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Between work and school.. I sometimes wonder. xD VAWA does that, with one of society's basist. Vawa is bad, I have always wanted changes in the name and garbage you have to read through to get to the core bill and it is very one-sided. The misconception that I have always hated though, is that I kept hearing that VAWA specifically denies funding to ALL male assistance. It's a bad bill, but I REALLY hate when people "don't read" something that they vehemently fight against. That's because I don't…
/r/MensRights10/01/13 01:52 PM
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Sorry for the late reply and the rushed look of what I will type. I just typed up everything and hit the back button on my mouse; lost it all and actually pretty pissed about that. I needed a break from the gender stuff because it was getting to me and I got busy over the holiday season, then forgot entirely about everything I was doing on Reddit. There were once laws and systems in effect (heart balm suits, alienation of affection laws) which are no longer in existence because of the old MRM - …
/r/MensRights06/01/13 07:49 PM
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While this is true (and I am one of them - I'm pissed as hell about the things that have been done to the men in my life by women empowered by feminist-lobbied legislation) it doesn't pan out into "The MRM will become what feminism is" because it's female leaders who set the tone for those lobbies, female leaders who run the various Radfem sites, and female leaders who lead the protests and campaigns to get those laws passed We will have to see. Even if the MRM is old, it never really was big en…
/r/MensRights09/12/12 04:43 AM
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(I was going to wait to reply but that's silly because you can always reply with what you wanted to say anyway.) There would thus be no harm in having that standard, as its application would be limited to undisputed cases. I can understand that now. Throwing children into a discussion on consent is a red herring. Sorry about that unintentional herring. It's just something that relates to a personal experience and I shouldn't have used that as the main point. Still, I look at your comment below a…
/r/MensRights08/12/12 02:32 AM
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Custody I see what you mean about that, I'm sorry that your husband had to go through such a mess and that his ex seems extremely psychotic. Can't trust anyone to be in the right mind. The only problem in the arrangement you proposed, was the idea that a parent might believe the other parent is violent after the breakup. However, in all honesty, I'm sure an escort could be provided, even if at the expense of the parent that requested it. I really think they should leave the parent's gender out o…
/r/MensRights07/12/12 06:02 AM
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My own thought on this is pretty basic. I agree. Nobody should be forced to own or support a child against their will. It is not only unfair but causes discontent, fosters an unfair and unhealthy concept of balance and responsibility. The leading argument is that a mother might not be able to handle work and parenthood without sacrificing one or the other. however I have never liked the result of this because it's simply unfair for someone to be forced to pay for a child that isn't even part of …
/r/MensRights05/12/12 10:10 PM
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Bit of a side line question but seeing your a male feminist do you think women have privilege? I am just curious as when ever I point this out feminists in general are quick to say women have no privilege. I think there are areas where men are treated unfairly. There is definitely issues with parenthood and legal sentencing as well as social stigmas where women have more options than men. Do you think women are gaining up on men to gain dominance and power? But I am more curious do you think wit…
/r/MensRights05/12/12 07:38 PM
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(>.<) My brain :c You win. I could defend some of that, more or less the genuine nature of my intent, This comment is unclear. That comment was to say that something should be done about the way fatherhood is handled. Even if you had to be a WRA to be a MRA and an MRA to be a WRA, it's something to weed out the sick and twisted. That's my personal thought. Was to say that I simply don't like the hate in both sides. I hope you can understand how I feel comfortable around people who fight for both…
/r/MensRights05/12/12 05:26 AM
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I'm glad to help;) /r/mensrights is unarguably the biggest activist Subreddit. it dwarfs /r/Feminism and /r/Womens_Rights combined. If women's rights is yesterday's news, I'll be sure to give y'all some nostalgia to go on! lol
/r/MensRights04/12/12 09:52 AM
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kk :3
/r/MensRights04/12/12 05:25 AM
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I can agree that the name should have been thought out better. I feel like it was in poor taste and could have been used to support better causes.
/r/MensRights04/12/12 05:16 AM
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I go on /r/feminism daily. I have never seen a pro-castration thread being on the front page. I have also never seen such hateful words as one of the top comments (or even one of the unpopular opinions)
/r/MensRights03/12/12 11:54 PM
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Please, go on /r/feminism and say "all men should be castrated" and see what the top rated replies are. If you get a "Hell yeah!" then I am wrong, otherwise he is intentionally spreading hateful rhetoric in order to make feminist appear as vicious animals that want to destroy penises.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 11:52 PM
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Primary aggressor is the one attacking. The bill does not specify gender in this, nor should it be interpreted as such.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 11:43 PM
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Ahh, I shouldn't have expected mutual help on issues and a chance to drive out extremists on both ends. My bad.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 11:41 PM
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Please tell me what in VAWA and Title IX is specifically sexist. I disagree with title IX but there wasn't anything specific in it.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 11:36 PM
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fair nuff. I was just stating an argument to the idea that feminist should support the MRA. You're not making sense. You're attacking my defense as if I was saying MRA should help feminism. I never said that. I'm just saying feminism has no reason to help the MRA.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 11:33 PM
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Denouncing what? Everyone agrees that her pedophilia is messed up and wrong. Nobody is calling her a god.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 11:31 PM
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So do I, but at least talking about it even online is better than nothing tho. Part of the reason I think for the lack of activism is well we carry highly unpopular views that even feminists in general say are sexists and even misogyny in nature. While there are risks in being an activist I am not sure how many of us have lives to risk in doing so. Brings up a good quote about activism: Takes the actions of one to build it up, and the actions of one to bring it down. Well if one yells the loudes…
/r/MensRights03/12/12 11:27 PM
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Hah, if I could "make" every extremists or political tyrant "leave" feminism, I'd gladly do it. However, every one extremist ruins the reputation for 10,000 sane people, and political/media tyrants are best at skewing facts.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 08:18 PM
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I know what it stands for, but the name of a bill has no meaning. it's about what's inside the bill People in the MRA have said some nasty crap too. I don't expect you to back it op because they don't stand for you.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 07:58 PM
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If I seen more rhetoric like that around here, I'd feel less unhappy about the movement. Unfortunately, the person I am replying to basically says he has no women in his life, therefore he has no reason to care about women's rights. He also blatantly said that feminists would have him castrated at birth which makes no sense to me. He is a bad example of fairness.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 07:50 PM
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/b/ is a forum where people just go and fuck with each other. The majority of it is just people telling fake stories. The threads where they dox bullies (and stuff like that) are incredibly rare, but we hear about it every week because there are so many posts there. And the "Fempire" is much smaller? Many things come from there, including sexist jokes such as "Get back in the kitchen" but I don't care about that because I know where it's from. Jokes there are often meant to offend people. No, bu…
/r/MensRights03/12/12 07:46 PM
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Very true. It only takes a few vocal extremists to ruin the rep for thousands or millions of associated people.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 07:38 PM
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Ya got me. We couldn't castrate you. You were simply too aware.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 02:39 PM
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Please tell me what part of VAWA is explicitly sexist. Is it the changes to the STOP act? I'd love to know. Also, I'd love to know the others. Title IV is bad and controversial, unfair to men as well. Explicitly sexist? You might have to judge that. I don't think it is. SRS fempire is exactly what it is. It's a female oriented 4chan. Also, I don't remember hearing about a giant feminist uprise when she cut off his penis and he got it surgically reattached. I don't need to apologize for some woma…
