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The problem is, I don't have any obligation to prove anything to you and any normal person, including everyone reading this post, would understand that there's no way any married guy would send picture of his wife to some bad faith clown trolling on the internet. You must think I have teenage brain like you so you think demanding pictures is somehow going to work out for you or doesn't make you sound totally insane. With your level of social dysfunction, it's no wonder you're not getting the att…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 09:30 PM
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You're not getting pictures no matter how much you troll. Imagine thinking I'd actually send pictures of my wife to some rando, bad faith, loser internet troll like you for any reason, ever. But keep going, it helps everyone see how sick you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 09:20 PM
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What you say is kind of true. It certainly hurts your confidence to fail romantically, and it certainly gives you more to succeed. But there are other sources of confidence that don't necessarily come from romantic success, otherwise every man would be stuck in an endless look he couldn't get out of, and never date and never get any relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 09:09 PM
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he’s literally going though my post history and replying to every single one You are lying as you usually do, and everyone can just check out my post history to see that. You are delusional and have a serious case of main character syndrome. Anyways, after admitting earlier you are in fact a troll that's only posting BS to cause problems for people and have no interest in any kind of real discussion with anyone, I don't think you have any room to complain if anyone wants to smack down a few of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:47 PM
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While I do agree that porn shouldn't be banned, you're using an overly-broad definition of porn to make it look less harmful than it really is. There's no doubt that regular porn consumption is psychologically damaging and hurts people's ability to have stable happy, IRL relationships. That said, it's a matter of degrees ( a little bit no harm, at lot, more harm ) and it's people's personal choice. It's like smoking or gambling, in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:44 PM
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Except I am, but thanks for admitting you're lying about going to the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:23 PM
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You think the same way about women, so it's not weird for the female version of you (degenerate, bitter doomer troll) to think the same way about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:14 PM
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Clown comment from a self-admitted troll. You don't even go to the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:09 PM
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Rarely, if ever. It's not a matter of being afraid of social interaction in general, but I feel like I don't have that much in common with average men. Most of the things they like are boring to me, and most of they things they talk about are boring also. I also work for myself remotely so I don't really have any reason to approach men for work related reasons, if I did I'd probably talk to men a lot more.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:46 PM
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This is a great comment and totally on point, I don't even have anything to add. Just saved for posterity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:45 PM
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Depends on where you live. In America maybe you could be arrested, because the people are psychotic, hysterical and violent and the police are even more psychotic, hysterical and violent. However, in nearly every other country in the world, there's a near-zero chance that you'd ever be arrested for approaching a women to talk to her / express romantic interest. That said, cold approaching random women also has a near-zero chance of success for most guys in most places, so just a waste of time. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:32 PM
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no amount of preparation can get u in relationship because u are just a normal person. u are not hitler, u are not stalin. Totally delusional and unhinged levels of idiotic. I've literally gotten in relationships specifically as a result of preparing for dating by improving game and social skills. Like there's literally a direct line from "learn better game, social skills and how to read / understand women" -> "relationship with hot girl" in my own life experience. That's why when people like yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:03 PM
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Oh, I see. So what does that have to do with opening up emotionally, though? Just avoid girls with BPD, right? ( I certainly do, I think it's a good choice to avoid any women with serious mental illness. )
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 06:53 PM
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In other words, you'd only date a girl that's messed up in the head or that doesn't like you enough to even care about your feelings. It's so weird that you would go out of your way to specifically pick bottom-tier or uninterested women when they obvious choice to avoid problems is just to date a decent girl that actually likes you and be open and honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 06:51 PM
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I have no problem reading the room most of the time and I haven't since my early 20's. This is basic adulting, and it's pretty crazy that so many Americans have become so immature and socially dysfunctional that you think this is some kind of special skill. Now, reading women's interests level is like an additional level of skill, but even that most guys could learn it if they wanted to actually improve their dating life, instead of using it as an excuse to whine like bratty children about how e…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 05:37 PM
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You would date a girl that didn't like you or only liked you a little then be upset she doesn't treat you well? That's pretty insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:10 AM
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The lie you're telling is that normal women who don't use men's emotions against them are unicorns. Most women I've been with have never done that. What are you doing wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:04 AM
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Yet the lesson you learned was not to avoid women with BPD, it was to bottle up your emotions and refuse any human connection with the person you are dating. I cannot imagine exactly what insane troll logic resulted in your ridiculous conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:01 AM
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The you know even less about the topic. So it's extra weird that you're so convinced your doomer delusions are right.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:55 AM
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That would be really strange especially considering I'm a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:53 AM
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It's a no for me. To much weird it's going to cause drama and all kinds of other issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 09:18 PM
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I'm not wrong, you just hurt yourself by refusing to face reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 07:51 PM
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I'm not disregarding luck. Luck is always a factor. But luck is meaningless if you don't have those other things. You can't take advantage of good luck, i.e., opportunities, inherent advantages, if you're wrong / unprepared in other ways. For example, luck could land someone a great job opportunity through family connections (as who you are born to and related to is basically just luck), but then that person could bomb the interview because they are incompetent or have a horrible mentality / att…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 07:48 PM
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No it's not. It's mostly about your abilities, attitude, effort and skill.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 06:45 PM
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It's funny how people who don't do anything and sit around pretending the world owes them something always have "bad luck", and always tell the jealous lie that successful people just have "good luck". Luck determines many of your opportunties, that's very true. But your own work, skills, intelligence and mindset is what turns those opportunities from potential to success.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 06:34 PM
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I know a lot of happily married average or ugly looking short guys with attractive wives. I can find at least 2-3 couples like this if I just go down to the park in the city center where couples and families walk around. Sorry your bitter doomer bias doesn't let you acknowledge reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 06:29 PM
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Sorry that you can't handle reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 06:26 PM
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Stop dating bottom tier, messed up women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:21 PM
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Most women don't think that way, this is just the doomer lie you tell yourself to justify hating women or treating them as inferior.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:20 PM
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I do it regularly. I'm happily married and it's worked out great.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:18 PM
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No they aren't. America has a higher suicide rate than Japan, and I don't see any tent cities with fentanyl addicted homeless in Japan or Korea. They also have much lower crime, much better education systems, and are more innovative in terms of new technology developments. Compared to Korea or Japan, despite their many problems, America is definitely the dystopia.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:14 PM
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You're projecting all your weird American social politics on countries you've only seen in books and barely understand. Your questions are absurd and ridiculous because American "pills" have nothing to do with those cultures and there is no way to explain something as complex as another country and culture with something as shallow, basic and low-IQ as dating pill theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:12 PM
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America-brain thinking, too ignorant to understand the rest of the world don't work like your insane bubble. Most people are actually pretty pro-social and group oriented in most countries. America's psychotic, extremist, hyper-individualism is not the norm or even close to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:06 PM
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I don't think there's really much difference between genders on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:02 PM
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Everyone has the ability to observe and learn from other people. For example, I've know many short and average or below average looks men who do great with women based on their social skills, even if I haven't experienced that myself personally. That's how I know the people who pretend only looks matter and short / average / ugly men have no options to attract women are lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 06:49 PM
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I watched guys do it in without steroids in 6-12 months. I saw it with my own eyes. I don't mean going from out of shape / obese to muscle maxx. I mean normal, attractive build to disgusting muscle overload in 6-12 months. No, I think a majority of competative swimmers have the right build that women find attractive, lean muscle.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 12:55 PM
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I see guys achieve it all the time and enjoy the benefits of losing most female attention. I think the lie that a lot of "muscle maxxers" tell is that it's basically impossible to muscle up too much, when in reality it's pretty easy and most women really don't like the level of muscle your average gym bro is shooting for. I've seen so many western / American guys who go the other extreme from being too fat, overdo it and just look ridiculous / gross. It's like Americans are so extremist brained …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 12:40 PM
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I mean, from your stats you sound pretty normal for a fit guy, I wouldn't imagine that you were muscle overkill or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:55 AM
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I can't say anything about estimating or not because I've never attempted to become extremely muscular myself. I don't know how easy or hard it is. All I can say is I've seen male friends reach a point that most women considered "too much" in 6 months to a year of training (no steroids) and saw their interest from women evaporate. I can also say in places like California beaches in the summer (where at least by American standards there's a higher than usual number of fit people), I see lots of g…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:50 AM
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Where I live (Georgia) women aren't the most attractive compared to other parts of Eastern Europe (hottest women in Eastern Europe are in Ukraine and the Balkans, I think), but she'd be nothing special here. My wife is hotter and I'd rate my wife about a 7.5 / 8 max. To be fair Dua might have a great body depending on how well she keeps up her fitness, it's hard to tell from these photos, but I'm talking about face in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:33 AM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:32 AM
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No, I'm friends with a couple guys who overdid it and they weren't taking any steroids.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:30 AM
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It easily is. It think a lot of guys vastly overestimate how much muscle women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:28 AM
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Completely delusional. I've seen guys get that way after 6 months to a year of working out, and I've watch the interest from women drop to zero and listened to them complain about it. There's also tonnes of surveys and interviews with women all over YouTube were women consistantly reject the over muscled men in a line up of what body type is attractive. Just because you wish women were into the same extreme muscle body type that gay men often are doesn't make that truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:12 AM
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You mean, too muscular, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:08 AM
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It doesn't matter whatever your reasoning is for why they have good social skills, the face remains most have good social skills. In fact, I've met a lot of "chad" guys (women are all over them) who only have average looks (usually average / below average face but very fit and with good style / grooming) but their amazing charisma makes them a chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:07 AM
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Also true.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 11:04 AM
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I'm more attractive now than I was 10 years ago, but i don't think I can keep that trend going another 20 years, so probably not. It would be nice, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:42 AM
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chads Most chads have good social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:38 AM
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Wife says the same. I actually was surprised when she first told me but I started looking into it and it turns out lots of women feel this way. My wife's explaination is super tall guys "feel dangerous and threatening".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:35 AM
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Really? You asking all the girls why they are approaching or are you just assuming?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:34 AM
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I get mistaken for a woman regularly and can pass when I pluck / wax my facial hair. Also, yes, I am a femboy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:29 AM
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Most men think they are disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:25 AM
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Nose rings are disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:25 AM
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All because a bunch of pathological lying trash tell them to ignore social skills and only looks matter. Meanwhile the guys with strong social skills just stay fit, don't worry about the stuff they can't change on their face, and have a good time with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:23 AM
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That's actually a lie. Lots of women find super muscular men gross. There's a sweet spot of lean and a little muscular that most women like. The meat head roid rage gymbro look actually appeals more to gay men than women. If you want to attract men, then work out until your veins look like tapeworms under your arm skin.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:18 AM
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Agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:13 AM
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Most people are ugly for reasons they can control but simply refuse to such as: obesity obesity obesity obesity obesity zero skin care poor hygiene no fashion sense
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:13 AM
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You'd have to prove it for anyone to care.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:11 AM
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I guess it proves the problem is your garbage social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:10 AM
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Again, your teenage brain probably doesn't realize you have to make actual arguments to back up why you think something is wrong instead of just writing "nuh uh! nuh uh!" over and over.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:07 AM
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I'm not ethically Georgian, I am extremely un-hairy (barely even have chest hair naturally), I'm average height (176cm) and never experienced any issues due to it, and I am already married so I don't know what you are on about your weird "mate guarding" delusion. Most Georgians don't have central Asian nose or face shape and I don't either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 01:56 AM
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It's stupid, uncivilized and degenerate to be mad at an entire gender just because some people of that gender treated you badly. It goes both ways. I've had bad experiences with certain women but hold no bigotry or hate towards women in general. Any normal woman who is not some kind of bigotted savage should be civilized enough to have the same understanding with places swapped. That said, most women I know who have had bad experiences with men don't hold any grudges or hate towards men in gener…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 02:19 PM
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You act like a smartass teenager, literally doing "nuh uh you are" and "hurr derp you're probably not cool like me hurr derp" pathetic clown act. I think my original point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 10:34 AM
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Don't tell me what matters about my own country. This is what pisses me off the most about Americans, you obviously are out of your depth talking about a place you know nothing about, but instead of having the self-awareness to admit you just don't know, your massive ego makes you double, triple and quadruple down on being confidently stupid and wrong. Georgian men have no demographic advantage over American men, they have in fact a lot of disadvantages. But they even typically beat out American…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 02:17 AM
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Just the fact you think alcohol actually improves social skills shows you have no idea what actual social skills are. I never said social skills mean being "good" or "nice", either. That's just a strawman you created because you can't dispute my actual point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 02:10 AM
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You're never going to get hot enough to overcome bad social skills. Like many some 1/10000 man will, but that won't be you. Even if you looksmaxx ( which you should, it still helps to be better looking even if it's not enough to erase the important of game and charisma ). So stop lying to men and making them think social skills aren't the most important thing for the average guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 02:08 AM
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No, I said that social skills are the most important thing for dating relationships. That means for most people. For a few extremely attractive people, they are less important. But for people who aren't outliers, they are the main make or break skills for dating / relationships. Nobody IRL gets to choose if they are born hot or not. The best they can do is looksmaxx what they have. Which for most people is good enough that they aren't too ugly to date, but not good enough they can ignore social …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 08:36 PM
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I'm not talking about sexual success, I'm talking about relationships and dating. Pump and dumping a bunch of hot drunk girls is a failure when it comes to relationships and dating. It's just a waste of time that leads to nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 08:34 PM
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I think developing social skills can be just as hard for some people as improving one’s looks or financial status. Or perhaps not exactly hard, but time-consuming and uncomfortable, since it’s all practice and there really aren’t any shortcuts and the process can seem uncertain. For sure, I completely agree with this. It's not easy to improve but it's worth the effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 06:50 PM
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If you keep writing nonsense posts, desperately peddling the lie that social skills don't matter, I'm going to keep responding to them. It's up to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 06:13 PM
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Many women have an innate revulsion to short men. I can go down to the city center and see a bunch of short men with attractive women happily dating or married. Do you just make up random BS and think it's true because you said it? And though there are some women who may not mind a guy being short, there are virtually no women who prefer short guys. I know women who refuse to date guys over a certain height, and women who refuse to date guys under a certain height. Most women are looking for guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 06:01 PM
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It's kind of irrelevant if women have strong social skills. When it comes to dating, social skills are required for men. Not as much for women. Whether that's fair or not doesn't really matter. Men and women are different and have different expectations from their potential partners. You can say that it should change, etc, but that won't help the men who are struggling with dating / relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:57 PM
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There’s an entire body of journal articles and papers written by PhDs that confirm that physical attraction is the greatest driver of forming relationships. Yes, ones you made up, right? Now back in reality, the very small number of studies that people like you cite to back up this fantasy of yours don't even prove what you claim they do and typically have small sample sizes in testing situations that don't apply to real life. Here’s another “social” interaction that does not rely on social skil…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:55 PM
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To even get the social interaction with women in the first place you need to be attractive. That's mostly false, unless you limit interactions with women only to "approaching strangers". Most guys who meet women IRL do so in social situations (work, school, clubs, events, etc) where they have many opportunities over time to talk to women and use their charisma / social skills to build attraction even if it was weak to start with.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:50 PM
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the more attractive you are the less social skills you'll Need, more ugly you're more social skills you Need. Actually, I agree with you a lot. I'm just considering that most men aren't drop dead gorgeous, so for the average guy social skills are going to be the main thing and pretty important. I will also say, even for really good looking guys, the longer a relationship goes on, the more social skills are going to matter. He might be able to get laid barely talking, but to get in an LTR, he's g…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:46 PM
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That's not accurate at all. First thing, most real life women don't care about "status" at all, so we can just ignore that for anyone who's serious about relationships and not just arguing online for fun. Second, it's true that looks can give you a certain surplus of opportunities. That said, social skills are the only way you can turn those opportunities into real dating / relationships (unless you're just going for hookups, you might manage that on looks alone). Also, social skills can create …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:44 PM
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This isn't about what is right, this is about what works. The people who say that social skills don't matter for men are advocating for men to fail at relationships / dating. Whether it's fair or not to men that social skills are important is an entirely different matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:35 PM
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You are lying about your social skills. Ok, but you know people can see your post history and judge from that, right? I'm not going to read all 200K or so comments but what I see doesn't suggest you have "dog shit social skills". I broke every rule that I see get advocated by people giving dating advice to incel types. I don't know anything about rules, but I do know that social skills are very important for success in dating / relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:34 PM
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This is what people with bad social skills who have developed that fantasy that everyone who does well with women only has success because of looks constantly say. Back in the real world, the halo effect is not nearly as strong as the social skills deniers pretend. It's just an excuse to be a failure and blame all relationship problems on factors that can't be controlled.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:30 PM
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I do have life experience. I'm fucking married, for one. That just makes your reality denial worse or more malicious. If you're going to make personal attacks I'm going to start flagging your posts. Threats of censorship when you can't win the argument. Got it. he will get laid, at least in the short-term. Moving the goalposts. I've been talking about dating and relationships the entire time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:26 PM
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They do though. They out-play Americans all the time in America. Lots of Georgians live in New York and I can see how they do. American women are considered "easy" because they respond so strongly to charisma and confidence it's like they are craving it. American guys on average are so cringe and socially awkward it's relatively easy for your typical 165 cm charismatic Georgian guy to beat them in romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:23 PM
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And can you believe that two people can have two objectively different experiences? You're experiences just aren't representative of reality because your perspective is too narrow. Don't live in Eastern Europe, and I don't date there. This is irrelevant. You're generalizing about men / relationships then trying to exclude the areas that disprove your generalizations. Pretty funny. You can send likes to people. Depending on the app, you can even send a message. If they like you back, it's a match…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:13 PM
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still gets more play than the ugly guy with a great personality 100% a lie and NEET fantasy. The hot guy usually has a decent personality too but people like you just ignore that part to fit with your biases and rage-fiction. Have you never heard of women marrying guys with trash personalities? Basically never unless it's an arraigned marriage. You're confusing "good personality" with "good person". There are lots of charismatic thugs and criminals out there too, and enough broken women with low…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 04:47 PM
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Ah yes, the "my views don't match theirs, so of course they must be lying!" approach. It's more like you're telling me not to believe my own eyes, so it makes sense for me to assume you're the one lying. Because to me, I don't see these "pretty ugly guys" who get attention with strong social skills. Just buy a plane ticket to Eastern Europe and I can fix that for you. Even when I was living in America for a few years I saw ugly guys with pretty girls less often but still pretty regularly. So I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 04:33 PM
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If you showed a woman a photo of a man, and simply asked her if she would consider dating this man based on the photo alone, any photo that woman said "no" to is "ugly enough". Women don't date men based on looks alone, so your comment is irrelevant. Most men are ugly to most women until they open their mouth. Just proves even more that social skills matter. Can't do that if people don't want to talk to you. There's always places to talk to people unless you're some NEET locked in your basement.…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 04:19 PM
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Compared to the US, the female - male distribution in Georgia has a surplus of males and is less advantageous to men than the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 04:15 PM
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But that's a lie you made up that doesn't reflect real life. Even pretty ugly guys can get attention with strong social skills. I see it all the time. It's not zero for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 04:14 PM

That's the point: they don't have to "do anything." Actually, that's a lie. Most of good looking guys actually have at least OK social skills. The highly attractive man with zero social skills is more like a fantasy unicorn for the sake of argument than a real human. I'm not sure what adverse long-term consequences you're referring to Because you have no life experience, I guess. Also probably why you believe the insane delusion that social skills don't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 04:12 PM
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No, it always does when we're talking about normal men not minority outliers like criminals with a harem of crazy women that no normal man would want in their life. Also, there are lots of charismatic criminals out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 04:09 PM
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Do you choose your s/o according to her SMV? Kind of, but not really. Like she did fit my "range" of requirements, in terms of her age, appearance and (lack of) previous relationship experience, but in the end it came down to who she was. I was actually interested in several girls including her at the time but she was the first to make a move on me. However, once we started dating, I realized she was exactly the kind of person I wanted to be with based on her personality and I fell in love with …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 03:56 PM
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I think "friendzone" is a misnomer. Being in the "friendzone" isn't a friend relationship. It's more a like a toxic, parasocial celebrity-fan relationship. Real friendships are something different.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 03:37 PM
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It's not glossing over since most people already meet that bar. So pretending like attractiveness is the main issue for most men is disingenuous and incorrect. Again, no denying that attractiveness helps and more attractiveness is always better. But most guys are not in the position where they are so ugly that it's the main reason why they are unable to date / get in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 03:31 PM
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Yes, and if he were really hot, but had a shit personality, she'd be willing to take a haircut in the personality column and go with the hot guy. Unlikely based on what she's said, based on what most women here have said when asked about it, and based on my experience with women IRL. Trash personality always ends in ghosting / dumping of the guy, at best friendzone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 03:07 PM
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Ahh, I understand. You're describing their mindset and why they reject any suggestions of improving their social skills. That's true for many guys here. I think those guys don't end up happy or with any lasting relationships in the end though, just miserable, bitter, alone and hating the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 03:05 PM
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Yes, there are immature, short-sided, desperate guys who would do anything to get their dick wet no matter the long term consequences. I don't think those guys are "winning" at life or relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 03:03 PM
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Getting 5 interviews, acing them and finding the perfect job is better than getting 100 interviews and no job. Ideally of course everyone wants max looks and max social skills. But if you have to choose one or the other social skills is more effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 03:01 PM
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It's weird that you insist on pretending you're an expert about a country you don't live in and have never been too to someone who actually lives in that country. The normal human gender distribution is a slight female surplus and in Georgia the female surplus is within global averages from 35-50, and only becomes extremely pronounced at 50+. Below 35, there's actually a significant male surplus. Most of the guys I'm talking about are in their 20-30s and dating girls in their 20s-30s also. So yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:54 PM
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I have dog shit social skills never struggled dating and am happily married. I don't think that's the case. I think you probably have perfectly decent social skills. We also know the Halo Effect completely impacts people’s perception of social skills. Go to the weight loss subreddit there are thousands of posts about how people say they are treated much better by people since the lost weight. You're mixing up random strangers being nice with actual dating and relationships. Looks will always hel…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:49 PM
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Good social skills + physically unattractive generally gets a guy friendzoned I've just seen too many ugly guys who have been successful with good social skills to believe this. It's actually hot guys with bad social skills who get friend zoned the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:46 PM
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Which is counter to OP's argument that social skills are the most important thing. It's not. They are the most important thing because 90-95% of men ( at least if they looksmaxx as best they can ) are simply not genetically ugly enough for them to have zero / near-zero chance no matter what they say or do. For most men, they are good enough looking that social skills will make the biggest difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:44 PM
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You wouldn’t understand this dynamic if you haven’t lived a portion of your life obese and the other half ripped and lean but it is what it is. I literally have (not obese but overweight) and that's why I know that social skills matter more. Being good looking didn't help much without social skills. But when I developed better social skills, even when I gained weight, I did better than when I was better looking with worse social skills. Then I lost the weight and had both looks and social skills…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:41 PM
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Fair enough, but I've also seen a lot of guys without good looks attract women just based on game. They don't have the advantage of the initial "wow" from their appearance, but if they get enough time to interact, they can build up attraction pretty fast with their behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:39 PM
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Ahh, it's actually social interaction. I don't spend 16 hours every day having sex with my wife. But I do spend that much time hanging out with her, going places with her, talking with her, playing games together, watching shows together, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:37 PM
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But if you get the shot but don't have the social skills, that's like getting lots of job interviews but bombing every one.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:36 PM
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Certainly if you just want to get laid quickly it's possible to manage just based on looks. That said, even a lot of they guys who I see that like to "spin plates" and do club hookups have pretty good social skills / charisma too, like to approach women and get them to go home with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:34 PM
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How many times will you make "social skill" topics. As long as it's necessary to keep men from being scammed and led astray by the pathological liars who pretend social skills don't matter. Is the "need to be right" THAT faking strong with you? I don't need to be right, I am right. None of the "social skills don't matter" pathological liars have managed to present any logic or reasons to justify their claims that social skills are irrelevant, and their claims defy common sense and the life exper…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:32 PM
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Probably because your face was so bad it was a deal breaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:28 PM
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Women do date up, but "up" including better social skills. I've seen plenty of ugly guys get women that average or good looking men were rejected by just because the ugly guy has way better social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:27 PM
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Both of these things are false. The gender ratio only favors men in the 50+ demographic. Unless you want to date old ladies that's irrelavent. I'm not talking about Georgian guys going after Georgian women, I'm talking about Georgian guys going after European women living in or visiting Georgia, and winning over men from other countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:26 PM
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The irony is, at least in my own life experience, lots of "Chads" I've met are super charismatic. Good looking? Often so, but also charismatic to the point where even other guys are a little attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:20 PM
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I agree. There is a point way at the bottom of the scale for physical attractiveness that's so bad no amount of social skills / ability will overcome it. Like the bottom 5-10%. But most men are attractive enough (at least, if they make an effort to be normal weight, groom themselves well, have good hygene ) for looks to not be a major impediment to dating / relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:15 PM
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The problem is equating being "socially skilled" with being a good and kind person. Sure, but I think that's often just a red herring that many social skill deniers put up. Being good and kind has additional benefits of their own, but it's possible to have good social skills / charisma / game without being very good or kind. Claiming people are just single because of their bad personality or "antisocial" behaviour really is an injustice towards a lot of single people. Kind of. I think when you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:11 PM
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This.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:09 PM
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Right, but both her and me aren't arguing that looks don't matter at all, only that personality what matters most. She basically said, if the guy had average looks she still would have married him based on his personality alone. Only if his looks were really bad then it would have been a deal breaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:09 PM
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I think a lot of those posts are from dudes who WISH social skills weren't as important. Yep, exactly. (I moved around a lot as a a kid and it seriously stunted my social development for a while) Me too, actually. It took me a while to develop good social skills in general and then good skills for interacting with / attracting women. In my case, I was quite attractive by the time I was in my late teens, but my seriously bad social skills meant I still mostly failed with women in almost every cas…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 01:58 PM
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I think what a lot of us men on here say is that they can often be irrelevant or nullified by a persons physical appearance like their looks and height. I think the problem is social skills deniers drastically exaggerate how important physical appearance is. Yes, if someone is catastrophically ugly (1-2/10) it's possible that even the best social skills aren't enough. But most men simply don't fall under that extreme. Like 90-95% of men aren't hot enough to get by on looks alone, and aren't ugly…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 01:57 PM
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The problem with this is that it's very hard for people who lack social skills to really understand what's going on. It's also very hard for normie people to separate physical attraction from social skills. 100% this. I noticed many of the people who are most committed to spread the lie social skills don't matter typically (after some interactions when them) exhibit very poor social skills overall or poor social skills in connection to opposite gender interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 01:54 PM
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Every speed dating study shows physical attractiveness (PA) plays the most important role. So what? Nobody denies that looks helps with initial attraction. But you won't get far without decent social skills. This is nowhere near evidence that social skills are irrelavent. There's a pretty new study showing women who cheat, cheat (on average) with higher PA partners than their current partner (surprisingly it seems to be true for men too). Again, no surprise. Lots of cheating is just about lettin…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 01:52 PM
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Even if you can, it's not worth it. Repeating trash behavior like that over and over turns you in to a trash human, and this applies to both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 12:53 PM
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Your assumption was not correct Yes it was, based on the information he shared up to that point. Doubling down on being wrong is a bad look. Nobody, not I or MikeArrow ever argued that social skills don't matter in a relationship. Mike did, right here: I imagine my currently 'poor' social skills would suddenly improve dramatically if I was more physically attractive. His implicit claim here is that attractiveness is basically all that matters because people only say "you have good social skills"…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 05:52 PM
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Yes they would lol. Only in the made up world in your head. In real life, that's not how it works. Do you know how I know? I was 9/10 hot in high school ( probably still am, but only if you like girls / femboys ). Guess what? The minute I started talking women lost interest. I didn't start having success until I was in my early 20's and had made an intentional effort to develop my social skills. I don't know how large the impact is, but it's real. It's not enough to overcome bad social skills, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 04:55 PM
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As an attractive man, please stop talking like you know how my life has been. Like in high school I was male model hot and had terrible social skills, especially connected to women. The minute I opened my mouth women would lose all interest. I had to make an intentional effort to fix that by building up my confidence, charisma, and game before I started having success.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 04:51 PM
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game = attractive genetics No it's not, clown. 🤦‍♀️ money is great equalizer I so want you to come to here to Eastern Europe and throw your money around to try and attract women. You need to get scammed a few times so you learn to not believe such insane delusions. Also, you should see all the ugly men with attractive women to blow up your stupid jealous fantasy about how "looks are everything". otherwise no man will be single unwillingly Lots of men are afraid to develop their social skills, do…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 04:33 PM
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Meaning, that his poor social skills weren't a deterrent for getting a relationship. It was mostly looks. No, it means he lied about having poor social skills to support a claim he knew was wrong to start with. YOU who assumed that he DOES have decent social skills because he had a relationship in the past It's not an assumption. It's based on the fact that in order form a stable LTR decent social skills are a basic requirement. I'm not sure why there are so many clowns on this sub desperately a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 04:22 PM

