillers attract who they are. I just take issue with you saying stuff like “don’t listen to the women on here,” as it treats women on [r/exredpill](r/exredpill) as a monolith who don’t have their own independent thoughts. Yes, many if not most…
/r/ExRedPill25/07/26 11:43 PM
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A) You’ve met them in person? I mean, not to dismiss your experience or anything, but aren’t you committing the same fallacy Red pillers do? “I’ve dated a lot of women; I notice a pattern.” B) I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree here, as I see nothing especially abnormal about most of the top comments here. Advising someone to break up with a push-puller is perfectly reasonable to me, regardless of his intent. Even if he had no ill intentions and was just trying not to appear too desper…
/r/ExRedPill25/07/26 08:41 PM
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Fair, and I can understand in principle the annoyance with people jumping to conclusions about someone being an evil manipulator (OP’s case seems far from “innocent” to me, but I digress.) I just find it interesting how you are quick to defend the guy’s individuality (i.e. “not necessarily redpilled,” “what you mentioned tells us very little.”) yet insist on generalizing that women who comment here are inherently biased. Might want to reflect on that a bit.
/r/ExRedPill25/07/26 02:47 PM
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Telling OP to break up with a “textbook push-pulling” guy is sound advice. Is it not?
/r/ExRedPill24/07/26 06:10 PM
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>> Dont listen to the advice of the women in here. Bruh…
/r/ExRedPill24/07/26 02:08 AM
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Hey, welcome back! Glad you’re hanging in there; been thinking about you. Agree with you that it’s normal to feel this way at times. Keep up the good fight, brother! Feel free to DM me if you ever want to talk.
/r/ExRedPill26/05/26 05:53 AM
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As a short guy myself, here are some thoughts that have helped me: The average height for women in the U.S. is 5’4”. In many countries, it’s even shorter. Anecdotally, a significant proportion of women are between 5’0” and 5’3”. This is relevant, as many if not most women with a height preference just need the man to be taller than her. This puts any man 5’5” and up at an advantage. Many women of all heights don’t mind a short man, for a variety of reasons. For short women, it’s because most of …
/r/ExRedPill18/04/26 03:03 PM
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Last January, I once asked ChatGPT who they think will win the Super Bowl, and they picked a team who didn’t even make the playoffs lol. If AI can’t even keep up with easily verifiable facts, how much more risky are they in giving unhelpful or even harmful mental health advice?
/r/ExRedPill09/04/26 04:28 PM
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On a side note, isn’t the whole “Alpha fuck, beta bucks” narrative kind of an insult to the attractive men? It seems to insinuate that most/all attractive men are sex-obsessed douchbags who are always looking for the next woman to manipulate and “pump-and-dump.” It also seems to suggest that all men, regardless of attractiveness, have zero standards and would sleep with almost every women who’s willing, as they allege that there is an epidemic of male “10s” sleeping with a bunch of female “5s”ev…
/r/ExRedPill08/04/26 03:33 AM
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Hello. Thank you for your contributions to this sub. While your frustration with the direction of this post’s discussion is understandable, I cannot remove the comments in question as they are not irrelevant enough to be considered spam. If you wish to appeal this decision, please message the mods.
/r/ExRedPill07/04/26 12:44 PM
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I don’t believe that there’s any one, catch-all reason that someone joins the manosphere. Some joined because they have a serious entitlement problem that makes them resent or otherwise hate women. Others joined because they had an ex who cheated on them or abused them. Still others joined because they were shy their whole lives and never had the courage to really put themselves out there. It varies greatly. That being said, one of the most common “symptoms” of stubborn redpill thinking, in my e…
/r/ExRedPill02/04/26 08:26 PM
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Thanks for the informative reply. Did those 2005 PUA commonly call their concepts “taking the red pill”? The first Matrix film was only six years old at the time, so it would be interesting to know how quickly the phrase “red pill” became mainstream lingo to members of the manosphere.
/r/ExRedPill02/04/26 07:31 PM
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Wasn’t Rollo a popular figure among Redpillers since the early 2010s? His blog (of which his most infamous book series “The Rational Male” are compilations of) has existed since at least 2011, and that blog is quite misogynistic.
/r/ExRedPill02/04/26 05:07 PM
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And even if they don’t accuse you of lying or settling, they will say that you’re just an exception/outlier that doesn’t prove a norm. Somehow, it never occurs to them that there may be enough “exceptions” in this world for them to find, so the “norm” is not worth getting hung-up over.
/r/ExRedPill31/03/26 05:35 PM
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The manosphere exists because there are bunch of entitled men who swing from “I’m a nice guy, why won’t women sleep with me?” to “Women are monsters, so that gives me an excuse to be a monster myself.” It’s a bad response to an unjust world. We men need to be above that if we want to get closer to a more fair world.
/r/ExRedPill30/03/26 07:46 PM
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Sure, life is unfair and bad people often get rewarded. That’s not an excuse to be a raging sexist. You should treat people well because it’s good for you and the people around you, not because you think it will get you laid. Being an angry women-hater just because some women date bad boys and reject nice guys is spoiled children mentality.
/r/ExRedPill30/03/26 07:38 PM
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What you’re observing is merely a subset of a much broader, two-sided double standard: Traits conventionally perceived as “feminine” are often seen as unattractive in men to many straight women, and traits conventionally perceived as “masculine” are often seen as unattractive in women to many straight men. Most commonly cited examples are short men and tall women. The female equivalent of your struggle would be a very assertive woman. Yes, many men like that or at least don’t mind that, but a lo…
/r/ExRedPill30/03/26 04:30 PM
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Also, I question the assumption that women on average have more attractive options in casual dating than long-term dating. One would think that attractive men who have a lot of options in casual dating would also be selective. The idea that attractive men are going around pumping-and-dumping a bunch of “Plain Janes” (pardon the crude language) sounds more like projection than any reflection of the reality of the lives of attractive men.
/r/ExRedPill26/03/26 08:01 PM
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My bad. I jumped to conclusion and assumed that he is another one of those manosphere influencers. I’ll own that mistake. Even if he’s a great guy though (I have no idea if he is), his celebrity status unfortunately makes him especially vulnerable to shallow people. Regardless, he deserves better.
/r/ExRedPill24/03/26 05:43 PM
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A common redpill belief is that if you’re an “alpha male” then you’re less likely to be cheated on. Of course, a point they often ignore is that being a “confident” asshole (which, let’s be real, being an “alpha male” comes down to) is likely to get you the wrong kind of women.
/r/ExRedPill24/03/26 05:08 PM
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They exist, but they are exceedingly rare. In my several years of online dating, I’ve only seen like 1 in 1000 women mention “must be 6 ft” in their profile. Certainly not common enough to be a big deal. I suspect that this is where pillers will try to tell me that most women are secretly filtering for 6ft+ men. My response would be that it’s easy to believe anything you want if you let cynicism and confirmation bias get the best of you.
/r/ExRedPill23/03/26 04:05 PM
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I could talk about the effects of ragebait media, social media algothrithms, AI, and misrepresentations from the manosphere…but I feel like that’d be a bit of a cop-out, as I can imagine that there are at least 1 in 10,000 shallow women out there who fit that stereotype or close to it. Instead, I would suggest that a practical way to help these men is to give them a reason to feel empowered rather than depressed. Like, tell them that those kind of women are shallow and not worth their time, and …
/r/ExRedPill22/03/26 05:50 PM
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Thread locked, as defending the validity of evo-psych does not suit the purpose of this sub.
/r/ExRedPill20/03/26 03:53 PM
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While I agree that it doesn’t expose anything new to people who are already deeply familiar with the topic, I appreciate that it brought more attention to mainstream media what many ex-redpillers have been warning for years. For instance, most of those familiar with HS probably already knew that he’s a scammer and hypocrite. But Theroux’s communication skills and well-paced filming gave the general audience a good dose of “see, right from the horse’s mouth!” Most people outside our circles don’t…
/r/ExRedPill19/03/26 09:38 PM
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Appreciate this discussion! I just watched “Inside the Manosphere” by Louis Theroux. It was eye opening to me. One thing that stood out was that one of the influencers pretty much admitted that being a hypocrite gets him views and money, so that’s why he doesn’t live up to the moral standards he claims to have in his podcasts. So yes, I totally get the sentiment that ragebait media seems inevitable for our future. And maybe you’re right about the next 20 years. But humans are complex beings with…
/r/ExRedPill19/03/26 05:57 PM
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It’s the latter. They call it “being Alpha.”
/r/ExRedPill18/03/26 01:55 PM
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Definitely agree with you that counter propaganda is essential. Call me an optimist, but I have faith in the creativity of humanity. At some point, I think there will be some content creators and influencers with more charisma than me that will find a way to make healthier mindsets more viral. If history the last 100 years is any indication, change in societal expectations and gender roles happen every decade or so.
/r/ExRedPill18/03/26 12:30 PM
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Thank you! There are many things that made me question the redpill and eventually abandon it altogether. But in short, it was because I realized that it’s more about manipulating women and being a misogynistic prick than about having healthy boundaries. Redpill defenders try to sell it as a gateway to restore male agency (often in the context of dating, though not always), and while there are some truths to what they say, their messaging encourages a culture of unwarranted resentment and contemp…
/r/ExRedPill17/03/26 07:56 PM
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I see where you’re coming from with the messaging, and I do agree that there are some liberals and feminists who address the gender war in counterproductive ways. That being said, I’ve seen countless instances where liberals and feminists address male issues with genuine empathy, only for the frustrated men to repeat their tiresome, misogynistic complaints and throw the empathy back in their faces. The fact is, there are a lot of men who either don’t want help, are too far down a rabbit hole to …
/r/ExRedPill17/03/26 07:33 PM
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You make a very good point, and I don’t necessarily disagree with you. I’ve just seen the concept weaponized a lot of times by incels, pillers, right wingers, and even some left-wing male advocates. They not only act like it’s women’s job specifically to fix men’s issues, but also act like our dating choices are some kind of grave social injustice on the level of human rights violations. Even as a man, I find those talking points incredibly annoying. Can’t imagine how women feel about it all.
/r/ExRedPill17/03/26 05:48 PM
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Maybe, but it strikes me as rather fatalistic and irresponsible to suggest that it’s “just men’s nature.” Anthropology and social science have gotten more advanced now, and we are seeing more and more evidence that our patriarchal culture is more a result of learned behavior than anything inherent to our genes or whatever. The idea that we men are destined to become misogynists if our lives get hard enough and that we have no ability to be above that is a very harmful BP rhetoric, often used as …
/r/ExRedPill15/03/26 07:55 PM
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I just looked up Fuentes and Clav and just couldn’t believe how incredibly racist they are. Is this what the youngest Gen Z’s and pre-teen Gen Alpha boys are internalizing nowadays? Geez…Tomassi and the like are bad enough, but this is just next level!
/r/ExRedPill15/03/26 05:07 PM
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I know you deleted your account, but on the off chance you read this, let me tell you that I too have autism and can relate to your struggles. I have so much more to say than I have time to type on this busy weekday, but in summary, I found success in dating after a lot of practice in flirting, light teasing/bantering, and finding my own sense of humor. Feel free to DM me in an alt account if ever want to talk.
/r/ExRedPill05/03/26 04:50 AM
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Agree. It’s natural to acknowledge beauty or even fancy in your head for a bit, and as long as the thought doesn’t consume you or lead to unfaithful actions, it’s harmless and your partner doesn’t have to feel “settled” because of that.
/r/ExRedPill03/03/26 05:38 PM
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It's just under the cultural confines of monogamy, she had to pick one, she chose you. But she is human; she wants many partners, and many kinds of partners -- she is simpy denying herself those other partners. I think the reason you got downvoted is that some people misunderstood this as you suggesting that “all people want multiple partners and anyone who says they only want one partner are in denial about it.”
/r/ExRedPill03/03/26 05:08 PM
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If a woman you’re dating has slept with a man more attractive than you, it doesn’t necessarily mean she’s “settling.” It could just mean that she had different priorities back then. (The casual sex environment is going to prioritize looks for obvious reasons.) And it doesn’t necessarily mean she’s not physically and sexually attracted to you, either. It could just mean she finds you both attractive and a good long-term partner for her. It seems like you’re overestimating a woman’s ability to “up…
/r/ExRedPill03/03/26 07:31 AM
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It isn’t just about how much effort they put in on a given day, though. It’s also about the years and years of social pressure women have gone through since childhood to look as good as possible on a normal school/work day. I wouldn’t be surprised if the gender difference in that category is an order of magnitude. I don’t know if you have low standards or not, but I’d bet my next paycheck that the average young man underestimates the amount of effort the average women went through to look the wa…
/r/ExRedPill02/03/26 11:12 PM
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In my experience, the best deterrent to that feeling is to have faith in your ability to vet your prospective partner. Trust that you can tell if she is really physically attracted to you and not just settling. Yes, it won’t be easy, and maybe you won’t always get it right, but almost everything in life takes practice and dating is no exception.
/r/ExRedPill02/03/26 10:43 PM
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My take is that men on average seem to care less about presenting themselves on an average weekday. We tend to spend less time on things like fashion, grooming, hair styling, skin care, fragrance, cosmetics, photography, etc. And while there’s nothing inherently wrong with that, it limits our experience in these areas, making us have a less thorough understanding of what does and does not look good on us. This makes us less likely to be attractive in casual social settings, and even less so on t…
/r/ExRedPill02/03/26 10:32 PM
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I’ve never been an incel, but I was a virgin for most of my life. One thing that kept me out of the incel pipeline was reminding myself that women don’t have it easy either. I can only imagine what it’s like being compared to other women since your pre-teen years or so, and being told that your “value” is based primarily on your looks. Not sure how I would have handled the pressure.
/r/ExRedPill26/02/26 04:57 PM
