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So you don't think non-feminist egalitarianism exists? Do you often find yourself only believing there are only 2 positions? Or there is only the black and white and no spectrum whatsoever inbetween that exists?
/r/MensRights22/11/20 08:00 PM
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Okay cool. So you're telling me feminists and MRA aren't compatible and won't work together . I'm saying that women and men not a part of those organizations can come to agree on the areas men are suffering and agree on the areas women are suffering... how is that inconsistent with moderate egalitarianism?
/r/MensRights22/11/20 06:42 PM
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Or if I happen to think that trans women are killed at staggering rates in comparison. Or that men commit suicide at incredibly high rates compared to women. Or women are for whatever reason assumed to take on extra, emotional labor in job situations compared to men. Where do I fall if I believe all these things to be true? But again; what is your goal here? Because you're not going to change my mind by being aggressive and condescending. It's literally never worked for anyone else so I doubt yo…
/r/MensRights22/11/20 05:25 PM
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No. Unless by patriarchy theory that discludes me from believing women are taken less seriously in medical situations. Or if I do believe it because I think male circumcision is sick and twisted and needs to be stopped.
/r/MensRights22/11/20 05:22 PM
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Where did you get fence sitter from? Nah man it's because of people like you and this toxic attitude. I mean what's your goal here? You trying to talk me out of being a centrist on this issue? You want to bring me into the mens rights side of things? Tell me what your end goal is here.. yell into the void maybe?
/r/MensRights22/11/20 04:26 PM
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I don't hang out on r/feminism for the same reasons I don't hang out here. Y'all are just pissed off at one another over things that neither of you can fix until you decide to work together not against each other. But like.. stay mad I guess. Not sure how far it'll get you.
/r/MensRights22/11/20 03:16 PM
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Because that's tearing women down? It isn't necessary and delegitimizes your message and pushes potential allies away from taking you or your cause seriously? So why do it when you can discuss men's issues without having to drag women into it? I could say "Trump is a disgusting president" or I could say "Trump is disgusting and gets celebrated by his supporters just because he's a man".. which one of those two statements do you think people will agree with more? Definitely not the one where I un…
/r/MensRights19/11/20 09:27 PM
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So why do you need to tear women down to talk about men's issues?
/r/MensRights19/11/20 09:22 PM
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" Some women get celebrated, when they shouldn't " Fixed it for you. Still not sure where exactly someone on this thread said that men were evil, still not sure why it was necessary to draw the connection to women when literally you can say what you are saying about men without even mentioning women. Google did something that's wrong. Yes. So why are you being so confrontational about women?? Google did it, not women universally. Why do you need to tear women down, in order to talk about men's i…
/r/MensRights19/11/20 09:18 PM
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But nobody said that we shouldn't celebrate international men's day? And then you said "but women will be celebrated for just existing" unprompted.. so I'm saying you can bring attention to these things without tearing the opposite gender down. You could have said what you said without making the comparison to women.. I'm saying it's clear you have a bias towards men, because you're using pretty negative language to describe women when it isn't necessary.
/r/MensRights19/11/20 08:50 PM
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Yeah so, even as a woman it's possible for your ingroup (read people you are more biased towards liking) do not necessarily match how you present. For example, I am biased to an extreme against christians, but have aignificantly less bias and even a preference for Hindus. I am white, but I have a positive bias towards latinx because I grew up in a predominantly latinx community. I'm also heavily biased towards liking women because I grew up in a predominantly female religious community. Saying w…
/r/MensRights19/11/20 08:39 PM
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I've had the opposite experience. So idk, maybe we're all biased against people that aren't in our ingroup and tend to focus on issues pertaining to our ingroups while justifying away or minimizing other groups experiences. Just a thought.
/r/MensRights19/11/20 08:07 PM
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Oh I see. So you're just not arguing from an intellectually honest standpoint. You don't have a position, while arguing against someone who is clear in their argument. That's kind of lame, at least we care to defend our position and can commit to yes or no answers.. and no, you haven't explained your stance if your stance is "Who says I have to choose a side?". My mistake, I thought you cared to defend and actual position.
