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Ok. How do we get groups of people who don't like or respect each other to have empathy for each other? It's tricky, but I think metamodernism, which involves challenging and updating our personal and cultural narratives, is a good start to get us out of these unhelpful repeating loops we're stuck in.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 09:43 AM
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He and are about the same age. I lived a college life of parties and drugs too, and we had our fun. Does that make me a bad person, because liked drinking and doing drugs? Of course not. Does that make him a good person because he abstained from all of that? Of course not. Goodness is not a measure of how little you party. Easy: good people don't support illicit drug dealers or waste their time and money on selfish hedonism like drinking and partying. So yes, someone who abstains from that and u…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 10:38 PM
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This kinda stuff is so intriguing to me as someone who’s been getting into modern philosophy but I can’t help but feel like it’s falling on deaf ears in a subreddit like this. You're not wrong, though I write it for the people I am able to reach, such as yourself. Though I find a lot of what I share here does surprisingly well received given the diverse range of people who visit here. Which is a good sign, because it's designed specifically to bridge divides and bypass people's tribalism and bia…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 09:24 AM
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I already said: What people consider to be amazing will be subjective and reflect one's values. Don't impose your subjective values on other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 06:17 AM
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Wasn't making claims about you lol, You said: You lack those and your dating prospects suffer If you want to avoid confusion, say "one." if someone lacks those, they suffer. Doesn't matter what you personally value or consider amazing What people consider to be amazing will be subjective and reflect one's values. By your words, you consider having talents, charisma, and being socially to be amazing. I consider people with pro-society values to be amazing. I'm not amazed by socialites any more th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 03:39 AM
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Being a good person disadvantages you in our current society, and makes one's life harder and one less successful. The outcomes are emotionally, psychologically, and situationally challenging. And finally realizing this, after waking up to the lies of society that teach one the opposite of this, even more so. It's like playing a game and following the rules, only to later find out most people aren't playing by the rules and have advantages because of that, and they don't care. It's very defeatin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 11:57 PM
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I find it amusing and sad how you, the "reality pilled man," know nothing about me, but make so many assumptions and use them as a bludgeon. While also proving my point. I've spoken previously it's an indictment of society that we prefer amazing people to good people. Our society is currently suffering the results of that. Edit: You said "you" instead of "one", so I assumed you were referring to me. Everyone has talents. Suggesting only certain people is the type of supremacist mentality I was t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 11:52 PM
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What does well adjusted mean, though? It sounds like you healed your trauma and focused more on yourself, which is fine, but that's different to becoming an amazing person. You became a more pleasant person. Did you become good?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:51 PM
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Being a good person has brought me nothing but suffering and disadvantage. Our society doesn't value good people. I would be better off in every way if I was a worse person. Most people with the toxic personalities you describe are living a better life than me. Doesn't mean I've stopped being a good person. Just letting you know what the result of the path you advocate for can look like. I take issue with people like you who, likely from a position of privilege, advocate for something you probab…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:48 PM
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Fawn. Many women who are interested in someone tend to fawn over them. Eye contact like OP describes is one way it can manifest.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:10 PM
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Now imagine not going to school.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 11:14 PM
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I'm pretty good at it. It's an exercise in planting many seeds. Some people have fertile ground where those seeds will grow. The greater challenge is generating income from it. Society doesn't value work that improves society.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 10:35 PM
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Your assessment that men vote for Trump to be macho is not really accurate. It's much more complicated than that, and takes extensive unpacking. I have a Reddit post that explores it in detail, but specific to farmers, Vaush did a good assessment of the situation. the video features a discussion regarding a "More Perfect Union" video where Bernie Sanders visits "Trump Country" (00:00:04). He criticizes the "More Perfect Union" video for "humanizing" Trump supporters without asking probing questi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 09:52 AM
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No. I honestly don't know how you could read what I posted and be so wrong. I think you need to re-read it. Everything you need is there.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 08:32 PM
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Why would I want a wife? You have missed my point. Unfortunately, social conditioning runs deep. I won't be following your advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 07:59 PM
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if your "buzz" is destructive to society, then yes, you'll find me challenging. That's the point. What you're doing now is making assumptions and labeling/dehumanize me, so you can retreat back to the behavior I described. Other men like me: people who fought in WW2, climate activists, anti-genocide activists, anti-war activists. I'm in good company.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 07:57 PM
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Unfortunately there's no solutions. There are solutions: wake people up. It's actually very easy to do, and everything I do is about that. What's difficult is doing that in a society run by people like that, that worships hedonism, vice, and exploitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 07:38 PM
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They act like selfishness and hedonism isn’t already natural with us, as it is with other primates. I don't think it is natural. I think it's a product of weak people with poor morality born from an insane, broken society. They’re mostly sour because they don’t get a share of the pie. A wrong opinion. I don't want a share of the "we're destroying society and might wipe out the species" pie. That's why I'm not selfish, hedonistic, or apathetic. But selfish, hedonistic, and apathetic people find m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 07:35 PM
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I don't understand your question. I'm suggesting such people are selfish, hedonistic, and apathetic. I.e. not useful to society, or the species. Similar to a cancer cell in a human body. Collectively, they create a bad society, like cancer cells sabotage a human body.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 07:24 PM
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I think the mistake you're making is that you're trying to make this about relationships and trust when this is about objective truth. There's a clarity and specificity to what I wrote that you don't seem to have picked up on. My words are very intentional. You need to think about them and consider why I specifically chose certain wording instead of choosing something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 12:46 PM
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Trust me. Anyone suggesting "red pill" is an ideology has no idea what they're talking about. A group of people agreeing that it is doesn't make them right. That's one of the primary issues in this subreddit. Very few people here actually understand what being red pilled is. Even one of the moderators that I engaged with didn't understand. In my experience, most red pilled fled men seem to understand. We might disagree on certain things, but they understand the core premise. Which makes sense be…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 12:06 PM
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I was wondering about this: one in six women reported perpetrating some form of sexual violence Based on the references in the AIC report, the study used the Sexual Experiences Survey - Short Form Perpetration (SES-SFP), which is a validated instrument. The standard Sexual Experiences Survey measures different tactics and acts, typically including: Tactics used to obtain sexual activity: Verbal coercion (using arguments, pressure, or lies) Substance-facilitated (using alcohol or drugs to obtain …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/25 12:01 PM
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You're having an exaggerated emotional reaction and need to think about it more rationally. They were providing examples of how, even in situations where many people would typically consider it transactional and emotionless, it is often driven and influenced by emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 11:01 AM
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My issues with women are the same as my issues with other people: many are living unconsciously, being ruled by their biological impulses, at the expense of society. I'm not spiteful, I'm disappointed that selfish, hedonistic apathy is the default state of most of the population, because I know how good society and our world could be if it wasn't. I do get frustrated when there are women or men here who behave as if this is not true, and it's one of the main things that differentiates blue pille…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 09:56 AM
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Option 1
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 06:20 PM
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It's actually not and here is a good story explaining why that is the case: https://youtu.be/5g9FWB6Qvhk You can actually have people of different constitutions and abilities and deploy them strategically on a battlefield. Not everyone has to be Captain America. Diversity is actually beneficial. Also, since you're talking about unqualified people, do you think that the current Secretary of War for peace candidate president Trump who is leading these people, is qualified?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 01:14 AM
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Can you provide a source that DEI hire Hegseth, Secretary Of War for the peace candidate who starts no wars and resolved the Ukraine conflict before day 1, is part of the manosphere? It seems like people are just using manosphere like a smear these days to apply to whoever or whatever group they don't like, much like the right use the word "woke" and the left to use the word "anti-vaxx." Also, much like the term red pilled, there are plenty of people who identify as being red pilled but who are …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 01:09 AM
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The same is true for the political war. The illusion of choice is just another control system; an open air prison for our minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 12:24 PM
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Yes. They made a documentary about it called The Matrix
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 12:19 PM
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"positive masculinity" is just traditional masculinity with a feminist gaze. I disagree. There are a lot of problematic aspects of traditional masculinity that are bad for men. Or at least, societies constraints around traditional masculinity. It's complicated.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/25 12:28 AM
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Hasan is red pilled in terms of relationships, he just doesn't say it because he knows that wouldn't be good for him. Don't take my word, take his: https://np.reddit.com/r/Hasan_Piker/comments/aal6ma/chadvice_hasans_dating_advice/ https://youtube.com/watch?v=KBdW_KcqUaY Hasan is often incongruent and hypocritical. I respect his political commentary, not how he handles men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/25 12:26 AM
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Yeah, performative inauthenticity and social permission slip seeking is weak and disgusting. I'd rather people be real instead of performative and deceptive. Unfortunately, especially here, people LOVE and advocate for being performative and deceptive. It's part of the problem—we have questionable values. It's something I tried to discuss in another thread, and the backlash was telling. I also agree that instead of trying to demonize "monstrous" people, we should address the role society plays i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 11:46 PM
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That's a level of consciousness issue. It doesn't necessarily mean leftist principles or solutions are bad, just that the people who hold or want them are flawed. Though I agree, I find many leftists insufferable, just as I find most people on the right insufferable. They have similar mindset, mentality, and human nature issues. That's why I take a more metamodern approach. That's not a centrist approach, but one that's more critical and reflective, of everything, and all sides. It ultimately le…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 11:37 PM
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It's a status thing. Many years ago nerds were considered lower status socially to boo. But then the normies wanted the things that the nerds had, and those things started becoming more mainstream because there was a profit motive for that to be the case. So that stuff became normalized and the bar for what is considered being nerdy was raised, and those people were pushed further to the fringes of society. I refer to it as the tyranny of normativity. The people who are like each other in a soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 11:37 AM
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Yes, though I would take it further: It's society's fault that anyone is unable to find a partner. This should not be a problem, like homelessness, hunger, poverty, or inequality. These problems persist because we choose for them to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 11:24 AM
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If you are interested in them romantically, I would directly ask them if they are as well. If they say anything but yes, I would run for the hills.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 02:41 PM
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Someone likely f**king around with you. It's a woman, right? If it's not, that's even worse. It's the "we're only friends" part. Challenge them on that and if they double down, I'd get out of there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 08:10 AM
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Yes to both. The mononormativity is off the charts in this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 07:33 AM
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I'm curious, do you think someone can be both a left-wing male advocate and red pilled at the same time? Why or why not? And what is your definition of being red pilled? And does being red-pilled only apply to relationships or can it also apply to other life areas? They are just using our arguments to push their agenda. What agenda is that? "'no man want a woman that is run through". What do you find so problematic about that statement? I've seen similar statements about women here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 04:28 AM
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It's a class thing, not a man/woman thing. It's about the exploiters and the exploited, the privileged and underprivileged, and the systems society has baked in to perpetuate that hierarchy. For more on this: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2VMn1E9Ydl0
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 01:02 PM
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Yes, and capitalism created the social circumstances where that was possible. It would not be possible to start a gender war in a better society.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 10:07 AM
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Sometimes you can do all of the right stuff and still get nothing but it shouldn't deter them from being decent honest people. It's a pretty good deterrent, and i can completely understand why some people get radicalised and go down the right wing pipeline, get blackpilled, etc. People with privilege who are doing well need to improve society and stop putting all the responsibility on less privileged people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 03:31 AM
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Its often said here that it is an important issue on society level that some men can't get laid , its not a personal issue, society is falling Yes. Though it can be both. men get very motivated if they knew they could get the kind of sex they want... I don't deny the wellbeing benefits of socialising, intrapersonal relationships, connection, intimacy, partnership, and stability. Though people should be contributing to society anyway. If they did, we wouldn't be in this mess. That claim is backed…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 03:24 AM
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I've probably had slightly more women express interest in me than men, but men are more forward about it. Though I've never had random women interested in me. They've all been women I know. The reverse is true for men. However, the only thing that is relevant is if you're getting compatible matches. The amount of compatible matches I've had in my life is almost non-existent. And even compatible matches are usually plagued with the issues of society, so in effect, suitable matches rounds closer t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 10:41 AM
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Yes, it is. The truth that women are just the way that they are, and men are overshadowed by them is overall accepted. Basic and condensed info, but very relevant to redpill ideologies. This is one of those conclusions that the community overwhelmingly agrees with. I take a more metamodern approach that doesn't reduce things to such simplistic binaries. In our post-truth society, we must be careful of taking agreement or consensus to be truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 06:04 AM
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I know redpill is about accepting that women are the way that they are, and that men are overshadowed by them. Is it? You know it for sure? Because that's not what it's about. Being red pilled is about accepting truth. What is the truth is up for debate. There are certain conclusions that the community has come to that many people will agree with, but there's plenty that they will also disagree with. Most who become "aware" will manipulate their own situation to benefit off of the system, which …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 04:58 PM
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Being pleasant has nothing to do with the degree of social skills one has and everything to do with one's willingness to capitulate to what other people want and expect. You are having trouble with me because I don't give a damn about what you want and expect, I give a damn about what's good for society. And because you're not used to interacting with people like that, you're having trouble. Which is at the very heart of my critique, which you are not engaging with as you parrot a provincial exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 04:46 PM
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AKA, "are you normal? Because you certainly don't seem normal and I don't know how to deal with you." Which is frankly a bit antisocial.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 04:36 PM
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It's convenient that when I talk about like having morality and skills that are actually useful to society, you just ignore that you frame it as being pedantic. This is something that normative people do in order to maintain a social situation that is beneficial to people like them. I.e people who don't care about that stuff and benefit from the status quo and don't want it to change. Something I refer to is the tyranny of normativity. If doing the right or good thing is annoying to people, it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 04:35 PM
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This was originally a reply to the thread, What alternatives to therapy would you like society to provide?: 🔹Intuitive (psychic) services. Ideally it should be combined with other professional qualifications, or form part of a multidisciplinary team. Medical intuitive. Animal intuitive. And so on. It would revolutionise society. And before I get the, "but it doesn't exist" comments, review the research first, then comment. 🔹Services that provide coaching, case management, and advice. None of thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 01:54 PM
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Redpillers do not seem to believe in healing, or in any other therapeutical process for that matter. A ridiculous stereotype. But I don't see any such transformative experiences in redpillers. I don't see any kind of deep change happening, or deep betterment of the self. It's always "Going to the gym and getting muscles" Another ridiculous stereotype. At least you're asking. In other words, what did you do to actually evolve and become a better person? Self-improvement. Reading, exploring art, l…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 01:47 PM
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This can be easily accomplished by small things such as voting for Republicans and Trumpist candidates, ensuring that many leftists and feminists will have their lives hurt and made worse via political policy. I think that's an ineffective strategy, because there are leftists who don't do the things you describe (i.e. tell people "life isn't fair and that they aren't entitled to success") and find such things distasteful. I.e. Me, and people at places like r/menslib or r/leftwingmaleadvocates Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 12:09 PM
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How often do you guys feel like you’ll be put in a position to help/defend random women? Happens quite a bit. These days I'm much less likely to step in, due to the state of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 11:28 AM
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Why prioritise freedom over other things like wellbeing, quality of life, fulfillment, or the survival of the species? This is what I mean when I refer to selfish hedonism. Freedom is a good value to be sure, but not at the expense of people being harmed. It also seems like a contradictory value given the work you do. i.e. Would you want people to be so free that they can erase all benefit of your work, such that nothing you can do can compensate for the damage they do to the environment? It's t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 09:29 AM
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Well, that's more so improving the environment than society. That's better than what most people are doing however. But I disagree with you. I definitely think we should be telling people how to live. Our modern society is a consequence of not doing that. Society is in the place it is in because so many people are not taking responsibility. You must understand that in your line of work, people like you have to do a disproportionate amount to compensate for all of the actions of everyone else who…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 12:04 AM
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Are they? I think most people with baseline social skills are able to socialize just fine and they will get better at it over time through more experience. But a lot of people don't get that opportunity for some of the reasons that is discussed in the subreddit and I think that is a greater problem than someone needing to get more social skills. The " social skills are important" argument for me falls into the same category of " just improve yourself." I think the people who are suggesting that …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 11:48 PM
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No, I genuinely don't understand why they're so important. I think people are prioritizing unimportant skills that are not actually making society better and are contributing to make society worse. Most of this is so-called social skills that people have I think are actually anti-social and problematic and make interpersonal interaction worse and less authentic, less productive, less honest, more transactional. Make an argument about why that is not the case. I'm yet to see a good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 11:43 PM
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That doesn't answer my question. All it does is explain why you value social skills because they further your selfish, hedonistic pursuits. I can't relate to this mentality. I find it to be juvenile and I think it's leading our society to ruin. Ironically, your life would probably be better if you focused more on improving society instead of only yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 02:03 PM
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Why do we need life experiences? Why is everything a directional arrow pointed towards oneself? Why wouldn't we instead have the directional arrow pointed outwardly towards improving society? A good society will create good life experiences. The opposite is also true. This is the point that I am making. I.e. We have prioritized frivolous things like social skills and other banal niceties over things that actually matter. If you want to see the result of that just look around you. And even if we …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 01:50 PM
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I've checked The Enforcement of Patriarchy (2), stopped really fast when I've heard unironic "(...) most restrictive recruitment policies: men only". Yes, "Proud Boys" is men-only. I do wonder if he would we also be so critical to, for example, "Girls with ADHD" for being women-only. That's a mistake. His videos are well thought out and build to a broader message, so focusing on one thing like that is silly. You know how I know that? I listen to things, including things and people I disagree wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 12:00 PM
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What is that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 11:48 AM
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There are plenty of laws that screw women over.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/25 01:05 PM
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What were some of the things they said?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 07:59 AM
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How about maybe start from there huh? Gladly, your arguments are very easy to counter. Firstly, did you actually watch any of the videos? Are you actually familiar with what you're talking about? Or am I just arguing against ignorance? Yeah there is something called catering to audience, men and boys like harem anime or good looking women in their anime You're assuming that everyone is like you. I don't make this assumption. There are a lot of men, for example, who would question whether men can…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 03:16 AM
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I never said they do but the reason why this exists is people generally like hot people, it exists in media for women as well, hence why the guys in twilight are good looking and shirtless even when they don't have to be. The playlist specifically addresses this point as well and explains why that idea is problematic. It's not just a bunch of random YouTube videos headed to a playlist. It's specifically curated and each topic flows into the other and builds an overall picture. But you have to wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 02:04 AM
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The straight and bi ones would, in reference to sexy women not anime in general Again, more normativity. Men and boys don't need to constantly be titillated through the media they watch. There are plenty of men that find that undesirable, problematic, or degenerate. I haven’t watched all of those videos just some specifically the Anita Sarkissian and Innuendo studios ones, so maybe there is a conclusion I’m missing. I’m just going off the playlist description. Yes, there is. The description is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 01:16 AM
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I don’t think it has anything to do with gender roles. I think women are afraid the guy might not be long-term content with them and miss having sex with a man/ dick Which is not just heteronormative, but also mononormative. These issues go beyond gender and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 12:22 AM
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to answer a question of "what privileges do men have over women" with a playlist of female disadvantages is to imply that men don't have mirror disadvantages No. The playlist specifically addresses privileges men have over women. are you a bot or something? Don't assume that because you don't understand something someone else is deficient. I really hate how people in our current society are so uncritical and incurious.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/25 12:20 AM
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"Redpill" by definition can't allign with propaganda of the matrix. If that matrix leans in one direction and hides some unconvinient truths, "redpills" will expose facts I agree with that. Which is why I take a more metamodern approach and critique essentially everything. Nothing is spared. For more on that: https://pastebin.com/qng38t23#5usBJypy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 12:12 AM
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a YouTube playlist about harmful tropes and gendered phenomenon for women in media? ah yes, because men have none of that at all. Poor argument. It doesn't make the point that men don't have that. crazy to be spending time commenting about equality, without ever actually checking what the other side looks like That's an assumption and a wrong one. It's honestly a little embarrassing that you see something that addresses women's issues and immediately respond, "but men!", essentially reinforcing …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/25 12:07 AM
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Well it's not hiding in people's minds. You can see it quite easily. I find it difficult to take your arguments seriously. Are you seriously suggesting that it can only exist in external structures? I think it would be more helpful if you gave us your definition of patriarchy. I've already given you mine. It's featured in that video I linked, made by Renegade Cut.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 12:03 AM
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Because of course old men and boys would like that, right? The normativity in this subreddit is a bit suffocating. Also, if that is your argument, I feel like you missed the point. But this is what happens when people draw conclusions about things that they haven't reviewed properly. If you actually review it, then you will understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 12:00 AM
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Patriarchy is in people's minds. That's how it manifests in society. Your definition is overly literal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 11:02 PM
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That's why, in the USA at least, political redpill is rightwing-leaning, since establishment was left-leaning. Utter nonsense. Both US right and what most people in the US call "the left" is not red pill. Red pill would critique establishment on both sides, such as the left's take on UFOs and the COVID pandemic, and the right's tendency to get fooled by capitalists and corporations into voting against their interests at the expense of society. Redpill != conservative. I agree. We dont live in pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 11:00 PM
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how do we not live in a patriarchy where women are oppressed at the hands of men? Why do some people, especially on the conservative side, reject the idea that women are an oppressed and discriminated group? I have a YouTube playlist that covers that in depth, especially the content at the bottom from Renegade Cut and Innuendo Studios. Innuendo has excellent right wing coverage and analysis. Suffice to say, it's complicated. To be clear, it covers why people think patriarchy doesn't exist, and w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 10:53 PM
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Like seriously, what privilege do these young boys and men have over women now!? There's a YouTube playlist that covers some of that. Another example would be Andrew Tate. Maybe this one isn't a good one but I was under the impression that this guy basically isn't relevant anymore? Am wrong about that? Yes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/25 10:39 PM
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You're not wrong, but I think one of the issues you're leaving out is a lot of women like unhealthy things as well. And so you can have people who are healthy and women will be dissatisfied with them because of that. But they will frame it in a way such that the man is problematic instead of them. Because they don't want to admit that they have problems. It's always the guy who needs to work on themselves or improve their status or whatever. And the women that I'm talking about here have no prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 10:01 PM
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The issue is women who have unrealistic expectations or unhealthy expectations based on social conditioning, trauma, or prior experiences and the impact that has on the rest of society. Another issue is playing out biological impulses instead of making conscious decisions as a human. This gets amplified by technology. "We have paleolithic emotions, medieval institutions, and god-like technology." — Tristan Harris One of the great problems of our society is everyone is looking out for themselves …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 01:44 AM
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No, sociopathy is different to lack of empathy. You're not trying to understand my point, you are just judging me. I don't care. I tire of dealing with people like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 12:04 AM
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I would characterize it as social skills tends to operate on a more superficial layer, whereas emotional intelligence operates on a deeper layer. That's why we don't see emotional intelligence very often, but we quite often see social skills. Plenty of people are able to carry on a conversation and navigate society, but not many people are emotionally intelligent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 11:09 PM
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No, you've gone to an extreme. I was referring to social conditioning. Yes, lots of people are immoral and dumb and do many unethical things but sociopathic is taking it a bit far. Sociopathic traits are usually found in people in positions of power. That's how they got there. They're willing to do things the rest of us aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 11:06 PM
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All you've done is make a statement saying they are important. You haven't explained why they are important. I feel like your definition of good empathy and mine differ greatly. Most people have terrible empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 11:04 PM
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What you see as not shutting up are probably just people engaging in small talk. No, it's usually people who are either too self-involved to consider other people, or people who are extroverted and meet their needs through interacting with other people, usually without really considering other people. They behave more like automatons carrying out their own biological or social conditioning than conscious humans..
