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How do you feel your social/ conversational skills are? This is something I had to work on. Conversational skills are something I worked on as well, one thing I was always terrible at is growing up I never had any friends, when I worked in radio I learned from my boss at that time of how to be more personable with people in general. In all honesty 3 years ago I would've been so nervous to speak to people I didn't already know. Someone had to introduce me, now I have no real issues introducing my…
/r/seduction31/08/20 04:10 AM
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I don't know, I've never had a woman find me attractive before. If it ever did happen I would remember it for sure. The nonverbal cues I've read about them, I've never had any non verbal cues before. At least none ever done at me anyways lol.
/r/seduction31/08/20 03:46 AM
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Well it seems like you have a lot of ambition and a lot going for you, so all that stuff is good. You also live in a major city so there are plenty of options around. Ambition is something I've never lacked. Long story but I come from a bad place and I've made it a life goal to elevate myself as much as possible from where my family comes from. Its literally what makes me get up out of bed in the morning. First, get in great shape. Whatever you look like now, improve your physique Yea, I've been…
/r/seduction31/08/20 03:20 AM
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I'm 28, live in DFW (Dallas, TX), work as a legal assistant for my good friend but I'm currently only part time as I'm working directly with my mentor in starting a business that we've been planning. Fortunately we were getting everything ready and then covid hit so we just had to pause for a bit so it didn't hit us cause we never got fully launched, silver lining I guess. Hobbies, I like cooking, bike trails/riding, I love playing old video games that I grew up with, boxing, I was training with…
/r/seduction30/08/20 11:06 PM
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My situatiom I guess would be that I've never had any woman consider me attractive before. And because of that Ive never had the opportunity to ever experience anything with women. Not anything romantic at least.
/r/seduction30/08/20 10:49 PM
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Well I've never met any woman who was attracted to me at all let alone one that would be willing to have sex. If I could have sex to experience it or to get started with women finally I would do it in a heartbeat. If anything just to know what its like. I think step one is to have an option to do so, ive never had an option to date before so ive never had the opportinuty to ever do so.
/r/seduction30/08/20 07:06 PM
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The standards thing is odd for me. Of course I want a good person etc but I've also never had any woman consider me attractive before so I've never really had the chance to ever date I'm not very good looking myself so I'm not looking for someone to be a model or anything but I wonder what the standard really is for a guy like me who never had any woman like me before?
/r/seduction30/08/20 10:37 AM
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Ive noticed you've been posting more on yhe sub with great insights. You mention you're a coach for a couple years. Out of curiosity would you have any advice for a guy my age who has never had the opportunity to date or had any woman interested in them before? Any advice is appreciated, thanks!
/r/seduction03/08/20 07:15 AM
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I figured this was the case since I went to a club for the first time and realized I don't know how to dance so I can't really do this until I go take lessons or properly learn how to dance first. I've never had any experience with women or dating so some advice I got here was that clubs might not a good environment for me and I'm not sure if I should invest in dance lessons in order to go to clubs or just avoid clubs?
/r/seduction03/08/20 07:08 AM
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There is no way you are a 1 to 3 in the looks department I think I'm mostly going by previous experience. Considering I've never had any woman consider me attractive before, naturally think I have to be pretty down there in the terms of the looks and rating. But yea I do have my teeth and I don't have any unnatural deformities etc. The point being, most of us have it within our power to become more physically attractive. I agree, and I've done a lot in terms of making myself more attractive by f…
/r/seduction25/06/20 04:10 PM
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I'm 28. Physical description? 5'9, I used to be 220lbs, now am 158. Still technically overweight but I've been losing weight consistently and gaining muscle in the last 3 years or so. I'm Mexican and Italian, black hair, kinda light brown skin. On a scale of 1 to 10? I mean I wouldn't really know, but going strictly by looks based on what others look like, then I'm probably in the 1-3 range. I like cooking a lot, do it everyday. I have my preferred tried and true recipes but I like to try someth…
/r/seduction24/04/20 05:17 AM
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It sucks to be one of the guys who has his shit well together but I'm not in the realm of mildly attractive.
/r/seduction19/04/20 05:42 PM
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You always have insightful advice for guys. Would you have any advice for a guy like myself who has never had any woman consider me attractive before? Or never been in any kind of romantic situation before?
/r/seduction17/04/20 03:16 AM
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I understand. Do you think any of this info is relevant to a guy who has never met the standards of any woman before? Of course I mean myself, I've never had any woman consider me attractive or never really had any chance to ever do anything romantic with someone before. Would that affect this info? If I've never had the opportunity to ever do any of this stuff before?
/r/seduction26/12/19 11:50 PM
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Thanks for the links. Some of this I've seen/read already but I'll go through it. Also in your experience is any of this applicable to a guy who has never had any woman interested in him before?
/r/seduction26/12/19 10:34 PM
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I myself have been pretty busy this past week but in terms of my social circle. On monday some of our friend wanted to go last minute christmas shopping, I dont like malls too much but I haven't had too much free time so I decided to go see them. Some of them came back to my place cause I was cooking and I invited them. Yesterday it was visiting some friends I haven't seen in a while, we went to go see some christmas lights. There is a park near here that decorates like crazy, I'm usually not to…
/r/seduction25/12/19 11:44 AM
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Thing is everything you listed I feel I have down pretty well. Only one that would be suspect would be coming to peace with past issues and relationships. I've never been in a relationship before but I assume you mean just personal relationships. My family is probably the worst geoup of people you'll ever hear about, and I'm not 100% at peace with them all or what they've done but at the same time I've made my own life separate from them and I genuinely do not hold grudges against any of them. B…
/r/seduction25/12/19 11:36 AM
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Any advice you could give to a guy who has never had a woman be attracted to him before?
/r/seduction25/12/19 11:14 AM
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Any advice you can give to a guy who has never had any woman consider them attractive before?
/r/seduction25/12/19 11:14 AM
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If you dont mind me asking what is the difference between the two statements? I only say the first one because I actually never had a woman like me. Believe me if I ever did have a woman like me before I would otherwise never say that cause ots not necessarily anything to be proud of lol.
/r/seduction19/12/19 05:46 PM
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It is what I work towards, I understand that none of this is easy or simple. But it doesn't really stop me from trying, I do agree with you and in fact your advice that you've given me has helped me continue moving forward.
/r/seduction19/12/19 05:34 PM
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How is it logical to say that no woman has ever been interested in you? Mostly going by evidence really, I never met a woman who was is all. But I do work towards remedying that. You decide before ever talking to them that they're not interested. That's not logic, that's being self centered. I've never really done that before to be honest. I usually don't judge or have preconceived notions of people or conversations before I even have them. I kinda used to do that but it was not really towards w…
/r/seduction19/12/19 05:23 PM
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I don't believe you. I see attractive girls every day. Unless you For sure there are attractive girls everyday. What I meant was more in line with I've never met any woman who considered me attractive. Ego. The way I see it, there's a reason why some people say "check your ego at the door". This is something that I hear when I started lifting, and overtime I really know what it meant. What I learned is your ego is way way way stronger than you think, and if something as common as someone not lik…
/r/seduction19/12/19 04:12 PM
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Man, you need therapy. You sound so delusional and you just won't let it go, at all. I'm mostly looking for solutions to be honest. That's your mantra. That's what you base all your conversations on here. That's what you base your life with women on. That's what you base your behaviors on. Isn't it only logical to understand the issues at hand and try and solve them? I definitely won't deny my issues and I'm not really afraid to admit what they are. Sure I have no experience and I think it's the…
/r/seduction19/12/19 04:02 PM
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I personally have been going to the gym for about 3+ years now. And while it has changed my life for the better, its had no correlation to women at all so far. I mostly do it out of habit now but before or after gum I've still never had any woman consider me attractive before in my life.
/r/seduction19/12/19 07:22 AM
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What would you recommend for a guy who is older in age and has never had a woman consider them attractive before?
/r/seduction19/12/19 07:18 AM
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So I'm up pretty up there in age as well. I'm 27 and I've never had any woman consider me attractive give before. Look better I started this in order to appear more attractive tive to women. After about 3-4 years of consistent progress I just kinda started doing it as habit and not so much for looks anymore. Mostly cause after doing it for that long I noticed that it had no correlation to how good or bad I looked to women in terms of being attractive. Read some of the gurus I've read a lot of re…
/r/seduction19/12/19 07:18 AM
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I only mention because I've never really been needy so to speak considering I've never really had any woman interested in me before so I've never been in that position. It hasn't really had the effect that people have stated in terms of being attractive enough for women.
/r/seduction19/12/19 06:57 AM
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Ok, semi weary due to the fact that I've never had any woman consider me attractive before in my life so I would ask you if thay would be a factor at all?
/r/seduction16/12/19 09:01 AM
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Would this be a viable idea for a guy like myself who isn't good looking enough for women? I dont know how to dance either so would it be viable without dancing as well?
/r/seduction16/12/19 08:27 AM
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Yea I figure for a guy like myself who isn't very good looking these types of things would not be viable as an idea. Not to mention I dont really know how to correctly dance on top of that lol.
/r/seduction16/12/19 08:25 AM
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Would this still apply to a guy like myself who isn't attractive to women?
/r/seduction16/12/19 08:24 AM
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Would this still be a viable idea for a guy that is not attractive looking to women?
/r/seduction16/12/19 08:23 AM
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Ot sure if that would be entirely accurate. I mean I've been like that most of my life and I've never had any woman consider me attractive give before.
/r/seduction16/12/19 08:22 AM
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Any advice on someone who cannot dance? Would it be still a viable place?
/r/seduction16/12/19 08:20 AM
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Yea I've never had the opportunity to do anything romantic before and I've never been in a situation like that.
/r/seduction14/12/19 08:43 AM
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If you dont mind me asking what makes you say I have low self esteem?
/r/seduction14/12/19 08:42 AM
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Chances are, you are simply not noticing the IOI’s girls have been giving you. I've never really gotten any kind of IOIs before, I've researched online before of all the IOIs and I've never gotten any before. But all you need to do is be clean, well groomed, and find a style that you personally like. Be the best version of yourself, and you would be surprised at how much this little action sets you apart from majority of the guys out there. Well I currently am the best version of me that's ever …
/r/seduction14/12/19 08:41 AM
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But let me ask you one thing : what if you never had one girl because you did not enought the "move on" ? Could you elaborate on what you mean by this? Consider the possibility you are a 5/10 Well I don't think I qualify for a 5 out of 10 to be completely honest. That seems kinda high for where I'm at. so instead of focusing on a 8/10 girl, that will unlikely stay with you, why not finding a 4/10 girl that will gain something staying with u ? Considering that I'm not very good looking myself, I …
/r/seduction12/12/19 02:22 PM
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Given your experience in this type, would you have any advice for a guy who's never had any type of IOI happen to them before? What would be the alternative if you've never had a woman consider you attractive or never had any type of IOI before?
/r/seduction11/12/19 04:58 PM
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This sounds smart. I always wanted to kinda do holiday stuff with a woman someday, not relegated to just skating although that's something I always do yearly cause it is fun even doing it on my own. But sharing some of it is something I always wanted to do. If I ever were in that situation I think your idea would be ideal. Thank you for sharing!
/r/seduction11/12/19 04:53 PM
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Any alternative to this type of advice if you never had any woman consider you attractive before? As in is it possible to "move on" if there's never been any girl who liked you before?
/r/seduction11/12/19 04:50 PM
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Well yea, I'm not very good looking myself. It's mostly that I've never had any woman consider me attractive before, so I've never really had that opportunity to ever do anything romantic in that sense. Not sure what you look like but if you are attractive enough to qualify for at least some women then you are definitely way ahead of me lol.
/r/seduction11/12/19 04:49 PM
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Lots of us have done it and so can you. Trying to find that out myself, I've never really had any woman consider me attractive before so it's hard for me to even relate to all the other guys who have been. In night clubs with dancing you can use a lot of non-verbal communication anyway so its easier. I don't really know how to dance or anything like that. Winners look for ways to get something done and losers make excuses. I assume that you want to be a winner by being here. Depends on what you …
/r/seduction11/12/19 04:47 PM
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If you dont mind me asking what would be the significance if asking someone for the time?
/r/seduction11/12/19 09:06 AM
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I honestly wish I could meet you in person and hang out for even like one afternoon lol. I think then you'd get a better understanding of my situation. I understand your end, but I guess to me when someone talks to me in a normal manner it isn't really representative of romantic interest in that sense. Male or female.
/r/seduction11/12/19 09:04 AM
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Sex is a natural need that must be met to live a healthy life. While I believe sex is something natural, I dont think.its inherently a 'need' so yo speak. I only say this cause I mean I'm 27 and I've never had any kind of romantic experience with anyone before and I've managed to live a great life full of opportunity either way. Sure at some point in my life I would have liked to have had the opportunity to have gone on a date or kissed, etc. But in terms of needs, those aren't really on the lis…
/r/seduction11/12/19 08:59 AM
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Well I mostly go to house parties now. I'm not really rich exactly but I do well for myself. So that isn't really the issue at hand, issue at hand is that I've never really had any woman consider me attractive before.
/r/seduction11/12/19 08:49 AM
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Main reason I dont think a nightclub would be ideal is because you cant speak to anyone at all. So without being able to even talk to someone I dont really know what else would be gained or what option there would even be as an alternative.
/r/seduction11/12/19 08:48 AM
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Hey I totally understand. I get the situation, I mean I'll be the first to tell you that it's not ideal to say the least lol. I do think someone in your position should be more inclined to help someone who has opportunities coming up as opposed to someone who never had those opportunities you know? not back on missed opportunities. You know one of the few good things of never having been enough for a woman before is that there are no missed opportunities to look back on. So in that sense there a…
/r/seduction06/12/19 10:24 AM
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If you have attractive, masculine traits then they feel attracted to you even if you don't match their ideal physical type. You need to understand this or else you'll be stuck. I definitely do understand it, all too well in fact lol. I wouldn't say I dont have any masculine traits, but given the fact that I've never had any woman consider me good looking or attractive before then I guess my default I'd have to acquiesce and say that u fortunately I probably do not have any masculine traits. At l…
/r/seduction06/12/19 10:11 AM
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Subjective. Meaning it doesn't matter which guy we're talking about. Even a guy who has never been found attractive to a woman before? He wouldn't qualify for bottom 20%? (Or 10/%5%) You have on a number of occasions, submitted evidence that demonstrated women are interested in you and/or curious to find out what you're about. I believe we have most had misunderstanding of real life situations. For instance, I mention someone speaking to me and you say it's a woman who finds me attractive. And I…
/r/seduction06/12/19 09:59 AM
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They can feel attracted to you if you pull the right switches even if you aren't particularly their physical type Yea, I've never been any womans physical type before, as I've never really had any woman consider me attractive before either. Are you here to learn to flirt, attract, date and seduce or are you here to throw yourself a pity party? No offense, just a wake up call. Well to be totally honest I'm here to read and take in info on a subject matter that I have no experience in at all. Whic…
/r/seduction06/12/19 09:53 AM
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Well conversation is easy, or at minimum getting to know someone. Thata just basic social stuff. I was mostly talking about dates and women, etc. I've never been good looking enough to ever trigger attraction in any woman before. Let alone date before. I mostly read threads like this to somewhat live vicariously through other, more successful experiences of other men. Considering I never really got the opportunity to ever date or do anything romantic, this is kinda the next best thing. So yea it…
/r/seduction06/12/19 09:39 AM
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Well you can't really hide too much in a picture. So far I haven't really qualified as attractive to any women before so the pictures are not going to be as good as others.
/r/seduction03/12/19 09:49 PM
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Not at all. I myself am half n half, Mexican & Italian. Pretty sure its noticable lol.
/r/seduction03/12/19 02:11 PM
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Correct, I'm not w very good looking guy so I definitely fall in the category of bad pics as you've mention. I understand the situation for as crappy as it can be. I figure if I've never "matched" with anyone during my lifetime then I dont think using tinder and what I look like is a good idea.
/r/seduction03/12/19 02:09 PM
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Well to a guy like myself who's never had any woman consider him attractive before I figured this wouldn't be any different considering what I look like.
/r/seduction03/12/19 08:55 AM
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I only figured that if I wasn't ever good looking enough for any woman before then I thought maybe online would help as long as I didnt post a picture. But considering that all dating sites/apps require pictures of yourself I'm kinda SOL in terms of that so I'm kinda screwed either way.
/r/seduction03/12/19 08:54 AM
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Asian men are generally considered to be among the bottom of the latter in terms of desirability among women. Really? I never got that idea. Then again I guess I wouldn't know. I always figured my race, specifically my race combination was the dead worst it could possibly get for desirability to women. For Tinder if you're a "normal" looking guy, the stats say odds are stacked against you. I totally understand. Even with that, what I wouldn't give to be considered a normal looking guy. Sure it'l…
/r/seduction03/12/19 08:52 AM
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Would the top 20 percent still exist to men who have not been able to meet the standards of women before? Technically wouldn't those men be in the opposite end of the spectrum creating a bottom or top 20?
/r/seduction03/12/19 08:47 AM
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Damn man. Reading stuff like this really makes me wish I have had the chance to go through this kinda stuff. People talk about first dates, first kisses, first everything, etc. It typically never bothers me as I know the deal but when I read threads like this or listen to someone's awesome date story I do my best to live vicariously through these kind of words as I never really did get that opportunity to ever date or do anything romantic with a woman before. Never had any woman consider me attr…
/r/seduction03/12/19 08:43 AM
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Connection with people is generally not an issue. It used to be for me but now I find I can pretty much talk to anyone, make some type of connection fairly quickly. Obviously some connections will be more natural than others but that's just how it goes given personality types, etc. However I dont really see what this has to do with seduction or the topic.
/r/seduction03/12/19 08:39 AM
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I figure if you're normal looking you're in the clear pretty much. For myself I dont think I qualify as normal lol, also being Asian probably helps a ton. My race combination seems like the red flag though.
/r/seduction03/12/19 08:36 AM
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I never really thought that dating sites or apps would be a viable way for me considering that I'm not a good looking guy. I did have someone on here implore me to create a tinder as he said that was the easiest way to get a date. As my goal was to go on my first date. I acquiesced and made a tinder and left it up for about a little over a month as he mentioned. I didnt get any matches so I never did get an opportunity to ever actually use the app. But either way it was a good primer of what doe…
/r/seduction03/12/19 08:35 AM
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I'm not sure how accurate that is. I mean I'm a guy who's never attracted any woman before in my life, never really had any woman consider me attractive before. So obviously I'm not into porn or masturbation, etc as it doesn't really have much meaning or reference since I've never even been in any romantic situation at all. Since I started lifting about 3 years ago my testosterone levels have gradually increased over the years from my checkups, etc. But I've never had any woman give me longer st…
/r/seduction23/11/19 06:21 PM
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I've thought about this a lot but considering I'm in the complete opposite side of the spectrum it does make me wonder. I'm a guy whose never had any woman consider me attractive enough before so I've never been in a position to ever do anything romantic. If its considered unattractive to get a lot of girls what would be the opinion if a guy like me who has never been able to attract one women before?
/r/seduction23/11/19 06:12 PM
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Can you have abundance mentality when you've never had any woman attracted to you before?
/r/seduction23/11/19 06:05 PM
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Sometimes you have to kiss her based only on the feeling that this is the moment that you should. I guess what I mean is that that moment has never happened. I've never been in a position where that was an option. But to be fair I don't completely understand what you're saying as it seems very vague. Girls are just...scared. Most will never act on their feelings. I'm not sure if that's true, I've known women who have spoken about their feelings or have mentioned that they consider someone attrac…
/r/seduction05/11/19 04:33 PM
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Sorry actually I didnt notice my phone was making typos. I lost about 60-70lbs of weight NOT 160-170. My heaviest was 230, which was bad and that when I began. I dont have any loose skin thankfully, i do have some stretch marks here and there though. Would 5'9 be considered average height? Isn't that considered very short in terms of a men? The core issue does not change: either you think you are worthy of attracting women, or you do not. Well I'm not sure considering there is no way to ever kno…
/r/seduction05/11/19 05:05 AM
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I'm not sure if I qualify to have a deformity or not. My doctors have never said anything so I assume not. In terms of height I'm fairly short, I'm 5'9, weigh 167 last time I made weight. So I am still overweight but it is something I'm still working on. I've lost about 160-170lbs since I began self improvement. I'm personally in the best shape I've ever been in but I still have a lot of work to do in order to get down to target weight for my BMI. In terms of looks I dont think I'd qualify to be…
/r/seduction05/11/19 04:13 AM
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Yes, it does. Girls are just people Of course they just people lol. I think the way I stated it made it seem like women were excluded in that, but they are most definitely just people like you and I. I guess what I meant to say was that with just people there's not really much more to it. People in general are not that difficult to understand or appease so as long as you're not a total dick, etc. But I meant that has nothing to do with my issue of not being attractive enough for women. If you're…
/r/seduction05/11/19 03:54 AM
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I've seen guys that imo veered towards the ugly side of the scale and were still successful with girls. Well I'm not really "veering" into the ugly side of the scale lol. I think it's safe to say that I'm kinda in the ugly side of the scale. I've seen fat out of shape dudes with hot girls. I'm definitely nowhere near that scale of attractiveness to be with "hot girls". I mean I've ne er had any woman consider me attractive before let alone what you or people would consider hot girls. So I think …
/r/seduction05/11/19 03:23 AM
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Most guys have had a woman look at him and find him attractive. Your issue is you didn't notice it, and you didn't do anything. It's actually never happened to me before, I've never met or known any woman who considered me good looking enough to be attractive. The adage that looks do not matter is objectively false, but practically true Of course, I can certainly attest to that. It is absolutrly fucking useless to think that your looks are holding you back. Well considering that I've never had a…
/r/seduction05/11/19 03:17 AM
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Well it's mostly that I've never had any woman consider me attractive before. That's the main issue above all when it comes to that.
/r/seduction05/11/19 03:02 AM
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Showing you take care of yourself is attractive; in shape, well-groomed, dressed nicely will go farther. Well I already do all of these things and it's really had no correlation in making me any more or less attractive than when I began. I personally do not care about looks myself, I mean I'm not a very good looking guy so believe me, I'm not one to judge anyone. My goal was more to one day meet a womans standards.
/r/seduction05/11/19 02:58 AM
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Do you find yourself attractive? I wouldn't really be able to tell you if I find myself attractive as om not really attracted by men to be totally honest. "no matter what anyone tells me, I'm good looking and I love myself. No matter what society tells me I'm perfect in my own way. I do love myself, but I think that's just default for everyone pretty much. In terms of me being good looking, I think that's would be up to women to decide as I'm not attracted to men. I personally dont believe I'm p…
/r/seduction05/11/19 02:53 AM
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Would this only apply to men who are already attractive looking enough for women?
/r/seduction04/11/19 11:18 PM
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I'm not sure, I'm 27 and I've never had any woman consider me good looking enough to be attractive before.
/r/seduction04/11/19 10:57 PM
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Well I was myself my whole life and that never got me anywhere. About 3-4 years ago I decided to dedicate my life to self improvement, and while I was able to turn my whole life around and meet a ton of personal goals in the process (that I still continue towards) I've also never met any woman who considered me attractive before. So even though I've made a lot of changes to myself to better myself I noticed that being who I am I'm not really considered attractive enough for women.
/r/seduction04/11/19 10:56 PM
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Would your advice be considered for a guy like myself who isn't good looking enough to be considered masculine by women? Or never had a woman consider them attractive before?
/r/seduction04/11/19 10:54 PM
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I lost about 160-170lbs over the past 2-3 years or so but I'm not very good looking so I've never had any woman consider me attractive before. Would weight both on and off be irrelevant to being good looking enough for women or does it have no correlation?
/r/seduction04/11/19 10:52 PM
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Not sure how tall he is but I'm not very tall myself. In terms of looks, as you put it he is attractive enough to women to not only be attractive but also be good looking enough to even get married. I can't really say that I'm at that level yet so I'd have to say that I'm not on his level when it comes to being attractive to women.
/r/seduction04/11/19 07:57 PM
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Would there be a difference in social skills as to attraction/seduction? I'm 27 years old and while I've never had any woman consider me attracting I knew I had to build proper social skills and given how I've worked at it for the past 3-4 years and have a circle(s) of friends now and I never did before I'd say I have a solid grasp (still improving) on it. But as mentioned it has had no correlation to the issue of seduction or having any woman be attracted to me before. Considering what you wrot…
/r/seduction01/11/19 06:35 PM
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I wouldn’t say I don’t go out. I mean considering that I’m barely home at all, sometimes I wish I were just at home doing nothing lol, but I also know that if I were at home I’d probably be doing nothing too productive so I try to just accept invitations etc. I usually end up not regretting it as I end up doing something more fun than I would have if I said no, so I kinda learned to say yes to more invites/people. In terms of reference experiences yea I can’t really say I have references because…
/r/seduction01/11/19 05:43 PM
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I think it's moreso on the fact that I've never had any woman consider me good looking enough to be attracted to me so I've never been in any situation in which I could apply or enact what you're talking about because I've never been in that situation. Look as good as you can This is the approach that I have taken, or in this case I don't have much of a choice lol. I just focus on what I do have control over such as what you listed, etc. Hygiene is obvious, I do have clean/tailored clothes, etc.…
/r/seduction01/11/19 05:04 PM
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Well I'm definitely not anywhere near the top 1% of guys in the world, I personally never had any woman consider me good looking before so I doubt I qualify for the top 1%. I dont necessarily see it as an excuse more so a fact really, I mean even in this image alone you break down how small the 1% really is in comparison to the world population so just simply by the numbers a guy like myself kinda cannot be in the 1% due to the exact reasons you listed in your image.
/r/seduction01/11/19 06:50 AM
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Would any of this apply to a person who isn't good looking enough for women? I understand what you mean by fulfilling a relationship, but I'm a guy who hasn't really met the standards of a woman before so I've never been in an opportunity where I was ever in a relationship. I've never had a woman consider me good looking enough to ever do anything romantic with so I've never had that chance to see the other 90% that's you're talking about due to that.
/r/seduction01/11/19 06:46 AM
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How would you get to a point where a woman would want to kiss?
/r/seduction01/11/19 06:39 AM
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Super great info, I've heard similar concepts but you broke it down well into sections. Would you have any advice for a guy like myself who doesn't have the looks that you're talking about to do any of these things? Thanks in advance, I realize it's a significant aspect to even being in the ballpark to do any of this at all so it's definitely the most important part that I would want help understanding if it's even worthwhile.
/r/seduction01/11/19 06:34 AM
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I'm very interested in romance, sex, relationships, etc because I've never been able to experience any of it before. Specifically the parts about dating, or having a partner, etc. I never got that chance so now I do find it fascinating how it all works now that I have the ability to read about it online and know more about it all. As far as being horny, I guess technically you could say that. Although I never really had any woman be attracted to me before so it's kind of difficult to be "horny" …
/r/seduction22/10/19 10:46 PM
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Do you remember a user by the name of "saucy-awesome"? That person is a woman I know on another forum. She told me that you looked good and you would be dateable in her eyes. So, you're wrong about that. I'm not sure to be honest. I don't recall speaking to a woman here though but I could very well be wrong. Be specific now. Which "doctors" have you asked? Were any of these doctors psychiatrists or therapists? I recently did my 3rd IQ test earlier this year and to do those they do need a psychol…
/r/seduction22/10/19 10:42 PM
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If you dont mind me asking. What makes you say that I should?
/r/seduction22/10/19 07:52 AM
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Haven't done so in years to be honest.
/r/seduction22/10/19 02:19 AM
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I've never gotten a look like that before. Not pertaining to romantic or sexual.
/r/seduction21/10/19 07:05 PM
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I figured as such. I've never been in any romantic or sexual situation before so I'm not really able to do that to be honest.
/r/seduction21/10/19 05:45 PM
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Ok, I admittedly don't know what that is or what it entails though.
/r/seduction21/10/19 04:57 PM
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What do you mean by the eyes or the look?
/r/seduction21/10/19 04:51 PM
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I know you claim your looks are the entire problem with you, but many others have seen your picture to say you look good (men, and women.) I've had compliments from men but I've never had any compliments from women though. Which is the ironic part. That's the point I'm heading toward. "Before you can fix a problem, you have to discover what it is." I totally agree, my issue is that I need to discover the issue. That's what I've been spending my time thinking about when it comes to this subject. …
/r/seduction21/10/19 04:06 PM
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It's never really happened to me before if I'm being totally honest. I've never had any IOIs either.
/r/seduction20/10/19 06:58 PM
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Sex is on the minds of most men like 90 percent of the time. haha well for me I honestly have a ton of things going on that I really can't allocate 90% of my time to any one thing in particular. You seem hyper logical, either you're just being an edgy kid or u might be on the spectrum. Well I admittedly am definitely more logical but I don't think logic would ever be seen as edgy or spiteful, etc.
/r/seduction20/10/19 05:13 PM
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Well it wouldn't be surprising to me since I've never had the opportunity to do anything romantic or sexual before. I know it's probably unhealthy but there isn't really anything I could do about it other than improve myself and focus on myself. My doctor always says I'm in good health so I'm not sure where it would fit in technically. I'm sure I would have a sex drive if I ever did have an opportunity to ever be in a romantic situation one day.
/r/seduction20/10/19 04:42 PM
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I don't really watch porn to be honest. It's kind of odd to watch considering that I've never had sex before so I have no idea what I'm even looking at or what it even feels like so there isn't any connection or relatable content there. I get why people watch it though but if you've never had sex then it doesn't really have any meaning I figure. I am interested in companionship someday, but i never really met any woman who liked me before so it's obviously not a priority for me considering I'm n…
/r/seduction20/10/19 03:17 PM
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I'm 28 and im.technically in the best health I've ever been in my whole life. But due to me being 28 and all I obviously look old or at least older than I did when I was in my prime. But to be perfectly honest I never was very good looking even back in my prime and of course now due to aging I don't really look any better than I did back then. I've done a lot to take care of myself and work out regularly, as I mentioned, I'm easily in my best shape mentally and physically but I only wish I was s…
/r/seduction20/10/19 03:11 PM
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Better to lose at 18 than 24. Damn that's rough lol. I'm 28 and am in the same situation as in I've never had any woman interested in me before. I look back when I was your age and remember so many missed opportunities that I didn't even realize back then. I hear this a lot from people, usually from close friends. The good thing about never having had any woman like you before is that I've never missed any opportunities because there never were any so I don't have that regret.
/r/seduction20/10/19 03:05 PM
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I've read a lot about this. It's something I'd want to one day do but I've never had any woman like me before. And I've never gotten a sense that anyone has liked me before so I've never been in a situation in which I could implement a lot of the things people talk a out on here.
/r/seduction20/10/19 02:55 PM
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Well I'm 27 and I've never met any woman who was ready to give me love and affection before. I do agree about the big beautiful world, believe me I actually would love to stay at home more than I currently do, but my life (especially as of late) has had way too many things going on and just so many things to get done. All of which are positive things/productive so by no means am I complaining. It's the great kind of busy, the kind of busy that invests in my well being and my personal future. As …
/r/seduction20/10/19 02:54 PM
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If you don't mind me asking what is considered insane about no orgasm for 90 days? I personally have net been able to have a girlfriend or go on a date before so I've definitely gone way more than 90 days without one lol. What is considered bad about it exactly?
/r/seduction20/10/19 02:48 PM
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I always imagined that if I ever did get a girlfriend it would absolutely be someone I'd spend my free time with, someone that I wouldn't mind sharing mu life and myself with.
/r/seduction10/10/19 04:30 AM
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Not being good looking enough to meet the standards of a woman. It is something I actively work towards though.
/r/seduction10/10/19 04:23 AM
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You're unattractive romantically because your self esteem and the way you perceive yourself is so LOW it repels women away from ever being romantically interested! Well I dont really perceive myself to be low at all really. Am I attractive? Probably not but that doesn't mean that i consider myself low as a person. See one of the big things that me not being so good looking helped me realize is that I'm actually more than what I look like. I know it sounds dumb but for the longest time I always h…
/r/seduction10/10/19 04:14 AM
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Consider asking yourself, do I FEEL like I need this girls attention. If the answer is yes, then you're being needy. Woman are evolutionarily attuned to detecting neediness. Well if you're talking about technically then no one ever needs anyone's attention by default. I definitely don't 'need' anyone attention. Needs are essentials, a person's attention is never an essential. Continue to improve yourself. If you ever feel like you're the best possible version of yourself, you have more improveme…
/r/seduction05/10/19 09:36 AM
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I totally agree man. That's a seriously awesome accomplishment that most men don't even try for. I'm not taking anything away from that, and I think your a badass for turning your life around to the point that you have. Thank you, seriously. It took a long time for me to realize that. I went a while making friends but feeling bad because I never reached my goal which was to go on a date someday. Then I realized that I've actually made a lot of friends on this failed journey. So it wasn't a total…
/r/seduction05/10/19 09:33 AM
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Yea I kind of ended up doing this. For the longest time I always wanted people to like me, and sometime during my self improvement i decided that my personal well being was priority over how people saw me. So while I eventually did just embrace who I am all while still changing and improving for the better. I also eventually found out that who I really was was also not what women consider attractive. So kind of a double edged sword. On one hand I became happy with myself and made myself the beat…
/r/seduction04/10/19 04:13 AM
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Wow that video is very much like the past 3-4 years of my life. Except without the dating and girlfriends part of course. But everything else, from the motivation, to the self improvement and the circles of friends. All rang true. This is definitely the kind of stuff that makes me wonder what did you do that I missed to where I didn't get to date or have girlfriends etc? That's mostly what I look at because aside from that, everything else in life was achievable.
/r/seduction04/10/19 04:09 AM
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Point is if you are truly as hideously ugly as you say you are, I have a tough time believing these attractive "out of your league" ppl would let you into their social circle. I mean, the men I hang with I definitely better looking than I am. And for sure the women are as well. If this is true and applies with social relations why wouldn't it apply for romantic relations as well? I guess mostly because being f nd with someone doesn't require you to find them attractive. Obviously no one is going…
/r/seduction11/09/19 10:06 PM
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This is the type of info that made me wish I did go to college. I always wanted to but I never did have enough money to enroll, part of me thought that during high school maybe someday I'd get to college and I'd make friends there. Little did I know that college was so expensive and I never saved enough money to go. I went through a good whole being sad that I never got to experience what's in this post or have that type of fun like is described here. But now I live my own life, and while I miss…
/r/seduction10/09/19 06:57 AM
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Yea, I remember when I realized that I missed out on dating. It really made me put my current life into perspective. Like yes, I fixed myself and I did do everything g I set out to do. So what if I didn't meet women's standards, that does not mean that I can't still live a happy and fulfilling life
/r/seduction10/09/19 06:53 AM
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If you get erections and have sperm then a good sign your genes want to be carried on no? Technically you're right but if women don't want any of those genes then by nature they aren't meant to pass on due to the natural selection? Sure you do. There's a range but for the most part people hang around with people that are at least nearby in the level of attractiveness/beauty. There's exceptions of course but for the most part ppl hangout with people that are similar to them in looks. I'm not real…
/r/seduction10/09/19 06:47 AM
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How many weak spineless men that wouldn't last 2 days in the caveman times get married and have sex these days?? LOADS! I don't think any weak, spineless men would be married or having sex that's for sure. I mean in order to even be at that level to do that you have to be the opposite of that. Sounds more like "incel" talk from guys who want to play the victim card to me. I definitely do not share a victim mindset. Not sure if what he said aligns with that but it did resonate with me, I mean as …
/r/seduction06/09/19 01:45 AM
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I've considered doing a bootcamp soon as soon as I find time in my schedule. The only setback would be that I may not be at that level to do a boot camp. Like I'm not their demographic at all as I'm not a really good looking guy so I feel if I did sign up for a boot camp I'd kinda be wasting the instructors time.
/r/seduction05/09/19 08:04 AM
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Thanks for the continuation of your posts. This is another very odd post for me because you kinda explained just a person no? I mean when I meet people or they invite me somewhere and I meet their friends etc. Essentially meeting new people, I usually have fun with them and become their friends anyways. In a nutshell, I'm just not sure what this has anything to do with women. Or in my case I've never had any woman consider me good looking or attractive before, so maybe I'm just not seeing what y…
/r/seduction05/09/19 08:02 AM
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I don't people lives are that boring. No one really wants a boring life so no one allows it obviously. I mean the people that I know or have recently met a lot through my hobbies do not live boring lives. I definitely would never consider my life boring yet I've never had any woman consider me attractive enough to date or anything. So I imagine a guy or woman who is good enough to date and have romantic ventures in their lives, it's kinda impossible for their lives to be boring at that point I f…
/r/seduction05/09/19 07:58 AM
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We'll I'd say my looks have mattered a good amount given how I've never had any woman consider me attractive before in my life. So it definitely accounts for way way way more than people think obviously.
/r/seduction05/09/19 07:55 AM
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This is the type of post that really makes me wish I had gone on a date at least once during my time. Seriously u/itsamatterofattitude thank you for sharing things like this. A guy like me can live vicariously through you reading this and get some idea of what a date or romantic interactions are like. You have no idea how good content like this helps unattractive looking guys like myself who weren't enough to be able to have these opportunities.
/r/seduction05/09/19 07:53 AM
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We'll I've never had any woman consider me attractive or good looking before So that's kinda how I know lol.
/r/seduction05/09/19 07:48 AM
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Honestly man I've seen many overweight and plain unnattractive guys do quite well with women. I hear things like that and it's kinda an oxymoron for me. I mean for me personally I'm in no position to ever call anyone unattractive, but I would never be able to consider a guy unattractive when he is still attractive enough for women. Like if a guy is still attractive enough for women then I'd be hard pressed to ever call him unattractive. Now if an actual unattractive man ever one day got a date o…
/r/seduction05/09/19 07:42 AM
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I'm not sure what type of work I should do or more importantly what work I can do. I'm just focused on improving who I am and doing what I can to be the best version of me possible. And yea, I'm not a very good looking guy so that's been the problem for sure. I do what I can to compensate for what I look like but not much else I can do that I haven't. It's not really a big deal, it's just something I wanted to experience someday mostly. My initial goal was to meet at least one woman's standards …
/r/seduction03/09/19 03:06 PM
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Because none of the women I've met in my life have found me attractive before.
/r/seduction03/09/19 03:03 PM
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Thanks for the content you provide btw. I know I'm not your target audience in any way but I do enjoy it nonetheless.
/r/seduction03/09/19 12:58 PM
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Oh ok I see what you mean. Makes more sense now. I mean as much sense as it can make to a guy like me lol. While it sounds like a dilemma on it's own, I also somewhat envy it given how it can be a romantic situation and at the very least be a learning experience. I'm sort of fascinated by the subject cause I never did get to experience romance or women, etc so I like reading articles a content such as yours to just kinda get at least some idea of what it all entails and feels like.
