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Free For All Discussionoperation-spot/r/AllPillDebate13/07/23 06:17 PM
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operation-spot/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 08:00 PM
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Can you give an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 11:37 PM
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Why would I pretend to be something I don't want to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 11:37 PM
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Don't make a comparison because that will make him think he's better than you but a simple "you're hot" or "I like your _____" will do the trick.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 11:36 PM
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Y'all are still centering women and can't figure out why you haven't been liberated from patriarchal male expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 11:28 PM
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So you really think parents love their male children less?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 11:27 PM
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Value to who? There might be some inherent value to a man who's attracted to a woman's body but even that is doing something for him sexually. Nothing is given without an exchange of some kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 11:24 PM
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I'm not sure it should be called masculine performance when it's the same traits I would expect of myself. I am not performing masculinity by making money and being capable so I don't think it's an undue burden for men only.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 11:20 PM
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Cool, and there are Ukranian women on the front lines getting blown up right alongside their fellow soldiers while there's a Ukranian man dodging the draft. I'll never fault someone for not wanting to go to war because it's human instinct to protect yourself and avoid conflict. What I won't do is pretend that women are uniquely worse than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 11:16 PM
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I said if you benefit from an elaborate living space you are also obligated to contribute to it. If you truly don't like an elaborate lifestyle than you're with the wrong woman and cleaning schedules are the least of your concerns.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:49 AM
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What's rule 6? I've personally never said that beauty doesn't matter or that everyone has the same opportunities in life so I don't see your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:45 AM
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Well yes because his level of attractiveness hasn't changed. It doesn't matter who the woman is, it matters who he is. Also, men define their level as what they're attracted to. How many of these men are saying that the dreaded fat single mother is on their level?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:44 AM
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You've proven that your "generosity" has strings attached. I don't say that as a gotcha because I'd do the same but it does show that the "respect" you say you have is conditional. If she were contributing money you can never dispute the value she adds to your life but in the way that contributing childcare can be. Does she have full access to all your accounts? Does she have to ask before buying expensive things for herself? Are her self care rituals prioritized when times get tough?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:41 AM
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They don't have to be but that's what's required if you want your spouse to be the sole breadwinner while you don't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:35 AM
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There's a difference between a man being gainfully employed and being a provider especially when the woman is still working.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:34 AM
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Why are you so appalled that she dates within her social class because that's who she's around? Most women aren't interested in dating staff so it's not absurd that she wouldn't consider those men to be viable partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:30 AM
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It wouldn't work because the fantasy was being so rich that every problem is solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:27 AM
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Men prefer that women have no life experience so that they can seem more impressive in comparison. If a woman has gone through something so harrowing that it's left a scar it's less likely that she'll be impressed by a man who's played it safe his whole life. Men aren't reading 50 shades because the love interest isn't a woman. They do watch plenty of porn with similar plots of an extremely desirable person choosing someone average and going crazy for them so it's really not that different. I th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:26 AM
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Are you talking about women from turbulent low income backgrounds or a typical corporate woman who went to college?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:18 AM
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That's why OPs should define the words they're using in the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:17 AM
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Some women want a safe life and don't consider it boring or settling but instead as fulfilling everything she wanted in a partner. This black and white thinking will make y'all ruin good things if they happen to come into your lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:16 AM
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Thank you for sharing your perspective because I think some men here think women relish in violence when the majority would be terrified of their partner after seeing them hurt someone. The general public doesn't see violence in their everyday lives and that's a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:14 AM
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You may not be that genre of man and that's okay. With that said, being decisive in important moments is the definition of being assertive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:12 AM
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Why are you talking about a novel from so long ago when more recent romantic novels, films, and TV shows use very different tropes because the audience is significantly different?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:09 AM
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Again, your chances would be significantly higher if you were more attractive but since you're complaining I don't think that's the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:06 AM
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If you were more attractive would you see a disparity? All of the "privileges" you say women get due to gender are truly a function of desirability and likability. If you were those things you wouldn't feel like you were being denied something because you'd be enjoying your life. You have vagina envy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:04 AM
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How is it not applicable when a draft would only be needed if most of the standing army died? Right now, women are a part of that standing army so it matters whether or not they get promoted when they have earned it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:02 AM
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Men make around the same amount especially considering some aren't pursuing higher education. Women have different reproductive rights because we have different reproductive organs. Anyone with strong family ties can have an advantage in court but it depends on the crime. I'd also add that the biggest advantages are having a good lawyer and race. Right now, no one is required to die for the US so let's not do hypotheticals. What "accommodations" do you see as only benefiting women? Women are los…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:00 AM
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I personally don't think it's a privilege to have to be the only way for your family to survive or to work for the foreseeable future but a lot of men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:13 PM
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You too could have access to that "privilege" if a woman thought it was worth it to choose you. Your lack of "privilege" is most likely due to looks at that's okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:01 PM
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Do you really think SAHMs are respected in a meaningful way when they have no accomplishments other than pushing out a baby which any woman can do? You may love your wife but do you think she's as capable as you? If you were mad at her would you respect her enough to not limit her access to resources? If you found someone new would you believe that she had earned access to half of the assests acquired through your labor?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:59 PM
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Exactly. There are women who are actively being prevented from achieving higher ranks despite their honorable service and achievements. He should be mad at trump, kegsbreath, and christian nationalism rather than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:56 PM
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I think about this sometimes and I do think I'd be okay with being a soldier but that the country would benefit more from me being in a more intelligence focused role based on my personal traits and education. When I was concerned about paying for college I was heavily considering enlisting or going ROTC but thankfully I found another way. It would never be my first choice to go to war but I always believe that I will succeed at whatever I do so I'm sure I'd make the most of it. I would like to …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:54 PM
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Her wedding dress looked terrible lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:42 PM
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You're allowed to yearn but some folks think they should be able to walk on to the Olympic team when they're eligible for a junior college team at best. You can want more while also acknowledging your limitations. In this context, unsuccessful men are essentially trying to petition the Olympic board to let them in and getting upset that they aren't receiving a response.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:41 PM
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The thing that's considered entitled is thinking he should even have a chance to be on the stage. Imagine a random person thinking Michael Jackson should invite them on stage just because they are there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:37 PM
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Being awkward could be considered a moral or social failing to some. No one's saying they need to be burned at the stake simply for being awkward but it makes sense why they're in the situation they're in.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:35 PM
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Verbalizing anything is when any behavior can be considered entitled by the recipient. That's the risk everyone takes when making their desires known.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:28 PM
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If a man knows his unattractive or not successful why would he expect the same outcome? It's not surprising that these men are envious but even they know it's completely understandable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:25 PM
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Your whole point was that the world thinks women are morally perfect and now agree that its not so why not rescind your argument. Even in your original post you gave the example of a woman killing her abuser how is that not a noble motive? It's a real life David vs Goliath and in a world where women are often killed by their abusers, it stands out. I also disagree with your assumption that women think there are no female criminals when many have had negative experiences with women as well. Pleas…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:11 AM
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It applies to all men but it especially applies to men women aren't attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:43 AM
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Then you should edit the post because there's a difference between "accepting" and "supporting".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:38 AM
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So many true crime series are focused on the heinous things women have done so I don't think the general public won't accept women doing a violent crime. The most recent one I can think of is the one where the lady fakes a pregnancy, cuts a baby out of another women, leaves her to bleed out, and tries to pass off the baby as her own while also committing financial fraud. If that's not bad I don't know what is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:36 AM
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There will always be someone who justify selfish behavior regardless of gender so I'm not sure why you're acting like women are different than any other human. It sounds like you're upset that women want to decanter men and see it as insufferable rather thsn self preservation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:14 AM
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Men want to cater to women because so they desperately want sex according to them so you should be blaming men for the lack of equality in this world.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:10 AM
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Is a man who wants sex not also being narcissistic and self centered especially if he's willing to lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:07 AM
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Attention from men as a collective, especially unattractive men, is essentially meaningless. Male attention is given so freely that it ends up having no value.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:02 AM
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I don't dislike anyone on this sub because I don't remember names. One exception is the barely moral guy but no one other than him.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:56 PM
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I didn't even realize it was the stay at home dad guy who thinks he'll be chosen by a rich woman who will gladly take care of him even though he's not attractive. Lowkey delusional lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:37 PM
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Are you basically saying anal sex is better than vaginal intercorse? It's okay to be gay or prefer trans women but only one person can address the problem of premature ejaculation and it's the person with the penis. Also what do you mean by "proper female ejaculation"?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:32 PM
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My point is that hoes aren't ineligible for the type of care that is typically reserved only for women who preform femininity in a way that appeals to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:54 AM
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I think it's okay to not totally align with expectations so I certainly don't think everyone needs to adhere to gender roles. My point is that it's uncomfortable to be the odd one out and most people choose comfort over being their true self and that's completely understandable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:33 AM
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It's not a rebellion per se but when men seem to expect women to change themselves even when their lives are fine, it becomes one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:15 AM
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What are you asking them about because most left leaning people love to debate and go in to the extreme depth on things. Calm is not a good measure because if someone is associating with conservatism they most likely aren't the target of government control and violence. It's never that serious to them because they don't feel threatened in any way even though they should.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:06 AM
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I saw a video talking about how clavicular is the first male to male trans person. The surgeries he's getting are essentially gender affirming care and he's so focused on his appearance that he doesn't value the opinions of women which he claims to be attracted to. It seems like nowadays, looking pretty matters more than any future children because it would require not focusing on the self. Just to be clear, there's nothing wrong with not wanting to have children and focusing on yourself is a va…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:02 AM
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Exactly. There will always be a hierarchy even if it's not based on gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:57 AM
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Gender norms aren't enforced in a meaningful way even though adhering to them provides more benefits than not. You could say the enforcement is the potential benefit but if someone is truly non conformist that wouldn't be a problem. Right now a man can wear a dress or stay home to raise children but he won't be viewed in the same category as a man who is a breadwinner and I think that's fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:56 AM
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Even within same sex relationships there is often one partner that is more masculine or feminine than the other. This shows that humans still seek polarity even when their attraction is to people of the same gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:51 AM
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Neutrality is based on the context and if the context is still sexual dimorphism how much could truly change?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:50 AM
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If men decide to live in a more decorated environment they should understand that there is more cleaning required. He doesn't get to enjoy the benefits of a well decorated environment while not contributing to it in a meaningful way. If that's not something they want to do they shouldn't move in with their partner. The customer who's shopping for themselves doesn't get paid because they haven't done a service for anyone. If a wife is shopping for the entire family she's providing a service which…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:47 AM
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You didn't make a moral argument, you just disagreed with the characterization of lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:43 AM
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If a man is willing to be the breadwinner it's a traditional relationship regardless of who the woman is. It's no different than a man who participated in hookup culture wanting a woman who doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:39 AM
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Do you think expectations changed for you once you were better able to pass? Why do you choose to align with TRP rather than defining your own sense of masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:37 AM
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It's something women, particularly black intersectional feminists talk about. I highly recommend these videos as a starting point: https://youtu.be/JJ8vpENM37M?si=sV8Ng7BazQIEwiPX https://youtu.be/WnRiioWaQ-U?si=cd8FA6U10TFig6se https://youtu.be/FnACzwV7Mwc?si=aFJx-vREIe0Nf2Kl https://youtu.be/hNV-o5rJ42o?si=XsftK3HgSz76ODmI There are a lot more but these are the ones I could quickly find. I've watched all of them and found them very informative.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:46 PM
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At least in my environment, women handle business to the point that there's nothing she could ask a man to do that she hasn't already solved herself. My definition of a burden is consistently needing help and a lack of problem solving skills so the women I'm around don't meet that definition. It's okay if you don't want to answer this but would you say that you're able to pass?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:40 PM
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They have the same tools as women and aren't using those tools to be more impressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:29 PM
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Men say that's all they care about and say that things like career success don't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:27 PM
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Then obviously a LTB is out of your league. Most men are attracted to the same types of women so if you are looking at the same women chads are you're in the wrong place.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:26 PM
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So are men as long as sex is involved so what's the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:25 PM
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What they won't admit is that their preferences don't represent the average woman or that they might be less than average. Most people endure abuse in some way whether that's from work, family, or friends. It always has to reach a certain point for someone to make a change and it's unfortunate that it has to be extreme in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:19 PM
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It's absolutely problematic but it happens everyday. If y'all genuinely want to know what's happening that's the "secret" but it's not surprise to the general public.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:17 PM
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That's exactly what desirability is. The definition of a better partner differs based on the person. For some women, a man who's rich is a better partner than a poor man with good morals and there's nothing anyone can do about that. If you're that poor man with good morals it doesn't make sense to be hung up on the decisions of someone who doesn't value morals. You can't make someone value what you bring to the table but you can surround yourself with people who value the things you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:16 PM
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It's not a green flag but it is a measure of social desirability. Only religious people think life is a moral meritocracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:12 PM
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The easiest way to bring value is to be pretty. In that case, your beauty is already benefiting the other person just by being around you. Without it, signaling potential value is more difficult but is possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:11 PM
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If someone is properly measuring their desirability it will be obvious why they have the amount of success they do. Maybe what's needed is helping men learn how desirability is actually measured rather than how the red pill measures it or whatever falsehood they grew up with. Desirability is a hierarchy and isn't based solely on someone's personal strengths. Most people will end up in a relationship even if they belive they deserve better.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:09 PM
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Do you think part of the problem might be that you were also raised as a woman so you didn't feel as fulfilled by the traditional male role they were expecting? From what I see, a lot of cis men enjoy feeling needed and don't see certain things as a burden.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:06 PM
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They must be traditional in some way if they are open to that relationship structure. They may not present in the way you think a kept woman should but they might be tradicional in mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:02 PM
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Exactly which is why more women are choosing to work rather than be at the mercy of their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:55 PM
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At a certain point it becomes cosplay in an attempt to reaffirm the man's sense of masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:53 PM
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If you live with someone who has higher cleaning standards whether it's a roommate or partner, the best way to keep the peace is to clean more than you personally would. If your partner can't function when the house is a certain way why wouldn't their discomfort be reason enough to change your actions rather than resenting their needs?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:50 PM
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Why would she yell at a random housewife simply because she has more financial knowledge in her household? If you belive that the person cooking should have final say on food then men who are upset that women buy groceries should start cooking. You're creating a problem when their isnt one. How is it a major theory that the housewife of someone making less is receiving less benefits for doing the same labor? Couples aren't competing with each other so I don't see your point about a free market. …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:44 PM
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Men say that they're happy to live in a dungeon so decorating isn't something men are being prevented from doing. They also say that they have no problem eating flavorless foods especially for bulking so I don't think that's something they have a particular opinon on in most cases. In this economy, purchasing decisions are extremely serious so it's not a matter of picking the firsg thing you come across, it requires research to ensure that you're getting the best value for your money. If you had…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:32 PM
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Why not pay for it if that's all that matters to you and you aren't succeeding in the traditional way?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:41 PM
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When a lot of individual men allow and enjoy jealousy from women it creates the cultural acceptance that you're upset about. I also think that most people have experience with men quickly going from liking a photo to walking away from their family. On the other hand women routinely get attention and propositions yet rarely accept when in a relationship. Especially considering that men see basic behavior as sexually charged, the accusations never play out making people less likely to believe them…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:40 PM
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Men engage with completely innocuous and appropriate content in a sexual and inappropriate way. They can jack off to the photo of a girl eating ice cream so the issue is how he responds to arousal rather than the actions of a random woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:33 PM
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I think that when a man is attracted to woman (which is very often), anything she does will be seen as sexual. Knowing that, it's futile to attempt to control the reactions of a random man. The thing that matters is whether or not the woman explicitly rejects any man who expreses interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:31 PM
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When I think of rejecting someone based on their family dynamics it has more to do with the amount and type of drama than a specific structure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:59 PM
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You as a man wouldn't notice because women rarely talk to men they don't know in the first place. The difference is internal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:53 PM
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I'm looking at the tag you have under your username which is "no pilled femboy". I didn't look through your profile to find that, it was plainly visible. What about my statement do you disagree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:10 PM
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You said "so if your genes are bad, they would likely get your bad genes" so I'm not putting words in your mouth unless you're referring to a different part of my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:02 PM
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If a man is attracted to women who don't look like me the problem will show up in his previous relationships. In that case the porn is just a symptom.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:00 PM
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I heard someone say that it's because there's very few logical reasons for strangers to be near each other especially alone. It definitely goes too far though and for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:58 PM
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Most smut is not "rape and violence" but it is a subset, same as porn. If you're not looking for that type of smut, you won't find it and that's the case for most women. Most scenarios are positive but are obviously with traditionally attractive men which is what seems to really upset men. I actually iust read a really nice mando x reader series where the whole premise is that the reader is grougu's babysitter, ends up being attracted to mando, and starting a family together. Obviously it involv…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:55 PM
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They still block even slightly sexual keywords which is ridiculous
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:50 PM
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Why are you assuming that her genes are "bad" in some way? She said that her reasoning for choosing an actual sperm donor rather than just having unprotected sex and never telling the father was to avoid drama, not to produce a super human as you described. What do you mean when you call yourself a femboy?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:48 PM
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If women have children with attractive men won't that make their sons attractive enough to not become an incel?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:45 PM
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If he does those things and it doesn't work it only proves that those attributes weren't the only thing that mattered. One example of this is clavicular who has not received the type of attention he expected even after improving his physique. I'd also say that there are women that don't like players and don't want to live a life of fame therefore men without those things can also find someone. With that said, these are a completely different types of women and the one's who like players are most…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:41 PM
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If believing you need a partner elevated your life it wouldn't be so distressing to not have it. Are you telling me that you'd happily be with an obese woman but even they don't want you? If not, the issue isn't a lack of access to relationships, it's not being eligible for the relationship you want. It's okay to mourn the life you didn't have but there's no use in lamenting about it forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:39 PM
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If I brought a high-school drop out home to my family where most have PhDs or master's degrees it would definitely be a surprise to everyone because they would never imagine that I'd accept someone like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:36 PM
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So that might explain why you belive that relationship structure is the norm. In my environment women value education and don't intend on being stay at home moms meaning they have a completely different strategy than a woman looking for a man to finance her entire life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:34 PM
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Men are the one's who see it as proof of love, not women or the general public. If a man enjoys a woman acting jealous it's unlikely that he'd ever ask her to stop. That decision is on him, not women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:29 PM
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It's okay for single people to be sexual or show off but it's not okay for a man in the relationship to indulge in that because he's the one who made a vow.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:27 PM
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Why attribute things to god when it's just a logical human decision? You don't have to do anything in life and believing that you must follow a predetermined path actually limits you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:22 PM
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I can't imagine bringing someone home that my family wouldn't be impressed by. It would reflect poorly on me and be embarrassing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:20 PM
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To who? Certainly not the women who didn't swipe on him or the countless men who also acknowledge that he's average at best especially for his location.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:18 PM
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If he's not that guy he shouldn't expect that strategy to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:16 PM
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And who are your female relatives in relationships with?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:13 PM
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If his biggest concern in life is that he's not being chosen for hookups I'd argue that he's already weak and dependent on women. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result so if one strategy isn't working, try something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:10 PM
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Exactly. Like the government barely pays for baby formula and these men think they should pay for a test to quell his own fears. It's truly absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:02 PM
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Find a non biased or liberal source saying this because a conservative news company is only going to show you what affirms your world view.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:10 PM
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If you ask women on the street what they think about male domestic violence shelters they would have no problem with it. The only women who make it a big deal are radical feminists which is a branch of feminism that holds more extreme views including anti trans rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:09 PM
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The problem might be that there aren't better men because there aren't better people. There will always be someone willing to lie or throw others under the bus for their own gain. There will always be someone who just does not care enough about others that they'll do objectively bad things without a second thought. Honestly, I'm not sure what would help but it's clear how we got to this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:07 PM
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The only reason he "likes" her is because he's attracted to her and there's a chance for a relationship. The way men treat ugly women or those who have rejected them is how they truly feel about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:00 PM
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The goal of these people is to make it so the only path that exists for a woman is to be at home alone with babies she can't take of. What we're seeing is the first step on this terrible path that won't end well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:54 PM
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You don't actually know these women's reasons for showing interest but it's more likely that it was for money and safety rather than love. That's the trade off and there's no reason to act like that's not the case. Caution isn't going to change the equation especially when you specifically went there to make your money go further.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:24 PM
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I've seen people calling him a Nice Guy(tm) and saying that his mindset is influenced by incel beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:14 PM
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I actually watched this video and it was very nuanced. The main point was that especially for Serena, the outfits alone wouldn't be considered pandering but that when the rest of your content is about whether or not a man likes you, staying even when he's objectively bad, and being sexual in a way that appeals to men, you're ultimately male centered. The problem is women being male centered at the expense of their dignity and the progress made by feminism. Even though the creator is being slight…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:11 PM
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Survival matters more than love especially when someone has limited options. Plenty of people grow to love their cage but it's still a cage. To me, gold digging requires more money than most men have so a better way to describe the arrangement would be strategic and in line with traditional roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:59 PM
