pinealpresence Archive

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1	What is the appeal of casual sex for women? Well said, this is one of the best explanations I've come across. Also in the same boat.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/24 11:40 PM
1	Men need to stop being so thirsty. There are many other things men can provide to a relationship besides money, just as there are many things a woman can provide besides just sex. Men are not banks and women are not sex objects. I agree, but people have priorities. I've found that if the physical attraction is there, the man's character doesn't really matter -- he'll still be very successful with women. I haven't let that change my character much -- just become a little less inclined to be outwardly "nice" despite that being genu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/24 11:17 PM
0	What Makes You a Top 1% Woman for a Top 1% Man? Should include additional components of looks (ie facial attractiveness, size, fitness) in addition to height and income. To get a more complete answer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/24 03:13 PM
1	If you are currently unsatisfied with your romantic/relationship prospect, what is your next play for 2024? Figure out how to keep hope alive despite the loneliness, while self improving and maintaining standards.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/01/24 11:40 PM
1	Do men feel "threatened" when a more attractive male enters the room? For myself, not anymore. All throughout high school and college there was almost always someone smarter, more physically attractive, more athletic around me. Whether I'm in class, hanging with friends, playing pick up ball. Constantly surrounded by guys who had more success. And it helped motivate me to become better. The rare times I was the "attractive one", the one that got the flirty compliments from girls (while putting in bare minimum effort myself), I felt like I had superpowers -- powers…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/12/23 01:58 AM
0	What if a man is celibate for 15 years in order to work till 35, and wants to be with a woman 10-15 years younger ? Why does that disturb you though? I'm just genuinely trying to understand. As someone who's waiting for that "supposed ideal person", part of the logic behind waiting is not seeing the benefit to having a casual fling with someone I don't care for. Would rather have a real connection and commitment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/23 07:34 PM
0	What if a man is celibate for 15 years in order to work till 35, and wants to be with a woman 10-15 years younger ? I'd think it'd be creepy if some dude abstained from normal sexual relations or even masturbation for 15 years all for me, I understand why you'd feel pressure, but why do you think that's creepy?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/23 03:03 AM
1	Would you off yourself if you was 27 yo 6'5 avg face virgin with mental issues so called mentalcel? No	/r/AllPillDebate	31/10/23 05:31 PM
–	The podcasters like whatever podcast or fresh and fit are not helpful otherwise that'd be in relationships themselves I've found their content useful for learning new ways to self improve.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/23 07:50 PM
1	High libido is a curse for unattractive people Not worth the loss of testosterone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/23 05:46 PM
1	Sub 8/10 non-thugmaxxed black men have it very hard in the United States. I see tons of black guys that don't look especially "tough" or well put together pulling decent looking white women. Do you think they may just stand out to you more, so it seems like there's "tons"? I haven't had any success yet, but curious to read about others' experiences.	/r/AllPillDebate	17/10/23 01:05 AM
2	CMV : why can’t it be true that far less men are objectively attractive than women? Hm, I typically see the opposite.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/23 08:23 PM
2	Are men more willing to be in a relationship with a woman who is not attracted to them? That's a little too defeatist. I empathize with those who have still have a hard time with dating after self improving, those who feel like withdrawing completely. But nerfing your own sex drive is a little too hopeless. Transmute that energy into something useful, or at least find a non malicious way to expend it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/23 09:58 PM
2	Are men more willing to be in a relationship with a woman who is not attracted to them? This sounds unserious.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/23 08:20 PM
2	Are men more willing to be in a relationship with a woman who is not attracted to them? Don't men feel unwanted and humiliated by being with a woman who is not attracted to them and is only using them as a walking wallet? Using your own analysis of the situation, there's nothing they can do to become more physically attractive. So the options for them would be to be alone, or to use money/status to compensate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/23 07:31 PM
11	CMV: In order to be deemed “likable” someone else has to like you I'd say they're successful because they have something of high value (looks), which is validated by others around them, which fuels their confidence.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 07:55 PM
1	Most college aged women do not want 30+ year old men They could find both groups attractive and still prefer younger. If they've been rejected their whole lives from people their age and only now after a decade or two are getting looks b/c options 1,2, etc are taken, I understand why that wouldn't be ideal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 04:21 PM
3	Most college aged women do not want 30+ year old men I think that's a little defeatist -- if they're going to be settled for either way, I understand why they'd rather at least be with someone they find more attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/23 07:58 PM
9	Most college aged women do not want 30+ year old men Yes. And I think there's an interesting cross section here where some (far from all) of these men start believing they won't find love, continue living their lives and end up building "value" over time, become more attractive in the process, then start engaging in casual relationships. They're in it just for the sex because they don't believe there's anything else to be in it for. And they end up breaking some hearts in the process -- and those one night stands think all men are like this and th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 05:12 PM
