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Discussionprometheangambit/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 06:55 PM
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Thou art faithful?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 05:38 PM
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Let the man and the woman make a private contract between the two of them that accounts for their individual needs, preferences and circumstances. For example, if the woman drops out of the workplace, she could write up a contract that binds the man into place, or she could rely on faith in her husband's good word that he won't be a bastard siring douchebag. Leave it up to the couple to solve their "problem" between them. Do not pull the top-down statist assumption that a perfect blanket, collec…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 05:34 PM
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Only when courting and dating them, but not in workplace and business interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 03:07 PM
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Wow! What an unusually reasonable response. I was just thinking two things "I'm glad I'm a man who doesn't have to deal with women approaching me" and "I'm glad I'm MGTOW." Either way, I - all of us - must caution ourselves with taking the internet too seriously, and too literally.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 02:47 PM
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Is the Bible meaningful or accurate? What about the Koran? Same premises at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 11:04 AM
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Exactly. Bloopers (not BPers) believe that either you need to get all the social complexity and subtle nuances "naturally" from "within", and if you don't already have it, to build or improve said skills reveals inauthenticity, unnaturalness, and manipulation. One wonders how they build any skills at all with that pseudo-logical reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 10:44 AM
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Come on! Why bring lame ad hominems to this discussion? If you don't know or aren't interested in the subject matter, you don't need to throw feces at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 07:41 PM
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He would need to be born into power, but as an omega would likely be very, very insecure about his ability to hold onto it, along with keeping the loyalty of all his subjects. Most likely a covert narcissist of the highest degree, making him susceptible to flattery by the clever courtier, while also being terribly over-the-top ruthless for even the smallest or imagined slights to his power. Emotionally unhinged, paranoid, insecure, while also cloying for flattery, praise, and love that always se…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 09:48 AM
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Damn, phone screwing up the image and won't let me zoom in. What's the exact article name? I'll hunt it down.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 03:08 PM
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RPers have a problem with feminine men because women have a problem with feminine men by not dating and sleeping with them. RP is a reaction and adaptation to Western women preferring masculine men. Actually, as a general rule of thumb, if you wonder why RPers value or extol X, just ask why women respond to and reward X and you have your answer. A disdain for masculine women, however, is a different, more alt-right concern beyond the heuristic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 01:26 PM
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That's exactly the same way I see it. Breaking down the argument and rhetoric used is quite neutral in and of itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 11:52 AM
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TRP is pretty much only taken seriously on the internet. I was surprised to discover from TRP links, that "alpha fux/don't be a beta bux cuckold" was considered nonsense even in evolutionary psychology. Lies! Give me your evo-psych linkz! I need to bookmark them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 09:47 AM
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If men had to choose between a Stepford wife and today's modern 1st world feminist, our robotic princesses would win no contest. But reality's more grey - and perhaps more feminized - than RP dichotomies demand. Women won't just sit around as they're replaced by machines. They will step it up, build skills, become therapeutic for men's problems and help with the finances. In other words, they'll become more ideal and less pragmatic. They will become more interesting, more loyal, more hilarious, …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 09:33 AM
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I'm a celibate MGTOW with no interest in empty sex, so you and I both don't care about relationships. Yet here we are on PPD embracing our addicting hypocrisy with this fascination in male-female gender dynamics and all that it might entail. Such is life's sense of humor.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 03:53 AM
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Smart. You're responding to incentives and adapting accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 03:43 AM
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What? You're a Redpillwoman in the making. The decline of civilization worries you. Embrace the dark enlightenment and achieve your true strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 03:38 AM
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Left-wing RPer? It would be an oxymoron if RP was a political movement. Admittedly, RP is a gateway drug to the whole Dark Enlightenment/Alt-right/Neoreaction movement, and functions as a reaction to the PC/SJW/Pro-Censorship in the mainstream society. But a man could become a RPer but also believe in anarcho-communism, still hate the rich, still love foreigners, and still value peace over war while believing in a benevolent, naturally good humanity only corrupted by corporate greed and patriarc…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 03:30 AM