I don't see any evidence of your claim IRL. Even men you think "aren't good enough" for the women they are with, once you start to see who they are more, it becomes pretty clear why she's into him; there's always something.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 03:53 PM
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More insane babbling from someone who clearly knows nothing about women or relationships. Like how do you even get along in real life being that clueless and delusional? Most relationships the girl doesn't even find the guy very attractive at first, most guys attract women on social skills. Then again, if you're socially stunted you wouldn't know that, you just stare jealously at Chad raging about how it's "unfair that he's hot" and ignore the fact he's got great charisma and game which is doing…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 03:52 PM
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Of course I would. Why wouldn't I? What does gender have to do with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 03:39 PM
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My assumption was correct based on what he told me about himself in that comment, only after he provided new information then it made sense to revise my assumption. You're literally trying to pretend adapting to new information is a bad thing in a desperate (and pathetic) attempt to imply my main point (which you can't actually argue against) is wrong. Just admit I'm right as you know I am instead of playing your sad little games. It's completely unhinged and delusional to claim that social skil…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 03:36 PM

Basically yes. This is because red pill is an American social movement. It's not a problem with red pill specifically, it's just an American culture thing. Any time you have some kind of widespread "popular" social / self-help movement in America, it immediately attracts all the grifters and scammers. In the end, while red pill does have a lot of collectively shared beliefs, it doesn't really have a "leader", despite all the grifters who pretend to be. It's not really possible to say who "speaks…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 02:03 PM
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Nothing has changed about women's biology overall. Childbearing still become difficult by mid 30's and impossible by mid 40's. So women lose a certain level of attractiveness to most men because of that. However, it does seem like in the last 50 years or so, humans have really started to age more slowly and look better for their age for a variety of reasons. Women in their 30's and 40's will still have handicaps compared to younger women, and will not have the same experience as a woman in their…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:50 PM
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Not at all. I'm not using circular logic. My point is clear: Looks can get you in the door, but you will always fail eventually without decent social skills Your own experience proves me right, you got your foot in the door by looks, and maintained an LTR with good social skills. But now you're turning around and trying to say only looks matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:35 PM
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Right, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:30 PM
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At least then I have a chance. You don't if you have bad social skills. I was in a relationship for many years, my social skills were sufficient enough for that. In that case, I'll take back my comment that you have bad social skills. You very likely have perfectly decent social skills. But what's weird is that your own experience kind of proves social skills matter, then you're trying to argue that they don't...?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:30 PM
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I've had at least a dozen close female friends in my life and been in many relationships (and I am now married). None of them have a " toxic abusive ex" story. In fact, such a story is usually a red flag, as it's more common that the woman is trying to cover for that fact that she was part of the problem in that "abusive" relationship or that she has issues which make her attracted to abusive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:28 PM
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Because women like to act virtuous Women don't anything. Women aren't a monolith.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:24 PM
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Even the "only looks matter" guys say that dark triad personality traits are more attractive, so its not like they completely discount it. Fair enough. They claim social skills matter, but just different social skills. being awful to women is the thing they need to fix I mean, it's on a case by case basis, right? There are lots of men on this sub who are awful to women, and as a result complete failures in dating, and therefore bitter and angry. Those men do need to change their attitude towards…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:18 PM
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That's false. Toxic women are attracted to toxic men. Most women aren't attracted to toxic men. Not understanding that is a mistake that lots of socially incompetent degenerates make, thinking that being scum will get them laid, then ending up alone, bitter, and throwing fits about how women are "conspiring against men" on PPD. Literally every woman has a sob story about an ex who treated them “so bad,” That says more about the kind of women you associate with then women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:11 PM
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There are studies that confirm, women are mostly biased towards themselves The problem is nothing I've seen in real life backs this up. When safety is involved, women do tend to be supportive of each other, but beyond that, women are very often much worse to each other than they are towards men. Maybe it's only always online social media groupthink where "women stick with women" happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:08 PM
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Same. I hate it when people just say "women do..." or "men do..." because it's a low-key attempt to project that stereotype onto every woman / man they meet or interact with, or act like a whole gender is a hivemind conspiring together for some outcome. Only the other hand, saying something like "a majority of" or "many" or "some" or "lots" basically implies that any individual women or man could easily not be part of the majority or the discussed group and isn't guaranteed to fall under the ste…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:04 PM
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Capabilities, sure. But someone who did it for selfish, criminal, dark triad reasons? Most women aren't attracted to that. 99% of women would find it low-key very attractive if their husband / boyfriend beat a home invader to a pulp. Most aren't going to feel the same attraction if the same husband goes over the neighbors house, robs the TV and rapes the neighbor's teenage daughter. The women who do find the second thing attractive are a special kind of crazy and a small minority. Still, there a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:58 PM
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Yes, it says that women value social skills more than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:56 PM
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improve ur height Completely moronic delusion / lie. Social skills are skill. They can be improved at any age. Comparing them to height is totally insane and unhinged. he can make enough money to compensate for his skill issue Money with bad social skills will only attract gold diggers and scammers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:54 PM
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I imagine my currently 'poor' social skills would suddenly improve dramatically if I was more physically attractive. No, they wouldn't. Being physically attractive only gets your foot in the door. A successful relationship is fundamentally dependent on social skills. I've gone on dates. Foot in the door. You're not with those women now, are you? You just failed with extra steps. Social skills are critical. It's pretty clear what the barrier is, and it's not my social skills. It's clear it's your…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:52 PM
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My advice to those men? Continue to date these women that look at you as the safe option, however once you sleep with them, ghost them or just continue being coy around the whole "what are we?" question. Totally degenerate "shit where you eat" behavior. It's people like you who encourage women to behave badly and contribute to the instability and moral decay in your society. There's no reason except your own hedonistic selfishness to act this way, so if you do, you're effectively nothing more th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:48 PM
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Look, if I'm looking for a mother of my kids, a girl thats loyal, honest, trustworthy and reliable is a non-negotiable. Of course if there are two girls who are both equality loyal, honest, trustworthy and reliable, I'm going to pick the one that's hotter, more fun, smarter, more interesting, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:46 PM
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I pretty much agree with everything you said with one caveat: Romantic success is not about being a good person or any other such nonsense. I think it depends on the kind of women you want to attract. If abusive / crazy women are OK with you, then having no morals or ethical standards is fine. But if you're looking for a women who isn't going to turn your life into a completely disaster, then morals / ethics are pretty important. But if your point is just "romantic success" with any women regard…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:39 PM
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Because personality / social skills are so important to women. There's always being to be crazy women with issues happy to partner up with a "bad ass" criminal (not the kind a normal guy would like to get in an LTR with, though). While men with poor social skills, criminals or not, have very little options. This is because decent social skills are a basic requirement for the vast majority of women, despite what some of the "only looks matter" pathological liars will say on this sub. That's why t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:38 PM
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I don't think anyone seriously gives out this advice though, it's just a way that people lowkey insult / shame men when on the internet when they are mad at them about something. I've never seen "just be gay" offered as serious advice to anyone IRL, because it's of course, ridiculous. Sexuality isn't something that can be instantly adjusted or flipped by some switch. Most people, especially men, are pretty locked into their sexuality their entire lives. (Women tend to be a little more fluid in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:32 PM
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I was physically abused by a girlfriend in my early 20s who threw things at me and shattered a glass on my head, leaving me a scar I have until today. I also had a girlfriend that while she never hurt me, like to destroy valuable things I owned in a rage if she didn't get her way. I guess that's a kind of abuse too, but I don't exactly know what I'd call it. She also liked to embarass me and talk me down in front of my friends constantly, kind of like a low-key bullying. That said, I'm pretty aw…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:20 PM

devastating to the environment Major false assumption here. As society / civilization has developed, people have actually become better at maintaining the environment than in the past, despite there being more people. For example, North America and Europe have more forest cover today than they did at the time of Columbus. The more developed a society is, the better people treat the environment. This is backed up by statistics. If you want to protect the environment, you should be focused on the …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:13 PM
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This is right.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:48 AM
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Most men aren't doing any of that. It's a tiny minority and projecting that onto every man is just hateful bigotry. Imagine if I said "the crime rate in the black community in America is higher than for other racial groups (statistically accurate), therefore, black people should be generalized as criminals (the same way you are generalizing men)". That would be disgusting and racist as even with the higher rate as the vast majority of black people are not criminals so it's unfair and racist to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:05 AM
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get you laid Only if you're looking to pick up drunk town bicycles at a bar. It won't get you laid with normal, sober women, because if your personality is trash the minute you open your mouth she's out of there. That's how it works in real life, unlike in your doomer fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:59 AM
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Nobody says you spouse "must" be your best friend but it's good to find someone you get along with, love talking to and spending time with to be your partner for life. The best way to set up your marriage to fail is to marry someone you find boring and irritating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 04:23 PM
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You sound like a degenerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 02:10 AM
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Too much America-brain, too much internet. You've decided that a niche group of always online American weirdos who have near zero IRL social interaction are somehow are worth listening to about dating. Women in the US are not interested in nuisance, understanding, there is a rush to judge in the quickest way possible, without any sympathy. That's just American toxic culture. American guys are messed up in the head exactly the same way, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 02:07 AM
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No, it's a victimhood narrative because most men don't commit any crimes their entire life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 02:03 AM

Are you trying to make friend specifically or just trying to join some social groups to do different activities? I've never tried to make friends directly by talking to people online, but joining social / activity groups I've made lots of friends that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:59 AM

I think making friends IRL is generally a better option. I've made friends by joining facebook groups though, so maybe reddit just isn't great.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:28 PM
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It's definitely a red flag. It should really make people question if you have the social skills and maturity to handle a relationship. If you can't even maintain any friendships, how are you supposed to maintain a relationship? Even the most introverted people tend to have a few friends. BTW, a family member can be a friend ( brother, sister, etc, I think that's fine ). I wouldn't get too worried about a very introverted person having 1 friend or 2 friends or saying "my mom is friend", that's OK…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 07:51 PM
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You're either really bad at reading comprehension or a gaslighting liar. My comment was very clear already but I will repeat it to make sure you understand. Bad women express their evil in other ways besides violence, while bad men tend to express evil with violence. That doesn't overall that men or women are less or more evil. It just means each gender expresses evil in different ways. In general, the vast majority of men and women are not evil / criminal and try to do right in most situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 07:48 PM

This is complete horseshit. CEE records show it was 8-11 million raped by the Soviet. Also, your Soviet whataboutism is showing. The Nazis were obviously also evil, but that doesn't mean the Soviets were good. Would you then say that german culture is 5x as barbaric as russian culture Totally made up numbers, again, to try and pretend that Soviets were great compared to the Nazis. Also, Russian culture even today celebrates rape as a way to demonstrate power over other people. Most male Russian …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 07:41 PM
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Exactly, rape laws predate the time when women had significant political power ( such as voting rights ). If most men were rapists, they would have written laws that ensured rape was not a crime. Of course there are a few insane places and cultures ( like some areas with fundamentalist Islam ) that protect or allow rape, but they are by far the minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 07:37 PM
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That's because men are more aggressive so when men go bad, they tend to be violent. Bad women commit other kinds of crimes or spread other kinds of evil that don't tend to involve overt violence. Yet still the percentage of men who are violent criminals is extremely small compared to the totally population, which supports my point that most men aren't bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 07:31 PM

I'm relatively biased towards traditional relationship roles though my own marriage probably couldn't be called traditional. I think it's completely dishonest and shows a totally ignorance of how traditional gender roles work to claim that they disadvantage women or that there is a "power imbalance". In reality, it's about trading certain things for others based on the life that a couple wants to live. I think part of the failure to conceive how traditional roles benefit women is this delusion t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 07:08 PM
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I get that you entire victimhood narrative relies on lying about men and hating them, but you're sounding really pathetic and unhinged right now. Men are no more or less moral than women, and bad cultures ( like Russian ) can turn normal people into bad people. That doesn't mean the average man or woman is a bad person. Most men are simply not rapists by default and the evidence backing me up is overwhelming.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 02:14 PM
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Majority of my friends are women and I think I've always had more women friends ( and been closer to them than guy friends ) for most of my life. This is why so much of the attempts by bitter doomers and black pillers on this sub to dehumanize women or pretend women have everything easy for them while only men are treated unfairly just don't resonate and sound delusional and ridiculous to me. Also, as other people have said being in the "friend zone" is not the same as being actual friends. Frie…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 02:03 PM
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Yep, you're a pretty creepy and disgusting person.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 01:49 PM
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It doesn't happen very often. 99.9% of men never rape anyone in their whole lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 01:48 PM
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It's what happens when your culture is trash and has no moral framework. It's not men's normal behavior to abandon their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 01:47 PM
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Both ideas are wrong. Both the war bride theory and the "men are natural rapists" theory. The reason the red army was so savage was because Russian culture is totally barbaric, incentivizes evil and punishes men for good / moral actions. Stalin also encouraged his men to rape. Whether men are rapists or not is down to culture, personal values and moral courage ( if they are in a society that encourages / rewards rape like Russia / Soviet Union ). Men are not born with an "instinct to rape" or an…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:40 PM

The reason for the declining birthrate is out if control mega corporations. Actually it's a combination of cost of living and culture / religion. More religious couples have more children, and if the cost of living situation is better, everyone will have more children than they would would if it's worse. It's nothing to do with corporations. Look at Israel.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:35 PM

Your entire rambling nonsense is predicated on the idea that "beta males" and "alpha males" are actually a real thing, not just some cringe insult used by various pillers to attack people who's arguments they have no answer to. There is no such thing as "alpha / beta". The real world is not omegaverse or a disproven, 90's theory about wolf packs.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:34 PM
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Only people like you who are so useless, bitter, and entitled nobody wants to be around you. A vast majority of people do not die alone, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:30 PM
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You're just mad because you want the taxpayer funded handouts that she's begging for to go to you instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:29 PM
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But it is entirely possible to do everything right and fail. So what? If you do everything wrong, then you're guaranteed to fail. At least you do it right to give yourself a higher chance of success. Dating isn't about guaranteed outcomes, it's about improving odds. Dating in particular is mostly luck. Again, doubling down on this lie. All the charisma, and charm in the universe wouldn't help you if the woman in question just wasn't in the mood to talk the day you saw her or was wearing "Do not …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:12 PM
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The goal of improving yourself to improve your success with women is realistic. Men do it all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:04 PM
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The doomer mentality is about how nothing is in your control so the people who win didn't earn it and the people who lose didn't do anything wrong, they are just "poor victims". Luck is not a big factor in dating. Luck partially controls who you meet, but you mostly control how many people you meet and how those people will percieve you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:45 PM
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Those changes are what important. Everyone views actions differently. Viewing actions differently is irrelavent. There are some things that are objectively evil even if everyone pretends they are good, and visa versa. For example, cannibals who think killing and eating people isn't bad. It's not "viewing actions differently", the cannibals are just wrong. Morally good or bad actions can lead to positive consequences. Yes, I never disputed that. For example, I served in the US Army for 8 years. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:38 PM
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Wow, you're really like a 12 year old having a tantrum. It's totally pathetic. Instant gratification has always been a rare thing, most things take work and effort to accomplish and acquire.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:30 PM
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"Just treat women like humans" "Just take a (regular) shower" "Just talk to women" Things I guarantee that most of the doomer red pillers and black pillers are incapable of. It assumes you are a subhuman idiot. Then most of the doomer red pill and black pill men on this sub would be that. "Improve yourself" in this post and then saying that's not common advice giving to men. Most of the "advice" I see from doomer red pillers and black pillers for men from the west and on this sub is "nothing you…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:05 PM
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Yes, because you're a victim and everyone is out to get you. It's not because doomer red pillers and black pillers are saying moronic things that have no connection to reality. I still agree with red pill circa 2015-2020. It's just that it's now infested with trash doomers who lie and pretend that nothing men do matter and that men are perpetual victims. That's why I'm not red pill anymore. Also, "hurr derp but your weren't really red pill hurr derp" is such a lame self-delusion. You can't face …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:00 PM
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I'm not even sure what to say. So self unaware. No I'm not. You're claims are just nonsense that don't connect with my own real world experience. Also, it seems like you didn't read what I said, because I clearly never said that guys who have trouble dating are losers. Most guys who are having trouble dating aren't even losers. Right, never said they were. It assumes that they aren't even a normal human being or assumes that they hate women. See, I've just never heard anyone give this kind of da…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 11:07 AM
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The delusions are all yours, you are completely disconnected from reality. Most likely you're just another doomer NEET that has no idea how real people interact.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 10:44 AM
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Again, doubling down on the "Just World Fallacy" deflection / excuse to deny reality. 🤡 You don't describe the experience of most people. Like attracts like. I've seen it constantly throughout my life. Doesn't mean there are no exceptions but as a general rule toxic people attract toxic people. It has nothing to do with "justice" or "fairness", it's just basic human nature. The fact that you keep desperately babbling about "just world fallacy" to deny reality means you either have zero life expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:58 AM
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Another 🤡 trying to deny common sense, basic reality by crying "JUST WORLD FALLACY HURR DERP" in a situation where it obviously doesn't apply. The proportion of women that represent that outlier is very statistically relevant. You pretending it is doesn't make it so. How 0.001% of the population acts is completely irrelevant to the experience of most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:48 AM
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If PPD is any indication, the men who are failing at dating fail because: they despise women and see them as subhuman they see dating like a business transaction and try to extract the most value while providing the least in return they are braindead doomers who refuse to do anything to make their lives better because they believe in genetic determinism and that they are perpetually victims they believe or spread the lie that social skills / game / charisma don't matter and make zero effort to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:40 AM
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A tiny minority that informs the tendency of the entire gender. No it doesn't. It's statistically irrelevant. suggests an aspect of female psychology that skews in favor of an attraction to dark triad traits It suggests that there are dark triad women who idolize and worship dark triad men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:31 AM
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I don't have one. I've never meet a perfectly nice girl who decided to hookup with a scumbag. I've met many scumbag girls who hooked up with scumbag guys, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:29 AM
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Not every goal is realistic, I agree. But it doesn't mean that no improvement is possible. The more I see the delusional babbling of doomers on PPD, the more I realize most of their problems are self inflicted.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:26 AM
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Wallow in the misery you create for yourself, just don't try to pretend it's anyone's fault but your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:24 AM
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That's a you problem then. You feel like you're entitled to things you didn't work for and you throw a tantrum if you don't get it. Life isn't supposed to be easy all the time. To make your life decent it requires you to put in some effort. If you refuse to, it's only your fault if you don't get what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:23 AM
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Nobody thinks everyone is a blank slate. Nobody in this sub and nobody IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:16 AM
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"research" 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡 Yes, because your study is supposedly more accurate than what I have seen with my own to eyes. You pathological liars are just so desperate to gaslight everyone into thinking personality doesn't matter it's so pathetic. All because you don't want to admit your failures in dating might be your own bad personality, not "oppression by the system".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:14 AM
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Explain how it's unfair. What special privileges and handouts do you men should be entitled on the basis of gender alone that they don't get?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:11 AM
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No I'm not. The people gaslighting and lying are the ones who keep going around telling men everything is unfair and nothing they do matters, that they are constant victims and their life is completely determined by genetics and outside forces they can't control.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 06:47 PM
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So you believe humanity as a whole has the same morals? Nope, never said that. But there is an objective basis to morals. There are things that are universally wrong, and universally right. There are things that change between societies and people, and are up for debate, but there is a moral foundation that is objective. Certain things are always bad for everyone. You are assuming the evil guy is punished by not getting laid. No, never said that. He is often punished, but not always punished. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 06:44 PM
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men are often taught that personality substitutes for looks, which is false in most cases as stated by op. It's not, OP is lying. Personality is more important than looks and always has been. It's only people who have never been in successful relationships that delusionally think looks matter most. Also, even looks are subject to change by self improvement effort, such as weight loss, improving style / grooming and even plastic surgury. Looks determinism is a doomer lie that comes from people wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 06:36 PM
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If I just looked at your title I would agree with it on it's face, because I would say that many times consent is implied or understood in sex, and the people who don't get that are autistic weirdos who have never had real, functioning relationships. That said, your explaination below is long-winded and incoherent, and I don't really understand what your main arguments are supposed to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 06:18 PM
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Really? Are you this dense, low-IQ or just dishonest? They are changed by people's effort and work. For example: looks - losing weight, getting fit, improving grooming / style, plastic surgery social ability - practice, getting tips from more social people, interacting with more people, learn some red pill principles for game knowledge level - school, getting a degree, self study new things income - look for better job, train for better job, start a business, work towards a promotion living situ…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 06:01 PM
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I don't remember you specifically saying anything that made me think of it (maybe I just didn't realize it was you, IDK, I don't remember usernames so much). I just keep seeing people say "that just world fallacy" over and over all over this sub in lots of different conversation and I saw it a couple times recently so I decided to post something.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:56 PM
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Most don't desire a large group of friends, they just want one person to understand them and love them. The problem is, it's basically impossible to find that one person without interacting with lots of people. "One true love" only shows up out of the blue in fantasy stories. In a sea of 8 billion people, that doesn't seem like much of an ask. The main issue is they interact with nobody, so it's a big ask. It's not out of 8 billion it's actually out of the people they've interacted with long eno…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:52 PM
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You just made up 4 strawman conversations to prove your argument. Ain't no debate to be had with the men in your head. No, I just used examples of the kinds of conversations I've seen in this sub. constant assumption that anyone who is romantically unsuccesful with women must be a smelly basement dwelling neckbeard with no social skills. It doesn't go both ways. The other assumption is also wrong, but it's not the opposite of the situation I'm talking about. A red piller would argue that you can…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:43 PM
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A person can arrive at a correct conclusion through a logical fallacy. Take bandwagon fallacy for example, which is basically "I believe this thing because lots of other people do." While it is true that a lot of people can be wrong about something, a lot of people can also be right about something. So pointing out the flaw in the person's logic has not actually proven or disproven anything. Very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:41 PM
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You're asserting that I believe individual effort doesn't matter AT ALL as an absolute, which is a ridiculous concept to live by. You assert that individual effort doesn't matter enough to ever be an option for improving someone's situation. Stop trying to apply absolutes to me. You apply them to yourself by your own philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:40 PM
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False, your entire argument is predicated on the fact that individual effort / attitudes / behavior / actions don't matter and that everyone is just "a victim of the larger system".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:18 PM
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I have never seen anyone on this sub say JWF in this case. I have in this sub, but it was a while back and I didn't save the comment. This is JWF. No it's not. Morals are not relative, and them being relative would make JWF apply even less. Making the assumption that a struggling guy is awful to women is absolutely JWF. Not making that assumption, I'm talking about what you'd say to a guy who is aweful to women. Also that assumption isn't JWF. It sounds like you're exactly one of the people who …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:13 PM
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I agree, but I don't think most women resent their husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:09 PM
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Their looks. Their social ability / charisma / game. Their skills in a wide variety of areas. Their knowledge level. Their income. Their living situation. Where they live. Their friends. Their spending habits. The list is long.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:08 PM
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I wouldn't because condoments aren't a binary choice. But it's nothing to do with what I just said.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:07 PM

I think the issue here is that you're judging how good the dating market is for women based on whether is provides women with the things that men typically want when dating. If you look at it from the perspective of what most women want out of dating, it's not as "sunshine and roses" as it seems. That said, I do think overall dating is a bit easier for women than men, but the gap isn't as large as lots of people on this sub claim. Also, it's super culture, country, and region specific. One area …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:05 PM
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So basically you're selling the lie that effort never pays off and everything is always unfair. It's not "forbidden information", it's just a blatent lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 04:11 PM
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I mean kind of. If my wife said I love you even though you're ugly I think I'd still be fine with that, as long as she loves me anyways. I'd rather she not make me feel like I was good looking if I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 04:09 PM
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That the real just world fallacy basically never applies in arguments on this sub and people are just misusing it as an excuse to deflect from facing reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 04:06 PM
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They think accusing people of a fallacy means Winning By Default, and that it disqualifies the entire debate. 100%, it's like they think just throwing out some random "fallacy" means they "win" and they are automatically right.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 04:04 PM
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That doesn't mean portrayals in media represent the typical behavior of most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 04:02 PM
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I'm sorry, saying someone's looks are a six doesn't mean no sexual attraction. Most people are OK to sleep with a 6/10 in their mind, men and women. Women are totally happy to sleep with somewhat ugly men if there's something else they like about them. There is such a thing as "ugly hot", that is, guys with objectively ugly appearance but who project strength, confidence, charisma, etc. There are lots of women into that. A lot of the "Chads" that people on this sub complain about would be consid…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:47 PM
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Because TV and magazines are real life, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:44 PM
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No they don't. Most women are opposed to casual sex and don't do it. Women don't like sleeping with men they know nothing about and have no interest in for a long-term partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:43 PM
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Most women are sexually attracted to their husbands / boyfriends, at least initially. If he lets himself go later in the relationship that can change. But women almost never date men they aren't sexually attracted to unless there's some kind of abnormal situation like a gold-digger with a filthy rich old man ( Hugh Heifner for example ).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:43 PM
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Expectations are resentments in training. I love this statement. I'm going to save this to quote later. Very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:19 PM
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So people like you and black pillers on here promote the opposite extreme, where everything is pre-determined and nothing people do will make any significant difference. The reality is in between, some things can be changed and some are pre-set by genetics. The things that can be changed, for most people, are enough to make a substantial difference in their life also if they make the changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:14 PM
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I hear a lot of women here say that they hate when men try to "escalate things" Depends on the context and the person. Don't treat women like they are all the same and think the same. You need to learn to read the context and social cues in your interactions to understand how she will take it if you escalate. This is totally a social skill, BTW.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:13 PM
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They need to talk to people more in general. Most romantically unsuccessful men have two primary problems: appearance: fat, poor hygiene, bad style social skills: cringy, weird, boring, clueless Problem #2 is generally solved by having many more social interactions with both men and women to get comfortable with talking and to develop an interesting / attractive personality that people like / want to be around. I used to be a happy-go-lucky kid who at one point in life had more female friends th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:05 PM
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What does this have to do with videogames and men having fun? Also, I can't speak for other people but women definitely like me better and respond more positively when I smile.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:51 PM