/r/MensRights16/11/20 06:28 AM
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No it's clarification to ensure I do not strawman your argument. So, I want to make sure I am actually arguing against what you are saying factually. So once again, is this a yes or a no? Or do you not want to answer because you want to be noncommittal to either side?
/r/MensRights16/11/20 06:03 AM
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Yes. For all intents and purposes in America it is purely aesthetic. I'm glad you know there are many ways to clean yourself, happy we could collab. On the conclusion circumcision is an elective, aesthetic procedure.
/r/MensRights16/11/20 06:02 AM
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Which is what I'm telling you. St. Paul and the other major church leaders condemn circumcision. So why are you defending it?
/r/MensRights16/11/20 06:00 AM
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I see you're a christian and you seem to care about your community. St. Paul as well as all other church leaders of the time explicitly condemned the practice of circumcision.. having in mind their communities.. so how do you justify being so indifferent about something the foremost leaders of your church had a very clear stance against?
/r/MensRights16/11/20 05:41 AM
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Vaccination isn't aestheitc. Once again, do you feel a child has the right to bodily autonomy concerning aesthetic procedures? It is only considered aesthetic because the "benefits" don't apply to first world countries that have access to clean water daily and condoms. All possible benefits dissapate with these present. So for all intents and purposes in America.. it is purely aestheitc.
/r/MensRights16/11/20 05:38 AM
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So that is a no?
/r/MensRights16/11/20 05:34 AM
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So is that a yes or a no?
/r/MensRights16/11/20 05:32 AM
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Do you have the right to enforce your belief that a female vulva or clitoris should not be cut? Yes or no?
/r/MensRights16/11/20 05:23 AM
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So would you try to stop a culture from killing their firstborn child if it was a girl? Yes or no?
/r/MensRights16/11/20 05:22 AM
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So you do think children have a right to medical autonomy when the procedure is aesthetic then correct?
/r/MensRights16/11/20 05:19 AM
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Okay on #4 that isn't true? I prefer uncircumcised men over curcumcised men (I love all penises, it's just a preference). I know a lot of women who feel the same or just genuinely are indifferent. Also, societally we are conditioned to think it's "cleaner" if that myth was dispelled I doubt many people would care. On #5 can you name another elective, aesthetic procedure parents are allowed to decide to have happen to their child? Cause I can't think of many... Finally, we do actively go to Sudan…
/r/MensRights16/11/20 05:15 AM
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Let me just jump in here and say that "you've no right to force your views on another culture." Just isn't it. Philosophy students and professors argue about the question of moral relativism (which allows for different cultures to act on things with varying practices and "justifications" [the colloquial use of justification not philosophical] ). However, there are many theistic and athesitic philosophers and scientists that argue that moral relativism isn't the answer, and objectively we can det…
/r/MensRights16/11/20 05:05 AM
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I think that one of my really good friends was talking about the NCFM not too long ago. I have to admit I don't know much about them other than what's been mentioned in passing, since recently I've thrown all my weight into circumcision awareness (why it's morally reprehensible specifically) and done as much research as I could on it. But I can look into NCFM next.
/r/MensRights28/10/20 10:31 PM
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A fairly liberal State in the US. Edit: I should add that, on my specific college campus, I can pretty much do everything I need to without leaving other than visiting my parents. Especially since C-19 I have lived my entire life on campus without leaving so... I would venture I exist in a small bubble, but hopefully a bubble that will expand to the rest of the world someday?
/r/MensRights28/10/20 10:23 PM
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Maybe I just exist in a college environment and that colors the way people interact and talk with one another... but I haven't noticed that men are targetted. When we talk about rape on campus, we don't usually ever hear or use gendered terminology. There are also a lot of rallies where I see co-ed marches for: mens rights in courts for custody hearings, women's rights when it comes to recognizing emotional labor as real labor, mens rights concerning banning the practice of circumcision, and bot…
/r/MensRights28/10/20 09:36 PM
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Because my understanding is that in the US cardiopulmonary deaths and brain deaths are the only two criteria that are considered. The former meaning any efforts to revive the person cant happen because any efforts to revive the heart have been exhausted. Brain death occurs when someone will no longer be able to breath or have their heart beat return to it's normal functioning, and medically cant be reversed. Is this the same criteria you are talking about?
