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Considering the question you posted is literally part of Feminism 101, I don't think you're really in a position to be speaking as an authority on what is and isn't misogynist. Your comment makes no sense. If I wrote something that was obviously misogynist in Feminism 101, and I said it was misogynist, then what I wrote would be in agreement with feminists. With respect, you need to sit down and spend time reading and listening to older, more knowledgeable feminists. You talk about misogyny as i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 06:13 PM
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Unfortunately I had to scroll down to the bottom to see this. Good comment. Upvoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 04:11 PM
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Some people believe the earth is flat. Some people believe that life on earth has only existed for 6k years and dinosaurs and carbon dating are liberal lies…some people are morons. I agree with you. That doesn’t mean that everyone else needs to be bound by their beliefs or have the right to blame anyone else for their behavioral adherence to beliefs that they don’t agree with. I agree with you. So what are we talking about here?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 02:30 AM
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Then your view isn't misogynistic. As long as you don't believe men or women should or shouldn't act in a certain way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 12:21 AM
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If men didn’t want something from those women, they wouldn’t pursue. If women wanted that same thing from those men, they would pursue. But some people believe men pursuing and leading should be the norm. As I stated previously, I'm referring to people's beliefs and not what someone would or wouldn't do. I guarantee that all of those “norms” were more damaging and misogynistic. I agree with you that the norms you mentioned are more misogynistic, but that's not really the point of the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 12:19 AM
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But it's changing. That's a good hint that it's largely socially driven. The slope or trend is just as important if not more than the current value.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 11:36 PM
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I would be willing to bet that a lot of norms like these are gonna change in a generation or two.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 11:31 PM
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You explained it much better, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 11:29 PM
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Men don’t have to ask women out, pay for that first cup of coffee, propose marriage, lead etc. They choose to do so because they want something that they think will benefit them. Obviously they don't have to if they don't want to, but you're missing the point of the post. The post is about the people who believe these norms should be upheld, not what they personally do with their lives. Both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 11:26 PM
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You didn't explain how something being born out of misogyny automatically means it is still rooted in misogyny. Can you explain the difference between "born out of misogyny" and "still rooted in misogyny"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 11:23 PM
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Well, I like all those things in a man, I guess thats misoginyst of me. Luckily my boyfriend thinks im funny as well, but it probably wasnt a requirement Do you think men should have those qualities, but not hold the same standard for women, or do you simply prefer those qualities? That makes a huge difference on whether your views stem from misogyny or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 11:22 PM
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"you'll never get a man if you ..." Is a very common phrase heard by women too. Your point is diluted. Good point, but it's far more common to hear phrases like "get a woman" don't you think? Do we call it 'misogyny,' or do we call it the evolution of societies where everyone had it rough, everyone died early of disease, war, childbirth, or backbreaking labour? Women were valued much more highly than men (and often had their rights curtailed) because they have precious wombs rather than valueles…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 11:18 PM
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Read my last sentence in the post: "It doesn't mean that they are misogynistic, but they are doing something that stems from misogyny."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 11:03 PM
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Do you understand that women who like traditional dating customs will not give a single shit about buzz words like “misogyny”? Like why should I care? I date men who make me feel safe, protected, and cherished because they are attractive and they will look out for me. Yup, that is why I added this last sentence: "It doesn't mean that they are misogynistic, but they are doing something that stems from misogyny." Men initiate because of biology. Men initiate because demand for women is higher than…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 11:02 PM
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What do you think of these posts? https://np.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/s/BajAdzrPSO https://np.reddit.com/r/sex/s/KAVO3nuoJj
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 02:56 PM
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I asked this question to men in this sub and apparently the majority of them don't have sexual fantasies about random women. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/4iwnMC3GiX Also, in this scenario, are you picturing her enjoying it or wanting it, or is it just something you do to her or her body parts, which are imagined in isolation? Whether I get turned on depends quite strongly on what she's wearing. If she's wearing a cropped top and booty shorts, I'll be much more likely to get turned …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 12:39 AM