28	Most college aged women do not want 30+ year old men I'm not saying that 20 year old women are never attracted to 30+ year old men, but it's the exception, not the rule. I don't disagree with any of this, but for the guys in question, the likely alternative is to be alone for the rest of their lives. Self improve and become more attractive as a byproduct of it. Control what you can, try to increase your chances especially if it takes reasonable effort. Or accept a life without romantic love. There's not much guarantee the self improvement will be …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 04:37 PM
7	If men are so desperate for sex and a relationship, it makes no sense that half of them never ask women out They could be getting rejection signals before they make an official "approach". I.e. guy sends follow request to girl in his class, she doesn't respond despite being active, he decides to not ask her out	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/23 05:47 PM
4	I don't think average men get laid that much actually yet he is in a relationship Not a relationship, just casual.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/23 12:05 PM
4	Men who are so worried about a woman not having the same standards for every man are hypocrites I'm going to push back on some things here, but I appreciate the response. Pete Davidson is the perfect celebrity example I don't think this example is effective. The framing of Pete as some medium ugly guy who wows women with his ten inch personality is disingenuous in that he's still one of a very fraction of men with his money and status of a certain age. Yes, women typically date up or same level regarding wealth -- there just aren't many men who have more money than Ariana Grande, Kim K, et…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 12:39 AM
1	Men who are so worried about a woman not having the same standards for every man are hypocrites That is not true at all; hence, why women r divorcing and increasingly becoming noncommittal. Interesting. This suggests that women are divorcing because they don't feel loved by the men, rather than wanting to be with a man who is more physically attractive, more resourceful, etc. I assume the latter is the more common case. Men pine after and obsess over women they claim to hate hookup guy unintentionally puts n a lot of effort to keep hookup girl incentivised Is it the character of the men in…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/23 08:16 PM
2	Why are women immediately turned off by guys who lack experience? Keep hope alive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/23 08:29 AM
5	Why are women immediately turned off by guys who lack experience? Similar boat. It's tough but I can't lose all hope.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 11:36 PM
6	45% of men age 18-25 have never approached a woman in person After going through nothing but rejections (including getting ghosted, seeing interest not reciprocated) they might not see the value anymore in asking someone out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 04:18 PM
1	For redpilled men, what does consent mean to you? What does consent look like? Verbal yes. Is drinking and wearing a short dress consent? Nope. What are your views on the concept of consent? I've had discussions about this where I'd argue that non verbal cues play a large role, and still got some pushback. I don't believe every single person asks for verbal consent or requires it -- for some people that could even be a turn off. Despite that, to be extra extra safe, I'd still ask for verbal consent before even trying anything. Regardless of any…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 06:31 PM
4	What does your “ideal” dating life look like? Committing to my ideal woman ASAP.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 01:30 PM
0	Have you ever seen a handsome and successful man struggling with his romantic/sexual relationships? And why? No	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/23 02:49 AM
2	What do guys do if they want virgin women but cannot get them? I'd say if they have no real reason or thought process behind caring about body count other than thinking they're entitled to a virgin, then yes. They could be more content by letting that go. But otherwise, if there's a rationale behind considering past sexual history and preferences (i.e. not being able to "measure up", pair bonding, differences in overall sexual compatibility), then I don't think it should be ignored. They'd only be deluding themselves.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 01:06 AM
3	What do guys do if they want virgin women but cannot get them? I don't think most guys mind.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 12:54 AM
6	What do guys do if they want virgin women but cannot get them? Ah, I think most might, eventually. Was mainly answering for myself. I haven't gotten to that point. "Settling" is interesting. I think with time circumstances change, especially in modern dating. Some guys who say they want a virgin would probably be ok with a woman they find somewhat attractive, as long as she wants him. And she may not want him now as she has a bunch of options, but maybe in 10 years, if/when she has less (and if he's leveled up -- or at least, hasn't cratered -- financially,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 10:25 PM
24	What do guys do if they want virgin women but cannot get them? Staying single (and celibate).	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 08:24 PM
–	For those that worry about being the “best she ever had”… Do you also worry that you’re not going to love your partner like the last guy did? Do you worry about being the best boyfriend to her as a whole? Do you have the same worry that she might be as emotionally unfulfilled as you might be assuming she is physically? For me, no. This is more in my control than the physical aspect.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 08:19 PM
1	Most men think they are more physically attractive than they are I don't think this is the norm, but I'll look into it more.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/23 03:44 PM
4	Most men think they are more physically attractive than they are Ok, I'll go with that. I think a guy like that with average status and average salary is absolutely struggling to date today.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/23 02:08 AM
11	Most men think they are more physically attractive than they are What is your idea of average? I think the general consensus of average has been heavily skewed upward, because a significant amount of conventionally unattractive men are basically invisible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/23 01:02 AM
