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She's on Tinder, she wants to date. She maybe is interested in you. She maybe just matched you because a lot of girls match anyone they know IRL. I can't tell. Your response was awful. "Secretly?" You're a man, not a 12 year old boy. You don't have secret crushes. You're on Tinder too, where half the girls are looking for a hookup. The only secret intention on Tinder is anal. Everything less than that is explicit. I probably would have said "Does a blowjob count as intentions? :)" But then I hav…
/r/seduction01/09/15 02:45 PM
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I wouldn't say you don't have any chance at all, but it's definitely not going to be a good use of your time. Clubs are about looks and wealth. If you have neither, why would you go there? Ugly guys who pick up hot girls at clubs are usually incredibly loaded and in the VIP section. I'd focus more on traditional online dating. Somewhere like eHarmony, Match, OKCupid. Places where you can play up what's good about you. I'd also improve your looks. Get some good clothes. Get a good haircut and a g…
/r/seduction24/05/15 08:28 PM
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What? No. Don't read any of that crap. Except Models. The best resource right now is probably The Mating Grounds podcast. And for your original question, there is nowhere to stay. She isn't interested. She sent clear signals. You can't accomplish anything. Move on.
/r/seduction16/03/15 03:38 AM
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You seem cool. I don't use this a lot. What's your number?
/r/seduction17/11/14 08:51 PM
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Thanks!
/r/seduction17/11/14 07:45 AM
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You should just tell her exactly that. "I like you and had fun. I don't necessarily want to jump into a relationship right away either, but I don't know if I want to be one of a bunch of dudes you're fucking. Do whatever you want to do, I just ask you to be honest with me about it."
/r/seduction17/11/14 06:46 AM
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Good story but I think you shouldn't be happy about rejecting her. You really had no reason to be mad at the girl. At the time she chose banana guy, you weren't demonstrating to her that you were high enough value to be worth shutting him out for. It's silly to get angry about her reaction to your then poor performance. Later you stepped it up and she came around. Isn't that what you want? Women to ignore guys who don't seem high value and like ones who do? I mean, if women didn't react to guys …
/r/seduction17/11/14 06:11 AM
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Just act the way you'd act if you'd already lost it. I wouldn't settle for less than I would otherwise just to get rid of it. Getting rid of it doesn't do anything for you. It's going to take you a lot more than once to feel like you're any good at it. I also wouldn't place any significance on it. I rarely think about my first anymore. It's just some silly thing that society makes too big a deal about. Also the average age for it is a little over 17 (and that's self-reported, which means it's pr…
/r/seduction27/10/14 04:54 PM
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Wait, so you went straight to her room after meeting? How does that happen. Hi, I'm Ramona, let's go to my room? I'd be careful about reading too much long-term into that one.
/r/seduction20/10/14 02:31 AM
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I love the '80s corporate training video intro to these. I watch them every time just to giggle at the music and the cheesy video effects.
/r/seduction17/10/14 03:43 PM
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It sounds like you're talking about converting a friend into a FWB, right? Most of the advice here is for how to convert a new girl into one, which is probably a better plan but not what you're asking. This happened to me once. The way it happened was we were drinking together and she mentioned that she hadn't gotten laid in a long time. I said "yeah me too" (though for me it'd been like two weeks, and her long time was nearly a year). After an awkward pause I said "You know..." That was all the…
/r/seduction17/10/14 03:18 PM
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He was asking about women that you know, which means #1 and #2 are probably out.
/r/seduction17/10/14 03:15 PM
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You have defined your "real self's" personality as unattractive and weird, and so it is. If you defined it differently, it would be that instead. Your problem is you are not owning who you are. You aren't in school anymore (I'm assuming) where bullying is an issue and the rules changed, but your outlook did not. Your personality is not what you say and do. It's who you are. By gaining more social intelligence you can still be you, but in a way that makes people better able to relate to you.
/r/seduction16/10/14 08:01 PM
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Anime eyes are a thing that happens sometimes. But not always, and often long after you could have kissed her. Often you get them because you kissed her. Just forget about that. I mean if you see them, go for it, but don't let their absence deter you. When I started dating again a few years ago, I resolved to start pushing the boundaries (respectfully of course, not in a rapey way) with women. Trying to kiss them earlier and earlier. Trying to touch them more. Trying to sleep with them sooner an…
/r/seduction16/10/14 07:44 PM
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Women like intelligence. Even dumb women. I don't think writing like an adult signals investment nearly as much as intelligence. Then again I'm a grouchy old man. If any girl wouldn't be turned off by me texting like a 14 year old girl, I wouldn't want her. Also if ANYTHING signals overinvestment, it's asking her to hit you up later after she already ignored you.
/r/seduction08/10/14 01:26 AM
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"Hmu l8r :P"? Under things you did poorly you should list "texted like a 14 year old girl." The fact that dudes text like that is why everyone thinks text game should be avoided. Spell like an adult.
/r/seduction06/10/14 01:18 PM
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But you see the point here. You obviously wanted her or you wouldn't be here posting this. This sub isn't about annoying shit women you don't care about do. It's about how to get them. You tried to leave and you let her keep you there. You have no right to complain. You should have just left. Next time tell her the only way you're staying is if your dick is in her mouth.
/r/seduction03/10/14 07:54 PM
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"she made me wait" No, you did that voluntarily. That's your problem right there. You think she makes you do anything. Everything she did that annoys you, you gave her permission to do by being her bitch. She isn't your friend, or at least shouldn't be, if she acts like that. I'd tell her "you can fuck me or fuck off" and be happy with either result.
/r/seduction03/10/14 05:35 PM
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I love the intro to their videos. It's straight out of a cheesy '80s corporate training vid.
/r/seduction02/10/14 06:12 PM
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"Everybody knows you only use text to set up meetings" That's only true because most people have the spelling/diction of a 12 year old. If you can actually write that rule is silly.
/r/seduction02/10/14 05:48 PM
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I think she likely means exactly what she says. She likes you, but isn't normally the hookup sort. She did it when she was "belligerently drunk" but really is looking for something more than just a hookup with a guy she barely knows. I don't even see what's confusing here.
/r/seduction02/10/14 03:35 AM
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I don't think the entire industry reaches more than like 1% of men. Go around and ask guys about it. They've heard of it, but don't know the first thing. Naturals touch a lot. Like, a whole lot. It's one of the things I was surprised by when I started going out with them about 10 years ago. (I mistakenly thought I couldn't do it well though, turns out that was wrong.)
/r/seduction30/09/14 07:06 PM
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I don't think Seddit advice reaches more than 0.0001% of men. Even if they all tell five friends, it's never going to become commonplace. If guys are getting grabby it's for some other reason. (Was it mentioned in The Game?) Most likely this is just observational bias.
/r/seduction30/09/14 06:38 PM
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I like mine though for the same reason. I'm an incredible cook. And I have a liquor collection like a high end cocktail lounge and know how to use it. And everyone plays better at home than on the road. And I don't hook up with girls who I soon wish would leave.
/r/seduction30/09/14 06:34 PM
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Hamster is a red pill term. It's not a great analogy, but what it refers to is a woman's ability to rationalize her behavior. Like a hamster always runs on a wheel, a woman, so the RPers say, is always rationalizing her own bad behavior. In reality humans of both genders act first and rationalize later. I don't find that behavior to be any more prevalent in women, I think it's just RP observational bias. And it's not all the time, and the hamster isn't a very well thought out analogy.
/r/seduction30/09/14 06:32 PM
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I prefer mine too, but sometimes I find deniability at theirs so easy to come by that it's a slam dunk. For instance a girl a couple weeks ago wouldn't stop talking about her dog so I wanted to meet it. Or another one last week had a masters in piano instruction and I wanted a lesson. You can't tell them you want a piano lesson or to meet their dog, then when they say they aren't comfortable, try to get them to your place, so you have to pick one and go with it. If there's a really strong reason…
/r/seduction30/09/14 06:29 PM
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I think "no worries" is fine. If you don't say anything, it could be construed as you were upset and are just deciding not to talk about it. "No worries" means you weren't upset. (It's all over text, so who knows how things will be construed, that's the big problem of the medium.) Sometimes I'll say "no worries, I know you still love me." Then just continue the conversation. If I know them well enough that that isn't weird.
/r/seduction29/09/14 06:57 PM
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I've done numerous experiments on Tinder in different cities and wrote some posts about it here. I tried numerous opening lines. I can tell you for sure that 56/99 responses to an opening message is horrible. Just saying "Hi [name]! What are you up to tonight?" will get you about 2/3. And a good line should get over 80%.
/r/seduction29/09/14 04:21 AM
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I think there's a bit of competitiveness too. Women are 100% cognizant of which one is the hot one if there's a reasonable gap. I think she feels the need to assert her dominance over the less attractive one. One of my female friends (let's call her a 9) once told me (while very drunk) "I don't go to the gym to 4 to 5 days a week for guys to hit on her instead of me." "Her" was a girl who I'd give a 7, but had sort of a nerdy vibe that would get certain guys to probably give her a bonus point or…
/r/seduction24/09/14 04:08 AM
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You know I've gone out many times with two friends who were both naturals. Both of those dudes bought girls drinks like that. Both of those dudes got laid a lot. (I'd say SNL like 1/3 of the time, phone numbers that led to sex at least 1/3 of the time, sometimes both at the same time.) I think that the advice to not buy girls drinks is probably solid for most guys. But I think it's also pretty alpha for a guy who is already confident. My theory is that it's basically a blatant display of sexual …
/r/seduction24/09/14 03:56 AM
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I didn't know it got taken down. This subreddit kinda sucks anyway. /r/AskMen is less crazy.
/r/seduction24/09/14 12:48 AM
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Go to /r/cocktails and ask what you can do with the bottle of sour apple pucker you just bought. You'll get lots of insults.
/r/seduction23/09/14 09:34 PM
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More like if she says no, now it's awkward as shit and you never see her again.
/r/seduction23/09/14 07:54 PM
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Grab her boob. Hard to get more intimate than that.
/r/seduction23/09/14 05:40 PM
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Your uncle is awesome. He totally won though. You were sort of handicapped though because you couldn't make jokes about using the dildo on his mom since that would be your grandma.
/r/seduction23/09/14 05:38 PM
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This is my demographic, so I've spent years looking. Here's the good ones: Professional organizations, especially young professionals. Lots of cities have a meetup for 20's and 30's professionals. They're not dating-focused meetup but almost everyone there is single. Local chambers of commerce are similar, though the crowd is more varied in age. Yoga classes. Jesus do I love yoga. They're a little more approachable than a gym girl too after you've been there awhile. Events. Look at local museums…
/r/seduction23/09/14 03:17 PM
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First of all, remember that this community is a loosely-organized one. There isn't a standard member's charter or something. People here can have a wide range of motivations, from trying to learn how to trick a girl into letting you bang her once to just trying to become more attractive to women to land a good girlfriend or wife. Many of us here are guys who actually do OK with women, but feel like we could be doing better. We aren't rapists, dirtbags, or assholes. Our attractiveness is maybe a …
/r/seduction23/09/14 03:01 AM
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Be honest with them. If you sense them getting too attached, cut them off, even if they say they're not. At first I didn't do the latter because I thought "well, I told them I wasn't looking for a relationship and not to expect one, so if they get hurt it's their fault." But then I realized it's just in their nature to want you more when you say that, and they do get hurt every time. I personally would rather not hurt them, even if they could/should have avoided it themselves.
/r/seduction20/09/14 04:29 PM
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I just threw up in my mouth.
/r/TheRedPill19/09/14 07:02 PM
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She's probably spent her entire life having guys come up and hit on the girl next to her. I'd be bitchy too if that was my experience.
/r/seduction18/09/14 05:09 PM
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I got divorced at age 31. I'd been with one girl for over ten years, and only a handful of them before that. What I learned: as a guy your stock keeps going up until at least 40. I date more 22 year olds now than I probably could have when I was 22. And better ones. If anything, your best years are ahead of you man.
/r/seduction18/09/14 04:47 PM
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I don't think he was being judgmental. I think he was pointing out that it's natural to be creepy at first.
/r/seduction17/09/14 07:24 PM
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I think a lot of the "problem" with RSD is that their advice is all about the state in which you should end up but doesn't help someone who isn't at least pretty far down the path. Or at least doesn't help as much as it could. It's like if I made videos for 13 year-olds telling them how to drive a Formula 1 race car. They should probably take their dad's Camry out first until they learn how to drive, then worry about the next step, and then the step after, until they're ready for the F1 car. I b…
/r/seduction17/09/14 07:22 PM
