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| 12 | Thoughts on this recent Onion article? - 'Ah, To Be Young, Rich, White, Male, College-Educated, Straight, And In Love' | phatphace | /r/MensRights | 25/10/13 08:29 AM |
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| 1 | Wife of Johnny Depp goes after his 400 million dollars wealth and she hits him hard when he's sad and down: two days after his mother's deathInteresting you should respond to sanderson22's comment with this sentiment and not the overwhelming "she's a cunt" comments in the thread. | /r/MensRights | 28/05/16 01:26 PM |
| 12 | Justin Bieber's penis has held a mirror up to our alarming double standards on privacy. If this hadn't been Bieber, but a female celebrity, would the reaction have been the same?That's exactly what happened with Kate Middleton. People keep pretending this is a male issue when countless female celebrities have faced similar media coverage of their unintended nudity. Up-skirts stepping out of cars, nipple slips on beaches. The second it happens to a male this sub is outraged because he received the same treatment women always have, even though women are more greatly targeted for it. | /r/MensRights | 11/10/15 07:15 AM |
| 1 | Modern american women are in arguably the most powerful position they may ever be in, and still they want more.You're partially right. The shift in gender came as a result of the introduction of universal education. As it was legal to pay women less (1/3 of men's pay), it was pushed for more women in those roles to reduce the overall cost of taxes. The idea of women being more nurturing was an afterthought to cold, economic fact. Men still had every other occupation available to them while women were excluded from countless more. | /r/MensRights | 07/09/15 12:10 AM |
| -25 | Infuriating ad I saw while watching TV a few nights ago.... "What Not To Hit | Domestic Violence Prevention | Ad Council""why not tell them not to hit anyone?" There's not much of a correlation between violence in a domestic setting (the overwhelming majority of violence against women) and violence committed by the same person in the outside world. Similarly, fathers who beat their kids aren't much more likely to pick fights with other men. The motivation for violence is different, too - wives being seen as an 'easy target' to act as an outlet for rage; violence being a tool to assert control. While these ads are … | /r/MensRights | 12/07/15 03:56 AM |
| -2 | Infuriating ad I saw while watching TV a few nights ago.... "What Not To Hit | Domestic Violence Prevention | Ad Council"Yes, of course. Just like ads about racial hate crimes and gay-bashing need to include, "You can hit Black/gay people if you really, really need to though." What an absolutely necessary addition. | /r/MensRights | 12/07/15 03:26 AM |
| 1 | [Serious] Men who have been raped by women, what does society not understand about your situation? : AskRedditHaha, the wonderful sound of a worldview shattering. Go on, you tell that rape victim. | /r/MensRights | 16/06/15 07:57 AM |
| 9 | Feminists do care about male rape! Well, at least when it helps them make a point about female rape... (sign on the far right)Yes, feminists don't think men can be raped... 'Its On Us'. Website. Project Unbreakable. Website. '7000 in solidarity'. Website. 'Take Back the Night'. Website. Rape is Rape. Just Detention International, the largest organisation for ending prison rape. 'Why rape is sincerely hilarious' recent viral video by feminist comedian Andrew Bailey who authored the post in Everyday Feminism. But that's just off the top of my head. I'll sit here patiently for someone to direct me to what the MRM has done… | /r/MensRights | 16/06/15 03:41 AM |
| 3 | Hope this isn't a repost but it sums it up nicely.Oh, does that mean the MRM is going to push for 50% of men as maids, cleaners, social workers, aged and disability care, administrators, sex workers... You know, all that underpaid and undervalued work in female dominated fields? Or is this another case of, "Its only hypocrisy if someone I don't like is doing it!" Well, there's good news. Turns out there are substantive organisations and initiatives to encourage entry and support women in those very jobs: Women in Mining Network (WIMnet) Women i… | /r/MensRights | 15/06/15 03:45 PM |
| 4 | 94.8% of people killed by police in 2015 are male. (365 of 385, USA)This misleading. There are plenty of instances of (White) men behaving similarly without being shot by police. Texas man arrested after pointing gun at New Castle Police officers Man Shoots Police Chief Four Times and Walks Free Police get punched, put into headlocks and shot at by mob Man points hand gun directly at officer through window of motel room and threatens to murder Man points gun at three different NOPD officers and took five shots at an occupied truck Man non-fatally wounded after a… | /r/MensRights | 01/06/15 12:40 PM |
| 2 | TIL that 47% of male victims of domestic abuse are threatened with arrest. 21% are arrested. : todayilearnedFor example, following the introduction of pro-arrest and mandatory arrest policies for domestic violence in California, male arrest rates increased by 136%, while female arrest rates increased more than 500% from 1987 to 2000 (DeLeon-Granados, Wells & Binsbacher 2006, p. 359). In the state of Georgia in the US, the percentage of women identified as perpetrators of domestic violence increased from 18% in 1996 to 21% in 2001 (Georgia Bureau of Investigation 2003). Dasgupta (2002) also cites stead… | /r/MensRights | 31/05/15 09:39 AM |
| -4 | Another false rape allegation thrown out. Attorney remarks on "an epidemic of false sexual assault allegations"No it isn't. Otherwise obvious false accusers like Jackie and the Columbia woman wouldn't be believed initially. You've pointed to two outliers, and I seriously contend the idea they were unanimously believed by the public. The Rolling Stone made an unprecedented move in writing about the case and was met with widespread backlash and controversy from the beginning. The Columbia case sparked nationwide attention due to the endurance art piece, and the accused was never identified. Still, there is… | /r/MensRights | 25/05/15 05:07 PM |
| -13 | Another false rape allegation thrown out. Attorney remarks on "an epidemic of false sexual assault allegations"This is disingenuous. The idea of women routinely lying about rape is a persisting one in society. People are claiming a current 'epidemic' of false accusations, yet fail to recognise 41% of the population in 2012 disagree with the statement 'Women rarely make false claims of rape', which is identical to the figure obtained in 1995.1 Further, 38% of people agree 'A lot of times women who say they were raped led the man on and later had regrets', likely subsumed by those disagreeing to the previo… | /r/MensRights | 25/05/15 12:53 PM |
| 0 | Nungesser family speaks out, calls graduation ceremony "deeply humiliating"..."They have turned [our son's] life into a nightmare"But are you saying it is only true if it leads to a conviction? No. I am saying I have the right to reserve judgment in the absence of a conviction, especially seeing as there are two plausible stories. But if you have no evidence you need to default to him being innocent. This is where we differ. Comparing rape to a crime like, say, murder is disingenuous when considering relative difficulties in providing evidence. I prefer to compare it to theft or burglary, which have similar rates of convic… | /r/MensRights | 25/05/15 03:22 AM |
| 0 | Nungesser family speaks out, calls graduation ceremony "deeply humiliating"..."They have turned [our son's] life into a nightmare"false accusers are virtually never put on trial. No, but police and universities are able to file those accusations they so much as perceive as false under 'false allegation'. That didn't happen here. So you haven't been calling him a definite rapist Yes, as a rhetorical device in response to comments claiming that he isn't. Personally, I couldn't tell you either way. | /r/MensRights | 24/05/15 02:36 PM |
| -2 | College discredit: Acquitted of rape, still shamed; Hobart student's life destroyed, has no recourse for expulsion after false accusation.The trial ended in there not being enough evidence to convict, not a false accusation. The logical thing to do would be suspend judgment. | /r/MensRights | 24/05/15 11:04 AM |
| -7 | College discredit: Acquitted of rape, still shamed; Hobart student's life destroyed, has no recourse for expulsion after false accusation.Yeah, this sub has tendency to 'listen and believe' when it comes to people claiming to falsely being accused of rape. | /r/MensRights | 24/05/15 06:51 AM |
| -1 | Nungesser family speaks out, calls graduation ceremony "deeply humiliating"..."They have turned [our son's] life into a nightmare"Based on the evidence yes. Then the case would have been ruled a 'false accusation'. And I take it you're serving on the Supreme Court? I tend not to take legal advice from trolls on the internet. You on the other hand are rejecting that evidence and claiming he's a rapist solely How "suspended judgment" translates to this in your head probably explains why you write so much ignorant stuff on the internet. | /r/MensRights | 24/05/15 02:09 AM |
| 1 | Nungesser family speaks out, calls graduation ceremony "deeply humiliating"..."They have turned [our son's] life into a nightmare"The Facebook logs. I'm not playing this game. I know how it goes: I link you say that doesn't count, demand different sources. Well, let's not play. There are two available interpretations, both internally consistent. You seem to be convinced Nungesser has a 'preponderance of evidence', which is what's required to convict in these cases. You're also not a lawyer, so I feel no incentive to alter my position from suspended judgment. I simply wish the rest of MR was as rational. | /r/MensRights | 22/05/15 11:06 PM |
| 1 | Nungesser family speaks out, calls graduation ceremony "deeply humiliating"..."They have turned [our son's] life into a nightmare"There was no rape. And it's part of her history which indicates she had a consensual relationship with him that turned bitter when he ditched her. Hence the vindictive accusation. You dodge questions breathtakingly. In the absence of evidence he remains innocent. Legally innocent, just as she is legally innocent of a false rape accusation. You would be happy to jail men on merely an accusation. I have never said this. You're providing a wrong opinion. You're providing a wrong opinion in thinking… | /r/MensRights | 22/05/15 12:10 PM |
| 1 | Nungesser family speaks out, calls graduation ceremony "deeply humiliating"..."They have turned [our son's] life into a nightmare"Literally no one has said that. Its my interpretation of what you said. Why bring up the fact she (never) asked for anal sex a really, really long time ago in defense of a brutal rape later on? Its irrelevant. Why are you so deadset on this notion that women are incapable of lying about rape? I wouldn't say its an incapability. But if there is a story of a woman being raped, this sub will side with the man when it comes down to his word against hers. I'm providing a dissenting opinion. Neither s… | /r/MensRights | 22/05/15 01:26 AM |
| -2 | Nungesser family speaks out, calls graduation ceremony "deeply humiliating"..."They have turned [our son's] life into a nightmare"Sure thing. Be frank with me. You think she seriously wanted him to fuck her in the butt when she wrote that? No one said it was. From before: Also you're aware that she asked him for anal sex right? If someone 'asks' for anal sex long before an intimate relationship, it doesn't mean they can violently take the person up on the offer at a later date. | /r/MensRights | 21/05/15 03:38 PM |
| -6 | Nungesser family speaks out, calls graduation ceremony "deeply humiliating"..."They have turned [our son's] life into a nightmare""While they were still freshmen and before any physical relationship had begun," Emma spontaneously messages Paul, "Fuck me in the butt," I'm not sure about you, but that's not how anyone brings up anal sex - its clearly an 'FML' type statement. Even if it was serious, that's not a binding contract. | /r/MensRights | 21/05/15 03:18 PM |
| -2 | Nungesser family speaks out, calls graduation ceremony "deeply humiliating"..."They have turned [our son's] life into a nightmare"According to her own goddamn words she knew she was raped It wasn't until consulting with a friend that she deemed it rape. making up white knighty excuses as you go along and people point out why you're mistaken. I'm dissenting the idea that we can safely call her a false accuser. | /r/MensRights | 21/05/15 03:05 PM |
| -19 | Nungesser family speaks out, calls graduation ceremony "deeply humiliating"..."They have turned [our son's] life into a nightmare"How many rape victims do you know? Let's look at your list of things they definitely don't do: trying to hang out with that person She specifically says she's trying to organise a talk. You're being purposefully disingenuous. going to that person's parties Believe it or not, rapists often belong in tight-nit social circles and groups with their victim. Someone who doesn't want to press charges and is still reconciling herself to the idea she was raped (considering she'd already been raped and di… | /r/MensRights | 21/05/15 12:12 PM |
| -30 | Nungesser family speaks out, calls graduation ceremony "deeply humiliating"..."They have turned [our son's] life into a nightmare"Her annotation of events shows quite clearly how 'pursuing their friendship' could be construed as her trying to initiate a talk between the two in a non-confrontational way. To borrow from my comment below, her treatment of a past sexual assault/rape indicates she, like most women, was eager to put the experience behind her: i actually hate John Doe like if a girl is about to puke – don’t put your unprotected dick into her. . . I realy don’t want to be known as the girl who contracted an std be… | /r/MensRights | 21/05/15 08:05 AM |
| -23 | Nungesser family speaks out, calls graduation ceremony "deeply humiliating"..."They have turned [our son's] life into a nightmare"Have you read her annotation of the events? http://www.scribd.com/doc/254707657/Annotated-messages Its also consistent with the fact that she'd apparently been raped before: i actually hate John Doe like if a girl is about to puke – don’t put your unprotected dick into her. . . I realy don’t want to be known as the girl who contracted an std because she was drunk you know? it is more his fault for fucking me unconscious – i mean i was conscious but clearly not in my right mind. . . i was literal… | /r/MensRights | 21/05/15 07:45 AM |
| -48 | Nungesser family speaks out, calls graduation ceremony "deeply humiliating"..."They have turned [our son's] life into a nightmare"To be honest, I haven't seen any evidence implying she is an outright false accuser. From the evidence available, it really comes down to his word against hers. Her annotation of the FB conversations paints an entirely plausible account of events which she's had corroborated by other people. Pretty scary this sub will uncritically jump to an alleged rapist's side simply because he has a version of the story. | /r/MensRights | 21/05/15 06:16 AM |
| 1 | Why Some Male Members of Congress Won’t Be Alone with Female StaffersFair enough. I guess its hard to discuss criminal pathology in the space of a few paragraphs, but that's not important to me. Can you respond to the latter half of the comment which is the crux of the discussion? | /r/MensRights | 18/05/15 05:03 PM |
| 1 | Why Some Male Members of Congress Won’t Be Alone with Female StaffersJust because people do not gain in any tangible way from doing something, does not mean that they would rarely do it. Harassment results in catharsis for the assaulter and is a means of asserting power over someone who is provoking or disagreeing with you. Its an unconscious, primal action done in the heat of the moment. Likening that to a false allegation is disingenuous unless you mean to say women instinctively cry 'rape' and enter into a long, arduous court case before breaking out of some t… | /r/MensRights | 18/05/15 07:37 AM |
| 1 | Why Some Male Members of Congress Won’t Be Alone with Female StaffersI'd recommend reading this paper for some more info. Thanks for the resource. I took the 2.1% at face value. Unreported rapes have nothing to do with that - no one is claiming that rape is extremely rare. Ah, I see your point now. How is that relevant to the discussion? It's not. We're having a discussion on male congress members refusing to be alone with female staff at work for fear of false sexual assault allegations. How is it irrelevant? When you brought up assault, I assumed you meant sexu… | /r/MensRights | 17/05/15 06:46 AM |
| 0 | Why Some Male Members of Congress Won’t Be Alone with Female StaffersAustralian numbers differ - the most comprehensive study concluding 2.1%. Of course, when you extrude to 'unofficial' claims you have to include non-reported rapes, too. I don't see this as fruitful discussing because neither of us know whether the numbers are proportional. I am talking about regular assault I'm talking about sexual assault, which is characteristic of male-on-female assault in politics. I feel we're having different discussions. I don't think anywhere in this thread is it discus… | /r/MensRights | 17/05/15 03:07 AM |
| -1 | Why Some Male Members of Congress Won’t Be Alone with Female StaffersIn many cases of false rape claims, the accusers have little to no tangible gain from doing so. Which is why they are so rare, and even of those ruled false the reporter is often someone other than the victim (38%, I believe). "how does assaulting someone benefit the attacker in any way?" Power and sexual gratification. Abuse of their position, as victims know to keep their mouth shut or else lose their job and potentially career. Many politicians consider the attractiveness of their secretaries… | /r/MensRights | 17/05/15 02:18 AM |
| 1 | A woman posts her story about how a hotel called her to make sure a man didn't rape her, everyone thinks it's awesome.Who said the man wasn't Black? | /r/MensRights | 17/05/15 01:45 AM |
| 0 | Why Some Male Members of Congress Won’t Be Alone with Female StaffersYes, that's essentially what I'm asking. Its ludicrous to think because there are women around, false accusations are inevitable - even if they go against all of their best interests, stall their career and make themselves a pariah throughout politics - to the extent that all 1-on-1 interactions are barred. It also seems that people of this sub believe false harassment claims are more prevalent than, you know, actual harassment. Its much more likely in place to protect the women; politics having… | /r/MensRights | 17/05/15 01:21 AM |
| 1 | Why Some Male Members of Congress Won’t Be Alone with Female StaffersHonest question: how would filing a sexual harassment claim benefit these women in any way? Do you even have so much as a precedent? Which women have risen to the top on the tailcoat of a lawsuit? | /r/MensRights | 16/05/15 08:42 AM |
| 0 | I see some pretty big reactions to the idea of "rape culture" from this sub. Check out this poor bugger to get your head around it.If there's a man it's rape. Wow, you sure know how to argue in good faith. What do your links have to do with anything? Male rape victims who never said 'no' or showed resistance. Nowhere near as uncommon as you seem to think it is, considering its implausible I've ever even met someone with a similar experience. That out of context Koss quote has been debunked. I'd argue society's considering of raped men as 'gay' and feminised as rooted in misogyny which contributes to the latter point, "Assum… | /r/MensRights | 09/05/15 05:28 PM |
| -118 | Man takes selfie with Darth Vader. Woman names and shames him on Facebook claiming this makes him a child molester.Do we just call everyone an SJW now? | /r/MensRights | 09/05/15 03:34 PM |
| 1 | I see some pretty big reactions to the idea of "rape culture" from this sub. Check out this poor bugger to get your head around it.Talking about rape culture doesn't mean talking about male victims necessarily. Except that's precisely what they did - the idea men are 'always up for it' and thus can't be raped, or that male victims are gay or 'feminised' as a result of their abuse is a direct consequence of this theorised culture. See: 1, 2, 3 and 4 from the same campaign. We were discussing how feminists use the term "rape culture" dear. Please try to focus. I was responding to your dismissal of the activism and campaigning… | /r/MensRights | 09/05/15 02:45 PM |