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Hey, welcome! What made you realize that the redpill is something to detox from, and what ideas do you think aren’t being addressed here?
/r/ExRedPill20/02/26 10:04 PM
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Agree with this take.
/r/ExRedPill20/02/26 09:26 PM
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I do remember reading some PUA/redpill book in pdf form back then, when I was still "extreme redpill", I assume they were from him. Now, not really, but again I am not actively red pill. But since he probably also supports the same principles which I think exist, then yes indirectly. You could have just said “I don’t know much about him, so can’t say.” 😆 Teasing aside, Tomassi has some very toxic views of women (made a post about it), so if you are exredpill as you claim, you don’t want to assoc…
/r/ExRedPill20/02/26 04:10 PM
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Okay, good!
/r/ExRedPill20/02/26 03:32 PM
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By Alpha persona, I mean using concepts like “women like confidence” as an excuse to be an asshole.
/r/ExRedPill20/02/26 03:28 AM
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Do you still look up to guys like Rollo Tomassi? Do you hold any kind of resentment or contempt for women as a gender? Do you support emotionally manipulative practices like negging, push-pull, or putting on an “alpha male” persona (even in a “fake it ‘til you make it” sense), whether through moral apathy or straight up endorsement? If you said yes to any of that, then you still have a problematic redpill mindset that needs addressing.
/r/ExRedPill19/02/26 06:40 PM
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what is sometimes difficult to have a conversation about is that, all other things equal, there tends to be a general preference among women for "dating up" in certain ways that exists less among men. I mean, considering the amount of men who mistreat highly-educated and high-earning women just for existing, can you really blame those women for adapting their preferences to avoid those kind of interactions? Redpill is toxic because it ignores that nuance and oversimplifies hypergamy in an attemp…
/r/ExRedPill19/02/26 12:57 PM
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Hey, fellow short guy here! I don’t know if I have any advice for you that you haven’t heard already. Just want to send you virtual hugs because I can relate and I know that it’s tough out there. I found love after years of struggling, but I know that we all have different experiences. Hope you find who you’re looking for someday!
/r/ExRedPill16/02/26 05:52 PM
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That’s the spirit! :)
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 09:40 PM
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Yeah, and as a short guy myself, I get it that it sucks. Take it as a reminder that shallow women exist and we don’t have to put women on a pedestal. The Redpill is wrong because it takes that premise and swings it to the opposite extreme.
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 09:36 PM
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Reset the algorithm and select “Not interested” every time a video like that pops up. Chances are, that video is rage bait to get you mad at women. There have been channels that got exposed as men pretending to be women and/or making AI videos of women.
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 09:19 PM
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Which website or app was this on?
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 09:12 PM
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And “exceptions” among 3-4 billion women could mean hundreds of millions of women. For a group that claims to embrace the Abundance Mindset, they sure seem to have an unhealthy obsession with trends and averages.
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 04:29 PM
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Anti-red pill channels can certainly help, but they won’t necessarily give you the reassurance you’re seeking. I’ve been where you are (only for a different topic than redpill.) Read books, followed channels, watched debates, browsed in various forums, weighed the strength and weaknesses of arguments from both sides, and googled questions on the topic a zillion times. At some point, it became clear to me that I’ll never have all the answers to everything, even if I study 12 hours a day for the r…
/r/ExRedPill11/02/26 11:03 PM
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No, never heard of him. Why?
/r/ExRedPill11/02/26 10:03 PM
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Exactly. And if they think it’s so irredeemably bad for women, then they are contributing to the very problem they’re complaining about by doing the same thing. I’m very glad that you are growing out of the mindset that redpill got you into. Proud of you!
/r/ExRedPill11/02/26 02:33 PM
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If it’s as important as they say, then they are hypocrites for glorifying men with high “body count.”
/r/ExRedPill10/02/26 11:54 PM
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They say that because a woman with self-respect and financial independence no longer has to settle for a narcissistic, controlling husband who would use his financial advantage against her. They frame it as some kind of persecution of men when it’s really just a rationale for their hurt ego.
/r/ExRedPill10/02/26 11:12 PM
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I think the problem is that a lot of redpillers and other manosphere types claim they want their concerns and/or grievances addressed with compassion, when what they really want is for others to agree with their misogynistic worldview. Everyone’s personal experience is valid, but not everyone’s takeaway from said experience is equally valid.
/r/ExRedPill10/02/26 07:32 PM
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Yes. I’m all three and I’m married to a loving and caring wife who makes me feel loved every day. Anecdotal of course, but enough to answer your question.
/r/ExRedPill05/02/26 07:03 PM
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“Men Who Hate Women” by Laura Bates might be useful for you. It gives an overview of common manosphere circles, lingo, and figures.
/r/ExRedPill05/02/26 01:39 AM
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Hey, fellow man with Aspergers here! I get the sentiment. Was super shy throughout my school years and never had a date until 28. I think what helped me out of resentment was understanding that it’s nobody’s fault that things are where they are now. Many women were raised since childhood to be the one to “wait to be asked,” so that’s not a dynamic that’s going to change overnight, even if we get a high-profile counter-culture movement on that today. Things are slowly improving though, and more w…
/r/ExRedPill30/01/26 11:10 PM
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I understand, and I get that it’s tough out there. Hope you find someone who likes you for who you are and appreciates that about you.
/r/ExRedPill30/01/26 08:24 PM
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I don’t know what AI’s are telling you is right about red pill, but this isn’t the 50s anymore where many women had to “marry up” in order to make a decent living. Men’s and women’s income are more or less equal nowadays, and women know this. Egalitarian relationships are much more common now. The only problem is that not every women are on the same page when it comes to that, so you’re going to hear different preferences when asking around. My point being? There are women who care less about in…
/r/ExRedPill30/01/26 07:53 PM
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ChatGPT is very unreliable. It’s definitely not something you should base major life choices on.
/r/ExRedPill30/01/26 06:10 PM
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It’s a thing, but Redpillers and incels exaggerate its prevalence and importance. If you don’t like women who are into that, then just don’t date them. Plenty of women don’t mind if you have lower income/wealth than hers.
/r/ExRedPill30/01/26 05:37 PM
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Yeah, that’s pretty much the gist of it. They may or may not outright say it, but they basically want to reverse all the progress second-wave feminism made.
/r/ExRedPill17/01/26 05:57 AM
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Then you’re in the wrong sub. Take your Redpill views and anti-feminism somewhere else.
/r/ExRedPill30/12/25 05:00 PM
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I realize that we can’t change our worldview overnight, but I want you to know that you’ve internalized some toxic redpill talking points. There are online spaces that can help you detoxify from that. I can point you to one that helped me if you’re interested.
/r/ExRedPill30/12/25 04:56 PM
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No, that’s a misunderstanding of feminism. Feminists do not put women on a pedestal, as Redpillers so often claim. In fact, they often criticize many women for saying toxic things. See “internalized misogyny.”
/r/ExRedPill30/12/25 04:45 PM
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I’m glad you’ve realized that not all women are like your narcissistic mother. That’s a great start! I hope it helps you develop a more positive view of women. Feel free to comment here if there are any related questions you’d like to address.
/r/ExRedPill30/12/25 04:38 PM
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The moral of the story is that you shouldn’t let the woman who mistreated you dictate your treatment of all women. Because if you do, it’ll just make you an awful person, and no self-respecting woman would put up with that for long.
/r/ExRedPill27/11/25 05:25 AM
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So how would you suggest I word my wordings then if my word choice is the only difference between you guys understanding versus seeing it as adversarial You can start by not making two whole posts in here that are adversarial in tone. Both of its titles just reek of “See, women? Look what you made men do!” energy. (Unless the intent of the wording is rage-bait, in which case…) Also, I didn’t say that it’s just your word choices. More on that later. i'm not a nice guy and i'm definitely not a cen…
/r/ExRedPill27/11/25 12:14 AM
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Appreciate this post! Hope more of us see this and be encouraged to keep growing as a person.
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 09:15 PM
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No, it’s that way because you’ve been giving off r/niceguys, r/enlightenedcentrism, and r/iamverysmart vibes throughout your entire time here. I’ve seen people here with points similar to yours get much more positive responses. Why? Because they exhibited none of those traits, were more careful with their wording, acknowledged more nuance, and were far more respectful and receptive to the people who replied to them.
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 06:17 PM
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You can use anti-redpill channels like “Behind the Bastards.” They often quote the Redpillers or play clips of them.
/r/ExRedPill25/11/25 07:52 PM
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And I get it, man. You wish more women would approach men they are interested in, rather than waiting. You wish more women would stop shaming virgin men. You wish more women would stop having sexists expectations on men. But the way you’re framing the topic is counterproductive and only amplifies the problem you seem to be complaining about.
/r/ExRedPill25/11/25 05:31 PM
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Made a post about it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/exredpill/s/mBigTLOvUi But in summary, I think he’s just another sexist who wants women to be “put in their place, like the good ol’ days.” He, along with other Redpillers, are not as clever as they think they are. Their dog-whistles are clear for the world to see.
/r/ExRedPill23/11/25 07:09 PM
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A lot of your concerns are valid, and I totally get where you’re coming from. That being said, I think the reason you’re not getting the validation you’re seeking here is because of your tone. You seem to be insinuating that just because crappy women who reinforce sexist standards exist that that means women as a whole are collectively to blame for the existence of redpillers and incels. Even if that’s not your intention, it sure comes across that way.
/r/ExRedPill21/11/25 06:53 PM
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There’s a difference between open communication and being a jerk. Slut-shaming, especially in public, is simply rude and impolite. I don’t know why that’s so hard to understand.
/r/ExRedPill30/10/25 07:57 PM
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They are free not to be interested. They just need to read the room. Not all preferences need to be said publicly.
/r/ExRedPill30/10/25 01:10 PM
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So sorry that happened to you. I hate it when redpillers assume that when a woman had a relationship that turned disastrous that it can only be because she dated/married a “chad” who’s out of her league. The reality is that people’s personalities are more random than that, and that just because some “average” dude seems like a nice guy who would treat his partner well doesn’t mean he will.
/r/ExRedPill28/10/25 06:42 PM
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Well said. This is the kind of redpill “woe is me” attitude I will never understand. It’s natural to feel envious at times, but to take it out on women as if they owed them something just reeks of spoiled children energy.
/r/ExRedPill28/10/25 01:48 AM
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These guys aren’t exactly the most rational types. They have a serious victim mentality, so they look for any excuse to blame women for their problems. It doesn’t matter how much money you make if you have a tendency to think the world is out to get you.
/r/ExRedPill06/10/25 06:06 PM
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The claim is that “1 in 3 men age 18-30 have not had sex in the past year.” Even if that’s true, it doesn’t in itself tell us anything meaningful, let alone anything redpill/blackpill related. People can be abstinent for one year for a variety of reasons. Prioritizing education/career more than dating, for instance.
/r/ExRedPill03/10/25 07:12 PM
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Every great lie comes from some grain of truth. Red pill exists for two reasons. One, because there are women out there who fuel their worldview, and two because there are bitter men who just want an excuse to blame women for their problems so they exaggerate the prevalence of women like that.
/r/ExRedPill03/10/25 06:03 PM
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I understand that not looking desperate is important. An evo-psych explanation for on why would be that it makes you look like you're higher in status than you actually are. A more pragmatic reason is that women don’t feel safe around a man who would sleep with just any woman. Oh sure, he can claim that he is a nice guy who would never cheat, but how can she trust that he’ll honor that if some “hotter” girl comes along? But even if men ask themselves if a girl is right for them, in the end it's …
/r/ExRedPill03/10/25 04:49 AM
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No worries! I can see how my comment would be confusing to you, so let me be clear. I am in no way denying that men are “competing” with each other on a macro level. My point is that on an individual level, it is not something you have to worry too much about. Focus less on “what can I do to get this girl?” and more on “would this girl be right for me?” This not only saves you time, but also puts less pressure on yourself. In addition, you are less likely to appear desperate to women, which is a…
/r/ExRedPill22/09/25 06:24 PM
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you think scientists making generalizations about human behavior problematic? Personally, I think they are, as they just lead to unnecessary stereotyping and gender wars. But my feelings aside, there is a healthy way to approach these kinds of things. The trick is to not care about “generalizations,” or at least not let it affect your attitude and behavior. For instance, I am a bit short, and I’m well aware that many if not most women care about height. But what did I do about it? I told myself,…
/r/ExRedPill19/09/25 08:15 PM
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Even if it's just a hybrid, I worry that the tournament parts would still create pain. The key is to not look at it like a tournament. You aren’t competing with other men for women. You’re looking for a woman you’d be compatible with. If you want a healthy relationship, at least. If this is true I wonder if it means that many women settle for men they aren't really into since high status men are a minority. Some settle, but many more are simply attracted to their man. They don’t need someone who…
/r/ExRedPill19/09/25 07:42 PM
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I was open to it even though she already had 3 kids. But instead of appreciation, I was laughed at. People generally don’t like being “settled for.” That may or may not be your intention, but when a woman gets the sense that you think low of her and think that would make her desperate, she finds that a huge turn-off. Not saying that her laughing at you was justified, but I wouldn’t be shocked if that’s the vibe she got from the way you presented yourself.