/r/seduction03/09/19 12:04 PM
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Well I do talk to women. More so than men these day since some of my dude friends moved to California recently. You can just try to make friends with a girl at first and then try to meet her female friends. People usually hook up with friends of friends. That's kinda what's been happening in the past year. As I've mentioned I've met more people (women including obviously) in the past year than my entire life. And yes there is fact to the matter of women introducing you to more women. And while t…
/r/seduction03/09/19 11:51 AM
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By snap you mean snapchat? I don't gave a snapchat.
/r/seduction03/09/19 11:46 AM
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For me I can't smile on command, if I smile it's cause it just came out. But I've also never had any woman smile at me. At least not in that kinda way before.
/r/seduction03/09/19 11:45 AM
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A bit off topic but I personally find it absolutely insane that some guys are so attractive that they can have "practice" kissing so to speak. Like one of my goals in life is to one day be enough to go on a date with a woman and also to one day be enough to kiss a woman during my lifetime. But it kinda puts into perspective that some men literally use as proactive what one of my life goals is lol. Just the type of world we live in I guess. Not all of us were meant for everything.
/r/seduction03/09/19 11:40 AM
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I'm not bald but I am short. But I'm not really at your level of attractiveness as I've never had any woman consider me attractive before let alone ever been on a date lol.
/r/seduction03/09/19 11:38 AM
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I'm in the same boat. It's not a mystery or anything, reason it hasn't happened is cause I've never had any woman consider me good looking enough before to be considered attractive.
/r/seduction03/09/19 11:36 AM
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I don't have any experience with women (at least not romantically or sexually) so please feel free to let me know if I'm just sounding ignorant. There is an aspect of your writing here that doesn't make much sense. These parts. Plus she knows she can call you ANYTIME, and you’ll JUMP at any opportunity to see her. She knows you’ll drop whatever you’re doing to come see her if she needs you. Heck, she even knows she can call you in the middle of the night and you will go over to be her shoulder t…
/r/seduction03/09/19 11:30 AM
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I personally don't really watch porn or masturbate given how I think it would be very weird to so considering I've never had sex or done anything sexual/romantic before so it would kinda be odd. But I'm also not very good looking to be a seducer as you put it so I was wondering if you would have some alternate advice for a guy who isn't very good looking to women?
/r/seduction03/09/19 11:13 AM
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Well the biggest reason why I think a boot camp now would be a waste is because I'm not really at that level where the boot camp is beginning at. If I were to go to a boot camp now I would not meet the criteria that they're looking for as I'm not really even attractive to women so there really wouldn't be anything they'd be able to do. Also it would be unfair for me to expect them to do something about it consider that's an issue on my end that I need to meet.
/r/seduction03/09/19 11:09 AM
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Well I've known more people (obviously women) included in the past year than my entire life. While I'm not complaining as a lot of them are great people and mostly met through friends of friends or introduced similarly. I'm grateful for the circles of friends I share now but with that said I've never met any woman before in my life who considered me good looking enough to consider attractive. Talking to people isn't really an issue.
/r/seduction03/09/19 11:07 AM
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I could pm you a pic. As for my description. Well I'm pretty short for one lol, I'm half mexican and half italian so I ended up with the worst combination if genes possible for looks but I do what i can to compensate. Not much more to say really, it's pretty self explanatory.
/r/seduction03/09/19 11:05 AM
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Yea I've just never had that opportunity before. I've never had any woman consider me good looking enough to be considered attractive before.
/r/seduction03/09/19 11:03 AM
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I'm still trying for sure. I still do what I can to meet a woman's standards someday. Not much I can do other than keep going.
/r/seduction03/09/19 11:01 AM
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I take your word for it. I only ask because if anything like that ever did happen, I'd be the first to sing about it. And if anything, I would take it as a sign that I've met at least one wonan's standard. Meaning I could potentially meet another woman's standard as well and I'm on the right track. Considering I've never reached that level then I figure I probably have a lot more work to do as I continue my life. If it ever is to happen then at least I'll know.
/r/seduction01/09/19 12:22 PM
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I guess the issue that you propose solutions to are not the issues that I have at hand is would I would presume. I have read your posts as I follow your blog posts frequently since you began posting again and I find them all to be very eloquently laid out and direct at the same time However, due to my situation I don't find your advice to be applicable to me in the way that you intend it for your target audience. Although I think it's extremely clear that I am definitely not your target audience…
/r/seduction01/09/19 12:19 PM
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5 numbers in one night sounds absolutely insane OP. Seriously envious of you, that's something that I'm sure I dreamed of at some point back when I was young. Either way I have to congratulate you and respect you for it. You managed to do 5 times what I've never been able to do in my entire lifetime lol. My goal was getting at least one date or number during my time but I never did reach that level of being attractive enough.
/r/seduction01/09/19 11:13 AM
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I've read your past articles and I know you're a big proponent of "approach invitations" and you mention them quite often. Would you happen to have any other primary method for your articles that exclude the notion of "approach invitations"? I only ask because I've never had any "approach invitations" before in my life or ever really met any woman's standards before. While I do find your articles very intriguing and well thought out. I can also tell that I'm definitely not your target audience a…
/r/seduction01/09/19 11:06 AM
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I guess I've never seen an ugly person dating. Let alone dating gorgeous women as you put it. All people who are dating obviously met someone's standards or else they wouldn't be dating. I've been working on myself to someday reach that point. I don't really look pike a male model myself. I was just focused on being good looking enough someday to be able to experience going on a date during my lifetime.
/r/seduction01/09/19 09:28 AM
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I don't know who you are or what you look like but you don't have to be good looking to get a girl. Issue is that I've never met any woman's standards before. And there's always things to do to better yourself, good haircut, nice fitting clothes, go to gym to get in shape etc. Yea, I began doing self improvement for the last 3-4 years or so & of course the things you listed are a part of all that. You sound like you lack a little confidence in yourself by the way you talk. Well I don't really ta…
/r/seduction01/09/19 09:26 AM
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Yea, I've never met any woman who ever considered me attractive before. So I gotta meet that standard first before anything else.
/r/seduction01/09/19 07:30 AM
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Well I've never met any woman date someone they weren't attracted to.
/r/seduction01/09/19 07:25 AM
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Well I've personally never had any woman consider me good looking enough to be considered attractive before so I've never really been at that level let alone at a level where someone is so attractive to women that they just have sex when they want. I'm sure if I was attractive to women I'd likely understand the process of it all. But not all of us are that lucky lol.
/r/seduction01/09/19 05:58 AM
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I've been contemplating doing a boot camp soon. My only issue is that I'm not really that high enough level to be doing boot camps imo. I feel if I go to one I'd kinda be wasting the insteuctor's time mostly.
/r/seduction01/09/19 05:52 AM
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I' not sure if this is your video but I just wanted to say that it was a very great watch. Simple, to the point, effective, great. Everything he said in the video, I applied about 3-4 years ago when I began self improvement. And while I originally began improvement in order to become a more valuable person for women, I ended up failing at that original goal but excelling at every other goal that I set out in between. What I learned about myself was exactly what is mentioned in this video, that I…
/r/seduction01/09/19 05:46 AM
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That's always been insane to me. I've never met any woman who considered me good looking before and reading about men who are so good looking to women that they just have sex with any woman is still very much fantasy to me considering I'm not very good looking myself. My goal has mostly been to be enough to go on a date someday, or kiss or at least hold hands with a woman someday during my lifetime.
/r/seduction01/09/19 05:37 AM
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As a guy who's never had any woman find me good looking before let alone enough to kiss, I have to say I'm very envious of your experience. When I was 22 I really wanted to kiss a girl that year. So there is a part of me me hat is really happy to see a guy not kiss the boat like I did and got dealt a way better hand than me. I might be much much older but I still love hearing success stories like this because it helps me live vicariously through better looking guys who were good enough for women…
/r/seduction01/09/19 05:29 AM
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You've even mentioned a couple girls that were clearly interested, but you either ignored them, repulsed them by acting awkward, or accidentally rejected them. What situations were those? I don't think I ever mentioned a woman being interested in me before. If I ever did I would have taken some sort of action just to know I'm sure. I sure never rejected anyone. You mentioned enough that it seems pretty clear that you ignore, repulse, or accidentally reject girls a lot. Which reinforces your fals…
/r/seduction01/09/19 05:22 AM
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What makes you say that exactly?
/r/seduction01/09/19 05:20 AM
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I would say make it a habbit to talk to 3 women a day. That's managable. Not too exagerated. I would say I'm sure I speak to more than 3 women daily. For various reason of course, but typically either friends or friends of friends. Or uses online dating I haven't really considered online dating considering that I'm not really good looking myself. you should make good improvements. Key is never ever give up. Always keep going. I don't plan on giving up exactly, but given my age I'm at the point w…
/r/seduction01/09/19 05:20 AM
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I understand, but would there be any point in doing so if I'm not good looking enough for women?
/r/seduction01/09/19 05:15 AM
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How is your confidence and self esteem My confidence and self esteem I would consider fine. Any other aspect in life that I have control over is going great of course. Do you know the concepts of value, comfort, escalation and flirting ? I understand the concepts. But I've never been in a situation where I could experience flirting or anything like that before. Do you talk to women at all ? I do. Co worker, friends, friends of friends, etc.
/r/seduction01/09/19 05:14 AM
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I do get ya, I'm just not sure how much more work I have to do in order to compensate for my looks you know? Given my older age I understand I'm only becoming less attractive due to aging nut then again I was never good looking even back in my prime to be totally honest. But at least I'll continue this routine and improving my life. Hopefully at some point in my life I'll meet at least one woman's standards for the first time. Not holding my breath, but it sure would be nice to experience that s…
/r/seduction27/08/19 01:43 PM
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I do not really have any issue with communication nor body language. I wouldn't say that people don't like me or women as I've gained more friends in the past year that I ever have before in my life. More than I can handle at times, but the good thing is that I always have things to do on the weekends lol, thanks to constant invites to things. So with that being said I'm also not very good looking, which is the main issue at hand that has been the reason why I've never really had any woman consi…
/r/seduction27/08/19 01:34 PM
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Would you reccomend this method even for men who are not good looking enough for women? I mean I have my own workout that I do every morning before work and that does the best job if waking me up. I don't really have an issue with fitness anymore but I'm also not very good looking so it hasn't had any correlation to compensating for my bad looks.
/r/seduction27/08/19 01:30 PM
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Would these steps apply for men who are not good looking enough for women?
/r/seduction27/08/19 01:26 PM
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Not sure if this is entirely accurate. I've pretty much fixed every aspect of my life, and my life is the best it's ever been now but I've also never had any woman consider me good looking enough to date or never had any woman consider me attractive before. A long time ago I thought maybe if i fixed up my life and became the best version of myself possible then maybe someday I'd meet at least one woman's standards.
/r/seduction27/08/19 01:25 PM
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Very good post. I believe the initial idea is good that you're referencing two people who found success in their respective fields. The only issue that I see is that those fields that you're referencing are actually crafts. As in it's something that is entirely within your control as to whether or not you succeed in the crafts that you practice. It resonates with me because I can tell you first hand. As a kid, i was good at nothing, everything I'm good/successful at now is because of practice an…
/r/seduction27/08/19 01:21 PM
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We have spoken but I don't believe we've ever spoken about any opportunities before. I sure never had any women "picking up on me" before, not in a romantic way anyways. I mention the shit test thing because I've never had a woman shit test me before, and I figure it's cause I've never been in a situation where a woman liked me.
/r/seduction27/08/19 12:57 PM
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You know I used meditation for a long time while I came up with my original plan to improve myself and my life. I can't stress how much exploring your own thoughts and outlook can change your next few steps, and those next few steps can set you on the right path to real improvement. I got rid of all that negative inner dialogue and was able to turn my life around and be the best version of me possible. My goals (small and large) were achieved on my terms and due to my hard work. I essentially fi…
/r/seduction19/08/19 07:34 PM
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Well I'm 27 and never had any woman consider me attractive before so I know I'll never be anyone's lover. What I mostly looked for was someone to go on a date with one day. Or be able to hold hands or kiss for the first time. But I like how you mentioned one could always be a provider, at least I can one day look forward to being a good provider someday instead?
/r/seduction19/08/19 07:25 PM
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...it's also an effortless one. You shouldn't have to try. You shouldn't have to work. It happens quickly and instinctively. Man Meets Woman. Primitive and biological. I guess that's where the problems lies for a person like myself who isn't a very good looking guy. I've never had any woman consider me good looking enough so I of all people would never say its effortless lol. God equipped us to mate and procreate effortlessly. I remember a long time ago I brought this up on this sub and someone …
/r/seduction19/08/19 07:22 PM
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Yea, that's mostly why I'm here. I've never had anyone consider me attractive before and I'm looking to see what I can do to facilitate that.
/r/seduction19/08/19 07:14 PM
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I'm not sure if I believe this part. I mean I've been living the best years of my life in the past 2-3 having a fulfilling life and doing what makes me happy and reaching a lot of life goals but I've also never had anyone attracted to me before. So it hasn't happened to me "sooner or later".
/r/seduction19/08/19 07:13 PM
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You must be leading the conversation in that direction because there's really no reason why people just start asking how many people you've been with or asking if you're a virgin. It doesn't come out randomly. Usually when someone asks questions about me and it goes into the realm of dating or partners. Of which I try to steer away from because obviously I've never had any kind of romantic partner in any form. Owning your current status is confidence. Every fucking person starts a damn virgin. W…
/r/seduction04/08/19 01:26 PM
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Well sometimes people ask me about it. And I never know how to answer, I've never been able to have sex or do anything romantic before so I don't know how to. Random people don't ask me. It's usually like really close female friends mostly. I just avoid it or dodge the question cause even though yes people start as a virgin but being 27 and a virgin or never had a girlfriend before is just a gigantic red flag.
/r/seduction04/08/19 05:16 AM
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I'm sure I'd qualify as a beginner cause I've never had any woman like me before. I live in Dallas, I'm 27 years old.
/r/seduction04/08/19 05:13 AM
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What phase would I be in if I can pretty much talk to anyone without being nervous but I've never had any woman consider me good looking enough to escalate?
/r/seduction03/08/19 04:42 AM
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If I'm at a stage where I've not been able to have sex before should I ever talk about it to women? Platonic or otherwise?
/r/seduction03/08/19 04:39 AM
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Yea I've heard similar advice before. The looks matter thing was something that I didn't want to believe for the longest time. And I always had some hope that if I worked on myself enough and focused on improving what I have control over over hay someday I would be able to compensate for what I look like. After about 4-5 years of self improvement I see that isn't the case lol. Turns out looks matter. I understand that I'm not attractive enough for women, but what I've found out during my years o…
/r/seduction03/08/19 04:36 AM
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How has seduction for yall improved since last year ? I feel like I've been able to get more info from this sub this year and been able to add more to my notes. If you're talking about my success with seduction? Then no I've still not been able to reach that level of being attractive enough for women. How many girls have you meet from tinder or other meet up apps ? I don't have a tinder or meetup apps really. I'm not a very good looking guy so apps would not be a good idea to use in my scenario.…
/r/seduction03/08/19 04:32 AM
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Insanely well laid out advice. Definitely going in my notes for sure. I'll be honest I don't know what any of it means as I've never had any woman consider me attractive looking before so I have no context of what you're laying out here. But it's interesting nonetheless. Would you have any advice for men who are not good looking enough for women?
/r/seduction03/08/19 04:26 AM
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Well if I'm going by my personal standards then I've more than met and exceeded them lol.
/r/seduction30/07/19 02:08 PM
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Well I guess compared to me lol. I can see why they're good looking enough for women for sure.
/r/seduction30/07/19 01:06 PM
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A woman "rejecting" you is literally just them saying 'no thanks'. The same way that I or you would say 'no thanks' to someone offering a food sample or a flyer. Its not personal, you just don't want it. The person handing the flyer should take it personal and neither should a guy who gets rejected. That's the way I see it anyways. If anything a rejection or a clear cut 'no' I would consider productive because now you know to move on and focus on something else.
/r/seduction30/07/19 11:55 AM
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Well the inky reason I day that is because I've never had any woman consider me good looking before.
/r/seduction30/07/19 11:50 AM
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I mean I've never been good enough for a woman before so I don't really have the option to having multiple women. Would you have any advice for a guy who isn't attractive to women?
/r/seduction30/07/19 10:34 AM
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I've never had any woman consider me good looking enough to be attracted to me before so I've never been in any of these situations before. But I can recognize that it's solid advice and I'm definitely saving it in case it ever does happen. By any chance would you have any advice for a guy who isn't attractive to women?
/r/seduction30/07/19 10:32 AM
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I feel if I looked as attractive as the RSD guys maybe their advice would apply to me too.
/r/seduction30/07/19 10:27 AM
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Do everything you need to do to become confident: lift weights, get a good haircut, get clothes that fit you better, good hygiene, etc. This I feel helped me just in life in general. It was a key component to my self improvement and was something that I'm super glad I got down as a part of my daily routine. For me it hasn't had any correlation to being good looking to women so I'm not sure if it has anything to do with seduction but I would recommend this to anyone in any circumstance regardless…
/r/seduction30/07/19 10:15 AM
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Definitely when I began my self improvement my goals were 3 things. To get my health up to target (weight, diet, lifting, etc) To make friends for the first time. And to try different hobbies. By trying different hobbies I ended up making friends for the first time and ended up with real circle of friends that I can talk to and see regularly. It became a good thing because now I usually get invited to places or their parties and can meet more friends through that and also just have fun. Psychica…
/r/seduction30/07/19 10:03 AM
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Its definitely very odd when I hear men say that game is really simple lol. As in I'm sure it's simple for the rest of guys but for guys like myself it's never been something that I've ever been able to do before. I've done a lot to improve and focus on what I have control over but I've also never had any woman consider me good looking before in my life so I've never been in that position before. This community is definitely awesome and has helped me focus on improving myself but in terms of bei…
/r/seduction30/07/19 09:45 AM
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Yea I do work a lot on self improvement. But so far being myself hasn't been enough for a woman before. Even after my couple of years of self improvement. There are almost 3,5 billion girls in the world, so surely there are tons that like you for who you are. Yea I would imagine so as well but I've never had any woman consider me good enough to ever date or do anything with before in my life. Considering my age there's not much I'm sure I can do but I still continue to improve and keep being the…
/r/seduction27/07/19 03:38 AM
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Well I've never been good looking or attractive to any woman before. But it's what I work on to hopefully one day be enough to go on my first date possibly. I haven't reached that level of being even below average to qualify for women yet obviously but it's what I work on typically.
/r/seduction27/07/19 03:33 AM
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Yea, I've never had a woman consider me attractive before so I've never been in that situation or done anything like that before.
/r/seduction27/07/19 03:31 AM
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Well I've never been good looking enough for a woman before. So I've never been in that situation, of course I do improve myself and do what I can to become the best version of me possible so one day I'll hopefully be at that level to be attractive enough for at least one woman.
/r/seduction27/07/19 03:30 AM
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I see what you're saying, my issue is that I've never been in that position. Where I had a woman consider me attractive enough to do that with. I don't doubt that it's probably easy once you have a woman who considers you good looking.
/r/seduction26/07/19 12:35 PM
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I agree. I just wonder at what point am I good looking enough for women?
/r/seduction26/07/19 12:33 PM
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Well I don't really look away when people look at me. But if you're talking about in a romantic way, then no I haven't had a woman see me like that before. I very well could be the kind of guy women never look at.
/r/seduction26/07/19 12:33 PM
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I only say that cause I've never had those signals either. So passive or non passive I've never really had a woman consider me attractive before. I totally understand and agree that I don't have abundance mentality. I mean I've never had even one woman so how would I have an abundance of them? Lol. I get the idea behind abundance mentality but it seems like kind of an oxymoron. I mean logically the only guys who would have an abundance mentality are the ones who already have an abundance anyways…
/r/seduction26/07/19 02:17 AM
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Drive for life is definitely something I have and I can honestly say the life I currently have is a testament to that. Buy I don't look anywhere near as attractive as this guy so obviously the tale is going to be very different lol. I don't work out a lot though to make up for my bad looks but so far i haven't reached that level if compensating for it.
/r/seduction26/07/19 01:45 AM
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So what would you say to a person who is happy with themselves and has accomplished a lot so far in life? I mean there are still things I want to accomplish in life but a lot of life goals I've met because of my self improvement. I couldn't be happier with where I am in life but what I've leq d is that none of those improvements or my life has had any correlation with how attractive I look to women. Pardon if I sound ignorant because I don't have any experience with women but I'm not sure what t…
/r/seduction26/07/19 01:38 AM
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Well I'm not so sure about that advice. I mean I was myself for my whole life until when I was around 22 I decided I needed to improve myself if I ever wanted to reach a level at which I'm considered good enough for women like other men are. I knew I needed to become the best person I could possibly be in order to hopefully one day meet a womans standards so that I could someday go on a date or have a woman attracted to me. I spent my whole life being myself and never had a woman like me, today …
/r/seduction26/07/19 01:35 AM
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Well this question would probably be helpful for guys like myself who've never been in a position to be able to hold a girls hand before. I work on myself a lot but I've never had the opportunity to hold hands before and reading threads like this helps me add to my notes.
/r/seduction26/07/19 01:30 AM
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Two major questions from this. It kinda sucks but I feel it happened on every piece of advice I see or read where the person will say the advice applies if you're attractive lol. I'm not a very attractive looking guy so advice like this really ends up not applying to me. But the second us that they talk about abundance mentality but dont ever really talk about guys who aren't attractive enough to get one woman let alone an abundance? I've never had any woman attracted to me before so I've never …
/r/seduction26/07/19 01:27 AM
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Well conversation with people hasn't been an issue. Part of my self improvement was to male friends and I've managed to blow past my goals with that and now have consistent circles of friends of which I'm proud of honestly. What about YOU is attractive? Well that's kinds the issue I'm sure. I'm not a very good looking guy so I'm pretty much out of luck on that.
/r/seduction26/07/19 12:36 AM
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I've had a stable job for about 4 years now, good hygiene obviously and I'd like to think I'm a decent person, although I'm sure that would be subjective. I don't think women's standards are crazy necessarily. But I've never met any womans standards before. I think it says more of my level than it does women's standards if you want my opinion on it.
/r/seduction26/07/19 12:21 AM
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I've had a stable job for about 4 years now, good hygiene obviously and I'd like to think I'm a decent person, although I'm sure that would be subjective. I don't think women's standards are crazy necessarily. But I've never met any womans standards before. I think it says more of my level than it does women's standards if you want my opinion on it.
/r/seduction26/07/19 12:17 AM
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We're not a group of guys trying to get you laid. We're a group of guys that are trying to teach people how to be themselves in a way that will attract women. I guess part of the problem is that for guys like myself who aren't very good looking, who we are is not attractive to women. So inherently I've never had a woman be attracted to me before so we turn to guys like yourselves who are good enough for women to help.
/r/seduction24/07/19 09:43 AM
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I'm not sure about the energy or force this he's talking about. But as a guy who isn't very good looking myself, I've found out that some guys just aren't good looking to women. I've done a lot to focus in what is within my control to compensate for that but so far I haven't reached that level of other guys who are good looking enough to be attractive to women.
/r/seduction24/07/19 09:36 AM
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it's guaranteed that your school, work and social circle have several attractive women that you can practice game on. Actually it's not really guaranteed. If anything I'm kinda proof of it because of all the women I know or have known I've never had any woman consider me attractive before. So there's never been that opportunity where I was considered good looking enough or attractive to be able to do any of that. So I wouldn't say its guaranteed as for a guy like myself it's never happened befor…
/r/seduction24/07/19 09:31 AM
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I guess I can see the concept behind this. I'm sure it makes more sense to successful men such as yourself. I mean, one of the reasons why I can't relate in any way to advice here in seduction or from pua is because it always references "your first girlfriend" or "your first date, kiss, etc" or the first girl to like you. I've never had any woman consider me good looking enough to date before. I've never had a woman consider me attractive before so I can't really understand what people mean by a…
/r/seduction24/07/19 09:30 AM
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Lol I wouldn't say that. I mean I'm the most financially stable I've ever been in my life and it's only getting better. Buy I've never had any woman consider me attractive before in my life let alone sexy in any capacity.
/r/seduction24/07/19 09:22 AM
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But the moment you decide to make the conscious decision to get better You put yourself ahead of millions, instantly. You know when I began self improvement I believed this. After about 3-4 years now of improving myself I have been able to turn my life around and become who I wanted to be. But what I also learned is that none of my personal success had any correlation with how good I looked to women. I thought that by focusing on improving myself that I'd be putting myself ahead of others and im…
/r/seduction24/07/19 09:19 AM
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I know this may be unrelated to pickup/seduction but this post seriously just gave me images and vibes of my youth. I remember listening to my Beatles CD, and the song Here comes the Sun made me commit to running away from home. For the same reason you listed, TAKE RISKS. I hated my life, I knew leaving was a risk. But I took it anyways, knowing my life could only get better by leaving the environment I grew to hate. I wanted change. Thanks to that I was able to begin the life I wanted, I was ab…
/r/seduction24/07/19 09:08 AM
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Interacting with someone you like and becoming intimate with them is not rocket science. Well for me it kinda is a rocket science as I've never been able to figure it out or ever been in a position to be good enough to do it.
/r/seduction24/07/19 08:53 AM
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Self improvement So your weakness is appearance. What have you done to fix that? Changed clothes? Styled hair? Lost weight? Fixed posture? Trained your voice? Yes to pretty much all lol. Since I began self improvement my goals were in lifting, diet/weight, because of my weight loss I've changed my wardrobe twice over and each time better fitting clothes. (Now I get pretty much everything tailored) My posture was never an issue really, my voice has always been good and I get compliments on it whe…
/r/seduction24/07/19 08:51 AM
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Fortunately you can overcome this. One of the biggest players in the game was Patrice O'Neal. I just googled him out of curiosity. And yea I'm definitely not as good looking as he is lol. To say it is a fantasy is not true. There are always ways! I know it's not a fantasy in reality to other men but to myself it's a fantasy because it's never happened before. As in all i can really do it just fantasize about a woman finding me attractive or holding hands with a woman, going on a date etc. Those …
/r/seduction19/07/19 09:13 PM
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I understand. But I think they go hand in hand. Both groups are in the same boat of not being good enough for women. I think it's how they accept that fact that determines their behavior or reactions to it.
/r/seduction19/07/19 09:00 PM
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That's what I do now. I only focus in what I have control over such as the things you mentioned. It's what I've worked at for around 4 years now, and even though I haven't hit that point of being good looking enough for women. I still continue my routine and continue doing what I can to improve.
/r/seduction19/07/19 08:59 PM
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Just wondering what you said, would any of that apply if I only knew my dad? And he didn't really do those things that you mentioned?
/r/seduction19/07/19 07:52 PM
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Because being mixed mexican/italian should no even be something to be concerned. That is not what is keeping you to meet girls. I dowsnt stop me from meeting women. But I feel that mix of race it's probably very detrimental consider that it's not very desirable? I mean I'm not sure but it just seems like it. Meeting women is not really a big deal, but of any woman that I've met or know I've never had any consider me attractive or good looking before. Probably if I had your body with my mentality…
/r/seduction19/07/19 07:48 PM
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This mexican italian is bullshit and does not make sense to me. If you don't mind me asking what makes you say this? Well, i think you should just try to learn something and improve. Yea I've worked on self improvement for about 4 years now. And while my life is the best it's ever been I really haven't reached that point if being attractive to women yet from what it seems. I think the book called Models is very famous around here recently, so you should try it I've read models before, I thought …
/r/seduction19/07/19 06:50 PM
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I mean, I'm the definition of an incel but I don't really subscribe to those idea that you wrote out. I don't put the blame on anyone but myself, and I'm definitely not a victim in any sense of the word. Being unattractive is hardly a 'victim' situation in my opinion. The problem with Incels is not only will they not give themselves a chance, but they won't even take the most minute of corrective steps in the opposite direction of where they're heading. I personally have focused on what I have c…
/r/seduction19/07/19 06:25 PM
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I'm not sure if I subscribe to this idea. I mean I'm an incel, as in I've never had any woman like me or consider me attractive before. But I don't hate women or have this fear of them. I fully understand that it's up to me to meet the standards of women and if I don't do that then I have no one to blame but myself. Even at my worst (when I was a kid) I never felt that I was pitted against the world. I felt like the world was more of a great challenge than anything. I see more ways for me to suc…
/r/seduction19/07/19 05:56 PM
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Well I'm 27 and never had any woman consider me attractive before. I'm sure those 40 year old men were attractive way before 27 lol, I'm still working on myself trying to reach that point.
/r/seduction19/07/19 05:52 PM
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Haha, thanks man. I mean I'm 27 so that time is kinda past me, but that doesn't mean I can't still live my life to the fullest even without women, dating, etc.
/r/seduction19/07/19 05:47 PM
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Don’t get me wrong, there are incels working to improve themselves, but the ones we usually hear about are how I described above. There are so many categories that incels identify as too, but ultimately, it’s a mental condition with a basis of inexistent self-confidence. I definitely agree. I unfortunately am a definitely incel as I've never had any woman attracted to me before or had that opportunity. But I fully understand that it is up to me toi improve who I am and live the best life I can p…
/r/seduction19/07/19 05:47 PM
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I appreciate it, you don't have to feel sad for us. We kinda know the situation and we have pretty much two options, either just give up or continue working on ourselves in order to someday be good enough for women. I chose the latter and still continue my life and doing everything I can to improve.
/r/seduction19/07/19 05:42 PM
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I guess in a nutshell it'd be that I've never had a woman consider me attractive before, and I'm kinda not young anymore as I just turned 27. Also I'm half mexican and half italian, which I'm sure just makes everything worse lol. But mostly my situation is that I don't have any experience with women because I've never had the opportunity to ever be attractive to any woman before.
/r/seduction19/07/19 05:41 PM
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Their low self-esteem, and miserable view of the world, must cause them a lot of avoidable suffering. The thing is I really don't have a miserable view of the world. Even at my worst point when I was a kid, I ran away from home because I always knew the world outside was way better than what I have been living. And I honestly feel like that still to this day, I know the world isn't a bad place and the people in it are just as great. Now I do fall into the category of incel because I've never had…
/r/seduction19/07/19 05:39 PM
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They have standards that are deep in the realm of fantasy. I wouldn't say this. I mean I'm not a very good looking guy myself so it would be very hypocritical of me to judge any woman as well. My goal was always to be enough to go on a date with a woman someday. I wouldn't say no to someone who thought I was good enough to date. Then again I've never had any woman consider me attractive enough to good looking enough to date before. I mean part of the reason why I began self improvement was to in…
/r/seduction19/07/19 05:35 PM
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I used to feel sad about myself being an incel too, my self improvement really got me out of that mindset. While I'm still an incel by definition as I've never had any woman consider me attractive, I'm not really sad or identify with it anymore. Although I'm not very good looking so I don't fall into that attractive camp that you're talking about lol.
/r/seduction19/07/19 05:33 PM
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I definitely qualify as incel 100%, and anyone willing to help I'm all ears for sure. I've never seen or read any kind of info that would even apply to my situation so there really isn't much help out there for men who aren't good looking enough for women.
/r/seduction19/07/19 05:26 PM
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As an incel myself I would take any kind if help I could get lol. I think the word incel has different meaning to people. For me, I consider myself an incel because I've never been good looking enough to ever be attractive to a woman before. And because I've never been attractive to women before I've never had the opportunity to date or ever do anything romantic with women. So involuntarily I am celibate. I don't hate women, or society, etc. I totally understand that I'm the one that needs to st…
/r/seduction19/07/19 05:25 PM
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Well considering I'm 27 and never had any woman consider me good looking, I don't thin it's in my head. At some point you just know that's the reality of the situation and you move from there. It's a tough pill to swallow but there is merit to seeing that just because I'm not attractive doesn't mean I can't live a good life. I look forward to that life even if it is void of dating and romance.
/r/seduction17/07/19 05:01 PM
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Your new year resolution was to go on a date? The underlying tone of this suggests you’ve had a “needy” mindset for far too long. Now it seems like you’re looking to compensate to the other extreme and sideline women completely. I wouldn't call it a need so much as a want. I totally understand that dating or women are not necessary for me to live. It was just something that I wanted to experience before my time was up. You mentioned a few times that you don’t consider yourself good looking. Does…
/r/seduction17/07/19 05:00 PM
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I'm not sure. I've noticed that luck has never been my benefactor. Everything I've done has been because I got it done.
/r/seduction17/07/19 04:42 PM
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You know, I can 100% tell this is great advice. I mean just by the way you laid it out it shows you know what you're talking about. I personally can't relate to any of it as I've never been in that position where I ever had a woman consider me good looking before. But reading these things really puts into perspective what dating is like when women find you attractive enough to date. It just really paints a good picture of what interactions are when you're at that level. I've worked and imagined …
/r/seduction17/07/19 04:26 PM
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Would this apply if you've never met any womans standards before? I mean I'm not a very good looking guy so I can't really judge anyone on their looks, but I've never had any woman consider me attractive before so I don't think I'd be in a position to judge a woman.
/r/seduction17/07/19 04:06 PM
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The part of you that dismisses all women's thoughts about you, by overriding their opinions with your own. I don't really dismiss women's opinions. If a woman has an honest opinion toward me and I value their opinion as in I know them or are my friend, etc. Then I do take it into consideration. but because you haven't acknowledged it a single time. Honestly excuse me if I seem confused but how would I be able to acknowledge it if it hasn't happened before? You are refusing to accept the knowledg…
/r/seduction15/07/19 02:59 PM
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I'm not entirely sure this would be correct. As in the past year specifically I've met more women than I ever have in my whole life. Mostly due to having real social circles for the first time, and a number of the good friends I've met in that time were women or married couples and I notice they tend to know other women obviously. And while I have met more women in the last year than ever before, I've still never had any woman consider me attractive before in my life, and that's including all th…
/r/seduction15/07/19 12:49 PM
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This is definitely one of the issues I'm currently at. Since I've never been attractive to any woman before in my life I'm working on become enough to be datable.
/r/seduction15/07/19 12:44 PM
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I feel that's definitely one of the issues I'm currently at. Considering I've never had a woman find me attractive before.
/r/seduction15/07/19 12:44 PM
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Really? I feel a lot of the advice here is way lot skewed towards more advanced stuff and men who are already attractive to women. A lot of it goes on iois and what to do one a date, etc. But there is little to almost no info in guys who are not attractive looking to women, or have have never had an ioi before.
/r/seduction15/07/19 12:43 PM
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You wouldn't know an IOI if it pulled your dick out and sucked it. You'd tell me she didn't find you attractive and that she was just doing it because she felt so sorry for how ugly you are! I think you may be exaggerating for effect. If someone did ever show me an IOI I would never dismiss it as pity, keep in mind I've never had any woman show me any signs of interest before so why would you think I would dismiss the very first one that I would get in my life? Logically that just wouldn't make …
/r/seduction15/07/19 12:04 PM
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Yea, since I started gaining social circles in the past year or so I've met more people, and in turn women than ever before. As for become more attractive, well that's something isn't so much in my control as I'm not a very good looking guy myself but I do what I can to compensate.
/r/seduction15/07/19 04:03 AM
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Intimate connections with hundreds. "Dated" under a hundred, but God damn dating is tedious, so hard to keep track. Actual long-term relationships? Few. You become picky and classify women quickly. Haha, well even going from thousands to hundreds is still kinda insane to me. Again, you're talking to a guy who can't even have one woman like me and I'm here talking to you who's had hundreds. The disparity alone makes for an interesting topic in my head. I mean you've been with so many women that y…
/r/seduction15/07/19 04:01 AM
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Well yes of course. I've just never met any woman who thought I was attractive before.
/r/seduction15/07/19 01:50 AM
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This can set a precedent for the rest of your life to where you might even achieve what you think you want now, and still be discontent with it. Well most things I've been able to achieve by working at it. There's tons of things I knew I could do if it just worked enough and practiced. I think setting goals is a very important part if me getting things done. And I am most definitely not discontent with my life for doing so. You should act out of inspiration and pro activity towards your goals, s…
/r/seduction14/07/19 11:16 PM
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Not sure if you're being facetious but I'll assume you're not lol. Yes, of course I've spoken to a woman.
/r/seduction14/07/19 11:15 PM
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Well, you talk about women's (un)attraction to you like you can read minds. Not to toot my own horn, but I'm petty damn good at telling when women are attracted to me or unattracted to me. And even though I'm pretty good, I can only read something between 25-50% of women! The rest are a total mystery. So far I'm currently at 0% lol. And it's not like my take on it, I mean that as in I've never had a woman consider me attractive before. Trust me, if it ever did happen I don't think I'd be in this…
/r/seduction14/07/19 11:14 PM
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If you don't mind me asking why would you consider it counter productive? If it is then I'll kinda feel terrible cause that would mean the past 4 years of my life have been counter productive and I'll definitely feel like crap lol. I highly recommend just approaching women with intent and getting a feel for what it’s like to try to build attraction before assuming you’re not worthy. Well I've never had a woman find me attraction or good looking enough to consider dating or attractive so I've nev…
/r/seduction14/07/19 09:47 PM
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I feel like your thought process is women are purely driven by how you look. Well given how I've never had a woman consider me attractive before that's been my primary issue and my main focus as well. if your attitude and confidence going into every set is ‘I’m too ugly for her’ she’s going to pick that up EVERY SINGLE TIME. Other kinds of conversations go well for the most part. But if you're talking about women finding g me attractive then obviously that hasn't happened before so I've never be…
/r/seduction14/07/19 09:30 PM
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Yea, it's definitely helped me a lot. Since I started that a few years ago I feel way better and have reached a lot of personal goals. I've lost a lot of weight but so far its had no effect on how I look to women.
/r/seduction14/07/19 08:26 PM
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Because I've never had any woman consider me attractive before. I've never been in a situation where I had that opportunity.
/r/seduction14/07/19 08:20 PM
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This is an internal issue of yours, and you’re putting the blame on women, and unless you wake the fuck up you’re not going to get past it, especially not by spontaneously ending up with your dream woman without your initiative—which will never happen. Wait where did I put the blame in women? Wouldn't the blame be solely on me? I mean I'm the one who is supposed to be enough and improve who I am to meet their standards. I'm not going to get angry or blame someone for having standards lol. It's u…
/r/seduction14/07/19 08:19 PM
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No, what makes you say that?
/r/seduction14/07/19 07:04 PM
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Well I've met a lot of people over the past year specifically. Definitely more women than I ever have. But I've never met or known a woman who considered me good looking enough to be attractive.
