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2

It's basically become s weapon ti gaslight. It allows you to dismiss and mock while also looking educated. Rarely have I ever seen it used in good faith.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/22 08:17 AM
1

If said in good faith, it's a wonderful thing. However, good faith is arguably the rarest resource today.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/22 02:43 PM
1

People who are determined to hurt you or see you as something less(or an other) do not see reason. Looking out for yourself and your brothers is the most effective way.
/r/MensRights14/07/22 01:51 PM
1

What makes you think he hasn't done any of those things?
/r/MensRights14/07/22 01:32 PM
6

They genuine kind? I agree.
/r/MensRights14/07/22 01:31 PM
4

It's gone full circle. Gender is merely a social construct when it favors their arguments. Never expect these people to have any kind of fixed principle because the truth and reason to them is malleable.
/r/MensRights14/07/22 04:46 AM
2

You mean "empowerment".
/r/MensRights11/07/22 05:24 AM
3

Excellent post. The most troubling thing is that I don't see this changing anytime soon, and I reckon it would only get worse as Gen Z have fully embraced this fucking nonsense.
/r/MensRights11/07/22 05:18 AM
13

Hate speech does not apply to men, sadly. This is a message they've sent over and over again.
/r/MensRights10/07/22 09:38 AM
2

No worries. I've seen some of your posts before and from what I gather, are coherent and done in good faith. Brazen is putting it mildly. These people treat cruelty and malice against men as an accomplishment.
/r/MensRights10/07/22 09:23 AM
2

While I do agree with you, that number is growing as the demonization of men(and the gaslighting to defend it) is becoming more and more pronounced and celebrated. Just look at how smug these people are. They are doing it out in the open without a care in the world. At least incels have to scurry into the armpit of the internet for them to talk of such things. These people are proudly doing so in the town square without any fear.
/r/MensRights10/07/22 09:04 AM
1

"Empowerment" is nothing more than toxic masculinity with make-up.
/r/MensRights10/07/22 08:58 AM
1

Unfortunately, beggars can't be choosers. And we are very much the beggars within this context. I completely get what you're saying, but as far as I am concerned, I would choose the lesser of the two evils. Their fears don't need to be validated in order for it to be taken seriously by society unfortunately. I mean, just look at all the usual talking points they have. They haven't evolved in the least, they simply compound.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/22 08:53 AM
1

We do. But the problem is we have a real tendency to act like crabs in a bucket, and it's for the most basic "reward" - female validation. As much as people insist in copying the feminist playbook, that simply won't work as the dynamics at play(the dismissiveness and mockery of men's issues) is a complete non-starter. I wish I had something that wasn't so cynical, but thems the ropes unfortunately.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/22 08:48 AM
28

There is always another goal post to move and another tangent to deflect with. It's one thing if they aim the derision directly responsible for it, but why do that when you can apply unilaterally?
/r/MensRights10/07/22 01:09 AM
4

The example you provided illustrates feminism in a nutshell. They instinctively assumed that you were callous to experiences similar to yours until it happened to you. That is projection on their part.
/r/MensRights09/07/22 10:09 AM
2

What does your family say? Is moving out an option for you?
/r/MensRights09/07/22 09:51 AM
1

Ah. Gotcha.
/r/AntiFeminists09/07/22 09:13 AM
1

The end always justifies the means to these people. Not at all surprised by that reaction.
/r/AntiFeminists09/07/22 09:12 AM
1

That's wishful thinking, man. Feminism is a core component of "progressivism". As long as that is in place, feminism will always be an issue.
/r/AntiFeminists09/07/22 09:02 AM
2

Whatever is beneficial for the current circumstance. There you go.
/r/AntiFeminists09/07/22 08:59 AM
2

Yup. There are people genuinely convinced that enduring relentless disrespect and having your boundaries crossed and pretending to be okay about it makes them "secure".
/r/AntiFeminists09/07/22 08:56 AM
1

I have a pretty negative view of a sizable portion of it, but between the manosphere and "progressives", I'll take the former.
/r/AntiFeminists09/07/22 08:52 AM
1

Definitions of a term matter little when it can be easily used in bad faith.
/r/AntiFeminists09/07/22 08:51 AM
1

There will always be another goal post to move for as long as we take accusations at face value.
/r/AntiFeminists09/07/22 08:48 AM
2