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Excellent breakdown! And I'm certain BPers (hell, everyone) have their own debating tactics and go-to rhetoric, which may strike the other side as deliberate sophistry and deception. A few examples: BPers generally appeal to exceptions to the rule to disprove a general trend; they really do hate the tone of something said more than its truth content, i.e. they usually concede RP points if you pressure them enough with an Appeal to Common Sense ("Oh, that's what you're talking about? That's just …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 03:10 AM
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Great work! This basically proves that the BP subreddit mostly just hunts down the most inflammatory comments to satisfy their outrage porn addiction, often ignoring the top-rated and most upvoted posts because it doesn't quite get them off.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 08:24 PM
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A horrible but unstoppable idea. This is already happening on its own, and the result is that male altruistic behavior in general gets caught in the misguided, cancerous shaming initiative. The line between genuine niceness and Nice Guy-ness is extremely tricky, subjective, changes after the fact, varies by and abused by clever Machiavellian women and rationalized by their sophistic supporters of "equality." Redpill encouragement of selfishness backed by radical hyperbole is the reaction. Perhap…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 04:07 AM
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For me, the weakness of this argument is that the OP is basically saying that there's a subset of women who don't respond to Game, Looks, and Status. This is also saying that there's a subset of women who aren't attracted to athletic men who dress well and with a sense of style and fashion. These women believe it's only what's on the inside that counts. Sure. These women also don't find men with status - be it popularity or prestige - attractive. Money, wealth, fame and socially connected doesn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 03:31 PM
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Are you saying that there's someone for everyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 07:31 AM
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Bonus and last question: what's the wrong way to be masculine and the right way to be feminine?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 11:50 PM
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They are masculine in the wrong ways and feminine in the wrong ways. Now you got me self-conscious: what's the right way to be masculine, and the wrong way to be feminine?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 09:24 PM
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What is the personality of a Red Piller when he starts?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 09:19 PM
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To help and support each other emotionally, mentally, and physically, i.e. help each other self-actualize to their highest potential!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 02:07 AM
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Huh? This is weak. Amused mastery is literally a normal human reaction to conditions where you know the answer, and they insist you don't using whack evidence. It's a reaction to silly antics and absurd beliefs that you honestly can't take seriously nor should you. Hell, the entire BP subreddit is an attempt at amused mastery! You know, BPers already "get" dating. RPers are clueless twerps with bio-trufs who - after years of study and long hours in the lab - finally discovered common sense. That…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 09:02 PM
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You can't. RPers specifically emulate the behaviors - the game, the looks, and the signs of status - that women generally love. The human brain is a funny one: I guarantee a BP woman who meets a bona fide RPer in RL, and discovers that he's amazingly cool, honest with her, looks sexy and dresses well, has cool and interesting outdoorsy hobbies, and so on - will suddenly make an exception in her mind for this one man out of the 160,000 subscribers. After all, he doesn't sound, act or seem like th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 08:44 PM
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Nice. Albeit we really should distinguish between "aroused by" and "attracted to" differently, i.e. Alphas being arousing and betas being attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 01:35 PM
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If I'm being honest with myself: generally nerdy - glasses and all, good sense of humor and social timing (i.e. she can play off my word puns and banter with ease), attractive enough but not too much, honest but tactful, artsy, xenophilic and open-minded, traditional enough but not stupidly so, geeky interests and hobbies, bibliophile, somewhat clumsy because she's always thinking deep thoughts and bumps into things, emotionally expressive if not a bit effusive, wonderfully adorkable. You know, …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 03:37 AM
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Edited! Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/16 01:21 PM
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Isn't understanding your mistakes and that you're to blame for your actions a better way to improve yourself and not repeat the same mistakes? Absolutely. Feedback is crucial for all self-development along with the fearless courage and unyielding commitment to pursue it. I don't know. I don't like the narrative that women should embrace never taking responsibility for themselves, being manipulative and always blame others for their own problems. Agreed! Now let us defenestrate 3rd-wave feminism …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/16 05:49 AM
