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It's a super weird world where your name is "BecomingABetterMan" and you refer to the opposite gender as a whole with a derogatory term.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/24 03:22 AM
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If you're looking for a job, do you only apply to one position at a specific place and agonise over whether you get it or not? Stop focusing on a specific result (ie getting a particular girl, getting a particular job at a particular place) and focus on the process that increases your chance of A result (talking to many girls, applying to many jobs). This answer needs to be copy pasted into any thread about 'this particular thing happened with this particular girl'.
/r/TheRedPill22/11/23 02:42 AM
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Wait so you separated from your wife who you said was a huge help in keeping you motivated etc? What's the story there?
/r/TheRedPill25/10/23 05:56 AM
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Just on your point of how many women it takes to approach and succeed etc... Many, many women are in existing relationships. So, the odds that ANY guy walking up to a woman om the street and succeeding to take it to the bedroom is probably in the (absolute best case scenario) 10%. So I would wager that if Chris Hemsworth (just the looks, not celeb status too) was single and approached women, he would probably average 1 in 10. The other 9 are married, partner, fuck buddy they want to make serious…
/r/TheRedPill24/12/22 04:55 AM
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What is this fantasy land where you think women are actually hooking up with a random guy EVERY WEEK? Try talking to real women before pulling this absurd number out of your ass.
/r/TheRedPill27/06/22 06:08 AM
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People say this but honestly fuck it, what are you gonna do, develop some kind of ridiculous routine of wacky off the wall shit to say just because some guys on the internet told you it worked? It's a numbers game dude. Just get jacked, spam approaches and you will get the pussy. No need to complicate it with 7 second windows, hooking attention or any of that BS. The 7 seconds she is taking is really just her deciding if you are 2 things : Are you attractive enough that she would fuck you. Are y…
/r/TheRedPill16/07/18 03:40 AM
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Cold approach is always hit or miss. Its true that you can do it badly, id also say its pointless unless you have your shit handled (fitness, dress, grooming). so really, do cold approach if you are happy with your life in these areas and just struggling to find a source of women to meet.
/r/seduction02/05/18 02:53 AM
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Really all you have to do is keep going for the next level until she says yes/no. The key though is how you handle the 'not interested' if it comes. Obviously she will go easy if shes not keen so you just need to reciprocate that if it happens. The only person who can fuck it up is you if you areng understanding if shes not into it.
/r/seduction02/05/18 02:41 AM
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Why? Because you think rejection will make you hate yourself even more? Well, what's the opposite of getting rejected? Let's say you find a girl who accepts you and you get together. It will be a nightmare, because you will be paranoid you aren't good enough, you will be needy because you are scared she will leave and eventually you will drive her away. You need to prove to yourself that being rejected doesn't matter. There's no other way dude.
/r/seduction10/07/17 09:07 PM
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The reason you suck with women is because you think you SHOULD do well with them, because you think you are good looking/tall etc... Basically, you think you are too good to fail. It's called 'ego'. Most guys think like this, even ugly/short/fat guys. Why? Because if we didn't have an ego, we would probably get ourselves killed, it's a survival mechanism. It's designed to stop us doing 'risky things' that could get us kicked out of the tribe (IE approaching the chieftains wife for sex). So how d…
/r/seduction09/07/17 10:41 PM
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So basically, force yourself to do shit you might not want to do simply to look busy to women. Gotcha. Come on dude. If you think you have to do half that shit to get women you are sorely mistaken. All you need to get women is to be in decent shape and meet as many as you have time for. Why overcomplicate it with all the aforementioned busywork if the end goal is to get laid?
/r/TheRedPill02/06/17 01:19 PM
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I've done probably around 1k approaches, still get AA. Never goes away. It's a defense mechanism built into every human being. Just keep approaching, don't mental masturbate about each individual set and just spam approaches, that's literally all pickup is, approach like hell.