/r/MensRights07/03/19 03:49 PM
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What is the criteria for not being alive medically?
/r/MensRights07/03/19 03:45 PM
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Well could you explain? Because in everything I have been exposed to when brain functioning stops even if the heart, breathing, etc continues most doctors will recommend pulling the plug because there is no coming back from/reversing the process of being brain dead.
/r/MensRights07/03/19 03:38 PM
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What about personhood do you want me to talk about? You can ask a direct question, and I will try to answer.
/r/MensRights07/03/19 03:36 PM
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Also, bacteria is 'alive' and we kill that all the time. Personhood requires consciousness and as far as science is concerned you cant have consciousness without brain function. If we went by the standard that by something being 'alive' only requires that it has cells everytime a woman swallowed cum she would be a murderer since sperm are as alive as any other cell, bacteria, ameoba, etc.
/r/MensRights07/03/19 03:24 PM
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So someone is alive if they have lost all brain functioning?
/r/MensRights07/03/19 03:21 PM
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But it's not an unborn person. Our laws for abortion are made based off of the scientific evidence we have surrounding exactly when a person has brain activity which is 16 weeks not 6 weeks. A doctor performed a medical procedure they were legally allowed to without the knowledge that there was another party involved that didn't want the pregnancy. She was the one who circumvented any decision making he should have been a part of. She consented to a procedure that would impact her physical, ment…
/r/MensRights07/03/19 03:20 PM
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As far as cells and other parasitic organisms go, it is absolutely alive. The argument I'm making is that it is not yet conscious. Our criteria for assessing whether someone has personhood or not is directly related to their brain activity. If a person has no brain function, they are considered to not be alive medically and societally.
/r/MensRights07/03/19 03:06 PM
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Right, and most modern societies have based that decision on scientific findings regarding the one organ that we know contains what you or I would call 'consciousness'. So we allow abortions up to 16 weeks in most places because there is no brain activity until such a time. However the majority of abortions are performed by 8 weeks so far earlier than society allows for. The only abortions that are performed past 20 weeks are those that are considered to be medically necessary to save the life o…
/r/MensRights07/03/19 02:34 PM
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I dont disagree with you that men and women should have the same reproductive rights. I even said I'm not against this gentleman suing, I am against him suing the clinic. The woman went in and asked for the medical procedure which she as far as i know at 6 weeks pregnant was permitted to do. I suggested instead if he were to sue he should be suing the individual since she is the one that didn't take his thoughts and opinions into consideration. I also think it is unfair to ask men to pay for the…
/r/MensRights07/03/19 02:30 PM
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That is true, but until more modern medicines we didn't know because your heart is a muscle that pumps blood to the rest of your body, when your heart stops and isnt capable of pumping blood your extremities it causes a variety of different things to fail in your body the most notable being brain function.
/r/MensRights07/03/19 02:23 PM
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Bodily autonomy as a philosophical concept doesn't exist, I agree with you on that. Bodily autonomy however in regards to medical regulations is very much practiced on a day to day basis. The only place we do seem to consistently have bodily autonomy is when making decisions for ourselves medically, now nobody is suggesting killing children, only aborting fetus'. A fetus is not the same thing as a conscious being. When you go into the doctors office how often are you coerced into performing medi…
/r/MensRights07/03/19 02:20 PM
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So, you think people who have no brain activity are still alive?
/r/MensRights07/03/19 02:12 PM
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Do you know what we consider people without brain activity to be?
/r/MensRights07/03/19 02:08 PM
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When the brain is developed and can send electrical signals to the pain center of the brain. 16 to 20 weeks.
/r/MensRights07/03/19 02:06 PM
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I didn't argue that, I argued he shouldn't be suing the clinic, but rather the woman. It was her decision that she made medically.
/r/MensRights07/03/19 01:27 PM
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Being prohibited from deciding the best course of action for your physical well-being for the sake of another person is still a breach of the concept of bodily autonomy. Again, at 6 weeks it is not by scientific standards a human being, a heart =/= alive, a brain and brain activity does. We determine personhood based off of factors including electrical activity in the brain. A 6 week old fetus does not have any of those factors.