/r/ExRedPill09/09/25 01:53 AM
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Have you talked to a therapist or trusted friend about it?
/r/ExRedPill02/09/25 06:59 PM
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Do you still hate women?
/r/ExRedPill02/09/25 05:13 PM
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If you don’t mind me playing devil’s advocate for a bit, Travis Kelce kind of fits the incel’s stereotype of a “Chad.” He is tall, very athletic, and makes a lot of money. Yes, he is not nearly as wealthy as Swift, but he is still more or less in her socioeconomic class. That being said, all the redpillers and incel’s obsession with hypergamy and the “6-6-6 rule” is very unhealthy and counter-productive. Many if not most women do not consider it a deal-breaker if you’re not a “6-6-6 guy,” even i…
/r/ExRedPill28/08/25 05:55 PM
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It also serves as a convenient revenge fantasy to some incels (the bitter types, I mean.) Unfortunately for them, it’s just that, for women who are attractive in their 20s generally don’t become undesirable in their 30s.
/r/ExRedPill26/08/25 09:25 PM
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Let’s be real, it’s more about bragging rights than longevity to those creeps.
/r/ExRedPill26/08/25 09:19 PM
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Well, based on your other comments here, it seems that you are blaming your hatred of women primarily on your past porn use, and that’s part of the problem. If you really can’t talk to women without feeling disappointment just for not getting sex, then that’s not the fault of porn…that’s either your inability to separate fact from fiction, or your refusal to take responsibility for your own unrealistic expectations. Others have given you sound advice on proper coping mechanisms, so that you don’…
/r/ExRedPill25/08/25 04:26 PM
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It’s good that you are honest with yourself and have a lot of self-awareness. That’s a great start! The next step is to learn how to have realistic expectations in your interactions with women. I’m not one to throw around the “get therapy” advice, but I recommend getting one to help you with this, unless you already have a friend you trust to be vulnerable with.
/r/ExRedPill25/08/25 12:48 AM
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Can you give me an example of where you felt used for your attention?
/r/ExRedPill23/08/25 11:32 PM
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Great! 👍 So why do you hate women? Do you believe some of the stuff red-pill taught you about women? If so, which ones specifically?
/r/ExRedPill23/08/25 08:31 PM
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What have you done so far to address this? Have you stopped consuming red pill content? Have you found a way to moderate your porn use?
/r/ExRedPill23/08/25 07:09 PM
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Pardon the late reply, but I totally agree. Human behavior started making a lot more sense to me once I understood projection. It’s very disheartening how many if not most of these people were raised in abusive households. Add in judgmental friends and a bunch of bullies at school and you can see how one would be resentful.
/r/ExRedPill18/08/25 08:18 PM
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And nor did I accuse you. It’s just something we commonly hear from red-pillers and black-pillers who butt in here and comment.
/r/ExRedPill17/08/25 02:14 AM
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I think a lot of it can be explained by the fact that men are socially expected to be the one approaching women. It takes a bit of courage to approach, and it takes a decent amount of social skills to do it effectively. Men who struggle in one or both departments may have difficulty getting a date until they overcome them. After all, there’s no date if no one initiates.
/r/ExRedPill17/08/25 12:34 AM
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If you’d rather have bad sex than no sex, then that’s your preference. Just don’t go around saying that women should feel the same or that they are a “privileged bunch” just for “having it easier.”
/r/ExRedPill17/08/25 12:21 AM
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Here is one possible scenario of what I’m describing: Husband: “Our bedroom may be dead, and we may never go on dates … but hey! I can make her to do almost all the daily chores and childcare while I whack off to porn in secrecy and watch football with my friends.” Wife: “My husband may be forcing me to do 75% of the housework and 90% of the childcare, isolating me from all my friends because he’s so insecure he’s trying to control me, and doing everything he possibly can that makes me NOT have …
/r/ExRedPill14/08/25 11:00 PM
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Because it takes two to find a balance, and many guys don’t cooperate.
/r/ExRedPill14/08/25 10:08 PM
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A lot of guys stay in bad marriages because it benefits them. Women often carry the majority of the domestic labor even if they are working full time.
/r/ExRedPill14/08/25 09:49 PM
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True. Red pill wouldn’t have gained any traction if there aren’t any people and subcultures that reinforce its worldview. Though to be honest, I think a lot of the alleged virgin shaming nowadays is in response to the loud, entitled virgins who give off “women owe me their attention” vibes. People don’t usually ask about other people’s sex lives unprovoked.
/r/ExRedPill13/08/25 04:56 PM
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Yeah, the idea that your value as a man depends on your ability to get sex is so destructive and dehumanizing. I’m SO glad I wasn’t exposed to the red pill in my teen years! It probably would have made me incredibly insecure and focus on the wrong things, rather than spend time on my own interests and explore myself.
/r/ExRedPill11/08/25 03:50 PM
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At some point, it became super obvious that it’s about manipulating vulnerable women to your advantage, not forming a healthy relationship with a partner. That goes against both my religion and my personal values.
/r/ExRedPill06/08/25 01:29 PM
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It’s more like we’re not particularly interested in giving credit to an inherently misogynistic and toxic worldview, even though it gets at least a few things “right.” The five good advices you listed are good, but none of them are unique to redpill.
/r/ExRedPill31/07/25 02:45 PM
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As a guy with autism who has a similar background, I really appreciate you doing this! People like us very often struggle in the social skills department, so that makes us easy targets for PUA and other toxic subcultures. Hopefully, your community will help reverse the trend!
/r/ExRedPill30/07/25 05:37 PM
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The “if you hate Asians…” part was in reference to the guy, not you.
/r/ExRedPill29/07/25 06:12 PM
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I’m sure that you will find anecdotes of misuse if you look for it. If redpillers want to claim that it does more harm than good, though, then the burden of proof is on them to establish it.
/r/ExRedPill28/07/25 07:31 PM
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Can you link me to one of those studies? Barring some extraordinary evidence like 90%+ of women of all races are only attracted to white men, your second sentence does not follow from the first. It also ignores the other side of the equation, such as that women who are fetishized for their race often get mistreated by the men who fetishize them.
/r/ExRedPill28/07/25 05:58 PM
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Racial fetishism/discrimination in dating is a thing, but it harms women just as much as it harms men. Incels framing it as a one-sided problem is what people take issue with.
/r/ExRedPill28/07/25 05:20 PM
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Most of the people here have made some great points, but I would like to address OP’s acecdotal experience directly. In general, men are socially expected to be the one approaching women and asking them out, while women are socially expected to wait to be asked out. For the Average Joe, this means that he has to actively look for dates and have at least a decent amount of social skills. This can be a serious hurdle for many men for a variety of reasons. Such reasons may include shyness, introver…
/r/ExRedPill23/07/25 04:04 AM
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Goes to show that the saying “like attracts like” cannot be overstated.
/r/ExRedPill18/07/25 03:08 AM
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When you debate with him, does he give you the impression that he is open to changing his mind?
/r/ExRedPill27/06/25 01:41 AM
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I believe it. And I’d bet there’d be more like you if more of my type would drop the doomers mentality.
/r/ExRedPill26/06/25 05:31 PM
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This is true. Based on census data, about 90% of women are 5’7” or under. That pretty much matches my anecdotal experience on dating apps. Blackpillers try to tell us that we are screwed if we are under 6’ or something, when that’s far from the truth.
/r/ExRedPill23/06/25 03:58 PM
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I’m on the shorter side too, so I totally get where you’re coming from. For me, the trick was to focus my energy on things I can control, such as fitness, fashion, hair style, skin care, social skills, and humor. Height is just one of many things women pay attention to, and while it may suck that we don’t have the advantage that a 6’4” man might have, we can still be attractive in many other ways. In other words, embrace a positive attitude. Keep giving women the benefit of the doubt. And if som…
/r/ExRedPill23/06/25 02:30 AM
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I wish it were available on Audible. Based on page length and Amazon review, it seems like something I would enjoy listening to.
/r/ExRedPill22/06/25 12:27 AM
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Thanks for sharing, and congrats for your 3+ years! How did he approach the asking out part, on the way out? Because I think that this is where a lot of guys get anxious and worried about sounding weird and awkward.
/r/ExRedPill15/06/25 03:22 PM
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Right on. If someone really likes you, they’ll make it obvious. I learned that the hard way…many times over.
/r/ExRedPill14/06/25 11:31 PM
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That study does not control for important factors, such as level of devotion to a conservative religion (church attendance is not necessarily a great indicator) and overall values/attitudes about marriage/divorce from both involved.
/r/ExRedPill14/06/25 02:27 PM
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Because absent a history of cheating, it doesn’t in itself tell us anything conclusive and important about a woman’s loyalty and current character.
/r/ExRedPill13/06/25 04:47 PM
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And if it was really interested in helping men, it would encourage them not to obsess over stupid things like hypergamy and body count.
/r/ExRedPill13/06/25 04:25 PM
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Embrace a “I’m looking for someone compatible” mindset, rather than a “I’d take any pretty woman who’d take me” mindset. That way, you feel more secure in yourself and far less intimidated when a woman looks like they’re “out of your league.” FWIW, I live in a very expensive area, and out of all the women I dated, I only personally encountered one gold digger. I don’t know if it’s just luck or I drove an old car, but it’s possible that I filtered out a number of gold diggers that way.
/r/ExRedPill11/06/25 05:47 PM
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I once saw a post in the red pill women sub, where it asked if they would date red pill men. The majority said no…that’s for a reason! 😆
/r/ExRedPill10/06/25 03:30 PM
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While I can’t say that I was fully indoctrinated by the red-pill, I was certainly tempted to buy into some of its talking points. I struggled with dating and wanted to know how to be more attractive, so I looked up dating advice from both men and women. Little did I know that some of the dating advice given by some men were manipulative BS and toxic mindsets. Eventually, I saw right through the crap and decided to be my true self; it worked really well for me.
/r/ExRedPill10/06/25 02:13 PM
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I remember when my dad had me rate men’s and women’s attractiveness with him, when I was little. He rated almost all men as below average lol. I thought he was being hard on the men, but that’s besides the point. It’s possible that men just look “less attractive” on average due to social factors, like less experience in photography, fashion, and cosmetics.
/r/ExRedPill05/06/25 05:12 PM
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That’s why I usually phrase it as “Be the best version of yourself,” though it doesn’t sound as nice lol.
/r/ExRedPill05/06/25 01:22 AM
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Yeah, that comment alone gives “I’d leave her for a prettier woman” vibes.
/r/ExRedPill04/06/25 08:06 PM
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I mean, has he not hurt you mentally by the derogatory comments he made? Not saying you should break up now (only you can decide whether trying to fix him is worth the time and effort), but don’t let the positive qualities he has minimize the impact of his words.
/r/ExRedPill04/06/25 08:05 PM
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Someone who makes crass jokes about women’s right to vote probably hates women more than you think.
/r/ExRedPill04/06/25 04:44 PM
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You said it better than I ever could. Appreciate your contributions in this sub.
/r/ExRedPill02/06/25 03:05 AM
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Men are biologically hardwired to desire female companionship. In other words, it's natural for them to be horny. Not sure what exactly your point is... Point is that there are a bunch of men who lack basic social skills: Perpetually online and complaining about being alone, rather than putting themselves out there; going on women’s DM’s on IG and being total creeps; sending inappropriate messages on dating apps and elsewhere; approaching women at inappropriate times and places; refusing to take…
/r/ExRedPill02/06/25 01:55 AM
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I’m of the position that even if the 80/20 rule is true, it’d still be an unhealthy thing to be upset about. Women don’t owe us sex or a relationship, so to act like a whiny child because they have high standards just reeks of entitlement.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/25 08:42 PM
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Why are you so mean? I see nothing in u/Sailor_Gloriana ‘s comment that would elicit such a response. Besides, even if she’s all of those, so what? Women don’t owe men sex and marriage.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/25 08:22 PM
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I think there’s a lot more nuance to this than you’re letting on, but yes, the amount of men being desperate and horny online is very likely one factor lol.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/25 08:02 PM
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Married man with autism, here. I could give OP some tips, but based on his comments here, I think women would be better off without him, anyway.
/r/ExRedPill29/05/25 08:02 PM
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Good point! That would explain why some (like Myron Gaines) claim that polyamory should be allowed for men but not for women.
/r/ExRedPill28/05/25 09:59 PM
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Define “settling,” then.
/r/ExRedPill27/05/25 04:12 PM
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Which is highly flawed, because two things can be true at once: Not making a trophy boyfriend your top priority AND being sexually attracted to your SO.
/r/ExRedPill27/05/25 04:11 PM
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Thanks for the analysis! Very informative and insightful. Question, though: What’s the reason for the gap in the mid-2010s? Could it be explained by the rise of popularity of dating apps?
/r/ExRedPill27/05/25 04:00 PM
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Back when I was lonely and desperate, I was tempted to buy into the 80/20 rule. However, I didn’t for the following reasons: It doesn’t explain the fact that most of my male college friends got married or in a long-lasting relationship, many of whom are not even close to what I would consider a “top 20%” in looks. Am I supposed to believe that all those beautiful women they are with are just settling for money? Quite a stretch, if you ask me. It just seems like copium for those who don’t have th…
/r/ExRedPill26/05/25 02:43 PM
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I second all the comments here congratulating you. It takes a great amount of self-awareness and bravery to notice and acknowledge that you’ve been lied to. You’d be surprised how many come here asking for help, only to double-down on their redpill mindset. Hope things work out between you and your wife!