I see it everywhere but it's even more common in Eastern Europe where I live.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 08:42 PM
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It remains insignificant because of the small numbers and the fact that unlike in your example, lots of those guys are usually around average or a little over average in their skills and intelligence. That said, highly indebted, broke western governments, especially the United States, are terrified of losing taxpayers to other countries and will do anything to lock American behind their borders just like the Soviet Union. Right now, the effort is focused on spreading the twin lies of "outside wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 06:19 PM
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It's not just about sample size, it's that how women look at pictures respresenting the action of random male strangers, has nothing to with how they feel about the men they are in relationships with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 02:23 PM
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It has has never happened universally, only in pockets to particular countries / kingdoms / empires. There has never been a global societal collapse. Also, this "you aren't a doomer clown just because life is good for you" excuse exposes the fact that OP is right, the reason you are a doomer clown is not because it's reflective of reality, but because you're mad your personal life isn't turning out how you want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:26 AM
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Some women. Not most women. Also, what's with the weird shaming attempt?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:23 AM
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What does how a few women rate random pictures have anything to do with your totally ridiculous claim that women hate when men have fun?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:21 AM
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100%.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:29 AM
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I have a girlfriend that used to smash my computer when I didn't do the chores, despite the fact she never did any herself. Some people are crazy and controlling. That said, I don't think women like her are the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:24 AM
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Oh I see, that's my bad then. I misread your intention and I apologize.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:20 AM
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Edit: my bad, comment removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:17 AM
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WTF is wrong with you. This isn't true even in the slightest.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:16 AM
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I never dated or slept with a woman that hated or disliked games. Also, more psychotic "women are all the same" thinking going on here. Lots of women like and play games. Lots of women who don't play are not bothered at all by their boyfriend / husband playing. There's literally zero basis for your delusion that "women dislike games".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:15 AM
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You commented about the OP's comment, then I responded to you, and now you're gaslighting trying to pretend your original comment wasn't in opposition to OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 10:29 PM
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No I'm not. I'm going back to the OP's main point, which you oppose. I.e., you are one of the The West Has Fallen Billions Must Die people the OP is talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 10:25 PM
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He's not. He's right that society isn't collapsing. It doesn't mean everything is sunshine and roses in the west, and some problems also getting worse. Nevertheless, when someone fails so spectacularly as doomer red pillers and black pillers on this sub, it's clear that the problem is them. Because there are lots of guys doing OK, maybe not amazing, but OK with the situation in the west, and the main difference between them and the doomers is instead of throwing tantrums in a corner they decided…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 10:23 PM
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Why would I want to be friends with somebody who has bad social skills? Nobody asked you to be. There is a reason why passport bros(which mainly consist of ugly old white men) go to those countries when they cant get laid in the US or find a relationship. Lots of them fail due to terrible social skills. The ones with decent social skills do OK. Your literally doing the thing I was just talking about. No I'm not, but I'm understanding your problem better. You don't get that social skills are abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 10:19 PM
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You want to burn down modern, western civilization, democracy and free markets globally to replace it with some kind of totalitarian nightmare, copied directly from sh*tholes like Russia, Iran or Haiti, just because you feel like America is unfair to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 10:02 PM
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Sexual attraction is largely connected to personality, which is just another way of saying "how he acts and what he says". The claim that what a man says and does is less important than looks is absolutely moronic to the point of being unhinged. It's almost like you're trying to intentionally unlearn common sense which everyone has known for all of human history just to protect a victim complex and pretend that nothing you do which might hurt your chances at a relationship is your fault, and tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 09:58 PM
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Nothing the OP says indicates that the OP thinks that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 08:15 PM
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Didn't vote for Biden What does this have to do with anything? What does this have to do with me??? That's what I'm trying to ask you. Why do you want to trash the whole world because you're mad at your own country?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 08:12 PM
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What kind of groups are you looking for?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 08:11 PM
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As expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 08:07 PM
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How are they different then? Because most PUAs tend to talk about how to navigate social situations. Because they don't have good social skills themselves so it's like the blind leading the blind. why do men get friend zoned? Bad social skills. I am an attractive man who was friend-zoned constantly once I opened my mouth until I learning how to properly interact with people and women specifically. Because every time I ask people always say some dumb vague shit like "be sure of yourself" or "have…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 08:06 PM
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And the people OP's criticizing aren't saying what OP believes about them either. Actually they are, I read their tantrums on this sub every day. You can't expect other people to put a bunch of effort into something they don't believe is worth the effort in order for them to "prove" it wasn't worth the effort. Their toxic mentality where they make excuses for not trying isn't the fault of society or other people. It's their problem and their problem only. Humans have the ability to consider weth…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 08:00 PM
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Do you think they would rebound with at least a similar caliber woman Easily, because 80% of the divorces in my country are initiated by men. Usually it's to get with younger and hotter women after their wife got old or gained weight. I say that because they more or less got lucky with the one I've watched ugly short Georgian guys walk around Tbilisi and collect numbers from attractive women like they are some celebrity in America. Charisma is king. Meanwhile the guy with these other “attributes…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 07:57 PM
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The problem is that you think masculinity is on the outside. Ukrainian (and Eastern European men) are in general far more masculine than your average westerner regardless of how they look on the outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 07:51 PM
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Ahh, very much true, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 07:49 PM
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Most of the negative social trends are 50+ years old. Absolutely false. Show me qualify of life indicators that indicate things getting worse over 50 years. For example, life expectancy, health outcomes, food security, literacy rates, personal and economic freedom, etc. I'll wait. And many of them apply across the industrialized world Again, just flat out wrong. You're just making it up. Socially it absolutely is not better off than it was 50 years ago. Yes, my country and my region (Eastern Eur…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 07:46 PM
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If you don’t have other attributes it doesn’t matter. Kind of. Other attributes of course help, it's of course better to have good looks, too. But I know many ugly short dudes who have big friend groups, attractive wives / girlfriends because they have charisma and confidence. Looks just don't matter that much, nothing like lots of people on this sub, who rarely have real life interactions with women, think.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:42 PM
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They never marketed themselves, I actively searched for things myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:40 PM
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PUA training isn't the same has having actual social skills and charisma. Most of the PUA stuff is cringe as hell. Anyways, I get that lying to yourself about this is a way to keep from admitting that your own choices are the problem all along, not "genetic luck". But back in the real world, social skills are king. I used to be very shy, socially awkward, and especially bad with women. Despite the fact I was quite good looking when I was in my late teens / early 20's that didn't help at all. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:34 PM
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Ukrainian men are more masculine than western men. Not in appearance necessarily, but in confidence, mindset and behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:19 PM
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These men are never single long. Claim totally unsupported by evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:18 PM
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Red pillers are wrong about a lot of things but it doesn't keep them from endlessly repeating the nonsense they believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:17 PM
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It's called having social skills / game / charisma, which is something I developed with practice over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:12 PM
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Hmm the groups I joined still exist and are still active despite a break during COVID.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 05:05 PM
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We would not have had austerity were it not for the 2008 crash as it could not otherwise be justified. Again, bad policy made by your country. Nothing to do with 2008 crash. Just used it as an excuse for bad policy. You are are an ex-Soviet republic - you’re more Russian than you are European Georgian culture predates the existence of Russia by at least 1500 years. We're not Russians or anything like them. You're just showing how braindead ignorant you are about the world, again, like an America…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 05:01 PM
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2008 crash was used as a pretext to introduce austerity, which has resulted in wage stagnation and flatlining growth - add in inflation, and living standards are going backwards Proving my point that it's not actually caused by the 2008 crash but your country's bad policy since. you aren’t European My country's in Europe whether you like it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 04:32 PM
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So you disagree that people most benefiting from a thing will be the most likely to defend a thing? That's not what the OP is saying, that's just an excuse you're making to deflect from OP's point. This is really just about people like you constantly playing the victim and crying about how life is so unfair while living in one of the richest countries on Earth. I don't even live in your country so I don't benefit from whatever you think certain people are benefitting from but even I can see you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 04:28 PM
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you think women are humans hurr derp you white knight hurr derp This is why nobody should take you seriously when you complain that "dating is unfair", because people like you bring it on yourselves by being degenerate trash. If you despise women so much don't be surprised that women don't like you. This basic common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 04:24 PM
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is rooted in the insecurity of bottom tier men. No it's not. Nobody wants to live in an unsafe country caused by letting the most violent demographic of people from dangerous countries into your borders. I'm nowhere near the bottom of the economic ladder and I'm not worried job competition, but I still don't want to invite in people that are a safety risk. That's not "beta" behavior. There's no benefit for both me or my country to letting those people in which outweighs the risk they create. I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 04:15 PM
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Generally I don't feel anything about immigrants based on gender, unless they come from specific countries with a reputation for having dangerous young men involved in terrorist or criminal activities, such as Russia, Middle East, Central / Northern Africa, etc. That said, I'm not a fan of women immigrating from those countries either. Most of the negative rhetoric I see is directed at male refugees/immigrants, often labeling them as “invaders” or “military-age men.” That's pretty reasonable, co…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 04:11 PM
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There's just no evidence for your claim. It's a counterfactual that has not been shown to be true in any other situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:38 PM
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The trends show the west in 2020 is worst off then the west in 1970? I don't think so. Most of the negative trends are very short term (last two decades or shorter) and apply only to the United States or the anglo-west. Overall, it's completely reasonable to state that the world is continuously improving, even if they are pockets of decline like America. Even "horrible" America is still better off then it was 50 years ago and still one of the richest countries on Earth. Yet, is almost always Ame…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:33 PM
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I think that a lot of people's coping mechanism is telling themselves that they are in control of everything so when you tell them that they aren't they feel attacked as people and are impossible to argue with. OP isn't saying that at all. This is you mischaracterizing his point in order to pretend that the issue is about control. Nobody says everyone can control everything. It's about people who don't improve the things they can control, then whine that it's everyone else's fault things are bad…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:31 PM
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Governments don't make a civilization. Lots of countries around today that are more than 1000 years old. Stop pretending America is the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:28 PM
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"America has problems so the whole world is ruined and should be destroyed" You ^
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:25 PM
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Eh? Who thinks that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:23 PM
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Right, but taking them seriously would involve punishing people who earned their own success. You don't want a society that rewards non-contributing whiners.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:23 PM
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It makes you wrong if the reason you think the world is a certain way isn't based on facts, but rather your rage against the world for "not doing you fairly".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:20 PM
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Then you wonder why all the women you interact with treat you like garbage...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:16 PM
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lol no they dont 99% of men would not turn down sex for weed or whatever Don't speak for other men you know nothing about. Most men are smart enough to not mess with crazy even if you aren't. How are these women destroying his life? Your lack of life experience means you have a lack of imagination about how having sex with a crazy women can turn out badly. There are so many ways. But I guess you're stupid so you'll learn on your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:15 PM
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I'm starting to see why y'all can't get laid Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:12 PM
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True, but that's not the issue. It doesn't matter what a person thinks about themselves, it matters how other people perceive them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:11 PM
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No it's not. "Everyone's to blame but me" is not a common sense observation. It's an excuse that losers tell themselves. Nobody says that everything perfect, but pretending you have no options in one of the richest countries on Earth is definitely a self delusion and a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:09 PM
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It doesn't have anything to do with it. Incomes have gone up since 2008 in much of Europe including my country (and by a lot). It's just the result of bad policy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:06 PM
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100%.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:04 PM
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No I have social skills, the thing that everyone on this sub lies and says don't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:03 PM
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Typical excuse from people who don't try.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:03 PM
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So very similar. Anglo-west. But you do seem very Americanized even for a Brit. Most Brits don't center their world around American cultural obsessions and politics like you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:03 PM
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I have everything that you have in terms of ammenities, probably more, actually, and cheaper than what you pay for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:01 PM
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Actually it worked out great once the corrupt Russian-backed trash controlling our government was kicked out in a revolution in 2003. Russian mentality just isn't compatable with modern civilization and wherever they held or hold power, they turn back to clock to the middle ages. Wherever their influence is expelled, the economic situation improves. Like you, Russians like to rant about the evils of "neo-liberalism" while turning everywhere they control into Somalia. In fact, we have our own min…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 10:19 AM
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Dude, you are talking some crazy ass shit about 'alphas' and other unhinged teenage theories. No, I'm not. I'm just talking about how actual marriages work for most people and the lies that people on this sub like you tell about how marriage works based on your lack of actual relationship experience or to pretend you are "alpha" / put on some kind of other front. Fact is - majority of us simply have marriage as business deal which working well for both men and women. No, that's just how emotiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 10:11 AM
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Literally yes. Also, lots of it was in barely functional shape when the Soviet Union fell so a few years of no maintanence was enough for lots of it to fail. They are constantly fixing and modernizing decaying Soviet infrastructure even today.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 10:06 AM
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Yet you act like it because you act like the whole world revolves around the American bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 10:02 AM
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It's not a rant. I can't believe you're so bad at reading emotions that you really think it was. I'm sure you're just gaslighting and lying because you don't have any actual arguments against what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 09:32 AM
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Last time I did this I just joined a hiking / travel group, met a bunch of people and built a new social circle from that. There were all ages people but I just focused on making friends with people in their 20's. It was mix gender about 50/50. I had no mutuals, I made friends from scratch by talking to people. Within a few months I was already hooking up with some of the girls and by 9 months I started dating the girl who is my wife now. I think you just joined the wrong hobby groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 09:25 AM
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The last time I became single and looked for new social group, it took a few months from when I started looking to before I slept with the first girl connected to that group. I slept with three girls total before after 9 months I started dating my now wife. I used facebook to join hiking and traveling groups which led me to connect up with an extended social group of a bunch of European and American young people (in their 20's) doing various kinds of volunteering and charity work in my country.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 09:22 AM
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No I'm not. You're just tone policing like a desperate loser because you don't like what I said but you know it's true and have no actual arguments against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 09:13 AM
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The need to pretend to be a victim because you perceive life in America as being way worse than it really is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 09:01 AM
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You didn't that I see, if it's in another comment just link me to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 09:00 AM
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Then stop talking like one and pretending like America domestic politics apply to the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 09:00 AM
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It's embassing how ignorant you are about the world and I am embarrassed for you. I live in Georgia, in Eastern Europe. In the 1990's this country was controlled by criminal gangs and the government was barely functional. The situation was similar for lots of countries shortly after the fall of the Soviet Union.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 08:58 AM
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I'm 39, and I'm speaking from experience. Sorry the truth makes you mad, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 08:55 AM
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Most of my guy friends are married and while some don't explicitly say it, they all act like their wife is their best friend without exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 08:54 AM
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I think this is actually a case of men lying about how they really feel to present a fake "alpha / masculine" image and being inexperienced at relationships. Lots of especially red pill / black pill men are convinced by the lie that their wife / girlfriend will abandon them the second they open up to her and show their vulnerablilities. A lot of those people also believe that "women are boring" and can't be as interesting as male friends. Finally, a lot of those people think that they need to "p…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:57 PM
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It's mostly the wealthiest and most privileged people that are the biggest doomers and throwing the biggest fits about how they are victims. Just like the spoiled, drug addicted heir to a billionaire's fortune Americans are always finding excuses to be unhappy and destroy their own country / society (while trying to drag the rest of us down with them). From 1990-2024 life has gotten so much better for a majority of people on Earth it's like the biggest miracle in human history. Yet we have to co…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:35 PM
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If you had an average European secondary schooler's understanding of history you'd know that right now is literally the best time in history for nearly all of humanity. Nobody is saying that things are perfect but I invite you to go back to 1950 where most cancers were untreatable and most men died at 60, and that was in the most developed places, like America. You have to really be a degenerate low-IQ clown to think that life is worse now than it's been for most people in all human history. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:29 PM
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It's funny that you use the worlds "western liberal democracy" then immediately start babbling some niche America-brain politics from 10 years ago as if it somehow repesents the fall of the entire west. This is why your perspective on life is so warped, and why you constantly play the victim and think everyone is oppressing you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:23 PM
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What do you think society promised you and please tell us specifically who, representing "society" at large, promised you those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:20 PM
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America-brain victimhood mentality is strong with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:19 PM
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You sound like a 1970's hippie druggie or a 2000's gender studies student. Same rhetoric repackaged for the 2020's, same victimhood mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:17 PM
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They aren't the same. Materialistic means a desire to acquire / collect / buy expensive things and putting material things above other priorities. For example, consumerism and a heavy focus on money. It's possible to really like money and materal things, but not necessarily be a selfish or hedonistic person. Selfishness and materialism can overlap, but they don't have too. Hedonism is an entirely different thing, it's about seeking immediate pleasure over meaning, purpose, or long term goals. Ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:32 PM
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majority of women are between 3-5/10 I guess if you count all ages, sure. If it's only 20-40 ( which would be demographic for most people on this sub I think, and most single people ) then it's higher than that. In US it's even worse. I agree, because most women (and men) are significantly overweight or obese. American women also don't have great facial features in general. However, you'd be surprised how many attractive women are out there if you could wave a magic wand and make them all normal…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:22 AM
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Yes. Asian society tends to be very collectivist. It's not a moral judgement, it's just that Asians ( especially Koreans and Japanese ) have it drilled into them from a young age to put everyone first before themselves ( family, friends, neighbors, society, etc ). As a result, they don't have the self-centered individualist mentality that westerners have.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 09:01 PM
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Mmm, career opportunities for women aren't that limited compared to men. once opportunities will show up, you will slide downwards It depends on how religious people are, and if the culture changes or not, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:56 PM
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Certainly you're correct that mentality, which is connected to culture and religion, is really important. That said, I've personally experienced people with the mentally for having kids being held back by material issues in places like here in Georgia where the economic situation isn't great. True even in Gruziya. Those Orthodox for real, did go for a 3rd or 4th child when the Patriarch himself announced he'll baptize them. While the liberals in Tbilisi shrugged at the offer. LOL, true. Orthodox…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:52 PM
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They are actually pretty rare. Most men are not morally deficient in any serious way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:48 PM
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You're describing a morally deficient person I am. Bad boy doesn't mean evil I am actually taking about evil men. Not guys who just have a confident or intimidating aura, or are very assertive and don't let other people mess with them. I'm talking about men who are actually bad people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:46 PM
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It's just not being able to tell between key traits. Confidence vs Arrogance and stuff like that. I agree, and I think this part of red pill theory is correct. I think when women are very young (teens) they tend to confuse dark triad traits for masculine traits. But as they get older, as long as they have good masculine role models ( dad, brothers, etc ) they usually figure it out by early 20's and don't find bad men attractive anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:44 PM
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In some cases, but in other cases it's "just in time". The truth is, the kind of guy who is really evil but is able to sustain a believable mask that they're a normal good person for a long period of time is extremely rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:41 PM
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I live in a mid / low income country and I'm not a hermit. Still, no drug dealer friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:40 PM
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It's pretty minor when they are 4 billion women on the planet and 160 million women in the US (where most serial killers come from). Statistically, it's so close to 0% of women it's irrelavent.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:38 PM
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I already have. It was not worth it. As soon as they get into your life they bring all kinds of problems. Even if it's just a few hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:35 PM
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They're wrong because real life proves them wrong. Constantly relying on "studies" are the epitome of angry autists who rage at the world don't go outside and interact with real people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:28 PM
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Nobody is forced into that binary choice in real life. I'd choose nobody over a hot crazy girl though. But then again, I'm an adult that has real life experience and things to lose, so I'm not going to screw up my life by messing with crazy the way some always online, desperate weirdo would. However, the more common actual scenario in life is, more hot, more crazy, less hot, less crazy. For me, after a woman meets some minimum bar of hot I will consider all her other traits. So for example my ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:26 PM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:24 PM
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Complete normal stable women go after the "bad boys" ALL THE TIME it's why there is so much smut about it. They just don't though. Real life experience simply proves this claim to be total BS. There is a subset of broken, themselves bad, or naïve / young women who go with bad men but otherwise most do not. women not going after glaringly obvious disasters is a complete lie You see 20 woman, 19 date decent guys, 1 goes out with a total scumbag degenerate thug. Then you remember the one who went w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:22 PM
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True. Here's how I'm defining it. For the purposes of my post, I generally define "bad boys" as: anti-social / immoral / criminal. Also, to clarify on anti-social I don't mean people who are awkward or introverted, I mean people who are bullies, verbally abusive, gaslighters, dark triad, cruel to strangers, etc. For immoral I mean people who are pathologically dishonest, cheaters, thieves, scammers, borderline behaviors that might not be enough for criminal charges but that most people would agr…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:15 PM
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I defined very specifically what I meant by "good" or "bad". It's not a vague label. For the purposes of my post, I generally define "bad boys" as: anti-social / immoral / criminal. Also, to clarify on anti-social I don't mean people who are awkward or introverted, I mean people who are bullies, verbally abusive, gaslighters, dark triad, cruel to strangers, etc. For immoral I mean people who are pathologically dishonest, cheaters, thieves, scammers, borderline behaviors that might not be enough …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:15 PM
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I'm not. I'm talking about actually bad people. Nothing wrong with having great charisma and strong game.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:14 PM
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I mean relationship attraction. Women select men based on instinct / vibe and when women stop being children and don't have psychological issues, the vibe of bad men is not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:13 PM
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They like men that are nice to them but dominant and intimidating to other men. Sure, many women feel this way, but a dominant / intimidating man doesn't have to be a bad person. You can be dominant and intimidating but still be a decent human being that's trustworthy, honest, kind, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:12 PM
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Attractive men can be serial killers all they want, they'll still get 100 times the attention that the average guy gets. Serial killers attract women as crazy as they are and it's tiny minority of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:10 PM
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People do impulsive things that are bad for their long term wellbeing all the time. But people who do those things for long periods of time to the point they destroy their lives over them in the long term are pretty rare and usually have other psychological issues. Most women when they are really young has a short phase where bad boys are attractive. Most grow out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:09 PM
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Your mistake is in treating women as rational people with self-respect. Your mistake is not treating them that way. That's why you babble delusional nonsense that doesn't have any connection to the real world. If you can't conceptualize women as being humans of course everything you say about them is going to be completely unhinged and moronic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:06 PM
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Nope, that's literally not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about guys who are anti-social / immoral / criminal. You don't have to be a shitty person to be confident and assertive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:04 PM
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If you as a man want to enjoy women when they are young and attractive, the dark triad bad boys path is the way to go. I don't think so. Most women should be grown up by their early late teen's, early 20's. When I was single I dated / got together with lots of 20 year old's but ( terrible humble brag here ) I was very kind them and everyone I knew. I don't have a bad boy look ( I have a feminine look, actually ), I'm not aggressive or mean, I wasn't an asshole and I bent over backwards to help m…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:21 PM
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Generally women would want a bad boy who is good to only them. No, not really. Most women use social proof to determine if a man is worth dating or not, if he treats everyone else like trash he's not going to have the social proof to make a woman risk dating him. A person who is a "bad boy" is someone who will stand up for themselves and those they care about. This is the opposite of a bad man, though. This sounds like a good man.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:15 PM
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I've taken some drugs in my time but I don't hang around drug dealers, that's weird. It's one thing to be an occasional customer, it's another thing to be their friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:14 PM
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Most men don't have so little self respect. Also, a women that destroys your life is worse than no woman at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:13 PM
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With bottom-tier women who are as messed up as them or worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:13 PM
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True, but that only lasts for so long. People can't put up a mask forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:12 PM
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Yep, I think so. It usually ends in the late teens but for women who don't mature properly or have other issues then it can go on forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:11 PM
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Yep. Very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:11 PM
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being bad doesn't disqualify a man as much as being ugly and poor It's a matter of degrees. Like how bad, how ugly, or how poor, right? Homeless vs someone who's an asshole to strangers. Probably asshole will do better than homeless. But lower middle class, making bills OK but that's it vs. pathological liar who has violent outbursts, lower middle class probably has a leg up in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:09 PM
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I actually put a clear definition in my post but I understand if not everyone wants to read my wall of text. To clarify, here's what I mean by "bad boy" For the purposes of my post, I generally define "bad boys" as: anti-social / immoral / criminal. Also, to clarify on anti-social I don't mean people who are awkward or introverted, I mean people who are bullies, verbally abusive, gaslighters, dark triad, cruel to strangers, etc. For immoral I mean people who are pathologically dishonest, cheater…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:03 PM
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For the purposes of my post, I generally define "bad boys" as: anti-social / immoral / criminal. Also, to clarify on anti-social I don't mean people who are awkward or introverted, I mean people who are bullies, verbally abusive, gaslighters, dark triad, cruel to strangers, etc. For immoral I mean people who are pathologically dishonest, cheaters, thieves, scammers, borderline behaviors that might not be enough for criminal charges but that most people would agree are disgusting and immoral. In …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:00 PM
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Many people nowadays are selfish, hedonistic, and materialistic. That's very dependent on culture. You're mainly just describing the anglo world and parts of western Europe. Most people in my country are relatively religious, not hedonistic or materialistic, (though a bit selfish I would admit). The main problem for potential parents are concerned about is cost of living and economic burden of kids. You can also look at developed Asian countries where people are not selfish or hedonistic (but ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:52 PM

My wife doesn't want that either, but I don't think that's the same as anal. I think cunnilingus (what a funny word) became more popular when women stopped having a bush because there was nothing to get in the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:52 PM
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He was as charismatic as Trump Even less, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:46 PM
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Nope, that's not true at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:45 PM
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I'm not American. I live in Georgia and I'm talking about the problems here that generally prevent women from having children that they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:35 PM
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The pro-natalist movement could never be successful no matter what they do, because it's American and therefore by default unreasonable, extremist and relies on using state violence to force people to conform instead of convincing them with good arguments and ameliorating their concerns. Their main goal is to take control of state power then use it to cram whatever they want down people's throats. This is typical of nearly all American political and social movements, and that's why they always f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:44 PM
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People simply don't want to have children. Most people I know want children. I want children. My wife really wants children. The main things holding people back from it are costs and complications that come with it, being unable to pay for good schooling, unable to pay for childcare, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:39 PM