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 11:03 PM
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That's emotional intelligence, not a social skill. Also, most social people are terrible at that because they are insincere and can't shut up. I say this from a place of experience. There's a reason complete strangers will tell me things they've not told anyone before: they've not encountered many people who can listen like I can. So my question stands. "Social skills" is beginning to sound like the word "woke" or "liberal," I.e. a word used by people who lack good arguments and are pushing ideo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 08:27 PM
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No, it's not solidarity between women. It's solidarity between people who are normative, privileged, and of the same or similar class, regardless of what their gender or sex is. Tyranny of normativity. People who benefit from hierarchy. Here is a video series about it: The Enforcement of Hierarchies (1) The Enforcement of Patriarchy (2) Abortion and Autonomy (3) The Enforcement of Heteronormativity (4) I just mentioned to another commenter here, despite being red pilled, I'm constantly more left…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 07:57 PM
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A, B It's not complicated. I wouldn't like B1, but I wouldn't mind A2, if society was better. But those aren't my core preferences. That's a stereotype being projected based on a poor understanding of what it is to be red pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 07:34 PM
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I suspect many people here are quite privileged, rich, liberals who live in cities. Whenever I've asked someone if they are after suspecting it, I've been right. In other words, ignorant, detached people living in a bubble. This is how we got Trump. It's essentially the plot of the Joker. Which, for all the people racing to misunderstand that, I've already explained in detail. But people would sooner go insane than take responsibility for the role they play in creating the problems in society, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 07:24 PM
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Why are social skills so important? I see people with "good" social skills as a red flag, because it implies you're a group think zombie. I'd take morality, character, empathy, and intelligence anyway. Most people with social skills can't even navigate an "awkward" pause.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 07:15 PM
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People graduating from top schools and earning real money don’t walk into a room to cut a deal and assume conservative gender roles. It’s not how people of that caliber think or act. I genuinely feel that among men at least, the red pill is more of a thing with the drop shipping, crypto, NFT, social media people. People who likely didn’t go to school, get a degree, or prove themselves in any meaningful intellectual or commercial ventures. I've spoken with the highly accomplished people you talk …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 01:42 PM
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This is what I meant when, in my reply, I wrote: If what you say is true and these people are as you say, why does society suck? Why is it going to hell? Shouldn't these intellectual beacons be leading the way? I suggest that many of these people aren't intelligent, but sociopathic. That's how they end up in these lofty positions in the first place. People who aren't like that, don't, because their character prevents it. They're relegated to a different social class, because for people to be on …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 01:41 PM
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Yep. Look at some of the wives of famous people. They're often very plain women with ordinary jobs and low income.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 01:31 PM
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What about it doesn't make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 01:29 PM
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Most of the people you mentioned in these fields, even the successful ones, are complete idiots. You put it more bluntly than I did. The sheer stupidity I have encountered from highly successful people I've met is astounding. It's like talking to someone trapped in an intellectual box. I think high status correlates with low morality, rather than intelligence. In other words: how sociopathic are they? Not by what they say, but what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 01:26 PM
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Thanks for letting me know. My post and comment history somehow got set to private. Fixed. The comment I linked to was removed by reddit's filters. Reddit seems to have cracked down on comments including external links. I have a solution I want to try. I'll reply when I've fixed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 12:20 PM
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Is that a genuine question? As in, are you actually confounded about what a better alternative would be? Social change. Duh. I touched on some aspects of that in another answer That addressed how we can more holistically address the issues of society: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1m4jrr0/what_alternatives_to_therapy_would_you_like/n4it316/ What I often find ironic about this place is that despite being red pilled, which makes everyone think I'm a right-wing misogynist, I'm a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 01:28 AM
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No, I'm saying people are inherently interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 12:53 AM
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Funny, but that doesn't solve it in any meaningful way. It makes relationships transactional and people commodities.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 12:47 AM
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This mentality is so pervasive here. I shouldn't be surprised. I still find it distasteful. Again, you are assuming that people are not getting what they desire because there is something problematic about them. Rather than something problematic about the society they live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:32 PM
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You don't understand. I'm critiquing that mentality. I think the premise is flawed. People are inherently interesting. You don't have to become more interesting. You're talking about becoming more socially pleasing to other people. I'm suggesting that people should do away with that because many other people are fickle idiots not worth appealing to. Interesting people know this and do not try to appeal to other people. The people who are not interesting are cookie cutter people who look and beha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:28 PM
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Well, I'm trying to make a broader critique of a society that is founded on a lack of self-acceptance to the point where women feel the need to carve themselves up and inject themselves in order to meet those standards. I would like to see a more humane society, one where we're not constantly playing stupid, immature status games and climbing over each other in a race to the top, like primitive creatures of low intelligence. And more specifically, I'm critiquing people who peddle this advice and…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:54 PM
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This is the problem with what you're saying—you assume that someone is defective and problematic and that is the reason they are not getting what they want. Or that if they are unhappy, or not getting the results they want, they can improve their way towards them. Have you considered that your mentality might be part of the problem of our society? I encounter people with the same mentality frequently. They are very selfish people who tend to lack empathy and have a fairly narrow worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:50 PM
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I only give the advice to people who are unhappy and complaining that they can't get the things they want in life. And that's my point. Why do you think those things will bring happiness? This is the difference between someone who is red pilled and someone who is blue pilled. Society works for you. I speak for the people it does not, and my message to them is not, "improve yourself, because you're not good enough and unhappy."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:26 PM
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Of course, let's talk about the US. Let's leave those pesky reminders of US exploitation out of the equation. Even in doing so, when we talk about the US, everything I said still applies. Though i suspect that many people who post here don't fall into that category of people, based on the amount of privilege, normativity, and classism I see here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:22 PM
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If you can't get in a better financial position that sucks, you gotta work on improving the things you can instead. Why? Why the constant need for people to be different from what they are? No one has to improve or be better. Yet you constantly preach that they do. If they are satisfied with their life the way it is then good for them. It's advice given to people who are unhappy with their life Why do you think self improvement will make one happier? It can have the opposite result. The more one…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:17 PM
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The elderly People born after a certain date The people who had to keep working during covid lockdowns because of they did, society stops running multiply that by countries of the world, and make it worse for lots of countries by factoring on capitalism and imperialism Ta da.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:06 PM
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Financial thing doesn't have to mean getting rich, just getting to a position where you can support yourself and aren't always broke. And if you can't? Billions of people are in that position, and it has nothing to do with their self improvement status. I don't know what sort of inaccurate understanding of the economy you're working with, but that's not how capitalism works. For there to be winners, there must be lisers; exploiters and the exploited. Being yourself is fine. If it's not working y…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 12:43 PM
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Financial status has nothing to do with self improvement. I'd say it has a negative relationship to it, in that the better person you are, the less likely you are to earn more income. becoming an interesting, fun, well rounded person. Or you could just be yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 12:31 PM
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Hard disagree! Speaking your opinion, no matter how controversial is in no way shape or form proportional to a punishment as assassination. It's not like he was a serial killer or pedophile. Someone doesn't need to commit a direct act of violence to be violent or cause harm. And yes, I think Kirk caused far more social harm, and likely individual harm, than the person who struck him down. An opinion isn't something that exists in isolation. It has an impact on society. And if you make it your mi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/25 09:16 AM
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If I were to follow the advice What advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 01:42 PM
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Look past the dog whistles: https://zeteo.com/p/charlie-kirk-in-his-own-words Some people don't fire the shot. The build the factory that makes the weapons.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/25 11:51 AM
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Not to mention all the social murders that occurred, and routinely occur, but that we overlook (I don't) because it's "all part of the plan," as Joker aptly said. Don't get me started on how we treat animals.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/25 11:48 AM
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I've had this discussion multiple times now. You may not mourn his loss, but hopefully we can all get behind fiercely condemning the manner in which he lost his life. If someone spends their life building a tinderbox, and someone walks past and throws a match in it, who should be condemned? My focus is on the immense number of preventable deaths and unnecessary suffering, rather than one tinderbox builder. If one doesn't like fire, don't build and stand in a tinderbox. I empathize far more with …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/25 11:43 AM
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Why not enrich the dialogue by articulating the specific reasons that make something objectionable, rather than just labeling it with blanket, unfounded condemnations? Because it's exhausting and time consuming. Everything has a cognitive cost. You only have so much cognitive energy each day, and in your entire life. Why waste it? Much of his efforts in the US are quite similar to Hitler youth. Many people would be like Hitler, if they could be. But they lack the ability to execute that vision. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/25 11:25 AM
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But why would the solution to that be to be more aggressive and alienate more people? It's counter-intuitive. A straw man? Can you quote where they said that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 11:09 AM
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I live in a major US city, and I'm white. Called it. This post is about saying what will happen to you unless you're aggressive and making women uncomfortable at time Is it? I'd say it's about no longer playing the roles society tells one they should play. It's not about purposely alienating people, it's more that people will get alienated anyway. But at the end of the day those people don't really care about you, and so trying to appease them is futile. For some people, no longer caring about w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:47 PM
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That's where I probably disagree. You talk about having women who set you up. Some men don't even have that. You're also very comfortable in your own skin to essentially suggest that you come across as more feminine. It leads me to believe that you're quite privileged and normative. I wonder if you live in a city. I wonder what your ethnicity is. Just remember that whatever your experience is, there are other men out there who are very similar to you who are having a very different experience. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:14 PM
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being the guy who doesn’t care about how others feel doesn’t seem like it’s gonna be the answer There is a third path that is neither of those extremes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 12:53 PM
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The clincher will be if the moderators enforce their rules. r/menslib seems more left wing, frankly.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/25 10:32 AM
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Dripping with bad faith. learn the difference between DATING pool and GENE pool. What do you think is the consequence of removing oneself from the dating pool? I mean when you all If you resort to petty tribalism and dehumanise people based on labels so easily, you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 11:53 AM
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Good men also get screwed over. Our society doesn't value good people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 11:53 AM
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What sort of eugenicist nonsense is this? Are you aware you sound like a supremacist?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 11:36 AM
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What's offensive about it? You haven't even watched it. You're getting pre-offended?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/09/25 11:35 AM
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the one Sarkeesian and other grifters invited to speak at the UN use Ok, hold up. So why is Sarkeesian a grifter? And why does getting invited to speak at the UN make one a grifter? The feminism that justified gendering a committee on missing indigenous people into one solely about women, and completely ignore men - who represent 2/3 of the victims. And its not like it was splitting it into 2 committees, with the second one coming any time soon. They just cancelled the other one. This is oddly s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/09/25 11:32 AM
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i just gotta say that i come straght out from the blackpill/redpill pipeline online and a lot of his content reminds me of that, specially the stuff about reacting to tiktoks from braindead women, I think his point is that the women he reacts to aren't isolated cases, it's much more widespread. I concur. but im also way out of the dating scene so im currently approaching all of this as an outsider rather than someone even willing to participate on the game. He has very recent experience. I think…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/09/25 11:29 AM
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There's a good video on this: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PQtdOuD4cLc Lots of people are inherently selfish and don't really care about other people, and tend to lack self awareness and inner strength—a terrible combination. Couple that with their need to be socially accepted and people's general lack of curiosity and empathy, and you get behavior like you describe. It took me years to accept that people are like this. But society kept hitting me in the face with it, and at some point I got tire…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 06:30 PM
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It's very beneficial to be able to consider the merit of a variety of different things, including if they come from questionable sources, or contain questionable things. Like you, I have issues with some of his content. But I also think some of it has value. Even if you disagree with some or all of what he says, I think the way he presents it is compelling and can be thought-provoking. And I think on the subject, people need to be thinking harder than what they are and challenging their social c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/25 09:30 AM
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I didn't suggest that people are not allowed to criticize the feminist movement. I was challenging and being critical of your statements and claims, and suggesting your argumentation is poor and not very well aligned with the egalitarian values of the subreddit. I.e. What is the so-called "classic feminist double standard" you talk of? And why are you suggesting that the only standards that feminists have are double standards? Can you explain why what you're saying is actually criticism instead …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/25 09:23 AM
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That list of videos includes Anita Sarkeesian's Feminist Frequency videos, so yea, that list is BS. Can you explain how an entire list becomes BS because it contains certain videos? And can you explain what is BS about those specific videos that you mentioned—specifically, using ood augmentation? It appears to be a list of videos with women complaining about men and complaining about stuff that caters to men. Why should we accept the assessment of something based on someone who, by your words, h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/25 09:02 AM
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I was challenging their argument, as I explained in a follow up reply to them. It was an opportunity for them to explain the merits of it, not a purity test.There's not much I can do with low level argumentation,. I replied rather than reported because I think sometimes it's better users hash this stuff out themselves. it's possible I may have misinterpreted them, or they were being concise and making a broader, better point, but not elaborating. I gave them the opportunity to do that, and they …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/25 08:51 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/s/cjxazC8mVA
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/25 08:46 AM
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Best summary I've heard was on a comment on an Emily King video: The juice isn't worth the squeeze.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 08:34 AM
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There is only one red pill: waking up from the matrix; from control systems and conditioning. Everything else discussed in this space, and others, is an extension of that. Red pilled people only war with each other if they're not suitably red pilled and are still stuck in the control systems to some degree. Beyond that, while they may quibble on specific solutions, they agree on the core issues. The one thing missing from your take on this is integration of the binary, conflict, and contradictio…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 11:17 AM
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What do you think patriarchy is? Because the way you talk about it implies you don't understand it. As I already suggested.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/25 06:58 AM
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and yet is anything but what we live with currently). What does that mean? I can't make sense of your grammar.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/25 05:15 AM
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I agree with the general sentiment of this video on the topic, even if I don't agree with his right-wing framing and solutions: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kVZcxtXT5r8 Some people use nudity and sexuality to make beautiful art. Some people have healthy, loving, empowering, sexual relationships. The reason behind it and the consequences of it are important.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/25 05:08 AM
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it’s no more about ‘The Patriarchy😱👹™️” as it is just brutal capitalism. Counterpoint: your understanding or characterization of patriarchy seems provincial. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0PGRnRdKqM Ironically, some people here seem to talk about feminism the same way. Which is equally ridiculous.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/25 05:02 AM
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you know, the only Standards that Feminists even have. Really? You sure you're in the right subreddit? Or rather, do you think you're in a right subreddit? And you're a top 1% commentator here?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/25 04:56 AM
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It's a little more complicated than that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/25 04:55 AM
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I prefer to state things plainly. There are a lot of people who do not understand otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 04:50 AM
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Usually not people with good intentions. I sometimes do it if someone posts things I like, which leads me to interesting things like new subreddits, resources, or ideas.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/25 09:13 AM
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I find a lot of people are actually not as progressive as they think they are and make themselves out to be. E.g. they say they accept gay people, but find men who have sex with men, or kiss men, gross. When you press them on this, they get very defensive, which shows how much they like their tyranny of normativity. One might prefer red heads over blondes, but generally one doesn't think people of a certain hair type are gross. There are some good videos that cover how homophobia is normalized a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/25 09:09 AM
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I don't really consider the Democrats to be left wing, so there's that. Some are, most aren't. But I address the issue at the root: the voter base. A better populace wouldn't require such pathetic pandering.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:51 AM
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Capitalists love profit and power, not DEI. What you said is like saying they love employees.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:46 AM
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Cool. It always takes time to make posts like that, and to source them in other comments, so it's nice to hear when people are checking them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:43 AM
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You didn't explain anything, you shared your subjective opinions. I deal in objectivity. I.e. reality, not feelings or opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:41 AM
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You're comparing only two administrations, but not only that, cherry picking? My statements were not based on such ridiculous criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:38 AM
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I actually think it's because we haven't offered a left wing alternative, and what alternative has been provided is rooted in privilege, ignorance, normativity, and classism. And we no longer value strength as a society, and have replaced it with other worse traits and vices. I've spoken about this before: discussion about issues in South Korea https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/zER6kHw0oG https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/dwVm6ApuuP
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:06 PM
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I and my peers agreed in the last electtions that republicans would mean problems. We were just sure that the democrats would be considerably worse No, you and your peers were manipulated. You're surity and agreement has no basis in objective fact. For the record the Democrats suck, but suggesting they're objectively worse than the alternative is objectively wrong. A karen is no problem solver, a gay is not a problem solver, a out of touch boomer is not a problem solver. Do you know who solve pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 07:05 PM
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It's not DEI, it's profiteering and exploitation, aka insincere "rainbow capitalism." Capitalists don't care about DEI. Actual DEI is good, and we'd have a worse society without it. But most people who use the term have NO CLUE what DEI means. Their understanding of it comes from capitalist propagandists, such as Murdoch's Fox/Sky News, who seeded it to spread wedge issues so they can keep exploiting us.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:58 PM
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The woke leftist movement There is no such thing. Woke is a bastardized, racist dog whistle that most people who use it can't define. is objectively wrong and doesn’t understand reality, it’s like a religion Can you provide examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:56 PM
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but you’re handicapping yourself by not appealing to young men and losing elections as a result Ha, that's not the reason the left is losing elections. It's a factor, but come on. That's like being in The Matrix and saying the source of your problems is taxes are too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:54 PM
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there is clearly a pretty quiet majority who do not feel like either end of the political spectrum has anything to offer them. Not a quiet majority, a stupid, weak majority. Which is why they need something to be offered to them instead of doing their civic and social duty.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:51 PM
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For the woman he finds attractive, he'll put up with her flaking, not being consistent, not taking any interest in learning about him, etc. because he thinks that if he at least gets to sleep with her someday, itll all be worth it. Nope. Your assumption is that all men seek sex from disposable relationships they don't really care about. A woman here recently said that if she learned someone she had sex with didn't love her, she'd be devastated. I can relate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 11:12 PM
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I agree. I actually find good people more attractive. And the quickest way for me to lose any sense of attraction towards someone is for them to reveal their character. I don't care what you look like on the outside if you're ugly inside. However, the one caveat is that even good people can be affected by some of the issues described here. And that's the challenge that men face. It's a social phenomenon. It's something that we're all affected by. And that's why they need help navigating it. Wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 11:07 PM
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Why would desperate men willingly give up the designated “enemy” that is the real cause of their failure? Why do you assume that is the root cause of that failure? Are you aware of how privileged, normative, and classist that statement is? You sound like a rich person saying that poor people just need to work harder and pull themselves up by their bootstraps, while they ignore the social and financial realities of society. That would mean taking responsibility for their own mistakes and unrealis…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 10:53 PM
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What's interesting is that I was actually exposed to red pill relationship concepts before being red pilled, and I dismissed it. Life experience taught me otherwise. That doesn't mean that I believe or agree with everything that someone who claims to be red pilled says. Not everyone who who says that they are red pilled is actually red pilled. And people will draw their own conclusions and filter them through their own beliefs and life experience. I think harmonizing and integrating all of those…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 10:47 PM
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Geez, I wonder, thousands of pieces falling nicely into (more or less) coherent picture vs gaslighting attempts, like this one, or strawmans that should be resolved after 5 min research? What should I pick?! This is a good way to describe it. I said something similar . I think a lot of people don't realize is that it's not like people want to be red pilled. This is something that happens against our will. It would be great to live in the fantasy that the blue pillars talk about. So much easier! …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 10:45 PM
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I may be wrong on certain facts or conclusions, though I generally don't make assertions about things I'm not confident about. But that pales in comparison to years of life experience and moments of being red pilled. I already wrote about this in another thread, which I'll quote below, but I'll leave you with a question: if you had our life experience, and had our consciousness loaded up alongside yours, how do you think you'd handle it? Would you be red pilled? If not, why not? What makes you d…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 10:38 PM
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Specifically, what hoops is she supposed to make him jump through before deeming him worthy of having sex with? Spend time together with no physical intimacy for several months. Honest talks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 01:40 AM
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I think your understanding of sexuality is a little provincial and overly normative.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 01:11 AM
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Well on the plus side, at least you're not being starved and blown up in Palestine while the world stands around and does nothing. You just have to make the best of your situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 12:37 AM
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Your odds aren't zero: https://youtu.be/dnjURMvhCVw https://youtu.be/1n5nOEJtrYA
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 11:36 PM
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I think the question is does putting this effort in actually get results? I think the general sentiment of at least some people here is no. Hence the red pilling. Which is why I talk about why society needs to focus on improving themselves and getting better values. These issues are happening because we're not dressing well enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 11:22 PM
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If one's partner leaves, one can't be a stay at home dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 07:28 AM
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Any% speedrun to extinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 05:10 AM
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Who was he and what was his vision for society?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 05:09 AM
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If it was upto me i would jave banned all pre marriage child births (the moment u have a child u are married with that man or u need to give up the child for adoption) I find it pretty amusing that you say that you're far left when it comes to hierarchy and you support women's rights, but you say something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 05:08 AM
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That's because the state is forcibly conscripting men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 05:02 AM
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Rajput. Elite community of warriors & rulers of South Asia also known as 'Thakur'. Rājpūt, also called Thākur, is a large multi-component cluster of castes, kin bodies, and local groups, sharing social status and ideology of genealogical descent originating from the northern part of the Indian subcontinent. The term Rajput covers various patrilineal clans historically associated with warriorhood: several clans claim Rajput status, although not all claims are universally accepted. Wikipedia
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 05:01 AM
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We already know how to solve homelessness, poverty, and we're pretty good at solving war too if that is the goal. It's not impossible. We choose not to. Hence my point. This stuff should be what we prioritise, instead of superficial nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 03:13 AM
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Yep, this is the level of consciousness that our society is at. Thanks for undermining your argument, it makes my job easier. Personally I'd rather we end homelessness, property, easily preventable disease, and resource wars, but why do that when we can fucking party instead, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:59 AM
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u/Grow_peace_in_Bedlam As you can see from the response here, people are trapped in wedge issues and more interested in petty bickering and tribalism than solidarity and solutions. The amount of privilege, normativity, and class-bias here always amazes me. Just like women have a pink cage, men have their own blue cage. I spoke about all of this in a reply to another thread. There was also an interesting comment about how gay men have a social permission slip to be more whole men than heterosexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:53 AM
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It's not about being peak, it's about being a good person, and prioritising that over these social rituals that don't matter in comparison. Do you want a society of good people, or well dressed people? Because we're seeing the results of the latter on the news each day, and it's not going so well.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:05 AM
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You have to get to the point of having kids first. And you have to have custody of the kids in order to be a stay-at-home dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 12:46 AM
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There are good sources on the internet that help with this. https://youtube.com/@RealMenRealStyle Though I don't think people should focus on becoming clones of everyone else. While there are some general rules that apply to all types of garments, I think people should focus on dressing in a style that they like and are comfortable with, and makes them feel good as a person. I think dressing well to look good to other people is wrong-headed and our society needs to do away with constantly trying…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 12:11 AM
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I don't disagree, but I think people should be focusing on improving themselves rather than dressing better. Who cares how one dresses if they're a bad person? For example, how many of the clothes people were wearing at that party were ethically made? How many of their garments are made from natural fibres instead of plastic that is polluting not just our external natural environment but our internal body such that we now have microplastics in our brains? How many of them are parable and durable…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 12:03 AM
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No. This is what I mean when I say you need to find a partner who genuinely desires and likes you, and the knowledge and skills to be able to tell the difference. If you can be replaced by someone else, especially easily, you might have a sex partner or girlfriend, but not a serious, sustainable relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 11:23 AM
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Again, this is just religious talk. You not being aware of evidence doesn't mean someone referring to it is "religious talk." Hence why you claim there is "evidence" and "academic assessment" but don't provide any evidence. Is this really the place for such a thing? Consider the relevant subreddits. I don't need to provide specific evidence for something that is widely available and well established. you can look it up yourself. It is very likely that in the near future, we will have human brain…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:13 PM
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I have, but by your own admission, you don't need to consider it. Convenient. You are not at all being logical. You're defaulting to fundamentalism as I said, like people who hold devout religious beliefs. Logic requires dispassionate scrutiny, self reflection, and self awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:03 PM
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Which is again, my point, and why I spoke of living (and thinking) consciously. If we don't do that, we're essentially biological, Darwinian automations. Which is one of my broader arguments in everything I say here. Most of our problems in society stem from unconsciousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:00 PM
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Basically, it boils down to if you believe in spirits (that our identity is a separate thing from our physicality). It doesn't hinge on belief. Belief is irrelevant. Fancy talk It's not fancy talk. It's based on an academic assessment of the available evidence. but doesn't provide any evidence to your implication that brains and bodies are two completely different things. It doesn't need to. There's a reason people are declared essentially dead if their brain ceases to function even if their bod…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 06:49 PM
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Thank you for supporting my claim of fundamentalism so effectively. If you don’t have a body, you are not alive (that seems a particular daft thing to argue) So sure of yourself, aren't you? You completely ignored everything I posited, which is not intellectually honest or in good faith. Consider whether you are being daft (your word).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 06:41 PM
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That's my point. many people in society lack character.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 06:38 PM
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Overly attractive people (both genders) will always have advantages over the less attractive among us. Only if you lack character. The only people who have an advantage with me are good people, regardless of gender, because I choose that to be so. I'm not a slave to my biological impulses. I live consciously. More people here and in society should, too. We'd have a better world.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 06:08 PM
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With the world view some people here have, I think the future is going to be very challenging for you. Even the present, if you care to look deeply enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 05:51 PM
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More fundamentalism. You need to consider the implications of the question instead of answering with a socially conditioned script. What happens if one has a body that has both? Or can be modified to have both? Or has no body, but presents as male or female? Are people born without primary sex characteristics not men or women? To make this easier, watch Altered Carbon and the Ghost in the Shell franchise.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 05:47 PM
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If you don't have a body, what is your sex? I can tell some people here haven't seen Ghost in the Shell.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 05:35 PM
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As usual, you're very fundamentalist in your thinking. There will likely come a time when human brains can be put into other bodies. What will people be then? Does the brain define sex? The body? Both? Are we our bodies, or something more? Can we have a body that is one sex, while we are something else? Is who we are even a singular body, or could bodies be like leaves on the branch of a tree? We gotta get a little bit out of knowing everything and a little bit about knowing nothing. If you stud…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 12:30 PM
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you are either female or male. This is actually a cognitive construct, not objective reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 12:07 PM
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not approaching perpetuating social game playing and lying punishing people who are direct and clear going after obviously problematic men seeking out relationships when they are not ready for them poor communication leading men on, often in an explorative way There are exceptions, but I've seen women be their own worst enemy many times. Hence my statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:05 PM
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They can call it what they like, but the DSM is clear. I'm being objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:59 PM
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It's not always a mindset, some people are just toxic or problematic, and it's not your job to fix them, nor is it always possible or worth the cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:57 PM
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The most emotional labour I have done for any human being has been for women. Women in particular are very liberal with trauma dumping. I had to leave friendships with people I cared about to escape from women who had no clue what they were doing was problematic. And not just one or two. And I think they knew it was problematic. But they kept doing it. Women aren't good at managing these situations. The core issue is a lack of self-mastery, which manifests as selfishness and either a lack of sel…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:55 PM
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The problem is that if you come right out and say it... 99% of women will vanish (understandably) But do women not bear some responsibility for this? Women are terrible at communicating and leading men on. Sometimes they have valid reasons (safety). Often, not. Her count is higher despite trying to do the right thing. I think you overestimate the amount of women trying to do the right thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:37 PM
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Hmm, acceptance is a transformative solution, though, as Eckhart Tolle covers in his book, A New Earth. But usually when I bring this point I get screamed at that this is not a solution and it would never work. Since most people have given up on humanity as a whole and rather stay in their bubbles there isnt a solution. Well, as someone who hasn't given up, and is working to dismantle those bubbles (I call them matrixes), and actually seeks out solutions, and almost exclusively engages in good f…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:02 PM
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No, it's a spectrum. Which is why it's called ASD.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 11:45 AM
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TRP is just making it worse What better alternative do you propose? What is your or the solution for these people?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 10:52 AM
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Define "personality." If you're talking about values, and generally speaking, people with great privilege don't tend to have the best values, because good values are often forged through suffering. There are exceptions. You can see the same thing with children of rich parents, people who are normative (heterosexual, cis-gender, monogamous, fully abled, omnivorous, capitalist), women who inherited the benefits of feminism but don't reflect feminist values, or anyone who inherited something they d…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 10:49 AM
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So why would I put in the effort to explain that if you have already made up your mind that I'm wrong? Because that's not what I did. I didn't make up my mind, I predicted probability. It's not about changing my mind. It's about exposing what's in yours. Remember, you're the one who made a claim about me with absolute confidence and surety. One could even say, conviction and righteousness. So far, your claim is not holding up well to scrutiny. You're doing the usual thing that people with dubiou…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 10:36 AM
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The lack of choice is just an excuse. Well, no, it's a literal fact for some people, despite whatever mental gymnastics you do privately or publicly in order to uphold your worldview. If you dont like your options opting out of the choices is an option. And people wonder why men get red pilled. Be careful not to choke on your privilege, director.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 10:33 AM
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Ok, let's begin. What do you think I'm indoctrinated by? It's highly likely whatever you say will be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 10:15 AM
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You need to spend some time with people with high needs autism. It's not a mere "language difference."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 10:13 AM
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guys are increasingly bad at vetting and dont pick women with the same values as them. Women are pretty good at portraying one set of values, when they embody another. It's one of their relationship strategies, like the focus on appearance (makeup, beauty routines). And if one has an emotional connection to them, that can blur ones vision, compounding issue. Compounding it further, men don't always have many choices, even if they would like more.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 10:02 AM
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I think rings are a stupid human custom, rooted in problematic things, such as capitalism, which is founded on exploitation. But then I also think marriage is weird. I like culture, but I think people take it too far, to the detriment of themselves and society.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 09:58 AM
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Refer to my flair. This is nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 09:51 AM
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Yep. The narrow interpretation often used here and elsewhere online only serves to validate it further. I'm in the early stages of addressing that once and for all. It's going to take a lot of work. Maybe I'll have something to show in a few years. People who are red pilled don't need it. Though they may still benefit from it, because I'm going to chart a course forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 09:50 AM
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I think that's a really great situation to learn about the person you're with. What would you do if you insisted but they went ahead and paid half or the full amount?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 01:55 AM
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Some men are really into playing their role, like a character in a role playing game. If you say they can't main tank, they have an identity crisis and flip out. But that's a different reaction to being flustered.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 01:41 AM
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What is wrong with awkwardness? You don't need to spend to access chill and friendly spaces. Why do you need something to do, other than talking? It's a first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 02:37 PM
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Which can be flustering. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 02:35 PM
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Or you could not spend anything on a first date. Much cheaper, much better way to find out if they're there for money, or because they like you. They can bring their own food or drinks if they want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 01:54 PM
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Why do men get flustered?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 01:49 PM
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I actually don't like that stage. It's like a false horizon. I would rather skip that stage and get to the real relationship. These days if I was seeking a relationship, I would focus on sabotaging that stage to some degree by injecting doses of reality into it. I'm not really interested in going through lengthy periods like that and forming emotional bonds with people who will ultimately prove to be incompatible or problematic. Let's get that stuff out of the way quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 05:50 AM
