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| 6 | Having your cake and eating it tooThere is a difference between being burned and learning from it and being burned and getting hung up on it to the point where the resentment warps your perception and provides you with a skewed view of reality, relationships and women. The point is that the attitude that OP is referencing results from a warped view of female sexuality that is fed by such resentments - women become an unrelatable enemy, thus when they're evaluating womens' behavior it tends to be wrong and negative rather than ac… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/15 01:18 AM |
| 26 | Having your cake and eating it tooNumber of sexual partners for a woman is closely correlated to divorce and an unhappy marriage. This is actually true for both men and women, so one would think if the people saying this were truly concerned about divorce rates, they would abstain from engaging in casual sex themselves, and would adopt more traditional or conservative values. Additionally, if divorce rates are truly a concern, many of the other tips or guides that TRP offers for long term relationships seem to advocate in favor … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/15 04:55 PM |
| 20 | Having your cake and eating it tooI think a RP-er would say that it's different for men and women, that they're judged differently or something about lock and keys, but I think most people can read past through the rationalization and realize that it comes down to one or two things: Having your cake and eating it too. They like to fuck around but are uncomfortable with the idea of their partner fucking around for one of many reasons and therefore prefer their partner did not. I think this is a less commonly stated answer, but to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/15 04:19 PM |
| 2 | What's your ideal divorce, alimony, and child support law?It's a misrepresentation that is made off of the fact that the most common version of this law being applied IS a mother giving up the child to adoption because the father does not want anything to do with it. That is just the dynamic that most frequently results, but you are correct, this law is not a "woman's right," it applies to both genders. I feel like most men are not even aware that it is their legal right to claim a child that the mother wishes to put up for adoption. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/14 06:06 PM |
| 1 | What's your ideal divorce, alimony, and child support law?I'm kind of with Denswend on this though. The presumption he put was that abortions would be legal, safe, and available options everywhere, so we do not have to worry about back alley abortions or a pregnant woman driving 500 miles to get an abortion. Terminating a pregnancy is a serious decision, but I do not think it's right to rob the father of any say as a result. Instead, the focus should go into making sure adequate steps are taken to prevent a pregnancy in the first place. Obviously, some… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/14 05:34 PM |
| 3 | What's your ideal divorce, alimony, and child support law?So I posted this in my comment but I have some solutions that would at least make it more fair to men in terms of child support and fatherhood while still maintaining the distinction that the child does physically grow in the mother and maintaining her bodily autonomy. Financial abortion would be allowed, but only within the first 4 months of pregnancy. Late abortions are generally considered incredibly unsafe, and abortions after 5 months are considered illegal in most places as the unborn fetu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/14 05:20 PM |
| 7 | What's your ideal divorce, alimony, and child support law?I'm going to work off of ideas already mentioned here, as some, like /u/Denswend, bring up good points but ultimately take it to too an extreme of a side. If there is a problem with the current laws heavily favoring one side, swinging to the opposite direction isn't really a solution. I'm also for no fault divorce, in which a child custody plan is drafted so children are shared equally or as equally as possible. A certain percentage of both partners' paychecks will be expected to go a joint fund… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/14 05:07 PM |
| 2 | Mods: Glossary/FAQ of Red Pill conceptsActually to better clarify what I'm trying to say: Let's say I was reading TRP, and I saw a field report about a guy using dread game on a girl (the active manipulation type) and so I made a PPD thread about whether dread game is a useful tactic and what implications it has. I'm not asking RP-ers here to defend that action. Above, that's what you thought I was saying, but no. I'm asking them to simply not deflect the issue. If a RP-er disagrees with that kind of dread game, why not say something… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/14 06:04 PM |
| 2 | Mods: Glossary/FAQ of Red Pill conceptsI don't disagree that material on TRP is meant for a RP audience but I disagree it is hyperbole. There is explicit discussion of the specific meanings of terms, as well as field reports reflecting their usage. The problem is, when I or other BP-ers then cite these terms, we are called "misconstruing it" because we are not using the watered down version. Why? I've seen dread game defined as active manipulation of your partner on TRP, but on here, I've seen it defined as nothing more than, "having… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/14 05:45 PM |
| 17 | Hypocrisy, TBP vs TRPI'm not sure what relevance gender inequality has in the scope of something like dread game. Dread game is a method used to get some desired effect from your partner by using their emotional investment in you against them by holding your own emotional investment hostage until they do the action you want. Since both partners are capable of getting emotionally invested and both partners want to prevent the loss of a partner they are emotionally invested in, it works on both. Dread game is not nece… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/14 05:30 PM |
| 11 | Hypocrisy, TBP vs TRPI think everybody is hypocritical to an extent. I do think in this sphere, RP-ers are more hypocritical, probably as a result of their focus on female behavior and sexual strategy. It doesn't seem like male behavior is frequently discussed, and certainly not to the extent that female behavior is. I do think on some degree, this may start to consciously or subconsciously manifest into a thinking pattern where you start believing that men are free from the faults that are being attributed to women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/14 03:33 PM |
| 2 | Mods: Glossary/FAQ of Red Pill conceptsThat's not what I said, and I'm not going to discuss things I haven't said and arguments I haven't made. For the record, my point was this: TRP-ers here are a lot more moderate compared to MOST of TRP, and GENERAL RP IDEOLOGY. As such, they take terms and definitions that are already explicitly defined on TRP in 1 way, and accepted by most of the subreddit's members, and then redefine it into something benign so that no one on here can challenge it. And even that would be fine (discussing your o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/14 03:17 PM |
| 4 | Mods: Glossary/FAQ of Red Pill conceptsOnce again, that's not what I said. Take a second and actually read the entire post I made without projecting words into it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/14 02:40 PM |
| 2 | Mods: Glossary/FAQ of Red Pill conceptsYou think redpillschool is moderate? I said most. Most of the people you mentioned rarely post in here in the first place. Even if it did, what does it matter? What is your point? I already explicitly stated what the point is. My point is that BP-ers are here trying to debate the things they see on TRP, but every time they attempt to do so, they are dismissed as having "misconceptions" because the moderate RP-ers on here have a different interpretation of a lot of the terms compared to the avera… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/14 02:30 PM |
| 1 | Mods: Glossary/FAQ of Red Pill conceptsIt's implied. You're projecting and being condescending while you're at it. The only one who has their panties in a bunch is you, and over nothing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/14 02:15 PM |
| 5 | Mods: Glossary/FAQ of Red Pill conceptsThat's not what I said, at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/14 06:47 AM |
| 2 | Mods: Glossary/FAQ of Red Pill conceptsWho will be doing the defining though? The average RP-er here? No thank you. Most of TRP here is far moderate compared to the average community member on TRP, and tend to distance themselves from the "ickier" aspects of TRP ideology, to the point where definitions like the ones you cited are constantly redefined as something better or more benign than what you see on TRP. As annoying as you find it to have to keep rehashing the same "misconceptions," we BP-ers find it annoying to have to battle … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/14 03:16 AM |
| 12 | Question for both pills: What would you tell a 35yo virgin who never had a woman so much as express an interest in him?I would honestly probe more into how he approaches women and observe his general interaction with people. Based on this alone, you can usually pinpoint what the problem is, and give catered specific advice on how to fix it, rather than attempt to work with generalizations, whether they are RP or BP. From personal experience, 80% of the time it's an issue of coming on too strong to the point where it's weird, or just being too shy/awkward and not even approaching women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/14 03:07 AM |
| 1 | The definition of Amoral?And what you're doing is pointing to some of the worse possible interpretations of a theory, and trying to use those to characterize the entire line of thought. No. I specified what the line of thought is intended to mean, and then I went on to characterize how it's actually being interpreted by the subject at hand (RP-ers). I think how things are interpreted and what impact it actually has on people and their behavior is a lot more relevant than an abstract idea that lives in a theoretical vacu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/14 03:00 AM |
| 1 | The definition of Amoral?But let's say we have a 28 year old woman who has been in a relationship with a man for 5 years now. During those 5 years, she has made it clear she is interested in marriage or children, and each time the man has reassured her that he is interested in the same. Let's say in reality, he never intended to marry her, has a vasectomy, and plans on dumping her when he turns 30 because he wants to move to another state. Is the deception, lying and reassuring her his goals are aligned with her's, not … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/14 04:18 PM |