| -2 | I see some pretty big reactions to the idea of "rape culture" from this sub. Check out this poor bugger to get your head around it.Definitely no grey areas anywhere. Sure there are. This isn't one. I met this feminist who said male rape victims don't matter and that they should be thankful for the privilege. See, the thing is you can go on any reddit thread about male victims of rape and read countless stories like these. You, on the other hand, can't point to a single instance of a feminist saying anything remotely like male rape victims should feel 'privileged' for having been raped, and that they, "don't matter." | /r/MensRights | 09/05/15 10:05 AM |
| 1 | I see some pretty big reactions to the idea of "rape culture" from this sub. Check out this poor bugger to get your head around it.I think you're right about 'Its On Us'. Its a government campaign, so it hasn't used any politicised terms and resorts to watered down language i.e. Joe Biden stating, "It’s on all of us to change the culture that asks the wrong questions, and our culture still asks the wrong questions," I've personally attended Project Unbreakable talks, which I know addresses rape culture. Here's a comment from the organisation's director. 7000 in Solidarity - What Can We Do To Upset Rape Culture? 'Take Back t… | /r/MensRights | 09/05/15 06:30 AM |
| 1 | I see some pretty big reactions to the idea of "rape culture" from this sub. Check out this poor bugger to get your head around it.Nice example. Here's a number of examples of major feminist campaigns including men in rape culture which you can ignore: 'Its On Us'. Website. Project Unbreakable. Website. '7000 in solidarity'. Website. 'Take Back the Night'. Website. Rape is Rape. 'Why rape is sincerely hilarious' by feminist comedian Andrew Bailey who authored the post in Everyday Feminism. Oh, wait. Wasn't Everyday Feminism supposed to ignore male victims? Looks like someone forgot to research. | /r/MensRights | 08/05/15 02:40 PM |
| -4 | I see some pretty big reactions to the idea of "rape culture" from this sub. Check out this poor bugger to get your head around it.You are desperate to make this personal I absolutely am. I seriously cannot fathom how you think his retelling of the situation falls within the realm of normal sexual encounters. Funny how you just happen to have a personal anecdote with no details that perfectly matches the situation at hand. I know! Its almost as if feminists who engage in actual activism against rape and rape culture meet with victims and discuss their experiences. Let him post his story here and we'll see how it goes. I thi… | /r/MensRights | 08/05/15 02:18 PM |
| -3 | I see some pretty big reactions to the idea of "rape culture" from this sub. Check out this poor bugger to get your head around it.Ok, if your experiences with sex involve a woman ignoring you all throughout the lead-up, fiddling with her phone in an area without service and leaving the second you are out of eyesight, I have some bad news... Good to know that you view adult women and young boys as being equally competent to make decisions for themselves. No, a better example would be a man I know personally who was too afraid to say 'no', and who's female abuser probably doesn't know she raped him. Glad that MRAs will suppo… | /r/MensRights | 08/05/15 01:41 PM |
| -2 | I see some pretty big reactions to the idea of "rape culture" from this sub. Check out this poor bugger to get your head around it.Man too afraid to say no? - rape victim. Woman afraid to say no? - maybe you shouldn't have screamed, "fuck me harder!" If you didn't understand why /r/MensRights is considered a hate group, and why there's so much redpill overlap in subscribers, you should now. | /r/MensRights | 08/05/15 07:27 AM |
| -1 | I see some pretty big reactions to the idea of "rape culture" from this sub. Check out this poor bugger to get your head around it.I know, right? I had a buddy who said he was raped by a girl (he's twice her size, fyi) and says she didn't stop because he was too afraid to say 'no'. Now she doesn't even know she raped him. If I could take that large child's voting rights away, I would. | /r/MensRights | 08/05/15 05:08 AM |
| -6 | I see some pretty big reactions to the idea of "rape culture" from this sub. Check out this poor bugger to get your head around it.Have you even had sex before? (There must be a reason so many MRAs just happen to be incels.) You've got a thread of lawyers saying, "This was definitely rape," and your first instinct is to side with the rapist because he was 'confused'? You're gullible enough to think rapists never lie? I'm sure the boy molested by his two hot teachers and later bragged about it to classmates never said, "no." He was lucky, right? Its good to know if someone isn't kicking or screaming, /r/MensRights will say y… | /r/MensRights | 08/05/15 04:47 AM |
| 0 | I see some pretty big reactions to the idea of "rape culture" from this sub. Check out this poor bugger to get your head around it.Can you point me to an academic definition or paper on 'rape culture' which doesn't include male victims, unless it expressly says its focussing on the dynamic of male on female rape? (I know you haven't read anything about feminism, but its fun to try and make ideologues back up their nefarious claims.) | /r/MensRights | 07/05/15 11:23 PM |
| 4 | Imagine if gender reversed: 35y female teacher Brianne Altice who raped three male minors gets a Facebook Page of 4,436 likes saying "Don't let the dream of every student go to prison!"She pleaded not guilty. Without any further evidence, this could be a false accusation by those boys. Let's not make this a witch hunt and sidestep due process. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/15 05:46 AM |
| 1 | 8 high schools boys suspended for receiving pictures of female classmates nude, girls "verbally reprimanded but not suspended"The photo was shopped. Feminists have never endorsed the notion of 'stare rape'; you've been trolled by 4chan. | /r/MensRights | 28/04/15 08:08 AM |
| -2 | You are doing it right. It's 2015, not 1915 (X-post from /r/pics)So you think women's opinions shouldn't be criticised, even when voiced on a public platform containing misinformation? You sound like a female supremacist to me. | /r/MensRights | 25/04/15 03:01 AM |
| -9 | The word is spreading through the culture - Men’s rights activist to Fox News: Men need to avoid marriage at all costs - "Fox & Friends" asks "suffragent" Peter Lloyd if feminism is to blame for the destruction of marriageWhat is a 'success object', per se? Does that mean men's worth is determined by their accomplishments, i.e. success? Personally, as a man, I don't feel too oppressed by that. | /r/MensRights | 22/04/15 02:23 AM |
| -23 | My sister tweeted this a few days ago. Her views have created a rift between her and my whole family.I guess this sub is full of Black/Native American/Latino Lives Matter sentiments and the recent slew of murders by racist cops are some of its top posts. ...oh, wait. Well, autistic men and men with disabilities must be at the forefront of discussion on 'creep-shaming'. ...oh, wait. Then the MRM must be campaigning and opening up homeless shelters. ...oh, wait. Its almost as if this sub only addresses intersectionality when its convenient to them. | /r/MensRights | 22/04/15 02:11 AM |
| 1 | Scientist Bill Nye Buying Feminist Bulls**t: "50% of the people are women, so 50% of the scientists ougt to be women."Do they fight as hard as NOW fights for female privilege regarding visitation, "child" support and alimony in family court? Yes. When feminists get results in prison reform for men What kind of results, exactly? Isn't the issue framed on this sub as 'under-sentencing' of women? Are feminists supposed to make women commit more crimes that are equal in severity to those committed by men? Since feminism, the leniency of women's sentencing has decreased - more women are in prison currently than ever… | /r/MensRights | 16/04/15 05:01 AM |
| 1 | Scientist Bill Nye Buying Feminist Bulls**t: "50% of the people are women, so 50% of the scientists ougt to be women."pay lip service Is this a troll? Why conveniently scroll past the links for groups actively fighting to close the gender gap in military and manual labour - the most referenced issue in the parent. That's funny when feminists are the subject of discussion. There's so much wrong with that cherry picked wall of text I'm embarrassed its the basis of your ideology. Pretty funny you say that with a straight face in light of topics discussed here: 'women should be part of the draft' instead of 'let's … | /r/MensRights | 15/04/15 08:46 AM |
| 1 | Since Feminist aren't talking about it, why don't we discuss it. 3 of 5 womens rights activists in Beijing, China have been released after being detained since March for planning a protest against sexual harassment.http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comments/30q9mn/china_rejects_international_pleas_to_release_five/ http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comments/2ye7m1/china_detains_five_rights_campaigners_who_planned/ http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comments/2yi1eb/china_detains_womens_rights_activists_to/ http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comments/2yqbyn/five_feminist_activists_remain_in_police_custody/ http://www.np.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comments/30lodp/outrage_at_china_treatment_of_activists/ | /r/MensRights | 15/04/15 07:58 AM |
| -10 | Scientist Bill Nye Buying Feminist Bulls**t: "50% of the people are women, so 50% of the scientists ougt to be women."You'd be hard pressed to find a feminist who disagrees with you on those points. If you study the constructs of patriarchy, no doubt would 50% of inmates, suspensions/expulsions etc. be women without it. Feminists are doing quite a lot to equate manual labourers and soldiers w.r.t. to gender: http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/women/ http://www.nawic.com.au/app/ http://www.ausimm.com.au/ http://womeninmining.com/ http://www.transportwomen.com.au/about/ http://www.awia.org.au/ The same would be true o… | /r/MensRights | 13/04/15 08:12 AM |
| 1 | Men are slowly getting oppressedmen, unlike women, do not have in-group preference. Yes, because women were never given unequal pay or politically disenfranchised in any way. | /r/MensRights | 08/04/15 11:04 AM |
| 1 | Men are slowly getting oppressedHonest question: why isn't this sub more outraged that a majority male government and primarily male owned media isn't doing more for men's issues? | /r/MensRights | 08/04/15 10:03 AM |
| 0 | Famous YouTube star, Anna Akana, releases rape culture video. Video claims young boys are taught that rape is an "option"Absolutely it was a statement from ignorance - I took it for granted the treatment of female pornstars and the normalisation of their violence in mainstream porn (i.e. "[Love and Sex in an Age of Pornography] conveys that 88 per cent of scenes in mainstream porn show physically violent acts such as slapping, gagging or choking,") would affect perceptions of women. Interestingly enough, there aren't many longitudinal studies attempting to find correlations between pornography and attitudes about … | /r/MensRights | 08/04/15 05:29 AM |
| -4 | Famous YouTube star, Anna Akana, releases rape culture video. Video claims young boys are taught that rape is an "option"I got bored and found this and this after a quick search. I think that's sufficient to justify my incredibly vague claim, "I consider it a source for some men's misogyny and disregard for women's agency, or at least contributive to those things." Found contradicting evidence for revenge porn - "men get threatened to have their photos exposed online more than women (12% vs. 8%) and often have the threats carried out more than women (63% vs. 50%)." Seems that women report it more while it happens … | /r/MensRights | 07/04/15 07:07 PM |
| -7 | Famous YouTube star, Anna Akana, releases rape culture video. Video claims young boys are taught that rape is an "option"Another myth: only men watch porn. Where did I say this? I'm talking specifically about men watching porn which, in its most mainstream capacity, involves male domination and violence: "[Love and Sex in an Age of Pornography] conveys that 88 per cent of scenes in mainstream porn show physically violent acts such as slapping, gagging or choking," the porn in which the male actor directly calls the woman degrading names I'm talking more about porn titles. women generally watch this type of porn mo… | /r/MensRights | 07/04/15 05:10 PM |
| -5 | Famous YouTube star, Anna Akana, releases rape culture video. Video claims young boys are taught that rape is an "option"Baseless assertion. Ok. Let's agree to disagree that porn influences men's ideas about women, or that it could exist in a less misogynistic capacity. Baseless assertion attempted to be supported by cherry picking. Revenge Porn on wikipedia. Second paragraph - "with victims mostly being women." And now you use your sick associations in the past and project on men in society in general. I'm not projecting it on men in general. I'm simply not denying its existence as an a) behaviour commonly associ… | /r/MensRights | 07/04/15 04:16 PM |
| -6 | Famous YouTube star, Anna Akana, releases rape culture video. Video claims young boys are taught that rape is an "option"your... implication that it causes "rape" or "rape hysteria." I'm not trying to imply it necessarily causes rape. I'm simply highlighting it in the same way this sub will discuss portrayals of female on male violence in media as funny, or the idea 'men always want it', and go on to talk about their broader implications in male rape and DV. When its hard to find a hetero porn title where the actress isn't referred to as a misogynistic slur (and where male performers are rarely given slurs), I con… | /r/MensRights | 07/04/15 03:42 PM |
| -13 | Famous YouTube star, Anna Akana, releases rape culture video. Video claims young boys are taught that rape is an "option"I should probably add an "ex-friends" to that, but you seem out of touch with typical frat culture. To indicate statements like these are outside the realm of normal 'bro' behaviour seems in bad faith, especially seeing the most upvoted response to my comment is a justification of it. I'm glad you've isolated yourself from those people, but it doesn't mean they've magically disappeared and aren't behaving in ways which cause material harm and make people with an actual propensity for rape feel e… | /r/MensRights | 07/04/15 02:17 PM |
| -31 | Famous YouTube star, Anna Akana, releases rape culture video. Video claims young boys are taught that rape is an "option"When you consider men's exposure to pornography, referring to women as 'slut', 'dirty whore', 'bitch' etc. who routinely get to have their 'pussy stretched by his massive cock' and where even the most mainstream kinds involve slapping and choking of the female actress. (Never have I witnessed us men collectively protesting this.) When women receive violent vitriol for turning down men's sexual advances online, and receiving dick pics is commonplace. Better still, girls are called sluts when they… | /r/MensRights | 07/04/15 01:28 PM |
| 1 | Physically Abused Boyfriend Hits Girlfriend Back In Public Experiment!Don't censor them. Its just their opinion. I thought this sub was for free speech. | /r/MensRights | 07/04/15 12:47 PM |
| 2 | Men are slowly getting oppressedNot to drudge on this tired discussion, but I wanted to add: Lessened male life expectancy isn't a metric for male oppression when it exists in countries where women are subject to routine honour killings, are unable to leave houses unaccompanied and unveiled, wedded in childhood etc. Class oppression? Religious oppression? Absolutely, but you're kinda arguing yourself in circles to claim an all male political body oppresses men along an axis of maleness. While factors like testosterone play int… | /r/MensRights | 06/04/15 02:46 PM |
| 1 | Men are slowly getting oppressedThe fact that men STILL die younger in "patriarchal" countries should probably have given you a clue that your worldview is absurd. The fact you think countries where women can't leave the house unaccompanied or unveiled, are being killed for 'honour', wedded as children, stoned for their own rape etc. aren't patriarchal should probably give you a clue that determining a patriarchy based on a handful of extra years lived is absurd. I'm not talking about "someone hurt my feelings," Boy, its easy … | /r/MensRights | 06/04/15 02:05 PM |
| -2 | Men are slowly getting oppressedmen die 10 years younger Actually, in the US, its between 5 and 6 years. Further, even the most patriarchal nations - Burma, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen - have men dying earlier than women and 'feminist countries' like Sweden and Norway have a smaller gap. they are locked up in prison at 100x the rate of women Actually, they are represented 10 times as much in prison. Studies show women are given more lenient sentences than men, but to say men are locked up "100x the rate of women… | /r/MensRights | 06/04/15 03:57 AM |
| -1 | Ontario's new "Who Will You Help" campaign to stop sexual violence has the most blatantly discriminatory commercial I have ever seen.That's just about the biggest 1st world problem I've heard. "Oh my God, living in Ontario is just HELL!" | /r/MensRights | 02/04/15 11:26 AM |
| -4 | Ontario's new "Who Will You Help" campaign to stop sexual violence has the most blatantly discriminatory commercial I have ever seen.I know, right? Billie Holiday and Ella Fitzgerald were the top jazz musicians of their day, yet still we had the Civil Rights Movement and 2nd Wave Feminism. | /r/MensRights | 02/04/15 11:16 AM |
| -1 | Is DC following Marvel off the cliff? (Article in comments)Its hard to find examples online, but it certainly does exist - usually when the villain has attacked the hero or someone they love personally. In this instance, Wonder Woman is letting the person specifically victimised get her revenge in. Once again, since you professed yourself a non-comic reader, I'm not sure why you're challenging the long-standing nature of comics. | /r/MensRights | 30/03/15 12:57 AM |
| -1 | Is DC following Marvel off the cliff? (Article in comments)"if a man is saying things that you don't like, punching him in the mouth is the solution". I mean, that's essentially cannon in comic books. The villain is usually detained by the hero, and when offensive stuff is said the hero uses that as loose justification to punch them and rough them up a bit. Interesting you only care when its a woman carrying out the violence. So much for an 'empathy gap' when your movement is the one promoting it. | /r/MensRights | 29/03/15 11:33 PM |
| -3 | Angry Feminist Backlash Not Enough To Get Young Hollywood Star To Change Her ViewsEven better question - when was the last time a celebrity said, "I am not a men's rights activist,"? You castrate and accuse of not getting laid famous men who call themselves feminists. | /r/MensRights | 26/03/15 12:01 PM |
| -3 | Swedish feminist organization attacks company for a "sexually objectifying" ad. They hit back: It is objectifying... to our male customers.You seldom see women - even those who watch porn regularly - have a preferred male porn actor Are you kidding? James Deen. Porn isn't directed to showcase the man; he's usually faceless, often not particularly attractive and only there for male viewers in which to import themselves. Further, your argument falls down big time when you consider women tend to read romance novels, with long and humanising descriptions of the male lead, while men select from an endless array of videos where the actre… | /r/MensRights | 26/03/15 11:49 AM |
| 1 | Swedish feminist organization attacks company for a "sexually objectifying" ad. They hit back: It is objectifying... to our male customers.men are reduced to sexual animals. If men actually cared, we'd be protesting these ads alongside women. We stand to benefit from having our behaviour excused because 'its just how guys are', and incentivising women to appear more 'sexy' to us due to the saturation of scantily clad women throughout media. or we'd have no strippers I don't know how you can possibly say that. The overwhelming majority of sex workers have no other financial recourse, with an equally high percentage having experience… | /r/MensRights | 26/03/15 09:59 AM |