Why do so many straight men seem to want anal sex with their women? As a straight man I've really had no desire to do this ever in my life. I think men wanting this is a sign of western porn-addicted brain or something. I don't think most men were into this 40 years ago. Will you be in an LTR with a woman if she says she abhors the idea? My wife is certainly not a fan of it, though she might be open to it if I really wanted it. But if she didn't I wouldn't care because I don't want it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:35 PM
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This entire post is about RMV, not casual sex. The title literally is: "No" man fails to get into a relationship because of his personality
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:58 PM
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He was so popular he never got more than 30% of the vote and needed two secret police forces to keep himself in power and his own people in line. Also, not sure about the women screaming thing, did you actually watch some old Nazi propaganda videos and stupidly believe they weren't staged?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:57 PM
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Uh, they admit it all the time. Seriously WTF are you talking about? I have female friends and sisters and there are plenty of times they told me they rejected a guy because he was not physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:18 PM
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Hanging here for a while has taught me that a LOT of people barely tolerate the opposite sex. Some of them hate all people. Yep, it's really crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:16 PM
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Anyway, what is the white pill? Could you explain? It's basically a rejection of the two main red piller doomer / black pill lies: your success in relationships is mostly or completely determined by your genetics and nothing you do will make a substantial difference everyone is evil and out to get you, especially women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:12 PM
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Shitty, manipulative people are great at getting sex once or twice. For a lot of them, for sure that's accurate. Like their response to people saying personality is important in relationships is things like "this guy I know guy slept with like 200 women even though he has a terrible personality". It's like they can't think beyond racking up their sexual "wins" to having an actual relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 01:48 PM
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Huh? I think most normal people admit that looks matter. It's not taboo to say that getting fit, grooming better, wearing better clothes, is going to improve your relationship prospects. Meanwhile, on this sub at least, there seem to be a bunch of gaslighting liar clowns who throw tantrums if anyone mentions the obvious, common sense fact that personality is one of the most important factors in dating and attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 01:24 PM
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Ironic how you "muh personality" guys are always using ad hominem attacks left and right. Ironic how you personality deniers always play victim and cry about "mean words". Your victimhood mentality is also directly connected to your gaslighting and lying about how personality doesn't matter. Because you know if you admit personality is important, you'd also have to admit that you are the reason why you fail at relationships, instead of blaming the "world" for "mistreating" you. And there's nothi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 01:17 PM
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I'm sure there are plenty. This isn't a discussion about earning power, it's about RMV, and the women who idolize serial killers have very low RMV, because they tend to be psychotic. They are not the kind of women that normal men, who don't want their lives completely ruined by someone crazy, would want to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 01:12 PM
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Because he's literally an extreme outlier in a culture that idolizes toxic celebrity. Yes, he has a small fan club with some bottom-tier crazies, but most women want nothing to do with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 01:09 PM
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Right, and people who work on their personality ( social skills / game / charisma / confidence / emotional intelligence ) are fine acknowledging that they attract their partners with personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 01:06 PM
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If he was horrible we wouldn't even have become friends never mind me asking him out afterwards. Yep. That's also what my entire life experience and nearly every women I know IRL and seen on this sub have said about men they are in LTRs with. But yet a certain group of red / black pillers keep doubling down on gaslighting and lying to men that personality means nothing and is irrelavent. It's super weird, because it's so common sense that personality is incredibly important in something that is …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 01:04 PM
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That's actually an awesome story, shows how incredibly important personality is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 01:02 PM
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"not everyone liked him so he wasnt really charismatic" is a crazy statement. Good thing I never said that. My point is that he wasn't as charismatic as people claim, because he wasn't as popular as people think.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 12:59 PM
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There's a whole rant on this sub ( by some red / black piller ) recently claiming that no man ever has lost out on getting a relationship because of a bad personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 12:58 PM
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Nothing you said undermines my argument. People who looksmaxx by going to the gym also want a feeling of accoplishment. Does that "prove" that looksmaxxing is useless? Whether people feel accomplished by self improvement or not has zero relation to if self improvement is beneficial. You clearly did not think though even the basic logical premises behind your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 12:56 PM
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Am I talking about all women here? Yes, you are. Your post is literally a black and white claim that zero men ever have been turned down due to personality and that zero women care about personality ever. Do you even think through your own claims?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 12:51 PM
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No, OP is wrong if there are any cases where what he said isn't true, as he made a blanket, all-or-nothing statement. Maybe personality is not as irrelevant as OP thinks. Then OP is flat out wrong. Maybe is not as important as you think. That wouldn't have much impact on my point as I'm not saying other factors besides personality don't matter, unlike OP who is claiming personality never matters and is therefore wrong even if one example exists where it does matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 12:49 PM
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No it's not. I never assume the reason until I know the person. But there have been plenty of cases in my life where I knew the person and personality was the problem. So to come out and claim personality doesn't matter for relationships is delusional and idiotic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:23 AM
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I can. He has good features and I would consider him physically attractive. I said it in another comment already. In fact, when I first saw his picture I was surprised he was so bad with women, but personally matters and his must have been insane toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:17 AM
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Now you're playing victim. Lame.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:46 AM
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I think it's actually many red and black pillers trying to make excuses for their own failures in relationships. If their failure is because "too ugly" or "women are trash", then it's not their fault. But if their failure is from their own trash personalities, then they have to own up and fix themselves, which then don't want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:45 AM
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I was earning minimum wage when I started dating my wife, and now I earn a lot of money and I'm still with the same woman. So you think your wife doesn't care about your personality? So if your personality changed overnight tomorrow, she wouldn't care at all? Maybe instead of babbling nonsense on this sub you should spend more time with your wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:43 AM
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has had several girlfriends All ending in failure due to his bad personality. Can you even read?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:41 AM
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It's actually an issue for them ( fascist leaders and murderers ) too, as they aren't as popular as OP pretends they are. Both usually have a "fan club" of some equality twisted and messed up women chasing them but otherwise they are widely reviled by most people, men and women alike.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:40 AM
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Yes, anything the contradicts your dogma can only be explained by the other person lying about their own experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:38 AM
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If a dude can’t close the deal, then it’s his personality. Yep. When I was younger I was a very good looking ( male model level ) dude ( still pretty good looking now, but not as good as then ), and I could not close the deal with any women. Women were all very interested in me until I started talking. However, after leveling up my social skills and game, I did a lot better and started to get relationships and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:37 AM
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Personality, of course. But OP and people like him will gaslight and lie to men until their last breath that personality doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:35 AM
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They married literally the day before they committed suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:34 AM
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This. Most men can't achieve the level of looks, status, or wealth to make their personality not matter. So most men are competing at least partially on personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:33 AM
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No it's not. A bad woman is definitely worse than no woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:32 AM
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Women blame personality because they constantly backflip between their just world fallacy and their “dating isn’t a vending machine” argument. So much stupid packed up in this sentence. "women" don't do anything because women are not a hivemind if a woman says the guy had a bad personality it's because he had a bad personality, there's just no compelling reason for most women to lie about this there's that "just world fallacy" BS again, where you clearly don't know what the term even means datin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:30 AM
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Studies show they are literally attracted to sociopaths and dark triad traits Yet they literally aren't IRL. Do you know how I know? Actually interacting with women IRL. Also, even if what you said was true, wouldn't that still prove personality matters? You didn't think that though, did you? LOL. They respond most to men who value them the least. No, they respond to men who don't seem desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:27 AM
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What stops them is the lack of money, appearance or power. Delusional and wrong. Bad personality is a huge impediment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:25 AM
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Hitler was always unpopular.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:23 AM
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Uh, no he wasn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:22 AM
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Women say he's not ugly, red piller guy who's agenda is to lie that personality doesn't matter says that he is ugly. I wonder who I should trust more about if a guy is attractive or not. LOL. No, the guy just gave off creep vibes due to a toxic personality. He had good, attractive features.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:20 AM
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supposed bad personality prevents someone from getting a woman It does. If you have any real life experience with women instead of just ranting on the internet, you'd know it does. I've seen bad personality kill attraction all the time. I've also seen the guys with bad personalities make the excuse that it's because they weren't "hot enough" or "rich enough" the woman rejected them instead of recognizing the obvious trainwreck their personality was.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:19 AM
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good women No, not good women. Bottom-tier, desperate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:17 AM
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This is the most accurate thing. Not at all. The people who found Hitler appealing were and have always been a small minority. Hitler did not achieve power by winning the vote. He took it by political games and force, and maintained it by a secret police state. That's not a person who's widely popular. The people who like him today are also a minority fringe mainly consisting of psychopaths and other unambiguously evil people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:14 AM
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He never got more than ~30% of the vote and was so "loved" and "charismatic" he needed a savage, all-encompassing secret police state to keep himself in power and his people following him.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:10 AM
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Why? Because it doesn't fit your the dogmas you believe? Why would you automatically assume everyone is lying instead of the more simple and straighforward conclusion that maybe you're just wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:56 AM
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I have broken up with guys who weren’t nice to me. Totally reasonable and normal behavior. Is that enough? Nothing is enough for the "personality doesn't matter" clowns to give up on their gaslighting and dogmas, but it's nice to have women answer so there's a contrast and a record where people can see that "personality doesn't matter" is a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:52 AM
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Also one of my methods of vetting dates was see how they treat waitstaff This is such a great trick isn't it? So useful. The way people treat strangers says a lot about them. His kindness and chillness are key personality traits of his! It's crazy to remember that it's actually a benefit for guys to be kind and decent people, after being gaslit over and over by black pillers and red pillers on this sub that "kindness won't get her wet".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:49 AM
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You should see some of the absurd "personality doesn't matter" delusions from doomer red pillers and black pillers. It's insane, like they've never had a relationship or even talked with women IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:46 AM
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Your victimhood narrative warps your perspective so you pretend all these guys have bad personalities even though you know nothing about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:26 AM
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Personality is not useless, but it is highly overrated. Looks and money are highly overrated. Personality is extremely important and those who say otherwise are people who fail at relationships due to bad personalities just gaslighting to try and make their failures not their fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:24 AM
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This is completely a lie. Your outliers have nothing to do with the average guy, and most guys are not pretty or rich enough to skate by on looks or money alone. Personality is the main way that men stand out and differenciate themselves from other men, and how men keep their LTRs happy and successful. I mean, this is basic truth obvious to anyone with relationships experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:22 AM
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"get to know" = personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:05 AM
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Most Chads aren't even very attractive. They just have high charisma.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:02 AM
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So learn. That's what real red pill is for, not this pathological lying BS that pretends personality doesn't matter. Personality is the most important thing. OP and people like OP are gaslighting and lying to men to serve their own agenda ( protect their victimhood narrative ).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:01 AM
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Again, you're just a pathological liar. Most men who are successful with women have great charisma. Money and looks help but they won't do it by themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 02:58 AM
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Another clown who doesn't understand just world fallacy at all and just abuses the term out of stupidity, I see. A man can be single for lots of reasons. A bad personality can be one of those reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 02:29 AM
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No, they are trying to project their delusions and failed theories derived from the American bubble on me and everyone else in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 12:48 AM
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they don’t have that level of intelligence Wow, you're really a cockroach. Women and men have the same average intelligence. They just are all a hive mind who do all the exact same things. Women aren't a hivemind because they are human beings. You think patriarchy is a thing I'm not a feminist, you pathetic degenerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 12:46 AM
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You are pretending the women are conspiring together to victimize men. That's you're victimhood mentality. Women are not a hivemind. That's perverted fantasy you made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 04:20 PM
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I'm only talking about the US. Stop making "women think..." types of claims then. Because nothing you say is true if it only applies to the US. You're making blanket statements about an entire gender based solely on the behavior of a small minority of people under the influence of your crazy culture. 61% of American women identify as feminsts. Because it's a cool label. They aren't living their lives like political activists. The hidden part is conspiratorial. It's not a conspiracy of an entire …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:35 AM
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Not all of us are wild animals like you are. There's more to life than running around trying to stick your dick in anything you can find. I love having sex but there's more to a relationship than that. If something terrible happened and my wife couldn't have sex anymore she's still the person I'd want with me for the rest of my life. I wouldn't pick a guy friend over her. Guys are kind of boring, TBH.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:23 AM
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but I had amazing sex It's pathetic you think that's a flex when you're doing it with the lowest quality woman who you know are worthless for marriage. I also don’t think it’s healthy to call women sluts I'm not. Only the ones that sleep with dysfunctional, desperate men like you. I’ve also had 3 LTRs in that period. Yet here you are single trolling for sex from women too bottom-tier to be marriage material.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:09 AM
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Ahh, no problem! They're still valid observations For sure, I think there are common attitudes and behaviors that a majorty of men or women have connected to their gender. So lots of times generalizations are fine / useful to use to understand the behavior of large groups. But when it comes to individuals, I am strongly opposed treating people like they are just a sum of stereotypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:05 AM
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My post isn't against generalizations, my post is against "collective gender conspiracy" delusions. Like "women want men to be single and lonely" or "men want women to be stuck with abusive husbands" - as if men or women collectively conspire together as a gender to hurt each other or set broad social outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:40 PM
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No, women aren't a hivemind. Claiming they are is just a red flag that you have deficit reasoning skills and want to play the victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:30 PM
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Yes, it is, and I know it's a dogmatic theory because of the way you tried move your goalposts to talk about specific attributes men have instead of defending your actual dogma which is that women are a collective hivemind that all think the same and work together to hurt men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:27 PM
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Wow, you managed to get a bunch of women to waste an hour or two on you and pump and dumped a few drunk club sluts that are one step above prostitute, while you can't manage a stable healthy relationship if your life depended on it. You're a broken, dysfunctional failure of a man. No wonder you don't get it, you can't get past desperate sex fiend stage of your life. You're like a forever teenager. You're 0% of the way there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:17 PM
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No there isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:12 PM
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I am just calling it as it is. No you're not. Women are not men's enemies. But thanks for demonstrating in the most clear way the completely psychotic mentality that comes from treating genders as a hivemind collective.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:08 PM
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general terms Your general terms mean directing hate at individuals simply for their gender. Women are not some faceless mass, there are 4 billion individual women who are all human beings, and your lazy stereotypes are meant to blame every one of them for your problems and target them for their lives to be ruined. WTF is wrong with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:06 PM
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You sound honestly psychotic, delusional and unhinged. You want to abandon everything that makes us human and use techology to generate VAT babies just so you can spite women. Most people would refuse to live in the dystopian hell-hole you want to turn the future into. No matter how the worst parts of the west are now, you vision for the future is even more degenerate, dark, miserable and evil. Because women have turned themselves into the enemy in these past 50 years. No they haven't. Women hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:03 PM
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Relationships are a lot more than just sex but maybe that's why you don't get it, because you've never had an actual, functioning, happy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:58 PM
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Also insane. Most men don't want to do that and shouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:56 PM
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Look, women DO have this conspiratorial movement that is intesely powerful. No they don't. Believing what you just said is what seperates unhinged nutjobs with no life experience from normal people. It's called Feminism Western feminism is a niche movement run by a small amount of people while most of the women who claim to be "feminists" don't even care about the movement or pay any attention to it. Additionally, outside of your American bubble, feminism doesn't even mean the same things it doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:55 PM
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questioning the dogma I'm question your dogma and you're crying about "mean words / ad hominem" because you can't respond to my actual points.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:49 PM
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It’s naive and silly to ignore patterns of behavior in large data sets: behaviors like alpha fucks/beta bucks; how women in general like tall, muscular and dominant men etc It's not that useful unless you're planning on dating 1000s of women at the same time and need to know what the "average expectations" they have are. If you're dating one person at a time then it's moronic to try and paint them with some broad average instead of getting to know them personally. That's why clowns like you are …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:48 PM
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So in other words you have no problem with the idea of trying to paint men and women in terms of moronic gender conpiracies but you are throwing a little tantrum about those people like you being called autistic. LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:44 PM

The lack of imagination comes from conspirtard clowns like you who can't handle the fact people are individuals so you invent vast conspiracies where everyone of one gender or another is working together to create some outcome. twice as smart as your smug, jock No, they're low-IQ as you are. You fail to understand how individual or small group behaviors can scale up No I don't, it's just irrelavent to my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:18 PM
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No you're not, I read your comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:15 PM
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You must have trouble reading, my post isn't "generalizations are bad". Try reading it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:14 PM
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Sure, I would agree it's not relavent to your personal life, unless you plan to move here. But, it is relavent if you're making blanket assumptions or broad claims about men and women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:13 PM
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Huh? My post goes both directions. This isn't about women or men, this is about the autist weirdos in this sub that attribute vast conspiries to either gender as if every women, or every man, is secretly working together to create some particular outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:11 PM
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Women are very much increasingly hiveminded. No, they aren't. Humans don't spend much time thinking about the "collective interest" of their gender. You're talking your tiny American niche is the entire world. Women's prefreneces on those four thing and other items vary quite a lot from person to person, region to region, culture to culture, and country to country. So stop projecting your own little on everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:09 PM
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Dating is a personal activity that happens between two people, not the "collective of men" and "collective of women". If you're talking about setting social policy for a country, trends are of course useful to understand. However, if you're talking about dating and relationships, you need to understand they happen at a personal level.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:04 PM
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outliers exist. That's the biggest lazy excuse isn't it? Like if something doesn't match your grand dogmatic theory of the world, it must be "just an outlier".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:02 PM
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Everything you said applies almost exclusively to the anglo-west. It's so weird that you don't understand other people and cultures exist, and you're in a tiny minority that doesn't represent most people. Also, women or men are not part of a vast conpiracy to make bad outcomes in your society. There are small groups of people with positions of power who are responsible for those effects. Blaming a whole gender as a collective is moronic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:00 PM
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No, I'm as much of an individual as I think I am. Also, crowd psychology does imply the kind of intentional conspiracy that lots of the people on this sub accuse women or men as a collective of.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:59 PM
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Wut. Most of the women in my country are not feminists. Even the ones who say they are don't really believe in what you consider to be feminist from your narrow anglo-western bubble. It's so weird that you would take some niche western ideology and try to pretend that 4 billion people around the world are on board with it just because they have XX chromasomes. That is totally unhinged.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:56 PM
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Again, you're just being a doomer conspiratard, actually. Like this idea that women are out to get you as a collective is insane. It's the same on the other side, of course, from FDS'ers and western feminists who think all men are out to get them. Like that's where mental illness is, acting like people of a certain gender are going around trying to "improve the collective power" of their gender. Like women go on dates and don't think about how they can find a cute guy, but instead think about ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:51 PM
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My post isn't about generalizations though, it's about the idea that men and women are someone a "collective" who are "conpiring together for their gender interests", which is how many of the posts on here say that men or women are. All these "women think..." or "men do..." posts are trying to accuse people of the other gender of being part of some global conspiracy to hurt the opposite gender or make their own prospects better. That's where the psychosis comes in.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:48 PM
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That's not the point being made by most of the crazies on this sub. There are endless posts of people talking about how man or women are conspiring together to hurt the other gender, and how men or women make choices not based on their own interests, but instead based on some kind of "collective gender interest". Like accusing women of doing some thing when dating in order to "help women" or "hurt men" in general, as if women going on dates are thinking about how their date will affect the relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:44 PM
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You don't seem to understand how averages work. That's because you don't have basic reading comprehension skills. My point is nothing about averages, it's about the delusional conspiratard mentality that women or men are a collective hivemend intentionally working to a particular goal, or that individual men and women actually care about the "collective benefit" of their gender when they make choices. This whole tirade seems rather silly. It's not a tirade, that's just your tone policing. "You m…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:41 PM
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The current ideology in vogue is consideration of improving “odds” of their social group (e.g. gender) and how individual actions “imbalance society” towards or away from their favor. Your average person couldn't care less about this. You're projecting the weird obsessions of always online redditors onto normal people. This doesn’t mean, however, that there isn’t truth in general statements or pointing out trends, common dispositions, etc. I'm not against generalizations if they actually apply t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:36 PM
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Of course she has eyes, and she's happy with how he looks. The actual autistic argument is coming from you where you think women are all pulling out tape measures to check if their husband is a few cm "too short" from their "acceptable height" or conspiring together in a global group chat to decide the minimum height men are "allowed to be".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:31 PM
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I think the problem isn't generalizations, but the idea that women or men act as a "collective" with their "collective" interests in mind and with the goal of "winning against" or "hurting" the other gender. In reality, people don't think about gender as a collective, genders aren't conspiring together to create outcomes, and most people are really more interested in their personal lives than the "interests of all women" or the "interests of all men".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:56 AM
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Your using a logical fallacy that becomes something appears nuanced, it cannot be routinely identified and explained. Nope. That's not what I've said at all. You're clearly making up something I didn't say. Left to their own devices without a strong Masculine figure in their life, female human nature devolves into Malifecent, Cruella De Ville and basically any girl that does any evil in this world You sound like someone who's never gone outside and interacted with real people, TBH. Some of the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:53 AM
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biological addiction to women So you solution here is seriously "men should be gay"? Women and men are meant to work together cooperatively to continue the human race. It's not a flaw that men like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:48 AM
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That's possibly true, on if we're assuming that "pick me's" are women who work extra hard to please men. I mean, obviously they would be a better choice than someone who hates men, for example. Of course, if that became widespread then there wouldn't be enough "pick mes" to go around. But then, it's unclear if "pick me" is actually describes a real behavior, instead of just as an insult women use against other women who they think are too nice to men (or a certain man). "Pick me" as an insult is…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:47 AM
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The suffragettes were a small group of women limited exclusively to anglo-western countries (US, UK). Yes, they did achieve their goal. But this doesn't provide any evidence that woman at large are collectively conspiring together.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:42 AM
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Women don't have "interests" as a collective and neither do men. Most people don't see the world that way. Interests converging also doesn't justify moronic statements like "women want men to...." or "men want women to..." as if all men or women working together to push some outcome or idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:37 AM
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I didn’t say I was representative of all women You sure talk like it. feminism would’ve never achieved any goals What goals? What feminism? Feminism itself is so vague and loosely defined it doesn't even mean anything. My wife says she's a feminist. She has almost nothing in common with American feminists and thinks they are psychotic. Honestly, I think you're just in a tiny bubble and think that bubble represents the whole world.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:34 AM
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Based on what evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:32 AM
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"Women" don't want anything. Some women want one thing, other women want other things. Also, your insistence that you are somehow the "president of all women / spokesperson for all women" is clown-world narcissist behavior. Did all the women in the world get together and decide that your opinion represents them?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:30 AM
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What percentage of the 4 billion men in the world are regular posters on this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:28 AM
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You just claimed some random babble about a "feminist hivemind" ( do you know how unhinged that sounds to normal people? ) that has no basis in reality is and is completely absurd on it's face, it not related to my point, and you have zero evidence to back up. What kind of discussion do you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:27 AM
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I'm expecting flak from all directions on this, hehe.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:25 AM
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Yep, that's one of the main things that's made discussions on this sub so crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:25 AM
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It's a tiny pool of weirdos who are obsessed with gender wars and gender politics. Also, you're attributing some kind of grand collective will to men as if they all conspired together to act a certain way, which is completely unmoored from how people act in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:24 AM
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But you have no evidence of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:22 AM
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No they aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:19 AM
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Yes, I agree, not every man or every woman falls under the umbrella of "men do x" or "women do y". It's not really about that, it's more about the assumption that everyone is conspiring together with their gender to create an outcome. If lots of women like flowers on dates, it's not a conspiracy that they all got together and decided that men should bring flowers. That's where the thinking of most people on this sub collapses. Going through life and treating people like the amalgamation of stati…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:18 AM
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"Women" don't want anything. There is no collective "women". Some women want to be wives and mothers as their main identity. Others don't. Others would like to be wife and mother but also pursue other goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:13 AM
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sick dodge Naw, I just don't want to branch off into your weird obsessions and tangents that don't have anything to do with my post. women want feminism Feminism isn't even discussed in my post. Also, feminism is not even close to universally popular among women and it's also so vague that women from different places, cultures, and even the same places and cultures define it completely differently. There is no "collective feminist" that "women" are part of.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:11 AM
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No, false. "Men" have not done that. Just a few of the men that you've interacted with, at most. There are 4 billion men in the world. What percentage of them have you interacted with?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:08 AM
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I'd be OK with it, it really depends on what kind of person she is in other ways. Actually, for me specifically a bi-woman probably would be a little easier. But ultimately I care more about her other personality traits than sexuality, so as far as sexuality goes, as long as she's interested in me that's good enough. Even if she's like "I only like women, but I'll make an exception for you" and she's got all the other things I'm looking for I'm fine with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:06 AM
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Don't know, and it's irrelevant to my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:03 AM
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I saw someone else quote what they said and lots of it is exactly what any normal person would say to a stranger they were not heavily invested in the person who was dealing with a problem. There's nothing shocking and men would say similar things in a reverse situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:02 AM
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Don't care because it's totally irrelevant to my point. Even women who claim to be feminists mostly aren't sitting around "planning the feminist revolution" or whatever. For most of them, it's just a label they like. Only a few extreme weirdos are highly invested in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:59 AM
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Of course women want as many safe offers as possible to drive up their collective value. No they don't. Like women literally don't think about this. There is no "woman hivemind". Your average women is not sitting around thinking about the "collective value" of women. Seriously what kind of autist clowns are on this site?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:33 AM
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Nobody thinks as a collective like that. Not women, not men. Women don't think "if I do X, this will have contribute to a statistical imbalance in how male attention is valued on average, so I won't do it." Like that's crazy talk. Men and women aren't out there thinking about the big picture like this, they are just doing whatever they think will work best for them in their personal situation based on past experience, their own ideas, and what other people have told them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:32 AM
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I can't remember ever being approached by a woman ( honestly, not sure if it means it has never happened, I just can't remember it happening). I feel like this isn't a real problem and I don't care about it at all. I mean, women just don't approach in general. It's pretty rare. Actually, most men don't even approach. Anyways, so what? It hasn't stopped me from having meeting, sleeping with, and having relationships with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:26 AM
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That's false. Men are victims of violence at a much higher rate than women. What determines a women's empathy is her personality, character and morals. Same is true for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:21 AM
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This.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:20 AM
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men thinking women are the root of all evil Also the other way around, with some of the women on this sub. In general, this sub is full of lazy, low IQ generalizations of the opposite gender used by socially impaired autists to try and simply / gamify a complex real world they don't have the basic social skills to navigate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:18 AM
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That's a made up thing. There is no such effect. It's tantrum that black pillers throw when people don't rage against and hate women as much as they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:13 AM
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Women care about other people all the time, have you even gone outside and interacted with real women or do you just spend all your time online spreading cringe theories about things you've never experienced? Of course women have a special bond with their own children (actually, men do too but western society constantly tries to ignore or erase that reality and pretend like fatherhood is meaningless and men don't love their children), but the idea that "women" in general don't care about anyone …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:12 AM
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But then he can't play the victim and pretend that he's being oppressed by the "mean women".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:11 AM
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My real life experience on women's empathy has been some women are absolutely horrendous, some are unbelievably amazing, but most are shades of grey in between. I think that's the average experience and nobody normal should have any trouble dealing with this reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:09 AM
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I am saying that that isn't the default image There is no "default image" except the one you invented in your head. Any mature adult understands that people are individuals and can range from barbaric evil to amazing. True for women, true for men. This "women are shitty people" garbage that keeps coming up on this sub is boring and pathetically low IQ. Same is true for the "men are..." people. Stop pretending like everyone is part of a gender-specific hivemind. It's weird and cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:03 AM
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women aren't empathetic caring individuals Empty generalization that's useless and wrong. I've meet women who are super empathetic and caring beyond what I'd ever expect from any real person and women who are so hateful and callous they'd be a villain in any fiction. "Women" aren't anything except individual people who can range from amazing to horrible. There is no "women hivemind". There is no "woman collective". Then I saw the responses to a post someone made asking what to do in a situation …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 01:00 AM
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What pathetic excuses you make for yourself when your theories don't match reality. I am more attractive than average but that did nothing for me until I learned game and how to be emotionally intelligent like reading subtle signs. For 90% of guys "genetic luck" is not even a factor, it's just a self-delusion that black pillers and doomer trash use to justify their own failures. Most men become attractive and interesting to women by developing game / social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 02:35 PM
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Remember that a lot of those "social circles" and friends are online now, so such organic development to meet your date is rare at best. Not really. There are plenty of IRL social groups that people can become part of. My entire life I met women through IRL social groups, not online and it still works even now.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 02:27 PM
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We're talking about averages here, not a one off experience. Most men are struggling like crazy with online dating because it's a system that was never designed to help men, it was designed to scam them, by making them pay for something they could get for free IRL while lowering the success rate to make them more desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 12:25 PM
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Cold approach has always been stupid. It just got upsold in American culture as being more effective than it really is. If a guy has max charisma and at least OK looks he can probably have some success. But for a majority of guys, meeting women in social arenas (work, school, friend groups) is far more effective and way less stress. Online dating is just cold approach but without the chance to talk to the girl. It's like walking up to her with a gag on your mouth, so it's even worse. Of course m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 12:23 PM
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I'm alright now but I was really hot when I was younger and the only people who approached me are gay guys. I had an extremely easy time chatting up women (once I developed some social skills) and lots of women always interested in me, and many women trying to sleep with me after they get to know me a little bit, but I've never been cold approached by a woman. Women are just too shy and nervous to walk up to a random hot guy in real life. It basically never happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 12:18 PM
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Approaching has never been the "old ideal", it's always been stupid. Most men in the past actually met women through social circles and friends. If men continued to do that instead of trying to adopt these very low success rate "cold approach" techniques (and get brainwashed into thinking they are normal), men would avoid lot of the current problems in dating, have less anxiety and end up with better women. That said, online dating is even worse and is not the solution at all. Guy's best traits …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 12:04 PM
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That's because the subs are full of psycho Americans. Where I live, for example, the attitude is more like "if you don't sleep with your husband don't complain when he has sex with someone else".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 12:00 PM
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I think it depends on the woman but my wife likes me being very love-dovey. She's also super touchy and affectionate. Then again, it's probably a feminine trait, I'm super feminine guy ( literally a femboy ). But I will say, lots of our female friends have repeatedly expressed jealousy about us being so affectionate and that they wanted to "have a relationship like that too". So that could be an indication that women tend to like that more in general. Oh, another point. It think a lot of it is c…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 10:47 PM

