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Well first of all, yeah, fuck the police, I don't think that's a good use of resources either. That said, I looked up what you're referring to, and it's a little oblique to refer to police officers fining men for catcalling women jogging past them as targeting "any man they see romantically approaching women." But okay, sure. So is that the only context in which you disapprove of sexual harassment laws? Do you think otherwise it's good to have them and hold men accountable for sexual harassment?
/r/MensRights23/06/26 11:53 PM
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It's evidence that that believe is prevalent enough for an anti-circumcision group to take note and dedicate a page to refuting it. Here's an article that quotes real people who held this belief. I'm not sure why you're so insistent that because YOU'VE never heard something, it can't possibly be real.
/r/MensRights23/06/26 11:49 PM
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Right. Because you consider men getting in trouble for sexually harassing women at work to be "women being advantaged over their peers due to nothing but their gender." Because you see women's equality as men's discrimination. Good talk.
/r/MensRights23/06/26 11:41 PM
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What are you fucking talking about? That link doesn't mention the internet anywhere.
/r/MensRights23/06/26 11:39 PM
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Yeah lol I forgot we had two threads going. I'm done with the other conversation but you can respond here if you would like
/r/MensRights23/06/26 11:29 PM
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I DO know that minor removals of parts of the clit negate sexual pleasure because that's what FGM type II is. It's illegal in the US, but it happens in other parts of the world, and we know the outcomes, dumbass. Let me say this one more time so you can try to get it through your skull: people around the world have experimented with what you can do surgically to a girl's vulva. We have tried it all. We know the outcomes. And we know, for a FACT, that all of these procedures lead to more severe n…
/r/MensRights23/06/26 11:26 PM
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As I've already said, there's no point in us arguing because our viewpoints come from such radically different readings of reality. You insist you're right, I'll insist I'm right. I think my stance makes a bit more sense, since I think the oppression of women is a natural result of the fact that we were considered an inferior species and not allowed to be full members of society until maybe three decades ago, but I don't expect someone who thinks "men have more bodily autonomy than women" to be …
/r/MensRights23/06/26 11:16 PM
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It's so funny how we're like a funhouse mirror version of each other. You know that's exactly what feminists say about you guys, right? Men react so badly to feminism because they interpret women being equal to them as men being discriminated against. Now which of us is right? Well, who's to say. We'll never agree because our perspectives come from from fundamentally different readings of the reality.
/r/MensRights23/06/26 05:35 AM
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Right... I'm going to guess that what your sex ed teacher meant was that the labia doesn't necessarily play a huge role in sexual pleasure. But the vulva has a very, uh, "biome" quality to it, and as I mentioned can be fairly prone to infection, so the labia do play a key role in distributing moisture and protecting the vagina from bacteria. Like, imagining a vulva with no labia is, to me, kind of like imagining if your mouth was on the outside of your body. The point is that the area that matte…
/r/MensRights23/06/26 05:24 AM
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I didn't say there was a problem with it. I was responding to your comment where you said that women should be spending their time arguing against the edgy misandrists of TikTok as opposed to with misogynists on reddit. My point was, I'm not scolding those men for being there and not here, so don't scold me for being here and not there. People generally prefer to argue against people they perceive to be in their out-group as opposed to policing their in-group. It's fine. As for crazy misogyny in…
/r/MensRights23/06/26 05:10 AM
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I kind of still don't get what you mean. The skin? Do you mean the outer labia? I think that is a procedure that happens in some FGM types 2 and 3, although typically not alone. But it would definitely have major, crazy complications. I don't see why you would think the father being circumcised is more likely an aesthetic preference on the part of the mother than the father. Haven't you heard the thing where fathers say they want their sons to look like them? Again, you can doubt me that hygiene…
/r/MensRights23/06/26 04:57 AM
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No, I'm mostly familiar with Richard Reeves, although I can kind of imagine you don't think much of his work. But he certainly attributes the issue to more varied causes. IIRC he promotes the (in my opinion whacky) idea of universal redshirting for boys, to make up for the facts that girls develop more quickly in early childhood, which he suspects might set boys up at a disadvantage. I'm a little confused by what you're suggesting. What do you consider to be the tip of the vulva? In my opinion, …
/r/MensRights23/06/26 04:40 AM
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Dude. Find me a researcher who studies this subject who claims what you claim, that the entire difference in educational outcomes between boys and girls is caused by teacher bias. I'm familiar with researchers on this topic, I'm pretty sure they attribute it to a variety of factors. I already told you. I saw the study you linked directly. The other link you gave was to an article. I clicked the link to the highlighted text, but it didn't take me to an academic study, it took me to another summar…
/r/MensRights23/06/26 04:18 AM
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Well, again, I think it's a subtextual claim of the argument. I think that people who say "women should have to be drafted to have the vote" say it, on some level, because they know that the idea of the vote being taken away from women is a very common sexist talking point. Otherwise, there's really very little connection between the right to vote and the draft. Like, I'm not sure why you say that's the position of the US government when, in the US, men's registering for the Selective Service is…
/r/MensRights23/06/26 04:09 AM
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Dude, I would rather you DM me to call me a cunt than call me a poor critter. There has to be a way around this. Look, I'm not going to get into this again. You can poke around this thread for my thoughts on abortion. At base, I think dismissing it as something that doesn't really matter, or isn't that common, or that we can ignore cause it only really happens to sluts (the subtext of what you're saying) is just, like, unmoored from reality. These are completely central, life-defining issues for…
/r/MensRights23/06/26 03:57 AM
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I am well aware of the statistic that it's just as strong as in the 70s, but flipped. But that's the thing. In the 70s, we understood exactly where the gap came from because it was following decades of active exclusion. That's not the case now, so the problem is harder to understand. I looked at one of your studies. You were right, you had linked them. Like you, I couldn't find the study linked in the article; it seemed to link another article, and I couldn't find the right link there. I looked …
/r/MensRights23/06/26 03:50 AM
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Sure. And I personally would like it if the men that I see making those same "not all men" arguments in the comments of every edgy woman's annoying TikToks would come, instead, argue on this subreddit against the crazy misogyny you guys post on here every single day. But they don't, because we all have our own interests. It's fine. I feel like you really ignored the meat of my comment to be like, "well... it's your own fault I do that."
/r/MensRights23/06/26 03:38 AM
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To respond to the rest of your comment, I'll kind of give of it to you on the voter front, I accept that no one is really arguing against women having the vote in a direct sense, although I think that's kind of edgy subtext to it. To address the point more directly. I just think "women should be conscripted" and especially "women should be conscripted to have the vote" is a stupid policy position. And if you want me to not treat this suggestion as a round-about way of saying "repeal the 19th," t…