/r/ExRedPill22/05/25 08:38 PM
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Except that the RP is NOT a consistent way of life. It is just a bunch of philosophical copium, invented by bitter men who want any excuse to blame women for their problems. That is why we see followers wanting women to be stay-at-home mothers, while on the same breath calling women gold diggers. That is why we see followers obsessed about youth and virginity, while on same breath complain about women having equally superficial preferences. That is why we see followers complain about male loneli…
/r/ExRedPill22/05/25 06:29 AM
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One of my biggest problems with PUA is that many if not most of its coaches encourage jerkish behavior, like negging, push-and-pull, and purposely ignoring texts to give the appearance of “having options.” I am an affectionate man who loves being close, so I quickly learned that PUA is not for me and that I wouldn’t want a relationship with the kind of women they would attract. When I started just being myself, I got more happy and eventually found my now wife who matches my energy. I don’t know…
/r/ExRedPill21/05/25 05:59 PM
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You don’t have to play a traditional role if you don’t want to. Don’t want to be committed for life? Then don’t get married. Don’t want a “protector and provider” role? Then look for a woman who’s not expecting that. One of the most annoying things about many redpillers/blackpillers is that instead of following this simple, practical advice, they just whine and complain that women are picky, shallow gold-diggers, and/or that feminism has ruined everything. Additionally, if their priority in life…
/r/ExRedPill21/05/25 05:27 PM
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Well said! One of redpillers biggest problems, IMO, is that they idolize sex, and especially casual sex. They would be much happier if they stopped with that mindset, as they would then stop being bitter about women on Tinder going on hookups or something.
/r/ExRedPill20/05/25 02:26 PM
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I think it’s also that they confuse pretty privilege with gender privilege. Only a certain subset of women have the kind of opportunities blackpillers imagine.
/r/ExRedPill20/05/25 02:02 PM
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Yeah, that’s the vibe I get out of them too. Seems like an exhausting way to live.
/r/ExRedPill16/05/25 05:55 PM
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If you really care about your fellow men and their desire for a virgin / low “body-count” woman, then why are you sleeping around and taking all those women from them?
/r/ExRedPill15/05/25 08:42 PM
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That’s true. I wonder if the caste system (practiced in parts of South Asia) has something to do with it.
/r/ExRedPill14/05/25 07:40 PM
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If you don’t mind me asking, what part of Asia? I’m Japanese-American, and although I can see how my culture may not be the best at inter-gender friendship, being platonic friends with women hasn’t been much of an issue for me past childhood.
/r/ExRedPill13/05/25 11:36 PM
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I’m really glad that you found value in platonic friendships. Too many people fall for that Redpill nonsense that women and men cannot be friends.
/r/ExRedPill13/05/25 03:13 PM
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It challenges their narrative that all women only want a “666” guy. It’s a belief based more on emotion than facts, so they get defensive when challenged.
/r/ExRedPill08/05/25 08:05 PM
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I’m glad you find this subreddit helpful. 🙂
/r/ExRedPill08/05/25 07:26 PM
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Remember, when pillers say that women are born with value, what they really mean is that attractive women are born with value.
/r/ExRedPill08/05/25 07:22 PM
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That women should save themselves for a quality man, but they are picky and shallow if they do.
/r/ExRedPill07/05/25 11:48 AM
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I am not dismissing anything. It shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone that dating apps are hard for men, for the simple reason that men vastly outnumber women there. In the real world, men and women are roughly equal in number. That is why I take issue with the idea that online dating is “proof” of any universal “rule” of dating, let alone the 80/20 rule.
/r/ExRedPill07/05/25 01:48 AM
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Women only put in effort for those of high genetics and status. Demonstrably false. Most people of both genders pursue other people of similar socioeconomic class. Hot and wealthy go for hot and wealthy, average middle-class pursue other average middle-class, etc. Yes, there are many that “punch above their weight,” but that’s a them problem, not a gendered problem. Besides, most people have fancied someone “out of their league” at least one point in their life, yet they manage (mostly by being …
/r/ExRedPill05/05/25 08:11 PM
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Thanks for sharing. Got a good chuckle out of the video.
/r/ExRedPill05/05/25 05:44 PM
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If you don’t mind sharing with me, what was your experience?
/r/ExRedPill05/05/25 05:42 PM
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Appreciate your support! Yeah, Tomassi gets a few things right such as reading the room and avoiding the temptation of oneitis, but he wraps it up with a lot of objectifying game theory. I can confidently say that my reading of that book has made me a little better “equipped,” though I’m sure I still have a lot to learn. I’m glad I waited until I knew the counterpoints enough to read it critically, though; his manipulative language is admittedly strong.
/r/ExRedPill05/05/25 05:21 PM
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Haha, I don’t like tomatoes, so I like the nickname 😆
/r/ExRedPill05/05/25 05:13 PM
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you would have to get your whole gender I am a man to actually put in effort in dating and relationships. Many women do. Sure, some don’t, but the same goes for men. they have the incredible privilege to sit back and relax and have thousands of dogs grovel before them and beg to be loved by them. That’s quite a hyperbole… But that aside, so what? Just because one wants a relationship doesn’t mean they have to say yes to the first person who expresses interest in them. That’s not a gendered thing…
/r/ExRedPill05/05/25 04:55 PM
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Can you elaborate?
/r/ExRedPill05/05/25 01:32 PM
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Thankfully, dating apps are not the only options for men.
/r/ExRedPill05/05/25 01:10 PM
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There was a (now deleted?) post of this exact question, a year or two ago. If my memory of the comments there serve me right: Red pillers often simplify his opinion and deviate from it forming extreme conclusions and worldviews. That is exactly the reason. We could only take so much Jordan Peterson fans pretending not to be redpillers, before it got tiresome.
/r/ExRedPill04/05/25 08:15 PM
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A core tenet of Redpill is that it denies the existence of toxic masculinity, which is what OP said about her boyfriend. Redpillers love to straw-man the concept by claiming that it means that all masculine traits are toxic. It is not saying that. It is simply saying that some traits traditionally described as “masculine” are either unhealthy or can be expressed in unhealthy ways. A classic example of this is expressing grief as anger rather than sadness and taking your anger out on people who h…
/r/ExRedPill04/05/25 05:48 PM
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Has my boyfriend been red pilled? He has. He may no longer be a fan of Tate, but he has not lost his denial on the existence of toxic masculinity. Run for the hills.
/r/ExRedPill04/05/25 04:18 AM
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I made friends through Meetup and Bumble BFF. Helped me find people with common interests.
/r/ExRedPill02/05/25 01:53 AM
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True, but again, she may be missing important details about the marriage that the divorced parties simply haven’t told her.
/r/ExRedPill01/05/25 11:45 PM
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Somehow, I find it hard to believe that the marriage counselor has the whole story, let alone telling the whole story. Almost no one leaves a marriage for no reason. Divorce and even legal separation costs time and money. The spouse has to have burdened the other party in some way. It’s also natural for some people to pretend that their breakup/divorce was more on “good terms” than it really was.
/r/ExRedPill01/05/25 10:55 PM
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I used to be hung-up on the “do girls like bad boys?” question, until I asked myself this: “Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that most women prefer toxic men. Would you become a toxic man because of that? If so, then that says a lot more about you then it does about women…” It was at that point that I decided: “I’m going to continue to be a good person, as it’s the right thing to do. And if a woman doesn’t like that about me, then she’s not the one for me.” If you’re a genuinely good man, th…
/r/ExRedPill01/05/25 10:34 PM
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I agree. Many of them accuse women of being picky when they are picky themselves.
/r/ExRedPill01/05/25 05:24 PM
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That is indeed very scary! I assume that these are unironic Tate and Fresh & Fit supporters?
/r/ExRedPill01/05/25 02:13 PM
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Regarding the subject of hypergamy, I found this post on r/AskFeminists and thought you may find it interesting and helpful. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/s/yQx3xCAIj9
/r/ExRedPill30/04/25 07:42 PM
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No. At best, it only proves that the 80/20 rule is “true” in limited contexts, such as places and platforms where men vastly outnumber women.
/r/ExRedPill30/04/25 04:38 PM
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Yep. Your word choices, topics of interest, tone of voice, facial expression, body language, etc can say a lot about you. Women are very skilled at reading those, as most of them have experience with men trying to be sly to get in their pants.
/r/ExRedPill30/04/25 03:37 PM
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Being “Top 1%” is not practically attainable for many people. If it were, then more than 1% of people would get it, as most people are fairly goal-driven. I get that you want to be more attractive to women, but for your own peace of mind, try your best not look at it like a competition. Most people are just living their own lives; they aren’t out there keeping score of your dating life.
/r/ExRedPill29/04/25 07:01 PM
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I’ve heard it said that you aren’t competing with other men, you are competing with a woman’s choice to be single. Those guys who are evidently more lucky with women? They aren’t “stealing” women from you. They are simply giving women good reason to believe that being with them will enhance their life.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/25 04:03 PM
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u/crepuscopoli, I’m interested in hearing your answer to this.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/25 03:51 PM
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I would counter that the burden of proof is on them to demonstrate that the genetic material is: Still inside the body. Stored in a way that it could be passed down. But it sounds like the bigger issue is that you are letting the anecdotes get to your head. Never-mind the fact that some anecdotes on the internet are entirely made up, many are fueled by confirmation bias like unjustified suspicion that their spouse may be cheating. I know it’s easier said than done, but try to disassociate yourse…
/r/ExRedPill26/04/25 06:12 PM
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My two cents: Doesn’t adding comments like “Team Tate Here?” sound like asking for trouble? I get that you’re trying to get more views, but if your goal is to encourage discussion on manipulation tactics and not stir a debate on the veracity of red pill, then giving Tate supporters a digital welcome mat is just going to unnecessarily stir the pot.
/r/ExRedPill26/04/25 05:48 PM
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No personal experience, but I’m imagining a scenario where a guy/girl might date someone who was said to be toxic as an act of rebellion to their parents or relatives, just as someone might date someone of a certain race/culture as an act of rebellion to their parents (the example in the video.)
/r/ExRedPill26/04/25 05:36 PM
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Having watched the video, you are correct in your assessment that Tate is a manipulative narcissist. He is basically Rollo Tomassi on steroids. Taking a nonsensical “game” and making a pretentious show out of it.
/r/ExRedPill26/04/25 03:30 AM
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The “forbidden fruit” part really stood out to me. It makes me wonder if there are also personality traits (not just race or culture) that people get attracted to precisely because their family warned them not to date them.
/r/ExRedPill25/04/25 05:38 PM
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Red Pill is not an ideology Nonsense. That’s just a lame attempt to excuse the Red Pill for the damage it has done to young men. For something that claims to be amoral and neutral about things, it sure is pretty anti-feminist and misogynistic.
/r/ExRedPill24/04/25 02:51 PM
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If it interests you, lurk in some women-centered subs. It helped me get a much more balanced and nuanced perspective on dating. Redpillers and Blackpillers try to tell us that dating is a one-sided problem where men are victims and women have all the power, when really, it’s a complicated dynamic that’s challenging for everyone.
/r/ExRedPill22/04/25 08:40 PM
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If you are lacking something you really want, it’s just very tempting to feel that getting it will complete you. What makes one emotionally healthy is understanding that and regulating your behavior accordingly.
/r/ExRedPill21/04/25 06:00 PM
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Exactly. And then they have the audacity to say that it’s women’s pickiness that’s keeping them from a good relationship, not their off-putting behavior and unhealthy fixation on purity.
/r/ExRedPill18/04/25 03:48 PM
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Many of these guys were raised in religious households that embraced what’s commonly called “purity culture.” It has made them mistakenly believe that if they just be a nice, goody-goody Christian gentleman then God will hand them a “pure” virgin wife on a silver platter. When they realize that reality is not as simple as that, they get angry and resentful and look for alternatives. This made them easy targets for pick-up artistry and other parts of the manosphere.
/r/ExRedPill18/04/25 03:26 PM
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Yeah, I recommend that every redpill believer on Reddit lurk that sub. Helped me understand the women’s side of dating problems.
/r/ExRedPill15/04/25 04:32 PM
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I suspect that the whole “girls like bad boys, not nice guys” trope is more of a product of spotlight fallacy and just-world mindset than anything else. Nobody cares about the “bad boy” who doesn’t get girls, because why would they? He’s considered a pathetic loser who deserves to be alone. Nobody complains about the nice guy who gets girls, because why should they? He’s considered a great guy who deserves a relationship. It’s only the other two combinations that get a lot of attention, because …
/r/ExRedPill15/04/25 02:32 PM
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This is what I found on Google. It’s quite sickening. https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/s/f8quxmvExA
/r/ExRedPill14/04/25 03:10 PM
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Haha, yeah, I see your point. Should have instead phrased it as “those who have a different taste and are attracted to you”
/r/ExRedPill12/04/25 04:17 PM
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Can relate. I remember applying some “tactics” in the past, and looking back at it, it’s so cringe! One of the major reasons I discarded the redpill stuff.
/r/ExRedPill10/04/25 04:32 PM
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Well, I can appreciate some informative comments, even if I disagree with the sentiment. I’m very sorry for what you’re going through, Soft-Neat. I’ve seen your past posts, and I wish I had insightful advice for you, but I don’t. All I can say that is that I hope your life circumstances improve and that you will one day find light at the end of the tunnel.
/r/ExRedPill10/04/25 04:18 PM
1