I don't need to die for my country. My country isn't at war and even if it is, killing the enemy makes a lot more sense than dying. In most modern wars, a majority of soldiers survive without major injury (unless they are cannon fodder for Russia). So what nonsense are you babbling?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 01:56 PM

So single women are supported to go bad to Ukraine to offer sexual favors to soldiers instead of trying to date where they are safe from Russian savages? You really are the lowest form of cockroach. Imagine refusing to defend your own country because you aren't getting sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 01:54 PM

I have friends and friends of family who are still in Ukraine and contractors who work with me from Ukraine. Also, lots of Ukrainians are staying here in Georgia so I have plenty of opportunities to hear what's going on. I know people on the front lines who are there now and people who's families were hurt by Russian savages. I have driven from one end of Ukraine to another, and I've spent many years taking autumn / winter vacations in Ukraine. I've stayed in Lviv, Kyiv and Odesa. Before the war…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 01:51 PM

Not being a traitor coward like you is a plus for men when it comes to attracting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 11:10 AM

Nothing until they get caught. That will make it even worse for them than just being caught for draft dodging.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 11:00 AM

I know what I'm talking about. Stop lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 11:00 AM

I don't have a duty to fight for Ukraine, even though I support them as an ally, and I don't have skills the Georgian Legion needs anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 10:59 AM

America-brain thinks that the only reason to defend my country is for some sexual favors afterwords, and if I can't get those I should just run away. It's so sick and degenerate it's crazy people as bad as you exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 10:56 AM

No, you won't. You'll live in hiding in fear of extradition for your treason the rest of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 10:55 AM

Naw, traitors and cowards like you are scum, don't try to project your pathetic degeneracy on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 10:53 AM

Wealth doesn't come from state handouts. Do you not understand basic economics?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 10:52 AM

Thanks! 😊 Yep, our hope is the Russian army is smashed so badly in Ukraine they won't be capable of attacking anywhere else including us for decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 10:48 AM

IDK, if OP represents how a significant portion of Americans think, I think Americans will run away at the first sign of a real threat. I hope I'm wrong and you're right, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 10:44 AM

Your America-brain can't handle the real world, can it? Russia is a 12th barbarian horde like something made by Ghengis Khan. Russians want to kill as many people as they can and dominate the entire world. In their culture, State TV, philosophy, government documents, Russians have repeatedly and continously expressed their desire to commit genocide in multiple countries including the United States, which they wish they could replace as the global hegemon. They don't have economic or military pow…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 12:47 AM

No, it's not evil. Most smaller countries have conscription for self defence because they don't have the luxury of relying on a small pool of volunteers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 12:44 AM

The beta is the pathetic coward like you. Throughout history women have seen men like you as trash and left you in the gutter where you belong, and society has punished you as you deserved. That's not changing any time soon no matter how much you lie about it on a reddit post. You run like a coward and a traitor, you'll get what comes to cowards and traitors.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 12:30 AM

No, that's just a lie you tell yourself to justify being a loser coward. After WWII was the biggest baby boom in history. All those guys got women and families while cowards and traitors like you got prison or execution.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 12:28 AM

War's already happened. What the hell are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 12:26 AM

Russia is already losing and has no hope to win. It's also pathetic that you would only protect your own country if you can get some women as a "gift" afterwards. You have the brain of a 12th century savage. You should move to Russia, you'd fit right in. if there was something in it for us Selfish trash like you always self-destruct in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 12:24 AM

You don't won't need a quote for that. You know I'm right, you're just a liar looking to cover for the Russian pedophiles you worship. Anyone can see translated versions of Russian TV on YouTube if you don't understand any Russian and see what they say. You could also read Alexander Dugin's book. But you're just a brainwashed clown that will say anything to protect Russian savages. So crawl away somewhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 12:23 AM
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Better to die for freedom than live as a Russian slave. Most of us in Eastern Europe feel that way. Of course, we don't plan to die, we plan to kill lots of Russians if they invade us again. The Russian invader savages can do the dying, as they are in Ukraine.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:48 PM
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They've announced on Russian state TV many times they intend to commit genocide. Their plan (according to Russian state TV and close advisors to Putin) is to kill 2-5 million Ukrainians in death camps and mass executions to send a message to other Ukrainians that they should never try to have a nation again. Without conscription this stupid war would not be happening as russia would be unable to justify the war domestically and convince people to join the army I do agree with you on that point. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:46 PM
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Not going to happen. Countries punish people like you to make an example for others so they won't be cowardly leeches and traitors like you. You dodge the draft, you'll pay for it or be hiding away someone afraid of extradition for the rest of your life. BTW, most the "comfortable" countries you'd hide in have extradition treaties with the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:41 PM
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Actually it hurts all kind of people of all ages. Women, older people, aren't immune from bombs, artillery, cruise missiles, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:37 PM
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Amen!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:36 PM
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I like that women are selfish, that means its easier to extract value from them Evil people like you always think you're the one that's going to screw other people when most of the time you end up screwed. If you only want the worse quality women I'm sure you'll get what you want and all the pain that comes with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:35 PM
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Russian mafia state always finds a way to get out of it's promises.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:32 PM
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I'm not claiming to be brave.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:31 PM
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WTF are you babbling? I never claimed to have fought in a war, I'm just thanking someone who did.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:10 PM
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You dream is to be a leech. Wow, totally trash human you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:02 PM
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Insane. He also said somewhere in the comments that "Nazis were good for French women".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:56 PM
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Nah you can just run to another country You'll have to hide out for the rest of your life, and hope you never get extradited. Tell that to women who flee ukraine with their tails tucked between their legs LMAO. Lots of them work in Europe and send large portions of their money back to help the war effort. Also, their homes are literally rubble thanks to the Russian savages you worship, that's why they are running. Doubtful Try it and find out. Oh no, I have to live in this country with lot of op…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:52 PM
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He's such a scumbag. It's amazing his post has any upvotes at all. Like literally he said "if you let your wife die you can just get a new one". Like WTF. It's crazy that people like him exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:49 PM
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No you're not. Stop lying. Everyone can see from your post what kind of selfish, hedonistic trash you are. Based on the way you think, nobody can trust you for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:48 PM
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100%.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:47 PM
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Of course there is. Everyone hates cowards for a good reason. You can't be trusted for anything because when things get tough you run away.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:47 PM
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Most men that go to war don't die. Your desperate desire to take no risk for anything except yourself is what makes you trash and dangerous to everyone around you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:46 PM
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A person like you is a leech that contributes nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:45 PM
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Yeah you and everyone else because it’s fairly safe. I'd get assigned the task because of my technical knowledge. I know this, because that's exactly what they did in Ukraine. Also, if you volunteer you have much more flexibility to choose your role. It’s super easy to say you’ll take the safe route It's still dangerous, just less than being in a trench on the front lines. Paraphrasing Patton, "the point of war isn't to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:44 PM
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Nobody in CEE wants to be a slave of Russian savages every again. They are 12th century barbarian animals and we value our freedom and humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:41 PM
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No, it's survival of their culture. Russia has repeatedly said they will commit genocide if they win.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:41 PM
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Yes, you will steal other people's money using your power to pay for something that you want. How are you different than the average socialist / communist parasite or woke feminist?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:39 PM
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No, contracts are paid to their families No, they list soldiers as MIA so the contracts go unpaid. its not really popular to conscript men to go into ukraine They still use those conscripts. Russia has depleted more than 100% of it's pre-war manpower. At this point, the entire Russian active ground army has been killed and replaced with cannon fodder. That's why Russia is so ineffective in Ukraine, there's nobody with any training or skill left.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:38 PM
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I didn't say France wasn't helped. But those millions of French also made a sigificant impact. If France was full of cowards like you the US and UK would have had nobody to work with on the continent and d-day would have been harder or impossible. That's only in WWII. In WWI France held it's own and defeated Germany.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:32 PM

What's your point? It doesn't justify pre-emptivly destroying people's relationships because someone "might" be abusive or a rapist. Pre-crime is not a thing. Maybe you wish it was because you have the brain of a dsytopian tyrant, but fortunately it's not IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:31 PM
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Can’t say I give a shit about whatever tiny ass globally irrelevant euro country you live in lol My country is small but it's not globally irrelavent. It's at a strategic choke point between Europe and Asia. The fact that you don't give a shit about it just means you're stupid, because my country is critically important to US interests in Europe. Cute that you seem to know/ think a lot about America Lived there for a few years so I know what you're like.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:29 PM
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No. OP is a State disinformation actor. Possibly, or one of the brainwashed useful idiots in America. Stalin for sure. 100%
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:28 PM
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Boss babe feminists are just like you, cowardly trash hiding in America who don't care about anyone but themselves. I dont really believe it Doesn't make it untrue, though. Actually, I'm sure you know it's true, and you support it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:26 PM
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Proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:24 PM
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My flair is redpill, we are amoral You are immoral, actually. That's different.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:22 PM

Yeah, they are, men are not that is the problem. You literally exposed yourself as the most disloyal, untrustworthy coward on this sub. Are you not a man? No one in russia and Ukraine will be there to fight Your 12 year old America-brain understanding of war is both hilarous and sad. Russians fight because they want more land, more power, more resources and more women and children to rape. Ukrainians fight to defend their country, their homes and their families.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:20 PM
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Burgerland is so exceptional that everyone is fat and the vast majority of its populace is dumber than my cat. hahahahahha 😂😂😂 yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:19 PM
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Word of mouth mostly. In other words you made it up. Ukrainian women who fled their country as "refugees" Single women. What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:17 PM
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Dodge the draft. Win in life Fixed it for you: Dodge the draft. Become a cowardly loser nobody can trust with a criminal record for the rest of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:16 PM
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If you're so oppressed you should go live in one of the countries that wants to bring war to the west and destroy it, like China, Russia, Iran or North Korea. See how great it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:13 PM
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Nobody here in Eastern Europe wants to become a Russian savage terrorist under Russia's pedophile regime. If you want to though you can volunteer yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:11 PM
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You have the IQ of a bot, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:09 PM
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Russia winning the war does not mean Russians will get immunity to start kidnapping women. Of course it does. They're losing right now and they've still kidnapped and raped tens of thousands of women and children. Ukraine comes under new management You're the kind of cockroach that calls Hitler's occupation of France "new management", so nobody should take you seriously. Russians want to mass murder as many Ukrainians as they can. They've said it repeatedly and have set up concentration camps an…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:08 PM
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Russia ended conscription for soldiers in ukrainian territory and replaced it with voluntary contracts with thousands of dollars of monetary incentive. Contracts they don't pay because a frontline Russian soldier's average lifespan is around two weeks. cant really start conscription without starting insurgency Russia already has conscription.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:06 PM
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He is definitely a love of pedo-Putin. He even said the Nazis "weren't that bad" in another comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:04 PM
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Vile trash that nobody should trust. If you ran a society it would turn into Haiti or Somalia.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:04 PM
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No it's not actually. Draft dodgers can be executed, and if everyone dodges the draft, the invaders will destroy their country and kill them all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:03 PM
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Just like running away from a burning house where people are trapped inside is cowardly. But you're probably American and America has an infestation of narcissist, hedonist cowards. You're lucky your country is so far away from everyone else, if you were attacked, you'd pee your pants and run in panic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:01 PM
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French people fought and died in the millions for their country. That's why they still exist. A country full of people like trash cowards like OP wouldn't survive a year next to any large belligerant nation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:00 PM
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It's not a political cause for Ukrainians. It's literally survival of their nation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 01:59 PM
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french women were very happy to go to bed with Nazi soldiers After the war the ones who did were executed. nation is preserved it just comes under new management Because for you there's no different living in North Korea or South Korea. We get it. You're not just a coward, but you're pretty stupid. Because if a psycho regime takes over you won't have the luxury of your hedonist, nacissitic, useless lifestyle. You're be a slave to the state whether you like it or not. Turns out history is not as …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 01:58 PM
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Exactly. I'd be happy to fly and maintain drones. Given the way modern war works, that's a major contribution to the fight. I'd also be very unlikely to get injured or have psychological issues afterwards. You don't have to be cannon fodder on the front lines. Keep in mind, castironskilletset is an insane cowardly narcissist, he probably idolizes dictators like Hitler, Putin, Stalin and Mao.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 01:55 PM
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I have too much to lose(ME) so I just cant afford to fight for stupid things like, honor, home, or whatever. Selfish loser trash. If Ukrainians thought like you they wouldn't have a country. Most of us don't have the luxury of living in places were other people will rescue us or fight for us if we are invaded. Alright, what freedoms though? Go live in China, Russia, or North Korea then. I'm sure your fellow Americans will pay for a airplane ticket to get rid of a useless leech like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 01:52 PM
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Lol, I love someone by staying alive and intact. If they die because of your cowardly failure to protect them, that's not love. The only person you love is yourself, and you're a dangerous loser narcissist that nobody should make the mistake of trusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 01:49 PM
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No, the idiot is you. You're also a coward and a loser because you are somebody that nobody else can trust or rely on. When things get tough you run away. What kind of man is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 01:48 PM

Widows have right to move on from men who die to protect them. So men dont need to feel obligated to die for their wives. If wife is killed because man didnt protect her, he can just replace her because she is definitely gonna replace him soner or later if he dies. It doesnt matter why you are dead, it matters that you are. People move on from you, you become a distant memory. Your basically an narcissistic autistic coward with no sense of duty and no understanding of human emotion. It would be …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 01:45 PM
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Many mental health specialists from USA have volunteered in Ukraine and one of the biggest issue is wifes and gfs of men leaving or cheating on them while he is away defending the country. Is it really? Where did you come up with this idea from? Your brother is lucky to have his wife, many men are not. Just because your culture is full of narcissistic, hedonist cowards doesn't mean other countries are like yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 01:43 PM
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Thank you. As a Georgian I know your sacrifice is keeping Russia from attacking us and other places in EE. You're heroes to us. Nevermind the American cowards who would run if their country is attacked. They'll never do anything worthwhile in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 01:42 PM
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Depends on the war. If it's the case of Ukraine and your country is invaded, the only way to win is for your country to win. If that means fighting, if that means contributing in other ways ( money, support, etc ) it's not that important. Whatever the country needs to win. Because if your country loses you lose. I'm glad that Ukrainians aren't narcissitic, loser cowards like most American men are, and actually defend their country. I think if America was attacked your country would collapse in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 01:38 PM
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Until the country you run to is at war also. Running from war just invites more war. Same way that cowardice invites more bullying.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 01:36 PM
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I almost never get death threats and these were probably the first in 10 years. Just goes to show lots of people are really unhinged in their rage against age gap relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 06:22 PM
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Most places are lower than 18 which proves that everyone agrees 18 is absolutely old enough to make choices about relationships. You're just making my point for me. Also, many of these places that have age of consent as younger than 18 require both partners to be within a certain age, and the parent's consent in underage marriage. So you're falsely representing it as "anyone can get married at that age / to someone that age", but I can't understand exactly why because this entire discussion prov…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 05:58 PM
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People from this sub DM'd me death threats. For example "I hope to see you in a snuff film soon". ( Of course, I reported and the accounts were banned but it seems like they set up alts specifically for the threats. ) Other people on this sub said the death threats to people like me are justified. ( For reference: My wife and I are 11 years apart, she's 28 and I'm 39. We started dating when she was 21. All the crying about "old man exploiting young women" from people raging about age gaps sounds…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 05:46 PM
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People on the internet having opinions isn't "meddling" this isn't some deep social justice issue you're trying to make it out to be. Opinions are not the problem, are they though? That's just gaslighting. It's the fact that (especially) Americans desperately shame and attack anyone they see in or getting in a age gap relationship, and they go as far as lying to people to break the relationships up, trying to bully, abuse, intimidate, or scare one or both of the people, and a new thing I got to …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 05:10 PM
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but if a relationship is capable of being fucked up by someone's opinion When people are just getting to know each other, the bond isn't strong yet. It's a bunch of degenerate freaks trying to cut of their chances at love before they can even get started. But if more than less younger women were lining up to date older middle aged dudes then y'all wouldnt come here to complain about it pretty much daily as y'all do. Nice try, but I'm married, I'm not looking. I just have a strong distain for do-…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:44 PM
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Most women are against them No, most are not. Only control freak, usually older, western women who want to have power over everyone's lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:40 PM
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uh no i find fault with women all the time Not what we're talking about. We're talking about how you choose randomly between modern liberal standards and regressive 19th century puritan standards based on what is suitable to your interests and agenda at the moment. pro life women are without exception fucking idiots and also ghouls This blanket statement of hate for people you don't know just makes you look even more evil and psychotic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:38 PM
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Yes, it certainly does. Seems the hypocrasy and irrationality of it all is intentional.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:36 PM
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Guess who ended up divorced after grooming and abuse allegations? Allegations. In other words, no evidence. I'd bet money that control freak scum were constantly whispering in her ear about how her husband was a bad person, just because they hated his being older. When I was 19 I dated a 28 year old who talked me into trying hard core drugs What does this have to do with age? Don't do drugs. Losers go after very young adults. No, that's just a lie you tell yourself to justify screwing with the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:35 PM
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There are laws against marital rape and abuse in relationships, too. It's just that one person being older and one being younger is not recognized by sane people as being "abuse". Only psychotic, control freak trash think that age gaps are automatically a problem and require destroying stranger's happy relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:31 PM
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Yep, exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:29 PM
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constant gaslighting 100%. Almost none of their arguments make any logical sense and every piece of science they cite is so bastardized that it may as well be race IQ “science”. Yep. illogical and manipulative means of discourse of ANY group Yep, they are dangerous people too. After I posted I started getting death threats, and when I used it as an example to one of these anti-gap gap freaks how unhinged they are, they are, their answer what "probably I deserved it". Those people are insanely un…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:25 PM
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At 18 people can consent. We all agreed on that as a society in most places in the world. That's final. All the people trying to push it higher are just desperate to infantalize, control and manipulate adults and take away their freedom of choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:22 PM
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that women warn each other about possible predators That's not what's happening. They are "warning" other women about completely innocent men and smearing them as predators simply because they are dating younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:20 PM
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No, I engaged with your argument. You just can't answer what I said you started to cry about "ad hominem" instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:19 PM
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Unhinged statement and totally delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:18 PM
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No? I mean, women have it difficult in other ways. I think it's weird that lots of people, especially who have a materialist, transactional view of the world, don't understand that men and women are different and therefore experience different sets of difficulties. What may be very easy from the woman's side is hard for a man, or what may be very easy from the man's side is hard for a woman. Men and women aren't clones of each other with different genitals, they have very different strengths and…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 07:27 PM
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17 is underage. Has nothing to do with this conversation. I'm talking about adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 07:23 PM
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Huh? What gives you the impression I think badly of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 07:22 PM
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Wow, playing the victim so fast. Nothing I said was ad hominem. But the fact that you're claiming it is basically admits you know I'm right so you can't address my actual point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 07:22 PM
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I'm not talking about underage women. I'm talking about adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 07:20 PM
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All the language around this is toxic. "Targetted", as if a man hitting on an adult woman make him a predator simply because he's a little older. What about the women who want that attention? If you don't like older dudes, just reject them like any other man you don't like. Nobody is forcing you to date them. But acting like them trying to hit on women they like makes them some kind of predators, that's sick and cruel.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 07:19 PM
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What about the younger women who like older dudes? Do they not get a voice?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 07:17 PM
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No I'm not, stop gaslighting. There are comments like that on this sub. because most younger women don't want older men lol So? What about those who do? Why do degenerate trash think it's their business to interfere with, control and destroy those relationship? They just think you're a creep. LOL, I'm married, I don't care about lame shaming attempts from trash quality women like that. But nice try. People who pitch fits over age gap relationships are just degenerate control freak losers who can…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 07:14 PM
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That's fine, though. It's totally fine for your family to have concerns and give their input to protect you. I'm not against that and I think it's the duty of fathers to always protect and caution their daughters against possibly malicious men. However, in this case I'm talking about rando strangers trying to interfere in the relationships of other people simply because they don't like the man being older. For example, people admitting on PPD that they lied to a coworker that her husband was che…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 07:10 PM
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I'm not sure how this is related to my point. My point is the degenerate freaks who rage about age gap relationships use the same kind of lies, shaming, threats and excuses to stop age gap relationships that homophobic people do to stop gay relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 07:05 PM
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Moronic. Why is it your business how strangers arrange their relationships? You want to throw everyone back to the 19th century where nobody was allowed to marry outside their class. It's degenerate and regressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 07:03 PM
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younger women choosing not to date them No, I've see people on this sub admit to intentionally fucking up relationships where a younger woman wanted to date and older guy, either by shaming and scaring the younger women, lying to her, or threatening the older guy. When I was 18-24 I had quite a few older men show interest in me, sometimes pretty aggressively and it always grossed me out then and it still does now Right. But for some reason you seem incapable of understand that every woman in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 07:01 PM
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People are concerned the younger man or woman is being victimized. No they aren't. It's just concern trolling. Homophobes and racists aren’t concerned; they’re repulsed. They pretend to be concerned just like the age gap haters. They don’t give a shit about the people in the relationship. They think they’re both doing something immoral. Exactly the same as the degenerate freaks who are crying about age gap. They don't care that the people in relationship are happy, they just want to fuck up the …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 06:59 PM
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It's like materialistic people like you can't imagine that people would marry for reason besides power or money. God forbid a rich person find a poor girl to be cute or sweet, pretty or fun to be around or kind or something. That can't happen in your fantasy world, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 06:54 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 06:52 PM
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Not approving is based on the assumption that the people in those relationships are stupid or evil. Without assuming that, there's no reason to disapprove.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 06:52 PM
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I never said it should be literally illegal for a 30 y/o to date a 22 y/o. But a lot of age gap haters do. That's my point here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 12:03 AM
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The places where the rationalization is near identical is "you're too stupid / immature to make your own decisions" and "anyone who is attracted to the people you are attracted to is evil, so you're evil". Happens both in age gap and gay relationships. For example, it's common (especially in Asia) for lesbians to be told they only like women because they are "young and stupid" and they will "grow out of it" so the parents or other family will "break them up for their own good". It's common for b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:58 PM
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The people trying to break those relationships up and take the choice away from the younger women on who she wants to be with.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:55 PM
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when the girl is underage That's of course a crime and should be shamed. Most of the time it’s just normal internet shit talking. Maybe, but I've had people admit on this sub even to doing some pretty evil things IRL to destroy an age gap relationship they didn't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:54 PM
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I can’t dictate other people’s preferences but I can express my displeasure when I’m the one the preference is for. That's fair. What other women do with their lives is out of my control but I can give my advice. The problem is that you were trying to speak for other women and project your preferences on them. "Caring" for someone by projecting and enforcing your preferences onto them is similar to what a lot of abusive parents do. For example: "you don't need to ask my daughter what she wants, …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:51 PM
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You may be a legal adult from 18-25, but in that age range your brain is still doing so much development and changing. The problem with this logic is while what you said is right (about the brain) this kind of logic could be used against anyone who is young but legally and adult to infantilize them and take away their rights. In the end, adults need to make their own decisions regardless of their age (as long as it's over 18). Some people are smarter than others too, and dumber people are easier…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:48 PM
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Nope, that's absolutely a lie. The women crying the most are the same women who are buying clothes made by 12 year old girls in Cambodian sweatshops. They literally do not care. It's just concern trolling from a bunch of control freak degenerates.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:41 PM
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I can comment that I think it’s weird if someone is dating a person young enough to be their child. No, that's not bullying, certainly. You are entitled to share you opinion, of course. But that's not what I'm seeing from the many of the degenerate freaks who cry about age gaps on this sub. More that they are lying to people they know to try and break up their relationships and promoting abuse, shaming, and violent threats towards men who date younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:39 PM
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Just because you and the entire male sex do not have the capacity for empathy 🤡 I have empathy with both the men and women in happy age gap relationships that have to deal with people like you constantly abusing and trashing them 24/7. Women will look out for women they don't know. 100% false. Such women who pretend to care type their "concerns" on smartphones who's batteries are made using African child slave labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:37 PM
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the survivors of age gap relationships are more likely to tell exploitive if not horrific tales of the experience. Totally ridiculous. First, pretending they are "survivors" and second making the completely baseless claim that a majority of age gap relationships are somehow exploitative. Their success and great outcomes would advocate better than their participants The degenerate freaks who are obsessed with hating age gap relationships simply ignore every positive outcome and cherry pick the ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:35 PM
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but they’re just more likely to be. Based on what? I've not seen a single statistic that backs up this claim. The second point is also, so what? It's still two consenting adults who want to be with each other, it's not the right of rando degenerates to interfere. Maybe close friends and family will comment but likely not pry too much because it is considered kinda rude and it makes people feel defensive. I've seen people here on PPD flat out admit to lying to a coworker about her husband cheatin…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:30 PM
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Well, what I'm saying is that if, theoretically, 9 out of every 10 age-gap relationships were predatory, that'd be reason to take action. It's actually still not a reason. You can't interfere with the relationships of consenting adults. Freedom of association is a fundamental human right.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:28 PM
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I’m not pretending, I do care. If it's someone you know, maybe you care. If it's someone you don't know, you're pretending to care. Most of the discussions here are about people trying to stop / meddle in / control / police the relationships of strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:26 PM
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I have the right to think it’s gross and creepy But you don't have the right to try and break up their relationship, try to bully them into breaking up, or attack them in some other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:25 PM
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Of course you can apply, the rationalization is the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:24 PM
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Why? There's no reason to ask that question at all unless you're looking for an excuse to police other people's relationships. There are many relationship types that could have a higher chance of being predatory, (rich dude, poor girl, maybe) but nobody makes a big deal about them like age gap relationships because they know that in the end, it's two consenting adults who need to make their own decisions and possible mistakes. Only in age gap relationships, there is this desperate need to infant…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:22 PM
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We're not talking about relationships with underage people. assault is already a crime So the people trying to do it are criminals and scum, aren't they?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:17 PM
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Older men do prey on younger women for dishonest reasons. The same can go the other way. Equal age partners can also be predatory. Singling out age gap relationships for special abuse is the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:16 PM
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Again, so what? Two. Consenting. Adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:14 PM
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"interfere" how? Oh, we have people here who admit to wanting to violently assault people in age gap relationships, try to make it illegal, try to break up the relationships. It's not about opinions, it's about control.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:14 PM
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So. What. Why is it your business? Both people still are consenting adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:13 PM
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The assumption that one party is the victim just based on their age is the same as the assumption that someone isn't thinking straight just because of their sexual orientation. It's the same bigoted basis for "straight re-education camps". The problem is that nobody is the victim in an age gap relationship any more than any other kind of relationship. It's just two consenting adults. The control freak degenerates who can't get that into their head are the ones who are most dangerous to everyone …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:12 PM
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I don’t date them but I’m allowed to not like the way others perceive me. That's not what we're talking about though. You're pretending to be concerned for other women you don't know, women who very well could have no problem with the men you hate. Your preferences are your right and your own. But the minute you start thinking you can choose other people's preferences, there's a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:03 PM
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Pretending to care about the safety of people you don't know to push your agenda onto them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:01 PM
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My question isn't a gotcha either. You're just missing the point. This isn't a sub full of fathers complaining about who their daughter is dating. This is a sub full to randos who are obsessed with crying about age gap relationships complaining about who completely strangers are dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:01 PM
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I'm not lying. I've been on this sub long enough to see all the posts women make crying about age gap relationships also. why are you so aggressive about this Because the people who cry about age gap relationships are evil, dangerous and violent. I've literally had them admit to breaking up relationships and a desire to bully, abuse and violently assault men who date younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:57 PM
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An 18 year old isn't a kid. If an 18 year old loves a 30 year old, you're also abusing the 18 year old when you attack the person they love.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:56 PM
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The women leave FUCKED UP. None of your damn business what relationships adults choose to have. You could use the same control freak excuses to interfere with gay marriages too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:44 PM
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I remember being an 18 year old and how pissed I would be if some control freak loser rando tried to give me that list of reasons like the one above why I can't choose who I date. I probably would have smashed your face in, and my attitude about it hasn't changed with age. I never understand all the (mainly American) loser degenerates who think they have the right to tell other adults who they should date. Layering on all that extra concern trolling and lies about pretending to care is every mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:42 PM
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It's just that most people with age gap relationships are happy and don't think it's abnormal, so they don't expect the insane bullying and abuse that comes from American randos about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:38 PM
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100%.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:37 PM
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there exist age gap relationships which *are* predatory? Most aren't. This is just a common excuse that control freak degenerates use to try and control and police age gap relationships. The "we're doing it because we're worried" concern trolling lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:37 PM
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Yep, always a sign of crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:35 PM
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Its annoying to compete with older men..i find it honorless and desperate What do older men owe you? Nothing. Only desperate and low impulsive guys think young women are just superior. Most men think that younger women are more attractive. That’s literally the only reason an older guy gets ANY love from a younger women, status or money. That's such a pathetic lie you tell yourself. Older men who take care of themselves can be plenty attractive and interesting. Because they are easily manipulated…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:34 PM
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That's pretty trash behavior for you to do that. Way worse than a 30 something dating a 20 something.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:32 PM
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We are just worried for the safety of the young woman No you're not. You're a concern trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:30 PM
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That's false. It's just concern trolling by control freak degenerates looking to meddle in stranger's relationships. Unless we're talking about someone they know personally, the age gap haters don't care at all about the people they are pretending to "save".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:29 PM
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Naw, you're just projecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:28 PM
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I think it’s disgusting that men I think are elderly are looking at me in a sexual way. Then don't date them. Nobody is forcing you too. What's weird is you want to force young women who do like older men to not love / date the men they like. That's why anti-age-gap cultists are so psychotic. I am concerned for myself and other women like me. You're 100% not concerned at all. Total concern trolling BS to cover up tyrannical control freak desires. This is cope on your part because I’m sure it hur…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:25 PM
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Anyone who wants to police the relationships of consenting adults they don't even know is definitely in the wrong. I worry a lot more about the degenerate trash who are trying to control other people's relationships than people actually in age gap relationships. I think they are a much bigger threat to everyone around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:23 PM
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No it's not. It's none of your damn business. It's two adults making their own choices about what they like in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:21 PM
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but an 18 year old is still or very recently no longer under their parents care, in high school, not paying bills, no job, no real life experience. Either you treat them like an adult or you don't. You can't have it both ways. If they have rights, they have the freedom too. Doesn't matter what a bunch of control freak degenerates think about their choices. and would prevent my son from dating too much older than he is So you're literally interfere with your children's dating / relationship choic…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:19 PM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:18 PM
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Either way is fine. Why do people even think it's their business?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:18 PM
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99% created by men That's a lie. It's about 50/50. be considered whining Because it's about a bunch of crybaby control freak degenerates trying to shame consenting adults into abandoning their happy relationships. Do you just don't want them to respond at all? Honestly, no. I think age gap relationship discussions should be banned from PPD period. Too many American control freak losers can't understand that other people's relationships are none of their business. It's the same as people constant…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:16 PM
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I didn't accuse anyone specific of coping, I was just making a general statement about blackpill thinking. Also, I didn't violate the rule: the use of the word "cope" in a low effort comment As my comment is not some low effort comment, I'm just making a general point about FDS and blackpill thought process.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:11 PM
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So you think fathers should decide for their daughters who they should marry? But the main problem with Americans is they don't understand that what relationships strangers choose to have is none of their f\cking business*.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:08 PM
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She blocked me after I exposed her for being literal garbage so no link. It think there's a way to search the sub for keywords though and you should be able to find it. She admitted in a comment that she lied to a coworker to convince the coworker her husband was cheating, just so she could to break them up because she thought the husband was "too old". She actually managed to ruin the marriage and trick the coworker into getting divorced for no reason (according to her own words). She also said…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:03 PM
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Nope, there was a woman throwing a massive tantrum about age gaps about two weeks ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 06:08 PM
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Both.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 06:08 PM
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I've seen women make posts whining about age gap relationships all the time on this sub. You're just gaslighting here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 05:10 PM
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I think it's just Americans in general. Americans are super controlling and tyrannical and want to impose their beliefs on how they think people's relationships should be on everyone in the world. Americans simply cannot let other people live the way they want and be happy without pitching a tantrum. Age gaps are a non-issue countries in most other countries that's aren't psychotic like America.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 04:55 PM