–	If tinder existed 20 years ago ,most of us wouldn't exist today. I think that only a few men could accept it if they got told explicitel Right, I should have phrased differently. They don't realize it, or don't believe she can do better. And he could also be correct. There can exist a case where the woman's standards are so high, she can't get anyone she's attracted to, and similar for men (though on avg men's standards are much lower). I have a hard time accepting it. There are some tough nights. I just try to keep grinding and enjoy some life too. It would …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 10:13 PM
–	If tinder existed 20 years ago ,most of us wouldn't exist today. Btw I believe that most "undesirable" men can't really accept to stay single and if they won't end up being settled for, they'll choose to sleep forever rather than accept reality and go on How many men do you think actually fall into this category though? I agree with your point, but I think most of these guys are ok with being settled for (maybe out of ignorance, not realizing it).	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 09:23 PM
–	If tinder existed 20 years ago ,most of us wouldn't exist today. But those are two different groups, no? Easier for the men at the top, harder for the majority of men at "the bottom"	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/23 09:19 PM
2	Most men who are so worried about their gf past partners are projecting I'll push back on this a bit. He could give his best version and still not be the best she's had, due to things that are very difficult to change/control. That would be my concern at least.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/23 10:34 PM
12	What's the reason for why people need a 'hoe phase'? You want to be with the same person for 65 years? Yeah	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/23 09:16 PM
2	Men's complaints about the state of dating all come down to this one inconvenient truth... ...what? many men simply are not competitive on the sexual market Ok, fine. But what are they competing for. Women. But prefacing this with.. and it has nothing to do with women having more freedom, more education, better laid jobs or access to dating apps ... doesn't make sense. There's a dependency here. This is like saying: "The state of unemployment come down to this one inconvenient truth, and it has nothing to do with S&P 500 companies cutting costs or the advancement of automation and AI.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/23 09:24 PM
1	Women (most of the time) are REPULSED by inexperienced men. Hmm. I don't think it's self defeating, just acknowledging the gravity of the situation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/09/23 02:53 AM
2	How would you prefer to be rejected? Bluntly, no lies. Tell me she's not attracted to me if that's the reason.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/23 11:58 PM
4	Why don’t men just do what women do? Can’t be too lonely/bored/sad about the nights alone if your always busy working, participating in a sport/hobby/activity, enjoying media, spending quality time with your loved ones Last part is the big qualifier here. I go to plays, movies, walks, to fill the "void", but I do ask this mostly alone. Most of my friends are in other states, have other priorities. Having a romantic partner would provide someone who could provide that companionship more reliably.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/08/23 12:47 PM
0	How do red pillers explain the average guy being in a relationship? Isn't that whole idea instantly disproven by walking outside and seeing average people in relationships? I would say no. A simple counter argument to your point is that those men aren't with women who are truly satisfied. Hence why women initiate divorce at a much higher rate. An average guy can get into a relationship for a moment, sure, but then get left within weeks, months, however long it takes for the girl to accept that he's not enough for her. Also, I think the meaning of male "average"-…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/23 10:46 PM
2	Where do above average but not hot men fall in terms of dating? 100% agree	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/23 03:07 AM
3	Men should choose better women Why do you believe this?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/08/23 03:13 PM
5	Are single fathers attractive to women? Agreed. This is logic people could use to argue why body count matters (not saying it doesn't)	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/23 09:54 PM
1	Q4M: if your wife asked you to get a vasectomy, would you? That makes sense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 08:26 PM
7	Q4M: if your wife asked you to get a vasectomy, would you? In this hypothetical, sure. Again, I'm speaking as someone in their 20s who's never had a relationship or sex. For some (probably most) people sex will be dealbreaker worthy. For me, eh. If I have a woman I love, I don't care about my own sexual satisfaction as much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 12:48 AM
3	Q4M: if your wife asked you to get a vasectomy, would you? Yep	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/23 12:16 AM
6	Q4M: if your wife asked you to get a vasectomy, would you? In brief, general distrust of surgeries/pharma from negative experiences (death, fertility issues, etc) of family members and myself in the past. Not saying all of it is bad, just that I prefer more holistic approaches, and avoiding surgery altogether depending on the severity/scenario. I wouldn't want her to be on birth control either (if she was only doing so b/c she felt pressured). Albeit, maybe it's "easy for me to say" since I've never had to compromise on these things. Haven't been in a r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 10:13 PM
4	Q4M: if your wife asked you to get a vasectomy, would you? I wouldn't, but to be fair I don't think we'd be compatible enough to get married in the first place. I get why others would though. Not an unreasonable ask depending on values/priorities.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/23 09:51 PM
0	"just be skinny" doesn't work The "just be skinny" rhetoric exists to make men look good. Like they are not superficial and have low standards. This is false. Do you think men (in general) are only willing to commit to women they're attracted to?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/23 02:37 AM
–	Q4Men: If you’re not Chad, why should you be treated the same way as Chad? I'm providing another dimension to your initial point -- I don't believe most of these men are angry simply because they're not getting Chad treatment, but because society/media/people in their lives reinforce this idea that being nice and having good character is enough to get quality dates. When today, that's clearly not true. I'm not making a moral judgement on the standards themselves, just pointing out how dishonesty about them (again, this isn't only coming from women) is damaging.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/23 10:20 PM