/r/MensRights23/06/26 03:32 AM
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Yeah. They're both extreme ways that the government imposes control over the body of its subjects. They're both potentially violating, both potentially life threatening. I don't think they have to be 1:1, or 1:1 with slavery, to be compared.
/r/MensRights23/06/26 03:20 AM
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Ugh, breaking my rule. Are you talking about the gender education gap that emerged from decades of women being systematically excluded from higher education and the workforce? Yeah, actually, we found that a bit easier to understand and address. And no lol, I know enough about this issue to know it's not just "female teacher's misandry." What about the development timeline differences between boys and girls? What about different social and career incentives? But hey, if this is well-studied, fee…
/r/MensRights23/06/26 03:17 AM
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The draft isn't fun, but come on, we're arguing ten comments deep in a reddit thread. This is not the battle field. We can be a little loose with it. Anyway, I don't agree that that is, as you say, the point. You're making a huge, broad, cross-societal generalization. One of the reason I find arguments like this annoying is that I think there's often some lowkey stolen valor of people like American men, who, whatever people want to say, are genuinely not at risk of being drafted, from people lik…
/r/MensRights23/06/26 03:08 AM
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I'm just trying a have a little fun. What is it with you guys being incapable of interpreting any argument that is not presented in the most direct way possible? My point is obviously that it's dumb to act like women are automatically at fault for the draft in Ukraine because they're the majority of voters when the draft was not established by a direct vote from the population.
/r/MensRights23/06/26 02:53 AM
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Also that's kind of a crazy feminist deep-cut lol, good job on the opposition research. Game recognize game.
/r/MensRights23/06/26 02:51 AM
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Did you know that the draft in Ukraine actually wasn't created via a direct voter referendum? Fascinating stuff.
/r/MensRights23/06/26 02:50 AM
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Also, wait, I'm sorry, do you not understand how the American political system works? Do you think that individual voters vote on constitutional amendments?
/r/MensRights23/06/26 02:46 AM
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Okay, I haven't read your whole comment, but Ukraine and the US are obviously totally different situations. I think it's annoying when men in the US act like they're at risk of being drafted when our geography and the state of modern warfare make that, like, exceptionally unlikely. I wouldn't react the same way if I was talking to someone from Ukraine.
/r/MensRights23/06/26 02:44 AM
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Also, for the record, I'm not sure why we're talking about slavery. You're the person who brought that word into the conversation. I don't believe that either of the things we're talking about are slavery.
/r/MensRights23/06/26 02:43 AM
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I can't post images here I don't think, so unfortunately I have to link you to the reaction image.
/r/MensRights23/06/26 02:41 AM
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Yes I got it lol
/r/MensRights23/06/26 02:38 AM
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God, all the men in this thread are so fucking condescending. You're calling me a dolt? Are you Dennis the Menace? "The government pays those teacher's salaries and noticeably does not care when the gender-education gap has men disatvantaged, so it's very relevant." No. This is completely random. You're not pointing at an area of existing policy that people vote on, which is what we're talking about. You're pointing at a large, amorphous problem, with ill-understood causes, where where no propos…
/r/MensRights23/06/26 02:37 AM
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We're talking about a difference of like 52% to 48%, it's really not as crazy as you guys are making it seem. I was curious about the location because it seems to me that the draft is often overblown as an issue in the US from a men's rights perspective when no man has been drafted here in over 50 years, and given the general position of our geography and the state of our military, it seems really unlikely to make a comeback.
/r/MensRights23/06/26 02:14 AM
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Really? You think being forced to be pregnant for nine months, give birth, and then be responsible for a human child is being "restricted from one specific course of action"? That is an understatement so absurd I could apply it to anything, including the draft. And I am articulating the conversation correctly. That's what this whole conversation is about. It's about blaming women for supposedly upholding the draft. There are people in this thread arguing that women should lose their right to vot…
/r/MensRights23/06/26 02:11 AM
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Here is the study you couldn't find. Real comment: Okay, I'm gonna try and keep this short because I do actually have things to do. Most of the things that you listed are not government policy, which is the subject of the discussion. Something like "bias in the education system" is not comparable to the draft or abortion rights because we are talking about the *government.* I could play the same game and list a dozen random reasons that women are oppressed in society, but that wouldn't be fun fo…
/r/MensRights23/06/26 02:04 AM
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I could spin it right back on you! "Men getting the vote and deciding that women should be enslaved for reproductive purposes is a bit different than what you describe, and certainly an argument for men's legal and social advantages/privileges over women." Especially because that is the actual historical order of things — in the US, men were solely in charge of the government when they originally outlawed abortions, which they did for multiple reasons, including wanting to instrumentalize women'…
/r/MensRights23/06/26 01:50 AM
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Dude, are you serious? You want to talk about the US? Where women are currently being denied abortions, like right now, as we're speaking, and a man hasn't been drafted in over 50 years? And again, okay, sure. I'll stop making assumptions about you. You support abortion and think all women should wait until marriage. I oppose the draft, and I think women be should be out there having heterosexual intercourse. We're all full of surprises. Anyway, since you say that abortions due to rape are "incr…
/r/MensRights23/06/26 01:41 AM
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I'm just trying to bring a little levity. But sure, let me expand on my point. First of all, women are forced to get pregnant, it's called rape, and it's THE inconvenient truth when it comes to discussing abortion law. But beyond that, it's just unserious to act like women have total responsibility for getting pregnant. Birth control fails. People can be totally responsible and still get pregnant. But let's put all that aside and just think about regular, consensual sex. If you think the state s…
/r/MensRights23/06/26 01:28 AM
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Okay, maybe you've misinterpreted me. I would reject such a deal, because I don't care about men voting on abortion or the ERA. And I agree with you it's never going to happen. I actually living in a democracy where everyone can vote. This is exactly why I'm saying that this post is stupid. Men voting on women's issues is not a good argument that women are oppressed by men, and women voting on men's issues is not a good argument that men are oppressed by women.
/r/MensRights23/06/26 01:23 AM
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Would you prefer to live in a society where women categorically refuse to fuck? I guess for you nothing would really change.
/r/MensRights23/06/26 01:17 AM