how courts work- it could take a long time. Again, it seemed to work fine in the 1960's, I don't think America's entire court system was boggled down by endless divorce cases. Also, it works fine in my country. Also, fault divorce is not about if the divorce is allowed or not, it's about who gets assets and support afterwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:53 PM
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Nearly position that starts with: women... or men... There's way too much black and white thinking on this sub that basically ignores the nuance and variety present in real life people and relationships. Lots of people here like to use these sweeping generalizations about women or men that have no basis in reality, i.e., don't represent a significant percentage of the people the generalization supposedly covers. Don't get me wrong, generalizations are useful when they are mostly accurate. But mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:48 PM
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is also a plus It's not a requirement, I said it's a beneficial extra. It's also not "double standards" because men and women are different. Acting like everything in relationships should be the same for both genders is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:44 PM

You can't even do basic logic it seems. Just because you don't think a man's attractive doesn't mean his wife / girlfriend thinks he's unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:42 PM

Yet fault divorce existed before and it rarely took years to adjudicate. Also, we have fault divorce in my country and it's never really a big problem for anyone. The courts aren't full of long, drawn out divorce cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:40 PM

Black pill is a delusion and a lie that people tell themselves to justify their own failures and lack of effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:31 PM

woman gets nothing You act like women don't enjoy sex also and that all the other emotional and material benefits of relationships don't exist. Again, it's like you've never interacted with real humans in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:27 PM

Which is completely irrelavent to whether they feel entitled to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:25 PM

Most men are unattractive to women. That's again a lie that you seem to be doubling down on with no evidence. Most men are not unattractive to the woman who they are dating or married to. Because in most cases the women would not choose to be with him, if he was unattractive to her. What you confuse with "attraction" is just the fun and excitement a woman gets from having a new sexual partner. Once the honeymoon fades so will her desire to fuck. You sound like someone who's only knowledge of hum…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:22 PM

Not in the way you're talking about though. Gay / bi men want sex too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:19 PM
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Yes, I think it's a sign of insecurity, for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:16 PM

Doesn't mean I can't see how men act in their relationships. My wife and I are friends with many couples, where we know both the girl and the guy and there's zero indication the guy thinks like you claim. Again, guys discuss how they feel about women with each other all the time. I've never meet a guy in my life who thought like you claim men do. I think you're just a liar and you know you're lying, because you need some excuse to hate on men. The only men I've ever interacted with that sound li…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:12 PM

I'm a man with male friends and nobody I know IRL acts like you describe. You are either a liar, or you have no experience with normal men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:08 PM

Have you ever dated a man? Men feel incredibly entitled to sex. They're thought from birth they're entitled to women and girls bodies for their own pleasure. Totally insane statement, unhinged babbling. Most men don't feel like this at all. Most men from a young age are taught they have to work for / earn love and affection from a girlfriend / wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:04 PM

Women don’t lust after men through visual stimulus anywhere close to the rate that men do for women. They need face to face interaction in order to determine a man’s attractiveness in a holistic sense and for most of human history that wasn’t an issue. 100% right. but in reality what we’re seeing are soft harems, where an increasing number of women are sharing the same elite set of highly desirable men In America and the anglo-west. Just a reminder that outside that bubble this isn't happening m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:02 PM

No fault divorce is about cheating women not facing consequences for their actions. It's nothing to do with "being more free". Why don't you want cheaters to face consequences, I wonder?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:01 PM

Completely delusional statement. Just because people are in love doesn't mean things can't happen later in a relationship that breaks it up. Also, even in America, 50% of couples stay together, as the divorce rate is 50%. I think 80% of the time people talk about falling in love is just a way to rationalize their lust That's what I'd expect and always online black piller with zero social skills and very few experiences with IRL humans to day. But it's totally moronic and unhinged and not true at…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:58 AM

This doesn't have to do with a lack of initial attraction. Dead bedrooms are just a sign of bad couple skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:52 AM

Straight women for the most part love male sexuality as long as it comes from a guy they like, which is as expected and normal. Most men aren't attractive to women, they just settle when they eventually want to have a family. Delusional and false. In most cases, women marry men they are attracted too. I actually made a thread asking women of PPD how they ended up in their LTR and EVERY STORY started with her being attracted to her future boyfriend / husband either because how he looked or acted …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:51 AM
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the question is "you wanna go to the US or you wanna stay?" The answer is stay. My wife is Georgian and grew up in Georgia and due to me having a US citizen parent (despite not spending much time in the US) she had the option to move there with me. We talked about moving to the US and both of us strongly wanted to stay here. We've been married for 3 years and haven't even applied for a green card for her. We only started talking about it because it would give her VISA free to visit some countrie…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:26 AM
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That's false. The divorce rate between white men + asian women is lower than the divorce rate of asian men + asian women. So the white men might be getting girls that are a bit outside the mainstream, but they aren't getting as low quality as they would find in the west, as there relationships are clearly working out.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:22 AM
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Red Pillers here brag about how easy European and Asian chicks are Nice wishful thinking / pathetic insult attempt. Totally disconnected from reality though. A lot of European men these days are taking it up the ass from Muslim refugees No. Just more pathetic wishful thinking on your part. Sounds like you know nothing about Europe at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:21 AM
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That's an interesting point, I didn't think about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 12:37 AM
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Opportunity for money, paper and a better life. Not at all. This is the delusion that most Americans tell themselves to cope with how bad their country is to live in. Most people worldwide don't want to move, and those who do usually want to move somewhere else. America is a second or third choice if the other options don't pan out. All those people flooding your border are the because they have no hope of making it into places like Europe, Japan, Korea, or Australia. Not because they are desper…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 12:29 AM
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Where and to who? Also, I live in Europe. Most American women are seen as easy here. That's why men are interested in them. Same for Russian women. That's just the way it is. Are there exceptions? Sure. But most of the time, that's the dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 12:23 AM
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SMV different than RMV also papers. For sure. American girls are seen as an easy lay.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 12:23 AM
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American men are not racist by most country's standards. It sounds like you haven't been many other places outside America. average looking blonde who is treated like a supermodel in Italy. Probably because she was assumed to be easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 12:21 AM
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It is usually the ones who want progressive dynamics and would go against their family's wishes. True.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 12:12 AM
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but many people in second/third world states want a green card. Completely BS. Just because you wanted it doesn't make most people like you. the choices of these people are not "fuck off to Japan" or "move to the US". Their choices are "move to the US" or "stay home". Yes, that's why if their situation is bad the US looks like a good option. It doesn't mean that's actually option they want. If they could go somewhere better, they would. For example, most Georgians, if given the choice of "any ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 12:05 AM
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USA does not have appeal only in EU, Japan, Korea, Australia etc. The US has ZERO appeal in those places. Most of the people in those countries would never move the US. Even where I live, in a poorer Eastern European country, a majority of people either want to stay here, or move to Western Europe. Moving to the US it not the favored option for most people. In fact, a lot of people have recent come back from the US because the US it "too crazy" for them (gender politics, American's attitudes, et…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 12:01 AM
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Heheh, no worries, the spelling can be hard for Georgian last names. You mean Merab Dvalishvili (MMA fighter) yes? Not a big MMA fan myself but he's a really a cool dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 11:58 PM
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Now all Americans are stereotyped as fat, lazy, and egotistical. The places I've been people still have relatively positive impressions of Americans. Probably the countries that were the most negative were Germany and China. I think that stereotype is very prominent in western Europe (and it's relatively accurate). The problem for Americans is the internet exists, to the rest of the world interacts with them a lot more, and it's really apparent that lots of Americans are arrogant, know nothing, …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 07:40 PM
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Americans are seen relatively positively in my country but they aren't idolized, I'd say. I think in developed countries like Sweden which have a better quality of life than America, Americans really don't have any advantages over locals so Americans aren't seen as anything special. Japan could be an exception to this rule as Americans are seen quite positively there, despite Americans having zero respect for the people, country and culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 07:33 PM
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Makes sense. There's were always been some niches where American women are popular. For example, American women are seen pretty positively by Japanese men (then again, American men are also seen very positively by Japanese women). But overall, American men tend to be more popular and American women are not seen as desirable for anything but easy sex. Also, American / anglo women should take that as a warning, if they do go overseas thinking they will "find love" most non-American men aren't goin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 07:29 PM
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No idea about that. But I can speak for Eastern Europe, Asia, and South America. Actaully I've heard that fat blond American women are kind of popular in Africa (African men usually like big women and blondes are exotic).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 07:27 PM
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I'll take note of that. I'm totally unfamiliar with the Carribian so you could tell me everyone there liked to eat bananas stuffed with jalepenos and I'd probably believe you. It's one of the few areas the world I have zero experience with (never been friends or even had a long conversation with anyone from there, never traveled there).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 07:24 PM
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100%. Same in Georgia. You're not sleeping with a girl unless you've proposed already. In some cases, you should be married already. Lots of women have male family members that are assigned to monitor their "chastity", especially outside the capital (the capital is more lax and metropolitian). If you touch her expect to get your face caved in. But American (and Russian) women will lay down and open up for any 165 cm ( 5'5" ) Georgian guy with charisma (all Georgian guys learn rizz by age 7, it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 07:16 PM
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When I've been overseas (especially in France, mon deu!) people of both sexes were trying to get into my pants! Of course, because American women have a reputation for being easy. Like in my country, Georgian guys are like sharks going in for a kill as soon as they see an America woman. But Georgian guys only marry Georgian women. People worldwide love American celebrities (actual ones) especially female celebrities. I've never seen people so fascinated with the Kardashians in my entire life. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 07:11 PM
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You are delusional if you think most people overseas want a green card. Americans always greatly over-estimate the value of living in their country and a green card. America actually has the worst quality of life, most violent crime, poorest education system and one of the highest costs of living in the OECD. Most people in poor countries who want to move would prefer different countries, like countries in Western Europe, UK, or Japan. Most people don't even have a bad enough life that they want…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 07:07 PM
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But that is not the prevailing international stereotype. The prevailing international stereotype of American men is quite positive (probably more than it should be) and everything I said about the advantages of American men is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 07:03 PM
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Most make an exception for Americans. (Also I edited my previous comment to add info, read it if you have a chance). Like Japanese and Chinese for sure, and I'm pretty sure Thai do too. Also, Georgians (where I live) definitely give Americans (and foreigners in general) more freedom to violate cultural norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 07:01 PM
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American men have some good qualities also. They tend to be nicer and less controlling, more friendly and affectionate, and they tend to be financially secure or well off compared to local standards. American men also tend to be more laid back, it's a way for women get out from under a lot of the local social rules and mindset in more strict cultures (think Asia), as an American husband won't expect as much from her, won't make as many rules, and will appreciate what she does for him more. Also,…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 06:55 PM
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Those kinds of passport bros usually get scammed and go home. But there are lots of smart passport bros that don't lead with money, actually learn the language and culture, and have good results. You have to get out of the bubble of "America chaser" women who speak English and break into the local dating market in the local language. Then American men will usually have an advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 06:52 PM
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That's why they are mid. But they still have more appeal than American women. Especially the men who move overseas and become normal weight due to diet / more active lifestyle. Also, in every country some percentage of the country idolizes Americans, so there are always "America chasers".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 06:50 PM
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Maybe she's top tier, IDK. It's also possible lots of men know that American girls are easy and they are just looking for a quick pump and dump.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 06:48 PM
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It doesn't work the other way around because American women don't have the same appeal internationally as American men do. On a global RMV scale, American men are mid-tier, while American women are bottom-tier. Also, American women tend to be much pickier than everyone else while offering much less in return. In sales terms, it's just a bad deal for most men. Paying Ritz Carlson prices for a Motel 6 experience. Also, the minority of American women are genuninely top tier have a wealth of options…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 06:39 PM
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Again, you're living in clownworld America-brain bubble. Most women simply don't switch partners that easily. There's something called love and there's also something called sunk costs that most women are just as supseptable to as men. unchecked proclivity towards hedonic utilitarianism This is an American culture problem and nothing to do with women. Americans in general tend to be hyper-materialist consoomers, narcissist and hedonist. That's what the culture encourages and promotes. AWALT Don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:38 PM
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Women consistently fail the stress test of loyalty that true marriage requires. No they don't, actually. Women are generally more loyal than men. Maybe in the clownworld America bubble it's different, but in the real world, women tend to be more loyal. Men are the ones who fail. In my country, 80% of the cheating and divorces are initiated by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:34 PM

You choose to stay around them instead of joining social groups where men are more normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:33 PM

So? Most guys in their 20's are ready for the responsibility of a serious relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:29 PM

No, that's just a self-delusion. IRL most guys are ending up with wives / girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 02:23 PM

I think lots of red pillers obsess to much about "displays of dominance" because they have deep, delusional insecurity that women will run way from them they minute they aren't "super Alpha" and show any kind of humanity, emotions, or normal consideration to other people. I think IRL none of this stuff really matters, and putting on performative displays of dominance like "you will tell me your number" just piss people off including women. It's one thing to be a leader, it's another to be a tyra…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 02:19 PM
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Moronic babble disconnected from reality. Most men aren't attractive. Most men have wives / girlfriends and women interested in them. 'Be attractive' is just more black pill clown world BS. Nobody says that being attractive doesn't help, but not being attractive isn't some kind of instant dating death sentence. Only people with no social skills and very little IRL dating experience thing that being attractive is the be-all-end-all in dating. That said, cold approach works bad for everyone and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:49 PM
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For sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:43 PM
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Oh, I see. I'm not a fan of the average western feminist either so we're on the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:41 PM
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I notice that even OP left that one out. Because is probably also aware of the statistics. The average American woman is obese by Europe standards. The slightly-above-average American woman would still be a 4 at best in France. I did leave it out. But this totally true. I love those "4K walking tour of places in the world" videos and sometimes I just zone out and watch them an hour or more at a time. Whenever they are set in American cities (for example, Vegas), the number of fat people on the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:39 PM
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And a lot more are just plain ignorant. Russian/CCP propaganda in English has gotten pretty damn good. It has. There's a disturbingly high number of Americans who simp for and worship terrorist Putin and the CCP. until 2022, Yea, I've heard from Russians that have got out (we have too many here in Georgia unfortunately) that Russia's dictatorship has really cracked down hard on everything since they attacked Ukraine. Trouble is that in the US it's mostly the same in addition to having every Kare…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:35 PM
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Even hypergamous behavior isn't AWALT. Like most women generally try to date up, that's a given. However, the extreme level that red pillers claim women act for hypergamy is just a lie. Most women aren't looking to divorce their husbands the minute a higher earner walks into their sight line.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:32 PM
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Not to the extremist level that red pillers claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:30 PM
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Yep, red pill is all about what men can do to make things better for them. I think lots of blackpillers are pretending to be red pill these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:30 PM
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The red pill itself fully admits that it's over for the majority of men That's not the original red pill at all. The original red pill was about how most men can have a decent chance if they looksmaxx, get their finances in order, and learn social skills and game. This doomer blackpill version of red pill is a totally useless and self-destructive ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:28 PM
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“If it works, it’s red pill; if doesn’t work, you weren’t doing red pill right” That's a huge part of it. I see that all the time. Red pill doomers: "If a woman acts badly, all women are like that; if a women is kind, considerate, loving, then she's just waiting to stab you in the back".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:27 PM
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So in every other first world country the rich and poor happily intermarry and there are no class differences? In my country rich and poor live in the same neighboorhoods, sometimes in the same buildings. Rich and poor intermarry all the time. Our income inequality is about 1/2 what yours is in America. Your malfunctioning America-brain just can't handle the fact that other countries aren't as extremist as yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:24 PM
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Yes every other country is a completely egalitarian society where nobody accomplishes anything impressive You keep using extremist strawman, which basically is you admitting you can't engage with my actual point, which is that celebrity worship and status obessions is far more pronounced in America in than in other places. My argument has never been that nobody cares about status in other places, just that nobody care about it like Americans do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:23 PM
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What I see said about women by doomer red pillers on this sub directly contradicts my whole life experience with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:21 PM

Except they don't. That's not what I'm seeing IRL. Most men are getting women they are quite happy with, to show off to their friends and family, and they enjoy being with. Women who clearly love them and like being with them also.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:11 PM

I know tons of lonely men. You're actually the ones surrounding yourself with men who have the same doomer, bitter, blame-the-world, victimhood attitude as you. This will become the cornerstone of the coming conservative (counter) revolution. There's nothing conservative about being a conspiratard doomer. Conservative thought is what red pill used to be, that is, any man can overcome his situation by skill and hard work on himself to give himself at least a decent chance to find a good woman. Al…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 11:48 AM

Exactly same situation for me. Like even the ugliest dude I know ( who is a nice / kind / cool person in personality but probably a 3/10 in looks ) just got married to a reasonably good looking ( by American standards ) woman who's been in love with him for years ( literally, she's been the one chasing him ).... and this was in America where the dating / gender dynamics are the worst in the world. All the doomer BS like the OP is spreading is totally disconnected from the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 11:45 AM

Since sex is becoming exclusively for women and absolute top tier men who were gifted by the gods themselves Insane statement totally divorced from reality. Most men have or have had girlfriends or wives. Like WTF is this clown world babble? Also, most men can improve their odds alot by simply getting fit and improving their social skills / game. Stop believing / spreading the pathetic like that everything is determined by genetics. Spreading that degenerate lie where everything is set by geneti…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 11:42 AM

I'm average woman height in my location and I barely ever met a met a man my height or even shorter than me. Yep, I've noticed the same from the man's perspective. Where I live, I almost never see women taller than me, though maybe 10% are close to the same height. On second thought, it is kind of weird how I ended up with a disproportionate number of tall women in my life... asian men living in western countries and few outlier men that are really signinficantly shorter than average For sure. F…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 10:20 PM

From America. You're aware America is an extreme outlier right, or do you subscribe to fantasy that everywhere else is just like America but with different languages?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 10:15 PM

If it’s not important to them, then why do they keep claiming it is? It's something strange about the culture, lots of Americans love to show off or feel superior to everyone else and having a very tall guy might do that for some women. But in the end they can't actually tell a few inches difference so when it really comes to dating they don't pull out the measuring tape they just go with their feeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 10:13 PM

There are quite a few countries where the average height for both men and women are taller then America. America isn't one of the tallest countries. Also, everyone in the world uses cm for height. American unit are the weird ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 10:09 PM

Yea, facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 10:07 PM

No, I haven't experienced that at all anywhere. Most of my friends are just average height and I'm only a little over average, and height has never been an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 10:07 PM

I’m 5’7 and would prefer someone to be 5’9 or above 5'9" ( 175cm ) is the US average for men's heights, so I think that's totally reasonable. My sister is 6’1 so that’s more of an issue lol Fair, for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 09:56 PM

My ex rejected numerous guys for being too short and they were taller than me. Yep, in the end it's about the vibe for women. Women will happily reject guys over trivial reason if they don't feel it, but accept a guy without their "requirements" if they do. On the one hand, it's bad for guys who want everything to spelled out for them like a list of programming rules. But on the other head, it's nice to know nothing is set in stone when it comes to attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 09:54 PM

But then again, to your point, America. Ahh, yep. But even in the US a lot of women may say it, but if they meet you IRL they aren't going to pull out a measuring tape, as long as you're a bit taller and they like other things about you, I think it's OK. I've heard stories from guys in America who say they are like 5'10", just claim they are 6', and no girls can tell the difference, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 09:50 PM

False. I'm friends / acquaintances with Slavic and German women and I've watched who they date. They don't care about height that much. One of the girls that I slept with who was really into me, was Polish and taller than me. In fact, I've been with two Polish girls (one was half Swedish), the taller girl and one almost the exact same height as me. Height was never an issue. So you're just not living in reality. Typical doomer American brainwashing "hurr derp everyone will be like us soon hurr d…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 09:46 PM

The difference would be true in time too. Even in most rich, developed countries women don't have the same extreme height fetish as America. America is just an outlier due to it's bizarre, extremist culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 09:34 PM

but I’m also 5’10 Yea, that's totally understandable, but you're unusually tall for a women (not bad, my sister is that tall too, somehow she got the tall gene in my family, LOL). I don’t know why a short or even average-height woman would care about wanting a 6 foot + man Yep, it's strange when I see like 152cm ( 5'3" ) women demand 183cm ( 6' ) tall minimum man. But I mostly saw that when I was in America (and still in American media), outside the US I don't see any women making those kinds of…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 09:30 PM
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Why do *some men, try to convince virginal & low n count women to have sex without marriage/commitment? Because they are selfish and immature. It's a good red flag to see what guys to avoid, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 06:50 PM

I mean, should we apply that logic to the right to vote? Totally different situation. Voting is about rights under the law. Relationships are about two people's free association with each other and their personal choices on how to do so. It's just that if men are consistently expected to give 70%, even if men are tired, don't want to, or are having a hard time doing, there's something wrong with him, but if a woman gives 30% in return she's an awesome person and so loving and caring. Who is expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 05:36 PM

Men and women are different, it's not a matter of equality. Relationships are also highly personal, which I think lots of people on this sub don't understand. What you contribute vs. what your wife contributes is up to you two. There is no "relationship enforcer" that tells everyone their relationships should be 50/50 and that would be tyranical and stupid if it existed. This materialistic, transactional view of relationships is totally toxic towards having a real relationship with a real person…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 03:23 PM
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Yes, you are a clown.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 02:33 PM

Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 02:33 PM
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I making a description of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:58 AM
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That's fair somewhat but the material becomes irrelevant if the average red piller doesn't believe what it says and presents something else as red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:57 AM
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Are you taking drugs? Women spend orders of magnitude more time on their appearance than men. The vast majority of skincare products are bought and used by women. The vast majority of "anti-aging" products, the vast majority of plastic surgury, the vast majority of makeup, the vast majority of clothing, are used by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:44 AM
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You sound like some woke feminist clown but you just switched the genders on all the buzzwords and propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:41 AM
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What a pathetic gaslight to try and get me to ignore reality and join your delusional clown world. I have eyes, I can look around. Women are generally more asthetically pleasing than men on average. There's also nothing inferior about men being uglier, men don't rely on beauty to attract women. Even an attractive man (to most women) is typically not beautiful. I have no clue why you red piller clowns keep picking these weird, delusional obsessions to lie about and then double down on. Why are yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:33 AM
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You're not getting it. Most people don't share your clownworld obsession with blaming the other gender for all their problems and trying to ramp up a destructive social conflict between genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:27 AM
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So you want to take away women's right to choose their partners? You're like a 12th century barbarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:25 AM
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So all / most women just spend all day going around telling men they will "never be good enough no matter what they do"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:24 AM
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Are you actually triggered by me not presenting the truth in the "right way" to you? Ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:21 AM
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No, that's red pill in 2024. I am right and it's backed up by the endless stream of doomer lies from red pillers right here on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:18 AM
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Not from what I see from red pillers in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:17 AM