–	Q4Men: If you’re not Chad, why should you be treated the same way as Chad? She won't take him even if he meets that artificial "minimum" is what I'm saying.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/23 10:03 PM
9	Q4Men: If you’re not Chad, why should you be treated the same way as Chad? The dishonesty is what's wrong. In some cases, Stacys/Beckys/whomevers are saying "you need to be charismatic, make six figures, be physically fit in order to have a chance" (for non Chads) -- and then after the guy levels up it's still "oops you did all that but I still don't like you b/c face, still not 6 feet, d still too small" While women don't say the last part verbally the repeated rejection/ghosting will speak loud enough. I think men should still aim to improve themselves. But the disho…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/23 09:12 PM
2	Men don’t have commitment issues any more than women but women tend to go for guys who have no reason to commit How does that make you feel about yourself? I typically separate how I how myself and how I'm viewed by women, although I understand there's some overlap. I.e. I know I do my best to be healthy and look good, and am at peace with that -- but I also know that doesn't mean the women I want will find me physically attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/23 04:33 PM
8	Men don’t have commitment issues any more than women but women tend to go for guys who have no reason to commit However, I feel that my lack of attractiveness prevents me from getting any attention Similar here but as a man. Haven't been on a date in 7 years (since prom). Do you know if the men you want are having success with other women? Just wondering as that could be a good indicator of if they're truly below average or not. Also, does religion play a factor in dating for you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/23 12:51 AM
4	Men who have sex with a lot of women are usually even more misogynistic than 'nice guys' 100% agree here. The counter argument that "being nice isn't enough" in regards to character fails to consider the conventionally attractive men who aren't necessarily dangerous, dark triad, "fun", intelligent, etc -- aren't anything but "nice". Those men can afford to be nothing but nice/"boring" and still date. And on the other hand not every guy struggling is a fake "nice guy" looking to emotionally manipulate women. Some of us are just deemed conventionally unattractive for things hard to co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/23 09:15 PM
3	I don’t understand the notion about men waiting until their thirties to be successful financially as well as at their “peak” and then date women in their upper teens or early twenties who are in their “peak” The first case is commitment, the second case is casual dating/sex. I don't believe he's saying to date to marry -- at least, not until the man has had over an abundance of sexual partners.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/23 12:00 AM
–	Nice Guys are really just lazy. It’s the way they act/talk, they alternate between radiating negative vibes and desperation when they’re around women though they think they’re being cool, masculine, alpha whatever. I'm positive but also like to avoid delusion. I'd say I'm far from "giving" desperation -- I've been told I'm not flirting enough or showing enough interest by different matches I tried getting to know over the past couple years. Neither worked out, but they were right -- I came off as non-chalant because I wasn't r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/23 06:52 PM
–	Nice Guys are really just lazy. The guys I see getting laid the most are the ones who are constantly breaking the rules. I'd argue whether or not they break the rules doesn't matter as they'd pull regardless. I couldn't think of anything that screams NICE GUY more than someone who spends all his life trying to become the perfect specimen of a man. I don't see the connection, but I'll think about this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/23 06:12 PM
1	Nice Guys are really just lazy. I want to highlight this part: "Further, nonsexual risk behaviors compound to produce sexual outcomes or greater sexual frequency in a population. For example, abstinence from alcohol explains as much as 30% of the variance in being sexless over the course of a year (South & Lei, 2021). Risk aversion is also reflected in dating-related approach behavior. In a recent survey, 53% of single men said that the fear of being called “creepy” reduced their likelihood of interacting with women. Consisten…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/23 11:52 AM
1	Nice Guys are really just lazy. A few software engineers, including myself.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/23 11:39 AM
1	Nice Guys are really just lazy. It's quicker to rack up volume but overall could be less effective than a cold approach, I guess. The way I see it: 42 swipes a week on Hinge (get 6 likes to use per day), x effectiveness => 42x expected dates 7 cold approaches a week (just assuming 1 a day), y effectiveness =< 7y expected dates If someone wants to argue approaching in person is 6 times more likely to lead to a date than online, then cold approach is the way to go for them. On the flip side if someone just ups the volume and app…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/23 11:37 AM
3	Nice Guys are really just lazy. It could be. And none of those are sins. It seems (to me) that there's an imperative to deem any guy who struggles as morally corrupt. He must hate women, or be lazy -- he must have Napolean syndrome, he must be upset about his small penis. As if having conventionally avg/below avg looks and not going to many social events isn't enough to not get dates. I don't think this is specific to dating. People want to believe that those who face hardship did something bad to deserve it. More comfortable …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/23 03:52 PM
1	Nice Guys are really just lazy. Social skills, money, fitness. Though for them (and myself) the pool of people they're interested in is pretty small. No casual dating, just looking for "The One". So they (or I) could have higher chances when talking with the average early to mid 20s woman, but since their (or my) filters are somewhat strict it's still tough to find a good match.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/23 02:19 AM
2	Nice Guys are really just lazy. Could be the case. I've only tried through dating apps the past few years, with one exception last year. Haven't been on a real date in 7 years.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 05:16 PM