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Wellness and peace have never been valued under capitalism no matter who does it. When it's a woman focused on wellness it's viewed through the lens of femininity, re framming weakness as softness but it's still mocked and not valued. When a man focuses on wellness it's also seen as weak but through the lens of masculinity it's used as evidence of not being manly. If a man's weakness were viewed through the lens of femininity in the way it is for women it would almost be worse since most of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:55 PM
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It's different when the men in question would gladly accept them since the problem is only that she doesn't like what she sees not that he doesn't want her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:49 PM
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It shouldn't matter what a woman would seek out (especially since women rarely do that) if a man is truly as desperate as he claims. If a woman thinks she deserves better you aren't looking low enough because there are still women you think you're better than. Just to be clear, I mean men with thus complaint when I say you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:46 PM
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It's sound military strategy even if it's not logical on paper. Drafting women is seen as an absolute last resort even though there are capable women who enlist voluntarily. Having a draft in the first place shows an extreme level of desperation and including women would mean that there aren't enough men. Despite history showing that women are valuable contributors to the war effort people still believe that a country's strength is in the amount of men able to fight. For a country relying on opt…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:41 PM
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When the woman above said that she wouldn't want to be with a man who cares about body count you said that such a man doesn't exist. I said that those men do in fact exist. A fixation or concern about past partners very easily becomes neurotic and I believe that's the case for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:26 PM
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They may not say that women are as violent as men but they'll disagree with the argument that it's logical to be more wary of men because of the statistical evidence of their violence as a group. Men are victims of violence but their perpetrators are also men. It's simply not true that men are likely to be killed by their partners in domestic violence situations so the point has not been disproven.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:50 PM
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If women weren't "winning" in some regard men wouldn't be so angry and jealous. Regardless, when I say leverage I mean the ability to enter a relationship despite percived shortcomings. An average man might say that a fat woman with acne is their looksmatch. If she were to enter a slightly chunky man it will have been through the leverage of female desirability even though fatness is not considered a positive in most cases. Everyone has difficulties with dating, even attractive and desirable peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:42 PM
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I don't think it's fair but from a military strategy and perception standpoint I understand why those men are being drafted before women. Did you have a chance to look at my comment to the other reply to respond to my other points?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:28 PM
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It's something men say they care about and is often associated with femininity so I'd say it makes women more attractive in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:23 PM
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I'd totally be excited to have kids if I could just be the bad, mentally checked out husband who does a few things right and is rewarded for that. Unfortunately I would have to carry a child for 9 months, endure pregnancy related illness including autoimmune disorders which run in my family, a possibly long or traumatic labor experience, breastfeeding or pumping, and being criticized for going back to work whether it's soon after giving birth or not. The definition of a good mother is never endi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:02 AM
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Grilling has been my cheat code because it's extremely fast as well as slow cooker recipes because you just dump everything in.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:57 AM
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They seem to think that a thin woman is their looksmatch so I'd have to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:54 AM
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Difficulties in dating are completly separate from desirability. It is undeniable that most men are attracted to most women meaning women are not incorrect for realizing that they can leverage that desirability even if on paper it seems impossible for one reason or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:52 AM
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I made a longer response for the other commenter but here is part of my reply: In regards to sending men with mental health issues into combat I'd say it's not significantly different than what the US military does in terms of waivers and don't ask don't tell for medical records. You would be surprised how many US soldiers struggle with their mental health yet are still considered fit to serve as long as there hasn't been a major incident. According to Dmytro Lubinets, the Ukrainian parliament's…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:43 AM
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I personally never claim to be an empath even if others might so don't asign that rhetoric to me. My response is a bit long but I hope you read and respond to it. In regards to sending men with mental health issues into combat I'd say it's not significantly different than what the US military does in terms of waivers and don't ask don't tell for medical records. You would be surprised how many US soldiers struggle with their mental health yet are still considered fit to serve as long as there ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:41 AM
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You're the one complaining so you're the one getting the advice. No matter what a woman does, it's absurd to be worried about what people in a higher bracket than you are doing because you have no chance with those women anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:55 AM
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If a woman has to work she's no longer a stay at home mom, she's a working mom. I can only speak for myself but I'll be dammed before I let a man be laid out in my house that I pay for while I work all day. Hopefully you find your dream woman and she accepts this dynamic you want but it couldn't be me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:48 AM
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Ovulation and overall energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:43 AM
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What's unrealistic about wanting to be with someone who enthusiastic about the things you like?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:42 AM
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You're going to need to add a photo or link. If you've liked nails your whole life the slight changes you might have to make to do common tasks aren't a big deal to an insurmountable degree. My point is that if someone has long nails you can bet that they don't do any hard physical labor in the same way you wouldn't expect someone in designer shoes and clothes to be ready for physical labor. It's fine if you don't like long nails but the fact that women wear them anyway should show you that your…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:09 AM
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What did you expect her to say?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 11:08 PM
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Men, like every human do things that benefit them. Men belive that restricting women's sexuality benefits them which is why they promote the idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 11:06 PM
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Contrary to popular belief, not every man has neurotic hangups about a woman's sexual experiences because they believe they will be better than any past partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:53 PM
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Are you planning on never leaving your home town? Unless you fall victim to revenge porn there's no way for a man to actually know which is why they try to scare you into believing that there will be consequences. Don't let a man's fears control what you do with your own life or believe that a husband is what will validate you. Good luck
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:51 PM
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How could you be a stay at home father with only half custody? Your reasons for moving to Missouri honestly sound a bit ghetto but more power to you and good luck to any woman that makes the mistake of staying pregnant by you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:47 PM
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You're still focused on ego and not the actual child so your focus on custody is selfish and not based in genuine care for your own (potential) child since this isn't even an actual issue for you at this point in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:44 PM
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What's the point of arranging custody and child support outside of court when men rarely uphold their end of the agreement even under threat of garnished wages and jail? She's taking a weapon away from the man because if she won't do everything to get custody he has no leverage. Without leverage a man has no control.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:39 PM
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If a man wants a woman to stay he'll commit but if he thinks she either won't leave or that he can easily find someone else he won't. If a man isn't enthusiastic about commitment there's nothing to fight for.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:35 PM
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I don't want to contort myself into being someone's fantasy when I can never keep up that facade. If my personal growth is appealing to someone that's fine but beyond that, it's not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:34 PM
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Men are attracted to anything and their attraction has no actual value. A man wanting to jerk off to you won't make him respect or love you any more than the next girl or make him never cheat and leave. If attraction doesn't provide a benefit in those ways what is it really worth?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:29 PM
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I think different men like different things and there's no reason for me to focus on the men who don't like me as I present myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:27 PM
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If I have a steady amount of interest from the men I want why would I change my strategy? Who I am is already attractive so there's not much else that would need to be done.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:23 PM
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I know men say they want to have sex as soon as possible but if that's not what I want I wouldn't change my actions or beliefs to be more like his ideal fantasy even if that means "missing out" on a potential relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:21 PM
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Running from the problems and harm you cause will never be seen as honorable regardless of gender. He wanted to die because he couldn't stand having his fantasy of Niki loving him being broken while she wanted to die to escape torment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:16 PM
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Bear is not the person/character you should align yourself with if your genuine concern is for autistic men. What you're talking about in regards to autism is real but the character's actions were due to selfishness and weakness rather than a neurodevelopmental disability.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:13 PM
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In what ways would you say he showed strength in the movie? He didn't have the guts to ask her out, cancel the wish, or fulfill her desire to die due to the trauma he put her through to sustain his fantasy. No one, including men who say they like "feminine women" actually likes weakness. What they like is a woman performing need for him not her genuinely being incapable of making decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:12 PM
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If you want to talk about the military the example I'd use is health. If a soldier sees that he's developing trench foot and just sits there in silence he's actually doing more harm than good for both his unit and his long term health. Having maturity is knowing when to escalate problems rather than just sitting with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:56 PM
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A less attractive woman is their looksmatch because she's lacking in the feminine quality of looks in the same way that he's lacking in the masculine quality of height. This isn't to say that all women must be pretty or that all men must be tall but it does speak to the ideals. A truly average woman is not dating a male model so I wouldn't worry about it so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:51 PM
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If you aren't the most attractive men you shouldn't concern yourself with what the most attractive women are doing and should instead focus on those at a similar level as you in terms of looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:48 PM
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I disagree. I like moderately long nails with cool designs and I've been that way since I was a kid well before puberty. I always had nail polish and even got in trouble with the nuns at my school. I also always fought with my violin teacher about having my nails long. My point is, for women who like nails, what you're considering "weird patterns" is actually art and the length is for fun or potentially a way of showing class.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:46 PM
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Ariana is not comparable to the average woman due to her life experiences (and potential trauma) of being a child star.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 08:38 PM
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I don't think any American including maga thinks that's something to be proud of.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 08:37 PM
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So you do want to revoke women's freedoms. It's even worse that you expect to be applauded for what you don't decide to do. Honestly I don't think these so called less desirable men have the wherewithal to do even half of what you're alluding to. I think that desirable men have no problem with women's freedoms and want those freedoms for their daughters and I don't think undesirable men have the gall to attempt to intimidate those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:15 PM
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Using my anesthesia example, no one remembers what happened while they were under so would you say they didn't actually have something done to them especially when there's physical evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:01 PM
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How is the acknowledgement that you allegedly only want different than what you're calling a "half backed attempt to avert their revolt"? Very few people are ever acknowledged for how they benefit society so why would undesirable men be any different? Also, the things that benefit society help everyone who's a part of it and not just women so let's not act as if women are separate in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:59 PM
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Most veterans so they'd rather people didn't thank them for their service if they aren't going to actually do anything to help them which is a sentiment I see echoed by a lot of men. The things men do for a paycheck such as blue collar work is not done out of some sort of altruism or care that deserves some sort of applause, it's for money and that's okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:43 PM
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I'm not here to debate religion but as an atheist I've always belived that mary was already pregnant and to prevent social shaming god said that it was his son and that despite this she was still eligible for marriage and dignity. The biological necessity of sperm doesn't take away from the absolute marvel that is birth which no biological male is capable of.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:40 PM
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You asked society to "acknowledge how [men] are paying a very high price to facilitate women's newfound freedom". Are you saying that you want acknowledgement with absolutely no changes? If not, you do in fact want to oppose women's freedoms in some way even if you consider it minor.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:37 PM
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I see. When talking about colonization the word rape often comes up even outside of the context of sex or abuse. To rape is to take something that is not yours by force. By making that wish I would say bear took away nikki's agency that is hers alone. Using that framing he raped her agency and autonomy from her before they even "had sex".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:25 PM
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If I'm unconscious and a doctor "has sex" with my body that is in fact rape even if I'm technically still a resident in my own body. Depending on the anesthesia, your mind can be slightly muddled byt your own, unable to move your body, and be unable to speak which is what I'd argue happened to Nikki. Based on that, Nikki was raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:20 PM
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I think that taking away someone's autonomy is evil. I agree that his actions are the final manifestation of that mindset but I believe any mindset can easily lead to evil actions. He didn't keep her trapped because he was weak, he kept her trapped because he valued his desires and ego over her autonomy. Insecure and desprate people can do evil things and it's okay to acknowledge that while still understanding how they came to be that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:16 PM
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How is he not fully evil? Every villain has a tragic backstory or narrative they believe and bear is no different.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:14 PM
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I think we agree that the wish itself wasn't crazy but his actions or lack thereof when he became aware her agency being taken away was the problem. Rape is a loss of agency and I believe they had sex (if we can even call it that) while she was under the effects of the wish. Part of his lack of consideration of her autonomy extended to his disregard of consent as shown through rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:12 PM
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She wasn't crazy about him, she literally wanted to die rather than have her autonomy taken away. She also explicitly said no so it is in fact rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:46 PM
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If you wanted something from someone and they screamed no and asked you to kill them you'd still go ahead with it? Idk man, you're making yourself look bad. He knew that she didn't have her autonomy and didn't care because he valued his desire over her agency. It's fine to wish for things but it's something else entirely to knowingly torture someone. All rape is about power and with the wish, that's how bear used his power. By definition, that is malicious and without consent, it is rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:45 PM
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I don't think it's demonizing men but it is pointing out the most extreme way their views can manifest. He sees himself as a perpetual victim and refuses to acknowledge how he's causing harm. In real life this should show men that you can't force someone into being your fantasy and that autonomy matters yet I don't think that's what most men will take away. Men aren't "paying a price" they just aren't succeeding under new rules and conditions. Why you wouldn't want a fellow human to be free is b…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:42 PM
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How is someone who is being controlled by a spell not a victim when the perpetrator knowingly did it to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:38 PM
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How is it not villainous behavior to knowingly force someone into a non consensual relationship? The way you've described him is exactly how he views himself, as a victim. His life wasn't terrible just because a girl didn't like him and it's not like he had no one else interested in him. We know how men end up with this mindset but that doesn't excuse their actions or his. He didn't just make the wish, he heard her plead for death and made it about himself and his desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:37 PM
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What is sympathetic about a man knowingly forcing someone to be in a relationship with him? Something is pathologically wrong with anyone who's okay with treating another human being like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:33 PM
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If you don't understand how using a spell to force someone who keeps telling you they don't want to be in a relationship with you is rape you're beyond help.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:31 PM
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It's showing that he was desirable to someone but would rather use a spell to force a more attractive woman to be with him for his own ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:29 PM
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That describes most incels and black pulled men. Their main gripe is that their supposed looksmatch has more options than them and won't choose them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:54 AM
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Women possibly making bad choices has nothing to do with jealousy. If you weren't able to have sex with women would you be jealous of the ease with which women are able to have casual sex and be desired?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:49 AM
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It's fine to want a paternity test but it's something you should have done on your own rather than involving your partner and upsetting them after a major medical event and life change. I don't understand why y'all want women to be happy about being asked to do a paternity test when you can easily go behind their backs to verify things. I also don't think people need to be having unprotected sex with people they aren't in a long term relationship with but that's a whole other conversation. If yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:41 AM
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Physical strength doesn't meaningfully translate to social power or money so is it really an advantage? More and more women are in stem and less men are going to college so your theory doesn't hold. Trades do make money but they also severely damage the body and most don't advance to being a master electrician for example. Also, women are entering the trades and realizing it's not nearly as difficult as folks have made it seem. If men can't succeed without the subjection of women they obviously …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:47 PM
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If you've been having unprotected sex the idea of a woman becoming pregnant shouldn't be such a surprise that your first assumption is that your partner cheated on you and is lying about something as serious as pregnancy. The way you had to protect yourself as a man was to have protected sex. What you're describing sounds like you're attempting to use paternity testing as some sort of plan b which makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:37 PM
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It sets an even worse precedent to tell your partner to their face that you think they cheated and lied to you. If going through someone's phone or getting a test done will quell any fears it's probably better to do that than inviting strife into the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:33 PM
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They seriously need to bring back crop tops for men because it was a look.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:30 PM
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Sure but if she would say yes they'd certainly ask out the fit cheerleader who wears makeup over the girl with no makeup. The normal makeup women wear will rarely be a deal breaker for a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:28 PM
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Why does it seem like even upper class women are expected to essentially be house slaves for their in laws when it seems like that type of work would be below them?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:43 PM
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Running on your period feels more like pee might be dripping and you just have to trust that your pad or tampon is absorbing everything. There's not really an element of friction especially if you aren't having cramps.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:41 PM
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That's what women have been saying for the longest.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:39 PM
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You don't think there are men who wish they could have casual sex, see women being able to access it with less barriers, and subsequently being jealous of that? You don't think there are men who are jealous of women who are as fat, ugly, or unsuccessful as them living the life they thought they'd have for themselves? Jealousy isn't inherently bad but refusing to acknowledge it can lead to disastrous consequences for everyone involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:38 PM
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Are you saying that you're freely giving that money with no conditions and would happily give her half of everything you've worked for while continuing to provide support even after a divorce?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:35 PM
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Are you jealous of the idea that women don't see you in the same way that you see them, the thought of women considering another man to be better, or that women have an option you don't have?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:33 PM
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What you've describe is jealousy and that's okay. You think that women shouldn't be able to do both because you (and most men in general) can't achieve the same. I get why y'all feel this way but again, the feeling is jealousy. Raising the bar is good and betters humanity as a whole so I'm not sure why you're presenting it as if it's a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:31 PM
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Giving birth is pretty god like if you ask me. When Athena emerges from Zeus's own head it's seen as amazing yet when a human woman pushes out a child often larger than her pelvis you somehow think it's pedestrian. I'm not saying women need to be put on a pedestal but there's no denying that it's extremely cool and as close to divinity as any human gets to experience in this lifetime.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:28 PM
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The reaction men have makes sense what we're pointing out is that what they're feeling is jealousy and not the anger they're using to mask it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:24 PM
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When men describe what they dislike about women or our actions a lot really does boil down to fear and that's okay because fear is a natural human response. When you ask a man who is adamant about sexual history and body count it's often that he feels that he's in competition with other men and that he won't measure up which is a fear. It may not apply for every man but it applies to enough that it warrants being a part of the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:22 PM
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They don't want affection from men but they do want to feel desired and receive affection in the way they see women receiving it. How is it not an extreme level of animosity for a lot of men to believe that women are choosing the wrong men by not choosing them and using that to justify any abuse that may occur? How is it not animosity for men to be so preoccupied with the idea of women having sexual experience that they still want to be with a virgin after the age of 25? What you're describing a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:19 PM
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That one example has made millions of people believers for hundreds of years.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:09 PM
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In what way is a man better than me? As a whole, women are doing better academically and are even more likely to own homes which is a major accomplishment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:04 PM
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Exactly. If these men truly had violent tendencies to take what they want they wouldn't be in the situation they're in.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:59 PM
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Exactly. Too many revel in women's suffering and want to have power over women even when they have no power over their own lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:35 PM
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The shame religion uses ends up making basic human functions feel like a crime which ultimately makes things worse. I don't think we need more shame but we do need more decorum because people say things that are inappropriate for the context and environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:32 PM
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A good haircut and legible aesthetic helps a lot and so does fitness. Without knowing what you look like I'm not sure what advice to give other tham general things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:30 PM
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LGBTQ+ people who associate with the very people who would take away their rights are called out by their community even if it's not a discourse you're a part of. If you're struggling due to looks adding on misogyny certainly won't make anything better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:26 PM
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Looks are associated with class which is the main way people are grouped by. Even though anyone from any class can be pretty, certain aesthetics are most accessible to and most common in certain classes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:14 PM
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What about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:11 PM
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Well can you put the link here so that we're all talking about the same thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:51 PM
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It's more likely that she'll see herself as god with her divine purpose being cleansing men of their evil by taking their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:51 PM
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I don't get the joke since the word "hiplet" isn't common and carries no cultural baggage. Do you have any videos of women actually reacting to this type of content?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:18 AM
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Who's the one in the top right hand corner?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:16 AM
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When men say "long term open to short" I always interpret it as him feeling that he's not attractive enough to outright say he want to hook up. Men might have some other rationale but that's how it comes across to me and most likely other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:14 AM
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My mom would always put headbands on me since my hair was short as a baby lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:12 AM
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If you watch interviews from former porn stars talking about how they ended up doing porn you'll see that many were under false impressions about how far things would go and that their objections were not accepted. You and I both know that traditional acting is not at all comparable to porn in it's nature, social stigma, or risk so keep that in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:10 AM
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When did I take away her choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:07 AM
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What do you mean by both ways? If the women aren't going out on their own without the children for an extended period of time how is it equal in any way? Inviting someone to do an activity you want to do knowing they have no interest in it is empty in it's intent. I'd also point out that the logistics of the primary caregiver being away are significantly more difficult than the secondary caregiver doing the same so with no proposed plan the man's words are again empty.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:06 AM
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I think it's easy to get annoyed by someone you're around every day as we all experienced during covid. We know that dead bedrooms aren't always about a lack of attraction and that sometimes it's about daily stress and pent up resentment. When someone has an affair they are existing outside of everyday life and tbe associated stress which is why those relationships end up failing if they are made official.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:03 AM
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I love that for y'all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:57 AM
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If the other woman knew him as much as his wife does she probably wouldn't fuck him either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:57 AM
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What acting role includes being raped on camera and then having that footage used to humiliate you for the rest of your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:55 AM
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Body bag by Monaleo or First by KenTheMan
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:54 AM
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Wasn't he involved in It Ends With Us legal saga?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:48 AM
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Most men's idea of happiness is long stretches of time away from their children. If they decide to go golfing it's not for the hour he initially says, it's for the rest of the day. They aren't trying to do things together, they just want time alone. It's valid to want that but it also places a burden on your partner who's also tired and overwhelmed.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:45 AM
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I have a ton of black heels and boots so it just depends on the material and style of the shoe.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:42 AM
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A lot of the men on here who complain say that they're autistic and below average meaning they fit that definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:40 AM
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Average is fat and with sexual experiences which are things men say they hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:37 AM
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Men don't dislike made up hair and make up or else they'd be disgusted by cheerleaders for example. An element of makeup is a signal for other women but let's not pretend men hate seeing a woman with makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:36 AM
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Don't y'all say that women keep choosing broke criminal losers so wouldn't that include the fixed up homeless man?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:34 AM
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I thought that men were equally attracted to any woman they find attractive so which is it? Y'all act like women are depriving men if they acknowledge that he's not a chad yet you see women in the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:32 AM
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They can find someone who will fuck them rather than jerking off but they certainly struggle to get commitment or be claimed publicly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:30 AM