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Well, what's the answer? Also, what does neurodivergent mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 09:44 PM
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To get attention, specifically to appear "tough" as one would as a member of a gang?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 09:30 PM
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To get attention, specifically to appear "tough" as one would as a member of a gang.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 09:26 PM
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Ok. I might try that one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 09:12 PM
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I see. Seems like a transparent enough answer!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 09:12 PM
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Why do some guys wear their pants so low that you can see their boxer briefs? ✨fashion✨ LOL the guys who do that are trashy. You know those guys who do that are more than likely to be wannabe thugs and gangsters than good, upstanding men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 08:58 PM
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Looking at the chest of a man or woman who is revealing their chest When did I say they were revealing their chest? Do you think a woman checking out the chest of a man wearing a black t shirt and minding their own business is "detailed and elaborate" and hence being creepy?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 04:51 PM
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I didn't insinuate anything nor did I make any assumptions about what person was wearing. Looks like you didn't comprehend any of my comments at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 04:46 PM
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I said if something is being revealed then it makes a modicum of sense. What's so hard about grasping the fact that different people have different opinions on what is considered revealing? Your point is moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 06:54 AM
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You don't dictate whether someone seems to be showing off a body part or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 03:21 AM
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That's irrelevant to the post and the post makes no assumptions. I just told you that your argument that someone dressing provocatively is flawed, because different people have different views about what is provocative.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 03:06 AM
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That has nothing to do with what is detailed and elaborate. Detailed and elaborate refers to the degree to which you visualize certain body parts. You just indicated to me that visualizing someone's body parts (as in my post,) is detailed and elaborate. I didn't say anything about what that person actually looks like or how they are dressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 11:17 PM
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So a woman focusing on a man's chest at the gym is "detailed and elaborate". Wow. Any sexual thought is detailed and elaborate then. Which makes the entire phrase pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 10:38 PM
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Well obviously it depends on location. Location =/= individual beliefs. Booty shorts might be sexual to one person but not another in the same community. Baseless premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 10:36 PM
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Thinking about body parts is "detailed and elaborate"? How do you think sexual fantasies work exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 09:09 PM
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It isn’t a true statement. It’s your opinion. Wrong. Claim: It depends on whether she is dressed sexy or not. It's creepy to think sexually about someone who isn't dressed sexy. Rebuttal: Different people have different opinions on what type of clothes are sexy. Therefore the claim is invalid. That's not an opinion. That's a logically deduced rebuttal to a false premise. You repeatedly claimed to be a victim of women not explaining why. There were several people who did not give reasons at all. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 09:07 PM
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It doesn’t matter how superficial and invalid you believe it is. It's not a belief. It's invalid. That's a true statement. You can't even comprehend that different people have different opinions on what is or isn't sexy, when your point hinges on one thing being sexy and not another. Most people will agree with me, whether you like it or not. How do you know? Did you make a large scale survey of this topic?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 08:08 PM
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You asked why it’s creepy. I explained why. You didn’t like my answer. Your answer is not valid, because you're making a strawman. I did not imply "highly detailed and elaborate" like the Kama Sutra in my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 08:06 PM
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You’re over complicating things because you don’t like that someone called it creepy. I'm not over complicating things, I'm just pointing out that your points are superficial and invalid. Here, I'll try reiterating again, in very simple terms. And if it's still too complicated for you, I don't know how else to help you. Is she dressed super sexy? Different people have different opinions on what is or isn't sexy. You don't decide this, so your point is invalid. Is she making eyes at you? Eyes don…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 07:59 PM
