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| 140 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up" | discussion | oncothrow | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/07/22 09:32 PM |
| 4 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up". | discussion | oncothrow | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/07/22 06:28 PM |
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| 29 | My "the convenience of not all men " theory is proven in these screenshots.What about the "2x as likely to survive"? How is this stated? This was actually analysed on this very subreddit by u/problem_redditor https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/pscqt5/critiquing_the_mikael_elinderoscar_erixson_study/ The upshot is that the suggestion men generally only looked out for themselves is a myth. The two key examples they give with no women survivors, one is where the women and children were evacuated first, and that lifeboat carrying them was destroyed in … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/03/25 12:19 PM |
| 4 | The reason why feminism is right-wing is not because feminists say mean things about men, it's because they don't believe in this one fundamental principle of the leftBut one cannot really claim feminism refuses environmental determinism. Quite the opposite: mainstream feminism is generally socio-constructivist to the extreme. To them, everything is the result of how society shapes us. This also means feminists generally strongly oppose the idea of gendered biological differences in behavior. The big irony being that the most hard-core feminists, whilst simultaneously believing that all the dynamics are socially constructed and cannot really be based from phy… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/09/24 11:30 AM |
| 3 | “Men commit more murders than women.”Are you kidding me? Every time MensLib comes up in the r feminism subreddit, it's basically castigated as MRA-lite, problematic and a wolf in sheep's clothing. I've seen the main mod of that subreddit post on r askfeminists and get downvoted into the floor for the most milquetoast statements saying the equivalent of "nobody denies women have it worse, but in this particular instance is it okay to say that boys might have issues too?" https://old.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/uyeix6/teen_boy… | /r/MensRights | 20/07/24 01:12 AM |
| 11 | Why are men turning to the right?I see much more "yes that is a problem, but it's more important that we address issues xyz first". The projection that you care about men's issues but no intention to ever actually get around to them. Net result is the same, surely? By definition, saying "that's not a real problem" is them saying "we've got other more important things to be looking at". But even if they say "it's a problem but not our priority", well all it means at the end of the day is just another way of saying "we're not goi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/24 03:43 AM |
| 28 | Why are men turning to the right?Actually I'd disagree there. The left also has simple answers, and until very recently when things have come to a head, the answer has been saying: "that's not a real problem." | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/06/24 11:27 PM |
| 8 | If we could talk about our stories, would it be way more commonThen they either say they’re sorry that happen but they won’t change their opinion despite being proven wrong or attempt to minimize it by saying it’s very rare Haha, yeah that's literally what happened there. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/24 11:06 AM |
| 21 | If we could talk about our stories, would it be way more commonI was just thinking about this actually. Someone raised a question of what do men possibly have to fear from women. So I recounted my own story from an abusive relationship. No lie, she accused me of deliberately trying to distract from the true issue of IPV against women and trying to "flip the script" on abuse. In an AskMens thread. https://old.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/13eokqe/in_your_opinion_what_is_the_most_stupid_and_wrong/jjr9o4s/ There is a strong and almost visceral reaction when we … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/24 09:02 AM |
| 8 | What I wish I’d known about suicide before my son diedIf kids were having heart attacks, we’d be teaching parents CPR. We need the same for suicide. I feel this is actually a valuable point to make. The suicide rate amongst teens is increasing the past few years: https://stateofchildhealth.rcpch.ac.uk/evidence/mental-health/suicide/ We teach parents all sorts of measures to protect their children from all sorts of increasingly outlandish scenarios and issues. But mental health and suicide seems to be largely untouched as a topic when it comes to in… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/05/24 05:59 AM |
| 2 | So why do feminists say that when men have problems, they should create their own movement, but then actually hate when we make our own movement?I'm not saying you can't. But realistically you need to have your own support and peer group before that point. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/24 06:07 AM |
| 28 | So why do feminists say that when men have problems, they should create their own movement, but then actually hate when we make our own movement?It's not even about "movements". Men are perceived to not have any legitimate issues, CERTAINLY not any that could in any way reference women. Like when you say "open up", there's recently been a growing sentiment and acknowledgement in places like AskMen today that men typically can't open up to women, it ends badly. Very badly, for a whole host of reasons. Now this might trigger some introspection if you hear enough people saying this. Hell, this is actually something that bell hooks herself w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/24 01:23 AM |
| 2 | My Son is a Domestic Violence VictimI wouldn't class him as dumb. He just cares a great deal, and doesn't have the experience to know that caring doesn't mean you should be sacrificing yourself on that alter. That his wants and needs are just as valid and deserve to to be seen and heard as well, not just pushed to the side always for others. To put it another way, if he was in a relationship with a genuinely caring and stable partner, that same attitude of his would serve him very well. As it is, he feels like he has to make every… | /r/MensRights | 03/02/24 08:29 PM |
| 4 | My Son is a Domestic Violence VictimAnd I wish all the best for your son. I hope he is able to move on. Speaking personally, a big part of my problem was simply that I was a massive people-pleaser. I would readily put others needs above my own (which can be a good trait for some people, but it also needs sensible limits). I. That role I felt that I was the only one that could "save" her from herself, and that if I just bore things out with enough patience, that if I just maintained my kindness in the face of her anger, that she wo… | /r/MensRights | 02/02/24 08:33 PM |
| 11 | My Son is a Domestic Violence VictimMy son had a very keen awareness that if he defended himself, he would likely be the one to go to jail. Despite the harsh circumstances, I will add that your son's self control is admirable, and if nothing else, you should be proud of how he held that line in the face of sheer assault and provocation. He kept his head during such intense situations, it's something few can do. When I was in an abusive relationship, my own therapist said the exact same thing: it didn't matter what she did to me, i… | /r/MensRights | 02/02/24 12:34 PM |
| 23 | The "Men need women more than women need men" trope is a strange onespecifically, the articles define the notion from statistics that men in marriages or relationships are happier than single men while single women are happier than women in marriages or relationships This is an oft repeated line across all of Reddit. It comes from one researcher who completely misunderstood the data he was reading to say what it wasn't. The reddit hivemnind then took it and ran with it to this very day. It was reported everywhere. And it's wrong. Vox even did a piece on it: http… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/24 04:26 PM |
| 11 | "Women's pain is always downplayed, misdiagnosed, and women receive less healthcare treatment than men."the main thing i see about "misogyny" is the insertion and removal of IUD without any pain medication when its apparently extremely painful and in other countries the idea of not doing sedation, much less giving ANY pain medicine, seems insane. Yeah? And who was pushing this idea?! https://www.cwluherstory.org/classic-feminist-writings-articles/myth-of-the-vaginal-orgasm For the longest time, feminist academia was that heterosexual sex was innately unfulfilling for women because women cannot fee… | /r/MensRights | 22/01/24 07:45 AM |
| 8 | Misandry annoys misogyny killsI'll add one Boko Haram and the Chibok schoolgirls kidnapping. Gigantic international media campaign ("bring back our girls") over the kidnapped schoolgirls. Massive outcry and sustained interest for years over what had happened. It was a tragedy. What fails to be mentioned is that this was a long running campaign by Boko Haram and before the abduction of 270 schoolgirls they had been kidnapping and straight up murdering schoolboys across the country for years, with basically zero media attentio… | /r/MensRights | 21/01/24 08:06 PM |
| 6 | I've tried to talk about being abused and how it's affected my identity as a man and most subreddits ban me. This is wrong. Men should not be forced to transition because they are not believed.“Kill all men but if a man wears a wig and chops his man parts off, he’s now a woman and oppressed and needs to be protected.” This is completely false. The vast majority never undergo bottom surgery. | /r/MensRights | 12/01/24 09:50 PM |
| 15 | It is sad when showing affection to your male children is treated as something inappropriate. This is also a reason why solution to male problems cannot come from the right wingThe whole "affection = gay" thing is a relatively modern construction, even amongst religious people. I'm pretty sure in most of Christian history it was understood that Jesus kissed people as a sign of affection. Isn't he even meant to have washed the feet of his disciples as a show of affection? Like history is full of tales and poems of knights and warriors weeping openly for loss, and of bonds of kinship and brotherhood that were as tight or tighter than literal blood relations. It's strange… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/01/24 02:55 AM |
| 5 | "UK army special forces had policy of EXECUTING MALES where they posed NO threat, in Afghanistan" ZERO outrage or headlines or questions for politicians as a result. If they were female?https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/glasgow-afghanistan-mod-royal-courts-of-justice-government-b1112240.html And let's be clear, these allegations (and others) have been present for a while. These specific allegations and the build up to the enquiry were being reported on last year. | /r/MensRights | 10/10/23 05:52 AM |
| 6 | "UK army special forces had policy of EXECUTING MALES where they posed NO threat, in Afghanistan" ZERO outrage or headlines or questions for politicians as a result. If they were female?there would be neither opportunity nor motive for foreign troops stationed there to do this I mean, it's Iraq but: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings It's also fairly well known that Blackwater troops did some horrible crap and were saved from prison by the Bush administration. Obama continued with the policy of not prosecuting where possible. And Trump pardoned what few that were prosecuted. It's not exactly unknown for Blackwater and similar groups to have been largel… | /r/MensRights | 10/10/23 05:46 AM |
| 8 | This one out-of-context "need" to have a man-hate moment ruined an entire game for me.Warhammer 40K doesn't view women as inferior to men. The Imperial Guard is an equal opportunity employer. They don't care about your sex, so long as you can be one more body that can hold a flashlight and run headfirst into the meat grinder that is the universe at war. They don't become Space Marines, but rather they have their own organisation and are quite literally just as xenophobic and fascist as the Space Marines. https://youtube.com/watch?v=B9V0bOB8sXQ EDIT: Actually the just recently sta… | /r/MensRights | 23/09/23 08:26 AM |
| 14 | Father's don't want custody?There’s a difference between not fighting for something you can’t get and not wanting it. This is a key point, it's called preselection bias. As in you won't be included in the statistics for fighting for custody if you don't even make it to the custody battle. If the legal advice you're receiving is basically telling you "you can fight for it, but they won't side with you" then you're unlikely to even make it to the start line. Doubly so given just how expensive and how long a protracted custod… | /r/MensRights | 21/09/23 03:34 PM |
| 13 | Gents, are your orgasms Feminist enough.Old timers may also remember: "The Myth of the Vaginal Orgasm" (Anne Koedt, 1970). It was a seminal feminist work that clearly illustrated for all that there is no such thing as an internal, vaginal orgasm. All orgasms were clitoral in nature and that the so-called "vaginal" orgasm was merely a tool pressed as a means of controlling women. Men are fearful that without the so-called "vaginal" orgasm, it means that the core action of heterosexual sex (vaginal penetration) is meaningless as a means… | /r/MensRights | 18/09/23 06:53 AM |
| 20 | Apparently only mentoring boys is sexist nowI dare you to ban me from this subreddit because I support women’s rights. I told you this, the females in the family mentoring the girls is absolutely justified. How tf is this crap? How is supporting women’s rights crap? Tell me about it. Nobody here is fighting against women's rights. The first and ONLY person to bring up what OP was doing in mentoring boys and tying it to women's rights is you. I need you to explain how. | /r/MensRights | 17/09/23 12:15 PM |
| 14 | Apparently only mentoring boys is sexist nowNo let him stay. I'd like to hear his perspective. That whole thread was an insane mind-melt, I literally never expected the responses he got. Because like I posted elsewhere, the OP literally addressed all the issues that these boys are suffering from, and is shouldering the responsibility himself. OP was tackling all the stuff that reddit constantly yells that boys are being held back by, and not making any woman take that responsibility for him. This is literally the kind of thing that the Hi… | /r/MensRights | 17/09/23 12:11 PM |
| 27 | Apparently only mentoring boys is sexist nowWish I could respond and give her mad props for her insight from an actually thought through feminist perspective (as opposed to simply immediately reacting) about how boys having their own space to learn and grow is valuable for them. But the mods locked the thread. It's insane. | /r/MensRights | 17/09/23 12:05 PM |
| 2 | Apparently only mentoring boys is sexist nowFor a long time now, years, we've been hearing about how: Boys are failing in school Boys are suffering mental health issues Boys are lacking in role models and falling to bad influences like Andrew Tate Boys have no safe spaces of their own. These two have created a safe space for the boys in his family, where they can learn and grow and be supported. This is literally the solution that everyone is saying must be done. So I guess the question I have for you is: Should boys NOT have their own sp… | /r/MensRights | 17/09/23 12:03 PM |
| 157 | Apparently only mentoring boys is sexist nowThere was one response in that thread that came from an actual teacher, and what she effectively said was "THANK YOU!". Because she stated point blank boys are out there falling behind and without role models, and he is literally stepping up, providing a safe space, and giving them the mentorship and help they sorely needed. It was such a bizarre thread to observe. In "reddit" terms he did literally everything right, he addressed every issue that men are always castigated over whenever the topic… | /r/MensRights | 17/09/23 11:57 AM |
| 3 | R/menslib feels like so weirdI wasn't even aware TrollYChromosome was a thing. But I'm unsurprised about the rest. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/09/23 07:20 PM |
| 3 | R/menslib feels like so weirdNot going to link his profile, people will just start throwing around accusations of brigading. If you've frequented Menslib, you probably have a decent idea of who it might be, he's quite a prolific submitter of threads. Though that said, it looks like he might not specifically be a mod for Menslib anymore. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/09/23 04:57 PM |
| 69 | R/menslib feels like so weirdThere is a greater irony at play, in that if you actually do go to the TwoX, Feminism and AskFeminist subreddits, they all roundly hate MensLib. There are innumerable posts about how it's just a shitty MRA front and the men and their posts are still hideous and misogynistic. I've seen the main mod from MensLib get downvoted to oblivion repeatedly on AskFeminists, and for purely the most Milquetoast takes. I'm talking along the lines of 'of course women have it bad, but perhaps not all men are Sa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/09/23 10:09 PM |
| 7 | Sunak urged to appoint minister for menIt was fascinating to listen to the teacher after him. He referred to talking to 4 very high achieving boys (all from different ethnic backgrounds, White, Black, Muslim, Sikh), and that all of them agreed with Tate. Which is a roundabout way of saying the issue cannot simply be reduced down to "angry young men". Something else is happening, and being so dismissive and failing to engage with whatever in the message may be appealing to them doesn't work, and is in fact actively counter-productive. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/09/23 05:55 AM |
| 4 | TV shows portray men/fathers as idiots, and one ought to be aware of this and look out for it. Even a seemingly innocuous show like Peppa Pig portrays the father as an idiot, and this has an effect on children subconsciously.Cassandra or Kassandra (/kəˈsændrə/;[2] Ancient Greek: Κασσάνδρα, pronounced [kas:ándra], also Κασάνδρα, and sometimes referred to as Alexandra)[3] in Greek mythology was a Trojan priestess dedicated to the god Apollo and fated by him to utter true prophecies but never to be believed . And marge might not be strict but she’s the one who has to take care of the cooking, cleaning, kids, and homer. At the end of the day she always has to forgive him and love him. That is literally what everyone is … | /r/MensRights | 02/09/23 04:06 PM |