/r/MensRights03/12/12 02:35 PM
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This is blatantly false, unless you have a different definition for rights than the reality. MRAs advocate for equal treatment. Feminists advocate for preferential treatment. MRAs protest discriminatory law. Feminists protest the absence of anti-male discriminatory law. MRAs and feminists both decry social pressure to adhere to damaging and discriminatory gender roles - but feminists blame that pressure on men, where that blame is not merited. For someone who has read my replies, you know little…
/r/MensRights03/12/12 02:27 PM
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Yeah possibly. I would actually rather it be more about activism. I think it has a similar but completely different stigma that makes people afraid of the word feminism. Many people dislike the name. I think Egalitarianism's only fault is exposure. Feminism gets much more exposure and has a longer history despite it's one-sided name. I think less people would be threatened by a more neutral term. And no, I don't use the word patriarchy. It's a pointless generalization of more intricate issues.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 01:10 PM
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Well, hopefully I see more of them, because the mere mention of me being a feminist is often the topic which gets most ire from /r/mensrights users. I have seen a few that don't care, but I have also had a lot of debate as to whether someone can agree with me or not simply over the fact that I Identify as a feminist. I do welcome all that can accept it. The ones that do are awesome :)
/r/MensRights03/12/12 12:23 PM
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Yeh, often like in many Reddits, it depends on who's online and how it's said. I didn't see the post you were referring to, but regardless, it's not the case that the whole of feminism is this giant man-hate machine. Sorry if you got attacked for a legitimate and non-biased opinion. I think some people are a bit edgy from all the /r/mensrights posters going over there and bringing the usual baseless opinion, and some people are inevitably those that just sour the feminist movement with negativit…
/r/MensRights03/12/12 11:51 AM
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Yeah, quite true. It's sad that it has to be this way. I have looked at that protest in shame and disgust. Those people, those ignorant little groups are what define feminism in the media. So many of us would never do that, yet this is how every single feminist is viewed for a lot of the MRA and /r/MensRights. I wish I could separate the crazies.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 10:30 AM
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Yeah, I can agree that "Men can stop rape" is a bad ad campaign, but in it's defense, the ads are actually targeting friends of potential rapists and not calling men rapists directly. It's often misquoted as "Only men can stop rape" It's dumb to say "Men" though when it would be better to say "Friends can stop rape" MCSR isn't something I'm very fond of. There is support for male rape victims in some feminist works such as Project Unbreakable. Still more women than men but it's nice to see men t…
/r/MensRights03/12/12 09:35 AM
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I honestly see more feminists being very supportive when it comes to men being raped. there is a fairly strong feminist support for male rape victims. However, I do see your point that there is a general disdain for feminism and some of the extremists. As well, feminism is often blamed for things they simply didn't fix. IE: Men are expected to pay for a meal and a ring etc. when that was never made by feminism but it wasn't addressed either. It's as if anything feminists didn't do for men, they …
/r/MensRights03/12/12 09:12 AM
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I don't call it patriarchy. To call it that is only a simplification of the underlying traditionalism. Traditional society is where gender roles comes from. This isn't about men or women. This is about a societal structure that needs to be torn down and made smaller. I feel that I am a feminist. I could go with egalitarian, but I think we all need a way to humble ourselves if we're going with one gender. To call yourself a feminist and fight for women's issues only is to invite fanatics and extr…
/r/MensRights03/12/12 08:52 AM
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That's why you don;t deserve to be in the MRA in my opinion. You have no balancer. You have nobody to care about that would make you stop fighting. You're obviously pretty hateful to think that feminists want you castrated at birth. What else would make you think that? This is why we should change the names of the movements, because I can't fight alongside you. I can only support men's rights with someone who cares about women's rights too. I can only support women's rights with someone that car…
/r/MensRights03/12/12 08:34 AM
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Yeh. I think my biggest concern is that fighting for women's rights as a feminist, and men's rights as an MRA, means that people who hate the other gender are empowered. I want both names to change to the other's gender. Maybe Masculinists for women's rights and Feminist for men's rights. lol The problem is that as much as I support equality for men. it literally sickens me to support the seething hatred and contempt that drives some people here. I feel more comfortable around feminists that fig…
/r/MensRights03/12/12 08:15 AM
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I find that kinda hard to believe though. I rarely find someone into both men's and women's rights. I would LOVE to see more of that but I see more MRAs into neither. If you support both then I'm all for it, but I don't support people who think only one gender has problems that should be addressed. I heard too much of that "NAFALT" from MRA supporters and not even as much from feminists. The fact that such an acronym was made suggests tat someone wanted to make up an argument for feminism so tha…
/r/MensRights03/12/12 07:55 AM
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thanks! And count me among the feminists who appreciate the MRM allies. :) I understand that people can be a bit bitter, but I think we can both agree that the resentfulness and bitter hate within our respective communities is what poisons both movements and makes it hard for us to fight for equality. After all, the only ones who can change a movement are the members themselves. I'm always happy to see a contrast to the bitter and ugly feud that corrupts and slows down progress! I understand tha…
/r/MensRights03/12/12 03:51 AM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/146894/well_this_is_new_a_feminist_forum_bringing/ Basically filled with posts about how feminism is warring with, sucking up support from, assimilate and obfuscate and basically harming MRA because a feminist put up a simple picture of supporting men's rights.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 03:18 AM
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Why should feminism support a movement that's trying to deconstruct and destroy it? Why should I as a feminist even care about the MRM until it gets more feminist friendly? Unlike MRAs apparently, if I see an MRA supporting a woman's rights, I want to praise it as I have done in the past, but the general view here is to never support a feminist even if that feminist is on your side.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 02:31 AM
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As long as you fight for both gay men and lesbians, I think this would be a positive.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 02:25 AM
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You have interesting words despite the thread about a feminist being open about men's rights is being filled with comments about how feminism is destroying MRA issues.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 02:23 AM
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That's right. When you see a feminist saying things like "Men need equality too" make sure to spit in their face and remind them they they aren't welcome in your fight.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 02:19 AM
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Most of the time it's extremism or politicians that have not been influenced by feminism in the least. Actually, enemies of feminism are often grouped with feminism because it's convenient. I find it funny that we have a thread about a feminist supporting men's rights and everyone is trying to turn it into some subversive tactics. It's nice to know, that as a feminist, I will have absolutely no support from the MRA while trying to tackle male issues.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 02:17 AM
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This is true. they can definitely help in a situation where someone is making extravagant claims or grossly over embellish a problem. Sorry to make it seem like I don't think they're useful. However, it's better when people use them to compliment a discussion rather than take them as an end all argument.
/r/MensRights02/12/12 12:17 AM
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Very true. the safest bet is to end it before something happens. I almost feel like there should be a "malicious intent claim form" or something of that nature. It would be a defense for a father(or mother as an abortion option) to be legally separated in the event that a baby is born without consent of the parent. I would think that a few things world have to be in place however. The most important being a way for the baby to have a safe home and decent upbringing, a way to ensure that couples …
/r/MensRights01/12/12 11:10 PM
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Exactly. I hate when people run around with a number shield. Statistics are only 0.936% relevant to 23.2% of people. Statistics dumb down a rather philosophical debate and personal perspective. Instead of impassioned thoughts, its all about "this gender is 56.2% better off than the other! hah! take that!" (BTW, if someone really didn't catch that, good luck finding my satirical statistics)
/r/MensRights01/12/12 10:19 PM
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Sweden is awesome.