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He gets hard looking at inanimate objects so his arousal is not indicative of some sort of moral attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:29 AM
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What's shitty about casually talking to a potential romantic interest? Whatever "power" women have over men has been willingly given so it's actually infantalizing men to say that they can't make their own decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:27 AM
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While you may be able to occasionally go out with friends are you able to spontaneously decide to go on long trips in the way a single woman with no kids would? I'm sure you like your life but can you acknowledge that children are limiting especially when you've been made the main caretaker by staying home with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:08 AM
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It sounds like they should be advocating for male birth control rather than proving that given the choice, they wouldn't financially support a child. By doing this they're affirming women's worst fears and making it more likely that she won't feel safe enough with him to have children even if they are ready on paper.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:06 AM
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After hearing her experience do you think that it's rational for some women to hear about these three separate traumatic births despite modern medicine and not want to have children at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:03 AM
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I just watched this video (https://youtu.be/f-idGLVKwzM?si=mPkUc9HbZ9r0hLCF) which talked about the "you're my bm I won" mindset and how that manifests in low income environments so let me know if it aligns with your experience or if it's off base entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:01 AM
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I wouldn't be dating the woman who was the prostitute so her life decisions don't impact me. The John has full agency and therefore accountability because he's decided to use his money based on his desire to have sex. We know that a lot of prostitutes have pimps so it is never entirely clear if the "decision" is made with no coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:51 AM
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You can do whatever you want but a woman liking sex does not mean she likes you, enjoyed sex with you, or would have engaged in any way without the monetary transaction. If the impersonal nature of prostitution is the extent of your sex life I genuinely feel sorry for you and hope things get better for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:44 AM
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It's okay to LARP certainty until it becomes reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:15 PM
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You may not have been a completely confident person but it took a level of confidence to wear fitted clothes and not worry about being made fun of.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:19 PM
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What do you mean? When a muscular man wears a tight shirt he'll get tons of compliments in the comments. Regardless, there's very few people who truly dislike a normal amount of confidence and less people that intentionally seek out people who lack confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:32 PM
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I agree that it's a fact of life but I don't think it's any more of a disadvantage than lacking in other desirable traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:27 PM
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When women choose on looks alone y'all say she's chad chasing so pick a struggle. Your either going to be chosen for your looks or your personality but to be considered for looks alone you have to reach a certain threshold. There will always be selection criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:23 PM
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Do you consider yourself and the people you surround yourself with to be competent in a way that contributes to self assurance?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:20 PM
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Are you saying that men dislike a woman who will verbalize their attraction because that's both something men seem to want and based on confidence. If men like women who show skin they are attracted to confident women even if they don't use that word. The definitions of confidence are different based on gender norms but it's still a desirable trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:17 PM
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Based on hetero normative relationship structures and gender norms it wouldn't make sense for the expectations to be the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:14 PM
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Are you saying that there's nothing about yourself that you are confident in or can identify as desirable?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:12 PM
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It's given shy people the ability to avoid some interactions further weakening their social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:11 PM
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It's not that difficult to know what you want for yourself which is the first part of confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:10 PM
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I think that one way to describe it is knowing what you want and leaving if you don't get it baded on the belief that there's more out there. Using this definition men who say they'd be with any woman, have no preferences, or will compromise on every standard aren't confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:09 PM
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Based on your personality it might be a burden but there are a lot of men who don't see it that way. For more normie women, that's the man she would prefer but there are women who aren't looking for confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:06 PM
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Women in rural areas are often not interested in having a SAHD so you wouldn't be a big fish in a small pond, you'd be the fish no one bothers catching because you don't fit the aesthetic. Paying child support is about continuing the standard of living for the child. For example, if the breadwinner paid for extracurricular activities child support would include things like that. The parent with no work experience wouldn't be expected to immediately have the same income so the child support bridg…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:53 PM
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Are you trying to be a SAHD for a woman making only 50k in a HCOL city? If so, none of this is feasible in the first place. Income determines support because if someone does not have the income to contribute there's no reason for the court to order them to do so. Alimony is not given for middle or lower class people so child support would be the only path forward. You have to ask for custody because that's the law. While it might seem like the law favors women it's actually so that mistresses ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:26 AM
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Do you change medicines after 3 months or do you just raw dog it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:42 AM
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Those nuns who have a podcast definently do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:34 AM
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People that were popular often have many friends and family members who are advocating for them and through that they're able to be heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:33 AM
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My arms are frail but I'd like to change that. Even in ballet which prioritizes clean lines, being weak is not the goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:29 AM
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I'm an atheist and I honestly don't care. I like visiting churches and understand why some people need to believe in a heaven but I can't convince myself that it's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:28 AM
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There's no way to think your way into being physically attractive to someone who simply doesn't like you. A regular visa is a dating visa if you're attractive because you'd be attractive no matter the country.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:06 AM
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If a relationship doesn't involve sex a lot of men get angry and even violent. Being in a country where you don't know anyone and have no access to money makes leaving very difficult and for some of the men who seek that relationship structure, that was the explicit goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:03 AM
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That's not what most women or feminism claim so I'm not sure why you're bringing this up. I wonder if you're considering certain behavior to be elitist because you fundamentally belive you are less than despite having no interaction to inform your opinon. Again, can you give some examples of snobbish behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:57 PM
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Responsibility to do what? To racists integration disrupted the balance of power and many thought that black people shouldn't hold their heads high in public. Nowadays we all recognize that those people were just uncomfortable with change and I would say the same might apply to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:54 PM
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If your symptoms are medication resistant it might be time to change approaches and providers. Are you taking your medicine consistently or are you stopping when you don't see results?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:42 PM
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Telling someone with chronic pain to go to a pain management doctor or look for a specialist isn't being dismissive of their pain, it's recognizing that their problem requires more expertise. Sometimes you'll always be in pain even if it's somewhat managed and there's nothing anyone can do about.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:37 PM
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If extreme punishment wasn't part of how your family reacted do you think yue shame or fear would be less for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:03 AM
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Kind of random but I just watched the new season of Outlast: The Jungle and there was a group that ended up being 4 women and 1 man. Of course he took the lead on everything but after a week of starving because he couldn't successfully hunt the women said enough was enough. Slight spoilers but the next elimination he voluntarily left and part of that group of women went on to win the whole series.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:02 AM
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I'd just assume that the jar loosened through his efforts and I just so happened to the one who was able to open it. Not every action is a power play or display.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:57 AM
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What are you considering a superiority complex or snobbish behavior? A woman rejecting or not seeking a relationship isn't snobbery, it's free will. Feminism is alive and well even if you don't like it and that's okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:53 AM
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The same could be said about the men's rights crowd.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:49 AM
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That's all you can point to? It's well known that this generation is lacking in both social skills and interactions. In regards to accusations, it's a statistical fact that most aren't false. What do you imagine empathy would look like in this context?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:49 AM
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Why are you making it about feminism when any group that is able to access their rights is seen as rude or entitled when they exercise them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:46 AM
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Also, how do you count first periods? My first few were basically brown so does it only count when it's red blood or after a certain number of confirmed cycles?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:56 AM
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Graduations are a significant event that actually marks an accomplishment. Puberty happens to everyone and isn't something to write home about but graduating high-school or college is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:55 AM
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I believe a lot of men at least passively support the subjection of women because of the conservative ideals so many want to return to. Even men who identify as liberal often believe that a relationship was always their path in life and resent women for not making that fantasy reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:52 AM
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I don't care what men do but I think knowingly entering a relationship when you've identified an incompatibility is setting yourself up for failure. There is always an option even if it's not one you want. Also ask your self if you actually can't plan a date or if it's the idea that someone else may not have to plan one that bothers you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:48 AM
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Are you being serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:48 AM
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I don't think women hate men, they just aren't going out of their way to make themselves available to men. It's also unclear how a man is supposed to contribute or what his role in a woman's life is. That lack of clarity frustrates men and is a non issue to some women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:47 AM
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They aren't ready for this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:44 AM
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I'll be dammed before I sit around and ask to be cheated on. In that case maybe there could be a compromise of less focus on penetration but inviting another person into a monogamous relationship is a terrible idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:43 AM
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Sometimes it's a bit unexpected but you just wash your hands and move on. It's not like you're having a whole conversation or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:40 AM
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I think it's okay for him to go into the women's room but he could probably announce himself and not linger when possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:38 AM
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Have you tried color corrector or concealer?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:32 AM
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What is there to dislike about your deltoids?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:31 AM
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It seems that you don't like being expected to plan the date which is obviously something she wants. The incompatibility has already shown itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:21 AM
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How can anyone provide reassurance about a situation that hasn't happened and involved a person they haven't met? In most cases, the truth is not as interesting or complex as whatever you've been imagining in your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:19 AM
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Why would women need to state their preferences when the goal is to see if a man is compatible and has the traits she wants?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:17 AM
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Who is most people in this context?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:15 AM
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Some women don't enjoy or desire an expensive lifestyle so they wouldn't be enticed to end an enjoyable relationship. Contrary to popular belief, some women do in fact prefer staying home to play video games and cuddle.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:14 AM
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I think that emotions are a good way to connect with others which is why women may feel that their efforts aren't being reciprocated when they make an emotional bid for connection and are met with a wall. Sharing emotions is what it means to do the work of a relationship so I see why men and less emotional people may annoy them. With that said, I think that sometimes women think they're so special that they can break those walls down to find an emotional person they can connect with underneath a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:51 AM
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But you didn't just say indication, you said lust and sex. I don't see why you'd expect to have sex with every person you mildly like so where's the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:45 AM
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Most men don't see it as difficult to the point of unappealing, they see it as a way to prove themselves and that's something they often enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:43 AM
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I nod at other black people in majority white spaces to show solidarity but it's certainly not romantic or sexual interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:41 AM
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Just like men, getting a woman's approval means more because a man's approval is given to anyone making it meaningless. It's like how being chosen by the military doesn't say anything about the individual but being chosen by the FBI for example gives a certain level of status.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:38 AM
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It doesn't show that they like women, it shows that they'd fuck any hole and get an ego boost when they get attention from a woman because it's less abundant.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:33 AM
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You care about the potential sexual actions of women so what's the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:31 AM
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Do you think slave masters choosing stronger slaves for their bodies cared about them as a human being? Even the things that are desired are based on what someone imagines the other person will do or can give them. It's not more noble to be imagining how a stranger would sexually pleasure you let alone involving them in that fantasy when they've shown no interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:30 AM
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Do you think being the recipient of lust is the only reason men exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:28 AM
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It's not productive for a woman to focus their attention on men and no parent would want that for their daughter.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:27 AM
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Indifference is tolerance so what's the problem? As long as women are showing dignity and basic norms what more should you expect from a stranger?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:23 AM
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Surprise, women feel the same way about a man they aren't attracted to. It's bad enough for a man to do you wrong but it's worse when an unattractive man does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:21 AM
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I'm assuming you only decided to have sex with an obese woman you weren't 100% attracted to because you had no other women interested in you so if a woman has interest from other men why would she choose a man she's at most 50% attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:19 AM
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They aren't ready for that conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:18 AM
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Exactly and that's why so many want to return back to conservatism because without having financial power to control a woman's whole life nothing about them stands out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:17 AM
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Exactly. An average looking man beating his wife is nothing to write home about but a seemingly normal pretty man is because we would never expect that from someone with everything going for them in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:09 AM
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If it was shown that he made the same amount of money she did would you have the same critique? Also, shouldn't you want women to be with men who are less average than them so that it's not only the above average men in relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:07 AM
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Isn't this proving that even a below average man is capable of domestic abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:05 AM
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I was thinking the same thing lol. Maybe it's just a bad picture but he looks rough.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:03 AM
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I think you're noticing the tall men more because you yourself value height. I personally feel uncomfortable around taller men so that's not who I focus on or notice in everyday life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:01 AM
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Here are some videos in no particular order: https://youtu.be/3heKlKdleV4?is=Kd-T8S8JcFr7cFQ_ https://youtu.be/_J4SaWUAKBE?is=QEypQDKJbJzYtfA2 https://youtu.be/kT4ZBcx5oW8?is=7586fCgP2Xshtyro https://youtu.be/fOsMELUzpTI?is=cfaLeF1LLb4J0ex_ https://youtu.be/cmz_zrsP1wU?is=ib5yRWFcQg-hoaE- https://youtu.be/AS7s7T-fDFw?is=0jEVKEDpuLUHMOUQ https://youtu.be/WScv_h58LLs?is=-kaKz8VIWX_r9U6X https://youtu.be/GGDpQhGvbE8?is=b9g3aCwTfIRU5qal https://youtu.be/WZR7YjO2Kbw?is=dznYDq9FooXBUbhw
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:32 AM
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I understand some of the critique because I'll admit I'm not that in tune with my emotions and that makes relationships difficult but I think it's unrealistic for women to expect such drastic change from someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:14 AM
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Clavicular is definitely leaning towards the non masculine side of the spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:29 AM
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If you still desire what's valued in the system you criticize you'll never get what you want. You are saying that you don't want to be judged based on traditional masculinity yet desire traditional femininity. It wouldn't make sense for a woman who abides by and grew up believing in traditionalism to want a man who doesn't believe the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:00 AM
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That's what feminism has done so I'm not sure why you are acting as if women are doing nothing to create the future they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:57 AM
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There's a lot of discourse about the women who support patriarchy with feminist and intersectional circles even if you weren't privy to it. For example, the white women who voted for trump are recieving the same amount of heat if not more compared to the men who made the same decision. I mean this genuinely but I suggest you look into criticisms of choice feminism because women have been talking about this problem for decades. Most recently the conversation about Ariana Grande being skeletal has…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:54 AM
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Idk that's how I solve problems. I think there's a time and place for introspection but a chaotic moment certainly isn't it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:49 AM
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It's okay to only have male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:39 AM
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If the gamer is on house arrest even if the warden is his own mind what's the difference between the two?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:36 AM
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Men are attracted to women who harm others so why is it surprising that the same applies to women? There's a difference between attractive and attraction but men seem to have overlooked it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:29 AM
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I mean slave owners were scared that they wouldn't be as profitable but I think we all acknowledge that no one should be treated as property.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:26 AM
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Exactly. Conservatism thrives on hierarchy so I don't know why they suddenly act like it's a new invention.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:23 AM
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Men's gratitude doesn't pay the bills. I have yet to see men truly go to bat for women's causes so I don't see your point. At least for me my mentality is that if I can do something there's no reason a man can't achieve the same thing. I think it's equitable to expect the same things for both myself and my partner so I don't see the hypocrisy you seem to feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:21 AM
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How is it equitable for one person to be expected to stay in the home and have nothing of their own while the other gets to be free? You can say that you'd prefer one outcome but there's no reason to act like it was equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:17 AM
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Is a prisoner who's locked up 23 hours a day but walks outside for one hour actually imprisoned?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:12 AM
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I agree that most men have bad lives because that applies to anyone living paycheck to paycheck. Where I disagree is that even a man with nothing often thinks he should have some level of control over a woman. Men holding patriarchal beliefs doesn't change their material reality but it significantly impacts interpersonal interactions. The problems men most often want to address relate to desirability which includes both looks, finances, and meeting gender norms. It's men who focus on not having …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:11 AM
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When a man says that all men only want chaste virgin women feel free to chime in and share your preference. When women say that there are men who don't consider sexual history men say they're lying but your experience proves that it is in fact an opinon that exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:46 PM
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If you go to a family event where no one talks to you and you were only invited because they had to is it valid to feel lonely or excluded when everyone else is laughing with each other? Loneliness is a feeling not a circumstance meaning it can be felt in a variety of contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:44 PM
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An interaction is not the same as a connection or friendship and the same lack of skills that causes some men to be loners can impact women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:42 PM
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If a man can chat on a video game with a friend but talks to no one else for days is he still considered lonely in your book?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:40 PM
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Emotions aren't about objectivity and it seems that women do realize that they might just have a chemical imbalance and decide to take medicine which is then held against them as some sort of proof that their lives are terrible because they aren't in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:34 PM
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There's a difference between getting along with someone and actually having a friend. I understand that men may have to overcome some level of unease but the only thing that creates a friendship is repeated interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:31 PM
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How can you not see how it applies to loneliness in women? If someone missed a meal even though they have a full fridge they aren't starving but they are hungry.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:28 PM
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I think that a man who's felt unchosen his whole life often feels resentful once they do get attention and take it out on whoever chooses them. I also think that some men let things get to their head and start to think that they've miraculously become more attractive and act in ways that are tolerated less if you aren't pretty. I don't think these men or trash or lying about wanting to give a good life to someone but I do think that they aren't as willing to do those things for a woman they aren…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:22 PM
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As a woman without a friend group I have to disagree. The same mental health challenges that make socializing hard for men impacts women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:18 PM
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Because loneliness is about not being seen as an individual and the "abundance" you're referring to is surface level. It doesn't feel the desire to be recognized for your individuality, it just affirms what you already know how others perceive you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:11 PM
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What do men think women don't understand? I think we all know that looks are important and impact your life so what else is there to say? I do believe that a lot of men feel hopeless and it's understandable but that understanding doesn't translate into sex or attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:09 PM
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How are you defining lonely? Are you describing feeling stuck in an isolated hole, not having anyone to call, or being alone most days?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:06 PM
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That's not true. If someone has depression despite them having an amazing life on paper they're still depressed. Some people might have less empathy for them but that's their lived experience. In the same way, someone can grow up in poverty but enjoy their life. People react to situations in different ways and there's no reason to participate in the struggle olympics.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:04 PM
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I'm not seeing the cost if it's what the woman in question wants for herself. Everyone has a different definition of what it means to have the time of their life even if it doesn't align with what you believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:18 PM
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So you're just talking for the sake of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:49 AM
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What's your point? I think everyone can agree that there's been less socializing but if you're talking about men having less sex than they believe they should I have nothing to add to that conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:20 PM
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Loyalty is a mutual agreement so I'm not sure which traits you believe women need to submit to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:16 PM
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I don't see confidence as masculine, I see it as a necessary skill for all people and one I possess myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:12 PM
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I think that most people lack confidence but I'm only trying to find one person so how others conduct themselves is not my concern. I know that there are confident people around me and that I am confident therefore it's not an outlandish expectation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:08 PM
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Keep this same energy when the conversation about n count and marriage is brought up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:05 PM
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If y'all want to say the problem is the number of children born then the obvious solution is to make it easier for women who want to get pregnant to do so even if they don't want to involve a man. Things like IVF are not synthetic or inhuman in some way, it's just a technology. Women preferring to be a single mother rather than being with a man is a valid conversation but the short term solution is obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:58 PM
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When you have a strong sense of self something as trivial as possibly giving up your seat isn't a big deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:51 PM
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It's more cruel to intentionally let the door slam in front of someone's face simply because of their gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:49 PM
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I agree that it's a game of chance but once you know your cards it's pretty clear what you should expect or what's even possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:48 PM
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Again, kindness is one of the things that matters but in a romantic relationship, attraction is the main differentiator and awkwardness reduces attraction for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 07:12 AM
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Service workers and waitstaff in Europe have been some of the worst and most unhelpful to deal with. While Americans can be loud, Europeans also talk loudly on the phone and see no use for headphones in public spaces. I also see more Americans leaving tips and saying thank you for receiving assistance. At the end of the day, we aren't that different which is why I won't push back against the slander.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:58 AM
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To use your analogy, women as a collective can afford a 12 bedroom estate because they are seen as more desirable by every group therefore they both deserve what they want and will get it even if someone who can't afford it (men) feels jealous.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:54 AM
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My takeaway wasn't that she made a bad decision, it was an acknowledgement of the structural inequalities and material realities of relying solely on someone else to feed you. Even if you think of it as a business relationship it wouldn't be a safe decision to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:49 AM
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A soldier who has killed people may have a good personality in terms of being able to make friends easily and being a devoted father but has the capacity to kill and be somewhat able to sleep well at night. The things someone is capable of has very little to do with how a stranger or new acquaintance would experience them in a completly different context.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:07 PM
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Abuse is extremely complex but the first signs can often be explained away because there's no precedent for that behavior. Once the behavior has become pervasive, the victim can start to think that they're the problem or that if they did something differently they wouldn't be treated that way. All of this is often compounded by the fact that most victims have had some model of abusive relationships in their lives and believe it to be the norm. I understand the frustration and often feel it too b…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:01 PM
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Learning the medical reality of pregnancy isn't a fear campaign, it's just giving women the ability to make informed decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:19 PM
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Are the real stories of real women considered propaganda to you? If I hear about the miserable and humiliating life of my cousin who is a stay at home wife is that propaganda or wisdom?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:16 PM
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That might be the reason for some but for me, if I can achieve something I don't see why a man I desire couldn't do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:11 PM
