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Not at all representative of human experience. Really? How about the quality of human experience? Democracy isn’t perfect but it has potential to be improved and so far it has been the most competent at providing for and protecting its citizens. Apparently the French Revolution and the abolitionist movement are inventions as well? We do not build effective governance by going based on what has been most common in the past. We create them by learning from history and our past mistakes and develop…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/19 02:51 PM
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Now you are just being factually incorrect. It doesn’t make sense that men just up and decided to give women the vote. If, as you have claimed, that redpill bs is what what men have believed for centuries, why would they give women the vote? It does a lot to disable the power imbalance between men and women which you and other mysoginists love so much, especially over time, as we have seen. Women gained the vote because they created enough chaos and disorder to claim it, the vote was given to pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/19 02:18 PM
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For someone who claims to love historical evidence, you really need a history lesson- the reason that women are able to participate in democracy is because women protested for the vote in the 1900s. Women have been rebelling for 100s of years, and it has paid off, because in fact the laws they fought for are not only defended by men, but women who hold positions of power as well. Both men and women of decent morality know the importance of treating human beings with dignity- and that is why both…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/19 01:54 PM
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Oh really? Weird. I could have sworn that all the laws that protect my rights and freedoms from disgusting men were real. I’m amazed that I’ve made it this far without being forced into marriage, raped, or burned at the stake.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/19 01:29 PM
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How presumptuous, far from being about pride, it’s about self preservation and protection of boundaries and one’s own best interests. And you’re right, if red pillers had their way, we’d all be chained to our kitchen island and we wouldn’t be able to provide for ourselves because we’d have no choice in the matter. The crux of the problem is not about whether or not the practical barriers in place would prevent us from avoiding men (not really men though- red pillers specifically). The point is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/19 01:23 PM
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Lol what on earth are you trying to argue? Yeah lets just go back to raping people, pedophilia, and following totally abusive relationship standards. Women will hate it but at least we'll get laid! Long live the red pill! Watch yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/19 10:57 AM
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I’m in a healthy relationship and I feel great. I certainly didn’t get here by playing zero sum games in relationships 💅
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/19 04:44 AM
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Haha yes, of course. The forced marriages, arranged marriages, normalization of pedophilia and marriages to pre pubescent and teenage girls, the freedom to beat or rape your wife with no consequences and the inability for women to leave or make their own relationship choices was totally fine, women were completely ok with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/19 04:35 AM
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well if she thinks your attitude to dating is immoral then you probably are incompatible lol 🤷‍♀️ Look who you date is up to you, I’m just saying that if you don’t want to get accused of leading someone on, or you want to avoid drama, you should strive to date people with more similar values. It’s not a crazy suggestion
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 06:13 PM
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All the more reason not to date those women. I don’t agree that all women will react this way. Tbh I have never faulted a guy for not being sure about what he wants with me. On the other hand I’m very decisive and I usually just screen those guys out, additionally I’m not very drawn to them. Straight forwardness and directness has always been very attractive to me in a man. You should consider screening for people who are more like you. 90% of the stuff I say on this forum boils down to “screen …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 05:52 PM
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This is something that people debate about. I have read redpill content that states that women are logically/intellectually inferior to men, I have seen them compared to children, and I have seen these arguments used to bolster justifications for treating them as inferior (ie disregarding their agency) so yes I am of the opinion that trp doesn’t care for the agency of other people, because that is what I have witnessed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 05:41 PM
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Of course you can date people for the purpose of discovering what your intentions are for them, it’s only fair since you don’t know them yet. Regardless, people have certain intentions, expectations, desires right from the outset regardless of who they are dating, which predetermine intent to some degree. A persons idea of what they want from a relationship will interact with how they feel about a given person they are getting to know to create context dependant intent. Isome people are just goi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 05:35 PM
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It depends on the individual, their desires and what’s worth it for them. there probably are women who only care about sex and nothing else. Majority of the guys on the thread seem to think this is how all women are- we are arguing that actually these women are a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 05:26 PM
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Exactly, which is why these women will exercise their agency and refuse to enter, or will break up a relationship where their partner has no regard for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 05:19 PM