| -2 | Good news: McGill says no to women-only gym hours.Your logic to make me out to be sexist is laughable. Supporting the stance of women = sexism against women. Genius! If I were to support campaigns educating women they can, contrary to popular belief, hurt a man when hitting or slapping and that they should take such actions seriously to prevent a culture where they are normalised, would I be accused of sexism against men? I mean, men on average men are stronger than women and capable of defending themselves - I guess I'm implying men are weak. … | /r/MensRights | 23/03/15 05:46 AM |
| -6 | College male sexual assault victim here. Where's my parade?"In the context of the paper... Mary Koss was suggesting that using the label 'rape' in a victimization survey seeking to understand the prevalence of sexual violence against men perpetrated by women is inappropriate because men may be less likely to use that label themselves." ... "despite reporting being made to penetrate against their will on the NISVS, men were not reporting these experiences as rape on the NCVS, and so those experiences were being overlooked due to the poor design of the pr… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/15 02:20 AM |
| -5 | College male sexual assault victim here. Where's my parade?This has been thoroughly debunked already. No doubt you're just parroting the out of context quote you copy and pasted from AVfM. | /r/MensRights | 22/03/15 05:54 PM |
| -1 | College male sexual assault victim here. Where's my parade?"(For the most part, this entry will assume male perpetrators and female victims.)" Right there in the first paragraph. Nowhere is it implied men can't be raped. | /r/MensRights | 22/03/15 05:41 PM |
| -4 | Good news: McGill says no to women-only gym hours.I'm not doing jack shit. They're the ones asking for women only hours, not me. I'm the one realising this sub isn't a place for dissenting viewpoints. | /r/MensRights | 22/03/15 05:16 PM |
| -9 | College male sexual assault victim here. Where's my parade?Your experience is radically different from mine because it apparently doesn't exist. If it were true, I wouldn't have found these posts after a 20 second search on /r/Feminism. I'm not sure what your action-ops entailed, but talking about male rape and sexual assault are no taboo. | /r/MensRights | 22/03/15 02:50 PM |
| -20 | Good news: McGill says no to women-only gym hours.But not big strong men, of course, who have to bare the oppression of the word 'creep' and T-mobile ads. Only in a twisted, MRA's mind is making a stand against shitty treatment considered 'weak'. Perhaps that's why this sub prefers to sit online and whine instead of going into the real world and changing things. | /r/MensRights | 22/03/15 01:16 PM |
| -13 | Good news: McGill says no to women-only gym hours.Very mature to think the issue is having to work-out near "icky" men. I see you've tried hard to understand the opposing side's viewpoint. | /r/MensRights | 22/03/15 01:05 PM |
| -22 | Good news: McGill says no to women-only gym hours.Yes, according to the man to whom none of this has ever happened. | /r/MensRights | 22/03/15 12:49 PM |
| -15 | College male sexual assault victim here. Where's my parade?In all of feminist literature and theory, there is nothing that says men can't be raped because of balances of power in society. The only time I see this uttered is when people strawman the academic "sexism/classism/racism etc. is prejudice + power" definition and apply it in instances where it makes no sense (e.g. women can't murder men because murder = killing + power). Do I doubt he's a victim of assault? Absolutely not. But I have always found feminists on university campuses extremely accep… | /r/MensRights | 22/03/15 12:05 PM |
| -11 | Good news: McGill says no to women-only gym hours.I'm just not dismissing the idea of women paying extra for women's only hours out of hand (i.e. if not paying extra, they can use the gym all other times like everyone else). An instance of 'voting with wallets' which I haven't heard discussed in these cases. Perhaps there could be a membership option to only use the gym during women-only hours. Its an interesting idea, and I can see the counter-arguments, but nothing strikes me as to why I haven't heard it discussed in these cases. | /r/MensRights | 22/03/15 11:49 AM |
| -18 | Good news: McGill says no to women-only gym hours.Women pay extra on top of their membership to use the gym during women-only hours? That's an option. The counter to this is the reasons women desire women-only hours shouldn't actually exist and making them pay extra for lifting spaces without them is unfair. Gym/lifting culture tends to be very homophobic, and no doubt you'd think it unfair LGBT users having to pay extra for time to themselves to avoid it. However, if women don't find their gym environment to be troublesome then they don't need… | /r/MensRights | 22/03/15 10:52 AM |
| -35 | Good news: McGill says no to women-only gym hours.Perhaps, but there are no men worried about women's continual advances on them, transparent and condescending attempts to 'correct' form or staring and potential filming (increasingly popular nowadays) while trying to work out. I have no idea why we as men would want weight room time to ourselves when its an overwhelming male area and the reasons women cite for wanting their own time don't apply to us. | /r/MensRights | 22/03/15 08:53 AM |
| -5 | Is there a single feminist who accepts the fact that men are on average worse off than women according almost all statistics measuring the quality of life and discrimination?MRAs bring up creep shaming to counter slut shaming. Yes, the fantastic counter, "Women who have lots of sex, or are even perceived to, are demonised for it, but when I go to a club and buy women I've never met a drink, or don't read social cues that she's not interested and persist in courting her I'm called a creep! Its exactly the same! I'm not going to reflect on my behaviour at all!" Very compelling. Its OK. I'm sure she only said those things because you're unattractive, though. incarcerat… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/15 02:57 AM |
| 0 | More male CEOs = outrage. More male factory workers = never mentioned.I mean, women aren't forcing men to commit crime (ignoring class, race boundaries, of course). Either you're a conspiracy theorist thinking women commit a lot of crime underground somewhere, or you're in denial when looking plain statistics in the face. Women aren't saying men are more violent by virtue of being men; the scholarship of toxic masculinity is very robust in patriarchy theory. You know those same men telling you to 'man up', 'don't be a pussy', 'I'm going to make you my bitch', the … | /r/MensRights | 21/03/15 01:31 AM |
| -6 | More male CEOs = outrage. More male factory workers = never mentioned.97% of on the job deaths are men = not even worth mentioning Yes, I wonder why deaths in jobs that women have historically been excluded from and are still discouraged from entering today, are openly discriminated in and have the highest incidence of sexual assault are disproportionately male. But I'm sure feminists aren't trying to get women into those jobs... http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/women/ http://www.nawic.com.au/app/ http://www.ausimm.com.au/ http://womeninmining.com/ http://www.transpo… | /r/MensRights | 20/03/15 12:45 PM |
| -22 | Is there a single feminist who accepts the fact that men are on average worse off than women according almost all statistics measuring the quality of life and discrimination?I think you are missing the even bigger picture; some woman called me a creep at a bar. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/15 11:27 AM |
| 1 | Uh-oh a homicide detective suggested women take reasonable precautions time for feminist outrage and shrieks of "glorification of toxic masculinity".rape is a crime there isn't just some misunderstanding where people go out raping single women in parks and they haven't been told that rape is wrong. Just like gay bashing is a misunderstanding? Further, you seem to characterise rapists as being 'mentally deranged' and beyond rehabilitation. If that were true, no other country would have lower statistics on rape. Feminists know criminals have been taught rape is wrong - they aren't advocating every man write it out 100 times. They're pointing o… | /r/MensRights | 20/03/15 07:10 AM |
| -1 | Uh-oh a homicide detective suggested women take reasonable precautions time for feminist outrage and shrieks of "glorification of toxic masculinity".Its actually more like we should address society's homophobia instead of going around telling gay people they shouldn't hold their partner's hands or walk through religious areas for fear of bashing. You seem to have no trouble telling all women what they should and shouldn't do to avoid rape, so there's no moral dilemma for women to say we should teach men about consent, objectification, sexual assault and rape. A lot of us may not need it and go our lives never sexually harassing others, but m… | /r/MensRights | 20/03/15 03:21 AM |
| -5 | Refuting this "feminist" narrative about how men can't be compromised in comic books. Pretty cool [X-Post r/tumblrInAction]I don't have an issue with his other work - that's an odd red-herring to make. I'm saying don't play innocent when, in all of his artistic repertory, the only other time he used this particular pose was to depict exhibitionism. Classic case of a comic artist sexualising the female lead, then doubling down as soon as he is criticised. The worst part is this sub is gullible enough to think artists and comic book producers don't see the benefit of sexing-up female characters to appeal to their pred… | /r/MensRights | 19/03/15 05:02 AM |
| -7 | Refuting this "feminist" narrative about how men can't be compromised in comic books. Pretty cool [X-Post r/tumblrInAction]Yes, because there was no parallel between that cover of Spiderwoman and other sexualised depictions by the same artist. | /r/MensRights | 19/03/15 03:01 AM |
| -4 | Florida feminist groups are trying to derail the Alimony Reform Bill (2015 edition)stop using housekeeping as an excuse to leech off someone else. What makes you think women are doing this? I know a lot of mothers who have careers, but unfortunately they are capped (for a multiplicity of reasons); one being their expected role as primary caretaker. Child is sick and has to stay home, mum takes time off work. Mum makes appointments, drives kid to and attends events etc. They choose safe work close to home without much option to consider upward mobility. You should be encouragin… | /r/MensRights | 14/03/15 12:39 PM |
| -16 | Florida feminist groups are trying to derail the Alimony Reform Bill (2015 edition)Amazing how feminists still claim alimony is gender neutral. Well, its no surprise to feminists that men out-earn women, and that women's careers are put on hold to support men's. If you actually cared about that statistic, there'd be a greater push for men to be stay-at-home parents and the primary caretaker in relationships. The laws on alimony are gender neutral, yes. Women work far fewer hours than men do Exaggeration much? Women also overwhelmingly look after children. odds are, they didn't… | /r/MensRights | 14/03/15 05:26 AM |
| 6 | Reddit: can anyone clean up the mess behind 'the front page of the internet… "We knew it was coming just a drumbeat more will follow"Yes, while MRAs complain they're being oppressed by the word 'creep'. | /r/MensRights | 13/03/15 02:42 AM |
| -6 | It's actually pretty disturbing that a feminist can claim this despite literally the exact opposite happening.it was patriarchy that killed those two women, manifest in the men's rights movement. Men's Rights in its connection to redpill and PUA circles. Following the killings this sub went out of its way for the first time to separate itself from those groups publicly although there is still a large crossover of subscribers. He also was avidly anti-creepshaming when, to no one's surprise, he was a massive creep himself. Further, its hard to rule out the complicity of patriarchal thought with his ration… | /r/MensRights | 13/03/15 12:52 AM |
| -10 | It's actually pretty disturbing that a feminist can claim this despite literally the exact opposite happening.The men killed were his roommates he was afraid would snitch on him and a by-stander. He planned to massacre an entire sorority house before being stopped. The amount you people go on about a shut case makes it seem you wish more women were killed. | /r/MensRights | 12/03/15 02:13 PM |
| 0 | Brazil enacts femicide lawWhy are murders due to domestic violence worse or more worthy of legislation than murders that occur in other contexts? Because they are trying to send a message and protect a vulnerable group within a greater culture of mass violence. why does the law have to be gender-specific? Because that is the very purpose of jurisprudence - "Problems of law as a particular social institution as it relates to the larger political and social situation in which it exists." Why not make a gender-neutral DV mu… | /r/MensRights | 11/03/15 12:44 AM |
| -2 | Brazil enacts femicide lawstatistically men are victims of DV more often women Do you have any statistics for Brazil? I'm not going to argue the problematic nature of reciprocal DV (none show greater risk for men than women, at that), but having done a little bit of research it is at epidemic levels against women. Figures for men reflect a small minority of this problem. | /r/MensRights | 11/03/15 12:26 AM |
| -8 | Brazil enacts femicide lawYour comment makes out as though you didn't read the article. "The new legislation alters the criminal code to describe femicide as any crime that involves domestic violence, contempt or discrimination against women." It isn't applied uncritically to any woman murdered as you and 5th_Law below seem to imply. This is following in the footsteps of a number of Latin American countries before them, including Guatemala and Chile, forcing police to investigate the gendered nature of homicide when a wo… | /r/MensRights | 10/03/15 01:58 PM |
| 0 | It's not fair.You literally see the two options as getting pregnant with no input from your partner or forced abortions. Nothing in between. Not really. I see the two options as accidental pregnancy or the mother getting herself pregnant from a man without his consent, for which there are laws protecting men and the incident rate is staggeringly low. With no financial recourse from the state or the father, this is forcing an abortion on the mother. Otherwise, she has the child and lives in debt or subjects th… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/15 08:30 AM |
| 0 | It's not fair.So only have kids you intend to keep. What a nightmare world that would be eh? One where both parents sit down like adults and discuss the feasibilty of having a child and only do so when it can be brought in to a loving and supportive home with two parents capable and willing to support it. This seems to contradict this statement: I'm saying the opposite. The literal exact opposite. Forced abortions are abhorrent. For a whole host of reasons, including religious belief, women may not have abort… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/15 11:54 PM |
| -3 | It's not fair.The ban in France was supported by feminists. Great source, random internet person! While the left only treats men shittily. If a woman wants to hand the man from whom she got pregnant (Does that meet your lingual standards?) their child that he wanted and run off, as countless fathers do, is she absolved from having to pay child support? Also, is that an admission to my initial claim this sub has right-wing views on reproductive rights? That isn't happening here. Nice strawman though. Never sai… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/15 12:29 AM |
| -22 | It's not fair.Notice how you make the man the actor here and the woman the passive object acted upon. Wow, so you actually acknowledge the paternalistic constructs of language? To be fair, I don't know a neutral phrase to describe the means by which pregnancy is caused. And feminists tend to support these bans. Go on. Prove it. The "man up and accept your responsibilities" mantra is pretty strong on the right. Yes. So is the, "She should have just closed her legs," mantra. Further, so is the demonisation of s… | /r/MensRights | 06/03/15 04:27 PM |
| 8 | More research stating that Women don't go into STEM due to their own choices, not due to sexismYeah, women are given no incentives or support in those fields... http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/women/ http://www.nawic.com.au/app/ http://www.ausimm.com.au/ http://womeninmining.com/ http://www.transportwomen.com.au/about/ Oh. Sorry if I just oppressed you by doing 3 seconds of research. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/15 04:11 PM |
| -12 | It's not fair.What exactly do you plan on doing? Force women to have abortions? Cheapen the role of fatherhood by saying he can impregnate a woman then run away placing the entirety of the burden on her? Isn't that unfair? I mean, you'd be hard bent to find someone in favour of refusing paternity tests when a father is unsure if a child is his, but the initial points indicate how far right wing this sub is on reproduction rights. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/15 03:53 PM |
| 1 | Pretty sure that's a terrible comparison...Yes or no: a group of humans with a higher female-to-male ratio can reproduce more quickly than the reverse? Yes. Logically, one man could impregnate many women. However, most societies have operated with more males than females. In medieval England, there were close to 1/3 more males. You keep hypothesising groups on the brink of extinction. However, for a majority of human civilisation, with female infanticide being a large factor, this has not been the case. Do you believe that, of all the cr… | /r/MensRights | 06/03/15 06:12 AM |
| -1 | Pretty sure that's a terrible comparison...Female infanticide. Historically practiced in many cultures, very prevalent today in Pakistan, India and China. Infanticide is common in human civilisations, but females have always been disproportionately targeted. women are almost always protected from the kind of dangerous work that men are obligated to do. Pick up a goddamn history book. The BadHistory post on Women in Dangerous Jobs is a good introduction, but it only really scratches the surface. Note in the comments mention of Mule Scaven… | /r/MensRights | 05/03/15 06:32 AM |
| -2 | Pretty sure that's a terrible comparison...I won't respond to all parts of this as its quite long and I'm not interested continuing this discussion much further. If the whole army is wiped out, the few men left can still repopulate the tribe. If all the women were killed off, they could not reproduce fast enough to repopulate. This is awful science and anthropology. If all the men die off in war, that's the collapse of that civilisation. Further, if any disaster were to miraculously kill off a good majority of women, then that civilisati… | /r/MensRights | 03/03/15 04:09 PM |
| 1 | Are you kidding me? "If Our Sons Were Treated Like Our Daughters"I know I'm beating a dead horse with this, but observe this comment today on adult dancers and the number of upvotes it received: "They were obviously not normal girls, and you could tell that they got a lot of their self worth through outward validation. Lots of daddy issues." Note, a vast majority of sex workers are victims of sexual abuse, addiction and many face homelessness, and this guy can come along and claim 'daddy issues' about a deeply marginalised group. Now, /u/painbod trots in here… | /r/MensRights | 03/03/15 03:25 AM |
| 0 | Pretty sure that's a terrible comparison...Sorry, dude, but here are the actual numbers: The results in column 1 show that the survival rate of women is 16.7 percentage points lower than, or about half of (17.9 vs. 34.6%) that of men. The Titanic was an exception because of the poor survival rate of women in all other shipwrecks. | /r/MensRights | 02/03/15 09:54 AM |
| -2 | Pretty sure that's a terrible comparison...coloured, gay... men I'll grant abused and lower class/homeless (even though this sub has done jack shit for them besides berating a university with false accusations), but you can't say you're for gay men if you don't draw attention to how so-called 'pedophile hysteria' disproportionately affects them, and how 'shaming of male sexuality' only applies to straight men. You can't say you're for Black or Native or Latino men when there are literally no posts on the countless headlines made about co… | /r/MensRights | 02/03/15 09:37 AM |