| 4 | TV shows portray men/fathers as idiots, and one ought to be aware of this and look out for it. Even a seemingly innocuous show like Peppa Pig portrays the father as an idiot, and this has an effect on children subconsciously.The trend did largely explode with The Simpsons, however Marge Simpson is frequently cast as a caring and very competent mother, and always cast as the put-upon housewife. I don't think she was ever cast as strict. She was cast as Cassandra (destined to be eternally right but never listened to by her equally eternally incompetent husband). | /r/MensRights | 02/09/23 10:33 AM |
| 3 | Got beaten up into hospital by a girl in elementary school. Nothing happenedThat's truly horrible to read. Schools (and parents of those kids) genuinely do suck when it comes to bullying. Years of abuse is more than enough to mess up anyone. I do hope you're doing well today. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/23 09:23 PM |
| 18 | Got beaten up into hospital by a girl in elementary school. Nothing happenedWouldn't work. Surrounded by a bunch of bullies willing to lie and back each other up, the story goes from 'boy mysteriously left beaten up by side of the road' to 'brave children protect girl from violent boy after he attacks her'. She goes crying to the school and it's game over. He's already marked as "the troublemaker" and he'd either get medicated to catatonia or shipped off somewhere worse. The big problem is that the school has already failed him before this event even took place. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/23 09:13 AM |
| 10 | "I’m a psychologist and this is why we struggle to believe women like (baby murderer) Lucy Letby exist"They just have to try to, somehow, label it misogyny. Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more Search for a word misogyny /mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/ noun dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women. A belief that women are fundamentally and innately good and angelic (and needing an external male influence to drive them to evil) is not misogyny. It is not dislike or contempt, and it is not prejudice against women. It is (in such a context) if anything evidence of bias in the… | /r/MensRights | 22/08/23 06:35 PM |
| 1 | ‘Cruel humiliation’: prosecutors rejected plea to spare rape complainantWhether you like it or not, that is their job. The defense has to defend and use whatever legal means they have to do so, even if they were to believe their client were abject scum. This was a long-shot with no chance of working, and the defense knows it. But they're under obligation to their position to try. | /r/MensRights | 20/08/23 06:43 PM |
| 3 | Earning more and getting fit isn't always the solution for romantic relationships.. understanding a woman's emotional needs is."but if you’re wanting to build a life with someone, create a home and a family of your own, Then believe it or not, you can't build that life with emotions, you need money. A home, being able to support a family, a suitable life that is comfortable... emotional intelligence in the relationship is important but the things you listed definitely come under the category of 'financial'. Money, looks, that shit goes quick. Money usually goes quick if you spend it poorly (we're excluding catastrophic e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/23 09:21 PM |
| – | Do people really think this is reasonable?This is true. At the end of the day if you took reddit as a sounding board, you'd believe all relationships are unhappy ones, because naturally very few people are going to talk about something they're happy about. And in general, happy successful people are often busy enough living life to feel any compulsion to post repeatedly on the internet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/08/23 04:36 PM |
| – | Do people really think this is reasonable?And how many times have the men stopped the demands?! If you ever read DeadBedrooms subreddit? Lots. As in they will go literal months without even a mention, and literal years with no pressure at all. And in fairness that applies to women as well (the split genuinely seems to be about 50/50 if anything). Never works. Loss of libido in one partner is usually about a greater underlying issue, not as much because they are under "pressure". Usually the HL partner will try everything, including comp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/08/23 04:13 PM |
| 0 | UK official web site. “The gender pay gap does not show differences in pay for comparable jobs. Unequal pay for men and women has been illegal for 45 years.”Men do not get pregnant Men do not give birth Men do not breastfeed Those are all serious, physical endeavours that put hefty and often extreme stresses on the body and absolute barriers, hence the need for maternity leave. Even in an ABSOLUTE forced scenario where the mother returns to work literally as soon as possible, with the father splitting work and childcare obligations 50/50, they have lost a lot of time at work and are either sacrificing more of their health and well-being to do so, or… | /r/MensRights | 13/08/23 09:24 AM |
| 5 | Shamed because I picked up a 6 year old girl.I don't know how true it actually is, but the problem is that people believe it's true. From the same article and incident: a two-year-old is toddling across a market street in the southern Chinese city of Foshan when she is hit by a white minivan. The driver pauses, assesses the situation, and moves on, running over the girl again with the back right tire. ... The driver, in a call to reporters, didn’t help matters, saying: “If she is dead, I may pay only about twenty-thousand yuan ($3,125). Bu… | /r/MensRights | 11/08/23 09:06 AM |
| 9 | Shamed because I picked up a 6 year old girl.Similar here (UK), I don't feel weird taking the kids out and about. It's rare that the first presumption is "kidnapping!" or some other nasty sentiment to see kids with their father. I feel like that fear culture is something that heavily enforces against men in the US. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/23 08:57 AM |
| 28 | Shamed because I picked up a 6 year old girl.Already happens in other countries: https://www.newyorker.com/news/evan-osnos/chinas-bystander-effect In the minutes that follow, she lies on the pavement, is hit by another driver, and is ignored by more than a dozen passersby, including a woman walking with a child. Eventually, a garbage collector stops and pulls the child to safety. ... When the People’s Daily conducted an online poll on whether people would help a senior citizen who had fallen in the street, more than eighty per cent of thos… | /r/MensRights | 10/08/23 10:00 PM |
| 21 | Shamed because I picked up a 6 year old girl.The thing that's probably missing here is the wife and father probably had a tiff about this. The fact he was there and clearly didn't have an issue. Bingo. If I were inclined, I would place genuine money on there having been an argument between mum and dad over this. I'd actually speak to dad separately and ask if he had been uncomfortable (and if he was, why he didn't say anything at the time). Mum might be shaming you, but you were given the OK from the other parent who was present at the tim… | /r/MensRights | 10/08/23 09:55 PM |
| 9 | Men: The Artificial MinorityWhy did you stop your research on the broadest possible statistics. Why not put some effort into the why? Well there's an irony. You jumped straight to "It's the guns stupid!" without looking any further or thinking about it in any actual depth. Like for example, stats from the UK: https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/11g41on/oc_male_female_suicide_rate_is_roughly_equal/ https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/11g41on/oc_male_female_suicide_rate_is_roughly_equal/jamlckk/?c… | /r/MensRights | 10/08/23 09:03 PM |
| 6 | Men: The Artificial MinorityIn nearly every method of suicide, males show a greater percentage of 'completion' than females. That's across countries as well. Before I continue, what exactly are you seeking to say? Because in countries like the UK, the issue isn't gun control. | /r/MensRights | 10/08/23 08:50 PM |
| 18 | A mom-of-two has taken the internet by storm after teaching her seven-year-old on how to be a good husband.Same. The pedestal comment in particular. It wasn't my mom that did it though (keeping things vague to not reveal too much personal). Previous relationship was an abject nightmare. But in the back of my head was always that belief that women can't oppress men, it's men that are endlessly and thoughtlessly hurting women every day. So as a man it's my obligation to be mindful of this at every step of the way, because I am innately at risk of oppressing her. It left me completely unprepared for rea… | /r/MensRights | 08/08/23 09:20 PM |
| 35 | Do we downplay misandry?I'll add one Boko Haram and the Chibok schoolgirls kidnapping. Gigantic international media campaign ("bring back our girls") over the kidnapped schoolgirls. Massive outcry and sustained interest for years over what had happened . It was a tragedy. What fails to be mentioned is that this was a long running campaign by Boko Haram and before the abduction of 270 schoolgirls they had been kidnapping and straight up murdering schoolboys across the country for years, with basically zero media attenti… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/07/23 05:07 PM |
| 1 | Wife threatens to take away child in every argumentI hate to say this but, it's time to ignore what your wife wants now and set some actual, firm boundaries. You have to say no to her. You have been allowing her to run roughshod all over you with her whims. She has shown she cannot control them for the benefit of the family, it's made her miserable, and she still blames you even though she's the one in control. Get that job. You need it, and you know it will benefit the family. I know you're scared she's a risk with the baby. I hate to say this … | /r/MensRights | 20/07/23 10:33 AM |
| 7 | More bias in media. Headline “Husbands create an extra seven hours of housework” ignores extra hours at work and other household responsibilities.Absolutely, a little bit of communication instead of jumping straight to raaar, me angry would save her so much stress. I think the comment I agreed with most from that thread was that if she were to simply phrase it as: "Could you chose dinner tonight? I don't even want to think about it." Would make it clear that even thinking about it is a task for her and she would like for him to think about it instead. Although the poster in question was scared to even offer this advice, literally opening … | /r/MensRights | 16/07/23 07:07 PM |
| 15 | More bias in media. Headline “Husbands create an extra seven hours of housework” ignores extra hours at work and other household responsibilities.I've know plenty of entitled women. But also plenty of very humble and caring women. In my experience the kind of person to hit up TwoX to rant about the 'emotional labour' she's under is usually the former. But who can really say what's going on in someone's head when they reach that point. | /r/MensRights | 16/07/23 04:25 PM |
| 65 | More bias in media. Headline “Husbands create an extra seven hours of housework” ignores extra hours at work and other household responsibilities.There was fascinating post in TwoX from about a week ago from a woman lamenting her fiance. He's recovering from major surger and is bed-bound for over a month. o she has to take care of all the housework. In such circumstances, it's understandable to get frustrated worn down by the situation. It's hard, you're looking after two people with no support. She's burnt out. But what is she ranting about? Well you see, she asked him what he'd like for dinner, and he said "it's up to you". Now from any… | /r/MensRights | 16/07/23 03:57 PM |
| 1 | Feminism's problem isn't that they hate men or not care about their problems. Is that they only *superficially* care.Kali actually struck me as one of the more reasonable mods (not to say she's not very much in line with the ethos there). Which is funny because it sometimes even results in her being down voted for disagreeing with an extreme take. | /r/MensRights | 08/07/23 12:23 PM |
| 6 | Feminism's problem isn't that they hate men or not care about their problems. Is that they only *superficially* care.The irony is that the major feminist subreddits hate menslib. They're always posting about how it's just a veneer and it's all still MRA bullshit when you dig into the comments. I have lost count of the number of times that I've seen the main mod from menslib (who I will not name) post in AskFeminists with an extremely benign take that always amounts to "women clearly have it worse but perhaps in this one area we need a little compassion for men and what they're going through", only to get downv… | /r/MensRights | 07/07/23 09:32 PM |
| 10 | ‘Men are nervous working with women’ after string of harassment claims, says ex-Tesco chair John Allan"how to avoid secual harassment accusations keep your hands to yourself its not fucking hard" There was a recent case where a woman took a literal hammer to her own face to fake assaults and accuse multiple people. Like went complete Gone Girl. When she was arrested for perverting the course of justice, certain subreddits were having straight up meltdowns at the proof of patriarchy shamelessly abusing yet another helpless woman. Hashtag justiceforellie indeed. It's impossible extraordinarily dif… | /r/MensRights | 19/06/23 09:20 PM |
| 7 | "I'm a mom who flies in business class while my family stays in economy. We see it as a lesson on feminism."You should look up Julie Birchill sometime. She was straight up mocking Male Suicide (in the Guardian, not some minor blog, this was mainstream): That young men succeed in suicide more often than girls isn’t really the point. Indeed, the more callous among us would say that it was quite nice for young men finally to find something that they’re better at than girls… To ask me to feel sympathy with suicides after witnessing this (the death of her father from asbestos-induced cancer) is, I suggest,… | /r/MensRights | 11/06/23 11:03 PM |
| 17 | "I'm a mom who flies in business class while my family stays in economy. We see it as a lesson on feminism."It reminds me of Jody Allard who was penning articles about how she viewed her sons as fundamentally "unsafe" and innately misogynistic because they were male. She was later penning articles struggling to understand why her son was suicidal. I am not even making this crap up. Quote from her article about her son's suicidal thoughts: When he wants to die, my son never comes to me. Instead, he texts his friends or his girlfriend. The first time one of his friends texted me and said my son wanted t… | /r/MensRights | 11/06/23 09:23 PM |
| 4 | "I'm a mom who flies in business class while my family stays in economy. We see it as a lesson on feminism."She did say it was in response to numerous, oh so many, fathers sitting in business class while their wives and children sit in economy. I could find literally one example in that whole article (I'm going to be charitable and say there might be two, but that second link doesn't even go anywhere, at least I couldn't access it), which in itself was a husband and his wife being first class whilst the kids were behind in coach (with their nanny?! The whole scenario is stupid), and the internet tore … | /r/MensRights | 11/06/23 08:53 PM |
| 17 | If it were truly about equality, why aren't feminists trying to make it so that the default awarding of primary physical custody is not always given to the woman?Because rather than actually acknowledge the faults / biases inherent within the system and work to overcome them they would rather sit around and condescendingly say "When fathers actively fight for custody, they get it in 60% of cases" It's kind of a hypocritical argument. The argument that STEM is being gated from women is a regular canard. As an argument, saying "the women who actually choose to apply and meet the requirements get in" always gets shot down because you're ostensibly missing a… | /r/MensRights | 23/05/23 05:42 AM |
| 3 | UK: My brother was murdered by his abusive female partner - men must speak up about domestic violence before it's too lateI've had this literally happen twice just recently. https://np.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/13eokqe/comment/jjr9o4s/ https://np.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/13eokqe/in_your_opinion_what_is_the_most_stupid_and_wrong/jjsnkp9/ Got accused of whataboutism, and being a contributor to violence against women (literally) by talking about men suffering from IPV (because it doesn't happen in significant numbers and is a deliberate distraction). I was talking from personal experience of IPV myself. This wa… | /r/MensRights | 23/05/23 05:24 AM |
| 11 | "No uterus no opinion" but feminist equality means "if no balls - no problem! Tell men what to do with theirs."I think that in order to convict a person, they should put both sides the accuser and accused through lie detective tests and have in home cameras to see exactly what both parties are like. I think that will be the wave of the future. A "lie detector" is a polygraph. It does not detect lies, it detects "tension" (at best). A polygraph tests for certain physical responses and their intensity. The operator then subjectively reads these responses after having asked a series of questions and goes "H… | /r/MensRights | 11/05/23 07:18 AM |
| 9 | Why can't Women understand Male Struggles?Tell them before they go after the males they need to destroy the old "white female in distress" perception. They won't cause they know in doing so would cause they're whole movement to collapse lol. The origins of feminism have very, very heavy roots in the racism of the era. This is something even feminists will not deny, especially anyone who has truly studied the topic and the much vaunted topic of 'intersectionalism'. Heck, there's a whole Wikipedia page on the subject, and this how it star… | /r/MensRights | 03/05/23 03:54 AM |
| 57 | Why can't Women understand Male Struggles?It demands an oppressor class to work and that is currently males. More specifically white straight males. Without the oppressor class then the whole theory falls apart. All of the modern versions of social justice have adopted intersectional theory as their base or starting point. For women to admit that men have valid societal issues they have to break the programming because once they oppressor class can be seen as victims of societal issues and or victims of some sort then the entire house o… | /r/MensRights | 02/05/23 06:04 PM |
