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I get what you’re trying to say here. I feel like a better way to say it is that personal physical attraction matters. Everyone has different ideas of what’s attractive, but that attraction needs to be there (at least a spark) for someone to continue engaging. Assuming someone is seeking a partner. To act like finding someone physically appealing shouldn’t matter is disingenuous.
/r/ExRedPill08/04/22 12:02 PM
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It always has been. They’re just not concerned with trying to appear otherwise anymore.
/r/ExRedPill10/02/22 06:18 AM
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Yep. Toxic AF. Had to leave it because it became as bad as MGTOW and the like. Just a misinformed, bitter hatefest.
/r/ExRedPill07/02/22 09:08 AM
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This guy must hang around pretty shitty people in general to feel this way. None of this is specific to men.
/r/ExRedPill25/11/21 06:32 AM
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Realistically I think the only people that believe them are other RPers. Common sense destroys this argument, so they’re really just reinforcing it to their fellow deluded RPers.
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 06:12 AM
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It shows how dangerous and broken they are that they even entertain those thoughts in the first place. And it’s not worth arguing because it’s a preposterous opinion anyways.
/r/ExRedPill05/09/21 08:01 AM
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Yup. Just didn’t realize you were going that direction.
/r/ExRedPill30/01/21 06:01 AM
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Thank you. I was thinking of the manosphere red pill version.
/r/ExRedPill30/01/21 06:01 AM
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Sorry, but I don’t get how that’s red pill?
/r/ExRedPill30/01/21 05:35 AM
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This comes off as a joke, like MGTOW in general. It’s one of those insane ideas that only reflects poorly on the people proposing it, rather than the imaginary problems/people they say they’re fighting against.
/r/ExRedPill14/11/20 08:09 AM
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That’s super sad then. Perhaps the focus should be on people understanding their inherent self worth and being comfortable being alone, than with someone they feel is a “loser” (for whatever reason that may be).
/r/ExRedPill04/11/20 04:09 PM
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Furthermore, why would anyone pick someone they consider a loser?
/r/ExRedPill04/11/20 09:13 AM
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I’m sure there’s some in there, but I wouldn’t say it’s a pattern. You have to mentally deviate from a typical range to even entertain that ideas spouted by the manosphere movements. And it’s the same way for toxic femininity. Trying to gamify human interaction by fitting people into rigid stereotypes strips them of their individuality The typical RPr is unable to accept their life circumstances, and refuses to take accountability for the factors within their control. They instead choose to inve…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 10:34 PM
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I don't think it's disrespectful at all. The fact is, different types of relationships hit milestones differently. And then on top of that, you need to factor in personal convictions, which vary a lot from person to person. Each encounter is a new thing, and just because you wait/didn't wait with one person, should have absolutely no bearing on your actions with someone else. To think otherwise shows a lack of appreciation for people's differences. The way I look at it, here are the two most lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 01:50 AM
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This just doesn’t seem fair to me, but I also recognize that it’s a personal choice for each person. Also if they are the type to get all bent out of shape because the sharing doesn’t go the way they expected, and they didn’t voice these expectations with their date, it’s all on them. No matter what stage of getting to know someone you’re in, clear communication of expectations is needed. To go back to the “fair “part. In most cases the first date is barely an actual date because it is the first…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 09:10 PM
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Your end result tracks. What else could it be when asking for advice from a sub half filled with nihilistic and broken MGTOWs, TRPs, FDSs, and incels? They are the worst ones to get advice from. They just want you to be as unhappy as they are. The best thing you can do is treat this sub as mindless entertainment and not take any of it seriously. Then take a good look inside yourself and figure out what your true wants and ideals are and make changes to help facilitate that. Being realistic and h…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 02:57 AM
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It does. As should yours to you. And we should each filter for people that share the same reality. Just like I filter out someone that thinks like you in real life. People are different and that’s fine, nobody’s forcing us to engage in optional relationships with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 03:36 PM
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If that’s how you want to look at it, fine. Doesn’t change a thing for me. You do you, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 02:47 PM
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I agree with your final statement, but not your reasoning. Women are not picker, that word has an incorrect connotation to it. Women and men that care beyond how tingly someone makes their naughty bits feel are just more discerning, and that’s always a good thing. Archaic gender roles and societal expectations need to be phased out in my opinion. Even if they served some sort of purpose in the past, they don’t now. Change has to start somewhere. Outdated gender expectations should not come into …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 06:26 AM
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The fact that the word “manipulate” is used here takes all credibility from this argument. Some personal accountability would be nice on every side.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 12:05 AM
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Only speaking for myself. The dude’s opinion of me relationship-wise and if we have sex or not, are two different things. I have sex when I feel ready, and that changes depending on the type or relationship I’m seeking (which is clearly communicated to that other person up front). Frankly, I wouldn’t seriously date someone whose relationship probability opinion hinged on whether I had sex with them or not. It’s such an irrelevant factor and shows a hypocritical mentality. As a demisexual, it’s n…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 01:18 PM
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I was asked in my most recent relationship. I don't remember it ever coming up in others. To me it's nothing to be precious about so I answered truthfully and I assumed he did too. We are about the same and it never came up again. I wouldn't have cared if he was significantly more as long as he was clean and monogamous with me. I'm not sure how he would have reacted if we weren't the same so I can't testify to that scenario. Not with the guy anymore; I slept with him; sex was the same as other d…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 07:27 PM
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Not gonna lie, you had me in the first half there. Simply having preferences (with no prejudice behind the reasoning) does not make someone a misogynist, misandrist, sexist, or a bad person. Being a hypocrite, and holding yourself to different standards based on faulty gender stereotypes, does. Hypocrites should not be surprised when they are called out as such when they don’t hold themselves to the standards they’re seeking. They don't have to listen to the people trying to talk sense into them…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 12:59 AM
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You’re only expected to if you sign up for it. So don’t sign up for it. Otherwise, keep doing what you’re doing and be up front with the people that you are with on your limitations.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 07:04 PM
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I semi agree the the OP. I wouldn’t call it “low effort,” it’s more like “appropriate effort.” You don’t really know this person or if you’ll even like them after the date. Be pleasant, curious, and frugal. Why overextend yourself for a stranger? Save your mental time and energy for those you’ve vetted and know are worth your time. I do object to the idea that you should keep it low cost just because the other person may come to expect it if you splurge. If someone approaches dating with this fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 06:58 AM
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👍
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 10:55 PM
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Lol. Imagine thinking someone is open to being hit up by default because of their location, or they’re not reading a book, looking at their phone, or talking to another person, and may or may not be wearing clothes that you deem provocative. Lmao the delusion. Someone is showing clear signs If you are in the middle of a convention floor dressed as LC, or hanging out in a skimpy outfit at a bar, you don’t get to claim “I am sending clear signs that I don’t want to interact”. They’re not rejecting…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 04:46 PM
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I never say all men are pigs. I was only addressing the one that literally said: What does anyone care whether they want to be approached or not?... If you don’t wanna be approached don’t dress provocatively... It speaks for itself. That reads as if whether you’re actually encouraged or not, you’re gonna do what you want. Who cares if you back off after? If someone’s showing clear signs they don’t want to interact and you creep on them, you’re a creep. Especially if you interpret wearing “provoc…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 04:11 PM
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True. And it’s just as relevant for both sides. If you want equal effort from that other person, filter for that. If you value being an equal and having a healthy give and take, filter for that. If you grasp to archaic gender social stereotypes and prefer to be a “gentleman” and “lady,” filter for that. There’s no ultimate right or wrong, just what’s wrong for you. So this is more a matter of being a mis-match in preferred dynamic. People date to figure out compatibility. They have a preferred d…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 06:45 AM
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You're right, I could clarify more. I edited my original comment (changes in bold) to make them apply to the specific mindset the other user was espousing. And I wouldn't have any worries because I would not approach someone unwarranted. So bring on the "draconian" society!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 01:44 AM
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Thanks for the laugh. Sometimes things get too heated in here and a good chuckle really brings things back to reality. I appreciated that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 01:37 AM
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Thanks man. Silver looks good on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 12:49 AM
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What does anyone care whether they want to be approached or not?... If you don’t wanna be approached don’t dress provocatively... Yes, these quotes from the original dude definitely show the mindset of an individual with no self control or a grasp on personal space. Someone one step away from harassment and not giving AF about it. Jail? Okay, maybe that's harsh. I'll downgrade it to being held for 3 hours in a mall security guard's office after being stopped for following teenage girls around af…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 12:49 AM
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There's no logic in your response so I have nothing to argue against. Have a good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 12:42 AM
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Well, since you asked. Overt signs are *actions*, not clothing choices. Let's say, prolonged eye contact, smiles, waves, moving closer in proximity, sending them a drink, coming up and starting a conversation, aka interaction with intent. Anything but that, they most likely don't want to engage or are not even aware you are there. And I guess someone can still shoot their shot, but odds are it won't be welcome. ...if the girl says she isn’t interested then the guy should back off. Glad we are on…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 12:37 AM
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What does anyone care whether they want to be approached or not? Does the world need to bend its behavior to what the individual wants… They care when you violate their right to exist peacefully by exerting your will on their own. It’s not hard to understand, so I don’t get what you’re struggling to grasp here. Just don’t go around forcing yourself into the immediate path of people that want nothing to do with you by being indifferent or giving overt signs of do not engage. If you don’t wanna be…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 11:05 PM
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Imagine thinking that people need your permission to be attracted to you… Feminism really has done a number on women’s perception of reality. Lol. It boggles my mind that that is what you interpreted from that phrase. And then even went on to tie it to feminism. Is it so hard to understand that if somebody is not giving you hints it may mean that they don’t want to be approached? No matter what they are wearing and their gender. They’re not telling you not to be attracted, they’re just telling y…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 09:55 PM
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You said this perfectly. It’s about reading the room and keeping thoughts in your head until clear consent is given.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 04:25 PM
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Just the ones they don’t follow. Funny how that works.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 04:44 PM
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You do you man. As long as you’ve confirmed you’re not deceiving the other person to reach your goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 08:21 PM
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His goal is not made clear so we can’t assume. But that could totally happen if all he wants is to screw. And if she’s on board she is fine playing the game. Good for both of them. Then again maybe that’s not what he wants. So he is using her reaction to this instance as a filter. I wouldn’t want to date someone that doesn’t respect me as an equal either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 08:06 PM
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Maybe he wants to turn off this type of women though. It’s a win-win.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 07:53 PM
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I’m firmly Team Fuck Societal Norms. Keep in mind that these are only my opinions. I am a big proponent of “you do you as long as It doesn’t infringe on the inherent rights of others.” So if some people assign worth to antiquated gender roles, they need to be up front about it to give the other person the opportunity to opt out if they are of a more progressive mindset. Let people do their thing but not be shady about it. So it’s more of a matter of filtering for those that share your values ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 07:32 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 06:33 AM
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Yep! Staunchly Childfree and looking to date with potential for long term, so kids are a dealbreaker for me. No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 03:43 PM
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Agreed. This was a sad and disturbing thread. The "dread" approach is not a way to maintain a healthy relationship. So I guess it works if someone wants something transactional and devoid of a genuine connection. Who are we to force someone's hand if it doesn't affect us as we stay clear from this type of person anyways?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 09:55 PM
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I think the Karen meme is mocking a very specific type of person, and doesn’t necessarily have to be a woman. I have always interpreted it as an entitlement mindset that goes beyond gender or ethnicity. I am not a Karen so the memes don’t bother me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 09:31 AM
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There are lazy conversationalists on both sides of the fence. If you’re not one of them, you’re not going to put up with it, and if you are one, you won’t be bothered by it. It’s more of reading profiles to get a feel for level of effort so that you can go into the conversation more informed a.k.a. less disappointed if/when they’re a dud. And of course the reasons for being there are as unique as the people using the app. So we also can’t go into it assuming they are there for the exact same rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/20 05:04 PM
