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Resonate with this very closely. Unfortunately my libido hasn’t caught up at this point, but the whole prospect of dating for status or purely chasing looks is truly exhausting. I used to think I was ‘coping’ if I wasn’t going for the best, hottest thing out there but I can safely say that the juice is not worth the squeeze after the experiences of my 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:55 AM
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It's a projection more often than it isn't. There are, of course, many cases where a disgruntled older women make their vitriol other peoples' problem, where criticizing their decisions is sensical. But I doubt it's the norm unless your environment is very niche. Most people don't personally experience this type of issue, and if they do it's not that significant. Much of dating discourse is a revenge tour consisting of projection. Divorced men who have to give up the house don't speak fondly of …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 08:21 PM
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Much of dating / gender dynamics discourse is a revenge tour on both sides of the aisle.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 08:16 PM
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All kinds of guys get girlfriends - fat, skinny, excited, depressed, rich, poor, handsome, even ugly. If you don't have one despite trying, it's because you have a combination of undesirable traits where desperation may be just the tip of the iceberg. You could also be unlucky. I know desperate dudes who always have a girl. I know the chillest guys who can't get a date to save their lives. It's all about the combo and how they're perceived.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:36 PM
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The 80/20 rule doesn't even flesh out the whole picture. Take a room full of those supposed 20% men and any woman, logically speaking, is only going to select one, maybe two. Just puts into perspective how brutal it can be fighting for above-average women. You literally have to stand out in whatever sample group you're a part of.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:32 PM
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Dude really MS-paintmaxxed in 2024 you can't make this shit up
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 07:21 PM
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Agreed. It's pretty much a non-issue unless you're over 250k and I'm being generous. It's probably closer to 500k.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 07:19 PM
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Definitely not applicable in practice. I found my greatest love putting on a complete facade of confidence and maturity. I lost her for the same reason down the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 01:36 AM
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The truth is that being yourself with some minor tweaks really is the best shot you have at finding a life partner who fulfills you. Casual dating / online dating personas people develop can grant short-term success, until the morbid realization that people are falling for a caricature of them and not their authentic selves. My controversial belief is that most people go their whole lives without truly being seen. The facades they build are either unsuccessful or successful enough to grant them …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 01:34 AM
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Just because it can doesn’t mean it will.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 01:32 AM
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Aside from my early years of college, the two years I spent going out, consistently on dating apps, and actively casually dating got me the most ‘success’ I ever had. It also drained a shit ton of time, utterly exhausted me acting like someone I wasn’t, and therefore disillusioned me about men, women, and dating at large.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 01:31 AM
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We should create a separate debate sub for attractive men and women, aka people who get to even play the game. You couldn't pay them enough to show up. Those types of people are far and few between on subs like these. They're too busy out there soaking in all life has to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 12:23 AM
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I don't think he's real.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 06:52 PM
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This the craziest shit poast I seen here in a hot minute
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 05:30 PM
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Pretty difficult for terminal red-pillers to fathom that women have pursuers pretty much forever. In my experience there are more dudes who hit ‘the wall’ than women down the line, kids or no kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 07:40 AM
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Wall doesn't exist for women if they take care of themselves and adjust their expectations. It's the biggest lie that's been disseminated through centuries of male domination, the Red Pill practically preaches it as Gospel. We're literally learning these things on the fly because we've never been able to test them out. ​ The commonality between mid-35-year-old women with nasty attitudes and any run-of-the-mill 35-year-old single male is that those cats WILL hit the wall. The latter is way more p…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 02:28 AM
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Wherever the poverty line peaks over the line of personal desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 05:56 AM
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If things don’t change or get worse, you’ll see more of a shift toward this paradigm. Keep in mind that most people still link up young though. Money isn’t nearly as important as cats make it out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 05:55 AM
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There's plenty of men who don't care about looks, or care about them less. Those men will be an extreme minority on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 01:05 AM
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It’s pretty important after the fact. Have seen many family members marry down, have both their spouses and their in-laws causing a ruckus, asking for money. The whole thing is bigger than dating — attracting a mate is just the tip of the iceberg.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 04:04 AM
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I think one key detail is that there IS some variation in what you’d call success among men — either scoring hotties with some consistency, or scoring average to above average women consistently. Lots of dudes suffer from “all or nothing” syndrome — I would say I do too, to a degree. They’ll only date women they find super attractive — nice face, big tits, good figure. To be frank, most of these guys won’t find their version of “success”, since these dudes don’t really get to complain. If you re…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 03:28 PM
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Not sure if a steady stream of post-wall women is what OP meant by success. I’ll assume you’re speaking about women all over the board.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 03:20 PM
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Yes if they're handsome or edgy; not that complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 12:15 AM
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Age like fine wine is certainly a myth.. for the most part. Most men are born at the wall and stay there. But any dude who hits his stride financially and has some decent looks in his mid-20's to mid-30's knows that it makes a huge difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 12:42 AM
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This dude scouring comments 24/7 gassing himself up on anon Reddit comments lmao "Treated well" my dude you need to go outside, not passive aggressively thirst for validation on online hate subs. You're sorry as hell
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:24 PM
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Are you handsome? Yes. By cooperative do you mean will do whatever I say because I feel powerful bossing women around? You're projecting again. Lighten up, people will stop treating you like crap. If things are so great, why not leave PPD and the US? Stop assuming. Go outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 12:06 AM
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LatAm changed my entire perspective about gender dynamics and the dating scene. I always did alright out here, but I was barely prepared for how much better it could be. Women in many NA cities have a certain coldness about them. I met women in LatAm with advanced degrees, decent-paying jobs, good families, and beautiful to boot. I've rarely, if ever, met young women out here who act the same way, even for Chad. Above all, women abroad actually like to have fun -- a concept extremely elusive for…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 03:43 AM
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It depends on your level of self-awareness. If you have an ounce of it, it's pretty damn important. You'll get jaded, and probably sussed out when you discover that a flower with an ice cream won't cut it on your first date at 28. You missed out on pure, requited romance. In reality it's messy and forgettable. But realistically, it's the closest thing anybody gets to pure love.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 01:25 AM
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Damn she ain't wrong though. Dudes gotta choose on this one. Rough.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 02:10 AM
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PSA: Age gaps are only an issue in North America and literally nowhere else. Everybody obviously thinks a 40yo with an 18yo is sus. 95% of age-gap relationships are more nuanced than that paradigm.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:26 AM
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You ever heard of Thailand for women? It’s called Italy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 04:34 AM
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Solomon. David. Sodom. Many such cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 10:37 PM
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This guy gets it. It’s a definitive flaw, and truly unsustainable if not downright impossible for most average men. But the allure of it is overwhelming — tons of dudes can’t shake it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 04:10 PM
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Men luv whores — both dudes and chicks have echoed this sentiment throughout this sub. As much as men want a loving, loyal wife, it’s tough to shake the excitement a hoe brings. Just take a look throughout time and history — the Bible, the Iliad, President Bill Clinton. Chasing hoes is in our DNA, no matter how deep the detriment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 04:07 PM
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You're terminally online if you think every girl is an OF girl. Met a chick at a gas station the other day who didn't know what a Zyn was [nicotine pouch], despite this being a popular thing in her age bracket. You reap what you sow. You bombard the algorithm with Saved pictures of TikTok thots and softcore porn and it'll feed it back to you. Most people in the real world, or even on a college campus, are pretty flexible with their interests and just normal people. Get offline.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 07:10 PM
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Every "high-value" man I know [this term is getting cringe af] never mentioned it nor thought about it -- they just live their lives and date hot chicks. The whole concept is kind of dumb and is becoming more of a revenge fantasy than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 07:08 PM
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This shit is so convoluted and not even a worthy discussion in any place in the world outside of North America -- and newsflash, it totally happens in NA too, and most people don't care. After 35 most dudes are shit-out-of-luck for dating an 18-22 year-old, and most of them don't even want to. Tons of girls young girls date guys 27-34 though -- almost every attractive girl I know has had an experience like this, most don't regret it and can approach it with some level of maturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 07:06 PM
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Truly noted. The dudes who talk about it the most are ones who want to dunk on women as an act of resentment since they can't participate. Fresh and Fit Superchats come to mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 08:57 PM
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Your stars and stripes are showing. This is an issue in North America and nowhere else. European women, Latina women, Asian women all date older. Couples don't always stay together, and make the best of the situation generally. So many cases of women harboring resentment instead of seeing it as a learning experience out here. There are cases of mistreatment, but this occurs across the spectrum. There are obvious, ridiculous cases in terms of age-gap [involving minors] but we all know that's not …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 08:55 PM
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It will definitely worsen. Male sexual fantasy, if not regulated, is a bottomless well. Imagine the ability to recreate your ideal sexual fantasies with your dream woman [or several at once] authentically. It spells disaster for men the younger they are. Sex is not just sex, we've made a mess out of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 12:35 AM
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This is just life, really. We'd be surprised how many friendships fall apart because people are too pussy to make a move after a hiatus.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 04:52 PM
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Early conditioning with the Internet is the cause of this, along with culture itself. Lone Ranger, hustle types are glorified. Everybody is trying to project a unique persona of success, winning together is seen as "cringe". To top it all off, dudes are being inundated with effeminate rhetoric of "diversity", TikTok tottery, and really misguided manosphere slop. There will definitely be some form of reckoning, which is already happening with many men in society in regards to education and the wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:10 PM
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Don't disagree with you, but you're missing a key part here -- they have incredibly low standards. I know exactly the type you're talking about and they'd fuck a sofa cushion if it has a skirt on. They're terminally-aloof types who look half-decent, usually carry dead-end jobs, and have average looks. Met a couple of these guys in my life. I have a way lower body-count than I could have because 1. I'm not Chad 2. I have standards. Only known 1 pure Chad ever -- dude racked up a 10-count by sopho…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:01 PM
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Dating apps can work if you're half decent looking with low standards. Aside from that, they are completely demonic and devoid of IRL magic. Once you lock eyes at a party, in a TSA lineup, or fall in love with a friend, dating apps just utterly fall short.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:52 PM
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After about 25 you really have to get out there and get punched in the teeth socially. That's because all the conventional modes of interaction dry up. Getting into business or working for yourself works out well here. You can take clients out to dinner, have an excuse to meet up with people you work with, organize events. People will see you as somebody they can trust, it's more likely you'll rub shoulders with a decent girl. Everything is transactional anyways, so no need to bicker about that;…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:50 PM
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People want to stay in whatever makes them comfortable. If they have a sure thing in front of them that they know will pay off or make them feel good, they'll do it. That's why tons of chicks will have sex with Chad but make Jimmy wait -- low-risk, guaranteed return. The thing people refuse to contemplate over or admit is that something is always lost whenever you commit to something or move forward -- in today's day and age, most people aren't willing to take risks to commit to jobs, people, or…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 09:49 PM
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You're not a woman. We have different routes in life -- a man makes his own way. The keys to accept that are to get out there, get your teeth knocked in, and win once in a while. Learn to love the process. Men just experience life in ways that women don't -- it's a different struggle. When you think about it, we don't even experience sex the same way, so you don't have to preoccupy yourself with delusions of grandeur. Find what you love about being a man and life in general. Another thing that h…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 06:38 PM
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This is a problem because most of the people who would date 18 year olds are the same ones who would argue for dating 12-17 yr olds if it were legal How do you make this shit up going as low as 12? Lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 11:43 PM
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Totally your prerogative. Funny af when y'all act fresh about it though, and surprised when dudes are salty. Bunch of girls I know at least admit that they'll only fuck dudes they respect instead of dishing out fairy tales. But they're in the minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 07:05 AM
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This guy's tone is salty af, so he'd have a hard time scoring in any which way. But the spirit of what he's implying is true. Women can't really convey a good reason for giving it up for free while making others wait -- they just can't. Of course guys are going to be pissed when they get the shite end of the stick and have to commit. Then once they do commit, chicks aren't really obliged to do anything. So you get what other dudes got for free, with all the responsibility of a relationship. Make…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 04:09 PM
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Neither of mine were. One of my grandfathers was emotionally distant, lowkey abusive. The other one lived an extremely difficult childhood being the eldest son and child during wartime. He definitely took it out on his family -- my grandmother got over his death very quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 04:26 AM
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If you're talking about women who are willling to bring children into the world, raise them with you, and take on that full gamut of responsibility -- then yes, you'd be right. If you're marrying to play house, it's probably not a priority anyways, or you're neither better or worse off you're married. To the guys who feel like something is wrong with this hyper-sexualized, free-reign society we've created -- stop being ashamed, most of us with a level-head know something is wrong. If she's not o…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 11:31 PM
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It's definitely changing. In my line of work, I can see that reading is on its way out not because books are worse [although that would be an arguable reason], but because they're no match for the likes of YouTube or TikTok. The power of the Internet is overwhelming. Communities and societies that can resist it survive, and they are few.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 01:04 AM
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This is the nuance required in the debate -- men need a lot of incentive to step up when it comes to relationships. Our forefathers knew this, and bound men by law and cultural expectations to live up to this. The men who are sticking around, at least IMO, either have unicorns or are getting the shite end of the stick. Men don't really get a guaranteed say in how their children are raised, and are expected to have their needs take a backseat as marriage continues. The old incentives are gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 11:54 PM
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The manosphere is mad because the manosphere is made up of average men, a vast majority of which won't ever get into the AF category. If they even got to live out a smidgen of it, they'd see how fun, but also vapid and disillusioning it is. But they just want what they can't have. You can't put a price on AF either -- that's what makes ups its value to high heaven. Nothing can really replace sexual prowess when you're young if it's something that occupies your psyche.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:01 AM
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Propinquity. You have to be in the mix, establish social proof and that you're normal / well-liked by others, and show confidence. The "Just Be Confident" blackpill theory is a joke, but it actually has a lot of truth to it -- you just need to be confident in the right circumstances and situations. Cold-approaching and wearing a leather jacket as a one-off is not confidence. It's leading all your interactions and activities with poise. This isn't easy, of course. The mere thought of this type of…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 01:24 AM
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A lot of chicks don’t get that average to above average men absolutely kill it in basically every other part of the world since standards aren’t completely warped. If you’re ugly, that doesn’t fly anywhere. But if you’re reasonably tall with a decent face and a good job / personality, you can still fight an uphill battle in the West. And just like a lot of men aren’t going for a quick fuck, lots of women out there aren’t taking men for a ride.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 05:26 PM
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Like anything and everything else in dating — if Chad does it, or you’re the best at it, it’s attractive. If you’re average at it, it’s either negative or makes no impact.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:09 PM
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OP got it wrong. Having a good job while billionaires exist is chill — because the rules are clear, and there’s no bullshit. We know you have to be a cut above, born into it, or step on some toes to be a billionaire. This is known, everyone acknowledges it. A man can sit in his cubicle and accept this paradigm. In dating, women claim that they want honesty, patience, and social acuity, but go for whatever face and set of forearms get their jimmies rustled. They go for the “billionaires” while ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:08 PM
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I think for any dude slightly above average, you gotta get a lock on it from your late 20s to mid-30s. Waiting longer than that is just asking for trouble — you probably won’t even have the energy to keep up. For average dudes it’s a total myth. I know nerds 30+ who bag 250k and can’t score a date to save their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:03 PM
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“Ooooh you whores” hahahahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:59 PM
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I’ve dated enough to know that women get away with everything. As entitled as many men are, women have been conditioned from a young age to wield soft power. It’s actually quite admirable, until you get the shite end of the stick. This isn’t a reco to bow out, btw — girls are great, but most dudes are scared to put their foot down. If you can do this and be ok with the consequences, you’ll be alright.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:39 PM
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I think it just comes down to gender differences. Whereas there’s a high possibility many of those women say no to every man, there’s no way that any of those men would say no to all those women. Women aren’t building up rosters like Fresh n Fit would have you believe — most are riding with one guy they think is a star.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:35 PM
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This stat is actually wrong — it’s much worse. Think about it this way. If you’re in a room with 100 guys and 20 girls, you’d think that the top 20% of the men in that room would score a date. The answer would almost always be lower — all the women would gravitate toward a number much lower than 20, and depending on the spread, many would just say no to everything altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:18 PM
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Sad af that you’re not wrong about being rich. Tons of young cats buying into this now, before they’ve even scored their first job. You get some experience in the world, a few notches on your belt, and you realize how thoroughly unsustainable this model is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:10 PM
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I’m in the education industry and see tons of young dudes scoring GFs early. It’s mostly because they’re just locked in and giving everything a fair shot, and not obsessed over looks. Online dating is a honey trap for most. The whole thing is a sick joke since it’s the only way to meet people for many. So once they strike out online, they strike out IRL. OP is totally and unequivocally wrong about this bit though — dressing better isn’t going to get you more matches if you’re average. Refer to r…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:03 PM
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If you’re not having kids because Al Gore told you not to 23 years ago and you believed him, you shouldn’t pass on those genes anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 08:18 AM
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This is Reddit. Everybody here hates children, hates themselves. Not always their fault, granted. I’d like 4, still young. 2 minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 08:17 AM
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No woman is going to out themselves, especially on Reddit. Pay attention to the real world. Chicks step out for whoever their “Chad” is all the time — it’s not nearly as common as some incel fantasies make it out to be, but it happens enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 08:54 AM
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Somebody call the asylum, this dude hasn't taken his lithium.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 09:27 PM
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Because it can 100% be a death sentence when it comes to dating -- many of their complaints are warranted, albeit it won't help them get laid. You're either trolling or dense af. Any dude I know who is under 5'6 with a decent-looking chick had something really great going for them -- great hair, a dope job from an early age, or just outlier confidence which usually came out of the former two. If you're under 5'6, or even 5'10 with no outlier attributes or above average looks, you're going to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 09:23 PM
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People are flaming OP in the comments [understood] but may be more conceited that they think. No other generation of men in history would have tolerated this amount of bullshit -- whether you think it's deserved or not, doesn't discount this fact. I'm speaking from a position of relative affluence and comfort, while not having too much trouble with women. We're soon going to find out how strong our copes really are with unlimited food, entertainment, and AI around the corner. If that dries up th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 06:07 AM
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Women will always have options just by showing up. Same can't be said for men. Not that difficult to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 06:50 PM
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The fallacy in this shit is that attractive women fall for the facade — that’s why dudes are pissed. Average chicks are getting increasingly picky and falling for bad behavior, but a vast majority of them don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 07:22 PM
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I’ve had my mind changed about it here — it absolutely make a difference in the right conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 07:57 PM
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Probably less than 1% I’ve met pro athletes, dudes at the top of their professional life, taller + decent looking dudes who were shite with women Chads are much more elusive. Only met 2-3 pure Chads in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 06:56 PM
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-workout -have some kind of passion that they can pour energy into and receive the innate reward of accomplishment -a group of guy friends they can rely on to break balls, confide in, and troubleshoot life problems You forgot have sex. Or at least have had enough that they know they can get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 03:36 AM
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As an interesting observation, I seldom meet a zoomer chick who doesn't have some form of mental illness past or present. Even ones in school. Some of the preppier Asian yuppie types are fine, but that might be suppression given their culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 03:34 AM
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Nothing is real anymore — fleeting online friendships, your relationships with your teachers, the price of a chocolate bar. Everything is either inauthentic or 30% more expensive than it should be. Everything is fake or inflated. Hoeflation is certainly real — there’s that infamous 4chan post about how average dudes have to work twice as hard for women who are two times as worse as their grandmothers. That’s real. It’ll take catastrophe to get things back to equilibrium, which I’m not really hop…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 07:24 PM
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Competition is up, but the paywall definitely suppresses your profile. When I was overseas I’d get fairly consistent matches, but they’d dry up after a week or two. Pay for a Boost and BOOM — 20+ matches on sight. Basically means they were hiding my profile from chicks who would otherwise have swiped right. These apps are evil and I’m hesitant to get back on them, especially since I’m back in the West. But hard to deny it’s the most efficient way of lining up dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 07:20 PM
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If you’re a decent looking guy overseas it’s not even about the money for most chicks, and those who say that are either ignorant to the experience or bitter. Can attest, went to LatAm and have been to Asia. I do alright where I’m from but nowhere near close to how I do there. The talent is also otherworldly — can’t walk two blocks without seeing a showstopper.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 07:16 PM
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This is 100% true.. and the reason so many guys are getting floored / snapping to reality is because it’s attractive women who are revealing their hands — the women all guys want. Just witnessing most attractive chicks fold on sight for conventionally attractive men is enough blackpilling for anyone with a sliver of self-awareness. It’s insane that millennia of organized patriarchy suppressed this, because social media has really brought to the forefront how much looks matter to women. Most of u…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 07:12 PM
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I'm not really sure what your definition of "good face and good skin" really is. If you really are, you should have at least a little success. Then again, your autism might be a bigger factor than I can account for. 5'7 also doesn't help. Visiting Asia at that height, even SE Asia, isn't a noticeable difference from the native pop. I've been to both LatAm + Asia at 5'10 and I'm taller than 80% of dudes. You could get a Korean perm and try LatAm. Food is good in many countries if you strike out a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 07:29 AM
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This is where the nuance kicks in -- as much as your average dude is at a pretty recognizable disadvantage these days, we can't really just rely on the good will of men to push us forward. Men are human beings, many aren't good nor decent, and many can get set off like a loose cannon. There need to be safeguards and avenues for people to make their own way when shit hits the fan. Women's education and employment opportunities are necessary for this reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 03:18 AM
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Another ass take from "former manwhore" lmao "I really wish people like you" I don't think about you at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 03:30 AM
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Therapy, for most, is a waste of time. There are cases where it works, no doubt. But the culture of "healing" and therapy as a one-size-fits-all for people is ridiculous. Blind leading the blind in many cases too -- mentally ill washouts who want some semblance of control over themselves and others. That's been my second-and experience. What gets people out of a funk / out of the blues is results, and learning to harness the volatility of failure and success. The truth is you're going to be reje…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 11:42 PM
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Deez nuts. Y'all would look for m'source and m'study to prove more women pee sitting down. Any dude who's seen an attractive woman swipe knows she'll like less than 5% of dudes on her feed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 07:34 AM
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Everything just comes down to this -- in a free society where women participate equally in the workforce, it will just be tough forever because they refuse to date down. They'll choose dudes who hurt them because those dudes have options. If you want an attractive woman, you become that dude or you fold.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 07:25 AM
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The ratio is an obvious problem for men but the 80/20 [more like 90/10] aspect reigns supreme. In other words, it would even matter if if the ratio was 50-50 -- women will STILL only swipe on 5-10% of whatever men are available.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 01:54 AM
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Interesting take, I agree with it to some degree. When I look at people who have it made, or even myself, I have to attribute a ton of their success to some inherent advantage. Family backing, a great voice, height, a movie star smile -- things totally out of our control. The incel argument that average / below-average girls and "Chads" are inflating the dating market, and it has a ton of credence if you just step outside and live life a little. This whole phenomenon is based on factors out of o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 09:13 PM
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"I think I want a girl with a flat stomach" Bruuuuuuuuhhhh hahahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 08:13 PM
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Unless you've got heavy eye contact, or it comes out of an organic conversation, approaching at the gym just because you're interested seldom works out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 08:12 PM
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Never rudely rejected, usually just immaturely. Girl tells me she "doesn't drink" when I ask her out for one, after the subject coming up several times in conversation. Setting up a date well in advance, girl coming up with some other activity just a few hours prior to the time agreed on. It can weigh down on you, but gotta get those reps in.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 08:09 PM
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Damn she ain't wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 10:32 PM
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Never really understood this until living in a few places abroad. Everything is so robotic and rigid unless you get lucky -- I was fortunate to land a couple of great friend groups when I was younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 10:29 PM
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Most dudes can tell you that when they’re in a funk, they start tweaking. Energy is a bit lower, moving with more uncertainty, and maybe even a bit of desperation. You’re not “on” like you are when you’re getting laid / making headway. I can’t imagine what it’s like for dudes not getting action years on end. I’m a strong believer that having consistent sex with a woman you actually desire can fix many issues in a young man’s life. I’ve experienced it and seen it happen firsthand on too many occa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 10:17 AM
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They don’t. And if you’re not good looking, everyone can tell. True confidence comes from overcoming the volatility of failure and success. You would be confident if you won all the time, but it would become closer to arrogance, hubris. Dudes who aren’t accustomed to this fake it and get put on blast easy. Of course if you’re good looking, you can get away with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 10:11 AM
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Environment is indeed everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 09:48 AM
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The man has a point there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 09:46 AM
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Mid-20’s. Been with girls as young as 19 at my age. Haven’t met a seriously mature / compatible one — the thought is nice but most are usually in a different stage in their lives. Also been with significantly older, 5-7 years. My last LTR was in this range. Great maturity, poise — well-adjusted, attractive women usually hit their stride around 26-29. It can get testy looks-wise depending on genes after that. I’d have to go younger because I want a big family, so mainly a time issue. Also the rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 09:38 AM
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He oughtta move to NYC.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 07:14 AM
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TBF height is only a major problem in the West -- women don't gaf anywhere else in the world. Height is also only a factor if you're average / ugly. You can still looksmaxx and make it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 07:14 AM
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I said it’s barely real / is not a problem anymore. So no, not a thing. Nearly mythical for most.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:52 PM
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Don’t even have to make it that dramatic — give him any ONE of a weak chin, thinning hair, or slight facial assymetry and it’s a wrap. Facial aesthetics are king — even dudes who do well who don’t have strong features at least have decent facial harmony. And are at least 5’7.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:50 PM
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This guy gets it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:47 PM
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In the current meta, I’d say Looksmaxxing until you’re satisfied / not comfortable anymore is the soundest advice. The blackpill is rough but witnessing the power of looks firsthand from pretty much every attractive girl you’ve ever interacted with should be enough proof of it’s efficacy. If somebody isn’t willing to take that advice, there’s not much more to be done.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:46 PM