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I simply don't believe that most people are bad or intentionally trying to hurt others. Women don't have to be seen as noble in some way to simply not care about heterosexual relationships. Men seem to assume mal intent but what I hear is women trying to protect themselves and not a desire to harm men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:08 PM
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I think women prefer working because we know that the fantasy of being a stay at home wife who is protected, loved, and living an easy life is just that, a fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:05 PM
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It doesn't help that they make their image worse by associating with the manosphere as some sort of retaliation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:03 PM
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How can you say that women are undeserving in some way when men say that they're attracted to most women and only care about attraction when choosing who to partner with? Also, I thought men were terrified of receiving "sub par treatment" so why would you want to be with someone who doesn't want you in some way?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:03 PM
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How is that any different than how men (especially in the past) viewed women?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:59 PM
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I'm in Europe now and the people are so rude. I never want to hear them say Americans are loud, annoying, or rude when they're exactly the same if not worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 08:26 AM
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I know that which is why I feel the need to push back on their distorted views.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 08:24 AM
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How do they realize it's you when your face isn't visible?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 08:23 AM
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I spoke to a Muslim girl who wears a hijab and she said that she thinks men sexualize and fetishize her more because they see her devotion to god as some sort of kink or evidence that she'll treat him the same way. There's nothing a woman can do to avoid sexualization from a man who sexualizes anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 08:21 AM
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You'd be surprised. Look up reactions to dms and Instagram comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 08:19 AM
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Skin is not inherently sexual. I don't expect men to comment because they know it might be seen as rude or not appropriate in the context of the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 08:15 AM
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That's a bad assumption to make. It's more likely that someone will be annoyed by the remarks and sexual desires of a stranger than it is that they'll be happy to hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 08:13 AM
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Exactly. I don't know why men act like both statements are equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 08:11 AM
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Objectification can only bother the other person if you verbalize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 08:09 AM
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There is no consensus on what the most important filter is so you can't speak for all women. As long as kindness is one of the filters, no one is lying. Romantic relationships are about attraction so it doesn't make sense for kindness which is shown through actions to be the first filter.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 08:07 AM
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You are one accident away from having a life altering injury that can permanently disfigure your body and face so it's not as inherent as you might think.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 08:03 AM
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If it's not that difficult what's wrong with being evaluated?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 07:53 AM
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What you're upset about is pretty privilege and desirability because it's not exclusive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:12 AM
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Beauty is also a circumstance yet men often say it's the only thing they care about in a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:11 AM
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I thought men wanted to be objectified and were upset that women don't see them that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:11 AM
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Shout out to the smut writers. I think the main problem for men like OP is that they don't understand book tok or Fandom culture and believe that it expresses what a woman wants in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:10 AM
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This is exactly why men saying they'd choose any woman simply because she's a woman is not seen as a good thing. If you're being chosen for long term qualities why would you think you're her only option?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:07 AM
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Exactly. Men have standards even if they don't explicitly say what they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:04 AM
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That's unfortunate. Maybe spaces with less focus on social niceties might be a good option or the queer community which can be more accepting.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:02 AM
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Women are attracted to kindness but may also see awkwardness as a deal breaker. One trait being a deal breaker doesn't mean that another doesn't matter. If a deal breaker has been identified there's no reason to try figuring out the full picture. It's okay to not like someone based on the little bit you know about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:01 AM
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Caring about internal values doesn't negate the fact that there are external factors. If I'm considering a man as a potential partner I already find him attractive therefore the thing I'm looking for is who's the kindest and most xomparibke with me. Both things matter and there's nothing hypocritical about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 12:55 AM
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Fat acceptance is over and while it started with a good premise, once they started talking about desirability and not just basic dignity they lost the general public. The movement was initially started by men who didn't want to be mocked for being attracted to fat women which should explain why it was doomed from the start. Men often say that they don't care about a woman's education yet when a woman's education surpasses his own most men start to question their sense of masculinity. Their educa…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 12:53 AM
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I agree that young people can be victims due to their potentially bad decisions but I'm saying that a young woman doing a dumb thing isn't representative of all women or how she'll conduct herself in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 12:45 AM
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It doesn't make you a bad person but it does explain why you're struggling. The idea of undateable depends on the market. If you're a poc in a majority white racist state for example you might be seen as undateable to that market but you aren't fundamentally less than.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 12:43 AM
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You're the one who brought up Afghanistan, not women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:47 PM
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Again, it's okay to have some amount of entitlement but problems arise when it involves other people. An able bodied person being upset that their arm is broken and not working as it should is to be expected but if someone who was born without a limb says the same thing no one can give them the solution they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:46 PM
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And kids are allowed to be disruptive but their opinions are also not values. Every "allowance" has a cost and no adult wants to not be taken seriously especially in the workplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:43 PM
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Being awkward is a personality trait. Most people don't want an awkward partner but that doesn't mean they don't care about personality, if anything, it shows how much they care because it's a dealbreaker for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:41 PM
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If he's ugly that exposure will only mean that he's made fun of by the general public, not that he'd suddenly be chosen for his looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:38 PM
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I don't think that's true but regardless, it makes more sense to focus on the women who don't want to be with a tall man rather than attempting to change the minds of women who do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:37 PM
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She still looked like a woman and wore makeup even if her clothes were baggy and not pink.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:24 PM
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I've definitely seen people treat masculine women worse so I agree with your statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:22 PM
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They didn't just fail at masculinity, the actively decided to align with femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:21 PM
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It's not that they're disrespecting womanhood, it's that they're disrespecting themselves by aligning with a group seen as weak why then are expected to want to be strong. Femininity itself is treated as a downgrade and a lack of power no matter who aligns with it. The difference is that when a man doesn't seek power it impacts his ability to achieve masculinity while a woman seeking power has no impact on beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:13 PM
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They are seen as less of a man and the same applies to women who aren't beautiful and permissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:09 PM
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The "feminine protections" you're referring to require being seen as less than in some way. Men losing status for being seen as feminine is to be expected because it's the prerequisite of femininity. Men are able to be feminine in the sense that they can be attractive and nice but the definition of attractive is still that of traditional masculinity. Women are also able to be masculine in the sense that they can be competitive at work while still being attractive but just as with men, there's st…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:08 PM
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They're both a benefit and having both is even better. Some women may decide that they are okay with a man who only has one but I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:03 PM
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Someone being kind doesn't mean they lack any other strength. I don't like anyone being intentionally weak including myself so I certainly wouldn't want it in a partner. I am tolerant of people having the right to be weak and present however they want but it's not something I personally want for myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:02 PM
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I also want to add that women who are emotional, weak, soft, or dramatic don't receive respect for acting that way. They might receive some benefit for adhering to femininity but they will be seen as incapable and therefore useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:59 PM
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No one said dating is equal because it's based in desirability and ability to hold others to a standard without compromising.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:55 PM
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Most kinks are based in fundamental fears and don't reflect reality. A lot of men are scared of the fact that they'd do almost anything for a woman or feel like women will hate them. Femdom kinks allow them to play out those fears in a negotiated exchange. Some men having those fears can actually play out as hostility and anger towards women in real life so again, their fear doesn't actually represent a fundamental, inalienable power women have.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:53 PM
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That's not power because it can be taken away. If your father decided he didn't like your mother anymore she has nothing to her name. If what you have is contingent on the goodwill of others it's not actual power. Beauty has it's benefits but it's also fleeting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:49 PM
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Many do so what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:46 PM
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Men don't lack social, political, or economic power because they can't get a sexual fantasy fulfilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:46 PM
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It seems that you see kink as reality of true power in society but it's simply not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:42 PM
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Being sexually desired is not protection and often places you in the crosshairs of those who would do you harm so can it really be called power?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:36 PM
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Most people believe murder is wrong but understand that relationships are a measure of desirability which is but always physical. Becoming a criminal won't make the men in question more attractive because that isn't what makes someone attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:34 PM
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The systemic issue is that the hallmarks of masculinity and male desirability are increasingly inaccessible for men. Everyone understands that there are a lot of cards stacked against some men but that doesn't mean it's rational for a man to expect to be chosen despite those cards.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:31 PM
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Sometimes the correct behavior is being attractive in the way that society deems acceptable. Not meeting that ever changing standard isn't a moral failing but it's certainly not a triumph. If anything, I'd consider it unfortunate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:28 PM
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Women aren't entitled to being mothers or career success if they have the proper qualifications. Men are given the chance to prove themselves because they are able to be perceived by the public. For some that perception may not be enough to be chosen but they've been given a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:24 PM
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Even if the standard is looks, (which is not inherently bad), then you understand why someone may not want to attach their lives to yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:19 PM
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Virgin is often used as shorthand for not being chosen. It has less to do with sex and more to do with not being a part of the in group of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:17 PM
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Seeing relationships as something that should be easy and accessible is an entitled position. Men are allowed to feel that way but in believing that a relationship is their destiny men do have expectations of how women should act.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:14 PM
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Or it suggests that they didn't want to follow the traditional path given to women. You assume that women not having something you see as fundamental means they were unable to access it rather than them consciously deciding not to pursue it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:10 PM
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If you're unhappy with something that means you want a different outcome. The fact that you believe that outcome is possible for you means that there is in fact a level of entitlement. I don't think there's anything wrong with having some entitled feelings but there's no reason to act like the belief isn't there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:09 PM
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If you aren't like everyone around you for one reason or another why would it make sense that you would have the same chance as they have?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:07 PM
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Can you describe a specific archetype or combination of features? Being too broad is significantly harming your argument because you seem unable to provide a clear example for everyone to respond to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:02 PM
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Exactly. These men may have an even higher desire to punch down for a lack of a better word.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:00 PM
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If they're following the law what are you considering immoral behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:59 PM
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The main contributor to the stories you've shared is age and we know that younger people don't always make the best decisions. We can talk about why they make bad decisions but I don't see it as representative of their gender or other social groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:57 PM
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They may be too timid to actually express their frustration in an overt way but that doesn't mean they don't feel frustrated or aren't expressing it in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:54 PM
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I can only speak for myself but if the faces are the same I'd go with the 5'7" man because I am not interested in being with a giant. I'm not saying that being tall is objectively unattractive but it's not every woman's only type.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:51 PM
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I have to disagree. I've been traveling and have seen a bunch of men who I'd estimate to be around 5'7" with girlfriends. It's easier to notice a tall person because they stand out but it's certainly not the only thing that makes a man attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:47 PM
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I disagree. The thing most men seem to be mad about is that without those things, they aren't seen as attractive if they are lacking in terms of looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:30 PM
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There are plenty of men with fat or unconventional women who are embarrassed to publicly claim the woman he's with.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:14 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:58 PM
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If she wants something other than being seen as a subpar replacement for masturbation and ego there's no reason to appeal to that type of man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:57 PM
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I think that they believe they are looking for an average woman but if being fat is average and they want a skinny woman, they aren't actually looking for an average woman and are instead asking for an attractive woman. It's fine to want that but if you know you're barely reaching the level of being attractive you may want to lower your standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:56 PM
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I think it makes more sense to consider it an orange flag because if the rest of the relationship is fine there's no reason to assume the worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:54 PM
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A skinny white guy isn't fulfilling traditional white masculinity so he shouldn't expect a woman who's in the top of her league. If he is able to become more attractive by adhering to a traditionally masculine aesthetic he has to decide whether he actually wanted to be loved in a relationship or boost his ego. Neither answer is wrong but if his problem was not having a girlfriend deciding that an attractive and willing woman isn't good enough for a relationship is certainly a choice. At some poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:52 PM
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It's good you found someone with the same beliefs as you rather than getting mad at secular people for not acting as you believe god told them to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:48 PM
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I take issue with the idea of sexual access because it implies that sex should be available and not that it's supposed to be about mutual attraction. If what you're really focusing on is looks then you should be discussing desirability and not access. Surface level desirability has nothing to do with how someone acts and it shouldn't. With that said, each bad action detracts from overall desirability which is why there are in fact women who won't put up with a behavior that another will. Every w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:43 PM
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If you're unattractive and want to be chosen you have to pick a struggle. An attractive man can make up for his attitude with looks but the same won't be true for an unattractive man. That's the definition of pretty privilege which women and feminists have been discussing for decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:38 PM
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If he is in fact responsible for his own behavior he would act that way whether or not he has access to sex so women not choosing them wouldn't change who they fundamentally are. Being an incel is not a moral indictment, it just signals a lack of normative desirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:34 PM
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Sex is not a reward for existing. If you already believe that attraction is not based on moral behavior why is it surprising that given no other information the attraction would take precedence over potential morality? I also think that it is important to talk about the definition of morality because all things are nkt equal. If someone married a soldier who killed someone which is often considered morally wrong yet sanctioned by the state. Compared to a self identified incel who exists outside …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:32 PM
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If a man believes he's struggling maybe he should focus on something other than skinny white women because that's the same preference as significantly more attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:12 PM
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This is good data thank you for sharing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:57 PM
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People aren't obligated to force themselves to do something they are unsure about or uncomfortable with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:18 PM
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I think that only married people should have shared accounts and assests so I'd applaud him for making better financial decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:17 PM
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Why not focus on the reasons you may not be making her feel comfortable rather than the fact that she did it with someone else? You don't know the nature of that relationship and for all you know it could have been coercion. The thing that's troubling is that the only conclusion y'all will believe is that a woman hates you or likes you less in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:15 PM
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Are you religious?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:13 PM
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Men here say that they are unable to end bad relationships because they think there won't be opportunities in the future. I think this often leads them to attempting a woman to be the type that he wants rather than the type she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:13 PM
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Do you think "good treatment" is a partner engaging in sexual actions that they don't want and cause them pain? That's basically coercion and if you want consensual sex and relationships there's no reason to see boundaries as a measure of how much someone loves you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:11 PM
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I think it's valid to point out how men see sex as a competition with another man and not the pleasure of the woman. Their concern isn't that the woman isn't having the type of sex she enjoys, it's that another man did in the past. It comes across as selfish when a partner saying no isn't enough reason for you to stop pushing the issue and instead keep badgering her based on your own fears.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:09 PM
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If men are saying that they're struggling it's up to them to compromise or not. It's interesting that you see kinky sex as more or somehow better if you haven't even done it before.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:06 PM
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If they haven't done it before they can't actually say it's more fun and if they have had kinky sex and their new partner doesn't like it they should find a new partner. Men seem to always make it about hierarchy and end up making themselves upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:04 PM
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The way to get rich is definitely not to ask a nun who's taken a vow of poverty to use your example.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:02 PM
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If he's complaining he's probably not the type of guy who can easily find another woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:01 PM
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They may not explicitly care but many believe that part of the world they want to live in can be achieved through control and conservatism.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:26 PM
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Not really. If a man is saying he wants a feminine submissive wife who will stay home and give him babies you can bet that he is probably a conservative who votes republican. Your actions show your values which inform your politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:25 PM
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Most men wouldn't tell another man their weakness so that would make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:20 PM
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Can you give some examples? Do you think looks plays a role?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:14 PM
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If that's true why is that something men here advocate for? If women are the problem for not being as direct why is it that when they are y'all don't even end up just interpreting the first layer?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:14 PM
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Abusers make their victims see themselves as less than and harp on the idea that no one else will want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:15 AM
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How would you distinguish between domineering behavior and masculine behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:11 AM
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There are grown men who to this day say that they can't trust women because a girl made fun of them in middle school.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:09 AM
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I agree that more people should leave abusive relationships but I also understand that violence, conditioning, and finances can complicate things.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:07 AM
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Do students who attend a school that later becomes the site of a mass casualty event have a skill issue? Based on your logic they chose that school and chose to attend that day so does it still apply to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:04 AM
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I can understand that perspective but it's a public forum so I'd expect a level of decency even if it's in the context of sex and porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:55 AM
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I don't believe that there are normie women, for lack of a better word, who want to be with a criminal. Regardless, someone talking about the interpersonal preferences they have doesn't mean they don't have physical preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:58 AM
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In the past a lot of children were needed to make sure any survived to adulthood but with modern innovations, it's no longer a necessity. I believe the same applies to un paired men since there have been similar innovations in family planning and the nature of work being less physical. I'm not saying it doesn't matter but I don't think the supposed potential of violence is the reason society should care. I also don't think the recent changes are as existential and world ending as you believe it …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:11 AM
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I think it's just that more people are reporting incidents of SA. It always happened but there wasn't a word for it or a culture that wanted to listen.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:03 AM
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I don't think that material objects make people happy but I see no honor in worrying about how I'll afford groceries when I don't need to. I don't worship money but I see how it removes a lot of stress and wouldn't willingly choose to be without it. There may be some poor people who are happy with their lives but that's not the type of life I want for myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:02 AM
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The comments are what gets me because it means that this person has watched so much that they want an account, have some sort subscription, and think the creator cares about them as an individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:56 PM
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I think that there are also very few reasons why men and women who don't know each other would be alone in a private space.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:54 PM
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What do you consider simp behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:48 PM
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I agree but I also think rp selects for that exact type of woman because only a male centered woman who wants attention would put up with products strategies.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:44 PM
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Being in multiple relationships that lasted about a year but ended for unrelated reasons don't say much about how impulsive someone is. It really isn't the best metric.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:42 PM
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Why are you thinking about having a child with someone who's name you don't even know? Honestly a man saying he wants to "get a woman pregnant" comes across as a threat but maybe it's just me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:38 PM
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I feel the same way but I've come to learn that some people struggle with something called food noise which doesn't allow their mind to recognize that their body is full so they just keep eating. I also think that a lot of the eating is dopamine seeking or self soothing behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:35 PM
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This is what I've been saying yet folks always argue with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:33 PM
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I'm an atheist and I'm none of those things. I'm not mad at god because I never believed there was a god who was supposed to solve all my problems. If you're so god fearing I'd expect you to understand that according to christians the atheist was created to show that people can do things for the sake of simply helping another human and not because a god told them so or in an attempt to go to heaven.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:30 PM
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I truly believe that being poor is one of the worst things that can happen to someone and I stand by that. I believe in activism and fighting for a better future but I know what's needed for the type of life I want for myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:25 PM
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Most women aren't waiting a year because even a week is enough to weed out a lot of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:23 PM
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Considering that the men in question are neurotic and scared of women I doubt they'd make the major decision to sexually harm a woman. It's more likely that they'll turn their anger towards themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:20 PM
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How is it invoking the just world fallacy to point out that most tenants of sharia law are found in christianity when both are abrahamic religions? Not everyone has to believe what you do for your beliefs to be valid. If you can't convince people that an imagined future is better than living in the present maybe your world view is not persuasive. If your perspective was correct it wouldn't require the amount of control and shame involved in christianity. I don't know why you think a loving god w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:54 PM
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If you don't like women as individuals maybe a lady boy would be a better match.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:43 PM
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I agree that height is meaningless but how are you going to claim that money shouldn't matter when we live in a capitalistic society?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:42 PM
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I thought y'all liked direct and honest communication which requires the listener to take things at face value rather than looking for a hidden meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:40 PM
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I mean that they get nervous and are worried about saying the wrong thing so they end up just saying nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:38 PM
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That's interesting. Do you think the resentment would be different if the parent who was away was their father instead of their mother?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:37 PM
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If you're talking about the women who choose criminals they're often low income and don't have those expectations of themselves or others. The women looking for a man who believes in feminist ideology are typically college educated, middle class women who do care about those traits but also value appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:34 PM
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This is fear mongering and contributing to why people dismiss the concerns some men have. You don't need to invoke the threat of violence to get help or be heard. In the past the men you're referring to would be unmarried soldiers with no war to fight but as you've identified, that does not describe the men of today. I don't think there's a limit because the amount of potential vices men could fall into are endless.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:24 PM
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Exactly they're all living in fantasy and are mad at women who won't act as they'd want in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:19 PM
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You don't need to believe in the red pill to have the dignity, self worth, and safety needed to leave an abusive relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:37 PM
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I wonder if the contradiction is that they expect women to feel the same level of lust and obsession as they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:04 PM
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"Sexually marginalized men" are that way because they don't fit societal ideals. Anyone who doesn't fit in is less likely to recive what may be considered fundamental because they aren't considered part of society. They are more of a threat to themselves than society as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:02 PM