/r/seduction14/07/19 07:04 PM
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What the fuck do you expect to happen, a girl, who often deals with way more insecurity and social pressure than you, to just walk up to you and express intent? I don't really feel any social pressure or insecurity regarding it. If I did I wouldn't really have gone to make friends or have social circles like I have. But I haven't had any woman consider me attractive or show interest etc. I’ve seen fat and troll-looking dudes end up with very attractive women and when I talk to the girls they imm…
/r/seduction14/07/19 07:03 PM
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Yea, and I'm not very good looking so I know I got pretty screwed in that end lol. Not much I can do about it either than focus in what I have control over. And mo I've never had any woman consider me attractive or romantic intent etc. I've never been in any situation where I did anything romantic with a woman or had the opportunity to.
/r/seduction14/07/19 05:29 PM
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Well aside from not being good looking my life has been in my control once I personally took control of it. Outside of women, dating, etc I'd say it pretty fair. Just because I'm not attractive to women doesn't mean I can't love a good life. I honestly would never ask my female friends to fix this issue lol. First of all it would be very embarrassing and second, it's not really their issue to resolve. It's up to me to fix it. Not much they can do.
/r/seduction14/07/19 05:23 PM
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Yea but looks being the most important part there isn't much I can do about that aspect. I'm terms of self amusement and going out, I've kinda got that down already.
/r/seduction14/07/19 04:18 PM
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Oh I know. I'm just not a dancing kinda person, I've tried it before but I can't get the rhythm right.
/r/seduction14/07/19 04:02 PM
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Yea I focus on what I have control over. Like weight, lifting, grooming, clothes, etc. But I'm not sure if all that has made any changes in what I look like despite focusing on it for a few years now. I wouldn't say life isn't fair. I'm not really that bothered by the fact that I'm not good looking, the only way its affected me has been with women and dating as I've never had the opportunity to date or do anything because of how I look.
/r/seduction14/07/19 03:52 PM
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If you feel deep down like you would be able to offer a great interaction with someone had you been the given the chance, focus more on that voice than the one saying you’re not worthy of the interaction. I have been able to offer that, many times to many different people. So that's not really an issue. Also it's not that I feel I'm not worthy. It's just that I never have been worthy so far, and the only reason I say that is because I've never had any woman consider me worthy before. So I'm just…
/r/seduction14/07/19 03:31 PM
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Well so far I've never had a woman consider me attractive, that's the reason I say it hasn't happened before because it honestly never has. I've never met a woman who considered me good looking or attractive, etc. Is it considered delusional when that's my currently reality? I'm genuinely asking, because i think if i were to ignore those facts and lie about it would be more delusional than facing the facts and owning up to it and using that to fix my issues and focus on fixing what is in my cont…
/r/seduction14/07/19 03:24 PM
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I also remember that you don't try. I mean I've been trying for around 3-4 years now and I've really been able to achieve the life that I've always wanted along with reaching personal goals. So I don't think I'd be able to say that I don't try. You're waiting around for a woman to like you, without putting yourself around women. You're waiting for a woman to talk to you, so that you can get better at talking to women. You're working on yourself in hopes that you can attract a woman without havin…
/r/seduction14/07/19 02:54 PM
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I like the way you laid out this info. I've never been in a situation where a woman found me attractive enough to date or anything but if someday I am enough for a woman I will definitely relay to this type of info. I will be including your comment in my notes for the future cause I really like the way you explained your ideas. Part of me I guess wishes I would one day be able to use this and go on my first date one day but it is also good info lol. So I'm saving it for both those reasons. In ca…
/r/seduction14/07/19 01:46 PM
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Well converstaion with anyone is relatively easy. I mean you can speak to anyone about anything as long as you know what you're saying and you actually care about what you're even talking about. Generally people like to listen to what people care about so as long as they're decent at just holding a conversation, which pretty much everyone is. Conversation is part of my job so I've never had a problem with it but obviously conversation and being good looking enough for someone to find me attracti…
/r/seduction14/07/19 01:42 PM
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Yea, I realized around when I was 20 that I wasn't very good looking. So since I was about 23 I began self improvement. I had a lot of bad stuff going on in my life regarding family so I cut that off at the expense of just being on my own. I really stuck to and focused on improving myself and doing everything I can to take advantage of things that are in my control such as money, my weight/health, lifting, grooming, etc. And it's been around 4 years now and I have personally met a ton of goals t…
/r/seduction14/07/19 01:40 PM
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Yea, I realized around when I was 20 that I wasn't very good looking. So since I was about 23 I began self improvement. I had a lot of bad stuff going on in my life regarding family so I cut that off at the expense of just being on my own. I really stuck to and focused on improving myself and doing everything I can to take advantage of things that are in my control such as money, my weight/health, lifting, grooming, etc. And it's been around 4 years now and I have personally met a ton of goals t…
/r/seduction14/07/19 01:40 PM
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Well I don't really know how to dance myself is more what I was talking about.
/r/seduction14/07/19 01:33 PM
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That's really, honestly crazy to think about man. Me personally, I've never been good looking enough for a woman before so I wouldn't be able to relate to you in terms of being with a woman or going on dates, etc. but reading your comment really helps me get a picture of what it resembles at least lol. Even just being able to one day be good enough to go on a date with one woman would be a dream. I can't imagine having a history of women or sleeping with a woman to be honest, aside from like see…
/r/seduction14/07/19 01:28 PM
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Well I don't really judge or rate people considering I'm not very good looking myself. But I have been working on myself a lot in order to someday reach a woman's standards and hopefully go on my first date someday.
/r/seduction14/07/19 01:25 PM
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Well league definitely exist is the issue as I've personally never been in any woman's league before. I've never had a woman consider me good looking enough to date or do anything with. At least not romantically.
/r/seduction14/07/19 01:25 PM
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Not sure if that one is true, as I've never been in any woman's league before. But I do work on it to hopefully be in someone's league or good looking enough to meet at least one woman's standards during my lifetime.
/r/seduction14/07/19 01:24 PM
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I'm not sure if that's the case because I've never been in any woman's league before. So league definitely exist, although I've never been good looking enough to be in anyone league before.
/r/seduction14/07/19 01:23 PM
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Well I've never had any woman be in my league before as I've never had any woman consider me attractive or good looking enough to date or find me attractive before. That's kinda what I'm working on now is to hopefully one day be in a league or someone's league to one day hopefully go on my first date and meet at least one woman's standards during my lifetime.
/r/seduction14/07/19 01:22 PM
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Well to be fair not everyone knows how to dance.
/r/seduction14/07/19 01:20 PM
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Sticky points? I mean I've had people give me their number, but it's been mostly for contact, etc and not really in a romantic way. And yea, I'm not a good looking guy so I'm not really surprised exactly that I've never had a woman consider me good attractive enough. But I do focus on what I have control over like my weight, lifting, grooming, clothes, etc. So that's about all else I can do and I continue working on that as much as I can. Yea, my goal is to one day be good looking enough to meet…
/r/seduction14/07/19 01:10 PM
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Well I'm not a very good looking guy so I'm not one to judge. I know what I have wrong and I work everyday to fix it and to improve myself and to keep moving forward and hopefully one day I will be enough to meet at least one womans standards. Not much else I can do about my look at this point either than keep improving and keep focusing on what I can control.
/r/seduction12/07/19 11:03 PM
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During my free time I'm either out with with friends or at one of their gatherings. Either a get together, event or some party they're doing. But no, I've never been in a situation where I got laid if that's what you're asking.
/r/seduction12/07/19 02:35 AM
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You're always trying to convince others that no woman ever finds you attractive I only mention it because it's never happened before. but do children literally shudder at your appearance. Do babies begin crying? Lol no. It's sososo important that you get them to feel comfortable around you. Well I feel most people are comfortable around me. I don't think that's an issue. I actually used to think that until people kept inviting me to things or when they wouldn't want to leave my place lol. The BE…
/r/seduction12/07/19 01:15 AM
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Yes I honestly can. I mean about 3-4 years ago when I began my self improvement that was all part of it. To get myself into shape, and because of the weight loss I had to buy an entire new wardrobe about two different times, but the positive was that I chose better fitting and more my style clothes. (I found getting my clothes tailored did wonders all around, now I get everything tailored) Posture was never an issue for me, hairstyle I had a female friend of mine help me out with that a about a …
/r/seduction11/07/19 11:42 PM
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I constantly see pretty ugly guys with their arms around girls way out of their league. Haha, well I guess if you have to put in into perspective. I've never had any woman consider me good looking enough to be attractive before so to give you an idea of what I look like, I look worse than those guys you'd call "pretty ugly" considering that they're still good looking enough to be attractive enough for women and I've never had any woman find me attractive before. And the making girlfriends is act…
/r/seduction11/07/19 10:39 PM
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Yea, to say I've gotten my shit together would be an understatement lol. Compared to how my life was about 3 years ago I'd say I've completely redirected myself from a collision course. may I ask you what your fitness goals are? At the moment it's going for a sub 15% and eventually sub 10% bodyfat, while also retaining the strength I've gotten from lifting. Also certain squat and bench numbers are on my list as well, keep pushing personal bests. as I get more of my shit together I find girls jus…
/r/seduction11/07/19 09:34 PM
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I promise you, women don’t care if you’re beautiful Well I mean in order to be attractive to a woman they need to he attracted to you right? I've never been good looking enough for a woman before so I've never met any womans standards before. So in my experience from what it seems, it really does matter whether or not you're attractive enough considering that I never have been. go to the gym, get a hair cut that suits your face, and wear clothes that fit... oh and shower you’ll be fine Well of c…
/r/seduction11/07/19 01:19 PM
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almost every problem in your dating life can be fixed by doubling down on yourself and becoming a better person I don't think this one is entirely true. About 3-4 years ago I decided to do just this. To begin self improvement, set personal goals physically and professionally and develop the mental routine to get it all done. While I have managed to turn my life around, and meet a lot of my personal goals in the gym, weight, health, etc. One of my goals was to go on my first date someday. Even af…
/r/seduction11/07/19 10:54 AM
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I'm not sure how accurate it would be but my experience has been kinda the opposite. I've been able to make a lot of friends recently as I've gotten to know more people in the last year than my whole life. Naturally a lot of them are women, and while there have been many I got along with or some that invite me to their friend groups, gatherings, etc. I've never had any woman consider me good looking before in my life. I've never had a woman consider me good looking enough to be attractive before…
/r/seduction11/07/19 10:49 AM
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I guess I'm in the same boat in terms of having the worst height and racial mix possible lol. I'm 5'9 and half Mexican and half Italian, so I got really really screwed on both ends in terms of being the least attractive race mix and height possible lol. But I do what I can to compensate for my being short and half/half.
/r/seduction11/07/19 10:44 AM
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But you CHOOSE not to approach women and flirt with them. You need to approach a girl, even though she might not find you attractive. I wouldn't say that's the case. As I mentioned I've met more women in the past year than I ever have in my life simply due to the amount of friends I made and and people in general I've met. I'll never complain about meeting new people and not everyone has gotten along with me but I've still been able to find people who really enjoy my company enough to invite me …
/r/seduction11/07/19 10:36 AM
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Would you know if this is applicable to guys who aren't attractive to women?
/r/seduction11/07/19 03:48 AM
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"I've never been in that opportunity before." Every minute you are alive, you have the opportunity. You CHOOSE to take no action. I wouldn't say I've taken no action. I wouldn't be where I am today if I took no action. I had to run from home before I graduated high school and find my own path. I did that because I knew it was best for me to set myself up for the successful I knew I could achieve. I'd hardly say that is taking no action. In terms of women, no I've never been in that situation tha…
/r/seduction11/07/19 03:36 AM
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That's your own fault. Oh I totally agree. I would never insinuate that my natural issues are anyone's fault except my own. It is my responsibility and mine alone. Which is why I made the decision to begin my self improvement and focus on the things that I do have control over such as my diet, lifting, grooming, clothes, etc. I understand it's up to me to meet a womans standards and not the other way around. It would be nothing short of stupid to blame anyone else, let alone women for my shortco…
/r/seduction11/07/19 02:43 AM
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you don’t think you can reach ANY women’s looks requirement, or just not the women that you want? I've never been able to reach any woman's standards for looks before. I've never had a woman consider me good looking enough to ever date before. It is something that I've worked on a lot but I've still never been good looking enough for any woman before.
/r/seduction10/07/19 08:35 PM
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Well I have spoken to women before obviously and met some through friends, etc but as I've mentioned I've never been in that situation where a woman considered me attractive before so I've never been in that opportunity before. You do not know what the problem is. It is naive to believe that a psychiatrist with decades of studying the same problem (human attraction) could not offer you anything. Well my problem is that I'm not very good looking to women, I mean I think that much is for certain c…
/r/seduction10/07/19 08:05 PM
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Do you have any advice for a guy who isn't good looking enough for women? I'm not a very good looking guy as I've never had any woman consider me attractive before in my life so I've never met those standards.
/r/seduction10/07/19 08:01 PM
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Do you have any advice for a guy like myself who isn't good looking enough to pass a womans minimum looks requirement? I've never had any woman consider me attractive enough to be good looking before in my life so I don't really meet those standards.
/r/seduction10/07/19 07:59 PM
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Well some guys like myself have never had the opportunity to ever do anything romantic with a woman so some men don't really have much of an option.
/r/seduction10/07/19 07:51 PM
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First of all, what do you think attractive means? For me attractiveness means that the opposite sex or your preferred sex finds you attractive. Like no woman is ever going to date or kiss anyone that they don't find attractive. And that's my issue at hand. I'm not attractive to women so that's what I work on. I don't know what country you're from, but in Western countries, you don't need to wait for a sign of attraction. I live in TX, lived most of my childhood in Mexico but primarily in the US …
/r/seduction06/07/19 08:37 AM
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Listen, I think you're probably not as unattractive as you think Well for me I judge it by if women find me attractive or not. I mean that would be the best way to judge don't you think? I've worked on myself a lot but I have never been found attractive by any woman before. If you are also dealing with some kind of facial deformity, I completely sympathize. I don't have any deformities. The only thing I can list is that I have a small noticable scar above my left ear around my temple from a prev…
/r/seduction06/07/19 07:22 AM
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I'm not really sure about this one. I mean I've gone out and had great times with making friends or meeting their friends, etc. While I wouldn't say I regret any of it as it's been the most fun I've had in a long time. I wouldn't say my time ever came.
/r/seduction06/07/19 07:00 AM
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Man, I've never had any woman consider me good looking before in my life, let alone 10 women lol. I guess I don't really have that perspective but I guess some guys really do have 10 women who find them attractive lol, I only wish I had that opportunity to be honest. My initial goal was to go on my first date, and improve myself to be able to meet at least one woman's standards in my lifetime. While I still do work on myself and continue to improve I've never met any woman who considered me good…
/r/seduction06/07/19 06:54 AM
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My only advice is to become a "yes" man. Say yes to every invitation you get from friends or colleagues. Go outside and put yourself out of your comfort zone. You know someone gave me something similar to this advice a while ago and I decided to abide by it. The friends that I was able to make prior to that did continue to invite me to places or parties that they did and I would accept in order to really go places and meet people that I'd never otherwise visit or meet. While I can say 100% it is…
/r/seduction06/07/19 06:51 AM
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Those ugly guys do not have girlfriends because they are physically attractive. I think the difference is that they are attractive enough to at least meet the standards of women, or else they wouldn't have girlfriends. My goal, is to be at the level where I meet women's standards too. Like in my experiences, yes I have been called some of those things that you list. But the difference is that I haven't met a woman's standards to be considered good looking enough or attractive by a woman before. …
/r/seduction06/07/19 06:35 AM
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I don't think that seeking the approval of others is a healthy end goal. It's not so much the approval but my goal is to meet a womans standards. Obviously in order to qualify for like a date or something they have to approve of you so I guess it comes with the territory. Also, I guarantee that you're already capable of meeting "at least one woman's standards." If you don't mind me asking. What makes you say that? There are many lonely and desperate women out there. Haha well I've never met any.…
/r/seduction06/07/19 03:02 AM
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You've been told that before, but have you been told that every single time? I wouldn't say every single time. But I've met more people in the last year than o ever have in my life, and I'm very thankful and proud of that and the friends I've been able to make but out of all the women I've met I've never had anyone consider me good looking enough to be considered attractive. Which ultimately is fine as I've been able male a lot of friends but the end goal is still what I try and work towards dai…
/r/seduction06/07/19 12:49 AM
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Are all of these women explicitly telling you that you are not attractive enough? I've been told that before yea. It's one of the reasons why I began self improvement in the first place. My point is that if you are passionate about something and you are a good storyteller, people will want to spend time with you There's more than a few things that I'm passionate about. As far as story telling, I think I'm ok. I mean I've had friends invite me places strictly to meet their friends or tell a certa…
/r/seduction06/07/19 12:16 AM
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Well I've met my personal standards. I set a lot of personal goals and expectations, mostly for my quality of life as well as physically goals. M If your personal standards for yourself are high, you'll get women without trying. I don't know if I'd say that, as I've personally never had any woman consider me good looking enough to be considered attractive or date. But so far I've never met any woman's standard before.
/r/seduction05/07/19 11:38 PM
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Well I mostly focus on it because of my goal being that I'm looking to go on my first date someday. And I'm doing what I can to improve myself and hopefully meet a womans standards for the first time as I've never had a woman consider me attractive in my life before.
/r/seduction05/07/19 11:25 PM
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You're too invested in the notion that women aren't attracted to you, it's a limiting belief Well it's not so much a belief or notion as it is mostly a fact. I mean when you spend your whole life with no woman ever finding you attractive, at some point you realize it's you who has to improve and work on yourself you know? You can't just say it's women, I fully understand that I have to meet their standards if I ever want to be good looking to a woman. If I ever want to go on a date someday or ho…
/r/seduction05/07/19 05:16 PM
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Confidence when fully embraced permeates every aspect of your life and how you present yourself. It's the thing that people immediately pick up on when you enter a room or when you first encounter them. There's a lot going on that isn't verbal when you "show up". ​I do understand that part, that's why it's been an integral part of my work when it comes to the self improvement that I began about 3-4 years ago. It's what's helped me in my career, my being able to make actual friends for the first …
/r/seduction05/07/19 05:05 PM
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Your post illustrates your negative dialog and your lack of understanding of what attracts women. If you don't mind me asking, what part of my post would you consider negative dialogue? And yes I obviously will admit that I do lack understanding in being attractive. As I'm not a very good looking person myself I will fully admit to that, I've never had a woman consider me good looking before so I wouldn't try and hide that. Instead I look at that and see what can I focus on to fix that? If it is…
/r/seduction05/07/19 04:44 PM
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Just learn to respect and value yourself, not be socially retarded, the basics of attraction, and forget everything else. Well I'm not sure if this would be ideal for a person like me as I pretty much follow this already but I've never had any woman consider me good looking enough to find me attractive before. Now I do focus a lot on what I do have control over like my self improvement that I've been doing for a few years now but I've never had any woman consider me attractive before in my life …
/r/seduction05/07/19 04:36 PM
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Well I don't really have negative dialogue with myself, I mostly focus on the reality of my situation and focus on what I have control over in order to change or improve my situation. I've personally never had any woman consider me good looking enough to find me attractive before in my life so primarily my original goal was to one day maybe meet a woman's standards enough to have my first date, or kiss/hold hands for the first time or something. But either way I do continue and improve myself so…
/r/seduction05/07/19 04:30 PM
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Well I'm 27 so I'm not sure if my moment has come lol. Just being non-overweight is enough to have a simple and satisfying sex life. I'm not sure about that as I haven't been overweight since like 2 years ago and I've still never had any woman consider me good looking enough to date or be attracted to. And of course my hygiene is imperative, it always has been to me.
/r/seduction05/07/19 04:28 PM
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Well yea I don't know how much of that is even applicable considering I've never been in that position at all before. I've never had any woman consider me good looking enough to be attracted to.
/r/seduction03/07/19 04:51 PM
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I got down sub 15% body fat and instantly, no kidding, had more success with women. I'm definitely getting there. I hope as well that when I become sub 15% BF that hopefully I'll be enough for at least one woman. As that was my goal from the beginning. Your lack of confidence and skepticism urks me because you literally don't know. Your just doubting it because you haven't had your breakthrough already. Well I've never had any woman consider me good looking enough to find attractive before in my…
/r/seduction03/07/19 01:18 PM
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I don't really rely on women to make me happy. My goal so far is mostly to meet the standards of at least one woman during my lifetime. I know none of it is a necessity but out of sheer curiosity I definitely do one day want to know what it feels like to hold hands with a woman, to kiss or go on a date one day. None of those things are necessary to living but I would like to one day experience that before I die at least. But at the same time I'm currently coming to the understanding/realization …
/r/seduction03/07/19 12:51 PM
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I absolutely LOVE you positivity! Omg...I just wanna hug you 🤗 Well thanks, its mostly just who I am and I like to see things objectively and kinda base it on facts and reality. You have the right attitude about self improvement, and I know you will be successful eventually- love, sex, dating, all the above. I'm not sure if I'll ever find any success to be quite honest. I mean aside from the fact that I'm 26, I've actually never had any woman consider me good looking enough to date or anything r…
/r/seduction03/07/19 12:44 PM
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Go to a party with some friends and meet some girls. This is how you find fuck buddies. Funny you say that cause I've recently been getting invited to a lot of parties from newly made friends to the point of them overlapping. And while they are gun for sure and yes getting to know people is always a good thing I've yet to even meet any woman who considered me good looking enough to find me attractive or anything. Never met any woman who thought I was attractive in my life before, so I wouldn't b…
/r/seduction03/07/19 12:38 PM
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I'm not sure on that one as I work out almost every day, have since I began self improvement a few years ago. And focusing on my self and turning my life around has been my purpose. It's been about 3-4 years now and even though I've accomplished a lot of my goals o learned that I'm not any more attractive to women then when I started unfortunately. I mean I'm not very good looking to begin with so I figured with the self improvement that would somewhat change? But I see now that it actually has …
/r/seduction03/07/19 12:34 PM
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I'm probably the worst mix possible. I'm half Mexican and half Italian. 26, and never had a woman consider me good looking or attractive before so of course I've never been on a date or kissed, etc. At the moment I continue my self improvement and work in myself in order to be the best version of me possible so someday I'd meet some womans standards.
/r/seduction03/07/19 12:27 PM
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That's really awesome and I like the way you laid out your information. I guess I'm still trying to find what works for me if you can even say that. I've never had any woman consider me attractive enough to go out with or do anything romantic with, etc. But I still work on myself and improve who I am so hopefully one day I'll be enough to where I can find what works.
/r/seduction03/07/19 12:22 PM
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Well I speak to women and people in general more and 3-4 days a week. So I don't really have an issue with speaking to strangers, in public. Etc. In learning how to speak with people I was able to make real circles of friends for the first time. And out of the people I've met since I started self improvement I've never met any woman who considered me attractive so I am still working on that and continuing my self improvement. While my original goal was to one day go on my first date, i ended up …
/r/seduction02/07/19 01:41 PM
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Well if it ever did happen I'm sure I would have noticed it. It's never really happened to me before. Not even subtly or anything. And yea I'm not really handsome at all or even decent looking so I'm not entirely surprised that it's never happened before.
/r/seduction02/07/19 01:07 PM
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Well I'm just being honest, I wouldn't say I have "natural game" cause I've never had any woman find me attractive before. But no I've never had a woman attracted to me before or else I would have mentioned it, or at the least I would use it as some evidence to let me know I'm at that level.
/r/seduction02/07/19 08:23 AM
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Yes I've read up n what people call naturals lately. It's a really crazy concept to me but I'm sure majority of men ate just naturals and I'm the exception considering I've never had any woman consider me attractive before. Yea I'm not a very good looking guy so I'm definitely not in that category.
/r/seduction01/07/19 08:57 AM
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I've had women say that yes.
/r/seduction30/06/19 04:14 AM
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Well judging by what I look like I'd say it's because I'm not very good looking.
/r/seduction30/06/19 04:06 AM
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Mostly because I've never been in any womans league before.
/r/seduction30/06/19 04:02 AM
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Well because I've never had any woman consider me attractive before. I'd say that's good enough info to know that I have to improve.
/r/seduction30/06/19 03:57 AM
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Well for the most part I know why I'm not in that league. And that's what I work towards.
/r/seduction30/06/19 03:53 AM
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What would you do with that information?
/r/seduction30/06/19 03:50 AM
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Well yea I know that much. Which is why I mention that I've never had any woman consider me attractive before so I've never been in anyone's league before. But I am doing what I can to improve myself and hopefully get in someone's league at some point.
/r/seduction30/06/19 03:48 AM
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I'd say low league you can still meet other low league women I'd imagine. At the league I'm at I've never had any woman consider me in their league before.
/r/seduction30/06/19 03:39 AM
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I'm not sure exactly bit I imagine it would be very low considering that I've never been in any woman's league before.
/r/seduction30/06/19 03:35 AM
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Yea, I didn't discover any of this until about 4 years ago. When I was finally stable in my own place I began looking into self improvement and found this sub when I came to my initial goal of trying to go a on a date. My first goal was to hand my first kiss or hold hands with a girl for the first time. But I changed that to getting my first date. So far I have worked on improvement and everything for about 3-4 years now and while it has turned my life around I still haven't reached that point o…
/r/seduction30/06/19 12:00 AM
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I'm glad you were able to get some good friends. Imo it's way more important of an issue to sort out first before dating. Same, I'm glad I got that taken care of. It was easier than I thought to make good friends but I've had about a full 2 years of self improvement when I started making friends so maybe i was preparing for that and not so much women lol. But hey man you can't count yourself out until you get rejected Well I've been rejected already before. Actually that was the main reason why …
/r/seduction29/06/19 11:50 PM
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Well I think I'm alone in the fact that I've never had any woman consider me attractive before lol. I'm sure all other men have had women like them before. PM me a picture of yourself (blur your eyes or whatever). I'll give you brutally honest feedback. I don't mind sharing a picture, would you still want me to send it via PM? It's totally fine if you don't.
/r/seduction29/06/19 11:09 PM
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I mean I guess you would know more than I do but I don't really see anything in my hobbies that would be considered attractive lol. You've literally listed the most attractive fucking hobbies a woman could want. You've got the fucking most important hobbies.... I do gym because I started lifting when I began self improvement. When I lived in MD I became gym buds with a local guy and he said I should try boxing. I tried it at his coach's class and his coach said I was good on me feet, etc. So he …
/r/seduction29/06/19 11:06 PM
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You're wrong. Women will never THROW THEMSELVES ON YOU. I know that much. I'm not really expecting them to lol. It's not about "BEING ATTRACTIVE ENOUGH FOR A WOMAN" FUCK THAT SHIT MINDSET. I guess I'm confused. Isn't this entire sub about attracting women? How do you even know that? Have women rejected you - and told you that? I mean, yea I've been rejected before. In fact that was the entire reason behind me starting self improvement. If you are "good looking" do you think women magically appea…
/r/seduction29/06/19 11:01 PM
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I know your self-confidence is broken. Your self-confidence is MUCH MUCH lower than it HAS to be. I don't know if I'd say my self confidence is broken. I'm just more of a realist and look the the situation objectively. Women are hearing you use this type of language too. Well I don't really talk about this to anyone but people on here. You act as if women are better then you. It's subtle, but it's obvious in the language you use. I don't believe women are better than me. I mean I'm sure there ar…
/r/seduction29/06/19 10:56 PM
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Oh ok, I guess I wouldn't be able to relate to that pain since I've never had any opportunities like that before. As I mentioned it's both a good and bad thing I guess lol. I've never been in a situation where someone considered me good looking enough to date so at the same time I've never had any regrets or missed opportunities because they've never happened.
/r/seduction29/06/19 10:36 PM
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men are a lot more OBJECTIVE when it comes to attractiveness. I'm not sure if I would say that to be honest. I mean I'm not very good looking myself and I honestly would never judge a woman just because she's not attractive looking. So I don't think men are more objective when it comes to attractiveness. Your job is to make your look ACCEPTABLE (good clothes, good body, cut your fingernails, male grooming, etc). Well I've kinda done a lot of that already for the past couple of years. Those were …
/r/seduction29/06/19 10:34 PM
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So CELEBRATE this as a win!!! It takes a lot to change your narrative and be more open to diff experiences...be proud of yourself for that. It is most definitely a win. Considering I never had any friends before in my life until this started. But the initial goal was to become good enough for a woman to consider me attractive one day.
/r/seduction29/06/19 10:28 PM
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Women have certain standards - they mostly relate to their primal instincts. Yea, that's understandable. I'm not very good looking so I've never been able to reach any woman's standards before. I figured if I improved myself and worked on myself to become better then hopefully someday I'd be enough for at least one woman's standards or their instincts. Your job is to be the best you can be... FOR YOURSELF. Well yea that's been the plan lately. I originally started improvement to become better to…
/r/seduction29/06/19 10:27 PM
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Well to be honest the most women that I've met in the past year or so have almost all been from social circle. Like friends of my friends or through getting invited to people's parties that I don't even know lol. But I go sometimes and eventually find out they heard of me through a friend. But yea, I've met more people (men and women) in the last year or two and while I've made good friends for the first time I've never had anyone consider me attractive before. Well no women consider me good loo…
/r/seduction29/06/19 09:47 PM
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I think that would only be natural no? Obviously women have their standards but my goal is to one day meet a womans standards.
/r/seduction29/06/19 08:52 PM
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Women care less about looks than men do. Wow, shocker, right? Is this true? I only ask because I'm not a very good looking guy and while I've worked on myself and done self improvement for about 3-4 years now. I've never met any woman who considered me good looking enough to ever date before, so I'm not sure if that is true considering I've never had any woman think I was good looking before. So I think it definitely something that is very important to them?
/r/seduction29/06/19 08:38 PM
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Actually yes, when I began self improvement it was mostly to make myself more attractive to women. But after reaching a lot of my goals and now it being like 3-4 years since I started I kinds ask myself why do I keep doing my daily routine? I found out that I mostly do it because it makes me feel good and I like what I look like now and what I've become. Unfortunately women don't seem to think so lol but I wonder if I should just continue improving solely for myself at this point and forget abou…
/r/seduction29/06/19 08:33 PM
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Well for some guys like myself who are not very good looking I've never been able to have any woman Benin my league before as I've never had any woman consider me attractive enough to date before.
/r/seduction29/06/19 08:30 PM
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Yea, I just wish that I had the opportunity to date. Of course I know it's not that easy and not every guy will be good looking enough to be able to date. But I work towards that and hopefully one day I will be at that level if I keep working on myself and keep focusing on improving.
/r/seduction29/06/19 08:18 PM
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Yea, I'm 27 and never had any woman consider me attractive enough to date before. I've obviously never had the opportunity to date ir do anything romantic before so I focus a lot on self improvement and being the best version of me that I can be in hopes that someday I will be enough for a woman one day.
/r/seduction29/06/19 08:17 PM
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Well technically I'm still in a similar boat lol. As I'm 27 and never had any woman consider me good looking enough to date before. About 3-4 years ago I found this sub (seduction) and decided to really study and learn it as well as practice self improvement and dedicate myself to self improvement to become the best version of me possible. While I have met almost all my self improvement goals I also realized that even after all my progress I'm still not any more attractive to women than when I s…
/r/seduction29/06/19 08:13 PM
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Yea I've read a lot lately about naturals as you say. I myself am not very good looking so I definitely can't call myself a natural lol, but the idea of it is fascinating to me. Mostly likely cause I've never had a woman attracted to me before but I do like studying the dynamic of some men being good looking enough to qualify naturally.
/r/seduction29/06/19 08:06 PM
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If you don't mind me asking what do you mean by the pain? I never had the opportunity to date or ever had a woman consider me good looking enough to date or anything so I'm not familiar with the dating process at all.
/r/seduction29/06/19 08:02 PM
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So one of the bittersweet things about my situation is that even though there has never been a woman consider me attractive before, at the same time that also means that I've never wasted an opportunity nor ever had the regret of not making a move. Even though its kinda sad in a different way I also see the silver lining of the fact that I can't regret wasting opportunities that never existed lol. Not sure what's worse, regretting not taking an opportunity or having never had any women consider …
/r/seduction29/06/19 07:57 PM
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Talking to women is not really an issue. Meeting their standards in terms of being attractive looking enough is where the issue is I think. But that's what I've been working on.
/r/seduction10/06/19 04:16 PM
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I don't know how many times I've done it exactly, but the last time I thought a woman was interested in me was a while ago, and obviously I thought wrong on that lol. Given the circumstances. Are you flirting with them and making your intentions felt? Haven't had the opportunity to experience that before so by default I'd say no. Of course I am working towards that by how I mentioned earlier. Focusing on what I have control over and improving myself to be the best version of me possible and do w…
/r/seduction10/06/19 01:40 PM
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Well rejection isn't really a big deal, at least not in my opinion. (worst case scenario it's a no anyways) Issue is that I've never had a woman consider me attractive before so I haven't been in that situation to even "risk" (what are you risking?) rejection. Talking to women or people in general isn't an issue I feel. But meeting women's standards, is what I haven't been able to do still. Even after my self improvement I'm still pretty much in the same place in terms of attractiveness apparent…
/r/seduction10/06/19 12:53 PM
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there is beginners like you who always complain about women not finding them physically attractive I do my best to improve on that. I wouldn't ever necessarily complain about it, it's up to me to improve and meet women's standards, I don't think it would be fair to point the finger on someone else or like blame women for having standards lol. It's understandable, and I work towards it. you were just too scared to walk up to the girl and tell her she’s pretty and ask her out on a date. I'm not su…
/r/seduction10/06/19 12:34 PM
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I notice how much you put yourself down based on your looks and just this perception of yourself could be why nobody considers you datable. Believe me, I'm aware. I do a lot just about everyday to work towards remedying that. I most focus on what I do have control over such as gym, diet, sports, grooming, clothes, etc. Pretty much doing what I can to improve and work on what I can do. You shouldn’t be so caught up with looks, if someone generally enjoys your personality and you know how to move …
/r/seduction10/06/19 12:30 PM
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I have worked on improving myself for about 3-4 years now. Actually one of the improvements was to be able to walk up to anyone and not just talk but be able to carry a conversation. The entire thing turned out to be easier than I originally thought, and obviously I've been able to make way more real friends now than ever before. But again none of that has any correlation to me being attractive to women. Which is where I'm stuck at. Talking to people is just something that happens daily by now, …
/r/seduction10/06/19 11:29 AM
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These are the things that makes me wish I had the money to go to college back when I was young lol. I wish I went through this and had those opportunities, seriously. Thanks for sharing either way.
/r/seduction10/06/19 09:31 AM
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I don't have any experience with women as I've never had a woman consider me attractive looking before so I guess take my genuine question with a grain of salt. What does fear have to do with seduction in any way?
/r/seduction10/06/19 09:29 AM
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If I ever did get a signal from a woman I wouldn't consider it a waste of time either to explore it. Read "Undercover Sex Signals" by Leil Lowndes, that's a pretty good resource. I've read a good portion of that book before. Only issue I had with the book (and reason I haven't finished it) is because it talks about signals that I've never received before and how to respond, etc. Obviously since I've never had any woman consider me good looking enough to be attractive before I've never had any si…
/r/seduction10/06/19 09:27 AM
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I'm in a yoga class I do everyday before my normal workout, there are women there obviously but as you mentioned I'm not really attractive enough for them so even though yoga has been great there's been no correlation to being attractive to women by having been doing the yoga for a few years now.
/r/seduction10/06/19 09:24 AM
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So this is pretty easy for me to do but if you don't mind me asking what does that have anything to do with being good looking to women? That's not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely asking askin cause I've never had any woman consider me good looking enough to date and people will say advice like this as if it has any correlation at all. Which I don't see how buy i would love to hear from someone who obviously is good enough for women to elaborate.
/r/seduction10/06/19 09:21 AM
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Nowadays 95% of young people have their photos on internet. Would it matter that I'm not a young person? From what I've read so far you seems to be a little bit autistic honestly. Don't know if I would be that, but I do have a cousin that I see and take care of once a week who is autistic so I'm not sure if that would factor at all. If you don't mind me asking what makes you say I'm autistic?
/r/seduction08/06/19 05:30 PM
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You said what you work on yourself. It means what you at least do some sport activity. Well I lift and do sanctioned boxing and boxing training. Check out "rate me" sub and if you really was rated as less than 3/10 by everyone then you could be right about "being too ugly for women". But it is like 1% of population. I don't know how I'd feel about a real picture of me being on the internet to be honest. I'm willing to but the cons far outweigh I'm 99% sure what you are just average guy I'm not r…
/r/seduction07/06/19 10:36 PM
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It's not a valid answer, because people will rightfully point out that you can't know if you will win the lottery tomorrow or in 5 years based on your luck today. Well going by data I won't be winning the lottery anytime soon, and at worst it would be really good evidence that it hasn't happened before, which is the entirely if my issues and what I work towards fixing it. much like I once did, that actively "prevents" you from picking up on simple signals. Well in my case I've never had any simp…
/r/seduction07/06/19 10:30 PM
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Idk if I'd say I'm standing still. I mean I've progress more in the last 3 years than ever in my life and achieved a lot of personal goals. Women will give you clues, hints that they want to be approached, touched or kissed if they find you attractive. Well that's kinda the issue is that I've never had any woman consider me attractive enough to date or anything so I've never had clues or hints etc. before.
/r/seduction06/06/19 12:44 PM
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Yea it's mostly women who decide whether or not someone is attractive obviously. I was going by the fact that since I've never bee considered attractive to women and you said you need to be at least a 4 then I must definitely not be up to a 4 since I've never had a womans consider me good looking enough before. If you are really ugly then it would be hard to get hot looking women. Still you could get below average women no matter how ugly you are. Well I'm not sure if I'd qualify as below averag…
/r/seduction06/06/19 11:16 AM
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Well I've never had sex before or gone on a date etc so I wouldn't be able to talk about sexuality or being frustrated or repressed or any of that stuff since I've never even had sex before. But I've never had any woman consider me attractive looking enough to date before so that topic is way out of my understanding.
/r/seduction06/06/19 10:54 AM
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Any advice for someone that has never gotten signals?
/r/seduction06/06/19 09:45 AM
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Mm... if woman dates someone it doesn't mean what she consider them good looking. This is exactly what I'm talking about here. I'm not sure if this is accurate really. I mean I've never met anyone who ever dated or married someone they were not attracted to. There is no such a thing as "good looking enough for women". I mean more like enough for women to consider attractive. I think that definitely does exist or else no woman would ever reject anyone. If you aren't sure where you are in attracti…
/r/seduction06/06/19 09:41 AM
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Well, I'm a guy who's never been consider attractive looking enough by women to date before, so I'd definitely be inclined to say a lot of these things kinda do matter considering I'm pretty much proof of that lol.
/r/seduction06/06/19 03:16 AM
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No...you cant change your face! If you have an avg face then you will be average. Yea, that's kinda what I've been having to come to terms with lately. I mean I would kill to qualify as average lol, I'm definitely not good looking enough to be average but the same message still applies. There really isn't anything to do to change your face. I've considered plastic surgery before but I'm not sure if I'd wanna go through with that.