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Not automatically, what you do is a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 05:06 PM
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They’re saying that even if attraction to men persists if rp is normalized it is still not worthwhile to get into a relationship with one who treats you like garbage- ie you don’t have agency in the relationship bc there’s no room to exercise agency when your partner has no regard for it. So women will not pursue men regardless of their hormones bc the risks outweigh the benefits
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 05:05 PM
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Maybe you should set higher standards about who you date. instead of worrying about girls, focus on yourself and your goals and you will attract better people who like you for you and the great qualities you’ve cultivated in yourself and won’t play games. I agree with the sentiment that dating in this social/cultural climate is hard and I don’t envy single people. It’s a mistake to say that only men suffer for it. When you least expect it you will probably meet a girl who feels the same way as y…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 03:48 PM
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So far you have been wrong about everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 03:35 PM
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Ahh common sense... music to my ears.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 03:18 PM
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Oh my god. He actually thinks I’m an old lady. 🤣🤣🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 03:16 PM
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“Women are never into men for the “bond”” wrong. “Acting like rp douche excites them, being loving doesn’t” wrong “Most women can turn off their feelings and jump to another man in an instant” Lmao what? I thought women were “too emotional”. y’all need to make up your minds lol “Guys are going to act like pick up artists and you’ll never commit to one- average girl would love this” 🤢🤮 “Most women are willing to provide for themselves and go out every weekend for endless fun than stay at home at …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 03:06 PM
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It’s not going to become mainstream, there are too many critical thinking and morally superior men in the world for them all to get corrupted by bitter internet dogma. Also many men don’t share the motives that the red pill assumes they must all have by lumping them all together like they’re the same, so they haven’t even all got any use for it. In some weird alternative universe where trp was mainstream, I already have a boyfriend who speaks freely with me about these topics and he has very str…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 02:53 PM
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It holds up indefinitely, indefinitely waxing and waning. The most important thing is how things go down in bed, and if my man finds me desirable. If that’s going well, and he continues to care for himself, it shouldn’t be a problem
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 02:02 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 02:01 AM
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Taking the red pill. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 01:50 AM
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When I was younger- no, not ready for marriage, still discovering relationships Now- yes. I am mature enough to know what I want now and I’m prioritizing that. There is no point in being in a relationship who doesn’t have the same goal- it’s incompatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/19 03:17 AM
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“This is good for me” I’ve got bad news for you. Self awareness step #1: people live their lives according to what they want, not what you want. People, male or female, have a right to pursue an education and a career if they’d like to. Whether that means there are fewer 16 yr old girls in the dating pool for you to prey on is irrelevant. You will have to make do with what’s there. Unfortunately for you, many women are not trying to maximize their smv or whatever because attracting weird redpill…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/19 02:37 AM
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Tbh I’m not a man and don’t know what it’s like to be one, I think it’s a flawed question bc I can’t insert myself into that perspective My best answer would be: 1) try not to worry about it too much, these things usually come when you least expect it and are not overly obsessed with it 2) focus on self development and goals- by improving ourselves we become the best version of ourselves and we naturally attract people who are well matched to that superior self. But this advice isn’t any differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/19 02:28 AM
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Do you have such a crude understanding of human motivation that we are just wild animals who are driven solely by our biological drives? Just because you are a slave to your bodily impulses, doesn’t mean that everyone else is. I don’t see how it necessarily follows from a biological capability to produce sperm continuously that men therefore SHOULD be having babies with everyone woman he encounters. This is a bit of a leap. Many men have no motive to do this even if they are horny. If you can co…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 02:44 PM
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Tbh neither of these definitions are really true to either theory. So my answer is no
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 04:46 AM
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Lol it’s not “common knowledge”, it’s your opinion. Everyone has their own sexual interests and priorities. Having dabbled, my boyfriend has absolutely no desire to sleep around. It’s a big part of why I respect him so much. He actually told me that prior to the start of our commitment he was offered a threesome by two models he met at a party. He turned them down because I was the only girl I wanted to be with. I feel bad for girls who settle for less, they are really missing out. Here’s a bett…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 04:42 AM