| 8 | Men are being gaslit into thinking they are misogynists and it’s destroying their mental healthWhere the boy wants to distinguish himself (in accomplishment, interest, more rarely looks), and is lazy Doesn't this kind of prove the point? Let's take your key example. If the boy is becoming (amongst other things) lazy, surely this shouldn't be seen by the parent as the point where it's easier to parent him because they're causing you less direct grief. Rather it should be a point where you refocus your efforts to raise and parent him? Maybe spend some time and understand more of the backgro… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/04/23 08:26 PM |
| 42 | Men are being gaslit into thinking they are misogynists and it’s destroying their mental healthDax Shepard on his podcast once said something like "we need to teach boys they are full of what is basically poison." In reference to testosterone. That is a vile thing to teach children. You're saying that as boys, they are innately sinful as part of their nature. It primes them to view themselves as a threat and automatic aggressor, and that others who look down on them for being boys are right to do so. I want to expand on that last point, because I can't be the only one who grew up hearing … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/04/23 05:34 AM |
| 4 | Physical v Mental Abuse and gendersIt's an element where the standard feminist rhetoric that feminism is "for men" as well falls flat. I lived my life growing up wanting to become a "good man", and learning that innately I am likely to become an abuser unless I constantly, constantly keep myself (and my biases and privileges) on check. It left me woefully unprepared for the concept that a woman could be abusive in a relationship with me as a man. I mean it made no sense. She innately has no power compared to me, and society is st… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/04/23 11:49 PM |
| 3 | Physical v Mental Abuse and gendersIt's easy to understand that with the benefit of hindsight. When you grow up being taught that men are the abusers and women are the abused, your default worldview isn't "she's being abusive and irrational", but instead parsed as "what did I do that made her so upset?" Your first instinct is to believe that you have somehow abused or been terrible to her. Because it's the only thing that makes sense from that perspective to explain her anger. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/04/23 08:21 PM |
| 5 | Physical v Mental Abuse and gendersHell, you don't even need to use modern TV for this trope. The concept that the supposedly "strong" male character could be domineered by his wife is so old that you even had Macbeth's wife getting pissed off at him for being "infirm of purpose" for being horrified at having killed Duncan and being unwilling to carry out the rest of the plan (so she grabs the daggers and does it herself). As in it was such a common trope even about supposedly "masculine" men even at the time of Shakespeare that … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/04/23 05:48 AM |
| 3 | Physical v Mental Abuse and gendersThere is of course also the interrogation about some action that you did or did not perform that "cast her in a bad light" and made it appear as if she was being mean / controlling or that you were in any way scared or insecure instead of being the "man" in control of the relationship. Got that one a lot. You had to be hyper vigilant to ensure you never gave off the impression that things were in any way awry with you because it could make her look bad. The most obvious example I can give is the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/04/23 05:30 AM |
| 11 | Men, unlike women, are expected to take full responsibility for their own problems: the unholy alliance between feminists and the far rightWell who the hell would even listen? The current narrative is that men are by default the abusers in any given relationship. A feminist won't listen to anything to the converse because it goes against that accepted wisdom, and to them it stinks of you being an MRA making up crap. On the odd occasion where it's accepted it's immediately dismissed as whataboutism because you're deliberately taking the conversation away from the important considerations (women). Same deal with the MensLib crowd (se… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/04/23 02:50 PM |
| 23 | Men, unlike women, are expected to take full responsibility for their own problems: the unholy alliance between feminists and the far rightExcept that's not how it works, is it? We end up respecting women, unconditionally, to our detriment, because it presumes perpetually innocent behaviour on their part. We end up allowing ourselves to be vulnerable, to be neglected or taken advantage of, and our feelings and needs are never given the reciprocal care that we're expected to give everybody else's. Having been in a deeply abusive relationship (to the point where I needed my own female therapist to directly spell it out to me that I w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/04/23 10:25 AM |
| 34 | Guardian article that sums up the left's problem discussing male loneliness.AskFeminists? There is a pinned sticky at the top of Menslib literally right now that is about internalized self-loathing (because it's an issue that so many men coming to the subreddit have). And yet the general gist of the thread is that it's completely normal for a male who truly understands women's suffering at men's hands to then adopt a self-loathing attitude. But they understand this might be bad for your overall mental health too (and we're all about your mental health right?) so maybe d… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/02/23 11:23 PM |
| 1 | why do straight men disproportionally like sports so much more than anyone else?Good day then. | /r/MensRights | 28/12/22 12:03 PM |
| 1 | why do straight men disproportionally like sports so much more than anyone else?If you wish. We can discuss that later if you desire. Now then. Is your assertion that men have an inherent desire for war? | /r/MensRights | 28/12/22 07:19 AM |
| 1 | why do straight men disproportionally like sports so much more than anyone else?Then I hope you don't have a problem answering it one more time. Is your assertion that men have an inherent desire for war? | /r/MensRights | 27/12/22 08:43 AM |
| 1 | why do straight men disproportionally like sports so much more than anyone else?There's nothing obscure about asking you to properly delineate your stance nor properly define your usage of terms. Nor are my questions obscure, they should be quite easy to answer given your premise. At least the very first one (which you kept trying to redefine before answering). Nor are the questions based off of hypotheticals. They are real world competitions and events, with a simple yes or no answer that you refused to give as to whether they fit within the framework of your stance. Well,… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/22 07:03 AM |
| 1 | why do straight men disproportionally like sports so much more than anyone else?You do not substitute for something that is not desired. Leading back to my original question. Is your assertion that men have an inherent desire for war? Related to this, you keep substituting "conflict" for "war" but as I said before the two words do not have the exact same meaning. I am proceeding from where OP started, with the premise that sport is a substitute for war. And likewise, sports can only be considered a "lesser cousin" or "lesser form" of war if you view them both on the same ax… | /r/MensRights | 26/12/22 05:03 PM |
| -1 | why do straight men disproportionally like sports so much more than anyone else?But in this response are you using the term conflict to refer specifically to war? We need to be clear here because the term 'conflict' can also just be a synonym for competition. And therein lies the problem. Viewing sport as a substitute for war is probably closer to the opposite of my stance. Which is that there may be an inherent desire for competition, and that this can also manifest itself within and as a part of war. To back to your Lacrosse example: Lacrosse played a significant role in … | /r/MensRights | 26/12/22 10:52 AM |
| 1 | why do straight men disproportionally like sports so much more than anyone else?In this example, you're saying there's a deep seated desire for one thing that is being supplanted by another, would that be correct? That men have an inherent desire towards war, and it is 'substituted' by sport, would that be a fair assessment? | /r/MensRights | 26/12/22 09:55 AM |
| -3 | why do straight men disproportionally like sports so much more than anyone else?Certain sports have been used as training because of their physical skillet. This is not the same as saying that sports is a substitute for war. Even on the presumption that some sports had previous military and tribalistic reasons for their genesis, how does that stack up to modern interest in things like football? Football for example was actually banned in England by King Edward III, specifically because he viewed it as a distraction and wanted men and youth to focus on archery instead. | /r/MensRights | 26/12/22 09:42 AM |
| 4 | why do straight men disproportionally like sports so much more than anyone else?Agreed. War is not fun, and the people fighting it are NOT having fun (unless they already have some deeply concerning psychological issues). The most I could say is that we have popular depictions of war in fiction. But then there's also popular depictions of horror too, and that doesn't mean people have a deep-seated craving to be chased through the forest by a man wielding a chainsaw. | /r/MensRights | 26/12/22 08:56 AM |
| 6 | why do straight men disproportionally like sports so much more than anyone else?Sport is a substitute for war. No it is not. I must have missed the part where being heterosexual and male inclines a person to war in the manner that OP suggests it inclines them to enjoying sport. People engage in sport at every level of society. The same cannot be said for people engaging in war with each other. Seeking and finding enjoyment in friendly competition is not the same as seeking and enjoying war. And when a person fights in war, they're not satisfying some kind of masculine urge … | /r/MensRights | 26/12/22 08:38 AM |
| 7 | Quotes that represent my views on masculinityA lot of stuff from Lord of the Rings. It's been said before, but Tolkien did a really good reflection on trying to be good and noble, and trying to weather adversity. “His grief he will not forget; but it will not darken his heart, it will teach him wisdom.” “It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till. W… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/12/22 03:01 PM |
| 2 | A Scientist Is Canceled By The MeToo Mob: The Frustrating Case of Dr. David SabatiniFor further reference, there's a good article on what happened here: https://www.commonsense.news/p/he-was-a-world-renowned-cancer-researcher And previous discussions here: https://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/utfhji/he_was_a_worldrenowned_cancer_researcher_now_hes/ https://np.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/uu5nyy/he_was_a_worldrenowned_cancer_researcher_now_hes/ | /r/MensRights | 16/11/22 04:24 AM |
| 15 | USA: We Need to Face Facts About Boys' Academic StrugglesLast time I posted on this topic, someone PM'd me and started a whole discussion about how there can't be any systemic or inherent bias in regarding the treatment of boys in school, it's instead that boys are inherently cognitively worse (slightly more susceptible to language delay disorders, mature slower than girls) and this causes them to fall behind academically. He said I was "yelling discrimination". So I posed a simple question: If you're asserting that boys are cognitively worse-off (for… | /r/MensRights | 16/11/22 04:09 AM |
| 9 | "Men's Day is Every Day"What is your rebuttal to the women attempting suicide more claim and the men having terrible classroom behavior/not doing their work claims? There's a few: Re: Suicide: Generally speaking you don't survive long enough make subsequent attempts if the first event is actually terminal. That is the literal definition of "survivorship bias". If you've succeeded in committing suicide the first time around, further attempts aren't possible to be statistically collated. As far as I've seen there's no re… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/11/22 07:34 PM |
| 88 | "Men's Day is Every Day"Let me tell you how often I've seen this discussion point in various forms of social media. Because not only have I seen them constantly try to shut down ANY discussion of men's issues in ANY context (as OP points out "Every day is mens day!" is a pretty common refrain), I can automatically tell you right now what their response to each and every one of your posted points is going to be: Men are 3 times more likely to commit suicide than women "Women attempt suicide more often!" "Women care abou… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/11/22 02:12 AM |
| 2 | Feminist performance artAny context? I mean it looks ridiculously stupid, but I'm wondering what kind of deep socio-political point they thought they were making. | /r/MensRights | 21/10/22 07:34 AM |
| 13 | Where Have All the Men in Moscow Gone?It's truly odd how the Left has supplanted what used to be compassion and seeking to understand context, with self-righteous castigation of those on the "wrong" side. Something that used to be (or so it's claimed) the sole purview of the Right. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/10/22 12:12 PM |
| 41 | Men, Intimacy & The "Right to Sex" - Between The Scenes | The Daily ShowIndeed, it's like taking "crime rates increase in poverty stricken areas" and writing the headline "poor people demand you give them money or else they'll keep committing more crime!". One is a statement of fact. The other is an inference of intent whilst missing the steps in-between. People don't have a "right" to money but there are well established correlations between poverty and crime. So the logical thing to do is to then ask the question "how does this happen, and are there ways (e.g. edu… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/10/22 12:06 PM |
| 28 | Henry Cavill hesitant to flirt so he doesn't get accused of sexual harrassment. Twitter then accuses him of being sexist for not flirtingIn deferences to your wanting to delete the post later, I'm not going to quote anything. But yeah, I hope you get out soon. If it's a threat, it's not one you can afford to treat as an idle one, even if she appends a "just joking" to it. It's also quite possible that the "home life" situation is either a one-sided recounting or completely made up. A person willing to lie about you like that is willing to lie about other things. | /r/MensRights | 16/10/22 04:15 PM |
| 8 | Why are people trying to shame my husband for seeking help?So I dunno, did her parents Spartan punt her into a pit when she was a child? Maybe a hearty slap on the back and saying "You're 7 years old now, if you can't fight off the wolves for yourself I'm certainly not going to do it for you." It sounds like the worst kind of Ayn Rand nonsense. I agree with what others have said. We all need help from time to time. It's what human civilisation and human compassion are about. As trite as it sounds, it reminds me of a talk Arnold Schwarzenegger where he s… | /r/MensRights | 15/10/22 11:54 PM |
| 10 | Help this feminist understand.First, thank you for coming with the sincere intention of dialogue. That's a character trait that's far too rare on the internet, whatever group you're in. I guess I have several questions: 1) where did feminism go wrong? Feminism - as I understand it - shouldn’t be about man bashing. Quite the opposite! It ought to be concerned with gender equity for everyone, but instead it’s lead to combativeness. Many people here don't actually have no issue with gender equity. However, more modern strains o… | /r/MensRights | 05/10/22 06:12 PM |
| 11 | My wife constantly physically abuses me. How do I get her to stop?Her writing this down herself as to what she has done is a literal confession. Whether she changes her behaviour or not, it works in his favour (as long as he makes sure it doesn't get "misplaced"). It's one of the oldest tricks in the book that police sometimes use. Have someone in custody, and say something along the lines of "look, the people you robbed are kind people. If you were to write them a sincere apology letter for what you did, I'm sure they may be willing to forgive and forget." An… | /r/MensRights | 03/10/22 11:12 AM |
| 37 | My wife constantly physically abuses me. How do I get her to stop?Does anybody have a solution that doesn’t involve leaving her? First question: Why is this your requirement? Clearly you've thought "the obvious answer / the obvious thing they're going to say is to leave." What is keeping you in this situation? There's little we can do (as strangers online on the internet) to help you alleviate this situation. With someone that is repeatedly physically abusing you, in general you can't "reason" them out of it. She's said that she'd stop. She continues to beat y… | /r/MensRights | 03/10/22 10:11 AM |
| 7 | Woman spared longer sentence for abusing boyfriend in UKSome background. This was a case from back in 2018 IIRC. I remember watching a TV interview with him on a breakfast show about male sufferers of domestic violence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj8WlhuifDI Full documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vSwqwI681I If any of you are or ever have been subject to domestic abuse (or are otherwise interested in a particular case study of an incident of male suffered domestic violence), I would recommend watching it. The train of thoughts and act… | /r/MensRights | 03/10/22 09:46 AM |
| 2 | "Happy Wife Happy Life" is the relationship version of trickle down economics.They ask you questions, you both try to answer honestly. And you both have previous experiences of stressful situations (some of which you encountered together) and how you dealt with them. I can only speak for my own experience. Generally speaking if there's a significant difference in something like emotional resilience and ability to handle stress then you'll both likely already know it. In our case, she was suffering from childhood trauma and it lead to difficulties with handling certain emo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/09/22 02:46 AM |
| 1 | "Happy Wife Happy Life" is the relationship version of trickle down economics.Example: Caucasian people on average have higher IQs than those of direct African decent (by measure of the last 5 generations). This was published, and caused uproar within the scientific. The question asked by everyone was “why do you want to study that?”…. The answer “in the pursuit of scientific inquiry for the sake of furthering our knowledge about the world” is no longer an acceptable answer. The question wasn't "why do you want to study that" (at least not at first), it was "how do you me… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/09/22 08:55 AM |