/r/seduction06/06/19 03:13 AM
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I was discussing with a friend from reddit his comment, "Anybody can be a 6". I'm not really sure about that one. I've put a lot of effort into improving myself and doing what I can to change my life and improve how I look by focusing in what I have control over. And while I have reached a lot of personal goals, I'm still not attractive to women. I wish I was close to a 6 lol, I'm definitely that attractive enough to be in that realm but if I were a 6 I'd definitely consider that a success. Unfo…
/r/seduction06/06/19 03:11 AM
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Any advice for a guy who had done all that already but us still considered naturally ugly by women?
/r/seduction06/06/19 03:05 AM
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Well I'm not very good looking myself so you can imagine what I look like lol. Being 27 and never had a woman consider me attractive before. I'm a short, average looking (at best), unathletic Asian guy Ok, so that's definitely the big difference then lol. I'm not very average looking, I wish I qualified as average lol. Also I'm not Asian so I'm sure that plays a factor as well considering you're successful at it. I kinda got screwed over when it comes to race genes cause I'm half Mexican and hal…
/r/seduction06/06/19 02:48 AM
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That's a circular answer that answers nothing. "I can quantify that I can't win the lottery by the fact that I haven't won the lottery." Would that not be a sufficient answer? If I were trying to win the lottery for 27 years and have never been able to do it at Agatha point should I consider that I can't do it or it hasn't happened? Have you checked with every single one out of the hundreds of women you've ever seen? Or just cherry-picking from about 10 or so? No I'm definitely not cherry pickin…
/r/seduction06/06/19 02:43 AM
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I wouldn't consider myself a victim, it's not like anything happened to go wrong or anything. It's just not something I've had the opportunity to do before. Out of all the things I could feel sorry for myself about. Not being good looking is definitely not among the top 100 lol. And I still don't sweat the others. Find Julien Himself's channel Julien blanc and get to work. Get coaching from Max Berger. Oh I've seen their content before. I recognize their names. Yea, slight issue here man. I kind…
/r/seduction05/06/19 08:13 PM
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You are in scarcity. Everyone starts there. I don't think there's anyone that's been in my situation lol. I'm 27 and never had a woman consider me attractive looking enough to date or kiss, etc. All other men start dating or kissing/sex back in their prime years around 14-16. You know about people who can take you out of that hole though. Julien, Max, and others. What are you talking about exactly. Keep listening to books and videos that change that mindset. you need them if you want success in …
/r/seduction05/06/19 06:26 PM
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I wouldn't say that I'm buff exactly, and I'm not sure about taking a pic as I'm not really good looking myself. I'm not really judgmental on whether or not someone is "attractive", I mean I don't think I'm one to judge given what I look like.
/r/seduction05/06/19 06:21 PM
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I wouldn't kind doing that or going on a date someday. As I mentioned I've never been in that position before to do that is the issue.
/r/seduction05/06/19 06:20 PM
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I know women women aren't the ones that approach. I don't expect them to if that's what you're under the impression of. Your worldview is fcked up based on what you said. What makes you say my worldview is fucked? UGLY FAT GUYS STILL COULD GET GIRLS. I mean I'm definitely not one to ever call someone else ugly considering what I look like lol, but I never really consider other people to be actually ugly. I mean if a guy you're calling "ugly" was still attractive enough to have women consider him…
/r/seduction05/06/19 06:19 PM
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Haven't done tinder since I'm not very good looking, and it requires photos and whatnot. I wouldn't mind dating a woman, I'm not really one to judge considering what I look like. My goal originally was to go on my first date.
/r/seduction05/06/19 05:41 PM
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I bet the answer is zero, zero is the number of women you have approached. That's actually not true. I've met more people, and in turn women, in the past year than I ever have. Granted that's mostly because I only made friends for the first time about 2 years ago, but since then I've gotten to know their friends of friends, etc and in turn met a lot of people in the past year just by doing so. So I wouldn't say that I've met no women, as I mentioned it is more of an issue that none of the women …
/r/seduction05/06/19 05:38 PM
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27 is young as fu*k bro. I'll take your word for it. For me I consider 27 to be an adult in my opinion. You're gonna end up with lots of regret and not many relationships this way. I think the one and only good thing about never having been attractive to a woman before is that at least I'll never have any regret that I missed out on something lol. Can't miss out on opportunities that never existed. So at least I have that. As far as looks go, unless you look like the brand (Zach Efron and Brad P…
/r/seduction05/06/19 05:27 PM
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27 is young as fu*k bro. I'll take your word for it. For me I consider 27 to be an adult in my opinion. You're gonna end up with lots of regret and not many relationships this way. I think the one and only good thing about never having been attractive to a woman before is that at least I'll never have any regret that I missed out on something lol. Can't miss out on opportunities that never existed. So at least I have that. As far as looks go, unless you look like the brand (Zach Efron and Brad P…
/r/seduction05/06/19 05:26 PM
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what matters is if you get her number or not. If you get her number it can mean she finds you hot and wants to fuck you. Well yea that's part of the issue is that I've never met any woman who considered me good looking enough to find me hot or attractive before. So I've never been in that situation before is what I'm saying. You won't know because a women who thinks you are ugly but is in love with your personality will think you are the most beautifull man on the planet. lol well I'm not sure a…
/r/seduction05/06/19 05:19 PM
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I wouldn't be able to tell you an exact number, but no I've never had any woman attracted to me before let alone more than a hundred lol. That's both before and after my self improvement, nothing really changed in that department unfortunately despite my best efforts.
/r/seduction05/06/19 05:14 PM
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You would approach few hundreds of girls per year at minimum if you really haven't hold yourself back. Well I've never had any woman consider me attractive before let alone hundreds per year lol. I'm definitely not in that realm. but the point of the post what you should just do what you want without caring about reactions. Well I kinda already did that for about 27 years and while I was able to fix my life and attain personal goals. It didn't really do anything in terms of being attractive for …
/r/seduction05/06/19 05:13 PM
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You can't hit if you don't shoot. Working on your self is training to hit the target, but you still have to actually go out and shoot to even be able to hit the fucking target. If we are using this analogy then I think the best way to describe it would be that I don't have a gun to shoot with yet. Sure I'm traditional ming on hitting the target but I've never had a target and I don't have a gun so I'm doing what I can with what I have and don't have. I've never had a woman consider me attractive…
/r/seduction05/06/19 03:18 PM
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In my life? I'm not sure.
/r/seduction05/06/19 03:15 PM
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Attractive? Dude, you seen my intro video? Of course I did. And also if you're considered not attractive then I'm in way way worse of a situation than I thought lol. 27 is young af. so you got time. You sure? I don't know if I'd consider 27 young as I personally consider it to be well into adult age and not so much young. But hey is that I've never had any woman consider me good looking enough to date before or anything so I kinda got screwed on that end. But for sure if I looked like you I woul…
/r/seduction05/06/19 03:14 PM
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I quantify it mostly by the fact that it's never happened before. As in out of all of the people I've met I've never had a woman consider me attractive enough to date before. If it ever did happen like in your scenario I would definitely mention it but more importantly if it ever did happen I would know that I already reached that standard. But considering that it's never happened only thing I can do is continue to improve and continue working on reaching that goal. It's not really and assumptio…
/r/seduction05/06/19 03:07 PM
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Well my basis for the statement was that I worked a lot towards bettering my life and making myself the best version of me possible. At first I thought it would make me more attractive, especially about the losing weight and lifting. Etc but now that I've done a lot of my personal goals I can see that it hasn't had any effect on how good or bad I look to women. But in many cases, it can be just a bad day that turns into a self fulfilling prophecy. I wouldn't call it a bad day. If women not findi…
/r/seduction05/06/19 03:03 PM
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Well I've done a lot of work to make myself more attractive looking. Focusing on what I can control bit I've yet to reach that level of being good looking enough.
/r/seduction05/06/19 02:59 PM
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Well considering I'm not very good looking myself I dont believe my standards should be anything exceptional. I mean I've never had a girlfriend before or went on a date so I don't think I'd be anyone to reject somebody. If some day there ever is a woman who considers me attractive enough to date I don't think I'd be in ant position to say no based on looks.
/r/seduction05/06/19 02:57 PM
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Super awesome video. Although I can't say how odd it is to know that men can get 3 dates in a few hours and I've never been attractive looking enough to get one date in my 27 years of life lol. So while it is a bit sad to watch it's still very interesting and fascinating to watch and kinda imagine what it's like to get that date.
/r/seduction04/06/19 06:01 PM
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I don't really have any set expectations when talking to people as I never know how a conversation can go. These guys are focused on their lives, not on girls. That’s attractive. Now this one I can chime in on and, from my experience anyway, say that this isn't really true. As I focused on my self improvement and turning my life around while making friends for the first time. I focused on my life and what I could control and getting everything in my life straightened and under control and while …
/r/seduction04/06/19 05:59 PM
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it doesn't matter if "you personally believe you're worthy" if you don't feel worthy to women's standards. Well I feel I'm worthy to women's standards but obviously women don't feel the same lol. So I can believe or feel I'm worthy but I won't know until a woman actually considers me attractive enough to date for the first time. That's when I'll know I met the standard of at least one. Which would mean I could meet others. In actuality, still feeling in fear of women's standards means that you t…
/r/seduction04/06/19 05:46 PM
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Ok, I kinda got the impression of just ask for numbers regardless if the woman is attracted to you or not. That was one of my questions if I should ask even if the woman isn't attracted to me. I personally wanted to ask you since we've talked and you know my situation, if you knew anyone who would be able to help or guide me that you would know in the pua industry? Regardless of price point.
/r/seduction04/06/19 04:03 PM
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Dude... You definitely didn't grasp much of that book then no offense intended. Well the majority of it was talking to men who are attractive to women, and I'm obviously not in that demographic lol, but I read it anyways. So I wouldn't be surprised if I didn't grasp everything in that book as it wasn't really talking to guys in my situation you know? what steps have you taken to be vulnerable and open to women? Well I'm open to everybody, I don't know about vulnerable there isn't many things tha…
/r/seduction04/06/19 03:59 PM
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I know, you said just go up to people and ask for their phone numbers. Personally I don't know if that's a good idea but I'll do it anyways. I just don't know if that's the solution because that might be what works for you as a guy who is already attractive enough for women. Which is why I was trying to see if you knew anyone in the pua industry that you think would be able to help me or give any advice for my situation? After having spoken with you I feel I could use help from someone who is wi…
/r/seduction04/06/19 03:43 PM
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Yea none of them are very applicable considering the usual advice is kinda catered towards men who are attractive to women. Or it assumes you've had women attracted to you before at some point. Which is fine as that's normal but in my situation it's kinda hard to find any info or advice that would be pertinent or viable to use considering my situation of I've never had a woman consider me attractive before and currently working to meet those standards of women. Most pickup, game, and seduction g…
/r/seduction04/06/19 03:31 PM
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You can have all the looks and without confidence or comfortability in your own skin it isn't going to work. Well I'm not very good looking to begin with so it's definitely not like I'm banking on my looks in anyway. Far from it lol. What are you doing other than working out, to work on yourself? Mostly hobbies, continuing my career, making sure my life is stabilized and preparing for the future. I mean aside from grooming more, dressing better etc. Anything I have control over, I focus on impro…
/r/seduction04/06/19 03:25 PM
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Well I think starving is a bit different as it's a do or die situation. A starving person will eat anything cause they have no choice. For me there hasn't been a choice to eat or starve when it comes to women before. You need to ask yourself why haven't you been in a position where you had a chance to date someone. That would be because I've never had anyone consider me attractive enough before.
/r/seduction04/06/19 02:55 PM
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Well I'm not sure if they can as I've never had a woman consider me good looking enough to be attracted to me before.
/r/seduction04/06/19 02:40 PM
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to say you've never had a woman be attracted to you is something you can't say for certain. Well the unfortunate fact is that I can because it's never happened to me before. Trust me if it ever did I wouldn't question whether or not I was good looking enough for women's standards as if I ever did have a woman find me attractive then I would have known then that I already met the standards for at least one woman you know? I'm sure ONE girl has been into you, unknowingly to you. No actually it's n…
/r/seduction04/06/19 02:39 PM
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Pretty much I dedicated to everything I have control over. Weight, diet, lifting, grooming, career, hobbies etc. Anything I have control over I can make work.
/r/seduction04/06/19 02:31 PM
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Damn, if I was good looking enough for tinder I would totally use it to the effect that you're demonstrating here. Thanks for sharing the video either way and your content is getting better!
/r/seduction04/06/19 02:14 PM
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Would any of the advice in this video apply to someone who has never had a woman consider them attractive before? I liked the video but I'm not sure if it would be applicable to me as I've never been in a position where I ever had a chance to date someone.
/r/seduction04/06/19 02:11 PM
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I dont think that's exactly the case. I mean I was myself my whole life and never did have any woman consider me attractive looking enough to ever date or do anything etc. So I focused on improving myself and becoming a better person, and while I have completely turned my life around I still haven't reached a point where I'm attractive enough for women. I still have never had any women attracted to me even after the years of my self improvement so I don't think this quote that's going off just n…
/r/seduction04/06/19 02:08 PM
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I did read the book and it didn't really resonate with me or talk about anything that I don't already know or haven't figured out on my own. Essentially the main message I got from the book was to not be a pushover, and I mean that's something everyone learns in life. I don't have any experience with women so I thought Models would help but it ended up not really talking to me about my situation or what can be done about it. Great read, but the entire subject of the book has nothing to do with b…
/r/seduction04/06/19 10:36 AM
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I really really wish I was average looking lol. It's mostly what I look like.
/r/seduction25/05/19 10:41 PM
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so Making standards for women I have my 2 hard no that i wont do I guess my question was misunderstood, you said to look for women in standards (like 5s) but what if I'm not good looking enough for 5s or not good looking enough for women's standards? if your fit women will hit on you so go the gy Well I consider myself fit now, as I've been on my routine for about 3 years now. Still have work to do to continue reaching my goals but definitely worlds different than when i started. However even af…
/r/seduction25/05/19 08:28 PM
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I was never 300 or anything like that. But I did lose around 60lbs of fat according to my doctor, and while I initially thought it kinda help in making me look more attractive, it kind if didn't at all lol. Considering even after my improvement I've still never had any woman consider me good looking enough to date.
/r/seduction25/05/19 08:15 PM
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Actually it's never happened. I mean trust me I would've mentioned it if it ever did happen. And if our did happen at all I would've at least taken it as a sign that I'm good looking enough to meet at least one womans standards so that most mean I'm enough to date. But given that it never did happen, I'm focusing on working on myself to one day meet women's standards. To reach that level at least.
/r/seduction25/05/19 08:13 PM
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So any advice if you actually do look like a real life troll? Cause that's kinda where I am. One of those most successful guys I know is ugly/ average looking Well I don't think I'd qualify as average looking. 99% of male population can get good results on Tinder. I guarantee you. Well damn, not the first time I've been referred to as the outlying 1%. Either way, you do a good job of laying out your info that could help out other guys I'd assume.
/r/seduction25/05/19 08:10 PM
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Well to be fair if i looked like him I would have any problem either lol.
/r/seduction25/05/19 08:07 PM
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You said your not obese anymore but you have more to go so without assuming, are you still overweight? No I'm not overweight anymore. But according to my doctor my body fat is now normal, so that means I gotta really pull through if I wanna get a sub 15 or sub 10 percent body fat. Think of the features that were prominent and that stuck out to you.... A chiseled jawline, bouldering cheek bones, a slim neck.... Well it's mostly their good looks and not so much their weight or lack of body fat. Li…
/r/seduction25/05/19 12:59 PM
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Well I mean compared to me I'd consider him very good looking. Then again I'm in no position whatsoever to call anyone ugly or bad looking lol, considering what I look like. If he's not good looking then I might be worse looking than I originally thought.
/r/seduction25/05/19 12:53 PM
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I mean I've lost about 70-80lbs so far. Have more muscle & strength than I ever have before, and still have personal lifting goals that I reach every year so I do still work on that. Although I work on it more for personal reasons as I've learned that even after all that improvement it hasn't had any effect on how attractive I am considering I've still never had a woman consider me attractive. So I wouldn't say I'm making excuses as I've done a lot of work already, only issue is that it hasn't h…
/r/seduction25/05/19 12:35 PM
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Well weight or not it pretty much has had no effect on how good or bad I look unfortunately. Like I thought maybe losing 50+ lbs would help in making me look more attractive nut I guess not lol.
/r/seduction25/05/19 12:27 PM
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I'm not sure how I'd describe my body type. If it gives you any idea I'm really really short at 5'9. Since I started self improvement I lost about 70-80lbs, so thankfully I'm not obese anymore. I've been lifting and dieting for about 2 years now, don't know if that's a body type.
/r/seduction25/05/19 12:04 PM
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Definitely not sarcasm. This dude is good looking, but not 'if only I looked like you' material I mean, I'd kill to look even a fraction as good as he does. If I looked like him I'd be on tinder too. Help I'd be on every dating app if I looked like that. If he's a 6 I don't even want to imagine how far down I am to women lol.
/r/seduction25/05/19 12:01 PM
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So do something about it. There are so many things you can do to make yourself more attractive. I've done pretty much all I can do (and I still work on myself) aside from something extreme like plastic surgery, which I'm not sure if I'd want to do. Women do it every day of their lives with makeup, hair products, heels, clothes, CAMERA ANGLES etc. I do groom myself way more now than ever, and I'm not really good looking so it's not camera angles being the issue lol. It can actually be off-putting…
/r/seduction25/05/19 11:22 AM
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Would you have advice on guys like myself who do not have women on their standards? Or are not up to women's standards?
/r/seduction25/05/19 10:35 AM
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I mean, getting along with women isn't that much of an issue. Getting along with people is just a normal thing. But I've never met any woman who considered me attractive looking enough to meet their standards before.
/r/seduction25/05/19 10:32 AM
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Well I'm not sure if this would be sound advice as I kinda did this already. I began self improvement about 3-4 years ago and focused on what I can control such as diet, weight, lifting, hobbies, clothes, grooming, etc. And while I have managed to reach my personal goals (and still going) what I learned after about 4 years of doing my routine is that even after the improvements I'm still not attractive looking enough for women as nothing has changed in terms of how attractive looking I am.
/r/seduction25/05/19 10:31 AM
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Honestly I’ve seen really homely dudes with Super hot chicks. Well I'm not sure if I'd qualify as "homely" lol, as I'm kinda on the far low end when it comes to good looks so I wouldn't really relate to men who are fortunate enough to look homely. If you feel it just won’t work, Maybe lower your standards in the beauty department and seek out other good qualities for the W. I mean, I don't really care about looks as I'm not good looking myself so I'm definitely in no position to judge anyone on …
/r/seduction25/05/19 10:27 AM
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Well consider this, I've never had a woman consider me attractive before in my life so I think that gives you a good enough idea of what I look like and why it isn't smart for me to be on dating apps lol.
/r/seduction25/05/19 10:20 AM
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Oh I'm not on tinder man lol. I'm not that good looking.
/r/seduction25/05/19 09:57 AM
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Well damn, if I looked nearly as good as you do I'd try tinder too. Either way, good video, straight to the point. Thanks for sharing!
/r/seduction25/05/19 09:16 AM
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Damn, well if you're a 5 then I'm definitely a 1 or a 0 lol. I am sure a professional photo shoot and a bit of editing will do the trick for you eh idk. Professional photo or not I'm still the same looking person so it's not like it would make any difference in how I look.
/r/seduction25/05/19 09:15 AM
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Yea, that's been my issue mostly. I've never been good looking enough for women's standards. Even after my self improvement and work I did on myself to focus on what I can control to make myself look more attractive over the past 3-4 years now lol. So there's no much I can do about it now as it's not like my looks will change so it definitely is one of those scenarios where I just kinda got screwed super hard in that department. People talk about different types but it only worsens the idea beca…
/r/seduction25/05/19 09:13 AM
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Well I'm not sure because I'm 27 and never had any woman consider me attractive looking enough before.
/r/seduction25/05/19 09:10 AM
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Yea, I discovered this sub around 2-3 years ago. And while I've never been enough for a woman to date or kiss, etc. I've been able to listen and hear a lot of great experiences from guys on here who were able to reach that point. I stumbled on this place during my years of self improvement and turning my life around so it was very helpful in helping me understand what attractive guys are capable of when it comes to women, etc. While I originally came here to seek an answer, I ended up finding a …
/r/seduction25/05/19 09:09 AM
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Man, if only I looked like you lol. Then maybe I'd get that chance. Either way, I enjoyed the video, obviously doesn't apply to a guy like me but I liked how well you put all the info.
/r/seduction25/05/19 09:06 AM
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What attitude do you mean exactly? Yea, the game over thing does suck. It took me a while to come to terms with it but it was much more palatable to realize that I can still live a fun and fulfilling life even without being attractive to women. That and I saw the majority if my bucket list doesn't involve anything involving my looks. Only things are first date and first kiss. Etc. Everything else on the list is still viable.
/r/seduction17/05/19 01:15 AM
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Well you must definitely be better looking than me lol, cause I've never even been good looking enough to go a date before.
/r/seduction17/05/19 12:20 AM
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Well those men may be ugly to him but they're still good looking enough for women to consider attractive enough to date. I was more talking about men in my situation where I myself have never had any woman consider me attractive. I'd be hard pressed to call a guy who is considered attractive by women "ugly". your current state of life as, “unless a miracle happens.” Well one thing I've learned in my life is that miracles don't happen. Miracles are made. I remember people telling me that it would…
/r/seduction17/05/19 12:03 AM
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Yea, I've always searched for advice or help for men who are not attractive looking enough for women. But I've never found any so far.
/r/seduction17/05/19 12:00 AM
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I don't think that's exactly true. Well I guess mostly for me because I've never had any woman give me any IOIs before.
/r/seduction16/05/19 11:59 PM
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I'm currently in the best shape I've ever been in now but I haven't had any woman consider me attractive before.
/r/seduction16/05/19 10:43 PM
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The moment you believe you're not good-looking is the same moment the world will agree. It's mostly due to the fact that I've never been good looking enough for a woman. It's not really myself coming up with it or anything. And if you think you're not good-looking; change your looks. There are dozens of things men can do to make themselves more attractive. You just have to br willing to put in the effort. If not, then you're making a choice. Well I have worked on myself for around 3-4 years now.…
/r/seduction16/05/19 07:47 PM
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Well I wouldn't consider a man "ugly" if he's still good looking enough to still be attractive to women. I figure if a guy is good looking enough for women then I think that no longer qualifies as being ugly. At least in my opinion. The guys who would be considered ugly are the ones who aren't good looking enough for women. That's kinda where I am, where I've done a lot of self improvement and work to fix that. But even after the self improvement I'm still not at that level where I'm considered …
/r/seduction16/05/19 07:30 PM
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Any advice for a guy who's never been found attractive by a woman before?
/r/seduction16/05/19 07:19 PM
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Well there are also some men like myself who aren't good looking. So I'm not sure if you factor that into your views.
/r/seduction16/05/19 07:16 PM
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I guess the big difference would be in factoring guys like myself who are not good looking to women.
/r/seduction16/05/19 07:14 PM
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Well I'm 27 and never been good looking enough to date let alone have sex before. Sometimes game is not the issue.
/r/seduction16/05/19 07:11 PM
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Yea you're definitely right. So far I've done very well with the aspects if my life that I can control. I'm leaning on focusing on myself and continuing moving forward. Instead of being held up on things outside of my control.
/r/seduction15/05/19 11:32 PM
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Well that situation was a bit of a crapshoot. So first, and main thing, it turns out was that she was drunk lol. So, so much for that idea. And also turns out she has a boyfriend. So the entire thing was a a false alarm. I thought it was initially a signal that I probably made it enough to be considered by women, but turns out she was drunk and it didn't mean anything. Believe me, it was disappointing for me to find that out but no big deal in the end. The worst case scenario happened, and that …
/r/seduction15/05/19 04:21 PM
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You’re delusional, no one is that ugly. Well, to be fair you haven't really seen what I look like. I went my whole life without it happening so.
/r/seduction15/05/19 04:02 PM
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Several women may have found you attractive Actually no, I've never had a woman consider me attractive before. If it ever did happen I would have definitely remembered it. They don't exactly shout "HEY I FIND YOU ATTRACTIVE!!!" do they? No, I've never had that happen to me before either.
/r/seduction15/05/19 10:17 AM
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Unless you are deformed or a midget, you are "good enough" for online dating. Well I'm decidedly not very good looking so I'm not sure if it would be considered deformed to that point. I used to live with a guy who was 5'3" and had a ridiculously large nose. He put together a pretty good profile and would bang several girls a month from Tinder. Well I'm only 5'9 myself so I'm short as well. I guess unlike your friend I'm not very good looking and I've never really had a woman consider me attract…
/r/seduction15/05/19 01:21 AM
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Main reason why I never thought it would be a good idea is cause I don't think using my appearance as a way to attract women is a good idea. This is a beautiful world, and there's very few ugly things in it and none of them are people. Besides you're probably only about half as repulsive and grotesque as you think you are. Yea, I don't consider many people ugly, but in terms of attractiveness scale I'm pretty far down there.
/r/seduction14/05/19 06:45 PM
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At one point I considered therapy. I also considered talking to some of my female friends about it. I'm not sure really.
/r/seduction13/05/19 09:57 PM
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Yea, it's something I've been working on for about 3-4 years now. So I definitely have a lot of work to do as I continue. I don't personally feel I'm not worthy of a woman's attention, it's just so happened that way so far. At least in a romantic sense. It's not really that I'm ready to give up but I'm not exactly sure what else I can do other than continue to improve and move forward, hopefully someday I'll meet a woman's standards. But until then I can just focus on myself and keep going and k…
/r/seduction13/05/19 09:35 PM
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Well I am 30. And without a gf or wife. Lost my v card when I was 26. I don't see any problem with that. I don't feel tainted. I think the big difference is that you've had woman consider you attractive so at least you know you're in that realm of attractiveness where women can find you attractive enough. That's the level that I've been trying to reach. This repetition is a bad habit that leaves more damage to your self esteem and wires your brain in wrong mindset. Well it's not so much my minds…
/r/seduction13/05/19 08:14 PM
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Well I only mention my age because I'm 27 and never had any woman consider me attractive before. and think a bit too logically I mean I do think logically, as it's been the most efficient for me in turning my life around and finding my success. I personally don't see any issue in thinking logically? I recommend therapy. If you don't mind me asking, what makes you recommend therapy?
/r/seduction13/05/19 08:04 PM
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Well I'm 27 now so I'm not sure if I'll find a woman. I'll definitely be fine, but in terms of women or dating I don't think so to be quite honest. I mean I never had a woman consider me attractive enough for a date lol, let alone get a chance to ever have a girlfriend or even have my own kids. The good news is that adoption is the option and I can and would definitely treat those kids like my own.
/r/seduction13/05/19 07:55 PM
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You will never be the perfect guy you imagine... I know that, my original plan was to at least reach the level where I could be considered attractive by women. But obviously I probably have a ways to go before I'm at that level considering I've worked on myself for about 4 years and still not any more attractive then when I started. You need to meet girls because sorry but there is little chance girls will jump on you by themselves. Well I have met women, either through friends or friends introd…
/r/seduction13/05/19 06:47 PM
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If you are average I guess that would be the big disconnect really. I'm not really average, I mean I really really wish I were average looking lol. No, you don't. You have this huge bubble of insecurity flowing above your head that everyone sees called "No woman finds me attractive and I don't know why" Well sure, I may not be attractive looking enough for women but that doesn't mean that I can't still live my life outside of that realm. I've managed to fix my life in every aspect that was neces…
/r/seduction13/05/19 06:41 PM
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Now I'm a virgin too but in no way in hell am I this pessimistic. Yes, maybe it's because I'm 21 but why would I decide I'm not attractive to anyone just cause I wasn't lucky about it? I wouldn't say I'm pessimistic about it as opposed to just realistic about it. Being 27 years old and never having a woman consider me attractive I don't think it's all only luck. I know my flaws and I know what I need to change for things to work out for me but even if they don't, there's no point looking at life…
/r/seduction13/05/19 06:28 PM
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Is 27 considered young? I would consider 27 to be adult age already, at least in my opinion.
/r/seduction13/05/19 06:16 PM
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Well obviously I'm past that, and that was the time where all the guys started their dating and romantic experience. It does suck but all I can do now is move forward, and part of me understands that I can still live a full and complete life even if I am unattractive to women. Being past my prime doesn't mean that I can't still do other fulfilling things in my life that I have access to.
/r/seduction13/05/19 06:16 PM
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I agree, I've been doing and taking action for about 4 years now. Focused solely on what I have control over and improving myself in any way that I can to hopefully reach that level where I'm attractive looking enough for a woman.
/r/seduction13/05/19 06:13 PM
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If feels like you want to keep telling people who say looks does not matter Well I've heard more from here that looks do matter and I think it's only natural that they do. Not a knock on anyone, I just figure women would want to be with someone that they're attracted to no? not a a teenager anymore but not an old man yet but you manage to make 27 look so bad and sad and depressing. It's most of peoples favourite age. Well it's been my favorite age so far by a long shot. My life in every aspect h…
/r/seduction13/05/19 06:11 PM
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Read up on indicators of interest (IOI's) and prepare your face for the amount of facepalms you will inflict on yourself as you recall some situations from years ago. I've definitely read about them and know what they are now. I guess the good/bad news is that I've never received any IOIs before from a woman so obviously that's bad cause I've never had a woman interested or show interest but at the same time knowing what IOIs are I at least dont have to facepalm cause they never happened to me a…
/r/seduction13/05/19 09:40 AM
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Well I figured since I've never been attractive looking enough for any woman before when I was young I didn't think getting older would help at all. I wouldn't say I started late because I haven't started at all considering I haven't been good looking enough for a woman still even after my self improvement. So I'm not sure where to go from here other than keep improving and hope that one day I'll reach that level.
/r/seduction13/05/19 08:57 AM
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You must improve yourself for yourself and not for women. Yea, the irony is that I began to improve myself in hopes of one day meeting women's standards. But then after about 4 years of improvement I realized that I'm still not at that level to be good looking enough for women. So I decided to quit the self improvement, until I couldn't lol. I love my routine and I keep doing it now more so for me considering if I didn't become attractive enough after 4 years of improvement, in probably just not…
/r/seduction13/05/19 08:53 AM
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Wouldn't a man's prime be during his teenage years? Around 16-18? Like that's when every guy starts to date and experience all the things I missed out on.
/r/seduction13/05/19 08:41 AM
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Well I'm in the best shape mentally and physically of my life. And I'm still continuing, really reallly not see myself stopping my improvement routine anytime soon. Being 27 I do feel like I'm way way past my prime. I mean considering everyone starts dating in their teens. I'm well past that and still haven't been enough for a woman lol. You think I should ask people their impressions of me? Wouldn't that be a little weird/off putting? That and I don't think asking women if they find me attracti…
/r/seduction13/05/19 08:23 AM
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Well I'm looking for any solutions or advice that I can apply or find. I'm not sure if I'm worthy to be attracted to but I don't think I've proved to anyone that I don't want to be. I have been working on myself to improve who I am and hopefully reach that point where I can be attractive looking enough for women someday. But as I continue to improve and work on myself I know that advice from guys like yourself and on this sub who have had success with women before and gone on dates before could …
/r/seduction13/05/19 08:05 AM
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Well I mean I'm 27 so I think I'm at a point where age is definitely something that should be worrisome for sure. I would think as a man it's way worse cause I'm 27 no? What is your primary means of meeting women? How I primarily meet women? I guess the number one way would be that I'm introduced by my friends. (mostly my women friends introduce me to women, and my male friends to other males, etc) Second would be via the boxing gym I go to. They have cardio classes they offer there aside from t…
/r/seduction13/05/19 07:45 AM
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Yea, I realize it's important. That's why I focused on things I could control such as diet, lifting, grooming, clothes etc to try and compensate for what I look like and hopefully reach the standards of women someday. Started doing that about 3-4 years ago now and while it's been very successful in terms of fixing my physical and mental health and turning my life around. Its had no effect on me looking any more or less attractive than I am. The unfortunate part is that I'm now 27. So due to agin…
/r/seduction13/05/19 07:31 AM
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Yea, I've done a lot to work on myself and make myself more attractive looking by focusing on what I can change. While it did turn my whole life around it didn't seem to have any impact on my attractiveness nor did it improve it at all. So it was just a bit disappointing that even after all my changes for the better I still wasn't able to be attractive enough for women.
/r/seduction13/05/19 07:12 AM
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Men become more attractive with age. You sure about that? Because I seem to get more and more unattractive with age, and as I mentioned I wasn't very attractive even back in my prime. You should travel to latin america. There are plenty of older men with younger hotties I'm not sure if it counts as Latin America but I visit Mexico very often to see old family and friends. Honduras/Portugal for friends I still keep up with.
/r/seduction13/05/19 07:09 AM
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Well you're asking me how do I know I've never been attractive to a woman? The answer is because there had never been a woman that found me attractive before. You ask if I can read minds and the obvious answer is no. But yes I have had women tell me they were not attracted to me.
/r/seduction13/05/19 05:26 AM
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Is it? I feel like 27 is kinds uo there already. Considering everyone else starts dating, kissing, etc during their teens. And I never did get to do any of that. I'm not really trying to win them all, or have a lot of triumphs etc. I was just hoping someday I would get to go on a date. Or kiss a woman.
/r/seduction13/05/19 04:47 AM
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Well I don't think I need more proof than my own life experiences.
/r/seduction13/05/19 04:43 AM
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Well I've never had a woman consider me attractive before in my life, so that's mostly how I know. I'm not very proud of it obviously, but going 27 years without having a woman think you're attractive enough is a good confirmation I think.
/r/seduction13/05/19 04:00 AM
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Well I became aware of how women perceive me when I was about 21-22 because I've never had any woman be attracted to me before. So I decided to change my fitness, life goals and overall life around 23-24. I would totally say that I've matured but I doubt I'm more appealing due to me being older. I wasn't very good looking even back in my prime years so I'm sure I'm only worse now lol. We all start at different times and I'll wish you my luck, Issue is that I never did start lol. I'm 27 and it ne…
/r/seduction13/05/19 03:39 AM
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I don't know if this would be ideal, only reason I say that is because I've done something similar and it hasn't really changed anything. I started self improvement about 4 years ago and dedicated myself to improve what I can such as diet, lifting, hobbies, grooming etc. And while that was he best decision of my life and I'm in the best position mentally and physically. Its had no affect whatsoever on me being more attractive than when I started because I've still haven't had any woman consider …
/r/seduction13/05/19 03:33 AM
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I'm 27 and never had any woman consider me attractive before. I could definitely use your wish of luck.
/r/seduction13/05/19 03:27 AM
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Well at least you're attractive to women lol. I'm 27 and never had any woman consider me attractive before. So you being good looking enough to go on dates means you're at least enough for women.
/r/seduction13/05/19 03:27 AM
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I seriously wish I was good looking enough for online dating. Seems like a good option to have with how connected people are.
/r/seduction13/05/19 03:25 AM
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It's always a bit demoralizing when I see videos or articles about seduction and pretty much every bit of advice begins with it assuming you having a girls number or you're attractive to a woman or are attractive to women already lol. I still have some sort of hope that one day I'll be at that point, in the mean time I do save good videos like this in case I ever do get someone's phone number for the first time.
/r/seduction12/05/19 07:10 PM
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I've looked for years since I started self improvement and never did find any seduction gurus who resonated with me or had info that applied to a guy in my position.
/r/seduction12/05/19 07:05 PM
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I like hearing success stories too. Mostly cause I never had a success story myself. Here's how you'll know that you'll completed your journey... you'll be unfazed by BS that doesn't put a stain on your life like. the only things you should be fazed about is debt, health problems, loved one death, etc etc. Well I don't have any debt, my health is in the best place it's ever been. Only loved ones I have would be my closer friends I guess and they're pretty young. Keep on trying dude. My game on p…
/r/seduction09/05/19 09:08 PM
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Very very well put together. You know I'll be honest. If I ever did have a woman find me attractive I would definitely refer to this. I always wished that someone would offer this type of info or advice that was geared towards unattractive men like myself. Other than that, I think it will work for the guys women like for sure.
/r/seduction09/05/19 08:49 PM
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You can't really "make" a moment to be honest, it's something that just happens naturally. Yea that's always what I've heard. That and people have said that I'd eventually get a date or have a woman like me someday. In regards to making a moment is what I've asked about and it's usually a similar answer of it just happens naturally. Only issue is that I'm older now and that scenario never did end up happening naturally lol.
/r/seduction09/05/19 08:45 PM
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Well I've changed my life a lot in amazing ways in the past 4 years or so. And while I have made good circles of friends for the first time, I've never had a woman consider me attractive before let alone view me sexually lol. So that time for me never did happen.
/r/seduction09/05/19 08:43 PM
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Well the issue is that I've done self improvement for about 4 years now and while I've turned my life around and my mental/physical health has never been better, I still haven't reached a point where I'm good enough to attract women. The goal when I started was to go on my first date, but now that I failed on that end I'm not really sure what to do other than continue to improve. So reading helps me because I've never known what to do and I like reading from guys who have gone on dates or had gi…
/r/seduction09/05/19 08:10 PM
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I always hold eye contact. Just in general. But I've never had any woman consider me attractive so I don't think eye contact really plays a role.
/r/seduction09/05/19 08:02 PM
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Not sure on that one. I mean I'm 27 so I think I'm a good example of there isn't always someone for everyone lol. Never really had a woman consider me attractive before, if it ever did happen I would definitely mention it. Or at least know from there that I'm attractive enough for at least a woman. But it hasn't ever happened before unfortunately.
/r/seduction07/05/19 05:05 AM
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Yea, really unfortunate. Well there is a weird irony that I've never had a woman consider me attractive so I guess I'll never actually have to use it lol. So I guess there is a but of a good trade off there.
/r/seduction07/05/19 02:21 AM
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I really appreciate you sharing man, I seriously do. For a guy like this is like my experience you know? Can't say when it'll happen but if you're open to people chances are one day it'll be your time to share a story! Well, it's never happened before. And I'm kinda up there in age so I think its unfortunately but kinda safe to say it ain't really happening.
/r/seduction07/05/19 02:14 AM
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Being in the small side myself, don't think I really wanna watch the video lol.
/r/seduction07/05/19 02:09 AM
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Well man, I don't know what to tell you. I honestly love hearing stories like this and kind of experiencing it second hand or like living vicariously through it. I've never experienced kt myself so there's only so much I can imagine, but when someone puts it eloquently and matches it with a genuine experience, I can't help but really imagine it and get a decent glimpse at what it all entails. Honestly envious of you guys, but much much much respect.
/r/seduction07/05/19 02:03 AM
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Yea, I believe ya man. Lotta respect for you. Only wish I knew that experience ya know.