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Unfortunately true. The mental acrobatics some people go through to explain their hypocrisy is entertaining sometimes though. One reason I’m in this group.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/20 04:37 PM
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Because women are not a hive mind. Some women care and others don’t. Just like dudes. It’s a personal preference. Let’s just hope people aren’t being hypocrites about it!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/20 09:01 AM
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Woof. That's a take. Each side has it equally hard but in different ways. To try to say otherwise shows that someone can't recognize the genders are not a hive mind and have unique drives not tied to their biology. Dating is not a game of "who has it worse." It's evaluating suitability for the type of relationship you want. If one approaches it that way, no wonder they get frustrated because that "poor me" attitude turns people off big time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 07:01 PM
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Sure, this applies to some of each sex. Not my problem though so I don’t care if they do their thing and I’ll filter for it when I’m looking for a dude to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 06:10 PM
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There’s only gatekeeping if you approach relationships with an unhealthy and uneven mindset. Otherwise it’s two people making a conscious decision to prioritize each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 08:23 PM
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Ah! Well in that case we see the same actions and interpret it differently. Not much to say about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 08:44 PM
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Well in your example particularly, I'd say that if anyone gets defensive about it then you have your answer there. For whatever reason, whether they simply think it's not a concern or if they aren't/are a virgin, they don't value it the same way you do so you're incompatible. Again, only concern yourself with the people that are applicable. You determine your standards, but you also have to own that it will turn people off and be okay with it. Also, I am assuming that the men looking for virgins…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 07:52 PM
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That’s a valid concern. Transparency is key to not being an asshole is this situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 02:30 PM
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What does “being dragon” mean? Your comment about sociopathy doesn’t make sense. Can you explain your reasoning?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 07:02 AM
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Why do people get so bent out of shape over this practice? It’s just another dating style. If you don’t like "juggling" don’t do it and filter people out that do when vetting your potential partners. Only concern yourself with the people that are applicable and ignore the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/20 05:57 AM
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100% The hypocrisy is what’s being judged here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 09:33 AM
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You do you man.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 08:18 AM
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Okay. And in my opinion, yes, the specific subset of men I am describing is insecure. They are threatened by the mere fact that a woman had a life before them. These men want a woman who has little or nothing to compare their sex life to to make them feel better. And the thing is, I think most of these men really have nothing to worry about, they are fighting a boogeyman of their own creation. Now if the guy holds himself to the same little or no inexperience standard, that’s fine because they a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 08:18 AM
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You are! For the most part we are, beyond what’s dictated by genetics. Mentally we are quite similar, but our traditional societal roles have conditioned us to see each other as opposites. Outdated gender stereotypes and societal norms are to blame for the perceived differences in the genders. Just one example; men are by default breadwinners. That’s a lot of stress to put on one person, not to mention it gets harder and harder to maintain this considering the cost of living these days. That’s j…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 08:02 AM
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Scary times!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 07:26 AM
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Okay. I’m still gonna filter out men who operate under what I consider to be a double standard. It’s both of our imperatives to do so, right? Why care about the undesirables?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 07:23 AM
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It’s equally laughable and sad. Because men can’t be sluts, amirite? All you can do is try to filter for people that think that way and avoid them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 07:19 AM
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Definitely a double standard that needs to change. And really, how much does the opinion of a man that considers a woman that’s had sex before him a “slut” really matter anyways? I feel like there’s improvement needed on both sides. Women do what they want and own it, knowing it’ll turn off some men and be okay with it. Just like men can do what they want and need to live with the fact that it’ll turn off some women. As long as neither side is being a hypocrite and it’s more about personal stand…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 07:05 AM
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I agree. Be honest and weed out the men who are insecure early on. Why would you want to invest in someone you’ll have to coddle and is threatened by your life before them? The same path that made you into the person they fancy today? It’s better to cut that off early and look for someone more suitable (on both sides).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 06:52 AM
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I appreciate the wall of text, it’s obvious you’re passionate about your opinions. Frankly, I don’t want to dedicate the mental energy and time to respond to how you (purposefully?) misconstrued every point I made. And as I don’t agree with any of your foundational points or examples, I don’t see the point in debating further. My mind won’t be swayed, as yours won’t. Like I said, this debate has no definite right or wrong answer, just what is right or wrong to the individual. So, I’m going to st…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 06:43 AM
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If it happens you dont get the right to murder a human life out of inconvenience. It’s not that simple. “Inconvenience” is a loaded word with faulty connotations. Realistically, considering the work that goes into raising a child, even a wanted one is inconvenient. Some of the reasons for not wanting to let a pregnancy continue; whatever framework they’d want to raise the child in was not in place (financially, mentally, relationship status, schooling, etc.), existing dependents, the woman has c…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 05:43 AM
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Haha nah. I am a lurker and like to read the comment drama here and occasionally chime in. It really is depressing eye opening to see how some people think!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 03:35 AM
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In this sub you find subset of men who already have a chip on their shoulder about women anyways. Trying to talk about moving towards equality or having logical expectations/conversations is going to be an uphill battle from people with that mindset. Not all of the guys here are like that though, but I’d wager most are. The point of this sub is to debate, and you’re probably going to be passionate enough about your stance to want to do that here in your downtime. Always consider the source befor…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 10:59 PM
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That's what I am thinking. If someone jumps to this conclusion about something as banal as a statement of preference to travel... maybe they shouldn't be dating. To get so worked up over it and declaring it a "brag" versus just stating facts about themselves in order to attract a like minded partner on a dating website. Jeeze.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 08:20 PM
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Just like when I see this on dude’s profiles, I take this as an indicator that traveling is important to them. It helps to figure out suitability, that’s all. I don’t really look into it more than that and assume that they are male escorts, lol. How absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 06:36 PM
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Nah. The two things have no connection in my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 08:07 AM
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Haha, I know. Like I said, they're irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 07:14 PM
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That's fine for them. And I am sure it is too for those specific guys that like to approach women like that. They know to invest appropriately for that demo (not a lot). It's usually pretty easy to tell by the quality/effort of a profile/convo. That's a risk they are willing to take apparently. Who are we to judge if it doesn't affect us? I get that people approach dating apps differently, that's to be expected with the breadth of differences in humanity. Personally, I go into it knowing that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 06:04 PM
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I can only speak for myself and recognize others operate differently. All my social media is private. I know every human I am friends with there. So, no, I don’t personally use my social media for potential dates. That’s what my dating apps are for. The implication is there, unlike on private social media, that we are both open to being approached. Then again, I think if someone has an open social media presence then they are open to being approached (respectfully) for various purposes. And, des…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 04:34 PM
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So maybe a select few top women… give all women a bad name? No. It gives the women that engage in this activity a bad name (rightly so). If someone cannot differentiate between the two it’s on them. Women (and men) are not a hive mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 12:46 AM
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No. I can pay my own way and never assume that the other person will. We are both adults there by our own volition, and can take care of ourselves accordingly because of it. Gender roles were archaic to begin with and are outdated these days anyways. And even if this article is to be believed, 1/3 (have done it, not necessarily engage regularly) seems like a flimsy number to build a lifestyle upon. Not to mention coloring a whole gender with. I’d rather take some personal accountability and chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 12:35 AM
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A girl who would have sex with someone within two minutes is not relationship material. Then neither is the dude she bangs. Where’s the problem here?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 01:03 PM
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I can only speak for myself. So, nope. LTRs and STRs are two different things. There is no need to compare if they are serving different needs. It is neither here nor there. Personally, I think the issue with a lot of people is that everyone is not up front with their goals and mislead the other to keep engaging, causing the other to feel used. Not knowing what you want is okay too, but let the other person know that versus telling them what you think they want to hear. Give them the opportunity…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 07:09 PM
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Glad this isn’t the world I live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 04:00 AM
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Let me preface by saying that I don’t date casually, but I can logically recognize different thresholds need to be met depending on the role the person fulfills in your life. Meaning that you would fuck the casual dude sooner or what? No. More like I wouldn’t care about his religious preferences, if he had kids or not, his opinion on abortion, if he’s a Trumper, etc., fundamental hot ticket items like that. Dealbreakers don’t matter if you’re not dating in reference to the future. To me casual d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 07:02 AM
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Yep. Just makes sense. Why treat and expect the same from people who fulfill different uses? I’d be up front with it too and transparent if asked. No reason to hide if I am not doing anything wrong. I’d have different standards for a person I am casually dating/FWB vs someone that I’d like to grow old with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 05:42 AM
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As long as both parties are consenting adults making a willing decision to participate and no power imbalance issues at play, I have no issues with people using physical attraction to get what they want. Part of that “consenting” means realizing that at any point the person can stop or change their mind and that saying yes to one thing doesn’t mean saying yes to another thing down the line. Along with that comes owning your personal actions and decisions and not giving a flying fuck about what o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 04:14 PM
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Agreed. Fuck archaic societal standards shaped by patriarchy. If you want to chat someone up and no there’s reason to think you will make them uncomfortable doing so, go for it. The world will be a better places once issues like this that were once gender based become gender irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 03:05 PM
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Cool beans.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 01:40 AM
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Gotcha. Why does is matter though? Why nature over logic? Seems regressive to me and dismissive of mankind’s progression as a species.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 01:18 AM
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And also there’s a difference between legal rights and human rights. A legal system is not needed to tell people what their inherent rights are as a human. A legal system just enforces it when shitty people can’t get on board.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 12:57 AM
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There’s no logic to argue against. Which is then reinforced by your reply. I refuse to engage with a man that acts like a child. Especially online.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 11:43 PM
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‘Kay.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 10:37 PM
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Your opinion has been noted.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 10:08 PM
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I am not tracking the relevance to my original comment. Unless you’re endorsing these kind of actions? Are you saying because something shitty happened in the past it’s okay to perpetuate it and not seek a better way of being?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 10:03 PM
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Thanks for providing these examples of violations of basic human rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 09:36 PM
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That’s an atrocious mindset and very revealing of the holder’s misogyny. Everyone has a right to exist in peace as long as they don’t infringe on that same right of others. To think society would benefit from the possible violation of half the population is disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 09:08 PM
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I do for sure, and same to you. That's why I advocate owning your choices and not hiding them from the start. Hiding them means that you are ashamed of them, and there is nothing to be ashamed about exploring your sexuality in a safe way at any adult age. It'll weed out the relationship Luddites that think that having “wild era” that was “all about fun” is an indicator of anything other than being young and not needing to worry about the future as much. If you survive that without any life long …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 06:16 PM
1