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Damn...I...I can't deny the similarities!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/16 01:41 AM
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He's predictable, conscientious, scrupulous, appropriate and tactful. In other words a terrible, reliable bore. Those traits exist for making money and committing to marriage at 30 and kids. He's consciously looking for a girlfriend, but he's unconsciously looking for a wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/16 01:36 AM
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Faking confidence doesn't work? I guess someone's never seen a movie. Oh, and don't worry, nobody ever lies either. If someone did you would just know it, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 08:33 PM
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No...but that's not a surprise. Generally, women approach indirectly, e.g. casually sitting nearby when there's plenty of other seats available in the Starbucks. This I notice more readily when I decide to dress with some fucks given.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 07:57 PM
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I believe you need to prove - with statistics no less - that there's an actual "incel epidemic" and distinguish between typical dry spells and whether or not the incel's are actually incel or just vocal lazy men. Furthermore, reddit's a terrible sample size and unrepresentative of men in the aggregate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 04:01 PM
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They're not attracted to emotionalism, that's just ugly girl solipsizing & shitty lying
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 08:22 AM
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Excellent find OP. Good work.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 11:45 PM
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Why is it bad to help people and expect help back? Life is give and take. It mostly reveals a lack of doing the right thing - whatever that may be - for its own sake. Intrinsic motivation versus extrinsic motivation. Authenticity versus mercenary. Do you work because you love money or do you work because you love?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 10:06 PM
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Not exactly. It has to do more with the outcome and how you handle yourself if it doesn't go the way you wanted after said change. Life generally isn't a formula, you can do X but that doesn't necessarily mean you'll get Y, you could get A, B, C or D. But people tend to forget that. Yes, they forget it and hate remembering it, and then swear next time they will control it. Evolutionary adaptation for generations of farmer I imagine. Regardless, that's actually the same idea on the overall theme …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 10:02 PM
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It's actually tricky. BPers - hell, humanity - value, adore, and praise authenticity, naturalness, and spontaneity, non-deliberation, motivelessness. RP interpretation - when women say just "Be yourself" - they want you to possess such a powerful frame that you literally appease no one but your own internal standards, perspective, etc. If there is any reason driving your behavior, you are not being yourself. Follow my train of thought... Man A donates to charity to gain political clout. He isn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:37 PM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 05:09 PM
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Acceptable? No. I'd hate for my hypothetical daughter to be a target. Inevitable? Yes. The Internet is a floating sphere of ideas and abstractions, images and photoshopped jpegs; this will happen. So here, I discard my personal feelings as irrelevant. I simply don't want to give statists any more tools of censorship to assist their grip on our shared subjective reality. My take-away: no additional legislation, more cultural awareness, smarter women, and greater wisdom.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 01:07 PM
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Speaking as someone with actual post-graduate degrees in human history with a specific focus on the current decline of the West and modern world crisis... "Hey guys, I know your subject matter intimately but don't ask me to prove it, yet still heed my skepticism!" Let me guess...and you don't have time to waste on fools because you're too busy working on your 30th Ph.D.? Just exit the internet. We all know you're a dog masquerading as a human.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 10:33 AM
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Finally, a pro-feminist post devoid of snarky bullshit! Thank you! I'm looking for the best arguments for 3rd wave feminism so I stop fighting battles with straw debaters. If I may pick your mind... For me, one serious weak point involves the overfocus on the positions of power (wealth, billionaires, CEOs) and not those of powerlessness (destitution, Omega males, male homelessness). MRA calls it the Apex Fallacy, which may also fuel the spurious "80/20 Rule" repeated by the manosphere. In my min…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 09:49 AM
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No, I believe everything I wrote. That's even better.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 08:20 AM
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Great thread! It's troll enough to draw attention and responses, but not so much to be removed by the mods. Well played.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 01:41 AM
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The same TRP that can't stand the fact that emo Damien is just as hot as Chad? The same TRP that claims women aren't interested in men less attractive than they are? Great finds! Favorited! But, the difference between you and me involves me working to fit the exception into TRP theory whereas you decide to throw the whole theory out! Needless to say, the Theory of Evolution never would've gotten beyond the Origin of Species with that mindset. Why should anyone take their junior high lockerroom s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 02:11 PM