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"Debate about crying"? :s God i hope not, why would any man want to date a woman who doesnt let him express emotion? tbh if a guy just didn’t cry ever in his life, I’d be wary of some sort of personality disorder I like a guy who has a distinctive fashion sense, not basic. It’s attractive to me if a guy has a clearly defined image of himself in his mind and uses clothing to convey that effectively. It displays two positive traits: 1) confidence and a clear self conception and 2) competence in pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 04:11 AM
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I genuinely thought this was satire. You people are caricatures of yourselves
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 03:36 AM
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This kind of attitude is exactly what makes red pillers so unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 03:10 AM
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Comments like this restore my faith in humanity
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 02:41 AM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 02:11 AM
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Shaming isn’t healthy, except maybe in extreme cases, for example if you prevent someone with violent or psychopathic tendencies from acting on them through shame and socialization. Even then it’s not really healthy, it’s just better than the alternative. Tbh, I have had multiple sexual partners and people are still attracted to me... you don’t suddenly turn green and spotty when you have more than one sex partner lol. and I’m in a serious long term relationship right now, have been for years. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 04:32 PM
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I hope you feel better
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 08:06 PM
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We are talking about self esteem, not feelings
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 02:59 PM
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Whatever I don’t even have social media lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/19 11:20 PM
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Yes. Can’t speak for everyone though
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/19 04:46 AM
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This is a no brainer. Male validation has no impact on my self esteem positively or negatively, unless it comes from a special man in my life I have feelings for (currently my boyfriend). So I’d go with the latter
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/19 04:43 AM
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You guys are hilarious. misogyny = fundamentally devaluing women. Lmfao, case closed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 01:40 AM
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Lmfao. Finally, a likeminded person
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/19 05:21 AM
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Wow. I’ll be honest: I wasn’t expecting a comment this realistic and mature. I’m sorry for being so hard on you. I am the kind of person who is (to an extent) too easily a product of their surroundings, in that I absorb them- my attitude is a direct reflection of what’s problematic about this sub and the ideas within it. Not that that’s an excuse. The last thing I want to do is discourage someone who makes an effort to be decent in their interactions with others. Sometimes it’s easy to forget th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/19 05:09 AM
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This. You are so right and yep that’s how I feel. They are two sides of the same coin
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/19 04:58 AM
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This is Ok, but this does not prove that every time a woman does not act according to awalt, that it is necessarily because she is ignoring her own feelings because of external influences
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 09:41 PM
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Actions are a direct reflection of who people are. If someone gives big tips to servers, it doesn’t make sense to make the claim that this person is stingy. “They are actually really stingy, they’re just not acting like it”. This doesn’t make sense. Awalt is not reliable.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 09:06 PM
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All I want is for people to talk about the the things op has actually brought up, which you are still not doing. There’s nothing to really dodge here because I’m simply trying to facilitate a discussion about a certain topic, I’m not sure why you’re commenting on a topic you’re not interested in
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 09:02 PM
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I am not really that invested in participating in this debate as you appear to be, I’m merely interested in moving things along and ensuring that the debate actually happens and that people are responding to actual claims being made, rather than detracting from it by making irrelevant points and creating unnecessary work, which seems to happen a lot on this forum. I am interested in Awalt though. If this is your definition of awalt then you haven’t refuted my claim that Awalt is deductively fals…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 08:59 PM
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but OP's post is discussing the broad issues, not the personal ones. You can make your own thread about why women should be afraid of the red pill or whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 08:42 PM
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What does his have to do with anything? This is irrelevant. We are talking about the argument op is making. You can address to argument or not. When people make a post on a subreddit the point is to discuss to content of the post. If youd like to complain about women you can get a diary to write in, or go to the red pill forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 08:12 PM