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Here's the good news: that's about as bad as it gets. It's all uphill from here man. Take a good look in the mirror. Are you missing any limbs? Did she cut your balls off? What actually happened is nothing. Your ego got temporarily bruised, but that's more a function of you putting her on a pedestal than anything about yourself. Tomorrow she won't remember you. A week from now you won't remember her and the bruise will be healed. That's what's so wonderful about this. Nothing bad happens when yo…
/r/seduction16/09/14 02:50 AM
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Attractive women are everywhere. Go to one of the many places where they're much easier to pick up.
/r/seduction16/09/14 02:04 AM
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If she does something you don't like, kill her?
/r/seduction15/09/14 09:21 PM
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I usually get there from why I dislike feminism. Women respond surprisingly well to that topic. There's almost always a launching point in a conversation from somewhere to "I hate feminism". They almost always are shocked and ask if I hate women. I tell them no, I love women, most of my best friends are women, and feminism is harmful to women. Mating is one area in which it is particularly harmful, so you get to express well thought out views on sex and dating. I tend to date smart girls though,…
/r/seduction15/09/14 08:55 PM
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Why are you intent on going to clubs? Unless you're very good looking you should probably go somewhere that allows for some conversation. See the demographics section of Models by Mark Manson for support. Also just for shits and giggles, you should have tried to figure out the name of the other guy she gave her number to, then pretended to be him.
/r/seduction15/09/14 08:51 PM
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It's not that specific because it happens to a lot of people quite often. I'd say like 25% of the female population does this.
/r/seduction15/09/14 08:30 PM
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She's being rude, and she's making you look like a bitch for accepting her rudeness. It's a big deal. If she's busy, that's another thing. I've gone on a date with someone about 100 times who said something like "I have a super important work email I might need to check for/respond to, sorry about that." That is totally understandable, and the polite way to handle it. I've been in that position too.
/r/seduction15/09/14 08:29 PM
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Making a joke about it comes off as passive-aggressive. It's like what she's doing is bothering you, but you're too afraid to lose her to tell her. Don't be afraid to establish reasonable boundaries and next a girl who won't respect them.
/r/seduction15/09/14 08:04 PM
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Why not? You're making the assumption that ending it isn't the right direction. I've got plenty of other girls who are excited to spend time with me. If this one isn't, I'd rather move on to the next. I've actually ended dates early due to this. Read Models by Mark Manson. This is a clear case of needing to establish boundaries. Women often respond better to that than you think. And the ones who don't aren't worth time. You were obviously bothered by that behavior or you wouldn't be here. And yo…
/r/seduction15/09/14 07:58 PM
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I'd just ask "am I boring you?" and get somewhat confrontational. At that point I'm ready to next her anyway. I have a very short fuse about that.
/r/seduction15/09/14 04:19 PM
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"I also have a huge penis"
/r/seduction15/09/14 04:14 PM
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"I'm not fucking you unless I know you're staying the night" What? That sounds really needy. And she turned down morning sex? I'd say she's almost certainly not interested.
/r/seduction15/09/14 04:02 PM
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That is a world class wingman right there. Cooked for you and cleaned your room, then pretend to fell asleep. You owe that guy!
/r/seduction15/09/14 02:47 PM
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"I was going to sleep with him but then I found out his name was Kaelen," said no woman ever.
/r/seduction14/09/14 11:01 AM
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Most of the time people use olive oil they should be using canola. And yes, restaurants are not supposed to leave the meat to rest to room temp but the good ones do it anyway.
/r/seduction14/09/14 05:01 AM
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FWIW, it doesn't matter whether the oil is cold when it hits the pan. It matters that it's hot when you put the protein in. Letting the protein rest to room temperature before adding to super hot oil (heated to just before smoke point) prevents sticking.
/r/seduction13/09/14 09:00 PM
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I'd give you morning sex for that :)
/r/seduction13/09/14 02:51 PM
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My answer is to serve pan-roasted halibut, or a roasted chicken, with sauteed greens. Both are easy to make and will have a girl say "that's the best fish/chicken" I've ever tasted. The pan roasted halibut recipe is from Ad Hoc at Home. The chicken recipe is an injection brine I'd be happy to share if anyone wants.
/r/seduction13/09/14 02:51 PM
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Chefsteps is also pretty great. It's largely focused on modernist cookin g, but a modernist chef has to know everything a classical chef does plus more, so they cover the classical stuff. They have a class on how to cook meat without special tools.
/r/seduction13/09/14 02:47 PM
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Don't ditch your stuff and get out of line. That's a bitch move and has you chasing her. Instead, just keep talking to her after she is done paying. Unless she's in a rush, she'll stand there with you, and it will turn into her waiting there with you, which is her chasing you.
/r/seduction13/09/14 02:24 PM
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If someone said "I'll take it from here" to me, I'd slam what was left of my drink, hand him the empty glass, and say "thanks." Then go on talking to the girl like he wasn't there.
/r/seduction12/09/14 10:45 PM
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Well, the long term solution is to hook up with enough extremely hot girls to realize internally that you can always replace her if you have/want to. That's not going to help you right now. The best you can do in the short run is to realize it's mostly in your head. "I could tell by the expression on her face that she was puzzled about what exactly I was. We had sex that night, but I could tell her attraction towards me had drastically diminished." That was probably at least mostly in your head.…
/r/seduction11/09/14 09:11 PM
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That makes sense. All I know is I saw it on YouTube, tried, and it does work quite well.
/r/seduction11/09/14 03:53 PM
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I don't mind a girl's perspective. It's a data point.
/r/seduction10/09/14 06:48 PM
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That's fine. It's filtering. If your humor and my humor don't match we weren't going to work out anyway. I'd rather annoy 80% of girls and make 20% laugh than make 100% of them do neither. Also it was just an example off the top of my head of one thing I said a couple times that was probably better IRL than on the page. I don't have scripts. The point was to make a joke.
/r/seduction10/09/14 06:21 PM
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I might just run that on fat girls because why not?
/r/seduction10/09/14 05:20 PM
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Here's my order of preference for openers. It's not the best, but it does get way better results than I would have believed was humanly possible a year ago. Can I say something funny? Say that. Coffee shops are easy. "I bet you're the kind of girl who orders something with like 8 words in it, like a soy double half caf no whip moca chino aren't you?" Then when they ask me what I got, it's an iced tea, because real men don't drink anything with more than two words in it. And even then I'd prefer …
/r/seduction10/09/14 03:33 PM
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She won't refuse most likely if you phrase it well. "Hey, you brought up some stuff about what's going on with us the other night and I was too drunk to really articulate how I felt. I think you deserve an answer, and I'd like to meet up sometime soon so I can do a better job of it." If she's not responsive to that, she loses value, not you. You are doing the manly thing. You can set it up over text or a phone call that way, but I'd do the talk in person. There's just too much chance of somethin…
/r/seduction10/09/14 02:47 PM
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Seduction is about achieving success with women. How you define success is up to you. If it's just running up numbers on a scoreboard and you're over the age of 30 there's probably something you're making up for.
/r/seduction10/09/14 02:45 PM
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Forget about which is accurate. Which presents you with a mindset more likely to land you a 10? The idea that they're unattainable, or the idea that they're the same as every other girl? Clearly the latter.
/r/seduction09/09/14 02:09 AM
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First of all, being short isn't your problem. I'm 5'5.5" myself. I do ok. I won't lie and say it helps, but it is very easy to blame failure on that. Don't. (I wrote a little bit of a guide on it here awhile back.) It's at most a minor handicap. Like my totally unscientific guess is with great game, it'll reduce the number of girls who hook by 10%. Getting back in shape will help a lot. Don't wait on your knees to start. Just do stuff that doesn't require them at the gym. Fix your diet now too. …
/r/seduction08/09/14 07:04 PM
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Or, his first message was at 3:10 a.m. so she fell asleep. Not that you shouldn't take the lead, but it's always a mistake to take one data point as meaningful in something with high variance.
/r/seduction08/09/14 06:51 PM
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Examples?
/r/seduction08/09/14 03:44 PM
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That's sort of what this whole subreddit is about. You should read around for quite a bit and then ask more specific questions. See the links on the right under "New Here?".
/r/seduction08/09/14 03:37 PM
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Have you tried the two truths and a lie game?
/r/seduction07/09/14 11:38 PM
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Make them laugh. Say funny stuff. That's really all you have to do.
/r/seduction07/09/14 08:47 PM
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Well I think you just have to do what works for you. I don't like acting. I used to do indirect because I read some stuff that said you should, and I never really got results I liked. And I think I got bad results because it just wasn't comfortable for me and they saw right through it. I just came off weird. I switched to direct and prefer it. I do much better that way, probably because I prefer it. I'm far from a master (I probably hook up with 1-2 new girls a month, so I'm not bagging 100's of…
/r/seduction07/09/14 07:05 PM
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Remember, she has no reason to be mad. You weren't dating her. Don't apologize for it.
/r/seduction07/09/14 05:44 PM
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I don't get more flakes or fewer instadates from going direct. I do spend less time traveling down dead end roads.
/r/seduction07/09/14 05:29 PM
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If you aren't having success, you aren't doing everything right. It's that simple. Without more info none of us here could possibly help you debug the situation, but you are failing in at least one area and probably more.
/r/seduction07/09/14 04:22 PM
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Go fuck ten other girls. That's how you should proceed.
/r/seduction07/09/14 03:48 PM
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I don't think the problem is the direct vs. indirect opening. When you open a woman indirectly, unless she's 12 years old she knows exactly what's going on, so it's really about the same to them. Not to mention the guy is using indirect opening (where's the dog park?) anyway. It's the shallowness of the interaction here that's going to turn those numbers into nothing. He hasn't given them any reason to be impressed at all. All she knows is that he had a dog.
/r/seduction07/09/14 03:40 PM
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I like linen scented products. I use scentless detergent and linen fabric softener. You shouldn't have to use much scented products though or you're probably not cleaning frequently enough.
/r/seduction07/09/14 02:57 PM
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You probably have herpes and will never have any symptoms. Anyone who has been with more than 10 or 20 people probably has herpes, no matter how safe they are. Even if you tested negative for herpes you probably have herpes and just happened to get tested when the viral load was too low to show up. Long story short: don't worry about herpes. It's the most common and least bad STD.
/r/seduction06/09/14 11:57 PM
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What is the glove protecting you from? Can you get anything at all via the hands?
/r/seduction06/09/14 11:55 PM
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Here's what helped me long ago: tell yourself your only goal is to get over AA. You aren't trying to pick them up. You're just going to say hi. That's it. No matter what they say back, you're just saying hi and then leaving. (If I were on a campus, I might go somewhere else to run this to avoid social circle implications.) Imagine that there's some number, let's say 100, of approaches after which you won't fear it anymore. (That's actually probably true, though the number may be more or less.) A…
/r/seduction06/09/14 11:52 PM
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I'd send back "don't worry, my penis is only 22."
/r/seduction05/09/14 09:22 PM
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Don't! Remember, you're the life of the party. Do you think Brad Pitt would worry about that girl talking to another guy when he went to piss? Hell no. He'd just start chatting up other girls. It's a captive audience so you'll generally talk to her later. And you might meet another one instead.
/r/seduction05/09/14 06:44 PM
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If you're gaming them and this happens much it's a big sign of disinterest. I usually just eject and look for my next target.
/r/seduction05/09/14 06:39 PM
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There isn't a hotel in Vegas that isn't full of hot women, but I'd probably go with Wynn.
/r/seduction05/09/14 03:00 PM
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I don't think that's true at all. How many girls do you know who text all day every day? Like all of them. If you're funny you're neither needy or annoying.
/r/seduction05/09/14 03:20 AM
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Couldn't disagree more. You can build tons of attraction over text if you can be funny. I think most people just have the writing skills of a four year old, so they should probably make a call. If you could be funny over morse code on a telegraph, you could build attraction that way.
/r/seduction04/09/14 07:39 PM
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What I just read is "I'm doing this thing, and it's getting me good results, and I'm not sure if I should keep doing it because my friends said it was a bad idea." Fuck your friends. If you like calling them and it gets you results you're happy with, keep doing it. Me personally, I like texting better. I like it because I'm good at it, and I'm good at it because I like it. (I am good with the writings.) But if I preferred calling, I'd do that.
/r/seduction04/09/14 07:36 PM
3