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Definitely, but there is no viable alternative backed by PUA sexology, the latest research on evolutionary psychology, and hundreds of field reports. The effective heuristics, social tools, and seduction tactics work magnificently, and the TRP alt-right inspired hypothesizing provide excellent reasons as to why they work at all. For now, we're stuck with just-so stories and naturalistic fallacies, but tomorrow I expect geneticists and neuroscientists to justify RP thinking even more. Mainstream …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 08:44 AM
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To help your case, look at Elon Musk, a great example of a high beta. Inventor, entrepreneur, net worth of $12.7 billion, and he's getting a divorce for the second time to the same woman. As for the reference to civilization, you really don't want a bunch of Dark Triad self-interested Alphas having a field day. Although it's exciting, it's not sustainable. This is the first time I've heard of this, tbh, what exactly does it say? that all men are inherently and by default worthless? or that the I…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 01:39 AM
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I'm interested in a more nuanced RP theory. AWALT - in real-life, it's an anti-unicorn defensive heuristic and not an absolute. In debates - under deductive praxeological reasoning - it's an absolute, so your anecdotes are worthless. Sometimes. Alpha = Good; Beta = Bad - Omegas aren't Beta. In general High Betas build civilizations, invent, create, and spend a lot of time working on the next operating system. They value prestige over popularity and get a lot of shit done. A country full of monog…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 09:58 PM
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Terms & Acronyms I'm a big believer in indirectly weeding out those unwilling or unable to educate themselves on the position, ideology, terminology of the other side. I'll be happy to explain the jargon if asked, but I will never stop using the jargon. If it scares away "civil" people, good riddance. Life's too short to change for lazy anti-researchers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 09:00 PM
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Then she's no longer the perfect partner, but a perfect liar and that changes the hypothetical. Especially if she's like "Herp derp skerp, it's not a big deal. It's just sex! It didn't mean anything!" Done. Out. GTFO. If I want to play games I'll turn on my PS4.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 05:40 PM
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Marriage... Assuming no divorce rape possibility in this hypothetical, it really depends on her. If I discover she was an ex-porn star/prostitute/etc after and she was playing some virgin BS and I find out later, she's 100% off the bus. She needs to extremely open and very secure about it. Like, she references something about being an Ethical Slut, bonobo ethology, cites sources from the Kinsey Institute that she works for, while extoling the virtues of polyamory and wisdom of Kama Sutra techniq…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 04:34 PM
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40 out of 100 masculine; 69.167 out of 100 feminine; 60 out of 100 androgynous. What does this mean?!?!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 04:16 PM
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The thread title has nothing to do with the ... nevermind. I find the subject of Socio-sexual dynamics fascinating, and Redpill/evolutionary psychology offers the most coherent theory/hypothesis. It's not perfect, but it's not the nothing had I before.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 04:07 PM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 11:47 AM
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Upon some reflection, I speculate that the "inner beauty" myth was probably a quiet, sensitive introvert's dream to justify the hours spent perusing heroic sagas, philosophical treatises, and writing poetry on the vicissitudes of life. RP puts a stop to that meandering. "The highly sensitive [introverted] tend to be philosophical or spiritual in their orientation, rather than materialistic or hedonistic. They dislike small talk. They often describe themselves as creative or intuitive. They dream…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 08:54 AM
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Simple narratives that even basic RP reasoning would disagree with. You can strawman all you want in that grassy left field but it won't convince anyone. Frankly, your entire post just fails from your word choice alone. I hate to do this SAT-style nitpicking... 1) TRP claims women nearly always react emotionally,solipsistically, rationalize everything, can't be objective etc. "Nearly always"? Sometimes perpetually? Occasionally forever? C'mon! At best, TRP says women will react emotionally, impu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/16 11:48 PM
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NABPALT! I've done my best to keep an open-mind regarding BPers and they're a diverse bunch. "Just Get It, Bro" BPers are surprised you didn't know treating women like responsible teenagers was not common sense. "Just be yourself" BPers think women see through all your tricks and that's why you're failing. Just be honest!!!!! "You're immoral!" BPers don't like the pragmatic means used to justify the selfish ends. I respect this position, mostly because it acknowledge that RP wins. "Be more Blue …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/16 02:31 PM
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Upvoted! Most sympathetic post I've read from you yet! Everything alright?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/16 01:48 PM