/r/seduction28/04/17 12:45 PM
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If it's been awkward and she still wants to see you, you literally have nothing to worry about (as long as you haven't said anything like "yeah I'm cool with just being friends)
/r/seduction28/04/17 12:28 PM
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Worry about what you can control, not what you can't control. Let's say 7 out of 10 girls flake you. That's still 3 that don't. So now you know, for every 10 girls you meet, look for the top 3 that don't flake. Can you reduce the flake number? Maybe, but who knows where the problem is? Could be a million things. Focus on what you can control IE how many girls you approach and talk to each day.
/r/seduction28/04/17 12:26 PM
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Do the following 4 steps and I guarentee, you will meet and sleep with younger women. Step 1. Approach 1 girl who looks early 20's on the street/mall/public place every day. Step 2.Say the following : "Hi, I know it's kind of random but I saw you and thought you were cute, I'm ________, what's your name?" Step 3. Chit-chat about anything light hearted...your day/her day/where you are/what she's wearing/what you're doing later etc Do this for at least a couple minutes if possible. Don't skip this…
/r/seduction28/04/17 11:47 AM
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1 approach per day. That's all you need. "Hi, I'm _______, I know it's random but I thought you were cute and wanted to meet you, what's your name?" Once per day. See how many days in a row you can do this. I know you work nights, so just aim to leave an hour or so earlier before work and make it the thing you do before each shift. It's not easy, that's why hardly any guys do it. But it's the single best thing to : Boost your confidence. Get better at meeting/talking to women. Get a date/girlfri…
/r/seduction28/04/17 11:37 AM
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A post telling you to wear fingerless gloves and scarves and you will see instant results is good? If you took the top 100 best guys who knew how to seduce women in and out, do you think they would agree this is the #1 reason guys suck with girls? Come on. I don't mean to be negative but this post is insanely long winded and reads like a Tony Robbins seminar transcript.
/r/seduction28/04/17 10:03 AM
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Approach anxiety cured, you say? Well, you will make millions then because no coach or other person on the planet has a "cure" for the natural self defense's mechanisms human beings have developed through evolution. Seriously though, good for you for feeling like you have broken down a barrier in your mindset, but you can't cure AA. It's always there, but you can get it much more "under control" with practice.
/r/seduction28/04/17 02:39 AM
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How many cold approaches have you done in 4 years? Sorry, but Tinder and most online dating is very difficult unless you are above average looking. Cold approach is more effective because you can convey your entire personality in person, rather than through a one paragraph summary on Tinder. In short, come back here after you've done 100 cold approaches and tell us you still feel you aren't making progress.
/r/seduction28/04/17 02:35 AM
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Cos it's more effort than it's worth. Use 3 strikes or she's out. Ask, then push twice more. If still no, you're done. Next girl.
/r/seduction28/04/17 02:14 AM
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This is basically it. The guys who you see with the most confidence IE don't give a fuck, are simply the guys who have been in SO MANY social situations that they have basically "seen it all". You need to push your comfort zone. Make it awkward, feel the awkwardness and show your mind you can "take it". Then guess what? Once you have done this for a while, your mind finally goes..."yeah...I CAN take this". And you grow from there.
/r/seduction28/04/17 02:07 AM
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You know what stopped it for me in high school? I'm not advising anything here, just passing on what worked for me. I snapped one day and just started swinging at the biggest guy. He actually "won" the fight, in that he got me in a headlock and got a few good hits in. But that didn't matter. No one else gave me any shit from then on. Why? Because now they knew I might "snap" on them and it just wasn't worth it anymore. They found easier targets. Again, I'm not advising violence, just saying what…
/r/seduction28/04/17 02:04 AM
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Ask yourself why you wrote the very first sentence in your post : I want to believe in it. I have 1000+ approaches since 2009. I've read just about anything relating to pickup since 2009. I've interviewed pickup coaches IRL. Here is everything you ever need to know about pickup in one sentence : Stop giving a fuck what other people think + talk to girls + flirt/escalate = sex. The only one that needs explaining is how to stop giving a fuck what people think : This is ONLY achieved by repeatedly …
/r/seduction27/04/17 12:49 PM
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How do you know that's the reason? What if she just doesn't like you? What if she has a boyfriend? What if she's gay? What if she's tired? What if she didn't like one tiny thing you said and just isn't interested now? Do you see how what you are interpreting as the reason for failure (ie overescalating/underescalating) will BARELY have ANY impact on whether you actually get anywhere with this girl or not? It could one in a million different reasons you are being blown out. You have no idea the r…
/r/seduction27/04/17 12:40 PM
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Stop caring what other people think + talk to girls + flirt/escalate = sex. Don't read the sidebar. Don't bother even reading anything else about pickup LITERALLY except the above sentence. I have 1000+ approaches, read all the bullshit, met pickup teachers in real life etc. It all boils down to the above sentence. Stop caring what people think This is the hardest part and will only come with LOTS of time. You won't ever truly stop caring what people think, but you can dull it down ALOT in a rel…
/r/seduction27/04/17 12:30 PM
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Does the answer even matter? What would you do if she said nothing? Why live in reaction to what other people think? Stop caring what others think + talk to girls + flirt and escalate = sex.