Wear long sleeves.
/r/seduction03/09/14 04:30 PM
2

My guess is you're not projecting passion and masculinity. Hard to say without knowing you really.
/r/seduction02/09/14 06:11 PM
1

I'll tell you why I know this is true. When I started online dating, I was way too slow about it. Most connections would fizzle. Some would ask me for a date. Some would hang around until I asked and then say yes. One or two said "I thought you'd never ask." I realized, not one rejection when I asked. Ever. That had to mean I'm being too passive. So I started asking more aggressively. Still not one rejection. Kept pushing and pushing. Turns out, I never got to a point where I got frequent reject…
/r/seduction02/09/14 05:38 PM
2

I think it depends what you're looking for. If you just want SNLs from a club, probably. By the time they figure it out you already came on their tits and are done with them. If you're looking for more, what's eventually going to happen is a girl is going to notice you lost 4" when you took your shoes off, which reeks of low self-esteem.
/r/seduction02/09/14 05:34 PM
1

Playing with their jewelry is a great excuse.
/r/seduction02/09/14 05:25 PM
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First off, you did it. So no, it didn't go poorly. Going poorly is not even going up to her. So congrats. Second, slow it down a bit. You can't just run up and say "let's go on a date". There are tons of great infield videos on YouTube about cold approaching. See Justin Wayne, Good Looking Loser, Simple Pickup etc.
/r/seduction02/09/14 05:20 PM
1

Facebook is good for this. Friend her up. Then when you go to where she is, hit her up. She'll remember you more because she'll cyberstalk you a bit after you friend her, and see pics.
/r/seduction02/09/14 05:12 PM
1

Pretend she was a fat girl you were interested in being friends with. What would you do then? Now do that.
/r/seduction01/09/14 05:08 AM
7

Why is it an either or? Get a second job so you can do both.
/r/seduction31/08/14 04:26 PM
3