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I agree and it goes deeper. Going back to PUA Lore, there's inner game and outer game. TRP focuses on inner game, because - like you said - if you're inner game is badass, it'll show up in your outer game. However, it is very possible to vault over inner game entirely and focus fire on outer game. A lot of PUAs did just this, got tons of bitches, and kinda crashed and burned in the long run...(e.g. Neil Stauss). I personally believe they're both interconnected and complementary, and overfocusing…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/16 11:07 AM
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Agreed, and TRP (actually, Heartiste in 2009) covers this. Simplified version, women value: Game (psycho-social dominance) Looks (style, fitness) Status (prestige, popularity, stardom, etc) If you lack in looks, compensate with game and status. If you lack in looks and status, compensate with game. Etc. A determined researcher could create a point system of some kind to perhaps predict a man's mating success. For me, an exception would be a man without game, looks or status banging HB10s because…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/16 09:19 AM
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It's not as bad as you postulate. For the curious... MBTI for skeptics
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/16 08:23 AM
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Female version of Chad? I'm intrigued and terrified.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 09:41 PM
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I'm an INFJ, a purple piller who leans red and I believe it absolutely has some predictive power for who goes red, blue, or purple, along with gender differences. Allow this speculation... At it's simplest, anyone with Introverted Feeling higher up on the cognitive stack and is very likely to be BP so: ENFP, ESFP, INFP, ISFP People with more Extraverted feeling higher on the stack will be more Red than Blue because they love closure, but may dislike the cynical meanness of it all: ENFJ, INFJ, IS…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 08:11 PM
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But most men don't need to lay down their life these days. That's true, but evo-psych would say the drive's still there, and if anything, merely repurposed to be productive in modern times. Yesterday, we hunted buffalos. Today, we hunt financial wealth. Don't you think women would benefit from thinking this way at all? I.e. if women cultivated their rationality, honor, love, etc because they wanted to ? I'll go one step further and say this isn't gender specific. Some men and women are better of…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 09:30 AM
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TBP values authenticity and to present a generalized dating strategy would make little sense under this umbrella. I think a BPer with an altruistic bent would say: "Under TBP, everyone's different. Everyone's special. Everyone's an individual with specific needs and wants, ambitions and goals, loves and hates, kinks and desires. Everyone has their own personal story and their own journey in this one life we live. "This means generalizing a group of people is both wrong and incomprehensible. You …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 09:07 AM
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In America - More men think more atomistically/rational/empirical than women. More women think more relationally/holistically/adaptable than men. I confess: I say this as a man who thinks more "like a woman" than a man. Male IQ operates in extremes - so there's more very high IQ men than women, but there's also a lot more low IQ men than women. Men need honor to compete with other men in group warfare, so it makes sense more men would evolve to value such behavior. I think women can appear more …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 04:10 AM
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Sorry, it's boring: they're just people doing their thing. My post was me playing with perspectives.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 02:56 AM
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It's actually more nuanced than "Men are better than women" but more like "Men have more potential to be better than most women." Even that's a little tricky, because some blame the cancerous 3rd-wave feminist culture defiling WASP gals, while others pull the Bio-truths card and say "It's just female nature" to destroy civilizations with pussy power. Eh...TRP can be a little schizophrenic in this regard but that's to be expected: it's simply the nature vs. nurture debate on a smaller scale. So t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 01:20 AM
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Are they Alpha?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 01:24 PM
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Obviously women feel emotions. Hell, molerats and dogs feel emotions. They possess the limbic system and adrenal glands necessary for a full emotional range. Those tears come from somewhere. Women commit suicide because - like men - they can feel like a burden for their mere existence and imagine they would be better off dead than alive. I weep for both. Cold world. They just don't feel empathy for weak men. Surprise surprise, neither do men. Nobody feels sorry for disposable males, and the more…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 11:07 PM
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No! Don't do that! You've got mental issues, and everyone but BPers do. But suffering is part of the game of life. You must not seek to escape, nor solace, nor retreat, but absolute acceptance of your fate! Therein lies true liberation!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 07:24 PM
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Your sources for Red Pill things being true are more Redpill stuff and a heartiste blog? Really? I know right? I've got some nerve providing sources that counter your nonsensical claims. Somebody put a stop to me doing research in a debate subreddit. They don't tell you that because it's not true? Who's believing everything they read on the internet now? This frame bullshit has been worded differently and less extreme (aka don't be a pushover) a million times in dating advice. The less extreme a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 05:26 PM