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So? What does that have to do with whether simply imagining body parts and touching them is highly detailed and elaborate or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 07:51 PM
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It doesn’t matter if they aren’t seeking that attention. It still provokes attention. Your comment: ITS WEIRD BECAUSE THOSE STRANGERS ARENT SEEKING THAT ATTENTION. But if they are wearing culturally common , climate appropriate clothes, isn’t going to provoke people to lust to wear most things Again, it's not up to you to decide what "seems" to provoke attention. A woman wearing booty shorts and a sweater might "seem" to provoke attention for some people. For other people, they might not "seem" …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 07:50 PM
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And yes, this is highly detailed and elaborate. I disagree then. "Highly detailed and elaborate" to me means performing sex acts like blowjobs and anal on a stranger, not simply imagining body parts and touching them (which countless people do in public).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 07:02 PM
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THAT DOESNT MEAN ITS ABOUT CONSENT. IT IS ABOUT HOW ONE IS RANDOMLY LOOKING AT STRANGERS WHO ARENT DOING ANYTHING SEXUAL AND LUSTING AFTER THEM IN GREAT DETAIL. ITS WEIRD BECAUSE THOSE STRANGERS ARENT SEEKING THAT ATTENTION. NOT BECAUSE THEY DONT CONSENT, BUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING TO PROVOKE THOSE THOUGHTS BUT EXIST Lol, ok. Let's stop using the word "consent" then. I'll switch up my comment to show how my meaning is exactly equivalent, whether the word "consent" is used or not (tip: I …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 06:59 PM
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You’re doing a bunch of mental gymnastics. This isn’t about consent. I said that repeatedly. One of your points implied consent: They don’t seem to be seeking sexual attention. You don’t describe them as wearing super revealing clothes, or booty leggings or something. "Seeking sexual attention" means being okay with someone sexualizing them or wanting them to. That IS consent. I explained this to you. If you disagree, please reword your original comment. And mutual sexual attraction isn’t based …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 06:27 PM
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Usually people have casual flings AFTER mutual sexual attraction has been established. And mutual sexual attraction isn’t standing there and thinking of a stranger in an elaborate sexual fantasy. Usually you have talked and flirted and exchanged some level of conversation that makes it clear that you find each other attractive. Well, yes... that's what I was trying to emphasize. People see someone they deem to be sexually attractive, then they go up to them, introduce themselves, flirt, and pote…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 06:10 PM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 04:50 PM
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They are a complete stranger and have done nothing to indicate having a sexual interest in you. Not even a smile or something. You describe them as a complete stranger that ignores you or just briefly looks at you. But what does whether they are a stranger have anything to do with whether it's creepy or not? Having sexual fantasies about other people you just met is normal behavior; it's what drives people to flirt with each other at the bar or have casual flings. Men have them. Women have them.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 08:09 AM
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Because it's been acknowledged as maladaptive behaviour By whom? and is a sign of a normal person's drive becoming less normal. How do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 07:52 AM
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Well yes, but sexual thoughts are different to motivations and actions. So why do people have a problem with sexual thoughts? Are you saying that people here are conflating them? Actions such as violating someone's consent are a result of traits like sociopathy and a lack of empathy. A common understanding is that it's done because the perpetrator enjoys the thrill of having control and power, and not because someone seems that their victim is "sexy" (which explains why the type of outfit someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 04:10 AM
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I agree. But why do some people commentating have a problem with someone else's thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 03:32 AM
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There is no problem if someone isn't communicating it. That's my point lol. However, just look at many of the comments here from people who evidently have a problem with it. FYI I strongly disagree with some of the comments that men have written in this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 03:00 AM
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This sub is about "sex and gender issues". This includes "gender dynamics and dating" and also "goon logs about women around you" or whatever you want to call it, because it's a sex issue. If you disagree, take it up with the mods.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 02:42 AM
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I unblocked you. I did not lash out at you. All your responses are emotionally charged.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 02:31 AM
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Women also notice attractive, tall, fit, and confident men with good posture who are dressed appropriately for the environment and for the environment but they are still human beings deserving of respect. I agree. Some of these women also sexually fantasize about those men's bodies. Of the women who do, some are even engaged or partnered up. But that doesn't mean they think men aren't humans or aren't worthy of respect, because simply having sexual thoughts doesn't have anything to do with the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 02:28 AM