/r/MensRights01/12/12 10:16 PM
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I have the same feelings, but I lack your restraint. But at the same time, can you say it is truly fair for a man to be put to death for lets say murder, even if the circumstances are to protect his loved ones, while the state kills directly for proxy revenge? Firstly, Crimes of passion sometimes protect nobody. Someone can claim crime of passion when he thinks his wife cheated on him. Other times, crimes of passion cause immense trauma to those who watch it unfold. They are often more brutal th…
/r/MensRights30/11/12 05:47 AM
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Who said anything about hate? The suggestion for this was simple defence, not hate. From the quote given, it seems like he was talking about walking up to a woman with a legal warrant to punch her in the stomach. I would think a WAY more sane approach is to be able to sign a document that removes him from any possible form of ownership to that child. As well, it would be good to ensure that he can never get custody of that child in the future as to avoid coercion from the mother or switchback cl…
/r/MensRights30/11/12 04:40 AM
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I'm just saying. he might be able to sue for an "Injunction" but nobody should be allowed to mess with the insides of someone they are known to hate with a bitter passion. She can be fine but it's obviously dangerous. If someone is punched in the stomach, there can be severe damage. When I was at Job Corps, a student almost died in a snowball fight because his kidney ruptured. I feel your opponent in the debate had a good amount of anger in him to suggest such a thing unless it was in jest. Anyh…
/r/MensRights29/11/12 10:55 PM
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Heh, we'll see. Your name strikes similarity with someone who had just recently replied to a couple of my comments in /r/feminism ಠ_ಠ Anyhow. Will see. If I feel like it would be more constructive and beneficial in an overall way, I think the name would represent my most common issues without being considered an instant threat. I guess one can say it's not fair to walk into the office of the NAACP as a KKK representative and expect to be treated with absolute confidence.
/r/MensRights29/11/12 10:39 PM
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Well, my intentional message is that I am for both. That my stance is neither male nor female oriented, but I stand for both. I cannot call myself a MRA nor WRA. Feminism is possible because it is as you said, an ideal. The basic premises and textbook definition is that of equality. However, I am not bound by stereotypical feminism in the fact that people can argue with me topics that I don't support. If you go in depth, I can only call myself an egalitarian as I have an equal stance on the righ…
/r/MensRights29/11/12 07:02 AM
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Meh, not all of them. Some are pretty well received. Bitterness and bias are part of single gender support. Egalitarianism seems like the only rational choice. I'm not for men's rights or women's rights. I'm for equal rights.
/r/MensRights29/11/12 06:45 AM
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Be still my beating heart...oh, never-mind, she can fix that.
/r/MensRights29/11/12 06:04 AM
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It's sad that people are actually like that though. Such bitterness and hatred lets me know that I can debate on MRA issues and agree with MRAs that there are problems with gender politics, but I don't think I can ever call myself an MRA because there's way too much bitterness and resentment that spews from the cracks.
/r/MensRights29/11/12 05:59 AM
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A punch to the uterus that's strong enough to kill a baby can also harm or kill a mother indirectly. A forced injection can cause a world of problems if someone is struggling. Intent to harm is hard to define when you're dealing with the insides of someone you probably hate. Internal for me is muscle and deeper.
/r/MensRights29/11/12 05:51 AM
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Then we agree. no discrimination, no double standards. Meh, I don't do it unless someone is intentionally pissing me off. it's stress relief and then I usually end up saying sorry if I get too mean with it. I'm nothing if not honest :)
/r/MensRights29/11/12 05:47 AM
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How the fuck do you quote things properly in here? I haven't been able to find out how and it's pissing me off. put a > symbol before it and it will quote that block of text. Fir more info on what you can do, click the "Formatting help" option to the bottom right of your text box while you're typing. 1, 2, 3, 4: for number one, I'd love to find a document for. If I can verify it, I might even have to show some people on /r/feminism to see what they think. Most likely, however, it will just be a …
/r/MensRights29/11/12 05:43 AM
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Oh, never intended it to be a thing where anyone is condemned. Just saying that if they want to train, it would be nice to leave the motivator open so they can at the very least, use their own money to try it out, and if enough pass and become good soldiers to where it's practical, allow them. If someone is really throwing some negativity at me, I'll likely respond with some sarcasm and belittlement, but if someone doesn't intend to harm or deface me, I see no reason in doing that to another bei…
/r/MensRights29/11/12 04:47 AM
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~~Sorry about that. Reddit is slow to register my comment but when I can, I'll put a just kidding. I was basically pointing out his view on women and justice in a sarcastic way. I support your view on this matter.~~ Disregard this pointless crap.
/r/MensRights29/11/12 04:20 AM
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"I got the baby...bitch died of internal hemorrhaging but I got that fucker out of her. Just exercising my right to abort." I don't think your opponent should be getting anyone pregnant IMO. I understand that he prefers the safe way, but nobody has the right to mess with internal organs. He should just go on the safe side. lol He has the right to external force, just as she does, but nobody of any gender should use internal force. Also: "This just in: rape accusations plummet once vaginal insert…
/r/MensRights29/11/12 04:16 AM
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It's justice because women are inherently privileged, greedy and irresponsible. The theory speaks for itself. Even if the guy lied to her, so what? all she did was carry it. She probably deserved it too. Think of all the men that were lied to, only to have their children take away from them. The only gripe is that she probably won't pay for it like the men do. ;) Edit: I jest, I jest! Just trying to comprehend Erasmus' logic. Seems pretty vindictive to me.
/r/MensRights29/11/12 03:58 AM
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The conflict was however defined by the dispute that there was no documentation or agreement that she was to give up the children. It's a he said-she said of what she was told before being used as a surrogate. Why there was no agreement is a bit shady if you ask me, but it's not up to me to say what information should have been known. If he purposefully lied to her so he wouldn't have to pay an average of $25,000 for surrogacy, then he doesn't deserve the children. Or, in the least, should be fi…
/r/MensRights29/11/12 03:28 AM
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I can't disagree that it's true that most women won't pass, as most men don't either. the female body is by average not designed for such activities based on how we evolved so far. The main thing is that a lot who are built to do that don't because it doesn't "look pretty" A woman with the same muscle mass as a male is generally treated as a freak or fetish. And yeah. I can take some pretty extreme beliefs but there is no reason to attack someone ad hominem. I have gone off on people accidentall…
/r/MensRights28/11/12 04:58 PM
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Feminism has tried (in vein) to destroy gender roles, even when most of them are 100% natural in origin and beneficial on every level. women have been allowed to work in most places men could work for a long time before feminism pooped up, they just didn't want to, and this is easily observed today where even the "most equal" nations like Norway where over 96% of their engineers are male, it's nature. women were also allowed to vote long before most people know, there was only a 10 year gap betw…
/r/MensRights28/11/12 04:42 PM
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Never said it was unfair. I'm just arguing that it's possible for women to be good soldiers and pass those tests. (soldier thing is more important obviously) If women can't pass, they can't pass. I don't mess with simple inabilities. However: You say it's impossible, I say it's possible, you say women are incapable of reaching a certain point of physical ability, I say that point is far higher than you think. Anyhow. If I don't feel the dire urge to reply to something else, I'll end up replying …
/r/MensRights28/11/12 08:54 AM
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Nah, text walls are fine and I'll likely come with a better reply.. but I gotta sleep too. lol And this is where I I start to loose respect for you...what works? as far as I am aware the last good-ish thing they did was gain attention for legitimate groups who wanted women to have the right to vote, but since then all the group has done is discriminate. That is right. Feminism in the past has done well to disrupt the idea that gender roles are necessary, allowed women to work in the same fields …
/r/MensRights28/11/12 08:49 AM
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That's a horrible way to see it. you ruin plenty of potential by saying "You can't do it now, you can't ever do it" So you're saying that any man who even hopes to join the infantry has to be able to join now or never get involved? We're refuting the possibilities and you're basically saying that if it's impossible now, it's impossible period. A human being is just born muscular, fat, or skinny. That's an interesting concept.
/r/MensRights28/11/12 08:21 AM
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See, what proof or even evidence do you have? You only know that it is not feminine to get that muscular. You can't tell me someone can't run a mile in top physical fitness if that person hasn't ran a day in their life.