| 6 | "Happy Wife Happy Life" is the relationship version of trickle down economics.There are absolutely some great therapists out there, but this measured approach is likely a matter of the individual, rather than training. Maybe so. I can't speak for the APA standards I'm afraid, I don't live in the US, which may partly explain the different experience. She may have been older than us (I never directly asked, but she was clearly experienced). I couldn't say how 'in tune' or not she was with the general standards of other practitioners in this country. I wouldn't necessarily s… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/09/22 07:57 AM |
| 26 | "Happy Wife Happy Life" is the relationship version of trickle down economics.I can only speak from personal experience as well. She (our counsellor) was usually good at picking up on what was happening and holding us both to account for any behaviours. I occasionally felt that she put more on me. But she was very blunt to me as well that the reason she did so was because I was more emotionally resilient than my spouse and that her trauma would take more significant time and work to heal. Sometimes the partners are starting from different places and so one will need to be… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/09/22 02:00 AM |
| 2 | i feel like we should work harder with mens rights and the manopshereIndeed. And what actions are you proposing? | /r/MensRights | 22/09/22 10:32 PM |
| 94 | "Happy Wife Happy Life" is the relationship version of trickle down economics.Apparently a marriage counselor had focused on that idea for fixing their marriage, which basically amounts to 'do whatever the woman wants, and hope that when she's fulfilled enough that she will then address the man's problems'. If the marriage counsellor acknowledges that both partners have issues, but suggests that only one party should be taking action to solve those issues, they aren't a good marriage counsellor. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/09/22 10:11 PM |
| 5 | How many here are assosiated with the red pill? does the red pill have merits?Nope. Whilst I agree with the "self-improvement" aspect of things (that's good advice generally), I don't agree with how uniformly they perceive women, almost as a hivemind to which they then espouse certain behaviours to act as "key" to the female "lock". They have this weird obsession with social hierarchies and becoming alpha and sigma males, neither of which I am interested in becoming (I don't care how many times they repeat the mantra that Alpha Fucks Beta Bux) . I have my own perspectives… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/09/22 09:51 PM |
| 3 | Is YOUR partner a sex pest? Many women are complaining about 'gropey' husbands – and how to stop him hassling you for good. OP: Men branded "sex pests" even in a relationship!The whole men's have needs thing is fine if you are talking about an actual need like food or water. You aren't starving from a lack of pussy in your relationship, and saying that you are truly is some incel shit. Being in a committed relationship includes fidelity to your partner, and a commitment to some form of intimacy. Without intimacy, it's not an "intimate" relationship, you are literally roommates. I will happily state that sex is an integral part of most if not all committed intimate re… | /r/MensRights | 14/09/22 02:53 PM |
| 1 | Struggling to find any good argument against mandatory paternity testingIf there's one thing I've learned about the US healthcare system over the past few years, it's that every line item is maximised in its cost when put on the bill. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/09/22 03:30 PM |
| -2 | Struggling to find any good argument against mandatory paternity testingThat's... pretty expensive isn't it? Just in the US there's 3.2 million births annually. If you're saying $200 a pop you're talking in the region of $640,000,000. Per year. As a percentage of the TOTAL US Budget it's minimal, but I could also see why $640 million on mandatory paternity testing would be first on the chopping block to be spent elsewhere when budgets are allocated. Plus I really don't like the idea of giving any government access to a complete DNA database of every single person. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/09/22 12:55 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone here had feminists and the broader ideology have lasting negative affects on there life?I am still leery of trusting people to be rational actors as I once did. To me, most people I meet are potentially volatile powder-kegs, at least until I get to know them better. So I'm naturally guarded around new people (although if I say so myself, I'm usually quite good at it. Most people never realise that I'm letting slip very little information about myself). I don't know whether I would class that as "warping my perceptions" of people, or simply just that I've learned a valuable lesson. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/09/22 03:43 PM |
| 8 | Has anyone here had feminists and the broader ideology have lasting negative affects on there life?She was able to do that not because I was foolish but because I literally had no concept that a person like her could even exist. Basically. I had concept that evil men could exist. But evil women? They were oppressed, men abused them, society held them back. Men take advantage of women, not the other way around. So when the abuse comes, and you're told that you're the one responsible for that abuse, you don't question it. You believe it. She can't be the abuser, so it must be something wrong wi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/09/22 03:38 PM |
| 3 | Has anyone here had feminists and the broader ideology have lasting negative affects on there life?I'm sorry this all happened to you. I can relate to so much with regards to the bullying as well, especially to the point of snapping. It seems like back then, the standard advice for good little boys when faced with bullying is "just ignore it". But nobody can ignore it forever, everyone has their limits, and something's got to give. It's completely worthless advice. Any child of mine is going to have simple advice. You act with kindness. You don't start it. But if they start it with you, you s… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/09/22 03:02 PM |
| 8 | Barbara Ehrenreich, Feminism, and Abu GhraigWhat bothers me more is that, if you recognize that femininity per se isn't the solution, and that the problem was never really masculinity but rather an emergent property of the task itself, i.e. warfare, why the hell would you characterize the solution as a new kind of feminism? I'm not even clear that she's offering a "new" kind of feminism. Mainstream feminist discourse (on the left anyway) has often been about opposing power structures instead of trying to enter and change them. What she's … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/09/22 02:29 PM |
| 15 | Barbara Ehrenreich, Feminism, and Abu GhraigWhat we need is a tough new kind of feminism with no illusions. Women do not change institutions simply by assimilating into them, only by consciously deciding to fight for change. We need a feminism that teaches a woman to say no -- not just to the date rapist or overly insistent boyfriend but, when necessary, to the military or corporate hierarchy within which she finds herself. ... To cite an old, and far from naive, feminist saying: “If you think equality is the goal, your standards are too … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/09/22 12:54 PM |
| 10 | Has anyone here had feminists and the broader ideology have lasting negative affects on there life?It was from a relationship. Father never knew. Family never knew. Part of being in that position means that you do everything in your power to prevent other people from finding out. Because if it gets out, things become worse. They become worse for you, worse for her, the chances of rectifying the situation amicably are decreased (and that's always your core objective), and you become the target of renewed and even worse abuse. So you smile, nod, pretend everything's OK. And to get a little phil… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/09/22 11:32 AM |
| 42 | Has anyone here had feminists and the broader ideology have lasting negative affects on there life?I grew up with the empowered women's rhetoric of the 80's and 90's. All the media, all the entertainment, the books, women were strong selfess caring faultless stoic brave. They were smarter, more adept, more sincere. Women do and did for others better than men, where men were selfish, sluggish and stupid. Women had to fight and claw just to prove themselves (naturally) right, where men were always putting them down. Growing up, I genuinely believed women were better to men. And that as a man it… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/09/22 10:11 AM |
| 13 | Why ideology and therapy don’t go well together - a great videoI'm impressed. Looking at her videos, she really does go into the core issues with terms like "toxic masculinity / femininity" and how they're not just biased but self-serving at a very fundamental level. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/09/22 11:58 PM |
| 2 | Feminists hate lonely men the same way conservatives hate poor peopleI guess that’s my point. I could have easily said to you “Not all feminists hate men”. Would that have added anything to the discussion? If I was saying all feminists hate men, then yes, I believe it would. Because I personally don't believe that to be the case, there's plenty of feminists who I believe don't hate men and I'm happy to hear and listen, and also speak my own mind without fear of summary rejection. I think part of my overall problem is that the recent trend across social media (and… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/08/22 09:19 PM |
| 8 | Feminists hate lonely men the same way conservatives hate poor peopleI have never said it myself. I just agree with the sentiment that all men should not be generalised in this fashion. And I understand why people say it However, I will not say the alternate suggested phrase either. A few questions: By what standards are we assessing "too many men"? Do we mean at a functional societal / sociological level, a moral level, or what? How many men is "too many", exactly? Because if the answer is "more than one", then answering in such fashion is fundamentally meaningl… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/08/22 08:48 PM |
| 9 | Feminists hate lonely men the same way conservatives hate poor peopleOh I'm very serious when I say Feminists castigate anyone who says "not all men". That is very much a generalisation on my part, however it's also one I have yet to see countered. I have never once, ever, seen anyone on any feminist forum push back on the idea that saying "not all men" is anything less than invalid, let alone in any more mainstream rhetoric. Actually you will find plenty of articles written by feminists on the phrase "not all men", and each and every one of them goes into detail… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/08/22 01:17 PM |
| 9 | Feminists hate lonely men the same way conservatives hate poor peopleAgreed. But if feminists are going to continue picking at extremes and then saying "yes all men", then it's worth at least pointing out when they do it. At a fundamental level Feminists castigate anyone who says "not all men", so it would be more than a little ironic to then dismiss issues with their rhetoric by saying "not all feminists". | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/08/22 12:35 PM |
| 7 | Feminists hate lonely men the same way conservatives hate poor peopleOh I wouldn't consider limiting it to lonely men. They hate all men. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/10/french-writer-book-pauline-harmange-i-hate-men-interview https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-cant-we-hate-men/2018/06/08/f1a3a8e0-6451-11e8-a69c-b944de66d9e7_story.html https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/philosophy/men-are-trash-philosophy-dating-hate-speech https://everydayfeminism.com/2016/10/yes-actually-it-is-all-men/ https://www.amazon.com/Boys-Stupid-Throw-Rocks-Them/d… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/08/22 03:57 AM |
| 16 | Feminists hate lonely men the same way conservatives hate poor peopleI'm pretty sure it's not the feminists that offer an analogue of prosperity gospel aimed at getting laid. What do feminists offer to these men exactly? Oh I agree that the standard red-pill rhetoric works on an assumption of "women function like this, do these steps and you can get laid.". I agree that for whatever occasional tiny morsels of truth may occasionally surface within (like working on improving yourself, that's always good advice), it's still pretty worthless for men. The problem is t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/08/22 02:49 PM |
| 23 | Feminists hate lonely men the same way conservatives hate poor peopleWomen already are underpaid which is why we're more likely to pursue higher education in an attempt to close the wage gaps and make a half-decent living wage. Quick question: Are you stating that women are paid less for the same work? Or are you speaking in more broad terms of hours worked? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/08/22 09:46 AM |
| 12 | ‘Men have issues because they don’t talk’When they talk mockingly about men having " hurt fee fees" OK you know what? Yes. Men do get hurt feelings and hurt emotions. Bloody hell, can you not see the inherent contradiction in telling men that their issues reside in bottling up their emotions and forced stoicism, and then at the same time mocking emotional expressions when they occur? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/08/22 03:14 AM |
| 7 | ‘Men have issues because they don’t talk’This is basically all they say Literally. There was a thread in askfeminists on this very topic (opening up vs. "women are not your therapists). https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/w3f2bv/how_are_men_should_open_up_to_women_more_and/ Personally I found it quite a confused thread. We talked about it here: https://old.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/w3y59l/help_me_understand_rhetoric_surrounding_men/ EDIT: Oh man, the thread OP's been deleted now. That OP was up for weeks! He… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/08/22 03:07 AM |
| 30 | Feminist hypocrisy- "we don't need a men's rights movement."It's a double-bind. And the reason for it is simple. They approach everything from the concept that "the status quo IS men, they don't need any more representation, and giving them more representation only sets back women" There's actually a very good example of this, a very telling clip of UK MP Jess Phillips, where she pretty deliberately laughs straight at Phillip Davies for having the audacity of bringing up the idea, before verbalising this exact argument to this exact question. https://www… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/08/22 02:38 AM |
| 26 | Overcoming feelings of responsibility.It's funny you reference catcalling. There was a post in AskFeminists today on this very topic where someone asked if it was ok to complement a person as they pass by: https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/wvs4yj/is_this_bad_to_do_and_like_catcalling/ Long story short: Even there there's a ridiculous amount of divergence of opinion on whether his behaviour is fine or whether it's toxic masculinity. My own perspective? Frankly: You're safer keeping your head down and keeping well away fro… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/22 08:11 AM |
| 36 | Why we don’t talk about sexual violence against boys — and why we shouldA thought provoking article. Thank you. I do worry that social media culture and one-upmanship may start to make things like hazing even worse. It already seems to be enabling and encouraging the worst behaviours. I'll confess, I don't fully understand hazing. I've never been one for casual cruelty and picking on the little guy, and neither are the people I generally kept company with. I feel like it's a split where a culture can be established in some groups but not others depending on who's le… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/22 07:56 AM |
| 2 | Why is inter-partner violence treated as gender violence when the partners are heterosexual (or, in the case of many feminists, when the man specifically is the violent one)? Isn't it just a dispute between two close people who happen to be of opposite genders due to their sexual preferences?I would pose that any parts of hooks that are actually misandrist come from a very valid point that post made: you can't have a full perspective on the male condition unless you are male. However, that doesn't mean that hooks was a misandrist, it means she was a flawed human trying to pull feminism into the future. I'm not sure I can concur, or at least, I don't see what future she was trying to pull feminism into that wasn't misandrist when it particularly comes to black men. The Central Park 5… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/22 06:56 AM |
| 4 | Why is inter-partner violence treated as gender violence when the partners are heterosexual (or, in the case of many feminists, when the man specifically is the violent one)? Isn't it just a dispute between two close people who happen to be of opposite genders due to their sexual preferences?There is some real truth to the idea that whatever issues men may be having, men are going to need to solve themselves. Or at the very least, without help from modern feminist movements. Which is no bad thing in itself. Feminism does not exist to centre men's issues. That's not saying anything against it, just a material reality (regardless of what others may try to suggest). These days I am beginning to see more men mobilise on things like mental health, which can only be a good thing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/08/22 10:59 PM |
| 6 | Why is inter-partner violence treated as gender violence when the partners are heterosexual (or, in the case of many feminists, when the man specifically is the violent one)? Isn't it just a dispute between two close people who happen to be of opposite genders due to their sexual preferences?I mean there was literally zero pushback on that reading from any of the responses in the thread. Of course, they do tend to delete a LOT of stuff to ensure the correct narrative is maintained in r/feminism. Which is also a problem isn't it? If only certain and quite specific readings and implications of the material are acceptable in feminist spaces? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/08/22 08:50 PM |