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I agree, but I also think that many of these forums actually give actionable recommendations (eat better, looksmaxx, vocal coach, surgerymaxx) which most are afraid to dole out. The incel approach is at least effective in that it preaches that even though you’ll never reach the heights of Chad, it’s often worth it to exhaust all your resources before you give in.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:43 PM
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Overcoming this limiting belief, as tempting and truthful as it is, is one of the first steps toward freedom. Whether you decide to date or not, breaking free from these sorts of thoughts is crucial.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:41 PM
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I agree with most of what original commenter said except this — this advice is borderline harmful if you’re actually interested in dating. You need some clout or to go where the women are, it’s as simple as that. If you don’t tailor your hobbies around that at least partially, you’re going to stay exactly where you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:38 PM
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The “version” you speak of is a spectre propagated by the dudes that actually receive female attention, and is pathetically mimicked by dudes with no sauce. It’s a gimmick which tons of women fall for. Toxic masculinity is not at all espoused in modern Western society. A majority of men are raised by women, have female teachers (leaders) all throughout adolescence, and are taught that their needs are evil and that they should control them to protect women. I’ve been to / lived in countries where…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:34 PM
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“Toxic masculinity”, which is barely real / a problem anymore, has little to do with this. It is our culture of narcissism. Constant one-upmanship, celebrity worship, overnight success and social media makes everybody think they have to be a queen / king who lords over others. This hits boys harder than girls because the threshold to get desirable attention is way higher. Average girls can post a selfie or post something mildly intellectual or provocative to receive attention. Average boys have …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:24 PM
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I will concede that a for a ton of dudes, their loneliness is their own fault at least partially. They bitch incessantly about TRP clips they watched on Fresh and Fit, or are constantly in blame / complain mode for every little thing. But if you grew up in a rocky home, didn’t have your needs met / voice heard, or were bullied even marginally, you don’t really stand a chance if you have standards for who you associate with. A lot of dudes get let down from a young age, then enter a phase of life…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:20 PM
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Have enough attractive female friends / acquaintances and exes responding “ew” to a completely normal looking dude to prove otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:14 PM
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Was in an LTR for several incredible years, but certain elements brought it to a close. Tested the waters as a mid-20s dude and it’s definitely been easier than when I was a young cat. However, the juice almost always isn’t worth the squeeze — juggling convos, chasing dopamine spikes, planning it out. Social media has ruined a lot of the organic experience I got when I was in late high school and college — hell, by the time I hit college it had already begun to take its toll. To respond to OP, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:10 PM
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I won’t even disagree, lots of dudes have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to early rejection. They seek out younger women to get some reprieve, much like I imagine younger women seek out much older men to get some modicum of control they lost when they were young. But a lot of it is about attraction and practicality. Younger women are more physically attractive, often more pleasant, and more energetic. If you want lots of kids, even starting to date a woman at 28 can be an affront to that…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:05 PM
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I’ll have what you’re smokin’. The definition of a “goblin” changes with each new year and each passive swipe. 10 years ago, Steve Buscemi was a goblin. Today, 5’10 Eric from accounting with a head full of hair and all his teeth is a goblin. Steve Buscemi is now Beelzebub incarnate.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:02 PM
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Be attractive or everything else is out the window. It’s one of the only bulletproof TRP principles, since most are inconsistent — you can’t negotiate desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 06:59 PM
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Body count for a dude usually means very little. What matters is the overall quality, and how quickly a guy can develop momentum. Any dude with a car, a head of hair, and an IQ over 80 can rack up a 20-count if he makes it his life’s pursuit. But that dude will never bag 8s on the regular if his life depended on it. One of the biggest “Chads” I knew was a close friend who bagged them all over the board with some level of ease and consistency. Attractive chicks would approach him at the club, gra…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 06:58 PM
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As I get older I’ve come to believe that it’s nearly impossible for the average woman and man to experience the same amount of rejection. There are exceptions, no doubt, but dudes get punched in the teeth constantly in a way that women can’t really relate to. This is part of our nature, of course. Men take way more risks in their business and health, so it comes with the territory. But to see even risk-averse men experience some pretty soul-crushing rejection as early as grade school leaves litt…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 06:51 PM
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The only thing I know for sure is that women don’t know what they want until they see it or something clicks. Seen it all. Babes lovey-dovey with their abusive, 6’3 boyfriend right after he disrespected her in front of his friends or curb-stomped some poor pleb in a street fight. Girls starry-eyed over the 5’6 expediter at an upscale restaurant, ignoring Chads left right and center. Chicks giving a dude the cold shoulder for a whole night or even years on end, only for him to make one funny joke…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 06:47 PM
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This wouldn’t be such a big deal if it was all bottom feeders falling for it — but it’s attractive women who get themselves into it time and again. I think that’s what sets struggling dudes off the most. If I were an incel or a dude struggling, I’d be pissed as hell. When I see dudes confused and frustrated about it, I get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 06:10 PM
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You’re my fave incel fanfic troller by far bro — makes this sub worth the follow!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 05:57 PM
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I see men and women being equal on an individual basis. There are women I know who are more responsible, keener than me just like I do men, and vice versa. They are men and women I respect and seek counsel from. The idea that we’re universally equal on average is ridiculous and a product of the times. Our world, supported by advanced technology, has made this mirage possible. Anybody who’s worked manual labor or a rough job actually necessary for a functional society knows that men and women are…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 05:53 PM
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I'm clearly on one side for most of these debates but this dude's taste for incel fanfics is just off the charts lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 09:07 AM
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Always cool hearing perspectives such as these. There's nuance everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 08:52 AM
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You’re discounting that you experienced it at all, which is the crux of the matter
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 04:53 PM
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Can't disagree, but again depends on the dude. You gotta find what works for you -- the abrasive, aggresive type that TRP preaches doesn't work for most. Energetic and aloof can pay dividends for more guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 04:46 AM
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That's real. It's all part of the game for most guys, but many can find what works for them if they stick with it. It's a trial and error issue and most give in early, especially if their early experiences are traumatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 03:48 AM
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You can emulate this as best you can if you're above average, but it's can get tiring to keep up the facade if it doesn't come naturally to you. It's basically imitating that "glow" you get after smashing a hottie -- Chads have this aura all the time, and they don't have to fake it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 03:38 AM
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Only two exceptions: You're a complete toothpick or 300lbs. Working out will get you out of this phase. Working out will help you lose fat in your face, accentuate your features. Work out anyways because it's great for your health, but don't expect crazy results.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 03:36 AM
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Everybody has a different threshold, but anything higher than zero is at least a start.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 03:12 AM
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The best kept secret is that when you've had casual sex enough as an above average dude, you'll most likely realize that the juice isn't worth the squeeze. It will be sobering for a bit, but will also help stem the nasty bits of envy that you're talking about that your friends experience. But you'll never get there UNLESS you get some results first.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 01:45 AM
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Family member — recent grad, mid 20s, average face, balding, no job and picky about it. Just has negative game, doesn’t know how to create a vibe. Will usually resort to rhetorical convos about books he’s read, talking about jobs. It’s not autism but it’s something in that vicinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 07:02 PM
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The reason the West can be lame is because we talk a big game. Women practically half naked on a night out, the pervasiveness of thirst traps online, but when it comes to real-life sexual tension and relationships, it usually falls flat. LatAm people are way more open about it, chill about it, which naturally leads to more sex. The idea of sex is so robotic, played out in North America.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 07:00 PM
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So many variables. To me, nothing beats that late high school / college libido with somebody you really care about. The best part is that you have the gears for it — stamina diminishes with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 06:57 PM
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Women aren’t like men in that they’ll approach / play ball if they’re attracted enough. How many dudes you know faun over a girl either in person or online and never make a move? If a girl is down for you she’ll make her interest known.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 06:51 PM
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I think some dudes fall for the psyop that women care about “effort” when it comes to attraction — so they’ll cop the Zara peacoat, get a $50 haircut, and hit the gym / slug expensive protein shakes. This might work for some if you have the genes / charisma to begin with. For many it’s a dead end, if not a terrible effort vs reward payout — congrats, you now have 1 tinder match instead of zero. If anything, looking like you’re trying is repulsive to many women. Looksmaxxing your face, getting as…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 06:47 PM
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You need a base level of attraction while young when your testosterone changes your face -- if you have a baby face / bad assymetry when you're a young man, ten more years isn't going to change that. Hair loss, if you have skin in the game, can be a death sentence for tons of dudes depending on their face and status. Whereas I used to see tons of young balding guys get girlfriends growing up, I rarely see it now. Being on the road you meet tons of dudes in their 30s all over the spectrum of attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 08:32 PM
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Tons of men luv whores for a while, maybe a night. Many of them will luv whores for life -- most will get over it, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 08:30 PM
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I could care less -- those people aren't your friends. Everbody wants to win, everybody wants to achieve their goals. You gotta live with yourself at the end of the day. Dudes who can't handle petty ridicule and gossip may as well not even try -- it comes with the territory.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 08:28 PM
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Good to see people waking up to this. Women don't care if you're a good person when it comes to attraction -- and if they do it's not high on their list.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 08:27 PM
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Nah how about it’s as simple as dudes don’t want a headache? Being with a combative partner, I can only imagine, is exhausting. I’ve seen it suck the life force out of dudes I know — waiting on their partner’s reply, getting berated / made fun of by their girl in front of others, having no say on what they’d like to do for a date or a function. Not only is it pathetic, but nobody wins either. Submissiveness means no headaches, it means getting with the program. If the girl is down for it it’s a …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 07:45 PM
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Patently false. This is for women who have kids late. Nothing keeps a woman looking younger than having kids young and a pleasant attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 05:09 PM
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Dudes have to really think about what they want — if you want kids, who you choose to marry is everything. She has no obligation to listen to you or play ball like women used to. The world is getting tougher and tougher, socially and financially. Raising kids well in the digital age requires firmness and attention, more so than it ever has.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:34 AM
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It’s almost as if people get harbour thoughts and opinions they don’t express IRL. Incel humor is hilarious, you’re dense.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 06:34 PM
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The inevitability of any movement or concept is that it gets watered down — in a capitalist system, everything gets watered down, making it ripe for commodification. TRP isn’t a new idea, so it’s become very prone to this phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 06:21 PM
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Nah you’re a bot but that jerk off king diss is one I’ll add to my arsenal
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 06:20 PM
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Some dude made an agro rant about how whites who flee to Asia don’t get decent / top tier women, which is pretty much contradicted by everyone’s second hand experience on the matter. Average white dudes tend to do great in China, and the chicks they bag tend to be decent too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 05:12 PM
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If dude kept the previous haircut he’s a hard 6 or 7. Salute.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 06:25 PM
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Lot of young dudes’ problems boil down to caring a fuck ton about what women think. Shit seeps into your subconscious and affects your demeanour, career choice, political stance. Key is to genuinely NGAF. Then everything falls into line.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 01:21 AM
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Seen this story a million times, I believe it. Chad's self-awareness is non-existent, life just comes to him. I've known 3 Chads in my life, ran through chicks like napkins. Always ended up with a "homely" type below his looksmatch, or a slightly above average Becky with some notches. Most people are doing fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 01:18 AM
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Don't stand for it, clear and simple. Be respectful, be kind, but don't go out of your way -- the brooding, moody, and easy-to-anger route that TRP preaches only works for Chads or chicks that are already into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 01:13 AM
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Do fine back home, took an extended stay in LatAm for the summer. Chicks barely asked me about my job or my education during dates, while many attended some of the best universities down there. Many even had parents who owned Airbnb's, and several offered to pay. A couple of clingers, but most of them told me to hit them up in a year or two when I'm back. Not to mention way more attractive on average. Comments like these tell me you're either bitter, jealous, or just repeating a talking point. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 01:00 AM
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Is this a copy pasta? When's the last time you left the house?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 12:55 AM
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It's so over! It never began! Amen!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 12:51 AM
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This is what I came here for 🥂
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 07:28 PM
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Accept it or looksmaxx!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 05:36 PM
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I’ve had both — both are fine. Relationship with father is more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 05:35 PM
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Can relate to this pretty aptly. While abroad, able to walk a ton and even two-a-day workouts. Less work, low stress = more to do, out and about. Able to drop fat without much thought. Not a Chad by any means, but way more looks and hook-ups sent my way. Thought I was tweaking about the sex bit -- you're spot on. Just not as good as when you're carbed up and the blood is flowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 01:43 AM
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Busy living! Not much time to scroll through cats’ post history and seethe lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 07:12 PM
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Some do, most don’t. This is the story of the internet at large — most don’t take action. TRP and the blackpill is amazing if you go out and apply it, find out it works or it doesn’t, and act accordingly. Most people need a healthy dose of reality to achieve happiness. You can’t do that reading theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 06:51 PM
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This guy got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 06:22 PM
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Whether or not these personas are real, IMO, is irrelevant. It’s how much we attach ourselves to them. Fantasy guides the trajectory for our lives — for many, it is a healthy dose of inspiration that enriches our lives and strengthens their motivations. For most, unable to harness the torment of the eternal carrot-on-a-stick [porn is a great example], it’s a hellscape. The rising tide of mental illness and anti-depressant usage in the West correlates perfectly with the rise of technology and soc…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 06:20 PM
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Wall isn’t real, can’t stress this to cats enough. Older women aren’t really my thing, but if women play their cards right and remain pleasant, they’ll be fine. Many such cases. Dudes in here fighting ghosts. Go get yours, make moves to end the bitterness.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 05:30 PM
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If you’re still paying attention to Tate, or any of this bs You’ve lost the plot
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 04:51 AM
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St. Blackopscel2 — pray for us!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 06:19 PM
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Since when has this ever been a deal breaker for women if he’s attractive? Every dude and their grandma knows a girl who obsessed over / stayed with a dude like this
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 06:17 PM
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Women’s fear is warranted — our skeletal muscular structure outmatches them, we’ve got test coming out our ears. Any man can exact considerable physical harm on your average woman, and the same can’t be said vice-versa. Women do choose, though. I’ve rarely seen them take any accountability, like many have noted in this thread. But it’s a matter of acceptance — responsibility will always be incumbent upon men at the end of the day. The faster you accept this the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 07:40 PM
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Women care about face and the elusive “vibe” more than anything else — everything else are just bells and whistles, or lack thereof. They don’t even have to be objectively good-looking — I’ve had this convo with many women in my life, and some dudes just have a face that attracts or is at least comfortable or trustworthy. An excellent example is the famous tech YouTuber Marques Brownlee. Whenever I mention or show a pic of this guy, women always say he has a trustworthy face — symmetrical, norma…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 05:00 PM
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I’ve rarely if ever seen height alone get somebody put on game. I have seen super short guys get obliterated though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 04:58 PM
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Hair transplants and minor cosmetic surgeries that only require small incisions can set you back less than 10k in full. If you’re really that ugly / insecure, it could be worth it for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 03:11 AM
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Living in the real world is keeeeey
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 08:08 PM
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This dude has to be a chatgpt troll. Got the most punchable Redditor rhetoric I’ve seen on this sub lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 07:00 AM
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Came to this sub to avoid the typical soy prince Redditor “you, my good sir, get an upvote!” cess, and I can now see this sub is a lost cause with this post. Cool it with the fake ass rhetorical questions posed as genuine concern and confusion — these are incels, not toddlers lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 06:59 AM
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Don’t listen to what any of the locos say in this sub. Terminally online some of these cats lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 04:33 AM
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Barely seen a fighter with a fox, rarely see a bodybuilder-type with one either. At least in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 10:55 PM
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Getting deeper into it, this is just a consequence of capitalism. Women entering the workforce post-war was inevitable, and governments / corporations worked in tandem to make this a reality. In our system, you either make things cheaper or build better products. Cheapening labor has been a game decades in the making, and we are now suffering the consequences of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 10:40 PM
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Women definitely reach a better, overall baseline of happiness being in the home with kids -- this is the core conservative talking point. The problem is three things: This is no longer possible given the economic state of the world, at least in the West. Women don't want to deal with men. This complaint isn't groundless, it's similar on the male end just with fewer options. Life is complicated, women are complicated. Many of them genuinely don't want to have kids and a family. It doesn't make t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 09:00 PM
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Go cry in the coupe lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 05:51 PM
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It brings out the truth since it reflects both the darkest and most beautiful aspects of individual realities. The price of authenticity is lower than it is in the real world here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 02:53 AM
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No validation in that game. No closeness nor intimacy. So they gots'ta nut, but on certain terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 02:50 AM
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They're here for a bag, and not much more than that. Many will be helped and learn something -- most won't. Good news is that this gold rush is coming to an end. The Internet is maturing, and its users along with it. Dudes, especially Gen Z, inundated with TikTok thottery, a shite economy, and the "promises of diversity" are in for a rude awakening when they find out that "dread" game and V-neck tees aren't going to get them into cheeks. Average dudes with high ambitions and self-awareness are g…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 06:50 AM
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Charlie Munger came out in a live talk recently and claimed that greed isn’t what runs the world — it’s envy. I believe it. Dudes from the 50s to the 90s lived in a godsend era, the likes of which will probably never be seen again. Getting married was the pinnacle of success, most could swing it, and your competition was always a stone’s throw away, never more. Envy was contained. Now for normies, envy is anywhere and everywhere. Why be happy locked down with Becky if Chad can rail Stacy 8 days …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 08:19 AM
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Cus deez boys gots’ta nut!!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 08:10 AM
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You can keep calling out unfairness and get zero play Or you can stop listening to what these chicks have to say, looksmaxx, and get your Johnson copped. Choice is yours!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 08:10 AM
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You don’t get the depth of human experience by playing it safe and detaching, even if it’ll get you results in the physical world. People want to feel things — a part of women luv the toxicity, a part of men luv unbridled lust and dominion. Hell, I think people even enjoy failure — self-sabotage is a real thing. It’s intelligent to see people as just people, but the emotional payoff is meager. We want heroes, we want villains, we want somebody to blame and a reason for things to be as they are. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 09:04 PM
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There’s levels to this game, but you’re pretty much spot on. When you see a dude grovelling at the feet of a girl he’s punching above his weight with though, the self-esteem bit doesn’t even come into the equation; shit just makes sense. For a vast majority of cases, though, it does come down to self esteem and projection. Also lack of experience — some guys really think women are damsels in distress. Think they’re morally pure, Disney princesses at their core. Life is more complicated than that…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 09:00 PM
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Attractive people have it easier — in other news… This sub has devolved into cess. Looksmaxx and get social, or buck up and get back to Warhammer. Not everybody is gonna make it out!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 05:08 PM
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Women naturally attract attention due to their innate value, especially physically attractive ones. Sperm is cheap in comparison. Most can relate when you see even a semi-attractive woman and want to get to know her. You could pass by a thousand men each day and not get remotely the same feeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 05:05 PM
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This dude gets it. The proliferation of safe work and the tide of capitalism made women’s participation in labor inevitable. Current historiography labels any time before this era as inherently oppressive when at the end of the day, male and female roles were a necessary dichotomy to raise children in a difficult world. Despite common day rhetoric, the dichotomy’s necessity remains.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 02:43 AM
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If dudes were rational this place wouldn’t exist. Tons of dude here, upon some basic introspection, should know why they’re here — they don’t have what it takes to get what they want. It’s irrational given the circumstances, since the logic is clear — women want a certain kind of guy. If you’re not happy with your dating life, you’re not that guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 10:51 PM
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If any "TRP" principle holds true, it is that men are only as faithful as their options.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 08:47 PM
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It is difficult to divorce sexual arousal from objectification. While the female sexual fantasy is often associated with being "taken", the male sexual fantasy is associating with "taking". The parts of the brain that light up for male arousal are the same when operating a tool / machinery with strong focus. Why do you think the experience of being infatuated, hating somebody, lusting for somebody, or religious epiphany / immersion are all described with this level of obsession from a male lens?…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 08:44 PM
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Keeping up with the joneses is a problem that ails the West irrespective of dating. It's a natural byproduct of capitalism -- those who have less self-awareness / critical thinking skills are more prone to it, regardless of relationship status.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 08:34 PM
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It oversimplifies shit [like any concept or philosophy tends to do], so it's not a one size fits all. Average guys can't "neg" a girl or use dread to attract her. Vast majority of 30+ year old dudes cannot bag 18-year old hotties on the left. Spinning plates is not a viable strategy for most guys. It's sold as a general principle because humans luv to generalize. Other than that, it makes people angry, and keeps them that way. TRP doesn't have a safety net, it doesn't have avenues out of its ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 08:32 PM
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There are a ton of false paradigms / principles that have gone unchecked in the manosphere for what seems like decades now -- males aging like wine and "grinding until you're 30, no dating" are two of my favorites. I'm in my mid-20's and already have friends gaining weight, losing hair, and smoking on that Netflix and video games pack. These guys never did great, and the wall has hit them whether they like it or not. However, if you take care of yourself and keep your hair, there's a lot of bene…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 08:28 PM
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Some form of eugenics is real and we just refuse to believe it. Being objectively good-looking is going to trump everything at the end of the day, nothing beats it. Why do you think women going through IVF / sperm banks only choose sperm from dudes over 5'10 and full heads of hair?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 08:22 PM
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I’ve been to LatAm and Asia. Friend groups / couples range in age from 18-35. As long as you’re fun, decent looking, and have something to offer, it’s a way more open environment. It’s the same in Europe from what I’ve heard. They don’t see it as some sort of “predatory” behavior by men — tons of chicks have dated older guys and seen it as either a positive experience or just normal. It’s largely and almost exclusively a North American issue where people get uptight about age difference, namely …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 06:34 AM
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Depending on your genes and libido, sexual fantasy for men is a bottomless well that most won’t be able to live out even a smidgen of. It’s an eternal carrot on a stick and the root of a lot if not most of male downfall. Scripture discusses this issue constantly. The faster you mature, get over it, and buy into your purpose, the better. Working on this myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 06:29 AM
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Problem is something has most dudes by the balls — their job, their girl, their deep-seated insecurities. This world isn’t built for men to find their flow. Rent, taxes, nagging chicks, HR, toxic news cycle telling them they’re the problem. No way out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 03:54 AM
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Said it here and I’ll say it again — women, namely attractive ones, don’t care if you’re a good person. Dudes have been hoodwinked into believing this. Chicks who gaslight men on their moral failing when they voice frustration should be disregarded. I think I’m a decent guy — it’s never factored into a woman’s attraction to me. In deciding to enter a relationship? Sure, it could and does factor. It’s not high on the list at all though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:31 PM
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Heightpill is real but I've never seen it work crazy IRL. Looks has always been the biggest factor so long as you're of average height.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:41 AM
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Damn she ain't wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:38 AM
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I guess getting a girlfriend is a form of success, but I don't think that's what this question is insinuating. OP said "killing the game" -- this means getting high quality dates they desire on a semi-consistent basis at a minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:23 AM
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Did you manage to snag any of his game?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:56 AM
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Tall, white, handsome with good hair has always been my experience as the immediate go-to. You go anywhere in the world, these guys run the show. Personality is so distant, it may as well be void. Had a close friend in college who did pretty well -- could bag decent girls on Tinder within a few days, always got approached at parties and drinking games. He was Asian, but with really great hair, a good jaw, and relatively muscular, not that tall. He had a really positive approach toward life, peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:56 AM
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If that's in your DNA, sure. If you're an above average male who wants 6s 7s and 8s, the dude speaks the truth. The beta bucks trope is overplayed -- if you're not Chad you're paying to get laid in one way or another 90% of the time, get over it. $20 in Latin America gets you some good food and drinks, a night out, maybe even an Uber. $20 in the US gets you both a scoop of ice cream.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 12:42 AM
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Chicks go to Europe to hook up / find a travel boyfriend all the time. Know a couple girls who went to Italy / Greece, couldn’t shut up about their time there for this reason. The stigma is mainly against dudes who bottom feed — fat lazy guys, autists who can’t swing it back home. Thailand comes to mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 06:55 PM
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Yeah I live here and learning to fight the urge myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 09:32 AM
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A 5-6 year age gap isn't "significantly older" Idk that's your opinion lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 08:18 AM
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The insulation in the West is a primary culprit of this issue. In the West you either have "it" or you don't. No reliance on close family for support, either. Hustle culture, car culture, and consumerism have stymied male growth, a lot of which increases women's value and also their elusiveness. Problems like this aren't as affluent in Asia and Latin America. I've got family in both these places and the problems are not nearly as stark for the average person [namely male].
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 05:16 AM
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you’re marrying together two families. A fundamental misunderstanding in the West that has had disastrous consequences. Marrying for love is a myth and a rash decision -- you marry into a lifestyle, a community, and a commitment sanctified by God or by both families. This is how it should be done.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 05:13 AM
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I don't know who's saying this. Certain age gaps are ridiculous (20 and 45 for example). This is not that common. Almost every attractive / semi-attractive young woman I know has dated someone significantly older than them (5-10 years older).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 04:44 AM
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Traveled for a bit, built up a roster pretty quick in countries I was in, in my mid-20's. If I stayed longer I definitely could have had a solid rotation. It was miles and away easier, more fun, and better than any experience I've had in the West -- even in college. Chicks were also better looking where I was at. I understand women, and people at large, are more laid back when traveling -- what I experienced is something of a microcosm of real life. But there's something about making eye contact…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 04:40 AM
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This term has been pathologized in recent years -- another victim of the culture. We are inherently codependent as a species, overattachment is its own separate issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 11:35 PM
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Be good looking. Be normal. Have social proof. These are the things that matter — not whatever contrived paradigms / lazy Internet idioms these girls keep spitting!!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 09:24 PM
2