That’s fair. As a short guy myself, I can understand the part about being height shamed.
/r/ExRedPill10/04/25 04:10 PM
2

Thanks for sharing! Has the PUA stuff actually worked on your crush? Just wondering how it effectively got you deep in the rabbit hole.
/r/ExRedPill09/04/25 04:33 PM
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[Rollo Tomassi] thinks marriage has no risk on women and so men should be able to completely control women. The irony of this idea is that it makes the risk of broken marriage and divorce even higher for men.
/r/ExRedPill09/04/25 03:11 PM
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You make a good point, and I agree with you. I was just approaching the topic from an individualistic framework, as that is often how dating advice is framed. I would add though that if they are arguing from a collectivist framework…that is, if they are angry because they want to change societal norms on dating and not just because they are unlucky, then raging at women and calling them gold diggers etc is not going to help with that.
/r/ExRedPill08/04/25 06:23 PM
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Thanks for this comment. Makes perfect sense. If one sees the world through those cynical lenses, then of course they are going to feel helpless and enraged.
/r/ExRedPill08/04/25 06:15 PM
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Well said! To put it crudely: If you want a trophy wife, you better be a trophy husband lol.
/r/ExRedPill08/04/25 06:12 PM
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Wow! That is very interesting and tells me a lot I didn’t know. Thanks for sharing!
/r/ExRedPill08/04/25 06:08 PM
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The implication of their sexism is that it degrades men too. It implies that if a man is in a relationship with a woman who doesn’t meet their arbitrary standards, then he is either settling or a low quality man.
/r/ExRedPill06/04/25 02:39 PM
2