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Okay, well that's a policy position that seems completely disconnected from anything but grievance. What country do you actually live in, and what do you actually want the law to be? I live in the US, where men haven't been drafted in over 50 years, but I think we should abolish the contingency registration system. There. I notice that a lot of men love to talk about the draft when it's an argument against women's rights but seem to have very few other thoughts about it. Or will claim that it's …
/r/MensRights23/06/26 01:08 AM
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Oh wow, a man on the men’s rights subreddit who thinks women shouldn’t be allowed to vote. Daring today, aren’t we?
/r/MensRights23/06/26 01:00 AM
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No, not centuries ago. For centuries, but up to the present day. Again, writing from the US perspective, with the understanding that things are much worse in other parts of the world. My first example involved marital rape; this became a crime in all 50 states in 1993. My second example involved abortions being illegal; this was the state of affairs until Roe v Wade in 1973, which was overturned by Dobbs in 2022. My third example had to do with firing women for becoming pregnant; this was allowe…
/r/MensRights23/06/26 12:19 AM
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"Abortion bans apply equally: neither men nor women are allowed to abort children." Surely you understand that this is a stupid argument. This is the same logic as the argument that bans against gay marriage aren't REALLY homophobic because gay and straight people are equally banned from getting gay married. It is below response. Next, what types of male healthcare are explicitly banned (again, I'm speaking from a US perspective) from being covered by public insurance? I can think of some types …
/r/MensRights23/06/26 12:09 AM
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I'm saying that these are government policies that affect women that men are allowed to have a say in. Some are proposals that would benefit women that men are allowed to vote against. Like the ERA, which has never been ratified.
/r/MensRights23/06/26 12:03 AM
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Okay, fine, I'll try. You won't listen to me, but it's fine. So, I know the paradigm that you're coming from. I am familiar with the debate about "economic abortion." Personally, I think there's a fairly big difference between a bodily medical procedure and economically abandoning a living child, but that's really neither here nor there. We're not talking about whether economic abortions should exist or not. So what's crazy about your comment is that when you think of abortion, your view is so n…
/r/MensRights22/06/26 11:57 PM
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You see? I give you a clear cut and obvious counterpart for women. Men vote to ban abortions, forcing women to use their bodies in ways they don’t want to against their wills. Instead of thinking through this situation — what would that be like? How is it similar to men being forced to use their bodies in ways they don’t want to? Your response is, well, those sluts brought it on themselves. You do not seem to be a particularly empathetic or thoughtful person.
/r/MensRights22/06/26 11:25 PM
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Okay… normally I have it in me to argue in the internet, but this comment is actually so small-minded and stupid I can’t do it with you. Good luck. Woof.
/r/MensRights22/06/26 11:13 PM
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Abortion bans, laws about what kinds of female healthcare can be covered by public insurance, anti-discrimination laws like the ERA, Title IX, or laws making it illegal to fire women for getting pregnant, laws re: maternity leave or paid childcare, laws around the treatment of sex workers…
/r/MensRights22/06/26 11:10 PM
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Just out of curiosity, what country do you live in? I’m American, so that’s my perspective.
/r/MensRights22/06/26 10:52 PM
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So, in your world, do men not also vote? Are there not also government policies that disproportionately affect women?
/r/MensRights22/06/26 10:43 PM
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All you know is that she didn't run away. That's not enough to call her participation "enthusiastic." There are lots of reasons why a person who is heavily intoxicated, disoriented, probably physically intimidated, and actively in the middle of a traumatic experience wouldn't behave in a way that seems logical to an outside observer.
/r/MensRights21/06/26 07:33 AM
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Right. But my argument for why this was likely rape was never that it was statutory. I'm sure it wasn't statutory because then the judge couldn't have tossed it out. The person being 17 is still relevant to our assessment of the overall situation.
/r/MensRights20/06/26 04:33 AM
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That has literally nothing to do with any of this, including the fact that this didn't happen in the UK.
/r/MensRights20/06/26 04:25 AM
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I voiced my disagreement below. I don’t think a case where three men picked up an intoxicated 17-year-old stranger from an emergency room where she was a patient, had sex with her in a bush outside, and after she said that it was rape, she was ordered to pay their legal fees because the judge said, “If you go with three men, you know what’s going to happen” should be presented as some kind of victory against false accusations.
/r/MensRights20/06/26 01:43 AM
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Nowhere in the article does it say that. Here are the facts that appear to be agreed on, per the article: 1. She was 17. 2. She was heavily intoxicated (confirmed by lab reports). 3. She was, in fact, so intoxicated that she’d been brought to the emergency room. 4. She didn’t know the three men. 5. They took her out of the hospital to have sex outdoors, which she later described as rape. Given these facts, is it more likely the sex was consensual or not? Even if your view of women is so warped t…
/r/MensRights20/06/26 01:40 AM
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Man, do you guys even read these articles before you upvote them?
/r/MensRights20/06/26 12:22 AM
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Let’s look at probably the most famous example there is of a company named after the founder’s daughter, at least in America. From the Wendy’s website itself: “After trying all five of his children's names for the restaurant, Dave decided on his daughter Melinda's nickname - Wendy. … He felt that the logo of a smiling, whole-some little girl with the name “Wendy’s Old-Fashioned Hamburgers” would be the place where you went for a hamburger the way you used to get them, with fresh beef.” Did the f…
/r/MensRights14/06/26 10:32 PM
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Naming a company after your child is not “to make that person feel loved and special” lmfao. I’m sure for people who name their companies after their children, that plays a role. But the first and main reason is to have a company name that you think will succeed in the market. The point, once again, is that you are looking at one highly specific action and seeing it as the only possible indication of value. Who does a father value more? The daughter he names the company after? Or the son he want…
/r/MensRights14/06/26 09:31 PM
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Well, first of all, it is literally putting your son in the company name. Your son could work for you without naming your company “& son”; doing so indicates a level of pride or a desire to pass the business onto your son. The point is that this is also a way of communicating value. “Naming your company after them” is one very narrow way of showing you value your daughter. Training your son in your business and expecting him to take over your legacy is certainly another way of showing you value …
/r/MensRights14/06/26 09:15 PM
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Doesn't excluding & son companies immediately contaminate your data? There are definitely more & son companies than & daughter, and I would think a father who starts a business with his son is showing more value to the son.
/r/MensRights14/06/26 05:23 AM
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A person who works in a leadership position in a corporate job has to balance their personal needs with the responsibilities of their job, which include creating an equitable and respectful working environment for their employees, in no small part because they have a responsibility not to get their company fucking sued for discrimination. You know that if a female manager tried to set rules like “I will not speak 1-on-1 with male employees, they have to bring a female co-worker with them to spea…