| 3 | The definition of Amoral?I come here to debate ideas, not to defend whatever % of TRP that doesn't understand the terms they use. Surely then, the interpretation of ideas, especially in a thread titled "What is the definition of ____" is relevant? I would go further to say that discussions about the consequences of certain interpretations also falls under the category of discussing ideas, and to highlight the extent/scope of the issue. Again, the way you phrased this shows a disconnect with how TRP thinks about these is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/14 04:13 PM |
| 3 | The definition of Amoral?I would say it is mitigated by saving sperm because that leaves fertility as an option. It's not from personal experience, persay. I'm 25 and in a LTR. We've already discussed having kids and marriage, and our goals align, so as long as the relationship continues going well, those things will be in our future. But if 5 or 7 years down the line my boyfriend were to surprise me with news that he actually had a vasectomy, or that he never intended to marry me, I would feel deceived comparable if no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/14 04:00 PM |
| 10 | What constitutes being Blue PillTBP would be comprised of all of the alternative sexual/love strategies to TRP. If you think about it, it's all of what TRP rejects when they swallow TRP. So anybody who believes treating women as equals or with respect doesn't end badly, for example, which encompasses a wide variety of individuals and ideologies, not just tumbler feminists an SJW's as RP-ers sometimes like to limit the BP to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/14 03:27 PM |
| 3 | The definition of Amoral?They're not meant to be even or comparable examples, but rather they are simply immoral actions I've seen noted. As a sidenote, withholding information about a vasectomy with a LTR partner who you know wants to have kids is immoral. It may serve your best interest not to tell them because they may leave and not waste time and investment into the relationship, but it's immoral. Same with telling a partner you intend to marry them when you don't. The situation you described is completely different… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/14 03:19 PM |
| 3 | The definition of Amoral?He is literally arguing that amorality itself is some kind of social disease that needs to be shamed away. That's because the number of actions that fall into the neutral line of neither moral nor immoral are few and far between. Most actions fall on one side or the other. But the most important point here that you are distancing yourself from is that people who tout "sexual strategy is amoral" frequently do so to justify immoral actions on their part. You can criticize that mentality, but for t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/14 03:01 PM |
| 4 | Are cliches and sentiments from female culture like "where have all the good men gone" and "a good man is hard to find" etc basically the same thing as the RP "unicorn" thing?I would say they're more like "Women can't love like men" or "Women can't be loyal." It's the phrases made by and intended for disillusioned individuals who, rather than admit that they may play a part in why they can't find suitable partners, like to push that responsibility outward. It's not that they repel decent people from their life or that they're awful at selecting partners, it's the world's fault for not having good men/good women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/14 02:35 PM |
| 9 | The definition of Amoral?Typically when I've asked Red Pillers about this, they've said that sexual strategy is amoral, whereas actions are not, which is true. Sexual strategy does not inherently have morality. However, there still seems to be a significant portion of them who confuse the two; they commit amoral actions like cheating, and then retort "sexual strategy is amoral" as if that is a justification for their shitty actions. Personally I think to even have threads dedicated to explaining that sexual strategy is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/14 02:29 PM |
| 2 | Serious question about finances (primarily for blue pill)Is this "fuck you I do what I want!" attitude a common attitude to have within blue pill relationships? Not even remotely. This is just a bad relationship because of a selfish individual who is not willing to act in accordance with a partnership - it has nothing to do with red or blue. The main difference between "red pill relationships" and "blue pill relationships" is that in blue pill relationships, you will typically see both partners being the breadwinners instead of one bringing home money… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/14 05:07 AM |
| 1 | Purple Pills, if you had to choose a pill today which one would you swallow?I don't take any ideology as a single solution. Speaking in a general sense, RP as a "solution" for your love troubles. Obviously RP itself contains different method and techniques (solutions) to improve your love life, but I'm using a very general meaning for the word solution. In the sense that RP is a solution, there are multiple "solutions" in BP ideology. Your example of feminism is good but I would say BP is more like feminists, and maybe non-feminists who disagree with particular premises… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/14 05:44 PM |
| 10 | Purple Pills, if you had to choose a pill today which one would you swallow?sexual promiscuity is an excellent proxy for character in a woman. Because it's not. It's actually really, really weak, especially when compared to easier and more obvious criteria. With it, you may reject a LOT of loyal woman and still wind up with a virgin that cheats because you did not focus on the most relevant criteria for fidelity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/14 05:39 PM |
| 6 | Purple Pills, if you had to choose a pill today which one would you swallow?Because, To put it simplistic, focus is a limited resource. You cannot endlessly calculate odds of multiple variables. You also weed out too many potential partners by having a laundry list of criteria. Efficiency is important as it allows you the flexibility of having options while simultaneously ensuring that your best interests are protected. Generally, people like RP-ers OVERWEIGH the importance of sexual history compared to the other two things (and other things in general, I only listed tw… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/14 05:36 PM |
| 1 | Purple Pills, if you had to choose a pill today which one would you swallow?There is a ton of variance in the people who fit certain themes of bp ideology. There's a lot more variance in the ideology as well. Idk if you saw my edit, but basically an even simpler way of saying what I'm trying to say is BP are all of the alternate solutions that RP-ers would say haven't worked for them. There's going to be certain consistent themes that are present in the alternate solutions because they were all rejected for particular reasons. For example, they may all operate on the pr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/14 05:19 PM |
| 2 | Purple Pills, if you had to choose a pill today which one would you swallow?I think there is a BP ideology. I think you can characterize it by saying it's what the average person would think or mainstream society. Where it gets problematic is when RP-ers presume that BP ideology is as uniform and set as their own ideology. In fact, many RP-ers seem compelled to define it as rigidly as their own ideology, which inevitably leads to strawman like stances. There is a lot more variance in BP ideology (70,000 self-identified individuals who actively adopt a particular ideolog… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/14 05:07 PM |
| 11 | Purple Pills, if you had to choose a pill today which one would you swallow?Anyone who tells men to "just be themselves", to supplicate women and to disregard female sexual history is giving "blue pill " advice, not just militant feminists I don't think most people are doing that. "Be yourself," means don't sacrifice traits/characteristics/beliefs/hobbies that are important to you for a partner, which is pretty much the opposite of supplicating women. And in regards to female sexual history, both genders tend to sleep around in their late teens and early 20's and both a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/14 04:52 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: Is Consensual Rape Possible?This appears to be communication but it is more like a petty ultimatum, which may be coercive depending on the circumstances of the relationship (if the SO is thrown out and has no where to go). Actual communication would take this form: "Listen, lately I am unhappy with our sex life. We used to have sex 4x a week and it's down to once every 3 weeks. I feel that my need are being met, and I want to figure out what is causing this so we can work on it together and fix it, because sex is important… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/14 04:42 PM |
| 2 | Discussion: Is Consensual Rape Possible?"I'll break up with you if you don't have sex with me." I think this is emotional manipulation, which, while reprehensible, is not illegal. "I'll tell your mom about the check you forged if you don't have sex with me." This might be moving into a legal territory by skirting the boundaries of blackmail. I think sex that occurs as a result of blackmail is not voluntary. "I'll make up a rumor about you and tell it to your friends if you don't have sex with me." Gut reaction tells me no, this would … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/14 04:03 AM |
| 3 | What is the best thing about the other pill?Couldn't this be an effective way to "fake it till you make it" wrt confidence? Faking it til you make it might work as long as you're not using it as a crutch or a total replacement for actually building confidence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/14 03:50 AM |
| 5 | What do married RPers think about this?He's using her as an example but he's talking about all women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 04:11 PM |
| 9 | What do married RPers think about this?So, TRP advocates making generalizations about a group so varied as half the world's population based on pure anecdotes or personal experiences with a few women, but you cannot make generalizations about a ideological group to whom people voluntarily subscribe to and about the individuals specifically chosen to speak on behalf of the ideology? That's like saying the Pope's discussions about Catholicism don't matter, even though he was specifically chosen for that ability and to speak on the beha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 04:08 PM |