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I think the lesson here is that we should be seeking to understand people and each other rather than demonising people unnecessarily. Including people who are taboo or engage in taboo behaviours. It doesn't mean we should tolerate harm. But we could do better at understanding it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/08/25 05:40 AM
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You're ignoring the social context, and how it impacts epigenetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 01:48 AM
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Why don't we ask men to choose better but uglier women? My constant advice to men and women is to choose better, by prioritising things other than looks. And to understand what women actually find attractive, beyond looks. As I cover here: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/M4J2vzE02V why men who are concerned with dead beadrooms, alimony, child support , cheating dont pick uglierwomen that they arent turned on by so they never get any of these problems? You assume that who you call "ugl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 01:26 PM
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My understanding is people in the manosphere believe that women are devalued, ruined or made impure for having sex with men, and each man she has sex with increases the magnitude of said devaluation or impurity. This appears to imply, whether intentionally or inadvertently, that sex with men necessarily makes a person worse off. That understanding is wrong. What even is the "manosphere"? Is there a consistent definition? Not everyone who is red pilled believes the same thing, or identifies as pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 12:22 PM
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There was a good video I watched on YouTube where a woman committed to 30 days of intimacy with her husband. If she wasn't feeling like penetrative sex that day, she would at least do something. And the result was that he was much more loving and intimate and much what you would expect. I wish I could find that video. There's a few of them but this one was really good because it was done by a woman who works in the space of sexuality. If anybody knows which video I refer to, I would appreciate a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 12:06 PM
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People are suffering plenty already. It's not a future thing, it's happening now.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 10:58 AM
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Low key eugenics. Are the "wasteful eaters" next? This sort of nonsense led China to their one child policy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 10:56 AM
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Does George have a channel? Typical, another excuse to avoid finishing his book.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 10:52 AM
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Serious partners should be highly similar in emotional intelligence, income, and background. What sort of weird classism is this? You think only people with similar income and background are compatible? Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 08:33 AM
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Yep. Women will break rules for men that they are attracted to. I used to think women were amazing and more enlightened. Spending time with them quickly shed that illusion. They're just like everyone else. I find it a bit odd that these days we seem to be trying to hunt for "women's attention" like it's some sort of precious commodity. It indicates fundamental issues with our society.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 01:27 PM
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I honestly can't think of anything. I tend to think lying and secret keeping is for the weak. Honesty requires strength. Truth is important. Though, with some exceptions, I find women don't much like honesty. They prefer comfortable fictions. This is not a trait unique to women; current era humans have a terrible relationship to and alignment with truth. Though one can generally be more direct with men. I find women tend to put how they feel above the truth. I've seen it too consistently to igno…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 02:37 PM
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I wouldn't lie, and generally don't lie. Good men exist. It doesn't improve one's situation. It makes it harder. Women generally don't want good men. They want convenience and novelty. Neither things being good provide in ample supply. Most humans in our current society aren't good, men and women included. They have the potential, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 02:18 PM
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Try accomplishing self esteem and actualisation without love and belonging. As someone who has, it exacts a toll. I don't recommend it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 11:38 AM
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The lies of society and how people treat each other take their toll. We need to address both. We need solutions that work for everyone. Can you link to that post?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 08:09 PM
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Then how do you explain the cases where entire communities are tricked by psychopaths who did henious crimes? They probably didn't see the red flags. Most people are easy marks. We need to make strong, more savvy, resilient citizens. And yes, doing something about sociopaths and psychopaths would help, too. Our society ignores them at its peril. Then how do you explain the cases where entire communities are tricked by psychopaths who did henious crimes? Can you give an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 08:06 PM
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Nope, as someone who was abused as a kid, I don't put up with violent tendencies in my life. If you want a woman who will put up with holes in walls and tantrums in public, go elsewhere. It's not like I've ever had trouble finding a non-violent man. Nobody said that you, specifically, need to put up with this behaviour. I invited you to think about other people for just a moment, in order to understand something deeper. Everyone here needs to chill out and stop thinking about themselves for a li…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 01:20 PM
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Lately I've been seeing a trend of women excusing horrible behavior under the guise of "well women were oppressed So.." u/Luciansleep, the name for what you're talking about is called victim entitlement. The channel of the person who made that video: https://youtube.com/@newhappyco She has a very good video that I haven't been able to find on her channel, but someone re-uploaded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwvnuLWVRIM&t=0 It covers this topic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie Very relev…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 01:01 PM
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I actually think it is to an extent, given how men are socialised. Unpacking that would take more time than I have. But try to think beyond the behaviour, to the why behind it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 12:44 PM
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Everytime a woman brings up bad experiences with men its followed by “well, you shouldnt have been with Chad or felons, choose better. Women even want serial killers”. Their default is bitching about women that fuck felons and obnoxious jock bad boy assholes. The idea is to seek out good men. I understand the retort is that men act good then change later. In my experience, there are red flags people are missing, just as I used to miss red flags until I learned from experience. You completely mis…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 12:38 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 12:18 PM
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the assholes I dealt with were never hot tattooed career felons. Are people suggesting that nerds and introverts can't be of poor character? Do you have some examples of that? Many people are not of good character, regardless of sex or gender. Poor character is not a man or woman issue—it's an issue with people in our current society. Good character is pretty rare. The most common thing is politeness and perhaps civility, but people's masks drop pretty quick. In case you wanted examples: Good ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 12:04 PM
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This idea of a woman having ravenous desire for a random man off the street is the male equivalent of a 6'10 billionaire falling in immediately love with a completely average woman off of the street. Yes, I agree. And that's not at all what I was talking about. Which I already mentioned. I.e. you can waste months or years of your life with people who like you, or what you give them, but aren't really attracted to you, don't really desire you. As they say in the red pill space, "it's your turn." …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 08:09 AM
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As a man, I think of the same things. Safety less so. There are women who say they want a serious relationship, but don't or aren't ready, and use you. It's akin to men wanting casual sex. They want a casual boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 10:14 PM
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Interests and income are fairly superficial traits. Beliefs less so, but I generally have different beliefs to friends, because I have different beliefs to 99% of people. The point of compatibility I often have are values, and sometimes spiritual connection. Spiritual connection is a difficult point of compatibility, because even with that connection, most people don't know how to handle those types of relationships. It's a little bit like most people don't know how to interact without eating or…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 12:40 PM
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Often, no. I've also gone periods of my life where I had no friends. I think a lot of people here have no idea what that's like. They don't understand how similar to other people they are, and how that significantly increases the amount of people they have compatibility with. Or how privileged they are, and how that has helped them, and how lack of privilege screws other people over. For some people, the social networks posters suggest people draw on don't exist, and are very difficult to create…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 12:14 PM
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Yep. The idea of "just X (befriend, hangout with, get introductions from, or whatever the advice is) women you know" assumes there are women, and compatible women, readily available. It's another example of not understanding privilege, class, and normativity bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:59 AM
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Yes, I didn't say compatibility isn't important, though I think it can look very different to what one may expect. I'm trying to highlights non-obvious things that go against conventional wisdom and social conditioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:47 AM
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Your comment wasn't a disagreement, it was a low empathy, bad faith strawman used to laugh at people, and based on a misinterpretation. Which you doubled down on even after I explained what I meant, gaslighting me and suggesting I should leave. I don't mind disagreement or having my points challenged, but I detest bad faith, and using it as a bludgeon against people. It's cruel and should have no place here. It's not debate. This is debate: https://paulgraham.com/disagree.html
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:43 AM
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I'll ignore your bad faith attack, and clarify: It's not an obsession with being desired. It's what men learn from the experience of not being genuinely desired. If you want to waste months or years with, and money on people who see or use you as an interchangeable commodity and were never serious or interested in you, despite what they say, you're free to. This is why men have male specific communities for talking about this stuff. And why I talk about social masks. You dropped yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:27 AM
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You forgot: Breakup/divorce Repeat Isolation
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:00 AM
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It absolutely baffles me hearing people here talking about having these massive "social circles" and friend networks. It's why I say there are many people here who have no idea how important a role privilege, normativity, and class play in all this. I found it difficult to find friends when I was actively trying to and had lots of time available. Doing that when you're busy or dealing with life stuff is a pipe dream. But then you also hear them talk about having good or best friends who they don…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 01:54 AM
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Genuine desire is very important. Nothing else matters if you don't have that. Compatability means nothing without that, and you can waste months or years of your life with people who like you, or what you give them, but aren't really attracted to you, don't really desire you. As they say in the red pill space, "it's your turn." You're interchangeable, and probably will be exchanged when convenient. Find someone who doesn't treat you like that. Telling the difference can be hard, but the indicat…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 01:47 AM
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Arguably the women who are adjacent to your life will have lots in common with you ie. career, income level, education, belief systems. Are you seriously suggesting people live in weird bubbles like this where one's friends have such commonalities? Do you? How does that even come about? the advice is generally to expand your social circle How? Given your other comments, I'm very curious. Talking about what takes longer is so sad to me, because it makes it seem as though you're only interested in…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 01:43 AM
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This is because women who r into casual sex are more impulsive, less safe, etc than women how don’t participate in casual sex (the same is true for men). They are the minority. Are they? Casual sex seems pretty normalise these days. So does serial monogamy. Most women rarely or if ever participate in casual sex. That has not been my experience. I don't remember what the objectives that say about that. Women who don’t Ike to participate in casual sex need safety etc for it to happen, women who re…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 11:07 AM
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An option you wouldn’t consider isn’t really an option. I'm not talking about those. I'm talking about the many options they would consider. Many women aren't that picky. And “many women” — the many women I encounter — well were celibate, you should check out our pond You encounter many celibate women? Of course it can happen, but you're either very young, or there's some sort of cultural factor in play. Younger women tend to be waiting longer to have sex these days. It's part of a general shift…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 11:02 AM
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In my experience relationships where women have realistic, grounded standards that aren't: rooted in unhelpful social conditioning such as the fairy tales and romantic comedies that present unrealistic twisted by trauma based in some sort of supremacy or entitlement, and instead grounded in a realistic view of normal humans Tend to be a huge relief. I don't derive my sense of masculinity from women. I don't really care what people think of me. I just want to focus on important things, and live i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 10:58 AM
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I think our society is obsessed with superficial traits, to our detriment. Women torture themselves and each other to meet impossible standards, and slice and inject themselves because of it. Men tie their worth in physical training that is neither healthy nor functionally useful, and obtaining status at the expense of contribution. I've seen women go after people they find attractive, and end up with a string of terrible experience. Or they create terrible experiences because they're too focuse…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 10:58 PM
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If that were true, society would be a better place.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 09:42 PM
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Which just highlights the selfish tone of this sub. This is not unique to this subreddit. This is a common trait all throughout society. It's even cropped up when you and I spoke about opportunities people have in another thread. People of our time are very selfish and individualistic. So much so that many people can't even see it, because they don't know the difference. Being selfish is so normal to them, they can't see the water they swim in. Or as I have been referring to it as, people here h…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 09:36 PM
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Human connection is everywhere Is it? I can spend days interacting with humans and still not have any human connection. Just like we are more connected than ever before, but not more connected. And richer than kings and queens, but still poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 09:30 PM
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No, that's not what fascism means.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 09:26 PM
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No. When a leftist calls someone a fascist, they mean something specific, because they understand history. There is a difference between a liberal and a leftist.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 09:21 PM
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I would not, have not. Not everyone lives like an unconscious zombie being controlled by their baser instincts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 07:54 PM
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My point was, they always have access to sex. I covered the point you addressed in the above paragraph
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 11:06 AM
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I think this is a stawman argument. It's not that women have more bad options. They have more options, period. There are so many women who, if they were men, would struggle significantly to find a relationship because of their situation and issues. But because they're women, they don't. So the argument becomes," Men should raise their standards." The realistic outcome of that is they would raise their standards to near zero compatible, willing matches. there's a reason women tend to have lower u…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 03:26 AM
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I think it's more about lamenting the state of society. As someone who identifies as purple pilled, I feel like you should know this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 06:17 PM
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How do you find or encounter said women?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 06:13 PM
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get some fame rubbed off on you Very unfortunate choice of words. 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 02:29 PM
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Quotas based on sex (male, female) are too shallow to be useful alone. We have to account for talent, and capitalism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/25 01:47 PM
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You're not wrong, but I've had plenty of meaning and purpose for a long time, and that had zero impact on my desire to find a partner. And being so replete with meaning and purpose, and that meeting a society that doesn't give a damn about that, is what red pilled me. I've written about it previously. "The manosphere" is just a community of people. Communities aren't going away. It was created because men were lacking community. Being red pilled is the desirable state. Ideally we want everyone t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 01:31 PM
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There used to be more talks about stoicism and getting your shit together, but I haven't seen these topics to be brought up a lot on PPD for some time. Stoicism isn't necessarily healthy. I prefer to talk about strength rather than stoicism. I think a lot of stoicism is patriarchal conditioning. Oh, I do not claim that it's easy in any way. It's still something men would greatly benefit from though, and I think some issues can't be resolved without men letting go of at least some ideas about the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 04:53 AM
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I liken those cycles to The Matrix films—perpetual loops we trap ourselves in, generating energy for people who profit from it, instead of using it to free ourselves. Matrix 4 was a great example of that. I empathise, and glad you felt seen. I appreciate you supporting what I wrote with lived experience. Try to create the conditions to address your situation if you can. It gets more difficult as you get older, but you have a lot of options at your current age. And realistically, you may need yea…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 04:37 AM
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By TRP I mean the usual set discussed here - hypergamy, women are the eldest children in the house (which downplays any possible abuse perpetuated by them), men have to hold the frame and spin plates, hot and cold games etc. Yeah, there's a bit more to it than that. I'm starting to see why people have such trouble understanding. Men have to learn to support each other. There's a good thread that addresses why this isn't as simple as you make it sound: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/h…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 12:48 AM
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u/mar-uh-wah-nuh Due to advances made by the feminist movement, women now have the defined roles. Men are still constrained, and many women don't seem to care This is partly what red pilled people are saying—that one can't "improve yourself" if you're what you're up against is social factors, including women who see men as a problem and are uncritical about themselves and refuse to change. E.g. there's a good comment about how much emotion men can express before women start treating them differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 12:10 AM
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Trying to understand the psychology and sociology of the man vs woman culture war and wedge issue, in order to fix society and save our species and the ones we share the planet with. I wrote about it in more detail here: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/8pPrR3235E
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 09:54 PM
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Right, but also using it to justify a misogynistic ideology Given that my definition of being red-pilled extends far beyond relationships, I find it odd to consider it a misogynistic ideology. And being red pilled when it comes to relationships is not even an ideology. And not even what people call "the red pill" is an ideology. A lot of people here who talk about being red pilled don't actually understand what it is. This is one of the problems with the people who interact here. They're almost …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 07:27 PM
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When responding to someone's comment, but referring to someone else's comment, it is helpful to use the term "one's" rather than "your." A certain political ideology does the very same all the time. What political ideology?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 07:21 PM
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Sometimes people just aren't a good fit for you and a lot of guys try to problem solve their relationships rather than see the relationship itself as the problem. Or worse still, see themselves as the problem that has to change. I've seen it in my own life, I've seen it in others, lot of guys don't know how to quit and look for other people. And more than that, a lot of people aren't good people. The people who are most insidious are people who have carefully crafted a social mask that makes the…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 07:17 PM
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Abuse often doesn't start with clear physical abuse Abuse doesn't have to be physical. And men are socially conditioned to downplay abuse from women. I'm not sure that TRP is helpful here though. I am. Though what you mean by "TRP" and what I mean are probably different. I never call it that. supportive social circle People are really into these supportive social circles, aren't they? They're a little more difficult to build than I what people think—especially women. I don't think I've ever had …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 07:13 PM
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Yes, it was. But it was not only that, and Matrix 4 literally says that in the film. I.e. https://youtu.be/bf9J35yzM3E I am not "your dude."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 07:04 PM
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I appreciate you sharing this. I didn't know about that. This is the type of nuance and consideration we need here. The cultural and life experience differences here are vast, and I find it both amusing and depressing that people pretend like they don't exist. Where did you learn the terms guess/ask culture? Did you name them, or does it have another origin? As a thank you, since you said you're from the south, here's a video of Conan O'Brien going to southern etiquette school. https://www.youtu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 09:49 AM
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"men who are unsuccessful with women aren't good or aren't kind". I sense this sentiment a lot in the interactions here. It's pretty disgusting. People are just waiting to judge you, label you, and feed their biases. Until we have an alternative that doesn't do that, red pill content--including content that's sexist, misogynist, and right-wing--will continue to fill that void.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 09:37 AM
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the blue pill isn’t real This is such a bluepill thing to say. People in the Matrix would say the same of The Matrix, wouldn't you say?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 09:35 AM
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Would you think it’s reasonable for your friend to stay with a partner who constantly berates them or is abusive? Most likely not. Would you want them to let people walk all over them? Not really. Depending on the root of the issue it might be hard to address on your own though, and getting some professional help might be a good idea. The issue is women are not typically abusive in that way--it's less confrontational and more subtle and manipulative, and they're likely very experienced with it t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 09:30 AM
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Redpill content. Find good-faith content creators and filter it for misogyny, sexism, and right-wing politics. It'll save you years of life experience and unnecessary suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 09:27 AM
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I agree it was healthier back then. I've about PUA for a long time but didn't use it, and went the path the left advocate for. Ironically, that's what red pilled me. So I find it amusing when people suggest it's right wingers who are the cause of all this while they ignore the social issues that are the true cause, which only perpetuates the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 01:54 AM
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It's because: Right wing people are attracted to it for various reasons and it's easy to graft their politics onto it the right are better at making content and drawing people to their cause than the left, so there's more content by them, and it's more prominent leftists are generally insufferable and self-defeating, have ridiculous purity tests, and are often incongruent and contradictory, making them uncompelling alternatives to the right. Liberals even more so. Current era humans love tribali…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 12:20 AM
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I'm concerned about the future of emotionally healthy people, and healthy families in general. Why does this concern you? And are you doing anything about your concerns?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 04:57 PM
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You get it. It looks like the collapse of society, which we're currently witnessing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 04:55 PM
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What is a well-adjusted man? It's an odd euphemism.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 04:53 PM
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Why do you think that being successful with women and "marriageable" (what an odd concept) cannot equate with one being bitter? Women can make men plenty bitter. How do you think people got red pilled? It wasn't Andrew Tate. I read things from divorced, red pilled men all the time who have chosen the lifestyle you talk about, after women have screwed them over.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 04:51 PM
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Good men want good for other people even if they don't get what they want themselves. In our current society, you can only do that for so long before it becomes unsustainable. I think you're talking about successful men. There's a difference between good men and successful men. well adjusted men who contribute to their social networks and communities and value commitment and family were being overlooked What sort of contribution to their communities are you talking about? I'm guessing someone wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 04:16 PM
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I don't mind complaints about objectification. It's a genuine issue. I do mind when people are incongruent, and objectify themselves for benefits, or others. I think you have a valid point, and society has gone insane. I'm conflicted in how far we should take sexuality. I think we need to consider the cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 12:34 PM
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You've replied to the wrong person.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 11:40 AM
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you yourself cant come up with a list of red flags yourself. I'm pretty sure I could. But it's not really something that should be turned into a list. It's something that involves more subtle signals. This is why it is important for women to cultivate self-awareness and practise self-improvement. In doing so, one can eventually cultivate subtle senses that allow to detect this stuff without needing a list. And beyond that, it makes you less likely to be susceptible to men like that because you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 05:02 PM
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fucking bad boys I've heard so many of them say that they know it's bad to do, but they do it because it's so good, like an addiction. 'Nuff said.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 04:58 PM
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I don't think they're a troll, but I do think they have an axe to grind and chip on their shoulder. You can see it from reading their post. If they see this comment, I would like to hear what that might be. As in, what motivated them to post this. What are they hoping to accomplish?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 04:54 PM
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There's a reason why so many women love true crime. Sure, some of it is educational. But on some level, I think lots of them like the drama. I can't watch much true crime. Real life is dramatic enough, and I see criminals everywhere. I don't need to watch a concentrated version on a TV.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 04:53 PM
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Women like to play with fire, and they often end up burning themselves. They'll even tell you this. There are some women who don't want to play with fire who end up getting burned. Society should do a better job of helping women like that. But other women are often slaves to their based instincts, and quite happily.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 04:48 PM
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Why do you disagree? With what?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 02:16 PM
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Perceptions about what? I kept reading your post looking for a question, but didn't find any, and you ended on a statement. I have had many bad experiences with women. I used to love women! I thought they were far superior to men. They changed my mind. I'm not sure whether I've had more bad experiences with men. I don't like mainstream men very much, they're a bit like cave men to me, and they don't treat people very well. Vulnerability? I find vulnerability is generally punished in our society,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 12:37 PM
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Just depends on the person. have friends see once every 2 years, but when we do, it's like no time has passed. Some of my best friends haven't lived in the same state as for over 10 years. By contrast, I have friends talk to every week. Do you talk to them (via social media, messaging apps, or phone call) or see their social media posts between then? Is it that men literally value friends who don't call them, or that men are afraid to be a burden? Not quite. We value friends who don't call on us…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 12:35 PM
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When I say it, I mean have a bond that allows you to be very vulnerable around that person. It's someone you trust, understand, want to support They're also someone who supports you in return Can you give some examples of what that support looks like? Good friends don't necessarily have to be in your life constantly, (although regularity to an extent does help). How often, would you say? I've heard people say they have good friends they hardly ever speak with. I find this perplexing. It's like s…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 02:00 AM
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Women are constantly improving. This is a stereotype. Some women are. Many don't. I improve at a much greater rate than most people, women included. It has not made me more desirable. The opposite, actually. I make this destination because it's a social lie that being a better person makes you more attractive and successful. Being a better person makes your life harder, because you start being at odds with society. The one characteristic I see in the answers on this thread: selfish hedonism. No …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 01:50 AM
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What does a "genuine deep bond with friends" look like? In my experience, few people are capable of that. So I wonder if my version of deep is different to yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 01:23 AM
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Maybe. But planting seeds and talking about stuff helps. Hasan Piker frequently has people saying in his chat how his political commentary, which is focused on education, helped them become more progressive. Society and democracy is made up of billions of little moments like this. So long as you manage your investment, it's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 11:28 AM
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Are you saying you can't or you won't? If it's can't, why can't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 03:32 PM
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It's just evolution. It's largely irrational and the product of a time and society we no longer live in. Which is why having self-awareness and a high level of consciousness is so important, otherwise you're just a zombie controlled by biological and reproductive impulses, social conditioning, and rich people. More information about this: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/ccetGgPkGx https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/CSXmhZC0FS
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 03:17 PM
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Been there, done that. Some of us want society to be better. Weak men make hard times. What times are we going through now?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 02:57 PM
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Why would that be racist? Ghetto isn't a race. Trashy isn't a race. Looking into systemic racism and dogwhistles is going to blow your mind. It's possible to engage in racism without intending to or realising it. Lookism is like sexism or ageism. It's a sort of supremacy. I may not like certain styles, but I don't assume other styles are inherently better than them, or makes one a higher class of person.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 02:25 PM
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You must. It's just less painful that way. Otherwise you'll be stuck crying for 8 days in a row. You need to protect your career and not be the emotional bagholder Fortunately I have principles, and principles make one strong—especially in our society, that lacks them. We have become incredibly weak as a people. I will not be joining in on the selfish hedonism that is leading our society ruin.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 02:14 PM
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No, we want to fix the issues with society that result in chad being so sought over, which wouldn't happen as much in a healthy society.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:54 PM
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Yes. Use my promo code, SeekSomeTea, when signing up, to receive a bonus IT security package
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:52 PM
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It sounds pretty conspiratorial What part?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:48 PM
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Good question. Here's a good take on that form a bisexual leftist (socialist): https://youtu.be/S1KO-7EzKXc
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:46 PM
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This is partly why I so strongly dislike the advice that people just need to do activities and attend things. It's completely possible to do all of that and still not encounter compatible women. This leads to two insights: people have varying degrees of compatibility with other people in society. The ones with lower compatibility must focus on addressing that, and ignore what clueless normies say. it's not about attending things, like spinning a roulette wheel. You must be in spaces where there …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:43 PM
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It has a MASSIVE marketing problem. Rightwing people aren't helping, which is ironic, since they're usually effective at influencing people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:33 PM
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What do you mean those guys were all ghetto and trashy Isn't that kind of racist? Or lookist?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:31 PM
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Can you elaborate on what was disgusting about them, based on that video?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:30 PM
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We didnt need proof in the first place, Right. Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself. —Morpheus If you show someone who isn't ready red pill principles, they'll find a way to explain them away. This is something people don't understand about being red pilled: it doesn't start with principles. It starts with experience. It's an experience. Or many over time. The principles come after you wake up from your pod and feel the plugs in your arms.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 01:26 PM
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I would not lead someone on for a month and a half. And if I cared about them, which if you're in a relationship with them, you should, I'd make sure they're ok. Unless they were abusive. That's a different situation. The issue isn't breaking up. The issue is when people do it, the reasons behind it, and how it is done.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 12:35 PM
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I think it's a mistake to gender this type of stuff. I've had terrible experiences with women and men. The common denominator? They were humans bourne of our current society. Women and men both have their own strengths and weaknesses. The same is true for people. Some people are not very good humans. Some people are reasonable humans in the wrong role. Reminds me of this quote: "Black faces in high places are not going to save us. Just look at the black proponents of Cop City in Atlanta's leader…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 11:57 AM
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u/Vaudeville_Clown going to reply to your comment here because I can't your reply directly because your reply is attached to a user that I blocked. A lot of us yearned for a long time to be understood and held. Until we saw it didn't jive with female sexuality. Thus we hardened, starting to excude strength instead. The gay male relationships ought to be the absolute standard of heterosexual ones imo. This is a really good point and I find it interesting how much gay people and other non-normativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 11:44 AM
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There is a path out of that dynamic, however, but it requires self-awareness, introspection, and raising one's level of consciousness. Something people seem to absolutely refuse to do. They would rather society burn and demonise other people than do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 11:38 AM
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Men end up bitter on the internet after they already failed to date, it is not the root cause. This is probably the number one thing that people who are not red pilled fail to understand. People don't get red pilled by Andrew Tate. They get red pilled by women and society. Teenagers at school who are a nightmare for their teachers and espousing Andrew Tate lines are not red pilled. If anything, they're moving down the right-wing pipeline. But most of them would lack the life experience to be red…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 11:33 AM
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What's funny is your advocating for the group that would betray you in an instant (men) Am I? while attacking the group Am I? The answer to both is no. I'm making another point. the group who would actually protect you and show you remorse and empathy (women). Would they? That hasn't been my experience. People, men and women, mostly care about themselves, and tend to lack character. You have been conditioned to think this way by men. Nope. Your entire premise is flawed and you're very presumptuo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 08:34 AM
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Has your experience with "dropping the mask" coincided with opening up about red pill views? Nope. Because you're the only common denominator. You don't seem to be evidence to the contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 08:25 AM
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Women are nicer as a result of socialisation and self advantage. When they no longer see a need to engage in performative niceness, they drop the social mask and can be quite harsh. I used to think differently, but experience has taught me otherwise. I find women tend to be more empathetic than men, though men are more reasonable. That's also a socialisation thing, and partly innate. If what you said is true, women being in positions of power would be a universally good thing. But it's not. Ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 02:36 AM
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I've never experienced a single woman try to single me out, gaslight me or come after me for anything that I've done, even the women have children with. Lucky you. Because you were in a male dominated environment, so the people of poor character are likely to be men. Try working in a female dominated environment and see how that plays out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 02:30 AM
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Thanks for explaining. I understand now. We view volunteering differently. I see it as doing work to improve society, and treat it as seriously, or more seriously, than for-profit work. There is no or little time to meet and get to know people, and it's a professional setting, not a social setting. You don't hit on people in such settings. It's unprofessional, generally taboo, and often unwise. If one does have time to meet and get to know people in those roles, they're not really contributing m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 01:34 AM
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A lot of the biggest subreddits on this website are filled with self-described socialisms and "anti-capitalists" I'm familiar with those subreddits. They are not the biggest subreddits on this website by any means. Even on very popular fringe subreddits, people tend to be centrist or left leaning. Certainly not far left. And socialism and anti-capitalism isn't really far left anyway. Those people would be referred to as leftists. If you want to understand what far left is: https://youtube.com/wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 05:23 PM
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So how are people getting into relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 05:18 PM
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It's not considered taboo to talk to women at any of the places I mentioned. so when you say volunteering and networking events, you're referring to things outside of one's profession? If so, I'm not really sure where one gets time to have a job and also volunteer. And I never understand the notion of meeting people socially through volunteering. If you're actually volunteering and you're not just slacking off, you don't really have time to meet people. You're busy working. What sort of networki…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 05:16 PM
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I've done most of those things and there was always a lack of women there, especially women my age. And that's not even talking about compatible women. That's a whole other issue. And in some of those venues, women don't actually want to be approached. Or it's considered taboo to approach them there. I think a lot of women, especially mainstream, normative women, overestimate the amount of friends that men have, the size of their social groups, and the amount of compatible women that many men en…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:47 PM
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I would agree with that. Despite everyone characterising, many of them here. As far right, many of them are seem conservative or centrist, with some conservative or progressive leanings. There are definitely those that are far right, but most people don't take them very seriously. I do notice that women here tend to use them as a metric generalise though, essentially stereotyping unnecessarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:39 PM
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Women (and men) on Reddit overwhelmingly lean towards the far left, No, they don't. I bet your Overton window is skewed. What do you define as far left? introverted, socially awkward type On the contrary, most people I encounter on Reddit are very normative. Even on fringe subreddits.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:37 PM
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Coachella is super niche compared to Reddit, as is clubbing. Normal people aren't doing those things. So what is it that normal women are doing? Where are they? Apart from home and work.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:33 PM
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I have gotten laid through reddit. How does that happen? Are you doing it through localised subreddits?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:30 PM
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What other venues are the average women you refer to at that are suitable for approaching them?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:29 PM
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It doesn't really matter because those women who stay at home will still get more advances than the average man, regardless of whether they are in shape, or how much they earn, or what job they have, or whether they still live with their parents, or can drive a car, or own a car, or have a college degree, or any number of things that will disadvantage a man when trying to find a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:26 PM
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I think a lot of people are going to get served for deformation. They need to hold it together and not get bent out of shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:22 PM
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There are plenty of conventionally attractive women who use Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:20 PM
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Women are in a survival situation for most of their lives, unsure of when things will turn bad, and ill equipped to do much about it when they do. E.g. women: get sick from self-censorship Face medical discrimination are left out of medical trials have men mislead and lie to them so they can get dates Have their reproductive rights systemically curtailed and criminalised have to choose between seeing their family or staying in their home state or having access to critical care and not being crim…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 01:51 PM