/r/MensRights31/05/26 11:37 PM
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What do you think I misunderstood
/r/MensRights31/05/26 10:59 PM
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Yeah, of course that shit is stupid. What does that have to do with the thing we're actually talking about?
/r/MensRights30/05/26 06:20 PM
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Probably depends on what we're talking about. I do believe that women are raped more often than they falsely accuse men of rape. But I don't believe that it would be acceptable for a female boss to impose a different set of rules on male employees because of her personal fear of being raped in the workplace. I also don't think it would be appropriate for me to say that you are probably a rapist and ask how many women you've raped, and I think that if I did do that, you would have a right to be u…
/r/MensRights30/05/26 06:11 PM
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Okay... I mean i disagree with your premise, but I'm not sure you believe it either, I can tell you're taking rhetoric about rape and making it about false accusations to try to, I don't know, rage bait or make a point or something. You're very clever. Let's put that aside and get back to my main point. It doesn't matter what sounds like a great idea on your internet forum, if you try this in real life, you are getting sued. That's just reality. Despite not agreeing with the premise that women f…
/r/MensRights30/05/26 05:58 PM
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Absolutely insane thing to say to a stranger, good luck with... whatever you have going on.
/r/MensRights30/05/26 05:43 PM
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Yeah, I don't think that would be acceptable either, and if you're going to tell me it's already happening, I'm going to need a hefty source.
/r/MensRights30/05/26 02:57 PM
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Because I love to argue on reddit, as clearly you do as well. Also this one has gotten under my skin a bit because I am SO clearly correct, and I have to assume that people know that because of the extent to which not a single person has attempted to make a substantive argument against my point. Everyone is downvoting, people like you are calling me crazy insults and being absurdly rude and condescending, but no one has genuinely tried to argue that the situation from the original post is not wo…
/r/MensRights30/05/26 02:07 PM
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? The idea of a woman being required to find a male employee to chaperone her to meetings with her boss is not a hypothetical. It is the literal situation in the literal post that is being discussed. I cannot emphasize this enough: that is not a hypothetical, it just is the situation. The hypothetical I am referring to is adapting the same situation to apply to race, or sexual orientation, or to if the genders were reversed. And obviously I didn't make those up to get mad at, because if anything…
/r/MensRights30/05/26 02:04 PM
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Wait, seriously? Dude, I addressed this in one of my last comments to you. Let me quote myself: "In this case, the manager is refusing to meet with one group of employees in the same fashion that they meet with all other employees." I went on to amend my hypothetical to be clear that I did not believe that OP was suggesting that male managers should never meet with women in a professional capacity, just that male managers require that such meetings happen in the company of a chaperone. I specifi…
/r/MensRights30/05/26 01:52 PM
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Please explain to me where you think I'm misinterpreting this argument. So far you have made zero attempts at engaging with the substance of this discussion, and I would love to have a real discussion with you if you can do that.
/r/MensRights30/05/26 01:28 PM
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I trusted that you could infer what I meant because I didn't want to type it all out for the sake of my hypothetical, but sure, I will. In this case, the manager is refusing to meet with one group of employees in the same fashion that they meet with all other employees. A manager cannot require that a Black employee obtain a white chaperone in order to meet with them. A manager cannot not require that a gay employee obtain a straight chaperone in order to meet with them. And a manager cannot req…
/r/MensRights30/05/26 01:18 PM
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Look man, I don’t know what attorneys you’re getting your information from, but you’re actually not allowed to set a different set of rules in the workplace for how you are willing to engage with your employees on the basis of a demographic like sex. That’s it. This is so basic I can’t believe how hard I’m having to argue it. It would be discrimination for a manager to refuse to meet with a Black employee because they’re uncomfortable being alone with Black people, it would be discrimination for…
/r/MensRights30/05/26 12:46 PM
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Women asked for sexual harassment at work to be taken seriously. I’m sorry that this happened and that male bosses aren’t allowed to commit sex discrimination against their female subordinates in retaliation. You seem like a really pleasant person.
/r/MensRights30/05/26 12:30 PM
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I’m sorry, if you are genuinely trying to argue to me right now that it would be acceptable for a corporate manager to stipulate that their gay employees must bring a chaperone in order to speak to them to make sure that nothing sexual happens, then you are cooked. I’m sorry, there is nothing else to say. It’s not even about ethics, it’s about having a basic understanding of how any of this works. I cannot express to you the scale of discrimination settlement the employee would be looking at in …
/r/MensRights30/05/26 11:41 AM
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This comment is genuinely incoherent. What is my fantasy? What demographics are you talking about? Are you saying that I’m wrong and if a female manager set those rules for male employees, or a male manager set those rules for gay employees, you would consider it totally fine?
/r/MensRights30/05/26 10:20 AM
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If a female manager in a corporate space said that all male employees must find a female chaperone in order to come to her office, but female employees could speak to her 1-on-1, everyone in this sub would recognize that it created a discriminatory work environment for male employees. In either case, a manager has a right to feel safe, but not at the cost of creating an inequitable work environment for a specific demographic of employee. It would also not be okay, for example, if a manager tried…
/r/MensRights30/05/26 10:11 AM
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Yeah, and everyone on the legal advice sub agrees with me that this is crazy and she has action to sue. At any rate, if this isn't discriminatory and won't impact these employees' experience at work, then why is everyone here so resistant to the idea of making the policy gender neutral? Edit: Also, you've provided absolutely no reason why what I said isn't true. Would you like to try to give a real rebuttal that engages with the points I made?
/r/MensRights30/05/26 08:16 AM
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Yeah, but even putting aside any other differences we could name, they’re clearly not the same in terms of impact, right? A female patient wanting to have a friend in the room while she gets a pelvic exam doesn’t affect the doctor’s ability to do his job. A boss setting a rule that female employees (and only female employees) must find a male coworker to accompany them to his office creates a discriminatory work environment where female employees have a harder time completing their work and func…
/r/MensRights30/05/26 06:11 AM
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None of them are analogous to the situation we’re discussing. The examples you gave (which again, I haven’t commented on agreeing one way or another, because I consider it a distraction from the meat of the conversation) are about hiring or the contract of freelance workers. That’s different from this discussion, which is about how you can treat corporate employees of different demographics that have already been hired into the same positions. In that context, you cannot choose to treat one grou…
/r/MensRights30/05/26 05:04 AM
-33