| -2 | Pretty sure that's a terrible comparison...Ever wonder why so many video games have you slaughter endless waves of all-male enemies? Because women have historically been excluded from all armed forces until very recently under the belief they were utterly incapable? Your argument also falls down if you consider gay people receive this treatment, too. Aren't men the overwhelming majority committing violence to begin with? I think this adds realism, though wouldn't be against slaughtering an all female army if someone were taking a politic… | /r/MensRights | 02/03/15 06:14 AM |
| -5 | Pretty sure that's a terrible comparison...Who? The individuals who frequent this sub with the belief straight, White middle-class men face oppression in the Western world? | /r/MensRights | 02/03/15 05:59 AM |
| -11 | Pretty sure that's a terrible comparison...If women want to be treated as equal You can always tell the misogynist when they peddle this line. Its not about 'wanting' equality, its about equality being a basic human right. Men aren't at greater risk for random attacks for sole fact of being men, either. Inflated rates for men are a result of being gang members, resolving quarrels through violence with other men, going through areas unaccompanied that women don't dare... Btw, what is the point of this sub if man supposedly, "walks out of … | /r/MensRights | 01/03/15 11:41 PM |
| -81 | Pretty sure that's a terrible comparison...I think you fail to understand the opposing side's argument. No one anywhere has ever said all men are "violent aggressors". In fact, that's the knee-jerk response the comic is satirising. People have merely pointed out that, in cases of online abuse, catcalling, sexual harassment and even rape, there are reasons why the majority of perpetrators are male. Further, its made very clear this is not inherent to 'maleness' but as a result of broader socialisation. As someone who's worked with sexual … | /r/MensRights | 01/03/15 11:44 AM |
| -2 | This is what is happening at my college.Ok, let me clear up some MRA lies for you. Yes, the term 'rape culture' was initially used by prison inmates. This was in a documentary called Rape Culture in 1975 where those very inmates were making the parallel between the culture of rape in male jails and that in the outside world for women - 13 ex-inmates who were founding members of a rape crisis centre called Men Against Rape in Lorton Prison. They also noted rape is about power, moreso than sex, which feminists, sociologists, psychologis… | /r/MensRights | 28/02/15 12:59 AM |
| -9 | This is what is happening at my college.There's no point conflating male rape with female rape as they exist in different capacities. Women's bodies are hyper-sexualised throughout all forms of media - you can't walk down a street without seeing multiple images of objectified women. There's the issue of porn which is predominantly consumed (and overwhelmingly controlled and made) by straight men where even the most mainstream films include choking, slapping, holding down with the female performer moaning and even crying while the male… | /r/MensRights | 27/02/15 08:08 AM |
| -1 | This is what is happening at my college.Yes. They're in the same report you linked, Tables 2.1 and 2.2. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/15 04:58 AM |
| -4 | This is what is happening at my college.The CDC responded to the identicality of past 12 month 'made to penetrate' for men and past 12 month 'rape' for women saying that you can't extrapolate the figures out to a lifetime victimisation rate - "combining the 12-month estimated number of female rape victims with the 12-month estimated number of male victims misses victims in the cells where reliable estimates were not reported due to small cell counts failing to meet statistical reliability criteria." Its disingenuous to claim that vict… | /r/MensRights | 27/02/15 04:36 AM |
| -8 | This is what is happening at my college.Out of curiosity, if statistics show a considerable skew in numbers for the gender of both perpetrators and victims, wouldn't you want that shown to characterise the situation of rape in our society? There seems to be no problem here discussing such a trend in reference to alimony though a spouse must pay it regardless of their gender where required. Further, wouldn't this skew in numbers be indicative of a broader socialisation where members of one gender are more likely to commit it than the o… | /r/MensRights | 27/02/15 12:30 AM |
| 0 | Are you kidding me? "If Our Sons Were Treated Like Our Daughters"I am so sorry for the abuse you endured, the consequent actions of your spineless parents and community and the later erasure and gaslighting of your experience. naturally almost every girl i slept with claimed to have been a rape victim. sometimes i'd ask them to tell me what happened and they'd either say they don't wanna talk about it, or stumble over words in their vague descriptions of the events. This is completely messed up. Never do this. You may be OK discussing your experiences with ot… | /r/MensRights | 27/02/15 12:18 AM |
| -2 | Are you kidding me? "If Our Sons Were Treated Like Our Daughters"Oh, believe me; there's no shortage of that. Also, "They can't get a boyfriend," or, "They're older now and people don't leer or harass them on the street," or "They're fat." Essentially the same stuff that's been said for the entire last century. The only difference is people often tell a woman she has 'daddy issues' when the father was either absent or abusive (especially toward sex workers). While some cases of motherly abuse on this sub will be quite severe, most of these 'mummy issues' read… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/15 10:44 AM |
| -18 | Are you kidding me? "If Our Sons Were Treated Like Our Daughters"Oh, so that's why people are MRAs. Mummy issues. This sub makes sense now. | /r/MensRights | 26/02/15 01:40 AM |
| 1 | Men jailed for rape of woman who admitted to being so drunk she did not know whether she had consented to sexIts not escaping anyone. You're just being made painfully aware that this sub and its ideology is now a hub for rape apologists. | /r/MensRights | 15/02/15 07:34 AM |
| 2 | I'm the mod of /v/Feminism and /v/AskFeminists at https://voat.co/Feminism doesn't infantalise women. Men have historically and continue to infantalise women. Feminism recognises this. | /r/MensRights | 13/02/15 12:17 AM |
| 1 | Why is it not considered as bad to call a male a dick as it is to call a female a cunt?I agree with you, but its used by men toward other men, sometimes as a term of endearment. You're not gonna enrage a White person too much by calling them the n-word. Further, on male dominated sites like reddit, 'cunt' is used exclusively as an insult for women, and endearing when aimed at a man. Take this sub, for example. Lastly, we can consider linguistics and the evolution of language. 'Negro' is a word no one uses anymore due to the circumstances it was borne from and the period during whi… | /r/MensRights | 11/02/15 05:59 AM |
| -1 | Why is it not considered as bad to call a male a dick as it is to call a female a cunt?'Boob' and 'tit' are routinely used insults stemming from female anatomy that offend no one. They have no history rooted in oppression nor do they try and police behaviour in a gendered way - just run of the mill insults. Terms like 'bitch', 'cunt', 'tart' etc. are rooted in oppression and were designed by men to either abuse women or keep them line. 'Dick', on the other hand, is a male owned term stemming from the rhyming slang for 'Richard' later associated with penises. It doesn't imply a per… | /r/MensRights | 11/02/15 12:55 AM |
| -6 | This is interesting. On California's Supreme Court, Women Justices Outnumber Men, and There Are No White Men.If you're silent about the over-representation of white men on supreme courts in all other states, why would you complain about the one instance where that isn't the case? Further, its up to White men to create their own groups to campaign for whatever rights they feel are infringed like women and racial minorities before them. What do you think is gonna happen - men's rights members are going to leave their keyboards and actually protest? Hah! Just send a few rape threats or whatever you people… | /r/MensRights | 10/02/15 08:55 AM |
| – | Columbia Student: I Didn’t Rape Her - Paul Nungesser was cleared of a rape charge but faced a harsh trial-by-media. Now, as new details come to light, he’s speaking out and fighting back.Her project sparked nationwide attention. Her professor would be ludicrous not to mark it highly. | /r/MensRights | 04/02/15 06:53 AM |
| 2 | Sorry, it's a boy. Screw you T-Mobile.Be completely honest with me, here: What happens most often in society? People commiserating a father for having a girl, or people commiserating mothers for having a boy? In fact, if your view is the latter, find me another reference to it in media. Seems to me like this is ad has taken a common trend and flipped the genders. | /r/MensRights | 02/02/15 08:24 AM |
| 1 | Sorority Anti-Rape Idea: Drinking on Own TurfI know what you mean. I had a friend pass out at a party and he ended up being raped by a woman who managed to get him hard. I was like, maybe if you'd been responsible about your drinking it would have never happened. What was he expecting? | /r/MensRights | 21/01/15 07:58 AM |
| 0 | I was pretty pleased with myselfIf women as a demographic wanted more women, they'd vote for them. That's quite a solipsistic view, and frankly a pretty clueless one. The US ranks 80th in the world for women's representation in politics. Further, people don't usually vote for candidates strictly because of their gender; there's these things called 'policies' and people want those in power who support their interests. Beyond that though, how are women supposed to vote more women in when they aren't there to vote for in the firs… | /r/MensRights | 08/01/15 01:54 PM |
| 1 | Because we all need to laugh, here are some recent "I need feminism" posts from tumblr, with commentaryIf 46 suspects are given to the police, and 3 are incarcerated, 43 are innocent. Haha, I'm going to take it you've never studied law. I'm also not sure why you'd concede that position as you imply all incarcerated persons charged of rape actually committed it, which is counter to the MRA narrative. Besides, that's not my point. Its simply that police don't just convict accused rapists willy-nilly and a woman's word isn't simply taken at face value leading to mass incarceration of men at a whim. … | /r/MensRights | 08/12/14 02:08 AM |
| 1 | Because we all need to laugh, here are some recent "I need feminism" posts from tumblr, with commentaryhttps://rainn.org/news-room/97-of-every-100-rapists-receive-no-punishment Here is the source. Notice I don't include speculated rapists. If 46 instances of rape are reported to police, and 3 of those reports lead to jail time for the accused, that is an incarceration rate of 6.5%. Regardless of whether the report was 'false' or not, the accused are pretty well off. | /r/MensRights | 08/12/14 01:14 AM |
| 1 | Because we all need to laugh, here are some recent "I need feminism" posts from tumblr, with commentaryhttp://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2og9np/between_15_and_75_of_men_are_estimated_to_be/ That's the 1.5-7.5% then why is the burden of getting consent fall only on the man Time and time again, no one on this sub will provide a legal precedent for this. I'm not arguing that never happens; what I do argue is that 99.9999% of the time no one accuses the other of rape and the scenario falls under regular 'drunk sex'. For whatever reason, this sub has fabricated the idea feminists are interes… | /r/MensRights | 08/12/14 01:03 AM |
| -7 | Because we all need to laugh, here are some recent "I need feminism" posts from tumblr, with commentaryThis isn't about your 'fee fees', its about actual facts. | /r/MensRights | 07/12/14 06:24 AM |
| -11 | Because we all need to laugh, here are some recent "I need feminism" posts from tumblr, with commentaryYou were actually close. First off, the concept of women calling sex they had while drunk, and later regretted, 'rape' happens infinitesimally less than what this sub will spout. As I said to the parent commenter, 10% of all people charged of rape face any jail time. Compound that by the fact (according to questionable numbers on the front page at the moment, but MRM numbers nonetheless) 1.5-7.5% of men are falsely accused, the number of men you advocate for in your quest against 'false rape acc… | /r/MensRights | 07/12/14 05:42 AM |
| -7 | Because we all need to laugh, here are some recent "I need feminism" posts from tumblr, with commentaryI honestly don't understand how you can say that. 10% of all people charged of rape face any prison time. You are wilfully ignorant. | /r/MensRights | 07/12/14 05:18 AM |
| -27 | Because we all need to laugh, here are some recent "I need feminism" posts from tumblr, with commentaryIt's pretty scary that you think it's common women lie about being raped in this way. Kind of confirms the idea MRAs are simply men with chips on their shoulder toward women, never doing any actual research on rape and sexual assault nor working in rape shelters and readily lap up this rape apologia en masse. I mean, a common talking point of those who advocate White Rights is how PoC (especially Black) lie about and exaggerate instances of hate crime. Shows how uncritical people on here are by … | /r/MensRights | 07/12/14 01:58 AM |
| 3 | This is what Canadian psychologists actually believeIt's been exaggerated. Certain artists may have had fetish for big women and this has misled many people into believing that big women were preferred generally. Really, though, the slim adolescent female body is the world-wide ideal. None of that is true. You really have not studied art and art history nor examined ideals of female beauty throughout different countries and cultures. I mean, just look at the practices of women and girls in Mauritius today to achieve their model of beauty. In trad… | /r/MensRights | 27/11/14 05:03 AM |
| 3 | This is what Canadian psychologists actually believeWhat we find sexually attractive is not taught, it is instinct. Not really. If this 13 year old were fat no one here would be saying she is more beautiful, yet throughout history fat women were held (and still are in many countries) as the pinnacle of beauty and sexuality. Take literally any course in art. Also, as a teenager under 15 years, she would likely die as a result of pregnancy and the difference in probability of producing healthy offspring than the woman next to her would be negligibl… | /r/MensRights | 27/11/14 04:02 AM |
| -8 | Weigh in on a discussion between my girlfriend and I regarding feminism.Huh? you mean when they completely ignore rape because if a male has an erection he's "giving consent"? Source, please. Feminists were the ones who campaigned and successfully included men in the definition of rape. What you have mentioned would never be entertained in mainstream Feminist thought. As a polysexual with both transgender and gay family and friends don't even suggest that feminism cares even the slightest about the LGBT community. If you're not a white cis female living in a develop… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/14 02:54 AM |
| -10 | Weigh in on a discussion between my girlfriend and I regarding feminism.I can't conceive why you'd think that was a good argument. Let's consider all the MRA talking points you'd have to throw out: Creep shaming Domestic violence underreporting and victims not being taken seriously False rape accusations Alimony Circumcision etc. If you're an MRA, you want men to achieve equal status with women - the MRM is about what you men consider 'equality'. Each listed thing can happen to either a man or woman. Feminism deals with men's issues: Gay, Bi, Pansexual and Asexual m… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/14 12:09 AM |
| -1 | All men are real men- can't shame us to servitude.Oh my God, this is hilarious. I can't imagine what kind of person would ever write this. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/14 01:40 PM |
| 1 | The hipocrisyYou're being purposely obtuse, here. First of all, its pretty obvious women don't like being called a slut. There's no concept of a slut in male terms - he's either a player or a stud. 'Slut Walks' are so radical because the women participating in them are wearing clothes as revealing as they'd like and remarking, "Wearing this doesn't make me a slut." Its sooo obvious you have no idea what you're talking about. Its almost like you heard the term 'Slut Walk' and said to yourself, 'yep, I know ex… | /r/MensRights | 21/11/14 08:26 PM |
| 1 | The hipocrisyMRA logic: *someone who thinks its not OK to call a woman a slut or associate any woman with that term is a misogynist. Sure, women can reclaim the term, but the concept of a 'slut' is inherently misogynistic and its no more appropriate to call a woman one than it is to use the n-word to a black person. This is too funny. How many men find cartoon women attractive? A lot, actually. Lara Croft even had a Playboy spread. If you can prove any claims without jumping to conclusions and appeals to emo… | /r/MensRights | 21/11/14 05:20 AM |
| 1 | The hipocrisyThe bias isn't 'subtle' - its quite huge and debilitating. The fact an elite scientist thinks its OK to wear a shirt like that is reflective of this. You didn't even read a study I linked; you're letting your hatred of women get in the way of looking at facts. Typical MRA - link peer reviewed articles (as requested) and they don't even look at them and continue living in their fabricated world. It isnt a huge stretch to say that shaming the depiction of a strong woman in revealing dress is slut … | /r/MensRights | 21/11/14 03:42 AM |
| 1 | The hipocrisyA t-shirt isn't keeping women out of science - sexism and gender discrimination is. As I've linked with peer reviewed articles and studies. Which you've handily ignored to make an absurd statement. The first part of your comment is ridiculous. 'Slut-shaming' is a term with an actual definition - its not hypocrisy if when you are calling out something you aren't doing yourself. I'm going to make this very simple for you: The day a woman in science can wear any of the outfits depicted on Matt's sh… | /r/MensRights | 20/11/14 03:32 PM |
| 0 | The hipocrisyI promised myself I wouldn't engage anyone on this... You have heard the term 'slut-shaming' in one setting and are now applying it in contexts where it makes no sense. 'Slut-shaming' refers to a choice. An example of slut-shaming a fictional woman would be in a movie where she wears a revealing outfit to a club, is sexually assaulted, and people critiquing the movie ask, "Well, what was she expecting?" The woman depicted on the shirt didn't choose to wear bondage clothing and hold guns - the ar… | /r/MensRights | 20/11/14 02:01 PM |
| 2 | Boy that Dr Matt Taylor is a real piece of shitLove it when the Spiderwoman topic comes up. Everyone is notably silent when they realise she bares stark resemblance to an earlier work by the same artist... | /r/MensRights | 15/11/14 01:05 PM |
| 1 | So my English teacher is an outspoken feminist. She has this magnet on her desk. It's a male stick figure bowing to a female stick figure. She just got done lecturing us about gender equality too.God, I love it when a zealot won't stop responding to my posts. This should be fun. That is simply meaningless language. Not really. Possession and knowledge of how to use firearms is something heavily skewed toward men - a "gendered behaviour", if you will. Suicide and mental health are, for the most part, intrinsically linked. If women want to kill themselves considerably more often than men do, it suggests trends can be found about the types of mental health issues they face and how they mani… | /r/MensRights | 13/11/14 05:32 AM |
| 1 | So my English teacher is an outspoken feminist. She has this magnet on her desk. It's a male stick figure bowing to a female stick figure. She just got done lecturing us about gender equality too.One is a discussion on gendered behaviour while the other is about trends of mental illness and depression between genders. I don't think mental health agencies are focussing on one side of the issue over the other - ads and campaigns predominantly cite the men being four times more likely to die from suicide to dismantle ideas about men not being vulnerable. I'm not even saying it should receive more attention. I'm just pointing out it needs attention. Just curious - how come this sub has never… | /r/MensRights | 13/11/14 03:21 AM |