Women being portrayed as the kinder gender is the biggest scam there is. It gets them the benefit of the doubt even in circumstances where they are clearly in the wrong.
/r/AntiFeminists09/07/22 08:46 AM
6

Egalitarian is like "fetch", it's never going to be a thing sadly. The harsh reality is feminism has the monopoly in gender equality. Whether that will change is anyone's guess.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 01:58 PM
3

Reread what you just typed until it sinks in to something that has merit. Then you could educate your "progressive" feminist friends all about it. Because there is nothing more casually, insidiously racist or cruel than these progressive white girls. At least your typical hick can be upfront about it, making them easy to avoid. Your kind love to preach about empathy and respect yet treat it like a prize. That's what I meant about weaponizing victimhood.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 12:46 PM
4

Said every white woman ever. Your last sentence is why so many white women are able to weaponize their "victimhood" because it is always under the guise of dismantling something.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 07:52 AM
2

Same. Many of them are convinced that if they simply play by the rules currently imposed on them, they will eventually win. But what's to stop feminism from imposing even more?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/22 07:52 AM
1

It all harkens to the expectation of men to endure regardless of circumstance. The permission society as a whole to be callous to men and their issues has been there from the beginning. And to be honest, I don't know what we can do to humanize the gender as a whole.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/22 07:48 AM
11

That's some depressing shit. Being a man is already seen as a threat that is even more compounded by the amount of melanin you have.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/22 07:33 AM
4

The dehumanization of men which is frequently extolled as virtue starts in childhood. The worst part is, all us have bought into that at one point or another.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/22 07:25 AM
17

It isn't ignorance at this point; that implies they lack information or intelligence for them to reach this conclusion. From where I stand, it's a lack of integrity and decency.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/22 07:22 AM
6

I'm sorry to hear that. I empathize with you and your friend as I nearly died myself at the hands of my ex-wife, her brother and her demonic posse. The worst part is that no justice came of it. Their lawyer was able to gaslight and obfuscate to make the jury believe that the incident in question was preceded by mutual abuse and while unfortunate was a predictable outcome. Trans women(and trans people for that matter) are in precarious position since tradcons hate them and terfs hate them with eq…
/r/MensRights29/06/22 04:59 AM
17

It isn't even just MRAs. Anyone who defends men and advocates for them to be treated like human beings are dismissed as pick mes like you have just experienced.
/r/MensRights29/06/22 03:35 AM
14

Pressure to provide does play a role though it doesn't account for everything. For decades, men have been slipping and slipping in education and the social lifelines afforded them are limited since the priority is always women and children. And most efforts to address this problem like male homelessness as well as suicide is shouted down and smeared as misogyny.
/r/MensRights29/06/22 03:32 AM
37

Whatever you say, they will always deflect in the end with "because patriarchy". It's not only pointless but draining.
/r/MensRights29/06/22 03:28 AM
1

What improvements would you find just regarding CS? Being able to opt out before the child is born?
/r/MensRights28/06/22 03:01 PM
2

I agree with you, but at this point in time, they will likely discard us as the stigma that they have placed upon us and our needs is too strong. I genuinely believe that the only time the institutions in place will lend us voice or take our problems seriously is when enough people have been trampled by wokeness.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 02:52 PM
3

From what I've read, younger generations have been consistently having less sex than their predecessors which was initially weird to me given the existence of dating apps. However, if you look into it deeper, it sort of makes sense since women as a whole have more options at their disposal to sift through men. You can also add into that the advent of entertainment on demand.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 02:39 PM
2

That's fine, man. No worries. I'm not here to "win" arguments.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 02:32 PM
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Cause you're asking someone to not only inconvenience themselves but to read someone's mind. Also, wrong assumptions can snowball quickly especially when the one projecting it is a woman.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 02:30 PM
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And how exactly would they know that you're being made uncomfortable? When the scenario you said happened, did you voice it out or did you just expect them to know?
/r/MensRights28/06/22 02:28 PM
1

And that only happens when the govt is toppled and we write a new constitution. As long as we have the system in place, social mores that guided it will too. And that will always put the well-being of the child above everything else.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 02:26 PM
1

Conservatives are the answer you're looking for. Conservatives.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 02:19 PM
3