You’re asking how talking to an employee at work is different than a sensitive medical procedure?
/r/MensRights30/05/26 04:51 AM
-27

None of the latter things you mentioned are relevant to the point I’m making, so I don’t feel like commenting on them. If a female manager required that male employees find and bring a female chaperone in order to speak to her, or said that male employees cannot engage with her in the casual manner that female employees are able to, I would also consider that discriminatory and a hostile environment that needs to be shut down by HR. You simply cannot create a corporate environment in which one d…
/r/MensRights30/05/26 04:49 AM
-51

This is obviously discriminatory and creates a hostile work environment. Easy fix, any manager wanting to do this needs to impose the same rules across the board. No closed door meetings at all. Edit: Keep the downvotes coming, it will not change the fact that any man who tries this at work is 100% inviting a lawsuit against himself and the company, the very thing he was trying to prevent. Your fear does not outweigh your employees’ rights not to be discriminated against at work.
/r/MensRights30/05/26 03:47 AM
-1

What’s stopping men from turning to gay camming or prostitution?
/r/MensRights11/05/26 03:43 AM
9

Just to add some details from the article… the prosecution determined she wasn’t at fault for the crash, only for fleeing the scene. She was also sentenced to three months in prison suspended for 12 months; I’m unclear if that means she’ll have to go to prison in a year or if the prison time will be waived if she doesn’t get in trouble again and completes the other details of her sentence. Still seems low tbh—the maximum penalty for this crime would be 6 months.
/r/MensRights07/05/26 03:42 AM
1

Are you high? If there was a button you could press that would make conscription gender neutral while eliminating all other instances of structural misogyny, every feminist on earth would press it. You need to understand that feminists oppose adding women to the draft because feminists oppose the draft across the board. Anyway, again, you simply have a view of gender relations that is unmoored from reality, there is no use in my continuing to argue with you.
/r/MensRights05/05/26 01:41 AM
-1

I could write a list just like yours from a woman's perspective, where I list every possible disadvantage of being a woman and ignore all the possible disadvantages of being a man. You are extremely wrong if you really think that there aren't lots of women who would trade women's place in society for men's in a heartbeat. The grass is always greener. Honestly, your comment made me sad because you're clearly in a lot of pain, but I don't think that fixating on every possible way that you could be…
/r/MensRights04/05/26 02:23 AM
1

I don’t want to deprive any living child of a parent. But it’s 2026, there are hundreds of thousands of adults raised by single mothers and single fathers and gay couples, and we know they turn out fine. It’s important that a child is loved and taken care of, not that have a traditional nuclear family. To build off this point, yesterday I listened to the most recent episode of the New York Times Modern Love podcast, interviewing a woman who had learned that her mother had gotten pregnant at 18 a…
/r/MensRights03/05/26 01:15 AM
-2

You have an overly-idealistic view of what it’s like to be a woman.
/r/MensRights03/05/26 12:54 AM
1

Woah, it’s really impressive that you managed to communicate this from the 1950s. Did you post this on a gramaphone?
/r/MensRights03/05/26 12:42 AM
-15

You are making a lot of assumptions about someone you know nothing about. You need to work on your clearly seething resentment.
/r/MensRights02/05/26 06:20 PM
3

You see a widow with a small child screaming and getting into a physical altercation with someone trying to take her husband and you assume there can’t possibly be emotion there? How little empathy do you have?
/r/MensRights02/05/26 06:04 PM
-14

I'm too busy now to respond in full to this but I'll get back to you. That having been said, I do appreciate your point that feminism is a social movement of which academic feminism is only a part.
/r/MensRights24/04/26 12:34 AM
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My point in that comment is not that that's the only critique of feminism I can imagine. It's that I often see isolated incidents presented *in this subreddit* as evidence that disproves feminism, when feminism is an attempt at a systemic analysis that will not adequately explain the gender dynamics of every individual real-world incident. My point in that comment is actually that, in my view, the men's rights movement has, so far, failed at proving the existence of systemic misandry by providin…
/r/MensRights24/04/26 12:24 AM
13

I can jump in here — I'm pretty sure that the study asked men about their experiences with past relationships but didn't restrict the survey to heterosexual men or ask men to report the gender of the partner(s) in question.
/r/MensRights23/04/26 11:06 PM
-28

Okay, two things related to study interpretation. First, if you ran the same study with women, you would probably also find that women were more likely to report experiencing IPV than perpetrating it, purely on the grounds that we're looking at self-reported data. Second, it's hard to claim the finding of this study is "women are twice as violent than men" when, as far as I can tell, the study asks no questions related to sexual orientation/partners' gender. Overall, it's best not to use studies…
/r/MensRights23/04/26 11:02 PM
-2