| 5 | What do married RPers think about this?nd her belief that you can just sleep in bed with men unscathed is nuts to me. What? Are men animals with no self-control? It's shit like this that puts some women on guard against men, much to the dismay of the same men saying this who then claim how much it sucks that women treat all men as rapists (not saying he is a rapist, I don't think he is, but this logic implies a necessity for women to presume all men are capable of harming them by being in the sheer presence of men). I think this does… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 04:04 PM |
| 7 | What is the best thing about the other pill?The best part about TRP is that it encourages members to actually have confidence and to just go for it. It may not always do this in the best way (belittling others to boost yourself isn't a solid foundation of self-esteem), and it may not always teach you how to best handle negative results like rejection (it seems to feed the bitterness), but for people who are desperate for sex or a partner, that is easily the main issue and I have seen TRP help with that by stressing the importance of not s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 03:50 PM |
| 3 | Marital rapeThis is the world we live in folks. Hedonism governs all, even marriage. I would say forcing your partner to have sex on a particular night where they're really uncomfortable or not in the mood is the most glaring example of hedonism - that one person values their 5-10 minutes of pure pleasure so much more over the comfort and well-being of their spouse and acts in accordance with whatever gets them off rather than what is best for both. No one here is arguing that a wife shouldn't give her husb… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 03:34 PM |
| 1 | Discussion on California passing "yes means yes" lawNope. How is anyone going to know whether she said "yes" unless the event is recorded or witnessed by someone else? I think the point of the yes means yes law is that sexual interaction would not occur unless she said yes, which means there would be a lot less rapes (or people feeling like they were raped) which means there would be less court trials for rape claims in the first place. If someone is uncomfortable, they won't say yes. It's attempting to protect certain individuals (those too timi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 06:06 AM |
| 1 | Does money matter? And how much money? How much MONEY do you make?I usually require my partners to be self-sustaining. They do not have to be rich, but they should be able to live on their own and pay their expenses. I would make exceptions in particular circumstances that are outside of a person's control (got laid off, is in school, got injured, etc). Part of that is because financial security is important for the longevity and ability to have a stable long term relationship (especially if you would like it to possibility involve into marriage and kids). The… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 05:54 AM |
| 1 | Marital rapeAt no point did he say a woman cannot relinquish consent. Rape means having sex with someone without their consent, and your spouse has already consented to sex by marrying you. If you presume that all sex has been consented to in advance by becoming married and that therefore marital rape does not exist because any sex that occurs in a marriage is consensual, then you are taking away the ability of a partner to decline sex. Well, not necessarily I guess. A person can decline sex. But you are no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/14 05:42 AM |
| 6 | Marital rapeThat's not what a strawman is. At best, you could say it's an incomparable example. But it is comparable, and here is why. The user wasn't saying that consenting to sex is consenting to children. They are illustrating another problem with throwing bodily autonomy out of a marriage. The OP's point here was that marital rape shouldn't exist because marriage has typically and historically involved sex (in some times, it was the means to get sex). As such, he believes that partners (particularly the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 05:36 PM |
| 8 | Marital rapeOk fine, then she shouldn't get to revoke my right to seek satisfaction eslewhere. She cannot legally chain you up and prevent you from leaving the house and finding someone else to have sex with, so I think we got that covered. She can however choose to dump you for cheating. Same logic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 07:30 AM |
| 6 | Marital rapeOr you should both put in effort to sexually satisfy and provide for each other, with the knowledge that if you fail to do so, you leave your relationship vulnerable to failure and your partner might leave you. I think you and I largely agree on how relationships SHOULD run. I think we just disagree whether bodily autonomy should be legally thrown out in a marriage. I think it's inhumane to do that. When you enter a marriage, your partner might turn out to be a shitty spouse. Your partner could … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 07:28 AM |
| 1 | BPers, if you were the admins of Reddit, what would you do with /r/TheRedPill?You do all three. Forcing your ideology, brigading and shaming OPs Me? Where? Meanwhile RP does not do the first two at all(by having the strictest implementation of traffic control and banning its own advertisement). They do. I actually found out about TRP because I used to browse r/relationships frequently, and consistently the same people calling male OP's losers and female OP's bitches/etc would bring up something called TRP. So I finally looked it up. The same users would also post upwards … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 07:03 AM |
| 8 | BPers, if you were the admins of Reddit, what would you do with /r/TheRedPill?Hatred is never irrational. This is fundamentally incorrect, or you have a very, very liberal definition of what the word rational means. I think maybe a better way of putting it, there is some hate that is reasonably justified and some that is not. Hating a varied group of people most of which haven't even met you let alone done anything to you generally qualifies as unreasonable for most people. That type of hate is considered irrational because it is not dependent on a particular rational thi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 05:12 AM |
| 5 | BPers, if you were the admins of Reddit, what would you do with /r/TheRedPill?There was a thread a while back that made it to the front page stating that women wanted to be literally raped (yes, the word literally was explicitly stated), with the logic that if you were to go up to a random women and start sexing her, the only thing that would differentiate whether or not you get accused of rape would be whether or not you were an alpha man. It has since gotten deleted after SRD got wind of it (probably to minimize brigading). While I don't advocate censorship, I do have t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 05:04 AM |
| 5 | Marital rapeHe gets to work on it, and he gets to end the relationship, give her half his assets, and what is she obligated to do? Really dude, what is she obligated to do? Nothing, right? You can't even accuse her of being a bad wife, can you? Perhaps I wasn't clear enough, but in several threads now, I've expressed that it is the person with the problem's job to communicate the problem, it's both of their responsibility to locate the root cause (and whatever changes need to be made by whomever, to be made… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 02:45 AM |
| 8 | Marital rapeExcept there can be an issue- especially as TRP professes with listening to what a woman says. Just because you enter a LTR with a woman doesn't mean her hamstering ceases. What do you mean by it can be an issue? TRP professes a lot of things; the validity is in question. Hamstering, aka rationalization, is a feature of both genders. For every woman that is rationalizing about why she lost attraction in her partner is a man rationalizing about what he has done to help the situation. Again, this … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 02:38 AM |
| 6 | Marital rapeand I find it utterly disturbing that the zeitgeist of the moment is that if a wife loses all sexual attraction to her husband, then tough for him. I don't think this is even remotely the stance that the average person takes. And it certainly is not the stance of most BP-ers, no matter the claims otherwise. Certainly, no BP-er on this thread has remarked anything remotely close to "tough for him," but rather, he simply does not get the ability to rob the right from his partner to decline sexual … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 02:30 AM |
| 1 | TRP: Women are inferior or different?It is not an argument at all If it is not an argument then why are you expecting BP-ers to respond to it as if it were? Remember, earlier you were sayin that BP-ers were not responding with the proper standards of debate. You took offense that people were simply stating that it's misogyny and not writing a formal rebuttal. I have no problem with not considering that thread an argument, but, if there is no debate, why do you expect BP-ers to respond as if there was? If all what is happening here … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 02:21 AM |
| 3 | BPers, if you were the admins of Reddit, what would you do with /r/TheRedPill?I would do nothing, except maybe be a little harsher about the bridgading/harassing that RP-ers do of other users/subreddits in the name of TRP ideology (ie trying to force TRP ideology on other subreddits, like how they used to harass and shame OP's in relationship advice subreddits. Many subreddits have already banned mentioning TRP for this reason.) But ultimately, I see nothing wrong with allowing people to witnesses TRP for what it is themselves. TRP is its own biggest promoter, but it is a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 02:14 AM |
| 7 | Marital rape. I'm talking about the situation as described where a woman causes a dead bedroom when the man is ready to provide and how the responsibility of fixing it is placed on the man. Except that wasn't the situation that was described. You are paraphrasing a lot. At the end of the day, treating this as, "It's your problem, get over it," is probably the poorest way to handle a dead bedroom. It may satisfy some of your more vindictive feelings about the situation, but it isn't productive. One of the bi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 01:59 AM |
| 9 | Marital rapeIn many instances these things happen so gradually that the person does not realize it is happening. Likewise, introspection is the ability to ascertain how you feel. It does not imply having mindreading powers to determine whether something is a problem for someone else who has not communicated that it is a problem for them. A person needs to know there is an issue in order to start the introspection process for what might be causing the issue. Typically this whole process works a lot more easi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 01:29 AM |