| 8 | Why is inter-partner violence treated as gender violence when the partners are heterosexual (or, in the case of many feminists, when the man specifically is the violent one)? Isn't it just a dispute between two close people who happen to be of opposite genders due to their sexual preferences?Well yes, it's very easy to call for an end to all forms of violence if you don't acknowledge female on male abuse as even existing as a form of violence. Just so I'm clear, are you saying that r/feminism of all places is misunderstanding Bell Hooks? Because if so, that's worrying in its own way. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/08/22 06:37 PM |
| 13 | Why is inter-partner violence treated as gender violence when the partners are heterosexual (or, in the case of many feminists, when the man specifically is the violent one)? Isn't it just a dispute between two close people who happen to be of opposite genders due to their sexual preferences?That's an excerpt, but in itself is incomplete without a preceding paragraph: Significantly, I am among those rare feminist theorists who believe that it is crucial for feminist movement to have as an overriding agenda ending all forms of violence. Feminist focus on patriarchal violence against women should remain a primary concern. However emphasizing male violence against women in a manner which implies that it is more horrendous than all other forms of patriarchal violence does not serve to f… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/08/22 06:00 PM |
| 34 | Why is inter-partner violence treated as gender violence when the partners are heterosexual (or, in the case of many feminists, when the man specifically is the violent one)? Isn't it just a dispute between two close people who happen to be of opposite genders due to their sexual preferences?It's the last one. I've seen similar in feminist circles when the possible idea of men either being helpful or good comes up. So much of the movement is based around a set viewpoint that men are your oppressors and evil that even real-world examples counter-claims get shut down and ignored. I was reading the forum for women who are 'ovar it' recently, and there was a thread specifically about how men cannot be of help to the feminist movement, they are always oppressors and in opposition to wome… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/08/22 01:37 PM |
| 50 | Why is inter-partner violence treated as gender violence when the partners are heterosexual (or, in the case of many feminists, when the man specifically is the violent one)? Isn't it just a dispute between two close people who happen to be of opposite genders due to their sexual preferences?Around a year ago, MensLib had an AMA with Chuck Derry, of the Gender Violence Institute. I'll allow him to explain in his own words why they believe IPV is something men do to women. https://np.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/pbzhoe/hi_menslib_im_chuck_derry_ama/ 2) Regarding male survivors. This is an important discussion as many male abusers identify themselves as victims of those they abuse. And, in heterosexual relationships, the use of violence by women is often used in self-defense. And eve… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/08/22 11:51 AM |
| 1 | How misandry replaced atheism in the left wing politics (the birth of 4th ave of feminism)I can agree with that. They didn't always set the online arguments though. To put it another way: Feminist authors rarely (but don't always avoid) give voice to direct misandry (in their specific case, they enjoy the wriggle room so they can't be called out. Only the most truly outspoken unapologetically try to hit direct misandry). But members of that movement on the online discourse in TwoX, Feminism and FourthWaveWomen sure as hell do. Repeatedly, stupidly, loudly, far more than the authors e… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/22 01:53 AM |
| 1 | How misandry replaced atheism in the left wing politics (the birth of 4th ave of feminism)A lot of nonsense is said by anonymous people on IRC and forums. Agreed. But that isn't really representative of the movement. Kind of disagree. I mean it was pretty normalised (I am of course, being completely subjective). You yourself said that the New Atheist movement was primarily an online movement. At which point you can quote the books written by Harris and Dennett, but the online discourse had its own nature. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/22 12:29 AM |
| 3 | How misandry replaced atheism in the left wing politics (the birth of 4th ave of feminism)Except the article isn't referencing directly of Dennett et. al. (at least at first. I think he mentions Dawkins somewhere IIRC) Itss opening paragraphs are about the internet and more general discourse that came from it: My first forays onto the Internet were online bulletin boards about computer games. They would have a lot of little forums about various aspects of the games, plus two off-topic forums. One for discussion of atheism vs. religion. And the other for everything else. This was a co… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/22 11:52 PM |
| 4 | How misandry replaced atheism in the left wing politics (the birth of 4th ave of feminism)You're literally asking me to provide evidence for IRC and forum discussions I was involved with 20 years ago, is that correct? Still, if you find the suggestion that it was a common refrain an onerous one, fine, I'll happily drop it. It's still the claim the main article made as well. And it's still one that was easily dispatched once anyone moved outside their specific channel. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/22 11:25 PM |
| 10 | How misandry replaced atheism in the left wing politics (the birth of 4th ave of feminism)You have to think of it as the ur-evil, without which no other evil would exist. I mean that's literally what I quoted him saying, and it's a direct quote from the article. If you have an issue it's with the author making that claim. However, I will definitely say it wasn't an uncommon sentiment, it was very much the fabric of those 'New Atheist' internet debates of the 00's that he's talking about. Religion is the source of evil, without it humanity would enter a new enlightened golden age. I a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/22 10:56 PM |
| 14 | How misandry replaced atheism in the left wing politics (the birth of 4th ave of feminism)You have to think of it as the ur-evil, without which no other evil would exist. Homophobia? Only there because the Bible says to stone gay people. War? It’s all holy war of one sort or another, whether it’s Arabs vs. Israelis, Sunnis vs. Shias, or the Christian/Muslim “clash of civilizations”. Environmental devastation? Only there because religious people believe God elevated Adam over the animals and told him to exploit them for his own purposes. Poverty? Only because religious people believe … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/22 10:18 PM |
| 1 | Why are unsolicited dick picks seen as such a big deal? Perspective of a not 100% straight guyYes, and that can't be compared to things that are actually legal, like dick pics. I don't see why not. Legal rules based on moral impressions are changing constantly. You never explained why the first example is illegal but not the unsolicited explicit pictures isn't. I mean society could very easily normalise such behaviour as well if it wanted to. I don't know nor do i care what is or isn't the case in the UK. That something that should be legal is made illegal isn't a reason for it to be ill… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/08/22 11:20 PM |
| 5 | Update on Support Group JourneyHey that's great dude, well done. Hope you're able to start something good. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/08/22 03:38 PM |
| 1 | Why are unsolicited dick picks seen as such a big deal? Perspective of a not 100% straight guyA society/culture doesn't work like a democracy, not by a long shot. People aren't asked their opinion, they are influenced to have an opinion. OK. I never stated that change in societal values acted as a democratic institution. However, societal values do change over time, and those values end up influencing law. 50 years ago homosexuality was largely illegal. Societal values changed, and then so too did the laws. But that is really besides the point as ultimately what you made with these examp… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/08/22 03:31 PM |
| 22 | Wtf just happened? Man goes to jail while he was the one who got assaulted by his girlfriend and has the burden of proof. All this while he was the one who called the cops.Sometimes. But leaving an abusive relationship is rarely an easy thing. The abused partner often doesn't even realise or consider themselves to be abused. There can be a lot of factors in that. Low self esteem. Gaslighting into the belief that you're the wrong party. Previous history or traumas. Believing "they didn't really mean that". The belief that "all relationships are like that". Or the belief (specifically or in a structural sense) that she can't be an abuser because she's a woman (Dulut… | /r/MensRights | 04/08/22 12:49 PM |
| 1 | Why are unsolicited dick picks seen as such a big deal? Perspective of a not 100% straight guyAs the saying goes, the right to swing your arms ends where the other man's nose begins. There is no such a right as 'the right not to be offended', people offend other people all day every day. As long as these acts that are deemed offensive aren't criminal then there is no problem. Then if I am to understand your stance, your issue is a couple of things: 1) With the idea that sending uninvited explicit pictures may be classed contextually as "criminal" harassment on its own (depending on juris… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/08/22 12:13 PM |
| 1 | Just goes to show it!!It would appear that the Duluth Model strikes again. What's sad is that this keeps getting brought up again and again. https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/qifka6/why_is_the_duluth_model_so_controversial/hiixkhe/ And feminists always, always maintain that the model doesn't need to change. https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/gwgcg6/can_we_change_the_duluth_model/ They consistently maintain that the Duluth Model doesn't address female-on-male (or any other kind of) abuse, and th… | /r/MensRights | 04/08/22 10:32 AM |
| 1 | Why are unsolicited dick picks seen as such a big deal? Perspective of a not 100% straight guyFirst of all, if it isn't a huge deal then sending them wouldn't need any form of consent. I believe this is the crux of the matter. Whilst you maintain it's not any sort of issue, other people, particularly recipients who don't want them, maintain otherwise. For reasons that have been explained elsewhere in this thread. Given such, it seems reasonable to ask before sending. You seem to take issue with this idea. Does the idea of asking before sending explicit photos seem offensive? Perhaps you'… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/08/22 09:58 AM |
| 9 | Don’t be too cynical. DO something.In general, I can agree with this. Looking to change anything can't work without hope for change. Fatalism doesn't really achieve anything. At the same time, I can't be too harsh on cynicism. In some ways that cynicism is a first step, because it's a recognition that the mainstream rhetoric surrounding men isn't necessarily true or in good faith. A lot of us came to these kinds of discussions precisely because we've become so jaded with the modern discourse surrounding men and their differing si… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/22 09:38 AM |
| 1 | Why are unsolicited dick picks seen as such a big deal? Perspective of a not 100% straight guyit is mostly limited to these dating sites I believe this is where we differ. It definitely is not mostly limited to dating sites. It kind of happens everywhere. You've skipped the bit where you wanted 'real talk', was it 'too real'? If they don't have interest they can block them. And I already addressed this: And to answer the question, there's no problem as long as the participants have agreed to it beforehand. And you skipped the part about simply verifying before sending. If you maintain it… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/22 09:31 AM |
| 1 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up"The idea that they're too affectionate to be straight is precisely the problem. And inadvertently also kills off Rosie's place in the story. "I think the simple 'rustic' love of Sam and his Rosie (nowhere elaborated) is absolutely essential to the study of his (the chief hero's) character, and to the theme of the relation of ordinary life (breathing, eating, working, begetting) and quests, sacrifice, causes, and the 'longing for Elves', and sheer beauty." - J.R.R Tolkien letter dated 1951. She i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/22 08:48 AM |
| 0 | Why are unsolicited dick picks seen as such a big deal? Perspective of a not 100% straight guyIn which case I'm confused. If it's truly the case that you are of the understanding that this isn't limited to dating sites in the first place then, why specifically bring those up to focus on when nobody else was? But, why do you think that expliciet pictures on dating sites 'aren't right'? See the problem? You say it's not about dating sites and then keep focussing just on them. And to answer the question, there's no problem as long as the participants have agreed to it beforehand. Regardless… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/22 08:24 AM |
| 3 | Let's bring in some positivity to menHave an UP-vote. The first one's the hardest. Now that you've got that down, you'll start seeing more. Also: You may reach a plateau quite quickly as well (like being stuck unable to reach 5 or 10). Seriously: don't get disheartened. If it's hard for a while, sometimes you may need to switch things up a little and look at different exercises to strengthen specific muscle groups. But you'll get there. | /r/MensRights | 28/07/22 01:11 PM |
| 2 | Why are unsolicited dick picks seen as such a big deal? Perspective of a not 100% straight guyYour argument basically boils down to, 'If they don't want to see dick pics they can just not look at them'. It is the same logic as 'if i venture into there i accept i'm going to see their arguments'. And i agree, if i don't want to be in contact with those things i should stay out. But the very same can be said about dick pics, if you don't want them then don't go on dating sites trying to find a partner. You seem to presume that sending explicit pictures to random women is only standard on da… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/07/22 12:52 PM |
| 2 | Why are unsolicited dick picks seen as such a big deal? Perspective of a not 100% straight guyActually I feel like they'd leave a post like that up. Largely because it'd be a good opportunity for them to get angry and vent. And that's one of the most popular pastimes on the internet. I certainly can't imagine that feminists get many approaches from men anyway. Possibly not. But then that just makes the pictures all the more unwanted. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/07/22 11:21 AM |
| 5 | Why are unsolicited dick picks seen as such a big deal? Perspective of a not 100% straight guyIf I have a right to exist without having shit that I don't want shoved in my face why is r/TwoXChromosomes still a thing? They offend me, isn't that enough for it to be banned from existing? Are we talking about the existence of something, or them going out of their way to place themselves in your life? I think most of the crap thrown around on TwoX is vapid and often hurtful. But I don't care, they can stay in their corner and say whatever the hell they want. And if I venture into there I acce… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/07/22 11:13 AM |
| 2 | Why are unsolicited dick picks seen as such a big deal? Perspective of a not 100% straight guyNo, indecent exposure and flashing are done in a public setting, receiving something digital just isn't the same as experiencing them in real life. So then the question is of degree, not of if the action itself is bad and should be dissuaded. Would that be correct? If unsolicited explicit pictures are warranted under this category then onlyfans shouldn't be a thing. All sexual related content should be barred from advertising. I'm afraid I'm not following this one. I don't see how it relates to … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/07/22 10:56 AM |
| 9 | Why are unsolicited dick picks seen as such a big deal? Perspective of a not 100% straight guyI don't see people saying it's deeply distressing for themselves, though. Really? You've genuinely never seen this? I mean it doesn't take much to find. Even a quick search of TwoX finds plenty of posts about how they hate them and plenty of others that consider it harassment. Of course there's also the more direct method. Simply post in TwoX with a title of something like "Do you find unsolicited dick pics distressing, or is the whole thing overblown?". We'll know soon enough. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/07/22 03:10 AM |
| 9 | Why are unsolicited dick picks seen as such a big deal? Perspective of a not 100% straight guyAutistic people. The very old (as OP noted). The very young / naive / inexperienced. People who have been sexually assaulted. Heck, people with simply more traditional or different values. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/07/22 02:56 AM |
| 5 | Why are unsolicited dick picks seen as such a big deal? Perspective of a not 100% straight guyThe very topic of your post is "Why are unsolicited dick picks seen as such a big deal". I've tried to put forward some answers to that question. If we're talking from a purely legal perspective, flashing and indecent exposure are also illegal. To clarify your stance before we can really continue, do you believe that sending unsolicited explicit pictures to women should not be warranted under this or a similar category? In addendum to that, harassment is also something that is classed as illegal… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/07/22 02:22 AM |
| 6 | Why are unsolicited dick picks seen as such a big deal? Perspective of a not 100% straight guyI can't really agree with this. For starters, just because you have different standards and ideas of modesty / decency / tolerance / personal values / harassment (pick whichever applies) doesn't mean that you get to dictate those for others. I'm all for "don't go to bad places and complain when you get offended". It's another thing entirely when people deliberately go out of their way to press their crap on others. Leaving aside the obvious issues there: I can see it being much worse for example… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/07/22 02:03 AM |