/r/MensRights28/11/12 08:13 AM
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Well, what if I call it something cool like "NuFeminism-X" I can't relate to the MRA tag. it doesn't represent me. The general view of MRA is that of men/women who loathe feminists and their "Hatred of men" even though most other feminists I know are very kind individuals and ALL of the biggest feminist groups have male members. MRA blames feminism for things that have nothing to do with feminists and spew hate filled messages about feminism that I resent. I feel strongly that the two genders sh…
/r/MensRights28/11/12 08:07 AM
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See, I don't believe so. I believe that she's average and trained more tan most women, not that she's more capable than most women. Most women simply don't want to look like her or even more burly. It's not seen as sexy. I'm saying that she is a bodybuilder, that NON body builders are superior to her because she is all about looks and a little bit of strength and endurance.
/r/MensRights28/11/12 07:58 AM
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But you're saying leadership can change that. That means if a defined leader is misogynistic, you are no longer a men's rights activist. MRA probably wouldn't fit me. An MRA group supports men and care's about men's rights I have never EVER seen a MRA group stand up for women's rights or even mention women's rights in a way that isn't derogatory. I have only seen support for males I'm not saying this is bad. This is the focus, but they can't speak for women. The basis of the group is to care abo…
/r/MensRights28/11/12 07:05 AM
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A certain amount of fat is needed or your body is starved and unable to sustain itself. Regardless, you said no woman can do more than 5 she did 39. She is smaller than most female bodybuilders in upper body and therefore it is more than likely she is easily outperformed by women who have a better ratio of upper to lower body mass. Well, I believe what we're arguing is a hypothetical concept of what a woman can possibly do.
/r/MensRights28/11/12 06:55 AM
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In which the female and male brain have negligible differences. This is not simple hearsay. this is fact. All studies that give the male and female brain a vast distinction have been highly contested and are unproven. acquire this book and fact check. it's solid. Eventually the brain has nothing but an identity of the body it wants to wear and the gender it feels it represents. Also, chromosomes are often mixed by birth and there is no way to tell what chromosomes you bear in what part of your b…
/r/MensRights28/11/12 06:32 AM
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What defines an MRA? Who is the leader and what does he/she believe. Do you know? You want to say that but you can't because there are always splinter groups and you can't possibly know all of them. I am a splinter group of feminism. Without the feminist tag there is no tag that fits me.
/r/MensRights28/11/12 06:11 AM
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Well, a brain has basically no gender so when your body is replaced, you are no-longer a man. You can call yourself a man, you can call yourself a woman, but there is no gender by definition of gender. you're a "cyborg" if you want to call it that. It's not like the process of thought is magical. Difficult to identify? yes, but not magical. If you're religious we wouldn't be discussing this. Otherwise, it's just a matter of discovery and emulation, then replication.
/r/MensRights28/11/12 05:44 AM
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Then we're a different branch of feminism. Do all MRA groups agree on everything? thought not.
/r/MensRights28/11/12 05:41 AM
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Look at her... she's not that strong. She herself is just another huff and puff body builder. Being that thin for a male or female doesn't do good for performance. The strongest and most resilient people in the world don't usually have that much definition showing. You'd be generous to call her top 20% That's not including all the females that might have been really strong due to genetics but never trained.
/r/MensRights28/11/12 05:32 AM
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Only if you can be a woman in that autonomous augmented reality ;) Truth is though, robotics will outdo human bodies so men will not survive. We'll just be another bored machine looking for a source of entertainment. I'm sure that's good for you as the next evolution, but when we are nothing but virtual memories, there better be females. lol
/r/MensRights28/11/12 05:29 AM
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So why not wipe out all the weaker men, make all the babies stronger, wipe out some of those... the list goes on. Eventually we're only as good as the next genetic experiment. If it comes down to that, then I don't care what happens to this world. Call me heartless if you want. I'd stop being concerned. Life isn't beautiful anymore, it's just another machine yet to be upgraded. My ideal future is that people can be whatever they want. They can be strong, weak, thin, large, have male part, female…
/r/MensRights28/11/12 05:05 AM
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I don't care. you said women can't do it and they can She's not even strong as stated in the video. She's little in comparison to some female bodybuilders. Amazing what the internet can do.
/r/MensRights28/11/12 05:01 AM
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No, your core beliefs don't coincide with MRM if they are for total equality. MRM, Just like you describe feminism, is in it for the advantage and do not want to see any dis-benefit. The only thing we could possibly be called is egalitarians and leave both feminism and father's rghts in the dust...then we have to worry if whatever leader the egalitarian movement decides to do change reflects poorly on us. The thing about the fuck squad is that even if the leader is gone, a new one can be elected…
/r/MensRights28/11/12 04:57 AM
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We might as well say human bodies are inferior altogether, right? Then we're all robotic beings producing more robotic beings. that's fine and all but life itself is beautiful for me. I support in strengthening ourselves as people, but if you can replace one gender with a robot, you can replace all humans with robotics which ends flesh and blood. I am not saying flesh and blood is superior, but I personally think our mortality is what makes life dynamic.
/r/MensRights28/11/12 04:43 AM
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Hah, sorry for the stupid meme. Still, that's a lot of lower body training and less upper body movement. You still have to have an okay upper body but not nearly as much as it takes to do pull ups. I can see where "Less" is possible. That "Less" is what women might do, maybe one or two.. but you cannot convince me that a woman is incapable of doing more than five, or even twenty. I would have to be living in an alternate reality. A woman with enough upper body strength has no reason she can't do…
/r/MensRights28/11/12 04:39 AM
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A movement is defined by it's leaders and accomplished goals, NOT by the average member. Feminism is currently not seen as an egalitarian concept, because it isn't. I also think that women should have equal rights AND responsibility's, and that belief puts me at odds with feminism, and if you believe the same, then it puts you at odds with feminism. Not a feminist one has disagreed with me that women should have equal rights and responsibilities. It's misleading if you call yourself a feminist w…
/r/MensRights28/11/12 04:33 AM
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Does she even lift?
/r/MensRights28/11/12 04:23 AM
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I'm not a fan of gendercide. There's a point when the value of life itself is at stake. I admit, if I knew it was coming to that, I wouldn't really care about the future at all. As a matter of fact, I think that's why I am so passionately supportive of feminism. Honestly, there's nothing more beautiful to me than the ability of a human to want to protect another human. Behind that is human life itself. Once we start rationalizing that, making super-soldiers instead of people... I think it'll be …
/r/MensRights28/11/12 04:20 AM
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Nah, see.. a movement can be defined by it's people. Feminism was always seen as an egalitarian concept, despite what corruption and misleading information has been attributed to the name. As long as I believe that women should have equal rights to men, the rest is really up for grabs. Myself, and feminists I associate myself with, do not want men to be driven into submission and bullied like people seem to want to think. There is no reason to deny that we are feminist while we actively support …
/r/MensRights28/11/12 03:53 AM
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Pullups aren't that difficult (Well, they are but to an extent. It is lifting your entire body weight) unless you have already been doing lots of strenuous activity. That anyone is limited to 5 is surely a sign of laziness or poor physical condition. I have seen girls do around 15 - 20 straight which is usually more than I amount to. I get about 13 - 15 at a time because I'm not in the best shape. I'm assuming pull ups being like chin-ups with the palms facing outward as normal.
