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uh just look at red pill you get a pretty good idea of what men are like in a men-only forum
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 07:58 PM
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disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 09:43 PM
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??? i think you're using "celebrity crush" in a weirdly strict definition. this is like, "women who i feel attracted to moreso than others of similar noteworthiness" who also happen to be on the news or doing something noteworthy i don't spend hours looking for every Zoe Saldana film. if you have looked at a celebrity and thought, "oh, okay," that is a "celebrity crush" under this question as far as i read it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 05:28 PM
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Zoe Saldana is another kind of beautiful Frances McKee from the Vaselines Joan Didion, who is really number one...without much competition Then, being young enough to make this not weird or creepy, Lindsey Jordan from Snail Mail I've also found that I found practically none of the women listed in here attractive. Like Sophia Loren, just a no from me. Crazy how much tastes can differ from person-to-person.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 05:24 PM
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It might be just basic distinguishing yourself from the crowd, what RP calls "peacocking" (but is really individuality). Some people find assertion of individuality attractive. It brings more general attention your way, which means more possible guys who might otherwise gloss over another "plain Jane" (not necessarily to imply anything here). There's also the psychological/social component. Sometimes being the "peacock" in a crowd of "doves" can net you more attention because the regular Brad mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/18 12:05 AM
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Alternative men are going to like you more. What kind of men are you getting attention from? There's also the Juno joke that all jocks/sportos like alt-girls, which I have personally found to be totally false in my experience in high school and college, but maybe it's true. Yeah, but I always immediately notice girls also wearing Converse, (not so much Vans anymore), different style hair, punk shit, checkered pants, you know the gig. You're in college too. They're signifiers. You're going to fin…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 11:50 PM
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That's normally the case, yeah. I actually talked to this girl because she was looking for a relationship, said it many times and in bio, and her approach (and profile and demeanor) made that clear. And that also is a difference in approaches, you are casting a broad swath, you're going to find somebody who is also open to immediate casual sex. This is one of the RP fallacies (not saying you're representing a strictly RP view here) So, normally yeah it's just like "Wanna smoke" but things vary, …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 11:44 PM
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Again, he’ll get more. It will be lower-quality, and they will be women not normally in that “suitable range” or otherwise “questionable.” If you are literally just correlating all high-masculine traits and behaviors and speeches with “being an asshole” versus the mediated approach of an average decent guy, okay, you have a larger pool because you’re appealing to a larger audience by way of what we have integrated socially. Outside of that, the average decent guy can incorporate behaviors that e…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 11:36 PM
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No, it’s as black and white as you make it. There is a lot of middle ground between “complete total asshole” and “never gets any pussy ever loser virgin.” (those aren’t my terms anyway, but how RP discusses it)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 10:49 PM
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If you're literally narrowing it to the barest possible options of asshole or okay person and not taking into account personal disposition whatsoever, sure, he will probably end up with more partners (edit: by the way, he’ll also try to sleep with more partners). That's ridiculously black-and-white, though, in my opinion. Unless you've got some other reasoning for doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 10:35 PM
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The only frustrating thing is that when personality used to play a larger role, I never had a problem with women. I still do well in regularized social settings, like face-to-face. So to understand that the problem isn't so much with you as the superficial narrowing of society is frustrating to the core.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 10:33 PM
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Abusive traits are highly-correlated with risk-taking activities, and other things women find attractive, I would assume. Correlation does not equal causation. Sorry, your wife doesn't get off to you beating the shit out of her nor destroying her self-confidence to gain an upper-hand in the relationship. People who do this, however, tend to have a higher number of traits associated with traditional masculinity. So these behaviors will manifest if someone sets out to be "abusive" and they may fal…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 10:29 PM
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She tried not to, I pressed somewhat hard in conversation. Her intention was to keep it from me. But I knew because the structure of the responses...you always know. So I was able to craft a sentence/question/proposition that would bring it out
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 10:16 PM
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Oh, yeah, I don't mind. We only talked a bit. This does happen to me in some sense pretty often though, I'm not really bad-looking, I used to have a lot more success with dating before Tinder became so popular in my age-group. I'm just really depressed with the dating options, Tinder barely works for average men (it really is a fact) and I'm out of college again, so my social options are limited. I'm just getting to that end-of-road, it's not so much that I have a personal dissatisfaction with s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 10:12 PM
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Meh, she had been talking to the guy and met him out a hundred miles away the week (a few days before) we started talking. Now, given, in a typical RP situation, this would say that his disqualification would have occurred if I was "high-status" enough anyways, or whatever. Sure, I can agree with that. But she also basically put me on the back-burner, not so much to say "friends," but "wait to see what happens with this guy, then you." It was a long response that I got to a question about what t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 10:11 PM
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Met a girl on Tinder who seemed interested. First message. Looking for LTR. Smiley faces. Asked me questions. Pulled out and said she started seeing someone 100 miles away a week and a half ago, can we be friends, et cetera. Typical RP situation. I’m so fed up with this bullshit. Color me resigned.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 02:15 PM
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do you think you’re like idk clever or something
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 10:31 PM