| 1 | So my English teacher is an outspoken feminist. She has this magnet on her desk. It's a male stick figure bowing to a female stick figure. She just got done lecturing us about gender equality too.Very simple: Here is the Wikipedia excerpt: "In the Western world, males die three to four times more often by means of suicide than do females, although females attempt suicide four times more often. This has been attributed to males using more lethal means to end their lives." The differing methods of suicide between men and women are discussed here. Essentially, men are more likely to own and use firearms and will thus resort to them primarily for suicide, along with carbon monoxide and hangi… | /r/MensRights | 12/11/14 10:46 PM |
| 0 | So my English teacher is an outspoken feminist. She has this magnet on her desk. It's a male stick figure bowing to a female stick figure. She just got done lecturing us about gender equality too.So you are actually a historical revisionist. This is the kind of double-think required to be a proponent of the MRM. I can't wait for, "The way history is taught in academic institutions (you know, not some random dude who's given his perspective on a handful of online articles and historic laws) is run by Feminists!" I'd cite RAINN on rape statistics (not necessarily the most reliable) just to piss you off. You'd either have to stomach the '1 in 6 American women have experienced attempted and/… | /r/MensRights | 12/11/14 09:23 PM |
| -5 | So my English teacher is an outspoken feminist. She has this magnet on her desk. It's a male stick figure bowing to a female stick figure. She just got done lecturing us about gender equality too.Out of curiosity, can you provide me any account of Western history were it isn't recognised that women were treated as property? I also like the, "Most people here are adults." line. Put it this way - if you lived in a world where your chances of sexual assault and rape were high, where your perspectives and capabilities were continually undermined affecting you in workplace settings, you don't have full rights over your own body, the pressure to conform to bodily and beauty standards places yo… | /r/MensRights | 12/11/14 02:45 AM |
| -8 | So my English teacher is an outspoken feminist. She has this magnet on her desk. It's a male stick figure bowing to a female stick figure. She just got done lecturing us about gender equality too.I don't understand why you're up in arms about it. Magnets like this are a response to a long history of women in Western countries being treated socially and legally as the property of men (for which many attitudes and practices persist today). The main point is, as you've stated, no one here is actually offended or emotionally affected by it. This is all a 'thought experiment' as to how people would hypothetically respond if the genders were reversed. That's not at all how oppression works - i… | /r/MensRights | 12/11/14 01:28 AM |
| -9 | So my English teacher is an outspoken feminist. She has this magnet on her desk. It's a male stick figure bowing to a female stick figure. She just got done lecturing us about gender equality too.Oh my god, I can't believe this is what you people complain about. | /r/MensRights | 12/11/14 12:06 AM |
| -1 | Why the "10 hours of walking" video actually proves that street harassment isn't a problem.You do realise 600 minutes divided by ~100 is 6 minutes. That means, on average, every six minutes she received harassment from men. | /r/MensRights | 31/10/14 11:04 AM |
| 1 | So this is apparently happening tonight...She didn't do a Playboy spread. Her writers did that to her. I can't believe you've resorted to implying I'm slut-shaming a fictional character. And are you going to answer to the Male Disposability side of the argument I don't think you understand disposability. When the majority of characters in video games are male, and they range from protagonist to antagonist to everything in between throughout a range of settings and missions, you don't need to worry about their representation. Ideally, wa… | /r/MensRights | 31/10/14 03:48 AM |
| 3 | So this is apparently happening tonight...Lara Croft had a Playboy spread. Its hard to argue that male and female protagonists are treated equally when you can say this about the 'pinnacle' female example but none of the countless other male protagonists. And its laughable when people bring up this dichotomy between objectification and literally just finding the opposite sex attractive. That's not what objectification is. In many of these outlets, they [women] are used as “objects that sell,” or eye candy, because revealing images of th… | /r/MensRights | 30/10/14 09:16 PM |
| -7 | So this is apparently happening tonight...Saying that video games are oppressing Anita is akin to saying, in response to the 10 hr street harassment video, "I mean, the English language is oppressing you?" Anita realises that a patriarchal society exists wherein women are routinely objectified and have their stories treated as either lesser or periphery. Since video games aren't created in vacuums, they echo these harmful trends and oftentimes amplify and exaggerate them. (I mean, there's a reason gamers are one of the few groups who re… | /r/MensRights | 30/10/14 12:55 PM |
| -28 | So this is apparently happening tonight...I mean, video games are oppressing you? God, its so funny when people who feign an understanding of feminism try and discuss its theory. Can't you get past this 'I don't agree with her arguments' nonsense and admit you don't like women? I mean, if that's your take away from her videos then you approached them with a lot of baggage. | /r/MensRights | 30/10/14 05:18 AM |
| -1 | 2XC went on a racist and sexist rant earlier but when I called them out they edited their comments. Little do they know I grabbed screenshots before the edits. They will say things like "MRAs are sexist racist pigs" but then go and write sh*t like this.Its not like Yemeni women haven't established an organisation to combat the very street harassment (and worse) the woman in this video faced. Turns out you don't care about Yemeni women enough to know about what they're fighting for, but you will use them to belittle the harassment of women in America. What you also ignore is the video's creator stating "Honestly we did have a lot of white dudes in this video, but for whatever reason it worked out that they would be the ones to say something jus… | /r/MensRights | 29/10/14 02:20 PM |
| 0 | Anti-MRA image circulating my Facebook friends. "...our society at large f*****g hates women."they barely ever get laid. DAE hate the stereotype men only do things because they want sex? But seriously, these people don't need correcting. The MRM is crock of shit. You guys can't even go five seconds without perpetuating what you're supposed to hate. | /r/MensRights | 17/10/14 12:36 AM |
| -2 | Excuse the rant: Apparently men are not allowed in the "family lounge" at the mall.Why does this sub and those whom it supports agree that logic can be applied to women in instances of rape, but not for a man in a family lounge? i.e. Elam's statement, "But are these women asking to get raped? They are freaking begging for it. Damn near demanding it." Better still, refer to the countless examples on this sub where, when women get outraged over campaigns placing onus on them to prevent sexual abuse, are told they're essentially strapping dollar bills to themselves and strutting … | /r/MensRights | 12/10/14 05:01 PM |
| -6 | Excuse the rant: Apparently men are not allowed in the "family lounge" at the mall.I've been playing devil's advocate. Just wondering how this sub can be against cops placing the onus on men to prevent themselves being accused of pedophilia, yet for doing so to women to prevent their sexual abuse. | /r/MensRights | 12/10/14 12:48 PM |
| -9 | Excuse the rant: Apparently men are not allowed in the "family lounge" at the mall.Great. Recall everything you've just stated next time you see a post like this. | /r/MensRights | 12/10/14 11:17 AM |
| -14 | Excuse the rant: Apparently men are not allowed in the "family lounge" at the mall.Don't get me wrong, I think all fathers should be able to sit in family lounges. I'm just saying that cop was trying to help him in providing tips on not escalating situations. We don't say, "Its not up to me to look both ways before crossing; its up to cars not to hit me." In the same respect, he should take precautions in avoiding a false molestation charge. Condemning the cop giving such advice makes you the problem. | /r/MensRights | 12/10/14 10:19 AM |
| -37 | Excuse the rant: Apparently men are not allowed in the "family lounge" at the mall.What do you mean? Now, I'm not saying men shouldn't be allowed to sit in the family lounge, but he knew very well what kind of attention he'd garner by doing that. Its this kind of risky behaviour that could land him in jail for a false molestation charge. The cop's just giving him advice; he should heed it. | /r/MensRights | 12/10/14 07:26 AM |
| 1 | Emma Watson´s UN Speech about gender equalityLove it when this sub brings race to the table to slander feminists then ignore it in all other discussions. | /r/MensRights | 23/09/14 01:09 AM |
| -10 | Jessica Valenti thinks no one will use Vasalgel, because *various anti-male reasons*.As a man, I've experienced all of what you've listed. I'm not denying such things can be and are traumatic for people. Note what you are talking about has now shifted from which gender's sexuality is demonised in society to the pressures of men and women to live up to masculine and feminine standards respectively when it comes to sex. Its not a topic I'm interested in pursuing so I'll take what you've said as a statement and not an invitation for further discussion. | /r/MensRights | 18/09/14 04:44 AM |
| -12 | Jessica Valenti thinks no one will use Vasalgel, because *various anti-male reasons*.As I said below: I'm not denying that you can paint that narrative of 'tainter and tainted'; I'm just trying to point out its disingenuous to reappropriate the harsh gender double standards when it comes to sexuality to place men as the victims when, as I've demonstrated, we are the overwhelming beneficiaries. | /r/MensRights | 18/09/14 04:17 AM |
| -15 | Jessica Valenti thinks no one will use Vasalgel, because *various anti-male reasons*.I'm not denying that you can paint that narrative of 'tainter and tainted'; I'm just trying to point out its disingenuous to reappropriate the harsh gender double standards when it comes to sexuality to place men as the victims when, as I've demonstrated, we are the overwhelming beneficiaries. | /r/MensRights | 18/09/14 03:15 AM |
| -33 | Jessica Valenti thinks no one will use Vasalgel, because *various anti-male reasons*.Wow, what a persecution complex! Women who've had a lot of sex are considered 'damaged goods' by society while men's reputations are often elevated with labels such as 'stud' and 'player'. Men are always put in the position of making sexual advances while women who are sexually assertive are often reprimanded as 'whores' and sexually deviant. The idea of women remaining 'pure' for men is obviously well established, but if you want to invent this dichotomy of 'tainting' and being tainted - given … | /r/MensRights | 18/09/14 01:18 AM |
| -3 | Australian politician says that men who complain about exclusive focus on female victims of DV need to "grow up"As in, not at all. The place is racist as shit. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/14 06:55 AM |
| 1 | My female friend in response to the 14 year old who was rapedWhy is she a feminist? | /r/MensRights | 06/09/14 03:46 PM |
| -7 | Building a list of links on Women making online threats, engaged in online harrasment, to give to someone arguing that "you never hear about women making threats"This is really the best thing the MRM could be doing right now? "Male rape victims, biased custody process, gender roles holding men to unrealistic standards of masculinity... No! We need to score petty political points against feminists!" This is an absolute fucking insult to the real problems faced by men. Fuck you. | /r/MensRights | 01/09/14 02:30 AM |
| 0 | I just got messaged by a mod on 2xchromosomes saying it was banned to discuss rape culture hysteria and its harm on victims, assumed I was male. What a toxic place, how is this a default?Pretty sure its a culture when someone can openly brag about it without fear of charges being pressed. | /r/MensRights | 30/08/14 01:51 AM |
| 0 | I just got messaged by a mod on 2xchromosomes saying it was banned to discuss rape culture hysteria and its harm on victims, assumed I was male. What a toxic place, how is this a default?An honest question: you don't see anything wrong with pressuring a person to drink in order to have sex with them when they're black out drunk? Usually, when people are encouraged/pressured to drink with the intent of later having sex, the person doing so doesn't explicitly state, "I'm doing this so that once you're at a sufficient state of inebriation I will take advantage of you." I think you have an absolutely fucked up view of men to say that no woman should get too drunk around men in fear … | /r/MensRights | 30/08/14 01:39 AM |
| 0 | I'd love to not have to wear a seatbelt while driving either.Honest question: what about cases of gay bashing? Is it up to gay people to avoid acting effeminately, showing any signs of PDA and avoid areas (including gay bars) that are hotspots for bigoted criminals? And why characterise rape as an 'accident' like in the case of not wearing a seatbelt? There aren't motorists who actively seek people in cars not wearing them and crash into them. Shouldn't we focus on perpetuating the idea men have sexual agency and aren't lascivious creatures? Note too the … | /r/MensRights | 28/08/14 01:49 AM |
| 1 | 50% Divorce Rate/80% Initiated By Women And You Have No Rights As A Man - PSA (Poster Image)I think you mean 'higher income earner than your partner'. | /r/MensRights | 27/08/14 04:23 AM |
| -2 | One of my feminist friends on Facebook linked this College Humor Article. All I could do was laugh.treated like disgusting animals if they display their sexuality in public Honest question here: who believes this? When has this ever happened? How can the media shower straight male sexuality with praise to the extent that scantily clad women are used as props to sell products and there still be a movement of people convinced their sexuality is taboo? You know when I see straight male sexuality being shamed? When we creepily ogle women and make aggressive, unwanted advances. When we grope. When… | /r/MensRights | 21/08/14 06:30 PM |
| 1 | I found something in /r/trollxchromosomes I think we all appreciateHow do you insinuate someone is inferior at something by associating masculinity to them? In fact, the opposite is true - "That person's balls are huge," "You're not too bad... for a girl," Sure, 'tomboy' is pretty bad when you're younger (gender roles tend to be most amplified at earlier ages), but what about when growing up? Women are allowed to wear stereotypically male outfits (i.e. suits) but its obscene for men to wear skirts and dresses. This absolutely wreaks of, "I want to be offended, … | /r/MensRights | 19/08/14 02:20 PM |
| 2 | When men outnumber women in an industry its put down to "oppression", when women outnumber men "is it, in fact, the best possible option?"Aren't those the 2 principles of all gender-targeted advertising? What ads for men don't cast men in a positive light or play on their insecurities? | /r/MensRights | 09/08/14 07:41 AM |
| 2 | A friend posted on Facebook about Michelle Obama saying women are smarter than men. This was someone's comment, and his response.If more MRAs had the sincerity of your friend, this movement might actually get somewhere. That being said, her statement is satirical. It only makes sense in the context of a long history of women being told they were less capable/intelligent than men. In case it wasn't obvious, she reinforces this by rolling her eyes to show she's parodying the faulty line of thought. It would be similar to a black person making a joke about all white people looking the same (I can't find the link, but there i… | /r/MensRights | 08/08/14 06:49 AM |
| -6 | TIL men can't be objectified by women. It's only bad when men do it. Because reasons.Because if we define sexual objectification as seeing people as no more than the sum of their parts and what those parts can do for us sexually, then yes, of course women can objectify men. Often, male objectification is done in the form of tongue-in-cheek references to ads that have objectified women for centuries. So is it possible for women to objectify men? Possibly — at the micro, interpersonal level. Sounds like you read what you wanted to read if all you got out of this article was, "They… | /r/MensRights | 06/08/14 01:23 AM |
| 1 | ‘Women against feminism’ movement grows -Today ShowWhat are you talking about? The only really interesting critiques of a movement defending a group of people's rights are those of that very group of people. Take for example a group advocating for black Americans; would it really be that groundbreaking if a group of white people spoke out? If this is a way in which men are underprivileged, let me tell you we have things pretty sweet. | /r/MensRights | 04/08/14 08:08 AM |
| 14 | Stereotyped as "naughty," boys quickly learn that they are thought of as dumber and more trouble than girls. And that has consequences."When boys aged seven to eight were told that they tend to do worse at school than girls, they scored more poorly in reading, writing and mathematics tests than those who were not primed for failure. And telling children aged six to nine before a test that both sexes were expected to do equally well improved the boys' performance." Nothing new here - its widely known making people believe they are predisposed to failure has a huge impact on their results. Is there evidence teachers are explicitl… | /r/MensRights | 04/08/14 05:51 AM |
| 0 | I am a woman who got tired of Tumblr's bull, and made this little post in favor of men, which now has over 100,000 notesthe point where this fails is that women aren't generally accepted to be physically violent. Point taken - it was admittedly a stretch as I attempted to tie it back to the 'women as manipulative' trope. But I can easily put this logic to the 'don't be that girl' response of the MRA to 'don't be that guy' campaigns, as disbelief toward those who step forward and report their assault is a real issue. well, to list off a few things. i've been treated with contempt by female peers for so little as t… | /r/MensRights | 03/08/14 09:11 PM |
| 0 | I am a woman who got tired of Tumblr's bull, and made this little post in favor of men, which now has over 100,000 notesI think you're misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying that it's wrong to educate people on physical abuse. But this tumblr post completely ignores the female side of the issue. And women should not all be treated as potential abusers just for existing. And sure, women know it isn't aimed at them. But it does help feed the notion that women are manipulative bitches who will strike and attack men because they can get it away with it under a guise of 'empowerment'. But they do help… | /r/MensRights | 03/08/14 08:40 PM |
| 0 | I am a woman who got tired of Tumblr's bull, and made this little post in favor of men, which now has over 100,000 notesWomen being raped by men due to their misunderstanding of consent isn't a clear, specific problem? Such as in 'teach men not to rape' campaigns which are extremely effective? You know, the ones this sub is up in arms about because it is offensive to men? | /r/MensRights | 03/08/14 07:35 PM |
| 0 | I am a woman who got tired of Tumblr's bull, and made this little post in favor of men, which now has over 100,000 notesFunny you assume I'm a woman. And I am going to be honest with you - I don't care about being told not to rape or hit women. Much in the same way I'm not offended by being told not to steal, or cause fights, or drink and drive. You know why? Because my feelings aren't more important than the well-being of others. I can compartmentalise in my head that these posters and campaigns don't address me specifically, but rather men who do; much in the same way women reading this tumblr post don't preten… | /r/MensRights | 03/08/14 07:25 PM |