/r/MensRights07/03/19 01:26 PM
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Okay, and on a lot of that I can agree and understand. My point though is even if that fetus was a human person.. which I could argue it is not since it meets no requirements yet to even be considered an animal let alone a person at 6 weeks.. My point is, you cannot force in any medical situation someone to give up their bodily autonomy for the well-being of someone else even if it means saving their lives. The government as it stands cannot force you to give up one of your kidneys to someone el…
/r/MensRights07/03/19 01:04 PM
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A beating heart doesnt dictate what is and isnt alive. A brain with activity does. I know how abortions are performed, I just think that it's wrong to take control of someone elses medical decisions. If you arent willing to relinquish your autonomy fully to another person to decide what happens to you, I dont see why anyone else should.
/r/MensRights07/03/19 12:37 PM
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I don't even know why this is necessary, the abortion clinic performed a procedure on a consenting person to remove a clump of cells at that point.. she was 6 weeks not 6 months... shouldn't he sue her for her decision anyways? Not the clinic? And since when is it okay to be anti- bodily autonomy for any person?
/r/MensRights07/03/19 04:17 AM
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I don't think it's fair to call them incels. But there are some people doing exactly what they hate feminists for doing. If this was an article about rape, accusing a man that insinuated "most men.." they'd be up in arms but it's perfectly fine to paint "most women.." as making false sexual harassment allegations. Not including the people here who have pointed out the same thing of course.
/r/MensRights04/03/19 10:31 PM
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I fully agree, feminists, at least the ones I know would find this woman to be trash and rightfully deserving of punishment. I am also inclined to agree this isnt a man v woman issue. It's a shitty neighbor being horrendously toxic.
/r/MensRights04/03/19 10:26 PM
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Pretty sure she called him a "paki" at least that's what the article stated at one point.
/r/MensRights04/03/19 10:19 PM
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outside of mating. Oof
/r/MensRights04/03/19 10:17 PM
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This is my only problem with posts here in general, I agree on the points made here but when someone applies a negative trait to "most" or "all" people of any group it's hard to get past
/r/MensRights04/03/19 10:15 PM
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That's like use of "the royal we" its creepy asf when people do that shit.
/r/MensRights15/02/19 03:20 PM
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Because I empathize with them on some level. And I empathize with all of you on some level. Its terrifying to feel like you have absolutely no control of your life in any given area, at any moment in time. Honestly I can tell you really care less about having a conversation and more about winning an argument. If I didn't know better this is probably one of those instances I'd just dig my heels in more. If you want to change minds empathy goes a long way, telling people what to do works far less.
/r/MensRights13/02/19 08:55 PM
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Right now.. I'm fighting for my right to make my own decisions about my reproductive health. I've been asking to get my tubes tied since I was 18 and no doctors where I live will do it because "some future husband might want kids" or "you're too young to know you dont want to be a parent". Why should I be disallowed from permanent birth control for some theoretical man i might end up with? That specifically for me personally is an issue near and dear to my heart and something I've been working o…
/r/MensRights13/02/19 08:41 PM
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See theres that word again, not all people, of any group can be said to share the exact same ideology all the time. I can be a feminist and support womens rights, and say that women in some aspects of society are oppressed. While also saying there are aspects of society where men are oppressed and I support and acknowledge those unique struggles. I would never even attempt to make a claim about the Mens Rights movement all believing in any one thing because that simply isnt true. Not all of you …
/r/MensRights13/02/19 08:23 PM
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Right, okay what you just said would be akin to me saying "toxic masculinity doesnt exist, it's called masculinity" dont you see how sweeping a broad brush over an entire gender is maybe not so great? The feminist movement got a bad rep. For doing exactly that.. there are feminists that care about real equality and mens rights, there are feminists here on this subreddit that support what you guys say and talk about. If you're just going to say all women who support feminism are the exact same I …
/r/MensRights12/02/19 03:29 PM
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Or feminism, not every woman on planet earth is a toxic feminist.
/r/MensRights12/02/19 02:39 AM
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Or a different chemical, I'm probably not remembering the name right.
/r/MensRights12/02/19 02:37 AM
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But that's from a lack of norepinephrine in the blood from sleeping, it doesn't just happen the second you fall asleep I think that's what they're getting at.