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Of course, it's 100% true because TRP says so. I believe everything I read on the internet and find critical thinking to be an annoying burden. While I'm over here being a blind follower and not examining the facts, I found this: A Comprehensive Guide to the Red Pill Which states: In other words, being an aloof, uncaring asshole — an amalgamation of all the above traits — makes you optimally attractive to the greatest number of women (in the short term). However, these traits are NOT conducive t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 03:37 PM
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No. He's not. He wants to you acknowledge that TRP points out that physical attractiveness and excessive confidence to the point of arrogance matters more than any other variable one might come up with. That physical attractiveness matters up to about 50%+ for all female attraction - if not more - and that women lie when they say otherwise to keep the peace. TRP says it's not what's on the inside that counts whatsoever, unless what's on the inside is a Dark Triad badass who doesn't take shit fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 02:23 PM
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You'd still need a way to distinguish between high-quality RP (Red-gold) posts from high-quality BP (Blue-gold) post, and perhaps even high-quality (Purple-gold) posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 07:57 PM
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I love this idea!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 05:30 PM
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Yes. Absolutely. I see monks as an inspiration and a realization that one can absolutely say "Fuck all" to the whole game, allowing absolute focus for the the fullest cultivation of one's mind. At the end of the day, it's mind over matter and simply a matter of introspective skills and developing yourself. But like others have said, I personally ain't done having fun, making money, and completing personal milestones.
/r/MGTOW05/08/16 09:17 AM
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Depends on how recent and how long they've MGTOW'd, how healthy they are, personality type and age. Three values off the top of my head as I procrastinate on my work: Serenity - Peace and quiet. They don't want to be nagged, harassed, or bothered by irrational nonsense. This includes - mind you - that annoying, intrusive and pestering sex drive. The MGTOW forum spends a lot of time focused on women perhaps as a means to keep the sex drive in check. Also, getting raped by divorce courts or fired …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 08:29 PM
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Nice!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 07:53 PM
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Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 07:53 PM
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RPW 101: Cultivating A Feminine Frame of Mind This looks pretty good and assumes one can change their personality. Pulled from the RPwomen sidebar. But you're asking if RP men personally believe women can change for the better, not whether you yourself can change?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 09:27 AM
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Absolutely. The entire Redpillwoman subreddit is dedicated to this fact. Check it out! Edit: It may be RedpillWives now. I truly don't know the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 09:10 AM
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Here's my speculation based on what I've gathered from the debates. What defines men who accept TRP is the rejection of Bluepill thinking across the board: no idealism here; all women are brutal pragmatists who pretend to be romantics, etc. We all agree here. However, we differ on the scale of idealism. MGTOW - due to their K-type nature, personality type, etc. - are romantics who - once you blow up the BP fantasy - find their to be no reason to play the game. With lower sex drives than average …
/r/TheRedPill02/08/16 09:56 AM
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"Sworn off" is a strong word, but certainly very reduced priority. I'd rather self-actualize first, pursue an ambition and become as awesome as possible. LTRs provide nothing I can't get via discussions and talks, podcasts and audiobooks. However, I can play the celibate monk card (no plate spinning, LTRs, or ONS) very easily whereas most men cannot, and I don't recommend this path for those with higher sexual drives. For those: lift, spin plates, but overall MGTOW out. If you must marry, ditch …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 11:10 AM
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It's recognising your partners' unique needs and then meeting them, whether that's their desire to come home and have a glass of wine waiting for them, or to go out hunting Pokémon as a couple. I agree. I will recognize that my partner is a woman, and treat her differently than I would my bros. I will use the heuristic "Women are the most responsible teenager in the house" so that I never forget to meet her unique female needs. Now hold your fire! I'm not a misogynist. I will not actual believe …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 09:51 PM
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Sounds like a CMV post. Impossible to really predict anything that far out. If you can do this consistently and reliably, seriously consider starting an investment firm. Also, how high is your sex drive and how much do you value sex? Don't answer this question with words. Comprehensive guide to the Red Pill Collected Advice and Methods for Beginner Answer the question with action. If you go Monk Mode for a year and take the above links seriously, you will have far more interesting problems than …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 06:44 PM