Your presumption / attempts at humor are ass but I do respect your tag if true!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 09:22 PM
2

You have to find your angle. Some dudes do really well with the “friend” approach. Trial and error. Stacking L’s is a must — the Internet has given most dudes a buffer against this. You have to lose to find your sauce.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 09:21 PM
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“Just have no expectations bro!!” Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 09:19 PM
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It’s a personality type and a lot of social conditioning. I feel like many if not most guys have had oneitis, even a couple dudes I know who slay. It can be beat but it takes time — nearly impossible when your test and hormones are raging like an ape sub-25.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 09:18 PM
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The thing that gets a lot of dudes fucked up is the ghost of Chad. “Chad can treat a woman like trash, why can’t I??” It’s a thing of envy. Women burn low-tier dudes who do this, but it makes a lot of sense that experiencing this would get you frustrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 09:17 PM
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Can agree — women aren’t about helping the average man, and why would they when there’s nothing in it for them? I’ve been recommended to a girl by other chicks less than a handful of times; from what I’ve heard, this used to be commonplace. I’ve rarely seen it happen IRL unless the dude the girl is referring is really attractive (which barely makes a difference in the end). Social proof is important, but you can’t rely on women to do you any favours. It just doesn’t happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 09:15 PM
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Tough for a lot of guys to get around this because of the bitterness and frustration — but it’s one of the few ways out. For better or worse, dudes had a lock on the game back in the day because men collectively didn’t really care about what women thought. Now even most dudes who claim this have a hard time feeling secure about women’s opinion of them. Chad or not, stop caring what they think.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 09:12 PM
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Women on this sub refuse to learn the fundamentals about TRP theory Why would they if they don't have to? Women are closer to nature, and when they're young life comes to them. I wouldn't listen to any theory if I was them either. Point is that dudes don't have to buy into it. Girls want a good time with a cool, good-looking dude -- don't have to overcomplicate anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 08:58 PM
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Nah bro. Being ugly is much worse
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 07:11 PM
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Not even gonna disagree with you. It's all fucked up. We're slaves to it. Some more than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 05:05 AM
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It's a paradox that dudes need to head out to find an SO / romantic interest without the expectation of not linking up or finding a romantic interest. It's a weird ass situation that can't be amended. Dudes and girls used to go to bars and dances specifically because they wanted to link up -- now it's only dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 04:08 AM
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All this proves is that more people are getting frustrated, as TRP has continued to preach over the years. Their solutions, however, are not one-size-fits-all, and won't work for many, if not most of people who come to it for answers. The best thing TRP can do is help young cats change course -- that's it. The truth is that most women will not admit is that being average / below average male with a modicum of self-awareness will destroy you mentally and emotionally in the West. Dudes who continu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 01:29 AM
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Environment is key. Positioning is key.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:39 PM
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Average / below average men don’t exist to chicks, get the memo!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 09:16 AM
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If anything this sub is good at, it’s running in circles. We’ve well established that women care about looks — it’s the first and most important barrier. The video drives it home further. Best advice is to stop listening to these chicks. They don’t know what they want until they see it. Get your looks up and learn social cues, it’ll improve your odds you’ll be that dude when the time comes — if that’s indeed what you want!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:48 AM
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Another thing to note: better-looking, wealthier people tend to have more conventionally attractive children in the West, and perhaps everywhere at large. Top-notch opportunities and events are all situated in coastal cities and commercial hubs -- good-looking women from all over the country congregate in these areas for these reasons. These opportunities are only available to better-looking and affluent people to begin with. Relatedly, you'll rarely see a movie star or influential businessman w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 12:42 AM
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Yes as I can see the autism identification is mutual between us lol but the point stands
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 11:52 PM
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It's less talked about but men experience this too. Landed two hotties who basically fell into my lap straight into first-year college -- one of them was even a customer at my work and asked me out. I was on cloud 9 thinking I'd landed Chad status, but it pretty much fucked my self-perception since I convinced myself I didn't need to put any work in. One year dry spell later, I finally realized I had to make a change and get in the mix. I can relate to the level of confidence this experience imb…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 09:51 PM
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The dude in this post is autistic af but you probably need to get out more if you've never seen this happen / this hasn't happened to you
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 09:45 PM
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Writers, however you want to criticize them, got their jobs because they're able to reflect complex facets of human nature in their fiction. Many TRP truths are referred to by cinema in general -- young womens' obsession with bad boys, the nature of competition, and the AF / BB theories to mention a few.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 03:53 AM
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Girls just wanna have fun. Simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 07:27 PM
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We met this new set of friends and several of them were taller and better looking than me, while having a similar personality. Especially brutal. My heart goes out to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 01:51 AM
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Nah he could be short, ugly, and self-aware.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 01:50 AM
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Looksmaxx to high heaven. Get social, even when you don't feel like it. Rejection ought to punch you in the teeth if you're not used to it. You shouldn't bow out until you're thoroughly sure you gave it your best shot. Pray.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 01:43 AM
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Well in our current culture, men aren't allowed to voice their desire for more sex. So as a morally virtuous and progressive woman, you should return the favor!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:41 AM
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They're definitely going to be less bent up about it. Dudes who don't garner the validation and sexual relief from a relationship are bound to get frustrated and either take that energy out on themselves or others. Naturally, men with a higher sex drive feel this most fervidly. Men with lower sex drives definitely feel it less, but I'd hazard that even a low sex drive in men can be considerable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:22 AM
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Locking a chick down, at the end of the day, is about guaranteed sexual access for men. There are bells and whistles, there are benefits to moving in with and marrying aside from sex [many of them amazing], but dudes don't decide to start a life living with their friends and signing contract over it. Sex is the single biggest factor for getting into a committed relationship -- we just won't admit it as a society. By now, most on this sub understand that men are extremely sex-driven -- they want …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 03:35 AM
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The American 10 of the late 90's and early 2000's was a complete manufacturing job by the American media. None of Sarah Jessica Parker, Julia Roberts, Amanda Bynes, Cameron Diaz or the like are 10's like the media made them out to be -- attractive, yes. Not sex symbols. On an objective basis of sex appeal and looks, actresses like the above mentioned don't hold a candle remotely close to the Angelina Jolies or Nicole Kidmans of Hollywood -- yet somehow they managed to convince us.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 03:31 AM
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Always has to do with the smile and attitude if she's below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 03:27 AM
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Cus deez dudes gots'ta nut it's simple lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 03:27 AM
1

The wall isn't real. Now that I have your attention, it actually is, but nowhere near what it's made out to be. The only thing real about it is related to the number of quality options a woman receives. Women who are attractive in their 20's and don't age horribly will have viable options until they're well into their 50's. Seen it time and again -- you look decent and reasonable expectations, you'll be fine
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 03:26 AM
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I want to emphasise nothing about my personality changed, I’m still the same old nerdy kid I was 7 years ago. I changed very little about my personality, but a lot about my attitude which got me more success. But nothing got me more success than cutting body fat, changing my style up slightly, and getting my hairline fixed. Looksmaxx or bust, there aren't many other surefire moves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 03:23 AM
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The looks threshold is king and every woman has her threshold. What isn't talked about as much here, and I've noticed through my life, is that the more attractive you are, the higher your threshold tends to be, especially as a woman. I've seen very attractive chicks with non-panty-droppers -- they still looked decent. I've also been with girls I knew I was punching above my weight with lookswise -- I knew I was just handsome enough, and something else carried me through. Looks are quickly becomi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 03:20 AM
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Men's educational outcomes? They're getting worse. But you don't see men's scholarships. When it's time to pass out money in educational institutions men can get fucked. Unless, of course, they work their asses off and out-compete everyone else (aka make themselves useful to others, which is pretty much the sole value society places on men). Government initiatives? Pfft. There's WIC, otherwise known as the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children. Oh, but you're a …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 07:46 PM
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There is something wrong with that given the circumstances. Women giving their sons a pass when they act out and coddling them only works well if they're lucky, and the kid is just inclined to be a decent person there's a decent dude around to check her son These two requirements are becoming increasingly rare. Dudes growing up aimless and angry, and women still think that they need to "figure it out" on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 07:37 PM
2