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Just because you cannot see something doesnt negate its existance. Some people have been lead into sexual assault following their introduction to the red pill. Also hurting people doesn't neccesarily have to be constituted by physical harm. Op has made claims about how trp leads to radicalization and has provided evidence with sources. Sittimg here and saying things like "how are they being radicalized? I dont see it" is an irrelevant answer when she has already provided examples in her post. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 07:50 PM
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Lmao, If the biggest concern in your life is having less white women around for you to enjoy then you can cry me a river for all I care. The world is not here to cater specifically to your desires and preferences above bottom line issues. This is the trademark characteristic of a narcissist. It is up to you to fulfill your desires within the parameters you’ve been given. Here’s a tip: if you want more white women in your life, try not to whine and complain about their absence. It doesnt exactly …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 07:08 PM
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The entire argument of her post is that radical ideas are bad because they lead to radicalization. You should care because radicalization leads to political violence, which hurts people. I don’t know how to explain to you that you should care about people. The theory does not accurately describe sexual dynamics because Awalt is deductively false. If it leads someone down a wrong path it actually becomes everyone else’s problem by virtue of having to deal with the bad behaviour of someone else. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 06:59 PM
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You make great points. I think you have take some part of my argument too strongly- I am not trying discourage people from bettering their odds, It would be foolish not to do this. I’m merely trying to discourage people from trying to control others on the false premise that they even can. People here seem to have a lot of difficulty drawing that boundary. The problem that I have with trp is that people all too often take it as an excuse to make underhanded immoral choices in their interactions,…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 03:21 PM
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In propositional logic, rules are accurate all the time. Deductive reasoning does not have a margin of error the way inductive does. Awalt is a generalization, it’s inductive reasoning. Men who subscribe to awalt are merely ruling out their chance to meet “a unicorn”, by adopting risk aversion- or to put it more bluntly, fear. I don’t know why people are so easily convinced that they can control their relationships. This is incredibly naive, and the red pill would do well not to sell its members…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 12:27 PM
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But this doesn’t answer my question. I am trying to determine the value of awalt as a rule. The prompt is about dumping decent women and claiming awalt. If awalt is taken to apply only to a majority then it doesn’t follow that it should be applied in every circumstance. In the prompt, awalt was mistakenly applied- it has failed the man in this scenario. Therefore, Awalt does not have 100% predictive value. Awalt is bogus.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 03:06 AM
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Just in another thread we were talking about the limitations of AWALT and that this term actually applies only to a majority and not to all women. Based on this reasoning, how can anyone be sure that a woman will “behave in awalt terms inevitably”?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 02:45 AM
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Some people like the idea of “fixing” or “rescuing” someone
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 02:35 AM
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Do you think I’m being sarcastic? There’s no need to apologize. I thought your response was great, People take me as sarcastic when I don’t mean to be. I genuinely don’t know how to correct this behaviour, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 01:52 AM
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Excellent retort. Thank you for the mature and informative response. I wasn’t aware of this rule and it makes sense. Your comment has given me an interesting sense of closure. I can relate to the albino raven. Even a red piller on this forum told me i was an "outlier". Im certainly scarier than the others.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 01:42 AM
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No. If you are using the word “all”, you are definitively not referring to a subset. You are referring to all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 11:52 PM
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Low to moderate smv Popular Intellectual/arty type No car Middle class His bedroom in his parents house He was my high school boyfriend, 3 years he treated me like crap, had a small dick and wasn’t very good in bed. Because he was my first and I had a fucked sense of dogged loyalty and low self esteem (a red pillers ideal) I didn’t realize there was anything better, because I had nothing to compare to, so I stayed with him. Thank god I eventually dumped him so that I could find a healthier relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 11:09 PM
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I respect your self awareness. You can work to improve your insecurity by redefining the way you perceive yourself, rather than making your self-perception dependant on women’s perception of you. Idk what a sub4 male is but it doesn’t sound like a nice thing for a person to believe about themselves. Take action to become the person you want to be. You will surprise yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 10:51 PM
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That depends on how the wearer of the shirt defines nice. “Whatever it means, I don’t want to be it” Well you can rest easy, because the definition is relative, which means you don’t have to hold yourself to any standard because there’s no objective standard being implied.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 10:47 PM
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So you consider looking at another person cheating? Let’s say a gorgeous 6’6 muscular billionaire approached me today. Here are some reasons why I would not cheat on my boyfriend with him, starting from the most to least extreme disqualifying qualities: I know nothing about him. I don’t know if he: - is violent, is a criminal, or a serial killer - is a psychopath, narcissist, has some other mental illness or personality disorder - is abusive, physically, sexually, verbally, financially, emotiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 10:35 PM