/r/seduction07/05/19 01:59 AM
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I know what you mean, but I've never been able to do that. Since you're not there yet, here's a pro tip from a guy who... well... has met a woman or two. Seriously, consider me envious. I respect you man. When you go for the kiss, maintain eye contact, extend one hand and gently place it on her cheek or behind her head and slowly pull her toward your lips. Well, I gotta learn how to crawl before I fantasize about running lol. Gotta meet a womans standards before I start taking tips on kissing, c…
/r/seduction07/05/19 01:59 AM
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No, but you have to meet at least one woman's standard to qualify at least. Something I've been working on for about 4+ years or so. Still on that side.
/r/seduction07/05/19 01:54 AM
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Yea, that's the harsh reality that I was reluctant to face. Looks really are like that, and there isn't much you can do about it. Coming to terms with it is what I'm still kinda wrapping my head around atm.
/r/seduction07/05/19 01:53 AM
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Now imagine how I feel when I realized everyone was out of my league.
/r/seduction07/05/19 01:51 AM
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The way you put it. I always always fantasized about it. Always been envious of how guys just say you'll know when. Must be the best feeling in the world.
/r/seduction07/05/19 01:48 AM
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Damn. I know it's dumb but I always imagined this scenario one day lol.
/r/seduction07/05/19 01:46 AM
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Oh I fully understand that women do show signals and interest in men they find attractive. I'm mostly saying I've never had a woman find me attractive. So the signals and interest thing doesn't really apply to me cause I'm not attractive to women/never had a woman attracted to me before or interested in me.
/r/seduction06/05/19 10:46 PM
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Idk about cover up but maybe cross arms. Do not remember. Never had a woman mimic my behavior or stick her chest out or anything like that.
/r/seduction06/05/19 10:34 PM
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Well I know women who are not interested in me if that's what you're looking for. But never women who were.
/r/seduction06/05/19 10:33 PM
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I'm not really nervous talking to anyone, I mean no real reason to be. But I've never had cues or signals that you're talking about, or the books talk about.
/r/seduction06/05/19 10:00 PM
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I don't avoid contact with anyone really. In terms of speaking to women in public, I guess I do for work, when I talk to my female friends when I'm out with them (although I talk to them in public and private), or when women talk to me.
/r/seduction06/05/19 09:38 PM
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Well yea, I would never lie about something so embarrassing. I'm definitely not proud about being unattractive looking to women my whole life lol. I only times I go to bars is when my friends invite me out. I don't drink but they like having me out. Never been to a club before, as I mentioned I'm not very good looking (no surprise lol) so I'm not sure I'd want to go to a club to be honest. But yea, nowhere I've been to I've never had a woman consider me attractive looking enough so there's never…
/r/seduction06/05/19 09:23 PM
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I know what you mean but I don't get any signals of the sort and it's never happened to me before. So I know what you're saying but I don't get signals or have had women attracted to me before, let alone give signals that the book is talking about. The books talks about signals women give that they're attracted to you. Well I've never had a woman ever be attracted to me and I've never seen or recieved any of the signals before. If it ever did happen I would mention otherwise.
/r/seduction06/05/19 09:14 PM
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Places I go that has men and women? I guess mostly the gym, my boxing class, although the sparring is all men the public classes have women and they're right next to us. I play a certain arcade game competitively and it's at two local barcades so men and women do congregate there if not to drink and hang out. Especially on weekends but I most go there to practice and meet up with the community. Those would be the ones I frequent most I guess, other places would be random areas with my friends.
/r/seduction06/05/19 09:02 PM
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No not really.
/r/seduction06/05/19 08:54 PM
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Well I've never had any signals before from anyone. Here's a test have you ever had a woman attracted to you but you didn't return the feelings? No actually, I've never had any woman be attracted to me or consider me attractive before.
/r/seduction06/05/19 08:47 PM
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Well I know the signals, I've read about them plenty of times but it's never happened to me before. I know what I should look for but I've never seen it in person, or specifically never towards me before in my life. I mean I do envy guys like you who get signals all the time but mostly cause I've never had a woman give me any signal before.
/r/seduction06/05/19 08:41 PM
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Well I've been lifting, cardio, diet etc for about 4 years now and neve had any woman consider me attractive before or after I started lifting. I began lifting as a part of my journey to become more valuable and hopefully attractive enough for women but after 4 years of self improvement, it seems I haven't gotten any more attractive than when I started. I mean logically i thought that if i lifted and stopped being overweight than maybe I'd be attractive enough for a woman lol, but turns out that…
/r/seduction06/05/19 08:05 PM
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Well I've been lifting, cardio, diet etc for about 4 years now and neve had any woman consider me attractive before or after I started lifting. I began lifting as a part of my journey to become more valuable and hopefully attractive enough for women but after 4 years of self improvement, it seems I haven't gotten any more attractive than when I started. I mean logically i thought that if i lifted and stopped being overweight than maybe I'd be attractive enough for a woman lol, but turns out that…
/r/seduction06/05/19 08:05 PM
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Funny you bring up this author and books cause a while ago someone suggested these to me via PM and the way they described it sounded interesting until I realized it was about signals and IOIs lol. Not that there is anything wrong with the subject but for me personally I've never had any woman give me IOIs or signals before so these types of books and advice doesn't even apply to me because of that unfortunate fact.
/r/seduction06/05/19 08:04 PM
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Well right now I have a lot of good friends that I meet up with regularly, so I'm good with that. I'm still working on myself and improving, I started at first to try and be good looking enough for women but now that it never happened I mostly just do it for myself. I think in around women, but again that has nothing to do with my issue of not being good looking enough to be considered attractive by women. The goal is, or was, to become attractive enough for at l at least one woman to go on my f…
/r/seduction01/05/19 12:40 AM
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This is why you sound delusional. You haven't experienced them, yet somehow you see them? Hey, maybe you don't see them after all? Well no I don't think I see them but I know what I should be looking for according to what people say on here. All of the indicators of interest that everyone talks about or situation that people cite I've never experienced before. So I'm not sure what to do with the majority of the information on the subject considering that I've never been in the situations that th…
/r/seduction30/04/19 06:01 PM
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Women send subtle signals. Men respond to them or do not, through choice or ignorance. It's not that I don't see them it's that I've never experienced anyone sending "subtle signals". If you don't see the signals, then you better start chatting with random women and seeing if you can change what you're doing to be the platonic guy that believes he's magically unfuckable. Well I can talk to pretty much anyone. Most friends that I've made recently have been mainly from friends of friends. Which I …
/r/seduction30/04/19 03:27 AM
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You have tried to kiss someone? How'd the rejection go? I can't say that I've ever been in that position or had the opportunity to kiss someone before. If you asked a woman, "Hey I was thinking we could be boyfriend girlfriend?" Never been in that position before either. As I haven't had any woman find me attractive enough for that to be a question before you know? You're not ugly, you're inexperienced. I only say ugly or unattractive because I've never had a woman think I was attractive before.…
/r/seduction30/04/19 12:52 AM
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Well I have been rejected before so i wouldn't say I'm afraid. And I've done a lot to help my appearance but in terms of being attractive to women, I don't really fit the bill when it comes to what women find attractive, that much is apparent from never being attractive to someone in 27 years lol.
/r/seduction29/04/19 04:42 PM
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Great post and great compilation of information. A rather very unfortunate read though lol, as I've never been good looking enough to ever be in any stage past 0 with a woman before.
/r/seduction29/04/19 07:15 AM
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Well if you're like me and not attractive looking to women I guess the great thing is that you can actually focus 100% on work and self improvement.
/r/seduction29/04/19 07:12 AM
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I took away the option for many women simply because I never believed I was attractive. Yea that's the biggest difference here. Is that you say you took the option away as opposed to me who never had the option in the first place you know? In your scenario you were already attractive to women. One day I learned what a circle was and suddenly I see those circles everywhere! So, building along this analogy. I also learned what a circle was, except even know that I know what it is, I've still never…
/r/seduction29/04/19 07:05 AM
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I don't have many pictures of me (for obvious reasons lol) and the ones I have are kinda old. I don't mind sharing a picture but as I mentioned I'm not very good looking. If you want a mental image just imagine what a guy who is 27 and never had any woman consider him attractive before looks like lol.
/r/seduction27/04/19 09:18 PM
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You keep saying no woman ever liked you, but that's statistically impossible. If you you don't mind me asking how is it statistically impossible in your opinion? I mean I'm kinda living proof that its not impossible lol. Women typically will never tell you. They hint. Hint all day long. I guess that's the thing is that I've never had any woman hint at me or leave hints, etc. I don't see hints, I see glaring beacons of advertisement that a girl wants me, because I look for them. I believe they ex…
/r/seduction27/04/19 09:14 PM
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What type of mindset would you reccomend if I've never had a woman attracted to me before? I know part of your solution is to pull a 5,6 or 7 but I'm more like a 1 or 2 myself so I don't know if that still applies? Do you know of anything else you can think of for guys who women don't like?
/r/seduction26/04/19 07:07 AM
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Great video as always man. I obviously don't relate to it it know exactly what you're referring to in a lot of these videos as I've never been flirt with me or have attracted a woman. In that sense, do you have any videos or advice for guys who are not attractive looking enough for women?
/r/seduction26/04/19 07:04 AM
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I really wish I got info like this back when I was young. Your story sounds very similar to mine except I never did reach that point where I became attractive looking enough for women. I did however begin self improvement and tried a ton if hobbies and just stuck to the ones that I enjoyed the most. The great thing is that not only did I find cool hobbies that I live but even from the ones I dropped I ended up making my first real group of friends. So while I set out everything I set out to do a…
/r/seduction26/04/19 07:01 AM
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Of course. I've been trying to make myself better and improve for about 4 years now.
/r/seduction26/04/19 06:53 AM
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Yeah? How many women's opinions have you gotten? Women have shit taste in men, dude. They like us both, I'm just aware of it, you're not. Well only women's opinion I've gotten was from platonic friends. But obviously that's platonic. lol. I like the way you put it, but just kinda imagine you saying women have shit taste in men yet there's never been a woman who thought I was attractive lol. I know you didn't mean it that way but it's very telling nonetheless. You haven't done anything with a wom…
/r/seduction26/04/19 02:05 AM
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Well I'm not really very good looking to be honest. I mean I work on what I have control over, but I'm not really a good looking guy so I've never had any woman ever consider me attractive. Like if you compare me to good looking men there isn't really anything matching.
/r/seduction26/04/19 01:44 AM
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The women who are married and have boyfriends don't have friends or sisters? They do. I've been lucky enough to meet a lot of their families considering I was invited to both their weddings as they happened. In any case you got to keep trying. You proved your social enough to meet and get along with people. You just got to Translate it to meeting and dating In terms of meeting people absolutely, now that I feel I have a way to actually make friends it's become a hobby of mine to get to know peop…
/r/seduction26/04/19 01:43 AM
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Honestly I believe you have but never saw them. If you don't mind me asking, what makes you sure in saying this? I only mention it because I'm 27 and I've never had any escalation windows or that type of opportunity that you so well described in your post. I mean trust me, I wish it happened even once, but I honestly can't say that it ever has before for me. There are all types of girls on the spectrum, and someone somewhere has found you cute but you may have been waiting for the right moment o…
/r/seduction26/04/19 01:39 AM
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I think the difference is that, as you mentioned, women find you attractive. I've never had a woman find me attractive before, and that's even after the self improvement I did for a few years that I mentioned. So I'm kind of at a point where there isn't much more that I can do other than keep working on myself in hope that maybe someday I'll be enough for at least one woman some day. But I kind a figure after 27 years I'm not sure if that'll happen and I should really bet on it lol. But I've rec…
/r/seduction26/04/19 01:29 AM
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I understand. I mean about 4 years ago I decided to kinda do just that. I've been on a diet and worked out ever since. Started with strength training, now I do a combination of that and boxing now to kind apply some of my strength with some skill in a sport. Essentially I really turned my life around when it came to health and personal life. Made it a mission to lose weight, make friends and move forward with my dream of getting a mortgage on a good home. Was able to achieve all 3 and honestly n…
/r/seduction26/04/19 01:26 AM
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Yea, it's always crazy to me to read and hear about how effortless it can be for some people. I've never had any woman consider me attractive in my whole life and I'm 27 myself lol. Worked on improving myself for the past 4 years or so in hopes to reach that level where I could be enough for at least one woman, but so far haven't reached that point yet.
/r/seduction26/04/19 01:19 AM
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Over all pretty mixed. There are honestly like I'd say 20 or so people that I really hang out with consistently (as in they invite me to their parties, out, etc much closer than the general group of people I occasionally talk to) and about half of them are women. Then again some of them are either married or have boyfriends, which I have no issue with obviously because they are actual good friends of mine that I like seeing regardless. But yes I have come across women while being or meeting frie…
/r/seduction26/04/19 01:15 AM
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Yea I guess biggest difference is that I'm not really attractive like you lol, I mentioned before that I'm not a very good looking guy so I'm sure that's a pretty big disconnect. I never met a woman who considered me attractive enough to have that opportunity that you're talking about, but I know for other guys it's kind of a natural thing and that there are women who find guys like you attractive enough for that to happen. Of which I've always been envious of by the way lol, never in a hateful …
/r/seduction26/04/19 01:11 AM
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Yea I have friends and social life now. And I'm very proud of myself for having done that as it's something I was never able to have before. The biggest difference I think is that having those friends and being social with them/having a good time with them is not tied to being good looking like it is with being attractive to women. So while I have been able to make consistent friends, and meet more friend through them, I never did manage to be able to reach any woman's standards during that time…
/r/seduction26/04/19 01:07 AM
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That sounds super cool. I've been able to meet a lot of great people when I started random hobbies to see which ones I'd like to stick to. I always imagined that one day I'd meet a woman who I was good enough for and this exact thing happening. I thought I would've happened when I made all the friends that I have in the past 3 years or so but never did meet any woman who I was good enough for. But on the plus side I have made friends for the first time in my life lol. So all in all not a total l…
/r/seduction26/04/19 12:50 AM
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I've never had the opportunity to ever do anything with a woman but I seriously love hearing success stories from guys who have been able to reach that point so I do look forward to hearing something cool or memorable. Do you have anything to share OP since you started the thread?
/r/seduction26/04/19 12:47 AM
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I've had a lot of people on here tell me to get online dating profiles etc. and I've never thought that it was a good idea considering I'm a very below average looking guy so I didn't think that using my appearance to try and get women was a smart idea. Unfortunately as I mentioned I'm not very good looking so I'm kinda screwed for online dating and real life as well lol.
/r/seduction26/04/19 12:45 AM
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I guess this is the point that I've never been able to reach. As you mention that women leave hints, but I've never had a woman give me a hint before so a lot of the advice and general understanding of info on the sub really never applies to me because I've never had a woman attracted to me before, let alone ever had one give me any hint or sign otherwise lol.
/r/seduction26/04/19 12:39 AM
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Well I like myself, but I've never met any woman who ever liked me. At least not in a romantic sense of course, I have plenty of friends who like my company but again all in a platonic way, which is great cause I used to never have friends until now lol.
/r/seduction26/04/19 12:37 AM
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You know, I started coming to this sub about 4 years ago when I decided I'd try self improvement with my goal to be to try and go on my first date. But since then I've turned my life around and improvement literally every aspect except for the most important one for seduction which is looking more attractive to women. So even though my life has never been better physically and mentally, I'm fully aware that I failed in the original goal of become good enough for women. However I now mostly read …
/r/seduction26/04/19 12:35 AM
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Great post and even better read! Do you think any of this would be applicable to a guy like me who's never had any escalation window opportunities before?
/r/seduction26/04/19 12:20 AM
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Any advice for a guy who doesn't have any girls in his league? Or isn't in the league for women?
/r/seduction25/04/19 10:18 PM
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But you need to try a lot harder in other areas of life, actually your hardest Without going into a long drab, my goals during my self improvement that I was able to achieve in the last 4 years. I lost 120lbs, squatted 200, gotten groups of friends for the first time, bought a house, began renting out my old condo, have been able to travel to every continent (except Antarctica lol), A lot of what you say about conversation I kind of already have down as it's kinda part of my job to be able to sp…
/r/seduction25/04/19 10:17 PM
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The fact that you out loud refer to yourself as a 1 or 2 speaks volumes about your mental attitude and self confidence. Well in terms of the attractiveness scale I'm around a 1 or 2 if were talking about that scale. I have done a lot to improve myself and focus on what I can control but there isn't really much I can do in regards to my genes and what I look like facially, so my placement on the scale isn't like something I'm making up. I don’t feel sad or like I’m missing out because they didn’t…
/r/seduction24/04/19 08:15 PM
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Personally I'm enough for myself. Much more than enough actually lol.
/r/seduction24/04/19 06:12 PM
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If were going by attractiveness. I'm probably around a 1 or 2 out of 10 in looks.
/r/seduction24/04/19 06:01 PM
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Sending.
/r/seduction24/04/19 04:57 PM
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I don't mind PMing a pic as long as you're ok with it. I mean, if you want an idea, I got the worst Gene's possible by being half Mexican and half Italian lol. So if that wasn't enough imagine a guy who is 27 and never had any woman consider him attractive before. That kinda gives you what you should imagine I look like. My fat friend was like Jabba the Hut fat and disgusting and he still did it. Like you'd have to be disfigured to beat him. I mean maybe you are in that low of a range, but I dou…
/r/seduction24/04/19 04:26 PM
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And then there's tons of other looks you can go for. Try to find what you like and own it. Unfortunately as I mentioned I'm not very good looking so my look isn't really something that women find attractive. But if you're dressing better you should generally get more/easier female attention. I lost so much weight since starting self improvement about 4 years ago I've since had to change my wardrobe twice lol. The good thing I was able to get better and more fitting clothing each time, so now I m…
/r/seduction24/04/19 03:54 PM
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Some of us aren't really good looking lol. But hopefully, self improvement will help in that department at some point. I've been doing it for a whole now, but still not really at that level.
/r/seduction24/04/19 12:29 PM
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If I was average I'd definitely be giving it a shot. Being below average myself I've made it a goal to improve myself and get to a point where I can meet women's standards. Going on 4 years now for self improvement. Lots of success in pretty much every facet of life except for being attractive lol. Still very much below average and still haven't had a woman consider me attractive. I'm sure for average guys there is definitely a chance though.
/r/seduction24/04/19 12:25 PM
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Well I've spent about 4 or so years bettering my life and my health, etc and in terms of looks I'm still about a 1 or 2. I know you have to be at least 7 or so for game but I'm still working on myself and studying what I can. So while I have done a lot to improve myself I'm still not at a point where I qualify to be doing what you guys do you know? As I've yet to have a woman consider me attractive yet.
/r/seduction24/04/19 12:23 PM
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I don't have any tattoos and my beard isn't anything crazy, plus I can't grow a big beard cause of my job. And due to my job I also sometimes have to wear suits so all in all I'm not sure if I fit those categories that you mentioned. In the past 4 years or so I've focused on self improvement in terms of my life, health, shape etc and clothes but I'm still as unattractive as I was when I started. At least when it comes to women anyway. I've only gotten compliments from men. And some platonic frie…
/r/seduction24/04/19 12:22 PM
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Well I've spent about 4 or so years bettering my life and my health, etc and in terms of looks I'm still about a 1 or 2. I know you have to be at least 7 or so for game but I'm still working on myself and studying what I can.
/r/seduction24/04/19 12:19 PM
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I totally agree. To be honest I've kinda already done all this and killed a lot of bad voices and anxiety I used to have about life in general. While my life is the best it's ever been, I've still yet to be attractive enough for a woman even after improvement. So I do believe in your advice, but for my case, it hasn't hasn't correlated to women in any way.
/r/seduction24/04/19 12:15 PM
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My goal was to try and go on my first date by improving myself and turning my life around. That was like 4 years ago. And while I did turn my life around and doing better now than ever. Unfortunately it didn't make me any more or less attractive than when I started. So I gave it an honest try for 4 years to see if I could be enough for a woman, but even with all my improvement I still haven't met anyones standards.
/r/seduction24/04/19 12:08 PM
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Well at this point there really isn't much I can do to be honest.
/r/seduction23/04/19 09:45 PM
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Wow, well definitely congrats man. I mean I myself am definitely unattractive. I'm not in that realm where I should be putting up any kind of pictures of me online let alone IG let alone in trying to attract someone.
/r/seduction23/04/19 09:45 PM
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Gonna do about what?
/r/seduction23/04/19 06:00 PM
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Of course, been at the gym since I began the self improvement. Which was 4 years ago as well. Started with strength training and slowly transitioned to learning boxing. Now I box more than I lift but still going at it for sure. But yea I know looks are important. But I Linda got the worst of the worst end of the deal lol.
/r/seduction23/04/19 05:59 PM
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I mean, considering I'm 27 now I don't think I'll be getting to have sex now if it's never happened before already. Whether it's now or in the future I wouldn't be against the idea of paying for at least my first date or my first kiss. Maybe paying for sex would be too much but I wouldn't be against paying for my first kiss or first date at least. Go out, learn how to talk to women, follow some PUA. Will be tough but a lifelong addition to skills and huge confidence booster. Whatsay? Well I have…
/r/seduction23/04/19 01:12 PM
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Wow, this post is essentially my story except I never did reach that point where I was attractive looking enough for women. So essentially I went the same path as you and enjoyed the same fruits of self improv except the one thing I actually had my goals set on which was to be attractive enough for a woman to at least go on my first date for lol. But thank you very much for sharing, least that can happen is I can still live vicariously through guys like you who did pass that test.
/r/seduction23/04/19 10:13 AM
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I'm 27 myself and I kinda missed out on the whole dating, sex and women thing as I've never had the opportunity to do anything with a woman before. I've danced with the idea of paying for sex but then thought about maybe paying an escort just for a date, hand holding and maybe my first kiss? Not sure but it's been on my mind for a while since I'm not sure what else to do.
/r/seduction23/04/19 10:10 AM
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Do you think its valid to pay for sex if you can't or have not been able to experience it otherwise? Been thinking about this for a while.
/r/seduction23/04/19 10:08 AM
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But she had boyfriend? I highly doubt she'd be flirting with someone if she already has a boyfriend. I'm not sure if there's anyway to know cause considering she had no intentions there's no way for me to ever know if she was being nice or flirting, etc. You've also written other examples on here too, but this one stands out in my memory as I totally thought you were going to get laid! Well that's really the only instance that I've ever had in my life where I thought someone was interested but t…
/r/seduction23/04/19 10:04 AM
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I'm not sure about that. I've made a good number of female friends that I'm super glad to know and have had great experiences with since knowing them, but its had zero correlation to seduction or being attractive to women in any way. I've have been able to meet new friends through friends obviously, but none that ever found me attractive in that way.
/r/seduction23/04/19 09:58 AM
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Super jealous of your success man. I kinda bombed since I'm 27 now and never had the opportunity to ever do anything with a woman. But hearing success stories like your of guys who got to experience it in their 20s and had success etc. does make me feel good at least lol.
/r/seduction23/04/19 09:56 AM
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I'm not sure if this is the best way to go for becoming attractive. At least not for me anyway. I focused on turning my life around to great success in pretty much every area I targeted for about 4 years now. But the unfortunate truth is I realized none of it had any correlation to being any more or less attractive to women.
/r/seduction23/04/19 09:55 AM
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I'm not sure about that. I've made a good number of female friends that I'm super glad to know and have had great experiences with since knowing them, but its had zero correlation to seduction or being attractive to women in any way.
/r/seduction23/04/19 09:53 AM
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I'm not sure about that. I've made a good number of female friends that I'm super glad to know and have had great experiences with since knowing them, but its had zero correlation to seduction or being attractive to women in any way.
/r/seduction23/04/19 09:53 AM
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I've definitely been the best version of me ever and only improving. But to your next step, I've never had signals or anything regarding anyone ever finding me attractive before so I've never had that opportunity. So I guess the disconnect lies in there. I still wonder what al else is needed to finally be at a level where at least someone would consider me attractive.
/r/seduction23/04/19 09:51 AM
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First of all congrats on your success! Second, I too have saved a lot of articles, phrase, read & own some books and saved videos on the subject of seduction. Mostly because I don't know how to do it and I've never been able to do it. So while a guy like yourself is able to do it naturally without using any of these techniques or information there are also people like me who are not attractive looking to women and have not had the opportunity to do what you've done. While I am envious of your su…
/r/seduction23/04/19 09:47 AM
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Yea for guys who are good looking enough to get women I don't see why social media, especially IG in this case wouldn't be at least considered as another field to explore. Of course its redundant for me to say that as I'm not an attractive guy lol, so I dont qualify to vouch. but in theory I think you are correct in your point.
/r/seduction23/04/19 09:39 AM
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Yea I was unsure if it was a good sign or not and then I learned that she had a boyfriend so it turns out she was never attracted to me in the first place lol. Was a bummer because I wasn't sure if maybe that was my chance but seeing as she had a bf I completely misread the situation. She never was flirting with me, etc cause she's already with someone.
/r/seduction23/04/19 09:26 AM
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Well being 26 and never having one women consider you attractive at all kinda makes you wonder that you might just not be attractive lol. I would totally be down to run or practice game but I've never had that opportunity to do so before.
/r/seduction19/04/19 09:29 AM
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I mean I've had guys tell me I look good, etc but I've never had a woman feel the same way. Your problem is not your looks, it's that you can't believe women are interested in you and you don't know how to recognise the signs or know what to do about them. Well I've never had a woman consider me attractive before but I am still working on my attractiveness and doing my best. Never had like 'signs' from women like you guys get.
/r/seduction19/04/19 09:27 AM
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I think I've done a real good job in terms of building a better life for myself. I mean I managed to turn it around in about 4 years total and have been able to achieve a lot of life goals. I definitely would not call myself miserable. I've been there, I'm not miserable now nor have I been in a very long time.
/r/seduction15/04/19 07:16 PM
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What makes you say that if you don't mind me asking?
/r/seduction15/04/19 04:17 PM
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I've done a good majority of it but I am about 1 or a 2 out of 10 in relation to attractiveness scale.
/r/seduction15/04/19 03:17 PM
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Well the part about me not having been good enough so far is true considering I've never been able to go on a date or anything in my life before. it's just a process of understanding what makes a person valuable to women and improving yourself. Yea I've worked a lot of losing weight and making myself more attractive in general to hopefully reach that level where I'm enough for women. pick a book like Models or something, and apply it. Stop being so negative. I've read a good number of books on t…
/r/seduction15/04/19 05:40 AM
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Yea, I'm 26 now so if I'm not good enough now I'm not sure if I ever will be tbh lol.
/r/seduction14/04/19 08:49 PM
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I've kinda done all of this. Specifically over the span of about 3 years now. While my quality of life and overall health has improved. I'm still about a 1-2 out ten in looks lol. So it hasn't really correlated in anyway to being attractive or women's etc. I still continue all my routines because I'm still improving and frankly, I just enjoy doing all those things now as I feel so bad when I skip something like a work out. But yeah, I originally did all that to try and maybe make myself good eno…
/r/seduction14/04/19 08:40 PM
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Someone asked for a pic of me and they said looked fine. Then i see you post this and i look at that sub that's supposed to be incel's and they all looks considerable more attractive to me lol. Not sure what to believe now, sucks when the incel picture sub is full of guys hotter than you.
/r/seduction14/04/19 08:33 PM
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She needs to think you are kinda good looking. It's as simple as that. Yea I guess you do have to at least meet a woman's standard which is my primary issue as I've never been good looking enough for it to be honest. But yeah, looks are super super important. Don't let any pua nerd tell you that girls don't care about looks etc lol. Yea I've definitely noticed that. Where people on here say looks don't matter yet it's kinda the the most important part lol. As I mentioned I'm not very good lookin…
/r/seduction08/04/19 03:36 AM
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Maybe, but some of us don't really have those opportunities you know?
/r/seduction08/04/19 03:25 AM
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I don't really feel sorry for myself. I've done quite well considering where I come from. I have been working on myself diligently for the past 3 years or so. I'm not really fat anymore, still have around 18-19lbs to go before I hit my real target weight. I don't really do push ups a day but I do continue to lift and box 3-4 times a week as my activity. It is easy to be more than a 1 or a 2. Well I'm sure it's easy for other men for sure, unfortunately I'm not very good looking so I do rank arou…
/r/seduction31/03/19 11:50 AM
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You'd be surprised at how many girls actually would want to date you, Well considering there's never been a woman who has wanted to date me I'm not sure if I'd be surprised exactly lol. I sure was, and Im about a 6 MAYBE 7 in the looks departme Well damn, that explains a lot lol. I'm definitely not that good looking to be at your level. I'm probably more close to like a 1 or 2.
/r/seduction31/03/19 10:23 AM
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Yea I'm not on any dating sites. Mostly cause of how I look, but I see what you're saying if I was on any of those sites. If I ever go on a date in my life I definitely have a lot of questions I'd want to ask you!
/r/seduction31/03/19 10:21 AM
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Yea I envy the guys who have options, I would assume it's different when you are attractive to women. I wouldn't be able to add much to your comment as I've never had a girlfriend before so obviously never had an ex girlfriend either but I've also never had options like you mentioned.
/r/seduction29/03/19 05:05 AM
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I don't know if I would say that to be honest. I grew up in a very bad family and to say that I was bullied would be putting it very lightly lol. I think I'd say I was "bullied" enough. I mean enough to the point where I decided to run away, and it's been me taking care of myself the entire time since. But obviously for me none of that correlates to women as I've never even been able to get a date or kiss any woman before or do anything romantic for that matter. I'm still working on being reachi…
/r/seduction29/03/19 05:03 AM
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I love your advice posts and just thought processes in general, definitely interesting to say the least. I'm not your target audience so I definitely can't apply your sound advice but I'm in no position to deny that your methods are obviously proven.
/r/seduction29/03/19 04:59 AM
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Congrats man, I'm still working on trying to get my first date. Has not worked out very well obviously but success stories like yours make me happy to hear and I can kinda live vicariously through guys like yourself who ate successful with women.
/r/seduction29/03/19 04:57 AM
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The situation was a clear invitation for you to escalate, and she was showing massive signs that she's into you. That's what I thought after people said so in the original reddit post but now that I know she had a boyfriend the whole time. She is attracted to you, having a boyfriend doesn't automatically switch off all other attraction. We don't know what would have been possible with her without escalation. Again I'm not sure if she'd be considered attracted to me cause she's currently in a rel…
/r/seduction19/03/19 01:26 AM
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Well I've since spoken with her now know that she has a boyfriend. Which is fine because they are both really cool and they seem to really like hanging out with me so I'm not gonna complain about making even more friends. The other silver lining is that I apparently read the situation perfectly. The night she met me she was not drunk but a bit buzzed as I presumed so based on her behavior. That and she was obviously never attracted to me or 'into men's because she already had a boyfriend.
/r/seduction18/03/19 11:20 PM
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A girl puts her arm around your neck and says you smell good, lets you hug her back, then does it again before leaving for the night and you still don't know what to do? Jesus christ dude lol. Well I don't really have any experience with women so I wasn't exactly sure what to do or what it all meant. What you should take from it is that this is close to the most obvious a girl will ever be in showing you she's interested in you, and it's rare that it will ever be this obvious. Would that be an e…
/r/seduction27/02/19 04:56 PM
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I wouldn't day every man does. I'm 26 and never had the opportunity to date or had a woman consider me attractive before.
/r/seduction25/02/19 06:49 AM
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Well if you exhibit the kind of confidence and actions I'm describing, your attractiveness will go up. Being attractive is about nice clothes, a nice haircut and ATTITUDE. Most of it is how you act and handle yourself. It's not your face, even though that is what most guys attribute their problems to. I've improved myself a lot and done a lot of improvements to make myself look more attractive but I don't know if I've done enough to compensate for my looks. I do love your advice and while it's s…
/r/seduction24/02/19 02:10 AM
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Any advice for a person who doesn't know how to dance? I general I don't know if I'd be able to apply this given that I've never had a woman consider me attractive before so I've never been in a situation to use these methods you lay out so well.
/r/seduction23/02/19 10:25 AM
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My situation would be I guess that I'm 26 and neve had any woman consider me attractive before. So I've never really had the opportunity to date or have a girlfriend etc. I'm not really that good looking so I tried to improve and make myself look more attractive.
/r/seduction23/02/19 02:51 AM
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I'm really glad you've been enjoying the content and it sounds like you've made some amazing personal transformations over recent years. Congratulations on that! Thanks. Yea, I made it a goal to improve myself and reach that level where I can be attractive to a woman. Obviously I've failed that goal but I have been able to turn my life around so that's a plus that came out of it. There's nothing wrong with a hand shake. It's still a touch after all. Transitioning to hugging as a greeting is just…
/r/seduction22/02/19 11:26 PM
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You can make the commitment to yourself to BECOME A NEW MAN. To let the past go and focus only on improving yourself at every moment. This is what I've done. About 3-4 years ago I decided to change myself in order to improve who I was and reach a new level where I could be attractive neough for women. Turned pretty much my whole life around and definitely never been in better health or in a better position in my life and while I did achieve a lot of goals and have improved my daily life by a sig…
/r/seduction22/02/19 06:04 PM
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I definitely don't think there is any simply trick at all. I was merely asking the poster if they had any advice for a guy like myself who has never had any signs from a woman before.
/r/seduction22/02/19 02:01 PM
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Definitely, I do enjoy your videos. Although I am definitely not your target demographic lol. I appreciate the offer but I'm 27 and never had that opportunity to ever go on a date or kiss or any of that stuff other guys are able to do.
/r/seduction21/02/19 06:37 AM
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Seen your videos a lot lately. Live your content. I've personally never had a girl look at me before so I'm definitely not your demographic lol, but I live your videos nonetheless.
/r/seduction21/02/19 06:26 AM
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Hey man glad to see you running with more content. I always live reading your write ups here as they're always super in depth and well laid out. Didn't know you have a YouTube, definitely just subscribed. Again loved reading this and will check out the video, as always I've never been in this situation ever before but I always love hearing about it or success stories as I've never been able to do it or anything. I know it's not applicable to me or my situation but I really do love seeing your su…
/r/seduction21/02/19 06:20 AM
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Yea I know. It was tough but I did come to terms with it. It was was tough because it was something i always wanted to do you know. And I do find it fascinating to hear guys like you talk about how you all became bored of it because it was so natural to everyone else. But it took me a while that there are more things in life than women and dating and sex, etc. And that I can still go down my road and live a good full life even if I did miss out on women and dating that it wasn't the end of the w…
/r/seduction18/02/19 09:24 AM
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I'm not sure what you mean by let go of my past. I mean I put a lot of stuff behind me. As in I don't really let certain things hinder me anymore from being happy. I just mentioned that being sad about not being attractive was one of them that I did let go.
/r/seduction18/02/19 09:19 AM
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I mean more as in how you mentioned it "guys who can get laid easily". I don't think amnesia would change that really, you mentioned being a part of other men who are able to date or get laid and I'm not one of those guys is all.
/r/seduction18/02/19 09:15 AM
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Well no I don't think I'm like you guys in that sense. If I was one of you I definitely would not be in this situation. What I did let go was the sad thoughts that I used to carry about not being one of you guys. If I could go back in time into my prime and do what you all did, sure but as you said let go of the past. Look ahead.
/r/seduction18/02/19 09:07 AM
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I'd think I've let go of it. Like for sure I used to feel pretty down about the whole women and dating thing and it hit me hard when I wasn't in my prime anymore but even though it took me a while I did come to terms with it and I have let it go.
/r/seduction18/02/19 08:57 AM
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Yea, it took me a hell of a long time to let go of the past and stop thinking about it. It really was a rough time because it was all stuff I wanted to do. Buy I realize that being an adult is different and being past my prime doesn't mean that I can't still live my life and that women and dating and sex is only one aspect of life and there are many other things that I could still qualify for. I kinda learned to focus on what I can control and what I am capable of instead of what I don't have an…
/r/seduction18/02/19 08:48 AM
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No I definitely do not believe my life ends here. In fact my life had never been better. But in was talking more in terms of like dating or having a girlfriend. Or in this case having sex or doing what all you guys did back in your primes.
/r/seduction18/02/19 08:41 AM
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I'm sure no guy finds it boring, but it's just interesting to hear and know about men who have so many women that it bores them. It is really cool and I do enjoy hearing said stories and kind of putting myself in their shoes for a bit and understanding it all where I can. I don't think I'd find it particularly boring but again it's hard for me to judge since I never got to do it like everyone else. I've talked a bunch with you man. You just need to get your head straight. If you don't think you …
/r/seduction18/02/19 08:36 AM
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Yea as a guy who never had the opportunity to date or have a girlfriend let alone have sex and kiss etc. It's hard to really understand where you are coming from but then again you and I are complete opposites in the sense that you were able to attract women and I wasn't. I wish I was able to live that and maybe experience what you're talking about.
/r/seduction18/02/19 08:31 AM
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Yea I realized this as well when I went through a phase where I felt r ally down about myself because I never got the opportunity to date or have a girlfriend when I was young. I was never very good looking and never had those chances to do what others guys were able to and I always felt bad. But I eventually realized that there us much more to life as you say than women. That I could actually live a good & fulfilling life even if I'm not attractive to women or any of that. Sure it's a part of l…
/r/seduction18/02/19 08:29 AM
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I guess I would naturally be the exact opposite of you lol. I never had the opportunity to date or have a woman consider me good looking enough to date or have sex with etc. But I also realize that even though I'm not on that level in terms of looks I could still do other things with my life it that I could contribute to society just like you say.
/r/seduction18/02/19 08:26 AM
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Yea, for a guy like me who never had the opportunity to date or had a woman attracted to him I always wished that I was at that level where I could have had those options and maybe had a girlfriend or had sex when I was young. I personally don't think I'd find it boring.
/r/seduction18/02/19 08:23 AM
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I'm not sure if that would be the case for a guy like me who has never had any woman be attracted to him before. Then again I've never had the opportunity for casual sex or hookups buy I don't think I'd find it boring.
/r/seduction18/02/19 08:22 AM
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Well they talk about things like playing with hair, or you touching you among other things. Someone told me to look for "the look" but I don't know what he means by that.
/r/seduction09/02/19 01:53 AM
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Yea, I've never had any woman attracted to me or interested. Not in a romantic way anyways. I guess the indicators I'm talking about are the ones people talk about on here. Where women supposedly show signs that they're interested in you.
/r/seduction09/02/19 12:55 AM
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Yea that's kinda my issue right now is that I've never had any potential mates before in my life. Never had a woman consider me attractive enough for that honestly. I know people here talk about abundance because it allows them to choose from women who are interested, but I'm not sure how or even if that applies to a person like me who has never had any woman interested in him let alone more than one.
/r/seduction08/02/19 04:00 AM
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Yea I knew I had to change and improve myself and become s better person. I'm still working hard towards it and hope that someday I'll meet some womans standard and "make it" as you say.