/r/seduction27/04/17 12:24 PM
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Now that I've read your thread, I'm going to try to put into context my reply : Who cares about 'frames'? Are you talking to a girl? That's good. Are you trying to be more than friends (flirting, escalating etc)? That's good too. That's all that you need to know, honestly. That, plus don't give a fuck what other people think = get laid. RSD and other companies make all these bullshit frameworks up to complicate things to charge you money. Don't care what people think + talk to girls + escalate =…
/r/seduction27/04/17 12:22 PM
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I'm going to post this without even reading your post, then I want you to determine if the answer could apply in your situation and let me know if I'm an idiot or you think it makes sense: Stop giving a fuck what other people think. Do you think this could apply to your question?
/r/seduction27/04/17 12:20 PM
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I think we all have a friend that is similar to you. Basically, your image of yourself is the 'intelligent, smart' guy. This self image sucks, because you second guess everything you do because you are worried you might fuck up and won't 'look smart' in front of others. Every thread in this subreddit could be answered with the following : Stop giving a fuck what other people think. That's it. I mean, look at your post. It's ALL ABOUT what you or other people think of you. So then really, your qu…
/r/seduction27/04/17 11:59 AM
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Why is it a guarentee that shes not increasing her partner count because she has a FWB? Thats how its distinguished from a traditional romantic relationship and called 'FWB' : it's not monogamous.
/r/TheRedPill25/08/15 01:24 PM
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You've been reading TRP for 5 months and are giving advice as if you've done thousands of approaches? How much of your theory have you proven through real life experience? You use ALOT of old school PUA terminology which makes me think youve read a lot of theory but thats also usually a sign of someone who doesnt have much in field experience. Also, the massive importance you place on 'passing' shit tests just sounds very outcome dependent, which screams lack of field experience.
/r/TheRedPill25/08/15 01:07 PM
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I don't buy it. She drove 45 minutes to meet you. At your home. From a Tinder match. You already had massive SMV to get the above to even occur. Sharing your background on how you made the above even happen would probably be much more insightful than your current post. All this 'abandonment' game was a non-issue. She would have fucked you even if you just sat there agreeing and apologizing. She was DTF. I'm not saying that the ability to walk away isnt attractive, but in this instance, it was dw…
/r/TheRedPill25/08/15 10:24 AM
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They know what's happening to the market when someone is dumping cheap pussy product. Also just on this point...IMO this is just scarcity mentality, both on the part of men AND women. Women actually think they will lose the power of their pussy (when we know there will ALWAYS be thirsty men) and men think that by artificially trying to retrict women with slut shaming, they will artificially boost the amount of available women for LTR's. It just doesn't work that way. You can't make more money by…
/r/TheRedPill23/08/15 12:00 PM
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Very interesting post. I would argue though...I think your examples are a bit of a case of apples and oranges because there is no 'outlet' for marriage, as there is for these other examples you give. You can commit quite easily to eating healthy for 50+ years. And even then, we all splurge on a night out with friends. You can enjoy the thrill of 'violence' in many ways without actually doing it, including videogames, competitive sport etc. In fact, even if you just absolutely CRAVED to fight oth…
/r/TheRedPill23/08/15 11:51 AM
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I edited my post to make it more clear, you probably didn't bother to read it all, but the key is that feminists are just women who got lied to and actually thought men cared about intelligence/career focused women etc Once they realized we just want tits, ass and a submissive, loyal woman, they got mad because everything they worked for was never going to get them Chad
/r/TheRedPill14/08/15 03:08 PM
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Great example with amateur/pro analogy.