Really? Doesn't the lower sex rates apply to women too? Just at a lower percentage?
/r/MensRights28/06/22 02:17 PM
1

And your solution is dismantling it completely? Don't you find that a tad unrealistic?
/r/MensRights28/06/22 02:15 PM
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That is what I find most disheartening. People, both men and women, are quick to explain away why a girl would cheat. Even worse, they are quick to mock the person who got cheated on especially when he's a guy. It really all comes down to the dismissiveness of men's issues and protectiveness to women.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 02:13 PM
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What? You're grasping at straws. You're comparison isn't in any way analogous to what I just said. Do you think a man should be able to remove any obligation he has should he decide to at his whim?
/r/MensRights28/06/22 02:00 PM
1

If anything, this repeal will drag more men down with cumbersome child support.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 01:38 PM
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And they wonder why men aren't falling all over themselves to help them? If they want to aim at anyone, aim at the tradcons and pro-lifers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/22 01:32 PM
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While that reaction is predictable, it also has its validity. Many fear that even if they march along and fight for them, they will simply be discarded when they are no longer useful. I can't say I blame them since men being expendable has been a trope since the dawn of civilization.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/22 01:28 PM
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The first two are realistic goals. The third one simply isn't. Someone always has to pay and between us and the govt, they will choose us. All the time. At best I think we can lower CS by accounting for the first two factors you mentioned to allow for a more equitable amount.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 12:02 PM
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Giving money to care for a child will never be the same as carrying and giving birth to said child. At best it's a tangential issue, one that is only exacerbated by the repeal of Roe. What improvements would you like to make regarding CS in relation to Roe?
/r/MensRights28/06/22 11:32 AM
6

Fair enough. Within the context you mentioned, it definitely is.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 11:01 AM
1

The fact that you've been given an ultimatum should tell all you need to know. I know it can seem quite adventurous wading into the unknown especially when it comes to romance, but situations like yours aren't unique or special. They happen everyday. Things might work out for the two of you or it might not, but one thing that you'll never regret is enforcing your boundaries.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 10:13 AM
1

Don't bother. We get these snake oil pests every once in a while. They've nothing better to do than spread their pretentiousness they fancy as wisdom.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 10:03 AM
1

The shit you get away with when you're seen as the ultimate damsel in distress. And these people have the audacity to be mad when they're called Karen.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 09:59 AM
-5

It's a false equivalence, brother. Using RvW isn't going to produce the results you expect since child support isn't a reproductive rights issue in the same vein as literally pushing a child out of oneself.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 09:50 AM
12

Because society has deemed that our job is to provide and endure regardless of circumstance. Society has always treated the common man with more callousness and disposability and it all stems from the notion I mentioned. This time period has exacerbated those problems as more and more women are raised with chips on their shoulder, always at the ready to prove how "empowered" they are. And it's usually at the expense of a man, who in all likelihood, didn't do anything to deserve it.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 08:19 AM
2

That is wishful thinking. The two-party system has yet to be removed for a reason. It's there to avoid the very thing you're espousing on.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 08:12 AM
4

That is true, but that doesn't mean you can't use BOTH for your own ends. What he says has some merit to it, but he's overestimating the extent by which men's issues will be prioritized because of it.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 08:11 AM
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Sadly, it's not even that. Even if the judge some wasn't some feminist, they simply treat men's struggles with such callousness.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 06:38 AM
3

When evidence is inconvenient, just bury it. It'd quite clear that the US govt are willing to treat men as simply collateral damage if it means handing "justice" to "victims".
/r/MensRights28/06/22 02:40 AM
2

What a prize.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 02:04 AM
3

Expect more of this shit. If they really want to be upset at something, blame the pro-life people regardless of gender. But why do that when you put blame and burden on the feet of men, right?
/r/MensRights28/06/22 01:10 AM
1

It doesn't have to guarantee in order for it to reduce or exacerbate a problem. There will be more men on the hook for child support and alimony because of this. Fortunately(or unfortunately), the younger generations have been having less sex than their predecessors so it might mitigate it a bit.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 12:49 AM
1

Best of luck, brother. I'm rooting for you.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 12:25 AM
20

To rent, not buy. So simple yet so brilliant.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 11:44 AM
1

Agreed. Those communities live in a bubble, and they refuse to get out.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 11:41 AM
2