/r/seduction08/02/19 03:56 AM
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Well mostly like people say here there will be some indicators of interest. And so far I've never had any indicator of interest before. I know women will ask each other questions about their appearance, and yes sometimes they will ask me if something looks right or whatever but I've never seen a guy do it before. I'd be just too weirded out to ask them to do that. That and as you mentioned it would be vulnerable of me as well.
/r/seduction08/02/19 03:54 AM
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Well I'm basing it off of the fact that I've never had any woman consider me attractive before. If you have female friends, definitely ask them what they think of your looks (genetics), your look (presentation) and your personality. I have a good number of female friends, but I don't think I would wan to ask them such a weird question. Considering I know them well and they're really cool to me & vice versa
/r/seduction08/02/19 12:27 AM
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Think about it this way, do you remember the girl that liked u no matter what? Yes, for sure. If you mean liked me as a person then yes definitely, but if you’re talking about like me as in attracted to me then no I’ve never had a woman like me in that way before. The girl u could fuck easily, kiss? Everyone had one in their lifes be it 10/10 or 2/10 ugly one. I’ve never had any woman consider me attractive enough to date or kiss, etc. So I’ve never had one of those women in my life before. Once…
/r/seduction07/02/19 06:22 PM
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Well there have been men who have told me I look decent but I've never met a woman who thought the same, and that's obviously been my goal. How can you expect a women to want to be around you when you so obviously don't even like yourself? I personally like myself. Engage with those things, start enjoying yourself and appreciating yourself. Once you start making yourself happy you'll be able to make others happy... which is the goal of a relationship. I have done these things already for the mos…
/r/seduction07/02/19 06:22 PM
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I definitely do want help, and consider any help that I can. I'm on this sub to try and learn to see how I can make myself look more attractive or good looking to women to try and compensate for my looks. I've been working on myself for about 2-3 years now and doing my best to improve myself to hopefully be enough to go on a date someday or at least meet women's standards.
/r/seduction07/02/19 02:12 PM
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For the most part I have been doing that for the past 2-3 years or so. I do agree it works wonders in the fact that its changed my life and I feel better than ever. But I also found out that it hasn't had any effect on how attractive looking I am to women unfortunately.
/r/seduction07/02/19 02:09 PM
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I guess I've just never received any signals from a woman before so I'm not familiar with any of it. Yea, I've been working myself s lot and focusing on self improvement to try and be more attractive looking to women. Mostly focusing on what I am in control over such as my weight, lifting and grooming, style, etc. My initial goal was to try and compensate for what I look like and hopefully be able to meet a womans standard and go on a date for the first time. As I've never had any woman consider…
/r/seduction07/02/19 02:06 PM
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I guess my issue is that I've never had any chances or gotten any chances before. I've never met a woman who was attracted to me before or considered me attractive looking enough to date. After all, 51% of the human population is female. I do know that. But if I'm not attractive looking enough for women then I need to change and improve myself to meet their standards so hopefully one day at least one woman out that 51% would consider me attractive at least you know? I also understand body langua…
/r/seduction07/02/19 05:35 AM
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Then if you think the compliments from men are just hollow or polite, why not "ask women" then? I don't think they're hollow, I just think that obviously when a man says another man looks good or something here saying it in a friendly way and nothing more. So while I have gotten compliments from men, it's just a compliment is all. I haven't asked women or men for compliments because I've never really asked anyone to compliment me nor have I ever asked anyone in person if they think I'm attractiv…
/r/seduction07/02/19 05:28 AM
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Well I've had some guys say that I look ok, but I've never had any woman feel the same. Which is the entire goal no? I mean I'd I had a woman say that I looked decent or at least good enough to date then not only would that be a first in my life but I'd also know that I meet at least one womans standards. And that way I'd at least know I did improve and that I am in the right direction. Yea I've gotten compliments from men and I definitely do appreciate them but obviously my issue is that I'm tr…
/r/seduction07/02/19 04:48 AM
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I won't lie and say that looks don't matter, but I do think they can be compensated for with fashion, physique and grooming as you say. I've been trying my best to lose weight, lift and groom myself and dress better and on all that I've never been in a better place in my life when it comes to all of that. Been working on it for about 2-3 years now in Hope's of one day meeting a womans standards and hopefully being enough to go on a date someday. But as I mentioned its still a work in progress as…
/r/seduction07/02/19 04:43 AM
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My first piece of advice is are you sure no woman has considered you attractive? Yes unfortunately. I've never had any woman consider me attractive before. And obviously I've never been on a date or had the opportunity to do anything romantic because I've never me any woman who thought I was attractive or good looking enough to date etc. Let me tell you the girl I thought in a million years wouldn’t want me and I crushed on for years. Turns out she had a major crush on me. Yea, I've never had an…
/r/seduction07/02/19 04:35 AM
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Well I don't have an issue meeting people, that was an issue before but I've fixed that since. That's definitely not my issue now. Develop social skills, find friends and sporting communities, go out and approach strangers, start having fun, taking risks and living in the moment. I'm sure I have good social skills, I mean part of job is about it. I used to not have any, but I talked to more people and gotten a good circle of friends going now that I've never had before, and I actually consider t…
/r/seduction07/02/19 04:05 AM
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I've heard people talk about abundance but I don't think I've heard similar or comparable advice for a person like me who has never had even one woman consider me attractive before in my life. What would be the equivalent?
/r/seduction07/02/19 03:49 AM
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Any advice for a person who's never had options of any kind before?
/r/seduction07/02/19 03:48 AM
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Well I've never had a woman attracted to me before, so it's definitely not an excuse as more of just a fact so far far hat I've never had a woman consider me attractive or good looking enough to date before.
/r/seduction07/02/19 03:34 AM
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There is a small percentage of guys who are screwed in some way that cannot be "gotten around" Yea I remember someone in my PMs brought this up. How I could be one of the men who are in a percentage of not attractive to women, or having low level genes that aren't meant to pass on. He mentioned other things as well about the subject but I don't remember. But I never saw it that way before. With women naturally wanting the best possible partner that I might not be the best possible partner in com…
/r/seduction07/02/19 03:33 AM
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I don't have any disorders, I go to the doctor regularly as I know him personally and I've never been diagnosed with anything of the sort. He's lacking a calibrated awareness of himself, basically, the net effect is pushing women away. Well to be honest, I feel like I have a very vivid awareness of myself and who I am. But I've never pushed any women away, everytime I've met a woman I've always been able to get along just fine and meet their friends or stay in touch etc. So I don't thnk pushing …
/r/seduction07/02/19 03:29 AM
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Is there any tips or advice video/blogs for guys who've never had any of these signs from women before or never had a woman find them attractive before like myself?
/r/seduction07/02/19 03:20 AM
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Do you have any advice for a guy like me who has never had a woman consider me attractive before? Or never recieved any kind of signs of interest from women in my life before?
/r/seduction07/02/19 03:17 AM
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Do you have any advice for guys like myself who has never had any woman be attracted to me before? How would you know when's appropriate?
/r/seduction07/02/19 03:16 AM
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I'm not really a good looking guy so I don't think pictures would be smart to use. Also I don't know if I'm 'bound' to get some matches considering I've never had any woman consider me attractive before in my life.
/r/seduction07/02/19 03:05 AM
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Well I'm not sure if I've "become attractive" just yet. I mean I've worked hard to improve and have met my personal goals but I'm not sure if its had any effect at all on what I look like to women. I also don't mind rejection, I mean if I did I don't know where I'd be right now lol. Rejection at least let's me know that someone isn't interested. Rejections isn't and issue. It's mostly that I haven't been able to meet any womans standards befor and that's what I'm working towards to be at that le…
/r/seduction05/02/19 06:42 PM
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I can send you one through PM.
/r/seduction05/02/19 07:25 AM
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Well yes that's why I mentioned in my response that other than him having a history of being g attractive enough to be with women then I'm kinda in the same boat as him. Except the big difference between OP and me is that I've never been considered attractive by women before. I have been focusing on what I have control over and what I can fix like my weight, health and appearance but so far I don't think I've gotten to the point of compensating for what i look like considering I've worked on sel…
/r/seduction05/02/19 06:53 AM
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Well as I mentioned before, I'm not a very good looking guy and not what would be considered average. I've had people here give me examples of "below average" and it's a little eye opening to see that I look worse than they do. So the guys who would be considered below average are better looking than me, so I'm not sure where I would fall in that case.
/r/seduction05/02/19 06:50 AM
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I guarantee at least one woman has found you at least slightly attractive in your life, and I bet it’s many more than one at that. So far that's never happened before, if it did I would being it up for sure. And if that ever did happen I would know that I was on the right track, as in if I meet one womans standards than that means improving. But since that's never happened before I'm continuing to work on myself and hopefully one day be at that level where I can meet the standard of a woman for …
/r/seduction05/02/19 05:28 AM
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That definitely sounds awesome. I don't think I'm attractive enough for that to happen realistically though. At most drunk girls will just talk a lot and cling onto me or whatever but again that's just what drink people do. I've personally never had any woman consider me attractive before at all so I don't think anyone will be doing so by accident anytime soon lol.
/r/seduction05/02/19 05:21 AM
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How can you expect a woman to like you if you say that you have never met any woman’s standards before. Well that's not really like and opinion that I have, it's mostly a statement that I've never been able to meet any womans standards before I'm 26 and out of all the people and women I've met, befriended and just overall been cool/had fun with. None have ever owns me attractive at all or been attracted to me before. So I'm not saying that in a bad way I bring it up cause I've never been able to…
/r/seduction05/02/19 05:11 AM
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Do you work on your style? I definitely do, I started losing a lot of weight about 2-3 years ago when I started self improvement. The good thing about losing about 60-70lbs was that I was able to redo my wardrobe twice and found better looking clothes that fit me better. Are you in athletic shape? I wouldn't say athletic shape but I am in the best shape of my life and have more muscle than ever. It's still a work in progress and while I'm very happy with myself I don't think I'd qualify to be ca…
/r/seduction05/02/19 05:04 AM
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That's what I've been told. And honestly it's just makes logical sense that women would always want the nest possible man for a partner. That's why I've been working on improving myself to be better and hopefully one day be at the same level of other guys who are attractive to women.
/r/seduction05/02/19 04:45 AM
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I only mentioned it cause you brought up the genes stuff like someone else did in one of my PMs. That women look for the best partner possible and for the strongest genes possible. So the men with the better genes are the ones who can pass them on, and he brought up that my genes may not be strong enough for women to consider attractive and I just never saw it that way before. I read that guys post, and while it is very awesome to hear his success him and I are kinda not on the same boat so to s…
/r/seduction05/02/19 04:41 AM
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Yea, a person who I DMed brought up a similar subject of women looking for the best partner possible and how its natural for them to do so. Bringing up the fact that I may be one of those guys who isn't meant to pass o my genes due to me not being good looking enough to display what women look for in an ideal partner to breed with. I never really though about it like that in a natural way but it could make sense given what I look like. Although it does suck to know that I could potentially just …
/r/seduction05/02/19 04:10 AM
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Yea, it's definitely some that does play a major factor if you don't meet a womans standards. I mean I'm 26 and never met any womans standards before, so I would agree that looks are very big in terms of people finding you attractive or not at all. I've worked on what I can to compensate for my looks like getting my health and life to the best point but I haven't been able to be decent looking enough for any woman yet.
/r/seduction05/02/19 04:08 AM
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Yea that's kinda where I'm stuck in. I'm not a very good looking guy so I've never had any woman consider me attractive before so I've never really had the opportunity to date or anything like that. Being cool with people and enjoying their company is just relatively easy and just what everyone does naturally, but being that I'm not very good looking I've never been considered decent looking enough any any woman to be attractive.
/r/seduction05/02/19 04:05 AM
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Would this work for someone who is not below average? I understand what you're saying but for people who are at the bottom level of attractiveness or who aren't enough to be consider below average does it still apply? I've never had any woman consider me attractive before in my life so I don't think I'd be in that league that you're talking about. I'm definitely not average looking as well, although I really really wish I was was average looking.
/r/seduction05/02/19 04:03 AM
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Well I only mention it because it's never happened before is all.
/r/seduction04/02/19 11:10 PM
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If you're talking about attraction then I wouldn't know about it as I've never had any woman consider me attractive at all before in my life.
/r/seduction04/02/19 10:32 PM
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Well I've seen some of RSD stuff but I'm not sure if I'm their target audience as all the RSD guys are really good looking and I'm not sure if their advice even applies to a guy like me who looks nothing like them.
/r/seduction04/02/19 10:01 PM
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Well I'm definitely not in the realm of normal/average although I really wish I was average at least. Now if u are a 0/10 first thing to do is take care of ur skin, lift daily, develop a good style, nice haircut, smell nice. All of these things will make u better looking a bit and then it goes working on urself and being confident etc. I kinda do all that already, for the past 2-3 years I kinda dedicated myself to improve and lose weight, lift, groom, style To try and compensate what I look like…
/r/seduction04/02/19 09:59 PM
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Yea I'm in sorry he same boat except I'm 26, being not very good looking I kinda ended up with no choice but to improve myself and focus on what I can change to try and be at the same level as other guys but I've never had any woman consider me attractive in my life so I'm not really sure what else could be been done really.
/r/seduction04/02/19 09:54 PM
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Well I've had women touch me but it's only been in a platonic way only. I've never had any woman consider me attractive before and I've tried to focus on what I can control to try and compensate for my looks. What do you mean by the look?
/r/seduction04/02/19 09:50 PM
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Alright guys. What about the amount of value you can bring to chicks? I'm not sure about value I bring to women, but I know that value I bring to myself anyway. How good are you at making adventures out of nothing? I'm pretty fine at that, have always been like that since I was a kid. At making her laugh using imagination and simple things? I can generally make my friends laugh and while I think I have an odd humor it seems to work when meeting new people anyways. There’s a lot more things that …
/r/seduction04/02/19 09:48 PM
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Do you have any advice for someone who is at a 0/10 like myself? Do you know of any advice that would be applicable for guys who aren't good looking?
/r/seduction04/02/19 09:33 PM
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Well I'm on the low end of ugly as well. I've focused a lot on what I can control such as weight and lifting etc but still haven't managed to compensate for my looks. Doesn't help that I'm so short as well at 5'9.
/r/seduction04/02/19 09:22 PM
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I'm in the same boat as you were. Although I never contemplated suicide, nor will I ever for that matter. I've also had some people who I've PMed with here bring up the stat that some men are just not genetically good enough to be attractive to women. It's the latest thing that I've been considering and I'm just wondering if that may be the case for me considering that I've never had any woman be attracted to me before in my life. For what it's worth, I'm 26 and on the bottom end of the attracti…
/r/seduction04/02/19 08:16 PM
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You're right in the sense that I do think of what I'm doing, I always think about what I'm doing, always think ahead to make sure as well. I don't think it's possible for me to not think about what I'm saying/doing as I believe it's always the best/logical course of action to always think before you act. My brain is easily my most powerful tool so I honestly don't know (even if I could) if shutting it off would be a good idea. I sometimes play music at home when I'm doing work stuff or I'm clean…
/r/seduction31/01/19 07:32 AM
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I was saying I've heard other women say it, just not about me obviously. I have been hitting the gym and working on myself for about 2-3 years now. Lost a lot of weight and funny you mention but it wasnt until last year that I lose enough to see my jawline for the first time lol, so that's cool for me I guess. But none of that has made me look any more attractive to women than when I started self improvement unfortunately. The only people that have impressed with seeing me after a while have bee…
/r/seduction30/01/19 08:32 PM
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Thanks man but women have been and will be attracted to you. but because of your attitude, you may never see it. Well so far there has never been a woman who considered me attractive before in my life. If it ever did happen I would've remembered for sure as it's something I've always wanted to experience at some point in my life, and I would have mentioned it for sure. keep working on yourself and trust that it will happen because if you work on yourself it will, i mean, what's the alternative. …
/r/seduction30/01/19 06:56 PM
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Well I'm most definitely not anywhere close to average, I think you'd agree more if you saw a pic of me honestly. Well I only compare because obviously women will in terms of what they consider attractive. And yes I have seen that sub before, except yea those guys are not really ugly. I wish I looked half as good as they do lol.
/r/seduction30/01/19 10:19 AM
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Well for one, just in comparison to other men and what good looking guys look like I just do not resemble that in any way. And I don't really qualify as average either. That and I've never had a woman think I was attractive at all before in my life, so I think that should give you some idea of what I look like.
/r/seduction30/01/19 10:12 AM
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Well I'm not sure if you could have good photos when you look like me is what I'm saying. Kinda not fair to just blame a "bad photo" when that's just what I look like lol. But yea, I'm definitely on the far, far end of the "ugly outlier" as you put it so well. On that note I'm not sure other than maybe heavy doctoring if there is much that can be done to improve what I look like through photos. Looks matter a lot more online. Much less in person. Find places to practice approaches. Well so far I…
/r/seduction30/01/19 10:05 AM
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Appearance and a good camera matters more than looks (bc most men look average). Well I definitely am not on the average scale lol. I wish I looked even remotely close to average to be honest. Appearance is what I've worked on the past 2-3 years, you know the things I have control over. Weight, lifting, grooming, clothes etc. But while I have made great strides and had personal goals met, so far none of it has made me any more or less attractive unfortunately. That and I don't think I've gotten …
/r/seduction30/01/19 09:57 AM
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As a guy who isn't very good looking I always thought that maybe online dating would be ideal until I saw that most sites require pictures of yourself so I wasn't going to do much there considering what I look like. I was down to do it at one point but I figured as I started self improvement about 2-3 years ago maybe I'd be able to work on myself and improve who I am to compensate. But being as online dating requires photos as you've mentioned I'm not sure if there is much of anything I can do t…
/r/seduction30/01/19 09:49 AM
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I'm not sure if that's necessarily true as I've heard women say when other men are attractive, or celebrities etc. I have some female friends as well and obviously they sometimes talk about a guy they think is attractive or their boyfriends/husbands that I know as well. I've just never had any woman find me attractive in that same way in my life before, which is not the most surprising thing if you knew what I looked like lol. I'm not a very good looking guy to say the least, but I have been wor…
/r/seduction30/01/19 09:46 AM
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Well, because out of all the people I've met in my life I've never had any woman consider me attractive or decent looking enough to date at least. So far there hasn't been any woman find me attractive at all so I never had the opportunity to kiss or date, etc.
/r/seduction30/01/19 09:37 AM
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Great video as always u/GET_IN_THE_VAN I do think it's kind of a crazy concept hat I've never thought of to know that there are men who attract women they don't even want. I mean me being a person who's never been attractive to any woman before in my life it's definitely hard for me to imagine what that even feels like. Being in my situation I don't think I could ever turn down a woman who was attracted to me at all considering she'd be the first and may very well be the only since it's never ha…
/r/seduction30/01/19 09:35 AM
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Yea, my goal is to meet at least one womans standards and hopefully go on a date someday. I know I still have a lot of work to do on myself before I'm in that kinda realm of attractiveness but I still work towards it nonetheless.
/r/seduction30/01/19 09:13 AM
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Oh I am, I'm doing all I can to improve and be a better person so that maybe one day I'll be at that level you know? Never had any woman consider me attractive enough to date or anything so I mostly focus on what I can control and improve on that to keep working on myself. It's all I can do really to compensate for what I look like.
/r/seduction30/01/19 09:12 AM
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I guess it can be depressing, but I doubt anyone here is in the same boat so I don't think anyone else can relate lol. I found it depressing at one point so that's why I started self improvement to try and make myself better to hopefully one day meet a woman's standards.
/r/seduction30/01/19 02:01 AM
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I'm good with eye contact with pretty much everyone as its helped me a lot in my career. But with women obviously its had no correlation at all in terms of making me look any more attractive or even compensating for my looks. So at least for me it hasn't worked in any way at all, but then again as I mentioned I'm working on self improvement to one day be at a level where some woman would consider me attractive some day.
/r/seduction30/01/19 01:02 AM
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Yea that's what I figured as much as well. I'm not a very good looking guy so I kinda knew online dating wasnt going to work but because I'm not very good looking real life dating isn't an option either. So I'm currently working to improve myself and get to that point where a woman would consider me attractive for the first time but even though I've worked at it for a few years now I still haven't reached that.
/r/seduction30/01/19 12:51 AM
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That definitely sounds like a more rich experience. I always though maybe i could've done something with online dating as I'm not very good looking, but sites and apps required pics so obviously that wasn't going to be very smart. making sly glances across the room, feeling the electricity when you meet someone special, laughing together That's what I always wanted to do one day. I never really had any woman be attracted to me before in my life or consider me decent looking enough to date or any…
/r/seduction30/01/19 12:46 AM
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As a guy who isn't very good looking I always thought that maybe online dating would be ideal until I saw that most sites require pictures of yourself so I wasn't going to do much there considering what I look like. So obviously in real life won't be so fun lol.
/r/seduction30/01/19 12:41 AM
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It's not that I'm uncomfortable, I just don't know how to dance or know what it all entail/what I should do or when I should do it or for what reason exactly.
/r/seduction30/01/19 12:30 AM
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Yea I'm 26 already right now so I'm definitely older than when you actually learned it. I never had any woman think I was attractive before or decent looking enough to date, and that was back when I was young. So I imagine due to me being older/aging I'm even more bad looking than I was back when I waa young, and as u mentioned I wasn't very good looking back then to begin with either lol.
/r/seduction30/01/19 12:29 AM
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Hey thanks for the video link. I'm always up for listening/reading new advice. I have seen videos from RSDMax before and while I do enjoy his styleof speaking I obviously can't do much with his methods considering I don't look anything like him at all lol. Buy I'll definitely watch the video later since you sent it. Although for what it's worth I read the title and I'm not really a negative thinking person to be honest. I'm currently aware of my main issue and I've been working on fixing it for …
/r/seduction30/01/19 12:21 AM
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Yea I definitely don't know how to dance lol, so I can't really relate to that. Yea my post is really more of a response to your great advice and how I wish I'd knew that kinda stuff when I was young.
/r/seduction28/01/19 07:09 PM
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Well I'm half mexican and half Italian and also 5'9 so I pretty much got 1000% screwed in bother categories of race and height lol. Not to mention I'm obviously not a very good looking guy either so that's on top of being really short and maxican/Italian.
/r/seduction28/01/19 10:42 AM
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Yea, I'm 26 myself so the boat has definitely sailed for me a while ago lol. Never really had any woman consider me attractive before or decent looking at all so I'm not sure if even if I applied some of these things back when I was young would have changed anything though.
/r/seduction28/01/19 10:31 AM
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Hey man, I wanted to say thanks for the long and obviously well thought out post. I can tell you've figured a lot out and just being able to share your experiences must be fun in and of itself. I'm not afraid to talk to women or make eye contact or have bad body language etc. I'm just not very good looking lol. I have worked on myself a lot with self improvement but I've never really been enough for a woman to consider decent looking enough to consider being attractive or anything. And while I w…
/r/seduction28/01/19 10:29 AM
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By saying it out loud while looking into a mirror, your brain will slowly start to believe what you are saying. I see what you're saying. Only issue I see is that even if I get to a person of where I believe it it still doesn't make it true you know? Like imagine if a guy convinced himself that his $1 bill was a $100 bill. It's nice that the guy believes it, but what good does that do him if it's not true in reality though? Does that make sense? That's how I see it anyway, i get what you're sayi…
/r/seduction28/01/19 08:43 AM
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I guess this is definitely what I can't do much about. While for the past 2-3 years I've lost a lot of weight and worked out, gotten new clothes, groomed better etc. It's definitely changed my life, my health, and overall made me feel better on a daily basis. Unfortunately none if it has had any effect on how good looking I am to women. I'm not very good looking at all so i began that self improvement to try and compensate for what my face looks like, but obviously it hasn't worked. So I'm not s…
/r/seduction26/01/19 10:11 AM
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Hey man, I've seen you post here and comment every once in a while and I definitely do enjoy your advice and just general outlook. In fact I have a few of your better quotes and advice saved to my notes to reference. I really think coaching and the concept is really awesome and I'm sure the guys you do help out are grateful for it. I personally live to read about it and your adventures/obstacles like you posted here because I never really had the opportunity to do any of that stuff but I do love…
/r/seduction26/01/19 09:56 AM
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Not many people in your situatuion have the will power to go through that and try to get better. Thanks, I figured as much. I kinda have to choices, either work or wallow. Sure you need a decent look to attract girls. Well that's kinda the primary issue. Been working in getting to that level for the last 2-3 years or so, and while I've achieved a lot of personal goals I've yet to reach a point where I'm decent enough for women to consider enough to date or attractive. Also what i learned is that…
/r/seduction26/01/19 09:41 AM
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Well I've started self improvement for about 2-3 years now. Lost a lot of weight, about 55lbs now, gained some muscle and been able to keep up my grooming/clothes cause I lost weight and had to change it twice anyways. So far even after that I'm not any more or less attractive than when I started. If anything I'm obviously less attractive now than before due to aging and the fact that I'm older now. I still work out and keep myself busy cause it makes me feel good, but so far its had zero impact…
/r/seduction25/01/19 01:17 PM
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I don't smile in photos because it doesnt look very good at all. I'm already not a very good looking guy so you can imagine what smiling does to that lol.
/r/seduction24/01/19 06:14 AM
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Well I don't have a good smile so usually smiling is not a good idea.
/r/seduction24/01/19 06:14 AM
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What advice would you have for a guy like myself who is less than below average on looks? Would any of that apply or is that mostly different? Just to give you an idea I've never had any woman consider me attractive so I'm less attractive than your below average friend.
/r/seduction24/01/19 06:12 AM
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Thanks, I've made big strides in terms of self improvement since I started around 2-3 years ago. Was able to stabilize myself both physically and mentally to be at the best point in my life for both. Advice like the type you give to people around here and as you gave to me here helps way more than you think. Getting words of wisdom from people who know what they are talking about for a guy like me is invaluable. I know I have a ways to go but advice like this reminds me to stay on the path to gr…
/r/seduction22/01/19 09:17 PM
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Success with women is not winning the genetic lottery, that's a bit of the "victim" mentality and it excuses you for allowing yourself remain average. Well I know I didn't win the genetic lotto with what I look like lol. I don't see myself as a "victim" of it, it is what it is, there's not much I can do about how unattractive my face looks so I try to focus on the other aspects that I do have control over. I was 400LB's and not attractive at one point and a gorgeous woman who looked like a model…
/r/seduction22/01/19 08:35 PM
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Yea. I've been focused on self improvement and becoming a better me each day. I've achieved a lot of personal goals since starting about 2-3 years ago. But so far I've never met any woman who thought I was attractive at all so I'm not sure if I'm anyone's preference really.
/r/seduction22/01/19 05:20 PM
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I'm light skinned but wouldn't call myself brown so to speak, maybe a light shade of brown as I'm only half mexican and other half Italian. So I guess it's safe to say I drew the worst possible Gene's lol, well in terms of what women find attractive anyways considering I've never had any woman think I was ever good looking or attractive before.
/r/seduction22/01/19 09:59 AM
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Thanks for sharing your views, always wondered what type women actually liked. I kinda got shafted super hard being half mexican and Italian lol, so I drew the worst end of the stick when it comes to looks and race genes, at least when it comes to what women find attractive anyway. Not really sure what I can do to change that though.
/r/seduction22/01/19 09:57 AM
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Great advice and very well laid out. You probably should not ignore seddit considering you have such good clear cut advice. I know I'm not your target audience as I've never been on a date or had any woman be attracted to me before but I have seen your other posts before in ask reddit and you are a great source of info and insight. I'm sure you can help others here whom your advice would actually be applicable to.
/r/seduction22/01/19 09:54 AM
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Well I'm only 5'9 so pretty much every guy is taller in han me, so I figure 6ft is like the standard for men and it's definitely what women always talk about in men, how tall they are and being 6ft and all.
/r/seduction03/01/19 06:31 PM
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I figure being 26, no experience with women and not very good looking on top of that is probably the worst time to start.
/r/seduction03/01/19 06:15 PM
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I don't mind sending face pics via PM or something, mostly to get people's opinions on what I look like. I honestly wish my face was average lol, it is definitely well below average. & I'm definitely not jacked either. I've lost a lot of weight and have gained muscle obviously but not anything close to bring "jacked".
/r/seduction03/01/19 05:57 PM
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I've never gotten an IOI before, it's kinda kind he reason why I started self improvement. What makes you say you'd have doubts? I've mentioned before that I'm not a very decent looking guy to begin with. I'm sure I've never gotten any kind of those signals before or else I would definitely mention it, or at least it would give me some hope that I met some woman's standards and go from there.
/r/seduction03/01/19 06:59 AM
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I did figure that, been going to the gym for the past 2 or so years, lost a lot of weight, had to rebuy clothes cause of big weight loss so I've gotten two chances to find a better suited style for me casually and professionally. Worlds different when it comes to grooming, I'm easily in the best shape and feel the best I ever have. But yea, I'm definitely not that good looking but I have done what I can to make up for what I look like.
/r/seduction03/01/19 05:43 AM
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Isn't 6ft and up average? I don't think 5'9 would considered average. Not for a man at least, most women would consider that pretty short I think.
/r/seduction03/01/19 03:21 AM
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Yea, I can't do much about height. I just got completely shafted on height lol. I did figure that, been going to the gym for the past 2 or so years, lost a lot of weight, had to rebuy clothes cause of big weight loss so I've gotten two chances to find a better suited style for me casually and professionally. Worlds different when it comes to grooming, I'm easily in the best shape and feel the best I ever have. But yea unfortunately I'm just not very good looking at all really. But doing what I c…
/r/seduction03/01/19 02:43 AM
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Well as you mentioned, no situation is worse than being a virgin to women and that's kinda where I am so I don't really see the way around that unfortunately.
/r/seduction03/01/19 02:27 AM
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Face mostly. I'm just really bad looking. I am short as well at 5'9, don't think I'm balding, hairline receded a bit but that's mostly natural in my family. But no one in my family is fully bald.
/r/seduction03/01/19 02:14 AM
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Very well said. And yea, I agree. It does suck to hear but I do agree. I guess I just really drew the short end of the stick when it comes to looking attractive.
/r/seduction03/01/19 02:12 AM
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If I had to bet I'd say it's cause I'm ugly really lol.
/r/seduction03/01/19 02:09 AM
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I wouldn't say I'm afraid of talking to beautiful women, or just people in general to be honest. But I'm not good looking myself which is the major issue I have so in terms of looks I'm definitely not on any womans league considering I've never had a woman find me attractive before.
/r/seduction03/01/19 12:22 AM
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nothing will get this girl dryer than to tell her "no woman fucked me before" - that will decrease your SMV to 0. Very well said, unfortunately it confirms my issues. I'm in the same boat. 26 and never met a womans standards before, so as you mentioned women hate virgins I'm kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place considering women don't want to sleep with guys who are unattractive to women as you said. Am I just s.o.l. when it comes to the whole women/sex thing?
/r/seduction03/01/19 12:13 AM
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What if you are a virgin and have not had sex with younger women or anyone at all?
/r/seduction03/01/19 12:10 AM
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I did figure that, been going to the gym for the past 2 or so years, lost a lot of weight, had to rebuy clothes cause of big weight loss so I've gotten two chances to find a better suited style for me casually and professionally. Worlds different when it comes to grooming, I'm easily in the best shape and feel the best I ever have. But yea unfortunately I am definitely a goblin lol. Most my face would be considered goblin for sure.
/r/seduction03/01/19 12:04 AM
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Yea this is definitely what kills me 100%. Not being very good looking myself there isn't really much that I relate to in terms of seduction, but I love the theory of it even if I've never had the opportunity to ever practice it myself.
/r/seduction02/01/19 11:56 PM
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You are definitely not in the realm of ugly at all man! If I looked even one fourth as good as you I'd be considerable at least. Unfortunately I'm not so lucky lol. Either way I love watching your vids, each one better than the last. I'm 100% sure they are helpful to better looking guys.
/r/seduction29/12/18 01:40 AM
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I mean you're a really handsome looking dude, and you definitely know your stuff. Been watching your vids for a while and I do enjoy them, but I'm just being real I look nothing like you lol.
/r/seduction27/12/18 06:19 PM
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Great video as always, you've been doing this for a while and I think you've gotten better each time. Been a fan of your videos since you first started posting them on here. They're not really applicable to me or my situation but dude if I looked even a little bit as good as you do I would 100% try the methods you teach in all your vids!
/r/seduction27/12/18 11:30 AM
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Well so far I haven't been enough for any woman yet. But I have done all I can in terms of self improvement & increasing my quality of life. Definitely still have work to do on myself though. But not sure if I should still read seduction or maybe focus on something else?
/r/seduction27/12/18 12:15 AM
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Should I continue to read up on seduction if I've never been good looking enough to meet the standards of any woman before? Thanks.
/r/seduction24/12/18 09:10 AM
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I definitely do not feel young at 26. I guess to me 26 is already considered an adult by that point. I'm glad to hear that you're doing well after a divorce, I know those can affect people differently. I personally never had the opportunity to date or do anything like that with women so I think by this point I'm kinda past that.
/r/seduction24/12/18 06:07 AM
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Yea, I'm just realistic is all. I don't think its sane to be 26 and bank on hopefully being a "late bloomer". It's like waiting for a 12:30 bus that never comes and waiting there for years. At some point you probably have to move on to better things you know? If I was 18 or 19 I could see someone considering me a late bloomer. But at 26 being an adult? I don't think so lol. My life is fine all things considered. Yea I never got to go on a date or kiss or any of that stuff but I've made a great l…
/r/seduction08/12/18 05:47 PM
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I think I'm kind of way past the limit of a "late bloomer" no? If my time hasn't come yet then I think it probably won't come at all at this rate lol.
/r/seduction08/12/18 05:14 PM
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Love seeing retrospective advice posts like these. Although they can make me feel bad because I'm on the older side now and never had the opportunity to date or anything so I wonder if I had any of this advice back when I was young maybe things could have been different.
/r/seduction08/12/18 11:00 AM
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You're being ridiculous. Do you realize how you're going to all this trouble to erase all the possibilities you probably have? I apologize if it comes off that way. I guess I don't really see these as possibilities because I know them and that they are already with someone else. It's about the fact that you keep saying you NEVER get IOIs. I guess for me an IOI would mean that they are interested, but in this case they are not interested because they have partners already? I guess I'm just confus…
/r/seduction05/10/18 10:27 AM
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Change my mind about what exactly? I was mentioning that I've never had any woman think I was attractive enough to date or anything. I have done a lot to try and make myself look better but I still haven't been able to be enough for a woman.
/r/seduction03/10/18 12:04 PM
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I never had any success with women. My goal originally was to kiss a girl, but I kinda lowered that to try and go on a date for the first time. But obviously that all failed back when I was young so now at my age I'm sure I just kinda missed the boat at this point. Trying to start now is not really the best idea. I haven't been able to ever attract a woman, or have any woman consider me attractive. And that was back in my prime, I only imagine now that I'm older and naturally look worse due to a…
/r/seduction03/10/18 11:06 AM
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everyone out there has it own looks, the thing is that you have to own it right. What do you mean by that exactly? I only mention it because I'm not very physically attractive, which is obviously the biggest factor. But I do what I can to compensate.
/r/seduction03/10/18 09:16 AM
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I've been working out for about 3 years now. Lost about 80lbs so far and still getting my weight down to target. Obviously I'm well groomed and dress to fit like everyone else. I It hink that's just normal. I'm not depressed at all honestly. I mean when it comes to women obviously I'm not very good looking so while I don't have any trouble talking to anyone, I've never had any woman think i was good looking enough to date so i think i still have work to do on that end if i ever want to reach a w…
/r/seduction03/10/18 09:03 AM
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I guess the big difference between us is that I've never had any woman be attracted to me before or been in a date, etc. And I'm 26. I haven't been able to attract one woman in my life let alone plenty. I'm sure it doesn't help that I'm not a very good looking guy but I've done what I can within my control to compensate for that. At my age and given what I look like I'm nor sure if there's anything I can do considering all of the pua or advice stuff I've seen online careers to men who are attrac…
/r/seduction03/10/18 08:39 AM
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My confidence in my life and my personal abilities is fine. Obviously when it comes to women and dating, I've never been able to have a woman consider me attractive or anything so that's a different story. When it comes to things I have control over then yea I can eventually do it, but things out of my control like what I look like are definitely a hindrance. Turns out attracting women isn't viable when you're physically unattractive to women. I'm 26 years old so I think I've unfortunately hit t…
/r/seduction03/10/18 08:24 AM
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If those are considered IOIs then what can I do about them if they're coming from friends who are either married or already in a relationship? I don't think those compliments are meant to be advanced on or taken as a request unless I'm missing something. And I've never really avoided any interactions with anyone in recent memory. Especially not women, if someone talks to me or whatever I do not avoid them.
/r/seduction03/10/18 07:14 AM
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I have seen Tyler's videos on youtube. And really if Tyler is considered not attractive then I might be worse off than I think, cause he's definitely leagues more attractive looking than I am for sure. His advice has been sound here and there but once again he gives advice to men that are already attractive enough for women, i try to find advice for men who are not attractive to women to see what I an use personally.
/r/seduction03/10/18 07:11 AM
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I'm not really understanding though, if women find him attractive then wouldn't he be defined as attractive to women? I mentioned that I'm not very attractive looking to women as I've never had a woman think that I look attractive. That's a different situation from the person you named considering that women did think he was attractive looking enough to sleep with?
/r/seduction03/10/18 07:05 AM
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Yea it's just that I'm not very attractive looking. Obviously the fat guy you're talking about was good looking enough to sleep with a woman, I'm not even good looking enough to even go on a date yet so I don't think him and I are on the same level of looks. I'm just not good looking enough for women to find me attractive, mostly wondering to see if there is any advice or help catered towards men that women don't find good looking.
/r/seduction03/10/18 04:00 AM
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I've seen your posts before and I do enjoy your content. Most pua or advice content is really great to read/watch. Unfortunately it doesn't really apply to me mostly cause I haven't really seen any advice or pua material that caters towards guys like myself who are not attractive to women.
/r/seduction03/10/18 01:40 AM
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Mostly my looks, I'm definitely not a good looking guy.
/r/seduction03/10/18 01:35 AM
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I have focused on what I am in control over, weight, lifting, grooming, clothes, etc. But yea, I'm just not a good looking guy and I don't think I've done enough to compensate for my looks. I've never been able to go on a date before, it was a goal of mine to reach a point where I could meet a woman's standard to be able to go on a date someday. Maybe kiss a girl or something you know. BTW, the playboys in their 30s and 40s, I never said they were models. Yea I'm 26 and never had a chance to to …
/r/seduction03/10/18 12:57 AM
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It's mostly cause I never had a gf or went on a date, etc. I'm not a really good looking guy so I'm not really a part of the whole pua stuff.
/r/seduction02/10/18 11:12 PM
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I'm 26 now so I passed the whole dating and sex thing. I never really got to do any of it but I love reading about the guys who are successful in it like yourself!