| 3 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up"As someone else above said, some of the first advice anyone who is suicidal receives is to reach out for emotional support from loved ones and trusted friends. I mean humankind existed and cared for each through hardships long before the advent of the modern professional psychotherapist. And as others have also said, I would debate the universal applicability of "go to a therapist instead" in being the default means of addressing emotional hardships. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/07/22 11:48 PM |
| 4 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up"1: nearly every suicide awareness and prevention organization says that the first and most important step you can take to help is personally reaching out to someone who you know or suspect is suicidal and encouraging them to talk about it and what their going through and generally being a safe and supportive person to someone who very likely doesn't have one. so they literally advocated against suicide awareness and I got a big problem with that 2: the second step that nearly every suicide aware… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/07/22 02:50 AM |
| 2 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up"When you're so ingrained in the groupthink that you unironically use the "Why you gotta make me hit you" excuse of abusers everywhere. I don't believe Depp was blameless. Frankly I don't even want to go into "who was worse". But it was a sight to see them go full horseshoe in order to excuse Heard's behaviour. The possibility that at least some of her behaviours could be classed as abusive is anathema to the narrative, it has to be expunged or "recontextualised" in order to still cast her as a p… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/22 08:54 AM |
| 3 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up"I do love LotR as an example to all of this as well, it reflects a lot of the ideals that people actually did and do hold to, not necessarily what they're TOLD they hold to. It's like the relationship between Frodo and Samwise. There is a deep abiding love and kinship between the two. Tolkien was reflecting his own life and experiences, and to some extent also the deep bonds he forged between comrades in arms. What irks me the most is that now retroactively the relationship between them is being… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/22 08:46 AM |
| 3 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up"Almost identical process for me. My two closest male friends had similar experiences and I didn't have a clue until I discussed what I had gone through after finally getting my ex out my life. They almost never do. Part of the role of being that rock is that you feel if other people knew, it would make things worse for you, her, and everything else. So you keep a tight lid on it in private. You smile and nod and pretend everything's good but really... how do you even begin to explain the abuse t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/22 08:07 AM |
| 4 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up"But I think the people who say these things either live in blissful ignorance of just how turbulent and distorted a person's world can be, or they are among those who have these issues and are in denial. My ex did always try to convince me that all women were like her, after all, though I never bought into it. It is ironic. I remember a thread in either the feminism subreddit or twoX or GenderCritical or something a few years ago, basically trying to establish this line, that BPD was the patriar… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/22 12:43 AM |
| 5 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up"That is incredibly rough. I know how damaging that kind of existence can be, and how fatalistic it can lead you to becoming. People talk about BPD as if it's a myth (feminists especially, the believe it's pathologising normal women's behaviours and reactions and unfairly dismissing them because you can't take how right they are to be upset about their harrowing existence in the patriarchy (Yes. Really)), but the worst expressions of it are truly harrowing to live through. If you're the strongest… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/22 12:00 AM |
| 9 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up"It's not just you. From what I can see they seem to have defined "permissible" forms of opening up to people as, well, not really opening up at all. If you have any significant emotional problem, that's something you specifically deal with yourself otherwise you're trauma dumping. But then, if it's not a significant emotional problem, what are you even "opening up" about in the first place? I'm having a hard time finding this 'nuanced' boundary that they're talking about, where you can "open up"… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/07/22 01:48 AM |
| 14 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up"The amount of time my ex got mad at me for doing something "because it reminds me of my dad" is dumbfounding. Been there dude. And it's not even necessarily the behaviour itself, it's fear and expectation of you reacting in the abusive ways they did. It's a learned reaction and it's hard for them to shake. It takes genuine time for them to slowly acclimatise to a different reality to their expectations (this is all with the presumption of course, that they're actively working to do so). What I f… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/22 03:18 PM |
| 15 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up"If they came out and said "we don't care about your emotions or problems", it makes them sound like assholes. The mask really does come off on occasion. It reminds me of that thing with The Slumflower (Chidera Eggerue). Feminist author and icon, and one of the BBC's "top 100 women", Number 4 on Buzzfeed's "30 black girls you should follow on instagram" She caused a bit of a kerfuffle in her, let's say, staunch feminist views when it comes to male suicide. Maybe other peoples feminisms are about … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/22 02:21 PM |
| 13 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up"I am very wary of people who habitually try to measure and quantify things. They in my experience are those are people who are approaching the issue from the wrong foot from square one and are not going to stay in a close relationship/ friendship whatever you do because fundamentally they don't like giving of themselves. I think this puts it rather succinctly. I've been to 3rd world countries where people don't have much, and they'd still give you the shirt off their back. You can feel the love … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/22 11:11 AM |
| 18 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up"Yeah I it's just such an odd scenario they want to depict, especially if the sexes are reversed. Her: "Babe, it's just too much. And I've been feeling like I just want to end it all." Him: "If you are suicidal you should really speak to a professional." Whistles merrily away from the conversation Can you imagine the response? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/22 10:46 AM |
| 34 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up"The amount of time I have spent dealing with a partners emotional dumping, and most guys I know have also. That's something I've noticed. I don't think any feminist discussion around the topics of opening up and emotional labour actually acknowledges the degree to which women can and do put their emotions and their past traumas on the men in their relationships. And frequently they do so because that's all they have at the moment, and the man is expected to be that "rock" to anchor them when an … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/22 10:26 AM |
| 28 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up"In some ways it seems like most men are taking the high road. Really, in any relationship worth its salt, so are most women. And that's also kind of the point. Both partners are trying to give their best of the relationship. I've heard it described as "it's not you give 50% and they give 50%. It's that you both give 100% to the relationship and feel the other partner is doing the same". (this is really what you hear in locker rooms... she does this thing that's kind of funny that might annoy me,… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/22 03:28 AM |
| 1 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up".Thanks. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/22 02:01 AM |
| 1 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up".I hope that was OK, I wasn't sure what the protocol was. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/22 01:55 AM |
| 30 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up"Being the stable "rock" in a relationship is the original emotional labor. Putting up with nagging and "mood swings" is also emotional labor. Forgiving and always being there for someone (with the tools and knowledge to fix things) is emotional labor. And that's always been the traditional male gender norm, not the female one. I feel this one deeply in my relationship, and so much more (I don't want to be overly descriptive. The summary is that she's suffered through a lot of childhood trauma, a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/22 01:23 AM |
| 16 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up"Re-adding mine: The point you raise about emotional labour is very apt. It is, as you say, a double bind. If men's mental health is worse because they take this all on and don't open up about it, doesn't that, by default, also mean they're taking on a tonne of unacknowledged emotional labour? I also agree it is a very transactional way of looking at things. When I've tried to be there for other people, even strangers, it hasn't been because I expected something of them, it's because I felt it wa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/07/22 12:07 AM |
| 2 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up".And I don't think you should think about this post as "... just a means of addressing my own feelings." In some ways, all we talk about here and in other subs are just means to address our own feelings. And one of the consequences of feminism is the introduction of emotions into political situations. So everything you said here was said in the right place. Don't try to think otherwise. I realise this post got deleted (I've reposted, hopefully the fixed link works), but thank you for this, I appr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/07/22 09:36 PM |
| 3 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up".The point you raise about emotional labour is very apt. It is, as you say, a double bind. If men's mental health is worse because they take this all on and don't open up about it, doesn't that, by default, also mean they're taking on a tonne of unacknowledged emotional labour? I also agree it is very transactional. When I've tried to be there for other people, even strangers, it hasn't been because I expected something of them, it's because I felt it was the right thing to do as a human being. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/07/22 09:34 PM |
| 1 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up".Does that work? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/07/22 07:42 PM |
| 5 | Help me understand rhetoric surrounding men emotionally "opening up".I don't believe that this is something necessarily ingrained in women (or men). But I do believe that feminist rhetoric around the idea of how "men's emotions" should be expressed is quite frankly, confused, and comes from a place of opposition, not help. They maintain that men don't open up about their emotions, which leads to bad mental health, and simultaneously hold that the action of opening up is men pressing their emotional problems on women and forcing them to do emotional labour. They t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/07/22 06:44 PM |
| 31 | How to best support you.Not rude at all. It's always a nice thing for people to ask. So my question is, how can we, as women, best support you? How can we make you feel more comfortable and equal in a society that paints men in this kind of way? In truth I'm sure a lot of people probably have a lot of different opinions on this. At a most basic level: I'd just recommend listening (within reason, regardless of male or female, you always keep a mind towards your own emotional well-being and needs first) when someone in y… | /r/MensRights | 13/07/22 09:40 AM |
| 9 | Let's not let this sub be anything like r/TwoXChromosomes.an extremist I encountered here last week who classified "all women" as enemies of men's rights You are deliberately mischaracterising his posts looking for a "gotcha" proof of what Zubcci said. Well I'm not buying. Nowhere did he say "all women", much less "killallwomen". And in his subsequent reply to you he said as such. not every woman True, but enough women are like that to make it a problem. That's a big reason why RvW abortion was legal for decades while paper abortion was not. You're usi… | /r/MensRights | 30/06/22 11:20 PM |
| 1 | The sex strike is actually goodHow many more national holidays and speeches and moments of silence do people need to make before you think anyone cares about this? Do they look at it from a sex discrimination perspective? No. But it's one of the most cared about topics in society. Words are cheap, and political tools for other ends. And are also a drop in the bucket compared the the resources spent to send those men to die in the first place. The rhetoric isn't to "care" for them, it's to make them honoured martyrs to the cau… | /r/MensRights | 28/06/22 12:49 PM |
| 3 | As a woman, what can I do to be more supportive towards men?If nothing else, I will credit you for being open minded and willing to hear and understand. That is genuinely a rare thing. Most people live in a binary, black and white world. They pick a side and the other side is the enemy. Really there's room for a lot more nuance than that. Personally I actually agree with feminists on a lot of stuff. I just can't become an ally on things I agree with when the rhetoric directed at men is so hostile. | /r/MensRights | 24/06/22 09:04 AM |
| 10 | Ever notice how feminists like to gaslight men?There was a thread recently by a woman asking how she can support the men in her life more, and her disappointment with the pushback and upset she got from MRA's when she said that. At around that time she also posted a similar thread in Feminism subreddit just generally talking about impressions of men and the sexism she had received. It's incredible. They started off liking her, but once she started disagreeing with them (literally all she said was things like "I wouldn't say men in general su… | /r/MensRights | 24/06/22 08:54 AM |
| 46 | Proposed Title IX regulations would roll back essential free speech, due process protections for college studentsThis is insanity. Colleges should not be investigating crimes. And then giving themselves the powers of the Star Chamber! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/06/22 12:36 AM |
| 20 | TIL about an 1898 speech given by prominent feminist Rebecca L. Felton that justified the lynching of black men on the basis of false rape accusationsTill should have had a fair trial, but there's no proof at all that he's innocent. Proof that he's innocent? The standard is proof of guilt. Even on the presumption of him being guilty, what exactly do you think he was guilty of? | /r/MensRights | 24/06/22 12:29 AM |
| 4 | Things college students accused of sexual assault should know.EDIT: I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice. ALWAYS seek out a lawyer. However I have some things to add that all broadly fall under the same category. Which is: DOCUMENT. EVERYTHING. If you have records of where you were, where you weren't. Get them, print them, store them. Before they could potentially be accessed and changed. Make your own notes, diaries. Every form of documentation of what you did and where is another item they have to account for in making up their story. STORE ALL CO… | /r/MensRights | 23/06/22 11:47 PM |
| 3 | As a woman, what can I do to be more supportive towards men?Incidentally, I saw your equivalent thread in AskFeminists. It is very telling to me that as long as they agreed with you you were fine, but once you started saying things like "not all men are bad" they outright started removing your posts. You may or may not be aware of this since your posts will still show up to you. But if you log out or look at the thread from another account, you'll not that a few of your posts are outright missing from the main thread. So I don't know. You may get downvot… | /r/MensRights | 23/06/22 09:47 PM |
| 3 | To the feminists here that are constantly trying to shit on men having equal rights… why?But I believe that if you really love someone, you will believe them. So I no longer look for "love" in women. It's not worth much, since it's so goddamn flimsy. If someone else can sabatoge it, I really dont want it. Kind of agree, kind of don't. If it can be easily sabotaged by a 3rd party then as you say, it probably wasn't worth much. At the same time I do believe that in a loving relationship where the two people trust and fight for each other (and more importantly, trust themselves and the… | /r/MensRights | 23/06/22 09:27 PM |
| 3 | To the feminists here that are constantly trying to shit on men having equal rights… why?Well I can't fault you for your thought processes and admission that at the end, we're all biased towards some things. I was just trying to point out to her that effectively, the natural path of her thought processes is that she would be taking the word of a complete stranger over her own father that she viewed as a "perfect man". If that's the case, what chance does anyone have against accusations? The feminist view of men has become so tainted at that point that her own beloved father, whom sh… | /r/MensRights | 23/06/22 06:48 PM |
| 2 | To the feminists here that are constantly trying to shit on men having equal rights… why?Sorry you got downvoted to hell, but if something similar was said on r/askfeminists, we wouldn't tolerate it and the user would be shadowbanned. This literally happened to me, which is part of why I started seeking out other places to ask, so thank you for saying this. It's long been known but they'll deny it every time. So I know I'm going to be accused of being full of crap and that I must have said something vile to be not just banned but shadowbanned. Feel free to judge for yourself, this i… | /r/MensRights | 23/06/22 01:37 PM |