They are at their base level. Of course there are purely biological traits such as men generally being stronger physically and only women being able to gestate and give birth. There’s no denying those biological facts. Then there are societal traits that have been passed down for centuries that color men and women as “opposites.” How to express your sexuality is purely a societal one. Men and women have the same capability to be free with their sexuality and to reign it in as they please. How is…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 07:39 PM
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I pity anything that comes from the loins of someone with such caveman-like views on men and women. To willingly ignore the fact that everyone is an individual with unique drives and psychology is beyond me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 05:40 PM
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The hypocrisy here is astounding.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 04:49 PM
2

Both are just as likely to cheat/not cheat. It depends on the unique connection and personalities of the two individuals involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 05:08 PM
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“High Value” is a subjective term, so I don’t understand how any absolutes can be determined at all here. So this is partially true for those that think a “high value man” is one that values mental connection over physical.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 01:33 PM
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Cheater’s gonna cheat. Why does gender matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 10:14 AM
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Finally some common sense in this thread. It goes for both sides. Improve yourself for yourself. Positive self esteem goes a long way in attracting people, just as negative goes in repelling people. Not to mention rejection stings less when you’re confident in what you can offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 05:37 PM
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Yeah, but there's a difference between comparing them and being resentful about the differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 10:47 PM
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Nah. Both genders have it equally hard/easy in different ways. This idea that it’s some kind of misery competition is ridiculous. TRP just needed to make up the facade to bolster their mindless arguments. Same for Incels and MGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 04:46 PM
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If they don’t match your effort (whether it be high or low) they’re a waste of time. Block and be done. Just don’t be a hypocrite and be honest with yourself about your level of effort. You can always send a text explaining your side and wish them well. No use in telling them they’re blocked if you won’t respond anyways. They’ll never know the difference. That would be petty. IMHO, not blocking them so they can come back around for an ego boost is super cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 07:02 AM
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I care about my future partner being able to handle their shit responsibly and maturely as to not be a burden to anyone else. And I hold myself to that same standard. N count is not a factor as it’s a bogus indicator. I don’t care about what they did before we met. That’s their business and molded them into the person they are today. If they are clean and loyal to me, that’s all I care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 05:11 PM
1