The average woman is shaped like humpty dumpty wearing cheap yoga pants with noses that take up 60% of their face. Sorry, but your mega-obese country doesn't count for this discussion. Also, American women are extra ugly anyways. Not representative at all of women in general. Touch grass. You introverted ppd users are so clueless and pathetic to the world beyond your phones. Always weird when always online clowns with no real world experience try to pretend they know more about life than me. "Hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 12:56 AM
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Red pill used to tell men to do that. Now red pill is infested by doomer trash who just throw tantrums and play victim, while blue pillers are telling men to "man up", i.e. improve themselves for better results. It's a strange reversal of just a few years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:05 PM
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You have to understand, the red pill cope is that everything is genetic so it doesn't matter what men do, they have no chance and women are oppressing them. Admitting that men have agency to improve their own lives and dating prospects fundamentally undermines the red piller victimhood narrative, and makes them look stupid. So they will do or say anything to trick men into not self-improving.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:02 PM
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No it's not. Why are there so many doomer cockroaches infesting this sub, trying to pretend everything is genetic and men can't do anything to change themselves. What a clownshow. 🤡🤡
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 10:58 PM
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So many incoherent straw men in your comment. Your random confused babbling does prove that he's right about how unhinged and psychotic red pillers are.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 10:56 PM
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Men are on average uglier than women. Stop denying basic reality. Men don't need to be pretty to attract women, whereas to attract men being pretty is basically a requirement for women. So of course women are prettier. Also, why are you trying to pretend this is about red or blue pill? This is your own personal obsession with reality denial.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 10:54 PM
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female hivemind No such thing. It's American culture hivemind. In American culture, being attractive to men and being feminine is hated by nearly everyone. Go to another culture that doesn't despise femininity the way America does, and you won't see that kind of shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 07:51 PM
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Just want to add that it's impossible for most men to become the guy who "attracts woman" due to genetics That's false. That's the bitter doomer lie that men are told to keep them pathetic and subserviant. Most men have a reasonable chance with women if they looksmaxx (i.e., get fit, dress well, take care of their health) and develop strong social skills / game. Few men are born so ugly they can't attract women no matter what they do. Actually, lots of so-called "chads" don't have great genetics…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 07:47 PM
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The case of women chasing celebrities has nothing to do with average women's behavior or the average person. It's not about women chase men or not, it's about celebrities being a complete outlier in lots of ways and people who site celebrities are an example for normal people are moronic. If you think you have a point, make it without pathetically appealing to extreme outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 07:44 PM
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Right, but most won't do that because most people don't have or seek the kind of power to remove wide swaths of other people from existance.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:47 PM
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The first step is learning how to CREATE interest. Obviously, by what you say and how you take care for your self. I didn't say otherwise. It doesn't mean the other step isn't critical. If you just sit back passively and wait for some woman to give you signals you are going to be waiting a long ass time Worked fine for me. Create interest, wait for signals. You can also take action to move things faster. "What do I want men to do?" Nope, I never think that, you just made it up. your advice is na…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:19 PM
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No, they aren't. Unless you're measure level by something NOT SMV related like income, assets or age.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:15 PM
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https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/suicide-rates-among-young-people-who-mdb?uniformYAxis=1 If you average the suicide rate from 1990-2020 (or 2010-2020) Japan has the lower rate overall. Some years Japan is higher, but those are rarer than the years when the US is higher. Now, I'm not saying that the US rate is significantly worse, but that fact both countries are about the same pretty much debunks the idea that the Japanese system in uniquely bad compared to the US ( at least in youth psycholog…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:35 PM
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Playing the victim now? Pathetic. So you admit I'm right and you have no arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:33 PM
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It's higher in the US. For most of the last decade (2010-2020) suicide rates for the 15-19 cohort in Japan have been lower than the US. In fact factoring in all the years since 1990 the suicide rate for 15-19 has been still been higher in the US than Japan. The Japanese system is clearly producing healthier kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:28 PM
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It's not a biological rule, and the exception proves nothing in this case. You're just desperately reaching to hold your BS fantasies together. The real world doesn't work like your clown theories. Anyone can understand that trying to "prove" a general principle using extreme statistical outliers is desperate and moronic.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:21 PM
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Mandatory participation in group activities Yep, and more group activities in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:20 PM
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That's total BS. Japan actually has a lower suicide rate than America. The Japanese system has other issues but is excellent for building social bonds.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:18 PM
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Teach Americans that other countries exist and that compared to 30-40% the world, America is a dump not worth living in. Once Americans get out, they will realize that things aren't as crazy as their bubble and the decent, happy life ( including happy marriage / dating ) can still be achieved in many places.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:16 PM
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You're just in a bad market called America clown world. Go somewhere else and expectations aren't so out of wack.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:13 PM
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Unicorns. Literally. Celebrities are like 0.0001% of the population. You clown world brain seems to think everything you see on TV represents the life of regular people.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:12 PM

No, she's right. You're another one of those red piller clowns with zero IRL life experience who just babbles nonsense on the internet based on things you read.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:11 PM
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No men are basically told now, no matter how hard you work, you still aren't good enough. By who?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:10 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:09 PM
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Just because someone gives you something doesn't mean you have to pretend what they give you is valuable to you. Everyone has different things they value. Giving people random things they don't want doesn't entitle you to their appreciation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:08 PM
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I man, crying about how low value men can't hook up with high value women does seem like a kind of entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:07 PM
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So? Who cares. Become the kind of guy that attracts women and stop crying about how the "world is unfair".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:06 PM
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It's not hypocrisy for women it give sex to guys they like. Are you mentally ill? Are women supposed to hook up with dude they hate so everything will be "fair" to gender war clowns like you?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:05 PM
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It's not a war. That's the problem, and most people are not so invested in fighting the other gender like you. Most people just want to find a cute partner they like and get along with and enjoy their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:03 PM
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Nonsense babble. None of what you said is true. they love soy boys cause they are easier to control Most women don't. You could save a thousand puppies from a burning building and if your ugly it won't mean shit to women beyond liking the post on sm "to women" like they are all a hivemind - proof that you're a low-IQ clown. Some women will love it and swoon. Some will think it's cool but it won't increase their interest overall, some women won't care. There are tons of attractive dudes who get w…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:01 PM
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There will always be assholes who think of everything as a competition. Describes most red pillers and explains why they don't have good relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:57 PM
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Most couples are looksmatched Totally nonsense. Most couples are NOT looksmatched. There's usually a hotter one and an uglier one in nearly all cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:56 PM
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"dating people who like you is dating down" This is why all you red pillers are such toxic clowns and your advice is worthless to men. One of the best thing men can to be successful with women is learn how to identify signs of interest and only pursue women that show those signs. Otherwise, you waste your time chasing people who aren't interested. It's clown world moronic babble to tell men that they are "dating down" if they look for women that like them. What happened to red pill, seriously? E…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:54 PM
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Except it's not true. Of course it's true. Based on your post history, you're just some teenage / early-20's brat with zero life experience babbling about things you don't understand. it's only in very recent centuries that the female form was the sole idealization of beauty So? That's how it is today and everyone thinks of it that way. men were considered the more beautiful gender So? Do we live in ancient Greece? Also, "beautiful" men were portrayed in a very feminine way much of the time in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:41 PM
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Of course it is, but like all the bitter blackpill clowns you refuse to learn either so you wouldn't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:38 PM
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It's about game / social skills, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:53 AM
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Never seen the 80-20 rule IRL, and your example isn't proof of it either. It's an online-only phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:44 AM

Yet you have no girlfriend now and you sleep with prostitutes. Just another low quality man screwing around with low quality women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:28 AM

Still beta. You have sex with prostitutes because you can't get higher quality women. Prostitutes don't suddenly become someone you can proudly introduce to the family just because you aren't paying them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 10:54 PM
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Now you're playing the "burden of proof" game, because the one thing you know you can't do is look up actual scientific studies on the topic, because the minute you do, you lose. Have a nice day. Keep playing angtsy teenager games. But thanks for basically admitting that what you said is total BS and I / her were right all along. Bye now.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:11 AM
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Pair bonding is a pseudoscience No it's not. Just because a clown like you says it is, doesn't make it true. The scientific evidence is strong and you can look it up if you aren't afraid that it will prove me (and her) right.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:05 AM
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Men can be raped by women, i.e., be forced to penetrate a woman. Penis can get hard even if a man doesn't want it too. Weird that you don't know this because you're ( apparently ) a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:02 AM
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You can also cum from stimulating the penis head with a vibrator (or tongue) even without being hard. Usually, you'd get hard when you try that, but if you've already done it a few times in a short time, it might not get hard ( or will go halfway ) but it's still possible to cum while it's not hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:00 AM
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So no source other than "trust me bro" ok got it. No that's you. You just said "hurr durr trust me you're wrong". She said something that's so common knowledge and well evidenced in science that denying it is like denying that grass is green. Your denial is so ridiculous in the face of the evidence that the burden of supporting it is on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 12:58 AM
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That last bit is pure gibberish, nowhere is that true. No it's not gibberish. It's a well documented scientific fact that sex triggers a cocktail of hormones in both men and women designed to promote pair bonding.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 12:56 AM
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Like it seems every day PPD is filled up with new posts from people talking like they are experts about things they have no experience with. Like a guy who's never had a girlfriend talking how "bad" women are to date. Now it sounds like a guy who's never had sex trying to explain how sexual relationships work. how important being “hard” and staying “hard” is throughout the whole sexual process Really? Then how do lesbians have sex? What about eating her out? What about fingers? What about toys? …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 12:43 AM
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On average, they have a better shape. Doesn't mean every woman is a goddess and every man is a troll. There are some drop dead beautiful men and some hideous women. But if you take averages over the entire human population women are more beautiful than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 12:32 AM
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Men hate women in real life. No they don't. The vast majority of men in the world don't hate women. Like, they just don't. It's obvious from spending time in the real world and not on internet rage bait.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 12:29 AM
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You're trying to pretend that you suddenly don't have an opinion about a topic you commented on because you know you can't win the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 12:25 AM
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LOL, no, they definitely are. Some hairy, veiny, roided out man with a pockmarked face, who's never put on lotion in his life, with a slouch, duck feet, no ass, washes his hair every three days, and has a forest around his dick is prettier than the average, normal weight woman without makeup? I mean, are you blind, delusional, or just gaslighting because you don't want to admit you're wrong? There's a reason that straight men and women both agree that women are more beautiful on average. It's no…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 12:18 AM
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Probably. But cold approach is several levels harder. It's even worse for those kinds of people. It's like someone who can't run 100m saying "OK, i'll do the 500m race instead". Instead they should just work on the 100m until they can run it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 12:16 AM
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I'm taking about infant circumcision. Of course adults can choose whatever they want on their own bodies, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 12:13 AM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 12:06 AM
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Seriously? Look up what hobbies and groups are in your area and see if lots of women are doing them. Are you a teenager? Do you know how to adult? Clown.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 12:06 AM
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Join a hobby or activity that has mixed genders or mostly women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:24 PM
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It's not necessary and it's not legitimate. It should be banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:17 PM
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Sure, a start would be not trying to pick up drunk girls from clubs and bars. Then, learn social circle game, so you can go after women who are vetted by friends as not being crazy and not perpectually drunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:16 PM
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I think you're right on point. This is for sure the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:14 PM
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I genuinely think men would be healthier if we collectively stop focusing on meeting women at all. It see some merit in this, for me I think the right balance would be just trying to meet people and build social groups without pursuing women specifically. Then wait for women, if they are interested, to make it known somehow. That would make things less stressful for guys, I think. Culturally we are in a zeitgeist where there seems to be nothing but emnity towards men and men's sexuality. Mainly …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:13 PM
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Ahh, sure that's a better example.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:09 PM
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"group activities" usually involve women who are taken, unattractive women, a skewed male:female ratio, or it's frowned upon to flirt with women in that setting you're doing the wrong activities then They got these from cold approach, clubbing and online dating. They're probably lying about the number but even not, who cares? Sleeping with a bunch trash drunks isn't a win. That's no how you get a good relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:33 PM
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I mostly agree with you. Men should really focus on meeting women in mixed gender social situations ( school, work, friend groups, clubs ) where everyone is there to be social. Stop walking up to randos on the street or trying to pick up drunkies for hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:31 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:29 PM
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He doesn't seem angry at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:28 PM
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When they're out and about by themselves they're almost always either wearing earphones or on the phone or moving with great haste like they're on a mission from MI6 When they're at bars or clubs or parties with their gal pals they often form closed off circles and from experience can be really snarky toward any guy(s) who attempt to talk to them When they're at the gym they practically avoid eye contact. When they're at festivals or concerts they're just trying to enjoy themselves not get peste…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:25 PM

What kind of sad, pathetic gaslighting was this. Why'd you even comment then?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:20 PM
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Dude, you're still insisting on pretending that sexual attractiveness is the same as saying someone is beautiful. You are so brainwashed the even when I called out this specifically, you just cried about me being "mean" to you with "insults" then kept doubling down on moronic babbling. Let me bold it so make it gets into your brainwashed head: sexual attractiveness is not the same as saying someone is beautiful; just because women accurately point out that women tend to be more beautiful, it doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:19 PM
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I believe it's a form of child abuse / genital mutilation and should be banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:14 PM
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But it makes 0 sense for a women who is straight to find women more attractive than men Again, your "sexualize everything" America-brain can't seem to understand a difference between sexual attractiveness and asthetic beauty exists. Women and men both acknowledge that women are more beautiful. That's not weird because it's true. It doesn't mean most women are sexually attracted to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:12 PM
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I don't know if that's true, but female bodies do have a better shape, so it's understandable. Men are like a F-250 truck, women are like a Porche 911. The F-250 might be cool looking and many people might prefer it's utility, but everyone knows the Porshe is prettier.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:09 PM
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So what? It's a fact that high partner counts in women nearly always mean psychological problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:07 PM
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America is a tiny bubble that doesn't represent most people in the world, so using America as an example of anything claimed to be "univeral principles of human nature" is flawed from the beginning. When OP is talking about America, they should always start it with "In American clownworld..." so nobody is confused and everyone understands that whatever the OP is saying doesn't apply to normal humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:04 PM
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You seem to be completely unable to tell the difference between asthetic beauty and attractiveness. It's probably your American cultural brainwashing, where you sexualize everything. Why are you trying so hard to rationalize straight women finding other women better looking than men? I'm just stating a fact about life everyone can see with their own two eyes. Once again you are biased as a straight man. LOL, no. As someone with a pretty extensive arts and animation background, women are just pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:02 PM
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women don't hate other women Most men don't hate women either. The internet bubble isn't real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:56 PM
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Calling a man "beautiful" is an awkward compliment because the word itself is usually associated with the more feminine type of beauty. For sure. That said, my wife loves calling me pretty and beautiful. I've never gotten "handsome" as a compliment from a women my age ( I've gotten pretty, cute, beautiful, and when I was younger: cool ), but I'm aware that's a bit unusual.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:53 PM
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Gay men dont think women are more attractive than men No sexually, no. But most gay men will tell you that women are asthetically more pleasing / prettier on average. Straight women are the only ones who dont think the same way No, they think the same way as everyone else - i.e., they realize women are prettier.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:52 PM
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Men also find male displays of sexuality to be disgusting unless they’re the one doing them, I mean, kind of true, but what about porn? Lots of men seem perfectly OK with watching a random naked dude have sex. Women ARE more empathetic IDK about that. It kind of depends on if you mean American women or normal women. If it's American women, then they are far less empathetic than men ( they are also sadistic in general ). But normal women probaby do have an edge on men in empathy. and emotionally …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:46 PM
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Opposite for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:43 PM
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If he says that about men in general, because men are uglier than women, so it would show a subjective preference. But if he says that about a particular man it would be perfectly straight. On the other hand a straight women saying women in general are prettier than men is just stating a fact, not "being gay".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:42 PM
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That's because women are just more attractive objectively. There are very beautiful men out there but they are just super rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:39 PM
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Yep, exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:39 PM
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That's just because you have gay panic in puritan American culture and you see "gay" hiding behind every dresser. It's totally find to call a man more beautiful than women if he is, it's not gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:38 PM
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No they don't. They pursue sex with the goal of locking him down to her. That's not casual at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:30 PM
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That's because you live in America. Most women aren't interested in casual sex, it's a high risk behavior, which women tend to avoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:28 PM
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It's true outside America and the anglo-west.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:26 PM
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I know I'm in the minority on this You're not weird. Most women I know ( wife included ) find girls who sleep around repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:24 PM
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Yep. At least if they don't hate it, they don't find using it to be very enjoyable, especially subs like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:22 PM
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justify women having super high partner counts There's no need to justify. High partner count women are psychologicallly damaged and totally different then normal women. It's amazing how people like you can't understand the basic concept that different women are different. You're just so brainwashed into seeing women as kind of hivemind.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:19 PM
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Women know if they would fuck within a few seconds. No, they don't. Some women do, but most women don't. Women don't typically think of sex first off. Only broken women with high body counts and psychological issues typically do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:18 PM
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Cry more. I "lost the weight" (got a great relationship) and I exposed the dumb lies of your grifter "fitness coach". But you're right, personal accountability is a rare trait, that why you don't have any, and try to blame the victim when you scam is exposed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 07:11 AM
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They can. Most men I know are in happy relationships. Even some in America now.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 07:06 AM
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LOL, what a pathetic insult attempt. Perfect example of the kind of trash people who pretend to be red pill in 2024. "If our self-help scam doesn't work, it's you fault for not trying hard enough." Typical con-man, grifter, scam artist, cult babble. Actually red pill works fine when you don't turn it into a radical materialist and individualism ideology, and I was was doing the "red pill" things before your grifter prophets even turned it into an ideology. Read my flare. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 07:04 AM
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Get off the internet, you clearly can't distinguish between what the outrage algorithm feeds you and how the average IRL person actually acts.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:29 AM
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The women who gossip about their men publically on social media are already the lower tier ones with issues. IRL most women are rarely even posting on social media. But you wouldn't know that because you've never been in a relationship. Out of all the women in my life (friends and family), I'm by far the most active on social media, despite not being a women. Women who are all over social media constantly badmouthing their partners aren't normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:27 AM
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You're certainly entitled to believe that. I don't need to "believe" anything, it's just a fact that you're wrong. Yes, and that's because they usually don't realize something gives them the "ick" until they've experienced it. Hence Schrodinger's cat. Normal, healthy women don't get the "ick" over emotions or vulnerability from their boyfriend / husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:15 AM
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autistic hyper focus on rational self interest That's the poison pill that ruins everything, and that's why religion worked for so long while red pill is a failure. Relationships don't actually work both sides don't make sacrifices for each other and if they try to "keep score" and "win" against the other partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:12 AM
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Yep. Once I stopped following their advice my marriage improved.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:12 AM
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My wife is like this too. She has a couple trauma stories of women backstabbing here in primary and secondary school, so she rarely becomes close friends with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:05 AM
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That's literally a contradiction. If they are attracted to other women they are not heterosexual. It's a logical impossibility for a heterosexual person to be attracted to the same sex because then they wouldn't be heterosexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:04 AM
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All this is telling me is that you've never had a partner who shows you love. Yep. In other comments OP said he's never been in a relationship in his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:02 AM
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The few who do are extremely rare and valuable, but the exception does not invalidate the rule. Not really true. IRL women provide around 30% of romance while men provide around 70%. I've never been with a women in my life (or known any) who didn't do romantic things for me / her husband / boyfriend. My wife makes less than me but spends 50%-70% of her income on things for me, and has told me one of the major reasons she wants to keep working (despite the fact I can support us both easily) is so…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:59 AM
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Not a unicorn. My wife would do the same, without question. You just have zero real world experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:57 AM
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Exactly. But people like OP can't attract decent women, so instead they just lie online about women to make themselves feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:56 AM
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Eeerr I have never heard of any relationship ending because male partner cries. It's some internet fantasy they spread around. I've never either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:55 AM
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Those aren't facts. If you'd actually been in a normal LTR, you wouldn't be babbling such pathetic delusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:51 AM
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It's more shows a desperation to get in a relationship. I mean I know what I feels like, so I sympathize, but part of growing up for men is learning not to run after the first girl that makes their heart flutter.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:50 AM
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Yes we do. Stop lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:48 AM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:48 AM
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ch@d? HURR DURR it doesn't count because any time a woman act different from my low-IQ delusion it's because she's with a "chad"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:47 AM
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You clearly have very little real life experience with women and dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:45 AM
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Yes because some women are assholes online there's never been a women who's made grand gestures for the men they love. 🙄 Do you know how unhinged your clownworld logic is?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:44 AM
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why would they? Because they love the guy. It's such a fundimental human motivation that socially stunted red pillers who have never experiences real life can't understand. OP is like a little boy that read a book about soldiering and thinks he's qualified to be a Navy SEAL now.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:40 AM
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Date better women y'all. Date woman who loves you. 100%
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:39 AM
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Totally. Whenever I discover my wife likes something I like I get literally giddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:38 AM
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So you basically have zero life experience and you're just parrotting something you read on the internet, pretending that you're an expert.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:37 AM
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Thanks for the dose of reality. OP is delusional and probably never had an LTR in his life. A major reason that stats show married men living longer, happier, more successful lives is that a loving wife is a critical part of a man's emotional and psychological support system.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:33 AM
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unsanctioned What is this? This isn't how relationships work. Normal women don't have a list of things their man is "not allowed" to show emotion about. is to simply avoid expressing emotional vulnerability as much as possible Moronic, toxic "advice". Stop getting with bottom-tier women that hate you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:32 AM
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I think most men are just less emotional than women so the support on emotional issues tends to be biased towards the woman getting more support (which is totally fine), it's not evidence of the OP's moronic delusion that women will run away from men the minute they show a little emotion or vulnerability. The percentage of women who would is tiny and they usually have all kinds of other issues, too. Actually it's inverted in my marriage, I'm definitely the more emotional one but my wife is alway…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:27 AM
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women giving gifts and planning dates? My wife does it all the time. It's a well known fact that women lose attraction at the slightest hint of emotional vulnerability expressed in the wrong way. It's not a "well known fact". It's a braindead lie that people like you keep spreading around. Obviously you can't have a successful relationship that's one-sided. That's why the way you describe relationships is completely disconnected from reality. If relationships actually worked the way you pretende…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:24 AM
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He must always keep the mask on in the woman's presence, confined by the masculine idealization of himself that she really fell in love with. One misstep, one faux pas or secret too far, and it's over. Can we kill this toxic doomer delusion? Getting so annoyed by this clownworld lie. That's not how healthy relationships work. In heterosexual relationships, romantic love is provided by the man but not reciprocated by the woman. Totally moronic statement based on absolutely nothing. In most relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:18 AM
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"get with someone you're not attracted to because it's your duty as a citizen" I've never seen anyone say this or take something like this seriously. I can't imagine anyone who thinks like this, even red pillers. I feel like this view is so rare outside of the few remaining royal families (with arrianged marriages for politics) it's not even worth a discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 12:50 AM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 06:06 PM
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it often led to unstable societies Yep. That was the problem with it, and why civilization clamped down on them and doesn't let them happen anymore. Anyways, most guys don't want a harem, they just want a cute girl they can be happy with. Also extreme outlier guys who collected harems like fat people collect chocolate cake were totally abnormal and tended to be psychotic mass murderers and have other major character flaws that are incompatable with civilized society (but worked great in the past…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 06:02 PM
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enforced monogamy Most normal people actually like monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 05:56 PM
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It's not the natural inclination though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 05:56 PM
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The only reason this isn’t happening is because our natural instincts and nature is suppressed. There's really no evidence that it's "natural behavior" for men to desire harems. That's like pretending that "overeating to obesity" is a "natural behavior" instead of a clear evidence of kind of moral, personality or psychological malfunction.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 05:54 PM
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In real life there are no identical men who vary only in one domain, and in real life women don't evaluate men like mindless, calculating robots, but go off of attraction and feelings, which is a complex mix of her instincts, her concious preferences, and her personality. No man who isn't a teenager wants a "harem". Do you know why? It's a complete nightmare. Women fighting each other for your attention, multiple women to support, multiple women to be angry at different times, it's a total mess.…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 02:47 AM
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2 on both. They are a little bit true in that the ideas behind these imperatives can sometime influence behaviors but people IRL are way more complicated than these simplistic models.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 02:37 AM
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I just want to point out something, a woman is only a hypocrite if she says something, then SHE does the opposite of what she said. A woman is not a hypocrite if she said something, and then a DIFFERENT WOMAN does the opposite of what the first woman said. A lot of this "women are hypocrites" nonsense comes from noticing how the actions of DIFFERENT WOMEN are DIFFERENT. But because lots of you treat women like some kind of hivemind, the idea that women might be individuals that just do different…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 02:24 AM
1