| 13 | As a woman, what can I do to be more supportive towards men?I have been chewed out by people in the past by commenting that not all men are x. Now I just avoid speaking about it either way because I dont know what's right or wrong. I want to be an ally to all misjustices but its a hard thing to abide by. I feel like I'm being torn in 2 by both sides. I can understand the insincerity, I will say I'm certainly not guilty of such horrid things so perhaps subconsciously it is insincere as there is nothing I am apologising for, but it is not with any maliciou… | /r/MensRights | 23/06/22 10:13 AM |
| 27 | As a woman, what can I do to be more supportive towards men?Being held accountable for other's actions is something that a lot of people here are very aware of, because it's done to them all the time. Men are rapists, men are abusers, men are scum etc. It's what feminists get wrong when someone then responds "not all men". They feel it's a way of trying to dismiss the facts of the crimes and injustices that are happening and they are experiencing. But the truth is nobody likes to be accused of something they did not do. So when a feminist says stuff like… | /r/MensRights | 23/06/22 09:38 AM |
| 91 | As a woman, what can I do to be more supportive towards men?I can appreciate your sentiments, compassion is rare in the modern age, and it's commendable to show it. I offered multiple apologies for this awful "man up" stigma men were subjected to and assumed it would be a positive experience. It wasn't taken very well and I got a lot of replies/ messages telling me I was a liar I was full of s***, im trying to manipulate them etc. I also got called a "pick me" which I've just discovered the meaning of. A few men i had a pleasant discussion with but it wa… | /r/MensRights | 23/06/22 09:11 AM |
| 20 | To the feminists here that are constantly trying to shit on men having equal rights… why?Occasionally some slip through. There's one in this thread saying women have no humanity left. But on the whole you're right. Indeed. And it was deleted so fast nobody even had time to screenshot it and make an outrage bait post to the feminism subreddit. So to me that's pretty indicative. Meanwhile, I could easily make a post titled "Men have no humanity" on TwoX and any feminist subreddit and I'm pretty sure it'd stay up. I doubt even the hardcore feminists would disagree with me on this one. | /r/MensRights | 23/06/22 02:19 AM |
| 46 | To the feminists here that are constantly trying to shit on men having equal rights… why?Is that so? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/10/french-writer-book-pauline-harmange-i-hate-men-interview https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-cant-we-hate-men/2018/06/08/f1a3a8e0-6451-11e8-a69c-b944de66d9e7_story.html https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/philosophy/men-are-trash-philosophy-dating-hate-speech https://everydayfeminism.com/2016/10/yes-actually-it-is-all-men/ I mean these aren't exactly fringe outlets. Even so, there's actually a very easy way to prove this out. Make … | /r/MensRights | 23/06/22 12:07 AM |
| 5 | Men have the right to have boundaries in a relationship without being labeled as “controlling”I think a lot of the virtues that have been valued for thousands of years, modesty being one of them, are suddenly being discarded for silly reasons. Modesty, humility, gentleness.. these things are somehow seen as weak now. Even self control and patience aren't as valued as much as they used to be. We've got a lot of things backwards. These are things that cannot be quantified, and so they're no longer seen as valued. You can't quantify a person's humbleness, or their modesty. The concept of pe… | /r/MensRights | 22/06/22 10:38 PM |
| 2 | Daily Reminder: Its just sexist and evil objectification when men do itI guess I could add that if you need. I thought from context it was obvious I wasn't trying to specifically exclude anything, and no, I don't think "all women work the same". To jump off from your comment though, It's not exactly a scandalous idea to begin with, generally men have been happy playing women in games since before Ms. Pac-Man. If the player character's sex was an issue I don't think Metroid could have become one of Nintendo's core franchises, and Lara Croft wouldn't have become a po… | /r/MensRights | 22/06/22 10:00 PM |
| 37 | Daily Reminder: Its just sexist and evil objectification when men do itTwo things: 1- Clearly women also fantasise about being cute / beautiful (EDIT: or a man. Or even anything else a game allows you to be). 2- Personally I never fantasised about being a walking fridge like a Gears COG. Actually I'm not sure who I'd class as the most "handsome" man I've seen in a game. Most have seemed fairly generic short cut stubble action dude. | /r/MensRights | 22/06/22 04:46 PM |
| 6 | I love how girls shout "Happy Fathers Day" on their Social Media but display misandry against their male peersYou can't become a well adjusted and nurturing father if you're constantly being berated as trash whilst you're growing up. At the least, it makes it far more difficult to become such a person. This is something that feminists rarely get when they constantly trash talk anyone that could be an ally. | /r/MensRights | 21/06/22 10:21 AM |
| 35 | oh jeeeeeeezusTo me, femininity was connected to empathy and kindness while masculinity equated to being frigid. Men didn’t hug. Men didn’t say I love you. Men were angry. Aggressive. Inept as parents. Contrast with... My father was never afraid to blur boundaries. I was hugged frequently and told I love you. He, too, despised sports, but loved watching Hallmark movies with my mom. After his employees started selling home-manicure sets as a side hustle, my father spent nights sitting at the kitchen counter be… | /r/MensRights | 19/06/22 11:17 AM |
| 12 | To the feminist at work. And in all other parts of my life.Pov: he only listen to women when they prove his point For one, he specifically said "feminists", not women. For another, you don't seem to be doing much to disprove his point right now. After all, all you appear to be saying is "Not All Women". There's a distinct irony in that. | /r/MensRights | 19/06/22 10:24 AM |
| 7 | To the feminist at work. And in all other parts of my life.Your days of being treated better are over Funny. And sad. Look, I know your intention was to come here and get your "Yaaas Kweeen Slay!" on at those evil scrotes, but since you're here, why not engage a little? Go ahead, make a thread, detail what your views are. I assure you, unlike the average feminist reddit, your thread won't be deleted (unless you go full-tilt dismissal, personal insults and rage-bait. But I suspect that's not your intent). The people in the thread will likely debate your … | /r/MensRights | 19/06/22 10:00 AM |
| 16 | To the feminist at work. And in all other parts of my life.Oh I'm sorry, are we casting for worst case scenarios? Then no. Mens fear with feminists is that they'll end up abused, assaulted, accused, and disbelieved that any of the above is possible. Probably in prison since incarceration rates are several times more than that for women. Less fear of direct death, more fear of having the rest of your existence be a tortured Kafkaesque nightmare where everyone believes you're a monster by default. Kind of like what you apparently believe given your "venom… | /r/MensRights | 19/06/22 09:38 AM |
| 22 | To the feminist at work. And in all other parts of my life.So in your analogy, literally half of all men are trying to kill you. Would that be accurate? No wonder you don't feel safe. If I may ask a question of my own, do you have any men in your personal life? Are they aware that you live in existential terror of them, like say, a person cast amongst a pit of angry venomous snakes? | /r/MensRights | 19/06/22 09:27 AM |
| 6 | Radical Feminist Mom Requesting HelpI'm going to make a recommendation that's not to do with MRA (or feminist) talking points, but I've found the blog "parenting science" incredibly informative. https://parentingscience.com/ It is as it says, about the science of development. One great thing about this site is that it devotes a lot of time to the emotional wellbeing of your child, which I feel is an MRA talking point when it comes to boys. Like just under the "Growing Up" section they've got the titles like: Defiance & aggression,… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/06/22 09:26 PM |
| 10 | Woman blames "the patriarchy" for getting drunk.Oh man, I'm sorry, but after reading that, I'm going to get so very snide. In it, writer Kristi Coulter makes a deft and passionate argument that modern women drink to excess to escape the realities of living in a still-too-sexist world. "I see that booze is the oil in our motors, the thing that keeps us purring when we should be making other kinds of noise," writes Coulter, who is now sober. Wow. Unable to cope without booze. So we're talking about that "still too sexist world. You know, I ackn… | /r/MensRights | 18/06/22 01:44 PM |
| 1 | Toxic MasculinityNever knew it was harmful for them. But yes, some of these traits and rituals do not (as far as we can see) directly tie into survival on their own. But they're still used as selection criteria. I can't imagine how much practical enhancement to survivability a beautiful and spirited dance showcases, but it's something that the female actively selects for. Why? Who knows. It certainly wasn't humans who said went to the female and said "that male has a good beak for opening hard shelled fruit, but… | /r/MensRights | 18/06/22 12:06 PM |
| 2 | Toxic MasculinityNot at all. You were saying that women are "taught" certain masculine traits are desirable. I find that extremely reductive, and so do a lot of people. u/Viesegel then said that Animals have preferences, so who teaches them (basically suggesting, these things are innate)? You said that animals don't conform to gender (sex) norms. I pointed out that animals do have such norms, and these are used as criteria for picking mates. Some are related to survival and fitness (fighting, gathering, crafting… | /r/MensRights | 17/06/22 08:54 PM |
| 1 | Toxic MasculinityWhat does morality matter to an Albatross or a Grouse? Viesegel said that animals have preferences. You said that animals don't prefer partners that conform to gender norms. I'm going to presume that we're using Gender as a synonym for Sex in this instance (otherwise we run into all sorts of issues trying to separate gender from sex in animals). Is that acceptable? So that said, on the contrary, morality or not, they have mating preferences that very heavily conform to gender (sex) norms across … | /r/MensRights | 17/06/22 05:52 PM |
| 1 | Was called misogynist at work this week for keeping my door open when alone with girls and women.I thought it was official policy as well, but I've been reading mixed things on it. From what I can tell I think whether it's an official school "rule" varies from school to school | /r/MensRights | 17/06/22 12:21 PM |
| 5 | Girls lied about being abused by father after being prompted by female social workers.I can't really make that judgement. The social worker then contacted the police, who called in the mother for questioning. The children's mother repeatedly told the police that her husband was "not that sort of person" and that the children were lying, the court was told. That's not throwing the kids under the bus. If she knows the kids and knew they were lying then she's going to say that. Again, I can easily see the parents being screwed up. Happens all the time. However I don't have context t… | /r/MensRights | 16/06/22 11:29 AM |
| 6 | Girls lied about being abused by father after being prompted by female social workers.I agree that this doesn't appear to indicate any wrongdoing on the social workers' part. It's their job to investigate abuse claims seriously and take them seriously. Where I disagree is that there's any evidence in the article that the (step-)parents were unnecessarily harsh on the children instead of trying to enforce appropriate boundaries. "Strict" is a relative term, we have no context for what that actual means here, nor what actions prompted enforcement. Anger and resentment, on their own… | /r/MensRights | 16/06/22 10:44 AM |
| 16 | Girls lied about being abused by father after being prompted by female social workers.These kids felt desperately unhappy enough to cook all this up and try and use the system to get step-dad ejected from the family home. Mum is clearly giving zero fucks about them if it puts her new relationship at risk (this is how many kids get abused, btw, even if not in this case). Step dad is laying down old testament level law on kids that aren't his and who obviously resent him for it... it's a perfect storm, waiting to happen. From the article: Testifying via videoconferencing today, the… | /r/MensRights | 16/06/22 10:13 AM |
| 2 | Toxic MasculinityOr at least watch a nature documentary. | /r/MensRights | 16/06/22 08:47 AM |
| 21 | it's hard to tell if alot of the nonsense that we see in feminism is here to stay or if it's just young women who haven't gotten past us vs them yet and will overcome this in the future.It's trite, but it reminds me of a quote from Zootopia: Nick: "I learned two things that day. One: I was never gonna let anyone see that they got to me." Judy: "And two?" Nick: "If the world's only gonna see a fox as shifty and untrustworthy, there's no point in trying to be anything else." We can accept that this kind of internalisation happens. With people of different colour, different nations, different faiths. When we repeatedly call boys trash, and say kill all men, and talk about how toxi… | /r/MensRights | 16/06/22 08:45 AM |
| 3 | Toxic MasculinityYou are free to argue against the paper I quoted in response to Yamochao. It is titled "Problematising ‘Toxic’ and ‘Healthy’ Masculinity for Addressing Gender Inequalities", Andrea Waling. She is not an MRA, she is a feminist, and is giving very much a left and feminist critique of toxic masculinity as a concept. But it is certainly no strawman. | /r/MensRights | 16/06/22 08:11 AM |
| 5 | Toxic MasculinitySo Wikipedia right? Feminist Criticism The concept of toxic masculinity has been criticized from a feminist perspective. Andrea Waling and Michael Salter have argued that the concept of "toxic masculinity" in contradistinction to "healthy masculinity" emerged from a misunderstanding of Raewyn Connell's 1987 work on hegemonic masculinity.[33]: 366 [1] To Waling, "toxic masculinity" is problematic because it presents men as victims of an unavoidable pathology,[33]: 368 an essentialist approach tha… | /r/MensRights | 16/06/22 07:22 AM |
| 90 | Was called misogynist at work this week for keeping my door open when alone with girls and women.True, but that doesn't mean you make it easy for them. Were someone of that intention, this is one less avenue through which they can accuse you of impropriety. EDIT: This is another pertinent thread. Take your precautions. https://np.reddit.com/r/Teachers/comments/65o13a/how_common_are_teachers_accused_of_intimate/ | /r/MensRights | 16/06/22 12:52 AM |
| 444 | Was called misogynist at work this week for keeping my door open when alone with girls and women.I thought this was pretty standard known policy for male teachers. Never be closed door when there's only one female student / staff member there with you. https://np.reddit.com/r/Teachers/comments/otg3yp/male_teachers_of_reddit_what_are_some_unspoken/ | /r/MensRights | 16/06/22 12:31 AM |
| 7 | Toxic Masculinityi doubt other animals prefer partners that conform to gender norms, because their understanding of gender is way less developed or even non existant. You're kidding right? Animals from across species have many, varied and exorbitant mating rituals, from dances, to singing, to fighting to building, all in service to being accepted as mate. And they are judged by those criteria, those are their "norms". As far as animals go, the selection criteria is the gender norm, and the females of those speci… | /r/MensRights | 15/06/22 11:17 PM |
| 4 | Toxic MasculinityFirst, I want to offer my condolences. Sincerely. And second, I want to apologise, this is a big topic, and it's going to be long. It's never easy going down those dark paths, and a lot of us have been there, and can relate. The feelings that you're worthless or a failure, that you may as well just end it. And that you can't trust either yourself to open up, or that you aren't being "weak" or "a burden" for trying to do so. And ending it seems like the most rational choice for the sake of everyo… | /r/MensRights | 15/06/22 10:22 PM |
| 8 | Male birth control pill lowers testosterone without side-effectsDon't know why you're being downvoted, it's true. For the longest time Hormonal Birth Control was seen as having little or no side-effects (and if you tried to question this you were against women's liberation and wanted them chained to the kitchen sink and pregnant, or something). The pharmaceutical industry pushed it as the best way for women to "take control" of their reproductive choices. Today it's coming more and more into light just how bad it can be. It's not without its benefits (some w… | /r/MensRights | 15/06/22 04:07 PM |
| 3 | Why are men failing in school and why do these men always blame society for everything?I believe the woman you're referring to is Erin Pizzey. She established the first women's domestic violence shelter in the world. Soon after establishing her first refuge, Pizzey asserted that much of the domestic violence was reciprocal.[22]: 82 She reached this conclusion when she asked the women in her refuge about their violence, only to discover most of them were equally violent or more violent than their husbands. In her study "Comparative Study of Battered Women And Violence-Prone Women,"… | /r/MensRights | 15/06/22 11:57 AM |
| 1 | Bit of a theory (with personal experience) as to why some men in blue collar jobs don’t seek help.This is where my theory comes in, many men in blue collar jobs don’t get mental help because their afraid, it’s because they believe they aren’t important enough to warrant a burden upon their co workers for being absent to get help or slow down production. Overall, I think asshole bosses, inherent difficulties with feeling worthy and a collapsing world are why many blue collar men don’t seek help. I would tend to agree this is an important factor. A little compassion goes a long way. And this a… | /r/MensRights | 15/06/22 11:30 AM |
| 2 | Why are men failing in school and why do these men always blame society for everything?So to stay with on example here, fatherlessness shall translate for boys to engaging less in school but not for girls (or less for girls). Otherwise this factor could not explain a difference between boys and girls. Do you really believe that? The research suggests that it has a disproportionate affect (see my other post for details). Are there problems for kids without a second parent? Sure. Do those problems translate to not engaging in school? And that only for boys or more for boys. I don’t … | /r/MensRights | 15/06/22 10:28 AM |