You're not wrong, man. Particularly #3. That is the strongest of all arguments FOR RvW. Expect more men to be financially castrated because all this BS about them holding out or finding ways to not get pregnant is untenable at best and unrealistic at worst. If medieval times couldn't stop people from fucking and giving birth, this shit won't.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 11:06 AM
1

Yup. It doesn't benefit us in any way and I don't see how it would be celebrated by anyone who isn't conservative and pro-life.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 11:00 AM
1

Feminism cannot exist when there's no longer anything to rally against. Best believe that they will always find something no matter how absurd it is.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 10:56 AM
1

Well put. Society has always privileged genders in different ways. Problem today is, hostility and unjustified aggression towards men by women is always presented(excused,really) as them simply punching up. Just look at the reaction RvW. Conservative women and traditionalists as a whole were the ones being catered to, yet the blame is being put on men at large because most of the justices are male.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 10:54 AM
3

Yup. Admitting that women can be every bit as abusive as men humanizes men, and indicates that men don't have the monopoly on domestic violence like they portray.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 10:45 AM
2

Yes, I live in the Philippines now(part Filipino). There is a very tradcon vibe but at the very least, the people aren't hostile for no fucking reason. There are still abrasive women who think they are being quirky and cute but they are few and far between as people here don't wrap their identity with their politics and being in the "right side of history". There isn't a place on Earth where you would get the best of both worlds, but the least you can do is find the lesser of two evils. As corru…
/r/MensRights27/06/22 10:33 AM
2

Gotta energize the base.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/22 09:38 AM
6

The second paragraph really brings it home. Before the internet was a necessity for modern life, you at least had a few hours of reprieve from all the humiliation. Nowadays, you not only have to relive if your wish to participate in social media but you're also bombarded by images of contemporaries and peers that are doing much better than you. It isn't surprising at all that they cling to niche/fringe spaces since it is the only community they can blend in and find solidarity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/22 09:25 AM
2

Apex fallacy which is the fatal flaw in their philosophy. There are plenty of men in this sub and MRM I general who are pro-choice but are still expected to be treated like emotional and verbal punching bags for the decisions of a paltry few who will never have the influence those people have. Maybe they should start with the pro-life women and tradcons because those people are who the SCOTUS catered to with this ruling.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 09:02 AM
2

Soul crushing shit. Look out for yourself, gents. I might get downvoted for this, but I'll say it anyway: it is better to be seen as "wifebeater" than to be trapped and powerless(and be charged anyway).
/r/MensRights27/06/22 08:49 AM
5

That's some victim blaming shit. The thing with abuse, especially when it's constantly downplayed and justified, is that it doesn't just eat away at your dignity and confidence, it also strips of hope and trust -- primarily to yourself. You constantly question your judgment and ask yourself if you're overreacting. Or if you could have done something different to stop their malice. Remarks like yours just make it infinitely harder for someone to get help.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 08:43 AM
10

Always sad to hear. The onus is always out in the man while the agency of the woman is downplayed. The fuck is this.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 08:25 AM
7

Of course. Ultimately, the court will put the child's well-being above everything else. I don't have much advice regarding the legal aspects as I was 16 when my father filed for divorce.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 08:24 AM
1

No. Selection is a cornerstone of dating. I know it feels shitty, but autonomy is paramount.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 06:24 AM
1

Does DJ Khaled count? You know that mofo ain't a musician.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 05:56 PM
2

No, man. That is not only unrealistic but also screams deflection. The sooner RvW(or something similar) is passed the better off everyone will be. Women who do not want to have children and are forced into it will likely be poor mother. Which leads to tension in the relationship. Which then leads to divorce. Which then leads to alimony and division of assets. And most of all, puts children in a rough situation. There will never be a time where the government would allow a dude to just walk away …
/r/MensRights26/06/22 05:44 PM
8

It is very unlikely, but that doesn't make it any less problematic especially when the founder of Planned Parenthood is who she is. That's all I'm saying.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 05:40 PM
6

Yes, what else could I be referring to.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 05:33 PM
8

I get what you mean, but this is disturbingly close to Margaret Sanger, don't you think? The racist eugenecist whose convictions for being pro-choice was heavily influenced by hating the fuck out of male POCs?
/r/MensRights26/06/22 05:28 PM
135