30	Nice Guys are really just lazy. This take intrigues me because I've seen a similar magnitude of frustration (but for different reasons) from some guys who do put in the work. The group that goes to the gym, makes six figures, has morals and character and still struggle to date. For them the frustration is being gaslit and told "looks aren't important" despite (seemingly) getting rejected for height/facial features. I don't disagree that lazy "nice guys" exist. I don't have much respect for those who take the red pill and do no…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/23 04:25 PM
0	Why are people drawn to the Redpill? That's a nice quip, but there's nothing villainous about recognizing truth. Maybe it would be maybe if I eere raging or hateful about it, but I'm not.	/r/ExRedPill	20/07/23 09:54 AM
-1	Why are people drawn to the Redpill? I wouldn't say I have, really. I don't see an issue with the red pill. I do think some men aligned with RP lack empathy for women and opt to hate them instead. But I don't believe that hatred is inherent to RP ideology. I like reading other perspectives on it, which is why I'm here.	/r/ExRedPill	19/07/23 09:32 AM
1	Why are people drawn to the Redpill? Experiencing nothing but rejection after believing all I needed wax good character and kindness reinforced my alignment with the red pill.	/r/ExRedPill	19/07/23 09:18 AM
1	Women don't hate nice guys because they storm off after being rejected, women hate them because they create a secret, transactional relationship without the woman's consent. This is why I've stuck to online dating this past year (nothing has come of it though). Told a ~season long friend how I felt last year, hasn't spoken to me since. Hadn't felt so deeply about a girl in my entire life. Still haven't since her. Don't want to approach in the gym, or work. Still remote, still tried anyway and didn't work. He thinks that he can treat the woman extra special, give her services or gifts, and then at some later point, she will return those services and gifts with romanc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/23 12:24 AM
3	The stupidest RP take You may be thinking of black pill.	/r/ExRedPill	17/07/23 04:33 PM
1	Are redpillers happy? What are your thoughts on men who are disabled? There should be a greater focus on providing them with support for physical, mental, emotional wellness. And more resources placed into preventative healthcare. What do you mean by ability to acquire knowledge? Becoming resourceful and improving cognitive function via diet/exercise may help the ability to gain and retain knowledge. Is charisma only for flirting? It could help with building social relationships. a lot of us aren't taught what to loo…	/r/ExRedPill	14/07/23 01:57 AM
5	Guys should filter out women who don't show any interest, romantically or sexually I get it, this has just led to me filtering out almost everyone though. For men who are already very selective (and not nec. because they have many options), this may not be optimal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/23 11:08 PM
1	CMV : Even if women are more attractive in their 20’s, the attractive ones don’t want you now and definitely won’t want you in your 30’s It simply aint happening, so the argument of women being hotter in their 20’s is moot to you unless you’re already a hot guy in your 20’s who is currently able to bag those women. Perhaps. It could still be true that the "market value" of a conventionally average looking man who has become financially stable, fit, confident into their 30s is higher than the average single woman in the same age group. So the 20 year old models may be out of his reach unless he levels up even more. But the avg. si…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/23 09:11 PM
1	Are redpillers happy? strength physical strength? Physical strength, getting into shape. Do you mean knowledge, not intelligence? I mean intelligence. Working on the ability to acquire knowledge. What do you mean by charismatic? Something like charisma is subjective, and according to the eye of the beholder. I agree that's this is the most subjective part of red pill self improvement. I actually don't think it's as important as the other aspects -- certain styles of flirting will work with some people, not work with …	/r/ExRedPill	12/07/23 10:10 PM
1	Are redpillers happy? Is there anything you find true within the red pill? Most of the discourse regarding hypergamy and the importance of having resources/fitness/charisma makes sense to me and additionally aligns with my lived experience.	/r/ExRedPill	12/07/23 08:18 PM
1	Are redpillers happy? I think there at multiple sides to the red pill community now -- the ideation behind self improvement/recognizing our shared reality is good. Should encourage men to be stronger, more intelligent, logical, charismatic. This makes them better. I don't agree with any hatred of women (but again, that's not what red pill is about). I'd go as far to say a lot of women I've interacted with (friends, family, etc) under 30 lack accountability regarding their relationship history and sex lives, sure. But…	/r/ExRedPill	12/07/23 06:26 PM
1	Are redpillers happy? Redpill "truth" is that women are hypergamous and unable to love unconditionally. I believe that is true for the majority of millenials and younger, when it comes to romantic love (and not mother/child). Women only care about a man's resources and to get women a man must acquire these resources. I believe raw physical attraction plays a role here, but resources do as well. Going to the gym and eating right can help.	/r/ExRedPill	12/07/23 06:14 PM
2	Are redpillers happy? what do you define as being redpill Seeking and accepting truth, refusing to be sedated by comforting lies.	/r/ExRedPill	12/07/23 03:42 AM
2	Why don’t people just date people who align with their interests? I appreciate that, you as well	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 09:44 PM
3	Why don’t people just date people who align with their interests? Why not wait it out Could be waiting for a decade+ I've actually been waiting, never had a relationship or casual fling. It sucks, though most alternatives aside from finding "The One" would be worse (for me). I'm not a defeatist, so just resigning and giving up isn't an option. Just keeping hope alive and self improving, but still mentally prepping for being alone just in case.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 09:07 PM
1	Are redpillers happy? I would consider myself RP, and I'm not miserable, but not satisfied either. Happy to be alive and somewhat well, still focusing on self improvement, making money, etc.	/r/ExRedPill	11/07/23 08:58 PM