Why don’t we abolish the idea of a life script altogether and let people’s unique drives/goals guide their actions instead? Change has to start somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 06:38 PM
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I didn't misinterpret. You're making a lot of assumptions about people that have absolutely nothing to do with how you live your life. But you do you man.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 01:19 AM
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I will. I'll get married eventually, just waiting for a good match. Not lonely in the interim though. I was more objecting to your blanket statement that it's sad universally. It would be sad for you, because you want that for yourself. But there are people out there that don't have that same drive and they'd be just fine single in their old age. When I see someone that declares they don't want to be married, I think two things: 1) they are with someone, just not married, and 2) they are happily…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 12:56 AM
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I guess we will just have to wait and see then.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 11:44 PM
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Agreed. This is only going to satisfy those that are truly, deep down okay with simulated relationship and sex. Anyone who desires a real human connection will still sift through humans to find it. And possibly utilize a sex bot in the meantime while on that search. And as far as the effects it will have on the genders in society, I don’t think it will have much of one. If everyone just stopped giving a fuck about people they are not interested in attracting, and only concern themselves with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 08:39 PM
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I can’t tell if you’re trying to be funny or not, but I’ll answer anyways. I’m not afraid of being alone now. Why would that change when I am older? Even when I’m not dating someone, I’m not alone. That’s just not how I look at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 04:04 PM
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No prob, bruh.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 07:45 AM
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To you. Rest assured it’s the complete opposite to the person that willingly chooses it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 06:36 AM
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If finding and marrying a partner was a vital part of my life plan, then definitely. If I didn’t, it would mean I didn’t trust my own gut in vetting my future spouse. I won’t marry someone who isn’t my equal regardless of gender. I wouldn’t risk my happiness by not committing to an ideal partner on the weak arguments I see here by TRP and MGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 04:46 AM
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I guess it’s better to be a self-aware terrible person than an oblivious one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 03:08 AM
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You say that like it’s a bad thing. Both genders should be fighting back against outdated social expectations. If less men feel the pressure to make the first move, it will force the women that are still stuck in traditional gender roles to step up to the plate if they’re going to get anywhere with those men. At the same time, traditional man will realize that the old burdens for them are optional. And for both sides that prefer to be more traditional, that will be a conscious decision for them,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 02:52 AM
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Change has to start somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 02:09 PM
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You do you man. With an outlook on a whole gender like that, I assume the feeling’s mutual.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 05:47 AM
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Not crazy at all! Who approaches who shouldn’t even be a thing people get hung up on these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 05:15 AM
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Why would you approach someone IRL for anything but a ONS? It has nothing to do with their worth, just the tingles they give you down below. You’re starting the encounter completely based off looks, why does it need to gain any more substance? Not saying it doesn’t happen. Just that odds are slim.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 03:30 AM
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Why would anybody approach IRL if you can just meet people online instead? Male or female. You can vet people so much better online versus going off the tinglies in your nethers from seeing them in real life. Of course I am assuming this is a cold call and there is no existing connection between the two people otherwise. Please be aware this is an extremely biased view from an introvert.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 03:10 AM
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TRP as a whole is a failure in concept. Instead of trying to make a change towards better equality for both genders when it comes to society’s outdated expectations and gender roles (like Feminism does), they choose to feed into the same broken standards they’re so irked by. Change has to come at some point, why not try to be part of it? Men and women are held up to outdated societal expectations for the most part, causing people to “come up short“ in their warped estimations. At the core of our…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 10:16 PM
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Chivalry is alive and well with those that want/desire it. It's more about being suitable for each other, not finding some oversimplified and incorrect bandaid for a complete gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 02:28 AM
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For sure I can admit strides are being made and give credit where it’s due, but there’s still room for improvement. There’s a nuance to “rights” as in it goes beyond legal and into societal gender stereotypes. But there’s no point in arguing on some issues because both sides won’t be swayed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 11:24 PM
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No idea if any of that’s true as I don’t associate with radical feminists. Just regular ones. And I am one. Base feminism simply wants equal rights for all people. I can only speak for myself and say that I am a proponent of bodily autonomy and think that an already existing life has more of a say in it’s own future then a clump of cells that has the potential to be a human someday.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 11:09 PM
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What you fail to realize is that your opinion on my genes, “the most precious and most fundamental possession as a biological organism,” matters exactly two shits to me. I don’t care what you do with your genes. Do what makes you happy. I am absolutely at peace with my personal (aka not forced on others) life decisions. I think if you were too you wouldn’t be spouting off your personal opinions as if they were some kind of universal truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 04:19 PM
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And the relevance of that question is…? Humans are unique and have different life priorities and drives. Gestating and being responsible for a kid ain’t one of mine. Poor ROI in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 03:39 PM
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I never got how being pregnant makes someone special. It happens everyday without prophylactic intervention.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 07:11 AM
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It says a lot about someone when they can’t tell the difference between harassment and consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 03:41 AM
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How chivalrous trying to bring the curtsy back.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 04:23 PM
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In that sense the most important thing is frank self awareness of where a person stands in the hierarchy. I agree with you there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 01:23 AM
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Because then they'd know the root of their poor results. It's up to them if they want to change or not of course, but they're asking for something in a partner that they can't supply themselves. They are more than welcome to adopt unrealistic expectations, but need to realize with that comes a smaller pool of viable people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 12:20 AM
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Agreed, with one caveat. We don’t owe anything to anyone in optional relationships -except to ourselves. We need to be honest about our internal beliefs and own them. This works best when people that are being unrealistic in their expectations fess up to it and recognize the part they play in their level of success (whether they intend to change or not). This also involves admitting when one is being hypocritical in their preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 06:44 PM
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Let me show you how it’s done by a level headed person. I know what I am looking for in a person (friend, lover, any optional relationship) that I would like to incorporate into my life because of my “checklist” (aka standards and natural preferences - we should all have them). You meet none of those qualities from what I can tell by your comments here. Therefore, your option matters exactly two shits. This is how you should treat the women you’re describing in your post. They are not what you w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 05:20 PM
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This troll gets irked that anyone’s happy. Glad you found someone you enjoy!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 05:01 PM
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To be so offended by someone being sure of what they want in a partner, and holding themselves up to the same standards, and meeting someone suitable. Wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 05:00 PM
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These blanket statement arguments are so pointless. To not take into account that each person is an individual with their own unique merits, faults, and drives just makes some people look ignorant. Both genders are not hive minds. I just hope the OP is honest about his views on women with women so they know who they’re working with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 12:11 PM
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Only the women I personally care about. And even then I’ll hear them out (as I’ve incorporated them into my life because they matter to me as people), but I’m ultimately making up my own mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:36 PM
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I think this mostly applies to highly religious or guys that feel unsuccessful with women. It’s same seeking same. The highly religious hold themselves to a standard, and want a partner that thinks the same. The unsuccessful didn’t get sex to the amount they thought they deserved in their heyday, and are insecure when confronted with women who didn’t have that same issue. Either way, it’s all their personal problem to work through. The women who live their lives freely with autonomy don’t really…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 04:10 PM
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There's too much to pull from, but basically the fact that they think feminism is toxic, men are "oppressed", and "emasculation" is ruining society. TRP sees the increase in women's sexual agency is a threat, rathan than an opportunity to come together as equals more than we have even been able to before. This fact is progress, and TRP is scared.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 10:41 PM
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TRP is all about men knowing their own value and making steps to increase it. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with someone recognizing their own value and working to increase or maintain it. Where TRP falters is that they do this to the detriment of one whole gender, versus seeking that equality on both sides without tearing the other down. This is completely possible, but the TRP seems to think the only way do it to do this is to paint women in a false and unflattering light, to make it e…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 10:04 PM
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Ding ding ding! We got a correct answer here. It's a one sided problem, being touted as the opposite side's. The people in question are not confident in what they bring to the table, so they have to lessen their chance of comparison to better their odds (in their minds only). It's pretty sad really. Unless they (the people that think like this) realize that both genders do not operate under one hive mind and are unique cases with their own pros/cons, they're not going to find a worthwhile connec…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 07:55 PM
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Must suck (for you) to live in the world (you imagine for yourself). But you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 12:13 PM
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Some women operate like that. Others don’t. Filter to pair up with the woman that operates the way you prefer. That’s the beginning and end of this argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 10:25 PM
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You’re right. I’m a dumbass and can’t read 🤣 I deleted my comments that were incorrect. I’ll add that these are not gender specific terms, but just a way to describe a mis-match in social class. But I can see how there are definite trends in our current society that would make one think they are gender specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 08:28 AM
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Correct, it is completely acceptable to desire a partner who is your equal in some aspects. And it’s up to each person to determine what those are and filter accordingly. Also, it’s not hypergamy if they are equals. It’s only hypergamy if they are aiming higher than their social class.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 05:29 PM
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Exactly. This is just dating in it’s truest form; date until you find a good match and a connection with someone that’s worthwhile. If people want to self categorize themselves to feel better about past interactions, let them. It’s all in their heads anyway and they are the only ones that care about it. The rest of the world keeps functioning with or without their projected thought systems.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 04:51 PM