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Cold approach - not automatically creepy, at all, in fact in can be very impressive. it depends on context and the social intelligence of the approacher. Nightclubs and bars - I seriously doubt that literally every single woman there just wants to be with her friends every single time she goes out. Work - yes, flirting with someone who is working is generally a bad idea. There are instances where it can be pulled off, but it depends on certain variables and technicalities, and most people lack t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 10:20 PM
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It is impossible to date without some level of blindness. We can only hope to develop and trust our own judgement. I don’t believe in love at first sight. I do believe in attraction or chemistry at first sight. Sometimes it can be particularly potent or noticeable- at which point I will explore the persons personality and intelligence- after that I can figure out if the person is relationship material.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 10:11 PM
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I am a women, I don’t prefer jerks. Therefore you can’t say that women prefer jerks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 10:05 PM
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There may be some behaviours which are encouraged by both pills- this would make it purple, rather than red or blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 09:59 PM
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I think you are making this deeper than it really is. I appreciate honesty. There is no gut level negative reaction to someone telling me I’m beautiful- this is a positive remark and it generates a positive response in me. Of course if some random dude approaches me on a near deserted street in the middle of the night when I’m walking at the speed of light trying to get home safely talking about how beautiful I am, where am I going, can he have my number... hit the road jack, you shouldn’t even …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 09:40 PM
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The problem is that people conflate the estimations as absolute truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 09:26 PM
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So? She is refuting the claim that this a guarantee of promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 09:24 PM
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Blue pill is a byproduct of red pill ideology. The blue pill is defined as being at odds with the red pill. You can’t be red if you are blue. Blue pill dating advice is, therefore, anything that the red pill would not encourage.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 09:20 PM
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Kudos to you for asking a useful question. I’m not sure why people are characterizing any of these as “autistic”. They are simply different approaches to coordinating different types of social events- the best approach to choose is dependant on what your intentions are. So yes- the way you ask will create different results, and the way that the woman feels about you will also influence the results, depending on how you ask The following is my own opinion, I can’t speak for anyone but myself. Doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 08:42 PM
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I would argue that the majority of /people/ lack the qualities you listed above. If there have been women in your life who have hurt then I am deeply sorry. You were not treated the way you deserved. Actually we have more in common than you think- because I have experienced this myself, by a man. This just goes to show that any human being, regardless of gender, has potential to be a bully, or a victim. You need to ask yourself what you are going to let this experience make of you. You can eithe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 01:32 AM
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Really? One of the last guys I spoke to in this hellworld forum was convinced that the entire point of trp was to empower men to fuck as many women as possible. I really have to question what the rp idea of “shitty female nature” is if your doctrine encourages y’all to hard next women over setting boundaries, like this guy did with me. If shitty female nature = a woman who has clear boundaries, haha well... that says a lot about what kind of tilted stage you want your interactions with women to …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/19 03:21 PM
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Woke
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/19 04:52 AM
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Lol, he was putting a lot more effort into the interactions than I was, and I was the one who refused the nude pic. Think what you want, make up whatever little story in your mind caters to your religion... it has no bearing on reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/19 04:52 AM
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Haha. Is this the kind of attitude you use to seduce women? And I’m the insufferable one... I pretty much just skimmed your post because you clearly have no intention of even putting in two minutes of the emotional labor that it takes to understand another persons perspective. Every time I interact with one of you red pillers it’s the same thing: “where are you seeing this? I don’t see it. I don’t know what you’re talking about.” If someone is willing to confront you this passionately about a to…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/19 04:49 AM
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Thankyou for acknowledging this, and your realization is a reflection of self awareness. I think that if you can come to this conclusion on your own this is actually indicative that you don’t need an ideology to navigate some more difficult aspects of female behaviour. But hey, why listen to me? I’m just an oldhag.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/19 04:15 AM
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Thankyou. Typical gaslighting red pill maneuvers 🙄💅