1	Why don’t people just date people who align with their interests? Could be hard to find.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/23 08:55 PM
1	How can women tell if a guy is 'inexperienced' or a virgin if he lies? I see. I'm not trying to hide it, would rather not lie (even though that seems to be popular advice). Would prefer dating someone w/ my experience level, though hard to find.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/23 01:12 AM
1	How can women tell if a guy is 'inexperienced' or a virgin if he lies? Hmm. I haven't really thought about that in depth.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/23 12:57 AM
1	How can women tell if a guy is 'inexperienced' or a virgin if he lies? This makes sense. you ask him what he likes in bed and he give vague, non-sensical, or exaggerated answers For this, what would you consider to be vague? When I've been asked this (by friends, not w/ romantic partners), I answer honestly that anything basic/"vanilla" is cool with me. If I have feelings for her I'll be satisfied as long as she is. At least, I say that now. I don't think it'll change once I find someone though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/23 12:43 AM
1	If you are social, go out, APPROACH women, stop being shy and quiet then you have no arguments for not getting laid. How would you prefer to build that attraction? My perspective as a guy who doesn't cold approach: Most of my attempts have either been online or through mutual friends. The lack of trying in person is partly from previous rejections and knowing I need to self improve more. And partly from not seeing/meeting many people to whom I'm attracted.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/23 10:20 PM
4	If you are social, go out, APPROACH women, stop being shy and quiet then you have no arguments for not getting laid. Interesting, how do you think you'd feel if a man you didn't find physically attractive approached you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/23 01:36 AM
1	The dating market isn't fair and isn't meant to be fair, so we should give young men a break The guys who never hooked up were the average and below average guys who were convinced they were well above average. A 5-6 shooting only for 9-10s will almost always fail. Generally speaking, this could be the case. But I think there's another side to this. I almost exclusively use online dating for these things, and have only had interest in one person since the pandemic -- and even then that was through remote work. And just focused on course work during college. When friends were partying I …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/23 08:39 PM
16	The dating market isn't fair and isn't meant to be fair, so we should give young men a break Interesting, what the OP described is closer to what I've seen firsthand. Guys who were student athletes, musical artists, or just conventionally attractive got with conventionally attractive and "average" women in college. I find that people mistakenly because female physical attractiveness is a larger part of the equation for men, women care less about looks and are less shallow. That's not really the case, from what I've seen. I think of it this way: Bob is hungry. Bob wants a mushroom burger…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/23 11:23 PM
2	Can incels be helped? Furthermore do you think anyone is truly an Incel or is it all in the persons head because they refuse to try to do something about it? I think some people are truly incels. I don't get why this would be a debate. All it takes simply put, is to like people who don't want you back. After making more money, working on physical fitness, gaining wit, one could still struggle with dating if they can't find a mutual romantic interest. Part of that struggle is their own standards, part of it is the com…	/r/ExRedPill	25/06/23 03:09 AM
1	Being a bad boy is very beneficial when it comes to being respected by peers and attracting women I’ve honestly never met a guy who wasn’t a peice of shit who wasn’t in a relationship. And this is why turning "incel"dom into a moral argument is (somewhat) bs. Incels have gotten a misogynist connotation, but (sadly) being a misogynist alone doesn't stop guys from being successful in dating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/23 01:50 PM
1	Men are better divided into three groups, not two Similar situation, trying to figure it out. Hopefully the gym helps	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/23 01:30 AM
5	I think most men don't truly understand what being attractive is, and can be just as entitled delusional as the women they complain about. If more people understood this we could actually get somewhere. Instead of discourse that leads to nowhere	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/23 06:41 PM
1	CMV: It is sad that it has become so normalized to not settle down until you're 30+ I know a woman who settled down and had kids at 24 and it was considered "weird" how young she was. Many people said she settled down too soon and that she could have spent more years "enjoying life". I'd rather just settle down now (if I had the right person), since I'm not into partying/casual dating anyway. I think the argument for the conventional "enjoy life" lifestyle of drinking, partying, one night stands works for people who can (or, think they can) somewhat reliably get relationships, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/23 05:59 PM
1	Promiscuous women who preach that you shouldn't judge women by their sexual past are the first ones to judge virgin guys for their lack of sexual past Interesting, just curious. I'm still on the fence myself, on what the bigger cause is: Lack of hygiene, sociability, fitness (generally controllable) vs not tall enough, smaller than avg genitals, not having conventionally attractive face (harder to control). I lean towards the second group being the actual main culprit for "incels". Both from personal experience and from what makes sense to me. It's easy to paint all incels as bad guys as it fits the narrative, but there are genuinely cool non …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/23 09:49 PM
6	Promiscuous women who preach that you shouldn't judge women by their sexual past are the first ones to judge virgin guys for their lack of sexual past Do you think generally the undesirable quality is a fault of their own?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/23 09:26 PM
3	Do you think in general having high social status allows men to get the highest quantity/quality of woman? I'd still choose looks (accounting for height, face, size as part of looks). Because it's a higher and harder bar to clear. I'm not saying making six figures is easy, but it's still more feasible than growing 3 inches (height or length) as an adult.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/23 11:45 PM