/r/MensRights12/02/19 02:36 AM
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Actually in my case it was diagnosed as PTSD but I guess yeah, sure you can call it paranoia.
/r/MensRights01/02/19 05:58 PM
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Because you don't know them or what they might do, I had a friend from college get drugged by a date when they went to meet for a drink, keep in mind he was gay being another man and although luckily someone there was pushing attention and got him home safe, the thought of something potentially bad like that happening again makes him worried so he tends to be extremely cautious. I am also that way, I know a ton of people who are that way. Why would you fault people, not just women all people for…
/r/MensRights01/02/19 05:01 PM
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That's true, I guess I shouldn't have expected any empathy, I just thought maybe this is one of those things you might have been able to relate to since I'm sure meeting someone new and being afraid isnt a woman-centric problem. My bad.
/r/MensRights01/02/19 12:30 PM
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So you're countering my anecdotal evidence, with your own, I guess maybe one of us should try to find some solid facts here.
/r/MensRights31/01/19 06:58 PM
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I don't use it as an excuse for free food, but I promise for a lot of people that fear is genuine. I haven't ever heard a woman say, "I'm going on a date and I might get killed so I deserve free food" . I've seen women try to get a free meal out of someone, and I have heard tinder date horror stories that are terrifying. I've never heard those two things put together the way you make it sound. And, I should say, if you are using "I might get murdered on this date so give me free food" to your da…
/r/MensRights31/01/19 06:38 PM
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I can only speak for myself but there were tinder dates that I went on that although didn't end in my murder where very scary. I'm also not saying those dates were primarily men there were a couple girls that creeped the fuck out of me. In general when you meet someone new you shouldn't put yourself in a vulnerable position. It isnt a lie to say people are scared of something bad happening. Murder? Yeah that's extreme. Sexual assault, rape, in general creepiness that leads to some kind of physic…
/r/MensRights31/01/19 06:18 PM
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Its gross when people just match for free food.. not the kind of person you want around anyways.
/r/MensRights31/01/19 06:03 PM
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I get accused of being too "masculine" for a girl really often, so when I dont want to do something feminine I get accused of being a dike. I can empathize on some level with the men that have to deal with that name-calling bs.
/r/MensRights30/01/19 02:38 AM
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That you and I can agree on, I think since I'm such a "grey area" personality type I kind of just think this weird gender war happening altogether is stupid. Why is it so hard for people to have empathy for the other side? Why is feminism even still necessary? And why cant people just accept being human in general is hard, and every human has their own individual struggles.. like a trans-man wont have the same struggles as a cis man and a cis gay man won't have the same struggles as you, or me. …
/r/MensRights30/01/19 02:35 AM
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That first link doesnt seem to be working, might just be me though.
/r/MensRights29/01/19 05:43 AM
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Does this work both ways? If men strictly define masculinity then women strictly define femininity, so then only men can define what toxic masculinity consists of, so only women can define toxic femininity?
/r/MensRights29/01/19 05:34 AM
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I don't know where you live but I wish I had been homeless there, those resources are far superior to anything I ever had access to.
/r/MensRights27/01/19 11:52 PM
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It's not his fault, it's his responsibility. This isnt a double standard a captain of any boat anywhere ever is held responsible for what happens on the boat. If she were still alive she would have been convicted of something as well but considering he didn't show up to the trial and still only got 6 years is an indicator that this isnt a case of men being held responsible for someone elses crime, he was held accountable for his negligence with his vessel.
/r/MensRights25/01/19 04:54 PM
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See ya around.
/r/MensRights23/01/19 05:13 PM
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But this comment is in regards to the post that was talking about how women are 70% of the people who seek out divorce, that's what this person is talking about in regards to busting up families so I wanted to know.. how society encouraged those 70% of women to get a divorce. I'm trying to understand how the pieces fit together, how does society encouraging women to bust up families fit in with the original post? If I'm wrong I'm wrong but if as you say society encourages women to bust up famili…
/r/MensRights23/01/19 05:01 PM
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Well no I'm trying to understand how this is related to the post? This post is talking about how women blow up families and are responsible for 70% of divorces.. right? So I'm trying to see how what you're talking about fits into the discussion..