| 7 | Marital rapeThis used to be a part of marriage but no longer is Of course it still is. Sexual satisfaction is still a huge component of LTR and marriages, and is the reasons for many of both ending for both genders. With The amount women bitch about towels not getting picked up or whatever you'd think they'd see it as a fair trade for a quick blowjob. I don't like this. It implies that sex is something that women give to men. It downplays the importance of sexual satisfaction for women. Many women have ende… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/14 01:25 AM |
| 11 | Marital rapeWell, what if sex sometimes is a chore? So what? It's still necessary for the well being of the man (or occasionally woman, whoever has the higher sex drive). If your sexual needs are consistanty not being met, you have a relationship issue that needs resolving and that is NOT going to be resolved by forcing your partner to interact sexually with you. If your sexual needs are usually met, you do more damage to the relationship by forcing a sexual interaction when your partner just once happens t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/14 11:49 PM |
| 7 | Marital rapeKeep in mind family court is a civil court, so they only need to prove it more likely happened than didn't. ... Actually, out of all rape accusations, marital rape is one of the most difficult to prove, largely because of the understanding that marriage entails sex. Usually, the only way you can prove it is by showing a consistent pattern of abuse and assault by the partner that is being accused, and not every martial sexual assault features this pattern. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/14 11:36 PM |
| 2 | Marital rapeDoes he have reasonable expectation to sex? Depends on the sexual activity that was agreed upon in the relationship. The agreement does not have to be explicit. For example, if the relationship since the very beginning has only featured sex once a month or so, then I do think it is not reasonable for him to have expected this to magically change without any communication from his end. If however, sex has slowed down over the course of the relationship then yes, I would say he has a reasonable ex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/14 11:33 PM |
| 9 | Marital rapeThis is what gets me angry, not the fact that rapists are being stopped. There's a line between enforcement and personal freedom and we've clearly passed that line ages ago. If a husband does something and his wife is fine with it, I don't think the government then busts down the door and proceeds to accuse the husband of being a rapist. Therefore I'm not sure what infringement of freedom you are referring to. The laws exist to protect people who are not fine with actions committed against their… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/14 08:21 PM |
| 13 | Marital rapeA lot of time there's a grey area plenty of relationship go down that makes us question whether what we saw was this or that. And usually issues that arise in the gray area are not resolved in the court of law, but rather in communication between the partners. If my boyfriend does something I am not comfortable with, I don't immediately proceed to sue him for raping me. I just simply tell him that I was uncomfortable and to refrain from doing it in the future. I don't think this pattern is rare;… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/14 08:10 PM |
| 1 | TRP: Women are inferior or different?This presumes that Legion made an argument to begin with. His simply stated, "TRP doesn't care." I countered by stating that RPers have shown to care, including himself, in the past, therefore the retort, "TRP doesn't care," doesn't seem to be honest, which would not make this the fallacy you are referring to. Additionally, the whole discussion centers on the topic of TRP's misrepresentation of itself. I did not say "TRP is wrong, BECAUSE they misrepresent themselves," which would fit the criter… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/14 07:49 PM |
| 4 | Marital rapeHere's my own question for Blue: If I were to go behind my (hypothetical) wife, and grab her in a sexual manner, would I have assaulted her? If she decided this were assault (all of a sudden with no prior mention of dislike What if I groped a stranger, once before being told to back the fuck off? No. I think in LTR and marriages, there is implied consent until it's revoked. That would not be assault. But if your wife were to keep saying, "please stop doing that, please stop touching me like that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/14 07:36 PM |
| 22 | Marital rapeYOU may believe that marriage is ongoing consent to sex, however, the law does not and while most people expect sexual activity to be on the table in a marriage, I do not believe that most people take that to the extreme that sex can never be denied in a marriage. My stance is that there is presumed consent in a marriage (ie, you do not have to get explicit verbal consent to have sex as RP-ers seem to retort), but if either spouse does say NO one night, and the other continues, that is rape. The… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/14 07:31 PM |
| 2 | TRP: Women are inferior or different?The silliness of this post lies with assuming this is an argument at all. Ok? Just a general piece of advice, starting off a post with an insult isn't generally the way you want to go if you want your points taken seriously. If you genuinely think this is silly, then you could have chosen not to reply. You want me to consider what you're saying, so I would refrain from doing that. I dunno, the illusory and transitory nature of the world, would you argue that? You're taking the example a little t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/14 05:24 PM |
| 2 | TRP: Women are inferior or different?Sorr on phone. I wasn't trying to load that question. Let me try again. Many RPers have said that one of the benefits of TRP is that it offers straightforward advice, as opposed to society's standard advice which is misleading and ambiguous. Isn't it concerning to then offer figurative advice to those looking for the literalness they were promised? But to your second point, I still don't understand the necessity of the toxicity and hate to depedestalize women. I get how some men form unrealistic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/14 12:00 AM |
| 3 | TRP: Women are inferior or different?I don't mind you disagreeing, I was just pointing out that it was not shifting goal posts. Examples for this are difficult to cite in the spot because the threads are since buried. And even if I could find them, unless they're cross linked somewhere else, I have no way of proving to you that the users were not being antagonistic because the comments are deleted. If you really want/need me to, I'll find them later when I'm not on my phone. For the time being, let's use the RedPillSchool incident … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 11:34 PM |
| 2 | TRP: Women are inferior or different?Thanks for the response. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 05:28 PM |
| 4 | TRP: Women are inferior or different?That's not what shifting goal posts is. This is what I said: That's because your moderators instantly ban anyone who expresses disagreement with the fundamental ideology of TRP. Sure, you can disagree about how exactly women are inferior, or to what extent they're inferior, but you dare disagree that they're inferior? You call that concern trolling and ban/delete comments. I stated an action (disagreement with the fundamental ideology of TRP.) and stated that TRP calls that concern trolling. The… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 05:27 PM |
| 5 | TRP: Women are inferior or different?You're not interested in an exchange, or a productive rational discussion. What is your evidence for this? Your objective is to pin the misogyny on the donkey. Why is that inherently not a productive nor a rational discussion? If TRP claims it is not miosgynistic, but it displays misogynistic tendencies, why is me arguing the ways in which it is misogynistic inherently irrational? Because you don't like it? That's not enough to deem something irrational. Likewise, misogyny by definition involves… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 05:22 PM |
| 2 | Is equality between the sexes falsifiable?Ok, third try. How is saying "You cannot reject people automatically by gender or race" not equality under the law? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 04:15 PM |
| 5 | Women of PPD, do you experience men/male behavior as irrational?"Men are pigs" implies all men, or at the very least, most. Because it is saying men are pigs. Not some men. Not certain individuals. But by merely being a man, you are a pig. Because men are pigs. It implies that when you find a man who is not a pig, he is some kind of rare exception. I find that offensive, and I don't think it's socially acceptable. Just because you are inclined to get positive feedback by making that statement from some individuals (in the same way saying women are bitches ge… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 04:13 PM |
| 2 | Is equality between the sexes falsifiable?But that's what I'm trying to understand. How is, "you cannot reject people automatically by gender/race/age/etc" NOT advocating equal treatment? I get your gripes about affirmative action, but I am not sure you understand what anti-discrimination laws are. And given that there ARE people who choose to hire people based on their skin or gender and not on their ability or skill, how would you address that problem? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 03:39 PM |
| 6 | TRP: Women are inferior or different?Doesn't it concern you just a little that RP-ers, as a whole, seem to take this super literally? For example, there was a thread a while back discussing standard dating advice that you would get from your parents or teachers, and many took the advice, "Be yourself," to mean, literally, be yourself, because that is how they interpret dating advice and statements. So doesn't that concern you? And also, while I can understand not wanting to pedestal someone, how do you differentiate pedestalizing a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 03:35 PM |
| 2 | TRP: Women are inferior or different?Genuinely curious, but what draws you to TRP then? And what makes you not want to go to other male-friendly places like, AskMen for example? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 03:30 PM |
| 5 | Women of PPD, do you experience men/male behavior as irrational?I actually am a little offended whenever I hear statements such as "men are all pigs" and it instantly puts me on guard about whatever "advice" I am about to get from that person because I cannot see it coming from any other source but some unresolved issues and anger. I think valid advice would be, "Some men are pigs, this is what pigs do, be on the lookout." Just like I would consider, "Some women are bitches. This is what bitches do, be on the lookout," as a valid advice. But neither what you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 03:09 PM |