I admire the grind of not fucking. Salute.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 07:31 PM
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Chad is a simple concept -- a man who can bag attractive women with relative ease on a consistent basis if he chooses. Brad Pitt is a Chad -- even pushing sixty, his facial harmony, masucline frame, wealth, and status would still reel in attractive 20-somethings on near-demand. Mick Jagger is a Chad -- ugly as sin, but a once-in-a-lifetime rockstar and playboy. The head expediter at an upscale restaurant chain is also a Chad -- gets in good with all the waitresses, but doesn't have to be the bes…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 07:36 AM
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I came upon the RP in my first-year of college after a string of hook-ups then coming up dry. I was pretty impressed with the knowledge, and like many, not satisfied with my dating life. I found many of the tactics worked, and even if they didn't, they were presented in a logical way. At the same time, I have witnessed the fall of the RP in real time. Tons of "gurus" and PUA's have been exposed, the "wall" certainly isn't as real as it's made out to be, and treating women like shit to open their…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 07:32 AM
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As for #6, considering if you’d want your daughter dating an older guy, and why or why not, is a valid question Some of those lengthier age gaps made a lot of sense when fathers were looking for their daughter's security. It's not as relevant anymore, and borderline creepy when it gets to a certain point, but you've still got some of these girls screeching about any age gap of 5+ years being "predatory". They simultaneously claim women are independent and have their own agency -- basically playi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 07:16 AM
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When I was in college, making a girl nut was sufficient to keep her on the roster for a while. A few years have passed since then -- I barely use the apps, but I'm noticing the change you've mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 07:12 AM
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People rarely see drastic changes in the realm of dating success, at least outwardly to the world. Dudes who slayed in high school slayed in college, slay now in young adulthood. Most of the dudes who did alright in high school do a little better later on. Some dudes get puberty hitting them like a truck, or find that one thing that gives them an edge, but it's extremely rare -- seen it happen once or twice. Average dudes stay average -- same applies to every other demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 07:09 AM
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You've gotta be a troll. Visit any college party or traveler's hostel and you'll be proven deathly mistaken.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 07:06 AM
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It is difficult to debate that our society does not forcefeed us the image of prim, perfect women from a young age. I've also been told that it can be very difficult for a man to find happiness if he's not at the top of the food chain -- and I've seen this idea come to fruition as I've gotten older. As the top comment says -- we'll never be able to explore the depths of either side. Both perspectives have their unique difficulties.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 07:04 AM
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I can't imagine any greater gift in this world (besides a loving and healthy family) than being born objectively beautiful. In the modern world, where practically all our basic needs are met tenfold, aesthetic beauty is the biggest game changer in life quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 07:02 AM
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This is not so much an "RP truth" as it is a word of caution for younger cats out there. It does vary from man to man, but the well of your sexual fantasies can seem bottomless when you're young (14-22). Fantasy guides the trajectory of your life, and can destroy you if you don't get a hold on it. A vast majority of men will not even live out a smidgen of their sexual desires. Dudes are being inundated with TikTok thottery, self-improvement porn, and the promises of m'diversity that keep these d…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 06:59 AM
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So dudes who don't text back and keep these chicks on their toes get all the play, all the perks. Kind and communicative chump gets all the baggage, responsibility, and holding out. And girls wonder why these dudes are bitter lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 05:43 AM
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Being attracted to somebody seldom has anything to do with kindness -- you either feel the vibe or you don't. You can be civil to someone who does you a kindness -- it's not going to attract you to them. That belief of yours is a result of what kind of person you are, not what kind of people women in general are. Deferring blame -- classic behavior on this sub. Nah, I know plenty of great chicks, kind, hard-working who've been taken advantage of by dudes. It's usually their first boyfriend or so…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 05:41 AM
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Your personal situation doesn't disprove the point. Kindness is alright for maintaining a relationship -- it doesn't get you into cheeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 05:36 AM
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Women don't care if you're a good person. At the end of the day, most women don't know what they want until they see it, and it's rarely ever kindness, compassion, or qualities of the like. I can speak about this from personal experience and from dudes I know who slay -- being a decent guy rarely ever makes the list when it comes to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 05:49 PM
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Lost cause
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 05:12 PM
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“socializing” is different these days. Liking a post IS socializing. Most monumental cope I've ever seen. Perfect microcosm of the autism on this sub as a whole lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 05:12 PM
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It's not going anywhere, especially with the rise of single motherhood. Growing up, one of my parents was working pretty constantly, with the other parent bussing us over to activities and keeping us occupied in the house (for better or for worse). This setup is near impossible in single parent households, unless the parent is super engaged and high energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 04:58 PM
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As a side note, Halloween used to be bumping in my neighborhood -- middle-class, maybe on the upper side, with well over 100 kids visiting our place from year to year. Got like 10 kids this year. Can't imagine not screwing around with your friends, going house to house, popping fire crackers in between. In my line of work, noticing a ton of dudes just lounging inside rather than heading out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 04:55 PM
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Women do not need men in the overt sense that they have since the beginning of time ie. here's a man in front of me, I am cold and alone, I need a provider. In the West, despite its flaws, we have developed a paradise of physical resources where women no longer need this sort of support like they used to. They can feed, clothe, and shelter themselves working from almost any cushy desk job. However, much like motherhood is the backbone of any society, men provide the backbone of society through a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 06:53 PM
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I admire your optimism and actually agree with it, but the Stephen Hawking example is played out. Dude is a world-renowned, generational scientist. There's a dude with cerebral palsy in a famous documentary called King Gimp who also got married. These are the exceptional few. Take a look at who they ended up with as well -- palsy dude basically got what you'd expect, and Felicity Jones from the Hawking biopic is nowhere near an accurate depiction of the chicks he bagged IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 06:44 PM
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You can whine about it or you can get laid. Of course if you look at it the way you are currently, you've already lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 06:40 PM
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It's pretty wild how much cognitive dissonance a woman can experience when giving dudes "advice", or straight up refusing to help them. Bunch of women I've both been with / am friends with have talked about getting a "fix" by getting laid. I wouldn't mind helping them out, and their girls wouldn't mind either. Meanwhile, almost no chick would ever give a dude genuine advice to help him get laid, nor effectively wing woman for that dude either. Many women would rather see this desire as something…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 07:53 AM
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Nah bro -- some dudes are just that ugly, that socially inept, or that repulsive. Shit happens, the world can be ruthless. Even if it's 1% of dudes, that's still tens of millions of dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 07:49 AM
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My number one advice is that dudes need to looksmaxx and get social -- unfortunately, you can't have one without the other if you want to get it made these days. Your experience is a testament to this idea. Hope things are going better for you!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 07:47 AM
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It's either they don't know it or they refuse to believe it. On the other hand, this is just the way of the world -- when shit goes south, it'll always be the man's fault, and it will always be the man's responsibility to fix it. Dudes with the right positioning and intelligence can work these situations out to their advantage -- average / useless dudes will stay getting shit on.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 07:44 AM
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The ghost of Chad remains undefeated -- all dudes with a modicum of self-awareness feel this pinch to a certain degree. The girls they pine over are giving everything up to Chad for free, and yet they need to play by the rules. Completely understandable that they're upset. However, at the end of the day, you have to play the cards you're dealt. Dudes need to looksmaxx, get social, and accept they're not Chad -- it's your only way into the game, and only way out of your misery!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 07:42 AM
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Take a trip down r/hingeapp, r/tinder, or any other fuckass OLD sub on here -- dudes are not lazy, they just don't get the memo [u r ugly]. It doesn't help that the dudes / chicks who pile on their input don't help them at all. "Yeah change your 3rd question" "Take a photo with you smiling" "Don't include that interest, it's off-putting". Garbage through and through.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 04:20 AM
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You're always paying for pussy one way or another -- time or money-wise. You can choose to be oblivious to this fact, and in my experience, it benefits your life as a whole if you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 04:17 AM
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Average looking women are penalized far more for everything than highly attractive women, because highly attractive people get away with everything in general. Being objectively / considerably good-looking is quickly becoming the game-changer in modern society where all of our basic needs have been met. Good-looking people net high quality dates on demand, score better working opportunities, can get away with more bullshit, and have an all-around better lifestyle at large. There are currently wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 04:16 AM
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Our culture pedestalizes individual "truths" opposed to any objective, shared "truth" as it did for centuries. Generalizations generally do not fit the narrative of those bone-headed enough to cling to exceptions, and they love to make a fuss about it. People also weaponize generalizations according to their prerogatives -- nobody is ever happy. Take, for instance, the question of age gaps. There are groups of women who are adamant that gaps of 5 years or more, especially the younger the girl is…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 04:09 AM
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The quality of this sub's content has gone down considerably in the 4 short months I've been here, so I'll disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 04:00 AM
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Everything eventually devolves into cess / mediocrity on this fuckass website -- hell, it's the story of the Internet as a whole. I've been on Reddit since 2013 before it was a breeding ground for basement dwellers and sex addicts, not to mention "libbed" up to the gills -- it's not remotely the same anymore, as is the natural order of things. The truth is never black and white, and cats are never going to get the reprieve they desire on this sub, this website, or any other for that matter -- th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 03:59 AM
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You choose above average / good-looking man every single time, I don't care who you are. If we're at baseline /average, it gets complicated. I know plenty of people, men and women, who don't care about sex and intimacy that much. If I'm that kind of person, I'll probably take male for reasons of safety.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 03:52 AM
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Seems like you're researched up, don't disagree with anything you'e mentioned. Truly feel for those lads. Hair systems could work. My recommendation is, of course, to exhaust all your resources until throwing in the towel.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 03:50 AM
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Transplant life-changing. Decided to get one mid-20's -- when else are you going to be this active and have max options in the dating pool? Everything is about looksmaxxing and finding your stride socially now. Dudes have to invest into these two things if they really matter to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 10:02 PM
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It is at least partially instinctive -- men woo and impress women to gain sexual access throughout the animal kingdom. With women being far more selective, it is incumbent on most men to take how women perceive them seriously. It was far easier for men when women relied on them for their leadership and labor in the past. Times have changed -- women no longer overtly need men (they still need them covertly, but this is a different convo). Naturally, the emphasis on aesthetic attraction and social…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 11:45 PM
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Pre-selection is a thing, tons of guys have experienced it first-hand -- women like men desired by other women, especially by women they are close to or look up to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 11:41 PM
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Worst take by far. Not rooted in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 10:36 PM
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I've cared more than any woman I've ever been with. Cousin got knocked up in a third world country when I was young. The backlash / fallout traumatized me for a long while, always wore a rubber through college.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 10:32 PM
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If you determine effectiveness or your value on what other people say or think, that’s automatically your problem. A ridiculous thing to say. Imagine getting absolutely no external validation from doing / saying what you deem to be right or a "good try". Of course, ideally, people reach the state you're talking about -- they never arrive there without the help, validation, and support of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 11:59 PM
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It comes from within, but this never comes to fruition for a majority of people unless they get some form of external validation from time to time. Otherwise, you have no idea if what you're doing is effective, or if you actually have value to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 08:23 PM
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Car culture is the great killer of poon for tons of dudes. The suburbs is where your sex life goes to die -- looksmaxx and get social!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 06:20 PM
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If your sole goal is dating, attracting, and having sex with the hottest women regularly, quite literally nothing matters except being at the top of that ladder. The truth shall set you free. If RP has done anything positive, it has shown a ton of dudes how being a "good person" and conning your way into cheeks will not work for them. The recurring problem is that they take an approach on the opposite end of the spectrum and become like ton of the autists you see in this sub. I think some action…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 06:19 PM
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If this post is coming from a woman, then you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what drives and fulfills men, and you are conflating "doing well" with security. The mental health crisis is a perfect microcosm of this issue. Women are prescribing feminine solutions to men to treat loneliness and mental illness -- the classic "go to therapy" trope comes to mind. Men in crisis do not find fulfillment in feminine pursuits like excessive introspection and "talking about it". They find it in comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 06:10 PM
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It's overblown, and limited to a certain demographic. But the 304's they have on Fresh and Fit, by the grace of God, are a minority. Few of my buddies from college rolled in fraternities, and told me that the girls who racked a ton of bodies were a minority, and had their own "sub-group" of girls who had the same lifestyle. I find this mirrors real life in many communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 12:23 AM
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The terms of the game have changed. Adult women are liberated, educated individuals who can make up their own minds and choose freely. Men will abide by these rules, confirm consent, and treat women with basic human dignity. Dudes need to play by the rules, treat women with respect, and stop caring about what Internet people say about these topics. A 40 year-old with an 18-year old is quite ridiculous in my mind, but there's a lot more nuance in everyone's lives that can't be accounted for with …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 12:21 AM
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Women don't want to be with anybody on their scale of "average"; this is the key factor at play. For a woman to sleep / commit to a man, they need to have traits that make them irreplaceable for at least a night, if not year's on end. Dudes who can't live up to that expectation won't get laid -- simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 11:23 PM
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I posted a similar thought months ago, more akin to how seeking status was stupid advice if you're trying to get laid. I amended my perspective based on the comments in the thread and reflection of my own life. Status can absolutely be cultivated to get you laid in social settings, but they're often contained and you need to demonstrate value in a "smooth" way. These can be clubs, workplaces, classroom settings, whichever. It's the reason why tons of guys rack up bodies and develop robust social…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 02:01 AM
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Also attracts a ton of socially inept men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 09:18 PM
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Car culture has a lot to do with this, and the rise of big box monopolies in every major entertainment sector. Licensing and taxes for small business is also a hellscape in many places in the West -- let people set up shop where they want. This doesn't discount the power of demographics and culture, but it's a start.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 09:02 PM
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A lot of men are so attention-starved that they cannot comprehend the idea of ever getting tired of a woman’s attention. Some truth to this. It's like anything else -- you have to experience it to believe it. Money doesn't matter to the rich because they've been there / they're living it. Tell that to someone poor, it'll never change their opinion. Dudes who fuck attractive chicks semi-casually don't give a shit because they've been there / they're living it. Tell that to any attention-starved f…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 02:19 AM
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Anger is necessary to change your situation -- the problem with TRP content and shills is that they keep you there forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 02:16 AM
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Yeah you ain't wrong... almost everything that that has to do with social / dating life has a looks threshold involved. Thanks for clarifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 12:57 AM
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There's cheap game that PUA snake oil salesmen peddle and there's genuine game, which any high profile salesman or social butterfly is aware of. Genuine attraction exists, and it's something you have to cultivate and not overthink. If you look at someone or something and tell yourself "I want to be closer to it" or "I want to know it better", all your actions toward it will come from a place of genuine interest. Game is really just developing vibes, but it's pretty much impossible if you're forc…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 05:01 PM
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This dude gets it. RP autists think that befriending women at all is inherently stupid, but it can be a viable strategy as a supplement to the rest of your life. A lot of it comes down to mindset -- if you're friends with women because you want to fuck them, that energy comes off sleazy. It sounds insane in some of these circles, but treating women with basic human dignity can actually get you into some cheeks if you have the right attitude toward it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 04:56 PM
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start debating gender wars, throwing off the whole vibe and ruining everybody’s night lol. In their defence, it's not always topics this controversial -- just niche or seriously grave topics that they feel strongly about, but doesn't resonate with a majority of people. Men like this feel attached to these subjects because it gives them a sense of agency and differentiation from a world that feels alien to them -- I'd know, I did it myself when I was young. I do agree with the vibe bit though -- …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 04:53 PM
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A lot of men are not social beings, they are not driven by having a social life. It’s exhausting to them. They just want a partner. For your average or below average man, this is simply not an option anymore. In the defence of many of these men, the string of rejection they'll experience if they even try to develop a social circle is extremely painful and desperate without mentorship. Consider a male, no social circle, even dabbling for months at a time consistently in an effort to socialize and…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 04:50 PM
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Appropriate BMI, attractive face, capable cook, hardline alt-right Catho-fascist politically. Yes, I am all three.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 07:59 PM
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Mansplaining is a knee-jerk psyop generated as a response to the early 2010's Ben Shabino wave of cookie cutter conservatism -- it is a myth.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 05:34 PM
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My personal experience says much less -- only met 2-3 genuine Chads in my young life. Different circles will bear different results, of course. I'd say around 50% of dudes can con their way into some cheeks now and then though. Dudes need to looksmaxx and get social!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 05:32 PM
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Probably, sometimes. All of my buddies do fine but we use incel jibes and RP terms in a fun way. We also understand there's a lot of underlying truth to some of the concepts. Some of them can be helpful in the field or to brush things off when they go south. For blue-pill normies and Chads, none of this shit registers, because both parties are living in the clouds. If you're deadset on the Disney-pill or popping poon like tic tacs, the need to make sense of the world like RP or PPD does will nev…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 05:30 PM
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To me it screams narcissism. Water is wet. Avoid these types. Not all women are like this -- many acknowledge that men are dogs and their looks are getting them where they want to be. Dated a couple girls in tech who understand fully that being a woman is their meal ticket -- honesty is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 05:25 PM
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Your second clause requires more nuance -- sure, at 18-20, girls are looking within their own pool. They don't give a shit about wealth or power, since within their circles, looks and social group status are usually what matters most. Tons of women over 25 tend not to give a shit anymore -- anyone whose over 30 and fits the bill (usually meets a looks threshold) will do the trick.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 05:21 PM
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I understand this from your point of view because I've witnessed it -- men acting under the guise of maturity to score vulnerable younger chicks, and ultimately ruin them. Jeffrey Epstein didn't exploit impoverished third world women -- he found emotionally starved and abused women right at home in the US. It's no question that young men in the world need mentorship, both from men and women. When boys act out, we know why. We have no such common understanding about women. Women who seek out and …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 05:16 PM
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Tons of dudes are still under the delusion that women care about what they do or think as a monolith -- they don't, they worry about what the dudes they desire think. This is a fundamental divide in the gender relations convo, since men seem to care quite a bit more about what women think in general than vice-versa. Women absolutely don't have to care about men who care about n-count in general -- until it's a guy they want. Then depending on the intensity of her attraction / how committed she i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 06:45 PM
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Number of matches mean nothing to me personally -- if I'm choosing between 100 land whales and 5 solid cuties, I'll always take the latter. The problem will always come down to your looks -- maybe your profile, depending on what app you're using and if it's really that abysmal. OLD is 95% about looks -- change your looks, change the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 06:41 PM
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Definitely men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 06:39 PM
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Plenty of women don't. The world is not the Internet (although it is quickly becoming so). You'll find that in the real world, things like this barely come up, and you can swat them quick if you encounter them -- pay these people no mind if you don't want to. People who have fostered genuine connection with others understand that these issues only become relevant later down the line. You can click with somebody without knowing anything about their name, their past, which political party they ali…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 06:38 PM
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Having been here for a year of my life while young, I can attest that many probably do. Many men in the manosphere are being sold the lie that "do what you live, be on your purpose, and they'll come". It's a cop out of a Wu-Tang quote that's been enshrined in self-help / motivation pages for a decade now -- and it's utter horse shit. You need to get out there, you need to get into the mix unless you're Chad (in which case, your options will be made abundantly clear to you early on).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 07:09 PM
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You learn nothing from this in a direct sense -- Tom Brady is a 0.000001% man, and his wife is in the same group on her end. They don't live like us -- they may as well be another race. You shouldn't extrapolate anything about women's nature, divorce-rape, or any other cookie cutter RP principles from this situation. What you can learn is that being your own person and buying into your skills and your trade will always help you in the long run. You may not be a highly coveted woman, a financial …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 06:58 PM
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Right on -- get in the mix, or accept life's terms and bow out. In this day and age, I applaud any and every dude who takes either route with a full heart. The lame shit is the "one-foot-in, one-foot-out" guys, or the ones who take a side and just complain like on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 06:49 PM
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This dude gets it. Worst advice coming out of manosphere Twitter -- "keep your head down until you're 30, then you can date". What a crock of shit. Learning to communicate with women is a large part of learning to just interact with people -- you have to get in the mix, you have to get rejected. The Internet has created a buffer between everyone -- no rejection stings that badly, yet no victory feels quite as sweet as it could be. It's malaise, through and through, and people are miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 06:46 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 06:44 PM
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Too many maxims. Too many rules on both sides. Life is more complicated than "all women are whores", "all men are scumbags", "men age like wine", "women age like milk" -- who'da thunk it? People should be doing what gets them results. I grew up in a religious households and held myself to too many concrete beliefs -- I learned to integrate those as I got older, and learned that the only one who has to live with myself is me. This comes with maturity and experience. You want to geomax and score h…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 06:43 PM
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Dudes have never had a problem admitting that they flex their bodies and resources for women. Women manipulate this issue when it suits them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 04:59 PM
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Get off TikTok. Gremlins like that chick only feel strong on the Internet -- you could go your whole life avoiding that shit IRL if you have a smidgen of social awareness, let alone dignity.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 04:36 PM
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find settings where you can organically meet, make friends and take things slow with no expectations on what might come next Gotta bust through those early strings of rejection to come out the other side, get in the mix as much as possible. If you're out to get laid and not built especially tall, good-looking, or skilled, you can gain a bad reputation fast -- it's important to be temper your expectations and foster genuine interest in others.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 11:19 PM
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Endless neuroticism -- dudes can't even make eye contact with another dude let alone a woman and resort to these studies instead. Eventually you have to stop asking "why" and pound pavement, do anything. The Internet was a mistake lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 10:53 PM
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But not every guy can make that choice. It took a lot of time and soul searching to realize that fuck em, even if most girls are wishing for a Chibs that doesn't exist, I'll just keep looking for someone who appreciates my positives and tolerates my negatives. Attained this mentality recently after a lot of work, a lot of fuck-its, a lot of trial and error. You're 100% on the dot -- tons of dudes can't swing it, or reach even a modicum of success in their personal and sex lives to reach this poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 07:01 AM
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Academia has spread so much autism about super straightforward subjects it's appalling. It's common sense -- an average dude is going to have a harder time because he knows he's fucked the minute he steps back into the field. If he manages to avoid this pitfall, it's because he's either deluded or is confident enough in his game / qualities from prior experience. Would you be a bumbling mess of a man if you knew you could fuck Becky a couple days after a break-up? My guess would be no.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 06:54 PM
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The issue is women don't need men anymore. You're right in the sense that women no longer need men in the overt sense (here's a man in front of me, I need him for XYZ reasons). We have grown up in parasocial utopos where we have no gratitude nor awareness of the people and systems who make our lifestyles possible. Men still run a majority of the behind-the-scenes operations which make all our lifestyles possible -- sewage systems, power lines, construction, etc. Your later reply sums it up prett…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:07 PM
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Dudes spend too much time looking at screens and not enough time actually socializing. They hated him because he spoke the truth. We are dealing with the aftershock of surprise-female-emancipation over the last 60 years, and the market is finally reaching its "correction" (women don't need us like they used to anymore, they care about looks and the vibe you bring). Dudes up until the 00's could get away with being average, but social media and OLD has changed the game, and it's here to stay. Dud…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:02 PM
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Social media Car culture in the West The second plays into community structures which have disintegrated over the past several decades, as well as the erasure of the "third place" (work, social clubs, church, etc.). Social media has been a net negative for society as a whole, at least a majority of the apps. Older cats shoot back by saying "it helps me connect with friends and family". Bullshit -- start a Whatsapp group or give them a phone call. Social media really only benefits the really good…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:56 PM
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I've read studies / articles that discuss how imbalances in sexual access and gender disparities were at least partially responsible for civil unrest / revolution in the past -- tt's a numbers game at every stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 03:16 PM
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Probably because women spent thousands of years barely even being considered a person. None of those women are you. This is just as useless as when men say "we built the world". You didn't do squat, and none of those women who "weren't people" are you lmao. Men are completely useless. So now that we're living in the present, consider every tradesman, construction worker, power line repairman, mechanic, and physical laborer who makes your lifestyle possible -- almost none of them are women. You l…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 02:10 AM
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My 5'3 extremely funny extremely social friend who also happened to have a really ugly face could not bust a single move at all. Seen this guy just get straight laughed at. It is what it is. I'm glad he can still maintain his happiness despite those circumstances. It would be a hellscape in the West for any dude like this with a modicum of self-awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 02:06 AM
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older short guy Yeah, we'll pass on your advice. The rules of the game have changed, with height becoming a significant factor in the West over the past ten years. Dudes who dated in the 90's and 00's have very little to offer this generation, as can be seen from the plethora of oldheads running the manosphere these days (eg. Richard Cooper). Being short isn't a death sentence, but it certainly is if you're average or ugly -- which most men happen to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 02:04 AM
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Yes -- $ for a bus ride vs a plane ticket is quite different though, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 10:33 PM
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Not once did I complain about quality, it's simply an opinion lmao. I bring the best version of myself to the table and sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. I don't play catch up to get it made, that's not my style.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 09:27 PM
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It definitely changes, it's not immutable -- but it's a waste of my time, personally, to consciously change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 09:17 PM
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One thing that RP preaches that has been correct in my experience, is that "you can't negotiate desire". You can't know what is going to change someone's opinion, so gearing your approach toward "convincing" them is asinine. I've had a girl practically squealing when I bought them a $2 pretzel during their lunch break, and girls I've paid for meal dates who will barely look my way. There's no way for me to tell which one of these works -- the die was cast before I even entered the room.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 08:05 PM
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Can relate. They have to at least respond positively to the sight of you and have a modicum of engagement. Anything to the contrary is 95% a lost cause unless she's really that lonely or horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 08:02 PM
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It 100% happens. Had this conversation with the boys, a little ego boosting if you will. I've had a girl take a 2h bus ride to come see me. Loads of dudes have girls come over at odd hours of the night or after a long work day over a text to "cuddle". One of my friends had a girl fly over from the next province / state over to surprise him -- they weren't even dating. Rich dudes fly girls over all the time. If it's little to no investment from you, why wouldn't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 07:55 PM