Well said! Happy cake day!
/r/ExRedPill06/04/25 04:47 AM
3

My take on the 80/20 rule is that even if it’s true (which I doubt), it only proves that men need to do a better job at presenting themselves. For example, when I first started dating, my sense of style and fashion was horrible. My dating life improved after I addressed that and improved myself.
/r/ExRedPill05/04/25 03:24 AM
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Haha, you’re good man! Thanks for the detailed and constructive comment! I do understand their logic about inherent value, pair bonding, and validation from other women. What I’m trying to get at is that even in their sexist, double-standard worldview, they aren’t even supporting their fellow men. So they claim that virtuous women are scarce and men have it especially hard in dating? Okay…then why are they going on multiple hookups, making them even more scarce? I just find it hilarious that the…
/r/ExRedPill04/04/25 02:29 PM
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Haha yeah, good point. Honor killing and forced child marriage are insane practices in themselves, but the fact that they are often one-sided gender-wise makes them doubly so.
/r/ExRedPill03/04/25 05:20 PM
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I agree 100%. Too many seem to use accountability as an excuse to be a jerk. This is unfortunately a big problem in many Christian subs, and as you said, it’s antithetical to Christ’s teachings.
/r/ExRedPill03/04/25 04:49 PM
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Isn’t Islam against premarital sex?
/r/ExRedPill03/04/25 04:39 PM
2