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That was always my approach, because I'm not compatible with most people. Capitalism and current era humans make me want to avoid online dating. People are the problem. Hmm, depends on what was posted. It is a red flag, though I understand the reason women may do it, and it's a symptom of deeper issues and my focus is on those issues instead of the manufactured men vs women wedge issue. Nobody is perfect, I'm not into treating people as disposable commodities, and issues like this can be address…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 12:47 PM
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It's a spectrum, not a binary. And everyone falls somewhere along it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 03:17 AM
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It's not the tool, it's the people who use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 02:25 AM
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It's reasonable for them to assume all men are violent, however, until proven otherwise, as a survival strategy. I approach people in a similar way, much like the characters in The Matrix approach bluepills (coppertops). Historic and current era humans are defined by violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 01:49 AM
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Reproductive care, aka, the ability to not die from a preventable condition but the state mandates one's death
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 11:21 AM
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Afghanistan
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 11:20 AM
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The past no longer exists. The future doesn’t either. Incorrect. Psychologically, epigenetics, and also culturally. Maybe even spiritually. The past exists in the present. We're not blank slates in every moment. In the future definitely exists in the present, in the form of multiple potentialities. That's how some people are able to foresee it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 10:24 PM
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My only issue would be if her past experiences has her "stuck" at an unhealthy "setting" or expectation. Some women have sex or partner with abusive or inattentive guys, and then carry that expectation into future relationships, expecting more of it, when what they really need to do is work on themselves and heal, so they can be a healthy partner, and maintain healthy relationships. Which is also why guys care about the past experience of women. They have had experience with women like this, or …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 10:22 PM
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Sure. Humans have a stupid relationship to nudity. Most animals on the planet are naked all their lives. Only humans are special snowflakes who need special treatment, and are okay with intense graphic violence and excessive sexualization, but find a female nipple taboo. #FreeTheNipple What's different from selling nudes? I don't think that's a big deal for me, either. But I feel like someone who sells nudes wouldn't be very compatible with me in terms of values, since I'd prefer someone who doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:01 PM
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Well this is a debate subreddit and if you're not actually going to debate and consider what other people share, that's antithetical to the point of the community.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 08:19 PM
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Of course you don't. But then why are you even here?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:34 PM
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As they say online, "the juice is not worth the squeeze." Emily King has good commentary and examples of this. https://youtube.com/@emilywking
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:34 PM
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Yes, economic, but society has also changed and the mask has come off. We're in the midst of massive changes right now. Modernity is dead. We're moving into a different era.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:31 PM
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Like systemic racism, it's difficult to not do this unless you make the effort to.its what I call patriarchal conditioning, which collectively results in the what people call "the patriarchy," which is not about men, but a set of social systems, institutions, and cognitive patterns.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:15 PM
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Men could stop serving themselves for a while and build that. Or develop the internal qualities to be able to foster relationships like that. Men face genuine issues, but many men are selfish and don't care about the suffering around them. As a self-actualized man, the amount of other self-actualized men I encounter is shockingly low. It's like being surrounded by a bunch of cave men. As a man who knows the potential of men, I have higher standards for them and don't think we should treat the on…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 02:04 AM
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So for you respect is something only for certain groups or people, not a human dignity you extend to fellow humans? Do you have an issue with people are "nuts"? You realise that's a term that perpetuates stigma of people with mental health conditions? Do you also use the same labels for people with medical conditions or disabilities? Do you actually understand the value that sex workers can have in society? Or are you just forming conclusions from ignorance and prejudice, like your other stateme…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:59 AM
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Yeah, men suck. I empathise with women. But women also suck, in different ways. (Pun not intended) I empathise with men. It's not a men vs woman thing, it's a current era humans thing. We all need to be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 02:00 PM
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Not all progressives. I'd argue progressives who do aren't very progressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 01:31 PM
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Why do you demean sex workers by referring to them as hookers, and suggesting that all sex workers engage in the type of work you imagine when you say "hooker"?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 12:23 PM
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Thanks, interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 11:11 AM
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That's a very weighted (ableist, classist) interpretation of what I said. I wasn't talking about people who can't function in society, though there are people close to that level of functionality, and they should be able to have relationships, including sexual relationships, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 10:47 AM
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No; I'm not into marriage, a bizarre human ritual. Can't have sex? Define "sex." Even asexual people engage in sexual acts. Would I consider them as a long-term partner? Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 01:29 AM
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You can feel insulted, but generally speaking, you're doing pretty well for yourself, wouldn't you say? There are many people who are not, including people at higher or lower levels of functioning, and who have made varying levels of effort to address that. My point is that conditions like ADHD and high functioning autism, while still a challenge, have significant social support these days and there are people who do not, who fare worse. There are people who there is no current diagnosis for, or…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 01:25 AM
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I see. I'm used to neurodiverse people who are much more disadvantaged and less privileged than those you refer to, which explains the disconnect. People who are further along the neurodiversity spectrum. It seems you're talking about people who have ADHD or something, which is not very neurodiverse. I have no conditions, and I'm probably more neurodiverse than those people. They would find me difficult to relate to because of how normative they are. It's a little bit like people who say, "I was…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 12:12 AM
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What specifically are you asking? I've never been part of any culture, so the concept that there are subcultures of casual sex, and people talk about this as if it's a normal thing people know about, amazes me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:24 PM
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Neurodiverse people shouldn't get married? That's a new one. I didn't say that. But getting married is a very normative thing. It suggests they're not very neurodiverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:22 PM
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Does adding "long term" change anything? Why do you associate commitment with duration?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 01:11 PM
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I really wonder how many people responding here have actually had experience with single parents. There's a reason they have a reputation and are generally avoided by many men. It's easy to be principled when something doesn't affect you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 01:03 PM
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Dating a single parent long-term means that you'll have to step up as a step parent in the future Not really. The term "dating" has lost all meaning, and now encompasses all sorts of relationships, including ones that are transactional and temporary.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 01:00 PM
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Geeks have their own casual sex culture. Which involves?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 12:51 PM
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They are still out there, but you shoot yourself in the due to repetitive invasive thoughts about being the beta bucks, instead of the, old phrase. "Good time Charlie", because you don't think you could ever be that guy. Why would one want to be that guy? I think many men are looking for something real, instead of transactional hedonism. That our society rewards and normalises the latter is part of the problem. I am only attracted to nerodiverse guys I find it curious that you talk about you and…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 12:50 PM
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Where do you think "red pill" as a concept even comes from?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 10:46 PM
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Economic system.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 10:43 PM
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I'm not new, and I have read the side bar. Rollo Tomassi would disagree with you. And as Rollo says, alphas don't talk about being alphas. Being red pilled is not synonymous with being right wing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 10:42 PM
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We simply are not trying to be good husband material, we are trying to be what women call fuckboys. Speak for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 12:55 PM
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The bottom line is, if you're attractive and affluent or influential, you can afford to be yourself around women. They'll accept nearly anything you do or say, even controversial political views, and find ways to rationalize it and delude themselves into thinking it's cool. Yep, explained here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Vh0hj9ZD9FY I don't actually think that's a good thing. But too many people are slaves to their basic instincts.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 12:02 PM
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You have many misconceptions about what it is to be red pilled. I don't have time to address all of it in detail, there's a lot to unpack. But I've written about it before: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/zER6kHw0oG
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:59 AM
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Well, there's not much I can say to someone who doesn't have any interest in aligning with truth. You won't believe anything I say anyway. I will say this. Capitalism is relatively new and humans managed to get by just fine without it for a very long time. You wouldn't be here if it wasn't for them. Maybe there's something we can learn from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:46 AM
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Wouldn’t they rather want to champion a young girl with not a penny to her? Wouldn’t they want to mentor her into the league of powerful women leaders? No. Of course not. They see you as lower class, and an opponent to defeat. For there to be winners in our society there has to be losers. Those women were sold a lie like most people. It's why intersectionality is important. Feminism has been beneficial for women, but with the intersection of capitalism, it has also been harmful. Schools don't se…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 06:58 AM
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Not capitalism, exploitation, the destruction of the education system, the capture of journalism, and imperialist subjugation by nation states? Only DEI, affirmative action and HR? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 06:44 AM
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Anybody turning this into a men vs woman issue is a class traitor and part of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 06:39 AM
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Tell me about the wars is not the descriptive question you think it is. What even is this? What are you trying to do here? I did not say you are right-wing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 05:23 AM
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It is liberation from something very dark that others CANNOT SEE - so...? I don't know what that means. A stream of thought - why not explain what that video has to do with your thinking? You said that The Matrix was about taking on evil. I corrected you. Perhaps you are woke but sleeping - here we see the real injection... If you think I'm sleeping, feel free to awaken me. Good luck. Right-wing talking points are not going to cut it. Just like being woke is good. Social justice is desirable. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 04:08 AM
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The red pill has a different, non-gendered meaning in other contexts—dark ones. Such as? I've never heard about them and don't care how people twist the red pill behind it's original meaning. It's always a symbol of liberation. Just like being woke is good. Social justice is desirable. Misogyny and sexism are bad. Don't let weird freaks take things from you. The matrix has nothing to do with gender, and everything to do with evil and fighting it. It's literally a trans allegory, made by two tran…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 01:47 AM
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I see. No, I'm talking about the social context and explaining what some boys and men face. It's directly relevant to the thread topic. I often highlight systemic and social issues that can't be overcome through hard work alone, because we need to address it at the social level. It's not whining or nihilism. It's an invitation to empathise, and a call to action. Part of being red pilled is knowing that if we keep telling people things about society that are not true, or not always true, and keep…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 02:41 AM
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Yeah, I learned the hard way before terms like "trauma dumping", "emotional labour", and "self care" were common. These days I'm a terrible shoulder to cry on. Finally, some peace. I still help, but on my terms, and I mostly focus on high level social change rather than consoling all the people affected by the lack of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 05:50 PM
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I don't know what that is. Acknowledging reality is a core tenant of being red pilled, and that includes social factors and dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 05:41 PM
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YOU must be kidding. If you and me have to bet our life savings that your neighbour is a rapist or not, we both know you will chose to gamble hes not. I wouldn't make either bet. Those are bad odds. Sexual assault of women is very common. Look up the stats. Also every man is innocent until proven guilty, thats just basic. I feel like you're doing a lot of gymnastics to avoid my main point. And you're talking about legal guilt. One can be guilty of something even when one hasn't been tried or con…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 04:54 PM
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I'm a white-collar millennial who spent my 20s living in major cities. Do you realise how much privilege that afforded you? I.e. city 20s during that time period white collar ($$$) How many men put in either the same or more effort, and got poor or negative returns? Finding a life partner is not something that you can solve through hard work. It requires social factors. And maybe even factors beyond that. Our society is collapsing. And people seeking relationships now are contending with entirel…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 04:46 PM
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Most men are law abiding citizen. You're kidding, right? Men break the law all the time. Most people don't give a damn about laws. They only care about the consequences. If they are caught. There's a difference. Is your male neighbour a rapist? Possibly. Nobody is perfect so talking about perfection in this context is irelevent Equating my moral standards with perfection is not realistic. We were talking about good, something you have yet to define. If you define good as not raping people and no…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:48 PM
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Define "good." Most men I've encountered do not meet my definition of "good." Admittedly, my moral standards are much higher than most people. Do not confuse this as misandry. Many women do not meet that criteria, either. It's an issue with our society, not men vs women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:35 PM
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We really need more non-normative representation here. So many people speak as if their orientations are the centre of the universe.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:23 PM
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Depends on the woman. Society is not so far gone that all women will just have sex with anyone after a couple dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:18 PM
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It's baffling to me that people are having sex with complete strangers after only a few dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:16 PM
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I call out weak, pathetic men all the time. I agree, many other men don't. But women also engage in similar behaviour. It's not a man vs woman thing, it's a current era human thing. Our society is broken. The cracks are showing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:02 PM
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I think it's because you make yourself emotionally available through your comments. It's a vibes thing. I do not come off as emotionally available. This is deliberate. Nobody comes to me for support. That wasn't always the case. I had to learn to signal differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 02:49 PM
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There's a difference between interacting with women as friends, romantic prospects, or sexual prospects. And between learning from interacting with many women, and learning from women. Many girls and young women don't want to interact with boys or young men, and see some boys and men as "not people." There's a social class difference for many of them, and girls and women are quite willing to play the game for self advancement. I think we have to raise better people. We do a very bad job of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 02:43 PM
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What is containment?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 02:28 PM
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So the idea is, taking the red pill can trap you in a new system of control or suffering. Zizek argued that choosing "truth" (the red pill) may not actually liberate you and that illusion is sometimes necessary to live a meaningful life. He suggests that removing comforting illusions could create new forms of ideological entrapment or despair. The Matrix borrowed ideas from Baudrillard’s Simulacra and Simulation. He warned that "seeing through the simulation" may just trap you in another layer o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 01:34 PM
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In what way does taking the red pill make one a slave? Matrix 4, a reimagining of the original Matrix film, actually addresses the red pill vs blue pill binary. It's a good film, and probably my favourite Matrix film for it's social relevance and artistic merit. Many people here would benefit from seeing and analysing the heck out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 12:27 PM
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What is the saying? Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do. I'm watching, and this is what it always comes back to Always? Or just what you've observed? Yes, that axiom is wise. But you're not watching me, and people like me. On the contrary, you seem to be dismissing me and looking to reinforce your existing biases and prejudice, which you've already said is based on ignorance. If you don't have a theoretical basis for red pilled people, how can you even accurately interpret what you…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 01:27 PM
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Do you realise that is a toxic way to define masculinity? Sort of like a toxic expectation that will not only contribute to more toxic masculinity, but also disadvantage people with healthy masculinity. Masculinity applies to young boys and young men, not just men, so "not having massive insecurities" is not appropriate, nor are insecurities or lack of them a trait of masculinity--they're traits of people. You're essentially doing what I described in my reply to you. I really hope you read my re…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 01:19 PM
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it seems a disproportionately amount of 'lost guys who dont know their place in life' are rarely even left wing and usually jackasses. But not non-existent. You're talking to one. And there are more than you probably realise. I would not describe myself as lost or not knowing my place in life, but I have been significantly screwed over by society and blue pill men and women. Non-binary and queer people, not so much; they're among the better humans I've encountered. My challenge was that I truste…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 12:14 PM
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Well, thanks for admitting your source is rumour and hearsay. And you say you work with women? If so, you have an ethical and professional duty to be informed. Please inform yourself: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/zER6kHw0oG
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 11:00 AM
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It means you believe in superiority over women at its core. Men should be in charge, they should control women however society has decided women have rights now too so being redpilled means you believe women don’t know what’s best for themselves No, it doesn't. You fundamentally don't understand what you are talking about. Where did you even get that definition from? What is your source?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 06:30 AM
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So do many women, to be fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 07:58 PM
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So you're vegan and only date vegan men?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 07:57 PM
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you don't need life experience to know that women are people. Who is arguing that women aren't people? seems like you're making a stawman argument. These men have become redpilled because they believe in male superiority, Which men? So you even know what red pilled means?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 07:35 PM
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Nothing says good faith like passive aggressive insults and dismissal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 11:20 AM
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"Normal" people are leading our society off the cliff in causing massive amounts of unnecessary suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 11:19 AM
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Well, imagine what happens when you treat a girl like that who doesn't have a bunch of issues? Good luck navigating that minefield. What do you suggest young men used to do that? I bet that it would look pretty close to red pill principles. I actually wrote about that recently: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/St054OFDWO I'm very positive that if in the past I had tried to use some hyper manly persona I learned from the internet that most of the women I spent time with would not have b…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 11:16 AM
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I would argue being redpilled is what isolating these young men in the first place. I'm sure there are some boys and young men who ended up going down the right wing pipeline, possibly without realising, and being exposed to red pill principles without any life experience. But generally speaking, I think it happens in reverse: you become red-pilled because of life experience. I would have had a much easier time when I was younger if I knew the red pill principles that I know now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 11:12 AM
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I would say masculinity rather than strength, which encompasses strength but also factors in other qualities. i.e. https://youtu.be/RB1Ed_kvZNM
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 11:10 AM
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Unfortunately women aren't that interested in normal men. If they were, this subreddit wouldn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 11:09 AM
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I found that part amusing too. There are actually a lot of young people today who have never seen The Matrix, so a lot of them wouldn't even know where the concept of red pill even comes from, and why it's absurd to think that people who are red pilled are somehow even close to being the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 11:07 AM
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He's young.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 11:06 AM
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These are some of the things that think are getting lost because we're taught to be so focused on being as hot as possible and getting a partner who is as hot as possible. Why do think that there are people who are red pilled who did not do those things? just that being an actually genuine guy in a world where superficiality is promoted can make you stand out, though some people are gonna call it cope. I thought the same as you at your age. Society had different things in store. Suffice to say, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 11:01 AM
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To equate culture wide solutions with government action i.e. leftist thinking is a huge error. Leftist social and cultural thinking has dominated for the last few generations What has it dominated, specifically? I have to ask these questions because many people on the right have no idea what leftist "social and cultural thinking" is. How so you ask while trotting out some of that very rhetoric: toxic masculinity being applied to all male behavior, men being shamed and made fun of increasingly in…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 10:51 AM
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I'm unsure why negative experiences would push you further "left" Because most of the issues that we face are caused by our society. And if we want to address them, we need to solve it at the level of society. Our current society is what creates the type of people that we encounter within it. left rhetoric and cultural messaging has been precisely what has enabled toxic femininity How so? What rhetoric? People would say the same for men, i.e. right rhetoric has been precisely what has enabled to…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 10:35 AM
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And that brings me to something I don't hear talked about much: the emotional impact on sexually liberal women who are open, confident, and doing everything feminism said was valid but who keep getting passed over for serious commitment. Not shamed. Just... not chosen. After a while, that kind of constant subtle rejection can mess with your head. It starts to feel like some women are stuck in this weird in-between space- celebrated publicly but left out romantically. This is just society lying t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 09:59 AM
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Sadly, I have also experienced this. I wouldn't word it as strongly as you, but women can be very cutthroat, especially to each other, or in groups when they feel free of consequences. But there are also wonderful women out there. The challenge is, it's hard to know which type you're dealing with, since women have pretty good social masks. I've seen it drop enough times to know. Men tend to be more straightforward and direct, which I appreciate. It feels more honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 09:25 AM
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Frankly, if that's how the mods see it, they should probably be replaced. This is about challenging ideology, not people, regardless of what type they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 09:21 AM
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That's not feminism though, that is other issues. In reality, being on the left is pretty unpleasant. It's like living amongst insane people who don't realise they're insane. Like in the Mad King parable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 09:19 AM
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Ive seen many men like myself start their youth more progressive minded only to ditch that shit pretty fast once they had actual experience with women. Ironic; my negative experiences with women pushed me further left. This is why I say, the red pill doesn't prescribe political views. Those, and what solutions red pilled men end up using, will be determined by that particular person. The culture by default tries its hardest to brainwash the young men into being feminists/progressive. Not really.…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 09:15 AM
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Many leftists think like this, myself included. There are people who are more abrasive, difficult, and less reasonable, and some who have left wing political stances but are actually pretty toxic people, but people who are ideology left tend to be like the commenter you replied to. The right has many inaccurate conceptions about the leftists, and many don't even know what a leftist is, and will openly state that they like or agree with leftist policies, if they're not associated with any trigger…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 09:08 AM
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I'm not into casual sex. There are whole dimensions to sex you won't experience with someone you don't know and aren't comfortable with. I think there should be easier ways to find people who want casual, short term relationships that may involve sex, in a way that is more open and honest, with less game playing than there is now. Separate from people who just want casual one night stands or very transactional sex. The same goes for people who want to go on walks and hold hands, cuddle buddies, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 07:32 AM
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I think this confuses the male gaze with the female gaze. I predict women here will generally say that doing to men the female equipment of how men specialise women generally won't do it for them. Men and women are different. Yes, physical looks play a part, and yes, many women prefer men who are conventionally physically attractive, but there's a difference between physical attractiveness and attraction. Physical attractiveness is an advantage and improves attractiveness, but there are other fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 12:33 AM
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Birthrates are a separate topic. And I believe China improved theirs, and Japan is trying. I'm talking about care of children, not how many we make. https://youtube.com/watch?v=BQ5UwUGP090 https://youtube.com/watch?v=DfV0ms7VLnM
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:00 PM
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No, I really don't care about men. They can fend for themselves. I care about society and the future of the species. But keep trying to moral high ground me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 10:53 PM
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Not birthrate, but looking after kids communally.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 10:51 PM
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Yes, though also no. Eastern countries are capitalist and also manage to do a better job with this stuff. I think it comes down to cultural values. I think western cultures are culturally bankrupt, yet somehow think they're superior. Of course, supremacy breeds lots of problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:07 PM
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People. It's not about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:05 PM
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Well, it's complicated. You're always going to have people who are insincere. And you're always going to have people who are sincere and want to help, but have other problems that make that complicated. I'll give you an example that falls into a different category. A tale of two woman-centric subreddits I was a member of a subreddit--lets call it 🔴Subreddit Red--that was woman-centric, but allowed men to contribute there, too. One of the reasons I joined there was to better understand some of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:02 PM
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Yes, I am aware of that. That's why I said that the contention around this topic is absurd and missing the forest for the trees. In many ways, our society is becoming more dysfunctional than that of indigenous tribal communities that managed to live in relative harmony with each other and the ecosystem.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:17 PM
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Who is it that wants that though the dad, or the mum? I love my kids but me, my wife and everyone we know agrees you'd have to be borderline retarded to want to look after a preschool kid 5 days a week. Imagine, raising your own child. I'm critiquing your mentality, though I acknowledge your broader point and agree with it. Western countries have destroyed community and family ties, and descended into an unsustainable, wasteful, individualist society. Other societies would raise children collect…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:17 AM
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I'm a man. I have never wanted a woman to work for me for free. I'm aware that there are different power dynamics in a relationship and different ways to contribute. When it comes to relationships ending and divorce, I think people need to get much better at dealing with those circumstances. I think humans tend to suck at it. People are too selfish and don't do enough to minimise unnecessary suffering. I think most of this stuff stems from a low level of consciousness, and until people actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:13 AM
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They likely prefer a 10 in personality with a 5-10 in looks, than a 8-10 in looks, and a 1-5 in personality. I know people are more than their looks and personality, I'm just simplifying it. It's a bit like being poor. If you're poor and you eventually end up with a better lifestyle, you appreciate it more. But if you've spent your whole life being privileged and getting handed everything, you don't tend to appreciate it And take it for granted. In the context of a relationship, this looks like …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:46 AM
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Lots of these guys lack any ability to be introspective. Lots of people lack ability to be introspective. You're not saying anything that doesn't also apply to other groups of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:15 AM
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The red pill is a misogynistic hate group. The premise of the red pill is HATE for women. Is it? Sources? I don't recall joining a hate group, or condoning hate. It’s the ideology that women are superficial, vapid, stupid, manipulative, and cruel. To be frank, many humans are like this, as I've written about previously: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/QHnD4BeEVZ That's not a woman thing, that's a trait of current era humans. To quote Q from Star Trek: You can't deny you're still a dan…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:14 AM
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For example: When a feminist leader labels the red pill as misogynistic ince group, you will see the idea will be repeated all over even though it doesn't make any sense. However when another authority figure (male celebrities, singers, influencers, writers, etc.) brings up the red pill arguments without the label they agree to it. Yeah, this is actually true. For example, consider Hasan Piker, a popular left wing Twitch streamer who has an audience with many young men, being asked about what yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:48 AM
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Nor was I.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 01:35 PM
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u/EnterEgregore Here's a YouTube playlist that will explain male gaze for you: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLs3srGwbdDFQ50O1FBMscZ9_Qc57DR2WL&si=H_hI71Nc6RW4B7TL
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 01:32 PM
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A bit crazy that you think that every person who answers here keeps doing it with your situation in mind I don't. Don't project your own assumptions onto me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 01:26 PM
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It's mostly when men are good at doing that sort of thing. It's a bit like being tech savvy, the moment you show someone that you are, they always want to draw on you. I recommend not showing this trait. Choose when to give advice or support.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 01:21 PM
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Are you (royal you) crying after a hard day of work, Funny concept. Men aren't allowed to do that. The only exception may be if there's some tragedy, but even then, men will be respected more if they're stoic and handle it themselves. I'm not saying that's healthy, but that's how men are socialised.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 01:20 PM
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Your case is a little different since you're poly. Poly is essentially a sexuality, like demisexual, gay, bi, ace, etc. Monogamous people have a very different view of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 12:54 PM
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You're poly though. Your comparability with people here is vanishingly low. In a rural or semi urban area, you'd have almost no compatible matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 12:49 PM
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The problem with that is women aren't always self-aware of what they want, men aren't always good at identifying the signs, and you can't ask women what they want because what they tell you and what they want are two different things. Most women are a confusing, contradictory mix of different preferences. So you'll get women who want equality for everyone, but expect men to pay for dates, and lose attraction for men when they cry. And even if you put all of that stuff aside, finding someone that…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 12:47 PM
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What exactly are they doing? Providing community and discussion about issues that affect men, in a way that at least attempts to prioritise truth over social conditioning. Because I didnt know what it was so started watching red pill/manosphere content and it feels like middle age average looking men telling other men and young boys that they aren't good enough but "Buy this protein powder/this will make your haur grow/GET TESTICLE INJECTIONS to make them smoother (that one was wild to me)" and …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 06:20 AM
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That's the point. Tell that to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 05:25 AM
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My husband explained that sad pathetic men think like that because no one wants them, and they prey on weak minded men or vulnerable young impressionable boys so they aren't miserable alone and have less competition. That those men are sad, and we should feel sad their parents failed them. I took a different approach. I wanted information. I pointed out his friends who talk like that aren't nice people, and maybe thats why they can't find girlfriends. Do you realise you're misrepresenting the re…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 05:22 AM
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Money isn't just about drawing people, but keeping them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 03:13 AM
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Redpill men talk about "chad" yet they deny the important puzzle piece. "Chad" is a young man in his physical prime because his appearance signals his reproductive peak. Looks have little to do with health. Looks are genetic. Genetics can affect health, but not as much as diet, lifestyle, and society.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:44 AM
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Redpillers often complain about nanny state coddling women. I don't care if women are coddled. I do care when it creates bad social outcomes. But the issue isn't coddling women. That's a wedge issue. The issue is much further upstream. But maybe young men should just have the kid and let themselves be coddled by the state too. I agree. Dismantle the state, implement communism. Or at least socialism. Nobody wants to have children when they're really old. They do it because society meant they coul…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:39 AM
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Yes, but there are also other factors . Women are complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:36 AM
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By being a respectful, mature and interesting person. Women aren't attracted to any of that. Then they get self improvement. In high school I practiced a lot to try to join the volleyball team, and still didn't get on it because I am 5'0. I still gained skills and bettered myself, which is a net positive. The "just improve yourself" strategy is also not attractive to women, and can actually make you less attractive. If you want to understand what is attractive to women, that many women will resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:30 AM
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What is an "undesirable man"? And how does one become "desirable"? And what if one is or becomes desirable, but still can't find a good relationship despite their best efforts?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 05:28 AM
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While I agree this post is problematic, what results do you think going outside will get them?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 11:34 AM
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And I think I’m right in saying that men whose lives revolve around impressing women do most, if not all, of those things I think a lot of mainstream people do that. Mainstream people are obsessed with what other people think of them. To the detriment of our society, because they focus on unimportant things instead of things that actually matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 04:34 AM
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What is an example of skin in the game?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 04:30 AM
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I actually think it should be lowered, but with other protections in place, such as what you describe. I still think everyone should be able to vote, but their votes shouldn't be counted the same as someone who is deeply informed and educated. The reason to lower the voting age is because essentially there are a lot of elderly people who are deciding the future for younger people who have significant cognitive decline and other issues. Young people need to be able to balance that out so that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 04:30 AM
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Perfectly said. I have previously written about how, despite what people say, people don't actually care about whether you're a good person, and will actively climb over you to advantage themselves when it is convenient for them, or malign you. I know from experience. 1️⃣ What's worse, is that people tell you that you should be a good person, but when you point out this is what happens as a result, they typically gaslight you and move the goalposts and say "you must have other issues" or "maybe …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 03:50 AM
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In a forum where people frequently engage in, or are accused of engaging in, misogyny or sexism, I think it's an important distinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 03:46 AM
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no matter how much more enlightened or different you are to people (I'm also speaking in general) you too have flaws, challenges and imperfections. Of course. I'd be a hypocrite to suggest otherwise. We are all fallible and ignorant about something and having the ability to share and learn from each other, no matter how small or major the lessons are is part of what makes life so magnificent. One of the reasons I prefer engaging with people online is because people tend to be more real and authe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:29 PM
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To be fair, most humans shouldn't be allowed to vote. Many people don't even know how to vote. Let alone vote well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:18 PM
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You could say the same about almost all of the red pill men in this sub. The men on here are always trying to morph into something that women will want I'm not. I really don't care what people want. It would be easier if I did. Those that dedicate their lives to it end up in jobs they don’t enjoy, obsessed with going to the gym and listening to influential podcasts, and always comparing themselves with other men to see just how much more like them they can get. That's a very stereotypical view o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:16 PM
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Red pill men typically prefer women not to be on social media, or use it more privately, not constantly advertising themselves to other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:13 PM
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I find most mainstream people uninteresting and difficult to relate to--both men and women. Why? People tend to: have a well-practiced social mask, which results in a low level of authenticity interact on very banal, superficial subject matter. If you try to interact with people in a more meaningful way, they often become uncomfortable or defensive be quite fearful and uncaring complain a lot and focus negatively be selfish and hedonistic and not focused on meaningful, important things be not ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:01 PM
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I take on rich exploiters directly. I do not take on fellow citizens. That is counterproductive and how the exploiters win.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 04:06 AM
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I think you raise important points that go beyond disgust and control and touch on why people may have that reaction. Issues such as selfishness, lack of empathy, and low levels of consciousness. I was shocked to see how uneducated some men were about female anatomy and biology. As always, the solution is to address these issues in both men and women so that we can create a society where we understand and respect each other, and do our best to make sure everyone can meet their needs and live ful…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:23 AM
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No, I'm trying to help you empathize with and understand what women experience. I don't need women to fight for me, because I'm not weak. I can fight for myself. Though I don't know why everything needs to be a battle. I reject wedge issues, including the men vs women culture war. The only war that's happening is the one being waged on the working class by rich exploiters people and their collaborators. Why do you think my flair is wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:11 AM
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Now imagining that happening frequently, even at times you don't want it to happen, from people that you are not interested in, including in situations where you don't feel safe and the people doing it are much stronger than you and may have psychological or behavioral issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:57 AM
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I don't think it's because they're disgusted by women's sexuality, but rather, that they like having control over it. Would you disagree? And if so, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:42 AM