Shades of Margaret Sanger, the racist eugenecist.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 05:25 PM
87

I've been pro-choice for as long as I remember, but you are not obliged to fight their fight for them. It's very likely that whatever support you throw their way will be discarded and then it's back to business.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 12:51 PM
1

This social construct thing is beginning to really backfire on them.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 10:24 AM
17

He has a right to be mad and humiliated. I get what you're saying, take the high road and all that. But as tall-ish POC man I can't tell you the number of times I either got angry, dirty looks or completely fearful for existing and doing society things. Even if the way they treated him was borne out of trauma, it still doesn't invalidate the justified embarrassment he felt because of their insidious assumptions.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 10:04 AM
29

When someone assumes and treats you like a would be a rapist for merely walking and existing, wouldn't the term be apt? It's one thing if they are merely vigilant and have their guards up, it's another thing altogether for you to berate someone for something imagined.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 09:51 AM
2

Really? Kinda surprising, but when you've got thousands upon thousands of vids showing that you've no actual interest in equality, I guess it stands to reason.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 07:30 AM
4

That's what I meant. Being duplicitous and willfully disingenuous are things they(feminists) are comfortable with since it's how they are able to garner support all this time. I mean, how many times have you heard that feminism is merely advocating for equality for all sexes? The vast majority of people actually believe that superficial definition. I've no doubt that if they presented gender equality in that manner, the women from the countries you mentioned will be receptive. It's not until the…
/r/MensRights26/06/22 06:16 AM
6

I'm not so sure about that. You're assuming good faith and transparency from them which is a lot to ask. If they do come across these people, they will likely present themselves in the best light and it would not doubt be very easy for them to do so. For the longest time, they've presented as nothing more than crusaders for equality and fairness when in practice, it is hardly that.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 06:09 AM
10

Feminism and wokeness can only exist when they have someone to fight for and defend against. Whether that threat is real or imagined is irrelevant to them. It is a self-fulfilling cycle because it's been designed that way.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 06:05 AM
1

I appreciate what you say, but fact of the matter is these wretched harpies aren't so quick to identify themselves. If they did, this would be far less of a problem.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 05:59 AM
16

That's "empowerment", brother. And what better way to demonstrate your "strength" than to dismantle someone who did nothing to you?
/r/MensRights26/06/22 05:57 AM
16

When people are raised to protect girls and women and portray men as pigs, is it really a surprise?
/r/MensRights26/06/22 05:55 AM
2

Because patriarchy and all that shit. They think that(or likely present) that the hostility and antagonistic behaviour they exhibit is them simply punching up. That said, anyone who calls them out on it are simply propagating the patriarchy. It's a trap because it is designed to be.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 05:52 AM
0

I'm so glad I'm not in the US anymore. Stay strong, brothers.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 04:25 AM
1

Best of luck, man. We all need it.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 04:15 AM
1

Brother, my history and circumstances are a bit extreme so I can't claim that I got out of it. I simply mitigated the pain. Im not really the best resource for this type of advice as I no longer pursue any type of meaningful relationship and I don't see that changing.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 04:10 AM
2

You do what you can. The best part about this? I wasn't even ambushed in some dark alley or had my home invaded. It happened in the open in a resto bar and the only time people rushed in to help me was when I was practically a vegetable. Amazing the amount of damage and cruelty one can imposed when they're determined to.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 03:50 AM
1

I was put in a coma for 4 days by my malignant ex-wife, her brother and her posse, and a meddling "good Samaritan" who smashed a bottle over my head. Only one of them got any jail time and that is only because she had a prior(good Samaritan).
/r/MensRights26/06/22 03:42 AM
2

It is objectively worse as one side's problems receive the vast majority of resources and support, while the other is dismissed and often mocked. Ask yourself this, how many mens shelters are in your city?
/r/MensRights26/06/22 03:38 AM
2

Nothing to apologize for. Simply stating that the whole "not everything is black and white" notion doesn't mean that many things are. Im not saying that you were obfuscating yourself, I'm just particularly touchy when it comes to that sentiment with all the gaslighting experience I got in court with that being used as the weapon. That's all.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 03:33 AM
1

I agree with everything you stated except the very last part. The world doesn't need to be black and white in order for some if not a lot of things to be. Oftentimes, this phrase gets used as a copout to equivocate and obfuscate. Many things in life are self-evident, and the only that "complicates" it is self-interest.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 03:20 AM
14