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I don't know about other men, but that's a justifiable thing to do and the men who are leering are being creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 02:18 AM
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I blocked you because I deemed you to be arguing in bad faith. All your responses reek of someone just trolling and not someone who wants to have a legitimate discussion. If this is the case, this sub is not for you. Your chair example was so ridiculously simple and lacking in context that no person with common sense or rational thought would just decide how to judge it based on the information provided. The fact that you can't think of any world where it isn't creepy (and believe most people ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 02:17 AM
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I agree with your view. The inappropriate, nonconsensual actions are what's really creepy. As long as I don't know about your thoughts, I don't give a fuck. A passing glance? Whatever. Just don't tell me about it. Your writing your whole sequence of thought out here ain't great. My writing of such thoughts is rather deliberate. Here I am trying to really emphasize what's going on in people's heads to induce that "ick" factor, in an attempt to have people really think about whether this is creepy…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:43 AM
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... yes? What's wrong with what I just said?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:39 AM
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That's not for you to decide. I don't need your permission to feel creeped out. You completely failed to understand the point of this post. The question isn't "why do you find it creepy?". The question is "why is it creepy?". There is a subtle distinction between these two questions, and I am in no way saying that you are not allowed to feel creeped out. Alllllllright so you're an unreliable judge then nevermind lmao You have such a simple, black and white view of the world that it's almost not …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:37 AM
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Why? If you go out in a busy street in a metropolitan, chances are that countless people would have had sexual thoughts about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:28 AM
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Sharing the fact that people have these thoughts is creepy?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:27 AM
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That is a legitimate reason. No it isn't, because there is no justification at all. "It just is" is a weak argument. You agree the example I used is creepy right? Without any additional context, I do not agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:23 AM
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"It just is" isn't a legitimate reason. You should be able to explain why.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:17 AM
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But the sort of really vulgar, intense fantasizing is creepy and offputting af to be on the receiving end on, and dudes (literally see OP) generally are horrible at just keeping it to their fucking selves. What do you think this sub is for, exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:14 AM
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Its implicit that you keep these thoughts to your fucking self. Like you yourself are incapable of actually just mentally fantasizing, and its fucking gross to constantly be hearing about dudes horny thoughts like theyre important, matter, or like they dont give me the heeby fucking jeebies to hear about This is a debate sub, and the discussion revolves around whether those thoughts (that I kept to myself) are creepy, and why. What do you think a debate sub like this is? It's to have discussions…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:12 AM
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Men are not visual creatures. They're obviously talking about visual creatures in terms of sexual attraction. It seems that you're strawmanning their point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:08 AM
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But your reply didn't explain why, when my comment was precisely asking for an explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:03 AM
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mentally treating all of the women around you as if they exist to be your public mental pornography also has real consequences, because indulging in those thoughts causes them to eventually leak out subconsciously into your behaviors whether you realize it or not (see more women being put off by men than ever and the male loneliness epidemic dudes keep bitching about) You're making a fallacious argument called a slippery slope fallacy. Let's tackle each one of your points: "mentally treating all…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:02 AM
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That all sounds creepy as fuck lmao like i dont give a fuck dude, yall treat your sexual thoughts like theyre so important. Like can yall just shut up about it then? keep it in ur heads? You haven't given any reason on why it's creepy. and yet people try their best to avoid shitting themselves in public, even though its a biological process too Shitting in public is unhygienic. That's why it's "creepy", or morally wrong, or [insert whatever term with negative connotations you can think of]; it h…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 12:40 AM
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This was the second top comment in that other post (12 upvotes): You can turn sexualising women on and off with even the slightest bit of practice. Unless you're saying that if you were a surgeon you couldn't operate on a pretty woman without getting hooked up to a dialysis machine to keep the blood moving to the brain as you operate with a giant boner. You are choosing to be a fucking creep the entire time. Take responsibility. If you're a fucking creep that thinks and behaves like a fucking cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 12:17 AM