/r/seduction02/10/18 10:17 PM
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I wouldn't mind rejection, I'm most just trying to work on getting at the same level to meet women's standards one day to hopefully on a date someday. If a girl says no then at least I'll have an answer.
/r/seduction02/10/18 07:00 PM
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I had someone from here on seddit PM me and request that I try tinder as I told them I've never tried a dating app before due to me not being very good looking, and as we all know dating apps are based on pictures of yourself. He convinced me to try it and he said I'd be surprised with how many matches I got, I figured maybe I'd get one? But after a few months I never got a match ever, it was pretty bad but I don't know what I expected out it honestly. Using a dating app that are based on pictur…
/r/seduction02/10/18 06:57 PM
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Any advice for guys who are not good looking or are not attractive to women?
/r/seduction02/10/18 12:56 PM
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I do my best to improve, but still haven't been at that level to be able to date. I never really had a basement dwelling phase, I've been really busy doing work stuff so that ate a lot of my time. I enjoy it and it allows me to live a life that I can handle easily but other than my professional life no I have never had any opportunities.
/r/seduction02/10/18 12:11 AM
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First of all I just wanna say that this is seriously awesome to read. As a guy who's never been able to go on a date before this is all awesome and fun to read into considering you've more than likely not only practiced this stuff but also have had success with it which is exciting to read about! These are the things that I like reading on seduction, things that can kinda give a guy like me some idea of what it's like to go on a date or what a guy who can date should be doing and how it all conn…
/r/seduction01/10/18 10:17 AM
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I've never had a girlfriend or went on a date before so I think I would qualify as not having standards considering it's not like I can choose you know? I know I'm not very good looking myself so I don't think I'm in a position to be judging any woman on her looks. Even with not having any expectation on what women look like I've never been able to have any woman consider me attractive enough to date let alone kiss or have sex with.
/r/seduction01/10/18 10:10 AM
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I'm not sure about this one. I learned very early on from a mentor of mine that taught me about eye contact. Although he taught me in a professional/business sense and not a seduction one so I may be off on this by a lot base on that. But I've since always been able to have positive and great eye contact with anyone that I talk to mostly because I made it a goal of mine to always practice it in any situation mostly because I wanted to make it second nature for my work when dealing with partners …
/r/seduction01/10/18 09:41 AM
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I wish EVERY guy would get off Tinder or sign a pact to get off all dating sites. That'll be the day. I never tried any dating sites until someone from here gave me the advice to do so because I've never been able to go on a date with someone and he said I'd get at least one match on an app. Obviously that didn't turn out well and I'm kinda between a rock and a hard place here because I'm not a very good looking guy so I feel like dating apps wouldn't work because of how I look and it being base…
/r/seduction01/10/18 09:37 AM
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What IOIs have we talked about? I don't think I've dismissed any, I'd obviously welcome any iois and wouldn't be inclined to dismiss them.
/r/seduction01/10/18 09:36 AM
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Well I'm not really a good looking guy so I don't know how good the pictures can really be.
/r/seduction29/09/18 06:34 PM
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I mostly meant as in I wasn't very good looking back when I was younger so naturally (due to aging) I only look worse as I'm older.
/r/seduction27/09/18 08:37 PM
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so take that idea of sex being the goal out of your mind. you enjoy life, Sex isn't necessarily a goal, just kinda something on my bucket list of things I wish I could do. I guess you mention paying for sex, in my case it would be a viable solution considering I'm not really a good looking guy and not really attractive enough to attract a woman to bed, etc. you enjoy the process of attraction via approaching, flirting, dating and you will get to that point where sex just happens. Well I've never…
/r/seduction26/09/18 09:35 AM
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You’re still young and have so much life left to live. Well I'm 26 so I don't know if that's considered young anymore. I consider it an adult age personally. Do the stuff you love and learn to do it well and the girls will follow, regardless of what you look like. Ironically I have done this and I've only excelled the more I enjoyed myself in my career, but obviously the girls didn't 'follow' lol, as I've still to ever have any woman like me. Remember that women are a byproduct of your goals and…
/r/seduction26/09/18 06:52 AM
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Well I've never been able to have sex so I'm sure the people who have it think its overrated but as so.eone who's never had a woman like them before its definitely something I would like to do someday.
/r/seduction26/09/18 04:12 AM
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Well I've never been able to attract any woman before so I'm sure it's easier for some people who probably look better than I do.
/r/seduction26/09/18 04:06 AM
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Very well said. It's awesome that you managed to find success on apps/sites like these. Sometimes I wish I were average looking myself. I'm not a very attractive looking guy so while your method doesn't work with my situation I do appreciate you being so straight forward.
/r/seduction09/09/18 10:57 AM
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I only mention it because I've never had any woman consider me attractive before or good looking. But it's something that I am still working on.
/r/seduction12/08/18 01:02 AM
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Yea I still work out still, dont plan on stopping even if I do decide to give up on dating m because it makes me feel great. I did have a chance to change my wardrobe twice thanks to losing so much weight, so I was able to revise it better the second time. Plenty of ugly guys do great with women. I know more than a few. I mean if they're doing great with women I don't think they can be ugly considering they're attractive to women. I definitely still am working on myself to try and reach that lev…
/r/seduction11/08/18 05:15 AM
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Are you a total troll or what? Looking I mean. I'm not considered very good looking by any means. In terms of attractiveness yea I'd say I'm pretty much a total troll as you out it lol. If by trollish you mean just ugly then yea I'm on the very low end of the scale. I'm short, have crooked teeth and I'm balding. I have a nice face, but I'm skinny fat. Yea I'm really short myself at 5'9, my hair is really curly so it often looks odd unless I really style it, when I'm out casual it look weird. I a…
/r/seduction11/08/18 03:51 AM
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This article was amazingly well made man, thanks for sharing it and I look forward to checking out your stuff in the future. I love seeing articles from guys who knows what they're doing/have had great success in dating l as I've never been able to date or kiss or any of that stuff, I do like reading about the whole process because it kinda gives me a glimpse of what it's like to be attractive looking. I'm 26 and while I've turned my life around and focused on improving myself and being the best…
/r/seduction11/08/18 02:49 AM
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I've personally started self improvement about 3 years ago to turn my life around and get my life together. Part of that was to lose weight and focus on what I can control in terms of my attractiveness considering I'm not s really good looking guy to begin with. I lost about 100lbs and became stable in my life and I've never felt happier/more proud of myself. But unfortunately it hasn't made me any more or less attractive looking to women than when I started. I began looking into game and seduct…
/r/seduction11/08/18 02:30 AM
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I guess I'm talking more about physical appearance since that seems to be my biggest issue at the moment. I personally know a few people that were 4/10 and as soon as they grew their confidence, I would say they went up to a 7-8/10. Just by changing their demeanor. Well I don't think I'd qualify as a 4/10, that seems a bit too high from what i actually look like. I have done a lot in terms of improving my appearance such as diet, lifting and grooming, clothes, etc. but even after the years of wo…
/r/seduction11/08/18 01:50 AM
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I got a good haircut a few years ago and began growing it to style it better. I changed my wardrobe after I had lost about 100lbs so I had a chance to change/revise it twice. Along with grooming, etc I've done a lot of what I never ever did as a kid in terms of grooming or making myself look better. Hits the bars at night maybe. Everyone goes from a 5/10 to a 8/10 when drinking. Well I'm definitely not a 5/10 lol, that seems way too high for me.
/r/seduction10/08/18 10:05 PM
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Yea I've done that plenty before, I don't have any issues talking to people and whatnot. But it's not so much that I'm afraid (afraid of what exactly?) It's just that I've never had any woman consider me good looking before which is what I'm working on trying to fix by self improvement.
/r/seduction10/08/18 08:22 PM
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I usually make people smile with a dumb joke or two, but I've never had a woman attracted to me in any way before. I'm not the OP, but I have been going to the gym consistently for the past 2 years. I've since lost about 100lbs but I don't think it's done anything to make me any more or less attractive to women. I personally feel better but don't feel like it's changed anything about my appearance.
/r/seduction10/08/18 06:55 PM
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Very nice and amazingly laid out post of advice here. I've personally never had any type of indicator of interest, either the ones you're talking about or the normal ones so I can't really weigh how accurate any of this is as I've never done anything like this with a woman but it's always awesome to hear how you guys' do it and what to do when it does happen for you.
/r/seduction10/08/18 11:30 AM
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It’s either you are good with women or your not. Man, this is the kinda stuff that's hurts to hear. Mostly when I read it and realize that I might be the kind that isn't good with women.
/r/seduction10/08/18 11:27 AM
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you can get girls to like you. Well that's kinda what I've been trying to do my whole life lol. I've never had any woman like me before, not in any kind of romantic way anyways, so I'm still working on improving myself to get tot that level where I'm good looking enough to have at least one woman think I'm good enough.
/r/seduction10/08/18 11:25 AM
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I'm in a similar boat, except I'm much much older at 26 and my goal this year originally was to try and get my first date. I'm not so hung up on being a virgin as opposed to just women not finding me good looking enough to date. Something that I have been working on.
/r/seduction10/08/18 11:23 AM
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I mean I really wish I was able be good looking enough for a woman to consider me attractive as it's never really happened before. When people talk about indicators of interest and what you should do when you get one I'm kinda stumped because I've never had any woman show me any type of romantic interest in any way so I'm definitely lost when it comes to general advice considering I've never had a woman like me in that way before.
/r/seduction31/07/18 11:56 PM
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Idk, I never had any woman be attracted to me as a teenager but at the same time I wasn't very good looking then either. I really wanted to go on a date back then too but no one really liked me in that way.
/r/seduction29/07/18 05:46 PM
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I didn't have dating success or experience until I was in my 20s. That's definitely one if my issues is that I'm 26 now and never had any success with dating or women. "Oh my time passed", "Are bars not for me?" Those questions were mostly to know if i's still, at my age, normal to try and date? Obviously I've never dated before so I didn't know if trying to start dating now would be a good idea or not. And the bar thing I only asked about because most bars seem to be more towards young people l…
/r/seduction26/07/18 08:24 AM
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I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to as I've had many great exchanges with recyclablebanthas. I have worked a lot on my self esteem and I have done a ton in the past 3 years to improve myself and do what I can within my control to make myself as attractive as possible to be able to date. So I don't believe I've been sitting on my ass. In fact I've worked harder this past year than I ever have in my life. But believe me that I am still doing what I can in my control to improve.
/r/seduction25/07/18 03:02 AM
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It's fine not to be all sex-driven and improve in other aspects To be honest it's not really so much about sex. I mean my goal was to try and see if I could improve myself to the point of being g able to be attractive looking enough for at least one woman. And the goal was to go on a date and maybe more. It was more so to see if I was able to reach that level. but it's a complete other thing to be 26, say "my ship in dating has passed, might as well become celibate". Well I obviously don't want …
/r/seduction24/07/18 10:50 PM
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I think you are contradicting yourself a bit here. I mean, you say you don't let women define you, but, in the meantime, you say that you are not attractive. Who was the judge for that if not women? What I sort of meant with that was that even though I'm not attractive that doesn't really define who I am you know? Just because I'm not good looking doesn't mean that I should feel bad about myself or who I am. Obviously women are the judge of looks and obviously I fail in that department lol, but …
/r/seduction24/07/18 09:07 PM
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This is borderline the worst fucking thread I've seen on this sub. Sorry you feel that way man, I contemplated even making this thread and even consulted a mod about it to make sure it didn't break any rules or rub people the wrong way. It's mostly a thank you to people who have helped and anyone who frequents the sub either helping out or just searching for advice. I'm sorry but your comments are literally just "I haven't had a woman attracted to me ever so I'm just giving up on women" and a bu…
/r/seduction24/07/18 08:52 PM
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What have you been like before in terms of women? How has this improved? Well in general I used to not be able to speak to people very well, but now I have no issues speaking to anybody. In terms of women? I guess that's an improvement? But it has not led to anything so I'm not sure. Favorite videos, instructors, books, etc.? I've seen a ton of videos/instructors but none of them really resonated with me enough to keep watching or go back to them. My favorite book that I read since I began self …
/r/seduction24/07/18 05:43 PM
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I don't know if I'd be able to give you an exact number over the last 2 years. I don't really have any issues talking to people (not anymore at least), but I've never met any woman who ever found me attractive looking before.
/r/seduction24/07/18 04:21 PM
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Yea, 3 years ago I was obese, not a dead end job, but not a great one, living in an apartment, depressed, etc. So I know that my goal for self improvement was a smashing success in terms of what I wanted to get out it. And I know the sky is the limit from here on out. Do not give up. I'm 26 as well, and went out on my very first date a week ago. That's seriously awesome to hear man. I love hearing stories and things like that and easily one of the reasons I love reading here. I know it practical…
/r/seduction24/07/18 04:01 PM
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Oh ok, I see what you mean lol. I'm familiar with that. I definitely have become a better person overall, but I think it's time to move on from the women/dating thing finally. I feel I've wasted too much time on it and obviously nothing good has come from it. So I want to focus on more positive things in my life and start looking towards my personal future.
/r/seduction24/07/18 03:54 PM
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It really does feel like I'm leaving a job or club or something. You guys seriously have helped and I've had mostly positive experiences when I've asked for general advice. But I do feel like with me not being able to reach any goals that I set in this field that I might be more productive if I set my sights on something else. What if you meet the girl of your dreams tomorrow and have a great interaction with her? Are you going to forgo asking for her number because you’ve “moved on”? Not sure w…
/r/seduction24/07/18 03:23 PM
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Not sure what you mean by the comment. But when I say bigger and better things its more so to focus on aspects of my life that are more positive and in my control of things that I can do or even help others now that I'm in a position to be generous and give back. Never had any luck with the whole women/dating thing and I just feel like I've probably spent too much time already focusing on trying to fix it that I may be overlooking what I can be achieving. Also I don't think I'm in a position to …
/r/seduction24/07/18 03:03 PM
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I dedicated my life to self improvement about 3 years ago, and I'm all the better for it. I came here mostly for advice on how I could change to be attractive to women mostly as I feel I have a firm grasp on my life now thankfully. What I mean by being 26 is that I'm that age and never been able to attract a woman before. My goal this year was to go on my first date, but I wonder if the whole women/dating/sex thing might be something I'm not really cut out for. Either way, I've found myself look…
/r/seduction24/07/18 07:26 AM
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This is negative self-talk. Someone shows interest, and you find ways to rationalize it away. Or you ignore it altogether. I could very well be just me but seeing someone say hi to them as they're saying hi to everyone else, I'm don't know if I'd consider that flirting? In which case I don't know if anyone would greet each other formally without it being taken as romantic interest each time. But we've been over this several times at this point. You refuse to believe what I'm saying is true so th…
/r/seduction11/07/18 11:10 PM
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We've talked about pics not really being allowed here, but that said, you showed me one time before and I've seen guys who look like you, who clean up with the ladies. Did I share pics with you? I honestly don't recall, but maybe I did. Considering that I've never been able to attract a woman before I'm not sure if I have the looks to clean up with the ladies if I can't even get one to think I'm good looking lol. But it is what I'm working on obviously. And you'll be out of this prison when you …
/r/seduction11/07/18 11:01 PM
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How bad could your looks be? It's pretty bad to be completely honest. Yea I have worked on myself a lot and lost a lot of weight from when I was younger. Have managed to turn my life around but in terms of looks or being attractive to women, I'm definitely on the bottom end in that department. The mod seems to suggest you've mentioned cases of women indicating interest before. Oh no, I just told him about a time where a woman asked me if she could hug me. But I also mentioned that she greets peo…
/r/seduction11/07/18 06:00 AM
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I don't believe she was flirting though. I mentioned that she greets people with hugs and whatnot and I didn't wanna take it was weird because she greets a lot of people like that, I didn't wanna assume that she was romantically interested just because she hugged and and that's just how she greets people.
/r/seduction11/07/18 12:56 AM
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Someone recently brought up to my knowledge the topic of iois and while I think it's cool it's also something that I've never happened to me but it's cool to know what it is and how other men experience it.
/r/seduction10/07/18 08:44 AM
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Now I know you think you have extroversion problems and social anxiety and so on, but truth is, you're just lonely and not used to this. You're just conditioned to this life. But that's all part of the lie keeping you down. It takes getting used to, it will be uncomfortable, it will be awkward and hard, but you got this! Honestly, I wouldn't consider myself having social anxiety at all at the moment. I did when I was in high school. Believe me man, I legitimately had issues just speaking to peop…
/r/seduction10/07/18 08:28 AM
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I missed out on opportunities with amazingly beautiful girls because, due to my temporary insucess, I was convincing myself I was too ugly to be dateable. Well I guess the one positive thing I can say about never attracting a woman before is that at least I don't have that regret of missing opportunities like other men feel bad about. I can't imagine what that's like, obviously not the worst thing in the world considering that at leas a woman liked you but still annoying to know you missed an op…
/r/seduction10/07/18 08:27 AM
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My first year I was easing intonlifting, the second year I went 3 times a week easy. Now I go about 2-3 times a week mostly because of work schedule changing depending on what I need to prioritize. But yes, I have built muscle and still am, definitely more than I ever had in my life for sure. I personally believe in myself, I wouldn't have achieved what I have today if I didn't. But obviously women don't share the same opinion that I have of myself. I understand that it isn't easy but I thought …
/r/seduction10/07/18 06:34 AM
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I'm sure guys who are attractive to women have no issue dating no matter how old they are, I only bring up my age cause I'm 26 and never had a woman consider me attractive before & I don't think that bodes well for the rest of my life honestly. I wasn't a very good looking guy back in my prime when I was young and obviously, due to aging, I'm only looking worse with age on top of that. I've been going to the gym for 3 years now when I started self improvement. Lost the vast majority of my old we…
/r/seduction10/07/18 03:00 AM
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Yea, I screwed up by starting to lift at 23 but I decided to stick with it anyway. That was around when I did start my self improvement. Lifting, dieting and grooming better. Took care of all my hygiene problems etc. Took up hobbies and stuck with the ones I enjoyed the most. It's really awesome to hear your stories. I think the big difference is that I've never had any woman consider me attractive before. And I wasn't so good looking back in my prime so I know that aging isn't going to help my …
/r/seduction09/07/18 09:31 PM
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'start living' and attaining confidence should come hand in hand. I do agree. When I started self improvement I honestly started living. Except I did that to start my path to becoming more attractive to women. While I failed on the women part, I did eventually find my life and founded my future along with it. Before that I was completely lost. If you do that and say Hi to women every so often, you'll get lucky accidentally. Well, my luck has generally always been good. But when it comes to women…
/r/seduction09/07/18 06:54 PM
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Man, you are SO YOUNG. Way too young to give up. Is 26 considered young? I pretty much consider it a full adult at that point in my opinion. I mean the only reason I'm considering focusing on my life is because I've kinda gone 26 years without any woman being attracted to me so I don't know if women/dating/sex is even something I'm cut out for? I've tried for the past 3 years to improve every aspect of my life in order to be attractive looking enough for women but ironically in failing to do tha…
/r/seduction09/07/18 05:52 PM
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Yes I am 26, gonna be 27 in Feb. Next year already lol. Seems to me you never spent time developing your confidence, just assumed it would come by losing weight and getting a good job. I may be wrong, but the reason I started my quest for self improvement was to search for confidence to make myself in a better person. I can definitely tell you that I never used to have the confidence to go to the gym, let alone consistently do it. I would've never had the confidence back then to quit my job and …
/r/seduction09/07/18 05:36 PM
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I'm 30 but there are definitely hot women in their 40s/50s. Not sure how old you are exactly but there's opportunity there. If your sex drive is going away though, yeah, focus on priorities. Well I'm currently 26, I'll be 27 in Feb. next year. I've never been able to do anything with women so I have zero experience so I'm not even sure if I count as even having a sex drive considering I've never done anything lol. They probably have. This is just a negative inner belief you have that is continui…
/r/seduction09/07/18 05:28 PM
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Breaks my heart mate, but you didn't answer my question Yes, I have talked to women before obviously. I've met many women but I've never met any woman who ever considered me attractive enough to be interested. Let alone date or anything. I've done a lot of more social stiff this year than I was ever comfortable with, but at least I got to meet cool new people and friends whom could help out. It's your prerogative to quit, but I'm missing a lot of details here to give you any meaningful advice. Y…
/r/seduction09/07/18 05:19 PM
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Man, that sounds super awesome, it really does. And I'm glad you were able to make that happen. I did something similar about 3 years ago with self improvement. Lost a lot of weight, went in on the gym/dieting/grooming/clothes, found a career and just turned my life around. While all that I owe to del improvement and what I have today, none of it has any affect on making me more attractive to women than when I started. And given how I have no experience with women and I'm at an older age now, I'…
/r/seduction09/07/18 04:59 PM
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I was never really jealous of anyone, when I was 23 I just started wondering what was so wrong about me that women didn't like? So I started focusing on self improvement. And ended up pretty much creating my life as I have it now and I couldn't be any more proud of myself. While I consider that a success for me, it's still a failure considering the point of said improvement was to be more attractive to women but obviously I failed at that. Unfortunately what I got is just not what women look for…
/r/seduction09/07/18 04:46 PM
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I spent the majority of the past 3 years focusing on improving who I am in hopes of coming out the other end maybe more desirable to women. I ended up finding out that while those efforts didn't have any correlation to compensating for my lack of good looks but I did manage to turn my life around and to this day seeing the effects of that in how it affects my daily life and my future. So at least I got that out it lol. This year my goal was to kiss a woman for the first time, then I lowered that…
/r/seduction09/07/18 04:41 PM
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I pretty much went on a journey to do what you listed about 3 years ago. So far I've lost about 80lbs, been working out since then, became completely independent. Pretty much turned my whole life around mostly in search for improving myself is that one day of be good looking enough to go on a date someday. But unfortunately none of that seemed to have any correlation to making me any more or less attractive to women. So while I initially set out to be better to be at a level where women would co…
/r/seduction09/07/18 03:53 PM
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Damn, what you describe is what I wanted to do when I was younger. Unfortunately I never got the chance to experience any of that but it's always awesome to hear you guy's stories of getting women to kinda know what it's like you know.
/r/seduction09/07/18 03:44 PM
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That's kinda what I began searching for about 3 years ago when I started self improvement. Part of my plan was to read pua and seek advice from men who have experience. Unfortunately I never found it and at the moment wondering if it even exists for me given my age and all I've done to try an improve myself. What is insightful is reading everyone else's experiences (past or present) and kinda living vicariously through you guys and I can feel less crappy about it lol.
/r/seduction09/07/18 03:40 PM
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Just got your messages. I'll try and check him out. Although if he's considered ugly then I'm more screwed than I actually thought. I think that's the toughest part of looking for pua content is looking for somebody who isn't good looking or someone who caters towards unattractive looking men. Kinda hard for me to relate or understand the point of reference that they tall about at all as a non attractive guy myself.
/r/seduction09/07/18 03:35 PM
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I don't want you to misinterpret my post as giving up on girls or living a life without women. I mostly get what you're saying. It's just that my situation is definitely different in the fact that I've never been able to do anything with women before, not in a romantic sense anyway. And considering my age, I think I should start weighing my options on what I should focus on. So I thought your post was topical for me. I don't think think men can truly live a full life without regular interaction …
/r/seduction09/07/18 03:26 PM
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Very well said and laid out. I never really came here to try and have sex with one women in particular. I mostly came here to see if anyone would have any advice for a non attractive looking guy like myself to try and at least go on a date for the first time? But you mentioned something that I've been thinking about lateley, and that thing is that crossroads where you start you think if it's just better to focus on your life than it is women. For a guy like me (at my older age) I'm starting to w…
/r/seduction09/07/18 01:10 PM
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! Look at women as just friends with potential benefits. What they want is be heard, understood and feel safe. Well, to be fair I don't know how else to see them other than as people. I've never been able to have a girlfriend or never had any woman consider me attractive looking or anything so I don't really have a reference so many people mean when they say treat them as friends, I treat everyone with general respect unless given a reason not to. You’ll have a girl soon I promise. Just make fri…
/r/seduction08/07/18 12:37 PM
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My prime is kinda gone and I never really had the opportunity to date or have a girlfriend or whatever, which feels kinda bad but at the same time I also understand that there are many other things in my life that I'm proud of and much more that I still wanna do. I enjoy reading the successes of other men who are at that level cause it's cool to imagine kinda what it's like to be attractive looking. I think at my point it's important to try and focus on the positives in my life rather than the n…
/r/seduction08/07/18 12:26 PM
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I probably will delete the tinder after this month cause I tried what my friend over PM said for a good while and never mamaged to got a match so I don't think I have the looks to be in tinder, or at least what women look for on tinder. He too told me what to say when I get a match, and that made me kinda excited to know that a woman would find me attractive enough to match, even if it's just tinder, but unfortunately that never happened. Yea, I've been counting macros and all that since about 3…
/r/seduction07/07/18 11:59 AM
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I've had men compliment me on my weight loss, muscles, hair/clothes but I've never had a woman consider me attractive before and definitely never noticed any of the work I've done for self improvement so I guess to women specifically I'm definitely considered ugly. Which is who I tried to attract in the first place so my self improvement was mostly a health/mental health thing in the end considering it didn't make me any more or less attractive to women in the end. So despite my best efforts I s…
/r/seduction07/07/18 11:16 AM
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I’m around your age, had afew years off dating and got back into it, I get it’s hard, that felt like I was starting from zero. I guess the big difference would be that I've never been able to do anything with a woman so I don't really have anything to go by. Jump on tinder and get some dates happening There's a guy on here who I've PMed with who had me use tinder to try and get a date at least. And that didn't go well at all unfortunately. Although I imagine because dating sites/apps like tinder…
/r/seduction07/07/18 11:03 AM
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I only mention age and lack of experience because I don't really think that a woman's ideal partner is someone who no experience at 26 you know? Well I've done a lot to try and compensate for how I look with losing about 80lbs (still need 22-25lbs to not be overweight) and lifting, grooming, clothes, etc but it still hasn't made me any more or less attractive looking than when I started unfortunately. But hey, I may not look any better but at least I feel 100x better and am healthier lol. I pers…
/r/seduction07/07/18 10:18 AM
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Most people that make videos or out material about their success as ugly guys are actually very attractive. It kinda makes the actual below average/unattractive guys like myself kinda dismiss their advice because it's obviously not geared towards actual not good looking men. In fact one of my issues in looking around for oye material is that the majority of it seems to be catered towards attractive or at least average looking men. There is pretty much no material for men who aren't attractive lo…
/r/seduction07/07/18 10:06 AM
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I honestly thought about making a post like this to get opinions because I myself am not really attractive at all but I do think this guy is a decent looking oerson. I honestly wish I looked like this guy.
/r/seduction07/07/18 10:03 AM
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This is what I've currently been doing, except I'm not really that attractive of a guy so I've avoided clubs and bars obviously due to that. But I've gone to friend's weddings/parties lately and have had fun seeing old high school friends again. Since then I've gotten a good job that's let me travel all while practicing self improvement focusing on things that I can control such as weight, lifting, grooming, clothes, hobbies etc. But unfortunately none of that has translated at all into women fi…
/r/seduction07/07/18 09:56 AM
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This is kinda what I started doing about 3 years ago when I started my self improvement. I picked up a lot of new hobbies and I stuck with the ones I enjoyed and where things I didn't know I would be into, more neutral things like cooking, health stuff including massage therapy stuff as you mentioned. I really wanted to travel but now I have a job that has me travel often to the east coast where I've learned a lot of cool things about local areas or cultures. So while I've been told those things…
/r/seduction07/07/18 09:49 AM
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I'm in the same boat as the OP in terms of being 26 except I've never been able to go on a date before so he's ahead of me on that at least. Use that time to better yourself. Workout and grow interesting hobbies and be happy with yourself. Opportunities will start popping up at that point and you won't have to go searching as hard. About 3 years ago I decided to do just this and workout heavily. Lose weight and learn hobbies and skills that would help with not only my weight loss but also new th…
/r/seduction07/07/18 09:40 AM
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Yea, I'm in the same camp as the OP in terms of missing the curve as you say except I've never been able to go on a date before either so I've done less than that. I've thought about bars and clubs but I'm not a very attractive looking guy so I don't know if that would be a viable way for me to try but I've thought about it. But hearing advice from people really makes me think I most likely just missed the boat on the whole women/dating/sex thing as a man you know?
/r/seduction07/07/18 09:35 AM
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Don’t be afraid to not find love. Be comfortable being alone and you will find someone. Stop looking too hard. Keep living your life. Honestly, I’ve been dating chicks, and sometimes I’m just like : Why the fuck did I go for this shit, all it gave me is a heartbreak. In all honesty. I'm not afraid not never find love. The only thing that kinda bothers me is that I'm 26 (like OP) but unlike OP I've never been able to go on a date or even ever had any woman consider me attractive in any way. So af…
/r/seduction07/07/18 09:30 AM
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Comments like these are very bitter sweet for me honestly. I'm similar to the OP in the fact that I'm 26 as well except I've never been able to go on a date with a woman before. Given my age and never having been considered attractive by a woman before it really makes me wonder if I simply just missed the boat on the whole dating, sex and women thing. But it's awesome to hear stories like yourself to give hope for those like OP who are attractive looking enough to date to keep going.
/r/seduction07/07/18 09:22 AM
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Yea, it really sucks to hear people give it to us non attractive guys straight but I do appreciate honesty honestly. It's the main reason I began self improvement about 3 years ago. While I've made great improvements, I'm still not considered attractive to women but I do try to focus on what I can control.
/r/seduction07/07/18 09:18 AM
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Reasons of cannot get a date - Not attractive Being a 26 year old virgin myself I found I related to the OP and went to the comments for some advice that I could maybe use only to see this lol. Damn, I appreciate you for giving it straight though. It's just unfortunate.
/r/seduction07/07/18 09:11 AM
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That sucks to hear. I'm only 5'9 and not very good looking but I am doing everything I can to lose weight, work out and compensate. But as you said some guys are born attractive, it's a weird feeling knowing some guys are attractive to women and some guys just aren't. I've been trying to figure it out for a while.
/r/seduction04/07/18 11:58 AM
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Considering I've never been able to have sex or s girlfriend, etc. I don't know if I'd get bored of it exactly, but I take your word for it.. This is definitely something that I've thought about doing though, meeting people just to make friends and not think about dating at all. I mean considering my older age I feel like this would be a better way for me to just live a better social life rather than trying to date now. I may have failed at achieving sex or dating but maybe I can achieve having …
/r/seduction02/07/18 03:48 PM
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I see what you mean, it's most likely time I get off the pot honestly.
/r/seduction28/06/18 11:23 PM
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Just by chance would you happen to know any other good YouTube channels or websites/books that are geared towards inexperienced/unattractive men? I've seen a lot of fine channels and resources and I'll try and check yours our but I'm really trying to find one that can cater to unattractive men. Thanks for sharing!
/r/seduction28/06/18 05:53 AM
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I'm currently 26 years old and I'm not very good looking so imagine what I'm gonna look like when I get even older lol. Being unattractive to women and also aging isn't a good combination so I don't imagine that my future self is going to fare any better.
/r/seduction14/06/18 06:59 AM
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I only mention age because I'm 26 and never been able to have a woman be attracted to me in any way during that whole time so it's something to consider. Also I'm not a very good looking guy even when I was young so I'm sure that aging isn't going to help with that. Being unattractive and also getting old isn't a good combination lol.
/r/seduction13/06/18 09:23 PM
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I love who I am, I especially love what I've been able to become moreso I think. I had big dreams and I've achieved them. All on my own despite a lot of people praying for & counting on my failures. Mostly my family, not having support from your family is one thing I think but having them despise you from leaving them and actively wanting you to fail show who they are as people lol. But I think all things considered I've done very well for myself doing it on my own, I know I'll always love mysel…
/r/seduction13/06/18 09:21 PM
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You want to know how much you can accomplish? Go out and try to accomplish what you want to get done. I have adopted something similar to this mindset in other aspects of my life where I set out my goals. Unfortunately the big difference is that those aspects didn't have a requirement of being approved by other people you know? At least not in a romantic sense. If dating were like working out where it's up to you to get results then I think I'd do just fine, but considering it's more so women be…
/r/seduction13/06/18 09:16 PM
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Well yes, compliments are always good to throw out. But I've always done that with people as a good gesture, not only because it's always fun to compliment someone on something that they obviously put time into preparing or picking out but also because it's always a good way to put a smile on someone's face. Which is never a negative for me. I do agree that holding a door open and giving a compliment are two different forms of communicating respect vs. attention. So I messed up there on that ana…
/r/seduction13/06/18 09:10 PM
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So it sounds like you're on the right track there but maybe not working hard enough (or for long enough) if you say it's "nothing special" yet. No it's nothing special at all. I've just been focused on strength training, losing weight and building muscle for those past 2 years consistently. It's not special, I certainly don't look like a bodybuilder or anything or have huge muscles so it's not really worth mentioning at all. It's mostly personal goals and toning for weight loss. I do plan to kee…
/r/seduction13/06/18 09:03 PM
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Well during my life I've never really had a woman attracted to me before which sucks but depends on what statistics you go by but it's never really happened to me unfortunately. There are a lot of aspects of myself that I've learned to accept and many more that I've learned to use for positive things and have fun with. I feel I've ok with where I came from compared to where I am now but obviously there are still aspects of me that I need to work on, and believe me that I am doing my best to cont…
/r/seduction12/06/18 11:27 PM
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About 3 years ago I decided to really focus hard on self improvement. I used to be obese but since then I've lost about 80lbs and have had to change my wardrobe twice. The good thing is each time I changed wardrobe it got better and fit more obviously. I have gained muscle but nothing special, I have gotten rid of my acne but I think that might be due in part of just having an exponentially better diet over the years. I feel I've hit a lot of my personal goals when it comes to the things that I …
/r/seduction12/06/18 11:19 PM
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Sure good looks do help like being physically fit. However personality also goes a long way. Being flirty with woman. Being confident goes a long way. Do you really think every guy is really that great looking? I am just an average looking guy. I have gotten a lot of dates. Yea, I'm not a very good looking guy so I don't know if I can speak on being attractive to women considering I've never had any woman be attracted to me before. I mean men who are going on dates are, be default, attractive be…
/r/seduction12/06/18 07:29 PM
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I didn't want you to think that I'm just arguing with you, I understand that you know what you're saying and I'm trying to just hear you out on what you mean to make it clear. I don't really see the point in arguing or being like that over the internet of all places where we don't even know each other, so I didn't see the reason in trying to escalate to be honest. I do take your advice into consideration but I also think you're most insulting at this point.
/r/seduction12/06/18 07:20 PM
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You say a lot of it doesn't really apply to your situation but what does that mean? If you are a guy and you are trying to get girls then it applies. It seems like you have just made up your mind that you have to be attractive for any of this to work so you never even tried. What I mostly mean is that a lot of the content that I've seen/read heavily relies on past experience or directly references any experience that you're already supposed to have. And obviously as I mentioned, I've never done …
/r/seduction12/06/18 07:08 PM
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I apologize if I came off that way, I didn't mean to be confrontational. I guess it's moreso the fact that after 26+ years you just start to question if I'll ever reach that level of other guys who are able to date and be attractive and all that. I just like to get different, more successful people's opinions on my situation. I understand that being my age and never being attractive to women is not something anyone can really relate to but I do like hearing about you guys' experiences and good t…
/r/seduction12/06/18 06:41 PM
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I honestly don't want to be a pussy. I've been thinking about therapy for a good while and I was interested that you said it considering I've been contemplating it. I think I've done a good job of focusing on what I can control such as diet, gym, grooming etc. To try and look more attractive.
/r/seduction12/06/18 12:23 PM
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While I could be wrong, somehow I don't think that any of those guys had no experience with women at my age. Also I think it's worth noting that I don't really look like any of the men that you named so I don't know if it's viable to compare me to really good looking men because I'm actually not very good looking at all to be quite honest so it's a very hard comparison there. I wasn't very good looking when I was young and I don't think aging is going to make that any better lol.
/r/seduction12/06/18 11:17 AM
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Just look as good as you can. Wear a dope suite and get a professional haircut. Then just act like you think you are super handsome. Im only average looking but I act like I'm a solid ten. For about the past 3 years I've done what I can to focus on myself in terms of self improvement. With dieting, gym, grooming, style, etc. I think I've done a good job of reaching my goals and while I still have some personal goals left I don't think I've really done much to make myself any more or less attract…
/r/seduction12/06/18 11:06 AM
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Well, I'm not very good looking for one so that's definitely a huge obstacle lol. I used to be obese for the majority of my life but I've lost about 80lbs of fat in the last 3yrs or so that I started self improvement. I am however still about 21-24lbs over my BMI weight so I gotta get that down to target. Most of my friends are from high school and are married and whatnot. I occasionally hang out with them. I haven't approached any girls this month. I've been busy traveling for work and am just …
/r/seduction12/06/18 05:42 AM
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I really enjoy seeing people crunch numbers on their experiences like you have, it's really awesome and intriguing honestly. Kinda crazy that you guys can get tons of numbers and dates and whatnot and I'm 26 but never had even one woman be attracted to me, let alone give me their number. So it just kinda puts into perspective of the guys who are at the level to be able to go on a date you know? I know it sounds bad on my part but I do like hearing about the experiences of better looking guys get…
/r/seduction12/06/18 04:11 AM
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Honest question, do you think I'm in the wrong for giving up given that I'm 26 without ever having a woman attracted to me? I know it sounds bad to 'give up', but I always saw it as just focusing on the positive things in my life that I have control over and enjoy as opposed to focusing on negative things like women, dating/sex, etc.
/r/seduction12/06/18 03:54 AM
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I'm definitely not stopping self improvement anytime soon. I just think after 26+ of women not liking me then I kinda need to either keep working on myself or just focus on more positive things in life. I haven't been successful in my early or my late 20s so it's definitely something that I'm thinking I might most likely just not cut out to do, the whole women/sex/relationships thing.
/r/seduction12/06/18 02:28 AM
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Well I'm mostly trying to see if you agree with therapy cause it's something that I've been considering a lot lately but I wonder of it's warranted or of I'm just being a baby. In terms of not being attractive, I've done a lot to lose weight and go to the gym for the past 2-3 years along with grooming and etc.