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There is certainly a percentage of women who who are like this and have hypocritical, double standards, including sexism and misandry. However, that is not all women. And some women get to that point because of the experiences they have had with men, and their reaction is a trauma response. It's also important to acknowledge the impact what you talk about has on women--something I call the female tax. If you want a deep dive into this, here is a YouTube playlist that covers it Is not a male vers…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:40 AM
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Have you experienced unwanted advances and sexuality from women? It's not all that it's cracked up to be. Nobody wants people they aren't interested in, male or female, figuratively thrusting their genitalia in their faces.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:33 AM
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What compatibility is lacking where it’s hard to find a woman? Think of it like a Venn diagram. The more compatibility factors there are, the fewer people to meet them. Superficial compatibility factors are not relevant. I'm talking about deeper ones. Level of consciousness is the main one. Then there's location/population, sexual compatibility, etc. Not to mention the most important trait, which is them really liking you. You can find plenty of women who like you. But it doesn't make for a good…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 11:40 AM
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A good dating app? I don't know of any. I know how it would be designed though. Here's some examples: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tf9ZhU7zF8s&list=PLs3srGwbdDFTXX-_SANifEtIb-_LSVj4e&index=6&pp=iAQB0gcJCcEJAYcqIYzv https://youtube.com/watch?v=YbowwoeYCro&list=PLs3srGwbdDFTXX-_SANifEtIb-_LSVj4e&index=5&pp=iAQB Women don't have to care about big ideas. They should acknowledge the value for improving interpersonal relationships and conflict resolution. like I said, it comes down to levels of conscio…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 11:11 AM
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Sorry I couldn't answer your other questions. I'm not knowledgeable about the intricacies of Myers-Briggs. I find it too intellectual. I prefer StrengthFinder and Love Languages. Though I think all of this is very relevant to relationships and it needs to be studied more. And if dating apps were made for people instead of profit, they would factor it in. Though I actually think a good dating app would be more profitable than all of the others because people would actually use it. Though I find m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:52 AM
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Caloz: INTP (Fit: 79) ENTP (Fit: 72) ISFJ (Fit: 67) INFJ (Fit: 48) 16 Personalities: INTP-A Though I have some INFJ traits. I don't resonate with the T descriptions as much. Beyond Myers-Briggs, there's also: Standout StrengthsFinder
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:10 AM
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for Redpillers. the crux of your ideology is that if you weren't "Born into it" in the sense of having the looks, body, status, whatever; You'll never get a relationship. Incorrect. I am convinced that most people here who talk about the red pill don't actually know what it is. What I am questioning however is, it seems like most people who fit this view are far-right politically. Yes, though I'd like to see some objective research. How do you defend capitalism, the economic system where wealth …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:56 AM
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Someone who is awake, such that when you speak with them, there's a light in their eyes and sense of awareness, as if there's someone there. In comparison to most people, where it feels like you're interacting with a collection of social conditioning scripts and a human running on autopilot. It's unfortunately a rare quality. I envy people on here who talk about just being able to approach just about anyone and having comparability. They have no idea the amount of privilege they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:48 PM
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I concur. I'd also add more confident and self assured. I find mainstream people lack confidence and are constantly seeking validation, which is weak and unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:43 PM
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How is this a debate? If you're bitter, spiteful, angry at the world, vengeful and isolated genuinely ask yourself, what kind of person would be attracted to that? Someone like that, or who understands why they're like that. Would you want this hypothetical person? Yes. I'm tired of superficial happy people who don't give a shit about society and either pretend everything is fine or are too oblivious to realize it isn't. I'd rather someone real and awake. All those traits you describe are conseq…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:33 PM
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Rollo Tamassi would disagree. I also think you'll perpetuating a stereotype. During one of Rollo's streams he showed an image with like a bunch of hot girls and said that a lot of people think that this is the goal. Then he showed another image with a couple with children (i.e. a family) and he said "THIS is the goal."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:45 AM
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Apparently I'm an exception. The Matrix films, especially the fourth film, are among my favorite films. I understand the analogy and don't fall for the right-wing capture or framing of it. I reclaim it. I'm baffled that the credits of Matrix 1 and 2 screamed at the audience to "WAKE UP," and people are still asleep.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 04:27 PM
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Essentially, we need to stop exploiting each other and tolerating exploitation, organise, engage in direct action and improve our social infrastructure and services, as discussed by: Strong Towns Not Just Bikes To do that, we need to raise our level of consciousness individually, such that when enough of us do that, our societies will transform for the better. It's not difficult, and there are examples of successful solutions all around the world. We even know how to fix the internet. I.e. see t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 04:21 PM
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Was Neo happy after being unplugged? The red pill is not a happiness pill. It's a consequence of waking up from your social conditioning and facing reality. Our whole point is that society needs to change. Societies are made up of people. The only way society will change is if people change. But instead of acknowledging this and addressing things so that we can all have better results, there's there's constant wedge issue, culture wars, such as men versus women, red pill versus blue pill. Meanwh…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 11:04 AM
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Ironically I tend to steer clear a bit of gym guys as a gym girl Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 04:11 AM
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You think Bezos is red pilled? I'm not so sure. Also, despite his money, at that age your options get reduced somewhat. It's not like Bezos is a prize himself. His primary attribute is his money and status. Not all women are interested that. And a lot of women wouldn't want to deal with the publicity associated with him. And the fact that he is also Bezos, one of the world's richest men, which would not be attractive to many women because in order to get that much money you have to do pretty pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 03:06 PM
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Yes. Life happens. It's not that I actively think about those things frequently, it's more so that what's coming towards me triggers those thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 08:36 AM
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I mean getting results with women is not dependent on being better than her, any men can get a women by just being social and having friends. I would disagree with that. There are various complicating factors. But if you dont have the “chad” like charactheristics she will eventually leave with a men who possess those qualities. I agree with that. If we talk about the providing and protecting point, providing only comes with money Nope. There are other ways to provide. Are you familiar with HoeMa…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 01:07 PM
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Why do you have to frame it as arguing though? And why do you have to devalue online experiences compared to in-person experiences? In many cases, the experiences I have had online virtually have been better than the experiences I've had in person. For a variety of reasons. There are certainly areas where that is not true, but I think you are approaching this with a lot of bias. You were right though, in order to address this, we need to take real world action, which can include taking action ov…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 12:52 PM
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That's not necessarily true. Providing and protecting can look like many things. It's not just about how much you earn. That's part of the patriarchal gender stereotypes, and it actually limits men. There are plenty of women here who will attest to that. I know because I've seen what they've said. And also because I've seen men who get results with women but aren't necessarily some sort of high status gigachad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 12:49 PM
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To an extent. I understand that of course many women would like men to take all of the masculinity boxes. But I don't need to tell you that ticking some boxes will still put you in a better position. And for many men, it's about learning how they can do that, not so much so that they can get a seat at the table, but so that they can have any sort of chance with relationships and maintaining them over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 12:47 PM
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Yeah, but most men don't think that. Men and women can both have that problematic mentality. We can just avoid the people who do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 12:45 PM
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pay all the bills and more And the men who are not able to do that? Sure, it works. But it's not a realistic solution for society.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 12:43 PM
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But it's not so much a matter of becoming better at dealing with modern women. I also reject your characterisation of femininity and masculinity. Women having a job is not less feminine. The issue is many women have unreasonable and contradictory standards, such that is no way you can deal with them unless you meet those standards. Which for many men is unrealistic. The other issue is that men are not being told this and they are having to either learn from experience or from right-wing people w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 12:30 PM
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The problem is a lot of this reactive mentality is actually harming society. it just creates stigma and stereotypes that often aren't helpful. Not to say there aren't realistic considerations that should be considered. But there are all sorts of reasons why an age gap couple might work. And one of the things we do in our society is discuss taboos, including stigmas and stereotypes around them. It's a good thing. It's how we reduce the stigma around mental health, gay people, trans people, etc. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 11:29 AM
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That didn't format correctly, even though I understood it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 11:25 AM
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You didn't answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 01:30 AM
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Yes, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it will work out. Often what we think we want is different to what we actually want. And sometimes despite someone having the qualities you want, other things can get in the way of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 07:05 AM
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Ideal doesn't mean that they're your forever person. It just means they meet your criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 04:12 AM
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What makes you think bi women are manly? Bisexual women: https://www.youtube.com/@shoe0nhead https://www.youtube.com/@AnnaAkana
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 04:11 AM
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It depends on the type of men. One of the tenets of the red pill community is that many women are going after men who have those traits and then generalise that those traits apply to all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 03:32 AM
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Why do you think it will get better once that happens?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 03:22 AM
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You don't believe in weak men? I wasn't aware that they required belief. Even without hierarchy, men can still be weak. It's got nothing to do with privilege. It has to do with character traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 03:47 AM
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Some people can simply not hear regardless of how you change what you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 03:02 PM
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Feminism does benefit men in some ways, but yes, it is focused on women's issues. People tend to forget that the overall goal of feminism is equality. Yes, for women. But focusing only on equality for women is actually detrimental to women. Men generally have more privilege in our current society than women as a collective, but when you break it down into groups, that changes. Anyone turning this into a culture war is detrimental to progress.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 11:39 AM
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They didn't say misogyny, they said hedonism. Hedonism might foster misogyny. Hedonism is a major problem in our society for both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 07:38 AM
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There are some things that aren't necessarily a consequence of patriarchy. such as capitalism and how weak many men are today.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 07:37 AM
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Some people can simply not hear regardless of how you change what you say. Unfortunately your point contains the assumption that everyone is equally capable of listening. Listing is a skill that has an underlying set of traits. Not many people are good at it. And beyond that, reasoning ability and empathy is also not something people share equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 07:34 AM
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Well no, it's an acronym. An acronym that apparently refers to a movement but also male rights advocates.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 06:05 AM
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The wall is not really about age, but fertility. Younger women are also seen as having less baggage, even if that's not always the case. A lot of men are not looking for a partner that wants to give them a chance or opportunity to see how things work out. They're looking for a life partner and the mother of their children.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 06:03 AM
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Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds? You're suggesting that anyone who advocates for men's rights is right-wing? Would you say the same about feminism? No? I wonder why. Thanks though, this is a perfect example of the bias that we're talking about here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 03:07 AM
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How would you rate her in terms of attractiveness, and how would you rate yourself? And do you have that sort of thing happen to you often?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 03:29 PM
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Flirting has intent behind it. It's like having a fish on the line. You can reel it in or not, or notice it or not, but you still have something on the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 03:27 PM
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Compatibility is something that is not really understood well in the subreddit. People, especially women, constantly talk as if people have dozens of matches all the time. When in reality, some men have months or years between encountering compatible matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 03:23 PM
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Yes. There are social media videos of women who are confused when guys don't understand that they are flirting with them when they are making eye contact.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 03:21 PM
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Where are you encountering these 10 women a day? What setting? How do you even have time for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 03:19 PM
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What does one do if they don't drink or use drugs? It's a bit insane that that's some sort of exclusionary criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 03:19 PM
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I think a lot of women here have trouble understanding that many men are more likely to have negative experiences with women than they are to have positive experiences. I remember I was walking to catch public transport once. I walked past two women sitting on a bench. One of them said, "ew." There was no reason for them to do this, I was dressed decently and looked like a normal person, and it's not like they were models. And even if you have a positive experience, it doesn't mean that woman is…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 03:17 PM
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move to another city It seems to never occurs to people that there are people who don't live in cities. Which is something I'd expect from city people. There's a reason people who have lived outside of cities consider city people out of touch.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 03:09 PM
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Years pass between it happening. Women essentially never flirt with me at social events. It's rare to even encounter compatible women at social events. I know this may surprise you. Many people don't know how privileged they are. I don't understand the concept of friend groups, but I have a different definition of friends than most people. What most people call friends, I call acquaintances. I've spent most of my life helping people and trying to survive, not socialising. And even if I did socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 03:06 PM
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I like how you dismissed my logic and accurate references and just filled it in with your own opinion, refuting nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 01:54 PM
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Those are strategies. They are based on principles. Which are based on an experience, i.e., being "red pilled"--which is, ironically, based on a film made by two trans women. The red pill as it pertains to relationships is not a religion or an ideology. And one can be red pilled in other areas of life as well. I'm convinced many people here don't actually know what red pill means, and just assume it means right wing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 01:19 PM
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u/LastBlackSamurai99 Safety. Attraction/escape signals are the same: https://youtu.be/P557Q4HmJyg How to navigate unclear signals: https://youtu.be/xWOA1TBqAFU
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 10:28 AM
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The right wing ones, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 09:52 AM
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Nothing has changed. People are at different parts of the journey. Red pill rage is a thing. And red pill content doesn't define other parts of someone, like character, spirituality, or political views.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 09:50 AM
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The solution to men's problems lies within men themselves. It's about making peace with yourself, being the best version of yourself, and finding validation within yourself, not from others. This is just standard blue pill nonsense. It's like trying to tell people who can see the matrix, "just work on yourself." And yes, it's about therapy. Another grifter, just one with a social permission slip, is probably less qualified on these topics, and probably charges more. Again, this is "work on yours…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 09:47 AM
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People have mistaken strategies or techniques, and how different people apply them, for the principles behind them. Which in this case, is this: https://youtu.be/RB1Ed_kvZNM The opposite of that is... no relationship. Here, people would call it being a "nice guy," which both non-red pill men and women here have told me is unattractive. I feel like most people who talk about red pill concepts and techniques don't actually understand them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 03:02 PM
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Or you could change your stereotypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 11:23 AM
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If you have to manipulate your partner to get what you want, you are not compatible and it's an unhealthy dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 09:35 AM
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? When men say double standard it usually means that you have a standard. And they are offended. And they think that since they don’t care about something you shouldn’t either.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 09:33 AM
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No. What it means is that women hold men to standards that they don't expect to be held to themselves. For example, women wanting to be paid the same as men, but also expecting men to be providers and pay for dates. It essentially comes down to women wanting equality for them, but not men. That's a double standard. As I constantly say here, men don't get red pilled by people like Andrew Tate, they get red pilled by women and society. People do get enticed to the right-wing pipeline by people lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 08:13 AM
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Do they? I've never heard that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 06:55 AM
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The issue isn't with people who want equality, but people who want equality for women, but inequality for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 06:34 AM
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You don't need to theorise. Listen to women who date women, especially women who discover they're bisexual but have only previously dated men. E.g. https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y4E8qEDi_xg
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 04:44 PM
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You seem to be looking for a reason to demean someone. Your view of something is not necessarily what someone is experiencing. You mentioned you're married? I noticed lots of responses like this from people who are married.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 04:33 PM
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That's not actually true. People on dating apps frequently engage with people that they're not interested in and waste a lot of time, ghosting people, half-assing engagement, etc. One of the best ways to see this is to see how many women use apps where women are the ones who initiate contact West. Compare the initial messages they send to the ones men send. You don't need to use the apps. To do that, you can find videos online.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 04:11 PM
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How does that actually happen, when most dating apps require you to match with someone before you can message them, and women who are hot as you say, will not swipe on those men?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 04:10 PM
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Which men are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 04:08 PM
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From my experience and observation, women are terrible at filtering, primarily because they lack self-development. So they gain it through experience rather than through improving themselves, which is a bit like learning to play an instrument by attending only contests and plays. And during this process they make sweeping generalisations about men, without acknowledging the role they are playing because they lack self-awareness or the coping skills to be able to face the truth. It causes a signi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 04:07 PM
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It's not always about cowardice. And yes, deception is an issue. Though I routinely see people engage in it in relationships, so apparently it's not that big an issue. Which is why I point out the hypocrisy. People just get really worked up about cheating. Open relationships, whether done with consent or not, are also usually not about fucking. That's what I'm trying to convey: it's not about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 03:42 PM
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Not necessarily. Depends on the reason. , I'd consider it a massive red flag, but humans and relationships can be complicated. It essentially comes down to: do you have a model of relationships where people are disposable? Are you privileged enough to be compatible with a large percentage of the population such that you can just go find someone else easily? Or alternatively, where you don't need to be in a relationship and can get by just fine without one? I don't understand why people can engag…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 05:33 AM
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I've explained this previously: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/SXznAfB7Ra
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 08:13 AM
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Men open up to women? Men open up?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:54 PM
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On the contrary, I've always been who women come to for help dealing with their issues, not the other way around. Not just romantic partners--all manor of women I know. I deal with my own issues. It's not that I wouldn't like help, but other people are usually of little help, or disinterested.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:51 PM
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Self improvement. Nothing beats a foundation of self improvement and the high level of consciousness 1️⃣ that comes with it. It is the foundation for all other skills, such as emotional intelligence, emotional regulation and mastery, non-violent communication, active listening, conflict management, a satisfying sexual relationship, etc. One of the reasons we're struggling in society is because people lack that--its been described as a "maturity crisis"--so people are doing things like what you d…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 02:17 PM
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The types of men who were lured to Tate are men who think they have an inalienable right to women and power. This is not correct. The sort of mentality will cause the left to lose further ground to the right. It's also how Trump won twice. Not to mention other right-wing populists around the world. It's one of the reasons why Bernie Sanders is so popular. He doesn't do this, and he has a humanity and solidarity with the working class that many people on the left seem to lack. It's funny, I was a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 01:35 PM
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Have you seen RFK, the US presidential candidate? He has difficulties, but has managed to work around them. I'm not ignoring the financial and social privilege he has, but none the less, still managed to get pretty far doing something where having a vocal disability would typically be a disadvantage. Finding people in your situation and seeing how they manage it can be helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 11:04 AM
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He is still as popular as ever, because he gets out and does shit. He goes to metal and punk concerts, has taken up several para-sports and is competitive, he travels all around the world, he volunteers with kids, and he makes jokes about his paralysis. He also wheels around the grocery store way too fast. Basically, he is living his life and having experiences regardless of the fact that he now does it from a wheelchair. Regular people are out here doing it everyday. What DOES help is PERSONALI…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 10:54 AM
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Lesbians manage just fine. As do other people with erectile dysfunction.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 10:44 AM
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I know it's not ideal but that's life - I wish I was born the son of a Saudi oil price but here I am. Society can solve both that issue (you're talking about inequality) and the issue of people with disability having issues forming relationships, including romantic and sexual ones. Blue pillers are supposed to be more left wing than red pillers, but I constantly show I'm more left wing than the blue pill people I interact with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 10:44 AM
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Do you think that's an acceptable solution for society? Don't you see how that vindicates everything red pill people say?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 10:40 AM
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Blue pill people tend to be very privileged, hence why they haven't woken up from "the matrix" and can't understand people who have, and can be hostile to those who glitch their matrix, since it challenges their conception of society and themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 10:38 AM
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Aggrieved/misogynist framing is not an inherent trait of the red pill. That's a trait of right wing red pillers
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 10:36 AM
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He told me that he got cockblocked by a flight of stairs once - got drunk with a girl he met at a bar and she invited him home... only she forgot that there is no ramp up the stoop to her apartment. Just four cement steps leading up to the entrance. I guess she was really embarassed, but ultimately my buddy had to go home alone that night ;_; One of the reasons I'm constantly harping on about why accessibility is so important, and that most of our society doesn't care about or understand how lac…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 10:31 AM
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Most of what you said is also a stawman. The main thing you leave out is there is an entire model of society and women that goes along with RP mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 10:20 AM
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From my interactions with them here, they: say that plenty of people with disabilities have relationships and the same advice that applies to everyone else applies to them ("shower, work on your social skills, be interesting") for the people with severe disability, they often don't acknowledge them as people and adopt a "too bad, so sad, that's life" mentality, which is actually somewhat like Nazi "wasteful eaters" mentality sometimes suggest that people with disabilities don't need relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 10:18 AM
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Plenty of people got married after first being friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 08:11 AM
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That's difficult to do
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 08:10 AM
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It's possible he had platonic feelings for a long time, which is when he regarded you as like family, and that eventually grew into more.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 08:07 AM
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Being mad is fine so long as it's not directed at you. Ending the relationship is probably wise in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 08:00 AM
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I'm fine with being friends with a woman so long as they don't use me as a platonic boyfriend, there is a mutually beneficial exchange of energy, and they are honest and don't lead me on. Women should develop the traits needed for this instead of limiting who they can befriend. Likewise, if there's a woman I like, I would tell her and if she doesn't reciprocate, I'd likely play my part and end the relationship. As another commenter said: The problem is that sometimes, women treat their male frie…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 07:54 AM
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I don't know. My assumption would be women are more into that sort of thing and focused on passive seduction. And humans do these things because we have lost community, rituals, and traditions, so you end up with people filling that gap. Men do lots of unhealthy things as well. But in terms of the specific practise that you mentioned, this is not about men versus women. It's about healthy versus unhealthy people. There are men who do similar things as well. I'm not saying having a shrine or cast…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 06:09 AM
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Yes, there are lots of unhealthy people out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 03:42 AM
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The price isn't worth it, I don't use women, and I'm not a slave to my baser instincts. We all need to change to improve society. Those who give in to selfishness and hedonism are part of the problem--and not just within relationships, but other areas of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 03:19 AM
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No. Attractive women don't usually approach men. Women who have approached me have not been my type, and would not be considered conventionally attractive on a 1-10 scale. I suppose there have been exceptions, but I'm not sure I'd consider those "approaches." More so indications of interest, waiting for me to make the move. I wish women were interested in men were upfront about it. It makes things much easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 03:28 PM
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I want a partner who really likes me and doesn't see me as replaceable. Anyone else will probably leave sooner or later. Obsession is not healthy. The video is a massive red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 02:51 PM
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Both are generic and tell you nothing about a person. Someone who travels that much also has niche appeal and sounds risky. I.e. Why do they travel that much? How do they afford it? Why is that a priority? What will their expectations be? Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 02:48 PM
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That is not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 02:45 PM
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Experience. Women can say that but not actually want it or ready for it. It is what she thinks she wants. To determine what she wants, that would require seeing if her behaviour is congruent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 02:43 PM
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Women fill out their profiles on dating apps? Many don't, or don't know how, or put no effort in. Beyond that, those lines are superficial and generic and could describe almost anyone. If someone puts so little effort into their profile, it's a red flag. It indicates they trade on looks, or want to shift the compatability check to the text conversation, which will likely be one sided and perilous, like walking a minefield. That's laborious and a waste of time. I'd swipe left. The point of a prof…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 02:29 PM
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There's a difference between attraction, investment, neuroticism, and maturity. You want high attraction and maturity. Investment can vary. You want low neuroticism. If you disagree, live with someone who has high neuroticism. You will either leave or they will f*ck you up. More information: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Vh0hj9ZD9FY https://youtu.be/O-y2mj3bC_c https://youtube.com/watch?v=kse87ocS0Uo
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 08:00 AM
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In other words, you don't actually want to have to engage with arguments that counter yours, you just want to make them. My first two sentences were logical refutations of what you said. I don't know why you find that so problematic. If you don't want to debate, why are you even here? This isn't a place for spreading propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 04:16 PM
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. There is nothing superficial or hedonistic about wanting to have a life partner with interests and hobbies and who isn’t bored and miserable. You're assuming that the people I mentioned are bored and miserable. The opposite is probably true. There are plenty of people with interest and hobbies who aren't bored and miserable, but have hobbies and interests that you would not find interesting and would not look good in photos. You're actually giving a good example of the selfishness and hedonism…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 03:44 PM
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But...you just said "bingo" when I...don't get passed up? You're kind of giving mixed messages. I'm not. They are attracted to those other things, not your sweetness. There's a reason they're saying "nice guys finish last" is the thing. Here, this covers it in more detail: https://youtu.be/n4aMiAesXjE https://youtube.com/watch?v=Vh0hj9ZD9FY If my attitude changes, which it has, I attract fewer women. I've learned quickly that all else kept the same, when I act less nice I attract less attention …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 03:25 PM
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I'm a good baker, adventurous, and funny, so no you aren't wrong, so it does confuse me a bit Bingo. What did you mean by "I also find it hard to believe "sweet" guys are attractive to women"? Do you mean guys who are sweet but have nothing else going for them? Because if so, then duh of course that's not enough. Being sweet is bare minimum. Women aren't typically attracted to sweetness. They might like it and desire it, but it is not attractive. Attraction is caused by other things. There is no…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 02:12 PM
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The dm me, and I've never thought it was weird or creepy. 🤷 if they dm me and are rude, I meet them with the same energy. Simple as that. I see. You're more grounded and human than most women. I married a man who is kind and sweet, and it was my number 1 criteria when choosing the father to my children. I knew I was going to be working, so I wanted a partner who would want to help, not just be willing. I saw what a man was like with my own dad doing the bare minimum. I didn't just choose a husba…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 02:03 PM
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Then I suspect there are other traits, such as looks, wealth, status, or you have something they find interesting. Am I wrong? If they stick around, why are there multiple women being attracted and wanting to stick around?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 01:50 PM
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I think it's bizarre people are expected to have an "interesting life." It's superficial and hedonistic. If someone is a nurse/social worker/EMT/youth worker/journalist/civil rights lawyer/aid worker and works overtime helping people and has no energy or time to do "interesting" things due to capitalism not valuing their work, are they a less worthy relationship candidate? This is why I say people, including women, don't value good character. It's why millionaires are well regarded and respected…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 01:42 PM
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I like helping dudes out in here I've met some sweet purple and blue pill guys. even play video games with a couple now. I'm really curious, how does that end up happening? Do they DM you? You DM then? Most women would be freaking out over that situation, calling them creeps and such. I also find it hard to believe "sweet" guys are attractive to women. I know women like sweet guys, but they usually don't stick around with them. I just get annoyed when men ask for advice so we give them advice an…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 01:33 PM
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There's a real risk of a massacre like Kent state, and an escalation towards a kinetic civil war. And it hasn't even been half a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:49 AM
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Well, I don't think misogyny is an inherent trait of people who are red-pilled. And as I said, I don't think man's inability to socialise is the issue. It's a factor, but the same could be said for women as well, and those issues exist within a broader social context.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 05:49 PM
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Based on my experience here, I don't think many people here would give a consistent definition of what a red pill guy is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 05:31 PM
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I see. Refer to this part of my comment: We have deep, fundamental issues with our society that we need to address beyond, "work on yourself" and "do more." And we need to start with people having the social infrastructure to have community in the first place. Some people don't even have friends, and not for lack of desire or effort I think it's important to draw a distinction between the red pill and the manosphere. They are different things. One can be red pilled but not a member of the manosp…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 05:24 PM
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I stand corrected. I am not trying to personally attack you. I am speaking about your attitude and way of framing things. There is a difference. Case in point, you're limited view of sex work and pigeonholing it into the pejorative box of "prostitution." If a man with a disability pays a sex worker, does that make them a bad man? If a woman provides sexual services for other women, does that make them bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 05:16 PM
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I feel like red pill these days has become much like the word incel, woke, or social justice warrior--a rorcharch test to reflect ones politics and worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 05:10 PM
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The issue is that people don't read. Although that is true, the issue is that people don't understand what they read and lack the skills to process information. Which means they see a headline on the internet and "it must be true. It feels right and confirms my biases!"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:53 PM
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There was a thread in another subreddit where what was posted was easily misunderstood based on the title, but demystified if one clicked through and read what was linked to. yet there were multiple people in the comments agreeing with the truth of the title, despite it being wrong. Critical thinking isn't all that common on social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:50 PM
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No, it doesn't. There's a difference between pursuing and imposing. And many women report that they prefer men who do this. And many men will report that the amount of women who have approached them they can count on one hand. I'm not saying that's a good situation. But it is what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:43 PM
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Are they degrading them because they're women, specifically, or for other reasons? Misogyny is part of patriarchy, something conditioned into all of us. It is difficult to remove completely. Though those of us who seek to burn the patriarchy and other hierarchical structures do our best. Whatever transgressions we are met, I think you will find our consistent actions speak louder, and there is no comparison between us and the men mentioned in the article. Being able to attract women is one thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:28 PM
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Ok, tiny sample size, but what about blue/purple pill women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:13 PM
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I don't even know how to respond to that. I can't penetrate your judgements and stereotypes. Consider asking a more neutral question.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:12 PM
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I don't understand what that is responding to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:39 PM
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Sure. Then why the surprise with your first statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:36 PM
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Most young people can't answer a phone properly, and you expect them to host parties? We have deep, fundamental issues with our society that we need to address beyond, "work on yourself" and "do more." And we need to start with people having the social infrastructure to have community in the first place. Some people don't even have friends, and not for lack of desire or effort
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:24 PM
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What are people doing with their friends then? Some people would answer this with, "Friends?" What a bubble you exist in.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:22 PM
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worldliness is also viewed with suspicion because a woman who has seen a lot can no longer be impressed by anything her husband could show her. They seem to be related. It's more that she'll leave you or may have expectations developed from toxic relationships, aka, "stuck on their highest setting." Some women can women through it. Many will just leave or cheat on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:16 PM
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A fallacy. Men don't become red pilled because they can't get women, they become red pilled because of their experiences with women. And indirectly, society, which sets them up to fail with women. Hence why they take the red pill. I feel like many people here don't even understand what red pill means. They just assume it means right wing misogynist or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:12 PM
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So then who wants the red pill men since neither blue nor red pill women want them? Why do you think they don't want red pill men? People aren't usually thinking about this stuff when it comes to relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:10 PM
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Men from TRP are either maximizing sexual strategy to spin plates, in which case there’s no reason to EVER partner with that man, or they are sex shamers. In which case, you run the risk of becoming disgusted and turned off by him, which will end a relationship very quickly. A stereotype. I'm neither. I find I'm actually more sexually progressive than many blue pillars here. I listen to them and feel the shame oozing from their comments. But also their lack of virtuosity. Not everyone fits into …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:07 PM
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Depends on the sex. Generally I'm not an advocate of superficial, transactional, casual sex with people you barely know. It's also not just about sex. If a human has many relationships, that's a red flag to me. What's going on with them that they had, needed, or wanted lots of relationships? It has never been my strategy to have sex with lots of women, especially women I don't know well. I find that gross and unappealing. Also immature. This doesn't require shaming, however. It's not about shame…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:03 PM
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I don't see it coming up much in my life. How would you know? That's rhetorical. the visual thing just seems lazy to me. People wank without fodder all the time, it's not a necessity. People just get lazy and want the easiest route. You realise that when people imagine things, their experience is different, right? For example, some people hear words when they read. Some people hear nothing. There are men that don't have wet dreams. If one lacks experience with naked women, how does one even imag…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 12:54 PM
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It's curious how you mention the issues with porn, conveniently not mentioning things like porn made by couples, but white wash casual sex, which can be similarly problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 12:46 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:38 AM
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lol you think the last paragraph makes it BETTER? fascinating Objectively, yes. Though note the key words, "if not." Men who fuck dont pay for parasocial relationships, why am I dating a man who dies and not a man who fucks and dates The real question is, why do you value men who engage in casual, transactional sex more than men who don't? what do you mean "answers all over the subreddit"? You asked a question. The subreddit answers it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:38 AM