This forum isn't specifically about same night lays (SNL). It's just about seduction in general, so you'll find plenty of people here who are relationship focused too. There's really not much difference honestly. I've ended up in relationships with girls I hooked up with on the first date. And ones where it took me 10 (usually because they were evaluating me as relationship material and thought they were "supposed to wait"). It just depends on your attitude toward sex. If you (like me) don't thi…
/r/seduction30/08/14 08:09 PM
1

You probably did not go for it too soon. A lot of times when girls dodge the kiss, they still give you points for trying. You showed balls and interest. Just keep it up and if she's interested you'll get her, and if not, well, you weren't going to anyway and you'll save time.
/r/seduction30/08/14 05:28 AM
1

Yeah, it's not necessarily a bad idea. You just can't fuck your way out of low self esteem. It's like trying to fill a bucket with a hole in it.
/r/seduction30/08/14 05:22 AM
9

That's largely untrue. It's like saying the best way to get over anxiety is alcohol. It treats the symptom but not the disease, and after awhile you just have two problems. Oneitis comes from feeling like you can't do better, which comes from low self-esteem. Fix the low self-esteem (sex won't do that) and you fix the oneitis.
/r/seduction29/08/14 08:42 PM
1

Been there man. Meaningless sex just made me feel worse. Time and self-effort fixed it though.
/r/seduction29/08/14 08:41 PM
4

I think if she wanted just a one night stand, she wouldn't ask if you were going to talk about it. Figure out what it is you want. Then tell her. Give her a call.
/r/seduction29/08/14 06:53 PM
1

It's hard to know if you're being checked out accurately. I think an easier way to calibrate is how women respond to opening.
/r/seduction29/08/14 06:48 PM
1

So here's what I always tell people: just pretend she's a fat girl you were interested in being friends with. Quit thinking about silly rules like how long to wait, whether you can text her a second time before she texts you back, etc. Guys only make all those rules to avoid seeming needy, and they only need rules to help with that because they're coming from a scarcity mindset. If she were just a potential friend you'd never get needy. Look at how you text your guy friends. Do you ever worry if…
/r/seduction29/08/14 06:05 PM
0

If I get their phone number I'd say about 75%.
/r/seduction29/08/14 05:50 PM
1

Is that like an etiquette thing here I just didn't know? If so I apologize.
/r/seduction29/08/14 05:46 PM
1

Awesome.
/r/seduction29/08/14 05:33 PM
2

If you're getting numbers there are 2 possible problems. 1 is that they're not an enthusiastic number. They gave you their number because they weren't really sure what to do, but you hadn't really sold them to the point where they were hoping you'd use it. Can't help you if that's the problem since you gave no info about the actual interactions, but even if you did it'd be hard. Problem 2 is that you're losing them after the number close. Why'd you wait 2 days? That's a big mistake right there. …
/r/seduction29/08/14 03:45 PM
2

Interesting. I'd love to hear how the data goes when you get more of it!
/r/seduction29/08/14 03:36 PM
1

It also screams dorm room. If you're over 22, move up to high quality cotton.
/r/seduction29/08/14 03:33 PM
1

Yes, I had black in the past and you do have to wash it basically every time. I go with a classic white striped, like a high end hotel.
/r/seduction29/08/14 03:32 PM
3

Yep! This is the easiest part of your game to get right too. Any moron can do it.
/r/seduction29/08/14 03:31 PM
1

My trick: get a few sets. Rotate when I do laundry.
/r/seduction29/08/14 03:18 PM
2

Lol. I am not.
/r/seduction29/08/14 03:00 PM
1

Ha, welcome!
/r/seduction29/08/14 03:00 PM
7

No. On Tinder, as in the real world, you get theirs every time. They'll chicken out most of the time, even when they're interested.
/r/seduction29/08/14 02:52 PM
5

Yeah, without conversion rates this is meaningless. Anything can work on Tinder 4 times.
/r/seduction29/08/14 02:49 PM
260

Actually that's a great question. I'm a firm believer that good bed setups get you a lot of extra repeat business. Also even though sheets seem expensive, good ones last fucking forever. This is one of those areas where you generally get what you pay for. Don't be fooled just by threadcount (TC). TC matters if all else is equal, but it can be misleading or just plain overstated in a lower end brand. A higher quality cotton is more important than a couple hundred extra TC. Egyptian Cotton or Pima…
/r/seduction28/08/14 07:52 PM
4

Most women past their early 20s are marriage-minded. (Until maybe you hit the cougar demo.)
/r/seduction28/08/14 06:48 PM
2

It's not so much time of day as social setting, so you may want to specify. For instance a party is different than a chill bar, which is different than a club. Parties are the easiest place I have yet found to approach women. Women don't have their bitch shields up because everyone there is at most one degree of separation away (i.e. a friend of a friend). For a very long time there parties were the only thing that kept me from being an AFC. Just walk up and introduce yourself and start chatting…
/r/seduction28/08/14 06:46 PM
2

Probably not. One easy way to tell: tell her that you're not interested in being friends and that if you meet up and like her you're probably going to kiss her. If she says she doesn't want to meet up then next. I've done this with both results in the past, but usually her mind is made up.
/r/seduction28/08/14 03:48 PM
2

When the conversation stalls, it's only awkward if it feels awkward. Next time you're hanging out with a guy friend, watch the way conversation flows. There'll be times where nobody is talking but it doesn't feel weird. You're comfortable. Same with women. You aren't a dancing monkey and neither is she. Just don't worry about it and it'll not be awkward, and then it'll pick itself back up again. Beyond that, talk about whatever you feel like talking about. Be present and in the moment. Don't wor…
/r/seduction28/08/14 03:36 PM
1

I don't recommend it either. Sooner or later they come off.
/r/seduction28/08/14 02:35 PM
1

Think he meant solitude.
/r/seduction28/08/14 03:43 AM
1

"Lesbian Frankenstein wants her shoes back" works on almost every guy all the time.
/r/seduction28/08/14 03:36 AM
1

Stair fingering might get awwwwkwaaaard.
/r/TheRedPill27/08/14 10:12 PM
1

Someone doing nice things for you does not put you in their debt. Male or female. If they're really being nice, they did not do it for you to reciprocate. They did it to help you. If they expect reciprocation, they are just manipulating. Her being there for you at a tough time is wonderful. But it does not mean you owe her a lifetime of putting up with severe craziness.
/r/TheRedPill27/08/14 09:58 PM
1

Outcome dependence stems from insecurity. The less insecure you are, the less dependent you will be. This takes time. You will go through a long slog to get there, and 90% of the people who start the journey will give up. Mark Manson's Models is a fucking killer tome on this.
/r/seduction27/08/14 08:57 PM
1

Well, it's not being a bitch to not want to hurt people's feelings. That's just decent of you. It's a tough situation. Curious to hear how it ends up.
/r/seduction27/08/14 04:54 PM
2

If women are blowing you off every time you open, then there's your sticking point. And you made out with 20 girls but didn't close any of them. My guess is you have more than 1 sticking point. And dude that's ok. Just find and eliminate them.
/r/seduction27/08/14 04:30 PM
1

I don't know why people worry so much about online vs offline game. You should do what works. If you can line 'em up and knock 'em down on OKC, why should you have to go to some shitty club? I think you should do what works. It probably is easy for some people who aren't very good at it to fall into a trap of thinking online dating will work by itself. But if you are good at it, it can. (I do both.)
/r/seduction27/08/14 04:24 PM
2

I'm lost. What exactly did you do wrong? You were honest about your relationship status the whole way. You were honest about the other girl. She gave you the cold shoulder for a bit and what, you're supposed to just wait for her? Your mistake is telling her she has a right to be upset. She doesn't. You are an honest guy (if you weren't you could have lied about Girl B). Explain to her that you did not cheat on her, and you felt she was distant and uninterested in you or you would have been with …
/r/seduction27/08/14 04:08 PM
2

I'll be the lone dissenter and say don't use a hooker. Not because your V-card is some special gift or bla bla bla. But because you won't feel anything but worse after. (I haven't done it, but I have had a slump buster or two in my day and those actually made me feel worse, and I have to imagine a hooker is even worse than that.) What's going to make you feel better isn't sex, it's the ability to attract a high quality woman to have sex with you. A hooker isn't that. Also herpes is a serious ris…
/r/seduction27/08/14 03:49 PM
1

Well, you're thinking of "pickup" as this trademarked thing, like Crossfit. It's not, it's more like exercise in general. You're bad at attracting women. Or bad at closing. Or opening. How's that? You're not "just an incel". Like that's some thing people just are. And incel is just someone very bad at attracting women. And like anything else you are very bad at, you can get much better. But first you have to accept that you have a problem. That's all I'm trying to point out. You've definitely go…
/r/seduction27/08/14 03:46 PM
2

If you aren't getting laid, you don't know pickup. You can spend 100 grand on it and still suck. You aren't being honest with yourself, and that's your problem. You don't seem to even be willing to admit you might suck at it. If you have been going out 7 nights a week and not gotten laid once in years, you suck at it. I go out approaching once a week and am pulling monthly, and I'm not even very good. It sounds harsh but I am really hoping to just make you see that the problem isn't bad luck, it…
/r/seduction27/08/14 03:21 PM
1