| 3 | Is equality between the sexes falsifiable?Affirmative action attempts to offset the existing bias against women. And I don't know what problem you have with anti-discrimination laws, however. All they say is you cannot continue to reject people solely based on their gender/race/etc. How is that not equality? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 02:56 PM |
| 12 | TRP: Women are inferior or different?Basically, perly, I'm very glad you think I'm some great propaganda. Because here I thought I was answering questions in a debate sub as put forth by OPs. I never said you didn't debate. But I am saying you are one of the problems with this sub - a RP-er who is too disingenuous about TRP strategy, ideology, and community, to actually have constructive debates with. Because you play dumb about this kind of shit in other debates, pretend it doesn't exist or it's a mischaracterization of your sub, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 02:49 PM |
| 12 | TRP: Women are inferior or different?TRP does not exist to justify itself. Out of all people to say that, Legion, it is incredibly ironic that you would since many times on this thread, you have done just that. Justify TRP. Attempt to make it out to note be hateful or misogynistic. Defend it from criticism, usually by saying that people (mainly BP-ers) misrepresent TRP community, or take things out of context. Usually, you at least attempt to make counterarguments so I am disappointed that out of all people, you are sitting there a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 07:29 AM |
| 15 | TRP: Women are inferior or different?"You're just cherry picking!" "It's just the anger phase!" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/14 07:22 AM |
| 4 | Do you think Ray Rice should be punished for hitting his wife?The point is you are trying to draw a parallel between an assault and a victim coming to terms with it and something that wasn't assault to begin with. From a legal perspective, there is no parallel. The law does not consider BDSM activity as assault. It never has. From a common sense perspective, there is no parallel. A BDSM partner has full control over when physical violence occurs, the severity of it, when it ends, and the form it takes. Ray Rice's wife was anything but in control that night… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/14 05:49 PM |
| 3 | Do you think Ray Rice should be punished for hitting his wife?By this logic, we should be punishing people who beat others in bdsm relationships, even if it's voluntary, because "the victim's wishes don't matter" That's a slippery slope argument, and a really flawed one. Obviously this would not apply to bdsm relationships because any violence committed therein is consensual and for the purpose of pleasure. I don't see anything wrong with that. How about rich criminal commits the same crime 10 more times, including to 7 individuals for whom no amount of mo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/14 04:52 PM |
| 7 | Do you think Ray Rice should be punished for hitting his wife?Personally, I think the only person who has the right to determine whether Ray Rice is a good boyfriend is his girlfriend. This isn't about whether or not he's a good boyfriend, it's whether or not a team wants to be associated with someone who assaults people. Imo, I do think workplaces and companies have a right to choose to not associate with people who commit crimes. And I personally respect companies who choose not to. Similarly, I think crimes should prosecuted only if the victim wants it,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/14 04:48 PM |
| 1 | Why so much hate for the so-called "anger phase"?Straw man through and through. Not even remotely. I am speaking about things that are commonly said and expressed by mods, EC's and in the top threads. It's even present in the right hand reading material. These things comprise the core of TRP ideology. Even your own wording is not any better. Hypergamous? Love differently? These are not truths about women, these are the descriptions of a particular type of person, male or female. I just don't get how you (or others) can sit there and honestly s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/14 06:16 AM |
| 8 | Why so much hate for the so-called "anger phase"?Generally speaking when there is an anonymous voting system, the thing that is most upvoted represents the majority opinion. It would be different if the voting was non anonymous. And if that's not a good representation of what TRP community generally supports, then what is? Where are all of these supposedly non angry threads? That's what's getting tired about this subreddit. The fact that so many RP-ers here are moderate and seemingly unaware of just how extreme the rest of TRP is. The fact tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/14 06:05 AM |
| 6 | Why so much hate for the so-called "anger phase"?I'm sure your idea of this is very different from mine. So you believe that women are incapable of loyalty, morality, love, and rational thought? That honor is a male abstract? That as soon as you connect emotionally to a woman she will lose interest in you? Because the fields of psychology, neurology and sociology would vastly disagree. So yeah, wrong conclusions. You're so exceptional then because you know damn well that view is not reflected in the mainstream. Not really. I'm pretty sure most… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/14 05:07 AM |
| 5 | Why so much hate for the so-called "anger phase"?"Don't kill yourself incel/divorced middle aged man there's still hope." But that's not really accurate, is it? Because if this was what RP was, then it would be no different from normal society. I mean unless you think society just tells men down on their luck to kill themselves because there's no hope. It's more like "Don't kill yourself incel/divoced middle aged man, all women are really absolutely awful unlike logical men, we'll give you tools to manipulate these bitches." I'm saying, why ca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/14 05:01 AM |
| 5 | Why so much hate for the so-called "anger phase"?Bad analogy. A cuckolded or divorce raped man saying "all women are sluts" is not equal to attempted murder. It was not an analogy, it was an illustration of how there are reasonable ways to react to things and unreasonable ways. No, saying all women are sluts is not equal to attempted murder, but it is still not a reasonable reaction even in the event that you have been divorce raped. You know why? Because your divorce raping ex wife does not represent all women. As long as they are looking to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/14 04:42 AM |
| 7 | Why so much hate for the so-called "anger phase"?How did you know they were RPers? Because they self-identified as such. For the record I'm referring to certain prolific posters on here and TRP. These are people who spend a considerable portion of their time discussing TRP ideology, adopting and advocating TRP strategy, and who call themselves RP-ers. It's not so much about validation/confirmation for your feelings. It's knowing that it's not just you, there are other people who have experienced the same things That's exactly what validation i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/14 04:35 AM |
| 9 | Why so much hate for the so-called "anger phase"?I'd say that's pretty presumptuous and judgmental of you How? I am not saying bad things did not happen to these men. I am saying that's not a reasonable reaction to bad things happening. Today someone cut me off. It was upsetting, but I did not proceed to ram into their car. There are reasonable reactions to things and there are unreasonable ones. There is being upset and then there is just irrational hate. There is little that justifies believing all women are awful subhuman creatures. And for… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/14 04:26 AM |
| 11 | Why so much hate for the so-called "anger phase"?Beyond this initial angry post this future RPer is more than likely going to spend the bulk of their time on TRP reading on how to improve themselves in a multitude of ways. I don't see the RP-ers I saw 6 months ago getting any less angry. You shouldn't need validation/confirmation that "all women are evil" to get the motivation to better yourself. If you do, that's a personality flaw. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/14 04:07 AM |
| 10 | Why so much hate for the so-called "anger phase"?I'm saying most of it is, especially the kind that resembles, "all women are ___." That kind of anger is rarely, if ever, justified. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/14 04:06 AM |
| 11 | Why so much hate for the so-called "anger phase"?The anger men express on TRP is anger that cannot be expressed anywhere else where it is socially acceptable This entertains the premise that all anger/all emotions are justified, no matter the consequences. People do not live independently in bubbles. Their behaviors and attitudes have an impact on the world around them. When people say shit like, "all women lack loyalty," that is damaging. It's damaging to society and it's damaging to the individual that chooses to believe that because it is a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/14 03:26 AM |
| 9 | Why so much hate for the so-called "anger phase"?The "anger phase" gets a lot of hate from BPers, Purple Pill, and even some Red Pillers. From most of what I've seen, it's not a phase. And even if it is a phase, I have two problems with it. One, it's anger at something that doesn't exist. I do not believe TRP's premises about the so called reality of women are remotely accurate, even as generalizations. So it's people being dumb enough to get riled up about a particular subset of shitty women who are shitty because they're shitty, not because … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/14 03:22 AM |
| 7 | If you don't have a solution, you're not debating. I have a proposal for a more productive flow of discourse.Please elaborate. I want to be sure I understand exactly what you're trying to say. When BP-ers offer alternative suggestions, they are often times dismissed by RP-ers not through actual debate, but merely on the grounds that it is false or doesn't exist or isn't true. In fact, I have even seen RP-ers actually state BP-ers are straight up lying, and probably don't do what they are saying to do. Are you not concerned at all with trying to heal the person who believes the delusion? Shouldn't you b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/14 04:23 PM |
| 2 | Challenge for blue pillers: advise this young man without sounding like TRP.And the next time he wants to get some actual sex from a similar woman who only puts out if you're sufficiently an asshole about it...? Or he can find a woman who doesn't have issues where she needs men to be assholes to feel like sleeping with them... Who better than we can teach him how to master the woman who only puts out for "abusive" men How about teaching him how to find women who are in a place where they are capable of having healthy stable relationships? One common theme I found with w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/14 04:12 PM |