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It’s not luck, it’s the correct proportion of desperation balanced by the correct proportion of insecurity; women of my attractiveness-level and intelligence-level give me slightly more of a chance than the average woman, but the leash only extends an extra inch or so... Luck? Sure, you can call it that. Circumstance is another thing you can call it, and love by circumstance isn’t quite th same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 12:57 AM
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That would make sense given the historic psychological burden of conceiving the self as both subject and object, which men haven’t quite had to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 06:21 PM
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yup
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 05:50 PM
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Same boat. I’m more or less resigned to the reality of the situation. Appreciate the post (sorry) because it makes me feel a bit less alone in the fact. I’m more detracted by the continual letdowns — even with tempered expectations, perpetual rejection is grating, and while tough skin develops and works alright, over time, you come to no longer see the point. I’ve tried dating down, dating up, I’ve tried only going for girls with similar personalities or interests, I’ve tried dating people with …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 05:49 PM
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Your score on the Explorer scale is 26 out of a possible 42, or 62%. Your score on the Builder scale is 9 out of a possible 42, or 21%. Your score on the Director scale is 32 out of a possible 42, or 76%. Your score on the Negotiator scale is 16 out of a possible 42, or 38%.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 07:06 PM
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ok
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 04:20 PM
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immense amount of selection bias, variable definitions altered to be suitable for your purposes and preconstructed thinking here. besides, not really the place for a real in depth philosophy discussion (in my opinion, it’s pretty polarized and biased here). i also tend to find that arch-conservatives in philosophical and/or political matters tend to be intractable in regards to several elements of the core of “postmodern” figures in the continental tradition and the result often seeps into petty…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 02:55 PM
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actually, this isn’t what i’m arguing, even though i can certainly make a point for postmodernism being more than “largely junk” even if i disagree w aspects. my comment was pertaining to “we can all agree” — no, we cannot. that’s why we’re here on this forum. postmodernism wouldn’t be so continuously prevalent in academic, social, personal institutions without a moderately comprehensible base even if it happens to make little or no sense to you
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 01:21 PM
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We can all agree that post-modernism is nonsense at best. well, this statement is just wrong and if it was true it wouldn't be so persistent
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 10:51 PM
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Or, you know, about self-identity and self-worth. But sure, these STEM dorks really just get off on psychologically enslaving an entire section of the human populace Edit: by the way, your little tangent had the same effect on me. Creepy as fuck that you need this degree of minimized social power created through overt simplification and invalid criticism of others
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 02:00 PM
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it's that she doesn't want to choose a cut that's unattractive to him. This is my only real problem. I appreciate the thought there (it's not like I broke up with the chick for this), but I really like for a person who I'm dating to choose what they find attractive/unattractive and not suffer through the prism of what others want, even if it really is just about satisfying the other person in the relationship. This is actually one of my primary criterion in a relationship and I place it above lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/18 04:44 PM
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Excessive materialism, housewife-y nagging, co-opting social movements, superficiality, sheltered benevolence (ie false benevolence), deference, too much emphasis on social aspects, emotion as a state of mind that cannot be cleared, social dependent (I’ve dated girls who literally would ask me what haircut they should get) it’s basically whatever creates the hypocrisy in the feminist movement. Empower yourself, but be submissive. You’re great just the way you are, but everyone needs to shave the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/18 02:18 PM
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I’m not saying you’re necessarily wrong, nor that I necessarily disagree, but that it is not a fundamental truth and depends on a wide number of different variables relating to a number of different topics.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 08:51 PM
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I mean, that’s a valid viewpoint. Just remember that it’s that. A viewpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 08:32 PM
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I would say that is a problem that is mostly based within implicit definitions, and a lot of people think that equality is freedom, equality is a means to the end of good, etc. Most of these modern movements are framed within the contextual relations of power and hierarchies, that's how you need to frame it when analyzing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 08:08 PM
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Most modern feminists will outright tell you this, and it's implicit in most of their statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 08:00 PM
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I think you're confused here. First of all, feminism doesn't posit making the world a better place outside of it contextually being "bettered" by making the world better for women. This is not dependent on your claims of deriving moral value from their movement. Secondly, treating another human being as a means to an end rather than as in-itself is not a moral proposition and has no moral logic to it. Morality isn't equality of outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 07:53 PM
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Does it? Maybe that's because I stated at the beginning that it is a byproduct of morality. I don't give a shit if you're moral or not, do what the fuck you want. I'm just saying your argument against feminism is fucking stupid and illogical with no actual point besides, "Meh, I want mine!" It also completely ignores the actual point of the movement, and makes you the center of this feminist universe. If that's really your objective in life, great. Have a ball.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 06:05 PM
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If most men learned that feminism generally enables women to sacrifice long-term relationships for short-term, vacuous flings with men that don't even abide by feminism's tenets, most would probably not support it. Do not disagree. That's not the issue. The problem is centering your viewpoint in ingrained perspective rather than what the actual tenets of feminism are, which is largely equality for women as a movement by women, for women. The fact that it results in short-term relationships is la…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 12:15 AM