Hmm, you have a point. 😁
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 02:15 AM
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because it’s hard to imagine someone that contradicts what you’ve experienced your entire life whether you’re in the US or not. Certainly true. It's the reason why lots of the things American red pillers say sound so insane because they contradict my whole life experience. However, unlike them I have lived in America ( for a few years ) so I know both environments which is how I now Americans are in a bubble. Most Americans are too afraid to leave the country ( besides a quick vacation to Mexico…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:55 PM
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Ah yes that famous American invention of social status. Nice try with the gaslighting. I'm talking about right now, not the past. Right now, Americans top out the charts at being obsessed with celebrity and status. Nobody else in the world worships celebrities and powerful people the way you do (unless it's North Koreans). American celebrities never have any luck with foreign women American celebrities are often hot, rich, and have good social skills. But go ahead and pretend women like them for…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:52 PM
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No worries!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:48 PM
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Yes. But not regular people and not to the extent Americans do! Exactly! pinnacle of American control freakery that would never be acceptable anywhere I watched a video on the problems with HOAs and holy crap the stories were insane. 2 weeks anywhere that is not North America. I've talk to Americans who go to massively authoritarian places like China and Russia and gush about how "free" they are. Of course, some people are just shills for these regimes but I realized it's often because they aren…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:24 PM
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I mean that's true. I think the main issue is when people not in the US tell them that's now things are outside the US red pillers double down and come up with all kinds of reasons why everywhere else in the world must be just like America anyways. Actually, I think that's just an American thing and doesn't apply to gender. When you talk about the high crime in the US, Americans are like "well, everywhere else has crime like that too" or "I bet your country is just a place where people get kidna…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:23 PM
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The fat is the norm, мой друг. For sure, my previous comment wasn't mean to be sarcastic, for sure fat is norm in the US. Also single mom rate is really high. If I were an American zoomer, I'd be very angry and preparing for evacuation. It's not even a question. That's not a country to thrive in. And that's before accounting for the dogshit extremist culture. Oh yes, 100%.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:20 PM
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may say they don't care I just watch women's behaviors. Lots of women go with men who aren't tall, most women date men without "power" or "status". Those two are like the least important things of all for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:18 PM
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Not broke, but average income. Some broke. Short, yes. Fat, sometimes. I have news for you, majority of men in my country are short by American standards, and women here aren't desperately competing for the few taller men. Lots of men here are on the fat side (but not obese like Americans) and they generally have attractive, fit wives. Like I know you're trying so desperately with that word "majority", but just the fact that you're doing that means you know you're full of shit, and you were wron…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:16 PM
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What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:12 PM
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Most women don't wear heels. Like the percentage of women who regularly wear heels is 5-10% max. My wife works at a job where people are expected to dress up professionally (bank office), and she often goes to work in a suit. Yet most of the women are wearing either very low heels (5cm or less) or flats.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:09 PM
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I have no problem with them. Some of them are naïve and clueless ( due to years of stupification in America and lies taught to them by doomer red pillers ) and end up having a bad time, but I think the idea of leaving America to move to a sane country is smart. For example, lots of passport bros get tripped up in Eastern Europe because red pill teaches that women are obsessed with looks. Actually most CEE women are less focused on looks in men, and ugly men are often see as "tougher" and therefo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:07 PM
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Who are you talking too? I never said stop making generalizations. That isn't my post. I specifically said generalizations are fine if they mostly true / true on average. Basic reading comprehension would go a long way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:02 PM
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Yep, if you tell a random person AWALT, they are immediately going to assume you're saying all women. They would also be normal to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:00 PM
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Reason is, women do have a covert communication. Saying without saying, ask without asking, establishing frames of interactions, establishing plausible deniability ect. LOL, you act like women are aliens or something. Women are humans, men can develop the same skills if they wanted to and lots of men with good social skills can navigate and understand social interactions, including subtle hints, framing, etc, with women just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 05:59 PM
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Do you treat all guns as if they are loaded? Women aren't guns. They don't kill you in an instant if you make a mistake. If you have decent social skills (which I realize lots of red pillers are socially stunted and couldn't talk their way out of paper bag), you it doesn't take to long to vet most women to understand what level of crazy they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 05:55 PM
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heightism Really? Where? Because where I lived and have travelled height is not that much of an issue for dating. Taller a bit is enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 05:54 PM
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it's big enough cohort of women to be statistically significant in polls and studies You're talking about studies that are being done in America. Hoes are so widespread now, we catch them in all kinds of studies. In America and the anglo-west. when brought to the West eventually START BEHAVING THE SAME WAY Basically proving that I'm right, women outside the anglo-west don't behave anything like red-pill generalizations. It's not women's behavior, it's toxic, trash American culture that's the pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 05:50 PM
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Source Life experience. How much intellectual, or practical value do your arguments have if you can't even prove them? I don't need to "prove" them, there's plenty of evidence for them if Americans left their tiny bubble. It's not my job to make you a well rounded human.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 05:46 PM
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I think it's because a lot of times women just get a vibe and either like or don't like the guy. Sometimes there are obvious reasons (he's hot, he's ugly) other times she just doesn't feel that guy. What is she supposed to say that will help him? Guys should understand that a certain percentage of women just won't want them no matter what they do. Dating is an odds game. You try to drive up your own odds by improving yourself, but it's not some guarantee that you won't be rejected, and it's not …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 05:42 PM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 05:40 PM
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There is no method of rejection that they would accept. That's right. For those people, if women are mean, they are upset, if women are nice, they are upset. It's like no winning with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 05:40 PM
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The other English speaking countries are the only ones at all similar to America. America is that different. Americans need to realize who absolutely bizarre and weird they are to the rest of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 05:35 PM
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Read what I said carefully. I didn't say they were exception in every way all the time. I said there were enough exceptions across multiple traits that they undermine the generalizations. Also, lots of pretty women dating short fat men in my country at least, who are "poor" by American standards. Pretty normal here, in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:36 PM
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Passport bros are a small subset of red pillers. I've talked to passport bros and they don't believe most of these crazy American generalizations. But most red pillers in America are the black pill doomer types who have very little interaction with women outside their tiny bubble and project all their experiences on the entire world. Its actually a BP argument that women across the world are the same. They think since THEY think a man is a loser, ALL women must think they are a loser. The foreig…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:22 PM

"All around the world girls will be girls." Yea, the problem is you American clowns have no idea how girls act. You just project your bubble on everyone else. America is the extreme outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:18 PM

It’s not radically different in much of Europe. Actually it is. I live in Europe and Americans constant clown world generalizations are completely at odds with my own life experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:18 PM
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Status/power matters That's actually the least important of all outside the US and the biggest lie. Americans are control freaks who need power to hurt other people to feel good about themselves. Most places outside the US, people care very little about status or power. Especially in more fair and less corruption societies than the US. is the biggest meme Maybe you should go check the stats for average height of men and average height of women. In most countries, the different is 20-30 cm. It's …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:15 PM
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Same line that feminists use to hate men. I mean, at least you're honest about just being a dumb bigot. You know that vetting women is an option that exists. Oh wait, I bet you are one of those clowns that denies that it's possible to vet people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:13 PM
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Every women I've meet in my life has traits that do not match with generalizations made by anglo-western clown red pillers. So either I live a special life full of exceptions or red pillers are lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:12 PM
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I didn't say stop making generalizations. I am totally find with generalizations, if they are true. The problem is, the anglo-western clown red piller's generalizations are false. My generalizations about Americans are largely true.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:10 PM
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In America, probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:09 PM
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Now, the "50% thing" is just a self-delusion that doesn't match the real world. 80-90% of women are not stacies.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:08 PM
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stacys Facts. But most women aren't stacies. It's like the top 5% who are basically irrelavent. they're annoyed attractive women There is a surprising amount of attractive women who are not instagram models, celebrities, influencers, etc, that would be fine with an ordinary guy. The problem is most red pillers are too cringe to pick up those kinds of women or too ignorant know where to find normal women to interact with.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:07 PM
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It's not a majority of people though. For most women, a guy's power is at the bottom of the priority list. because people with power literally get to do more of the things they want, whereas people with less are more dancing to another's tune This is really only a concern for Americans who live in a totalitarian control freak society where "live and let live" is unacceptable. But in different cultures where people mostly leave strangers alone, power level isn't that important, because people are…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 04:03 PM
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Multiple variables can be boiled down and people ranked. I agree with that. You're just wrong about how high up the rank a guy must be to qualify for the average woman. I'm talking about everywhere, not just your crazy American bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:59 PM
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Status doesn't appeal to most women. Most of the time, men with status also have money, looks and / or excellent game / social skills. Only Americans are so incredibly obsessed with status, most women don't care about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:58 PM

Outliers don’t disprove the median Yes, your American clown world is an outlier and does not disprove the median. Thanks again for proving my point. that’s why you are trying to change the subject Except I didn't. You live in such a sheltered woke/bluepill online bubble I think you don’t have a clue how the real world works. You need to travel more and expand your mind and horizon. Saying "nah uh you are" is what children do. I'm not bluepill, I'm not woke. I'm a conservative, nationalist and tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:56 PM
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pathetic American consumerist society Yep!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 01:05 PM

Of course you defend fat women I don't like fat women. I'm just pointing out some people do and there are places were fat women are more desired, but you're too dishonest and pathetic to admit you were wrong. short men Again, you doubling down on stupid because you've never seen the rest of the world is just embarrassing you. In many countries men are way shorter than the US and they have no problem getting dates / girlfriends / married. The minimum requirement is only being 10-15 cm taller than…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 01:04 PM

Trying to make this about me is you admitting you're full of shit and you have no other arguments. I'm married and very happy with it, so I'm not sure why you'd actually think I'm trying prove my attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:59 PM
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All I have to do is drive 10 minutes downtown in my city to see ugly man + beautiful woman couples everywhere. It's so funny how the simple minds of anglo-westerners explode when confronted by the fact the entire world doesn't work like their trashy little bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:57 PM
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Yes it is. Most women don't even want a celebrity. Even the women who are interested usually are because the celebrity is hot, or rich. Not because he's a celebrity. There are too many problems associated with dating a celebrity. Then again, I know Americans are celebrity-obsessed (typical low IQ American hobby) so I'm sure more American women are drooling over celebrities. But most women aren't interested due to the accompanying issues and because status isn't attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:56 PM
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they want their guy to be better than their friends' guys ...and their friend group is how many people? They want their guy to be better than 5-10 other guys, maximum. You're proving my point. There's also multiple dimensions to compare, and the guy doesn't have to be better in all of them, just the one that the girl who likes him cares about more. You're so desperate to boil down multi-variable, complex situations into "hurr durr women super competative hurr derp" that it's really sad. Like any…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:49 PM
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Male celebrities are a tiny 0.0001% of the population. They mean literally nothing. Every celebrity will have their group of fangirls, but the average women isn't looking for male celebrities to date. Most women, IRL, especially outside psycho America, don't care about status.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:46 PM

In a large sample size of men and women, you’ll find both sexes are equally shallow I didn't say they weren't equally shallow. I just said the average person, man and woman, is way less shallow than you. Women are absolutely shallow and superficial. They lust after tall, hot, muscular and dominant men. Women aren't the lazy caricatures that you came up when drunk. Most people are shallow and materialistic irrespective of culture Says someone who's never lived in another culture outside the crazy…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:44 PM
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They want a guy who is a bit taller than other guys. No they don't. They want a guy a bit taller than them. Women compared guys to their competition No they don't. Women aren't naturally hyper-competitive like this. Women being obsessed with "showing off" their guy as superior to every other guy is 100% an American trait and has nothing to do with how normal women act outside of the American clown world bubble. It all comes from America's extremist individualism, materialism and over-competitive…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:37 PM
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Many of the women here have highly negative "FDS"-like opinions about men, that most men are out to get them, that most men are rapists, that if one man is a rapist the every man in the world must be blamed, crazy stuff like that. Most real world women don't really have any problem with men, especially women outside of Ameri-crazyland.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:31 PM
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Just because you're shallow and superficial doesn't mean everyone else is like you. Most people aren't shallow and materialistic like red pillers and Americans are. Women do care about about a man's height, wealth and physical fitness, but just not anywhere near the braindead extremist level that you think they do. Also, so few women care about "status" it's not even worth talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:27 PM

Women in the real world are busy fucking hot men lol No they aren't. You're delusional. Most women are with ugly men, actually, because most men are ugly, and most men have wives / girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:25 PM

Moronic statement. Most women don't care about status, "being tall" or a man's power. They want the man to be physically attractive, financially secure, and a bit taller than them. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 11:36 AM
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On many issues, women on this sub don't represent most women in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 11:33 AM
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I always find it funny that red pillers are so fixated on "status" when out in the real world this is the least important metric to most women. Woman want a man that is financially secure, but almost nobody care about status. Why do red piller keep clinging to the "status matter so much" delusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 11:32 AM
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Stop talking like America is the rest of the world. In most countries in the world, gender relations and dating are fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 11:29 AM
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Actually you're wrong. The vast majority of both men and women seek out and have LTRs. People who are single their whole life for any reason are quite rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 11:27 AM
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Fortunately this only really happens in America / anglosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 11:25 AM
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Most men won't self improve that much though, and many not at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:30 AM
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but where does this belief come from? Personal experience. Women's perferences for men are widely divergent. There are some near univeral constants ( man should be same height or taller, man should have some level of confidence, self assurance, man should earn enough to take care of himself, etc), but there are also some widely divergent preferences. For example, I know girls who find all blond guys ugly and wouldn't give one the time of day. I know girls who are insistant the guy must be VERY t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 04:39 PM
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Crabs in a bucket mentality. Trying to drag everyone else down with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 04:26 PM
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the majority of women only find a small minority of men attractive. Yep, except the small minority of men isn't the same for everyone women. It's widely divergent between women. Women are very picky but they aren't picky about all the same men. The lie that red pillers tell is that women are all looking for the 6 6 6 delusion that IRL, only American psychos actually care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 03:38 PM
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Nobody is banned from learning social skills though. There are lots of ways to learn, you don't need someone to "teach" you explicitly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 12:25 PM

Everything but 2 is an instant dealbreaker. Two is fine because I'm totally OK with supporting a girl and having her be a housewife or work part time, if I like her. She would have to be smart though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:40 AM
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Also, their expectations are in line with the cost of living which is much lower, so their actual expectations are lower than anglo women, dollar for dollar.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:20 AM
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Is materialism your religion? Yes, materialism is their religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:18 AM

If we sound a warning This is just concern trolling, you don't really care about random strangers, you just hate it when older men are happy and you can't control and manipulate them. I know you don't want to date those men, but like a high school bully, you just want to destroy the things that make them happy. How come everyone else in the world isn't having trantrums about age gap relationships? If it they are so bad, why do only old American women throw fits of rage over it? It's almost like …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 01:31 PM

I use the global average because Americans are abusive and psychotic towards age gap relationships. It's necessary to see what the real world is like outside the American bubble, to see what people do when they actually have a choice and are not bullied and hated for it. Child marriages are illegal in nearly every country and rare in most places except fundamentalist islamic societies. Less than 5% on average doesn't mean that 10+ is rare. With the US being the lowest in the world at 5%, due to …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 01:23 PM

Yes, but if men know women do that and still recklessly sleep with random women they barely know it's the guys fault too. Like never locking your door in a high crime neighborhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 01:14 PM
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not necessarily that they dated You can read the stories. Social reasons where why they went from "bleh" to attacted. dating looks are the most important No but, I will say this. You do need to meet a "minimum" looks level for most women. After you hit that point then they are more interested in your social skills. So it's kind of right that looks matter more but only at the extreme. Most guys do meet that minimum if they looks max (i.e., get in shape, wear fashionable clothes and groom themselv…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 02:39 AM
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Why are so many women insulted by the idea of guys making compromises to get sex? I don't think most women are insulted, just some minorities of crazies in the anglo-west. But mostly you can just ignore them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 01:28 AM
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Social skills don't matter for dating. LOL what???? I just did an entire thread on asking women how they got into LTRs, do you know what almost ALL of the women said? In most cases, social skills were the main reason they got with their husband / boyfriend. You have to be on drugs or have no IRL dating experience to think social skills don't matter. Dating is literally one long term social interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 12:52 AM
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Yea, I think being up front with things is always the best. My wife finds dildos to be a bit weird, so we don't have them but we use vibrators all the time. Still, a dildo wouldn't bother me at all. Being a bit crude and blunt, women have two holes (three if you count mouth) so if she wants to use me and a dildo that's totally OK with me. It's just a toy, not another person.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 11:51 PM
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I would definitely feel insecure about "discovering" it. Like I'm fine with toys in the bedroom but if she was hiding it from me, that would bother me alot. Like why hiding? Why is she going behind my back with it? That would definitely make me feel weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 11:08 PM
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you inherently already had a high aptitude for social ability That's BS. It's a circular argument and false. Why are you so invested in believing the lie of social skills determinism?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 04:36 PM
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I meet my husband on a video game. That's awesome. looks were factor but I was prepared to settle slightly if he was even slightly below average. Personality / sociability really makes a big difference, doesn't it? Women keep telling men that and red pillers / black pillers keep lying and saying that only looks matter. He admitted the photo was for social proofing lol. Clever man. 😄 “I couldn’t bare the thought of not having you for another year.” 7 years later we are still together. Great endin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 04:26 PM
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He wasn't, becaues he wasn't a friend. It's not a "backup" if a girl isn't doing anything to keep him around "just in case". He just happens to be in the same social circle. Also, the guy is the one who went after her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 04:06 PM
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Well all's well that ends well. That good. 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 01:06 AM
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I think what he says sounds about right (i.e., it's not morally good or bad, but it's an accurate description of the situation).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:53 AM
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Actually most women aren't beautiful if you include all ages. But most women who are normal weight and 18-35 are at least a bit pretty. It's not a fallacy, it's a fact. That's how our species works. Men want beauty, women offer beauty. Men aren't meant to be beautiful, and a really beautiful man is a bit of an aberration.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:51 AM
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Like, he just “got” me. That's really cool. Just friends. Your ex got "just friended", LOL. But I think you made the right move. He’s been my very best friend since that first day. Best friend wins in the end. 😄 That's good though, it should be like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:41 AM
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he’d make a great boyfriend for someone one day "there's a girl out there who will love you... someday" meme but then she turned out to be you. I like that. I hated seeing him interact with other girls there. Thats love right there... 😄 something that really stood out to me early on was how respectful he was of my physical boundaries. i wanted to wait some time to be fully comfortable having sex with him, and he was understanding. Yep, there's the "reading the room" and picking subtle cues that …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:32 AM
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I fell in love at first sight with my husband that man has me howling at the moon to this day. Haha, that's great. if I don't like you within the first 2-3 months of meeting as friends I'll never like you I think my wife is like that, she was basically into me within the first few weeks of meeting. But I'm very slow burn, so (I know it's weird) but I didn't fully fall in love with her until after 6 months after we started dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:27 AM
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Yep, that makes sense. I think that's right. It's basically impossible to "love" someone after just seeing them for a few seconds. That takes time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:24 AM
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Simple and sweet. How long did take from when you guys first met to get to the point of being in love?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:22 AM
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Nobody in the conversation said that though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:21 AM
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What does this have to do with women? I said men are ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:18 AM
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IMO risky (he could have just bailed), but if it works out, who cares. I wonder what percentage of "love at first sight" is more lust, or if all of it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:09 AM
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That's cool, that's like a perfect, straightforward love.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:07 AM
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took terrible photos I'm like that guy, too. Or so people say to me, lol. so he looked substantially better in person That's why guys have to get out there IRL, really. I’d still be nice, and then disappear like a thief in the night. Totally makes sense, better than putting emotional effort into having a fight with them. I wonder how many guys who just have bad attitudes or behavior get ghosted and never realize that's why... After him, I haven’t experienced LAFS So it happens sometimes but it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:04 AM
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I thought he was hot as hell. I also thought he was a stone cold asshole and didn't like him in the slightest. Haha, that's great. I went full crazy. He worked retail and I'd often dress up, do my hair and my makeup and walk around his store and hope I'd just 'happen' to bump into him. Never did, haha! omg cute. I'd later learn he'd been wanting to ask me out for ages. Fucking AGES!!!! She always told him that I hate him and would never be interested. He even asked for my number from her and she…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 12:01 AM
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You're so desperate to neg, it's pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 11:54 PM
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Yep, I used to be a red piller myself because lots of the basic stuff is true and useful. But now, it's must more doomer stuff and I can't deal with that anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 11:53 PM
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Sorry, I'm just looking with my own eyes and most men are ugly. Has nothing to do with what women say, if anything most women think men are more attractive then they are due to their sexuality. I am not sexually attracted to men, so I can be more objective, most men are just straight up ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 11:51 PM
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Dating girls for most part act in the way single guys wish they could. I never wanted that when I was single. Sounds exhausting and a recipe for drama and problems in the future (STDs, crazy women showing up at your home / work, pregnancy scares / pregnancy claims, crazy girls catching feels and destroying your stuff for attention). I'd rather have great sex over and over with one girl I really love who isn't going to make drama in my life. Also, it's so nice to only have to appeal to the specif…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 11:05 PM
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I think I had more radical views before, when I was into red pill, but in the end I've see that a lot of the AWALT stuff that red pillers dogmatically believe has been disproven over and over by my own real life experiences, so it definitely moderated by views. A lot of the stuff red pill claims to be "gospel truth" turn out to be "general guidelines that are true a lot of the time" and often ignore the wide diversity of human experience, behaviors, ideas and desires and comes from a sheltered, …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 11:00 PM
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Very interesting, thanks! That basically matches with my experience of most of my IRL female friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 10:54 PM
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He flirted with me at a mutual friend’s birthday dinner, and that was the moment I knew I wanted him to be my boyfriend. Nice. The red pill places more emphasis on game, flirting, and escalation; It used to, but I all see these days from people claiming to be red piller is doomer babble about how looks the most important thing, social skills don't matter if you're an average guy, etc. women wanting to sit on some guy’s dick just by looking at him has never been the red pill stance. Recently I've…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 10:53 PM
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I'd say it's more that mid men are finding the rare women that are into them physically or are into personality If that was the case most guys would be perpetually single. you cannot "out social skill" your way from the women not being physically attracted to you Probably true. You couldn't go from 0 to high attraction. But attraction isn't a lightswitch, it's a sliding scale. You could take her take her from a 3/10 attraction to a 7/10 attraction with good social skills. You can also go the oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:56 PM
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Those are all going to matter more than soft skills. Not really. They've gone employment surveys and found that companies often hire people with worst skillsets if they are easier to get along with, are less creepy and have better social skills. Like 80 percent of women rate 80% of men as unattractive. Most guys are ugly, I agree. Most guys also have wives or girlsfriends. In my country, where women aren't massively obese like the US, most of those wives / girlfriends are quite attractive. The m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:50 PM
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I don't get what you're trying to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:44 PM
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The younger women are chasing the older men. In my early 30's all the women who wanted a piece of me were in their early 20's. I couldn't even get a sideways look from most women my age, and the few that did were so much insane drama it wasn't worth the problems. Anyways, early-20's are usually prettier and they are still adults. If they like me, I'm not turning them down. In the end I married a girl I started dating when she was 21 and I was 32. Been smooth sailing since and we're both very hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 08:00 PM
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Yep. A lot of people say I look same age or younger than my wife and I'm 11 years older. Incidentally, in my 30's, just when my wife and I first started dating, most women interested in me were in their early 20's like my wife was.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 07:54 PM
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A minority could be 49%. Do you understand statistics? Minority and "reasonable chance" (the OPs words) don't cancel each other out. A 49% (or in this case 20-30%) chance of something happening is a reasonable chance. IRL globally 20% of relationships are 10+ years age gap. For 5-10 years it goes up even more. If a guy is looking for a girl who wants a 5+ years age gap, he's got a pretty good chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 07:52 PM
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That's not entirely true but it's usually true.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 07:50 PM
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No, not really. It's like 5% which isn't that rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 07:48 PM
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I started dating my wife when she was 21 and I was 32. All the girls I was attracting at that time where around the same age, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 07:48 PM
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Hotness isn't everything. If you can just maintain your looks from 20-30 without a steep decline while improving your wealth, social skills, confidence and maturity, you will definitely do a lot better in your 30's. Also, it's not unheard of for guys to be more fit in their 30s. Like just being sloppy and overweight in their 20's then getting themselves in shape and looks making in their 30's. Yes, you won't look at youthful but fitness can offset that. So overall looks can go up and so will oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 07:46 PM
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But relationships between much older men and much younger women are far from unheard of. Globally age gaps of more than 10+ years form around 20% of all relationships. So they are a minority but not rare by any stretch.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 07:42 PM
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You should look outside the US. The US is an extreme outlier for how few age gap relationships are there. US culture has some kind of irrational rage against age gaps. Other cultures and people don't mind much. As long as you are adults and happy it's OK. The problem with age gap relationships in the US is the social pressure and abuse. Generally, if Americans (especially older women) find out you have an age gap relationship, they will pull out all the stops to destroy it. Right in the sub Amer…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 07:40 PM
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That's slightly better than the US divorce average which is around 50%.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 07:40 PM
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I would go as far as to say most of the guys claiming to be red pill here are actually black pill or some sort of weird tradcon virgin fetishist. Yep, exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 07:36 PM
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but you can only improve them to a minor degree higher than what you naturally have You can definitely improve them enough to matter. Improving my social skills / game was a night and day difference for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 07:34 PM
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Soft skills do matter, but without the right experience and education they are meaningless. That's true, but most of the people applying for the job will have the right experience and education ( people generally don't apply to jobs they don't have the base qualifications for ). So soft skills are the main differentiator that determines if you or the other guy gets the job. Same is true for social skills. Most guys aren't male models, celebrities or extremely rich, so the playing field is relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 07:33 PM
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Most guys aren't attractive and you have to be REALLY, REALLY attractive (top 1%) to overcome having bare minimum social skills. For the vast majority of guys, most of who are mid or ugly, social skills are the make or break for their relationships. That why game exists, which red pill used to be all about until they turned doomer and pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:42 PM
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It proves the people who say it's impossible are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:39 PM
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The other is you offer women a free place to stay and take her on dates. There used to be a free room share host app, I can't remember the name of it though I used it a few times. Around 10 years ago. Yep, lots of guys would let women stay with them then make a move. It can definitely work if you play your cards right.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:38 PM
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Looksmaxxing is the easiest IMO. I agree with that. With social skills you have none of this. Yep, it takes a lot of awkward, uncomfortable interactions over a significant period of time and often times it's not clear if you're doing any better or not. But if you look back to day 1 from say day 700, you'd see the difference. Social skills are the hardest, but doable. This part does depend on personality, for certain people, learning social skills is easier due to certain personality traits. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:35 PM
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Oh, this I agree with. There are specific skill sets men need to pick up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:32 PM
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How did everyone in the west get through life 20-30 years ago without blaming their failures on autism? It's crazy how much that's become a cope for everything in the west. Where I live nobody's whining about how "autism" is keeping them from learning how to be a normal, socially well-adapted human. No men are complaining that "autism" is keeping them from getting girls. They just do the work ( level up their social skills ) and take home the prize ( a hot girl they like ).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:30 PM
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You made one extreme strawman and then went to polar opposite of it. No, I'm responding specifically to something that red pillers have repeated over and over on this sub: social skills don't matter even if they did, you can't change them anyways Piano doesn't care who you are, how you look, how good or bad you are currently. Nevertheless, like social skills, it's a skill you can learn at any age and bring up to a decent level even if you don't have a high level of talent for it. Also there is n…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:28 PM
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Stop. That isn't part of RP philosophy. It didn't used to be, back when I was in red pill. Once red pillers become doomer clowns, it became all about "social skills don't matter" and other fantasies, so I peaced out.. We just admit that attraction matters more There's nothing to admit when that's wrong. Like OG red pill didn't not include all this crying about not looking pretty enough. It was just "learn game". That was the right message. I see ugly guys with game get girls all the time. Most g…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:23 PM
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Not from my experience, social skills are definitely more important. This comes from being surrounded by ugly guys who are very social and successful with women, while in my past being an attractive guy with bad social skills that totally failed with women until I learned the basics of social interactions and game.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:19 PM
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My perception is that flirting and sex and such are a lot harder to learn I agree. tend to require being in a mixed sex pubescent environment I don't agree. I think you can pick them up when you're a little older. Anyways, I grew up with two sisters and some female childhood friends but it absolutely did not help me with flirting or anything of the like. I had to learn it as an adult. I feel like part of it might be that society is generally sex segregated and the easiest social opportunities ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:16 PM
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These skills have gotten me no closer to mutual attraction with a woman. Are you sure? Was there a time earlier in your life when your skills were much worse but you were kind of at the same income, looks, life success, etc, and the situation with women was the same? You also need to add some social skills that are specific to picking women ( game ). If you don't have those, you'll still struggle even with decent broader social skills. The Halo Effect is well observed at this stage and specifica…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:11 PM
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Likewise you are spot on with characters being difficult to learn simultaneously with vocabulary (because they don’t connect intuitively in my head with the sounds). Yep, I actually encountered the same issue with kanji in Japanese, even if I know the general meaning of the character from Chinese I have no idea how to say them in Japanese, so I realized they are very unhelpful in the process of learning new words. Fortunately, Japanese has syllabaries which allow you to write out the word withou…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:06 PM
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ted bundy might be a horrible as a human being from objective perspective but he had right attributes for success. How did he succeed? He was hated by the world and executed. The women who liked him were a tiny niche of unhinged crazies that would destroy the life of a normal man that dated them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:01 PM
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One extreme outlier like a famous serial killer, celebrity or billionaire finding a wife doesn't really have say anything about dating for the average man or how women in general think. All these kind of people have their niche groupies, but those groupies are a tiny percentage of all women. Also, are you going to try and be Ted Bundy?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:59 PM
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so I thought of myself as having bad social skills You probably don't have as bad social skills as you think. but it's way easier when the women do the initiating. Same for me. Even when I improved my social skills a lot, I always made women "close the deal" for me. I never approach and still don't. But even that strategy requires good social skills, just a different set of them. If you can identify the women that are interested and make the moves so that she goes for you, then keep her around a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:57 PM
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BS, I bet the men are way more attractive (or the women less attractive) then you are saying. Translation: if reality doesn't match your delusions, you deny reality. Got it. Sounds more like you are average or ugly then More of the same reality denial. It's so pathetic and lame. Trying to gaslight a stranger about their own life experiences because they don't match up with your dumb little ideology. If you were “super hot” girls would approach you and want to fuck within minutes. Then did, and I…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:49 PM
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