| 3 | Explain to me why you are opposed to this quote of mine that is on your front pageHow come when a man is emotionally abused its his job to 'man up' and leave the relationship, but when it's a woman being abused, she isn't told to leave the relationship? I like how you add the "man up" part in here, even though the comment you are referring to did not say that. It seems to me you are projecting a little. I don't think you happened on any gendered issue. I think you happened on the style of advice giving we see on Reddit, with people being both ignorant of how abuse handicaps i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/14 04:08 PM |
| 5 | If you don't have a solution, you're not debating. I have a proposal for a more productive flow of discourse.With no alternative view to offer up Even when BP-ers point out there is no organized counterside, it does not mean they do not offer any alternatives. In fact, many times they do (for example, communicating with your partner, evaluating partners on non-superficial traits, etc), but this is immediately dismissed by RP-ers because "lol that never works." Secondly, there is a form of debating where you disagree with something that is wrong. While offering alternatives is good, it is not necessary … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/14 04:02 PM |
| 1 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']Higher-order thinking itself is subject to the exact same evolutionary mechanics as lower-order instincts. That depends on what you mean. Will higher-order attempt to ensure survival and fitness in an individual? Yes. Will it do so by evolutionary drives? No. It may, but it may override them in instances where higher order thinking has more information about the situation available that the midbrain's impulses would not process. the incentives for NOT increasing investment in a child that isn't … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/14 07:11 PM |
| 1 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']Certain traits are universal, such as symmetry, youth and lack of disease signs, and the presence of secondary sex characteristics. This doesn't represent all physical characteristics... http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/the-toilet-of-venus-peter-paul-rubens.jpg That was conventional beauty then. It is not representative of what is considered conventionally attractive today, although both beauties meat the basic standard of attraction that is universal. Here are some other way… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/14 06:58 PM |
| 1 | Red Pillers, what are some concepts from TRP that you reject?Then I think TRP is wrong on those counts, because I think they do not represent actual female nature, but perhaps certain individuals who settle and then wait for the right person to come along because they are perhaps too lazy or too selfish to simply unable to find a compatible partner. I've known people of both genders that have done this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/14 06:44 PM |
| 1 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']What? Women are not "fitter, slimmer" than women of 500 years ago. I didn't say they were? I am discussing conventional female beauty. Are you are going to make an argument that a size 2-6, toned, slim woman is not the pinnacle of beauty today? But he loses quite a bit if he's providing support for her AND if he's monogamous to her. Again, not something I denied. But this goes beyond the scope of evolutionary drives and inherent biological repulsion. This goes into the realm of cognition and psy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 05:20 PM |
| 2 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']The theory that "a preference for chaste women is a manifestation of insecurity" is itself a manifestation of insecurity Like I said, there was a study showing that men who reported higher on measures of insecurity and anxiety tend to hold more hostility towards female sexuality. You could say that people who are reacting negatively to being told they are useless and used up because they had normal sex are just being insecure, but it may really just be that insecurity feeds that attitude. Additi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 05:09 PM |
| 2 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']There's this bizarre tendency amongst many science-deniers Whoa, stop right there. First off, I majored in biopsychology; many of my classes covered evolutionary psychology, so I am anything but a denier of science or that science has an impact on behavior. That being said, there is a big difference between evo psych science and evo psych ideology. The latter tends to make absolute claims with unfounded evidence, merely because it sounds good. Think of the difference between the field of nutriti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 05:00 PM |
| 1 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']I don't think women should complain of the existence of these players or the fact that they have willingly removed themselves from the long term relationship market. I don't think they complain about them removing themselves from the dating pool, because I can't see too many of those women willing to settle down for such men even if it means remaining single, but rather the rationalization and justification of their attitude displaces the blame for their hate from them onto women. Here's the thi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 04:43 PM |
| 1 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']They have no need whatsoever for a long-term relationship - they can get the sex they want with the people they want it with. They have no need to bother with women past their physical prime either, because there's enough young hotties that are willing to let them clap dem cheeks I'm not referring to these men then, I'm referring to the many men on TRP that state that the fact that women aren't settling down in their early 20's is the worst thing ever. I don't think it's fair to deny that theme … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 04:37 PM |
| 1 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']though I don't know how they'd account for people who were faking it for their spouses. I guess the question is how accurately can a person fake it and for how long? At some point, decisions would have to be made that would bring up the clash of cultures. For example, what if the wife wanted to give her kids a homeschooled Christian education? A very traditional husband may be in agreement with that, but a more secular husband may take great issue, and that would bring the ideological difference… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 04:25 PM |
| 1 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']The question is: why are there so many horrible marriages at all? Because marriage involves a meshing of lives and not all individuals can coexist together for decades. People aren't always the greatest decision makers and many people don't know how to choose the right partner. Not to mention there some men and women simply make shitty partners no matter who is choosing. Some people don't have the skillset that makes a marriage succeed. "There have always been this many horrible marriages, it's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 04:21 PM |
| 2 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']Which incentives people to pick religious partners, even if they're not personally religious. Religious partners, especially those serious about it, are unwilling to marry nonreligious partners. But even more importantly, religion and world outlook (traditionalism) are one of those things a couple needs to be very similar on, otherwise the relationship/marriage has consistent problems. Remember that incompatibility is a top 5 reason for divorce. So the solution here is that if you want the benef… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 04:06 PM |
| 2 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']Why are you willing to bet that? Because the vast majority of RP-ers do not consider the risk of their own sexual activity and promiscuity on their future marriages, but get hot and bothered about their partner's count, which indicates that the concern here is not so much the risk of divorce (otherwise, they would be taking other steps to ensure to decrease it, such as not encouraging marriage at 18-23 years old), but rather some kind of insecurity with female sexuality. If you are one of the fe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 03:52 PM |
| 3 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']The process by which that blogger reaches their conclusion is by doing this: In order to determine the confounding effect income has on the cohort divorce rate we must sum the weighted risks of each economic group from the cohort and see how it varies from the average. ...in order to eliminate confounding variables, which is a very poor method of determining what they are trying to determine. Why don't we look at something less garbled by personal interpretation of statistics? Here we see age at… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 03:26 PM |
| 1 | Would you be disgusted or not if your long time girlfriend revealed that she has sucked thirty six dicks?From my observations, I find that people want both. For example, men want women to be sluts and chaste; sluts for them, chaste otherwise (lady on the streets, freak in the sheets). The flips side of that is women want a confident strong man who is able to emotionally connect and commit with them (a combination of the stereotypical alpha/beta traits). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 06:21 AM |
| 1 | Red Pillers, what are some concepts from TRP that you reject?I'm not the person you asked this question to, but if I may answer, to me personally, I do think time investment translates into higher value, as long as the time investment is worthwhile (the relationships is healthy, stable and makes a positive impact on your life). I liked my boyfriend when I started dating him, but now 4 years later I value his presence in my life a lot more than when we were dating, because his absence would create a bigger impact on my life. Generally speaking, LTR involve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 06:09 AM |
| 1 | Tall, Dark and Handsome? How about Petite, Blonde and Hot?You are not wrong. For example, I said I prefer taller guys, but I would be attracted to a guy who was confident, carried himself well and with whom I had positive interaction, even if he is shorter than me. Out of all of the ways to be unattractive, honestly, being short or pale are not nearly the handicaps that some people believe they are. I think it's predominantly a confidence issue in these people, in the same way some women get caught up on not having large breasts. You just avoid people … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 05:01 AM |