From Wikipedia: Furthermore, professor Adam Eyre-Walker, from the University of Sussex, has stated that there is, as yet, no evidence that these preferences are evolutionary preferences, as opposed to merely cultural preferences.
/r/seduction27/08/14 02:51 PM
0

I honestly don't think it matters in day game, but I am far from an expert.
/r/seduction27/08/14 02:50 PM
1

Please message me and let me know what happens! I'd love to hear.
/r/seduction27/08/14 02:46 PM
1

Also, ABP: always be pulling. My new mantra.
/r/seduction27/08/14 02:45 PM
1

You know, I read some pickup coach who said he is 5'4" and says 5'10" online. I was really curious about that. I figured women would think this. I doubt you could tell whether someone was 5'5" or 5'7" IRL, especially when they have shoes on. You certainly could tell the difference between 5'4" and 5'10".
/r/seduction27/08/14 02:43 PM
4

At least the fat guy can at any time stop being fat.
/r/seduction27/08/14 02:41 PM
2

I have never had a girl say that to me.
/r/seduction27/08/14 02:40 PM
1

Yeah, shut it down. That's not going to cause you anything but heartache.
/r/seduction27/08/14 03:07 AM
3

That is actually the weakest part of my game. I get some success with it. But I do much better with online/Tinder/social circle/meetups/etc. The one downside is you have to rely more on your personality. I feel like it's a lot harder for a short guy in a club. If I can't talk, I'm severely handicapped. I mean as good as I may look, there are 100 guys just as good but 6" taller. I readily admit this could just be that I suck at club approaches, and if I were better it wouldn't be that severe. I d…
/r/seduction27/08/14 01:29 AM
2

I was telling my friend this the other day. I think that when you ask a girl out anymore the first thing that goes through her head is "how is this going to look on Instagram?" (Not literally or consciously, but you know what I'm saying.) Honestly, don't beat yourself up about it. You're hard-wired that way because for a long time height was a measure of physical fitness. You're not a bad person for finding something unattractive, even if it's something we really can't help. I'd be lying if I sa…
/r/seduction27/08/14 01:02 AM
1

I feel that way too. Though it does crack me up when I read stuff on here from guys who are 6'. I do think that knowing me, if I were taller I would have naturally gotten just enough success with women to not be driven to get more and ended up stuck below where I should be. Also, airplanes are much more comfortable for us.
/r/seduction27/08/14 12:50 AM
1

I do lift bro :) If I had to rate me (not counting height) I'd go with 7.5 or 8. I mean I dress well, am in decent shape, pay a stylist to give me a decent hair cut. I feel like most women might give me a 6 or 7 at best, but then some number of them a 9 or 10. Numerous women have told me I'm hot, including the tall blonde from my story earlier. But most girls don't seem wowed by me. Girls say my lips are very sexy, and I have salt and pepper hair which a lot of them like. I think that's good tho…
/r/seduction27/08/14 12:47 AM
1

Well, other than what I just mentioned, I think it's pretty much like any other strategy. I'm no master, like I said, but I do ok. I just got a lot of experience talking to girls taller than me so I have that part down. At first, when I didn't have that part down, every girl would say she was ok with it, continue talking to me for a bit just because she didn't want me to feel she was shallow, and then disappear. (This is mostly with the online portion of the game, since IRL they don't really ask…
/r/seduction27/08/14 12:44 AM
1

Give it a shot. I'll be curious to hear what you think.
/r/seduction27/08/14 12:42 AM
2

My guess is you will find you've slowly gone a little too far from alpha to beta. It's time-sensitive but as long as it's not too far gone you can fix it.
/r/seduction26/08/14 10:07 PM
2

Message me and let me know how it works!
/r/seduction26/08/14 10:05 PM
7

On behalf of non-sleazy short guys everywhere, let me just say you're awesome :)
/r/seduction26/08/14 10:05 PM
3

Read Married Guy Sex Life now. Today. It will explain why and what to do about it.
/r/seduction26/08/14 09:05 PM
3

And it can be an opportunity if you make it an opportunity.
/r/seduction26/08/14 08:49 PM
2

Oh I don't bring it up. I just don't shy away if they do, and they always do. Even though I hate PUA acronyms and lingo I'll use it: I use it as an opportunity to DHV.
/r/seduction26/08/14 08:48 PM
3

Nope. You should never pretend anything, just flip the script. You didn't remember their name because they are more important to you than you are to them. You remembered it because you're a fucking rockstar who remembers everyone's name. (Which, btw, you should be.) If I remember my name and they don't remember mine, I tell them about name mnemonics. It's a way to display intelligence and social savvy. They'll remember yours after that 100% of the time.
/r/seduction26/08/14 07:46 PM
5

It affects what type of game works on her, yes. Smarter girls generally need more intellectual stimulation. Yes they sometimes want to just get fucked by an alpha male too, but they're in that mode much less of the time than a dumb girl.
/r/seduction26/08/14 07:42 PM
1

I would have said "because I really like you and wanted to." Be honest with a girl and you won't ruin a friendship. What will ruin a friendship is, if after you make your intentions clear and she LJBFs you, you become an orbiter waiting for her to change her mind.
/r/seduction26/08/14 06:27 PM
1

Well it sounds like you're on the right track. 14 to an 8 is a great jump in a year. Improving your self-esteem takes time, just like improving your body, and it sounds like you're doing that too. What's funny about one-itis is what you just said, that you have it with multiple people. How is it that the human brain can convince itself that one person is the only one for you, over and over? Sometimes even with multiple people at the same time. You'd think after time #5 you'd realize what's going…
/r/seduction26/08/14 03:51 PM
1

Yeah, just run the same game you would on a girl who wasn't in your social circle. I've done this with mixed results, but in neither case did it really ruin anything. The only thing is you have to be willing to actually be just friends if you get shot down.
/r/seduction26/08/14 03:45 PM
1

Man I have been there, and I know how you feel. But you can't do more than be honest and let people make their own decisions. You don't want to deprive the girls who like the same things you do.
/r/seduction26/08/14 03:44 PM
1

If I date a girl for 1 month, I get much more than just that out of it. And she does too. I'm an intensely spiritual person though, and so would be any girl I date for a month.
/r/seduction25/08/14 08:35 PM
1

It's tough. I assume you mean people you aren't already friend-zoned with. But who are close enough to friends that it will be awkward. The thing is, just go for it the same way you would with any other girl. I mean, you're not doing anything wrong. You might fail, and your friends will hear about it. The women who hear about it will give you points for having balls. Really nothing bad happens. You are worried you'll be ostracized, but barring some really unusually circumstances you get LJBFed a…
/r/seduction25/08/14 08:20 PM
2

The problem most men have with women is that they think women are more scarce than they actually are. It's not really a resource acquisition problem (i.e. how do I get more women to like me) it's a filtering problem (i.e. how do I figure out which of the thousands of single women near me I should be with). Or at least it is once you conquer approach anxiety, which takes like a day for most of us. A good looking woman does not have this problem. The subtext of every conversation a man that isn't …
/r/seduction25/08/14 08:05 PM
5

I fall in love with every girl I connect with. It's fucking tough man. What helped me was Eastern Philosophy. You have to realize that they are probably going to be in your life a very short period of time. Maybe some of them won't, but most of them will. And you have to take the positive things you can from that and be genuinely grateful for the experience, without losing yourself to the desire to extend it.
/r/seduction25/08/14 07:49 PM
2

If you are not being honest and open with them, you should feel guilty. If you make your intentions very clear, and don't lead them on, then they are making their own decisions and you have nothing to feel guilty about. The thing you have to remember is, sometimes girls don't want anything more than a fling too. Sometimes they do, but you tell them you don't, and they say "ok" and act like they don't. The latter end up getting hurt. But that hurt is because they weren't being honest either with …
/r/seduction25/08/14 06:30 PM
1

Make female friends, hang out with them and have fun. That will solve the problem easily. It's not really a short-term solution, but it will also make you a much more attractive guy long-term.
/r/seduction25/08/14 06:16 PM
1

"If she's always wanting sex, tell her no once in a while." seems like the craziest thing I've ever heard. "Hey honey, you're basically the perfect wife, so I'm going to punish you for that." In my (admittedly limited) 10+ years of relationship experience, I find a woman's sex drive to be the best possible indicator of her happiness in the relationship.
/r/seduction25/08/14 06:09 PM
2

To be fair, this post in particular is a Redditor summing up a book written by a relationship "expert". So if you assume the Redditor is intelligent enough to write a decent summary (and I'd give him that because it isn't difficult and the guy writes clearly enough) then I'd consider it advice from an expert. That said relationships are so complicated that even experts are taking basically informed guesses. So don't take anything as gospel.
/r/seduction25/08/14 06:09 PM
1