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Like you said, I draw the line between thinking about someone sexually and acting inappropriately like staring. The latter is easy to not engage in. It wouldn't even come across my mind to stare at or sexually harass or made any other nonconsensual sexual advances towards another person. I don't have any such urges and I think that's gross. So to me it becomes creepy when someone is doing something predatory, whereas sexual thoughts imo are natural and fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 06:39 AM
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Your husband looked at all the links and still thinks sexual thoughts are disrespectful and creepy, despite all those links mentioning how normal and common sexual thoughts (directed towards strangers) are? Lol ok. Like, did your husband even have a look at this quote for instance? Having fantasies is entirely normal. "People fantasize because it is a healthy part of the human experience," affirms Dr. Jones. "While not all people have sexual fantasies, I would say the largest portion of the popu…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 03:42 PM
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Your husband looked at all the links and still thinks sexual thoughts are disrespectful and creepy, despite all those links mentioning how normal and common sexual thoughts are? Lol ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 03:35 PM
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Your husband is wrong then. Note that having a spouse does not imply that you are not asexual, if that was what you were trying to imply. Otherwise you and your husband may have very low libidos. To show how common sexual sexual attraction to strangers is, there is even a term for people who ONLY experience sexual attraction towards people they know and developed a bond with, called demisexual (this may also apply to you and your husband). Only a small percentage of people are demisexual. Other …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 02:03 PM
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So having a thought that is biologically normal and very common is creepy now? Are you asexual by any chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 01:02 PM
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I agree with your view, I was just asking for clarity on the "in your head" part, as in how one would even disregard someone's humanity in their head.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 03:49 PM
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Well yes obviously, but I'm saying "damn they look hot" in terms of sexual attraction. I'm not talking about women appreciating each other's outfits or men acknowledging each other's builds at the gym. Have you never felt sexual attraction towards a stranger? Sexual attraction entails thinking about their bodies and being aroused by them. It's a very common experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 03:31 PM
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But what does it mean to "reduce women to sexual objects in your head"? Does this simply mean sexually fantasizing about women? E.g., if I look at a woman and get turned on and imagine doing sexual things with her, is that objectifying?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 07:47 AM
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We're at a disagreement then. It's a natural, biological instinct to find a stranger sexually attractive, and a very common one. Have you never thought of someone you passed or had a brief second glance at and thought "damn they look hot"?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 04:28 AM
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While I agree that consent plays a major role, there are often different ways in which consent is used. The most common usage pertains to giving the nod to engaging in an activity, like the example you've given. Another usage I've seen is when it comes to thoughts. If I'm having sexual thoughts about a random woman, some people will argue that that's a type of non-consent where the woman didn't consent to being fantasized (as she is unaware and hence cannot give consent) and then use that to arg…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 03:51 AM
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But as I grew, I realized that the issue isn’t attraction. It’s what I do with those thoughts and whether I still see the person beyond them. My question is really about the distinction between the two. Are those sexual thoughts inherently objectifying, or does it become objectifying when those thoughts dictate my actions (towards mistreatment) and cloud my judgement of a person?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 02:21 AM
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I have amended my post a little. So your definition is more along the lines of the second definition, I assume? Are you saying that if I look at random women in public and get turned on, that is objectifying and dehumanizing?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 02:01 AM
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I agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 01:49 AM
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I agree with your view and I have amended my post. I think your view goes along the lines of the first definition I wrote. I would never make sexual remarks during moments that are clearly inappropriate and I would never not consider a person beyond their physical attributes. However, some people commented already about how it's objectification if I am sexualizing random women in my head, which falls under the second definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 01:40 AM
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