/r/MensRights28/11/12 03:33 AM
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Totally. I normally try to leave my snark out of it. I would really rather my message be positive. Also, now that I see how the word feminist wasn't brought up, I'm extra sorry for being in offense mode. >.< Sometimes negativity unintentionally spreads from one person to the next and it's up to me to be in control of it. I see what you mean though, there are a lot of people out there that have messed up views on what's justified and what's not. Those olden days of gender roles not being question…
/r/MensRights28/11/12 03:15 AM
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I wasn't saying that feminists care about the draft only because women can be pulled into it. Feminists are trying to equalize or neutralize the draft, just not the ones everyone wants to hear about. They don't make for good stories. I'm sorry about the snarkiness. That was rude of me, but you can see where I might have interpreted your last line "These people actually think these things. And then they say that we ignore class and race and everything else. Tch." as somewhat less than friendly to…
/r/MensRights28/11/12 02:25 AM
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That's dumb. pull ups, pushups, situps etc. are all based on your own body weight. I do fifty pushups and situps a night. I do about 20 pull ups every two days (I'm a lazy bastard) A fit female can easily best me by double. She's lighter. And I find that hard to believe that statistic since pound for pound of lean muscle, men are but around 5% stronger. Most women won't bulk up so much but some do. It's not to say all women should do it... but if she can get as big as him, she could probably pre…
/r/MensRights28/11/12 12:39 AM
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No. It means that the assumption of me was that as a feminist, I am hateful, bigoted, void of sympathy and overall evil. Not that all of that was your assumption, but I was apparently being tested for bias. The more these silly assumptions are shot down, the better in the end for me and everything I stand for. I love being called a "Feminazi bitch" only to reveal I'm male, or be told lies about my stance so I can blatantly turn it down and void the entire argument.
/r/MensRights28/11/12 12:16 AM
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The ever fleeting idealistic concept of beauty defied strength. However, since genetic mutations aren't being pulled out of the chain as many people are eligible to have children, it's only natural that our traits become more erratic as humans. The only way to defy this is to purposefully avoid women with traits such as physical strength and endurance.
/r/MensRights28/11/12 12:13 AM
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Heh, yeah. extremists in gender issues. You don't know how many times I have been told that women are inferior and inefficient, that our future is brighter if women are weeded out and replaced with artificial incubators. XD
/r/MensRights28/11/12 12:01 AM
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What about gay male feminists?
/r/MensRights27/11/12 11:33 PM
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Hah, it really is. It's more for a traditionalist or extremist. And yeah, you have to admit that it was way too tempting to pass up on a little sarcasm. Especially the last part!
/r/MensRights27/11/12 11:27 PM
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1)Support for males to be equally considered by society as victims of rape. 2)Increasing attention toward child custody cases to ensure the child's rights and well-being are adequately involved in custody disputes. 3)military and draft resolution. Be it removing the possibility of another draft alltogether or [supporting bills in place that will include women as participants in the draft] (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.5741:) 4)elimination of the societal perception that men mus…
/r/MensRights27/11/12 11:22 PM
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Yeah, feminists should have never created the Draft IMO. [they need to stop supporting the draft and only men being part of it] (http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/ff-acfp-the-military/) Ya know? I mean there's [no sign of women ever being drafted if it were reinstated] (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.5741:)
/r/MensRights27/11/12 11:12 PM
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"Better get some baby batter before you get too old!" - greatest pick-up line ever
/r/MensRights27/11/12 10:48 PM
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I have clearly been defeated as a feminist. The impermeable logic and irrefutable evidence displayed in this article has bested my views of women's rights and feminism as a whole. No few words have ever shown the evils of corrupt and greedy feminists as clearly as this mere webpage. Every feminist should read this so they can turn back from their dark and dangerous path toward the Illuminati. This should be read in depth, over and over again. "The Illuminati bankers are subverting society by des…
/r/MensRights27/11/12 10:10 PM
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I'm a white male 25 year old middle class feminist :D
/r/MensRights27/11/12 09:51 PM
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Well, I think we'll probably agree to disagree because if we ever need more soldiers than we have and half of our population is immediately unqualified and told not to train for any kind of combat, then we are weakened as a nation. It's great in small wars but I want more people ready for combat should the need arise. encouraging women to be military ready is a way to keep us strong. Telling women that they shouldn't even hope for it is a way to ensure the majority of women become completely def…
/r/MensRights27/11/12 06:00 PM
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Pull some more shit out of your ass, why don't you? You're one to talk. Were are your resources? What makes you think that women are reliably covered in a safety bubble of chivalry? The standards need to be HIGHER, not lower. It's a perfectly valid argument. So they do, and if a woman meets them, should she be turned down? They did that to appease women who by all means never intended to join the infantry in the first place. What's the harm of letting someone try it rather than losing possible s…
/r/MensRights27/11/12 05:36 PM
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Please cite your resources. Please prove to me that women are genetically incapable of military combat. If women are absolutely limited in physical strength to a point that every single man in the military is superior, then I will shut up about it. I want to find the absolute maximum weight a woman's muscles are able to life, the absolute time in which a woman ceases to function in battle, and all the limits that say women are completely incapable soldiers. Give me that and I will have no proble…
/r/MensRights27/11/12 05:01 PM
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Done. Ya got me. Your impermeable logic and irrefutable evidence has bested my views and I now wish that no woman ever left more than fifty pounds. It's physically impossible. If you were to repeat this on stage in a very public area, you could change the world. You could single-handedly eliminate the feminist movement and enact constitutionally defined gender roles and capabilities. We will then live prosperous lives and wonder why we ever went against such a perfect union. I almost wonder why …
/r/MensRights27/11/12 03:11 PM
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What does that mean? lol I'm here to learn and debate. If someone feels I am attacking them, then they should just ignore me and withhold all vital information from me as to not risk strengthening a feminist with knowledge! :O The problem with politics today is that decisions made by big names aren't attacked by logic and scrutiny. I at least know that I have put my beliefs out there to be challenged and my stance on subjects is ever changing as I learn and face indisputable facts. I know that w…
/r/MensRights27/11/12 07:31 AM
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By the time we have that future, millions of women will have had to die in combat for the sake of a science experiment, and a SMALL FEW who are capable of handling the rigors of infantry tasks. Who said to make millions of women die? I just said to let the ones who are willing and able join. Nature will take it's course from there. You're talking about something entirely different, although I might not have been as clear as I wanted to be. The modern COIN tactics have jobs that would be perfect …
/r/MensRights27/11/12 07:23 AM
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With proper training, there is no doubt in my mind that any woman can pass these tests, just as any man can. It's a matter of perseverance and knowing that you're not going to look like a barbie doll when it happens. If she's a child I wouldn't want her to start training because that's just not a biologically sound thing to do. When she gets older though, if she isn't suffering from a congenital illness, there should be no reason why she couldn't pass the male version of the tests. It's not even…
/r/MensRights27/11/12 07:11 AM
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I can accept that. I like passing these tests :D
/r/MensRights27/11/12 07:07 AM
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It means to believe in ourselves and be the best we can be so that our children thank us, rather than enforce horrible and harmful stereotypes. Our bodies will naturally change for the better unless we condition a society that benefits women for being weak and frail. A strong and proud marine should be free to accomplish for herself and be successful so that if she decides to have children, she will be able to teach them as an example that they can be powerful if they want to.
/r/MensRights27/11/12 07:05 AM
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So refuting myths is discrimination now? Interesting. Or do we have to add in irrelevant fluff to tell men that they are able to preform under male standards because you personally don't think it's fair? I'm assuming that when an uninformed girl tells me. "I'd love to join the marines but I don't want to get someone killed because of being a woman and all" I should be able to tell her "No, if you are dedicated to it, you can do it" without it being a discriminatory statement.
/r/MensRights27/11/12 05:35 AM
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I would think that my statement implies pretty blatantly that I wouldn't want unqualified people fighting.
/r/MensRights27/11/12 05:28 AM
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Good, let's get it started. Do you only care for the future in which you are alive? We are how we are because of how we have mutated and what has made it though evolution so far. We are in no way perfect, and evolution is anything but perfect. it's blind shots in the dark that is just enough to survive. Aside from that, we are more intelligent now than ever and it's time we take control of the future.