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Agreed. I just read convincing article and I believe you're right. An insightful quote: And at first glance, research seems to back this up, suggesting that married people are on average happier than single people and much happier than divorced people. But a closer analysis reveals that if you split up “married people” into two groups based on marriage quality, “people in self-assessed poor marriages are fairly miserable, and much less happy than unmarried people, and people in self-assessed goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 05:41 PM
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General passivity and lack of drive. I have the looks. I'm not ackward. I know the game. I'm exercising. But I hate the process of dating and my sex drive isn't high enough to force me into the arena. RP abolished all idealism towards relationships, making me seek fulfillment elsewhere. It also doesn't help that I don't find sex that pleasurable unless we're "connected." Following this, I don't provide sexual tension as more often than not I'm genuinely enjoying the interaction for other "deeper…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 04:43 PM
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I can't find the academic source the article's citing. My knee-jerk reaction is "sigh another social scientist claiming nonsense", but that's only because I need my just-so evolutionary psychology to be convinced. Also, I don't trust surveys whatsoever. Put 'em in an MRI and I'll fold.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 02:03 PM
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From the OP: Men can engage in both strategies, women cannot. I hate to be a stickler for this one part of your post, but this point really hurts truly the rest of it. Women absolutely engage in r-type strategies. Pulling straight from the source: "Rabbits are r-strategists, designed to exploit free resources, like fields of grass. The five psychological traits inherent to the r-strategy are docility/conflict-avoidance, promiscuity/non-monogamy, single-mom'ing, early sexualization of young, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 06:24 PM
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Incoming CMV claiming that "the hottest and most attractive women are more moral, just, and amazing than ugly or average women, most of the time." Dangerous but predictable viewpoints all around. Halo Effect kicks ass, no doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 08:35 AM
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Obviously. Sounds a lot like the "Women are accessories to a mans life" sentiment that we espouse here. Merely accessories? So what's the big deal with dropping that drug for another high?
/r/TheRedPill26/07/16 06:06 PM
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Women are that important? Why? This subreddit that literally reminds me everyday to forget that BP garbage for the cold hard truth that women are interchangeable, fickle, overrated, and more than a little parasitical. You're saying otherwise?
/r/TheRedPill26/07/16 06:04 PM
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Whoops. Sure did. I was in a hurry at work
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 05:53 PM
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Hate to end the analogy, but my knowledge of theology ends pretty early so I have no idea. Apologies for my ignorance. Just go with the direct point. I'll reiterate mine by simply saying MGTOW (of a certain branch) are voluntary celibates. Incels are involuntary celibates. Even if they're both celibate, their orientation towards the opposite sex differ dramatically. Actually, truth to be told, MGTOW itself has no idea what it really is. They just devalue women more than TRP, but accept all TRP c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 03:35 PM
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Certainly there are similarities in personality, characteristics and traits, but the philosophy towards women differ dramatically. There's a lot of crazy religions with extreme elements out there, but you don't call "Christian fundamentalists" and "Muslim extremists" both "Christian" just cuz.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 02:56 PM
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Technically speaking, Incel aren't MGTOW. Incel value woman but can't get them. MGTOW devalue women and don't want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 01:39 PM
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I think he means that people use the word misogyny because they want the emotionally charged power of it inflicted upon their debate adversary. They want to keep it "hatred of women" pathos but want to expand the definition only when convenient, and then retreat to the dictionary when it isn't. Thus, it isn't logical. It's rhetorical.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 09:51 AM
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This right here. I can only emphasize that disposable males are disposable. Accept this truth and adapt, however painful.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 01:22 AM
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And a lot of RP's "biotruths" do not correspond with conclusions coming from the sciences of biology and evolutionary psychology. Prove it because you're onto something. However, only evolutionary psychology and neuroscience and genetics, and more hard coded psychology. The more naturalistic the better. No, do not cite surveys, dating websites, opinion polls, gender studies, or any such soft psycho-sciences. Most BPers - and I applaud them for their diligence - cite whatever social science surve…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 10:50 AM
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TIL I'm a misogynist because I think men and women are different. Loved the video overall! Cool men and women restore my faith in humanity even as the belligerent alt-right and the regressive SJWs tear it down.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 10:39 AM