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The possibility of harm brought about my the physical prowess of man is an inherent danger to women -- it's basically what allowed men to run the show for all of history. It's lame that women take men's restraint for granted (eg. snarky comments, hitting men), but it's also reasonable that they are cautious of male intent -- your average male can enact violence in a way that is incomparable to any average female.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 07:30 PM
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I've heard here that if you are in your early 20s and 30s and you are still not taken Not sure who's telling you this. People peak at different times, life is a rollercoaster. For all the shit that RP peddles, there's some truth to how men peak a bit later -- know quite a few dudes who just start hitting their stride 25-27. Same with women. A bunch of women I've known / dated really came into their own around 26-29. They're more sure of themselves, have their makeup and body right after making t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 03:29 AM
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Stop gassing up these women and playing the long hopeful game and always move on if they don’t show interest. 100% agree with your post except this one -- keep these girls on as friends, especially if they're hot or cool. Stay playful, stay fun. Can be a huge asset socially, and can often blossom into something more.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 02:41 AM
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Yep. This happens a lot. Males will flip on women. Say one thing to secure easier access to sex. It would happen less if women accessed mentorship and counsel more readily, especially from good men who know the signs. Every chick I know who got caught in a shitty cycle of casual sex had a lack of positive male models in her life. Boys act out and we know the reason -- we don't address this nearly as much with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 02:37 AM
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If casual sex is a perk, why would you be asking for a relationship to begin with. You may be buying into the "hook-up vs relationship" dynamic that a lot of PPD dudes get into and are curious about. Only people who've done both know the truth -- both are good and bad in their own ways, there's not necessarily a "better" option. Casual sex wouldn't happen if it didn't at least partially benefit both parties in some ways -- pleasure and validation are the perks. This doesn't discount the perks of…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 02:31 AM
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The solution is to go for no sex before marriage. I wouldn't even discount this as a solution, as unrealistic as it may be. Gatekeeping sex and does increase its value if a society is willing to uphold these ideals. It's more complicated than this though -- women need to agree to this dynamic, and men need to be more so mentors than authoritarians. Take the Middle East as an example of where it doesn't work great.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 02:22 AM
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Men have to fight to obtain something the majority of women don’t want to begin with because we aren’t men with vaginas. Actions speak louder than words. If men want access to women yeah they’re the pursuers and they better bust out that cane. Not saying they don't. Like you’re mad at evolution. I'm really not. I'm explaining there's a reason why the dynamic exists. Imagine thinking you actually said something here. I did. Stay mad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 05:39 PM
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I haven't seen anything about AF / BB implying women have high sex drives -- only that they have selective sex drives and use them strategically as they get older. Why would she stop? Maybe because she's in it for the bag and there's no raw attraction, like she has with a Chad? That's the AF / BB I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 04:56 PM
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Good list. Virgin is unlikely, but it is what it is. Go for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 04:49 PM
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Worst take on here by far. Some women want this -- most women just say they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 04:48 PM
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Only know a few of gay dudes but they do complain about this. It could be the prolific sex lives they all all seem to have access to which makes them quite a bit less bitchy than straight dudes in this aspect lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 04:47 PM
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Everyone starts out young, horny and stupid. Male sex drive is more demonized than ever. Men deserve / are owed nothing sexually. Women deserve everything they could conceivably desire and more. Men have to fight for and be impressive to attain casual sex. Women just need to show up and choose -- often, they choose poorly and come out on the losing end. There's a reason the dynamic behind this idea exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 04:38 PM
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This dude gets it. The truth is that the minority of dudes who can get casual sex know the game they're playing -- everything is a placeholder, everything is temporary. Even dudes who slay can't be overly picky, because the kind of girls they're dealing with are often going to live the same life as them. Loads of these dudes are chill with this dynamic, and will even take these girls into a LT relationship without much thought. Hell, you can take Hollywood as an example or even the NBA, which sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 04:34 PM
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That means destigmatizing sex. The issue of destigmatization changes from case to case, culture to culture. Promiscuity is lower in Asian culture where the culture heavily stigmatizes sex. Sex is arguably more destigmatized than ever in the West, and women continue to only go for the top percentage of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 04:29 PM
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Women do not consider casual sex a perk. Given that women will only casually fuck a dude they respect / have raw attraction to, and generally enjoy sex / intimacy, we may also have a difference in opinion on the definition of "perk".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 04:10 PM
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it’s not one a woman is likely to choose just because you’re safe "but settling for a safe, consistent choice" So which one is it? None of this addresses the man's perspective which I offered. Hot, dumb guy gets all the perks, you get the long-term commitment and potentially the trauma to boot. Before you chime in that the man gets the perks of that LT commitment, marriage doesn't mean anything anymore. Women aren't really expected to do anything in these relationships anymore, with men expectin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 04:03 PM
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Men would have a point if women were regularly and knowingly letting super hot men just have harems of women that were strictly devoted to them. Women trade up all the time, until they can't. You're not responding to any of my points.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 03:49 PM
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While empathetic, it's eerie how there seems to be an excuse for any conceivable situation a woman finds herself in.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 03:45 PM
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so it’s the reaction towards the rejection? Yes. Men have been fooled into earning attraction. It's probably a residual effect of Medieval chivalry which seeped into media and entertainment into the 19th and 20th centuries. Old habits die hard. Men who don't have guidance in the aspect of dating are in for a rough go unless they're good looking. Most men are navigating it solo with the rise of single motherhood -- enter RP as an addictive antidote.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 03:43 PM
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Women choose who they sleep with which leads to weeding out who can possibly marry them. There are shitty men out there. Men do shitty things -- nobody is discounting this. But relationships are complex, and I've yet to find any woman who takes even the slightest accountability for allowing, even promoting bad behaviour and sticking around when they can leave at any time. It's obviously complex, people get attached, but nobody forced you to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 03:39 PM
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"but settling for a safe consistent choice." "I've been with men who don't care about me and given them the common denominator of any relationship (sex) basically for free, but you get to stay with me and potentially provide for me forever because you're safe and I love you." Lmao I love women and am all for them making their own choices but you can't make this shit up sometimes. There's no misunderstanding here. This dynamic is a real thing, and it sucks for dudes. Any dude who locks up a chick…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 03:35 PM
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This is a dicey topic. Something tells me OP is not Asian / hasn't been close to an Asian community. Asian parents are notoriously strict and play by the book -- they raise girls like boys, so to speak. They are generally successful in this endeavour, and culture plays a huge role (honor, shame, duty). But there are always exceptions, there's always fallout. Some girls just go their own way, or they respond poorly to discipline. Anyone who comes from a big family, or even has siblings, know how …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 03:22 PM
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It all comes down to handling rejection. You can attribute it to loads of reasons -- childhood trauma, high school drama, genetics -- but if a dude handles rejection poorly, he falls into the "nice guy" category. A dude who hits up girls and merely tries to "earn" attraction or attention is just a simp, not a nice guy. If he gets laid out of it, more power to him (not counting on it though lol).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 03:18 PM
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Power difference should therefore be logically determined on a case by case before judging whether a situation is fair. No -- not in the case of dating. Women have played their hand in asking for equality -- there are benefits, and accompanying fallouts and responsibility that comes with that choice. We have consigned ourselves to the maxim that "no one owes anybody anything but consent and basic respect". Men will play by those rules, and of course women can complain, but you can't always have …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 03:08 PM
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we need some type of chemistry too because the girl just can't simply be beautiful and that be enough It depends. If she's hot and into you, it will be enough in the short term. She'll make it fun enough to hang out and bang with little work on your part -- that's the power of infatuation. But in the long term, personality absolutely matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:38 PM
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Everyone has this innate desire for justice and display strong wishful thinking showing their bias towards some "fair world". It's crazy how immersed we get into this paradigm from a young age -- even the edgiest types, like doomers, atheists, and commies still get in the mix because of the minute possibility of acceptance and ascension. The truth is that not everyone is going to make it, and it's simply a numbers game. There will be a social reckoning in 5-10 years when tons of Zoomers and the …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:36 PM
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People are shallow and getting shallower. With each swipe, like, post, comment -- it's getting worse. It slowly decays your ability to connect in the real world for most people. Everything is pornography -- filters, lighting, geotags, captions. It fundamentally warps your perception of others and yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:32 PM
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It does matter, but it's so elusive that it's barely worth mentioning. Women are indeed attracted to different personalities, but looks take precedent, and as mentioned in this thread -- the better looking you are, the more you can get away with. I could be going full-autist, talking to the floor after a first impression, and if she's into me, it wouldn't even matter what I say. I'd say I bagged a girl with my "personality" once, and it was the most wholesome and lasting relationship I had. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:29 PM
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I have an aunt and she's even admitted to me that she did not break up with her abusive ass ex-husband because she thought she would never find a man as handsome as him. This is truly fucked and a tragedy for those kids. Pains me to say I've heard similar stories, just not nearly as extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:25 PM
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It can be a challenge depending on where you live, so give yourself some time to navigate this aspect -- avoid overplanning and overthinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:20 PM
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Looksmaxx to high heaven. Get social, get in the mix, even when you don't feel like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 03:09 AM
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Agreed. It's all about the compounding effect. It takes living much of your life in a negative, scarcity-mindset, to experiencing abundance for a stretch as little as a few weeks to understand the shift. But you'll never get that "click" in confidence until you actually experience it yourself. I never knew how elusive it was until I felt it -- I imagine most men never quite do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 03:07 AM
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Tons of cats throw out the "romantic love isn't everything" shpeel -- but seriously, what else is there that measures up? Nothing in my career, my personal life, my hobbies, whatever would quite measure up to moments of total surrender to infatuation or a "click" with somebody else. There's definitely more to life -- it's just that this thing trumps basically every other conceivable moment you could have.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 12:10 AM
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Consequences for women are overblown. She might not get a really great guy she wants because of it, but there will always be dudes waiting in the rafters -- many of them will be winners anyways. Take Hollywood / celebs as a prime example. Plenty of actresses go crazy in their youth and still get picked up and locked up (granted, their looks are still great). Take Brad Pitt / Angelina + Brady / Gisele as prime examples. Tons of men don't care that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 08:21 PM
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Lol it's the reason I don't believe this dude. I could be going full autist, staring at the floor while I speak and if she's into me, it won't matter what I say. Good-looking dudes have this effect on-demand. If your dating life isn't great, you're probably not as handsome as you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 12:40 AM
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So it's not as simple as: "Women always have it easier!" or "Men always have it easier!" It is this simple. The man you speak of in the beginning is a tiny minority of men -- well less than 10%. A vast majority of men, especially if they want an attractive partner, need to fight for it. Women simply don't live the same reality, at least in terms of sexual selection. Even unattractive / average women will be solicited by men well into middle age. No such reality exists for even average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 06:40 PM
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And people hated their Spouse and abused them. Women also poisoned their husbands and martial rape was normal. I don’t get why you want that. Using exceptions to prove a point -- this was far from the norm. Average people lived in average marriages, and these types of abuse were rare. I don't even agree completely with the arrangement -- I'm stating it didn't result in the problems we have today.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 04:25 PM
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I think it's becoming more common for the younger generation based on the social circle you run with. My buddy is a Zoomer and has a group he rolls with who do fine. He also has gamer friends, nerdier types who've never been on a date despite wanting to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 11:42 PM
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If you're average or not that eager to engage in dating, I'd say its chill to not have fucked by 20 -- you could also be unlucky. After your mid-20's it gets a bit shaky.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 11:41 PM
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The culture of hedonistic individualism in the West existent today prioritizes the individual's prerogative above all else. This is where we get the culture of "you don't owe anybody anything". Our culture has generally shifted this attitude toward everything at large -- especially if you're a minority, nothing is your fault and you deserve everything. So naturally, all relationships are a mess, because the individual has to straddle that line between retaining their own individuality and being …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 09:57 PM
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Lmao you just said your dating life was poor. So... which one is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 04:30 PM
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It really has more to do with whether or not the woman finds me attractive than the approach itself. This is it. This is the answer to the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 03:30 PM
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used to separate overthinking beta males from the masculine and assertive men that women end up dating. An RP concept that is overblown, IMO. I've seen bumbling idiots / dudes with no personality score decent looking chicks because they had a good face. Assertive / masculine does fuck-all for short, ugly dudes. I agree with your first part though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 03:29 PM
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But I had very poor dating success If you think you're handsome and your success was poor, then you're not as handsome as you think. There are guys I know who could text a girl and have them over the same night. They would get approached in clubs, women would tell them how handsome they were. They could be out of the game for months and have dates lined up for every day of the week after a couple days on the apps. I've had this experience here and there, but they had it consistently.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 03:27 PM
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Truth is becoming clearer and clearer -- dudes need to get social and looksmaxx!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 03:20 PM
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Tatted up juiceheads tend to be some of the most abrasive and insecure people or are you just projecting that onto them because of your own insecurity? Yes Internet man, I'm projecting. Anyone who puts their body through the ringer to an extreme degree (unless they're a professional bodybuilder) solely for outward appearance is projecting some kind of insecurity -- it doesn't mean they can't be "nice". I may have been remiss on the abrasive part, this has only been my experience sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 03:13 PM
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People like this don't really want to solve the problem, just want to start shit. Fact of the matter is that not just men, but people need incentives to behave well. If it was as easy as "being a decent human being", this sub wouldn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 06:31 AM
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So, excluding anyone I know who RP would consider in the upper echelons of men in terms of looks or status: below that, it depends a lot on their personality, their social networks, and also critically on what they’re looking for and who they tend to date. Basically everything in a nutshell here. Someone here has said that 0.001% of dudes are genuine pantydroppers -- I believe it, since I've only met 2 or 3 guys like this in my lifetime. Everyone else is playing the game in one way or another. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 03:59 AM
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I've met two semi-famous people in my life who 100% slayed when they were in the thick of their careers -- both were in hyper-masculine professions, and both had zero game. OP is right that the hyper-masculine frame isn't what it's made out to be unless you're at the top tier and your status carries you. Tatted-up juiceheads at the gym tend to be some of the most abrasive and insecure types as an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 03:54 AM
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Women are the choosers -- men will do what it takes to get laid. Men will rarely complain about this unless they're getting scraps. It's a fundamental difference between men and women -- men understand that what they bring to the table is all that matters. Adversely, women can never complain enough about the expectations men have for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 03:17 AM
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In a more traditional setting it could work. But you're right, it usually begins with some degree of hooking up beforehand.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 03:14 AM
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Agreed to a degree. People constantly ask which one is better here (LTR or hookup). They're fundamentally different things, and people who can enjoy both worlds will exercise that option without question. I'd say that a great LTR is better than a great hook-up, but that's also a matter of opinion -- why not have both??
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 01:14 AM
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even if you say you don't actually want to participate people will assume you are saying that just to cope with being a reproductive failure Agreed. You can't con your way out of this one either; if you're one of the guys down on his luck, everyone knows there's a reason why. It's not a great place to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 01:12 AM
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You seem to be skipping the fact that those who are successful with gorgeous women also have more options when it comes to LTRs as well as hookups. Best of both worlds. They tend to live better lives in general. Face and height open doors for any person -- better job opportunities, better treatment from strangers, higher levels of trust, more attention on social media. I've said it and seen it before -- objectively attractive people may as well be their own race.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 01:09 AM
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As many refuse to believe in this sub and in general -- physical attraction trumps all. She has to find you at least decently attractive for anything to go anywhere. Even if you set the vibes right and make her feel safe, this will turn into friendship real quick if she's not attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 01:07 AM
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I know so many women whose husbands cheated on them after they've become fat and old or just fat after giving birth. Funny, but on a serious note, we should be doing more to prepare men and couples for this inevitability.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 05:59 PM
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All the rules changed after women's emancipation -- the necessity of the matter evaporated. As soon as the sexes no longer needed one another, the whole concept of marriage also changed from a social contract to one based on "individual choice". We're pretty much just banking on love at this point -- a truly awful, and poorly thought out plan IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 04:36 PM
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There is an infatuation/erotic component to this type of 'love' and it feels great. It is a super high. It's the pinnacle of human existence. I don't fault anyone for envying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 04:33 PM
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We had this arrangement for nearly all of modern history, save the last 60 years, and realistically, the last 40 years. Dudes have been taken for rides since the beginning of time, and that includes the 90's and the 00's. The thing that has fundamentally changed is the Internet -- dudes are beginning to clue in about their competition, the realities of dating, and the most harrowing reality: the chicks they really want don't want them, and are fucking somebody else. The price of freedom is respo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 04:31 PM
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there's this permanent social stigma that men only have to be "strong" either physically or mentally speaking, but also nobody cares male problems either This used to be a trade-off. Men were expected to be these things, but were also given the rewards of respect and authority if they lived up to these expectations. Now men are given nothing but safety and entertainment for their discipline. There are no longer guarantees. This is not meant to foster sympathy, by the way. It is simply the reason…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 06:41 PM
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And even they don't lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 11:30 PM
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Agreed. Any decision you make cuts you out from others. But sex and intimacy really represent the pinnacles of the human experience, much like war does (but without the risk). Consensual sex represents a choice that really no others can hold a candle to -- someone who is willingly with you, completely vulnerable, out of genuine desire and curiosity.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 11:28 PM
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You can look at the progression of marriage as an example. Sexual arousal and activity generally decline as a marriage / partnership continues, so most dudes in their 40's and 50's aren't getting the full gamut of sexual experience they once did. The real learning point is in the details though -- marriage entails shared purpose, children, activities, community, companionship. People's priorities change, and its their sense of purpose that keeps them going. Can you recreate that happiness in you…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 04:26 PM
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TFW gay dudes are more based than the straight peons in this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 04:21 PM
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Not if you want to get laid. Men treat men one way. Women treat women differently. Men treat women differently. Vice-versa. Equality is a scam in a nutshell -- we're all just pretending. We can't be the same sometimes, then not the same at others. That's not equality lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 03:33 AM
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It's a pretty myopic take. Your average dude can't just stroll along an pull this off.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 09:01 PM
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Gigachad is indeed a projection of men onto women -- but it's a projection rooted in reality. Of course women aren't throwing themselves in droves onto the 0.000001% 6'6 actual caricature of Gigachad IRL. They're throwing themselves onto the 6'1 finance bro, the 6'2 semi-pro athlete, or 6'3 handsome dude with no job who just gets on by. It's disillusioning for many men to go after even average girls when they see this sort of behavior, and it's almost always based in reality. Not really making e…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 09:00 PM
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One thing I tend to notice about athletes is that they tend to have well-sculpted facial structure, even if they're not the best looking. Heard of a study that attributes this to higher levels of testosterone, which athletes generally have. Pair this with generally great builds, muscular insertions, and the like, and athletic-types usually do fine on the dating scene. Most of the dudes I know who slay have generally decent, athletic builds.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 08:50 PM
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Met a handful of chicks who stayed with dudes who yelled at them, so it's clearly not a dealbreaker. Most of them ended up dating girls afterwards for a bit, so yelling probably isn't sustainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 07:17 PM
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PSA: Being kind is not a viable mating strategy. You can't earn a partner, you can't earn desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 02:04 AM
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Being a tech hub has created more phone zombies. My buddy was just there for his tech internship. Says he won't go back because its a wasteland if you want to get put on game. Interesting post though. The more you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 08:03 PM
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I would imagine that SF was an incredible place to date for most of its history until lately for the reasons you mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 07:48 PM
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Do you think that the dating situation in New York City is better because a car is unnecessary there? I think it's why it's better in any major city in general. NYC happens to be one of the best. When there are hot, young people wanting to go out 3-4 times a week just around the block, your opportunities increase tenfold by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 06:07 PM
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If this was a true solution then Bumble would have closed the deficit, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 04:43 PM
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Dating is a matter of discrimination and leverage -- someone has more of what you want, or you have a deficit of. It is inherently inequitable. OLD has flipped the leverage in women's favor due to the sheer amount of choice, or perception of choice (whatever you prefer). We all know that online isn't just online anymore -- it seeps into reality constantly. People's experiences online affect their real perceptions, so women will naturally carry their online experiences into the real world just li…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 04:40 PM
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It's not nearly as bad as hellbent RPers make it out to be: The wall is overblown. Women's options decrease, but they never really diminish entirely depending on the woman. Tons of mid-30's and 40's women continue to have dating lives that men don't. Different women age differently. Know some white women with crow's feet by 25 -- know some Asian women who look fantastic at 35. Self-care and genetics are different for every woman. Some women genuinely do not want a family and children. Some peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 02:24 PM
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People who are dating their looksmatch are rarely complaining, nor even on this sub. It's a great number of men and women who are trying to punch even slightly higher over their weight who are complaining. OP is right -- they don't have much of a reason to complain given their odds, especially if they aren't willing to drastically improve their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 04:13 AM
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This dude got the right idea. This is one of 3 subreddits I actually follow because it hasn't fallen into the cess that the rest of Reddit has (unless the mods have their way). Visit any sub like r/hingeapp or r/tinder to see how far the average man can fall from his dignity, when anyone could tell him to lose weight or get facial surgery -- but you never see it happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 02:49 AM
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Just basic logic really Everyone wants good looking women --> good looking women generally want good looking men --> be good looking, have a much higher chance at good looking women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 02:47 AM
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Any dude who's been around the block knows that you gotta tell women what they want to hear from time to time. This goes out the window once you land a chick you really want to be vulnerable with -- funny enough, that's usually when lots of problems begin to surface.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 01:21 AM
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I actually agree with the heart of your post. Most people need to make the hard choice -- learn to manage your expectations, or do everything you can to ascend. There's literally no other way around it. The silver lining is if you're ambitious but not built for the road of successful dating, your expectations do become easier to manage as you age and your personality / priorities change.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 10:41 PM
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You shouldn't give up -- just admit that you'll have to settle for average, as 90% of people have throughout history, or do everything you can to looksmaxx. The RP, and this sub by extension, is built around dudes who want to punch above their weight / bang at least above-average girls. If that's not you, you'll probably be fine, and this sub is just pure entertainment!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 10:36 PM
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You people will say this and then complain about how the world perceives you We live in a physical world where physical results make people happy -- no matter how many times you shout affirmations into the mirror, meditate on your positive qualities, or "work" on yourself. I'm a pretty decent-looking guy, decently tall, and well-rounded -- I still got pummelled by other dudes for many of the girls I really wanted when I was young. No amount of hobbies, "game", or well-roundedness ever put a huge…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 10:28 PM
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Do what you gotta do. Forget the "be-yourself" bullshit -- everyone wears a mask, no matter how beautiful or talented. We live in a physical world, and physical results are what push the needle and make people happy. Stay rooted in yourself and what you're about, but lose the qualms about a complete authentic self when it comes to dating -- looksmaxx to high heaven!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 12:54 PM
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Cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 12:28 PM
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Dudes need to looksmaxx and get social -- particularly seek positions of leadership like yourself. It's the only way out, the only way in!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 12:28 PM
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Height is only really an issue for guys 5’8 and below Even 5'6 if he's good-looking, even decent looking. This isn't a confirmation bias / "I've seen plenty of short dudes.." type shit either -- most dudes who slays has facial aesthetic as their strong point, with height rarely being a central factor. If you live in an area where there's a ton of tall people like Holland, Scandinavia, or East Africa, then yeah you might be fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 12:27 PM
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The average guy is doomed. I was going to disagree with you until I reflected on it. Visit any holiday resort, shopping mall, or Sunday morning brunch and you'll find loads of average dudes with average women. Granted this is reality, but I can't know if it's necessarily a happy one -- my opinion skews towards it being "generally dissatisfied".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 12:23 PM
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Agreed. Get social and looksmaxx are the only solutions. Unfortunately, the social circles that women frequent change depend on where you live. Figuring that out takes time and effort which many either don't have or don't care enough about.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 12:18 PM
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If you have to travel abroad to get laid it means you don't have any game and this game is something that every man should have and practice. I used to think this until I did a summer in LatAm. I always did decent with women in college and afterwards, but I realized how much more fun it was partying and socializing in LatAm than in the West -- mainly because of how much cheaper it was and how social the cultures are. Everything has become incredibly transactional in the West -- pair that with ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 12:14 PM
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Agreed. Women's rights (or any rights, for that matter) don't exist in a state of nature, or unless conferred to them by men. Instability and chaos were traditional gatekeepers of this dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 12:08 PM
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You will never be happy I don't disagree. Next to our laziness, men's inability to be happy is probably our most useful evolutionary trait. Men have been pushing the needle for millennia in search of something, anything to fulfill them. Most men have laid this to rest in place of cheaper thrills, and the results are that much less satisfying. The whining makes it better though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 12:06 PM
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Worst take by far lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 12:04 PM
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we have no way of pacifying those men under the current system We've arguably been more successful at this now more than ever. Porn, endless entertainment, pharmaceuticals and processed slop is what placates the masses now. There's a bunch of research that suggests that several revolutions and social upheavals were at least partially instigated by some level of gender / sexual disparity. We're in the midst of more single men than ever, and yet everything seems fine. The question is -- how long w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 12:01 PM
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men who"grinded" in life and didnt have sexual relationships for years Some of the worst advice being propagated in the manosphere as of late is to grind because women will be down for the money and status. Even if you do get there, zero game / social skills will screw you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 12:21 AM
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No -- no one under 20 needs social media. It's a net negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 07:08 AM
1