Bingo. It costs them nothing to support a man victimized by another man. It all supports their rhetoric and ideology. But when the abuser is a woman(especially a white woman) it becomes "complicated" and "nuanced". I've learned from first hand experience that those words are nothing more than code for hypocrisy and moral cowardice. Even if a feminist is sincere in their support of a man, it will ALWAYS be a very distant second to the interest and well being of a woman.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 03:00 AM
10

That's what it all comes down to, I suppose. Priorities illuminate everything from your intention to what you ultimately value when your back is against the wall. Unfortunately, for something to be resolved, enough people from all sides have to prioritize a certain thing. As this discussion has shown, our priorities do not match and very likely never will. Even worse, many of the problems women face are typically at the forefront while men's issues are sidelined. That is where the OPs sentiment …
/r/MensRights26/06/22 01:56 AM
10

Really? The label is more of a problem to you than the actual problem itself? That's the argument you're going with? As for the in theory part, you are anti-draft but as you've already shown, you are fine with "settling" for the status quo of men getting drafted if holding your anti-draft position is untenable. That, at best, is superficial "support".
/r/MensRights26/06/22 01:41 AM
13

And that is where problems arise. You are fine with it in theory and in a vacuum, but when push comes to shove, you will go with what's convenient. The fact that men created the draft does not invalidate the problem posed. If anything, it makes it more insidious.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 01:31 AM
2

That's a pipe dream, friend. And you know it. At best what will happen is, they'll take whatever support we give them then discard us and go back to the relentless vilification.
/r/MensRights25/06/22 11:27 AM
2