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A lot of men are too sexual too soon. It’s a welcome thing after a rapport has been established. But right after matching and before we’ve even met in real life? No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 08:39 AM
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Lulz. The Spreadsheet gods never lie!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 03:06 PM
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Message him first on a dating app.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 09:42 AM
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Yes. There’s multiple people out there for everyone depending on the standards you set for yourself. The more rigid, the less there are, the more lax, the more there are. You just have to know yourself well to be able to make that call.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/20 07:23 PM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 09:51 AM
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Even if I do put in the effort to say something interesting or even just casually respectful, the woman always plays this "waiting" game as to not reply too quickly, because they don't want to look desperate. And sometimes they even go cold and make you wait overnight/a day or two to "check" that you still value them enough... yet not too desperate to pester them incessantly until they reply, because that would be a turn off. Is it like a control/status thing? I don’t know as I don’t do this. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 03:30 PM
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raises glass back Thank you for the kind words. I try to be fair while maintaining my personal standards. It’s worked out so far with my recent partner. Regarding knowing myself well, I have to make some use of the fact that I tend to analyze everything to the nth degree, haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 09:05 AM
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Meh, it is what it is. Dating doesn’t take up too much of my free time and I don’t get invested quickly, so I am never really bothered by bad chatters or fruitless first dates. Got to play the game to get results. I’m in California.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 07:51 AM
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There is. Online I avoid guys that don’t align on my dealbreakers (Childfree, spirituality, distance, self-sufficiency, dating with potential for long term). I have them in my profile so it’s not like it’s a surprise. No lazy/sparse profiles with bad/few/no images. Give me enough to chat about and show you’ve put some thought into who you want to attract. Can’t keep up a decent back and forth convo. The frequency isn’t all that important if effort is shown. Being sexual before we’ve even met and…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 06:32 AM
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At what stage? Via online dating or after an in person meetup?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:14 AM
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I remember reading her “Self-Made Man”). It was eye opening. There are struggles and benefits on both sides of biology for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 07:41 PM
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It would super suck. I don’t think anyone denies that. Facts are facts. But I would also be aware of how I (and my former spouse) structured our life to result this way. I don’t want kids, but I understand having to maintain them after the dissolution of a marriage. It’s an inherent risk of marriage and spawning. I believe the Court’s intent is fair and impartial, and they do the best they can with the evidence brought forth. Even though, people need to plan logically (for a worst case scenario)…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 04:01 PM
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Can confirm. I am self aware enough to realize that I won’t be a match with someone who doesn’t value this “sanctuary” mentality. Therefore, I have no interest in attracting a (male) THOT anyways. It’s a wash.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 04:36 PM
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Change “love” to “mental intimacy” and I’m on board with this statement. I don’t love everyone I have sex with, but I have to have more than just physical attraction before I am driven to jump their bones. I say this acknowledging everyone is different in their comfort levels before engaging in the beast with two backs.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 09:19 PM
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I personally give men more credit than that simple way of thinking. Those that adopt that way of thinking are still sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 05:14 PM
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So you’re saying that a desperate dude will think a chick is loose for sleeping with him early on (this is a two party act by the way, hypocrite much?), but still get in a relationship with her because he’s that desperate? All the while she’s assuming there’s a mutual respect there to build a relationship off of, or else she wouldn’t have agreed to be in a relationship anyways. That’s so sad. There’s no reasonable future there if that’s his view of his partner. People like that need to grow a ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 04:40 PM
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Exactly this. It goes both ways too. Have sex as often as you want to (with a willing partner) and own it. If they end up judging you for it, they become irrelevant. Why would anyone want to pair up with a hypocrite and deal with that voluntary inequality?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 04:25 PM
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This is not a gendered thing, it’s a personality thing. Some people like to be chased, and others like to do the chasing. And sometimes, both parties are mature enough to simply converse like adults and get it out on the table. This chase/chaser aspect is just one version of courting. No worse or better than another, just more suitable or not to certain personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 06:57 AM
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One thing I CAN agree with is that around 35, quite a bit of women tend to "oldify" their looks. Either they go up in weight, or they cut their hair short Karen style, and start to wear glasses five sizes too big. 35 seems to be the breakpoint where you either stay hot, or you suddenly go from looking like 34 to 50. Not really sure why. I don't necessarily call that the wall though, that's just not taking care of yourself/not caring. There is a whole rainbow of reasons why people put less effort…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 11:08 PM
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Yes… average.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 02:30 AM
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hashtag LudditeFail
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/19 08:52 AM
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Tomato tomahto. I always say social media is just a tool that you can use any way you want. It’s a reflection of the user with no agenda of its own. I appreciate how it connects me to people I wouldn’t otherwise connect with regularly. To each their own at the end of the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/19 06:14 AM
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I’d need more info before I could form an impression. It depends their reasoning. If they have some weird Luddite beliefs, that’s a big no from me. Who wants to deal with someone that’s afraid of technological and societal advancement? But if it’s a general disinterest, it doesn’t faze me one bit. 36, California.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/19 01:53 AM
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How very limiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 11:00 AM
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All dating apps are just introduction apps. Relationship, hook up, friends with benefits, whatever you want, it can be for that. It’s up to the user to filter to give them better odds of getting what they want out of it. They are just tools that each person uses to their own unique advantage (or disadvantage). And even then there’s no guarantee. But it’s also like that in real life too, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/19 06:42 AM
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Pay for what exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 05:07 AM
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I’m an equal opportunity gold digger as long as they are up front with it. It’s a conscious choice to engage or not at that point. You have to have personal accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 04:10 AM
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FIXED IT FOR YA! In all seriousness, you’re entitled to your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 03:48 AM
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would you say the same for women who tell men not to settle? Absolutely. Why would anyone pair up with a person if they consider it “settling”? That is just a recipe for resentment and disaster. That being said, I hope that their standards are realistic or they are never going to find anyone to meet them. Personally, I approach dating with a list of non-negotiables and then everything else. There is wiggle room on that “everything else” and I don’t consider it settling when we do not align on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 03:45 AM
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You don’t want a high n count partner, fine. Seek one out, but don’t be a hypocrite about it. You don’t give a flying fart what someone’s n count is? Go on and let your freak flag fly until you find someone you want to settle down with (or don’t). Good for you either way! But instead of simply acknowledging this is a personal preference regardless of gender, some men have to show their true misogynist colors and make it a male vs female issue. I guess these men need to find self respect somewher…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 02:50 AM
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Perhaps that's my presupposition, but that's not what I'm arguing in the post. I don't dispute that it can be a good time, only that its less healthier than masturbating to porn. It's only less healthy when approached recklessly. I'd agree with you if you were talking about a subset of casual sex versus lumping it as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 08:33 PM
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Your premise that casual sex is always a bad thing, as if it’s some universal truth, is incorrect. You’re welcome to your opinion on the matter and to seek out someone who feels the same, but this is a matter of personal perspective. It is your personal belief that transactional sex is a bad thing, but even in LTRs, sex can be transactional as well. How do you account for that? Each encounter is different because each person is different. There are precautions that can be taken to make casual re…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 06:59 PM
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Their only obligation to society is to not create more unwanted mouths to feed (if they end up using some kind of government assistance). Think of how bad it’ll be if abortion rights were taken away! On a human level, they are obliged to be efficient communicators with the other person involved. If both convey their intentions/STD status from the start and are in agreement as to how they’d handle unfortunate side effects (pregnancy/feelings), then this is a matter only concerning them. There is …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 04:35 PM
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Shoot, my bad. I misread. That’s what you would have said. If she didn’t ask, it’s all good!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 05:17 PM
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I’d say wishy washy is just as undesirable on both sides. Why wants someone that can’t form their own convictions?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 05:10 PM
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“staying as long as it works.” You were honest and communicative with your reply though, so this argument stands. Your wife could have noped out of there if she wanted more verbal confirmation at that point, but it worked for her too. Glad it worked out for you!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 04:59 PM
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This isn’t common sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 03:18 PM
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It doesn’t. Logically, dating is a numbers game so most relationships are supposed to run their course. If anyone has reasonable personalized standards, they’re gonna cycle through a few before they hit something lasting. It’s more about having the mental fortitude to not let talk like this wear someone down, because they have their convictions to bolster them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/19 10:28 AM
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These are healthy steps to take for anyone, not just MGTOW. Good for you.
/r/MGTOW220/11/19 02:50 AM
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Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/19 12:05 AM
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I feel like there’s a bit of self fulfilling prophesy going on here through. Why engage in something you obviously have hatred for? That animosity is going to come through at some point, and it’s very off-putting.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/19 11:53 PM
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👍
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/19 11:49 PM
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Not everyone only talks to one person at a time in the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/19 11:36 PM
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I can send privately.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/19 11:30 PM
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I use a thoughtful and concise copy and paste and it cuts through the usual BS really quick. I don’t know why I didn’t do it sooner! I basically send it to every dude that I mutual match with and take it from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/19 11:27 PM
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First off, liking doesn’t imply that you’re fuckable. It implies that you’re not not fuckable. Your further interactions will determine the rest. No wonder you’re so caught up on the first message issue if you think they’ve already made that decision in your mind. You’re probably wondering why they haven’t sent you nudes yet 😂 For reals, this is really a lazy online dater problem and not a gender problem. Both genders with the standard of “better than minimal effort” are turned off by lazy opene…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/19 11:24 PM
1