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/19 03:03 AM
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Haha well there is plenty of misogyny in redpill tenets- I could go into greater detail but the way they talk about “bitch management” should be indicative enough, but I’ll get into more in a moment. If you want to turn a blind eye to this than we have nothing to discuss If you and your friends have somehow managed to successfully navigate the choppy waters of a misogynistic cult then congrats! Consider yourself one of the lucky ones. But there is nothing inherent to red pill which guarantees su…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/19 02:52 AM
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No red pill man has ever had success with me. The tenets in the redpill are such that they promote certain values or principles in a man which make it impossible for me to be drawn to him. Red pillers are easy to spot, and I deliberately screen for them- not that I really have to, because I’m in a relationship. But they don’t know that, so they still hit on me, and they’re usually not very charming, nor are they emotionally intelligent. Prior to any of my knowledge of the red pill, there was one…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/19 01:51 AM
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It’s not nonsense. The nonsense is the ideology itself. There are plenty of people it fails. I have witnessed it firsthand. It exists as a byproduct of the flaws and extremism in modern feminism, and perhaps other things I haven’t discovered yet. I’m not sure what you mean by larping.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/19 01:16 AM
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That “part” is literally the entire point of intimacy
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 11:38 PM
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You are on the right track. Except for the part about red pill being helpful to avoid blowing it. For many men, the red pill is the reason they blow it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 11:37 PM
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All of them. Pills explain nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 11:32 PM
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There are no outliers. Only women. I am not special.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 11:25 PM
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Precisely! Just like me. Thank you for proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 11:08 PM
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Yes, because not All Women Are Like That.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 11:01 PM
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It’s not about whether or not you care that I am a woman. You made the claim that women can’t understand the concept of chad. I am refuting this claim by virtue of the fact that I have articulated this understanding in my previous comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 10:48 PM
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You do realize I’m a woman right? I’m a woman and I’m making this argument about the concept of chad. Not that it really matters- Chad is ultimately not a real person, it’s just a red pill fantasy that has nothing to do with reality, just like the rest of the red pill. Guys who fit the profile irl may appear chadly, and may have all the douche maneuvers to back it up, but are secretly overcompensating for insecurity and loneliness, which they feel because they don’t know how to have meaningful c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 10:39 PM
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Im not buying it- they are equally guilty
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 10:18 PM
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You are too kind 🙈 I completely agree with you, the redpill is an ideology constructed to cater to the egos of vulnerable men who have been hurt by cruel or careless women in the past. Because a number of them are gathered in a like minded community, they feel justified, and take it as evidence that their perspectives are universally true. I find it ironic that red pillers group men into two narrow categories (alpha/beta), this does such a disservice to the male psyche, because in reality, peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 08:44 PM
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The descriptions and definitions of chad are derived from the manosphere. Chad doesn’t exist outside the manosphere. Except by coincidence, but my view of humanity is such that even people who seem that way on the surface probably have something deeper going on that we lack access to. The point of my comments here is to try and elucidate to you how absurd it is to take pill ideologies and the ideas within them seriously. They do not apply to reality. This is an ideology that has shifted you away…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 07:16 PM
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Right, kind of like how nothing in rp or ppd are iron clad rules because its pretty much all groupthink. These are definitions of terms invented by other people that i dont neccesarily agree with. Although people in the real world can fit the descriptions, chad isnt a real concept lol, so when we get into conversations about what chad is in real life, it falls apart, because human beings are not weird stereotypes that people invent online, they are individuals with unique personalities. Speaking…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 06:45 PM
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Under the heading "manosphere" in the link: " Due to their characterization as being genetically gifted and privileged, though sometimes depicted as shallow, airheaded, arrogant, and overtly sexual[9], the term Chad is used in both a pejorative and complimentary way on incel forums" Chad is a jerk.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 06:32 PM
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As long as he is kind, works hard, and focuses on his own journey in life ill be happy. Oh and not subscribing to ridiculous pill ideologies lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 06:27 PM