I have no thoughts on why her account was banned by reddit; I don't think either of us can claim to know that. I'm not so interested in discussing the veracity of this particular rape claim as I am the cruelty of the comment I responded to and the assumption that anyone who claims to have assaulted multiple times must be a liar, when that is a real group of people that 1) exists; 2) is statistically likely to exist; and 3) have experienced some of the worst that life has to offer. I'm a bit conf…
/r/MensRights22/04/26 03:26 PM
-2

What are you talking about? It's like an extremely well-known finding that being raped or abused, especially as a child, increases your likelihood of being raped or abused again in the future. And the reasons for this become obvious if you think about it.
/r/MensRights22/04/26 04:45 AM
2

The real answer is because the word incel is almost always used in reference to a specific online subculture that is near-exclusively male. When people say incel, they aren't referring to the general concept of a person who doesn't have sex, they are referring to the subculture that grew up around men who identified with that term.
/r/MensRights19/04/26 03:32 AM
1

I take “criticism” in this context to effectively mean negative speech. I chose the n-word because it’s probably the most clear cut example in our culture of something that we agree is off the table for acceptable speech, and I prefer not to get dragged into a secondary argument based on examples. If I instead chose the example that, for instance, it’s socially unacceptable to criticize Black culture as overly violent, it feels like SOMEONE is going to swoop in and try to defend their right to s…
/r/MensRights16/04/26 03:05 PM
1

I didn't think it was witty. I don't really think a post like this deserves a witty response tbh Edit: even if you block me, I can still see your response! LMAO okay, you keep telling yourself that too. My mind is surely simple and bigoted for not entertaining the idea that women are cancers to society that must be dominated for their own good. Surely I'M the bigoted one here.
/r/MensRights13/04/26 06:25 PM
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>I'm not the kind of guy who wants to control people. I have no interest in feeling superior or being followed or any of that. I don't look down on women. This isn't a post about how women are crazy. Keep telling yourself that, buddy.
/r/MensRights13/04/26 01:10 PM
1

I don't like when the quote is Nazi propaganda.
/r/MensRights11/04/26 04:58 PM
1

So? I consider it a general courtesy to make someone aware when they're quoting Nazi propaganda. Your choice to continue to use it is up to you. Edit: Okay, actually, I lost the IDGAF war, and I am going to make a longer point. I think realizing that the phrase is so vague that it can be taken to mean "Jews are the oppressors because you're not allowed to criticize the narrative of the Holocaust," and in fact originated with this meaning, should cause you to question whether this sentiment actua…
/r/MensRights10/04/26 03:00 PM
-1

Yeah... for future reference, I don't know that I would repeat that. The origin of that quote is Kevin Alfred Strom, a Holocaust denier who, in that quote, was most likely trying to argue the antisemitic conspiracy theory that Jewish people secretly control the world by pointing out that other people get mad at you when you deny the Holocaust. Here's the first few sentences of his Wikipedia page: "Kevin Alfred Strom (born 1956) is an American white nationalist and neo-Nazi from Virginia who foun…
/r/MensRights10/04/26 12:47 PM
1

>Your point was still an ad hominem because you were saying that I had zero brain cells as one of the criteria for which my argument is invalid. Okay, once again... I was using "0 braincells" as an elaborate synonym for stupid. I was saying your argument is stupid. That's not an ad hominem attack. It would help you to just say you think I was being rude instead of trying to apply a term that doesn't apply here. >Using personal insults is one of the quickest ways to invalidate your argument among…
/r/MensRights04/04/26 07:18 AM
1

An ad hominem attack is an attack that focuses on the person making it rather than the argument itself. "0 braincell way of understanding taxes" is clearly calling the argument itself stupid, not you. You can say what I said was rude, which it was, but it wasn't ad hominem. I agree with you that we can debate what should and should not be paid for by taxes. But your comment made it seem like the determining factor should be whether the entire population is going to use a service, which is absurd…
/r/MensRights04/04/26 12:50 AM
1

This is such a 0 braincell way of understanding taxes. There is nothing, including roads, paid for by taxes and that every single taxpayer uses. There will always be someone who could ask to opt out. You may not use schools directly by sending a child there, but you benefit indirectly by living in a society where children are educated and have somewhere to go everyday instead of the alternative.
/r/MensRights04/04/26 12:32 AM
4

Days since someone argued a pro-rape position on this sub: back to zero.
/r/MensRights18/03/26 06:12 PM
3

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/r/MensRights12/03/26 02:39 AM
0

I'm not trying to justify it; detainees should be strip searched (if they have to be strip searched at all, we could probably have a conversation about that) by members of the same sex to make them more comfortable, and no officer should be allowed to assault a prisoner. I'm trying to explain the likely circumstances that lead to the situation that you are upset about, which is more complicated than the easy answer of "because society doesn't care about men," which I think in this case is an exa…
/r/MensRights12/03/26 02:36 AM
1

I mean, we as a society generally disapprove of calling other people names. Does that mean there was an evolutionary reason to avoid doing so? Maybe, but that reason (weakens your social bonds with those around you so makes you less likely to thrive and reproduce) is pretty much exactly the same as the reason we think we disapprove of it today. We don't need evolution to account for why we avoid it.
/r/MensRights12/03/26 01:36 AM
0

This answer might be unsatisfying to you, but I'll do my best. Based on your use of the word inspector, I'm going to guess we're from different countries, so I can't really speak to the law where you live. My guess would be that someone clocked strip searches as a place where male inspectors could sexually exploit female prisoners (in the US, at least, this has definitely happened and led to lawsuits) and made a blanket rule against it without considering whether exploitation could also happen i…
/r/MensRights12/03/26 01:29 AM
1

I'm going to try to give you some constructive feedback here. I'm speaking here more to the real world experiences you've listed, and not the ones in media, which I think are a slightly different matter. It is obvious from this post that you are noticing ways in which you or boys around you have been made sexually vulnerable and are having an emotional reaction to it. This, in itself, is good; recognizing moments in which boundaries are crossed or violence and harassment are excused is a necessa…
/r/MensRights12/03/26 12:39 AM
1