12	We don’t talk enough about the “Settle Down” woman enough Hmm, but she might not want the men who want her, even though they're* average Edit: even though the men are average, to be clear.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/23 12:37 AM
2	Since we live in artificial times why don't we implement artificial solutions? Make a dating app which allows women 50 swipes per day while men are only allowed 1 swipe per day. Maybe top men do go for more average women because they are most likely to give up casual sex in hopes of a relationship. There is logic there, however I think it will be the minority. I agree on the logic, but I think the top men may value quantity over quality. If the average "high value man" has the choice of 1 woman who is a 9/10 (by his standards) vs 4 women that are 6-7 by his standards, all willing to share him I'm not certain the former option will be picked by the majority of men. There…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/23 12:38 AM
3	Since we live in artificial times why don't we implement artificial solutions? Make a dating app which allows women 50 swipes per day while men are only allowed 1 swipe per day. Top women will likely do the same by swiping on all the top men. Theoretically, top men swipe on top women and vice versa. ? Does the man's profile automatically just dissappear once he matches with someone? Otherwise, he can just have a plethora of conversations going, over time. It won't be just the top women swiping on the top men. The majority of women will. I understand that it's the ideal, but I doubt the average women will lower their standards, or that all top men would remain faithful t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/23 11:34 PM
4	If women are the ones who control the dating market, wouldn’t it make sense for men to lower their standards instead? It seems like a lot of men are upset because they can’t find the type of woman they want, while also not fitting their standards of what those women want so I feel like it would make more sense to go for women who are not a 10/10 model The issue is, it's not just 10/10 models who have high standards. Those who are a "conventional 6" still have high standards. Seemingly the majority of women are willing to pay a high price for a low supply of in high demand men. Therefore for the average man, the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/23 12:33 AM
0	Beauty standards for men are far more unrealistic when it comes down to dating I'm not suggesting to go raw necessarily, just to not have penetrative sex all the time if the negative impact of pharma bc is that high. I'm not saying never have it, but maybe, at least, consider other options. Albeit easier for me to say, I get it. Never been into the casual scene.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/23 08:19 PM
1	Beauty standards for men are far more unrealistic when it comes down to dating That's fine. And for those that do (just generally speaking, not aiming this towards you), there should be some accountability. Complaining about the impact the pills can have on their body fat distribution when it's a choice they're actively and knowingly making... they need to look in the mirror and consider their priorities.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/23 10:04 AM
1	Beauty standards for men are far more unrealistic when it comes down to dating Genuinely curious, why have penetrative sex in this scenario then? Would you really rather deal with the effects of (pharmaceutical) hormonal birth control just for pleasure? There are also wellness apps (check out 28.co) that can help with cycle tracking and fertility windows, to avoid having to take pills. May not work for everyone, but an alternative worth checking out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/23 09:52 AM
3	Beauty standards for men are far more unrealistic when it comes down to dating The idea is that working out and having a fit body is more accessible than growing 3 inches.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/23 09:44 AM
1	Beauty standards for men are far more unrealistic when it comes down to dating You've summed it up beautifully. If you aren't confident, it means you haven't been given validation. You can't make people validate you. Though, I think one can find their own confidence (and should in an effort to have a healthy, successful life). But if there's nothing else reinforcing this "irritational" confidence, it likely isn't not be enough. Today, confidence is more of a signal of value then actual value. When people say "be confident" as dating advice, they falsely attribute confidenc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/23 09:42 AM
-2	I recently found out that a guy I’m talking to has a high body count and I am repulsed I do believe people can change but there’s just some things that to me are hard to look past. I'm going to go against the grain here and say that this is valid and it matters. To me, key is just determining whether the count is high because he was just exercising options, or if there's an underlying issue that led to that amount of partners that hasn't been addressed. And I don’t see anything wrong with a man that values a woman who waited until marriage. Some people value sexual intimacy and se…	/r/ExRedPill	31/03/23 10:13 AM
1	Men don’t care about women’s career? I think that's wonderful that you found someone, and I can see how value is added there through shared experience. But in the bigger picture, there aren't enough of those high earning men to go around (for long term commitments). Throw in being conventionally attractive, having character, and that pool gets even smaller. Some of those men may value a woman's career over looks, but since they are expected to be providers anyway, there's no real incentive to value her work (unless it directly help…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/03/23 03:06 AM
1	Men don’t care about women’s career? part of my point in the post is that it was never hard for me to date someone 6figs because most of people in my context were doing that Wouldn't the ability to date those men be similar if you weren't a high earner?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/03/23 02:39 AM
1	Do RP men who are extremely discouraged by dating ever consider how their attitudes come across to women? Thanks. Trying to get better at reading signs myself. In your guy's case, maybe he just hasn't gotten a lot of attention or is used to rejection. I may have done the same. Hard to tell if a signal is positive if you're used to a bunch of varying negatives.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/23 11:17 PM