/r/seduction12/06/18 02:17 AM
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I mean, given that I'm 26 with no experience with women should probably give you a good idea of what I look like lol. But yea, I'm not very good looking but I have done my best to improve myself in the last 3 years to try and make myself a better person, but I know there are still improvements I need to make obviously. I guess if you were to see a picture of me you'd more understand where I'm coming from. As I mentioned I have considered therapy to try during my time off, but I wonder if just be…
/r/seduction12/06/18 01:48 AM
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I guess the issue is that I'm not really average looking so I fully understand that I have a lot of work to do to compensate for what I look like. I initially thought 2 years of consistent gym and good health probably would help but unfortunately it hasn't changed anything at all so while I have lost most of my obese weight and gained strength & just overall feel healthier, I'm not really any more or less attractive then when I started. I know there isn't much I can do about what I look like so …
/r/seduction12/06/18 01:40 AM
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I've looked into therapy before, I've been super busy with work lately but have been doing good stuff. Will the whole summer off in a few days though. Do you think being in my situation would constitute needing therapy? Genuine question because while I have thought about therapy, I don't know if just being unattractive to women would warrant therapy considering the issue is quite a simple one and not essential/necessary for living or anything you know? I have asked a girl out before, yes.
/r/seduction12/06/18 01:34 AM
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I didn't mean to write off what you said man, I was just explaining that I've never really had a woman fancy me or shown interest as you are mentioning. Maybe I have missed it but throughout my whole life but I think I'd know if any woman ever liked me a romantic way. Not sure what you'd consider ugly but I'm not a very good looking guy so I have done everything I can to compensate.
/r/seduction12/06/18 01:22 AM
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That's a really awesome story and glad that you can have that kind of self awareness to know that you felt complacent and the need to act on it all at the same time, not many people can say they've ever done that probabaly. Maybe when I was young I could have used some of this but I'm well past the whole women/sex thing but I honestly do love reading about these kinds of stories and hearing your successes, even the o e about last night, just so I can kinda know what it feels like to be able to b…
/r/seduction12/06/18 12:32 AM
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I guess I'm only going by my age/lack of any experience at all. Going 26+ years without any women finding you attractive you kinda get the memo that you need to change right? I've done my best to change myself about 3 years ago and still reaching personal goals today but I'm probably not close to compensating for my looks so either I have way more work to do or I'm most likely just not cut out for the whole women/sex thing. I still like to work on myself mostly for my personal health and well be…
/r/seduction12/06/18 12:25 AM
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I've read a lot of self help and seduction books before and none of them have really said anything that wasn't already well known among what people say around here & I've been left underwhelmed with most information and how it's shared. One thing I've always looked for is if there ever has been any teacher or book/article/video catered to not attractive men? I don't I've ever seen something like that out of everything I've looked for and maybe that's just a demographic that they can't sell to or…
/r/seduction12/06/18 12:20 AM
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I started going to the gym regularly about 2 years ago when I began to focus a lot on self improvement. It has helped me in weight loss and building muscle not to mention overall feeling better but unfortunately it hasn't really done anything for my appearance considering I'm not any more or less attractive than when I began. I've never danced before and don't really know how to so going ballroom dancing probably isn't a viable idea. Yea, I'm about to be 30 soon so I guess I can't say I was any …
/r/seduction12/06/18 12:16 AM
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Well I've never really had any signs of attraction from women before. And yes, I've done my best to lose a lot of weight in the past 3 years or so and while I have reached many goals I'm still about 21-24lbs above my BMI so that's something I still need to handle. I've done a lot of self improvement stuff including style and grooming, etc. Unfortunately none of that has made me any more or less attractive to women so I most likely still have more work to do on my end if I want to reach that leve…
/r/seduction11/06/18 11:30 PM
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That sounds really awesome man, I honestly do like hearing about other men's stories and experiences with women that can help kinda know what it's like. Such as you being able to binge, etc, it all sounds super cool. But no, I've never had any woman attracted to me before so I wouldn't be able to tell you what that's like.
/r/seduction11/06/18 09:56 PM
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Yea, it's definitely a negative aspect of my life but it is what it is, I try not to focus on it too much considering my situation. That's why I like reading you guys' experiences so I can kinda know what it's all like to be with women, etc. I spent majority of my life obese until just a few years ago. I'm still about 21-24lbs overweight but I'm much healthier now losing about 80lbs or so but unfortunately it hasn't made me any more or less attractive then when I was obese, so I'm more focused o…
/r/seduction11/06/18 09:47 PM
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That's what I'm most worried about. I'm about to be 30 with no experience so I don't know how much time I really have considering I'm aging and whatnot. I imagine that the 40 something guys probably had tons of experience going into their 30s to be attractive enough to still be good looking at that age. I'm mostly posting cause I like to hear about other guys' experiences and thank/encourage them to share because I like to read what other guys are able to do you know? I don't really need the pit…
/r/seduction11/06/18 09:40 PM
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I'm definitely not very attractive and I'm sure me aging isn't helping lol. If I'm unattractive now I don't even wanna know what I'm gonna look like in my 30s. But that's awesome man, as I mentioned I do like hearing the success of other men who are at that level & attracting women/having a great love life. It sucks to be in my situation but at least I can hear/read of other guys having the experiences right?
/r/seduction11/06/18 05:49 PM
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Well the things that I've focused on in my personal life have been more towards things like independence and ambitious goals that I'm working on now that will hopefully bear fruit in my future while helping me right now as well you know? None of that being stuff that really correlates to dating/women etc. Despite being reasons why I would personally date someone in my situation regardless of looks (mostly because I'm not so good looking myself) but obviously women think differently or I would ha…
/r/seduction11/06/18 05:36 PM
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I think the big difference is that I'm my older age and never been able to be attractive to any woman before so I don't know how viable that is to happen at this point given my situation. I was told to try online dating & I did try that this year with no avail. It didn't go so well so I don't think this year was very prolific, at least when it comes to women anyway. I have been working hard to focus on self improvement for the past 3 years or so, but I'm afraid I don't think I've done enough to …
/r/seduction11/06/18 05:17 PM
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Considering I'm 26 and about to be 27 in Feb. of next year with never being attractive to women, I don't think 26-29 was very ideal for me. At least not when it comes to women, in other aspects my life is definitely growing obviously like everyone else's.
/r/seduction11/06/18 05:12 PM
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I guess it's mostly because I've never had a woman be attracted to me in 26 years and I don't think that'll change anytime soon as I'm aging and technically not getting any younger/better looking. They may not know my lack of experience but I don't know what to do if one were to find out?
/r/seduction11/06/18 05:10 PM
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I guess it's more that in 26 years I've never had a woman be attracted to me before in my life so I don't know if it'll ever happen at this point considering my lack of experience and being past prime you know?
/r/seduction11/06/18 05:07 PM
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I guess it's difficult for women to find you attractive when you're not really attractive you know? That's what I've been trying to work on compensating for. I guess depending on your definition of deformed, I might fit that category. I used to be obese. Now I'm only overweight which I think is still a big part of my problem. I've lost 80lbs but the last bit seems really hard to target. I am overweight by 21-24lbs or so according to my BMI so yea, I do agree that it's something I need to have th…
/r/seduction11/06/18 05:04 PM
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Well I'm 26 now and about to be 27 in Feb. Of next year so I think it's safe to say that 26 definitely wasn't a prolific year for me lol. At least not with women anyways. I guess I'm glad that I at least tried online dating this year, but given what I look like, that didn't turn out so well But I was told to at least try it so I'm glad I did.
/r/seduction11/06/18 04:58 PM
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I post a lot because I find it fun to hear other guys' stories like yourselves succeeding and getting girls and whatnot & the community here is great and positive. Hearing/reading about you guys' experiences is cool to read from the perspective of an unattractive guy.
/r/seduction11/06/18 04:55 PM
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No, I've never been in a relationship or been able to date or any of that. I'm 26 now and I'll be 27 next Feb so I don't think this year was anything special lol, well not in terms of women anyway. Earlier this year I tried online dating for the first time and that didn't go so well, I didn't think that pictures were a viable way to try and date considerig what I look like but I was told to give it a try anyways.
/r/seduction11/06/18 04:51 PM
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Ah well I've never had any woman be attracted to me before so I think by this point I've kinda missed out in it you know?
/r/seduction11/06/18 04:47 PM
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I believe I would date a person like me. I know who I am and what I have to offer and that I'm a valuable person, but obviously those aren't't things that apply to seduction or dating or any of that. I'm not really a good looking guy which is really the issue but I honestly don't judge on looks. Mostly because I'm not so good looking myself but obviously women don't think the same way.
/r/seduction11/06/18 08:06 AM
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That's fine though considering you're attractive enough for dates and sex, etc. I only mention my age cause I've never had any woman attracted to me before and now I've kinda missed the boat given my experience or lack thereof. But I do enjoy hearing about other guys having experiences that I never got to have you know?
/r/seduction11/06/18 07:52 AM
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That sounds really out there and different from what's usually posted. I'm 26 now so i'm definitely way past the whole women/sex thing and I never got the opportunity to date but I honestly do love hearing other's experiences with women such as yours, cool to hear others be successful at least right? Thanks for sharing!
/r/seduction11/06/18 07:47 AM
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I just looked it up, seems interesting but the course is about $3k and I've sent them an email regarding what that entails exactly. I don't mind the price but I figure if that's something that can help me then maybe it's worth looking into, then again I'm not very good looking so I don't know if even a program like that can really change anything.
/r/seduction11/06/18 07:42 AM
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I wouldn't mind giving it another try and maybe trying again but I'm 26 now and kinda past that phase unfortunately. Never got to do anything romantic or whatever with women but it's fun to hear and read about other's experiences.
/r/seduction10/06/18 07:49 PM
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The rsd stuff that I've seen before seems like it's not really taking into account men who aren't good looking enough to do those things. While I do think it could be solid advice for good looking guys, I've yet to see any real advice that would help out or apply to men who aren't attractive to women.
/r/seduction10/06/18 04:24 PM
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I've tried looking at rsd stiff befofe but I don't really think any of it applies to me. I'm still looking around for some kind of alternative that can apply to guy who aren't attractive.
/r/seduction10/06/18 08:35 AM
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Really cool to hear that it applied to you and you were able to make it work. I've seen some rsd stuff before but none of it really applies to me unfortunately. I kinda wish someone would make rsd type stuff for guys who aren't good looking.
/r/seduction10/06/18 08:33 AM
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I've never had any woman ever give a hint towards romance before, let alone tons. I'm 26 now so I'm well past that dating and sex phase but none of that ever really happened to me before.
/r/seduction10/06/18 08:28 AM
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I guess those are good odds to hear. Unfortunately I've never met any of those 75 million.
/r/seduction04/06/18 01:58 PM
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That's cool to hear too. I'm not a very good looking guy so I don't know if I'm at that level to date or anything but it's always fun to hear about other's experiences.
/r/seduction02/06/18 08:47 AM
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I'm a 26 year old virgin as well, so it really sucks to hear what ended up of your similar friend. I guess it'a good to know I'm not the only one that isn't cut out for women/dating etc. Thanks for sharing.
/r/seduction01/06/18 09:18 AM
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Well my dad was a pretty handsome man, at least I think so. I can see why someone would find him attractive to be honest. That's really what I'm working on, is making myself as attractive as I can and keep going and hope that some day I'll be at that level where women can find me attractive hopefully, but as I mentioned I'm 26 now so I've kinda missed out on the whole women and dating thing but I still feel I should do my best to work on myself anyway.
/r/seduction28/04/18 02:17 AM
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From my experience I've never really had a woman show interest in me, at least not in a romantic way or anything. So I don't think I've missed that so I'm not sure if that advice applies to me but it's something I didn't know so I'll take note of it nonetheless. I don't know if I have zero chance but I have done what I can to work on myself and help myself look more attractive in hopes that I'll be at that level some day, but as I mentioned I'm 26 so I only wonder if I'm past that phase of my li…
/r/seduction28/04/18 01:28 AM
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How the hell would you know? My guess is that you wouldn't even recognize an IOI because you don't believe it could even apply to you. Well mostly due to the fact that I've never met or known any woman who ever found me attractive in that way before. What do you mean by IOI? ...up until now or a few years from now maybe...? What do you mean by this exactly? What I was trying to say is that I've never done anything romantic with a woman before.
/r/seduction28/04/18 12:40 AM
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Really great advice, and thanks for sharing. I personally started self improvement and pursuing a business opportunity about 3 years ago now and I'm finally at a point where I am completely independent and am very happy/proud of myself. So while being happy and improving yourself does feel great, I don't know if this works for everyone though considering that even thought my life has changed and how I feel has changed I still haven't been considered attractive by any woman yet in my life so I pr…
/r/seduction27/04/18 06:06 AM
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I never went to college but I'm 26 now so I'm way past the sex/dating phase unfortunately and I've never had the opportunity to go on a date or any of that stuff. I don't personally feel bitter about it mostly considering I'm not that good looking I don't think actually attending college would have changed much. I mostly just feel bad because I missed out on all the dating/sex part that everyone else got a chance to begin and I missed the boat so to speak.
/r/seduction20/04/18 04:48 AM
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Never had the lock eyes thing happen before. In terms of saying hello it's been more in a professional sense, like if it's their job to greet people or just at work. Compliments to my body? Not by women no. No prolonged stares. I've never had a woman act flirty towards me, no. No, unfortunately none of those things have ever happened. And I'm not very good looking; I'm about average. Well I'm definitely below average in looks for sure. I do work on what I can control such as diet, lifting freque…
/r/seduction12/04/18 03:04 AM
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Well, I'm 26 and never had a woman like me in that way before so no, unfortunately there's never been a woman who's found me attractive before, if it had happenened before I'd be able to tell you and I'd be able to work with that and see what went right. But considering it hasn't happened I think I need to work on myself to try and meet at least one woman's standards, until then I have to keep improving and making myself a better version of me I can be in order to compensate for how I look.
/r/seduction10/04/18 08:20 AM
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I see what you mean. you've achieved that, even if you can't see it yourself yet. Whats makes you say that given how you haven't even seen what I look like. And given how I'm still unattractive to women I don't think I've acheived my goal yet. Is there anything I can help out with? I want to help you succeed. Hey, I seriously appreciate your help and advice, but right now it's up to me to keep improving, to focus on what I have control over, keep losing weight, keep lifting and muster up the cou…
/r/seduction10/04/18 08:14 AM
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Well I'm definitely way below average on look on that end so I might be in that irredeemably bad looking area that you're talking about. I do what I can to compensate, focus on the things I can control but I've never had a woman attracted to me before in my life so I think I still a lot more work to do on my appearance to compensate for being so below average in looks.
/r/seduction10/04/18 05:17 AM
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Please please please though - you are good enough, even if you don't believe it. I'm trying my best to improve. I don't want to believe that I'm unattractive but it's been 26 and not one woman has ever found me attractive before so at one point you start to think that there needs to be a change. I have to do something in order to change what I look like to improve on what I can. All sorts of guys find women, and you sound to me like you're already ahead of a lot of them, even if you still see yo…
/r/seduction10/04/18 04:20 AM
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Getting older doesn't mean you look less attractive I'm definitely in better health and shape right now but people always say you're in your prime when you're young and best looking when you're young and I wasn't very good looking when I was young either so I don't think aging will help me when it comes to being attractive. Nothing trivial about getting your own place, I'm still renting, and a little jealous. That was my one goal when I left my parent's, was to actually own a home. I left asap a…
/r/seduction10/04/18 01:36 AM
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Dating actually gets easier as you get older, for guys at least. I wouldn't know if it gets easier but I've never had the opportunity to go on a date before, and I feel like because I'm getting older/aging, I'm most likely looking less and less attractive by the day. It sucks that you have to figure out dating now instead of when everyone was learning in their teens That I'm sure is the single biggest obstacle for me at the moment. I don't know if that is surmountable at my stage in life, but th…
/r/seduction09/04/18 12:27 PM
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I had a quick stalk of your history. Sounds like you came from a bad place and are doing great. I'm seriously impressed you lost 210lbs Thanks, I was obese for a long time until I decided to take control of my health. I'm going back up in weight now but have less fat, doctor says it's mostly muscle and how muscle weighs more than fat, etc. But I don't think I have enough muscle to really affect my body weight but I could be wrong. I could get braces, but I think my issue is mostly the shape of m…
/r/seduction09/04/18 08:57 AM
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I get ya. I'm mostly looking for any advice or help for guys who are unattractive to women as I'm kinda in that boat.
/r/seduction09/04/18 07:59 AM
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I just don't think a person cam qualify as 'ugly' if women find them attractive. Maybe ugly to other men but if that person is attractive to women then I'm sure he cannot be considered ugly simply by definition. It seems like it's a fixed belief in your head that you are ugly and that women don't like ugly men. I don't know if this is a personal belief though. I think it's kind of common knowledge that women aren't attracted to unattractive men? I judge mostly by what women find attractive, and …
/r/seduction09/04/18 07:09 AM
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I figure if women like him then he must not have been that ugly to begin with. I'm talking more as in unattractive, as in guys women don't like.
/r/seduction09/04/18 05:43 AM
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Does any of this apply if you're not good looking? I've done my best to work out, lose weight and be as successful as possible professionally but unfortunately I'm not very good looking so I don't know if any of this even applies to me given my situation. Either way thanks for sharing.
/r/seduction09/04/18 05:01 AM
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Great video over all, but a bit disappointing to know that women do this with attractive men as I've never had any woman do any of these to me in my entire life lol. I am working on myself to be more attractive anyways so hopefully someday in the future this could happen one day. Thanks for posting.
/r/seduction18/02/18 02:56 AM
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One of the reasons I don't smile is because my teeth aren't really that good looking and in turn I look very odd smiling. Is there any alternative to smiling if you don't look good doing it?
/r/seduction18/02/18 02:52 AM
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I read the sub to read and learn advice that I think I could use to help when I'm done improving myself for the better. About 2-3 years ago I was in a bad place health wise and in life and I decided to fix that and I think I've done very well. So I'm on here to learn more considering I don't have experience with women and I don't really know what I'm doing. I've always been able to learn things by reading and understanding so I figure this is a good positive place to read.
/r/seduction30/11/17 10:19 PM
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Do you mean it? Like a pm?
/r/seduction30/11/17 10:17 PM
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I figured if you're actually ugly women simply wouldn't be attracted to you, hence why someone would be considered ugly no? I've never met someone who was attracted to me in that way so I wouldn't be able to tell you if I'm a 5 or whatever so I don't know if I even fall in your scale example.
/r/seduction30/11/17 10:13 PM
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Well it's mostly considering what women find attractive and the fact that I don't really resemble that you know? I am working on improving what I can to compensate but I figure I have more work to do on myself given the circumstances.
/r/seduction30/11/17 10:06 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not belittling or talking down your advice. I'm sure it's solid and it seems like you put time and thought into writing it all, I do trust you. I'm just mentioning that it's always tough to find advice that's considered applicable to less than average guys who aren't so good looking and all. Not a lot of material out there regarding that side from what I see. I know I have issues, with the being short and not attractive thing but that's why I've worked on myself for about…
/r/seduction30/11/17 10:01 PM
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I mean obviously I groom and whatnot, it's one of the things that I've worked on since starting self improvement a few years ago. But that doesn't mean that my face changes or I look different aside from say plastic surgery which is not something I'd be comfortable doing in all honesty. I mean I do my best but I don't really resemble what women consider attractive in men you know?
/r/seduction30/11/17 09:51 PM
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Compared to women yea I'm taller but it's men that I'm competing with not women no? I just went by you saying you were decent looking so I figure you must be if women find you attractive. I don't believe I'm in the same category as you based on the information you gave is what I was talking about. So I don't know if I should look into the advice given how it seems like on a whole other league in terms of attractiveness.
/r/seduction30/11/17 09:48 PM
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I'm sure being decent looking can compensate for height, but as I've mentioned I don't have either of them going for me. I'm short and not very good looking unfortunately so I'm out of options there.
/r/seduction30/11/17 09:44 PM
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I mean I've been going to the gym 2-3 times a week now for about 2 years since I started self improvement so I'm no longer overweight. But I'm far from your situation I presume. Personally I'm only 5"9 and I'm not so decent looking unfortunately. So what I meant was I don't really know if any of what you wrote is even applicable to a person like me given how I don't think we look remotely the same. Although I can tell you formatted it well so I do think you did a great job on that.
/r/seduction30/11/17 09:37 PM
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This comes from a 6 foot slim decent looking dude Yea, I don't think reading this will be applicable to me.
/r/seduction30/11/17 05:21 PM
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Well my goal is to at least go on a date with a girl at some point in my life. I don't really have any expectations or standards of what that person should be, is just like to experience it. But unfortunately I'm not very good looking so I have to keep working on myself to compensate for that o think.
/r/seduction19/10/17 01:18 AM
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I've been working out for about 2 and a half years now. I have built muscle and lost over 210lbs actually. When I started working out is when I started general self improvement on a lot of things. While they have been the best years of my life and I've never felt better it hasn't really made me any more or less attractive to women unfortunately. So I'm not sure if I'm cut out for dating and all that. So I either have a lot more work to do or I'm probably less attractive than I think I am. Hopefu…
/r/seduction17/10/17 03:45 AM
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What if you're not attractive enough to date?
/r/seduction17/10/17 03:27 AM
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I mean wouldn't you say that a guy who is 25 & never dated or done anything with a woman before would be considered not very attractive? I would figure after 25 I'd think there's be at least one or two women who would be attracted to me, but reality is a bit different. That's why I decided to work on my appearance and financial status as much as possible to compensate for below average looks in hopes that it would change my image but that hasn't worked out either, but fortunately it has improved…
/r/seduction01/10/17 06:24 AM
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My self esteem could always be better I feel, it's something I'm working on as well. From everything you've told me, it sounds like you just need to work on your game. Have you approached women, gotten numbers, went on dates, escalated, etc? I've never really had a woman find me attractive before so I've never had that opportunity to date or get a number, approach or any of that. It's the main reason why I seek advice and information in order to read up and study on what I'm doing wrong all whil…
/r/seduction01/10/17 02:01 AM
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While I think attractiveness is way more important that height it does suck to be short though. I'm 5'9 myself so I'm on the real short end so I'm sure that doesn't really help in why I'm unattractive. But being short is pretty bad apparently.
/r/seduction30/09/17 11:51 PM
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Well at the moment I'm focused on self improvement and making my everyday life better and improving my health, etc so I'm using the down time that I have to assess the issues that I may have in this department so I can see how it's negative given how I'm focused on addressing problems. Which is why I'm here to look for advice and understand what all I'm doing wrong so I always appreciate any and all help. While I have been working on self improvement for the last 2 years it's been a great succes…
/r/seduction30/09/17 11:44 PM
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He makes sense and it a honestly something that I think most if not all men already know. Attractiveness is crucial or elese how will a woman be attracted to you? So naturally the most attractive men will be the ones that women like. I thank you for linking that because the one big anecdote that I wasn't aware of was the part where he wrote that even unattractive or less than preferable women still go for the attractive looking men. This really sucks because I was always under the impression tha…
/r/seduction30/09/17 10:44 PM
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I've never really met a woman who was attracted to me so that's why I was considering online but given how I'm not really good looking I on't think it would be a good idea due to that. You say you know ugly men but would they really be considered ugly if they are already attractive looking to women? I mostly mean men who are not attractive to women like myself, I'm looking for options of there are any in my case
/r/seduction30/09/17 10:39 PM
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I think the deciding difference is that I'm not really average looking so I don't know if that's a viable idea?
/r/seduction30/09/17 10:34 PM
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Well I've never had the opportunity to go on a date before or do any of that stuff so I don't know if any of that is applicable to me in terms of real world. So I understand how online wouldn't help.
/r/seduction30/09/17 10:23 PM
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Stop insulting yourself. Stop including that in your comments, stop allowing those thoughts into your head. Not sure if I mean it as an insult, what I mostly mean is that I'm not attractive to women in comparison to other men is all. As I've never had a woman attracted to me before I figure that's a good indicator that I'm not really the most attractive person and I find it's something to work in rather than something to dwell on. I mention it in the comments because it's kind of a crucial/vital…
/r/seduction30/09/17 09:53 PM
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When I say not being viable I'm mostly talking about myself as I'm not really good looking so I don't think real life approach is viable in that sense, would online dating be better or worse or most likely the same given that I'm not attractive?
/r/seduction30/09/17 02:41 PM
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I've been thinking of making a tinder profile but I'm not really good looking, would it still be worth to make one?
/r/seduction30/09/17 02:25 PM
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Is there any advice you would give to a person who isnt realky good looking if online dating and real life approach isnt viable because of lack of good looks?
/r/seduction30/09/17 02:23 PM
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My question is that if you're not considered attractive by the tons of women who are looking at online dating how would it be different if at all in the real world? It's not like it magically changes how you look.
/r/seduction30/09/17 02:21 PM
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I think what he is saying is since women have the option to have better looking men via online dating and in real life in general how would a person that isn't good looking be able to have a chance in comparison to those other better looking men?
/r/seduction30/09/17 02:19 PM
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Is it still smart to look into game/seduction when you've never had a woman interested in you romantically? As in never had a gf or a date or anything like that? I figure if you don't have a foundation or missed out on that part of your life at that point trying to get into game or seduction would be kind of redundant no? When I started lifting and dieting 2 years ago I had to improve my clothes and grooming because I looked to different since then. But I found that it hasn't had any impact on w…
/r/seduction29/09/17 04:57 PM
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Well I've been working on myself for about 2 years going now. Lifting, dieting, grooming, clothes, financial status, etc. And while I have vastly improved my quality of life, not to mention my health, it hasn't really been correlated to women finding me attractive so either I have a lot more work to do in terms of fixing/compensating for my lack of good looks or I might have missed the boat due to my current age.
/r/seduction29/09/17 04:52 PM
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Sorry for the late response, been busy traveling for work. how do you know you're not attractive to woman? Mostly because I'm 25 now and I've never been found attractive by any woman I've met before, so I think that's a strong indicator that I'm not attractive looking and that I have to make a lot of changes to my appearance (which is what I've been doing full time for about 2 years now going on 3) I know women don't make the first move but they do find men attractive and show interest in people…
/r/seduction29/09/17 03:56 PM
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I've been lifting and dieting for about 2.5 years straight now and I'm still going strong because even though I've lost 190lbs I'm still technically 21lbs overweight. (using bmi) The reason I started is because I'm not really good looking like other men so I decided to focus on things I can change that are within my control. So what I think the video is trying to say that for men like myself who aren't attractive to women, we should work on ourselves before trying to qualify for approaching beca…
/r/seduction25/09/17 01:48 PM
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I don't know if I'm currently trying to be "maxed out" but I'm mostly trying to just go for 'acceptable' you know? Some guys aren't attractive to women and working on our appearance is all we can really do considering it's the only thing within our control. (Not counting facial surgery and stuff like that to fix bad looks)
/r/seduction25/09/17 01:43 PM
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Is there really a point to becoming approaching if women don't find you attractive? I think the video is saying that you should work on yourself and make yourself look the best that you can, which is what I'm currently doing right now. Getting to a target weight and lifting to improve myself to compensate for my lack of good looks.
/r/seduction25/09/17 01:41 PM
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I don't think I'm really attractive enough to be hitting on women out of the blue like that. But I am working on myself in all areas that o have control in. I haven't really shared my pic with anyone here really but I wouldn't mind pming it to you or someone who knows what they're talking about.
/r/seduction17/09/17 07:18 AM
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Well I've never met any woman who was attracted to me in that way so I haven't really missed it so to speak as it hasn't really happened yet. I'm not picky about women, I'd honestly just like to go on a date someday, I think that's a fair goal given what I look like and all. I've also been exercising, dieting and taking care of my financial status for about 2 years now going on 3. While it has changed my life for the better, unfortunately it hasn't made me any more or less attractive to women. I…
/r/seduction14/09/17 08:36 AM
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I think the point of the thread was that technically the whole 'descendant of badasses' thing stops with me given how I'm not really attractive to women and not having the opportunity to 'reproduce'. It's a very weird topic but I just took note of it because I wonder if it's true on my end.
/r/seduction14/09/17 08:32 AM
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I think it's ironic that my father, grandfather etc were really good looking and I'm not really good looking at all. It makes me think about the post that was on here not too long ago about how sexual reproduction is about passing on the best genes and some guys' genes are not desired by women so they may not get to have sex etc.
/r/seduction14/09/17 12:07 AM
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I'll take your word for it, I'm not very good looking so I'm open minded about finding a way around that given how I've never had a woman attracted to me before so looking or alternatives to dating and all that because of my lack of good looks.
/r/seduction13/09/17 11:46 PM
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I wasn't really saying that it works for sure. I've never had a woman be interested in me/attracted to me before so I figured it was at least worth looking into given that I'm not very good looking to begin with so I figured maybe screening women who are already not interested would be more fruitful, but I'll take your word for it cause I wouldn't be able to tell you otherwise to be fair.
/r/seduction13/09/17 11:44 PM
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As a guy who can't dance and isn't very good looking i don't think this advice is applicable to be honest but I see what you mean. What op is trying to do is screen women who are not interested in him by directly asking, the ones who refuse are not attracted so it would be easier to find the ones that are. Don't know if it works like that but it's something that could work for not good looking men like myself.
/r/seduction13/09/17 02:57 AM
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The only girls that would be scared off are the ones that don't find him attractive to even do it so wouldn't this be the perfect way to screen the ones that don't like him?
/r/seduction13/09/17 02:52 AM
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Well I've never had the opportunity to experience it. Don't know if I'm good looking enough to try and date but I'm also on the older side at 25 so don't know if it's too late at this point.
/r/seduction24/08/17 11:24 PM
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Very good read, and thanks for sharing. I'm not really good looking so I doubt any of this even applies to me but it's always fun reading about success, thanks again.
/r/seduction24/08/17 04:32 PM
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What about a person who has never had opportunities? Would it be co soldered ok to do this at a brothel as an option?
/r/seduction24/08/17 04:29 PM
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I think he means if you're already attractive to women.
/r/seduction24/08/17 04:25 PM
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I think what op is saying is that you should not invade a woman's space when you're not welcome.
/r/seduction10/08/17 11:07 AM
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Attraction isn't solely based on looks with women. Those guys proved it. Is there a link with more information on what you're talking about? Or are you talking about a theoretical 'group of guys' who proved it and such? You can develop as a person and be attractive based on other merits. That's what I've been working on honestly, I know I'm not really good looking so I'm focusing on every other aspect of my life to improve and when it comes to physical appearance I only focus on what I can contr…
/r/seduction21/07/17 08:37 PM
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Well what I'm honestly wondering is for men like myself who aren't really good looking is pickup or all the advice given even applicable? Also I just turned 25 so I don't even know if it's applicable given my older age you know?
/r/seduction21/07/17 08:25 PM
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I actually do read your blogs on your website as I've mentioned before, they are pretty insightful to your mindset and I do enjoy your website. And when they share their pictures, their looks obviously aren’t the problem. What are the problems here? I don't believe I've shared a picture of myself with you but I think if I have you'd have a better understand of what I mean because I don't we have the same definition of attractive you know? You are good looking enough! You are ENOUGH! Enough to re…
/r/seduction21/07/17 08:20 PM
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they blame all their failures on their looks and refuse to even try to improve themselves and develop attractive personalities. I realized this when I was 23 that I needed to improve myself and do everything that I can to become a better person. As I mentioned I improved my life and lost a ton of weight with diet, lifting, and activities and am now in the best shape of my life. I've done a ton of stuff to improve my financial status and have a career that I like to do everyday. I'm now 25 and wh…
/r/seduction21/07/17 08:06 PM
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The whole community proved that over 10 years ago. Tens of thousands is the sample size here. Not one guy. By one guy I mean that just because a certain person is considered attractive by women doesn't mean someone else will too you know? That would assume that all men look attractive to women. But if I misunderstood and you're talking about a large study or tens of thousands do you have a link to the study? A lot of ugly ugly guys have learned game and consistently pull 10's It really comes dow…
/r/seduction21/07/17 07:59 PM
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How would you know if you're ready though? When I was 23 I realized that I never really had a woman be attracted to me before so I decided to change myself and improve who I was as a person. I'm 25 now and I've lost about 112lbs through diet, lifting and activities, have done everything in my power to become independent and improved my life to the best point that it's ever been. Unfortunately I'm still not really considered attractive by women so I don't know if it means that I'm still not ready…
/r/seduction21/07/17 07:44 PM
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What are the rules of this if you aren't considered attractive by women? Or aren't very good looking given how it's primarily based on looks?
/r/seduction21/07/17 07:37 PM
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The looks question has been solved a long time ago. Well I think you should understand that some men aren't very good looking to begin with and aren't really considered attractive by women. I'm not very good looking myself so I can tell you that there are men like that who exist.
/r/seduction21/07/17 07:30 PM
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You don't need to be pre qualified to go up to a beautiful woman and start a conversation either. Well you have to meet women's minimum standards if you want them to talk to you back. If you try to play Joe Satriani's songs right off the rip with no experience, you are going to eat shit immediately. I think the key difference that I was referring to is the fact that you have an infinite number of tries to learn the song. You can fail 1000 times but still keep going, there is no penalty or limite…
/r/seduction21/07/17 07:27 PM
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Well the big difference is that unlike riding a bike or playing an instrument you don't need to be pre qualified to do it, you can just start whenever you want. I've never had a woman attracted to me before so it's not like I can just start as if you're learning an instrument. When I learned guitar it's becausebthe guitar is right there and the guitar can't reject you and say no you can't play you know? Some men aren't very good looking so they don't really have the opportunity to talk to women …
/r/seduction21/07/17 05:48 AM
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I'm 25 now so I'm past this phase but I wish I could have learned sooner like you did. Congrats on the success and keep going bud.
/r/seduction21/07/17 05:45 AM
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I can't really dance all that well and not very good looking so I don't think that dancing or banking on being physically attractive in that way would be a smart idea to invest time into on my end. But good advice for anyone else not in the same situation I think.
/r/seduction21/07/17 05:44 AM
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I think I've mentioned here before my height and weight so you'd know that I'm pretty short myself and technically overweight according to my BMI. But I am working on that though. I mean I've never really had an IOI in my life before so I'm not exactly sure what makes you say that it's universal, but I'll trust you on it, I just don't know your basis for saying so as a fact. I am shorter than you, more overweight than you, balding and older...and I do well because I spent years working on my gam…
/r/seduction16/07/17 04:26 PM
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If you don't mind me asking, how would you be able to say that my looks aren't the issue if you don't know what I look like?
/r/seduction15/07/17 11:34 PM
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Well I mean looks wise I am considered less than average, I can show you pics if you need to. Initiate a conversation would be that hard but I don't think that's the issue.
/r/seduction15/07/17 02:06 PM
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Well I'm short too at 5'9 and about 15-21lbs over my BMI weight that I should be (I'm still working on losing it but I've lost about 110lbs so far and targeting those last lbs are proving to be difficult but I'm trying). I believe I've put in a lot of work to change myself for the better in pretty much every way but that really hasn't helped me with women so I'm mostly still going because it makes me feel good and helps my overall quality of life. I only mentioned the book and advice because I h…
/r/seduction15/07/17 02:05 AM
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Unless you're horribly disfigured in some freak accident or genetic disfigurement Most guys can look "attractive." Well I'm not really good looking myself and I've never been considered attractive by a woman before so I'm not sure if most guys can look attractive as you say. There is a percentage that I'm in where some guys are not attractive to women really. We're not women. We're not defined entirely by our looks. Unfortunately not looking attractive means women won't really be attracted to yo…
/r/seduction15/07/17 01:34 AM
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Ok, I see what you mean by IOI, I don't think I've ever had happen those before. I've read a few books from PUAs here and none of them have really mentioned anything I'm not already aware of or for the most part it feels like I'm not the target audience for the books as a lot of the content doesn't seem yo be catered towards men who aren't very good looking so some of it doesn't even really apply. I feel there needs to be more books and information catered towards below average men who aren't at…
/r/seduction13/07/17 11:01 PM
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High school wasn't really easy for me for dating cause I wasn't really that good looking, I wasn't able to go to college so I missed that. I don't think my status has improved since then, well no more than other men's status. It only makes sense for women to want the more experienced partner but what makes you say they assume you have it? What do you mean by that exactly? Also if they don't ask about it sooner or later they would know that you have zero experience right?
/r/seduction13/07/17 10:52 PM
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I'm not sure if it was you or some other person who was advising people to use tinder and I was really close to creating a profile but once I saw that the app inquired pictures I don't think it would be smart for me to use pictures of me as a way to get women considering I'm not very good looking. I did consider tinder but I think even though you have had luck on tinder there are also guys like myself who aren't really attractive that tinder would not work very well.
/r/seduction13/07/17 09:55 PM
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What if you don't have a good smile or do not look good smiling?
/r/seduction13/07/17 09:52 PM
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Thanks for responding. Since everyone gets IOIs, What do you mean by IOI? and you say that you don't get interest, you probably don't know how to recognize it. If you mean interest from women then no I've never really had a woman attracted to me in that way before.
/r/seduction13/07/17 09:46 PM
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Are you sure it's early 30's? I only ask because I've seen younger men in high school who started dating and the big sex/women phase during their teens years and I wasn't able to go through that phase and being 25 I think I kinda missed it, it would be a bit too late for it to start now no? In comparison to most men wouldn't women want more sexual experience as they get older? I wasn't really good looking in my teen years so I don't know if aging is going to do me any favors as I'm 25 now and in…
/r/seduction13/07/17 09:43 PM
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I totally agree with the video, I'm not really the type of person to not take responsibility for my actions or my life. If anything I do everything that I can to focus on things that are within my control because I believe that stressing over things that I have no control over is pretty dumb and an easy way to become frustrated at things that don't need to be. His view of not making excuses is real and it's something that I learned early on from my family, I knew I was fat before so I took contr…
/r/seduction13/07/17 08:15 PM
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I apologize for responding like that, it's difficult for me to recognize limiting beliefs and what they cause as I've never really dated before or anything so I don't really know what I'm doing in that regard. I'm short myself at about 5'9, not really balding but my hair grows very fast so I have to keep it trimmed and styled right frequently, I'm currently about 16-20lbs over my BMI weight but I've lost about 110lbs since I started lifting and dieting about 2 years ago, I am older as well thoug…
/r/seduction13/07/17 01:29 AM
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Mid 30s? I'm not sure, I've always thought that the whole big dating, women and sex phase starts in your teen years. I've seen young men in their teens be considered attractive and have dated and girlfriends and all that so I'm not sure if it is in mid 30s. I didn't really go through that phase and given that I just turned 25 is it safe to think that I missed that phase in my life as it's kinda late for it to start anytime soon? For the past two years I've focused on nothing but improving myself…
/r/seduction13/07/17 12:36 AM
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Talking to people is no big deal really but talking to women is completely different when you're not considered attractive by women to begin with. The beliefs that I have are based on past experience or lack thereof, I'm not really just stating them.
/r/seduction13/07/17 12:16 AM
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I mean if I already missed the boat on women and all that and I wasn't qualified during my prime then what would change now? If anything if I figure my chances would be drastically less given that I've aged now since then and don't have any experience. This hierarchy post is pretty much all about how some men don't measure up to the rest and aren't considered by women and in turn being part of the percentage that aren't cut out for women and dating/sex etc. Reading this I wonder if that's the ca…
/r/seduction13/07/17 12:11 AM
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