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"Chad" is an invention, or an appropropriation and an expansion of a prior invention by red pill ideology. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad_(slang) Some men irl fit this profile. But note that by the redpill definition, he has to be an arrogant ass engaging in red pill behaviours (whether he's familiar with trp or not) in order ro to qualify as a chad. If you are engaging with men who seem "blue pill" to you, these men either are not really chads but merely decent guys who look like chads, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 06:23 PM
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You are not describing chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 06:09 PM
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Woke
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 05:51 PM
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Nah, they’re all wrong. Subvert the entire enterprise
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 05:51 PM
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The woman determines what her best interests are. Every person determines what their own best interests are. If you are being straightforward about your intentions with women and they decide for themselves that they are still down for casual sex, then you are comparable to the salesperson in my first example, not the people in the redpill. How women want to approach casual sex and commitment varies from person to person. If you are being as straightforward and honest in your interactions with th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 03:17 PM
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Sure, you can call that manipulation. Manipulation itself isn’t inherently bad. A salesperson can manipulate a customer into buying a product for which they will receive a bonus if they sell more of that product. As long as that product is still a good choice for the customers best interests, the manipulation isn’t wrong. The salesperson manipulated the situation in such a way that caters to the best interests of both parties involved. If the salesperson misrepresents the product, or ignores the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 02:38 PM
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I encourage women in my life not to date bad men all the time. It’s only fair that I attack it from both sides, and tell men not to be bad. I also tell men not to date bad women, and tell women not to be bad as well, by the way. it’s only fair. If you have successfully manipulated someone, they are not aware that you have manipulated them. That is by definition what manipulation is. Therefore the nature of manipulation is such that it creates conditions where the the person being manipulated is …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 02:19 PM
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worthwhile point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 01:35 PM
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Who is the “they” you are referring to here?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 01:24 PM
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For many women, in a sexual option is equivalent to a dating option.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 01:22 PM
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You need to read comments more carefully. You are ignoring clear points I have made which safe guard against these criticisms. Not everything revolves around you. Obviously if you are married, this argument doesn’t apply to you, because you’re in an exclusive relationship and aren’t trying to have sex with tons of people (unless you happen to be in a polyamorous marriage of sorts). But the topic of this thread is not about you and your marriage. It’s not personal- I am talking about people who a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 01:21 PM
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Haha yeah “shaming tactics”. How dare I expose people who would intentionally manipulate the emotions of another person for personal gain? I’m definitely the bad guy here. You are serving up some impressive deflection here my dude. I understand that monogamy is not for everyone, and I would never force my preferences on another person. Nevertheless, there are ways to go about casual sex that respects the integrity of the person you are interacting with. If you are treating someone like an object…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 02:55 AM
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That’s assuming that every mans intention is to fuck as many women as possible... gross. I wouldn’t touch a man like that with a ten foot pole. How naive of me to think that coming on here and explaining how empathy works might improve someone’s success with women and relationships. Clearly y’all just want fuck as many hoes as possible!!!!!! Well what would one need empathy for then? Oh right, as a manipulation tactic to get people to sleep with them. That’s just pathetic man...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 01:27 AM
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This is the original prompt. You can refer to my original answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 01:12 AM
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Speaking in generalities will not help a man who is interested in dating a woman, who is an individual, not a generality. Applying social calculus in dating will only get you so far, and may even backfire on you, because dating is about intimacy between individuals with unique characteristics, not “averages”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 01:11 AM
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Yes, and I’m saying that empathizing with the average won’t help you when you’re interacting with someone who’s not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 01:05 AM
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You have a problem with false dichotomies. But more importantly, this is a moot point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 01:03 AM
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No, I’m saying you can’t hope to understand other people if you expect them to all be the same, according to “what research says”. If you take some generic “average” that research gives you and apply it to a number of individuals, you are inevitably going to meet people who don’t fit the average. You have to change your approach according to who you are interacting with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 01:02 AM
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What are you talking about? There is no evidence in that link that he implied that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 01:00 AM