Priorities straight. I like it.
/r/MensRights25/06/22 11:19 AM
2

This issue isn't about dudes at all. Grasping at straws in this subject not only detracts from tackling actual men's rights problems but gives the mainstream even more ammunition to aim at us. Focus on the far more pressing matters because there's A LOT of them.
/r/MensRights25/06/22 11:17 AM
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You do not have to identify in order for you adhere or use some, if not all, of its tenets.
/r/MensRights25/06/22 11:10 AM
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Pretty much. Them having stripped of their rights does not benefit men in any meaningful way, and gives them even more ammunition to be hostile to the wrong people.
/r/MensRights25/06/22 10:30 AM
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Like literally every theory, it can be used in bad faith. It's obvious from your description that they just wanted to dismiss and silence what you had to say since in all likelihood it went against what they were saying.
/r/MensRights25/06/22 09:47 AM
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No. Just no.
/r/MensRights25/06/22 07:55 AM
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There are drawbacks for both genders. The extent and contrast of which can be debated. The problem today is that there is no debate to be had. The ideology that women are the oppressed class even today is the status quo and any attempt to say otherwise is met with derision and mockery. I understand that it is a fascinating topic to be discussed but it is largely irrelevant to improving current conditions.
/r/MensRights24/06/22 10:20 AM
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One thing I will give feminists credit for is that they know that there always sides to be picked. And they unequivocally pick theirs. That fact is supported by the article that was linked. Men,especially the younger generations, have had wool pulled over their eyes with all this pretense of gender equality. Only when they see first hand how fuckin' disposable and easily exploitable they are so they wise up and get their ducks in a row.
/r/MensRights24/06/22 10:13 AM
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True. When push comes to shove, you know who is going to sent into the front lines. For all this talk of consent, the well-being and agency of men are still undermined and trivialized.
/r/MensRights24/06/22 10:05 AM
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The article is only superficially true. Even with all the "progress", men are still expected to act like men in the traditional sense while constantly facing unnecessary hostility and vilification. It isn't uncommon for men, especially those who have been on the receiving end of abuse and degradation, to feel trapped and powerless. I certainly was and I know that there are many like me.
/r/MensRights24/06/22 10:03 AM
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Their concerns, as justified as it is, does not invalidate others. I'm sure you're familiar with Emmitt Till and the circumstances that led to his death?
/r/MensRights24/06/22 09:47 AM
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Reminds me of babysitting white twins when I was in my teens. Never again.
/r/MensRights24/06/22 09:05 AM
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Is it really hard to fathom that men are treated with more callousness and disposability? Just the fact women and children's safety is prioritized should tell you where we are in the pecking order when it comes to safety. I've seen you time and again go to these threads where your default position is to dismantle someone else's. If you truly wish to learn( I doubt), it would behoove you not instinctively invalidate.
/r/MensRights24/06/22 09:01 AM
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Existing while man, especially as a brown or black man, isn't a safety concern. Ever since I hit puberty, I cannot tell you how many times I got dirty looks or watched a girl grab their purse like it was to float away for simply being in the same sidewalk or elevator.
/r/MensRights24/06/22 08:56 AM
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So every rape accusation is simply a crime that wasn't proven true? This is the reason why so many men fear false accusations. It never rinses off regardless of what happens.
/r/MensRights23/06/22 10:45 AM
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If we were still in 2002, they would have a point. Fact of the matter is, online discourse constantly bleeds into the real world because the people making them exist in that world as well.
/r/MensRights23/06/22 10:31 AM
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You're already doing good. Thank you. I wish I could say you restored my faith in people, but I'm far too jaded at this point. Best of luck to you and your friend.
/r/MensRights23/06/22 10:11 AM
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Well, you're not entirely wrong. Sharing could be helpful but what I'm getting at is rather simple. No one knows his circumstances better than he does, and one of the things that is so common for men who have been grinded down is the endless stream of advice and "good" intentions that can at times cross into explaining away, dismissiveness or just outright silencing. While POV as a friend could prove valuable, it will never have the same breadth as what he's experiencing. I'm not telling you to …
/r/MensRights23/06/22 10:03 AM
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Don't be dismissive, directly or otherwise. If you truly wish to empathize, focus on listening instead of giving "advice". Chances are, what you have to say has either already been said, thought of, or done. Also, do not put the same weight on your perspective or POV in comparison to what he is experiencing. You have the luxury of being on the outside looking in and relying on theory and what's on the surface or superficially true. He only has a nightmarish reality which is impossible to detach …
/r/MensRights23/06/22 09:32 AM
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What they're experiencing right now is merely the inevitable outcome of what they have supported(and enabled) all these years. Trans rights activists and the rest of the woke crowd can best be compared to Don Quixote - they hack away at windmills thinking they're slaying giants. Anyone who tells them what they're are actually doing are simply dismissed and scrutinized to silence. Unfortunately, all the usual suspects (men,white people,cops) have been derided and demonized enough to the point it …
/r/MensRights23/06/22 08:13 AM
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Nah. Too exhausted.
/r/MensRights23/06/22 07:49 AM
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Unfortunately, there is always a goal post to move. All their arguments are dismissive and self-fulfilling.
/r/MensRights23/06/22 01:33 AM
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That's not a bad thing all things considered. There is nothing that destroys woke faster than woke itself, and only if enough people are trampled will it go away or have it's substantial power diminished. Men have always been easy targets. Now, people who want to remain in the good graces of this modern dogma will have to pick a side as the "usual enemies(men)" have already been dealt with.
/r/MensRights22/06/22 11:31 PM