Great post! That’s a very nice and creative way to put it.
/r/ExRedPill03/04/25 04:04 PM
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Makes sense. If a man sees his fellow men as nothing more than competition, then I can see how this worldview would be coherent (albeit very selfish).
/r/ExRedPill03/04/25 03:46 PM
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Thanks for the explanations, everyone! Appreciate it.
/r/ExRedPill03/04/25 03:39 PM
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No, no, no, you don’t get it. A woman must be very selective and pick the right guy. And by “right guy,” that means them and their misogynistic selves. See? Easy.
/r/ExRedPill27/03/25 03:29 PM
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Thank you for sharing! This helped me get a much better understanding of their way of thinking. One thing I don’t understand though: A couple of Redpillers have told me that redpill is “a description, not a prescription.” In other words, they say that redpill doesn’t actually tell men what they should do ( i.e. no moralizing), but just describes how the world works. How can they then turn around and say that feminism is evil and has corrupted modern society? Isn’t that in itself moralizing?
/r/ExRedPill27/03/25 06:47 AM
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Thanks for sharing this! I’ve always suspected that it’s about trying to manipulate young women into settling for them. I hate to assume the worst of other people, but some people really are as bad as they sound.
/r/ExRedPill26/03/25 04:59 PM
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Not quite. A religion is a religion. An ideology is a set of ideas and values, which may or may not be religious. If you are against an ideology (by “against,” I mean actively opposed to it, not just neutral or apathetic), then you by definition have an ideology that’s counter to it, whether you have a name for it or not. For example, if you are against egalitarianism, then you by definition have a non-egalitarian ideology.
/r/ExRedPill26/03/25 04:44 PM
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Sure, but the key word is “only.” The point is that many if not most of these redpillers are just as picky as the women they are complaining about. They then project their pickiness onto most or all women.
/r/ExRedPill26/03/25 03:02 PM
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Yeah, yeah, and no true Scotsman would put sugar in his porridge. It is not a movement This is just outright laughable. No one has the monopoly on the definition of redpill. Followers of redpill don’t have a creed or a council of elders to answer to. If those grifters not only call themselves redpill, but also gain widespread support from other people who call themselves redpill, then what’s the difference between that and saying that the redpill is a movement characterized by these people?
/r/ExRedPill25/03/25 04:35 PM
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Red-Pillers: Non-virgin women are low-value women who should be shunned. Also Red-Pillers: Men who have slept with lots of women (I.e. “Chads”) are high-value men who should be admired. But if all those non-virgin women were supposedly sleeping with the same few Chads (per 80/20 rule), then isn’t it the Chads who are the problem, not women?
/r/ExRedPill25/03/25 03:09 PM
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They claim that red-pill is not an ideology, yet are against everything feminist or egalitarian… Being against an ideology is in itself an ideology.
/r/ExRedPill25/03/25 02:32 PM
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Fair enough. Since I’m not especially well-read on evo psych, I’ll give you my own thoughts. A saying that has proved useful to me is the following: Every accusation is a confession. The reason some people make these kind of generalizations about women is that they are either one themselves or would do the same thing if given the opportunity. There’s a reason that cheaters are known for falsely accusing their partner of cheating.
/r/ExRedPill21/03/25 01:57 PM
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Right, so in their point of view, it’s fine for a man to only want a woman who is very young and above average in attractiveness… Meanwhile, if a woman wants a man who is wealthier or has “higher social status” than her, then she is a “picky gold digger…” There’s a reason they use the word “hypergamy” specifically: It’s convenient for their misogynistic narrative.
/r/ExRedPill19/03/25 04:26 PM
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I really think that when redpillers and blackpillers claim that “most women are hypergamous,” they are just projecting their own shallowness. They are typically the same people who are obsessed with youth, virginity, and being a “6+ out of 10 in the attractiveness scale.” Somehow, it’s fine and natural for them to have the above shallow standards, but when women have similarly shallow standards, it is unfair. 🙄 (Edit: This is not intended as an attack on OP, by the way. Just on those who try to …
/r/ExRedPill19/03/25 03:27 PM
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As for what I think of the idea, I’ve always found it very weird. Many people fall in love with more than one person in their lifetime. People’s ideal type change over time. People can be attracted to more than one type of person at the same time. People may live the “party life” for a while and find out it’s not for them. There are many different possibilities. The whole AF/BB concept seems to be based on a weird assumption that all women are only attracted to one type, and that the only reason…
/r/ExRedPill06/03/25 03:21 PM
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Meanwhile, the so-called “beta” has a stable income and enjoying his favorite hobbies without financial burden, after a few years of focusing on his career. Plus, he and his partner are committed for life. Sounds like the beta is the real winner in this exchange lol.
/r/ExRedPill06/03/25 02:45 PM
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I sympathize with the “worry about being a beta bucks guy” part. Used to struggle with dating, and almost bought in to some of the redpill rhetoric, despite knowing from the start that it’s nonsense. I think one thing that would help you is to focus on being attractive all-around: Develop your social skills, improve your fashion sense, stay in shape, etc. That way, you don’t get hung-up on the artificial “I have a decent income, but I’m not attractive” dilemma and get the good aspects of both ty…
/r/ExRedPill06/03/25 02:05 PM
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I would take my time to counter every one of those points, but first I want to ask you two things: Who is telling you these things? Whoever they are, are you making an effort to remove those people from your life?
/r/ExRedPill05/03/25 02:32 AM
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When I told him that ‘dread game’ doesn’t work, he responded that it ‘worked on his ex’ Can’t imagine why she’s his ex lol
/r/ExRedPill04/03/25 08:33 PM
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Unless one literally looks like Dobby the House Elf, I don’t see how they can’t go from “ugly” to fairly attractive with enough work and effort.
/r/ExRedPill04/03/25 06:46 PM
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If they only care about expensive gifts…they may be a gold digger. If they are falsely and constantly accusing you of cheating...they may be a cheater. If they are judgmental about everyone…they will judge you too. Etc.
/r/ExRedPill04/03/25 05:01 AM
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Watch for red flags. People often give subtle clues of who they really are, early in the relationship.
/r/ExRedPill03/03/25 06:56 PM
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I wouldn’t have so much problems with red-pill if its followers were just trying to say “Here are some things many women are like, and here’s what you can do to prevent getting exploited by them.” The fact that they extrapolate that to most or all women creates an unnecessarily cynical view of women, often leading to undeserved generalizations and hatred.
/r/ExRedPill03/03/25 05:14 PM
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Trust me, you got plenty of time. I didn’t even start dating until 28 lol.
/r/ExRedPill02/03/25 08:45 PM
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I’m sure that most of us are aware that many fundamentalists are rightwing. I think where the disconnect lies is that in most social interactions, religious or not, it is considered very rude to inquire about other people’s sexual history. Thank you for sharing about satellite communities in Mormon country, though! Very interesting.
/r/ExRedPill28/02/25 09:12 PM
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As a guy who was a virgin until his 30s, I’m genuinely curious where you’re all hearing this virgin shaming. In every friend group I’ve been in, people’s sex lives almost never come up. And in the few times they did, they never asked me about my sexual history, let alone shamed me for it. So unless you’re all going around telling people you’re virgins (which would be weird), I don’t really see how people’s virginity comes up in normal social settings. It’s not like we are born with a tattoo on o…
/r/ExRedPill28/02/25 05:08 PM
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Well, if they are an AWALT (“All Women Are Like That”) type of person, then that’s where they’ll just move the goal post and say that most women are like that.
/r/ExRedPill28/02/25 03:44 PM
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I definitely agree that good vibes play a crucial role in attraction, especially for women. Did you mean to reply to me or someone else?
/r/ExRedPill28/02/25 01:47 AM
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Women’s tastes in men are just as diverse as men’s tastes in women. Some like masculine, some like feminine. Some like assertive, others like shy. Some like muscular, others like skinny. Etc. The idea that women are only attracted to 5% of men is based on misinterpretation of online data, and is usually claimed by influencers who are trying to sell the lie that you must subscribe to their channels to be successful in dating.
/r/ExRedPill26/02/25 07:03 PM
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Ah, but don’t you see? All those omniscient, angry misogynists know for a FACT that you only want a 6’0”+ and are just lying to make us short guys feel better! But seriously, I agree. I think that “spark” and chemistry play a bigger role in attraction than many people give them credit for.
/r/ExRedPill25/02/25 04:14 AM
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Yep! Many women I know are between 5’0” - 5’2”, and every census data shows that the vast, vast majority of men are either that height or taller. It also wouldn’t surprise me if there is a subset of women who say they like tall men and want a tall boyfriend…but if they met some well-dressed, well-groomed man who could make them laugh all the time but just happens to be, say, 5’3”, they would make an exception for him or even reevaluate their height standards.
/r/ExRedPill25/02/25 03:13 AM
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I feel like trying to explain the dating world in “trends” is counterproductive, as it just leads to more stereotyping, gender division, and baseless assumptions about individuals. In a way, I can understand why the redpill is an attractive philosophy for some men: They seem to want to have the power to predict women…the power to read women’s minds. I think that this is an unhealthy mindset, to start with. At best, it doesn’t give women enough credit when it comes to individuality and diversity …
/r/ExRedPill23/02/25 10:21 PM
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In my experience, being your true, authentic self is always the best way. Not only because you might find someone who likes you for who you are, but also because you don’t waste precious time with people who don’t. I learned that the hard way…tried to put on an “alpha male” front and apply a few “pick-up” tactics for a time, only to attract a woman who wasn’t a good fit for me (and possibly repelled women who would have been, in the process.)
/r/ExRedPill22/02/25 05:29 PM
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Exactly! They act like western women are some kind of hive-mind of whatever cultural boogeyman they dislike, when in reality, they are way more diverse than that. It honestly just seems like cope from guys who don’t want to face the fact that their demeanor are not attractive, even to women who otherwise share their interests and values.
/r/ExRedPill17/02/25 03:07 PM
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If some guy leaves you just for a younger woman, then that’s the trash taking itself out. But yeah, people who talk like that are annoying. I haven’t met any in real life who are like that, either. I’d like to think it’s just a vocal minority of bitter men online.
/r/ExRedPill15/02/25 12:02 AM
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Christian man here, and I agree 100%. I think a lot of it is projection: They want a lot of kids themselves, so they assume that about every woman they rage at. This is probably why they say things like “You’re going to be a miserable, old cat lady and regret not having kids” or something like that. I hope you find a man who values you for who are you are. So sorry you are going through all that!
/r/ExRedPill10/02/25 06:15 PM
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May I ask why you feel like you’re a “2”?
/r/ExRedPill27/08/24 07:08 PM
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Honestly, I think most of them are just jealous that they don’t get to live like James Bond or Leonardo DiCaprio. They act like the ability to get hookups on demand is the greatest thing ever, and that the big, bad, “hypergamous” wolves women are robbing men of that privilege. Don’t want a meaningful relationship and the “give-and-take” dynamics needed for a healthy one? Only want casual sex? That is your right, but then you don’t get to turn around and complain about the shallowness that usuall…
/r/ExRedPill22/08/24 07:48 PM
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Thank you for this well thought-out reply! I read the TLDR first, and the rest after my bedtime. You are right that my definition of “leagues” is rather superficial and should be reevaluated. I kind of figured that there’s a lot more nuance to leagues than what I conveyed, but just needed someone to spell it out for me.
/r/ExRedPill12/08/24 02:56 PM
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Great points! I will definitely be wary of giving unsolicited advice.
/r/ExRedPill12/08/24 02:51 PM
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He’s in his early 30s, looking for a long term relationship and eventually marriage. He values many things besides looks, such as shared values and compatibility, but what he does in practice makes it hard to deny that looks is his top priority lol.
/r/ExRedPill12/08/24 02:47 PM
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He has, but thankfully, he’s not making a big fuss about it like some redpillers and blackpillers do.
/r/ExRedPill12/08/24 02:40 PM
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That sucks, man! I’m really sorry. I hope you heal from this soon. That being said, please don’t let this paint your view of all women. You deserve better, and I can assure you that there are plenty of women who are much better than her.
/r/ExRedPill12/08/24 05:18 AM
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The obsession with “body count” and “1-10 scale” from those people is very amusing to me, as they are often the same people who generalize and complain that women only care about height and money. Not only does it give “choosy beggar” vibes, but it also screams “I am projecting my own shallowness onto everyone else!”
/r/ExRedPill09/08/24 06:50 PM
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Many if not most of them have some form of Nice Guy Syndrome. They think that women only choose the “tall, handsome bad boy,” because they think they are a nice person and women don’t pick them. In reality, they aren’t really as nice as they claim they are, and women can sense that from a mile away.
/r/ExRedPill08/08/24 02:49 PM
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Who here is excusing anything? Your comments prove nothing, except that some people can get away with a bad personality if they are charming and/or manipulative enough. Doesn’t change the fact that bad personality hurts your chances in most cases.
/r/ExRedPill04/08/24 03:43 PM
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Because healthy genes aren’t the same as conventional attractiveness.
/r/ExRedPill03/08/24 12:19 AM
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Chads often take advantage of less attractive women. A good example is when Kurt Cobain lived with his girlfriend rent-free, to her, he was a Chad because he was already almost a celebrity even back in the ’80s. Again, I don’t doubt those kind of guys exist. I just don’t think it proves what many red-pillers think it proves.
/r/ExRedPill29/07/24 08:11 PM
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Chad only puts in the bare minimum effort because he’s better looking than her, so he doesn’t have to do more. While I have no doubt in my mind that some men (and women) act like that, I see no evidence of this being correlated with (much less caused by) the relative attractiveness of dating partners. Just because someone is “less attractive” doesn’t necessarily mean that they will treat their partner better. There’s also the fact that some men are completely out of touch and don’t know how to t…
/r/ExRedPill29/07/24 06:00 PM
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I guess that depends on your definition of “settling.” What people may fancy or daydream about in their teenage years is not often the same as who they find attractive enough to date and is liked back.
/r/ExRedPill29/07/24 03:35 PM
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I think it’s more so that they project their own desires onto women. That is: “If I were a woman, attracted to men, and were as horny as I am now, I would do this…” What they generally fail to acknowledge is the orgasm gap, the risk of pregnancy and sexual assault/abuse, and the fact that a lot of men don’t do more than the bare minimum in relationships.
/r/ExRedPill29/07/24 03:18 PM
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but only become enough later on in life Forgive me if my reading comprehension is off, but I take it this means that you’ve worked on yourself and have now become better-looking than you were before? If so, then embrace the fact that you’ve come a long way. Not everyone has the drive to do that, so you are now way ahead of those who just spend their days wallowing in despair (which is not in itself a bad thing…just gets unhealthy after a certain point.) I get it, it sucks feeling like you weren’…
/r/ExRedPill28/07/24 05:31 PM
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What people mean by “everyone has a past” is that everyone has something that others can use against them if they are judgmental enough. Taking you, for example, some girls might be so cruel as to think that they wouldn’t date you just because of “lack of experience.” It’s stupid, yes, but the point is that anybody can have a social stigma attached to them, no matter who they are. If someone you really liked was considering dating you but then turned you down because they found out you are a vir…
/r/ExRedPill28/07/24 03:57 PM
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In addition to the other good points here, it’s worth asking yourself if you’d want to be with a person who says stuff like “5’10” is short for a guy.” Similarly, would you want to date a woman who thinks like this?: “I’m only open to dating men who are 6’0”+ and not an inch shorter!” A person like that would likely be shallow in other ways too, and would not likely be a great fit for you anyway.
/r/ExRedPill23/07/24 08:08 PM
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If they are quick to play both sides (ex. “well, that goes for men too!”) whenever a topic related to women’s issues comes up.
/r/ExRedPill21/07/24 10:17 PM
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One of the things that kept me out of the redpill rabbit hole was lurking in subs like r/Askwomen and r/askgirls. I learned through those subs that there are a wide variety of “types,” and that not every woman wants a Chris Evans type boyfriend.
/r/ExRedPill13/07/24 05:50 PM
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You don’t have to hide anything, as most people don’t ask about your experience upon first meeting you. If they do ask you, you give an honest answer, and they judge you for that answer, then they’re not the type of people you’d want to date anyway.
/r/ExRedPill10/07/24 06:38 PM
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It’s their main selling point. It appeals to a lot of virgin men, because they have no experience of sex and want it really badly. Thus, it keeps them engaged in their content and even convinces some to financially support their channel.
/r/ExRedPill10/07/24 06:20 PM
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Am I missing something, here? The article you linked seems to suggest that short men are less likely to divorce than tall men. Sure, it also says that they tend to marry later, but isn’t it better to marry later than get divorced?
/r/ExRedPill08/07/24 05:17 PM
1