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Because it a byproduct of morality, i.e. I don’t want to oppress someone in a manner which I would not like to be oppressed. Being moral to get laid isn’t morality or virtue, it’s using somebody in a more altruistic form than the way TRPers use people. You should be moral because you are moral, or immoral because you are immoral, not because being moral earns you certain rewards. Outside of that, no one is asking you to sacrifice anything to be moral, definitely not your “sexuality...” edit: Fur…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 09:33 PM
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What movements in particular are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 06:34 PM
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I agree, and I see that as likely being the role of religion in the 21st century, should it see a rebirth.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 06:19 PM
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I forgot to answer the question. Human societies will further polarize. Each population is mating to the best of its ability. People with traditional values will continue traditional values and family structures. Others will decentralize the family structure. Others will toss it: LGBT, poly-amorous, single mother, etc. Many will have justified their lives prior with ideologies, like a feminist single mother, leaving them little excuses for will-driven choices. Greater individual expression and c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 06:09 PM
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I'm actually mostly arguing that intelligence isn't wholly (or even mostly) genetic. And we mostly just disagree as to what degree the environment versus genetics influences development or potential. And we seem to disagree (or I disagree with) the environment playing a subjected role to the genetics at-hand, because I think the environment largely determines the genetics and structure of the organism. From that, you get ideological differences being partially environmental, partially ingrained.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 05:52 PM
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I mean, I'm not saying that YouTube should go by academic standards but if we're going to judge the accuracy of something we should at least know the process behind the edits or that someone is actually holding him to some standard. It's just one guy after all, not a collaborative effort. So by peer-reviewed cuts and edits I mean like, there is literally no one gauging how much bullshit this guy is putting out. Not like an academic board dictating YouTube videos
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 05:46 PM
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If you gave them identical environments, they would necessarily have identical starting conditions (this is your premise), in which case, their biology would be identical or near-identical. They would be like genetic twins. But genetics do shape our intelligence, our hormones, and the way we look at the world. This is not debated. The problem is how much of a role these actually play in functional human relationships versus what we think they could theoretically do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 05:11 PM
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Where do you send them? You're going to have a different culture in different places on Earth, just like the fundamental biological makeup of the human being adapts to environmental causes. And you're going to get different personality traits based on how the cultural forms are created and adapt to environmental traits. Food, arts, literature, even government are often intertwined with aspects of environment. Furthermore, because we can assume that you will follow selected governmental and socio…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 05:01 PM
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And here I was wondering if the guy was really trying to say feminism is a failure and not a viable concept because it fails to get him laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 04:56 PM
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IQ is genetic for example. This is a claim that you generally need to provide some backing and sourcing for. edit: For instance, here is a recent article that ties a discovery of 52 genes that are correlated with intelligence, and thereafter, purportedly, with IQ. However, within the article, you find caveats that empty the thesis of grounding. In a significant advance in the study of mental ability, a team of European and American scientists announced on Monday that they had identified 52 genes…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 04:48 PM
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Not to mention arbitrary, amateur, non-peer reviewed cuts/edits and other editorial points like interviewee selection and fine-tuning the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 04:35 PM
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Quite honestly, I don't have a problem with the conclusions. I haven't watched all the videos, but the problems are hidden in the approach. The questions are fed to them with implicit biases contained within them, "Why do you think women evolved hypergamy? What purpose do you think it served?" Furthermore, the edits are arbitrary, relatively random and reek of pushing a particular point-of-view. This, ladies and gentlemen, is what a bad propaganda channel looks like. That being said, yeah. A lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 04:32 PM
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Yes. But not because of logic that you're proposing (I am a feminist, I therefore get sex). Mostly because similar types (ideological and psychological) attract one another, often by circumstance. Male feminists are far more likely to take a class in say, gender or ethnic studies, where they'll be more likely to meet, say, a female feminist interested in gender and ethnic studies. They'll also be more likely to be in say, a bookstore rather than a gym, where again, they're more likely to meet so…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 04:16 PM
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Let me ask you this, because I'm pretty damn sure you're older than me and we share a lot of the same views on marriage, relationships and "the modern pair." Say your primary objective is raising a healthy, intelligent, adept kid -- not necessarily sleeping around as much as possible. Is "love" as defined within these parameters, basically as a functional means to an end, not experienced in-itself but always as a separate component of itself, only worth pursuing for the glimpses of oxytocin, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 03:58 PM
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I understand it from an intellectual standpoint, and get annoyed when people try to argue against Christianity without understanding the first thing about its premises. Such as it being grounded in some of the most rigorous philosophical proofs imaginable, authored by some of the most intelligent people who have ever lived. A lot of atheists seem to think that Thomas Aquinas is discredited by the "flying spaghetti monster" argument. Yeah, this is extremely annoying even from a generally non-thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 03:41 AM
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Good write-up. It is a little disappointing that people need to more-or-less be told these things. I think the conflation of excitement, dopamine, lust and "love," like you said, is the primary cause of misery in terms of human relationships in the 21st century. All of our institutions are suffering from the effects of industrial media, human institutions are reasonably effected as well. Women are also told (less and less so) that they should hold out for a guy who they truly "love," which often…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 03:30 AM
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