| 1 | Rape Jokes. Where's the line? Amazing Atheist responds.Actually, SRS and most feminist circles call them out all the time. | /r/MensRights | 03/08/14 03:54 AM |
| -29 | I am a woman who got tired of Tumblr's bull, and made this little post in favor of men, which now has over 100,000 notesThis is so offensive to women. The people who hit others have already been told not to and did so anyway - why would a post like this make matters different? Like, I'm pretty sure the first thing we are taught a pre-school is not to hit others, boys or girls. This is just as bad as those posters telling men 'not to harass' or to 'respect women'. People shouldn't hit other people, not just women against men. | /r/MensRights | 03/08/14 01:21 AM |
| -1 | Thunderf00t takes on Feminists vs. videogames again. This time he shows how Anita Sarkeesian is surprisingly similar to Jack Thompson, the lawyer who became video games #1 enemy.Games allow you to kill men and drag them around too. No one said it was hatred of men. Sexualised violence. That is what she's against, and she simply points out it happens to women in video games a far cry more than men. Nothing wrong with dragging dead women around the same way it is treated for men in video games. | /r/MensRights | 01/08/14 04:02 AM |
| -4 | Thunderf00t takes on Feminists vs. videogames again. This time he shows how Anita Sarkeesian is surprisingly similar to Jack Thompson, the lawyer who became video games #1 enemy.What about "dick" or "cock"? Very good point. My position is against gendered insults, though its much more indicative someone harbours poor ideas about women when calling one 'bitch', 'cunt', 'slut' and 'whore' than it is on the reverse when using 'dick' or 'cock'. Then there's the differing social weights of these term, which is its own sub-discussion. (i.e. there's no term you can call a man that, as Louie C.K. puts it, could 'ruin his day'.) I don't think that playing a game where the player… | /r/MensRights | 01/08/14 12:22 AM |
| -5 | Thunderf00t takes on Feminists vs. videogames again. This time he shows how Anita Sarkeesian is surprisingly similar to Jack Thompson, the lawyer who became video games #1 enemy.They just didn't think it necessary to include a gyroscope to determine the verticality of the character. That is a good point. The breast movement doesn't look at all real and has been criticised about the game as it is not as bad in others. doing something stupid intentionally. Then daring to complain about it being allowed. What a vacuous response. How else can you demonstrate a thing in a game is allowed without actually doing it? You've also gone on to say there are instances (children) tha… | /r/MensRights | 31/07/14 11:53 PM |
| -5 | Thunderf00t takes on Feminists vs. videogames again. This time he shows how Anita Sarkeesian is surprisingly similar to Jack Thompson, the lawyer who became video games #1 enemy.The issue taken is with sexualised violence which occurs nearly unanimously toward women. Violence against women in the same way it is depicted against men is fine. | /r/MensRights | 31/07/14 02:50 PM |
| 3 | Sure, masturbation may be liberating for women, but men who masturbate are just "wanking to a flickering screen in unbearable sadness." So hypocritical.I honestly can't believe something as sexist as this can be upvoted in this sub. | /r/MensRights | 31/07/14 01:40 PM |
| -4 | Thunderf00t takes on Feminists vs. videogames again. This time he shows how Anita Sarkeesian is surprisingly similar to Jack Thompson, the lawyer who became video games #1 enemy.Wait, are you trying to tell me there isn't rampant misogyny in the gaming community? Are you telling me women aren't continually harassed online and when trying to enter new groups explicitly due to their gender? Are terms such as 'bitch', 'cunt', 'whore', 'slut' etc not common in modern gaming vernacular? There's all this talk about video games having no social effects on individuals, but wouldn't you take issue with a game wherein you were a KKK member whose sole mission was to lynch black pe… | /r/MensRights | 31/07/14 01:28 PM |
| -8 | Because men who don't conform to male stereotypes is why we need feminism"Don't be such a pussy," "Stop acting like a pussy," What are you, a pussy?" =/=> "Don't be such a... soft?" Its quite obvious that the intent of the term is a noun, not an adjective as you've suggested. You can be intellectually dishonest and try explain it away, but it doesn't negate the misogyny behind the insult. Alternatively, having 'a pair' is seen as being courageous and looked up to (including positive connotation with the size of one's balls i.e. masculinity) though, as Betty White put… | /r/MensRights | 25/06/14 07:32 AM |
| 1 | Because men who don't conform to male stereotypes is why we need feminism"Sissy," "bitch," "pussy," "grow a pair," Why the gendered language, then? | /r/MensRights | 25/06/14 03:20 AM |
| 3 | 4Chanit's market supply and demand. If the market research says that people will buy more games with female characters, then they will make games with more female characters. Just like there's no problem with this ad as long as market research states it will generate the greatest number of people being screened. | /r/MensRights | 25/06/14 03:09 AM |
| 1 | Man with sympathy for both MRA's and Feminists here. My one comment/criticism of the MRA movement.No, LGBT issues are addressed where they intersect with maleness. Really? Like the abundance of 'shaming of male (i.e. straight) sexuality' posts in this forum? Preferential treatment of mothers over fathers in child custody? Creep-shaming? Reproductive rights? These are all issues inherently linked to male heterosexuality. The point remains: start with a straight man and see where his issues intersect with LGBT men. As for your 'responses', I honestly don't know which ones you are referring to … | /r/MensRights | 23/06/14 07:50 AM |
| 0 | Man with sympathy for both MRA's and Feminists here. My one comment/criticism of the MRA movement.If gay men want more support, they need to ask for it louder. Or, y'know, at all. Well, one man asked for it via this thread. It has been downvoted and harshly criticised for drawing attention to the lack of LGBT men's rights content in this sub. Maybe LGBT men would speak up more if they were shown some incentive their voices would be heard. From the top comment: "We don't try to steal victim cards from other demographics just to look good." All these responses make it very clear users of this … | /r/MensRights | 23/06/14 07:04 AM |
| -1 | Man with sympathy for both MRA's and Feminists here. My one comment/criticism of the MRA movement.Let me get this correct. The MRM is only for straight men. Gay men are special interest and the only reason the movement would champion their rights would be, "just to look good," | /r/MensRights | 23/06/14 06:47 AM |
| 17 | "You cannot be sexist toward men."Well, that actually complements his/her point as they could be systematically oppressed as a minority living in those areas. Not that minorities are the only people who can be systematically oppressed (South Africa, for example). The overarching idea is that there is a difference between discrimination on a person to person basis and discrimination that is propagated by cultural views and ideas. The author only deems the latter worthy of being called sexism/racism. Its purely a semantic issue wh… | /r/MensRights | 22/06/14 08:56 AM |
| 0 | Feminists gushing over 'feminist father' shirtI fail to see how any of those things are precluded by the sentiment of the shirt. Its quite obviously a response to paternal notions such as 1, 2 and 3. | /r/MensRights | 20/06/14 02:22 PM |
| -6 | (/r/rage) Tumblr feminists burning a book that they disagree with, cause ya know, the patriarchy.There's a basic distinction. For example, it is completely fine to say the following: We really need to stop women from committing neonaticide. Women abusing their children is a huge problem in America. I'm really fucking sick of these women who argue that men can't be raped. It's awful that women are constantly perpetrating domestic violence myths. As women, you can stop false rape allegations. Using the term 'woman' and not referring to every woman in existence is within the bounds of the Engl… | /r/MensRights | 17/06/14 09:01 AM |
| -16 | (/r/rage) Tumblr feminists burning a book that they disagree with, cause ya know, the patriarchy.This is the funniest, most illuminati thread in the history of MR. All Feminists are literally nazis because two immature people bought a book and burnt it for whatever symbolic purpose. censoring Internet forums God forbid someone doesn't want a Feminist discussion forum brigaded. getting men fired for saying the 'wrong' thing Yep, nothing to do with sexism in work places. Its about getting men fired. every time we speak up, it's a victory in itself. Let's pat each other on the back for writing… | /r/MensRights | 17/06/14 06:28 AM |
| -2 | A woman smashed my head with her high heels while I was on the ground, nobody helped, doctors laughed at my face.Yeh, the defence is pretty much, "I don't know what patriarchy is but it doesn't exist," Funny thing is, in dialogues between Feminists and MRAs the former can discuss patriarchy related themes, beliefs, attitudes, consequences etc. and have the latter agree so long as the actual term is never mentioned. | /r/MensRights | 17/06/14 03:22 AM |
| 0 | I was kicked out of my campus feminist group for talking out about circumcision.Eh, I've raised circumcision in Feminist circles many times and had long, productive discussions. I wasn't silenced or told it was inappropriate. I think its telling too that OP created a throwaway to post this and hasn't responded to any comments or questions. Threads like this with abandoned posters happen every month and are usually called out, but not in this instance because it fits the MRA narrative and isn't readily falsifiable. This is the best example I can think of at the moment. | /r/MensRights | 14/06/14 07:47 AM |
| 1 | I was kicked out of my campus feminist group for talking out about circumcision.The right to reproductive choice without any responsibility? What does this mean? | /r/MensRights | 14/06/14 07:16 AM |
| 1 | Reasonable feminists call out "misguided" #EndFathersDay movementno one does, because feminism is a vague ideology. it means whatever the person using it wants it to mean. anything any feminist says does not not speak for feminism as a whole. that doesn't mean that it is not representative of feminism as a group though Replace Feminism with the MRM and this paragraph is just as applicable. In fact, use any ideology and you'll get the same result. Liberalism, Conservatism, Libertarianism, Egalitarianism - ideologies need not have every concept unilaterally agr… | /r/MensRights | 14/06/14 07:04 AM |
| 5 | #EndFathersDay was started as a troll by /pol/. Let's not get up in a tizzy about it, okay?Yes, I'm sure a handful of individual feminists did. 99% of others didn't. | /r/MensRights | 14/06/14 01:46 AM |
| 19 | It happens every year. Feminists on twitter gleefully trending #EndFathersDayThis has been perpetuated by 4chan to make Feminists look bad. Seems to have backfired as no one agrees with the sentiment of the hashtag and those who do are potentially trolls who've created accounts as a smear tactic. Please, mods, recant the flair as this has nothing to do with Feminism. Edit: Fixed the link. | /r/MensRights | 13/06/14 04:10 PM |
| 1 | 2014 Fox News Detroit MRA vs FeministI remember in the 'Challenging the Etiology of Rape' article by Paul Elam, Esmay argued "Being a cock-tease IS abusive," so I really wasn't expecting much. Why is the MRM fronted by morons like him and Elam? | /r/MensRights | 13/06/14 11:05 AM |
| -4 | Chris Gethard Has a Message for Men’s Rights ActivistsI wonder if he know that a lot of the guys here have given up on that anyway. Sad to hear you and other men on here really feel that way. | /r/MensRights | 13/06/14 10:48 AM |
| 0 | who texts their rapist right before the "rape" "do u have condoms?"30%? Really? Nearly a 1/3 of all women? I may as well say there's a pretty substantial (30% maybe) amount of men will rape someone who tries to leave them. | /r/MensRights | 13/06/14 10:36 AM |
| 1 | Yahoo News! seems to believe that "victim blaming" is acceptable when it's a manOk, I'm glad we're on the same page here. At this point, let's agree to disagree. In my opinion, using language like, "begging" (regardless of how you define it) and comparing being intoxicated, revealingly clad and not covering one's drink to driving accidents where the individual characterised as the victim would clearly be at fault are instances where victims are implied to have partial responsibility - i.e victim blaming. You consider the first analogy a joke - I didn't really get that impre… | /r/MensRights | 13/06/14 01:54 AM |
| -5 | Feminist Fathers' Day 2014: #feministfathersdayI think this was worded poorly. I interpreted it as don't simply stop and say, "That's my half of the parenting done," and instead strive to go above and beyond those duties with the mutual understanding your partner is doing the same. Its more about changing paradigms of parenting. | /r/MensRights | 13/06/14 01:14 AM |
| 3 | Is this what they mean by "Male Privilege"I'll copy and paste from another comment: In Canada, approximately 85% of sole custody awards are made to mothers - HOWEVER, this statistic alone is misleading. 90% of these custody awards are decided by the family and agreed upon by both the mother and father out of court - not decided by a judge. 5-Year Massachusetts study on Gender Bias in Custody Cases: Study 1: MASS 2100 cases where fathers sought custody (100%) 5 year study duration 29% of fathers got primary custody 65% of fathers got joi… | /r/MensRights | 13/06/14 12:56 AM |
| 0 | Is this what they mean by "Male Privilege"In Feminism there's a concept known as intersectionality - things such as gender, class, race, sexuality, ability and other factors come into play. 100% of the male population are not considered privileged by Feminists. Take for example the homeless and poor, black and hispanic men in general, gay, bi and trans men as well as the disabled. Privilege assesses power structures in society and isn't consigned specifically to gender. | /r/MensRights | 13/06/14 12:46 AM |
| 1 | Yahoo News! seems to believe that "victim blaming" is acceptable when it's a manYou would say to someone who's been roofied they, "messed up," by not having their drink covered? "Its not your fault. But you messed up." Its not an implication they're entirely to blame but it certainly places responsibility on that individual for what happened to them. what he meant by saying "begging to be raped" would be that they put themselves into a very fragile position and any rapist would have a very easy target. So the businessmen were, "begging to be stolen from," by putting themsel… | /r/MensRights | 13/06/14 12:19 AM |
| 0 | Yahoo News! seems to believe that "victim blaming" is acceptable when it's a manI'm simply repeating arguments that have been aimed toward me on this sub. Consider my entire thread of comments as me playing devil's advocate. Just unsure why its different when referring to intoxicated women but not wealthy businessmen. | /r/MensRights | 12/06/14 11:29 PM |
| -1 | Yahoo News! seems to believe that "victim blaming" is acceptable when it's a manyou messed up, but you're not the one to blame for the crime. Sounds like cognitive dissonance to me. Not covering your drink != running out into open traffic. Pretty simple there. If someone ran out into to open traffic and got hit, no one would defend their choice or consider them a victim. Only situation in which I can see a crime being a victim's fault is if they're aware of the direct consequences. It's, for example, someone telling you "if you go into that alley I'll murder you", and you s… | /r/MensRights | 12/06/14 02:01 PM |
| 0 | Yahoo News! seems to believe that "victim blaming" is acceptable when it's a manThe logic of this title is a start: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/26r4x2/because_were_taught_dont_run_into_open_traffic/ Interestingly, this has a negative score now. At the time I responded it was positive. Seems like a lot of people recanted their vote: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/25eupm/somehow_i_actually_changed_feminists_pov_or_a/chgqc68 A couple more: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/27mb9o/i_cannot_defend_a_voice_for_mens_paul_elam_from/ci2906g htt… | /r/MensRights | 12/06/14 12:46 PM |
| 0 | Yahoo News! seems to believe that "victim blaming" is acceptable when it's a manI'm not saying those things; I'm repeating arguments made toward me on this sub. I'm wondering why it wasn't hypocritical then but it is now. | /r/MensRights | 12/06/14 11:53 AM |
| 0 | Yahoo News! seems to believe that "victim blaming" is acceptable when it's a manI don't think you realise. I'm simply repeating (upvoted) arguments I've had aimed toward me here when discussing the 'responsibility' intoxicated and revealingly dressed women have in being sexually assaulted. I've taken this devil's advocating much further than I initially intended. Just for clarity, in this argument I assume MRAs referred to the dictionary.com definition: the state or fact of being responsible, answerable, or accountable for something within one's power, control, or managemen… | /r/MensRights | 12/06/14 11:31 AM |
| 0 | Yahoo News! seems to believe that "victim blaming" is acceptable when it's a manWhen did I say it was the mens' fault? I already asked this and tore down your horrible attempt to argue I implied that. I said you should take precautions to a reasonable extent. Mass murderers can strike at any time, so there isn't really much of a reasonable precaution to take. | /r/MensRights | 12/06/14 11:15 AM |
| -2 | Yahoo News! seems to believe that "victim blaming" is acceptable when it's a manStrippers don't have a responsibility to ensure the safety of others. These were criminals who didn't care about the mens' well-being, whereas individuals have a responsibility to ensure their safety, and should do so whenever possible to a reasonable extent. Like, you know, covering drinks, not getting too drunk etc. It's taking precautions. "Common sense" stuff. Something that isn't victim blaming its victim prevention. You can do all those and still be raped. He then goes on to say, I'm sorry… | /r/MensRights | 12/06/14 10:40 AM |
| -3 | Yahoo News! seems to believe that "victim blaming" is acceptable when it's a manWhen did I say it was the mens' fault? I said they are responsible for the situations they put themselves in, just like the woman that passes out a frat party. Its not her fault, but there were some serious precautions she should have taken. False accusations highlight how silly it is to tell women they should be afraid of being raped by men (which is creep shaming and making them believe a 'rape culture' exists) when it is actually men who should be afraid of women falsely accusing them. | /r/MensRights | 12/06/14 09:57 AM |
| -6 | Yahoo News! seems to believe that "victim blaming" is acceptable when it's a man"In that circumstance, a certain amount of risk is involved." Does not mean, "They were responsible for getting drugged and robbed because they didn't stay alert." Did that explanation need more crayons for you? | /r/MensRights | 12/06/14 09:47 AM |
| 1 | Yahoo News! seems to believe that "victim blaming" is acceptable when it's a manhttp://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/27mb9o/i_cannot_defend_a_voice_for_mens_paul_elam_from/ | /r/MensRights | 12/06/14 09:36 AM |
| -7 | Yahoo News! seems to believe that "victim blaming" is acceptable when it's a manYou didn't - I jumped the gun on that and now take no issue. But you have perpetuated the fear of 'rape culture' in colleges. Judging by posts on this sub, false accusations occur a lot more than assaults themselves which is why people your SO approaches should actually fear her. Yes, I saw the quotes. Doesn't change the point I made. Yahoo and pretty much all other news sources engaged in victim blaming over the Steubenville case, so the title is wrong on two counts; either you imply Yahoo has … | /r/MensRights | 12/06/14 05:55 AM |
| -15 | Yahoo News! seems to believe that "victim blaming" is acceptable when it's a mantelling my SO that when she's walking home from school at night not to be on her phone at all. Not listening to music, on a call, texting,etc. Stay in a lighted area. Let me know you made it safely. Why are you posting on a men's rights forum when you openly tell your SO to fear men? This just confirms the Feminist suspicion about 'rape culture' on college campuses - yeah, it doesn't exist. The men she approaches on a walk home are likely harmless, so she has nothing to worry about (unless she's… | /r/MensRights | 12/06/14 05:25 AM |