Here's what I do. Stare right back. See if they hold it (usually don't). If they just glance away, I make no assumption one way or the other. If they hold I'd lean moderately in favor of interested (i.e. more likely than a girl who hasn't looked at you at all) but not by any means in the bag. If they are interested (and unfortunately maybe even if they aren't) they'll look again. Next time smile at them. See if they smile back or give the "what a creep" look away. The latter doesn't happen often…
/r/seduction25/08/14 06:04 PM
1

Oh, that is pretty common. I think that most guys experience that often. I don't think it's so much your vibe as their guilt. The next day you're that guy they got drunk and went a little too far with. They're already feeling like they're lucky they didn't wake up next to you, why would they put themselves in that position again? My solution: if I'm interested in a girl as a long term thing, take it a little slower unless I'm really sure. I might still invite her back to my house with a flimsy e…
/r/seduction25/08/14 05:26 PM
2

This is one of the few things I seem to be pretty good at. A few notes: Your busy lifestyle is probably more of a turn-on than a turn-off. "I'm a successful, busy guy who will make what time for you I can" is a great frame. Unless it's so bad you can't even swing one date a week, it's probably not the problem. Is it possible you're not knocking it out in the bedroom? I find a nearly 100% correlation between girls where I felt like the sex was great and ones who want more of it. Sometimes you hav…
/r/seduction25/08/14 03:40 PM
1

What is your intention? If you are deciding to just be friends with them, then it doesn't matter. Treat them the same way you would any guy. If you've decided that you're morally OK pursuing women in a relationship, then just go for a date. Treat her like any other girl.
/r/seduction25/08/14 01:12 AM
2

I just spent a weekend in Vegas doing this. I sucked at it. Most every set was kind but didn't really hook. In 50 approaches only one set was rude, and then it was because one of them was wasted and the other two were nice. So mostly be prepared to feel awkward and then not go anywhere with it. And do it again and again. I got a few solid numbers an wasn't approaching anything less than an 8, and I suck, so I really believe that once you get over AA you can at least get something.
/r/seduction25/08/14 01:09 AM
1

I have had this exact same experience, when I was 20 with the woman who became my wife. She had come to have some messed up views on sex, as she'd never been with a man, but had been sexually assaulted by a former friend of mine. We had a talk about it and it went away for good.
/r/seduction25/08/14 01:02 AM
1

Hell if I know. I don't shit where I eat for that reason.
/r/seduction24/08/14 05:55 AM
1

It's basically impossible to get any real data if you don't just assume demographics don't matter that much. Even in Chicago there are only about 15k female tinder accounts in my age range (18-35). I think what I'll do is do them on the same day/time every time. Let them all run for a week. You do notice a very rapid dropoff in matches after 2 days. I'd say you get half the matches within the first few hours, 25% by the end of day 1, 20% more by the end of day 2.
/r/seduction20/08/14 07:50 PM
1

Also possible. I've gotten a couple extra devices so that won't be a factor anymore. I'll be able to collect them for weeks. I should probably pick a standard day though and start there.
/r/seduction20/08/14 06:35 PM
1

Actually I suspect there is something wrong. But as long as its equally wrong for every test the data should still be useful. For science!
/r/seduction20/08/14 04:17 PM
1

I've come to a couple conclusions so far from my experiment. Get them off Tinder ASAP. Tinder accounts have a shelf-life measured in days. Also, you will very rarely get rejected for a phone number after 5-10 messages. Good excuses: Tinder kills your battery, or you want to send them a photo of something you talked about. Be funny. Girls are tired of being asked "hey how are you?" (This isn't that different than online or even offline dating.) Make them laugh a few times, then ask for their numb…
/r/seduction20/08/14 04:07 PM
7

Everyone worries about the awkwardness that happens after you strike out. It's really not there at all unless you make it be. You ask, she says no, you move the fuck on and friendzone her right back and all is good. You often will end up good friends. What really causes problems is when you don't strike out. Try seeing someone every day who you hooked up with a few times but then it didn't work out.
/r/seduction20/08/14 03:44 PM
1

I wouldn't overthink it. It sounds like you did a good job. If there was a decent amount of hand holding then I can't imagine she is mistaking your intentions. She knows you're dating and not friends. If she's seeing you again, then that means she wants to go on date 2. I'd make sure to get a kiss in on date 2. Which shouldn't be hard if you're already holding hands.
/r/seduction20/08/14 03:29 PM
2

Yeah, this is purely scientific. Though I have so many promising leads that I think I'm going to have to take a vacation to Chicago in a couple weeks! I wonder sometimes if they'll patch it. I mean, does it hurt anyone in any way? Women don't really know or care if the guy ran an auto-liker. And they already have a bottomless pit of men to chose from. Regardless there's always a workaround. It's pretty easy to make a Tasker bot that likes everyone, or use the emulator and AutoHotKey/AutoIt. I pr…
/r/seduction20/08/14 03:23 PM
1

Guess maybe I'm ugly :)
/r/seduction20/08/14 03:20 PM
1

Thanks man!
/r/seduction19/08/14 08:23 PM
2

Why do people focus so much on that? The liking is automated, so it isn't as if I had to send an email to 5,000 girls. I spent one minute of work to get the phone numbers of 6 girls who are hot and fun to talk to. It's no different than if you manually sent 6 likes to 6 8's or better and got 6 phone numbers, but were capped and not allowed to send more. But you'd use that app right?
/r/seduction19/08/14 06:17 PM
1

I am doing a scientific experiment with Tinder to figure out what works. http://projectm35.com/2014/08/18/the-great-tinder-experiment-part-3-data-collection-day-1-813/
/r/seduction19/08/14 03:02 PM
1

Yes. Just enable it, kill Tinder, wait an hour, reenable Tinder. You should be there. Also, do not disable it. If Tinder picks up your change in location again, you'll lose all the matches.
/r/seduction19/08/14 02:38 PM
2

Well, my process sucked at that point. (I'm posting data on a bit of a lag.) I think 6 numbers would be more reasonable even for my crappy photo set. (Probably way more on a good one.) And once you automate the process (10 minutes if you're reasonably savvy) there's almost no effort involved. So even at my sucky level, it's like 1 minute of work, match with 50 hot girls (and 150 not so hot ones), get a handful of phone numbers. I ended up having the opposite problem in the next part, got so many…
/r/seduction18/08/14 07:20 PM
1

Hi all, If any of you have any questions about Tinder you think I can answer via data, or suggestions for things like opening lines, please let me know. I plan on running this experiment over a few months and it seems like it will not be hard to test a lot of things.
/r/seduction18/08/14 06:44 PM
1

Bars (not clubs) helped me greatly reduce my AA. Here's why. Social proof. I go to the same bars frequently and make friends with the employees. Instant proof. I met a girl a few weeks back and that was a key part of why. There's nothing better than when you're talking to her and the manager sends you a free drink, three hot female bartenders come hug you, etc. One of my friends who is a bartender was telling my family this weekend what a player I am because she sees me approach so many women an…
/r/seduction18/08/14 05:14 PM
1

It's usually pretty clear who they are.
/r/seduction18/08/14 05:06 PM
1

When are you going there? I will be there this weekend.
/r/seduction18/08/14 05:05 PM
2

When you asked them what they meant, what did they say?
/r/seduction18/08/14 05:05 PM
1

Wit elicits an emotional response in an intelligent girl.
/r/seduction18/08/14 04:50 PM
1

So say you get 2-3 dates in. What are the odds a girl is down for it? Or are you screening for that ahead of time?
/r/seduction15/08/14 08:34 PM
1

I'm kind of getting to that point too.
/r/seduction15/08/14 08:17 PM
5

Here's the thing about analyzing (and over-analyzing). It's based on the assumption that what you do matters. Guys only worry about their text game, for instance, because they think that by doing something better they might keep her, or by doing something worse they might lose her. The problem is this is mostly untrue. It may have some value in the beginning if you're just trying to pick up a girl. A needy person might be able to feign coolness for long enough to make it happen. That's why peopl…
/r/seduction15/08/14 07:55 PM
1

Fuck it. Go talk. The fact that you had the balls to do it, even if it wasn't in one second, is still big. Also, if you make eye contact again, give a smile. If it happens a third time, stick your tongue out. I do that and get a laugh every time. After that you can even motion her to come talk to you.
/r/seduction15/08/14 07:40 PM
3

Women generally don't "make you wait" for sex. They make you wait for them to decide whether or not they want to have sex with you. (I realize some girls would hold firm to a "not until the 3rd date" rule even with Ryan Gosling, but that's like 5% of them.) If they're making you wait, you just haven't turned them on.
/r/seduction15/08/14 07:37 PM
1

Tips? I have suspected I kind of suck at it for awhile, and I still used to pull a few dates a week.
/r/seduction15/08/14 07:18 PM
2

If you are near suicide, you have problems that will prevent you from getting women no matter what some instructor teaches you. There isn't some magic line or way to touch a girl's arm that's going to prevent her from smelling your depression on you. Watch the Simple Pickup guys. They are the opposite of depressed, and that's why what they do works. You can't fake that. Women evolved over hundreds of thousands of years to be good at reading emotions. The good thing about that is, if your emotion…
/r/seduction15/08/14 05:09 PM
2