y'all lame as hell
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 09:37 PM
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Attractive, sociable people are always an asset -- man or woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 08:42 PM
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If she's pretty enough and unproblematic, 90% of dudes could care less.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:46 PM
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dudes suck about it is we put these barriers up to being social I used to do this -- skinny doormat in high school, gained weight and some female attention and got my ego up super high. I always wanted people to come to me, because that's what seemed to happen for Chad. You get stuck in a weird cycle where you skip out on things and neg people for your own ego -- really lame behaviour. Mid-20's now and dgaf -- need to be social, need to get in the mix. Life really is all about relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:44 PM
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It would be possible without crony capitalism and lobbying -- so not in the US, which is arguably the country that needs it the most, but in other countries it could happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 05:07 AM
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It's my post and you're dense as hell. I literally said under 20. I stated the reason why it's bad for kids under 20. Read.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 05:06 AM
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All politics are garbage -- the only groups who control anything anywhere are the rich and the beautiful. Until I see otherwise, this is the paradigm I've locked into.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 05:03 AM
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Steve Buscemi? My brotha who's been telling you lies??
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 04:56 AM
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a complete ban of social media for people under 20 with limited exceptions You reading bro?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 04:53 AM
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I've mentioned before: the first step in a viable solution is a complete ban of social media for people under 20 with limited exceptions. Social media warps people's perceptions of themselves and of others. It romanticizes life the way only a camera can, and overstimulates the brain in ways that affect your reality. Children carry these perceptions into adulthood, with only the talented and beautiful really able to capitalize on social media's riches. You'd think with the level of teenage prescr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 11:04 PM
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Right on. Witnessed this the other night at the bar -- you can't escape it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 09:59 PM
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Finally somebody says it. This is the only real discrimination I've seen consistently in my life. Granted I live in an ethnically diverse community, so I don't doubt that racism plays a real role elsewhere. Visit any bar, any workplace, any classroom, any restaurant or lineup at a shopping mall or concert -- being objectively good-looking, or at least better looking than others, may as well be its own race.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 09:08 PM
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Hot chick on your arm is always a confidence boost.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 02:39 PM
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Leagues exist. Sometimes one is "better" than the other, and sometimes they're just different. Hot, white Northeast university party girls exist in a league -- it's super niche and super exclusive. If you're not a good-looking white dude from an affluent family, your odds of getting into this "league" are low. I think this league could be considered "better" than others in American society. Asian-American dance team girls of the UC variety also exist in a league. It's not as prestigious, but if …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 01:23 PM
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You're right. I feel really bad for pajeets too :(
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 05:59 AM
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Lmao I'll make a post about it soon. It's a real concept -- I'll coin the term
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 08:43 PM
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Men have absolutely no problem admitting they improve their appearance for women. There are whole channels on YouTube dedicated to teaching men about style, hygiene, workouts, and even surgical / medical options for self-improvement for the purpose of getting women. Women only use the excuse that they "do it for themselves" when it serves their sexual prerogative -- AKA shaming and criticizing the attention of men they find unattractive / unworthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 08:35 PM
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The ones complaining about other people being shallow are the ones not getting picked. Right on. There's a lot more stigma against men "trying" opposed to women. Granted, women are expected to look prim by societal standards, but they have lots of tools at their disposal. Men are supposed to just "get it" with socially acceptable tools like the gym and buying different clothes. The truth is that the tide is changing and women don't need men like they used to, and they're going to keep getting pi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 08:30 PM
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In other words women have no rights without the consent of men . Damn he ain't wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 08:21 PM
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Agreed. My buddy has over a 50-count but would fuck a catcher's mitt if it had a skirt on. Pretty average looking, but one of the best, most charismatic, and aloof dudes I know -- the kind of guy you wouldn't find within a hundred miles of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 08:20 PM
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Don't disrespecc Pepe like that!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 05:42 PM
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We can ban social media for people under 20 with limited exceptions. Of course this will never happen since the demands of 9-18 year olds basically run the economy and corporations need to prime kids for life-long corporate servitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 05:07 PM
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A lot of people don’t like the idea that they have to “try” to get sex, but I come from a place—socially—where everyone has to put in some effort to attract someone. It's just the ghost of Chad, or more simply, the ghost of possibility, which irks most men in the space. I hooked up with a few attractive women right out of high school who basically asked me out and did most of the legwork. I didn't do much, was just decent looking and at the right place at the right time. However, it severely war…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 04:48 PM
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I get what you mean -- you're talking about a situational Chad, or a niche Chad, like bagging all the girls in your workplace. You're not wrong, but there's also the objective Chad -- dude who slays in his PJs, in any weather or season.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 04:37 PM
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Any dude who can get casual sex with above-average / attractive women with relative ease is a Chad. He often fits the qualities you've mentioned, but it doesn't have to be all of them. You're also missing the most important quality -- objectively good-looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 04:21 PM
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Attractive girls**
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 04:20 PM
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I was called a Chad because I had casual sex once I don't know where you live but I've never seen the bar that low!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 04:20 PM
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in the future men will need some celebrity status Couldn't agree more. You need to be at least social with a good reputation in most circles, especially if you're average. I also think seeking leadership is important, or at least not being a peon in any group you're in.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 04:14 PM
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Social media maturation (post-2018) pretty much killed RP IMO. Lookism and serial clout are much more prevalent now. The game has changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 03:34 PM
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It's redpill men who get pissed when their ideas don't turn out to be true. The RP has some good tactics and principles that are sometimes true, that's it. All the things you've mentioned are notable. I probably only know 3 real Chads in my life -- dudes who slayed in high school and college, racked up 20+ bodies with ease. They still hit them all over the board (not ugly, but average or passable) and ended up in LT relationships with girls I thought were just decent. Dating is much more nuanced…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 03:12 PM
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You may be surprised -- I've seen it play out. It's complex though. My buddy's mom is in her mid-50's, pretty busted, two kids, smokes daily. She's been with a French Chadlite, mid-30's for many years, very toxic. My buddy and him have fought physically several times -- they still stay together. My neighbour divorced in her late 40's. She dated late 20's black bodybuilders, businessmen, the works. She was kinda hot though. I think that if women are resourceful and even remotely attractive, they …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 03:08 PM
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the wall is real (although not as much as men would like to believe but its still there) My observation in a nutshell. While the female wall exists for nearly all women, the "male wall" isn't even a thing, because average dudes are trying to break through that wall their whole lives. Like you said, only Chad and Brad have a "wall", which is barely even worth mentioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 03:04 PM
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We'll see if the RP and its influence really is as strong as you mention. RP principles like plates, frame, and game work to a certain extent for some men, and I have not seen it successful for most men. RP helped me through a tight spot in my dating life, but never reached the heights I had envisioned -- looksmaxxing was much more productive. You're right that men come to accept their place in the hierarchy much more "gracefully" -- which is exactly why I disagree with your ideas about the wall…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 03:00 PM
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Blackpill is the unfortunate truth if you don't have a robust social network / self esteem. Dudes gotta looksmaxx and get social! Accept you're not Chad and make the best of it!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:16 PM
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I think it's a mix of dudes haunted by the ghost of Chad (sex) w/ dudes who can't get a text back to save their lives (romance). Hard to say what the true ratio is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:14 PM
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You tried looksmaxxing? I'll PM.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 11:04 AM
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It's not sad. It's a mating strategy, and it's reality lol. No one gets to "be who they are".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 03:53 AM
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It's really the only way -- you gotta choose one or both. Always did decent but never as well as I'd hoped on RP shit. Looksmaxxed, went out even when I don't feel like it and it pays off most of the time. I understand the gripe from cels though -- if you're not proven you're attractive by a girl after 20 or so, I can imagine you'd start to get really discouraged and tap out. And I think the issue is they're so cognitively disconnected and maladaptively socialized, that they have no idea what yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 03:52 AM
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What would be a tolerable outcome, from your perspective? I don't have a great answer to this -- something has got to give. Consider that men and women both found their positions "tolerable" for thousands of years. So I'd be remiss to say that I would enjoy / abhor the privileges offered by that arrangement -- because I don't know. I've talked with some women who have entertained two solutions: Complete bans on social media and porn for children under 18, and maybe even under 20. Social media ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 12:42 AM
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We're practicing some form of it already with several factors over the years -- the rise of lookism over the past 5 years, declining birthrates among middle class people, access to abortion and the like.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 12:23 AM
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Women's rights, or any rights at all, don't exist in a state of nature. While women's general ignorance and hubris of this is upsetting, the prospect of these rights revoked within a state of nature is much more harrowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 12:16 AM
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Dudes need to looksmaxx and get social, even when they don't feel like it. Accept you're not Chad and make the best of it!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 11:54 PM
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I understand your perspective -- the solution to bring us back to some semblance of equilibrium does necessitate women's full cooperation, a great deal of humility, and very little on the side of men were it to be a peaceful solution. I've said that in a state of nature, men have a propensity / ability to harm women (violence) in a way that women, adversely, do not have. Can women simply rely on the "goodwill" of men? We did it for thousands of years, but at a visceral cost of freedom, among oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 11:50 PM
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I think dudes who want to shoot for the stars are a minority. Ton of guys are genuinely clueless -- indoctrinated by Disney and perpetually adolescent. You go on subs like r/hingeapp and r/tinder and you can see how lost some guys are when it comes to this. Or out on a weekend you can see how many dudes can't read social cues or just hover around and hope for something to happen. Waiting... waiting... Compound this with a majority of dudes who are pretty average / unextraordinary, and another ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 08:59 PM
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This post reeks of autism. I luv it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 01:27 PM
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Lol it just makes sense. If he looks like a dweeb it'd be easier to slide.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 01:24 PM
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College. Gym. Mutual friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 12:24 PM
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So why are you still arguing this when you so emphatically don’t care? Lmao I'm not the one writing full paragraphs psychoanalyzing strangers. Go join your friend in therapy. I don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 12:22 PM
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> the implication that only a mentally ill person would need to see a therapist is really disgusting I don't care what you think lol > For one, I'm not mentally ill Congrats, you fooled me > It sounds to me like you're afraid of being judged by other men for needing help Idgaf what other dudes think of me. I've got my boys for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 03:57 AM
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Men have been having premarital sex since forever. But women haven't -- at least not to the same degree. Societal restrictions, the dangers of fathering other children, and STD's all played a factor in this. Once both sexes were freed from the these issues is when it began to decline. Marrying for love is a product of this phenomenon -- there are no longer social nor economic stakes in relationships like there used to be, so marriage is not as attractive as a concept for both parties, at least u…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 03:47 AM
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Am I wrong in reading that as roughly equivalent to "yes all men"? Yes. Yes you're wrong. "A therapist can help." I don't take advice from the mentally ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 03:42 AM
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No, not all men think like this. Stop trying to justify your behavior by claiming all men are like you. Never said all men. Never said I did this. Never justified anything. You read like a third grader lol goofy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 03:32 AM
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They might more so than you think. They might not even realize it. Of course it can be more complicated than this -- it often is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 03:22 AM
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salmon covered in honey I respect the subtle Patrice O'Neal reference. RIP.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 03:03 AM
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You wear down a woman until she accepts you to make you shut up. It's not attractive. True, this doesn't work for 95% of dudes. It's the Disney version of indoctrination on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 03:01 AM
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Maybe it's cus your guy was a toothpick
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 02:59 AM
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Tons of chicks hate the "cow" analogy, but that's because it's difficult for them to see sex as a resource. Sex serves a need and a demand, and is a resource that is bought, sold, and bargained for in a variety of ways -- even in a relationship. The acquisition of sex, naturally, satisfies the need for it. Men are very much sex-driven, and will pursue it at incredible cost, ie. promising to only fuck one woman for the rest of his life for the last few thousand years. Giving men sex not only with…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 02:56 AM
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The sexual marketplace was adjusting to changes from societal and economic structures which had been in place for centuries -- of course it was doing to take decades before things really changed. If the first generation of post-war spouses still engaged in post-marital sex, it would take a full generation for their kids to take part in the societal changes thereafter, which would be the 60's to as late as the 80's. The full effects of the post-war social revolutions arguably didn't occur. until …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 02:47 AM
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Even if women do care less about looks than men, it doesn't discount how much they actually do care about them. The threshold for acceptable looks is certainly increasing as women in the West acquire greater economic and social security. On top of that, social media and OLD has warped people's perception of themselves (filter, follower count) and others. Both reduce people to their aesthetic appearance, both have demonstrated women's penchant for handsome men. This is not to say that culture doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 02:40 AM
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My opinion isn't that a vast majority of people can have casual sex, but a great many can. Most do not because they won't have access to those they actually desire. Everybody wants to hook up with genetically gifted people, but not everybody can.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 02:29 AM
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Fulfilling a fantasy is a benefit. Not having any real responsibility according to society concerning housework is a benefit. 49% of men still want custody, get shorter end of stick. Thanks lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 11:40 PM
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AF for a short bit, BB long-term, but not to a self-exploitative degree. Important to know how to talk to and handle the opposite sex. With God's grace I'll bring him up with enough purpose and self-worth that he'd avoid the pills altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 10:21 PM
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Funny this is, on the other end, dudes have no problem saying they get iced out for women. Haircut, jewelry, tattoos, working out, cosmetic surgeries -- every dude does it at least partially to be attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 10:07 PM
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Because these dudes gotsta nut and most average women can at least get attention on demand if necessary. Dudes don't have the luxury.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 10:06 PM
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Women get to live out their fantasy. I don't know -- if I got to sleep with prime Kate Beckinsdale, I'd probably say that's a benefit. Duties -- you know what I'm talking about. Obviously, those days are gone for many reasons, many of them good. A woman who refuses to complete household duties is considered empowered and independent, or maybe nothing at all. A man who refuses is at least demonized and considered unreasonable. I personally couldn't care less what I'm considered, but tons of dudes…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 10:05 PM
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Disagree. Genes, ethnicity, lifestyle play a huge factor. Genes are huge. I'm in my mid-20's and know white girls my age with crow's feet. I also know Asian girls at 35 who look ten years younger. Most dudes don't take care of themselves. Balding, skin trouble, and weight gain can destroy a dude by 28. With the right genes and some upkeep, a dude can extend his looks a bit longer than a woman. But it's not as drastic as RP makes it out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 09:39 PM
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Fulfill a lifelong dream for many women (no dude dreams of being married). Increase income. Security for children. Women don't really have duties in marriage either anymore, because of no-fault divorce. The subconscious duty is on the man to acquiesce to his wife and provide -- and if she's not feeling it, she can take his shit. And let's say it's not like that -- she can still take their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 09:33 PM
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What is happening there if this is the case? Idk braw them dudes just gotta skeet!! In reality, I know that it's a third world country in transition, but generally there aren't many incentives for men to stay in the picture. Generally the family of the women steps in -- it's a common dynamic I've noticed. Very hard to move up in their society, so perhaps if things start improving economically and there's more opportunity, men will be more incentivized to stick around.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 09:31 PM
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It depends. In the Asian community, women are encouraged to educate themselves and learn valuable skills as a hedge against the possibility of poor outcomes. At the same time, more traditional or level-headed Asian families also teach the importance of duty and temperance, and the importance of sacrifice to one's family. An important value taught in these cultures is that "you can't have it all, at least not all at once". This concept is gravely missing from Western culture, which propagates per…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:48 PM
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You're not wrong, but it garners little sympathy in a world where attractiveness and attention are the most valuable currency. These people live a different reality from most -- a reality most would crave to experience. Adversely, most young men, often raised in unideal conditions, are told their whole lives to work hard and treat others fairly to bring value into the world and "earn" a partner. The next 5-10 years will be a reckoning for a generation of men who have been promised this and find …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:43 PM
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Mentorship -- coming from a robust social group (usually family) that has your best interest at heart. These environments help you cultivate your self-worth and sense of belonging, and help you avoid seedier, negative types. In many places, this has paradigm has been destroyed with the disintegration of the family.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:37 PM
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The demographic young hot women gun for are their looks match -- young, hot men. The thing about young hot men are: They have options They're likely to stay young and hot for a while They'd be fools not to exercise those options in today's free-for-all, and can probably do so for long periods of time if they choose. So for certain naive, impressionable, or otherwise emotionally immature young women, this poses a problem. I've witnessed this firsthand. Then again, nothing in this life is for sure…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:34 PM
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It's not objectification to wife someone up because of their looks Did you read my post? Reducing someone, even momentarily, to their looks, is fundamentally treating them as something other than intrinsically valuable. It is for your own pleasure, your own "usage". Brain scans demonstrate that physical male attraction and experiences during sex stimulate the same parts that acquire pleasure during the use of tools or machinery. My point is that two things can be true at once. Objectification is…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:20 PM
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If you are not hanging out with the popular guys why would you think you could hang with the popular gals? Birds of a feather.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 11:54 AM
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Right on. I think the "young" part is important because your body and mind can just take more of a beating. Being a lifer in a restaurant or hotel is probably a loser's game.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 11:46 AM
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"Fetishization" is a cop-out at this point -- the word has lost its meaning. To me, fetishization usually implies something peculiar or unconventional, like attraction to feet or furry-type shit. What you mean is objectification. Objectification being objectively and totally wrong is a pretty new idea (10-20 years old) mostly propagated by women, and I think it's mostly bullshit. Humans naturally objectify one another within moments of meeting each other. Given that much of life is transactional…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 11:45 AM
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Complex issue. Marriage-less, childless women -- depends on culture, demographic, upbringing. WASP women tend to do horrible in this regard. Social pressure, highest SSRI usage, general malcontent. The Asian women I know don't tend to be like this -- much more accepting, dutiful, and stoic in the face of childlessness. Single mothers -- if you could have it all without a man, why wouldn't you? Take away the assistance of the state (will never happen) and see what happens. Society will perpetuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 11:35 AM
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Mention this to any young, decently attractive or even average male. A popular restaurant in a busy area is an incredible way to make friends and get in touch with women. You still have to navigate socially, but I've seen it pay dividends for a bunch of normies -- wish I'd done it in hindsight!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 11:24 AM
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I understand the stereotype but I'm not sure how rooted it is in truth. My personal experience is that I've seen people double down, settle, and leave altogether. There are plenty of men getting with older women, people in their mid-30's finding love with one another, and men leaving the dating world in droves. A niche YouTuber I watch predicts there will be a reckoning in 5-10 years when Gen Z men, indoctrinated and inundated by social media and a sense of entitlement to young, hot women, will …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 11:22 AM
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#2 is the most fulfilling in the short-term, #3 in the long-term.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 11:15 AM
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I'm not talking about an atypical dude who got with a decent chick once or twice -- I'm referring to this fantasy of a sociopathic, womanizing normie that OP is mentioning who gets with hot girls consistently.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:34 AM
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All the women in my mother's side of the family are skilled, dutiful, and socially capable. Most people are normal and unconcerned with the topics of this sub. The next generation of older women will be worse, but so will the men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 12:58 AM
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You think PUA's get more action than a Chad? This post is delusional. Show me an average / ugly dude who can con his way into attractive women's pants consistently and I'll eat my hat.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 12:32 AM
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that’s probably because she used her youth to get a lot of perks from guys Winner winner. The types who get jealous later on are usually narcs and never developed good temperament / social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 12:18 AM
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No clue, it depends on the person. Good looks are visceral, upfront, and often objective. The strength speaks for itself. Of course you can improve your personality, but that's extremely abstract at the end of the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 12:15 AM
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The closest relationships are borne out of conflict. It's a problem with a lot of relationships today -- everything has to be prim and perfect, devoid of rejection and epitomized by "total acceptance". No, genuine relationships are messy and riddled with conflicts that have been overcome, or merely understood by both parties. All my best relationships, including within my family, have developed this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 12:11 AM
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Interesting q. Maybe subconsciously. Most friend groups have some similarity in looks, now that I think about it. Might also be halo effect, people's association of looks with confidence and positive attributes. What I mostly meant is that if you're good-looking, life just comes to you in a lot of ways. It's easier to make friends, easier to self-catalyze your confidence from all the positive experiences you have with others. If you don't have that, you're banking on your personality or some oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 10:09 PM
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You can spot them a mile away if they are -- usually narcs, generally unpleasant to be around, and pretty vain.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 08:19 PM
2