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I separate it from other work because it is one of the most exploitative jobs. Hardly. It can be. But it can also be well paid and have excellent working conditions. There are many worse jobs. Stop trying to encourage women to date men who see sex workers. I can't control your perception and who you impose them on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:33 AM
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You're saying it's about how you feel, not logic. Which is part of the problem. Thanks for being honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:28 AM
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There used to be an audio orgasm library, which was good. But it closed down. Men aren't going to read erotica. It would at least, have to be visual. Which is essentially just porn, just artistic rather than live action. personally someone having had casual sex before wouldn't bother me. When would it bother you? Some people have had over 100 sex partners. Sometimes many more than that (hundreds).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:28 AM
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Sure, but it's better to watch porn than become Joker. And there can be wholesome, ethical porn that people watch even while in healthy, committed relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:24 AM
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So consent is the only standard? Dear god.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:22 AM
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I'd rather be alone with my integrity than with women like that. They're not really worth the price you pay. Your context is so small minded that you're participating in the weakening of men. We need more strong men, not less. Strong men can do something about the state of society, instead of merely existing within it. I am disgusted by how weak men have become. We should be stopping the atrocities of the world, not watching them. They can only stop so many of us before we stop them. You're eith…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:11 AM
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But I will say, porn and OnlyFans aren't the only options for a single guy. So would you prefer that they engage in casual sex? I find it strange that that's considered better or more normal than watching or paying for porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:00 AM
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You assume that they can get it for free. I expect your next response would be, well. If they can't get it for free, there must be something wrong with them. Which is kind of the point of the subreddit. Would you rather men consume porn without paying anything for it? Do you think that is a more or less sustainable solution? Because it sounds to me like you're just anti-porn. Or your pro-porn but also somehow pro-exploitative porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:58 AM
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Excellent response. It's one of the few responses in this thread that has approached the topic logically without a heaping of subjective bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:56 AM
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How do you reconcile that though? Do you support women paying for it? If not, how can you say you were supportive of them doing it not having anyone to pay them for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:55 AM
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So it's better to consume porn for free, and not compensate the people involved? Or are you just anti-porn?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:53 AM
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Would you say the same about other work?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:51 AM
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According to the thread they are. There are women who say they support women doing this, but think guys consuming it are gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:51 AM
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You can find answers to that all across the subreddit. Would you also have that opinion of a man watching porn? What about a woman watching porn? And if not, how would you reconcile it with the fact that at least with Only Fans, there is actually an exchange of money and it tends to be a better working environment?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:47 AM
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I’m disagreeing with the premise altogether that women are settling for men they’re not really attracted to. It's just how you choose to frame it. Same phenomena, different framing. Many women still find toxic and high status guys attractive, but realise they're unobtainable, or have undesirable consequences, traits, or expectations. So they: _________ The word doesn't matter. The phenomena is the same. and yes 9/10 that falls on the man letting himself go or neglecting the emotional aspect of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 06:45 AM
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This is an extrapolation rather than the actual cause Dismissal and not addressing the argument. Marriages like that tend to become that way when one partner loses interest after their man either lets himself go or stops contributing emotionally or romantically to maintain it. You were doing fine, then you said " their man," which puts the blame on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 04:55 AM
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the majority of men don't make enough money to realistically worry about being used for money they don't have in the first place. Yes, so they settle. I've seen women try and get men not like that. But men not like that either have too high standards, or only use them, so they "settle" for someone with lower status / looks / resources in order to avoid that. If they could have both, they would choose that instead. You often see this manifest in marriages where women don't respect the men they're…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 01:50 AM
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Oh joy, a question described as an opportunity to be evangelized to. I'll pass. Why are you even here if you're going to engage like this? By the way, I'm probably more left-wing than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 01:56 PM
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No. This isn't about people vs not people. It's more about society and the narratives we are taught, and the failure of social infrastructure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 01:50 PM
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I wouldn't. That's because I have a value system and other guiding principles based on spiritual, philosophical, and social values. I already reject hedonism, selfishness, exploitation, and other aspects of low consciousness living. If your argument is that would change if I was a woman, that's an indictment on current era women, and society is failing them, and they are failing themselves and society. My issue with our current society is that it's difficult for people to find, establish, and ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 06:10 AM
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Yeah, I figured. The keyword from everything you said being "major city." If you're living in a major city and you're a cisgender, heterosexual, you literally have society designed around you. You. Everything is made for you. Of course you can do ok in those circumstances. Though not everyone has those circumstances. Things have changed a lot more than you make out. For example, you suggest that people should just meet women in person. You have to be an exceedingly mainstream person to be able t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 01:37 AM
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I didn't ask what age. I asked when. I'm trying to determine how far gone society was when this was happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 03:19 PM
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When were you dating, and when did you marry?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 10:58 AM
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Sane, human people with a reasonable level of consciousness, which includes self-awareness and integrity. Exceedingly rare these days. It's really not complicated. People like this should be the norm. But society has fallen off a cliff and is collapsing. Collapse just doesn't look like fire and brimstone. It looks like the republic in Star Wars before The Empire.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 10:56 AM
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It absolutely is contempt, utter contempt. But there’s also the element of them needing to be brought to their knees because they are quite literally the vanguard of systemic oppression of us all, men, women, the working class as a whole etc. Why do you assume everyone who is red pills is right-wing? As I often say to people here, I am probably as or more progressive than you are. I’m actually heavily engaged in politics in my own country. I’m here to study them & poke them & fight them in a con…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 05:36 PM
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Men have legitimate issues. The world has changed Yeah, they do. And it has. That's what the red pill is about. Acknowledging it. we have failed to adapt. We stick to old scripts that might have suited our ancestors, but fail us. We repress our capacity for love and kindness. We refuse to admit to the depth of our loss and longing. We harm ourselves and those around us at alarming rates. Speak for yourself. I have mostly done good in my life, focused on bettering myself and others, and society h…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 05:31 PM
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They're being hyperbolic in a cringe way. Also, conservative, religious men tend to be attracted to the red pill. Still, they're not wrong. Have you seen how some people interact with each other here? It's not exactly civilised. It is rarely good argumentation . A lot of people aren't actually here to debate, learn, consider other perspectives. A lot of it equates to schoolyard bullying or proselytising. And outside of this forum, the way many humans handle conflict can be described as nothing l…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 05:24 PM
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Because that's literally the point of the sub. To argue. Duh. This is such a strange thing people use against progressives, blue-pillers, or whatever. "You guys believe strongly that you are correct (just like everyone else), you can be snide (just like everyone else)." Like what do you genuinely expect from us? There's a difference between arguing and debating. The difference is good faith. Something that you were displaying little of. This is such a strange thing people use against progressive…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 05:18 PM
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For some people it's a reality not a "narrative." I find comments like yours amusing. They have the same mentality of the older generation who ask the younger generation, "have you tried not being sad?" Or say that "they just don't want to work." Or right wingers who tell poor people that they just need to pull themselves up by their boot straps. The common trait between all of those examples is people ignoring social reality. Usually people in positions of privilege who have plenty to drink whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 03:09 AM
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Consider the context. And I didn't say "getting laid."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 03:45 PM
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I don't think those requirements are very demanding. I'm not saying it will be easy, but I think it's very possible. Though I understand being tired or not hopeful about the "how".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 12:09 PM
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I'm not joining the poly community because they're crazy in their own ways How so? And why do you need to join it? It's not a cult.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 12:07 PM
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Why do you go on first dates that are a waste of time? Why not only go on a date if you know it likely won't be a waste of time?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 12:05 PM
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nothing worth shaving my legs for Getting “put together”, going out, playing the “getting to know you” game gets old fast when there’s a perfectly good couch at home and I could be reading or weeding the garden or walking the dog (all of which can be done in comfortable shoes without smiling till it hurts). Sounds like you don't want a relationship right now, but when you do, consider not doing that stuff so you can find someone who doesn't expect you to. Unless you want someone who likes playin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 12:04 PM
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I think not requiring one's partner to be perfect is actually very healthy, so long as it's applied to both partners. I empathise with your difficulty finding such people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 11:57 AM
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"Doing something" is no guarantee that one will find a relationship, let alone a good, long term one. You're married. It's like someone who lives next to a waterfall telling someone in a desert dying of thirst, "try harder"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 11:19 AM
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Most people live unconsciously and are driven by impulses, urges, feelings, emotions, instincts, and evolution that they're not consciously aware of. What women want unconsciously is different to what they consciously think they want. They're not lying; they're clueless. This is why red pill men tell men: don't listen to what she says, watch what she does when someone shows you who they are, believe them They know this because they have done the opposite, seen it not work and experienced the fol…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 01:13 PM
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Both countries have been subverted by the same person: Rupert Murdoch.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 01:48 PM
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No punishment. Punishment isn't justice. Being drug affected is definitely a factor. Going by your definition of evil, I guarantee you harm innocents directly and indirectly in the course of living your life. Are you being punished for that? And if you think she should get the death penalty, what should you get for you evil? You're going to proceed to argue you don't harm innocents.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 07:47 AM
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Again, if evil can be measured objectively, what is the definition of evil? And who gets to define it? And you say you've never done anything comparable, but you're comparing the act of a woman who is under the influence of at least two drugs, to the acts of German Nazis. Are you saying you don't register on that scale? You're not aware that you've compressed the tiers, so if on most people scale Nazi war crimes against humanity is an S tier evil, But you're saying that someone who is on drugs s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 07:21 AM
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What do you define as evil? And who gets to define it within society? Are you suggesting that you've committed no evils? Contributed to no evils? I somehow doubt that. Should you also be punished?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 06:24 AM
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The goal is justice. But I'm talking to someone who says: I don’t believe in rehabilitation. I believe in punishment. Your profile picture is also telling. It's like a citizen of 24th century Star Trek trying to convince a mediaeval citizen. You're operating from a different paradigm and level of consciousness. You also ignored my argument. So what you're essentially saying is that anybody who does any serious crime should be treated the same as Nazis from World War II. Some would say that that …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 05:05 AM
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You're comparing a woman who was on drugs and immediately expressed remorse after she did something stupid while her inhibitions were inhibited, when she realised the severity of what she did, to the German Nazis?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 04:52 AM
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Thankfully, Australia has a more civilised, less barbaric society that did away with things like the death penalty and public shootings.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 04:51 AM
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Because the government are a bunch of clowns, elected by a stupid populace.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 04:43 AM
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Good list, but no sex work leaves people with disabilities very screwed. Just not literally. Sex work can be ethical and sustainable just like the other things you mentioned. Some people like it. Porn is essentially another form of it. Of course, I'd like a society where nobody needs sex work. But that's not happening soon, and it may not even be ideal. Imagine a society where sex work was ethical and good-feeling, like going to a nice restaurant.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 01:01 PM
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Well, the reason the class war is untouchable politically is because of the race and gender war. They're wedge issues that are deliberately peddled so we're at each other, instead of them. Because if we weren't at each other, we would be in the streets tomorrow, calling for them and reclaiming their assets. They really don't want that. People didn't start being upset about trans people, a tiny percentage of the population, because they were became aware of facts and real life events. They starte…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 12:37 PM
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Yes, men and women have different biological impulses that lead to different priorities. It's not a bad thing. It is a bad thing when it isn't managed consciously, because we no longer live in the type of society that those impulses evolved from.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 11:10 AM
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Capitalism creates people like that by incentivizing that behaviour and creating systems and communities where it is normalised.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 11:05 AM
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Red pill men are not a monolith. Just like men and women not a monolith. There's a difference between having standards so low that you end up in abusive relationships with toxic people, and having unrealistic standards that contribute to the decline of society. Neither extreme is helpful for the person or society. There is a very large middle ground in there. That is where people should be focusing. You could call it the "sane" region. It really isn't any more complicated than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 10:58 AM
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I am much farther left than Bernie, and most people here. He's practically right wing compared to me. It is a stereotype that everyone associated with the red pill is right-wing. Where do they think the term red pill comes from? The Matrix, which is left-wing, anti-capitalist, anarchist propaganda. I reclaim it. I'm actually writing a comment in response to another thread, which is essentially a more detailed version of my previous comment, but with explanations and sources. We do need to be car…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:39 PM
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You think men don't like curvy, mature women? "Beautiful" is an almost useless descriptor, because there are many beautiful women, including those who aren't necessarily 8+ in terms of looks. I frequently encounter women who are conventionally physically attractive. And then they open their mouth and I find them repulsive and wouldn't want to go near them. Meaning, there are men who exist who value something other than appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 01:56 PM
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Depends on who wields it. I've interacted with many feminists, and some are just bad people. That's true of any group. That's not an issue with feminism, but humanity and our current society. The solution is Bernie Sanders campaign slogan: "Not me. Us." I've thought about this a lot. We need more of this: https://youtu.be/ijtYJrVBG_M That's the solution to our wedge issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 01:25 PM
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Even though I don’t at all think that’s the intent. That’s how it’ll come off - Sometimes it is the intent. And women are definitely aware, to varying degrees, or the consolidation of social and political power and privilege. You see it all the time. One of the contentions men here have is that it is often misused. The idea was equality, but in some respects, we're just getting more hierarchy and displacement, guaranteeing this culture war will never end. I'm pro-peace and equality, and anti-hie…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 12:55 PM
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Sure. Have you watched the film, Her (2013)? Or Bicentennial Man, Time of Eve, The Matrix, or Star Trek The Next Generation? People need to get over their species-ism and intelligence-ism. Humans are still, to quote Q from Star Trek, "a dangerous, savage, child race." That doesn't mean I think an AI girlfriend is healthy, but it could be. Especially considering the alternative for some people. I generally prefer interacting with non-human animals over most humans. Previous generations had the sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 12:49 PM
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Women, too. They're just considered lower class by people with degrees. Why? Capitalism. It creates hierarchy so some people can climb over others to the top. Like Griffith in Berserk.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 12:40 PM
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I agree. There's some great YouTube videos by Noralities, someone with a degree in illustration from a fine arts school, that went viral and caused lots of controversy. They have 8 million video views. One of my favourite videos by them: https://youtu.be/vZ8oXOL1Tfk Watch it and judge judge for yourself weather arts degrees are "joke." Now if their point was, "what capitalism rewards," that's a different story. Capitalism rewards exploiters and exploitation. It's not something society should con…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 12:37 PM
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I agree. There's some great YouTube videos that went viral and caused lots of controversy by Noralities, someone with a degree in illustration from a fine arts school. They have 8 million video views. One of my favourite videos by them: https://youtu.be/vZ8oXOL1Tfk Watch it and judge how "useless" arts degrees are. Now if their point was, "what capitalism rewards," that's a different story. Capitalism rewards exploiters and exploitation. It's not something society should condone or perpetuate. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 12:37 PM
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I agree to an extent, though I think there are hardwired roles that are less easy to do something about, a consequence of evolution. I think that's what the red pill community understands, that the bluepills does not. And beyond that, there are social and cultural roles that go beyond capitalism and patriarchy, that I don't think humans will so easily let go of. I don't know the solution, but as a society, I don't think what we're doing is it. I don't blame people doing whatever they can within …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 06:35 PM
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. he does not normally cry, it’s rare This is key. Would you agree that if he did it more, and other things you consider less masculine, you'd "get the ick"?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 02:01 PM
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you know why this is an issue? The patriarchy How so? I'm well aware of what patriarchy is, and read your response, I just don't see gender roles disappearing even if patriarchy disappears. In some cases, things have become worse for women and men as they have gained more freedoms. Freedoms don't translate to development as a person, they make them possible. But many factors get in the way of it happening, important among them being, capitalism. Marcus Buckingham even wrote a book about it, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 01:58 PM
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The issue is, finding women who are not like that is a challenge. It's been my experience that most people, regardless of their sex or gender, lack the development to not do that. Most people are not emotionally intelligent and trauma informed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 01:53 PM
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the vast majority of women? Probably all women, but some manage it better, some are less socially conditioned, some have men who are masculine enough and have enough "strong men" credit to burn without it being a problem, etc. For the most part, this will mostly show up in the context of romantic relationships. That investment changes the dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 01:51 PM
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I don't really talk about my personal experiences, but here are some good examples: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8QzGNmpwY9c https://youtu.be/4V62Va4KxXU https://youtube.com/watch?v=wSq9gi6f8ac Those are very immature (low consciousness) women, but congratulations, most humans are, and even those who are not still have feelings like this, they just manage them better (consciously).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 01:40 PM
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Not necessarily. It's more complicated. It depends on: what you're crying or emotional about what else you bring to the relationship how sword pilled you are how mature they are If you get the ratio wrong, then yes, you're in trouble. If it's right, it could even endear them to you. Here are some responses from women in this thread proving me right: my partner has cried in front of me, and it actually makes me love him more because he can show that vulnerable side of himself. he does not normall…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 01:29 PM
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100% of the people who have replied to me and been critical of that channel and its content have not actually engaged with the content and given meaningful criticism of it. Which I could do because I actually have. I think you would be amazed at the types of things women consider to be "icks" and some of the BS people dealing with them in a romantic context have to deal with. It's something that wouldn't come up in platonic relationships. Here's a woman giving an example: https://youtu.be/Y4E8qE…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 03:07 AM
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No, it's capitalism. Capitalism has warped people's minds and destroyed our communities. People don't know how to build community anymore because they are only trained to build wealth... For themselves, for other people. But society is setup so that most people will never build wealth, or have to sacrifice too much trying to. And we give power and money to people who don't care about building community, only wealth, and so we have no communities anymore. What men should do something about is tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 04:17 AM
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I shouldn't need to explain to an adult that negatively discriminating against people who are already suffering is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 04:09 AM
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It seems that way because you can't tell the difference between that and actually having values. You wrongly think that not discriminating against someone means that you have to give them stuff. But in reality it means not being a jackass towards people. Like people who have disabilities and are suffering enough already.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 04:08 AM
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Women really need to stop thinking that men are asking for pity sex. They are not. Stop it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 04:06 AM
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There will still be debate, but it will be much less adversarial and more about debating solutions and implementation. A lot of people seem to use this subreddit as a place not to understand and humanize other people, but to war against them and polarise furher. It's quite sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 07:01 PM
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I've encountered some people here who have a very transactional approach to relationships, where they treat relationships as a sort of exchange. Less like a partnership and more like an act you have to maintain in order to get something in return. They tend to be the "self-maxx" group, that tell you that if you're not getting good results that you are the problem and you need to improve in order to increase your bartering potential. I asked them what would you do if your partner suffers from an …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 06:58 PM
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Bingo. It's a good sign of how socially conditioned people are and whether they think for themselves or are still a battery for the system. So often when I'm interacting with people it's like I'm interacting with a blue pill from The Matrix. They're so confident in their understanding of things. They can't even see the prison they're in. It makes it a bit difficult to communicate. There's so much they don't know, but they're so sure they're right. If people knew the society we could have, they'd…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:16 PM
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You're making assumptions. Select better? For some men there isn't much of a selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:12 PM
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Men, look for women like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:45 PM
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I care about a woman being my type, which doesn't necessarily correlate with attractiveness on a 1-10 scale. Beyond that, I care much more about other traits. Someone can be a 10 in looks and when they open their mouth, I find them repulsive and wouldn't want to go near them. People here need to stop generalising and stereotyping.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:41 PM
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Which makes it bad for both of them. The lack of empathy from people here is always surprising. Humanity has gone mad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:33 PM
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Yeah, it's basically disability discrimination, but the cowardly version that doesn't say it directly. Many people in society are like this. Their social facade is just selfish, transactional virtue signalling. It's not a woman thing, it's a current era human thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:30 PM
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I'm well liked by women, and frankly, many of them are bad bets. The mentality you are using sounds like that of a Nazi eugenicist. It's not far from calling people "wasteful eaters."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:25 PM
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Yes, but people are free to not adhere to them in that instance, like they're free to not be racist, or perpetuate mental health stigma. Patriarchy didn't make them do it. It certainly conditioned them, but if they're around age 30, they're old enough to control themselves and not act like patriarchy zombies. Burn the patriarchy. One can start with the parts in oneself. As within, so without.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:22 PM
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They shit on feminism, yet also shit on the things feminism is fighting. I don't, and I'm a man. I'm definitely a traitor to the patriarchy and do what I can to help burn it down, alongside other hierarchy. However, women who have inherited the benefits of feminism should be aware enough not to perpetuate this sort of stuff. Quite often, I see women perpetuating the things that oppressed them. I've even seen women who know better do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:18 PM
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Women have different social pressures. The issue lies with society primarily, but you're also dealing with low consciousness women: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kse87ocS0Uo https://stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/04/levels-of-consciousness/ That reaction is partly socialized, partly unconscious instinct. Society has stupid beliefs about cars. In properly designed societies, people don't need to own them. So these women aren't just low consciousness, they have low social literacy. Use the ick indicator…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:13 PM
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Actually, solving issues affecting men would also solve many issues women experience. So it's actually mutually beneficial. Also, women have children, some of those children will be males, and they will be growing up in this society. That's why Emily King makes the content she does--for her son: https://www.youtube.com/@emilywking Can people please stop with the pity sex thing? Nobody is asking you to have pity sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 03:02 PM
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The red pill community addresses that argument, and questions whether doing that inner work actually improves ones results, and whether the men women are choosing actually have done that work. Also, there are social factors that complicate your interpretation, such as women earning more, but still expecting and wanting me to be providers who pay for dates. As covered in: "Be yourself" What Happened to Marriage? Stuck
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:45 AM
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Women care about homeless men and men's suicide Do they? Their actions don't reflect it. We could end homelessness easily, but we don't. And many people who identify as women here indicate they have little understanding of what contributes to suicide, and seem to commonly advocate for a "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" approach, or worse, personally attack people who are disadvantaged. Don't listen to what people say, watch what they do. And their actions indicate they don't care. I'd say t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:32 AM
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In what context or situations are you were encountering women who cry?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:25 AM
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But here’s the thing, no one here wants this answer. They HATE it because it’s long and it’s work and it requires a communal view and it won’t immediately drop a dime on their dicks. I want those things. I want even more than those things. Most of what you listed is about people improving themselves. I would suggest that improvements to society are what is more important. People can only improve themselves so much before they hit the hard wall of the limitations of the society they are in. And m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:36 AM
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A collective group of random men we dont know are not the main characters in our stories. This is like saying: How come men dont realize how different it feels to use a tampon vs a menstrual cup? Why would you realize that? why would that enter your mind for even one second? It wouldn't have until I asked that and it would be weird af for me to expect otherwise. Counterpoint: this is why you should care: https://www.youtube.com/@ROEvBROS Another reason: the rugged individualism that many people …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:29 AM
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Is that what is happening here--complaining about access to a woman's body? Why do people frame this in such a weird way? There seems to be this prevalent attitude that many women here have that. If we are to address these issues, it will involve them like volunteering their body for sex. It's bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:24 AM
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Do you realise how difficult it is to live life without a committed relationship partner? I don't think many people here do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:04 AM
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Finally a reasonable comment. It's like an empathy desert in this thread. People who have substandard interpretation and reading comprehension skills passing high levels of judgement on people they don't understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:03 AM
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That post does not address my question It does. If not, you need to clarify your question. You make claims and express strong opinions against people having sex That's not what I was doing. Is your anti-sex bias because you don’t have sex? Your question is based on your flawed interpretation.. I do not have an anti-sex bias. The spiritual part is what makes sex good. The connection. Do you think people having casual sex are focusing on spiritual connection during sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 04:43 AM
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Your response and attitude expressed within it indicates why I don't try to convince you. Too much work for low or no payoff. I'm serious and can use my time better.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 04:38 AM
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This thread reminds me of this video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=16KfmFKKsrI Aka, step 1: be attractive. Step 2: be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 08:05 PM
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No, I am replying to your comment. You replied to me. What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:52 PM
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If you look into the stats of how how recently women had sex and how long it was between sexual encounters, it's quite interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:08 PM
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You haven’t answered the question. It’s a yes or no question no. I already told you it is a strawman. So answering yes or no to a strawman is pointless. I’m guessing no, taking away all risk still wouldn’t be enough for you because it’s “short term satisfaction.” You haven’t explained why that is bad though. I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:54 PM
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I honestly don't know how to respond to comments like this. I'm sorry, but it doesn't meet the threshold required for reasonable debate. I'm thinking about the future of society and the species, and the social and life implications for large groups of people. I take this seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 03:46 PM
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I already addressed that question. You seem to fundamentally misunderstand my points. I'm not trying to insult you, but I think you have reading comprehension issues which makes debating with you kind of pointless. Curiously, I encounter that a lot here. It's troubling.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 03:43 PM
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They are sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 03:39 PM
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Society is mostly extroverted, game playing types who love social conformity, so u can understand why they'd say that. People tend to demonize things or people they don't understand or are different to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 01:24 PM
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Fair enough, but I guess I don’t see two people agreeing to sex as being any more transactional than two people agreeing to basketball. We’re both getting the sex we want or we’re both getting the basketball we want. I feel like that's part of the problem and that point was thoroughly addressed in the videos I linked to. In my view, exchanges are more transactional when the two parties don’t want the same thing but one of the parties is willing to provide the the other what they want for some ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 01:18 PM
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So short term satisfaction is wrong (no reason given). So drinking a glass of wine or eating chocolate is bad for society? Right? That's a strawman. Also disease. So “monogamous” couples should use condoms because the STI transmission rate in marriage I not at all low. I’m a nurse and I see it all the time. If disease is your real concern you’ll agree with me here. Don’t prioritize short term satisfaction. Is this a real argument? If someone is getting STIs during marriage, they have other issue…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 01:11 PM
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I already addressed that in my reply . You seem to have a pretty superficial relationship with sex. Which explains why you would regard casual, transactional sex without issue. Do you consider there to be a spiritual component to sex? Psychological or pair bonding consequences?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 01:01 PM
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Missing the forest for the trees. Is everyone here to confirm their own bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:57 PM
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What about it is pseudo scientific? Did they claim to be scientific? There are lots of things that have value beyond science. Journalism for example. And other humanities. And no, I use algorithms to my benefit, and have been for years. I'm more skilled than most people when it comes to technology. Or at least more disciplined. Perhaps both. Fairer brains Regardless of the intention, fairness is the result. Did you look at the methodology of the studies they referenced?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:47 PM
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What's the context for the bargaining chip quote? Link? I already covered your point about pregnancy and HIV. I feel like you're missing my point. Did I say society is falling apart primarily or only due to casual sex? Are you aware that you seem to be confirming your existing bias rather than interrogating it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:46 PM
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I'd suggest using someone is more about the transactional nature of the exchange.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:46 PM
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They used you for sex. From what you have said, you used them for sex. So you used each other. The idea is that in doing so, you were passing up something that could have been more satisfying, and that purely focusing on satisfaction is not a good long-term strategy for yourself or society. You can see an example of this in one of the comments you made, where you questioned whether someone was a " good lay." A statement like that comes usually from a mentality that doesn't really consider the co…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 07:37 AM
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That may be true if you frame it as if amazing sex is the only thing you're getting from it. They are making the arguement that this is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:41 AM
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Exactly my point. Other people are not. This selfish hedonism is going to destroy society. It already beginning to. Why are you even here if you're not willing to consider perspectives different to your own?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:36 AM
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Why do you think that's the only possible solution? I didn't even suggest a solution. Like I said, you don't seem to care. You should fix that. It's not a useful trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 02:51 AM
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A curious thing I notice about blue pills here is that they seem fine with society working for them, but don't seem to care much if it isn't for other people. I guess the "happily married" part is also a giveaway. It indicates people who are steeped in social conditioning and quite literally bluepills, plugged into The Matrix. I don't have respect for indifference to suffering. It doesn't make for a sustainable society.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 01:16 AM
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So you chose to answer none of my questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:57 AM
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Doesn't that seem like a problem to you? I.e. what about everyone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:43 AM
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How? What locations or avenues? And how would you rate your looks, 1 to 10?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 08:38 AM
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Which is basically a longer way of saying "give up on relationships." It sounds like this advice. for the record, I didn't attribute that to feminism. Many women have inherited the benefits of feminism but are not actually carrying the torch and don't care about, nor are they educated about, social justice. If men embrace your strategy, most would never have a relationship and die alone. It'd be terrible for society and the species in terms of mental health, crime, and political polarization, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 05:07 AM
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Judging a book by its cover isn't a serious way to evaluate something.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 09:28 AM
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But when you look at how that plays out on real life, which you can see if you look at the USA right now, it actually does. That's why they say "elections have consequences." For society, and your relationship options.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 09:28 AM
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Also like 70% 80% of men would be knocked off by 2 and 3 and those are completely out of those men's control. That's because their standards aren't realistic or healthy and they have computer brain which has made society bad . Men also contribute to this as well, just differently. The solution is to fix society, because people won't fix themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 09:25 AM
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My experience with looking at the profile of women on dating apps is similar. Many haven't filled out their profile, or have immature, low effort responses that tell me, "they're not taking this seriously, trading on their looks, or looking to for novelty dates (that they probably expect me to pay for) because they're bored." When I was young I met most of your friend's criteria and I was invisible to women. Until one thing: they saw that I worked out. Then I was very visible. But because I had …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 09:15 AM
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Define "great options" and 'HVM." Real life will tell you. Find who you think meets your definition and review their relationship history. Men in high demand will get to pick who they want. If it is a single mother in her 30s, hot or not, you can be damn sure they're picking her for a good reason. You may find these helpful in understanding: Understanding and measuring attractiveness How women rate men Not everyone is a 10 What it's like being with a high value man (they have higher expectations…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 08:43 AM
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It is possible for everyone, if we make it so. We have solved far more complicated things than that. Have you seen a microprocessor being made? We manufacture millions of them. The collective potential of humanity is awesome. We just have to not fool ourselves with ideas like "but it's not possible for everybody." The only limits are what we set ourselves. those engaging a threshold of 3.5% of the population have never failed to bring about change. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 06:04 PM
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Is there a specific bad behavior that you find more of in women than in men when it comes to relationships The red pill is not about vilifying women as bad or problematic. It's about acknowledging the reality of things beyond social conditioning, and learning how to navigate it so you can experience better results, and avoid bad results. It's also about acknowledging the broader issues of society, how they affect men and women, and what that means for you. I gave some examples here: https://np.r…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 10:12 AM
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It's not an issue; it's the way women are. I.e. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/hLPYlogv9O The issue is when people, in this case, women, don't elevate their level of consciousness and manage their baser impulses. That's how we end up with social problems, and when you collectively add those up, a bad society. I.e. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/8BXTiec1vA Conscious humans aren't ruled by their nature, nor do they reject it. They live in harmony with it, but aren't ruled b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 08:27 AM
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Thanks. At least you were thinking about it. It's better than a lot of people. I use a more simplistic definition: Someone who is celibate and doesn't want to be. I would use additional terms, such as black pill as you mentioned, to describe any additional traits. Existing words such as misogyny or patriarchy already pull their weight and are quite descriptive. So there's no need to lump all of that under one word, which just makes words become ambiguous. Do you remember the name of that documen…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 04:09 AM