In the era of smartphones and 3G/4G data, the only difference between a Facebook message and an SMS is which channel on the cell tower it is transmitted from. As you might guess, this has no impact on conversation. Just run whatever you'd do on text.
/r/seduction15/08/14 05:01 PM
1

When you stop fearing rejection, it is a major step in the right direction. Failure is an irrational fear that, if not conquered, will prevent you from obtaining anything in life.
/r/seduction15/08/14 03:51 PM
5

Good! You're on the right path. Man have I been there. And you know, you might get back together one day. Though what normally happens is you don't contact them for a few months and realize you don't want to. I mean you thought you were happy and she ran off with some other dude. What's to prevent that from happening again? But even if you do still want to 6 months from now, you're absolutely right. Nothing you can say to her now can do anything but make that less likely. Go find yourself. Then …
/r/seduction15/08/14 03:16 PM
0

You should have texted her last night. But right now my best advice is: don't overthink it. She thought you were cute. You didn't go far enough to give her buyer's remorse. If you can think of something funny to reference do that. "Nice meeting you last night. Hope you got the martini I spilled on you out of your dress!" Something like that. If she's interested (and she probably is) she'll respond unless you write "I like little boys." If she's not interested, there isn't some magical text that …
/r/seduction15/08/14 03:03 PM
1

Oh man, it's so much better. You don't have to deal with most of your messages not getting a reply. They swiped you right, they're interested by default. You say a couple funny things, ask for their number, move to text, ask them out, and boom.
/r/seduction15/08/14 03:00 PM
2

First step: give yourself some time to heal. That shit takes time. It might be 6 months to a year before you feel like yourself again. If you haven't already, completely cut off contact with her. Unfriend on Facebook. Don't text her (no matter how much you want to). For at least 3 months. Don't jump into a relationship before you don't wake up thinking about her anymore. It won't work. Keep it casual with anyone until then.
/r/seduction15/08/14 02:58 PM
11

But if I don't chase womens, how shall I get them back into the trunk?
/r/seduction15/08/14 05:19 AM
1

This doesn't work on Tinder because of the high churn rate. A woman might ask for your number eventually (it's happened to me) but most times it will take them awhile. The problem is a Tinder account has about the same lifespan as a fruit fly. There's a good chance she'll quit using the app before you get there. By just asking you get the number very close to 100% of the time. (Way more than IRL.) And they respond to your message 100% of the time. (Also way more than IRL.) So just ask.
/r/seduction15/08/14 05:17 AM
2

I have asked girls for their number probably close to 50 times and only not gotten it once. It's silly to not ask. She swiped you right, then laughed at all your jokes. She's going to give you her number.
/r/seduction15/08/14 05:14 AM
1

Read Mark Manson's stuff. Models for instance. Seduction does not have to be about being a lowlife or disrespecting anyone. My philosophy in life is to leave all people (including but not limited to women I sleep with) better than I found them. I'm not by any means banging hundreds of girls, but I've done well enough and don't regret turning down the ones where I felt I would not do that. (I do regret not turning down a couple who were clearly hurt later.) Manson is philosophically similar. You …
/r/seduction14/08/14 08:04 PM
2

Cold approaching won't make you stop putting them on pedestals. It will make you stop fearing rejection. What made me stop putting them on pedestals: sleeping with a few 10s and realizing there were a few 6s who I had enjoyed more.
/r/seduction13/08/14 09:52 PM
1

Let me sum up your post for you, so you can understand how ridiculous it is. "A girl sucked me off, let me blow on her tits, then texted me 'good morning (heart), hope you slept well (kiss face)' the next morning. But now I'm not sure if she likes me because she sent me a short reply agreeing to a date I proposed." Just chill man. You're in there.
/r/seduction13/08/14 09:49 PM
1

Yeah, it's like saying a PGA pro who didn't have a formal coach is "golf illiterate".
/r/seduction13/08/14 03:43 PM
2

That or he really just likes casino games with horrible odds.
/r/seduction13/08/14 03:42 PM
3

Idk, I am (I think) a nice guy. I'm more Express/Banana Republic/Saks than Affliction. And I agree with pretty much your whole point. I'd rather not get laid than not be a decent human being, and I do agree that much of the pickup community says you can't do both and it's a false dichotomy. And still I love GLL's stuff. Their mantra is "look good and talk to chicks." What they've taught me is just go up to girls and start talking, even about dumb shit. Be aggressive. Not physically, but don't be…
/r/seduction13/08/14 03:36 PM
6

Well, you know what your problem is (being an interviewer) so that's good. I had this problem once upon a time, and in fact I think most guys do when they're just starting. The solution: stop being an interviewer. Stop asking boring questions. Just stop. Tell yourself you'd rather say nothing and just eject than ask another poor girl the standard interview questions. The first questions that pop into your head are the first questions that pop into every other dude's head, so don't ask them. Ever…
/r/seduction13/08/14 03:13 PM
1

To be fair, the GLL guys more dress like a douche than act like one. They aren't really mean to girls.
/r/seduction13/08/14 02:57 PM
1

FWIW, if they seem flaky over text with me, I just flat out ask them if they want to hang out again, and let them know that if not, no biggie. Sometimes you never hear from them again, and then you have your answer. Sometimes they say they're not interested in some polite way. But a decent amount of the time they sure "yeah sorry, I've just been busy lately. How about Thursday?" I think if they aren't interested, flat out asking doesn't hurt because you weren't going to meet anyway. If they were…
/r/seduction12/08/14 07:55 PM
0

Send me a pic of you and I will tell you if he's interested with 95% accuracy.
/r/seduction12/08/14 04:30 PM
3

One of my favorites is to go to a bar I know will be crowded. Often there won't be two seats next to each other. Give her the one seat that's there, and stand in between her and the next guy. It's a natural excuse to be close to each other and to rest your arm on the back of her chair/her back.
/r/seduction12/08/14 04:26 PM
2

He's just an awesome guy. I guarantee he's never heard of any of this Seddit or PUA stuff. He just runs what we'd call Natural game over and over and over. And he's tall and handsome.
/r/seduction12/08/14 06:42 AM
1

"Sweet. Me too!" Then go with the flow.
/r/seduction11/08/14 10:07 PM
2

If a girl asks me what her name is and I forgot it, I say Mulva. If she's a Seinfeld fan it's on. If not, well, fuck her anyway.
/r/seduction11/08/14 10:02 PM
3

Here's the problem with all of the advice you'll get here or anywhere: sooner or later you are going to revert to being you. Someone can tell you how to act for now, and maybe it'll work. But it won't last. If you're looking for a relationship with her, then just be you. You can't be someone else to keep her around forever, and even if you could, you wouldn't want to.
/r/seduction11/08/14 09:02 PM
4

Very true. There are a few dudes who comment all day every day on here who are clearly clueless. And so many posts from a high school kid. But there are nuggets deep in here. Just gotta dig for them.
/r/seduction11/08/14 08:57 PM
2

Why would you not accept her? Go for it. You're like 99% to get shot down, but who cares? The experience will make you stronger. And who knows, maybe if your Facebook/text game is tight enough you'll get somewhere later.
/r/seduction11/08/14 07:03 PM
1

Yep. My personal philosophy (and granted I'm not a master) is that once I've got them on the hook, thinking does me more harm than good. When you feel like it put your hand behind the back of her head and go in for it.
/r/seduction11/08/14 06:31 PM
2

I'm relatively new at cold approaching. My philosophy: burn that motherfucker down. I'm not leaving until I get a number, get rejected, or decide she isn't worth it.
/r/seduction11/08/14 06:29 PM
6

Yep. Once a girl is in the bag, thinking tends to do more harm than good. Maybe I'm just dumb though :)
/r/seduction11/08/14 06:26 PM
1

You're worrying too much about PUA terminology. It's fine to start off chasing. You're the man. That's how it works. For the 99% of us who aren't George Clooney that's the only option we have. (Outside of social circle, which I think is why that is so much more powerful than cold approaching.) If you watch naturals, they don't sit at a bar and wait for women to chase them. They go straight up to a girl and start talking. I have a friend who runs the old "can I buy you a drink" and gets more tail…
/r/seduction11/08/14 05:27 PM
1

That makes a lot more sense with punctuation.
/r/seduction11/08/14 05:23 PM
2

Keep us posted. It's a very supportive sub here.
/r/seduction11/08/14 03:41 PM
1

I was just going to recommend this. Saw it on an episode of Happy Days. Fonzie was an expert.
/r/seduction11/08/14 03:41 PM
1

Eh. Number of women doesn't matter. 20 SNLs would mean only unhooking a bra at most 20 times. A guy with one girl, but who he banged every day for 10 years, could have thousands. And bras do suck. I'm sure I've pulled a bra off 100s of times and I still get a resistant one every now and then.
/r/seduction11/08/14 03:39 PM
1