/r/MensRights27/11/12 05:26 AM
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Definitely. I wouldn't want anyone unqualified on the field. I'd rather have 100 well qualified women fighting than 1000 who couldn't work as well. I have never liked unnecessary affirmative action myself, either :)
/r/MensRights27/11/12 04:38 AM
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Oh but I do. Women who are able to lead militaristic lives will pass on genes that are likely more suited for strength and combat. Basically, we evolved into our roles because the stronger survived and bred on good genetic traits and gradual mutations which were good or bad. The good survived, the bad did not. Am I right or not? We just have to replace "Survived" with "Were motivated to lead successful lives"
/r/MensRights27/11/12 04:06 AM
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I wasn't saying that you said that. It was out of context and maybe I shouldn't have brought it up but I was saying that the belief behind lower standards for women is the idea that: "a woman is unable to pass a male exam", or that "too few women would enter." Sorry for the misunderstanding.
/r/MensRights27/11/12 04:00 AM
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I don't believe this is true, but the varying physiological aspects of both the male and female body are closer than you might think. Too many people think it is a fair comparison to put a 110lb model up against a 250lb MMA fighter. Such is an obvious attempt to belittle women who want to join the front lines. To say any test in the military is too much for any woman to accomplish is absurd and a shallow argument. The key is motivating women who could but won't try because they don't feel women …
/r/MensRights27/11/12 01:42 AM
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I have always wanted the same reqs for women in the armed forces. Lowering the standards HURTS equality and feminism actually. A woman should not be told "Oh, you made it because your standards are lower" this is not what an equal rights supporter needs. I would rather 100 women pass every man's test than 1000 pass a lower test. It just pushes the others to work harder...which is a good thing.
/r/MensRights27/11/12 12:13 AM
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This is exactly why we cannot define groups by media definition. Traditionalists and extremists have warped the identity of the MRM and Feminism to put their beliefs into generic pools as defined by the person who writes the article, and make them seem more biased than they are. They appeal to angry, bitter souls who simply hate the other gender but don't want to say it aloud. This article is an example of how Men's rights and Feminsm gets dragged around in the dirt. and in turn, it only fuels t…
/r/MensRights27/11/12 12:04 AM
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I think you're conflating what women perceive as the status of men with what they perceive as the actual qualities of men. The 'oppressed' don't think the 'oppressors' are better than them. I think the points that you're bringing up about men being only human, being imperfect, etc. have more to do with social pressures for masculinity, as I said originally. Furthermore, I don't think those social pressures are a result of feminism in any way. I think that Feminist movements are generally quite p…
/r/MensRights26/11/12 11:52 PM
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No, I don't think so at all. Why should it? That's fight power for people to say "Rape is brought on by people that ask for it by hanging around the wrong places, wearing the wrong clothes, and being too submissive about it." Rape is a legitimate problem that happens to both men and women. slapping it with false rape accusations hurts the movement that supports neutralizing the problem. Most feminist groups are openly against rape for both sexes. That doesn't exist. People born later (minors) ha…
/r/MensRights26/11/12 05:00 PM
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Well, in a 500 or so, that will be true - drugs and augmentations will take care of that. Science, you know. Well, I hope drugs and augmentation have little to do with that :) And yeah, I agree fully that there should be no racism or sexism in work and class, because these things hurt feminism and racial diversity. Giving even a little leeway for one or the other...even insignificant, provides a bunch of fight power for those who oppose it. Nope nope nope. It's a natural give and take. Every gro…
/r/MensRights26/11/12 04:50 PM
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No, I'm saying that feminism STARTED with 50/50 but in the 80s the idea changed to single parent ownership which often meant the mother. You're arguing with core values as defined by you. those are NOT my core values or values that I support. Why are you trying to fight a straw woman? Argue feminism I support. If you want to argue extreme feminism, pick and choose targets on WHO or some other similar place. Women are NOT the eternal victims, I am NOT playing the victim card (I am a man after all…
/r/MensRights26/11/12 04:39 PM
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I'm for this, because every kind of marriage I can ban is 1 step toward banning all marriages as government-sponsored elitisms. The more people unfairly discriminated against, the more allies for single folk who are inherently discriminated against by the marriage system. Would rather have gays as allies than opposition. Hah, I like this! I never supported Government weddings. I think destroying the concept of legal marriage wipes away a good chunk of equality issues right there. Kewl. But how w…
/r/MensRights26/11/12 07:25 AM
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True scotsman? Many communists wanted to change the world for the better in the 1930's... and to make an omelette, you must break a few eggs (kill a few million people for social equality). No feminist I know wants to kill millions of people for equality ^^ Life is constant combat and fight. Tooth and nail. Always. The Star Trek wonderful future is still combat and struggle, although against external enemies and perils. In our experience on Earth, there was always clash of tribes, civilizations,…
/r/MensRights26/11/12 07:01 AM
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SRS is a joke. /r/feminism is actually sporting a men's rights issue as the most popular subject at the moment and the comments are positive. Funny thing is that it's technically against the rules to display anything but women's rights issues, but just like with this subreddit, the ownership does NOT refelct thepopulation. Women's_rights actually sports a link to a female MRA group on the sidebar. I'd make a bigger post and address all the issues brought up, but I think we can both agree that it…
/r/MensRights26/11/12 06:12 AM
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Nothing wrong with it that I see unless you're taking it out of context. Did you read the part that proves my point?
/r/MensRights26/11/12 02:00 AM
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This is exactly true. Some people forget that the purpose of discussion is to separate truth from lies, not to spread the lies themselves. I feel that neither of these groups would be necessary if people simply questioned their own beliefs. Other than the bad apples, we all just want to feel like we aren't decided our rights and expectations by anything but our position as human beings. I feel the biggest problem is that people who have been subjects of tremendous acts of injustice are the most …
/r/MensRights25/11/12 11:55 PM
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I agree that the title of this document is very misleading. Sorry for my aggressive wording. You didn't deserve that. It was my assumption that you were fully aware of it's context and simply didn't want others to believe so. I take full fault for my offensive language and aggressive stance in this discussion. It's often that long arguments make me unreasonably sensitive to sarcasm. Such is often associated with underlying hatred and I often forget that it may just be a valid argument in a joke.…
/r/MensRights25/11/12 10:58 PM
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I already found you one. Myself. To deny that feminists who are void of these beliefs exists is a weak argument. Oh, did you know that the biggest fight for joint custody started in feminism? http://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2383&context=faculty_scholarship It is only in the 1980s that the argument was changed due to some women's complaints that it was unfair give the current status of motherhood and it's role in society. Now, people like me are going back to the roots…
/r/MensRights25/11/12 10:10 PM
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No. See, this is propaganda. VAWA supports men in domestic violence and funding towards such. http://www.ncdsv.org/images/FAQ_VAWA%20and%20Gender.pdf VAWA was also critical in NEUTRALIZING parts of the STOP act which was strictly for females, but under VAWA: "In addition, in the Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act of 2005 (VAWA 2005), Congress specifically provided that "Nothing in this title [which includes the STOP statute] shall be construed to prohibit male v…
/r/MensRights25/11/12 07:48 PM
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Your general attitude to the issue. I never said that you are 100% positive a woman hater. I'm saying that your sarcasm makes me believe so. Please don't twist my words. A sarcastic response to a meaningful issue. If I did the same on the other side, It would be interpreted the same way. I have done the same and apologized for it because that is neither my intention or belief. I was just making an observation.