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Why would it make more sense for a woman to "risk their life" with a man they aren't attracted to? Sex is always risk so why not choose the prettiest option?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:55 PM
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Gay men who are attractive have high standards and exclude anyone who doesn't fit into their preferred archetype.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:53 PM
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Exactly. Like are y'all not embarrassed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:52 PM
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The way men are encouraged to talk about and have sex is not peaceful so I'm not sure why you'd say this. Even the folks here who identify as socially inept have a level of disdain and jealousy towards women that shows up in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:51 PM
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I agree that parents should make their autistic sons do things they may not enjoy so that they're more well adjusted and set up for success.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:48 PM
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Kind of. If your observations aren't matching what the people around you are saying it's okay to question it and come to your own conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:46 PM
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I don't know how to personalize my flair but I'm also autistic. For women, femininity can be used to deflect a lot of the ways autism impacts social interactions. The same somewhat applies to men who are attractive but it doesn't seem like autistic men see masculinity as a sort of shield.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:45 PM
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Why are you not calling out men for willingly fucking a limp body? Blame men for having no expectations not women for knowing what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:43 PM
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Exactly. Nothing about the maladjusted guy makes him a better option.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:40 PM
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What's the point of having sex with someone you aren't attracted to? It's not about fear, it's just that sex is based on attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:40 PM
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Unless that woman has had sex before.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:38 PM
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They're more "tolerant" because they either see the woman as an interchangeable sex toy who boots their ego or have a low opinon of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:38 PM
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I don't think that women are lying about this observation. While women might tell a fat girl that she looks good to hype her up that's an individual interaction and not an observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:46 PM
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Most people kind of shut down when they find out that their affection is reciprocated. While they may be feeling a lot they typically choose to play things cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:44 PM
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Can you give an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:41 PM
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How is it disingenuous? Someone who already feels affirmed in their desirability would probably be happier to hear that someone wants to have a family with them and not that they're attractive which they already know. The problem for y'all is that you haven't revived either response and are terrified of what the answer might be.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:41 PM
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But you aren't talking about single guys, you're talking about men in relationships wanting to feel desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:39 PM
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I think clav looks a bit square and I can't really see his eyes but I like his lips and hair. Without that it would be a no from me. I think the judge looks more refined and overall masculine compared to clav who looks like he's been called to the office. Like the judges face looks like what he says is the final decision while clav doesn't give that vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:37 PM
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It's not just a self esteem issue, it's their lived experience. Unattractive women have likely been asked out as a joke or had sex with a man only to find out that he thinks she's too unattractive for a relationship. Men have a different struggle of never reciving any feedback but these women have material proof of their self belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:34 PM
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Exactly. By the time the court decides to garnish wages a lot of support has to be unpaid. Just wondering, how does your brothers child feel about their mother deciding to leave them?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:30 PM
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Not necessarily. It doesn't build community but it advances innovation and change.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:17 PM
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Even if women do later wish they got married they won't be longing for a man they never found attractive. Nowadays people work until they die and children can't take time off of work to go visit them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:16 PM
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Men's desires if we're talking about relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:13 PM
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You're proving that women don't have some sort of automatic protection from men simply by being a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:11 PM
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Wearing heels physically changes the structure of your feet so it won't feel comfortable until that happens. Personally, I focus on shoes with a lot of support.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:05 PM
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If you didn't have a problem with women you wouldn't care if they were truly lesbian. Just to be clear, women aren't secretly lesbian, they just express interest in different ways and may not be interested in you as an individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:01 PM
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Where did you get the idea that straight women are secretly intimate with each other? Porn?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:58 PM
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Alimony is based on having a stay at home parent who was out of the workforce, child support is for whichever parent doesn't have physical custody, and men seem to only want to go somewhere when they know that women might be there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:48 PM
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What injustice are you referring to and if other men don't think it's enough of a problem why are you attempting to advocate on their behalf?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 04:49 PM
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These are male centered women who struggle with the idea that they made a bad decision. Some people just like to complain but unless a woman genuinely wants to leave the relationship, no one wants to hear it. If you describe someone as terrible in every way you can't be surprised when that's the conclusion other people have as well. If these women wanted their friends to say good things they should have introduced him as a good man and not someone who is the source of all her problems. Women are…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 04:47 PM
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You say this but I think that you know where you are in the hierarchy and resent the fact that you aren't a chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:28 AM
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Folks can't talk about race without falling into racist tropes even though those tropes are what makes dating different depending on race.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:32 PM
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If you felt like you were in physical danger you'd probably interpret it differently. It's only amusing because there's no real threat to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:30 PM
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It's for the good of the species and you should be thankful /s
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:28 PM
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What are men doing to try gaining social acceptance?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:27 PM
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At some point it's no longer red pill to keep imagining yourself living as a woman. It's valid to hope for what you consider an easy life but most straight cis men wouldn't be caught dead around the very idea of femininity. Honestly I think that what you're searching for is perceived control and agency but you should know that most women don't actually have those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:26 PM
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Exactly and that's why I'll never take an incel telling women to be humble seriously. Women are everything they hope to be which is why they envy us so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:19 PM
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I think that ego is not inherently bad and based on how much women are desired, they aren't wrong for recognizing how others treat them. I'd also point out that men who largely value hierarchy also care about how they are perceived especially those closer to the top. In today's day and age, looks is what matters for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:18 PM
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The fact that she's posting this online with her face leads me to believe that she's someone who desperately craves attention and love to an almost pathological degree. I feel just as sorry for her as I do for an incel because she is feeling that same level of anguish even if she objectively has more options.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:14 PM
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I think that you have no control over your life and try to exert what little you have over women. You're no different than a poor white person calling an accomplished black person the n word because they can't fathom that someone who's ancestors were slaves could be doing better than them. It's honestly so uninspired. That or you're just desprate for attention of any kind even if it's negative because you aren't able to make women happily focus on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:12 PM
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I believe it because I've known and seen some mean women. Even on reality TV women like Huda are objectively abusive but no one says or does anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:09 PM
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I'm saying that the only thing women need to "rationalize" being provided for is being pretty or putting up with a man's behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:05 PM
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Read a dictionary because it's not the same thing. Excuse implies trying to avoid responsibilities while reason is describing the responsibility. If the mother walked away the children would still need care in the form of a nanny which is a paid job. Being a stay at home mom is a job even if it's not a type of labor you value. At the end of the day, why is it so upsetting for you that a man who makes money would want his wife and children to live in comfort?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 01:21 AM
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That's not some kind of own or revelation. It just shows what men willingly do for sex because it's not using if everyone understands what to expect.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 01:16 AM
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It's not uncommon to be a trophy wife with no kids so I don't understand why you think kids are necessary for a woman to have her bills paid by a man. Also, if a man is too poor to be the sole provider he really should marry someone in a tax bracket he can actually pay for. Women aren't any more or less special, these are just the financial obligations of a man who wants to be the head of a household.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:01 PM
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If she's taking care of the kids it's not an excuse, it's a reason. According to folks here men believe they have some sort of biological imperative to have children so let's not act like the majority of men are being duped into having a stay at home wife when it's something that gets discussed before hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:56 PM
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Your mind or biology can say a lot of things but that doesn't mean you have to actually do it. If you want to have children just say that but don't act as if you have no agency in the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:54 PM
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Very few people, let alone men, are primary breadwinners. Also, most men aren't doing significantly more housework because they don't think that certain chores even need to be done in the first place. Try again
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:53 PM
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I completly agree but when I say this I get down voted.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:51 PM
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Women aren't being vague, you've just decided to interpret their responses through your world view. I'm sure that to you, there's no way a conventionally attractive man would ever be rejected but speaking from personal experience, I've specifically not sent likes to certain men if they were too attractive and would feel wary if an extremely attractive man approached me. I also want to add that no hot guy is going to admit to another guy that he wasn't able to do something.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:50 PM
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It's interesting that women are said to be functionally men while at the same time men say that they want women to be more feminine. The move towards conservatism simply doesn't work when men (and everyone) have no economic power.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:01 PM
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Children often leave parents exhausted, isolated, and broke so yes it does impact social cohesion. I don't know why you're so afraid of Muslims or even the idea of sharia law when most of its tenets can be found in christianity and judaism. If you're perspective on the world was so correct, you wouldn't have to keep attempting to force people to believe it because it would be the obvious choice. The fact that it isn't should lead you to question your own beliefs but I know that's something Ameri…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:14 PM
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I completly agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 07:00 AM
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I am not afraid of any religion other than christianity for the way it controls so much of American life. Maybe what you're considering a loss is actually to the benefit of people in the future. Just say you want the conservative status quo and move on. There's no need to act like you care about the future in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:59 AM
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My utopia isn't being with a man just to not be alone. The burden is capitalism and it's impacting everyone, not just men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:55 AM
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Having more babies is better for the elite who want a steady stream of workers. If the good of society is social cohesion and happiness having children for the sake of it would be the worst solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:53 AM
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Seeing it as an insult is purely ego. She may not like you but it's a cop out to blame your opinon of another man on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:47 AM
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You've literally described an audit of sexual history.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:43 AM
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Unless your partner was a porn star I don't see how your partner could bring you shame based on something you can find out through constant questioning. If she had a "bad reputation" you would know about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:39 AM
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Would your opinon be different if she felt that threesomes were the thing that doomed her relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:37 AM
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If I wanted that presentation that's what I would have sought out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:32 AM
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Why would you have sex with someone who's so unstable that they lie to themselves about what they like?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:28 AM
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I have a level of investment I require and without that a relationship wouldn't make sense. Why would I try to compare or place my experience in the context of what my partner has done in the past if their actions just aren't what I'm looking for? I've definitely felt jealousy about the life I belive someone else is living but not about how they've been treated.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:22 AM
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I think it's good to be more money conscious but I also have a certain standard of living I want to maintain. Buffets are not a part of what I want in my life so if that's what life with him entails, I don't want it regardless of his past.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:18 AM
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Everyone has a different definition of an exotic place but I would assume that he was giving her the experience she wanted to have because there's no one size fits all way to approach relationships. If I was unhappy about where he brought me I would feel the same way regardless of some other woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:14 AM
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People of different ethnicities are not aliens, we're all human. Don't buy into the white supremacist idea of white men being at the top of the hierarchy, black men at the bottom because they defile women, yet also think that black men represent a type of masculinity you can't measure up against. This thinking will ruin your life for no reason so avoid it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:11 AM
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The whole dick size thing just feels like OCD at this point. If you fundamentally belive you aren't enough no one can say or prove otherwise to you. It's a real shame because this fear seems to be debilitating men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:05 AM
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If I like fancy high end restaurants I wouldn't choose a man who didn't want the same things. It has nothing to do with what he's done in a previous relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:03 AM
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You're operating on the assumption that women do sexual acts for a man and not because they simply like it. If she simply liked the act she would ask for it. It's also weird to assume you're just objectively worse than someone else but I guess that speaks to an overall lack of self worth. I get why you might feel that way but that doesn't make your thinking correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:00 AM
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Why would you think women have some sort of split personality if that's not how you approach sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 05:55 AM
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They're being called out especially if the felt that their sex life was fine and only started thinking there was a problem after comparing himself to a whole other person. It might be that the sex act is a symptom of the problem but that's certainly not how men express that concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 05:53 AM
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That's not what I gathered from the sketch. If she liked the first guy she would be with him since they're on speaking terms so I'd imagine the breakup wasn't explosive. If it were something like filing taxes and not sex which men consider part of their worth and identity it wouldn't be such a problem. She's pointing out how men's egos prevent conversations that would ultimately improve the relationship which is in line with your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 05:51 AM
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If you don't meet the standards to be in the league you want to be what else would you expect?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:56 PM
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The court can mandate it's own test even if the at home test you did yourself can't be admitted as evidence. The whole point of court is to make an argument and no one is stopping you from making one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:54 PM
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Y'all literally complain about chad which is a pretty man so yes, it is humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:03 AM
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Even fat people don't particularly like it when their partner says that they're fat. Unless the man asks how she chose him or what categories she was considering the "problem" won't even come up. If he hasn't noticed a problem in their sex life and feels fulfilled why would an arbitrary ranking matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:54 AM
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I don't think men should go to a new mother to essentially ask if she cheated which is why I think men have to make the decision for themselves. Even if it's illegal, do the test anyway. A lot of things are illegal but if something is bothering you that much the risk will be worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:51 AM
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For some men the red flag is un ironically the fact that she agreed to sex in the first place which puts women in a catch 22.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:48 AM
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I think that poverty reduces options in life which is why you see them making so many decisions that seem wrong to us but in context, may be the best solution. Most people don't actually want to be drug addicts or homeless and if given help when they ask, they'll accept it. I'm not saying that everyone can be saved from themselves but I think that enough do. To answer you question, yes I do think that some criminals are helpless to their addictions and would rather they recive help than putting …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:42 AM
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The mother in question has probably grown up around abuse and the cycle has been normalized. It's a real shame but it has more to do with environment than sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 11:18 PM
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You'd be surprised how many religious men will excuse their own immoral actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 11:16 PM
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Some of them also struggle with getting laid if they aren't conventionally attractive or feeling loved as an individual. The grass isn't greener if you ask me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 11:15 PM
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I just noticed that you're christian so your stance makes a lot more sense. In religion all actions are judged by morality including basic human emotions and sex itself is highly stigmatized. Both genders are also told that being a virgin when they get married will result in an amazing connection that wouldn't be possible if they'd had sex before. I think that the thing you're confused by is that people who don't live based on religious doctrine don't have the same hang ups and expectations arou…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 11:14 PM
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Your whole premise is based on a sub group of women, those who have been traumatized. Not every woman has this experience therefore it can't be applied to women as a whole. No one says that attraction has anything to do with morality but in general most people are scared when someone doesn't live by the social rules. For some who have experienced trauma it may get re interpreted as arousal but again, it's not the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 11:10 PM
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I take people at their word especially for something like their own happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 11:07 PM
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I feel the same way when men 35 plus are sending me likes as someone under 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 11:04 PM
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If they have children the other parent typically facilitates the activities for the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 11:03 PM
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If most men know they can't accomplish it in reality why do they say it so much?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 11:01 PM
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The fine line is consent yet you're assigning malice and to an independent decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:59 PM
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No, you are associating the word female with the normative expressions of XX genitalia. Culture and physical sex aren't the same especially because culture is ever evolving. It is somewhat circular but it's intentional to allow more people to identify with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:58 PM
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There's a difference between being a parent and being a single parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:55 PM
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Was anything wrong with your mother? I'm not trying to be mean but I rarely hear of women willingly leaving kids with their fathers unless they're extremely overwhelmed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:55 PM
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I have always said this. If we know the majority of people are fat meaning it is the average, an average man shouldn't think his looksmatch is a skinny woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:53 PM
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Have you seen those purity ceremonies where young girls pledge to their father's and god that they won't have premarital sex? Or the whole discourse about trying to intimidate a new boyfriend and even not allowing their daughters to date?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:51 PM
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If they're both common and socially acceptable why are you suprised by it? If I were to be rped in the woods I'd bet that the attacker would be a man. If it's between rpe and dieing in a predictable way I know what I'd prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:47 PM
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I'm gonna need an example of bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:24 PM
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Are you finding good results?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:24 PM
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I have problems with Sabrina in general but sexual violence against women is also in popular songs so I think it's pretty equal. I really don't think a woman in the woods would kill me then sexually violate me but men are known to do that so much that it's routine to run rpe kits on dead women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:15 PM
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I have no problem with the bullied fighting back as long as the response is proportional? Can you give an example of what you'd consider men being bullied?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:11 PM
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Who else needs to be nurtured other than the helpless?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:08 PM
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Repeats offenders have often grown up in environments that normalize violence and many have been on drugs since they were a teen. I actually just watched the documentary on Netflix about them unlocking the cells and having no guards and the results were inspiring. At first they did get a bit rowdy but no more so than sports fans but in the end, they learned how to de escalate potential fights, hold each other accountable for bad actions, and generally want better for themselves. If someone's not…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:07 PM
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How is it rage inducing about violence prevention programs?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:57 PM
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It's more about perception rather than an actual number of previous partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:39 PM
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The difference is that trust and respect has been established with kink but the same is not true for men talking about casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:33 PM
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If he hasn't made it clear that he expects monogamy he shouldn't have unprotected sex with a woman. If a woman continues having sex with others after agreeing to monogamy it's a problem of cheating and the solution is to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:22 PM
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I'm giving you a rationale to why people react as they do. If you don't like it don't talk about this topic with other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:20 PM
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Unless she's degrading her partner there's really no problem even if it's something you're insecure about. It's no different than a man ending up with a chunkier wife even if he enjoyed relationships with slimmer women in the past. You win some, you lose some but y'all are terrified of loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:19 PM
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I think that they need to pick a struggle. The solution to paternity uncertainty is a simple DNA test and the solution to cheating is to leave. You are too concerned and nerve racked before anything has even happened. The conflict is that men feel that they have no control or leverage and are trying to reclaim it in any way they can. There's no fundamental difference, it's just about power and thr lack thereof.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:15 PM
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I get it in the sense that I understand why a poor person would say that they should rob a bank. I know how important money is but I also know that the person saying it doesn't have the wherewithal to follow through.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:07 PM
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Because when men say it they're trying to act like there isn't actually a problem while women are pointing out what most people know to be true. Y'all aren't saying that you have experienced something different and therefore disagree, you just don't like that the implication might include someone like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:01 PM
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It's saying that when you see something going wrong, whether it's domestic violence or mass casualty events, the perpetrator is going to be a man more likely than not. The goal is to point out that while there are exceptions, we all know the what to expect.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:48 PM
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She usually thinks that she's the exception and that she can fix the bad parts of him because they want to save someone. It's the same cognitive dissonance that men display when they want a woman to have sex immediately yet have very few sexual experiences. I think it's people wanting to feel special in some way even if the person is not treating them with kindness. These situations are unfortunate but once you consider the levels of abuse and control some of those women grew up around it makes …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:39 AM
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If that's all relationships are for you why not pay a sex worker?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:29 AM
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Most people who live in progressive HCOL cities have the money to afford life there and wouldn't consider a lower class partner. With that said, those women shouldn't be your target market but the poor slightly chunky woman who is the first in her family to go to college might be more your speed. The women you're criticizing do care about personality and kindness but only within their dating pool of people similar to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:21 AM
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What type of woman are you trying to be seen by? If you're chasing a traditionally feminine woman without those markers you'll struggle but maybe queer women would be more accepting of someone who doesn't follow gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:15 AM
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I'm sure that your strategy works better than the mindless trawling men say is the only way they can find a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:11 AM
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Why would you be in a long term relationship if you don't want one and why are you getting women pregnant out of wedlock? If you don't have unprotected sex and wait until you're married to have children most of the risk is avoidable. Even if you are paranoid just get a test because it's absurd to live in fear of what someone might do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:08 AM
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I think that's just you. Most people aren't preoccupied with thoughts of their partner cheating and only start worrying if things feel off. Most sex doesn't result in pregnancy and there are options to make sure that a child isn't born. If you're concerned about cheating just say that but don't hang your hat on the idea of paternity when it's unlikely to ever become a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:04 AM
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While men may want sex and to feel desired when you look at an older man who has no family he's worried about who will care for him when he's sick, not reminiscing about past sexual conquests.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:00 AM
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Why do you assume that your partner wouldn't be happy with you? It's crazy that even in your fantasies y'all can't imagine a good life for yourselves. Honestly it's a shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:58 AM
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Why would he knowingly date someone who was having sex with multiple people in the first place? If you're that afraid do a DNA test and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:55 AM
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Most men would love to have someone who would be there when he gets home even if they spend their time chasing sex. I don't see why you're so concerned about "raising someone else's child" when most women don't even want children in the first place. At this point you're just playing into your own fears.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:53 AM
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*humans Everyone is treated differently based on how they look, especially women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:47 AM
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When you see men talking about supposedly receiving "poor treatment" please give them this response.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:22 PM
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If you're a man marrying a woman and having a child aren't you also somewhat following the hetero normative monogamous script? Even if the relationship is dead to you do you expect your child to feel the same way about someone they may have seen as a parent or caregiver? What is an age appropriate way to explain to a child that you and your partner love other people but less than they love each other and them? I'm not sure how your relationship works but from what I understand, poly relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:40 PM
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If you don't feel emotionally strong enough to have difficult conversations why do you think you're in a place to have a relationship of any kind?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:49 PM