| -3 | Yahoo News! seems to believe that "victim blaming" is acceptable when it's a manHow is it a false equivalence? Why am I accused of being an AMRat? These men are just like those women who dress slutty and walk down alleys late at night, alone and intoxicated, then wonder why they were assaulted. As Elam put it - "They're begging for it." | /r/MensRights | 12/06/14 05:02 AM |
| -19 | Yahoo News! seems to believe that "victim blaming" is acceptable when it's a manWait, isn't this sub against the concept of 'victim blaming'? I mean, if you're going to parade your wealth in public and get intoxicated with seedy strippers who'll do anything to get money off you, then aren't you responsible for the situation you've put yourself in? Those men should have covered their drinks to begin with. Yeah, the strippers shouldn't have done it but these men are clearly responsible for what happened to them. | /r/MensRights | 12/06/14 04:17 AM |
| 1 | Access to government programs by sex: USDon't worry - we can get away with that kind of thing because this is /r/MensRights. But 'not all men', though. | /r/MensRights | 11/06/14 01:26 AM |
| 1 | Miss USA dares suggest self-defense classes for women; feminists freak out. "VICTIM BLAMING!"I don't agree with all your views, /u/TRPACC, but I'm glad there are people critical of MRA hysteria in response to these things such that sexist analogies (foremostly toward men) are thrown around and collectively agreed with. What does this have to do with Men's Rights? It would be nice if there was activism in this sub rather than engaging in stupid feminist pissing contests. | /r/MensRights | 10/06/14 01:12 AM |
| 4 | I cannot defend A Voice for Men's Paul Elam from his scathing comments in 2010 about women "begging to be raped". If the feminists should take their worst to task, why not us?evocative language "Teach men not to rape," - Hateful slur. "Women begging to be raped," - Oh, that's just evocative language. Seems like something you can say about any MRA who makes a contemptible statement. women who dress slutty Really? This was upvoted? go to parties where they don't know anyone That's so offensive toward men. Like a woman needs to screen the men she parties with beforehand to know they aren't potential rapists. We would say that someone who weaves in and out traffic is BEG… | /r/MensRights | 09/06/14 12:39 AM |
| 11 | Paul Donovan - Chose suicide over 188 days in jail over a $4000 child support payment he could not payPro-gay? Wow... | /r/MensRights | 08/06/14 11:28 PM |
| -1 | Tumblr user claims that feminism trivializes real rapeYep, nothing there. Face it - you're full of shit. | /r/MensRights | 07/06/14 06:40 AM |
| 1 | Dads as cashcows: Men in Pennsylvania are receiving offensive texts on Father's Day to make a father's day gift of paying child support whether they are current, or not.Where's a source on this? | /r/MensRights | 07/06/14 06:15 AM |
| -2 | Tumblr user claims that feminism trivializes real rape"drunk girls can't consent but drunk guys can" I'm interested - where have feminists advocated this? | /r/MensRights | 07/06/14 05:23 AM |
| 2 | Tumblr user claims that feminism trivializes real rapeI'll give you a hint - yes, absolutely. Tumblr and Facebook screenshots, as often as they are linked here, are hallmark of a sub denigrating into easily digestible and likely reactionary content. I'm sick of posts about, "look at what my aunt/gf/cousin said/shared in their last status!!" All I ever get from that is they're friends with some shitty people on FB. I'm not saying a FB status or tumblr post will never make a good point, but let's exhaust articles, studies, self-posts and statements b… | /r/MensRights | 07/06/14 02:23 AM |
| -1 | Tumblr user claims that feminism trivializes real rapeWhere? Give a source on this. Sounds like typical MRA rape hysteria to me. | /r/MensRights | 07/06/14 02:09 AM |
| -2 | Tumblr user claims that feminism trivializes real rapeNo, they're not. All of what you just said is MRA hysteria. Go on, link me to a blog of a pathologically deranged woman who wants to kill men and explain why she is representative of the entire movement. | /r/MensRights | 07/06/14 01:57 AM |
| -10 | “Ladies, do not take offense at every innuendo... Do not see sexual harassment behind every word and gesture. Reject the victim mentality… True equality comes from freedom of choice and equality of opYeah... If this is a legitimate Men's Rights post and you're seriously at a loss as to why 99% of the general public see this movement as misogynistic, then I feel sorry for you. | /r/MensRights | 07/06/14 01:47 AM |
| 2 | Instead of having "feminism" and "men's rights," why isn't there one civil rights group that works to solve inequalities suffered by both genders?You're right. A quick google search doesn't elicit any direct Feminist responses to the gender disparity in education nor in custody disputes (I've found there is dispute this is a concrete issue amongst Feminists - studies show when men fight for custody they receive it or joint custody the majority of times). Perhaps the point would be better worded as, "Feminists don't condone those paradigms," or, "Feminists fight the stereotype aimed at women and indirectly increase the status of men by the… | /r/MensRights | 05/06/14 04:03 AM |
| 0 | Instead of having "feminism" and "men's rights," why isn't there one civil rights group that works to solve inequalities suffered by both genders?Men's Rights as an ideology and the rights of men are two different concepts in Feminism. When people say they 'cringe', they're often referring to the ideology which is in complete opposition to theirs so I understand the perspective. I browse this sub because I like educating myself on issues I face and those of other men and simply ignore (or engage in discussion with) the rampant anti-Feminism because I disagree. When I raise these issues, I don't do so with an underlying ideology of MR. "Le… | /r/MensRights | 05/06/14 12:57 AM |
| 1 | Instead of having "feminism" and "men's rights," why isn't there one civil rights group that works to solve inequalities suffered by both genders?My dealings with Feminists are primarily in real life. I've had a search on reddit (I don't lurk any other online forums) - /r/feminismformen is a good example. In /r/Feminism it was difficult to find much real discussion when perusing its top of all time - I feel its focussed on the rights for women which is why they've created a male subreddit. | /r/MensRights | 04/06/14 09:34 PM |
| -1 | Instead of having "feminism" and "men's rights," why isn't there one civil rights group that works to solve inequalities suffered by both genders?You're really clinging to your pre-conceived ideas of Feminism, aren't you? | /r/MensRights | 04/06/14 11:25 AM |
| -1 | Instead of having "feminism" and "men's rights," why isn't there one civil rights group that works to solve inequalities suffered by both genders?No, those are some of the exact issues I have participated in discussion. Societal pressures felt by men do not exclude those felt by women; in fact, from experience Feminists realise these are sides of the same coin. For every woman discouraged from work and told to embrace homely duties, there's a man crumbling under the ever-increasing stress of providing for a family alone. | /r/MensRights | 04/06/14 10:56 AM |
| 3 | Instead of having "feminism" and "men's rights," why isn't there one civil rights group that works to solve inequalities suffered by both genders?I've raised issues about men in Feminist spaces and have never been accused of whining and mansplaining. I was listened to and sympathised with and pointed in the direction of groups, some Feminist run, who work to oppose these things. I'm just saying, a bad experience with Feminists doesn't indicate a moral bankruptcy throughout the entire ideology. I've also heard guys complain about this and in many instances have found that they actually are derailing discussion. Often, they take an issue th… | /r/MensRights | 04/06/14 09:00 AM |
| 3 | I saw a poem Maya Angelou wrote about empowering women. I thought I might try doing the same.Yes, because when the poet wrote that he intended on defining 'man' to mean a horse or the colour pink. It is overwhelmingly clear he is addressing pre-conceived notions about men. Just because you think men are lascivious or quick to anger or unappreciative of art, and one you meet isn't, does not make him any less of a man and appealing to the 'real man' line of rhetoric is ineffectual. | /r/MensRights | 03/06/14 02:03 PM |
| -4 | "#Notallmen rape, but #Yesallwomen live in fear of the ones that will"I just want to pose a thought experiment. I've posted it elsewhere on this sub, but I just want to understand the difference. Say you're a straight male and you're about to sleep with a woman you've just met. You're both sober and she informs you she is on the pill and you know for a fact she has no STIs. Would you sleep with her unprotected? The chance of a woman being a sperm-jacker might be on par with a man being a violent rapist, so is the caution you proceed with similar to that a woman ha… | /r/MensRights | 03/06/14 12:43 PM |
| 1 | "Women are used as sex symbols"? How about "People are used as sex symbols"? A large collection of how males are represented in the mediaI know. I'm not sure why you're purposefully misconstruing what I'm saying. Comic authors write to appeal to their largest demographic - straight males. Female characters, in my opinion, are depicted to appeal to straight males for this reason. | /r/MensRights | 03/06/14 04:30 AM |
| 1 | Sometimes /r/MensRights makes me scared of womenMhmm... absolutely doesn't justify the double standard. What if I put it another way - would you be willing to sleep with a woman you've just met unprotected? She's told you she is on the pill and doesn't have any STIs, do you proceed with an element of caution? One could argue that demonstrates a sexist view of women; that they are baby crazy and willing to sperm jack men, and/or are willing to lie for temporary gratification. No one denies these women exist - potentially as many as there are m… | /r/MensRights | 01/06/14 03:23 PM |
| 1 | "Women are used as sex symbols"? How about "People are used as sex symbols"? A large collection of how males are represented in the mediato appeal to straight boys and men. Just had to finish the sentence there. | /r/MensRights | 01/06/14 03:12 PM |
| -1 | Sometimes /r/MensRights makes me scared of womenWoman afraid of being attacked by men she is alone with, "Jeez, what a sexist, paranoid bitch. What if I were afraid of being mugged by every black person I meet?" Man afraid of a false rape accusation by women he is alone with, "I feel you, bro." edit: Downvoted without explanation. You guys are pathetic. | /r/MensRights | 01/06/14 09:35 AM |
| 0 | "Women are used as sex symbols"? How about "People are used as sex symbols"? A large collection of how males are represented in the mediaFemale superheroes in comics are depicted with huge boobs and impossibly thin waists, not to mention in overly-sexualised and impractical outfits, to appeal to straight boys and men. They are often drawn at angles which explicitly showcase their 'bits'. Imagine if 90% of male superheroes dressed like this and were positioned like Spiderman. A good analogy to draw is that straight women aren't attracted to him but straight men are often attracted to her. (Note too the distinction between comic bo… | /r/MensRights | 01/06/14 09:20 AM |
| 3 | "Women are used as sex symbols"? How about "People are used as sex symbols"? A large collection of how males are represented in the mediaThis is a horribly disingenuous post which I'm disappointed has been upvoted so highly. Firstly, what you are describing for a skinny person is achieving an ideal male physique. Fat people can't just lose weight and attain that physique. Its just as hard for a fat person as it is for a skinny person. A fat person can lose weight and achieve a 'skinny-fat' body. A skinny person can gain weight and look identical to the fat person as we now understand mesotypes aren't really a thing. To lose/gain … | /r/MensRights | 01/06/14 08:10 AM |
| 1 | There is not a monopoly on victimhood.I'm saying this sub doesn't need to spread misinformation. | /r/MensRights | 31/05/14 01:32 PM |
| 0 | There is not a monopoly on victimhood.Elliot could have been raised in Disneyland, never been exposed to sexual imagery or content, never been exposed to sexism, and still come out the way he did Really? That's an absurd claim which I'm surprised this sub has agreed with. | /r/MensRights | 31/05/14 06:43 AM |
| 2 | There is not a monopoly on victimhood.He hated the women who denied him sex What about in his manifesto where he said he wanted to kill all women and viewed them all as inferior beings? | /r/MensRights | 31/05/14 05:36 AM |
| 1 | Because we're taught "Don't run into open traffic" instead of "Watch carefully for pedestrians"... oh wait, we're taught both.So what is the right way of doing it? I was educated in school. Its the way you present the information, too. You can inform, "attackers tend to target women who look like this, drink this much, are by themselves," that doesn't actively discourage women from doing those things. It should also be framed with the 'Teach Men Not to Rape' mentality, which, as I've noted, works. It's about teaching people that what they might be doing is wrong when they didn't know it. Really? I don't think you actua… | /r/MensRights | 31/05/14 05:25 AM |
| 1 | Because we're taught "Don't run into open traffic" instead of "Watch carefully for pedestrians"... oh wait, we're taught both.They actually DO say "don't tell women they can cover their drinks". Or "don't tell women that if they drink too much and get unconscious, some bad person can take advantage of them". I've often heard feminists say this in the context that the person is trying to excuse the chance of getting raped or roofied - "Oh, you can always cover your drink." I also hear this when entire ad campaigns focus solely on the victim preventing rape, rather than rapists themselves. You'll never see an ad remindin… | /r/MensRights | 31/05/14 01:54 AM |
| 1 | Because we're taught "Don't run into open traffic" instead of "Watch carefully for pedestrians"... oh wait, we're taught both."Instead of teaching people not to talk to jocularly with the opposite sex, teach spouses not to abuse." The gendered language was purely incidental. I understand your sentiment, "teach people how to be careful," but this is already widely done. What I've always felt feminists are proposing is to focus on perpetrators just as much as victims. i.e. they're not saying, "never cover your drink," they're saying, "don't perpetuate the idea that being roofied is a lapse of focus on the victim's behalf… | /r/MensRights | 30/05/14 08:24 AM |
| 1 | Most say it's still a man's job to pay for first dateFeminists advocate the exact opposite of men having to pay for first dates. It isn't only you, nor should the qualifier, "I'm a feminist," be necessary. This sub should be focussed on truth rather than misrepresenting the other side. This isn't directed at you - I don't think you've implicitly misrepresented feminism - but rather a tendency to take an issue that's sexist toward men and associate it with feminism (the draft, for example) such that responses like this are necessitated. | /r/MensRights | 30/05/14 06:57 AM |
| 1 | Because we're taught "Don't run into open traffic" instead of "Watch carefully for pedestrians"... oh wait, we're taught both.I don't understand these rebuttals. TRPACC is offering more precise analogies and this discussion is about defending the half-baked ones. Why not simply adopt these suggested analogies when you haven't been able to refute them in any way? Is it because they don't sound as compelling? "Instead of teaching men not to talk too casually or jocularly with other women, teach spouses not to abuse." Not quite as dismissive as, "Instead of teaching people not to run into open traffic, teach motorists to … | /r/MensRights | 29/05/14 06:28 PM |
| 1 | Feminists highjack what should be a Mental Health issue.If you're entitled, you just take. Not quite. Its an expectation that leads to cognitive dissonance when not fulfilled. This dissonance may manifest itself externally (in the case of someone 'taking it'), but its often internalised through self pity and a harboured bitterness toward women. it stands to reason that we'd have a rape epidemic. Well... that falls under what Feminists have labelled rape culture. I don't think that's a debate worth having, so we can agree to disagree. | /r/MensRights | 29/05/14 03:46 PM |
| -1 | Because we're taught "Don't run into open traffic" instead of "Watch carefully for pedestrians"... oh wait, we're taught both.This was necessary. Too many times you'll see poorly thought out content upvoted simply because its anti-feminism and everyone hops on the bandwagon. Newsflash: not ever belief feminists espouse are wrong. Not every dissident view an MRA has is right. Let's elevate the calibre of discussion. | /r/MensRights | 29/05/14 03:02 PM |
| 1 | Feminists highjack what should be a Mental Health issue.I never asked you to defend PUAs. Note too the PUA community is rejected by Feminism, so I'm not sure the intent of your 1st paragraph. To take the manifesto of a narcissistic psychopath as an insight into the contemporary male experience is both intellectually dishonest and enormously insulting. The argument being had is that a lot of men share some of his core beliefs. Obviously, he extruded those beliefs to the point where he considered the only course of action was to murder all women (spurr… | /r/MensRights | 29/05/14 05:06 AM |
| 1 | Feminists highjack what should be a Mental Health issue.How is it doublespeak? Does this sub blindly upvote buzz terms? | /r/MensRights | 28/05/14 09:07 PM |
| -4 | Feminists highjack what should be a Mental Health issue.Thank you. I've always thought it reflects more about the voter than it does the commenter. | /r/MensRights | 28/05/14 05:35 AM |
| -1 | Feminists highjack what should be a Mental Health issue.I'm not understanding the request. Are you intending to take instances of tweets I agree with and explain why they aren't issues? Or are you asking me to collate a series of tweets which resonate a similar theme? | /r/MensRights | 28/05/14 05:02 AM |
| -9 | Feminists highjack what should be a Mental Health issue.No one is claiming your first point. Violence can be made gendered if the intent of the assailant is to harm someone based on their gender which was the initial motivation of the hashtag. And I remember the discussion when Boko Haram incident was first posted here. It was only highlighted in response to coverage of the later abduction. But that's one example, I'm just pointing out the hashtag isn't necessarily wrong or exploitative. You're now going to have to describe what you think male entitl… | /r/MensRights | 28/05/14 03:15 AM |
| -8 | Feminists highjack what should be a Mental Health issue.Well that's essentially what the hashtag attempts to do. I can't say I have specific studies at my fingertips, but I can say the subject matter in these tweets reflect my experiences (as a man) and the experiences of women I know. | /r/MensRights | 28/05/14 02:42 AM |
| -29 | Feminists highjack what should be a Mental Health issue.#yesallpeople is a really dumb retort by this community. It implies there is never a time where women can speak about their specific gendered issues. Feminists are accused of exploiting the tragedy, but I think its a springboard to dispel toxic notions held by men toward women that are pervasive in today's society. In a similar way the MRM took the Boko Haram slaughtering of young boys and used it as a talking point of violence against men being ridden off in the media. The issue with Rodger is … | /r/MensRights | 28/05/14 12:20 AM |
| 12 | Deleted by FrogmanNot all women. | /r/MensRights | 27/05/14 09:43 AM |
| 0 | Tumblr user discusses the "Not All Men" trend and the hypocrisyThat's such a stupid distortion of the issue. The parent comment of this thread responded to the false equivalence between calling out those who retort "not all men" and defense of terms like 'tranny' and 'fag'. What they've worded poorly is that the author argues the former is on par with the later, such that a straight white male who is shut down when interjecting this phrase experiences discrimination akin to transsexual and gay people. Men who are neither straight nor white quite can obvious… | /r/MensRights | 27/05/14 05:31 AM |