Every single girl tells me that too. Like, 100% of them comment on it unprompted. They fucking love having their hair pulled. I did run into one girl with some serious daddy issues who did not like spanking once.
/r/seduction11/08/14 03:34 PM
1

Oh man, you're just learning. You're being too hard on yourself. This shit takes time. You sound like you've got inner game problems from this and your other post. Fix that first. Seeking validation from women is like trying to fill a bucket with a hole in it. I've been there dude. You'll keep filling the bucket up and it'll keep emptying it. Plug the hole man. (Not that hole you dirty bastards.) Get yourself in great shape (if you aren't already). Go to a gym and lift. Do Stronglifts or Startin…
/r/seduction11/08/14 03:09 PM
2

Don't overthink it and start playing games. Do you want to go out with her Tues or Weds and talk? Then do. If you don't, but still want to talk to her, tell her you've already got stuff those nights but suggest a couple other times. Keep doing what you've been doing. Don't fall into the friend zone. It's all or nothing. I've totally been there where you bang 20 other girls and keep thinking about her. Best thing I ever did was go girl-free for a short time. I realized banging other girls I wasn'…
/r/seduction11/08/14 02:50 PM
1

My totally non-expert opinion: You aren't the governor of a state or the President of a country. Bill Clinton is starting from a place where every woman in the world is attracted to him. (To be fair, he's so charismatic that they would probably be attracted to him in 15 seconds even if he was a shoe salesman.) Once you get to that place with a girl, where she's clearly attracted to you and you've clearly qualified her, making her feel important is fine. Treating the girl you just said hi to that…
/r/seduction11/08/14 02:44 PM
22

My advice: get out of your head and do what feels right. Sometimes it'll be on from the minute you walk in the door. Sometimes they'll want to chat a bit first. Just let it happen.
/r/seduction11/08/14 02:39 PM
2

I don't bring it up but am always honest when asked. I usually get asked. They smell it on you. They ask what you're doing a few times and you say "out for drinks" without specifying with whom. They know. It generally does lead to them wanting me more. I don't know why. Sometimes it causes them to end things, but I'd say 4 out of 5 just want you more.
/r/seduction11/08/14 03:22 AM
-1

I just don't give a shit. If they don't like me, they're clearly deranged.
/r/seduction11/08/14 02:32 AM
3

It has happened to me on a few occasions. Sometimes I've friendzoned them after getting to know them, a couple times they've done it to me. Some it was mutual and just went that way. It's really a fantastic result though. You want female friends. Not only do they know other women they're happy to hook you up with, they also just give you good insight into the mind of the opposite sex.
/r/seduction11/08/14 02:30 AM
6

Basing your self-esteem on the opinions of others (especially people who don't really know you) is like trying to fill a bucket with a leaky hole in it. It might work for a little while but eventually it will be empty again.
/r/seduction11/08/14 02:25 AM
1

Fix your depression. Seeking validation from others is like trying to fill a leaky bucket. Go see help. Set an 18 month plan to get your life in order. Women will still be there in a year.
/r/seduction08/08/14 09:02 PM
6

That's amazing. Details?
/r/seduction08/08/14 08:52 PM
1

Classic oneitis. Your desire to get back with her comes from the fact that you haven't met another girl who checked off everything on the list. The cure is to find another who does. That obviously isn't easy or it would have happened by now. How to pull it off depends on what's on the list. Start by asking yourself: if I was the girl who had everything on this list, where would you find me? I wrote a bit about this on my blog the other day. I was there even a few weeks ago.
/r/seduction08/08/14 06:42 PM
1

Yeah. Or at least get a number and seal the deal another time.
/r/seduction08/08/14 04:45 PM
2

Good work. Also, way to not be a rapist. I'm afraid half the guys here wouldn't have made that call. I might have stuck around and seen what happened when she was sober in the morning though.
/r/seduction08/08/14 02:52 PM
1

Two words will get a bunch of people there: Free beer.
/r/seduction07/08/14 08:41 PM
2

Everything I have ever done in life is wrong :)
/r/seduction07/08/14 08:40 PM
3

It does change things. It makes them awesome.
/r/seduction07/08/14 07:01 PM
0

I'm not gay or anything but I'd totally swipe you right. Lol.
/r/seduction07/08/14 06:25 PM
1

Come to think of it, it does work even when you're 35 :)
/r/seduction06/08/14 07:19 PM
3

Sounds like no girl took him seriously before, so at least he tried. My trick in high school was having a source of beer/weed. Weed was easy enough to get anyway, but the guy who could get beer could always pack a party. I boosted my popularity 10x once just buy telling everyone I was buying a keg.
/r/seduction06/08/14 06:32 PM
4

Totally agree. When my friends throw parties, they're a sausage fest. They tell 30 guys to bring girls, but the guys only bring the girls they're banging or trying to. The ratio ends up being 30:6, and 5 of the 6 are girlfriends of the dudes there. With my hot female friends, I'm not going to waste my social capital with them just so my guy friends can get drunk and try to pump and dump them. I'll wing for you with strangers all day. And I won't cockblock if you get something going with a friend…
/r/seduction06/08/14 06:29 PM
1

Idk about number 5, at least when you get to the point where you're fingering her. I've never gotten that far and then not sealed the deal. Not even sure how you'd fail at that point.
/r/seduction06/08/14 04:46 PM
2

Have you seen GoodLookingLoser.com? They have a good anti-AA program. Try that. Also, their nervous guy game is a good help. I tried it a few times even though I'm not nervous once I'm in-set, just to see what happened. It does work.
/r/seduction04/08/14 09:34 PM
2

I was once out with a friend in this exact situation. His girl went and starting chatting up other girls at Tryst. I was shocked at how easily this worked. I unfortunately got drunk (it was my friend's fault, so I don't get worst bro of the year award) and accidentally tackled a girl who stole my drink and got us thrown out. But she had made out with a few girls already and was almost certainly going to get one back to their room. If your girl is hot, tell her to just go for it. It'll work bette…
/r/seduction04/08/14 09:08 PM
1

If I were you, I'd fix that first. A bunch of people mention that it's more the inner game that's going to hinder you. Maybe. Both hurt, certainly. But fixing your looks will improve that too. Who cares whether it was the chemo or the prayer that cured your cancer, as long as it went the fuck away? Go to the gym. Do Stronglifts 5x5. Improve your diet and get in shape. This has tons of benefits for your life outside of women. Forget about women for a little bit. They'll be there next year. Get yo…
/r/seduction04/08/14 09:01 PM
1

I love it when a girl has a dog for this reason. So easy. I'll play a little rough with the dog too. That always works.
/r/seduction01/08/14 08:33 PM
1

Hand holding (unless you're 12 years old) is for girls you're already in a relationship with. I feel like if a girl tried to hold my hand before we've at least made out (and maybe even before we've slept together) I'd find it assuming and off-putting. Find other excuses to touch her. You like her shirt/dress. "Is your hair naturally this curly/straight?" Sit next to her at a bar and have your legs touch hers, then rest your hands on her legs. Etc.
/r/seduction01/08/14 08:32 PM
1

I don't know if it's good advice, but I would have texted her a lot of sexual stuff throughout the week. Think of a good relationship you had. The kind of stuff you were texting when things first got hot there. "I can't stop thinking about the way you felt last night." "I can't even focus right now because I can't stop thinking about Sunday." yada yada. That has worked well for me.
/r/seduction01/08/14 08:27 PM
1

No, but even if it were, if it worked, wouldn't it be worth it? I don't care if chemo cures my cancer or a placebo does, as long as its gone.
/r/seduction29/07/14 03:28 PM
1

First off, forget about women for a second. If you spent 3 years total from the rest of your life in the gym, and that added 3 years to your life, then you've made a huge win. Why? Because you'll look/feel better the rest of the time. I'd spend that time in the gym even if it didn't add a second. Also, when you get older, that gym time will help you age gracefully. Your goal isn't just to die at a later time. Quality of life is the big consideration. I'd rather die at 90 after being healthy all …
/r/seduction29/07/14 03:26 PM
1

I debated just waiting until Wednesday and texting "don't make plans Saturday. Have a dress ready." Something like that. Too much?
/r/seduction29/07/14 02:11 PM
1

That sounds good. Thanks.
/r/seduction29/07/14 06:19 AM
1

Don't think she'll come to my house until she's ready. She knows the game.
/r/seduction29/07/14 03:01 AM
3

You are right, she's not just a one night stand. I wouldn't treat her as such. I'm pretty sure she is special. Relationship material for sure. She DEFINITELY has options. A hot, outgoing, funny 24 year old with a good job? For sure. I don't think she's been with many dudes. I teased her about being a player because of the smooth way she got my phone number, but could tell from her reaction it just wasn't true. She was already in my car when she said the "one drink will lead to two". I guess mayb…
/r/seduction29/07/14 02:58 AM
4

Thanks. It was a good performance for me.
/r/seduction28/07/14 06:38 PM
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