/r/MensRights23/01/19 04:52 PM
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Of those 70% of divorces, how many of those women left their families because they were encouraged by society that single-motherhood is a better option rather than remaining in a family unit?
/r/MensRights23/01/19 04:44 PM
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From this post, women are responsible for 70% of divorces.
/r/MensRights23/01/19 04:43 PM
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So how much of the 70% of women do you think were encouraged by society to leave their spouse just because they thought they could do better on their own rather than as a family unit?
/r/MensRights23/01/19 04:41 PM
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The things talked about on here daily get more divisive with the them v us mentality. I used to support almost every post on here until it got to the point where now its dangerously close to the male community version of tumblr feminism. A lot of time is spent discussing why women have it better, why they are overall toxic etc. Rather than advocating for any change to help men.
/r/MensRights23/01/19 04:02 PM
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And you think 70% of women end marriages for these 'perks'?
/r/MensRights23/01/19 03:58 PM
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So.. you think 70% of marriages genuinely end purely because of the woman without having anything else happen behind the scenes to prompt wanting to leave a marriage?
/r/MensRights23/01/19 03:56 PM
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So you really think 70% of women break up families 'just cause' instead of having a reason? Like.. a loveless marriage, infidelity, abuse, etc? People fall out of love all the time and marriages stop working I dont get how that's solely the womans responsibility now?
/r/MensRights23/01/19 03:54 PM
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Because it isnt called toxic femininity, when women talk about other women and their toxic behaviors there are other words used to describe them that are actually pretty vicious. We talk about women who trap men by having a kid, we dont call them toxic we call them piranhas. We talk about women who abuse and hurt children and continually get away with it, we dont call them toxic, we call them a variety of different things but in my church growing up my mom called another woman in the church miss…
/r/MensRights22/01/19 04:57 PM
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Feminists, at least the ones who also advocate for trying to understand that both genders have it rough and try to empathize with men and their struggles as well as women do talk about toxic femininity in that we understand there are some nasty, evil women out there only looking to damage and hurt other people. Having this conversation shouldn't be men v women, that's what made feminism so toxic and damaging in the first place.
/r/MensRights22/01/19 03:56 PM
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Not everyone does feel that way for the record, their are women on this sub who do try to be as understanding and compassionate about your struggles as we are towards women. Both genders have struggles and have to deal with shitty things. I can't pretend to understand what you experience intimately, but I can empathize with feeling as though people think because you are a certain way, everything should be "perfect" for you.
/r/MensRights19/01/19 10:06 PM
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Well, I mean, do you regularly also lump all women together when discussing the negative things some women do or nah? Cause if you dont, just remind this person you share the same opinion as her you're just arguing different sides. If you tend to talk about "all women" the way you hate people talking about "all men" then I dont know dude.
/r/MensRights19/01/19 03:19 AM
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It absolutely should, it's the only way to defend your stance against people who would otherwise not believe you. People who rely heavily on facts and figures in particular to adjust their world view would otherwise just follow their own instincts without proper studies, and we all know humans typically have garbage instincts when it comes to explaining the natural world.
/r/MensRights04/01/19 07:39 PM
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That young men shouldn't allow women to shame them for being creepy? In the post itself.
/r/MensRights03/01/19 10:36 PM
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If he wanted to say that then he could have omitted the but about "not allowing women.." to react.. he said that men should not allow women to shame them for their behavior, even if a person is well-intentioned, if someone says they're uncomfortable it's important for them to hear that so they can adjust their behavior. I dont think they should be ashamed whatsoever, but they still need to know what they did was uncomfortable so they can adjust.. if you never are told what you're doing is coming…
/r/MensRights03/01/19 10:34 PM
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What do you mean? Creepy behavior from humans in general is inevitable. It's not an 'if' someone is creepy, it's when someone is creepy.. and when said person is creepy, it should be okay for someone to say they're uncomfortable, how can you think demanding people dont react to situations that make them feel uncomfortable is somehow okay?