Known a few chicks who went all out after a fight / during a break with an SO. If you want to bag one of those long-term -- be my guest!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 07:52 PM
8

Right on. It's not about the raw number -- it's about the ratio. There are women with 3000+ likes waiting in the bleachers for them. Doesn't matter if 2900 of them are above average -- if they're not at that sweet spot of her attraction, it's like they don't even exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:50 PM
-2

You are proposing the withdrawal of rights. From a logical and historical standpoint, this will only occur given extraordinary circumstances -- war, poverty, natural disaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:38 PM
29

How do you fix male loneliness problems without actually forcing people to become friends? A worthy question. Most male friendships are borne out of convenience (childhood social circle) or struggle / necessity. Two of my friends have basically saved my life during dangerous off-road trips. I was also stuck on a multi-day mountain hike with a couple friends where we ran out of food and water just a couple days in. We were at each others' throats and could have died, but sucked it up and powered …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:34 PM
2

I've seen it play out -- drug dealer, bass player, dive bartender.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:12 PM
7

Brad Pitt and Kate Beckinsdale are specimens. Anyone without a jawline in Hollywood has got incredible talent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:10 PM
3

You just can't win braw!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:39 PM
4

The only way it affects dating in the West is in regards to people's opinions about it, not the existence of gender minorities themselves (trans, non-binary, whichever). These groups are too small to even make a dent in the dating scene for straight people. I've probably interacted with less than 5 of these people, and I live in a liberal city. Met some girls who were obsessed with the shit, been with chicks where it didn't come up until months after we hooked up, if at all. Depends on the circl…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:53 AM
1

We've got different ideas of social skill and seduction -- sorry about the experience you're projecting lol goofy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:26 AM
5

Nah maybe a few years ago, but plenty of them admit it now.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:32 AM
1

PM me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 09:43 PM
1

Depends on your race and your current SMV. The only thing that's true -- height is much less of a factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 09:27 PM
3

I think for most men, the top 30-40% of women is accurate (for what they're trying to attract). Just a hunch.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 08:57 PM
4

Whitepill. Luv it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 07:33 PM
15

Looks are pretty much "it" when it comes to dating for successful guys. Misogyny is not a big deal like women make it out to be unless you're ugly or autistic to begin with. Consensual sex with a woman you find attractive (especially consistent) can solve many, not all, problems in a young man's life. Luv is real and is borne out of personality and compatibility, but it is conditional and you need to meet a looks threshold. Both simping and keeping a woman on her toes are viable mating / relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 07:31 PM
1

2 points is significant. A female 6 with a male 4?? Even I'd feel bad for her. Salute to that dude though lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 11:58 AM
2

Porn has warped men's general understanding of social awareness. You're throwing around a got of maxims about men and women's sex lives based on anecdotes, but I'll fully agree with this one here. Porn and social media have definitively warped the minds of men and it starts early enough that it can have long-term effects.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 04:12 AM
1

This is based because it's honest. Took me a while to realize that every chick I'd been with either wanted me off the bat or thought I was at least handsome enough. Facial attractiveness is paramount. The blackpill is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 04:08 AM
1

In a world with increasing economic and social security (which may or may not be tested in the near future), the standards for attractiveness will naturally skew towards aesthetics. The way you look is increasingly becoming the most important factor in dating, at least in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 03:56 AM
3

Sex is better with feelings and when you learn what the other likes/dislikes. I don't even know what you're responding to in my comment. My take is that it's not necessarily better in of itself -- it's just different. Casual sex based purely on physical attraction is just another, highly different, and desirable experience. Dudes who want both and can get both, get them. Of course it's a sobering realization to dudes who can get neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 03:12 AM
9

They want casual sex with hot women. And get pissed off when women they consider "average" or "ugly" don't want to be their free use fuck dolls. Can't disagree with you there. When it comes to most women not wanting casual sex, I both agree and disagree. That's one thing RP gets right in my experience -- women will make rules for betas and break them for alphas (dudes they actually dig). Been on the giving and receiving end of this one -- I can see how a dude who's struggling would be frustrated…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 03:06 AM
1

This is a question for women FYI so this is going to be deleted. my b.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 02:53 AM
5

the "solution" is women fucking men we're not attracted to Nah this isn't what I meant. I meant stop giving shite advice lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 02:53 AM
0

If the red pill worked, he threads in this sub alone would be vary different. The threads would be detailing why red pill works and actually demonstrate with data that men who are red pill get more sex. I agree -- the RP doesn't have enough nuance, and has been whittled down over the years. The progression into the blackpill is pretty astounding. It will only increase with Zoomers entering adulthood and the prevalence of social media. The RP deserves criticism, but I think OP is rather talking a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 02:41 AM
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The fact that this sub exists proves that RP doesn't work for everybody. It definitely helped me in a tight spot when I was younger, but never got me to the heights I really wanted -- that's just life. Dudes are horny and will try anything. If dudes on these fuckass subs like r/hingeapp and r/tinder could be honest with themselves, they would seek out and follow RP if they didn't think it would decrease their chances with the women who criticize it. There are two things I've learned over the pas…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 02:33 AM
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Right on. Those 304's they recruit on Fresh + Fit and horror stories, praise God, are not the norm. The Internet is a crazy place peddling crazy shit. Bunch of my buddies rolled in a frat in college -- the girls racking up huge numbers (25+) were always a certain type and a pretty small minority. You've basically got Chads, 304s, and ugly people who will fuck anything running the numbers up. Everyone else is just doing alright or getting none at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:56 AM
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Mentioned my theory in a reply, but will reiterate again: Farming is bullshit work. It is back-breaking, thankless labor, and used to be (somewhat still is) subject to the arbitrary whims of nature. The advent of agriculture was a blessing because it meant that societies could achieve food security, establish safe, stationary societies, and focus on technological improvement. But the sheer manpower necessitated by mass agriculture meant convincing thousands of fighting age males to dedicate thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:52 AM
1

I think this rule only goes back to the Neolithic age and before the advent of agriculture. Farming, even today, is ridiculous, back-breaking work. Enforced monogamy was a way to keep worker bees in line -- bottom-tier men / norms would not accept the struggles of labor, even if it was paid, without sexual access. Just consider it -- you're a leader monopolizing access to women and you have thousands of fighting age males you need to have under your control. The 1 in 17, or whatever it was, pred…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:45 AM
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For all the "m'patriarchy" bullshit you hear on social media these days, this is one area where I think patriarchy really benefitted men -- by enforcing the institution of marriage for all men to stabilize society, no matter how average or dysgenic you may have been. If you did your bit and shut up about it, society promised you a wife in pretty much every post-agricultural society. I truly believe this is what caused so many average / poor traits to propagate in the gene pool. Kind of scary tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:38 AM
1

I've felt luv, pure and ethereal, the most authentic and binding force in the universe. I received it freely and wholeheartedly from someone who adored me. I grew into it over time, returned it willingly, and it was a true and priceless blessing for several years. I still wanted to bang other chicks, so I left. Life is complicated and people are bound by their desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:31 AM
2

The sad reality, and true for most dudes I know who have decent n-counts without high tier looks. Couldn't do it myself, but it works if you're young, horny, and want to pump those numbers. I already mentioned my only other solution in this thread: Looksmaxx to high heaven. Get social, roll with a good group of friends or multiple. Pray.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:28 AM
2

Looksmaxx to high heaven. Get social as hell, don't go too try-hard. Roll with fun, supportive friends. Pray.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:47 AM
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Someone said it well here -- there's not a lot of sympathy, if any, for dudes who don't "get it" when it comes to social skill and seducing women. This idea is amplified in college where you're pretty much responsible for all your interactions and there are girls you want to be with everywhere. So dudes who had little to no success in high school will go to the RP extreme out of desperation. What they don't understand is that being confident, assertive, and aloof can't really be forced, and it s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 01:25 PM
1

His clip with the Amish "high value" dude is still one of my faves. Delusion beyond repair.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 01:23 AM
1

r/hingeapp is a wasteland which I visit for entertainment. People literally telling others to change a question or that they seem "distant" in their profile. Just inane. How about you lose 30 lbs and hire a photographer? I've yet to see this advice which could actually change some of these dudes' lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 10:37 PM
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Notable. I'd say the recent blackpill wave of the last 2-3 years is more responsible for lookism than RP. RP preached game and self-improvement above all else -- low and behold, a lot of men are still dissatisfied with their results, if they even have any to begin with. I think RP also holds one of the only outlets where men can vent without it being their fault, and give them a semblance of a solution. "Therapy", as most blue pillars recommend, is not the magic cure that most insinuate, and it …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 10:26 PM
9

Lmao right on. Rollo's book is a decent start but all these guys are peddling snake oil through and through, keeping dudes angry and desperate. Rich Cooper is another grifter with so many dumbass paradigms it's hard to keep count. Only advice worth listening to is to looksmaxx and get good at something that will make you money for your own sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 03:05 AM
1

TAKE THE DOGPILL.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 02:59 AM
11

Agreed. Colorism is an issue, especially in Mexico -- they're not at the point socio-politically to confront it. I was actually surprised by how much they push white skin in their media, every celebrity and movie star in Mexico is white as play paste. Korea is pretty much as advanced as the West and has a beauty obsession -- I've heard a majority of the population surgerymaxx to some extent, which is insane. So I wouldn't be surprised if height was a factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 02:47 AM
2

It's cus you're rocking a Nike tracksuit. Everyone knows only Adidas tracksuits get bitches
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 09:38 PM
2

Yeah unfortunately it's more like 10% depending on where you're at.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 09:30 PM
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They would and it's not up for debate. In Latin America and Asia, height barely matters. You see dudes punching above their weight all over the place. If you're ugly though, you're ugly. That shit won't fly anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 09:26 PM
0

while only 16% of men were. That's blackpilled af -- there's literally millions of autistic men out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 09:19 PM
6

Winner winner. It's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 09:13 PM
12

#3 just ends the game before it even begins 90% of the time. I could be going full-autist talking to the floor and if she's into me, it won't matter. Adversely, I could be attentive and dropping knowledge like I'm an encyclopedia and it's over as soon as she looks at my way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 09:03 PM
3

Yeah some dude has said this before. It might not even be 1% of dudes who are pantydroppers, versus a wealth of hot women who exist. The bad news is they monopolize all the attention. The good news is that if you're in that above average 10-20%, you can find different ways to slide.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 09:00 PM
3

Playing dumb can be your best bet, even in smarter circles. As soon as a girl is making me wait on "communicating better" or needing to "get to know me better" before we get to the chase, I already know it's over. I could be talking about my fuckin' shoe size and if she's into me, the direction of the conversation won't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 08:51 PM
2

Submission is a kink? Nah I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 05:09 PM
1

LA probably a different game.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 03:42 PM
1

Yeah the perspective bit is important. Being a little nitpicky because the pill community has a pretty one-dimensional view of what a HVM is. For sure looks are usually top of the heap, but you see hot chicks crying in the club over Huberts. It's just a matter of how she sees the dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 03:37 PM
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I agree with you on the second bit, but doesn't always have to be HV per se.. for all the shit that goes down in here, there's an ethereal / mysterious aspect to love. It's a different game when the girl is head over heels for you -- nothing else quite measures up. Blackpill for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 03:32 PM
0

I don't know man.. I'm definitely not happy with average but tons of dudes I know just want a gf. I agree the next generation is gonna be fucked when they've been bombarded by sex and money from 10-18 then find out they have fuck-all SMV. As of right now I'm basing my take on average people I see around.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 03:18 PM
4

Relationship with the father is usually best indicator.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:33 PM
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Friend of mine told me once that "everything on the Internet is porn". Took me a while to realize what he meant. You can understand it if you watch a BTS bit of a movie or music video. Everything looks fairly un-extraordinary, no flashy lights or trinkets, people sort of moving awkwardly, and blemishes on full display. You watch the video and it's like an altered reality with all the glitz and glamor -- it's pornography. Then I think about how Christianity ruled people's lives for centuries in A…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:09 PM
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Watched season 2 when I was pretty young. Garbage in hindsight. I'd eat my hat if I saw a dude like Aziz with that Italian chick IRL. Complete and utter fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:00 PM
1

If ugly people could get the caliber they actually wanted, they'd flip on that "kink" stuff like a loose napkin.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:57 PM
2

We're all just pretending at this point. We've built a world where both women and men live in complete relative safety. A woman being tied to and submissive to a strong man is a biological imperative that can't be circumvented by that safety. It'll reveal itself in the ways that you've commented on. Any dude who has been with a down chick understands the experience -- they just can't help it. They'd take the most insane maltreatment, sleep with you on the sidewalk and not make anything out of it…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:55 PM
1

I know plenty of people happy to be average / slightly above. Go outside lmao goofy
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 11:46 AM
1

Generally being able to do something difficult is considered good, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 11:43 AM
13

This shit is overdone at this point. 90% of dudes aren't going to marry a virgin -- and half the dudes who claim they would only date a virgin would fold if they had a solid 5 willing to cook them dinner once in a while thrown their way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 04:46 AM
1

Agreed. The wall isn't nearly as groundbreaking or early as some terminal red-pillers say. Tons of women come into their own around 26-32. However, as a wise man once said: the difference between 30 and 35 for a woman is 5 years, but it may as well be 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 04:44 AM
1

I do it for the people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 04:40 AM
0

Different rules. Most dudes need to work / be impressive to get laid. Girls just have to show up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 04:22 AM
1

Because by the grace of God, most people aren't blue / red / magenta pilled, nor terminally online. They're average people with average expectations who live in the real world, and are fairly happy with the average results that they get.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 04:17 AM
1

I misread. Right on. They're pretty much non-existent.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:34 AM
2

In regards to whether most men who want it will make it work, it varies on the situation. Most men will fuck anything, so if they can take the validation hit that comes from marrying a foreign bride, I'm sure they can make it work. It does vary from person to person -- some dudes are exceedingly average, ugly, or autistic, so your guess is as good as mine. I do know it will definitely increase as time goes on. Lots of my friends are frustrated with the dating scene back in North America whether …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:31 AM
1

Nah, most women would prefer it. They've either gotten burned badly or wouldn't want to put up with a dude in general if they think otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:24 AM
3