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It's zero sum game then? Unjustified hateful conduct towards someone is only valid if it's from someone who is on the perceived oppressed class regardless of circumstance, context and dynamic? The point I'm trying to make is simple, things don't need to be completely equal to penalize unjustified hateful, malicious conduct. That isn't a requirement, it's a bad faith argument.
/r/MensRights22/06/22 06:38 AM
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Even if that were true, does it have to be? Does it only count then? Would it only have value if things were completely equal? You're so reductive and transparent which is why I told you to just say what you truly mean to say instead of jumping through all these hoops with your mental gymnastics.
/r/MensRights22/06/22 03:03 AM
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Yup. They made their own choice but their hostility and hatred wasn't created in a vacuum.
/r/MensRights21/06/22 10:26 AM
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It is the way of the world sadly. Engaging them in any type of conversation about it will only out the target squarely on your back. They know it's offensive and completely normalizes the dehumanization of men but they will do so anyway. Wanna know why? Cause they can.
/r/MensRights21/06/22 10:24 AM
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That they desperately try to keep on. Such a shame.
/r/MensRights21/06/22 10:12 AM
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Any law can be abused. Spare us the sophistry and say what you truly mean to say. If you're going to be a twat, at least have the ovaries to go with it.
/r/MensRights21/06/22 10:08 AM
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As long as they don't stand up for men, this article is nothing but a platitude.
/r/MensRights21/06/22 12:03 AM
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Feminist tactics being used on feminists. What a time to be alive.
/r/MensRights20/06/22 08:04 AM
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The worst job I've ever had was babysitting for wealthy white family while brown and male. As soon as we got to the playground, I could feel people's judgmental eyes all over me.
/r/MensRights18/06/22 01:27 PM
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Stop expecting it to. Makes it much easier. Just know that when push comes to shove, you are the one going to get shoved under the bus.
/r/MensRights18/06/22 01:25 PM
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How about not being smug and assumptions? Works too, right? The example you pointed out shows the problem. Men not only have to worry about wronging someone but the perception that they may have in bad faith as well. Literally everything can be misconstrued if the person doing so is determined to make it stick.
/r/MensRights18/06/22 01:12 PM
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Because it's convenient to do so? People are not beholden to consistency and good faith if that's what you're asking.
/r/MensRights17/06/22 12:00 AM
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If feminism is Charybdis, traditionalism is Scylla. I hope this shows people that Republicans and conservatives do not have our best interests at heart and never have.
/r/MensRights16/06/22 11:55 PM
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Nah. I like it just fine, and the people who understand will understand. You're welcome.
/r/MensRights16/06/22 11:53 PM
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MRM is already shunned and denigrated the way it is. A movement you speak will only be shunned even more. Just be pragmatic and value yourself and the men around you and that will provide a world of difference. One of the biggest reasons why tenets of feminism is now part of the status quo is the willingness of men to turn a blind eye and throw each other under the bus for minor inconvenience.
/r/MensRights16/06/22 11:51 PM
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I don't reward willful obtuseness. If you don't see it, then you don't see it. I can proceed just fine.
/r/MensRights16/06/22 11:45 PM
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Their demand and expectations? It doesn't have to be declared in order for it to be communicated, you know?
/r/MensRights16/06/22 11:41 PM
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The world could end and they would find a way still while women are disproportionately the victims. This isn't the least bit surprising.
/r/MensRights15/06/22 02:11 AM
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This isn't a surprise. The vast majority of people,men included, give themselves more leeway to be callous and dismissive towards men.
/r/MensRights15/06/22 01:39 AM
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Theory is meaningless without practice. We don't live in a dictionary, you know?
/r/MensRights15/06/22 01:02 AM
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Because them deeming us human is part of the women's rights that they continue to fight for. They won't say it outright, but their actions, how they defend them and what they prioritize reveal everything.
/r/MensRights15/06/22 12:42 AM
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The same people who decry toxic masculinity will not hesitate to use its tenets to invalidate and dismiss the pains and struggles of a man. Theory is hardly ever the same as practice.
/r/MensRights15/06/22 12:33 AM
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By that same token, there is far greater pressure for men to provide and protect the family. Yes, societal expectations do play a factor but the burden isn't just thrust upon women, it's also put on men. Do you honestly think that there are men out there who grew up wanting to clean sewers and shit? To work themselves to death in a job they abhor?
/r/MensRights15/06/22 12:28 AM
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I could've been among these people. Never been more grateful to termites.
/r/MensRights14/06/22 09:54 AM
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You can't. At this point in time, the best you can do is look after yourself and those around you. That may sound selfish, but know that whatever argument you make - no matter how cogent - will be dismissed and invalidated because their default position is to undermine yours. And any man who backs them up gets a pat in the back for smugly doing so. Communication and reason only works when the other party is willing to cooperate in good faith.
/r/MensRights14/06/22 12:20 AM
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They are merely playing the game that they always have -- plausible deniability.
/r/MensRights14/06/22 12:16 AM
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Because this argument isn't about fairness or resolution, it's to preemptively justify their callousness. They don't want to hear "not all men" because it dismantles their narrative succintly. If we concede,however, that emboldens them to do it more. It's a self-fulfilling trap and nothing more.
/r/MensRights14/06/22 12:10 AM
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Not surprising. Of course they are outraged that a guy is treated with some sense of compassion. If you're a man, your humanity is merely optional.
/r/MensRights13/06/22 02:20 PM
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They do. When people justify their cruelty(or enable it), it's never for lack of knowledge or intelligence, it's integrity and GENUINE empathy.
/r/MensRights13/06/22 02:02 PM
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