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scientists are still lacking agreement on this one https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/11/brains-men-and-women-aren-t-really-different-study-finds Even if you want to say that men tend to be like this and women tend to be like that- I understand that we need to speak in generalities in order to understand each other, but what about the people who aren’t like that? I already told you I’m more introverted than other people in my life- but this doesn’t exactly fit with your idea that women are mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 12:57 AM
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I’ve already made the argument I wanted to make about the nature of empathy
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 12:03 AM
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I am a woman and I am one the most introverted people I have ever met. Men and women are not inherently this or that way, except maybe in terms of sex characteristics and hormones. Saying that x quality (socially withdrawn) has helped you in doing y thing (relate to women) Is not actually the same as Saying x quality is a necessary condition for doing y thing. It is a fine distinction but an important one. It also is conveniently compatible with the case I have made about empathy re: shared expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 12:01 AM
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If you can’t see the complaining in the thread then idk what to say. In my reality, the sky is blue and idk what colour it is in yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 11:35 PM
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I am ok with what you’ve said here and you have a point. However I stand by my claim that there are plenty of people who may share similar experiences to others, but do not empathize with them, and that there are others who may be able to empathize with people with very few shared experiences. Therefore, a shared experience is still not totally sufficient for empathy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 11:33 PM
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You are the first person to bring up pregnancy and childbirth. The prompt that you posted was about what it takes to empathize with women. I have outlined in my comments what it takes. I have not mentioned pregnancy or childbirth until after you already did. He said that in his experience, being someone who doesn’t want attention all the time has helped him to understand the female perspective. The implication that one has to be socially withdrawn in order to empathize with women does not necess…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 11:28 PM
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Don’t worry buddy, I’m totally chill. The very nature of your post belies a difficulty with empathy, which I have already outlined in my own comment. I don’t fault you for this- but i do fault the redpill rhetoric for fanning the flames of your own destruction in your relations with women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 11:22 PM
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There is plenty of complaining there 🤣 you really are a joker What I don’t understand is this idea that women have unlimited dating options, nor that this is a good thing? Just because I’m a woman doesn’t mean /everyone/ wants to be with me. But what’s more is why is this a good thing? With more choice, there is more work to be done in weeding out people who would be bad for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 11:19 PM
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And apparently you are editing your past comments to make yourself sound smarter after I’ve already made a retort!!! Sheesh. If you are confused about why you have difficulty empathizing with women, perhaps reflecting on your tendency to to manipulate information and how this may effect other people, regardless of gender, could shed some light on the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 11:14 PM
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You keep restating “what we are talking about” as if I am not talking about this. I am talking about this. No one has made the claim that it is impossible for men to empathize with women. You are arguing with no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 11:10 PM
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There certainly are men who identify with the redpill who make an earnest effort to empathize with women. Unfortunately, these same men don’t know how they are shooting themselves in the foot, because the redpill is not an ideology which equips them with the ability to do this- and this ability, ironically, is likely what would resolve many of their dating woes I have already outlined, albeit loosely, what it takes to empathize with another person. If you don’t know what it’s like to be a woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 11:08 PM
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Nope. He said that /these/ men (chads) are not in a better position to empathize with women than anyone else, because they still fundamentally lack access to the female experience (dont know what its like to be harrassed by people bigger than them) You are twisting peoples words. It is impossible to have an honest discussion on any topic with a person who refuses to listen to what other people are actually saying. Did you make this prompt to hear different opinions and integrate them into your o…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 11:03 PM
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Neither of these criticisms follow from the claims he had made in his comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 10:53 PM
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Being “chad” does not help you to empathize with women. In my experience as a woman, the "chads" that i have had the misfortune of interacting with in day to day life are some of the least empathetic people I have ever met, and often their displays of “empathy” are just that, displays, or charades for the sake of playing to the circumstance that they are in at a given moment in such a way that they can extract optimal personal gain. These displays are often reserved exclusively for other men, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 10:50 PM
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