| 1 | Tumblr user discusses the "Not All Men" trend and the hypocrisyAmong the single-bias hate crime incidents in 2012... 22.0 percent were victims of an anti-white bias. I had no idea these numbers were so high. My position needs to be rethought. | /r/MensRights | 27/05/14 05:03 AM |
| -2 | Tumblr user discusses the "Not All Men" trend and the hypocrisyI think you've misinterpreted what the commenter is trying to say. He/she is saying there's virtually no threat of being physically and sexually assaulted on account of being a straight white man. The list of 200+ federal level female only programs and laws is troubling. Would you say that there being 200+ federal level indigenous programs and laws be an indicator that indigenous people are over-privileged? I also take issue with the opening statement on the first blog,"this list will hopefully … | /r/MensRights | 25/05/14 10:40 PM |
| -8 | I can't believe those ads existThe point is I'm trying to make him/her realise what they sound like. It wasn't intended as a generalisation. | /r/MensRights | 22/05/14 12:23 PM |
| 0 | I can't believe those ads existI think the point trying to be made is that boys are exhibiting a lack of respect for women. These posters address that deficit rather than deeming male respect for females the most important kind. | /r/MensRights | 22/05/14 12:09 PM |
| -12 | I can't believe those ads existNo, MRAs aren't bitter... | /r/MensRights | 22/05/14 11:59 AM |
| 1 | I told my girlfriend how I felt about men's rights issues...Thank goodness. The last thing this sub needs is another member who internalises bitterness toward all feminists and sometimes just women in general. Its sad her initial response was like that, but the later apology shows willingness to change and learn. As stated before, see if you can think of any personal experiences (i.e. ways you've been made to feel disposable) to strengthen your points and put a human face to the issues you raise. I've seen many women effectively reason with their male pa… | /r/MensRights | 20/05/14 03:43 PM |
| 1 | I told my girlfriend how I felt about men's rights issues...If you want some real advice, don't take relationship tips from redditors ideologically opposed to your girlfriend's beliefs. If you think she has the capacity to change her apparent perception that men either face no problems or those that they do are self-imposed, then its up to you to discuss that with her in a sensitive and mature manner. It will continually come up in future as you two experience a clash in your universal outlook which is just about the deepest opposition two people can hav… | /r/MensRights | 20/05/14 02:57 PM |
| -4 | Creep shamed, because I wouldn't let a woman return a sweaterI hope MRAs who spout crap like this don't turn around and claim only feminists have a persecution complex. | /r/MensRights | 17/05/14 05:07 AM |
| -1 | Man complains that Lifeguard testing favors womenYou obviously have no idea what you are talking about. And the fact you have so many upvotes demonstrates an ongoing tendency to confirm the 'pussy pass'. /u/Red_Canuck, someone who has actually done the course, has linked to the standards all lifeguards are subject to indiscriminate of gender. He/she clarifies in this parent that all lifeguards must uphold these standards and an additional requirement contingent on one's own bodyweight. The respective sizes of the girls who passed while the man… | /r/MensRights | 16/05/14 05:21 AM |
| 1 | Man complains that Lifeguard testing favors womenHmm, it seems less like you're actually trying to get to the bottom of the issue, by disagreeing with someone who actually knows what they are talking about, and more like you're clinging to this fabrication where women have everything much easier than men. | /r/MensRights | 16/05/14 04:57 AM |
| 3 | "You go, girl! Great argument!" as a conversation between two women, as requested.I'm not sure I follow you. How would your criticism of feminism differ from one of men's rights? Are MRAs not for equality by your definition? | /r/MensRights | 15/05/14 11:55 AM |
| 1 | Somehow I actually changed feminists' POV..... (or a brief story about Solange)I was so far beyond that in my previous post Lol. Ok, whatever. Why don't you respond to the specific quotes taken from your comment? If not, I'll quite happily agree to disagree. | /r/MensRights | 15/05/14 02:56 AM |
| 1 | Somehow I actually changed feminists' POV..... (or a brief story about Solange)I cycle. I don't expect to be hit by a car every time I ride. I obey road rules and do my best to compensate for the mistakes of other drivers - that's what keeps me safe. Operating under fear leaves me prone to over-correction and an overall impediment to my riding capability which hinders my safety. Word games don't win arguments. Oh, and if I didn't want to accept the inherent risks of cycling, I WOULDN'T FUCKING CYCLE. (Wow, caps lock is fun.) Women can't stop being women, however, and that … | /r/MensRights | 15/05/14 02:41 AM |
| 1 | Somehow I actually changed feminists' POV..... (or a brief story about Solange)The most common example thrown around, I meant; not most commonly occurring. A far more common example is family members and those close to the victim asking these questions. Reading back over I realise I've made that unclear through my wording. The study talks about the credibility women are given when approaching police about rape, so questioning women about their clothing indicates skepticism. Particular attention is paid to identification of the principal factors affecting police perceptions… | /r/MensRights | 15/05/14 01:58 AM |
| 1 | Somehow I actually changed feminists' POV..... (or a brief story about Solange)Jane Doe, who won a landmark case against Toronto police in 1998 when a judge ruled she was used as bait to capture a serial rapist, said that unfortunately this was not the comment of “one bad apple.” “In 2007, I was paid by the Toronto Police Services Board to monitor their sexual assault training for two weeks and the course is riddled with sexist and racist myths and attitudes about rape. I produced an assessment for them and it quickly disappeared.” I hope you weren't banking on me not prov… | /r/MensRights | 15/05/14 01:29 AM |
| 11 | Women are Human beings, Men are Human Doings. -Remains true as of 5/13/2014What is up with the top comments on that video? "My gender built modern civilization. My gender fought and died for the freedom I enjoy and females received their sperm while these men were dying and thinking and working for good. All women are whores and leeches on men and must be considered a lower cast." Sheesh. | /r/MensRights | 14/05/14 06:52 AM |
| 1 | Somehow I actually changed feminists' POV..... (or a brief story about Solange)There is a huge analogous difference stemming from the intentionality of the risk. When a cyclist rides their bike, they don't do so each time under constant fear and expectation of being hit. An accident can happen to anyone at any time indiscriminately so they don't have much control over what happens to them. Its also a risk they assume by simply getting on the bike, and one which governments attempt to mitigate through education of drivers in checking for cyclists and amending road laws. The… | /r/MensRights | 14/05/14 05:59 AM |
| 1 | Somehow I actually changed feminists' POV..... (or a brief story about Solange)deserving At no point did I imply that. And I'm not projecting, its just that you've tacked onto a discussion in which I'm arguing against a perspective you don't hold. I'm confused as to why you've responded when my position has been clear from the start. You can change the subject, but essentially I'm trying to get rid of the nonsense about rape victims and administering of blame preponderant in this sub. If you think that a woman is somehow at fault in wearing a certain type of attire when sh… | /r/MensRights | 14/05/14 05:15 AM |
| 1 | Somehow I actually changed feminists' POV..... (or a brief story about Solange)I find it alarming that you think women have such a low threshold for protesting to such a degree. This quote was the initial thrust for slut walks, however it has evolved into something which attempts to dispel toxic notions of women, their clothing choice and how it is somehow rationalised to justify instances of cat-calling, sexual assault and overall negative attention. Included in that is the relevance of what women were wearing (in terms of promiscuity) in police investigation of rape. Edi… | /r/MensRights | 14/05/14 12:02 AM |
| 1 | Somehow I actually changed feminists' POV..... (or a brief story about Solange)I don't think you understand. I didn't mean to imply all police ask this when rape victims approach them, I'm talking about the trend of scepticism they're faced with which have often manifested in questions such as, "What were you wearing?" I've done a poor job apparently citing cases of this, so I will make a better effort to accrue more for next time. I've also fixed the second link if you're interested in that case study. Edit: I'd also like to point out you echo the point I'm making when ta… | /r/MensRights | 13/05/14 10:30 PM |
| 0 | Somehow I actually changed feminists' POV..... (or a brief story about Solange)You didn't read the study? And the VAWA is the "Arrest A Man Every Time No Matter Who Is At Fault" act? Well, talk about a religion of fear. | /r/MensRights | 13/05/14 10:20 PM |
| 1 | Somehow I actually changed feminists' POV..... (or a brief story about Solange)Previously, you wrote, Going out at night carries inherent risks, which can be mitigated by not dressing flashy or provocatively I just want to know at what point does an individual's attire hold them partially responsible in their sexual assault in that it is too "flashy"? Also, it should be noted that this is complete misinformation. Here's a pretty comprehensive dissemination of why - http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/776945.html. | /r/MensRights | 13/05/14 04:49 PM |
| -1 | Somehow I actually changed feminists' POV..... (or a brief story about Solange)I doubt the fact he's wearing a singlet would have much influence in the case of being mugged, but that's besides the point. Its not a wording issue, its an error in framing the issue - deriving an ought from an is. People should do what keeps them safe, but where is the line drawn when it comes to others encroaching on your safety? Should women dress like this as a preventative measure? No? How many centimetres above her knee before she has acted recklessly, then? And how should men's clothing … | /r/MensRights | 13/05/14 03:57 PM |
| 0 | Somehow I actually changed feminists' POV..... (or a brief story about Solange)In one case, a lawyer told a woman who had been raped that they would not be pursuing her case, “particularly bearing in mind the type of underwear that you had on at the time”. While Josie was being interviewed, her mother was questioned by officers about what her daughter had been wearing on the day of the attack. She was told that her daughter had ‘known what she was doing’ and that her injuries were consistent with first time sex. The rallies began after Constable Michael Sanguinetti, a Toro… | /r/MensRights | 13/05/14 03:40 PM |
| -1 | Somehow I actually changed feminists' POV..... (or a brief story about Solange)Hmm... To clarify, what argument is fresco5 making by giving the analogy, Yeah and likewise if a man stumbles through a rough neighborhood at night with hundred dollar bills stapled onto his clothing he's not culpable if he's mugged / assaulted. in response to, I don't agree with the idea that a victim could be held culpable for his/her rape because of clothing. He/she then goes on to say, on the issue of clothing choice, Some people think that they can act foolishly and thereby put themselves i… | /r/MensRights | 13/05/14 03:07 PM |
| -1 | Somehow I actually changed feminists' POV..... (or a brief story about Solange)I might have misused the term complicit. I mean that they are thought to be responsible in their assault. Unless that was your interpretation, in which case I'd need you to elaborate. | /r/MensRights | 13/05/14 02:35 PM |
| 0 | Somehow I actually changed feminists' POV..... (or a brief story about Solange)I'm male too and receive this same advice. It is sound and no one argues it should be withheld from being told to people. That's not the point I'm making. Its the idea that being roofied should be an expectation such that if one is drugged it can only be the fault of the victim in allowing it to happen unless they are forcibly made to drink something. It also suggests the assailant is somehow exempt from blame. I don't see the problem making a minor effort of just reducing the risk a bit. No one… | /r/MensRights | 13/05/14 02:03 PM |
| 0 | Somehow I actually changed feminists' POV..... (or a brief story about Solange)Firstly, legally an individual who is black-out drunk can't consent to sex so your first analogy falls down. Vehicular homicide is unintentional, so this is a different case in talking about normalisation. A parallel could be drawn if cyclists were actively sought out and hit by motorists. Likewise, a woman shouldn't be going on a night jog through detroit wearing booty shorts and a sports bra. This is where we fundamentally differ, and would be good point to end the discussion as neither will c… | /r/MensRights | 13/05/14 01:45 PM |
| 0 | Somehow I actually changed feminists' POV..... (or a brief story about Solange)I don't agree. I think victim blaming can be drawn from a safety precaution. The most common example is when a woman reports her rape and the first question the police officer asks is, "What were you wearing?" This implies that had she taken the precaution of wearing something less revealing the rape would have been prevented and that she is in some way responsible. This is a universally recognised case of victim blaming. If you disagree that it is, then it is a semantic issue on your behalf. Ot… | /r/MensRights | 13/05/14 01:32 PM |
| -5 | Somehow I actually changed feminists' POV..... (or a brief story about Solange)Wait, tell me what you are saying. What I'm reading from your language and your analogy is that women act "foolishly" by wearing revealing clothing and are resultantly complicit in their assault. Its not so much a question of women not being careful, but the extent of care they are expected to take when out in public. Skirt a couple of centimetres too far up? You know what you're asking for when dressing like that. Didn't have your drink covered at all times throughout the night? Darling, you kn… | /r/MensRights | 13/05/14 12:54 PM |
| -1 | "CMV:I believe that the mens rights movement is just a bunch of over privileged anti-women, sexist white males. Can you convince me its a legitimate movement? I'm also white and male so I have no gender/race bias." So much bullshit flying around in this thread right now.Well, no one can stop you from commenting, but in turn you reserve the right to criticise SRS ever again. | /r/MensRights | 13/05/14 11:56 AM |
| 0 | Somehow I actually changed feminists' POV..... (or a brief story about Solange)So... women should go around actively disguising that they are women in fear of being raped? Is that what this sub has turned to? | /r/MensRights | 13/05/14 11:38 AM |
| 1 | I actually don't know if you guys would like this or not. But I found it super funny."Patriarchy is a social system in which males are the primary authority figures central to social organization, occupying roles of political leadership, moral authority, and control of property, and where fathers hold authority over women and children." This is the Wikipedia definition of patriarchy. Does contemporary western society not fit this definition? The last part about fathers doesn't ring as true anymore, though traditions such as asking a father his daughter's hand in marriage are som… | /r/MensRights | 11/05/14 03:45 PM |
| 5 | Male actors may now have stricter body image requirements than women.Haha, you obviously don't know anything about fitness. Women need to eat properly and hit up the gym to meet Hollywood's body image requirements. Or, you know, you can continue living in this fabrication that women have everything much easier than men. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/14 05:07 AM |
| 1 | My Facebook this morning.Your first point doesn't stand as I haven't claimed anything - you're the one saying it doesn't exist (i.e. -1). I've been saying it could be the case, but aren't willing to take your word for things and would like you to support what you are saying. You've been at -1 this whole exchange though you've provided 0 evidence. I could easily walk around and say extra terrestrial life doesn't exist as no one has shown me any evidence, but that wouldn't make me a good scientist. The appropriate respons… | /r/MensRights | 11/02/14 11:47 PM |
| 1 | My Facebook this morning.there are no studies demonstrating a problem with my personal experience to make the claim. Back that up. Give me a study that sets out to demonstrate gender disparity and finds none. Saying you haven't found anything indicates half-assed to zero research on your part. Bossy is never a word used to describe organized and helpful team members thus described as "leaders". As it turns out, it is. Read the link I posted in my last comment. Tears under any circumstance indicate an inability to contro… | /r/MensRights | 11/02/14 10:58 PM |
| 1 | My Facebook this morning.The "issues" raised by the Facebook propaganda simply are not real. You're just saying that without any evidence. Maybe you could cite some studies? I have never seen any evidence Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. The appropriate thing to do would be suspend judgment, rather than colour your belief with anecdote as you do later on in the paragraph. I spent about 3 minutes on Google and found this article that seems relevant and looks well sourced. Read it if you wish and perhaps do … | /r/MensRights | 11/02/14 09:46 AM |
| 1 | My Facebook this morning.You made this really obvious. If he was a she she would be just as bossy and a bitch with the behavior they exhibit. | /r/MensRights | 11/02/14 09:19 AM |
| 1 | I define myself and derive my value by my own standards. I don't need to be "empowered"Reposting a comment I just made in response to the parent. Pretty simple: Pt. 1 - Non-sequitir with Feminism; in fact, its what the movement supports. Pt. 2 - The first sentence is supported by Feminism as well. Good for her in terms of the second sentence; however, other women might. In the same way MensRights empowers a lot of underprivileged and discriminated men. Pt. 3 - An opinion by one woman who, might I also add, is white, middle-class and living in a developed nation. I'd like to see so… | /r/MensRights | 11/01/14 08:39 AM |
| 2 | I define myself and derive my value by my own standards. I don't need to be "empowered"Pretty simple: Pt. 1 - Non-sequitir with Feminism; in fact, its what the movement supports. Pt. 2 - The first sentence is supported by Feminism as well. Good for her in terms of the second sentence; however, other women might. In the same way MensRights empowers a lot of underprivileged and discriminated men. Pt. 3 - An opinion by one woman who, might I also add, is white, middle-class and living in a developed nation. I'd like to see some sources or evidence which refute the Feminist claim. Pt.… | /r/MensRights | 11/01/14 07:37 AM |
| -2 | Confused about the perception of Men's RightsThe points raised in this forum often position women and feminism as the sole causes. In my experience, however, men are equal perpetrators in reinforcing the thinking behind our issues (i.e. men are inept at child rearing, playing with young children is weird, men can't be raped, men can't be physically harmed by women, emotions are for pussies etc). To me, these notions have always seemed as patriarchal as they are anti-men. We shouldn't be so steadfast on positioning women as the only cause o… | /r/MensRights | 05/11/13 03:07 AM |
| 1 | Thoughts on this recent Onion article? - 'Ah, To Be Young, Rich, White, Male, College-Educated, Straight, And In Love'Not worked up about it - I think its really funny and surprisingly accurate. I'm not an MRA, but was interested in finding out this subreddit's response to whether the sentiment is agreed with or denigrating and marginalising in a way I wasn't aware. | /r/MensRights | 26/10/13 01:00 AM |
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