/r/MensRights25/11/12 06:20 PM
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You only read real-life stories on here? It is common that people will bring prime examples of injustice to attention on this board. You cannot judge the tens or hundreds of millions by the thousands. I go by facts and definitions. I have also read real-life stories of my own on both sides. Some true, some questionable. As an avid reader of these forums, I noticed that a horrible movement spurring with this community is supporters of a "Manhood101" which is borderline satirical and maybe even a …
/r/MensRights25/11/12 06:12 PM
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The fact that you cannot distinguish between radicalism and a movement is sad. Read the textbook definitions on feminism. This is my movement. You cannot change that. This is the definition it has started with and the definition I will enforce. Just because there are a bunch of sleazy people out there that use ALL groups to their advantage, doesn't mean the group itself is inherently corrupt. Are you saying that racism is a poor movement because the NAACP has done some bad things in their time? …
/r/MensRights25/11/12 05:40 PM
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Yeah, totally. People like that bring shame to activism for equal gender rights. I believe people should not be seen or treated by the law as anything but a human being. A father and mother equally made a child, and when that child is born, they should take equal responsibility. Forced sex is not a gender issue. If a man or woman doesn't want it, they have the same rights to refuse it and be legally justified in persecuting it. So forth and so on. I think the biggest problem is that people use a…
/r/MensRights25/11/12 09:38 AM
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Yes. This is correct. What doesn't compute? Edit: I normally don't critique downvotes but I'd like to know what about this specific comment is offensive. americangoyblogger gave a sarcastic response. I answered directly and responded to his/her sarcasm in a neutral manner. I personally don't care who it is. You vote on comments. Not people. He/she even got my quote wrong because VAWA is an acronym for Violence Against Women Act.
/r/MensRights25/11/12 09:26 AM
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Okay, let's just pretend that you weren't being sarcastic and that your comment was a general observation... Yeah, didn't work.
/r/MensRights25/11/12 08:40 AM
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And others like myself support shared custody :D
/r/MensRights25/11/12 07:46 AM
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Yes they are. you're just hateful
/r/MensRights25/11/12 03:11 AM
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No single side is to blame wholly. This works with everything and all blame.
/r/MensRights25/11/12 03:11 AM
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Yeh. I don't support NOW but it's nice to know they have some sense.
/r/MensRights25/11/12 03:10 AM
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I seem to have forgotten some things: Many of us do as well. That's why feminists, WRAs and even SRS guys are welcome to post here. Agreed. MRAs are allowed to post on /r/ feminism and very welcome on Women's_rights too. Some seem to believe otherwise. I think everyone with a civil and unhateful stance wants to see a merger. There's just no point in two sides. Incorrect. Activism for male and female rights are two halfs of the sexual egalitarianism coin. It is not hatred to advocate for the righ…
/r/MensRights25/11/12 03:02 AM
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I'm not being high and mighty. I have humbled myself on every forum I know of now and then. The key to knowledge is to question the knowledge you have and disagree with yourself at times. I believe in sharing knowledge. If I gained nothing else form a whole day off of debate, I have gained knowledge of issues concerning equality and I have honed in on my typing skills. lol I consider myself a feminist because when a group of feminists fight for a man to be able to live a decent life, it might no…
/r/MensRights25/11/12 02:33 AM
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All women, or some? To judge that a poster hates all women is a pretty big conclusion to reach. OH are you sure that you didn't jump to this just because some guys are angry? Can you give an example of a phrase directed against all women? In such cases, why judge the whole place simply by the odd bad egg? They exist because MR (unlike SRS) actually allows a degree of free speech. Even from people who make MR look bad by bringing misogyny into it. I do think such people are rare though and that p…
/r/MensRights25/11/12 02:23 AM
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If you go to far, you'll be damn sure I'll get in the way :D Egalitarianism is the only true equality. The only reason people aren't part of it is because they have a SINGLE side to represent and don't care about the other. If someone complains that egalitarianism is biased, why don't they join it and make a difference? As long as we carry MRA and WRA monikers, there WILL BE CORRUPTION. because it's specific purpose is to help one side of the issue. I carry a Feminist moniker because I am proud …
/r/MensRights25/11/12 01:44 AM
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Thanks. Exactly. I will ditch any label of support if we can all just stick to gender equality. Discrimination is universal. As long as we have opposing sides, we have discrimination. The only way to truly combat that is to fight in the middle. Otherwise we'll just flip sides every hundred years or so.
/r/MensRights25/11/12 01:35 AM
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I hold none of those values. Sorry. Again, I hold my own. If you want to work with extremists and idiots then ruin your idea of someone based on their stupidity, then that's how it'll be. I have never supported hate towards men. I have a lot of support from fair feminists. the kind that just want equality.I never called you a rape apologist, domestic abuser, or misogynist. I only called you a bigot and assumed animosity toward women that exactly pertains to the tone of your responses. Such is fa…
/r/MensRights25/11/12 01:30 AM
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This is true, 50/50 and 50/50 are good. Maybe one week/month with each parent until one has been decided as the best parent. We would need to watch both partens carefully as the problem with fleeing the country can be an issue. It's definitely feesable though. AHAHAH. NOW...yeah. Not even /r/feminism links to NOW. No right minded feminist associates his/herself with that group. Not that I know of. I hope that they stop trying to represent feminism some day.
/r/MensRights25/11/12 01:25 AM
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VAWA also contains an anti-male primary aggressor doctrine. VAWA is not perfect. What have you done about it? Have you sent a letter, voted, or protested anything openly? I have. How about women in the front lines of the military, with higher entry and training standards for women and the same rights regarding the draft? Small number, thats the problem you should all be singing from our song sheet or you are anti-equality. That number isn't growing from what you're doing. I'm sorry I don't speak…
/r/MensRights25/11/12 01:09 AM
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VAWA, an Exclusive ban on FGM, Quota's and affirmative action for women in education despite women being the majority of students, preferential hiring practices, higher healthcare spending, need a say more? VAWA also includes male rape victims and that contradicts your statement. Not saying it's perfect, but you have to be specific. Feminists also lobby for the prevention of male rape and a small number of feminists at least have supported every blatant issue of male rights I have seen. This inc…
/r/MensRights25/11/12 12:54 AM
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It is true that the odds are stacked. Definitely not arguing that. The biggest problem is that there are too little people like possibly you, that would talk about ways we might be able to change this. I have been arguing on this board and many others and the best people can come up with is "We're being neglected" with bold lies and misconceptions which amounts to useless and hateful rhetoric that only serves to separate us from equality via misinformation and forming hate groups. It's disgustin…
/r/MensRights25/11/12 12:38 AM
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Which is why when the time comes that power shifts, I hope that you're not a part of it because people like you will ensure that it doesn't just get fair and balanced. To generalize so blatantly and say feminists have never supported men is a lie which I have already linked to prove wrong. The world we live in is still dominated by males. The political shifts however, are favoring women in some ways, and men in others. As we reach a point in minority rights PERIOD, we will see rights for gender,…
/r/MensRights25/11/12 12:23 AM
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Have you been raped? If so I am sorry about the situation but being spiteful is only going to press the issue one way or another. If someone is being an asshole to me, I'll be an asshole back.. but I was honestly just asking a question with no snarky remarks intended. This whole thread is about not letting this anger take you over so that you become hateful instead of concerned. In actuality though, anyone who doesn't support full, egalitarian equality rather than men's or women's rights specifi…
/r/MensRights25/11/12 12:09 AM
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Hmm, have rape claims been rejected because of this? if so that is a major issue. I have seen a few cases where a woman charged with "Domestic abuse" and other lesser crimes not be considered rape. I don't like that kinda stuff at all.
/r/MensRights25/11/12 12:03 AM
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Alright. I'd thank you for the information and correction as I have done numerous times on this board, but the whole "whoopsie looks like men can't be raped" comment tells me that you are just as bigoted and hateful as the image you hypocritically claim not to represent. I will support changing this while you go back to your hateful little world.