1	What would happen if women lowered their standards? It may depend on how long it takes to meet that person. And then on top of that, the feeling has to be mutual.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/03/23 03:14 PM
4	Do RP men who are extremely discouraged by dating ever consider how their attitudes come across to women? the other one is too insecure to make a move despite me showing interest so we'll probably just stay friends. Just wondering, what are you doing to show interest?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/23 02:07 AM
–	Wanting a woman with a high sex drive + low BC + is attractive is odd, to say the least. Why?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/23 12:29 AM
1	Men should stop trying to rationalize and justify their body count preferences. The only men that will lose are the ones unwilling to stick it out till their 30’s That's a very long time to wait it out. Currently on that track of waiting (wasn't dating in high school despite some attempts, didn't try as much in college). The crave for intimacy just intensifies. Trying to figure out how to enjoy life despite it, for now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/23 11:24 PM
4	Men should stop trying to rationalize and justify their body count preferences. Wondering the same. Have yet to find a good answer for this, aside from a cultural overhaul	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/23 07:49 PM
2	Young men will always follow people like Andrew Tate and those like him so long as women discriminate based on things men can’t control more than things they can Their argument seems to be more about fairness of standards. So judging on traits harder to change is less fair than judging on traits easier to change. The "unchangeable" traits have arguably increased in value in modern dating. The prominence of online dating and social media provides more options and access to men who may have the height, legacy wraith, or whatever else. So with more access to those guys, women's filters become stricter, men who don't meet these standards are left out. I thin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/23 06:26 PM
2	The Top 5 Biggest Traits That Predict Someone Will Become A 30 Year Old Virgin (Not By Choice) That's significantly less likely to be by choice, though of course still worth discussing. Their struggles matter as well	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/23 02:12 PM
0	CMV: Finding a High-Value Woman nowadays is nearly impossible Any that were single for their whole lives?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/23 12:48 AM
3	The average man care more about looks than the average woman But on this point I'm talking strictly physical attraction. Getting ripped doesn't happen overnight. Also a man can get ripped and still not be conventionally attractive, no? There seemed to be a debate this year on three attractiveness of Jonathan Majors (in Creed 3, plays Kang in Ant Man Quantamania). The guy is HUGE and it's still not quite enough. The bar for male attractiveness is much much lower btw, You're taking the total sum of what makes a man attractive here (charisma, character, mone…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/23 07:40 PM
3	The average man care more about looks than the average woman Very interesting post, a couple thoughts as these two points stood out to me: You can cultivate what you find attractive in others a little bit but I really think men are very limited in that department compared to women. Since women are more selective and judge partners based off of a stricter criteria, it follows that looks seem to be a smaller factor for them. Different way of framing it, but I agree overall. Almost every hetero couple I have ever seen in my life the woman was more convention…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/23 07:07 PM
1	Do men seriously have more dating options as they get older? I can attest to not having much in the 20s. I'd hope there's more options as I build value.	/r/ExRedPill	03/02/23 08:34 PM
1	You are offered 1 million dollars, untaxed. In exchange, you can never have sex/sexual intimacy ever again. Do you accept the offer? Tough. Still wouldn't take it, despite lack of intimacy and sex up to this point (mid 20s). Still have faith.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/23 03:00 PM
3	If a woman has to recondition and force herself to find you attractive the relationship is doomed from the start I see. Anger towards women seems to have been conflated with "incels", but I don't think that's a requirement. A respectful, nice guy in the example above should be as much of an incel as an lazy hateful virgin misogynist.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/23 03:01 AM
2	If a woman has to recondition and force herself to find you attractive the relationship is doomed from the start I think the implicit assumption is that those terms are only meaningful when applied to people you're actually interested in dating. Interesting. Let's say a man with very high standards and hasn't wavered from them. Has never had a girlfriend or been kissed, despite shooting a few shots over the years. Mid 20s, just got his own place, makes $130k, in average shape, 5' 11" and slightly above average looks. Would you consider him an incel? And do you think most people would?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/02/23 02:16 AM
3	Are there men in your life who are good overall but fail at dating? What does this say about modern dating? Yes, I think the issue comes down to standards (on either side) and the options available.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/23 10:15 PM
28	"Just work on yourself, bro" is a polite way of gaslighting men People tend to treat desiring women while failing to get them as not just a skill issue or a bad luck, but a moral failing You make a great point here. It seems, in the collective imigination of modern dating, lack of morals and undesirable physical traits get assigned to any man who "can't pull". An "incel" has to hate women, has to be too short, has to have small penis insecurities -- these guys can't actually have anything going for them, right? Wrong. But people latch on to those ideas why. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/23 01:53 PM
3	Social-stereotypes & doublestandards on interracial dating? After stumbling upon some stats and trends, it turns out, atleast to a degree, that women (of each ethnicity) tend to rate black males' more attractive than whites', with asians at last, Do you have any studies you can share on this? The studies I've seen, this is generally not true. White men are overwhelmingly ranked most attractive, then black, then Asian. Here's one study, a bit old though: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/okcupid-race_n_5811840	/r/TheRedPill	22/11/22 12:49 PM