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So then you are afraid that there won't be someone else who wants the same thing if you tell them how you really feel. It seems like you know that honesty will result in that person leaving so to avoid that you avoid the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:47 PM
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I think I'm imagining your other partner as a step parent and I don't see how you can have other serious relationships without your children ever interacting with them. I know that a lot of step parents end up feeling like they're being kept away from a child they helped raise and are scared that the child might feel abandoned. How do you deal with this while also respecting their right to leave for any reason when children prefer stability? Even if your partners currently say they would help wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:30 PM
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I think that being confident in your words and actions is masculine. To me, avoiding a conversation is weak and therefore not masculine. What I don't understand is how someone can conduct themselves in a masculine way and then draw the line at a simple conversation. If you're going go around and "sow your life oats" like a man you should be man enough to say how you feel and anything less than that is avoidance which is weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:14 PM
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If you're the guy who can have casual relationships why are you so afraid to bring it up? No matter what the reaction is you can probably find a new casual relationship so what's the concern? If you know that your actions can emotionally hurt others, contribute to a dating environment you don't like, and you have the privilege of options what reason do you have not to simply say it? It comes across as a cop out to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:10 PM
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How does your partner feel about not being chosen to have children with and if they don't want children why would they want to be in a relationship with that on the horizon? If you were to get divorced does you partner have a say in custody since they're also a part of the relationship or does their opinon not matter because they didn't marry you? Monogamous couples often struggle to have an active dating life once they have children so how do you imagine balancing time with your child, fiancé, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:08 PM
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Marriage to nothing after sex is a big jump. Do you think there were no doubts or red flags before stating that intention and having sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:02 PM
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If you can identify that difference why not tell the person which one you think of them as?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:00 PM
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Wanting to have casual sex and "spinning plates" is seen as masculine. If you want to be masculine in that regard why does the logic somehow change when it's about confidently stating your opinon and beliefs? Are you saying that men who think they shouldn't have to tell someone that they want to keep things casual are weak even though they somehow found the strength to have sex in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:59 PM
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Why? If a man willingly gives his money and does relationship activities why would he be wrong for thinking he was in a relationship? Based on that same logic why would a woman who's "giving sex" (since that seems to be how men think about sex) and doing relationship activities be wrong for thinking that she was in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:55 PM
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What he's describing sounds like traditionalism but being able to support a family financially is the main role of the man in this relationship structure. If he can't meet that standard he's hypocritical for having those expectations. How is it not also transactional for men who are not beautiful to be chasing beautiful women?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:52 PM
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If you do relationship things with someone for months and then say you don't want a commited relationship you are being manipulative. If all you did was fuck and leave only for someone to say they thought you were serious I'd understand but that's not what I see happening in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:50 PM
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Can you give an example of what you mean by this?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:47 PM
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I just think it's weird that men will claim to be strong and be scared to communicate their desires. No one has to do anything but if y'all are claiming masculinity, this doesn't align with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:45 PM
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Do you think it's acceptable to lead someone on? Do you have the same opinon when it comes to men being in the friend zone or used for money?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:44 PM
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If you know that there's a good chance someone has the wrong idea of the relationship you have with them there's no reason not to check in. If you're truly desirable they might accept it but the fact that you won't admit the truth makes me think you're concerned about finding someone else. If you're going to act immorally, stand on it and don't hide from the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:41 PM
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Poor character is poor character regardless of what others are doing. You're certainly allowed to knowingly act inmorally but you're contributing to the world you criticize which I consider morally weak. If you want to act that way you have to have a certain level of desirability because no one accepts that behavior from someone without the looks to back it up and since you're saying this as some sort of threat, I have to assume you don't meet that standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:38 PM
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If they're having sex how is she not attracted to him?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:33 PM
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You're telling me they went from wanting marraige to not wanting to be with anyone at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:31 PM
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I completely agree and as an only child, I get the problem of unlearning selfishness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:08 PM
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Exactly. It's like how poor white people have to believe that DEI is the reason they can't get a job rather than the fact that they are just doing worse than a black person.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:03 PM
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Most fathers in particular won't beat their daughters (not that they should beat anyone) but that doesn't mean girls don't get disciplined. In general girls seem to internalize negative feedback and use that to avoid making the same mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:02 PM
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It sounds like you have a definition of love that's not compatible with long term relationships which is fine if you're not looking for one but I don't think that's the case. Your perspective reminds me of the traumatized women who try to give access to their body in exchange for love. It doesn't work for them and it won't work for you so I hope you can overcome that mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:27 PM
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For sure. I don't know if you've seen the show Alone but it shows that too much of either IQ or strength can be detrimental.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:58 AM
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Can you give an example based on your own life and preferences?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:42 PM
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IQ doesn't necessarily correlate with survival or ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:33 PM
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Are you masculine based on aesthetics and finances?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:26 PM
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If you were a western man with resources you wouldn't need to go to another country in an attempt to have more leverage.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:25 PM
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What do you mean by investment? Do you think women should pay for a man's law school or something? I get your point about alignment but you're losing me on investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:22 PM
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How do your current preferences and red pill strategies help you find a woman who meets those expectations?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:20 PM
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That's so true lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:00 PM
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If you're asking for sympathy and have a negative attitude you're unlikely to receive it. Even in replies OP has been rude so I don’t think he even wants responses from women, he just wants to vent.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:24 PM
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He's literally upset that strangers on the internet aren't giving him the answers he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:22 PM
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Why wouldn't looks be one of the main determinants when human sexuality is based on looks and attraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:19 PM
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Can you give an example of what you'd consider gaslighting? Some men think a woman disagreeing based on her life experience is a slight against him so I want to make sure we're on the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:31 PM
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Do you think that response would encourage women to tell men that they're unattractive? Do you not care about how your actions might hurt other men in the future?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:28 PM
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Social media has made average pretty so anything less than average is unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:26 PM
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What would you say in response?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:14 PM
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If the sorority girls told ER that he was unattractive what would he have done to them? Even things like the button or pop the balloon shows how aggressive some responses to rejection can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:14 PM
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Are a lot of straight people likely to publicly claim a relationship with a trans person compared to a cis person? They could get appreation from gay men who are notoriously promiscuous so why go through the trouble of transitioning when they have no dysphoria.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:12 PM
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According to the data that's how they're voting and looking for in a relationship even if they don't meet the expectations of the framework.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:10 PM
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I agree that your partner should find you attractive but expecting them to think you're a model when you're not is ridiculous. Celebrities are attractive and that's why they're famous but we live in the real world with real people so that's not the expectation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:08 PM
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Do you think the idea of pretty privilege is black pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:06 PM
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Someone's attractiveness has nothing to do with how they conduct themselves and finding someone attractive doesn't mean you'd want to be in a relationship with them as an individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:06 PM
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I think guys define their equal as whatever type of woman they want. If the men in question are below average then a thin woman is not his equal yet they'll act as if they have no preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:04 PM
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The way y'all talk about these women is the shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:02 PM
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Who did she cheat on and why would she want commitment from someone who is reportedly not monogamous?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:01 PM
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If you think some women are destined to be abused and some of your rhetoric aligns with that of the abuser I'd like to better understand your position.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:58 PM
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If you know that straight people are less likely to choose trans people what is there to max in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:57 PM
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If you think tailoring your message is bad it makes sense why you're not being received well. Changing how you talk to different people like a boss or someone who has the power to change the things that you want is normal. Talking in the same way you would to a peer is not the best way to get the change you want to see. It's a matter of strategy and if y'all are so concerned about people not caring about men's rights you might as well try it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:56 PM
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I have to put it in a way this man will understand it because the obvious idea that pretty people can do things others can't is something folks here don't seem to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:53 PM
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If a woman does choose a poorer husband and faces difficulties of any kind she would also be blamed for not choosing better. No matter what a woman does, someone will find a way to blame her so if I'll be blamed regardless I'd rather not live in poverty.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:52 PM
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It's a basic premise of marketing and communication that you want the person delivering the message to be someone the audience likes. Tailoring your message is the best way to bypass that basic instinct and possibly have your message be heard. With that said, it they don't want to hear it from you there's no reason to say it in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:46 PM
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Why do you attribute these changes to feminism rather than a reaction to men who want conservatism? Women know what that looks like so it would make sense to avoid it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:42 PM
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Those trends aren't necessarily related to men's actions because there are other sociopolitical forces at play. I also don't think it's fair to say that men are becoming better when economic opportunity is so low.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:39 PM
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Who would have thought that someone with no ethics can cut more corners to reach their idea of success faster. If they're friends with someone they find so morally reprehensible they should find new friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:38 PM
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If they're not performing the script of masculinity by approaching they shouldn't expect a traditional relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:36 PM
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Exactly. I don't know why they act like money is an arbitrary standard when without it, life is terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:34 PM
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Exactly. The very idea of masculinity is in crisis with the lack of economic opportunities and it has severely impacted people's desire and ability to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:33 PM
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Women are being radicalized into deciding whether or not a relationship is beneficial for them? If you want to do a cost benefit it's not even a good idea on paper. The blame should be focused on economic conditions which reward individualistic attitudes towards everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:30 PM
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If a man is not a chad and his preferences are the same as a chad hus standards are too high. This includes body size and body count.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:42 PM
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There's a difference between a woman you admire telling you to try a different strategy and a man who wants you to choose him saying the same thing. As a man, your perspective is too biased to take seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:40 PM
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If you think relationships are all life is then you truly aren't fit to be a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:37 PM
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People are allowed to have genital preferences but I have nothing against gender affirming care.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:34 PM
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Without taking hormones an incel trying to get more options by being perceived as a woman is no different than a femboy which is explicitly not a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:29 PM
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Most trans people struggle to pass which significantly impact options.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:27 PM
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Most lesbians want lesbian sex not PiV so incels wouldn't be able to provide the relationship a lesbian most often wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:26 PM
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Most straight people aren't as interested in trans people so I don't think it's as viable a solution as you believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:20 PM
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The way you say things matters and impacts how it will be received.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:19 PM
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Are you attracted to abusing women?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:18 PM
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The messenger being someone who's not a part of her dating pool is certainly not a good way to get the message accross.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:14 PM
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If you're saying that men only have bad options the better choice is to be alone then to end up in a bad relationship but men are too needy to make that decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:13 PM
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Everyone's attractiveness standards are at the point that they find attractive. Anything less than that is someone they don't find as attractive and men say they don't want their partner to see them that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:11 PM
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Someone describing themselves as a nerd often means that they have a belief about themselves that they aren't accepted or are less than. Those insecurities can really impact the relationship because of the amount of reassurance that is necessary for someone who fundamentally believes they don't deserve you. Personally, when someone says that I take them at their word rather than trying to make him feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:09 PM
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If men were constantly helped what would make them a man or more specifically not a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:05 PM
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When you don't know someone there isn't a pattern to recognize. What matters more is how people react when they realize something is wrong rather than if they've ever ended up in a bad situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:04 PM
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It sounds like you're concerned that you won't be seen as an exciting guy because anyone who thinks highly of themselves wouldn't come to that conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:00 PM
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People as individuals can't easily be boiled down but most people have a general aesthetic. What you're describing as your style comes across as very flat so is it possible that a woman who is intentionally feminine wouldn't be interested in you because you aren't presenting in an intentional way?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 07:36 PM
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Could your stance towards fashion (and presumably other things) be part of the reason people you want aren't drawn to you? It's not about the specific article of clothing but the overall aesthetic. For example a fitness girl who wears matching two piece workout clothes, a martial arts girl who's down to spar, or something else entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 07:33 PM
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Casual includes a lot of aesthetics. Are there any particular ones you're drawn to or put off by?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 07:30 PM
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So you think that a woman who dresses scantily intentionally would want someone who wears t shirts?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 07:29 PM
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Where did you get the 70% data point from? Would you say that men's new interest in looksmaxxing is them becoming more feminine?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 06:25 PM
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Masculine doesn't automatically mean male. No trait is exclusive to a certain gender but it can be interpreted differently depending on who's doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 06:23 PM
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Where did you find the test?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:46 AM
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Maybe you didn't intend to make it sound this way but within your statement, there's an implication that women have easy lives because some are more desirable. I wanted to explicitly counter that idea because I belive it is the source of the anger, jealousy, and frustration men have towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 10:02 PM
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Anyone who's desirable will get attention so don't act as if it's exclusive to women. When you implicitly say that only women have beauty you both put yourselves down and center your problems on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 09:56 PM
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Do you think autistic people can't be physically attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 05:58 PM
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What do you mean by chad in this context?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 05:48 PM
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Pretty is a privilege but men aren't prohibited from accessing it too. If you want to say that the average man is less desirable I'd agree but being desirable doesn't insulate people from harm as much as you'd think.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 02:25 PM
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I never said women have as much difficulty as men based on their level of desirability. I'm saying that the fantasy you attribute to all women is actually not attainable for most. If the fantasy isn't attainable for most then that's not what men should be comparing their level of desirability to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 02:23 PM
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Well y'all act like the average woman has that privilege when that's simply not true. Also, most people are monogamous and wouldn't willingly "share" their partner. Some might decide that their standard of living is worth the cheating but at that point, there's no love and that's when I'd say it stops being a romantic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:40 AM
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I recently watched a video on how most of masculinity is actually defined by femininity. Some of it might be men thinking with their dicks but even in all male environments, women are still brought up even if it's about a woman being impressed by something a man does.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:31 AM
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Why don't they have sex with other men like the Romans if it's just biological? If it's only about nutting the partner shouldn't matter right? I personally don't believe this and think that men see a woman "allowing" him access to her body as validation of him as a man which is why so many men are currently struggling with their sense of masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:28 AM
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Can you give an example of what you'd consider a woman standing up to her peer group?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:25 AM
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Y'all are acting like women all have some sort of rich prince charming who will save them from poverty with no expectations. Most women know that fantasy isn't reality and secure the lives they want for themselves. We're all fighting for everything in life under capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:23 AM
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Men and women often have different definitions of danger so while what you're saying makes sense on the surface, you're frame of reference is different. I'd also point out that these statements are the very basis of a lot of red pill talking points despite the statistics showing that most men don't even want custody or contact their children after divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:17 AM
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At least for me, I don’t think that what I'm looking for is unattainable so I belive it's the same for men. I'm not saying men have the same amount of opportunities as I do but that it's not impossible even if it is difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 05:44 PM
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Again, it's masturbation and has nothing to do with another person let alone a man. I actually do wish straight videos would mirror the intimacy of lesbian ones but there aren't nearly as many.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 07:49 PM
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Assuming you're a man, it's strange to be so interested in another man's sex life. Like get off his dick
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 05:39 PM
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When I say secure I'm talking about the health and longevity of the relationship not how he views himself in comparison to others. When someone cheats they're doing so with the expectation that the other person will still stay because they're just that desirable. Her leaving immediately and publicly stating why shows that he's not as desirable as he thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 04:21 PM
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Men are constantly talking about how hot she is and sliding into her DMs. Why do you think she wouldn't be seen as desirable to that degree?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 04:18 PM
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We have got to be serious. She's on the cover of magazines, constantly being thirsted on by men, and that's on facecard alone. Most guys look and act like the personification of bread.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 06:22 PM
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Megan also has men in her DMs so what's your point? Making the choice to break a promise to be loyal and exclusive is an issue of morality and reflects a person's values.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 06:20 PM
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Idk his status is pretty low and folks are wishing him ill will, injuries, and balding.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 06:18 PM
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Exactly but they'll never admit that women won't let things slide even if the man is a supposed chad
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 06:16 PM
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Obviously he wasn't as secure as he thought since she left him, put him on blast publicly, and is reciving public vitriol from every corner of the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 06:15 PM
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I sometimes see a few basketball clips on Instagram but I don’t know specific players unless there's something different about them like Luka Doncic for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 06:12 PM
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No literally. It's loser behavior to need to limit someone to get the outcome you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 03:52 PM
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I wish I was making it up but folks here really say that. I'll see if I can search for an example but I know for a fact that I've personally experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 12:06 AM
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Quite the opposite. Most women like when their man is a munch
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:26 PM
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Some people have more help than others but at the end of the day there are still material expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:20 PM
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I don't disagree with you entirely but I do think that when you are chasing after someone because you see them as objectively better than you, you have to bring something extra to the table if that's humor, hobbies, or money. You don't have to chase after someone but if you are, that's what you're up against. I do believe that people should independently want to improve their lives and not expect a partner but it seems most men reject that idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:12 PM
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How is it materialistic to say that partners should be equally yoked in terms of looks? Isn't that the idea of a looksmatch?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:09 PM
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What are you considering black pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:05 PM
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It's society and men who put motherhood on a pedestal with their complaints about lower birth rates. Because women are the only ones who can give birth they're asking for an incentive rather than accepting the current deal which doesn't pay off for them. I have no problem competing economically and because I know that I am capable I see no reason to settle for less from a man I would then be reliant on. I also have no problem with the focus on looks and think it's a good thing that men are takin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:05 PM
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We are living in depressing times and for decades women have been given tranquilizers and anti depressants to deal with their home lives. Nothings truly changed, it just looks different.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:57 PM
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Mindset is not the problem, the material reality is. Most people live in urban areas and not farms so without the need for physical labor or threat of child mortality, there's less need for children. Adding in the cost of living, cost to raise a child, and cost to send them to college it's no wonder that the calculation doesn't even out. Do you want your granddaughters to be unemployed with no economic prospects and multiple children?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:56 PM
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Are you referring to pretty privilege because men can also have it. If it's not exclusive to women it's not a female privilege, it's just being attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:54 PM
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If you want to talk about being valued for simply existing which is to say being desirable then it's arguable that many can't meet that standard. Y'all act like men's "love" toward a stranger is anything more than lust.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:53 PM
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Have you never heard men say that women are irrational or crazy for having certain standards? When a woman says that she doesn't want to date a poor man she's called a gold digger. When she says she wants to date someone she's attracted to she's called a Chad chaser. If she says that she cares more about love than looks they say she's denying men the chance to feel desired. No matter what a woman does, it's the wrong choice in the eyes of some men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:51 PM
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Yes, having good public transit and having to prove that you have a place to park your car makes people less likely to want or need a car. In the US things are significantly different so it's not comparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:47 PM
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Exactly. I don’t know why these men are so surprised that pretty privilege exists when women have been talking about it for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:33 PM
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I think that everyone should compensate for things they are lacking so I don't see the problem and don't believe it has to be through money. It's not crazy to expect your partner to find you desirable but it is a bit crazy if you have that expectation while lacking in any desirable features.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:28 AM
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That's about relationship dynamics and not arousal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:25 AM
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There's been a lot of discourse about this and I'll see if I can link to a video but it's based on the idea of hetero fatalism and white womanhood. It's normal and almost expected for either gender to say that they are displeased with their options but at the end of the day, there's still an expectation that everyone will eventually partner. All of the "men are pigs" rhetoric from her is just venting about struggles, not a genuine hatred. The sexualizing is arguably not for men but I think it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:23 AM
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It's not about who's doing the pleasuring, it's about women imagining themselves being pleased. Masturbation is inherently selfish so what would you expect?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:19 AM
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Most men want to pay for the first date because they want the woman to see him as capable. You may have a different mindset but that's how most men seem to approach it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:17 AM
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Why do you think someone has to deserve beauty, admiration, or desirability? That's just their lot in life and they aren't wrong for acknowledging their privilege. Also, women work every day so I don't see your point. At this point, women are asking men to have the same things they have and still, some men can't meet that expectation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:15 AM
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Having a car costs significantly more money in those places and public transit is also really good.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:13 AM
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Queer people have by definition shifted their perspective on gender and expression. Most people are cis and straight so I don't know why you'd expect the same sort of shift.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:10 AM
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Everyone is forced to pay taxes and at the end of the day, the people you're talking about live in poverty and it would be unkind to essentially kick them while they're down. In divorce, it's often 50/50 in terms of assets but that can change if one partner stayed home with the children. For custody it often goes to the primary caregiver to avoid changing things in the child's life but either parent can make an argument for why they deserve more custody. I really don't think y'all care about the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 12:08 AM
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I see your point but the obvious solution is that she gets an abortion or put the baby up for adoption. I can only assume that this girl never planned on having a future like going to college which is why she thinks it's okay to be pregnant so young.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 06:40 PM