/r/MensRights24/11/12 11:57 PM
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Very true.
/r/MensRights24/11/12 11:45 PM
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I believe that was changed in the Scottish sexual offenses act of 2009. I could be wrong though.
/r/MensRights24/11/12 11:45 PM
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VAWA can be used by men too. Although, admittedly, the conditions are vague. If they exclude men from any part let me be one to tell them no. Extremist feminists who will never get the law passed in a state with a majority of sane individuals.
/r/MensRights24/11/12 11:35 PM
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I have seen no such law though. I would like to see it but all I can't find it anywhere. If a male is raped in any state or even developed country, it is illegal. Again, there are a lot of people on both sides that make up facts and numbers to misinform people and gather support. Such is despicable and invokes feelings of hatred instead of the urge to see equality. Edit: The closest thing I can find to what you are talking about is is the well known and feminist disputed "Forcibly raped" definit…
/r/MensRights24/11/12 11:13 PM
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It's no secret that women are more likely to get a child than a father, but I haven't seen actual documentation stating that a man is unable to or less able to retain custody of a child in the united states or the rest of the developed nations. :\ This again, is a social construct that needs to stop. If it is in the law, I would want it out of the law. However, don't say it's against the law for men to retain custody of a child if it's not true. Such confuses facts.
/r/MensRights24/11/12 11:09 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/13or02/how_can_a_girl_rape_a_boy/ http://i.imgur.com/2N2pv.jpg What better an example than right on /r/mensrights. This picture was taken from a feminist run website called Project Unbreakable. It contradicts the social belief that men can't be raped by women. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3001899/ "Delusions of Gender: How Our Minds, Society, and Neurosexism Create Difference" by Cordelia Fine destroys the myth that women are better bett…
/r/MensRights24/11/12 10:44 PM
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Name one solid law that specifically targets men which was enacted by a feminist cause. Actually, name them all. I'm not saying they don't exist but I don't think there are as many as you think. Most of the time law is confused with generalization and common social constructs supported by both genders with religious or antiquated beliefs and ethics. No, It doesn't always get downvoted. I'm not saying it's the most popular. Incoherent posts are obviously shot down into oblivion for either Subredd…
/r/MensRights24/11/12 10:36 PM
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I'm sorry. "You people sicken me" was wholly aimed at those I have a complaint against. Not at /r/mensrights or the MRA movement. That was my fault. The problem is that nobody in their right mind is in power. this is less a problem with politics in general. I feel we should empower those who are neutral on the issue, then educate the myths of gender out of potential voters. We can only win this war with true equality if the population that makes decisions is educated and fair.
/r/MensRights24/11/12 10:08 PM
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Ahh, I see! the classic bait and switch! You honestly can't support equality without hating one gender more than the other? How about we just both agree and work toward a goal.. oh wait! I'm incapable of doing that as a feminist. Oh my! You are the kinda person I'm talking about.
/r/MensRights24/11/12 10:00 PM
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Thank you. This is what kills me on this subject. I am a feminist. I'm open. I argue and agree on here, and it gets the best of me at times. What I can't stand, is that I see these injustices on both sides. I see the antiquated and unilateral beliefs that are wrong and unfair. I see all of this and I want to fight it! But I look at these things, and I look at all of you, and all of them. It makes me want to see the world burn. Every time I visit this board to see the support for injustice brough…
/r/MensRights24/11/12 09:14 PM
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Likewise. I am a male and I consider myself a feminist, but at the same time I want to see things on both sides of the spectrum because this isn't about one gender or another. This is about equality and everyone having the freedom to be who they are and dream as individuals - not as a gender.
/r/MensRights24/11/12 08:50 AM
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Exactly. and what I hate is that one side usually always ignores the other's issues or says they're false. It's the problem with people fighting for one gender or the other. We need everyone fighting together to root out these hostile beliefs. The only problem is that there are so many of them who say they fight for equality but subversively turn the tides too far and misinform everyone else to prove a point. These people are simply full of hate.
/r/MensRights24/11/12 08:39 AM
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You make it really hard to agree with you. It's not that people don't like male rights. I think this is a horrible injustice and aggravated sexual assault should be part of her sentencing. Your sarcasm makes me feel like you just really hate women though. There are feminists who fight for men's rights too, and those few who do really let me ignore the belligerent masses that just call themselves feminists. I just want to see more of that supported on here.
/r/MensRights24/11/12 08:23 AM
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Yeah. I read the article before and I was like "Oh wow, this is awesome" and then I read your "Did hell just freeze over?" comment and it reminded me of all the sexist bigots that post in this place under the ruse of wanting "Equality". I love a story about true equality but I absolutely can't stand all this subtle hatred that seeps from the pores of anyone fighting for an individual side. We should make /r/mensrights and any feminist subject join into a better, superior /r/equalgenders or somet…
/r/MensRights24/11/12 07:59 AM
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Yeah. It's actually a very selfish process when you read into it. The woman expects things to be paid for and men to try to impress her, while the men expects women to bend to his will because he "invested" in her as if he owns her with his money. This thought process is a major hindrance on equality. We need people to just stop it. The only problem is that it's become ingrained into society, and people are just too dumb not to feel this way. FYI: I know not everyone feels this way. It's a major…
/r/MensRights24/11/12 07:48 AM
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You're just mad that your prime example of how women hate men turned out to be from a feminist run website. You can't admit that the feminist community helps men too. It goes against everything you hold sacred and valuable. It's the anger in your response that led me to this conclusion. You couldn't say "Yeah, some feminists get the picture but there are quite a few who don't." I would have said "True, not all are on the program, but there are more than you might think!" but instead you came off…
/r/MensRights24/11/12 07:32 AM
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I believe it has to do with the fact that both sides have a large sum of people who think they are more oppressed than the other and that a name means everything. Honestly, I admit that I see a lot of posts on MR and think that most of the men here are really bitter and resentful towards women. I feel as though there is a strong belief here that women are all looking for freebies and that feminists are evil. The part that sucks is that I'm right to an extent, but I am also wrong to an extent as …
/r/MensRights24/11/12 07:19 AM
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I edited a sorry. It was irrational of me but after reading through the comments I had a bit of built up frustration. Y'all can keep badgering me on it if you want but I'm being honest.
/r/MensRights24/11/12 07:04 AM
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Sorry. I admit, I got a little overexcited, but when I scrolled through all these comments and found this way below a sea of bickering.. it really shocked me. Not everyone is supportive (Especially not the one who origionally posted it XD) but I know what you mean. It is more or less generally supported and I was wrong for being so intense about it. I also felt it took a long time to reach this comment so it felt like it was really low on the list.
/r/MensRights24/11/12 04:08 AM
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Okay, I pruned my comment but it basically said "I have never seen someone say "He deserved to be raped" In all honesty it is a rare case. but as pointed out, this entire pic was from a feminist owned website called "Project Unbreakable"
/r/MensRights24/11/12 03:57 AM
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How is this not the TOP FUCKING COMMENT... oh right...we're on /r/mensrights and you effectively ruined their "Feminists hate all men" argument. Edit: Sorry. I got a little too excited. My feelings toward this statement are true but I should have been more modest in my approach, or said nothing at all.
/r/MensRights24/11/12 03:50 AM
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You've never seen /b/?
/r/MensRights24/11/12 03:35 AM
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But that's false. No more people say a man "Deserved to be raped" than they say women do, maybe even less. With the extreme exception of prison where it's based on the stereotype that men rape each other in prison cells. It's absurd to correlate that with men "deserving" rape. People just equate it to the extremities of a prison sentence. (Which is also stupid but unrelated)
/r/MensRights24/11/12 03:25 AM
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