| 1 | Why are men failing in school and why do these men always blame society for everything?But let’s stay on topic here…..you guys say those are reasons for boys engaging less/doing worse in school. If we're sticking with the topic of fatherlessness on boys, statistically yes. It has a disproportionate affect on boys compared to girls. This is something that extends far beyond "explaining morning boners". It's a very in-depth topic of academic discussion. This is the first one I came across on a quick google, but it was interesting reading the actual report (linked PDF on the page). h… | /r/MensRights | 15/06/22 09:32 AM |
| 14 | A female co-worker threatened me and is trying to get me firedI'm sorry to hear that bro. It's fine to vent sometimes so feel free. That said, I'm not quite sure this is specifically an MRA issue. They moved me to the other building again. I asked why am I being moved and not her. He said it was because there were no supervisors there and they didn’t trust her with no supervision. He also told me that the day before this all started, she was already in trouble for abandoning her post. My co-workers think she’s lashing out at me because she’s going to be fi… | /r/MensRights | 15/06/22 08:19 AM |
| 2 | Why are men failing in school and why do these men always blame society for everything?I'm sorry, I got confused and thought I was talking to the same person. That's on me. Let me change the post and leave in where I actually address what you said and leave out the cruft. EDIT: Done. | /r/MensRights | 15/06/22 08:03 AM |
| 2 | Why are men failing in school and why do these men always blame society for everything?Why is comparison with girls even necessary in order to hold a discussion about why boys are failing at school and behaving antisocially? In answer to the question though, it's necessary because as you said, there are differences. And it's worth looking at the context for those differences. EDIT: Edited because I confused who I was addressing. | /r/MensRights | 15/06/22 07:55 AM |
| 2 | Why are men failing in school and why do these men always blame society for everything?Serious question: do you believe that girls are not effected by those circumstances? Or less effected? That's a fair question. I believe that boys and girls are sometimes affected by the same situations but may (for one reason or another) react differently. And in others are either affected differently or possibly even socialised differently. I do not believe that boys and girls (in general terms, plenty of overlap) inherently have the same social structures amongst themselves (whether this is s… | /r/MensRights | 15/06/22 07:23 AM |
| 0 | Men’s Rights and FeminismYou seem to be determined to defend feminists posting their bad faith feminism here with walls of text. Why is that? You posted questions. I answered them. My "walls" of text are well spaced responses to individual points you wanted to make (as you yourself started off) and (I feel) clearly written. Feel free to address which ones you could not parse and we can discuss them some more if you require. I have also done no defense of bad faith argumentation, and made a reasonable case for why OP has… | /r/MensRights | 15/06/22 07:06 AM |
| 1 | Men’s Rights and FeminismWTF are you on about? The 'debate' is about what they posted. EOS. I believe you said: If we dont then we're incels, misogynists, and sexist for not supporting feminism. The OP never accused you of this. Largely because it looks like they came here to get an alternate perspective. There was nothing disrespectful in OP's post. They had a perspective, it doesn't match up with a lot of perspectives here. And that's fine, you don't make peace with your allies, and you don't need to debate someone wh… | /r/MensRights | 14/06/22 11:54 PM |
| 26 | In your opinion, what feminist propagated myths/propaganda create the biggest obstacles in achieving equal rights for men?The belief that the vast majority, if not all men, are the enemy, hostile, seeking to harm women, or (least objectionably) worthless. If you put this statement to the average feminist directly, they will vehemently deny that this is their belief (the more hardcore feminists though, they accept this is their viewpoint, and have no issues saying as such. So due credit for honesty at least). However their actions and words, and the very nature of acceptance of Patriarchy as status quo, completely u… | /r/MensRights | 14/06/22 08:20 PM |
| 1 | Men’s Rights and FeminismThey are. They're posted here nearly daily, and with the same 'modus operandi' that if only we stopped criticising feminism and feminists, and 'joined together' to support feminism, we'll 'advance' the cause of men's rights. If we dont then we're incels, misogynists, and sexist for not supporting feminism. The participant in question didn't accuse you of anything as far as I've seen No, it's not worthwhile, when we have to do this over and over again, nearly every day. And most often the OP neve… | /r/MensRights | 14/06/22 08:06 PM |
| 1 | Men’s Rights and FeminismIgnore the messages. Unfortunately there's nasty people all over the internet. I do believe that you're posting in good faith, and it's always appreciated when someone wants to learn another perspective on things for themselves. It's a valuable trait to have, and I hope that you keep hold of it, even when sometimes aren't always the most welcoming. | /r/MensRights | 13/06/22 03:11 PM |
| 6 | Men’s Rights and FeminismI do not believe these are bad faith posts. Even on the presumption that they are, it's actually very worthwhile to address the arguments fluently and directly. Actively shouting down and censoring is what happens in the main feminist subreddits. At least here, even if the participant was trying to be hostile, it's still possible to discuss actual points and create an honest debate. At the very least, even if no minds are changed, people can see there was good faith effort to explain perspective… | /r/MensRights | 13/06/22 01:38 PM |
| 3 | Patriarchal violence explaining all domestic violence?You will only see the posts that haven't been blocked by moderation. However reddit still counts all posts made under the comments number. Which means over 75% of all posts under that topic were outright banned. How can anyone have any kind of discussion? Because I'd be willing to guess a fair few of those blocked posts were from feminists as well. | /r/MensRights | 13/06/22 01:25 PM |
| 7 | [META] Allying with women will improve men's rights.the feminist movement has a huge problem with dismissing abuse committed against men for a ton of complicated reasons. It's not that complicated. Fundamentally, all abuse is viewed within the framework of power, those who have it and those who don't. Under the Patriarchy, women are the powerless and men hold the power. It is therefore definitionally impossible for a woman of her own volition to be the abuser in a relationship. On the extraordinarily (imperceptibly small, really you're just straw… | /r/MensRights | 13/06/22 01:19 AM |
| 3 | [META] Allying with women will improve men's rights.Thanks for the comment, i definitely think you made some really good points, and Ill take you up on the challenge to go make a post on a feminist sub. Well, good luck you crazy dude. I'll be rooting for you. | /r/MensRights | 13/06/22 12:58 AM |
| 25 | Patriarchal violence explaining all domestic violence?I saw that post. For those wondering, it's currently the top post there, and is titled "Domestic violence". Which as the thread classifies "the more accurate term for domestic violence is patriarchal violence because it reminds us that violence in the home is directly connected to male domination". - bell hooks bell hooks is without doubt one of modern feminisms most celebrated authors. It's worth remembering whenever the discussion of domestic violence comes up. Because in any discussion on the… | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 10:59 PM |
| 2 | [META] Allying with women will improve men's rights.People will deny it, but internet subcultures in general have gotten a lot more harsh and oppositional as time has gone on. There's very little interest in honest and amicable discussion. Anger and rage rule the roost, it's a lot more satisfying (in the short term) to participate in. Heck, I remember the early days when "trolling" meant something different to today, something you actually put effort into, and not just yelling angrily at each other. | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 10:46 PM |
| 4 | [META] Allying with women will improve men's rights.TwoX? Honestly when it first started out it just used to be about general women's issues and casual conversation. Feminism was a part of it, but it was largely a place for women to hang out and geek out about different things. Hair colour, games, DIY, crafts, nerd culture, clothes, what my boyfriend / SO did, rants and raves about hygiene products, crappy fitting undergarments and where to get comfortable fits. Hit up WayBackMachine and look at the archives for the front page of TwoXChromosomes … | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 10:38 PM |
| 5 | [META] Allying with women will improve men's rights.i basically said that its not that men haven’t supported feminism, but that men have not been involved in directing the movement, which has led to it neglecting the needs of men Feminist movements exist to propagate for advocates for feminist and women's issues. Men CANNOT direct the power of feminist movements. Most feminists would fight you on the very idea. A mans role within feminist organisation, is to shut up, listen, and follow the women's lead. This again is not controversial. If you don… | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 10:27 PM |
| 6 | [META] Allying with women will improve men's rights.Finally, i dont say follow 2X because it is a good sub that will make you a better person if you agree with what they say. I also think 2X is a pretty bad subreddit, but it is an insight into the way that women perceive mens rights and the patriarchy And this is a huge problem. I do not see how you can claim yourself to be a feminist or feminist ally when you consider TwoX bad, because it's not even a default feminist sub. TwoX is regarded as the least heavy duty of all feminist subreddits. From… | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 10:09 PM |
| 5 | [META] Allying with women will improve men's rights.Another quick one: If you want to argue against the toxic elements of feminism, it's very important to understand the core goal of the ideology, so that you can point out the contradictions that you are seeing. And understanding that the core goal of women's and men's rights is the same will enhance your ability to address irresponsible behavior from both halves of the movement. Would that be 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th wave feminism? Lib feminism or Rad feminism? Sex positive feminism? SWERF feminism… | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 08:41 PM |
| 12 | [META] Allying with women will improve men's rights.There's a lot to unpack here, but one thing that screams out to me is this: Feminism has been historically out of touch with the male experience of patriarchy, especially nowadays, but that's not because all feminists hate men, its because men have not been historically involved with feminist action I do not buy that. At all. So to begin with, we're going to use your definition here: patriarchy is a hierarchical structure by which a traditionally male ruling class maintains order in society usin… | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 08:35 PM |
| 3 | Intimate Partner Violence and abuse and mental health - Looking for participantsThank you for understanding my questions and taking the time to respond. I truly appreciate it, and feel like I have a better understanding of your objectives. | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 05:38 PM |
| 7 | Intimate Partner Violence and abuse and mental health - Looking for participantsThat... really doesn't answer what I asked. The people most likely to have negative self image and potentially correspondent mental health issues are the ones that have been abused, but you actually don't want them to participate. EDIT: To be clear, I do feel like the intention was good (protecting people from questions that may make them feel uncomfortable), but I do feel like you're excluding the most likely candidates for that kind of correlation. Being in an MRA forum, people are usually ade… | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 04:48 PM |
| 7 | WW3 will change everything, or at least I think so!!One of the things that decreased racial discrimination was war Eh. War potentially reduces discrimination on your side. It sure as hell increases it across opposing sides. Japan still has sour relationships and racial tensions with China and Korea for the horrible things that Imperial Japan did during WW2 and largely refuses to acknowledge today. Even in the US there was plenty of discrimination during that time, the internment camps are a particular sore spot, racial rhetoric ramped up in propa… | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 04:26 PM |
| 1 | "Talking to boys about being a boy"So much to unpack in this article. The problem is my boys and their friends are lovely, sweet and not at all toxic. Why would I start a conversation with my boys about "boyness" on such a critical note? Doing so might result in silencing or shaming my sons for behaviors or traits they don't have. There's a distinct irony here. This very line of thought is impossible to use in any feminist circle. That may sound hyperbolic, but it is very true. The moment you suggest that "these negative traits a… | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 04:16 PM |
| 13 | Intimate Partner Violence and abuse and mental health - Looking for participants"First, I strongly recommend that anyone who has experienced, or who has been severely impacted by episodes of domestic violence, do not participate in this study. " Doesn't that already colour the results? I mean you're posting to a mens rights forum and literally telling anyone who has suffered abuse that they shouldn't take part. | /r/MensRights | 12/06/22 03:18 PM |
| 1 | I've never really made a post, but I am just soooo effing tired of it all... I don't see a way out, or how things can get better. Advice would help, I hope.It's hard to have a constructive conversation with anyone when they're wounded, I've seen that in both feminists and MRA's. That's part of the problem. Everyone has been hurt, and when you're hurt you can only see your own pain. And someone else saying "well it's not quite like that" often comes across as dismissing their pain Personally, I've found most success in first acknowledging the other person's feelings, understanding that they have been hurt, and then discussing how it the events affec… | /r/MensRights | 09/06/22 04:23 PM |
| 2 | I've never really made a post, but I am just soooo effing tired of it all... I don't see a way out, or how things can get better. Advice would help, I hope.Thank you for taking the time to respond. I'm sorry it's taken me a few days, I've been busy. To get to the crux of the matter, you say this: Women in his life are not explicitly telling him that he is evil. They are telling him that the patriarchal system we live in is evil. I find it hard to square that away with what he wrote: What I am NOT okay with is this constant, pathological insistience that we men are still the "privileged" sex & that we should always stfu & never complain, and if we d… | /r/MensRights | 07/06/22 10:12 PM |
| 8 | Not all masculinity is ‘toxic’ | The Spectatordefinition of “toxic masculinity”: behaviors that are designed to perform masculinity (meaning they are meant to signal to oneself and or others that one is, indeed, a man) that materially, negatively impact on one’s life expectancy or the life expectancies of others. And right from the start we have a problem. Because the definition is at least partly circular. Surely you can see that? The definition of masculinity is 'behaviours that are masculine' (which you define as "behaviours that signal … | /r/MensRights | 01/06/22 02:58 PM |
| 10 | Not all masculinity is ‘toxic’ | The SpectatorMasculinity in itself is a poorly defined term. At its base it's a rough set off behaviours, characteristics and thoughts that can stereotypically be attributed men. But there's very little definitive in it. Which is a problem because you can then basically ascribe anything negative to it and then say "this is toxic masculinity". And you can't contest the idea because well, masculinity has no set parameters. It varies tremendously on perceptions, background, society, upbringing, general moral vi… | /r/MensRights | 01/06/22 02:12 PM |
| 8 | I've never really made a post, but I am just soooo effing tired of it all... I don't see a way out, or how things can get better. Advice would help, I hope.You seem to be approaching this post in an honest attempt at discourse, so let me ask you some honest questions. In what respect in the MRM "dragging" this innocent person anywhere? He specifically stated that he had no experience of it before, and actively stays away from anything political. In what way was he was "sucked in" by the crazies? Because part of the problem is that his own personal experience is that the women in his own life are explicitly telling him that he's scum. Evil. Repeated… | /r/MensRights | 01/06/22 09:42 AM |
| 5 | Young men's experiences of abuse in couple relationshipsOutside the age range, or else I would apply. And the answer is definitively yes. Our counsellor literally said to me time in an individual session that "If you inflicted these behaviours on her, nobody would question that it was abuse. Why are you doubting it because it's happening to you?" Opened my eyes. And before anyone suggests otherwise, our counsellor was a woman as well. | /r/MensRights | 01/06/22 01:40 AM |
| 11 | Why do so many of you see feminists as your opponents?I don't think I have ever heard a feminist attribute a serious problem in society to MRAs specifically, I kind of agree with you and at the same time have to take issue with this statement. Because feminists don't limit themselves to attributing societal problems to MRA's only, societal problems are attributed to men. Collectively. Here's a simple test for you if you don't believe this. Go to any feminist subreddit. Feminism, FourthWaveWomen, WitchesVSPatriarchy, even go to TwoXChromosomes. And … | /r/MensRights | 01/06/22 12:35 AM |
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