Only if they both want to play that game. There’s various approaches to dating and no “have to’s”. To each their own. It’s more about people having their own internal standards and being selective with who they choose to spend their free time with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/19 04:27 PM
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💯
/r/MGTOW208/11/19 09:39 PM
1

Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/19 02:33 PM
1

Where does this "should" come from? As a (mostly) hetero man, I have expectations that the woman I am spending time with act like a woman and the man I am spending time with to act like a man. That "should" comes from you having been conditioned by social norms and running with it versus questioning their true need/usefulness in the first place. You do you. Everyone is someone's cup of tea. Just be aware of where those influences come from besides of the ones caused by sexual dimorphism and biol…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 09:14 PM
1

Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 07:34 PM
2

Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 06:36 PM
2

Interesting. Can you share some of these studies?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 06:36 PM
1

Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 06:35 PM
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I agree with what you’re saying, and it goes along with what I’ve previously said. The effects of sexual dimorphism physiologically, and emotionally, are not being refuted here. My point is that both men and women are alike enough in that they are equally capable of refusing to abide by traditional gender roles in today’s society. There should be no expectations on how someone carries themselves in a relationship simply because of their gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 05:47 PM
7

It’s not a matter of believing or not. I have not been presented with evidence otherwise. But I can be swayed with logic. Give me some examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 05:18 PM
4

Yes. Mentally and emotionally, I believe men and women are the same, we are just socialized to either over express or muffle our natural inclinations. Sexual dimorphism is a fact. And certain life experiences and capabilities stem from that, so obviously those are not included.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 05:08 PM
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There’s the rub. Those men are not “acting like women”, they’re showing traits previously (and erroneously) mostly applied/allowed to women by society. An enlightened person won’t be swayed by that. Not including physical/biological features, there are truly no strict male or female traits. Just ones we are socialized to associate with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 04:44 PM
4