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I don't think they want to be cucked in real life but I think it's become a fantasy and turn on for them. Just like at this sub which is constantly calling things cucking from a woman having previous sexual experiences to women wearing form fitting clothes. When basic things are considered cucking the definition of love itself becomes blurred and unattainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:43 PM
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When men say that they want someone with "similar values" it never quite lands with me because we all know that if given the chance, these men would have as much sex as they criticize women for. Some might genuinely be religious but if they are, they shouldn't be looking at secular women and should be in community with others who have the same opinions on sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 01:26 PM
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They should tell because it's a threat to the other person's life but honestly, they shouldn't even be dating in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 10:16 PM
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This is an interesting perspective. Men aren't sexualized enough and it impacts the sexuality of both genders. Women only see women being shown as desirable and men never see themselves as desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 09:58 PM
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Do you have the same feelings towards your own body?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 09:55 PM
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It's definitely impacting men because it's made watching someone else being pressured normalized. There's so much rhetoric and fear around becoming a cuck and I think that's because the cuck role is how a lot of men have engaged their sexuality through porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 09:53 PM
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It is strange to not have a strong sense of identity regardless of gender but that can be due to trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:33 AM
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I have always said this
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:22 AM
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I have to agree with that
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:20 AM
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Reject. I date people who look and act like adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:18 AM
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If she's not a part of the LGBTQ+ community and not being homophobic I don't see the problem. If she fell in love with a masculine aesthetic and now he's no longer that it's valid to not be attracted to him anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:16 AM
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They might have got you about the sense of masculinity lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:13 AM
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Men can certainly be selfish even if you as an individual are afraid of acting that way. As you pointed out, it's a personality trait not exclusive to any gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:12 AM
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Some women say that they feel restricted by the identity of being a woman but I never had. Being a woman has often helped me have common ground with other women in new situations and I haven't noticed my gender impacting me in the professional sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:08 AM
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Are you the type of person who feels like they need to save everything around them since they didn't receive that growing up?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:05 AM
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Most of the men who struggle are neurodivergent which is often off putting for the general public so they end up coming across as rude. Some autistic people say masking is not being true to themselves but at some point, if your symptoms impact your relationships to the point that it impacts relationships, it might be time to address those symptoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:05 AM
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Everyone understands why these men are resentful but having a hoe phase is a benefit of pretty privilege, not simply existing. If someone is doing something outside of the typical age range they will likely face questions and possibly less acceptance.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:01 PM
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Are these corporate, professional women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:55 PM
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Being rude or ugly isn't a permanent state of being so I don't see your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:55 PM
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How are you defining respect and do you dislike common stereotypes about men such as them only wanting sex, being seen as selfish, and being seen as a threat?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:52 PM
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I don't belive in god so maybe that's how I am able to hold that mindset. I see relationships as something solely within my control and if it goes badly I have the free will to make a decision for myself. I saw a video that said "having a boyfriend isn't embarrassing, you are" so I'll see if I can find the link for that. My point is, if you think men are in a bad situation with relationships the thing you can do is make a better decision for yourself, not being outraged at someone who doesn't ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:51 PM
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They aren't acting but if that's why you first liked someone and they stop doing that, you're unlikely to keep liking them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:44 PM
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Why don't you see loyalty or support as a performance as well? We know that men often start to feel unloved if their wife is more focused on kids or work and may even cheat if that happens. Losing a job may seem external and therefore unfair but even external events like losing a parent can impact a woman's ability to be supportive towards a man when she already has a lot on her plate. Everyone is under pressure so I don’t know why men think women are exempt in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:42 PM
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As long as men consider some women too ugly or unsuitable for a relationship they shouldn't be surprised that women also have a threshold.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:38 PM
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It could be argued that all interactions are a performance so would you say that women are loved more or less when they do things their partner likes? Him providing her with a certain lifestyle is based on how attractive she is and how she makes him feel. If that changes so will his provision and I think that's valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:36 PM
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If that happens take the L and move on. If someone thinks money is a good replacement for interactions with you they don't like you and there's no reason to be in a relationship with them. Love possibly fading is the risk you take with a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:32 PM
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I think women enjoy emotional intimacy so I don't know why you'd think women wouldn't do so with a long term partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:30 PM
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The fact that you had to mention the psychopath hiding the parts of themselves they know are bad shows that even they know that love isn't unconditional.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:28 PM
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Love is not supposed to consistently hurt you. A team losing is not an affront to an individual person but cheating for example is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:26 PM
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It sounds like you may have some attachment issues so I hope you overcome them before you end up in an abusive relationship that ruins your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:24 PM
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Would you keep a dog that kept biting you and everyone around you or would you rehome it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:23 PM
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Through plastic surgery people can look very similar. Men may like certain features but there are others with all that and more. If it can be perfectly replicated by someone else it's not innate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:22 PM
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The halo effect might have allowed matt to stay relevant but he won't be known as a comedy great.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:16 PM
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Even if they never lived it, they still long for a fantasy where they can be rude, ugly, or unconditional in some way and still get an attractive partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:13 PM
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Are you trying to get laid or be more well liked as a gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:12 PM
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If competency is measured based on educational attainment there's less reason for men to be seen as more competent across the board.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:11 PM
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Can you elaborate on what you mean by this?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 08:17 PM
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It's political because it overlaps with economics and colonialism. The idea of who is allowed to count as pretty is ever changing as we've seen in recent years with Asian male leads. Not to long ago they were degraded and considered weak which shows how quickly the tides can change. Facial symmetry and harmony are absolutely important but specific traits such as skin tone have been used to deny people access to the title of pretty.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 08:15 PM
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I know it's not the answer you're looking for but I genuinely can't imagine myself in that situation based on how I make decisions and what I find attractive. I've never had a "hear me out" crush or anything like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 08:10 PM
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Men see a highly controlled family unit and the mindsets it creates then decide they want that for themselves. These men then find out that the family control extends to who the woman is allowed to be around or marry so gaining acceptance is the most important thing. The real problem is that a man who couldn't succeed in the US probably doesn't fit the standards a traditional family has for their daughter.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 08:04 PM
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I don't think that would happen and if my friends and family have objections I'd expect their opinions to be more about behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 07:37 PM
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As I said in another comment, I am not scared enough of cheating to compromise so much on looks and behavior. I also don't believe in his so called loyalty so based on my own definition and needs, he wouldn't meet my standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 07:35 PM
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I'm not measuring morality or feasibility, just pointing out where people decide they don't want to comprise. I think its good to have standards but I think that men should admit to the ones they have rather than saying that they would marry any woman just because she has a vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:54 PM
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I don't care what he does, I'm just pointing out that if men have things they don't want to comprise on they should understand when women do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:53 PM
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As in difficilt to fathom. Who's to say what's insane? It could be argued that you not preferring a morbidly obese women is an insane standard but I doubt that's something you'd comprise on and that's okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:38 PM
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Societies form into governments based on the idea that by delegating decisions and aid to a those with the necessary knowledge is the best way to do so. The word society can refer to both the population of a country and the government itself depending on context so let's not play semantics here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:36 PM
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I'm not saying that's the only reason you're struggling but if you yourself have implicit preferences why is it inconceivable that women would as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:32 PM
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The government is supposed to help the poor because that is the social contract of taxes. I have no sexual obligation to a random man just because he finds me attractive. There's a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:31 PM
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When you say that you're giving women money I'm assuming that you're doing so from a place of abundance rather than mutual aid. If you're making enough money to give it to someone else you probably aren't around people who would openly ask you for it. Maybe I'm just not empathetic but I'll be dammed if I give a random man I just met money simply because he asked. I might direct him towards social services but by giving him money the foundation of our relationship would be me giving him money. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:29 PM
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If I know that I don't want to be their solution isn't it better that I don't listen when I know what the ask will be?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:21 PM
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I consider asking for money to be kind of low class so what types of women are you interacting with?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:18 PM
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Do you want a woman who looks closer to a troll than a human? Do you care about her sexual past? Are you okay with outside children? Do you have a specific age range that you'd prefer? Are you okay with her being fat? My point is that y'all have implicit preferences even if you don't name them. Edit: check out this video https://youtu.be/wrkWT8MrkK4?si=j9R1goDE1QA3vRAU
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:11 PM
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Using my analogy of an ocean trawler, attempting to use one when the body of water is too small will only ruin the pond because it's not the right tool for the job. If you have a net bigger than the puddle you're trying to fish in it's more likely that it will simply snag and not catch any fish because again, it's not the right tool.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:09 PM
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I agree but you'd be surprised how detrimental some fathers can be towards the mental health and development of their children.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:06 PM
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Well if your foot has sepsis and is holding you back it might be the better solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:05 PM
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Men do benefit from sexual validation and can want to recive it but it's typically framed as "yearning" or "being down bad". The idea of adopting a more feminine appearance to do so with the goal of being viewed as a woman isn't what most men want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:04 PM
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No I'm pointing out that I too belive in a beauty standard. If a man doesn't meet those standards based on another woman's metrics he probably won't meet them based on mine. A relationship can increase your social standing based on how desirable both you and your partner are so things like that matter. I also have no desire to share a man, be a side chick, or work through infidelity so I don’t think that your harem theory applies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:01 PM
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I'd say women are objectifying those men but from what those men say, they enjoy it. By in large, women don't but since there's no thought police, it won't be a problem unless something is verbalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:57 PM
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I think they want to recive comfort more than they want to be taken care of in the traditional relationship structure sense. If they were to be a stay at home husband without a job they would likely loose access to certain aspects of masculinity since money is seen as power.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:54 PM
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Choose a type and adopt the aesthetic until you become it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:22 PM
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Do you really believe that all women are with men who are constantly cheating on them?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:20 PM
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All relationships are a risk and I am not terrified of being cheated on because I know that my reaction is to leave. If a man can't relate to other women he probably can't relate to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:17 PM
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If he's not attractive to anyone else he's probably not attractive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:15 PM
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Why would it matter to me his reason for wanting a relationship? He lacks something that matters to me and therefore isn't eligible for me personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:14 PM
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Being loyal is a character trait so if the only reason a man isn't cheating on me is because he is not attractive to do so, I don't want it. It's like the difference between attempted mrder and mrder.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:13 PM
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I've spoken to a lot of women who wear hijabs and they say that even more men come up to them because they think that these women will fulfill their sexual fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:10 PM
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Men can make money selling themselves to other men and if they were attracted to men, they would do so. As long as a woman is seen as desirable she will have the upper hand so you'll just have to let it go.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:06 PM
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Are you religious by any chance? Looking at your replies I've been wondering if your insistence on modesty is a jealousy of female expression more than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:20 AM
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I watched this video from Hamza (https://youtu.be/Uma-7oWjuCM?si=TWidG9oatkvEcxPC) who I consider incel adjacent which repeats most of the points you have here. I really do understand why men are envious of women but I don’t believe that a man has to ge absolutely perfect to get any attention at all. It's interesting that you see femininity as the only path to being seen as attractive. One example I think of is how the influencer Jeff Wittek is said to have some feminine features according to Qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:00 AM
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I never said that high school students are all knowing but they're going to be the next generation so understanding their perspectives matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 12:10 AM
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If he may only get one chance he shouldn't fumble it for something within his control.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:58 PM
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Fishermen use different tools depending on the situation. If the situation is a small lake you don't need an ocean trawler and the same applies to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:57 PM
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If the current strategy is not working why not try something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:55 PM
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The world doesn't coddle them but after being coddled by their parents, the real world (especially relationships) can be a shock.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:46 PM
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He's more concerned about his ego so I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:41 PM
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Most mothers would rather give the child they carried to a stable couple rather than a single man with no relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:39 PM
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Which law are you afraid of and why do you think you're incapable of overcoming it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:38 PM
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Exactly. A pretty young wife isn't gong to want an old man with nothing going for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:37 PM
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There have been polls of high school students showing that boys prioritize children more than girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:35 PM
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There's no way to know what an individual wants but based on how men in general parent, I don't think they want to be the only parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:33 PM
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If a man is already behind the 8 ball in looks he can't afford to lose any points on fashion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 03:55 AM
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Even if they aren't they're probably the demographic you're most qualified for.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 03:40 AM
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Being more precise when you know that your pool is already small will never be a bad idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 03:39 AM
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Why do you care if they go to hell or not when they have already shown that they don't want you and don't want to live by your rules?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:35 PM
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Then why are you arguing with secular feminist women when you shouldn't even be considering them?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:20 PM
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Most women are secular so your religious explanations and rules don't apply to them even if you want it to. The fact that you're struggling just means that the type of women you want, which is a fantasy only truly experienced by very few men, simply don't want you. Either move on or change your expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:19 PM
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It seems fat, ugly, single mothers should be who you should seek out based on the redpilll.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:17 PM
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Men already have a small dating pool so casting a large net into a small pool is ultimately useless. Men have to adapt to their individual realities and selling point rather than trying to appeal to every woman out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:16 PM
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Most men say they don't want a long term relationship with a promiscuous woman, prefer virginity, and ask about amount of sexual experience. They may not be using the exact same words but it is still a mindset based on fear of missing out, insecurity about comparison, and purity culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:09 PM
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Somehow women overcame the social conditioning that told them to stay home and be submissive why can't men overcome their conditioning? They were raised by a mother but still looked to their father as the example of manhood and most likely wanted to follow in his footsteps in every way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:10 PM
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How do mothers who often work nowadays parent their children? If men are so concerned about how their children turn out why won't they spend less time at work to ensure the outcome he seeks?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 02:45 PM
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Based on that, single mothers are protecting and feeding their children with no childcare help. Right now, men are not financially able to feed themselves let alone an entire family.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 02:44 PM
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I think that once you become an adult it's up to you to change your views and preconceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 02:43 PM
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The potential bias can be overcome if the man can make a good enough point that he should get primary custody even if he was not the primary caregiver for the child. It would be an uphill battle but if a man cared, he would fight it. At the end of the day, it's about what is best for the child which is why the burden of proof is so high.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 02:42 PM
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Nowadays, most parents work so in the case of a sole financial provider, the man in question most likely sought out that type of relationship and woman or asked her to stay home. If men don't want to overcome their "corruption" no one else can do it for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 02:39 PM
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The fight for gay marriage was a difficult fight and I don’t think men are willing to put in the same effort for circumcision even if some have been negatively impacted by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 02:35 PM
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I know it's a remnant but it would still be an uphill battle against the idea of religious freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 11:00 PM
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I had a conversation with a woman irl and she had the same experience as me so I don't think it's that uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:44 PM
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Aaron Pierre was my sexual re awakening and seeing as most men are calling women whores, women are in fact having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:36 PM
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You are saying that your advice is for the good of women. If you don't stop after being told they don't want to hear it what you truly wanted was to impose your will on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:34 PM
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Your biggest opponents would be religious people who believe their God told them to do it, not women. You can fight against them but considering the medical severity of a lack of abortion access not being enough to sway religious people I don't know what argument you could make that would work.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:32 PM
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I'm just embarrassed for her. I'd say she's already being held accountable by her terrible life outcome and there's no need to pile on when she knows the options available to her. Some women don't want better for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:15 PM
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If you're drafted you then become eligible for military benefits like owning a home. I can't think of a better stake than that so there's no need to do more.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:13 PM
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What do you think bodily integrity for men would look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:06 PM
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If you list out the specific causes and rhetoric you plan on talking about we can better prepare you for potential reactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:04 PM
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Do men actually want help from women? Most men say they feel emasculated so I don't see how that would work in reality. You may not want to hurt or manipulate anyone but I wonder if you see that shyness as something that makes her as vulnerable as you might feel. Why do you think men are so afraid of an experienced woman and instead hyperfixate on virginity?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 02:51 PM
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It's interesting that you didn't put yourself forward as a solution to her problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 02:43 PM
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At least for me it's certainly not a turn on but some women are more proactive and dominating with their sexuality so there's definitely some out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 02:41 PM
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Men get a different title of a hobo sexual or a trophy husband. Other times women's friends and family will say that the man is bringing her down or using her. Men are always looking for a shortcut seeing as they often fall for get rich quick schemes like crypto or gambling so I'm not sure why you'd say this. Just because men exclude themselves from the definition of a gold digger doesn't mean they don't fit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 02:39 PM
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I'm sorry to hear that and I highly suggest therapy to overcome how your parents made you feel to have better relationships in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 02:28 PM
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How is it messed up that not everything is for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 02:20 PM
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Based on that women have to pursue rich men because it helps them provide for future children. Men don't have to procreate and a lot of their desire to do so is based on societal pressure.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:53 AM
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If you're happy with a pet more power to you but the average person wants a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:51 AM
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Then sell your homes or stop complaining. Your home value is higher if the school system is fully funded which comes from taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:50 AM
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You won't end up receiving every benefit available just because you pay them but you are contributing to the system that also helps you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:48 AM
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You should stop telling women what to do since we've said time and time again that we don't need your advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:46 AM
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What was your mother like because I wonder if that's a contributing factor. Did you feel like she kept you away from your father or used you as a bargaining chip?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:45 AM
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If you're that worried about control you may not be ready for sex or relationships and that's okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:41 AM
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Men say they want the woman to keep the child so why is it torture to give him full custody? Y'all make fun of single mothers, object to abortions, and then think it's wrong to leave a child with their father. Pick a struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:39 AM
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It's mostly men complaining about the "fertility crisis" so it's obviously not that bad of a deal for men. It's basic biology that men don't control whether or not they get someone pregnant so I don't see your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:37 AM
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If I were a man I'd get a vasectomy because folks can't be trusted and the procedure can be reversed. As a woman I got on birth control before I was even sexually active so precautions are important to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:34 AM
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Most men don't make enough to be concerned about alimony. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:32 AM
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Sex is supposed to be enjoyable so why would you want to have it with a woman who doesn't enjoy you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:51 PM
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They might be desprate but they still acknowledge that the woman they are choosing is considered ugly to him and society as a whole. Knowing that women have more leverage and choices why would a man think that women would choose an ugly man over one she's attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 02:05 PM
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Did you think the distinct type meant ugly or not attractive in some way?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 02:04 PM
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I had the same reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 02:02 PM
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Why are men acting like they would choose to marry a troll simply because it has a vagina and isn't mean? If men know they have standards why are they surprised that women do too?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 02:01 PM
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I just don't understand how they thought women seeking a nice guy meant an ugly guy in the context of sexual relationships. Sex is about attraction so it would make sense that attractiveness matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 01:58 PM
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Exactly. He's good for someone else because he's not in my dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:05 PM
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It's not uncommon to not date in high-school so I don't see your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 03:52 PM
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Attractive men who want a long term relationship, meet my expectations, and are attracted to me are in my dating pool. If a man isn't interested in a long term relationship or a relationship at all it doesn't impact me because he wouldn't be in the pool. I'm not upset to have less people in my dating pool and I certainly don't want any unwilling participants.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 07:22 PM
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The men complaining aren't opting out, the simply never started. In the current dating market men have very few active choices available to them so yes, it is comparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 06:33 PM
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It's not different than an attractive man being gay. If he was never in my dating pool why would I care?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 04:33 PM
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It's men who say they've been deprived of the chance to be desired when they find out that a woman chose him for anything other than looks. It's also men who say that casual sex is better than long term partnership because it shows that they could be chosen without having to "jump through hoops" for sex. Sexual desirability and pragmatic alignment through marriage are not the same thing and in a world where relationships are built on love and attraction, it simply wouldn't be feasible.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:49 PM
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They would probably just be used by the epstien class as a source of food but maybe they get off on the pain they cause a mother by taking her baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:26 PM
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Most women oppose the draft which is something men often bring up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 06:34 PM
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Everyone is allowed to have preferences and complaining that you don't meet the standards some has won't change their preference. The politics of desirability are a real thing so maybe you should look more into that discourse for sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 06:19 PM
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What things are women demanding that could affect all men?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 06:17 PM