I feel you are being honest about your views, so I'm going to try to engage in good faith. I don't think incest and rape are really comparable in this instance. I agree it makes sense to think evolutionary psychology has something to do with what appear to be near-universal taboos on things like cannibalism and parent or sibling incest, because while we can articulate reasons why those things have negative consequences, their practice seems moreso to be regulated by inclinations out of our contr…
/r/MensRights12/03/26 12:05 AM
5

So to make sure I understand your point, you’re saying that the reason we find rape disturbing, evolutionarily, is because of the possibility of causing pregnancy. This just feels like a totally unproven claim to me. Even if I was convinced our reason for so strongly objecting to rape is rooted in evo psych, isn’t it more direct to assume that the reaction occurs because being raped places one at a violent person’s whims and therefore increases the likelihood of serious injury or death?
/r/MensRights11/03/26 01:32 PM
4

In your perspective, is forced oral or anal sex not rape because it can't produce a child? Genuinely curious
/r/MensRights11/03/26 12:40 PM
5

You seem to not understand what rape is.
/r/MensRights11/03/26 12:34 PM
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Aren't you being a bit disingenuous by framing these as the years men were granted universal suffrage when in a lot of cases they're the year the state was formed or achieved independence, meaning that men had universal suffrage from the earliest opportunity? It makes sense these dates are not that long ago because democracy is not that old. In most of the countries you've listed, women still got the right to vote later than men, so I'm not sure what point this post is proving.
/r/MensRights08/03/26 11:09 PM
4

I don't think most of what you've said here is true. Can you provide a source that single women have access to free pre-natal care withheld from couples?
/r/MensRights08/03/26 10:53 PM
4

What does this have to do with men's rights?
/r/MensRights24/02/26 11:25 PM
1

I searched the pinned statistics doc, and I didn't see a bullet point for rates of child abuse. Can you link?
/r/MensRights24/02/26 03:17 PM
0

Dude, how are you making this ableist ass post in the name of defending disabled men? Yes, disabled guys can sexually harass people, just like they can potentially do any other human activity. And it's a bit disingenuous to say that all of these women are saying that "disabled men are treated better than non-disabled women." They're just saying that disabled men can be sexist; that has nothing to do with how they, themselves, are treated by society. If you encountered a bunch of disabled women m…
/r/MensRights16/02/26 09:45 AM
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I think you guys often seem to believe that the feminist perspective is "every woman is treated worse than every man." That's why you all seem to think that feminism can be debunked by posts like this that try to find isolated incidents of men being treated badly. My point is that patriarchy (which is the concept at the heart of feminism) is a view on the structure of society that is robust enough to be applied to many different phenomena, including something like homophobia against gay men and …
/r/MensRights12/01/26 07:47 AM
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Kind of a shallow take on this topic. No one believes that gay men and lesbians were treated exactly the same through history; the feminist view on this would be that homophobia manifests differently toward gay men and lesbians in ways that are motivated by other gender dynamics. Actually, feminists would probably argue that misogyny is the reason homophobia is so extreme toward gay men.
/r/MensRights12/01/26 06:53 AM
5

I actually agree with the other commenter who replied to this, I think my original comment was probably overly dismissive of the idea that men could feel violated by this type of imagery (without, like, making it a gay thing). Both men and women are hurt by sexual exploitation, and I don't really see why your argument doesn't apply to other forms of abuse. By your logic, as long as someone isn't offended by something, then no one can be. For example, you might ask someone, why does it hurt you w…
/r/MensRights02/01/26 11:42 AM
5

Let me try to explain this one. The first time I remember really feeling the emotion of violation was after I had a car broken into and several items stolen. Before that, I wouldn't have imagined that I would feel that way; after all, the theft was only the loss of some items. But violation is the feeling that occurs when something that should belong to you is taken by another person, who in doing so shows you that they do not care about you or your rights to it. It is the knowledge that other p…
/r/MensRights02/01/26 11:11 AM
2

Oh man, I just lost the entire comment I had typed to you. Here's the gist, although probably put less carefully than I would like: Don't disagree about the banning, but I actually consider myself a more earnest member of this subreddit than you would imagine. I partially commented because I think it's overall bad for the men's rights movement to become a space in which sexual harassment is encouraged or delegitimized as a concept. My point doesn't really have anything to do with the broad conce…
/r/MensRights02/01/26 10:34 AM
-1

I'm not going to try this experiment on social media because I recognize that creating non-consensual porn of someone is sexual harassment, and I'd prefer not to engage in that. For one thing, once those images are out there, they're out there forever. You even acknowledge in your post that those images could have serious consequences for a woman's professional or personal relationships; that's still true once the image is out there, even if wasn't generated for that specific purpose. Also, I ci…
/r/MensRights02/01/26 08:01 AM
-3

"It's also interesting how most men themselves would probably shrug if a partially undressed fake image was created of them, even if the result was unflattering." You might not like it if you got into a fight with a beefy gay guy and he generated a nude photo of you positioning yourself submissively to communicate that he doesn't have to take you seriously because you're just a hole to him. That's more analogous to what's happening to women here than whatever it is you're imagining. In fact, if …
/r/MensRights02/01/26 07:16 AM
1

I don't think that people commonly believed that giving birth was painless in 2005...
/r/MensRights02/01/26 06:57 AM
1

"This part of your body is meant to stretch and allow your baby’s head and body to pass through without trauma. But it’s very common for your vagina to tear. Up to 90% of women who give birth will have some tearing during a vaginal delivery." https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/21212-vaginal-tears-during-childbirth
/r/MensRights02/01/26 06:56 AM
1

What is the best faith interpretation of your argument? "Women have a natural propensity to prefer other women, which we should assume means they will always discriminate against men when in positions of power, and therefore we should organize to create a system in which only men are elected to government positions"? Do you see how your end point, in which only one sex serves in the government, is way more extreme than what you're opposing?
/r/MensRights01/01/26 04:16 AM
-1

I can't access the full text of this article, which is unfortunate since I'd be interested in reading the experiment design. But I assume that this finding mostly pertains to interpersonal relationships, which I'm not sure can be applied directly to the idea of governance. But regardless, my point is that if you're offended by the unfairness of male politicians not being elected on the basis of sex, it's a bit hypocritical to argue that women politicians not be elected on the basis of sex.
/r/MensRights01/01/26 03:11 AM
2