| 3 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']Yeah, I can't reply to this without getting myself banned off this sub, so here it is again: Show me mainstream feminist policies that shame or oppress or disadvantage SAHM. Because what you're describing is the opinions of a small group of people much like how little TRP represents the average man's, or even MRA's opinion. Crazies will be crazy. But if you're going to evoke general feminism in your statements, then I want to see something representative of general feminism. If you won't do this… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 04:15 AM |
| 2 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']WHOA YOU SURE GOT ME WITH THAT SINGLE INCIDENT. Especially after I asked you (2, 3 times now?) to show me themes and policies of mainstream feminism that shame or oppress SAHM. Because all you're doing now is clinging to individual opinions to make an argument. It's especially amusing since, like I said in the other post, feminists actually fight for policies that allow women to be SAHM, such by ensuring that they have rights to alimony and child support in the event of a desperation, so in a se… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 04:07 AM |
| 3 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']Again: Remember how Mitt Romney's wife was treated. Remember how Hillary Clinton was told she was to blame for her husband's affair because she chose to have a career instead of staying home? So what's your point? Again, you seem unable to discern between people's individual opinions (which I've already conceded that some people don't like SAHM), and the policies and themes present in mainsteam feminism. So (sigh), again, I ask you to either provide evidence of mainstream feminist policies that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 04:03 AM |
| 2 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']Look, I can make links too! http://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/2atgpn/how_do_feminists_feel_about_stay_at_home_moms_and/ http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/4-stupid-delusions-people-have-feminism/ "It is obviously true that the feminist movement was instrumental in helping married women have the freedom to work outside the home. (White, middle-/upper-class women, that is. Everyone else was already working out of necessity.) But giving people the freedom to make a given choice is not the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 03:57 AM |
| 3 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']Ah, the revenge fantasy. Women didn't sex you, were sexing everybody else, and they will totes pay for it! Except, they don't. Except most unmarried 30 and 40 year old women are fine, have dating options, have sex, and are smaller in number than 30 or 40 year old men. Most 30 to 40 year old unmarried women are so by choice, not by their sexual count. If your image of the 30 and 40 year old lonely spinster regretting all the sex she has helps you sleep better at night, then go for it. But don't c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 03:41 AM |
| 5 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']I always love it when RP-ers prop up their straw feminists and then bring up isolated incidences to somehow prove their beliefs. So here it is: I am absolutely sure some women out there have disdain for SAHM. I am sure that some SAHM frown upon women who choose to pursue a career (Women Against Feminism, anyone?). But as far as mainstream feminism goes, SAHM is not shamed. Mainstream feminism fights traditional gender roles so that women and men can have options. Unless you can give me solid evi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 03:35 AM |
| 3 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']I would actually argue that younger women simply don't have the tools to read red flag behavior as much as an older woman, and go for the bad boys mainly because they tend to be more blunt/direct with their interests. A confident/outgoing nice guy will have no hard time finding women to date. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 03:22 AM |
| 2 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']THE HORROR. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 03:20 AM |
| 4 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']A woman's number of premarital partners is one of the most statistically significant predictors of her later divorce. Lol, no it's not. Age at marriage (younger being worse), lack of education, and incompatibility with her partner, and a short dating time before marriage are the biggest predictors of divorce. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 03:20 AM |
| 3 | Feminist describes why she goes for bad boys [trigger warning for 'nice guys']Stop pretending it's a rule of thumb. Feminists don't say being a stay at home mom is shameful, they say a woman should have the option and opportunity to be more than that if she wants. If she enjoys being a stay-at-home mom, there is nothing wrong with that, but she shouldn't be limited to only that option in life. There's nothing wrong with women exploring their sexuality. I have found literally no good argument against it, besides the ramblings of insecure people who are threatened by female… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/14 03:16 AM |
| 2 | Tall, Dark and Handsome? How about Petite, Blonde and Hot?"prefer" is by no means comparable to the the roadblock that women create in regards to height or, to a lesser degree, paleness. Most guys love big breasts, but they won't turn a girl down or write her off outright How convenient. Because my reality is that while most girls prefer a tall guy, they wouldn't kick a short guy out. There are some that absolutely will NOT date a guy shorter than her, but there are some guys that would not date smaller than a B cup, so I can't help but feel your state… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/14 04:31 PM |
| 2 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?How are people jumping down his throat? The people who saw his original analogy said it was a bad analogy. How the fuck were they supposed to know he was in the process of editing it? Then one person asked if the analogy changed, and others replied that yes, it did. I'm really not seeing the hostility that you're seeing. If you really want to look at poor standards of debate, look no further than the behavior of RP on this thread. Personal insults, absolute statements, failure to respond after d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/14 04:06 PM |
| 0 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?I wasn't serious, I was indirectly challenging the above poster's statement that feminists advocate guilty until proven innocent. Edit: And if feminists that have as much presence in lawmaking as you believe they do, then obviously they are not advocating for guilty until proven innocent because that is not how rape claims are actually conducted in practice. You can't have it both ways - that feminists are evil, and that they run law when the laws don't reflect evil. Either they don't run law, o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/14 07:14 AM |
| 1 | Are men truly less emotional?You cannot be conditioned to be less emotional, emotions are borderline reflexive. But you can be conditioned to show less emotion. Women are free to feel whatever they like because society coddles women. They are the leisure class. I agree that it's more socially acceptable for a woman to show emotions but coddling and leisure class? That's a bold exaggeration and not representative of reality. There aren't even crisis centers for men. Yes there are. And many crisis centers are open for both me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/14 05:31 AM |
| 1 | Are there any bluepill MRAs? Redpill MRAs? How do TRP and BP subreddits regard MRAs?They don't understand where the gripes come from. I think this is the biggest problem I have with the MRA community. They completely misattribute where many of the issues stem from. For example, "Feminists don't care about men getting raped, they want to silence them and shame them," when in reality male rape victims are shamed by a machismo culture that calls them pussies and faggots for something that is not their fault. That and the attitude that men want sex all the time, men only care about… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/14 05:21 AM |
| 1 | Are there any bluepill MRAs? Redpill MRAs? How do TRP and BP subreddits regard MRAs?I support men's rights, but not the MRA community. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/14 05:17 AM |
| 2 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?So what you're saying is, a woman should be wary of being around men because they might take advantage of her if she's compromised. So then why do many RP-ers get upset when women are wary around men, and proclaim that it's a problem that women treat men as rapists and have their guard up against them? Because it seems like a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Either a woman has to treat all men as potential rapists and be weary around them, or she should be comfortable around men … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/14 05:13 AM |
| 1 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?I don't know, I didn't see it. I'm just saying a comment can be edited without a * appearing. You could ask the other poster s. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/14 04:34 AM |
| 1 | What are the Best Red Pill Strategies that don't negatively effect the other personThat's because in most RP discussions, dread game is described as something a lot more abusive. What the guy is describing above is not something I would even consider as dread game. I think every relationship operates on an understanding that if needs and respect aren't met in a relationship, the other partner could find someone else. Dread game to me is actively instilling anxiety in your partner to manipulate them into doing things they normally would not do in other to appease you. It's usin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/14 04:23 AM |
| 1 | What are women qualified to give advice on?None of this is an honest representation of what TRP is, what it stands for, and what it encourages. And none of your insistence that there are no alternative options available will make it so. TRP is simply the most appealing option for a particular set of individuals not willing to accept responsibility. Those who criticize TRP do offer constructive advice, but it's dismissed as useless by those unwilling to do honest introspection. I'm glad that TRP helped you but I don't see how the issues y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/14 03:08 AM |