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It's dependant on the context but in general, men seem to bring up sexual preferences in extreme detail that is not socially appropriate. No one cares about your preferences unless you start denigrating those who don't fit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 06:13 PM
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Then talk about those things and not dating dynamics because there's no sympathy to be found there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 06:09 PM
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But he can help himself because he's a full grown adult with agency. He's not a child so why would he be treated like one?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 06:06 PM
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What warmth are you expecting from a stanger?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 06:00 PM
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If an adult man is infantile in some way then he would be disabled correct? If your point is that people don't help the disabled then say that but I don't see how maternal instincts have anything to do with an adult stranger.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 05:59 PM
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Why would an adult need a mother's help in the way a child does? Grown adults are not considered weak so they wouldn't need protecting in the first place regardless of looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 05:56 PM
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If you know those statements aren't true and aren't interested in the woman where's the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 05:52 PM
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If a man is this risk averse he's not a good man for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 05:50 PM
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If you're concerned about those outcomes there are ways to prevent it but if you don't take those steps I don't think you genuinely want a relationship and that's okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 05:49 PM
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That's the biggest risk you can think of? Imagine a so called worse case scenario where a woman goes online and says that you're gay or intimidated by hrr. When she explains that you rejected her the comment will be taken with a grain of sale and forgotten. It's really not a big deal or reason to not date if that's something you genuinely want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 05:48 PM
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The incentive is desirability and if the men in question had that they wouldn't be struggling jn the first place. If you need to split costs there's no reason it can't be with a friend or random roommate rather than a romantic partner. At the end of the day, I don't know why you'd want to be with someone who's only there out of necessity and isn't attracted to you but that's just me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 05:43 PM
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That sucks. Maybe befriend men who have the aesthetic you can most closely align with and use them as a way to enter social circles with women who are seeking out that look. Hopefully starting with male friends might help with the avoidedance.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 05:39 PM
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I was thinking more of a college educated non binary fem presenting woman who hikes but go off I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 05:34 PM
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What attributes of yours do you think make you a 4 or 5? If you gained more muscle could you potentially be more aligned with the stem military aesthetic rather than the more grunt aesthetic?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 03:05 AM
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Maybe you should look into the niche of the outdoorsy hiking and rock climbing type of guy since you do like the outdoors but don't have a build focused on aesthetics. An outdoorsy woman probably cares about nature, climate change, and votes democrat which is pretty in line with what you are. You might run in to some queer leaning women in the nature community but maybe you could be more flexible on the gender and pronoun stuff if that's been a problem for you. There's definitely a niche for you…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 03:01 AM
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To continue with the section 8 example some women may choose to have sex with men they aren't actually attracted to but the key word is choice. Renting to section 8 tenants is extremely risky because they often cause serious damage so many homeowners decide not to rent to them. They have decided that they'd rather deal with tenants who actually have the traits they want and can pay market rent. The section 8 for sex is prostitution but y'all seem to think you're above that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 02:52 AM
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Bullying doesn't have to come from peers, it can be from family, the media, or the enforcement of beauty standards. It is somewhat entitled but so is seeking love and connection even though it's completely human. I think the difference is that men can use standing up for a woman as a way to spark a conversation while women see it as a reason to not interact so that they don't become the next target. You wouldn't hope that your partner would stand up for you in any way they could?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:12 PM
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Why should they be shamed any more than men who say they have a crazy ex or are being kept away from their kids? Anyone can be toxic but to be toxic and accepted you have to be pretty enough for people to allow your behavior and that's regardless of gender. What they're upset about is that they aren't pretty enough to get away with it and no one wants to hear complaints from people in the out group.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:05 PM
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Women are doing what they want in relationships so why don't you consider it fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:52 PM
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So you don't care about billionaires making you poor and stealing your future? And y'all say that no one cares about men lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:51 PM
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Who is pressured into working in healthcare or reciving healthcare? Everyone including the doctors and patients are there because they want to be and can decide to stop at any time. Even in housing, governments do have incentives like section 8 to provide affordable housing but it's up to the homeowner to decide if they want to participate in the program.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:48 PM
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Odds can be controlled but people's decisions cannot. The apps try to show you people you'll like and they still can't do that well enough to keep women engaged.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:46 PM
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How would that work for new users if they aren't being shown to anyone? Do you think it's the number of likes and matches a woman has that causes her to not choose certain men rather than her simply not liking the man in question? The disadvantage men have is due to their lower desirability, not the app or algorithm.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:45 PM
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Toxic people are able to take advantage of human instincts and social norms to ingratiate themselves with vulnerable people. This world isn't fair in any regard and it's toxic people who keep it that way
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:40 PM
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Sometimes men who are insecure consifer any man who isn't meek like him to be an asshole. Their opinon isn't always based on fact or experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:38 PM
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Men often use the real idea of the women are wonderful affect to say that women never receive criticism or face accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:33 PM
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When the narrative is that all men always want sex a rejection seems unfathomable. It would be like a homeless person saying no to your money when they've been begging.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:31 PM
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Not every fantasy needs to be played out in reality. Contrary to popular belief, some people are okay with things staying fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:19 PM
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Someone made the person I'm replying to have self esteem issues and I'm assuming it was a bully. While you knew that it would ultimately be up to you, did you ever hope that someone would help you so that you didn't have to struggle alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 08:39 PM
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I've had a lot of female mentors so my experience hasn't included the type of envy you're referring to but I know it happens. Knowing you're in Europe does change things because in the US barely getting by means you have no Healthcare and would need to go to a food bank after one missed paycheck. If you know that house work isn't valued why would you sign up to be measured based only on that? I really wasn't trying to be mean spirited but I thought the context was similar in terms of hoping for …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 07:46 PM
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What you said about how you believe high aspirations impact character reminds me of the rhetoric used to make slaves (in the US) rationalize why they deserved to be enslaved. I'm not saying you're a slave but just pointing out that similarities in rhetoric. Why wouldn't you want your work to be recognized just because it's not dangerous? You are a valuable person so why do you think your place in society is to be unrecognized? When I say living without struggle I don't mean epstien levels of wea…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 05:21 PM
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If she was the one putting in the effort you still wouldn't go for it? You may not care about status but you know an objectively more attractive person and how that can improve the opinon others have of you right? Do you disagree with my second point about how women are viewed when they say the exact same thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 05:07 PM
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Women older than 35 having a child is considered a geriatric pregnancy meaning they do more frequent tests because of potential risks. It doesn't suddenly become impossible to be pregnant after 35 but men do in fact have sperms abnormalities that affect whether or not it's able to fertilize the egg. This can include the sperm not moving fast enough, not being able to get through the walls of the egg, or the egg simply not becoming fertilized due to some incompatibility. Pregnancy is not so cut a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 05:04 PM
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All humans want approval and being higher on tbe social ladder gives you a better life. Why else would people strive to be more and more beautiful to receive pretty privileges?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:56 PM
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I'm saying that's exactly how women feel yet it's only women who receive push back when they say this. When a woman says that she finds Chad attractive but marries her looksmatch men say that she settled and doesn't actually love him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:55 PM
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How is it anecdotal to say that even someone who was bullied as a child can live a good life? If they still have all the attributes that got them bullied before it might not be successful but if they grow into their features they'll probably be okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:53 PM
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Are you attractive and in an environment where men actually have traditional wives? A lot of men say they want traditional wives but very few actually end up with one in real life. If you aren't having kids and know that the economy is bad how do you imagine you can be a good wife who meaningfully contributes to the household?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:50 PM
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I'm sorry it came accross that way but I think your stance makes more sense knowing your background. I'm not from that sort of background so the idea of being okay with struggle isn't what I've been told to strive for or desire. Do you think you could provide for yourself better than your husband can? When I think of waiting for a man to provide for me who's struggling to do so my mind goes to how feasible it is for me to save myself. Kind of like how it wouldn't make sense to drown waiting for …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:47 PM
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Do you have a response to my other two paragraphs?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:42 PM
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It's true that most playboys have always been that way but that doesn't mean the nerd will never find love. The nerd would have to start from scratch but that doesn't mean it's impossible or insurmountable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:41 PM
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Are you trying to say that you're only attracted to women you consider your looksmatch? Does that mean you aren't attracted to celebrities? Also, how are you defining your looksmatch based on your own stats?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:39 PM
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Why would a random person's smile turn someone on? I'll only speak for myself but I don't like the whole loud chest thumping performance some men do. With that said, achievement is still something that matters to me personally and is something I look for in a partner. Seeing someone you're attracted to having a good time is a good feeling. There is a concern of being with someone who makes you be perceived worse but that's not really about "having the bigger prize". To give an example, I can't i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:35 PM
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I hope this doesn't come across as rude but is barely getting by how you imagined your life would turn out? I'm sure you love who your husband is but if you could choose again would you choose someone in his financial position?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:20 PM
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Most everyone regardless of income live paycheck to paycheck so maybe you're thinking of not being concerned about unforseen expenses. A man that's able to make enough to support a family probably has a job that keeps him away from the home. As long as your definition of stable doesn't include an extremely present father it might be okay but I don't think that's what you're looking for. Can you think of any pop culture movies, shows, or moments that reflect the type of life you're thinking of ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:18 PM
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Dont worry so much about being called a gold digger. The men you want won't be offended and the only men who are wouldn't be able to financially support you. I personally think it's a bad idea to be a housewife but if that's what you want for yourself make sure you have some amount of work experience, social security contributions, and only have the number of kids you think you could take care of on your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:14 PM
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God forbid a man doesn't get to live out every fantasy he's ever had.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:12 PM
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But you still find her attractive correct? If she wanted you would you reject her in favor of who you consider your looksmatch to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:11 PM
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Considering that most people end up in relationships and the fact that a lot of people have experienced exclusion and some level of bullying, I don't agree with your statement. While most people wouldnt associate with someone being bullied while in school it has no bearing on their future possibilities especially if they move to a different area.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:10 PM
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If you aren't actively dating or using apps (which you shouldn't because you say you're religious) you aren't actually in the trenches. If you don't have a first hand account you're just speculating which is okay but it means that your statements should be taken with a grain of salt.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:08 PM
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I think she's just not making smart decisions. I'm thinking of Amoranth who went on Caleb Hammer's finance show and talked about how she has property, franchises, and multiple streams of income not based on her being a public figure. Obviously she's an outlier but there are smart ways to advance your actual goals while still being a sex worker.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:06 PM
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Did you ever imagine someone bigger and scarier than the bullies standing up for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 03:08 PM
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I think that's somewhat valid but it's important to make sure it doesn't become the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 03:03 PM
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What's the negative effect if most casual sex doesn't result in pregnancy and condoms are used? If you're that concerned get tested before being married but casual sex itself is not the problem considering even someone in a long term relationship can end up with an STI from a cheating partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:50 PM
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Being with an attractive spouse is a way to climb the social ladder so it's not that different.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:43 PM
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The difficulties doctors are concerned about in older women are often about carrying the pregnancy to term. Sperm abnormalities mean that the egg simply won't be fertilized.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:42 PM
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Men who are against casual sex often say that women who engage in it are used up and unsuitable for marriage or commitment. Maybe you really are concerned about STDs but that's not the concern of men who are jealous of the fact that women have an opportunity they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:33 PM
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I don't initiate and I barely send likes but that's just me. With that said, some women might "initiate" but it's probably not in the way you imagine and not the type of women you'd be compatible. That type of behavior is more common in a bar environment but that is most likely nog where you'd excel so I wouldn't worry about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 12:55 PM
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Lowkey lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 12:51 PM
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Looks are also superficial so what's the real difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 12:47 PM
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If a woman knows she has a mental or physical disorder that she sees as worse than death, I think she's well within her rights of bodily autonomy to terminate that pregnancy. What medical procedure do you think someone can be compelled by the government to receive? Even 7th day Adventist can decide to not get a blood transfusion if it's against their faith. I don't know how you expect a fetus to be removed in a non invasive way since even miscarriages can take a number of days to fully clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 12:45 PM
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That is a crime that can be reported to the department of health but that's not the concern men who say casual sex is bad have.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 12:37 PM
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Surprise, that's the mindset of a young person who looks objectively better than the person who desires them
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 12:35 PM
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When women say this yall say she's Chad chasing. If you're an older man attempting to date a younger woman you're also Chad chasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 12:31 PM
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Women with PCOS can also have those things but they often gave difficulties getting pregnant. Demonstrated ability matters more than whatever guesses you're making.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 12:30 PM
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Men definitely have sperms abnormalities. It's not been heavily researched compared to women but it contributes to difficulties in pregnancy and conception.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 12:28 PM
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If you're a man trying to date an attractive woman you're also gold digging so maybe you should be embarrassed of your dating strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 12:26 PM
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Gross for having sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:55 PM
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Exactly. The fact that there's no way to show proof and that be labeled as such can follow you your whole life is the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 01:04 AM
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Having sex isn't moral rot, it's human and it should be something that's fun. Sure, some people go overboard but that's true for everything including avoiding hedonism. If you consider sex to be moral rot you're free to not have it but most people don't believe in whatever mindset you believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 01:03 AM
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Having sex with a consenting person for fun is not at all harmful but being a "violent menace" as you say, is definitely harmful.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 01:02 AM
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It might be straightforward in the way an organ transplant is straightforward but it's a completely different level of difficulty. If it was possible I think some women might choose the artificial womb option but others are choosing an abortion because they think that child shouldn't be born in the first place. Whatever the reason, the state does not have the right to choose for an individual regardless of what technologies exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 12:58 AM
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Considering how wounded people who grew up without a mother feel, I don't think the role of a mother will ever be obsolete. From what I've seen from people with this experience they constantly question why they weren't enough for their mother to stay or want them. They don't seem as bothered by a father leaving because it's almost expected but when it's the mother who was supposed to be the first person who wanted you, it hits different.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 12:55 AM
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Men aren't providing for women because they don't have the economic capacity to do so. It's simply an equal contribution if the man can't be the sole provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 12:52 AM
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Most men don't want to be single fathers and they want someone there when they get home who's happy to see them and thinks they're attractive. It's also important to note that not all men want children yet most still end up married because a potential child isn't the only reason to marry or co habitate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 12:51 AM
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I don't think anyone should be shamed for having sex because sex isn't bad or wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:23 PM
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The values that say its better to have your first sexual experience with a spouse are based in religion. Some men who believe this might not be religious but they are certainly socially conservative. Regardless of why they have these beliefs, they don't need to concern themselves with women who don't hold their same values. If you want to lose your virginity to your wife that's fine but you don't need to tell everyone else that they're disgusting and going to hell for not living in the same way …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:22 PM
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The circumstance is still the same because it's still about having and desiring sex. You are making a value judgement based on difficulty because that's something that concerns you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:31 PM
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It would mostly be religious men who think that way, and they have no business trying to date secular women who don't have the same values as they do. The actions of secular women shouldn't even be a topic of conversation or concern for someone with those values.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:29 PM
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Losers are the last group of people who should think they're allowed to say things that are objectively wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:11 PM
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There's a difference between attraction and desire. I'm saying that women are just as attracted to chads as men are to supermodels. Despite that attraction, most women won't feel an actual desire to have sex with the man in question because he hasn't done anything for her to react to. My point is that desiring pretty people is human and that acting on that desire based on simply looking at someone would require spontaneous desire, which I don't think most women have.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:09 PM
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Men not having casual sex, shaming women for having it, is obviously a cry for help and a product of their own jealousy, but that doesn't take away the hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:04 PM
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The circumstance is having and desiring sex, so yes, it is in fact a hypocritical double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:02 PM
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They already lose the unlimited matches they have, and by limiting them to 3 women would be less overwhelmed and more likely to respond to the likes they've received.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:52 PM
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It's not spontaneous desire to be excited around pretty people, it's human.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:49 PM
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The context is doing more for someone you see as unattainable who's showing interest in you, which is the principle of pretty privilege. Do you think you would give less or more attention to someone you consider a 9/10 compared to a 5/10?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:47 PM
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If that were true, the idea of a supermodel wouldn't exist. Someone can only be a supermodel if they're above average and have traits that are seen as desirable and unattainable to the average person. Unless you're trying to say that you don't like supermodel traits, I don't see how the attraction could be the same when someone has less of the features you like. Almost everyone would go out of their way for a model, especially if that model showed any attraction to them. Maybe your point is that…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:45 PM
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Would you have different rules for a super model compared to a fat or promiscuous woman if that's something you care about?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:31 AM
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So you're struggling with anti blackness and you're own views on the desirability of black people?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:29 AM
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No literally. I'm like where is Mother Superior of the Bene Gesserit to teach me the voice so I can manipulate men lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:28 AM
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No literally. The men who talk the most about not wanting to be a cuck are really just cucking themselves by talking about the sex another man is having so much. It's honestly a shame
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:24 AM
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If you're defining stability as being stuck in a marriage you don't want to be in I guess that could be argued but if that's what stability is, I don't want it. I only have one life and I won't spend it unhappy just because women in the past with less options than me did.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:22 AM
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Men aren't in relationships to propose to a woman so that would make sense. I thought y'all said women aren't being chosen because they're such whores for having sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:13 AM
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The most common reason for divorce is money and cheating. If a man is unemployed for a long time and ends up being divorced by his wife, the turmoil of losing his job is compounded by the divorce which may lead to him deciding his life isn't worth living. For some people, losing their job is enough of a reason to stop living but for others, the added stress of the end of a relationship is the straw that breaks the camels back. If you want to believe the narrative you've described that's up to yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 11:01 PM
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No because I think behaviors exist in all humans but that some people have the ability to use certain traits more than others do. The idea of something being negative is a matter of perspective and based on who is harmed by the action, not an objective measure that can be applied across the board.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 10:58 PM
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There's a difference between a hierarchy among peers and structurally not being allowed the basic freedom to make your own decisions. It seems men would rather they have no freedom as long as the next man has none either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 10:52 PM
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You're saying that marriage rates are down because men don't want the available women. I'm saying that if those women liked them, men would marry those women. Since you didn't dispute that idea even though you consider it a bad decision I am assuming that you understand that in practice, men aren't deciding not to choose women, women aren't choosing them. There's a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 10:49 PM
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And some men are idiotic or do you think every man makes objectively good decisions? Do you think a desprate man in particular would make a disciplined and principled decision or would he be overcome by lust?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 08:05 PM
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Were they actually trying to have sex with him or did they just want to be near a pretty person?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 08:01 PM
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Are you upset that more than white men are seen as viable options? Why you'd care more about the productivity of an economic system that doesn't gaf about you more than the happiness of real people is beyond me but that's beyond the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 07:57 PM
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Is that not the goal?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 07:53 PM
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People are unhappy due to the state of the world and their economic prospects. If those things are solved, people might be more likely to enter relationships but a relationship alone won't fix these major problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 07:52 PM
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Do you think that men would give up if they knew just how bad their chances were?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 07:43 PM
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That post doesn't break it down by gender or account for the fact that whatever led to the divorce is probably something that's bad enough for someone to not want to live with on their own. When you see a woman in the hospital after being abused her male partner isn't usually in the gurney next to her so even if reciprocal abuse does happen, I don't think it's to the same degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 07:42 PM
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You're telling me that if a man who has received no likes on every dating app and has had no dates was put in front of a woman open to marry him he would say no? That just doesn't align with the complaints men have which are often that they would accept anyone who was slightly nice to them. Y'all can't have it both ways and say that you're at the whims of women while also saying that men are thr one's who won't marry women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 07:37 PM
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Their success is already dependent on women. Men's ability to swipe is a false sense of agency because even when they end up in the likes of a woman, he's still not seen as a viable partner. Do you think men would like to keep swiping but be given the information about how much they're being seen and unmatched?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:45 PM
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Well men have to be realistic but once those 19 year old female chads that every man wants wouldn't match with you did you change you're strategy?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:41 PM
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Using an economic lens is probably the best way to explain this because it makes perfect sense that sellers (of relationships) would be focused on what buyers (women) want more than buyers are concerned about the seller. We know that some cars (men) don't sell as well in certain areas because the demographics that enjoy the features they have simply aren't in that area. We also know that buyers can get very overwhelmed by the amount of options and just decide not to make a decision after hearing…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 03:06 AM
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Isn't it better for a man to know that he's not a part of anyone's pool rather than holding out on the hope that they are being seen by someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:51 AM
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People just end up unmatching because they aren't attracted to that person and that's okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:47 AM
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You're allowed to feel that way but I don't know why you think women should care about your opinon since they never asked for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:10 PM
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Based on what you're saying women are the prize in a man's life because he wants a relationship so badly. It seems men are to blame more than culture. It's not an abuse of power to decide not to do something.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:08 PM
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Who do you consider a female leader and what is the serious issue in your opinon?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:02 PM
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How are you defining the respect you believe women aren't showing men? Why do you think women don't already see men as human even if they still aren't interested in a relationship with some men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:00 PM
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If you're talking about Tinder, the only goal is to hook up, not a long term relationship where someone's character matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:50 PM
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Men are saying that they want to be exploited and women still decide not to date them so no, I don't think that's the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:49 PM
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Why would you hate someone for a choice they made about their own life?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:46 PM
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You haven't named the so called bad behavior so can you provide some examples of what you're referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:44 PM
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