I'm not sure that really refutes my point TBH. Of course both men and women talk about negative experiences they've had while dating and acknowledge that romantic partners can be selfish or hurtful. That's fine. But if a straight woman told me that she could never have a boyfriend because the vast majority of men just want to use women for sex, to the extent that even if she got married she wouldn't trust that her husband wasn't secretly manipulating her and planning to leave her for a younger w…
/r/MensRights01/01/26 02:27 AM
14

Could you link to the studies you are talking about? That would be helpful
/r/MensRights31/12/25 11:05 AM
-12

And is there no in-group bias in saying that men should only vote for male leaders?
/r/MensRights31/12/25 09:41 AM
1

Respectfully: if you believe this of women, you do not view them as human beings who feel things the same way you do. I would work on that.
/r/MensRights31/12/25 09:33 AM
1

Yes, a woman's body releases endorphins when having a baby. But, extremely obviously, positive hormones do not provide enough of a pain relieving effect to negate the presence of pain when your vagina is being torn open, the same way taking a Tylenol beforehand isn't going to stop you from feeling pain when you hit your thumb with a hammer. Also, it's not good practice to make an absolutely wild claim and when asked for a source say "there are hundreds of sources" without providing one.
/r/MensRights31/12/25 09:17 AM
-1

Dude, what is this scenario where the monolithic evil feminists all attack you in the same unreasonable way over a minor stylistic choice? You are, in internet parlance, making up a woman to get mad at. Just write the book and don’t worry about something that hasn’t happened yet.
/r/MensRights31/12/25 03:51 AM
1

I'm not sure why you think you get to redefine terms that have an academic and cultural consensus. Go try to explain to a random person on the street that the suffragists weren't actually feminists and the first wave started in the 60s and see how far that gets you. The rest of your argument is too stupid to be worth responding to.
/r/MensRights12/12/25 05:50 PM
1

That’s second-wave feminism, dumbass.
/r/MensRights12/12/25 05:09 AM
5

I don't think the Australian first wave feminist movement began in the 1960s either.
/r/MensRights09/12/25 04:35 AM
8

People generally agree the American feminist movement began with the Seneca Falls Convention of 1848. The birth control pill was approved by the FDA in 1960. I think your timeline might be off.
/r/MensRights09/12/25 03:56 AM
1

I don't think male actors would like it if they were expected to sleep with producers to advance their careers. I don't think the men at Fox News would like it if they couldn't be hired without looking a certain way. If you failed at your career, I'm not sure you would find it a super appealing alternative to have sex with women you're not attracted to for money. Overall, I think you see this as something that solely benefits women and are overlooking the ways it harms women and benefits men.
/r/MensRights05/12/25 07:16 AM
0

"They are not the states children they are the parents." They are citizens of the state. There are two positions here — either you believe a state has a responsibility to make sure its child citizens are fed, educated, clothed, etc., or you believe the state has no such responsibility. Either position is valid, and you clearly believe the second one, but my point is that you must take a position in this argument, because the welfare exists and is justified on the basis of the child it provides f…
/r/MensRights22/10/25 09:42 PM
0

"Feminists like to say "men don't have a right to sex" which is true, however surely by the same token women don't have an automatic right to a child (or the long term commitment or resources neccessary to bring one up)" This is false equivalency. The correct analogue to "men don't have a right to sex" is "women don't have a right to sex." And neither sex has the automatic right to a child in the sense that, for example, the state is not required to make children available for adoption just beca…
/r/MensRights22/10/25 04:21 AM
-1

I have already provided examples of characters I think fit. The guy who offers her the substance at the beginning of the movie, and who is seen as old later in the movie, is not evil. He's clearly motivated by the exact same insecurities as Demi Moore. However, I will accept the point that he, arguably, plays a villain role in the plot by facilitating her taking the substance. I also don't think her date is portrayed as stupid; I think he's portrayed as provincial in comparison to Demi Moore, wh…
/r/MensRights16/10/25 05:02 AM
1

You are correct, there is no male character in The Substance who is portrayed as both intelligent and morally-upstanding. There are no female characters portrayed that way either. It is a dark comedy horror movie in which every character is overtly flawed. I want you to think about how you would feel arguing with a woman claiming that a movie is sexist because it doesn't feature a strong female character that she personally can relate to.
/r/MensRights16/10/25 04:35 AM
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i mean, yeah, he is kind a caricature, The Substance is not a subtle movie. But I don’t think having a character caricature a sexist movie exec, a type of person who exists in real life, makes the movie unforgivably misandrist, any moreso than a movie would be unforgivably misogynist for featuring a caricature of, say, a vapid female influencer.
/r/MensRights15/10/25 09:05 AM
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I mean, it’s been a while since I’ve seen it, but I just think you’re reading your own perceptions into the movie a bit. Again, the guy who asks out Demi Moore is not a villain, he’s a little clueless but it’s because that’s what she needs, she need a nice guy who doesn’t have the same Hollywood brainrot that she has about people‘s value. What about the guy who offers her The Substance, who is old later in the movie? He’s not really a villain either, he’s a man with the exact same insecurities t…
/r/MensRights15/10/25 06:06 AM
-8

Is your view of media truly that you think any single depiction of a man being sexist toward women is actually sexism toward men? You wouldn’t buy that argument from feminists, if they said that any depiction of sexism toward men in a movie makes the movie misogynistic. Anyway, I think you‘re slightly oversimplifying the movie. I‘m not denying that Dennis Quaid’s character is meant to be read as misogynistic, but he’s more of a stand in for Hollywood execs (who are mostly men) than he is for men…
/r/MensRights15/10/25 04:07 AM
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I don't think this has anything to do with the little girl, and I doubt she used the words sexual harrassment. The article says the boy sent multiple notes, including saying her eyes "sparkled like diamonds." It makes sense for any child, boy or girl, to feel uncomfortable receiving overtly romantic attention from another kid in their class, especially once the other students in the class (per the article) started saying the other student wanted to see her naked. It's entirely appropriate for th…
/r/MensRights07/10/25 06:14 PM
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