It’s not “high standards,” it’s your standards. Don’t overthink it and seek out what you want. The rest are irrelevant. Just as with any standard a potential date doesn’t meet 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/19 12:51 PM
1

Desperate people of both genders will lower their standards significantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 06:03 PM
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Apparently so. It’s a real knee slapper too! /s
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 05:32 AM
3

Lol. Good one bruh! It’s fist bump time!! 🤜🤛
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 02:50 PM
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This isn’t a gender issue. It’s best to demonstrate that you won’t put up with childish behavior from anyone. Male or female. You teach people how to treat you. People that complain about this need to take accountability for their part in optional relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 02:43 PM
2

My Childfree lifestyle. People who aren’t like-minded have some crazy assumptions about those that don’t want kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 07:21 AM
1

“(These) Women (I’ve Encountered) are Hypocrites when it comes to Rejection” Fixed your title 👍 Sorry you’ve been hurt BTW. Physical violence is never an appropriate response to rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 02:28 PM
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I date exclusively from online dating. I am clear in what I want out of the deal so I appreciate being able to vet people before meeting IRL. That being said, I am a female and I’d say I initiate most of my dates at this point. I don’t really look at the first meet up as a date, so with that mindset comes less anxiety about the whole process. I see it more as a “I want to see your vibe in person and see how it meshes with mine.” To me, a date implies romantic interest, and I can’t develop that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 07:05 AM
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Agreed. Tit for tat 😂 I’ll add that this kind of logic “They got it so why don’t I?” is incredibly toxic and ignores an individual’s autonomy. People change. People experiment. People don’t like things and never do them again. People like things and incorporate them into their routine. If someone’s been consistent then and now, there’s really no grounds to complain. Get out of there if it’s that important to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 03:51 PM
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If I did the whole reddit reward system I’d buy you a gold! This is a such a succinct summarization of the actual logic of this argument. Thank you for taking the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 06:58 PM
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I think we are all saying mostly the same thing. What you described: Some are super pragmatic, and because no person can exist that’s 100% the ideal mate, they will be settling in that sense. You choose the closest thing you can and run with it (if you even want to pair up). What I described: Others see it as only choosing the best fit from the group that they’ve had real relationships with, not some hypothetical person they’ve never met. So in essence, they are getting most best outcome of thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 09:26 PM
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Yikes. That’s a take. So they expect the woman to be settling too, I assume? Like a mutual settling or arrangement? I mean, I guess that could work if both people were aware of the facts and on board.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 07:39 PM
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You’re right, you’d didn’t say “perfect.” I’ve edited my comment to address that. Can you please explain one thing? How can a movie star that they’ve never even met in person be better? They’d be comparing a known entity to their idea of someone they’ve never met and most likely never will. I’m trying to track this train of thought. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 07:30 PM
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There’s a lot of nuance that goes into assessing “best fit.” It’s implied the pool is comprised of those that you’ve actually been around in a substantial and meaningful way. Therefore, nobody is “settling” if they are choosing the best from that group. The hyperbolic approach that “best fit” means “better fit” of all the people in the world is just silly. There’s absolutely no way someone could reasonably achieve that. Personally I give people more credit than to start with that narrow of a def…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 05:33 PM
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You are correct in that everything is relative and everything changes. That’s why I didn’t use either of those terms. “Perfect” implies no imperfections, while “best” implies a reasoned and realistic account within the dating pool they’ve been presented. It seems like this is mostly as issue of semantics.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 02:36 PM
10

Is this a serious question?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 11:31 AM
0

It’s a little of both. Everyone should “very carefully screen their partners” according to who they are now (because of their past).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 07:37 AM
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Male or female, nobody should want to be “settled for.” I feel bad for those that would accept that due to lack of self worth. If both you and your partner don’t think you’re the best fit for each other, why commit (long term) at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 06:24 AM
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Some couples have the kind of relationship where they rib each other like that on both sides and nobody takes it personally, but to do it bitterly like you say definitely seems overboard! I guess the silver lining is that you realized what is unacceptable to you in a hypothetical partner (same). I’ve seen plenty of men who are the same way too, so it’s good to stay away from immature and vicious people in general 👍
/r/MGTOW222/09/19 12:10 AM
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How was she shit testing? Like what did she do? If she’s as miserable as you say and he sticks around and accepts it, there’s nothing that can be done. Some people are happy to settle just to have a warm body. We also can’t know the intricacies of other people’s relationships.
/r/MGTOW221/09/19 08:02 PM
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You’re both right. Most people would have causal sex if the opportunity arose. The thresholds are just drastically different.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 07:41 PM
2

That's not the same as hot. There's alot of numbers between 1 and 10. Exactly. Love connection or lust? People seem to get those confused. Love connection. Lust won’t sustain a LTR. Personally, I wouldn’t worry about the people that are looking for hot. They’ll filter themselves out once the lusty phase is over anyways. Let’s just hope the other person is logical enough to realize there’s a numbers mis-match and temper their expectations. Not saying that’s the case 100% of the time, but they sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 02:09 PM
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“People put a high priority on looks” as in they want someone they’re attracted to. It doesn’t mean they have to find them so hot they want to rip their partner’s clothes off. This makes sense considering they want a LTR. Who would build a life with someone they have to force themselves to be intimate with due to non-attraction? Of course, there’s outliers like arrangements where people couple up for practical reasons versus a love connection. Too bad you can’t update your title to reflect what …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 01:44 PM
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Good. It’s connecting people who never would have been in each other’s circle before, making it so that we can have better matches than settling on someone we’d come across in our daily life like before. You can tell a lot from someone by how they chose to portray themselves via their profile. It lets you go into an interaction with more of a semblance of who you’re talking to than in the real world (where all you know is you find them attractive). I like to do my research first before engaging,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/19 07:32 AM
2

I’m sure that’s the case sometimes too. There’s a whole rainbow of circumstances possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 01:45 PM
2

If he truly is a good father willing to help contribute (with his presence and funding), then it’s because she’s a shitty person. It’s no different than the converse when it’s a deadbeat dad situation, it’s because he’s a shitty person. Shitty people do shitty things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 08:36 AM
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Some men look for partners in a predatory way, and some women enjoy that approach. Other men don’t and some women respond to that approach. It’s not about blanket statements, more so about making sure you’re barking up the right tree as to not overstep.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/19 02:26 PM
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Not sure about the point of this thought experiment. All it’ll show is that women vary greatly in what they want in a partner (just like men). Results: everybody’s different 😂 Edit with more of an explanation. Also, I am working under the assumption that this in the beginning stages of dating. To me, #1 reeks of love bombing. That honeymoon phase where you bypass red flags and ignore your rational mind for the thrill of someone new. I wouldn’t have much faith in a relationship that started out a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 10:35 PM
1

How?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/19 03:04 PM
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Exactly. The issue is then how one side calculates how the opposite side imagines their plight to their satisfaction. What would that take? How does it manifest? There really isn’t a way to convey that fully so it always seems like talking to a wall, when nobody’s mind is going to be changed anyways. I mean, that is debate after all. Two sides just as vehemently behind their own argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/19 02:25 PM
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I’d do it. Why not? It would just be for the story at that point. I’d only ask if it was a for sure yes, which means we would have already talked about it before that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/19 06:13 AM
3