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Apt username. We agree. If anybody doesn't, I suggest exploring this: Four Horsemen - documentary LEVELS (Basic Version) Levels of Consciousness Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs – Wikipedia He Raised His Baby Boomer Children Badly & Reveals What He Regrets It's really important that people like you and me do what we can to raise awareness about this and give people a framework to understand it so we can do something about it. If we do not, the consequence may be the fall of our civilization or specie…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 04:06 AM
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People just can't be whittled down to a handful of statistics and defining characteristics They actually can be. And if what we could do was used more often, it would transform society. I'm not exaggerating. There's even an evidence base to support this. That's one of the reasons I'm so frustrated with modern society, including the subject of relationships, but other subjects. Human beings are basics at least stumbling, deaf, dumb and blind through the void, when we could be doing so much better…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 03:54 AM
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I reckon a lot of them were just shamed into thinking the only virtuous way to meet women was to pretend they don’t exist and hope one picks you. So you end up with all these guys who are like “nobody wants me” I don't think it's anything to do with shame. We are socialized to think that society functions for ordinary people. It does not. It has been rigged to concentrate wealth, power, good experiences towards a small group in society while the rest of us suffer. By the time many people realize…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 01:41 PM
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Not really. I think that's a pretty terrible way to start one's life. We should be focusing on what's good for society and the species and figuring out how we can best contribute, not just one's own success or what serves corporate, capitalist interests. One of the reasons power and money has been concentrated to so few people is because we have given away our power and become subservient to them, instead of being subservient to what is broadly important to society and the species. And one of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 11:47 AM
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People who are truly optimistic tend to be the most realistic. One can't conjure a good vision for the future and rally people to it if one is completely detached from reality. That's just delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 11:43 AM
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Being good at stuff and "having your shift together" has no bearing on income. There are many incompetent rich people, and many highly skilled poor people. Income goes up in proportion to how selfish and exploitative one is. Which is why the most selfless and egalitarian among us--nurses, teachers, welfare workers, firefighters, farmers--get paid the least. And why the most selfish and explorative--people who work in finance, real estate, gambling, etc--are paid the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 11:42 AM
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What do you define as an "incel"? Iask because it's become like the word woke, DEI, or anti-vaxer: a rorschach test that is more reflective of the person using it than what it's describing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 11:25 AM
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Great example. It's these dynamics at play: I want someone to threaten me at sword point Make a move even though I told you not to I want a dangerous mafia man to spoil me Be toxic, but in an attractive way Insult me, but in an attractive way Ignore me, but in an attractive way Its over. But chase me Equality! But on second thought... "I'm interested" looks the same as "Ew, no" This is why I find it amusing and frustrating when women, as well as blue pill men, selectively dismiss examples such a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 11:23 AM
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Caring about social context and the state of society doesn't make one a "loser." You can only improve so much before you hit the hard limit of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 02:01 AM
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Of course, you're right. The issue is that some women will keep men on in their friend zone as "platonic boyfriends," using them for everything that they would normally get from a boyfriend, but without any physical intimacy. Sometimes they will use such "friends" to get things that they are not getting from their boyfriend. This can be very confusing to young men and difficult to navigate, especially if they care about the girl and we're already friends with them before they developed feelings …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 03:52 PM
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What you said is also wrong. It's based on the work of several people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 11:31 AM
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Yes, confirmation bias exists outside of digital spaces, but it's much easier to rationalize this bias when a person sees posts with 1M likes that affirms whatever delusional belief they have. Offline equivalent: Fox News. Churches. Everything is amplified on social media, and everyone's feed is an echo chamber. It's not an issue of people seeing content that challenges their beliefs and ignoring it. People are simply not seeing content that challenges their views, and only affirms them. Offline…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 08:20 AM
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You're touching on a real phenomena, but it's more complicated than how you describe. These videos explain the nuances: The Standard Female Delusion Chart Proximity how attractive What do you bring to the table? Conform to Reality I'm a 10: status games The Delta Hot Index
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 08:10 AM
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I'm simply saying that social media is too far from reality to use it as a means to form opinions about human behavior. But what is "reality"? You mean objective truth, not reality. Also, I disagree. Bias and unreliability are the same offline. Why do you think things people say offline are more reliable?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:43 AM
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Society, including the dating experience. Would a man who has access to all the food they need go to questionable places to find it? This is a failure of society. Society is responsible, just like it is for the rise of characters like Trump and those who support them. If we did a better job of looking after people, we know from countries that do this, it becomes a non-issue. But "we are to blame and need to take responsibility" doesn't go down with people as scapegoating men, women, "incels," or…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:20 AM
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Ok, but that is also a reflection of "reality." You think the same isn't happening in-person, offline? See, your statement is still true: Offline society influences many people's perception of reality, as we can clearly see in OP's post. Raising awareness of it is fine, but saying the online space is somehow worse than offline spaces questionable. Just listen to the average Trump voter who gets a steady diet of Fox News. They're as or more mind hacked as someone who uses the internet. There are …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:08 AM
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What reality are they a reflection of? Was the US Jan 6th insurrection not a reflection of social media? Pizza gate? Cambridge analytica? What about Zero Days, where a computer virus killed someone? The radicalization of hundreds of people through social media that influences real world events? Is online harassment, doxing, or death threats, and the real world impacts those have, "not reality"? That's all "not reality"? Let's not delude ourselves into thinking social media doesn't influence real…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 06:29 AM
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It's a terrible implication for society. Just look at countries where relationships, sex rates, and birth rates are in decline, and where there are more men than women. And look at the consequences. Basically, it gives rise to fascism. We need to do something about it at a social level, or we're going to have big problems as a society and as a civilization. That's why I think the standard advice here of "just work on yourself, shower, learn social skills" is so out of touch with reality and almo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 04:36 AM
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It's disastrous for families and society. Especially in individualistic, isolationist Western countries where community and family have been destroyed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 03:22 AM
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If you look around at society and see the problems that those traits I mentioned are creating, I don't know what to tell you. And no, it's not addressed by the legal process. It's addressed by changing the values of our society on a micro and macro level. There are many people who are plugged into our current society and benefit from it greatly and don't want it to change. They are part of the problem. There was an entire film franchise about those people made called The Matrix.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:28 PM
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If you like to jump through society's hoops, perpetuate unfortunate social standards, and have your relationships be based on an unsustainable foundation, be my guest. So much of what is said here seems to be born from a society that has moved towards an online dating and cold approach style of forming relationships. I think it's actually quite unhealthy, and people shouldn't pander to it, so we can move past it as a society. What you are not taking into account is that there are many people who…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:25 PM
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But yourself needs to bathe daily, use deodorant, wear clean clothes, brush your teeth, FLOSS, comb your hair, chew with your mouth closed, learn basic manners like not interrupting in a conversation, learn how to actually make conversation, give a damn about the person you're with, etc. That's part of the fiction society tells men that if they are this, they'll have a chance. It's akin to the "work hard, and you'll be able to make money, buy a house, live comfortably" lie. It's a fiction. The r…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:21 PM
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This notion that men need to "become attractive" is very problematic. Aside from some basic inner work that's part of being a functional human, people should be able to find a partner by being themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 03:39 PM
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Men should stop doing that to women, yes. In general, our whole society needs to pivot away from hedonism, short-term gratification, unsustainability, and excessive sexualization. It's destroying our society. Sex is fine. Our relationship with it as a society is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 03:31 PM
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No, I don't think women shouldn't speak This isn't Afghanistan, Iran, or a US presidential election. Though I think people, women included, need to purge a large amount of social conditioning and delusion, and do some serious introspection.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 03:28 PM
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It's not that they're hard to recognise. It's that: you need experience or guidance to recognise it. you need to not be under the influence of your own biology (e.g. hormones) to identify it clearly there are plenty of women who recognise it and stick around or seek out men with those traits anyway, engaging in self-deception and delusion I've seen many women make terrible decisions, some of them doing it repeatedly. They know very well they have a history of doing it, and know they should decid…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 03:09 PM
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Since I am referencing objective facts, you can do your own research to verify that. We now have sophisticated tools that make that very easy. You can indulge in it to your heart's content.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:10 PM
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Not biased in any meaningful way. The sample size is much bigger than one person's circles. And it is essentially a help community for a social subgroup. Similar to alcoholics anonymous, smart recovery, etc. Nobody is in the red pill community simply because they want any relationship. People want a good relationship. And for many people that equates to one that is long-lasting. Not everyone but many people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:09 PM
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why can't they just be honest? HoeMath's content explores that. Here are some videos that touch on that topic, but there will likely be other relevant videos as well: I'm a 10: Status Games TRUTHFULLY (How to Stop Lying with Squares) (AQAL Quadrant analysis) PSYOPS [How your brain is being used against you] Average What a Woman Wants The Mystery Zone LINGO [How your WORDS are making your life SUCK] [with the Situationship Evasion Chart] LEVELS (Basic Version) Zones v3 - The most useful relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 12:47 PM
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That's an objectively false statement. The research does not support it. Many people are in long-term relationships that have infrequent, no, or unsatisfying sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 12:03 PM
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Based on a limited assessment of your comment, that is likely to be a very biased sample that is not representative of what's actually going on out there. For example, you mentioned many of these people are married. Marriage is a very mainstream thing that people do when they have a significant amount of normativity and social conditioning. You also mentioned having circles. There is a significant amount of people, especially men, who do not have circles. They are socially isolated and disconnec…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 12:01 PM
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The idea is that a significant amount of women want a man like that and so they are not available.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 11:53 AM
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Women being in constant fear of men is not a sustainable social dynamic and women should not be dating men that they think might do this. Will they get it wrong sometimes? Yes. But what's the alternative? Waiting until they have sex, and ghosting him? You think that won't have negative repercussions, too? There's a social privilege and misconception that mainstream people have that you can just interact with anyone, and people should be cool and normal. It's not true, and people need to wake up …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:19 AM
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You definitely didn't put words in my mouth in bad faith and create a stawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:09 AM
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You are misrepresenting what I said and making a straw man out of it so you can group me in the category that you put bad people in. It's an abrasive way to communicate and kind of counter to the purpose of this subreddit. I do wish I could link you to the comment I read, but it would be difficult to find. Suffice to say, it said much more about our society than it did men or women. But by all means, keep perpetuating the men versus women wedge issue so we can go at each other's throats while ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 06:27 PM
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Honestly, who cares about image? Can we stop being so superficial and judgemental and just relax a bit? I feel like so much time is wasted with people jumping through arbitrary social hoops, and we hold each other hostage because of it. So much time could be saved and so many negative experiences could be avoided if people had. Instead of a performative social dance for their first date, they had a frank conversation that was direct and focused on core compatibility questions. Ideally, when it c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 06:12 PM
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I can see the appeal of having such a remote, tranquil space for such activities. I think it's kind of unfortunate that there aren't more outdoor spaces suitable for such things. Our society has made nudity so taboo that most people can go their entire lives without feeling the sun on their naked body. An interesting trend I notice here is that red pill and purple pill women seem to be among the most relaxed and cool to interact with. I don't think I would have been able to have a conversation l…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 04:26 PM
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Isn't it amazing how people in the same country, who speak the same language and likely grew up with the same social and cultural norms will over complicate things to such a degree? I find it to be such an indictment of current era humans and the society they have created that we now have more ways to connect than any time in history, but are more disconnected than anytime in history. Some people would apparentl rather be in a situation where they are about to have sex with someone and then ghos…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 02:19 PM
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Clear, direct communication is weird? Like I said in another comment, people like social games and manipulation more than truth and directness. This is not a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 12:18 PM
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Correct. You assume I "follow their ideology." Many people have stereotypical, socially conditioned views of red pill men, and many other people and groups. It's ironic given where the term 'red pill' comes from: The Matrix, a film about waking up from social conditioning. My assessment of truth and value is not so provincial as labelling some people believable and others not. Humans are far more complex than that. Some people are good sources on some things, others are not. Some people speak tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 12:10 PM
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This "stop trying to force me to have sex with people I don't want to have sex with" I'm seeing in this thread from some women is very bizarre. As you said, I'm sure it makes sense to them, but I don't know why. I sometimes wonder how people get through life being so clouded. I've struggled to get by being very clear. Although maybe the sad truth is that some level of self-delusion makes it easier to get by in our current society. But fuck out current society.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 11:46 AM
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Great way to identify men who lie. I'm not a fan of tests, but there's nothing wrong with people showing you who they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 11:40 AM
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Thanks. Boats? As in, canoes, sail boats, or larger? What's the appeal?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 11:39 AM
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Just ask and stop playing games. If you can have sex with someone, you can ask about their penis size. Fear of open communication is not a sustainable basis for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 11:37 AM
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No, people are not what they define themselves as. If I say I'm a truck, that doesn't make me a truck. The one exception to that I'd make is gender identity, where I'll honour what people identify out of respect and courtesy, rather than trying to assess the truth of what they say, just as I'd refer to someone as the name prefer to be called. At what point does a string of bad experiences stop being "because of you" and start being "because of the people you're engaging with"? And calling femini…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 11:35 AM
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Which is why one should listen to "red pill men," which is just a term used to describe men who have experience with and insight into women and society. Yes, there are other problems with some of these people, such as misogyny, patriarchy, and conservatism, but that doesn't make everything they say wrong, you just have to adjust your interpretation to filter out those issues and biases. People who take everything red pill men say literally are as naive as people who take everything blue pill peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 11:27 AM
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I am. That's only why here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 11:19 AM
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Wouldn't you say that's more black pill than red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 11:16 AM
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That's intentional deception, and something they've also learned to do from women. There are people here who have said when seeking casual sex, if they tell a woman this up front, they are less likely to get it. Not because they're tricking women who don't want it into having it, but because those who do want it are engaging in self-deception and expect a certain "game" to be played. I'm an advocate for people not being like this and being direct, but people constantly show they don't like and c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 11:12 AM
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Because what people say, including women, is often unreliable and the advice of "just listen to women" is incomplete. It's like the advice, "don't listen to users" that is given to designers and businesses. Humans, including men and women, aren't very good at explaining the reasons they do or like things. They think they are, but research suggests otherwise, and most people are not aware of it, which makes much of what they say untrustworthy. People are also fairly fickle and judgmental, full of…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 11:05 AM
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What did he do that was so "god-like" and that ranked as "best in life" that other partners didn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 10:17 AM
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You really don't, she can just ask. Normalise honesty and compatability. Who wants to be with a time waster?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 10:14 AM
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If someone genuinely likes you, you can throw out most of the rules. If you have to follow lots of rules and do lots of things, they don't like you, you're just an option, it's just "your turn," and you should move on. If you don't, they probably will. Most of the challenge comes from finding someone who likes you. You can waste years of your life dating or being with time/life wasters who don't actually like you, they just like something you offer, or having a boyfriend, but not you. Don't give…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 10:10 AM
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I meant that bisexuality is a sexuality, not something people do because they have a kink. Heterosexuals fetishising people who are bisexual is different.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:21 PM
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It's more than 10 year old boys. Teenagers also mirror this behaviour. https://yougov.co.uk/society/articles/47419-one-in-six-boys-aged-6-15-have-a-positive-view-of-andrew-tate https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-25/andrew-tate-admired-by-teenage-boys-survey-shows/101885940 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/20563051241228811 Aiden Ross is one example. He was recently unbanned from Twitch https://youtube.com/watch?v=wzFouzw-nd4 These people aren't edgy kids. People like this helped vo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:51 PM
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The red pill as a concept has been around since 1999, when The Matrix was released. It was co-opted by the manosphere community. But one doesn't need the language to experience what it refers to. Nor does one need Reddit to stay informed about social or global events. You say I'm uninformed, yet I study geopolitics. You may want to learn what a "you statement" is and excise them from your vocabulary. That's twice you've used them, falsely. It's abrasive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:34 PM
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Thanks. Interesting. And that's what I'm pointing out: this is unchecked nonsense perpetuated by people who are uncritical and probably have other conditioning that is problematic for society. It reeks of patriarchy and heteronormativity.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 04:31 PM
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you are saying you look down on people who don't browse Reddit No. It's safe to assume you think Reddit is an important place It is for the left, though that's changing. you think most people should be able to speak English No. nono, this isn't about selfishness, it's a language barrier What? No. People can be informed and educated in their own language.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 04:26 PM
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That's not what "he's more woman than man" means. If one doesn't like red heads, you don't need to demean people who do or are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 04:17 PM
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Society bad. Reason: the 99%. I can clarify more if needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 04:10 PM
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I wasn't talking about attraction or entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 04:08 PM
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Since you don't know what is in my Reddit bubble, I don't think you can comment on how much it matters. You are right, a lot of people are only focused on themselves and their own survival needs. That is a problem for society and it is causing lots of problems, including but not limited to, creating a situation where people run that endless treadmill.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 04:05 PM
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Tate is "barely holding on," yet kids under 10 are parroting his words and mentality: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/teachers-shocked-primary-pupils-put-34915146 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/andrew-tate-incel-school-boys-misogyny-students-b2735753.html https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-02/andrew-tate-effect-in-australian-classrooms/103657122 And young men are electing figures like Trump, a convicted rapist with a history of questionable sexual behaviour, in…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 04:01 PM
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Well, tiktok is one example. You can watch many examples of people posting their "field reports" from their dating experiences. And a lot of content that is consumed by younger people comes in the form of streamers. Andrew Tate for example. And his chair sniffing protege, Adin Ross. It's still happening, the format has just changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:43 PM
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I think you misunderstood my comment. And that is not the reason that Trump got elected. The reasons are far more complicated than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:38 PM
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I have a lot of judgement for people whose main source of information is the trending page of whatever social media app they use, or no source, which means they are uninformed and probably a liability to society. I've studied these people extensively and they cause a lot of problems in society, collectively. I do agree though, the specific language of pills is kind of geeky. But it's something anyone who has seen The Matrix should understand. And if there are people who haven't seen The Matrix, …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:34 PM
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What is your basis to assume something different? Thinking critically doesn't require making assumptions or involve taking everything you see at face value. You don't even look at those studies, you reject them by default Are you done telling me what I do and don't do? Your initial claim seems very context, cohort, and time specific. I imagine the results would vary significantly once those two variables are changed. because you don't want to have your beliefs challenged I don't hold many belief…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:31 PM
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The internet and society have evolved since then. I don't use social media much but I'm sure you could find examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:24 PM
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It can be you, but you have too much awareness to return to that. It's like living in a cage and discovering there's a world outside of it. Like The Wall in Solar Opposites.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:19 PM
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Those people can be most dangerous, because they aren't even aware about, or think about, what they're doing. It's just about feelings and vibes for them. I'd take people who are socially intelligent and think about this stuff over cookie cutter mainstream normy blue pills anyway. (I mean blue pill in the sense of those still plugged into the matrix.)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:18 PM
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You're not seeing people who are single or have issues finding a good partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:15 PM
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Most men? 70%? "Committed"? Those studies would need to be scrutinized. Context matters. Also, if what you say is true, then why is there a red pill community and manosphere? You think it's comprised of 30% or less of the men you mention?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:13 PM
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They either tell you or you see them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:11 PM
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Very well said. The pizza gate guy and Jan 6th mob come to mind. I have a working theory that people who say touch grass are very mainstream people who have a very non-diverse social bubble, fit well into society, and have decent amounts of privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:09 PM
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What you're not seeing are the people who aren't having success.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:07 PM
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You realise many people end up in places like this because of their real life experiences?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:06 PM
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Counterpoint: everything I say here is consistent with what I think and do in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:05 PM
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JBW?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:01 PM
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I think that says more about you. Why would you assume that someone you're speaking with in a global virtual space is from the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 01:59 PM
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Which assumes there wasn't already "crap" built into PUA material.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 01:57 PM
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Actually, going out in field and returning to discuss online was a big part of RP. Those who are focusing more on online content are still in the learning phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 01:56 PM
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A lot of what I read here matches up quite well with my experience of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 01:55 PM
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Wow. What happens if the trans man is post bottom surgery and now has, for all intents and purposes, a penis?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 01:45 PM
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Note that I said "only." I was referring to women who are aware of and have transcended their instincts and social conditioning. My use of the term red pill is more expansive and includes other areas apart from relationships. Regarding relationships, even after one wakes up from the matrix, what you do after that is up to you. I think we need to change society, not comply with it. And live consciously, not automatically.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 01:03 PM
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I find it ironic that they'd think that, while also thinking it's ok for women to have sex with people with penises. What were their views on women? Progressive? Conservative?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 11:58 AM
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Yeah, but most people are leading society to ruin. We should not model our behaviour or thinking by the standards of the majority. The majority will lead us off the edge of a cliff if we let them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 11:55 AM
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But the commenter was not stating their personal preference. They were making objective statements. They said in one of their comments that men who have sex with men are less masculine than men who do not and are therefore less attractive to women because they are less masculine. There's so many problems with that statement. I don't know where to begin. And of course they don't factor in trans Or intersex people. And I'm sure if they did their views would be problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 11:55 AM
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Most women agreeing would be an objective truth. If course there's objective truth. "Everything is subjective" is a fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:13 AM
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It's more about society than men or women. We should be taught about how people in our current society operate, why it's bad, and what to do about it. You don't need to foster distrust in people to do this, but understanding. That was my experience. I didn't understand society and that was harming me in various ways. My issue is now that few people understand society, and some who do don't care, so it's important to also foster empathy, community, and civic engagement. Not just through skill dev…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:09 AM
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So it seems I was right. Your objective statements are problematic, as I suspected, but you're using your subjective preferences as a cloak for them. To quote another commenter: They usually think their bigotry is reasonable. If you follow their own reasoning and agree with all their built-in assumptions, it is reasonable. In your case you have some problematic ideas about masculinity. By your statements, all gay people are not masculine. It's not just a case of them "not being masculine to wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:46 AM
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I think attractiveness is largely intrinsic, and dolling oneself up is a superficial facade and unsustainable foundation for a relationship. By your words, you equate self improvement with appearance changes. I don't. I find people who are useful to sociality and morally good more attractive than people who invest time and money into their physical appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:39 AM
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Because I was responding to them, and you're questioning one of my responses in an entire conversation they had.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:17 AM
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There's a lot of work you can do to improve as a person that will not bring better results. Improvements to physical appearance will. But that's not necessarily a good thing because you'll attract superficial people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:14 AM
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Men love bisexual women. So if men being bisexual doesn't deminish them as people, how does it deminish them as partners to women? Your subjective preference is not objective truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:13 AM
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Search their username in the thread and look at their comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:09 AM
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You say that as if it's a bad thing. Neurotypicals are leading society off a cliff.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:08 AM
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Why would you want to be with a woman who only values looks, status, and social skills?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:06 AM
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Working on yourself is overrated. People don't care. Only do it because it will get you better results. There's a lot of work you can do to improve as a person that will not bring better results. Which is fine to do, but people don't care about it. Do it for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:03 AM
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To quote another commenter: If it grosses you out for men to be with men, I don’t think you should be with bi men. What I object to is describing it as inherently gross. Pears taste gross to me, but I don’t tell male pear eaters they’re gross and not real men. It wouldn’t occur to me to do that. The women I’ve known like this were usually bigoted in many ways. Usually they had opinions about specifically Asian men as well, oddly. Like viewed them as unsexual beings. I can’t imagine not finding M…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:54 AM
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Ok, but then what about trans women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:28 AM
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So you say you're speaking subjectively, but making all these objective statements. How do you reconcile that? How does being bisexual deminsh one as a partner for a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:19 AM
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But you didn't explain why. You just reiterated the act that does it, but not why.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:17 AM
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No, you missed my point, being: Nobody is trying to force you to have sex with bisexual men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:15 AM
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Yeah, that's a good point. I notice a trait of people like this is they're not good at determining truth, and are often more emotionally guided than intellectually guided. So it's all about feelings and vibes, and they seek out intellectual frameworks that support that. The problem comes when they think that they are objectively right, and impose that on other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:12 AM
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Did your opinion of them change once you realised you were bi?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:04 AM
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now you have
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:01 AM
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but are with women for the convenience of unapid domestic labor and emotional support. So you're suggesting that some people are bisexual for the perks, and not because it's their sexuality? It sounds like you have a lot of prejudice and stereotypical views.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:57 AM
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The women I've known like this were usually bigoted in many ways. We're seeing this in the comments of this thread, it seems. They say they're not, but of course they'd say that. Nobody who doesn't think they're bigoted wants to admit or face that they're bigoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:56 AM
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Bisexuality is not a fetish.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:54 AM
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I won't be guilted into having sex with unattractive men. Conflating that with someone talking about a spectrum of homophobia is pretty wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:52 AM
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Gross subjectively or objectively?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:50 AM
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This is beginning to sound like homophobia. Do you say the same about gay people? Is their value as men diminished because they're gay? Also, that's not what asexual means.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:47 AM
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Currently the societal narrative is men are judgemental and sex negative while women have no biases and just want to enjoy sex with a respectful person. Which is the point of this subreddit, right? Hashing that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:46 AM
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Wait, what? It "diminishes them as men"? Why? I get the "base level" stuff, but that's a step beyond.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:44 AM
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Did they explain why?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:41 AM
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I have seen women be truly terrible to men they consider unattractive. Though the same could be said for men. I don't think it's a trait of women, it's a trait of current era humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 01:54 PM
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I think you are bias by your subjective experience. You seem to be assuming that men are around women enough that they're actually going to get to know them or be interested in approaching them. There are a lot of men who get up, go to work, go home, and repeat the process. Maybe they go out occasionally. Maybe they meet up privately with friends. But beyond that, they're not meeting women. They're certainly not getting hit on by them. It's not necessarily a case of pursuing, more so a case of i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 06:23 PM
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You realise that that is not the typical experience that men have, right? Many men do not get hit on by women, period. Let alone at multiple locations.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 05:46 PM
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Yes. It's about avoiding caricatures and stereotypes, transcending tribalism, and stepping out of the men versus woman culture war wedge issue and trying to understand the deeper dynamics at play so we can create a better society. That doesn't mean misogyny will go away, but it does mean we might understand what is causing it. Which allows us to do something about it instead of demonising people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 05:41 PM
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Of course you can. Also, you don't need to be at a cafe. Like I said, you've met someone that you don't understand but rather than dealing with that, you're insulting and judging me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 05:32 PM
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Which is reminiscent of how the word woke, social justice, anti-vaxx have been bastardized by bad actors. There is already a term for people who hate women. We don't need to create a new one.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 05:20 PM
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Many women would not respect a man who has not had sex at that age, or men who are not specially experienced. This is not my opinion, this is something I have heard from women of varying ages. Most people will virtue signal and say that there is nothing wrong, but in reality people will assume that there is something wrong with that person. I was just on a left-leaning subreddit they referred to the type of people who congregate here as losers who can't get laid. And that is coming from a left-w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 05:17 PM
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What type of locations are they hitting on you at?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 05:12 PM
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Most people are socialised to socialise over food and beverages. But you do not need to eat or drink things in order to socialise or date someone. What you are encountering here is someone who is different to you and you are having trouble with it because you are used to meeting people like yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 05:06 PM
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Socialist in what way? What definition are you using?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 04:28 PM
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I was suggesting that many women have values or character traits that are incompatible with me, so regardless of how physically attractive they are, I do not feel attracted to them. A pretty face doesn't outshine who they are as a person. I would not seek a relationship solely based on physical attraction. What a hollow existence that would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 04:15 PM
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Your responses indicate you have issues with interpreting what you read, so I'm not sure there's any point trying to debate further, as I'd be mostly pointing out what you misinterpreted, instead of debating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 01:24 PM
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Then they're obviously idiots. Your privilege and mainstream bias is showing. I'm not sure how you can explore the red pill community in good faith and conclude the men I describe are just idiots. That's also an ad hominem, not an arguement. And you flared this thread "debate." The issue many men face is that even in social situations, not chasing women as you suggest, there are no women interested in them, or they only attract problematic women. The same can be said of many women. There are iss…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:37 PM
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And most men could have women they don't have to chase if they start dating bottom dwellers. But that's not very exciting. Most guys have no interest in dumpster diving. But it's also about compatability, right? I've had women who are objectively not attractive interrelated in me, but I had no interest in them not because they are inherently unattractive, but because they weren't attractive to me. I find is that many women focus on physical attractiveness to the exclusion of everything else that…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:31 PM
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So buying things is courtship? I think you mean escorting. At this rate men will need to submit a bank statement and payslips like when applying for welfare.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:23 PM
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The reality is that the true masculine is magnetic, and it doesn't have to chase. know this from my own experience. have more 'success" with women when I don't try than when im chasing. And its not because i look any special way. So how do you attract women? Why are they approaching you? Because many men would sooner die alone than have women approach them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:20 PM
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Thanks. Though I asked where, not how. What locations? I'm not asking for your location, but the types of venues.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 11:39 AM
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Where do you meet most of the women you've had sex with?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 07:30 AM
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This is called proximity bias. https://neurolaunch.com/proximity-bias-psychology/
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 08:39 AM
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Are you sure feminism was a scam by capitalists to trick women into wage slavery, and not a progressive social movement to secure rights and freedoms for a disadvantaged group?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 03:56 PM
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I was trying to understand what they refer to when they say the work, not what the red pill community refers to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 03:54 PM
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You should focus on objective data instead of subjective, anecdotal experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 02:39 PM
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You have a very narrow view of society if you think the opposite of superficial and hedonistic is boring and bookish. The opposite I presented was about selfish versus selfless. Hedonistic vs minimalistic. Shallow vs deep. People who are looking for a partner to provide them with adventure probably have an incredibly boring life and are seeking stimulation from their relationship and activities. These people are not spending enough time trying to improve society. They likely spend most of their …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 02:35 PM
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Is it accurate that men expect women to do everything? Men are providing guidance. But when they do, it gets labelled as problematic. E.g. the "manosphere" (stupid name) and red pill community is socially taboo. And traditionally fraternal groups are under pressure to be more inclusive. Yes, some of it is problematic. But it is also valuable and needed. We need alternatives that are not problematic--more left aligned spaces and content to counter the ring wing dominance of these male spaces. But…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 02:17 PM