You bring up some interesting questions. I think it varies for multiple reasons. There's quite a bit of stigma behind the idea of moving for that reason, and many men care about what others (especially women) think about them -- that they "gave up" or are moving because they can't find a woman here. All in all, fear plays a huge role. There's also much simpler reasons, like family ties, convenience, the amenities offered by North America, and safety. Humans are creatures of habit after all, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:01 AM
3

Money is the perpetual cherry-on-top for attraction, unless it's attached to a cool-ass job which garners status. If money made women wet then every tech nerd banking 250k at 22 years old would be swimming in poon -- we know this isn't the case. Money only plays a part at the upper echelons. I've got a friend who has big family money from overseas -- dad bought him a Bentley for a graduation present. Girls definitely get with him for this reason at least partially, but he also happens to be kind…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:50 AM
8

I've had more action at school with a part-time job living at my parent's house than when I got my money up. Getting laid doesn't have much to do with money -- in fact, expectations get higher when you have more dough.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:46 AM
1

Being an average white American dude can go a long way abroad -- I've seen it with my own eyes. Of course balding and fat are unattractive everywhere, but I wouldn't blame an average dude with slightly higher standards for trying his luck elsewhere. Even good-looking dudes can find much less of a headache overseas if they're not boneheaded and actually learn a foreign culture. You'd have to deal with lifestyle change but lots of people make it work.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:41 AM
1

His attitude has nothing to do with it -- the caliber in North America is completely overblown in comparison with a ton of countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:39 AM
9

Been to a few larger American cities on the West Coast. The talent is not even remotely comparable to a handful of cities or even towns I've visited in Latin America.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:37 AM
3

Most women I've hooked up with / do hook-ups go through phases of it. After a dude burns them post break-up, young and on vacation -- you'll rarely see a girl sleep around consistently over years and years. It's just tiresome, I feel like most guys wouldn't be able to do that physically nor emotionally despite how much they say they'd like to. Women have these "spurs of the moment" just like men, where they feel lonely, horny, whichever -- the only difference is that any woman is capable of capi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:22 AM
1

Right on. It's really not that complicated lol Got dudes on blackpill forums in year-long relationships of no sex. Brahther WHY
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 10:09 PM
2

Came to this realization this year -- women, and most people in general, couldn't give a fuck about your intelligence unless you're already good looking or have status. It took me long enough after traveling and realizing my attention from women and people in general skyrocketed when I was aloof, chill, and living in the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 07:55 PM
2

#2 is gold.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 07:52 PM
9

Feminism was never about equality and always about power, much like how chivalry was mostly about power opposed to benevolence.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 07:51 PM
8

Height is not that big of a deal if you're average. It's somewhat important in the West depending on what city you're in. However, a certain height can be hell on earth -- not even from just women, but among friends, other men, and for opportunities (I'm talking 5'5 or less).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 07:49 PM
4

Lmao I can see how you're blackpilled
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 01:18 PM
3

W I L D bruh
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 01:04 PM
1

Nah they were scared I'd treat the next girl better. So in my experience, it's something women think about.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 01:02 PM
5

Not my experience. Had a couple girls have a mental breakdown that the next girl I date, I'd take out more and do more things with. Truth is it takes a lot for me to go out because I'm more introverted. Girls care about your past in that way -- I don't think they'd care about n-count unless it's insanely high, I'd imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 12:38 PM
1

SE Asia or southern US? I guess it's chill to marry a 16 yo in either area lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 12:29 PM
3

Imma fix that rq
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 04:10 AM
19

Plays into how women gatekeep sex and men gatekeep relationships. Had a friend I hooked up with a couple times -- pretty hot, sweet girl, but a little crazy. She had two serious, multi-year relationships. When they both broke off, those exes got engaged within six months of meeting their new girlfriends. She was definitely feeling the heat. A similar example you can give to girls who don't get it is imagine if your boyfriend showered his ex with gifts, attention, and lavish vacations right off t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 04:06 AM
1

How did you manage to swing this lol do you live in the West?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:47 AM
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Wife is 24 and married 8y ago. .. hol up
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:31 AM
3

Women generally aren't attracted to empathy unless you're in a relationship with them -- my experience. Someone else here said that being able to read and lead a room makes a man attractive, and aloof dudes who dgaf tend to do this better. I've been a Sneako fan for a while, but I think a lot of women's attraction to him comes down to his looks and demeanour more than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:13 AM
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Why? Again, placing all the responsibility on men, as all things go. Women hold a vast majority of the power in the marketplace -- they're making the choices, they're choosing men. They choose poorly, and men still get blamed. You talk about this as if there's a wealth of virgins to choose from, which isn't the case. You're insinuating that this is an easy goal to attain. Men take years to develop the status and stability you talk about, and most never get there. You really think those women are…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 01:50 AM
15

I'm in my mid-20's and know white girls already getting wrinkles. Likewise, I know a bunch of dudes gaining hella weight and losing their hair. Genes can be a nasty thing, but lifestyle can be just as brutal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 01:18 AM
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Drinking, sun, stress, bouncing from dude to dude -- all contribute.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 01:16 AM
1

I don't know if you'd want to go down this line of reasoning. For a vast majority of men, sex will cost them something monetarily at one point or another. Plenty of young men spend racks on their woman to keep her happy. Even young, average married joes pay for all their dates -- what would you call those mens' wives / girlfriends?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 01:12 AM
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Some men age well, but a majority of men who are average will stay average. You also have to keep in mind that your health and looks can absolutely deteriorate and take more time and effort to manage as you age. Hair loss, in particular, does not help men at all in this department, and is very common for men over 30 (got a hair transplant myself in my mid-20s). Regarding your finances, getting your money up isn't going to impress a ton of women unless you're making crazy dough -- I've made more …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 01:09 AM
2

Another classic "misogyny makes you unattractive" shpeel. Cut the crap -- misogyny has rarely stopped anybody from getting laid unless they were already ugly / autistic to begin with. I've seen it boost a ton of dudes who had the right attitude and looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 11:47 PM
1

Dating apps aren't a fair representation because they force feed you the top chicks. Environment, social or virtual, is important. In my daily life I can go a week without seeing a girl I'd want to hook up with. In a popular gym in Latin America it could be as high as 40%. I'd probably say about 10-15% I general.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 11:39 PM
1

Light sparring hahahahahaha that brotha starvinnnnn
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 07:37 PM
2

It's just masked insecurity manifesting in a weird way. Helps me empathize a bit better even though it's whack.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 07:35 PM
4

A very close friend of mine would very subtly pull this on me when I was running game years ago. It was unsettling, but infrequent enough and not overtly obvious enough that I didn't pay it much mind. If he were to continue to do it, I'd definitely call him out. Such bitch behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 06:56 PM
1

By 5%, I mean in that given field or community. I think that still holds true. It could be as small as a workplace or more insulated setting -- many commenters have drawn my attention to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 06:38 PM
2

I work at a specialized skill in an athletic department. It requires operating machinery. It depends on where you're at. 500k is a lot of money in most cities. In NY or LA it's peanuts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 06:37 PM
1

I think the easy take is martial arts like Muay Thai or BJJ. Another less talked about element is to take more reasonable risk in your life, whether it be socially, starting a business, or with your money. Capitalizing on risk will give you more opportunities, but also result in more L's that you have to swallow. It'll help you build thicker skin and tackle life with more of an edge. It'll also teach you to handle rejection more gracefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 01:03 PM
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Very much agree. Fights with the gloves off are totally different -- basically comes down to who hits first or who hits heavier. That's why the number two thing you should take from martial arts is how to hit fast and hard. The number one thing is to get the fuck away.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 12:59 PM
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18-19 is pushing it. Over 20 and after 22, situations are most fair game.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 04:25 AM
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We are talking about what could potentially a 5-6 year age difference. If you think that's poor behaviour, I definitely disagree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 04:21 AM
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I don't disagree with you. I believe in offering basic dignity, as well. The current rule is that no one "owes anyone anything" and that consent is all that's necessary. This is ridiculous, but it's the reality. So those who criticize older dudes for playing the game fairly garner little sympathy from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 03:56 AM
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I think that you and I agree probably agree that some degree of oversight / responsibility from older men should be encouraged. I don't think they're free from those obligations because they started late -- I'm saying that the social climate permits it. The only firm guiding principle for sexual dynamics in the modern era is consent -- a myopic and short-sighted guiding principle, in my opinion, but nonetheless what conventional society has agreed to. Therefore, if adult women claim they have fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 03:13 AM
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Your point about sexual assault being a result of a patriarchal society is ridiculous. A significant portion of men who are sexually frustrated are raised in homes where single mothers are the principal authority, and educated in schools by women who constantly berate their aggressive tendencies and raise them to be well-behaved, blue-pilled boys in an increasingly feminized society to accommodate women. Hell, if we look at the Disney-pilled fast route to success, it basically teaches boys to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 02:39 AM
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18-25 was just showing a disparity in the situation for young people, bit of a tangent.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 02:03 AM
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I would refer to my final paragraph -- you cannot have your cake and eat it too. Under the current social climate, women have generally claimed autonomy over their decisions in the social and sexual world. They are permitted to do whatever they please with whomever they choose. On the flip side, the burden of sexual responsibility falls entirely on young men (say 18-25), who are still figuring themselves out, and bumbling through the awkwardness of their coming-of-age with little mentorship. I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 01:37 AM
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So do a ton of professional athletes, musicians, actors, and business owners who women swoon over. I don't get what your rebuttal is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 09:42 PM
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Relationships became a zero-sum game once the genders no longer "needed" one another -- now we're just banking on love. Love is commonly referred to as an "individual choice" in the modern age, but it's really not. If you're going to reduce something as serious as a committed relationship to solely a "choice", it just won't last. Humans are fickle and change from year-to-year. Couple that with the temptations of the Internet and your "choice" stands no chance. Relationships in the past were a so…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 08:38 PM
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As a woman I feel like being more careful about what guys I sleep with since they get all smug about it as though I validated their entire existence “I got what I wanted” lol. My body count is really low and I intend on keeping it that way You're smarter than most. Young dudes are extremely sex-driven. Younger women will avoid a ton of red flags to get with dudes they want to be with. It's surprised me quite a few times. Interesting to see at least some women waking up to this. Not sure how dras…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 08:28 PM
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Great stories, and highly encouraging! I've experienced hints of this kind of treatment, but my point being that when younger, I don't think its a viable, principal strategy to be getting laid for most dudes. I think default should just be to seek opportunities for leadership and go from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 08:00 PM
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I haven't witnessed this in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 07:53 PM
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Gotten more girls with looks / through friends by mentioning my part-time job than ever from my real job. No girl I've been with has cared about my job or money. I'm probably talking multi-millions. That's where I've seen it work personally, anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 05:05 PM
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I understand your point, I also have people close to me who have dealt with similar instances. My POV is that the current climate dictates that consenting adults can make up their minds. I actually don't agree with this wholeheartedly -- I find an 18-year old girl being with a 30-year old quite odd. But after 22 or so, there can't be many more excuses laid out. The current social climate hammers into us that men and women are equal and can make their own decisions. The argument against these age…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 04:46 PM
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This is an oddly specific case. It works in many different ways. The character from this show is clearly immature and unaware. That doesn't make him representative of some sort of majority or trend -- it just means he's an archetype of sorts. If a man treats a girl with basic dignity (many such cases), your point is invalid. A woman may or may not attain baggage over the years. They can also grow together -- happens all the time. My experiences with younger women have been either positive or med…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 04:26 PM
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Hadn't considered that angle. You're implying that status seeking helps you reach a certain threshold of respect / recognition, which I fully agree with. However, as I mentioned toward the end, I'm more concerned with naive kids seeking their loose definition of "status" for sex and getting disappointed. I still stand by my point in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 04:05 PM
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We're at an impasse because we both acknowledge that there are significant instances of predation and instances of benevolence. Tate's comment is not invalid. You often get to deal with less baggage with a younger woman. This doesn't mean you'll also exploit the innocence of younger women by choosing to be with them -- I think we both know that's deplorable, and that the two issues are not mutually exclusive. It depends on how much you trust men to be relatively responsible or young women to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 03:59 PM
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My point is that this is very difficult to teach and / or find, which you pretty much alluded to. Lots of dudes wasting their time on career and building social circle to get laid. These things only confer status if you're a leader in that domain.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 03:40 PM
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Your second paragraph is pretty much what I was trying to convey, without the solution included. Which, in my opinion, is still somewhat elusive depending on how you look, how smart you are, and your social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 03:38 PM
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My point isn't in disagreement with yours -- rather I think it's dumb advice to seek out status, especially the way that RP preaches about getting your money up career-wise. Attaining status is one of the most elusive and potentially time-consuming goals there are. An average young dude seeking it out so he can get laid isn't going to have a ton of luck. Most dudes I know who have a lot of status kind of just bump into it over time, or always kind of "had it" in the first place. I'm not arguing …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 03:36 PM
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You're onto something, and I still think this fits into the top 5% rule, but in a smaller environment. So yeah, there's some truth to this. I can relate on the workplace situation; I've experienced something similar. However, a majority of men don't work in environments or in fields with a ton of female exposure. So even that can be elusive. Good move on the neighborhood front. I'd do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 01:19 PM
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Status is 100% real but only in the upper echelons, which is why I included #2. It's the reason why Mick Jagger and Lil Yachty are successful despite the way they look. But for 95% of people, it's as elusive as you say. It's usually just a nice bonus if they have a sweet job or are a leader in their friend group. Agree on your last point, which is one thought that inspired my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 01:14 PM
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It really depends on what you're looking for. If you want to get your rocks off, then for most guys, the standards are pretty low. Young, old, fat, skinny, rich, poor. The types of guys who get laid because they like sex are usually the happiest -- you won't find them on this sub. Unfortunately, it's not that simple for many, including myself. Because if it was really about getting your rocks off, you'd just watch porn or fuck a 3 and call it a night. Sex, and particularly casual sex in the West…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 12:49 PM
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Objectification being objectively and totally wrong is a pretty new idea (10-20 years old) mostly propagated by women, and I think it's mostly bullshit. Humans naturally objectify one another within moments of meeting each other. Given that much of life is transactional, objectification is a pretty logical way to get what you want out of others. So then comes the "just becomes it's natural, doesn't make it right". Partially agree with this, but as I mentioned, human systems of exchange require o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 12:33 PM
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I'll repeat what I've said in another thread about both men and women above 30: Both of those red pill pillars are dubious at best [men age well, women age terribly]. Some men age well, but a majority of men who are average will stay average. You also have to keep in mind that your health and looks can absolutely deteriorate and take more time and effort to manage as you age. Hair loss, in particular, does not help men at all in this department, and is very common for men over 30 (got a hair tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 12:19 PM
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There are definitely women who demonize it. There's even a push to label men in their late 20's who date 5-10 years younger than them as "predatory" in some female circles. Some of the criticism has merit, but tons of dudes are just trying to enjoy the fruits of their labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 12:11 AM
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I think it's highly culturally dependent. I imagine that aggression and physical size were more attractive previously since women coveted security above all else and communities were constantly involved in or avoiding violence. Now that we have relative security in the West, much of attraction now seems to be based on men's aesthetics, since the status and opportunity conferred by beauty is paramount (which you'll pass on to your children).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 06:24 PM
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Copy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 02:23 PM
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Appreciate the effort but for a vast majority of guys, only the last two sentences really matter. Mike Pence is a bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 01:44 PM
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This has been my experience mostly, even with OLD. A simple look, a gesture physical or emotional, seeing someone you know from an angle you hadn't before -- most of my relationships / hook-ups have started this way. If mutual attraction could be boiled down to a job interview, this sub would have 10% of the following it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 01:43 PM
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If you can: Successfully separate the idea of "self" to a significant portion of the population, where they can willingly accept / embrace their Internet personality as their primary identity Or make everyone's lives so miserable that they will accept / embrace the benefits of VR as a worthy substitute Then yes, you could make it work. I'd say, however, that the first option is an utter delusion which will require total remapping of what it means to be human, and that the latter is probably more…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 01:37 PM
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Minimum looks threshold is just the great filter at this point. I've rarely seen money or status compensate -- they're just a healthy supplement to the looks threshold. This has been my personal experience and I don't see it fluctuating much between men nor women. You could be completely insufferable or not jive with a guy well, but I doubt that's the case if you're having consistent interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 01:34 PM
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I'd say the opposite for sex. In regards to relationships, you may be right.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 01:28 PM
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I'm in total agreement. But the kinds of women being elevated on the Internet usually fit a certain demographic -- at least decent looking, self-obsessed, "baddie" types. These types of women are being shipped wholesale through the algorithm to young men, and they certainly tend to drift toward certain types of men whom they date. So yeah, if you're terminally online and think these are the only women who exist, you're going to have a hard time coping with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 01:26 PM
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The level of mentorship for young dudes now is non-existent as well -- unfortunately another issue that will garner little sympathy. Forget about sons of single mothers, because we all know the stats on that; fathers simply aren't equipped to put their sons on game (even socially) because they come from a completely different time pre-Internet. Most dudes are learning their concepts of social dynamics from Internet celebrities and YouTube -- idols who simply have nothing in common with their sit…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 01:22 PM
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Feel like this is a problem mostly experienced in the West (where I live) and among only certain demographics. Plenty of average dudes, if not most, settle for just that -- average. It's also comforting to know, by the grace of God, that most people aren't blue / red / black / magenta pilled and just live their lives and see what they can get. We're currently in a game to see how stratified we can get. If the Internet continues to propagate itself to the young and increase their expectations and…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 01:16 PM
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Absolutely false. In a perfect world, sure. But you attaining romance has little to do with "individual peace". If you think your average 16 year old girl or 20 year old dude has any semblance of "individual peace" while in a relationship, you're off that loud.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 01:11 PM
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Agreed. We've developed this weird, parasocial bubble which has developed the illusion that we don't need one another. People don't interact directly with the love and labor which makes their lifestyles possible, and it has made us deluded in the "love yourself" archetype. Self-love is important but has very much devolved into narcissism on a grand scale over the past 10-15 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 01:07 PM
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This is an interesting topic and my personal opinion is that yes, women can be. But the reason why male wrath is demonized so much more heavily than female cruelty, in addition to social programming, is the threshold to which that level of cruelty is reached and the capacity for violence it entails. Women's cruelty is largely emotional and can indeed ruin a person's life. We see this in divorce courts, gossip circles, false allegations, the works. This is for obvious reasons -- women are physica…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 01:03 PM
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Yeah it's a complex issue. I'm more blackpilled on this issue in regards to "the juice isn't worth the squeeze" or there's not juice at all for some men. If the example you've given is true for a given dude, then yeah, you may have to cut your losses or consider something drastic like surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 12:50 PM
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I agree for sure. It all depends on how she ages and her standards. I've seen elegant, decently pretty women around 40 or above. I wouldn't commit personally, but I know with the current climate, somebody would.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 12:46 PM
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100% agree. Couldn't do it myself, but I know tons of dudes who will fuck anything on a night out or to break a cold streak. RP says there's no opportunity for commitment there? Go outside and look around. It's everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 12:45 PM
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Agreed but there's some really crappy advice circulating recently about only focusing on yourself and waiting until you're late 20's or early 30's to pursue women. This idea is ridiculous. You should always be keeping women in your purview for the social experience. Just as important, you don't want to miss out on dating in your 20's -- it's a one-way ticket to bitterness later on.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 05:30 AM
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Both of those red pill pillars are dubious at best. Some men age well, but a majority of men who are average will stay average. You also have to keep in mind that your health and looks can absolutely deteriorate and take more time and effort to manage as you age. Hair loss, in particular, does not help men at all in this department, and is very common for men over 30 (got a hair transplant myself in my mid-20s). Regarding your finances, getting your money up isn't going to impress a ton of women…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 05:26 AM
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Bruh I've had the complete opposite experience. I know a couple dudes who got pinched and pussy came easy as hell to them either when they were committing crimes or as soon as they left the can.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 12:50 PM
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Agree with your points but your jail / prison comment is weird af and not really worth a mention. Most dudes don't go to the can -- mentally, perhaps, but not physically like you've mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 04:01 AM
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It's not bad advice -- it just lacks nuance. I think one of the keys to happiness is to buy into who you are and double down on it. But it's not that black and white, since you have to hone it to people's desires and expectations. If you absolutely love video games and make it your personality, you might not rub people the right way. But if you use the skills you develop in video games to complement your personality while improving your social skills, it can pay dividends for you while also offe…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 03:51 AM
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The focus on aesthetics will only increase since it's pretty much the sole anchor for attraction at this point, at least in the West. Since women are being educated and earning just as much, if not more than men, attraction based on resources is slowly diminishing. The Red Pill places an emphasis on status, but status is very elusive and only attractive in certain fields (eg. being a semi-successful Soundcloud rapper vs a semi-successful gamer hold very different degrees of status). As economic …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 03:47 AM
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