/r/MensRights03/01/19 10:22 PM
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"Young men shouldn't allow women.." that's not about assumption, when you say you aren't going to allow a certain kind of behavior it implies that the people/person doesnt have a choice in how they act. If it was worded "young women shouldn't assume young mens creepiness is malicious" I wouldn't have said anything, because on that sentiment I can agree.
/r/MensRights03/01/19 10:16 PM
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That's how it read, young men should be given a free-pass for creepy behavior because it's tough for them to learn how to act around women. I disagree though, I think if a person is creepy.. they need to be called on it cause otherwise they wont learn anything. Notice I said person because women, beyond a shadow of a doubt, can be and are just as creepy as men.
/r/MensRights03/01/19 10:09 PM
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I agree completely, humans are creepy in general, especially in today's world since we have access to so much on the internet it just gets showcased more often. Pretty sure there's a whole subreddit.. I think it's called nice girls or some shit but holy fuck, the entire thing is just some creepy, bizarre women.
/r/MensRights03/01/19 10:00 PM
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I don't understand people like this, why do we have to constantly compare who has it worse? Everyone has their own problems this isnt a competition of who is suffering more. I'd bet most normal people care about people different from them and want to help regardless of their sex, race, age, able-bodiedness, etc.
/r/MensRights24/12/18 01:45 PM
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That sounds like something I encountered growing up with a next door neighbor, he ended up coming to live with my family when we moved just to get away from his mom...
/r/MensRights21/12/18 06:22 PM
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It's true sometimes what they say can be vitriolic, but much like the extreme voices you hear in feminism you can't let those voices be the only ones you hear. There are plenty of dudes here willing to acknowledge what most, normal, egalitarian people are willing to accept. That being men and women have their own strengths and weaknesses, and therefore their own problems, all of which deserve attention, care, consideration, and fixing.
/r/MensRights21/12/18 06:17 PM
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It's the same thing for feminists, the most extreme and hateful voices somehow always rise above the normal people who just want what's best for the entirety of society.. I can relate to how you feel.
/r/MensRights21/12/18 02:59 AM
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Why can't we just acknowledge men and women have strengths and weaknesses, and different struggles, and just work on it together in a way where it's not one upping each other on who has it worse? That'd be cool.
/r/MensRights19/12/18 01:45 AM
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As long as women maintain all of their rights to bodily autonomy, men should be granted the same rights but to a different less thought about concept revolving around the ethics of autonomy... that is to live their lives free of responsibility they feel they are not capable of taking on. I fully agree autonomy should be something all people have, and something we still need to fix in society.
/r/MensRights17/12/18 07:08 PM
1

Which is wrong, I acknowledge that. My point more so is that instead of discussing this incident in an us vs. Them kind of way it would be beneficial instead to relate it to the experiences other people face and have a discussion in a way that is inclusive and empathetic so that people will understand that everyone faces their own unique struggles and we need to be aware of them so that nobody is left out, and everyone has a platform to speak about their story. I want to understand, I want to be…
/r/MensRights17/09/18 10:22 PM
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But you keep saying 'we' and 'they' which are words that are divisive.. I am a part of the 'they' you are referring to and I do and will always consider male survivors when discussing this topic. I understand the issues men face are different than those of women. This isn't 'them' facing the same thing 'for once' this is people who may be unaware, ignorant, or flat out refusing to try to understand another person's experience being confronted with evidence in a way that if spoken about properly …
/r/MensRights17/09/18 10:14 PM
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Great so in this instance let's talk about how in the UK people can try to advocate for change so that male victims feel they have a safe space where they can come forward and talk about their story.
/r/MensRights17/09/18 06:17 PM
1

Well I can tell you I'm open and fully ready to listen to any and all survivors, nobody should ever have to go through an attack, I'm sure many people share this view so regardless of gender I'm open to talking about what we can do to give men a voice so that they feel safe and comfortable coming forward and talking about their story as well as anyone else.
/r/MensRights17/09/18 06:15 PM
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We already know what it's like, it happens to people enough that it's a problem on both sides. This isn't a women v. Men issue. This is a perpetrator and survivor issue. Both men and women rape. Both men and women are raped, this shouldn't be a divisive issue, we should be able to come together on this issue and talk about it together not use it as a way to point fingers at one another.
/r/MensRights17/09/18 06:02 PM
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