/r/TheRedPill13/08/15 01:50 PM
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I read your theory about charm and love in another post, very interesting, where did you read about it?
/r/TheRedPill20/05/15 03:21 PM
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So I'm asking you : you think it's fine that you bang multiple women in an LTR but she can't? You don't think that's hypocritical? Or is your argument that its not hypocritical because you could be duped into raising it? Thats just a matter of DNA testing though...
/r/TheRedPill20/10/14 09:00 PM
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I have to disagree that it's alpha to resent women for wanting lots of sex too. It's a fear based, scarcity mentality that she can't enjoy multiple sexual partners while the supposed 'alpha' can bang whoever he wants. Even if you want kids, you know you will naturally desire to bang multiple women, regardless of how much you are into her, so the argument for 'All men desire purity because of the risk of raising another mans child' is still a fear based and hypocritical worldview that ISN'T alpha…
/r/TheRedPill20/10/14 07:38 PM
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Actually yes, I just discovered this in another thread recently : Make a semi-sexual, somewhat risque suggestion/joke towards her, something like 'You'd be a great stripper' or 'Do you love to flirt?' Basically you are testing her tolerance to being put into a sexual frame by you. If she resists and says something like 'Uh...no...' she's most likely not interested OR a very shy girl. If she complies with the frame, something like 'Do you think so?' or 'Haha OK then' then shes most likely keen. D…
/r/TheRedPill18/10/14 06:56 AM
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I gave you Gold for this comment, it's really insightful, thanks man. I have been reading pickup stuff for years and never thought of a reasonably subtle way to tell the difference between girls who are just overly friendly or actually keen. In the past, I would just flat out physically escalate or be super direct, but this is a more socially acceptable way to find out if they are keen, not to mention to test groups of women.
/r/TheRedPill15/10/14 11:07 AM
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Well, to be honest, Id just start with the basics of : - Plans for weekend? - What are you good at? - Have you seen/heard the latest album/movie of X?? - Any holidays planned? - Make observations of the enviroment..."Have you been to that store? Have you eaten there?" Light hearted stuff gives you 'hooks' or other talking points within the small tall that is actually more interesting to you. For example : Favourite album -> Favourite song -> How it makes her feel -> What other things make her fe…
/r/seduction03/10/14 07:06 PM
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If you want want honest feedback... Having the mindset that small talk is 'a waste of your time' is the reason you are struggling socially. Not because you 'just dont like small talk and most people do', but because conversation is give and take, not just 'take take take'. If you want more friends, be more accepting and open to others and dont dismiss their approach to conversation as 'beneat you'. Even if its slightly boring, no ones a perfect conversationalist and small tall is just kindling t…
/r/seduction02/10/14 06:26 PM
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Do you cold approach? Being a salesman and pickup student, I have done hundreds of cold approaches. I have also done Dating sites/Tinder. In sales, I have made hundreds of cold calls and cold in-person meetings with prospective clients. The difference between a cold phone call and a cold in person meeting (in terms of closing a deal) is about a 5 times improvement in results on average, in favour of in person VS phone call. My point is that although Tinder is more convenient than cold approach, …
/r/seduction01/10/14 04:31 PM
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I had the same issue when I was really into game a few years back. I think it really comes down to commonalities and just basic 'getting along' principles of friendship. If you don't really have much in common with most of the girls you meet (and let's face it, its pretty rare to find girls that you share alot in common with if you are a reformed nerd or geek), then you will find the relationship stalling and eventually fizzling out pretty quick. Think about meeting a new acquaintance. If you ha…
/r/seduction09/11/13 11:31 AM
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