| 6 | Does TRP claim victim status?Yes, but, disingenuously. They discuss topics in many ways that paint them as victims of the cruel world, women, society, parents, and feminists while simotaneously having disdain whenever anyone else claims victim status, because they are allegedly strong alphas that handle their biz. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/14 01:36 AM |
| 2 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?It's just self improvement! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/14 01:14 AM |
| 2 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?As could this. Men can make false rape claims. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 11:56 PM |
| 2 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?I like when RPers stop bullshitting and being disingenuous and say what they really mean. Then you really see the lack of logic in their beliefs without all the pretending that there are valid points and reasons for their unique world view. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 11:55 PM |
| 2 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?Money helps but that's not what I'm talking about. What about cases that are not even heard in a court of law? The ones dismissed before trial? What about non legal contexts? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 11:40 PM |
| 2 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?False. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Regardless, this is not a good reason to treat all men as children. Same goes for women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 10:50 PM |
| 9 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?Are you serious? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 10:47 PM |
| 5 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?And stating my argument is emotional does not make it so, especially since you did not understand it in the first place. I would be more inclined to consider your points if you'd actually describe how my argument is emotional or incoherent. But I'm not interested in the reaching for straws of misogyny apologists. This whole thing screams of "lol women can't STEM logic lol" which I would consider if I was actually emotional and disagreeing with a well presented linear argument, but I wasn't, and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 09:58 PM |
| 1 | What are women qualified to give advice on?RES tags. The answer is flawed. First it typically diminishes the presence of irrational hate against women on TRP. Second, when people say TRP is hateful and neckbeard, it's with the motive of encouraging them to adopt healthier views about women which would end the self fulfilling prophecy of negative interactions with them. Basically, the entire answer plays dumb and is very disingenuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 08:48 PM |
| 2 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?And how exactly do feminists do that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 08:23 PM |
| 5 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?Anyone can organize any protest they want, and it's merit will be judged. Do you honestly believe women's rights protests don't receive backlash? They do. A lot. People fighting even for reasonable things like domestic violence and rape victims get backlash. Look at you. I bet the "obnoxious twats" you're referring to are fairly resonable, but you fight against them. Welcome to a world of multiple opinions. The only critique I offered here was that all these men who supposedly care so much about… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 08:11 PM |
| 5 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?That's a lazy person's argument. "Why should I bother applying for jobs, I won't get hired anyway." "Why should I bother cleaning the house, it will just get dirty." And how can we even tell what will happen when there have been so few actual protests for men's rights to begin with? And even if you're too lazy to protest, that's fine, but what is treating your girlfriend or wife like shit supposed to accomplish exactly? Because it feels more like a child throwing a tantrum. Too lazy to make a di… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 07:51 PM |
| 1 | What are women qualified to give advice on?My experience indicates otherwise, with users progressively getting angrier rather than happier over the course of months. And misogyny isn't a self improvement, it's a downgrade and a crutch to build an inflated sense of ego. TRY may not be homogeneous, but they're a lot more generalizable than an entire gender. If they can generalize women, why can't I generalize them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 07:41 PM |
| 6 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?Actually, my argument is not one of emotion but rather logic. And you don't seem to have understood it. I'm not challenging fighting for injustice, please indicate where I have done that. I'm challenging his displacement of anger. If I want to fight against police brutality, for example, I don't do so by treating all servicemen like shit. There are proper venues. If this man wants to fight bias in rape accusations, there are proper ways to do it that aren't disparaging his partners and all women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 07:35 PM |
| 18 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?A system that vastly underpersecutes rape claims. This is your point: because some women don't take responsibility for their actions, it's okay to treat all women like children regardless of how they individually behave. By your logic, because some men rape, it's okay to treat all men as rapists regardless of whether or not they raped. So why do we even bother with court trials? Why do we even allow men to be in the vicinity of women? The fundamental problem in your logic is an inability or an u… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 06:22 PM |
| 5 | What are women qualified to give advice on?And yet every time TRP and misogyny is used in the same sentance, there is always 1-2 RPers there to go "NUH UH IT'S JUST SELF-IMPROVEMENT." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 06:02 PM |
| 7 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?By what? Wanting the severe problem of underperscution and underreporting of rape to be addressed? The problem of false rape accusations, while a problem, still occurs in far less frequency than that of rapists not getting convictions. Most police forces treat rape claims differently than claims of other crime. They treat it with extra suspicion and skepticism, and often dismiss the claim based on unrelated information like how many sexual partners the victim had or what she was wearing. See my … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 05:47 PM |
| 7 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?I don't see how a false rape accusation is sexual strategy, what could a woman possibly gain reproductively from that? According to TRP false rape accusations happen because women are trying to protect their SMV by not appearing like sluts. It is after all evolution that shaped us. Evolution also created empathy, decency and a sense of morality that people who follow evo psych pseudoscience instead of evo psych science wrongfully dismiss as "society" and not biology. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 05:33 PM |
| 6 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?Here's some more: https://www.rainn.org/news-room/news/rape-kit-backlog 200,000 kits untested, meaning these cases have yet to actually be heard in front of a judge. Not to mention that many police offices are resistant and don't treat rape claims seriously unless there is physical evidence. Here are some more. http://www.mintpressnews.com/police-treated-british-rape-victims-like-stupid-naughty-girls/196050/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/25/college-sexual-assault-police_n_5213384.html ht… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 05:29 PM |
| 5 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?Because the majority case, men outearn women. Women are more often than not the partner expected to stay home. Remember, the qualifier in your statement said when women finally outearn men. When they outearn men, we will most likely see what we see now with the small number of women outearning men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 05:23 PM |
| 2 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?http://www.cbsnews.com/news/exclusive-rape-in-america-justice-denied/ http://web.archive.org/web/20070718110210/http://sa.rochester.edu/masa/stats.php (bear in mind these stats use very, very strict definitions of what constitutes rape) And some stories: http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/05/justice/texas-rape-sentence/ https://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/ssouth-west/168215-oyo-hospital-sabotaged-efforts-to-get-justice-for-rape-victim-says-ex-nans-president.html#sthash.KTcKQSsg.dpbs http://www.buzzf… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 05:16 PM |
| 8 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?I want to limit and shape my interactions with people who - by virtue of having a vagina- have the legal tools to destroy my life, and the absence of repercussions for doing so. Men have lethal tools to destroy your life too. And they're shown they're capable of it, since many men get away with doing shitty things and many men don't take responsibility for their actions. So how do you interact with men? By judging their character, personality and actions. But you won't do the same with women. Yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 05:06 PM |
| 3 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?He saw it, but thanks for the heads up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 04:23 PM |
| 2 | Are red pill men wrong in treating women like children?If you edit a post within the first 2-3 minutes, it doesn't get a *. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 04:16 PM |
| -1 | "You're not really nice, because you're doing it to get in her pants"You don't have to do anything, but part of the appeal of good people and good guys is that you don't have to enter a debate or argument every time they are expected to anything that counters their hedonistic whims. Thus perfectly illustrating the difference between the genuinely nice guy, which has admirable and appealing traits that make people want to be around him, and the fake nice guy, which still retains the characteristics of a non-nice guy, but thinks if he repeats a few phrases and acti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 03:38 PM |
| 0 | "You're not really nice, because you're doing it to get in her pants"You're living proof that RP-ers will upvote anything as long as it's anti-the rest of the world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/14 03:34 PM |
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