🍎🥧🧛‍♂️🐍
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 08:17 PM
4

I agree with you in that specific, but still broad view, context. A preference is a preference no matter if the logic behind it is faulty or not. It is hypocritical of the male to expect the female to be less experienced than him because logically it does not compute. And it can be hypocritical of the female to expect the male to earn more if children are not on the table and she will not be saddled (most likely) with the burden of raising them. That temporary loss of income needs to be accounte…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 01:13 AM
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Please explain the equivocacy of this tangent before I can give it a thoughtful response. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 12:25 AM
4

Nice hyperbole. Clarify something for me: so you're saying all a person amounts to is how others interpret their past actions? What a scary world you live in, man. Pardon me for taking into account who they are now because of those actions and how they've worked through them to become someone better. I feel bad for those who value what others think to their personal detriment, versus their own internal worth. So, if someone lives wildly in their younger years, they have no ground to stand on in …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/19 10:35 PM
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I'm finding it really hard to muster up any sympathy for a person who is so bothered/focused by their current partner's dating history. Just because one side is hyper focused on it have a specific way they personally interpret those past activities, does not make it reality. And to have that illogical POV taint the current relationship is such a sad thing to happen. It shows a real lack of maturity on their part (my opinion only) and a complete difference in personal worth gauges. Which makes me…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/19 05:24 PM
1

Sounds like good communication/dating philosophy to me. It’s also how you filter out non-likeminded people. You dodged an incompatible bullet. Just like with any other dealbreaker.
/r/MGTOW223/07/19 02:05 PM
15

Regardless of the personality of the people involved, or the actions that led up to the refusal of sex, if two people are in a relationship they want to nurture and continue on with, there needs to be clear communication that hopefully leads to a resolution. Even if that resolution is just getting everyone’s point of view out there. Here it sounds like both parties shut down a little bit and were not willing to talk through the underlying issue (at the time). If I were you, I’d make a point to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 03:48 PM
1

Haha. Way to make it work 👍
/r/MGTOW216/07/19 02:15 PM
1

What are the logistics of 3 kids but 5 baby daddies? Thanks for confirming that Tinder and Bumble are trash 😂 That’s why I use neither.
/r/MGTOW216/07/19 05:12 AM
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Most def. To characterize a “modern relationship” as such reveals it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 06:10 PM
1

I am completely with you except for the not dating other people part 😂 And I use the same reasoning you do for my side. Don’t get too attached quickly, let exposure to people over time be the deciding factor. Just be transparent about it in case the other person is a “one at a time” type.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/19 04:13 PM
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It takes me a long time to warm up to someone, whether I’m dating multiple people or not. With that, I always assume that the other person is also dating and open to meeting new people until we clarify the relationship. I usually don’t bring it up unless they do since it’s not a thing to me. And I don’t consider that games (unless the two people have different expectations in that regard and one’s lying to the other). I am not clingy at all. In fact, I give a disclaimer once I give out my number…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/19 04:07 PM
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Your logic and the way you interpret the facts make sense coming from your point of view. You’re not a relationship person, so the factors of a relationship will be skewed in non complimentary ways. I get it. And the same items will be skewed the opposite by someone who is a LTR relationship person. There is no right or wrong here and every person’s viewpoint is valid. Let’s just hope people don’t commit to one or the other without truly knowing themselves first. That’s always sad to witness.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 05:53 PM
1

Okay. Good to know about one specific dude's experiences, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/19 07:06 PM
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The “game” is simply one tactic certain males and females use in dating. Just like you, there are women that prefer straightforward communication instead. Different people operate different ways, you just need to figure out a process to identify the ones that operate like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/19 02:38 PM
1

Same here. I don’t even go on a date unless they’re Childfree too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/19 02:31 AM
1

You sound like a real treat!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 01:49 AM
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👍
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 09:02 AM
2

The fact that you see it as “feminizing men” is the issue. There should not be a distinction between completely normal actions that further divide the genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 08:37 AM
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Correct. And your line of thought is a misdirection that I won’t indulge. The original sentiment is that there should not be stereotypical male and female traits so that neither gender is held accountable for harmful stereotypes. For example, being in touch and talking about your feelings is currently a “female” trait. It should not be as that’s a healthy habit for any gender, but it’s more discouraged in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 08:23 AM
1

Okay bud 👍 We have a core difference of opinion so there’s no use in engaging further.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 08:05 AM
2

The illogical reinforcement of “masculine” and “feminine” traits and being mocked when exhibiting ones that are “feminine.”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 07:02 AM
1

This is a great thought experiment. It’s sad that this kind of contract has to be formalized as it’s how it should go down anyways before having sex with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 03:37 AM
2

I’m in agreement. This is sound reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/19 06:56 PM
3

Thanks for explaining. I think waiting on both would be ideal and are totally acceptable. It depends on which situation the sperm and egg donors find themselves in on which route they take. For this thought experiment, the couple we’re taking about are in the first one, so that’s what I responded to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/19 05:54 PM
2

My comment is working under the specific assumptions set forth in the original (unfortunately now deleted) post, that both the parties know about it within the 3 months or less current timeframe for termination. So, to me, there is no need to account for each state’s specific stance on the issue in this conceptual debate at this time. For the record, I am pro-choice. These new laws are dangerous and archaic and take away an already existing human’s bodily autonomy for a potential one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/19 05:24 PM
2

Care to elaborate? I’m not grasping where you’re going with this comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/19 05:13 PM
1

You summed this whole situation up perfectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/19 02:53 PM
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I don’t think the two situations are equivalent. In one there’s a potential kid and in the other there’s an actual kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/19 08:46 AM
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Pro-Choice and this all seems logical to me. I feel like more pregnancies would not come to term if the possibility of child support is off the table. Bringing a kid into this world is no small thing. Why wouldn’t you wait until it can be born into a stable and healthy relationship between two people instead of a fractured one?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/19 08:43 AM
1

Why would someone who holds exclusive dating at such high value even make it to date 1 without verifying this other person works the same way? How is this any different than verifying a dealbreaker before meeting up with someone? The person in the OP’s example needs to recognize their role in the situation. People can’t bitch about how the world works if they’re not going to set their own standards to help them meet like minded people. Rant over 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 11:03 PM
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I’m struggling to get the point of this post as well. I feel like all it is saying is that people that are selective choose what works for them best at the time. Which to me, regardless of gender, is a given.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 03:01 AM
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Just making sure. I don’t consider “flattering” to be a fake photo, so was ascertaining where your POV was coming from. I have all flattering photos on my profiles, but none are so edited that they don’t look like me . Makes more sense now 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 08:22 PM
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OP, by “flattering” in your original post, do you mean misleading or not true to life? Everyone should just use nice, whole body encompassing, non-heavily edited pictures on dating apps. You’re just setting yourself up for rejection (rightfully so) if you’re advertising one thing and show up another.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 07:40 PM
1

Everyone’s entitled to seek out what they want, but this profile only lists what she doesn’t want and photos. That not gonna lead to a long term relationship 😂 Question: so if she’s a THOT, what is the equivalent of a guy that does this (someone that puts only what they don’t want and rely on photos to attract dates)?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/05/19 02:33 PM
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I know! I mean, at least she’s honest to scare away those that don’t want to deal with that 🤷‍♀️ My opinion though, when someone complains about their lack of messages on their profile, male or female, it’s an instant turn off. It just makes them look sad and like they’re throwing a pity party for themselves when they should be selling themselves.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/05/19 04:52 AM
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How are you “undecided/open” if you have kids? That ship’s sailed lady.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/05/19 06:01 AM
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