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They are. But not enough. Men are getting exploited by capitalists like everyone else is. Society is also changing and there has been nothing to really address that. Patriarchy exists but it is not enforced by everyone equally. It is primarily enforced by people in positions of power and capital owners. Most men are just trying to survive like everyone else. And because our society has us so focused on survival--the lower rungs of Maslow's hierarchy of needs--we don't have time for the important…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 01:55 PM
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What is "the work"?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 08:48 AM
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Yes, what is not often talked about is the consequences women with baggage has for men. They might talk about the problem it has for man, but they don't talk about the baggage it creates in them. It creates a trauma cycle that can essentially ruin many relationships, and many people are not equipped with the skills or knowledge to deal with it effectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 03:00 AM
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There is nothing normal about seeing humans as commodities. That's the mindset that creates the baggage in women that this thread is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 02:57 AM
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Therein lies the issue. They use relationships as a form of therapy. And because men aren't usually taught these things, other than in the red pill community--which yes, I agree has a lot of problematic stuff intertwined with some useful information and a sense of community--they have to learn to identify what this looks like from experience. That's why some people say the red pill community saves men's lives. Because it helps men identify and avoid women like this, because they can cause major …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 02:56 AM
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Simple: Women get on relationships with questionable men, either unintentionally because they didn't know, or intentionally because they seemed fun/sexy/hot/good in bed/rich. These men don't treat them well, which affects them emotionally, sometimes even physically. They leave but begin a new relationship before they've addressed those issues. "If you don't heal what hurt you, you'll bleed on people who didn't cut you." It manifests as relationship conflict, and as using men as rebound relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 02:49 AM
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Or men could find someone who likes them, rather than someone you have to jump through all those hoops so they like you. And what's with this idea that all women want so someone "adventurous"? And why is that prioritised? I'd be less attracted to someone so superficial and hedonistic. Modern society is enough of an adventure. If someone needs more, they're not doing enough to fix it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 02:20 AM
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What's the difference between extending and pumping? And an air or water pump?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 12:26 PM
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There is non-surgical penis enlargement, so you can change it. What results have you gotten from your so called "dickmaxxing"? And from doing what?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 12:18 PM
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Yes, you answered the question. Comprehensively. I would give you this to consider: how would you know? There may be some instances where you may be able to see that you have due to their body language or statements they have made but it is possible to do something that has an impact on someone and have them not say anything about it. Please understand, I'm not suggesting you are lying. I'm suggesting that it is possible to cause harm or impact people negatively without realising it. Including u…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 12:00 PM
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I've never harmed anyone in my life. How do you define harm?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 08:48 AM
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I don't have TikTok, so I haven't watched the video. The title is: Violence against women is a men's issue, not a woman's one Patriarchy exists. But these are issues with society. Because of that, assigning men 100% responsibility isn't going to addrrss it. Patriarchy affects both men and women, it just manifests differently for each. Beyond that, I'm not sure what you're asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 08:45 AM
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Some reasons that men may prefer to date younger women that I don't often see being discussed: 🔹They may have less relationship baggage, and because these men have experience with women who have relationship baggage, they are hoping to avoid that in future. 🔹women have limited windows of fertility and if a man wants to have children with a woman, and needs time to go through the process of determining if a woman is someone they want to have children with, dating someone who is in their 30s or 40…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 04:37 AM
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Some of them do have a way of holding all men responsible for a cohort of problematic men, however. Men do this as well. Both men and women need to stop this. Most of our issues are class issues and the men versus women culture war is a wedge issue to prevent us from addressing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 04:14 AM
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What does "not having the best social skills" mean? I don't understand how having social skills increases ones value. What skills were you lacking, specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 01:49 AM
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https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/guides/what-is-lemon-party-and-why-should-you-not-google-it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 03:24 PM
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Bad things happen when people use their own misconceptions and misinterptations to dehumanize other people. E.g. https://np.reddit.com/r/SocialDemocracy/s/Eqq11sIFTv https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory Why are you certain that your interpretation is accurate? Especially when it leads you to the conclusions you have made about me. It's terrible argumentation. You've constructed a stawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 05:02 AM
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The democratic system did not break overnight. It took decades of inaction for it to get that way. People could change everything you describe. So why is it not changed? Society isn't held captive by a tiny minority who have power. Society is held back by the 99% who give it away. Also, selectively hiring specific groups is a form of positive discrimination that happens in many places. I'm not suggesting that is the solution to the issue Op brings up, but people here are acting as if it doesn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 04:45 AM
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I didn't do that. That's your bad faith interpretation, so you can pretend that I'm some bad guy and smear me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 04:39 AM
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I don't understand what you mean, what is it that you think I'm doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 04:23 AM
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This issue isn't about men or women. It's about society and the types of people in it. Most people don't care about these issues, as indicated by the state of society. If they did, it would be different.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 04:21 AM
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People frequently want to have sex with people who don't want to have sex with them and manage to control themselves fine without becoming sex criminals. Like paedophilia (the condition, not acting on it), it only becomes an issue when people act on it. Men also get a lot of problematic social feedback, including from women, that some women like to be chased, that they like to play hard to get, and that they (men) need to put in the work and woo women. In general, we do a pretty bad job of helpi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 03:33 AM
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If they don't have brothers or cousins, or those people are not nearby or in the same country, then they can't. There are a lot of issues with what OP suggests, but what they are essentially suggesting is a form of positive discrimination which is already practised in many different areas for many different groups. OP has identified a genuine issue, they just have bad ideas about how to solve it because they are ignorant on the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 03:25 AM
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Still not a reason to be sexist about salaries. I didn't say it was. I mean none of you really have a problem with sexism in salaries anyway. Men are pretty selfish why would they want to mentor some kid they aren’t related to. Seems like you are both stereotyping man and turning them into a monolith. Which also seems pretty sexist to me. Also the belief that male teachers are going to be so willing to take these poor fatherless children under their wing and mentor them to be better men is laugh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 03:21 AM
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Bad faith arguments and ad hominems.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 03:11 AM
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That's not even a proper sentence, so no.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 03:08 AM
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Make dead men man up? What are you talking about? This is a society issue, not a man vs woman issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 03:02 AM
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Which is difficult if the father involved is dead, or there are no male family members, or local family members.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 01:59 AM
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There are other reasons that men get paid more. One of them is that we have a bad society and economy that places arbitrary values on different roles and professions detach from the value they provide from society, and that many companies are there to syphon profits for a few people through wage theft. And since teaching is typically a publicly funded role, there is no opportunity to do that. The people who like those sorts of arrangements have rigged it so they get paid more. And that isn't exc…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 01:58 AM
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Shouldn't some men just man up and take the financial hit like women do? Wouldn't that be a manly thing to do? They could always generate income on the side through ~exploitation~ investing or real estate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 01:55 AM
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Some boys don't have fathers. Some boys have fathers who are not around or should not be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 01:53 AM
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Where do you get the "limited resources" idea from? According to you, men get both paid higher and jobs that don't suck, so why are teachers relegated to jobs with low pay that suck? You realise that teaching doesn't have to suck or be low pay, right? Which, given that you prioritise children so much, you would think that it would make sense for society to prioritise children by prioritising teachers, who they spend literally a quarter of their life with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 01:53 AM
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I think the inherent issue there is that you suggest that being fat and a nerd is a bad thing. I'm not saying being overweight is healthy, but there are many reasons why people can be overweight despite their best efforts and intentions, and being a nerd has become largely normalised in our society. I'm not saying you're wrong obviously are most women are more attracted to people who aren't nerds and who aren't overweight. I'm saying it's an issue with society and an example of the double and su…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 01:20 AM
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There are social factors outside of one's immediate control that impact people, despite their best efforts and intentions. Some people don't need to try harder to act differently, they need to understand society. Society does a bad job at this, because many people are deceiving themselves, and those who aren't are using it to their advantage, selfishly, and don't want things to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 01:18 AM
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Why would one want a second date with someone who is so superficial and entitled? The rest of the relationship is going to be about performative nonsense and fulfilling arbitrary social roles. I suspect this is one of the reasons many relationships fail. They begin with an unsustainable foundation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 01:04 AM
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A first date is to determine compatability and get to know someone, not for recreation or leisure. You don't need to spend money to do that, or do anything other than sit or walk and talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 12:58 AM
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Coffee isn't a drink? What drinks do you mean? Alcohol? What if they don't drink alcohol? Are those people "boring"? You didn't answer my other question.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 12:44 AM
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You can bring a drink with you. Needing to have ready access to drinks you can buy is pretty limiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 12:41 AM
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According to that, Level 1 and 2 literally aren't friends. The word loses all value if everyone who isn't a random person is a friend. People you see at work aren't friends, they're colleagues. A barista you see at a coffee shop is an acquaintance, not a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 12:26 AM
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What should people open with instead? And why do you think that what you think is boring is boring to the rest of the population?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 12:04 AM
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And yet there are also women who expect to have a first date almost immediately and prefer to do the talking in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 12:03 AM
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Aren't you there for a date, and not products?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 11:56 PM
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Of course they do. So the issue then is not to address dating apps, but to address people. The products and politicians created by a society reflective of the people that make up that society. Better people make for better societies. That's why focusing on dating apps is irrelevant. There is no shortage of good, well-made things that have not been successful due to people preferring worse, more problematic solutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 04:31 PM
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Current dating apps that are made for profit instead of people are. But it is possible to make a dating app that is actually good and well-designed and made to benefit people, and I think it would be more profitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 04:12 PM
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We should, but the amount of people who disagree with you outnumber the people who agree with you. People are the problem. Though I'm not suggesting there isn't anything we can do about it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 04:10 PM
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Lack of kindness has nothing to do with honesty or genuineness. Lack of kindness is about lack of character. If one has good character or bad character, honesty and genuineness will reveal it. Honesty and genuineness are not the problem. Bad character is the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 03:26 PM
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People's online behaviour is just a raw, unfiltered version of their offline behaviour. They will behave similarly in any situation when they think there is no consequences. Unless they actually have good character, in which case their behaviour online and offline will be similar. The behaviour change is not about online or offline. It is about character.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 03:24 PM
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And what's the alternative? If there were realistic, viable alternatives, do you think people would be turning to social media? You're literally describing rat park: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qNeSkyHccmo&pp=ygUJcmF0IHBhcmsgark
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 03:22 PM
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People are definitely the problem. Dating apps are also a problem, but any changes in design would be to address the problems with people and circumvent their problematic traits. And it is people who make those apps in the first place. Also, a lot of so-called real life dating is essentially an in-person version of a dating app. People see people that they find physically attractive and either ask them out or send signals indicating they want to be asked out. Both are superficial and problematic…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 03:17 PM
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Your sample is bias. Funny though. I think it says more about the socio-demographics of the areas you have been in.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 02:55 PM
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You are not describing "a slob." You're describing someone with either mental health issues, or some sort of disability who does not have the support they need. So your scenario is unrealistic, because you're suggesting this would not be indicated in other ways. It would. Perhaps because you're essentially mirroring male examples of this, but in a woman. And generally, society has different standards for how it handles mental health and disability when it comes to men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 02:52 PM
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What is causing women you were dating to do that? Are you one of the rare men you describe? Are you rich? Attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 12:46 PM
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Why do I care? Because I'm not a sociopath. Not only are there serious implications for the future of our species, but the future of other species. I think you have a very stereotypical caricature of people who are knowledgeable of or identify as part of the "red pill" community. You seem to be more closely aligned with black pill ideology, not to mention pessimism and fatalism. You look around at what's happening in society and your conclusion is that you think you will be fine? You're either v…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 12:43 PM
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Well, here's a recent thread where several women say they want their partner to earn more, but also want equal pay, and also don't think that indicates an inherent issue with society: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/90c3lMqpKT There's an arguement to be made for looking at the objective stats when it comes to this issue, but I think a lot of people are also speaking from their experience. And unfortunately, there aren't really good ways to get around this issue. I remember reading in …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 09:22 AM
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I don't know what you're supporting. But yes, that's what I'm saying is problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 09:06 AM
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Yeah, I'm fully on board with progressive changes to employment and the economy. And when I say "progressive," I mean what most people would call radical change and revolution. I'm not on board with unrealistic or sexist double standards. We can't pick and choose when it comes to social justice. Either we want a good society for everyone, or we don't. And that requires not just changing institutions, but that we change. Without that, any form of institutional change will be unsustainable because…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 09:03 AM
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Of course you can. If you think everyone can be good looking, well, you're like those women who think all women are a 10. That's not how it works. Listen to an 8+ and their experience. It's not like yours. And unless you're willing to do silly attraction games, you won't get around that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 08:56 AM
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Let me simplify it like this: you want to be provided for and your partner to make more than you, but you also want to get paid equally. Is that correct? Because that's the premise of the thread. If that is the case, aside from the issue of the historic pay gap between men and women and some sort of reparations to address that, in the long term, there will be lots of unfortunate repercussions from expecting equal pay while also expecting to be provided for by men. It essentially creates a subcla…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:20 PM
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But the whole part of wanting equal pay is to address the inequalities of the system. I don't understand why one would want to address one aspect of inequality while not also wanting to address others. At a deeper level, the whole premise of deeper pay and compensation is problematic. Yes, in the short term we can address some of it by focusing on and achieving equal pay, but then to expect men to also be providers and pay for things is hypocritical, not to mention unsustainable because it will …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:12 PM
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So essentially you're saying that you're okay with certain forms of unfairness, but not other forms. How do you justify that? It seems like you're picking and choosing between equality and justice that's good for you, and leaving other people to just deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:08 PM
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This is where you need to learn the art of negotiation. Most people won't- they accept what the company offers. I learned to stand up and state what I wanted and not to go for the first offer. I work to tear the system down, not perpetuate it. That doesn't pay well, but it's the only moral thing to do. Nobody is going to pay me well to do it. If someone has taken the time, effort, and dedication to learn a job, whether or not they like it, they will get paid more in many areas of the job market.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 02:04 PM
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Like I said, not everyone has terrible values. A lot of what I see in this community essentially is a result of people just allowing themselves to be subservient to their baser impulses and pretending that's a reasonable or good thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 12:01 PM
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So you equate how good a career is with the pay? Or the working conditions? Both?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:45 AM
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How do you reconcile wanting a man to provide for you and make more for you with expecting on a social level? Women and men to be paid equally? Doesn't that seem like a hugely problematic social situation that is essentially untenable? I can completely understand. Women wanting equal pay to men. But then to continue discrimination in their personal lives seems hypocritical to me. It's like picking and choosing which gender discrimination you prefer. Instead of ending discrimination. As I said in…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:43 AM
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Why do you think that people should get paid more if they are highly qualified and highly skilled? That seems to incentivise a society where instead of people doing what they like to do, they focus on doing what generates them more money. Which seems bad for society. For example, I can do things that also require high skill and high qualifications, but I don't expect to be paid more because of it. It's just a requirement for me to be able to do what I would like to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:34 AM
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Why is it nicer to be with a partner who earns more than you? Doesn't that seem like an inherent problem with society? I mean sure it's convenient, but the whole system perpetuates things like pay gaps. Which is not only a gender thing. It's also a class thing, and a race thing. Wouldn't you not want that? I don't understand this idea of being anti-capitalist in one regard and not anti-capitalist in other regards. I find it hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:25 AM
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Why does it not have anything due to with your personal preferences? I don't understand how that's true. Let's say a certain percentage of women in the population want men to provide for them, and pay for dates and other things, and find men who earn more attractive and men who earn less, less attractive. Don't you think there are going to be some social repercussions because of that? If this segment of women in the population exist and is large enough, you would almost expect there to be a sort…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:22 AM
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But that's actually not how the system works. People who produce 20% more potatoes do not get paid more than people who produce less. Both of those people would have their labour siphoned off in the form of profits. That's what profit is: unpaid labour.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:17 AM
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So you're okay with types of work--and thus, people and groups--being valued differently, but you just don't want men and women to be valued differently? What basis do you want the discrimination to occur on? Where do you draw the line? For the record, I don't draw a line and think everyone should have their human needs met as a human right, and don't see a difference between a bus driver and a surgeon.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:16 AM
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Can you give some examples of what a pretty good career is?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:06 AM
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No, what they said supports it. People will use other people because they are attractive, but attractive people don't necessarily have the traits they want for a long term relationship, or attractive people may attract people with traits not suited to a long term relationship. I think the difference is traits. People who do this are transactional and selfish, and it's wise to avoid them. You can "have fun" with such people, but I'd suggest the price you pay, or may pay, isn't worth it. There's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 09:56 AM
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Person who did look at any of my links says what?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 09:47 AM
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Respectfully, can you rewrite that without sounding like a caveman? I don't understand what you're asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 09:44 AM
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There's some good videos about this: https://youtu.be/7rgXgANHrhk https://youtu.be/3vZjjiEIyug It's not so much about avoiding women. It's about avoiding certain types of women, i.e., those who have caused problems for you or other people. And because it can be difficult to tell the difference, that might involve avoiding more women than you might prefer to, just in case. It's not necessarily something you want to do, more so an unfortunate consequence of modern society, like not being able to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 09:40 AM
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The best looking guys I know who get laid nonstop with attractive women are not 6 feet tall nor do they make 6 figures. Yeah, but that's casual sex. It changes when it comes to long term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 08:28 AM
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Heck, getting asked out at all. Imagine that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 08:25 AM
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Thats part of life. No, it's a choice made by people in society. Better people choose to do something about that, like countries that adopt a housing first policy to solve homelessness https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_First?utm_source=chatgpt.com We could solve world hunger and homelessness easily. https://truthout.org/articles/musk-pledged-6b-to-solve-world-hunger-but-gave-it-to-his-own-foundation-instead/?utm_source=chatgpt.com We choose not to. Also you can still party even if you aren…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 08:22 AM
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These guys do not struggle with women. Don't they? Here's one: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7rgXgANHrhk The men who are "nice" who struggle with women are the ones with bland personalities. Are they? What even is a "bland personality"? They self describe as "nice" because they have nothing else going on. Do they self describe as nice? This seems to be your straw man argument to avoid dealing with inconvenient truths. Either way, I mostly reject the premise that if people change themselves more th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 08:15 AM
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Ok, I'll see your analogy and raise you: What if one doesn't like playing poker, or has little time or money for it? I feel like much of this topic is classist.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 08:03 AM
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You're making a lot of assumptions and conflating being nice with other traits, allowing you to paint being nice in a negative light. It's a stawman argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 01:10 AM
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Competent at what? They would lose attraction, become resentful and eventually cheat or just leave. https://youtube.com/watch?v=vydgkCCXbTA https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y5iY0monNBM Not everyone has terrible values.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 01:09 AM
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Going to a bar or dancing, sure. But introverts also like checking out new restaurants, seeing bands, going to festivals. Cookouts vs NYE parties. There are dozens of things to do which don’t require loud, attention seeking behavior. More assumptions. You seem like a very mainstream person who is quite privileged and fits well into the infrastructure of society. Not everyone is like this, however. And those are the people who need help, not people who are having an easy time with everything. But…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 01:32 PM
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The assumption there is that one will make friends or have meaningful social interaction from those experiences. It also seems very biased towards people with extroverted personality traits. If the goal is to make friends or find a partner, there are more efficient ways to do it that are more likely to pay off. It's a little bit like looking for a job. You can randomly apply to lots of different places and hope you will find a job. But if you've ever had to look for a job, you'll know how ineffi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 12:55 PM
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The advice is meant to ensure a man doesn’t treat his platonic friends like a dating pool, but instead a method of socializing and meeting new people. Honestly, that seems very inefficient if the goal is to find a partner. You could literally waste years and get no result. It’s possible to wind up dating a friend, after you’ve spent significant time together discovering you have a rapport and mutual attraction. But it’s more likely hanging out with friends exposes you to new people outside the g…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 12:37 PM
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Some people never got to live them to begin with. Which is ironic given that you frame it as a phase of life you can't recreate later. You're essentially saying huge swaths of the population will be disadvantaged. And people wonder why people without a college degree make some of the political choices they do, framing them as the problem instead of the society that left them behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 10:55 AM
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Yes. It also assumes that when you're socialising, you're actually going to meet people who could be potential romantic partners. There are so many reasons why that may not be the case. And there's only so much time and money that people have for socialising. Which of course leads to people resorting to dating apps and dating specific activities, of which the problems with those have already been discussed many times.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 10:49 AM
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Thanks. Can you explain how volunteering can be used as a social experience you can invite people to? All the volunteering I've ever done has been hard work and serious. Like regular work. It was not an opportunity to socialise or even really meet people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 10:33 AM
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Yes, it's a consequence of focus on wealth generation and concentration over people. AKA capitalism. It's possible for there to be good companies and workplaces, even within a capitalist society, but much less likely because that's not why those organisations exist. They exist to extract and exploit. So what you describe is them working as intended. It needs to change. And it starts by acknowledging the role society plays in this stuff, instead of shifting all responsibility to individual people…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 10:23 AM
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Which results in the move to dating apps, where men and women have a terrible experience, people get traumatised, polarised, and alienated, and it further fuels the men vs women wedge issue. It is society that needs to change. It's not enough to "looksmax" and "learn to banter."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 10:17 AM
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This post assumes people go to college or had meaningful friendships in highschool or college. Part of the issue is that society lacks the infrastructure to support what you describe, as described by: http://www.youtube.com/@NotJustBikes https://youtube.com/@strongtowns https://youtube.com/@adamsomething This includes economic infrastructure, such as workplaces designed for people instead of profit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 10:15 AM
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And of course singles are told not to socialise to get a partner, just do it to socialise and maybe you'll get a partner. Which to me is like telling someone to go play slot machines, and maybe you'll hit the jackpot. But you may also end up broke, metaphorically speaking. I'm not saying it's necessarily wrong, but the advice ignores a lot and imposes the burden on people, ignoring the role society plays.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 10:13 AM
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It's more nuanced than that. I'll spare you the technical explanation, but everyone gets energy from specific situations. It's just easier for extrovert types because the rage of situations is likely higher, and society caters less to the specific situations extrovert types need. Only recently have we seen things like quiet periods at shops, for example, which is society beginning to recognise diversity. Extroverts also are wired to see talking to random people as normal, and they get something …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 10:11 AM
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Adult life is just inherently less social, there are more responsibilities. It's not an inherent attribute of adult like, it's entirely dependent on the society and economy one is in. Do you not make friends at work or not go to networking events, and then see some of those people outside work? At places such as? Or to do what, for example?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 09:58 AM
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Can you give some examples of the anywhere or activities you refer to?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 09:52 AM
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People who fit neatly into the mainstream infrastructure of society really underestimate how difficult it is for people who do not. And the more you don't, the worse it gets. COVID was a great example. People were melting down over short lockdown periods, where for some people, that is their usual experience or something they experience for extended periods of time. For people like that, they don't understand that going out in the way you mentioned is essentially more work, and the benefit you g…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 09:50 AM
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I wasn't attempting to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 04:00 AM
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What was it then?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 03:59 AM
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You can be nice and still be attractive but unless you're also confident and successful people are just going to take advantage of you. You also need to be wise and shed your social conditioning. Plenty of young people are confident but get exploited. Successful at what? "Being successful" in our society tends to involve exploitation, so I'm not sure if it's a worthwhile state to strive for. Although theoretically the more empathetic you are the less resources you are going to end up accumulatin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 03:51 AM
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Nobody uses the term and means what you just described in your first paragraph. Can we not distort being nice into some sort of bad thing? "Nice" is just a shorthand for the things you mentioned. We should reclaim the term. My entire comment was about the detriments of not valuing people who are nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 02:09 AM
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Yeah, as someone who has repeatedly been described as more caring and considerate than most people, I've found women, and people in general, don't like nice guys. Not the people who use a nice front for transactional purposes, but genuine nice guys. As the saying goes, nice guys--good people--finish last. Our society does not value them. There's a huge amount of people who cloak disrespectful, anti-social, selfish behaviour in civil, nice words, and they get a pass because they're "following the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 12:57 AM
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Icel is a problematic slur used to dismiss people and perpetuate the men vs women wedge issue. It's usually factually wrong, and used to "other" people. It's born from the same mentality that allowed Trump to get elected twice: ignore huge swaths of the population, and hope that turns out well. Arrested Development narrator: "it didn't." It's also poor argumentation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 11:55 PM
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I don't engage in judging books by their covers. There are plenty of things with quirky, controversial, or facetious names. E.g. SlutWalk - a feminist protest group. Witch, Please - a feminist podcast. Slutty Vegan, a restaurant. Dead White Men, an art social critique Bitch Media, a news site. Kill Your Darlings, a film Thicc Cakes, a restaurant No White Saviors, a social media campaign Art Hoe Collective, a movement for QPOC (queer, people of colour) If one wanted to get the attention of the ty…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 11:38 PM
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I also don't say any of those terms. The ick is just realizing someone is human and you're just not that into them. Depends on the type of "ick". In general, I'd see anyone using the term to be a red flag. It likely says a lot about their level of consciousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 12:32 PM
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You're familiar with HoeMath's ick model? https://youtube.com/@hoe_math/search?query=ick
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 12:12 PM
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You're a bit too committed to that bit. That's probably an ick.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 12:09 PM
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I have never used the word "ick" to describe something, nor do I have an equivalent list of "icks," even if you swap out the term.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 12:07 PM
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I just think your premise has tragic implications for whole swaths of the population, and I think it's a wonky basis for relationships. I'd rather have a partner who likes me for me rather than how I present myself, and who feels comfortable being themselves without needing to do things to "maintain attraction" long term. If you have to do that, I'd suggest there are fundamental compatibility issues. Though maybe you're better suited to people who care about such things. What I take issue with i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 09:58 AM
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Bro said he gets along better with animals than people lmao Behaviour like this is why.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 09:49 AM
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What are the bad things that you imagine may happen? That's a question for another thread. The responses may surprise you. E.g. Men of Reddit, what was the worst thing that happened when you approached a woman? What did you learn the hard way about approaching women? Does anyone else feel women have made it "creepy" to approach a girl in public? How many of you were arrested after approaching a woman? Why don't men approach women anymore? Would you agree that one of the reasons some men no longe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 09:46 AM
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It's a spectrum. That's on the more tolerable, less impactful end. I'm talking about more serious consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 09:38 AM
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That's like arguing that people should engage in shoplifting. The entire premise is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 09:15 AM
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Who the hell wants to be with someone pretending to be something they are not. Many women, unfortunately. That's part of the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 09:09 AM
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Well, I can attract normie relationships if I want. But I'd rather not. It's not lack of ability. It's lack of desire. I don't use it as a slur, but it's akin to befriending someone in The Matrix when youve taken the red pill. I get along better with other animals than most humans, because animals are sane and have good values. Your whole post seems to argue for women being subject to their biological impulses, while everything I've said is about transcending them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 09:02 AM
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“*Smells good to you and the person you like.” And Wearing a delicious smelling cologne Seem contradictory. And how are you supposed to achieve the venn diagram of something you like and what the person you like likes. I prefer no smell. I.e. nothing beyond their natural scent. So how would that even work? What's the venn diagram there? I'm sure you'd put me in one of the lower rankings you mention. Though I'd rank people focused on such superficial nonsense low, too. Society is burning around u…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 08:57 AM
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Who gets to decide what is socially unacceptable? Beyond basic hygiene, most social standards are bullshit, and people are empty, inauthentic husks. Authentic people have a light inside of them that is far more attractive than what OP described.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 08:43 AM
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I really wanted to share the video, but I couldn't find it. I will once I do. It was more meaningful than I made it sound.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 08:28 AM
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It's not just that, it's downright risky in various ways to approach women. Unless there are very clear signals in an appropriate social context, why risk it? The chance of something good coming from it is low, and the chance of something bad happening is high. Women are free to approach men. They don't though, generally speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 08:26 AM
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This notion of smelling good... you speak like this is some sort of objective thing. Most people lather themselves with toxic, artificial chemicals. I don't know about you, but I don't find it smells good. I find it more repulsive than attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 04:17 PM
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There is an alternative path. Where you do things for yourself instead of other people. I think it's a much more sustainable path. And I think one will also generally get better results. One may be able to attract more women or men by doing things like what you describe, but are those the type of people that you want to attract? Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 04:13 PM
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Why would one want friendships with normies, especially if you refer to them as that? I understand you find that appealing, but I don't know why that is appealing in an objective sense. It seems a little incongruent to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 04:02 PM
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There was actually an interesting video about this, where a woman was physically intimate with her partner for 30 says. She noted a positive change in his behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 04:00 PM
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Negotiate. It's a t.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 03:38 PM
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I would like to see more women shed this socially conditioned and imposed burden. I watched a video by a young girl who had so much work done she couldn't raise her eyebrows: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qF7J1IvMQYo I'm sure someone here will say it's fake, or AI, or something, because it's on YouTube, because people here keep telling me "social media isn't reality." I digress. We can choose to perpetuate the matrix, or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 03:37 PM
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Most of which is an unsustainable basis for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 03:29 PM
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Someone who describes themselves as a "proud woman hater" defending exploitation and inequality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 02:17 PM
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Fancy that, class consciousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 07:32 AM
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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. And you did not understand my point about proof. How you use that word calls into question your original statement. There were also some other issues with your statement, but that isn't my focus here. It is relevant though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 02:49 PM
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What did you hope answering the question would accomplish if not change minds and convince people?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 02:31 PM
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No, I'm not familiar with the research, which is why I asked you for your best sources. You did not provide any. I think a little more holistically than most people. You talk about the negative effects of porn, but not capitalism, the system it operates in. And what porn? There are different types. Are all of them harmful? Equally? In what context? And what are the harmful effects of how our current society approaches relationships? Community? What are the harmful effects of isolation? And the i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:59 PM
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No. That's also not how proof works.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 12:33 PM
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Why do you associate skill or ability with experience? In my experience, skill has little to do with experience. At many stages of my life, in many areas, I've dealt with people who had significantly less experience than me, but were less skilled. People like this are the norm, not the exception. In other words, you're not looking for an amount of experience. You're looking for the traits that give rise to skill.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 11:02 AM
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it's possible for someone to be inexperienced and also have better skills than someone with less experience. Experience is not the only way to learn, nor the only relevant factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 10:57 AM
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