Self-esteem and contentment goes a long way. It’s not everything, but it’s much better than the alternative.
/r/ExRedPill08/07/24 01:51 AM
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Well, for whatever it’s worth, I know tons of skinny women dating average “geeky-looking” guys. I think a lot of incels (not saying you are one) underestimate the power of social skills, humor, and the fact that two people can just get along really well (i.e. chemistry).
/r/ExRedPill05/07/24 04:58 PM
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I’ve listened to a lot of Marni back in 2019-2021. Heard nothing problematic.
/r/ExRedPill03/07/24 03:57 AM
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r/bropill is another great sub for this topic.
/r/ExRedPill29/06/24 05:47 AM
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“Past 12 months” also doesn’t tell us anything. One can be celibate for one year for a variety of reasons. Focusing on advancing their education or career rather than dating, for example.
/r/ExRedPill28/06/24 05:18 AM
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There are a lot of things wrong with F&F, but one crazy thing Myron said is that a woman should be okay with her boyfriend cheating on her because it is natural for men to want to have sex with multiple women. This not only reeks of entitlement, but also gives the sexist implication that men are brain-dead monkeys who can’t control their sex drives. Myron is a prime example of how misogyny demeans both genders.
/r/ExRedPill27/06/24 06:45 PM
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Like many other traits, it’s a disadvantage but not a disqualifier. There are many women who would prefer taller men but are open to dating shorter men if they find them attractive enough. There are also many more who don’t care very much (or not at all) about height. There are even some who prefer shorter-than-average height (often because they are very short, themselves.) Combine this with the fact that there are about four billion women in the world, and you’ll realize that there are plenty o…
/r/ExRedPill23/06/24 10:39 PM
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They are out there. You just gotta keep playing the numbers game. It will take time, yes, but the trick is to enjoy the process and not just eye on the endgame.
/r/ExRedPill22/06/24 10:13 PM
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I believe it is. They prey on naive, young men who feel alone or hurt and use feminism as a convenient scapegoat for their problems. This gives them leeway to promote anti-feminist ideologies, which often go hand-to-hand with far-right ideologies.
/r/ExRedPill22/06/24 07:42 PM
5

I can personally assure you that not everyone is hooking up in college, lol. Can confirm. Never hooked up. Didn’t lose my virginity until my 30s, and have no regrets.
/r/ExRedPill11/06/24 03:48 PM
10

The social pressure for young men to lose virginity by a certain age/grade-level is an arbitrary construct, but nonetheless real. I am sorry for what you’re going through, OP. Though I don’t know you enough to give practical advice, I do wish you well!
/r/ExRedPill11/06/24 03:46 PM
4

Congrats and welcome! May your detoxification from the red-pill benefit you in future relationships, romantic and otherwise.
/r/ExRedPill11/06/24 03:37 PM
2

You put it into words what I’ve been trying to put in words so neatly! Thank you. I’m stealing this, if you don’t mind.
/r/ExRedPill10/06/24 09:26 PM
6

I am convinced that a lot of redpillers are aspiring abusers. They will never admit it, but their deep insecurity about women rejecting them or taking advantage of them is in all likelihood rooted in a subconscious (if not conscious) desire to have total control over their partner and the relationship.
/r/ExRedPill10/06/24 07:33 PM
3

Lurked that sub for a bit, but never joined. While there are at least a few quality posts there, they all get buried under comments from redpillers who think they have something original to say.
/r/ExRedPill10/06/24 07:28 PM
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It could also be an example of the Spotlight Fallacy. Nobody pays much attention to the handsome guy in a committed relationship, as that’s considered normal. People tend to gossip about the handsome guy who lives the “player” life.
/r/ExRedPill28/05/24 10:26 PM
6

Reminds me of that children’s story, “The Stone Cutter.” It’s easy to look at something you don’t have and think: “If I just have this, I’ll be happy!”
/r/ExRedPill28/05/24 10:17 PM
5

Also, “conventional attractiveness” may be more of a product of internalized cultural tastes than anything innate. The extant of that is subject to debate, but it would be a huge stretch to claim that, for instance, white people are “objectively” more attractive than all other races.
/r/ExRedPill28/05/24 07:47 PM
5

Kudos to you for working to escape the BP/RP mindset! I wish you all the best in your career! My only advice for you would be to be mindful of your choice of car. Don’t pick a car just to attract women. Pick one that best suits your lifestyle and personality.
/r/ExRedPill26/05/24 09:18 PM
2

I mean, if that’s all you want, that’s your prerogative. The post, however, is about a misogynist who wants more than sex, but is struggling to attain that. It stands to reason that OP’s target audience are those who have similar wants.
/r/ExRedPill26/05/24 08:37 PM
22

Goes to show that the whole “Alpha male Chad” selling point in red-pill circles is a sham. It might be effective in getting hookups or something similar, but it’s not conducive to a mutually loving and fulfilling relationship.
/r/ExRedPill24/05/24 04:31 PM
2

As I was reading, I couldn’t help but think of that “it’s not your fault” scene from Good Will Hunting. 😆 All jokes aside, thank you for this! I enjoyed reading it, and I hope more men will read it.
/r/ExRedPill03/05/24 05:31 PM
8

The video itself may be rage-bait, but it illustrates a subtle point about how, considering the frequency of sexual assault and abuse, women would understandably have their guard up when men cold-approach them (especially in a secluded area.) As men, our response to this trend shouldn’t be to mansplain women about how “we’re safer than bears,” but to discuss how we can reduce the factors that lead women to feel uncomfortable around men.
/r/ExRedPill03/05/24 04:33 PM
6

Myron’s debate with Melina tells me all I need to know about him and people of his ilk.
/r/ExRedPill06/04/24 05:53 PM
9

Red-pillers are hypocrites by definition. They look down on women for having lots of casual sex, yet view having casual sex with lots of women as some kind of achievement for men. By their own worldview, they are contributing to the very problem they despise women for.
/r/ExRedPill06/04/24 05:31 PM
3

Well then, geez, no wonder they are struggling with dating and relationships. Can’t even see the good of people in their own social circles.
/r/ExRedPill03/02/24 01:27 AM
2

Is that what they assume about all their married friends/coworkers who don’t fit their model of a “chad?”
/r/ExRedPill03/02/24 12:15 AM
3

I just went back and read your post, and I want to say that I’m so sorry for what you’re going through. I hope you found a way to fully leave him, or at least have a plan. Stay strong!
/r/ExRedPill20/01/24 04:05 AM
2

Creepy, yes. In some subs, I’ve also seen men with porn addictions make very judgmental statements about non-virgin women, and it makes me sick.
/r/ExRedPill28/11/23 03:51 PM
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