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Not all MGTOW are like that. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 07:38 PM
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I see parallels between MGTOW - who shed the burden of performance - and Make-under women - who shed the burden of beauty. As long as they don't fret about the SMV decrease and condemn male sexuality for it, all is well. I can't knock anyone who values freedom over conformity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 07:41 AM
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Yeah, it would depend on the MBTI type for sure, but T-types tend to value rules, structures, win-conditions and explanatory power of theories (if they're intuitive) or just shit that works right now (if they're sensing), if not both. This makes TRP gold. I mean, check out this breakdown - A Comprehensive Guide to the Red Pill. And then this great thread here - Collected Advice and Methods for Beginners. Done. All the rules in place, massive explanatory power for the crazy complexity of human be…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 06:42 AM
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That is true. Some cognitive styles need schematic breakdowns of interpersonal dynamics - i.e. they must know how the human system works. TRP comes to the rescue!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 05:10 AM
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From what I've gathered, men want a very hot prude for all other men who becomes a slut just for them - the Madonna/Whore dichotomy I speculate, but can't confirm. I think for Redpillwomen, they may consider a different approach. For sure, this doesn't test AF/BB, and we'd have to be more intrusive regarding the sex lives of a Alpha Bux husband versus Beta Bux husband to see how that plays out. There's a lot of micro-moments through any given day that we must observe in a male-female relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 05:16 PM
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Cool. Thanks for the vid. Added to watchlist.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 09:29 PM
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I'm still figuring it out, but I feel that RP doesn't account for female idealists at all, nor an introvert's strategy for attracting mates, nor highly sensitive persons in general. Some men make better dads than cads, and some women make better wives than CC-riders, and both may employ different sexual strategies to secure a mate. Who knows? I forget where I read it, but the most successful species in nature don't employ one sexual strategy and see how that plays out. Instead, to keep the speci…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 03:24 AM
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Challenged accepted! Let's go find P2. There's no RP without the Alpha Fux/Beta Bux dichotomy, so I'll make that the P2 and it'll be falsifiable (hopefully). Starting from the beginning... A. All men and women are driven by biological incentives (food, sleep, survival), with sex (gene replication) being a very powerful incentive. B. All men and women employ the most effective sexual strategies to achieve their biological ends because sperm is cheap and eggs are expensive. C. Humans are a social …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 03:03 AM
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Better question: what percentage of women would openly admit to riding the cock carousel? Both men and women lie even on surveys... However, the results were much different regarding the questions about sexual behavior. Men reported more sexual partners when they weren't attached to the lie detector than when they were, while women reported fewer sexual partners when they weren't attached to it than when they were. "There is something unique about sexuality that led people to care more about mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 01:04 PM
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What's the best representative of 3rd wave feminist literature? I want all their best arguments and Jezebel doesn't seem like a good choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 10:47 AM
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You're looking at it wrong. Redpill theory is based on a form of deduction with a degree of induction to back it up, which allows it to be quite useful and predictive even with exceptions to the rule. This is praxeology and it directly parallels economics. To hurt RP, you must falsify their basic premises in such a way to make the entire logico-deductive framework untenable. I think these are a few premises I remember: A. All men and women are driven by biological incentives (food, sleep, surviv…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 10:12 AM
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Off the top of my head... Women are the most responsible teenager in the house or that they stop maturing after 18. Women have no value beyond vagina, youth and beauty. LTRs being a little more demanding, but that waistline better stay slim. Women are realists pretending to be romantics, and men are romantics pretending to be realists. Basically, they will show no mercy for male weakness while urging losers to be vulnerable and nice. This is beta male baiting at its finest. Women treat Alphas ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 12:12 PM
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As far as I can tell, under the RP frame, the only reason to want a LTR with a woman is if you're planning on marrying and having children with her. A man in his 20s and early 30s shouldn't bother with any kind of LTR, and instead spin plates to really figure out what kind of woman is worth marrying, who will likely have quite a few RPW virtues. If you're a man who doesn't value casual sex, MGTOW out of the game and find fulfillment elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 10:46 AM
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INFJ: INFJs like someone who can stimulate their imagination, as well as understand them deeply. They enjoy someone with crazy but intelligent ideas. This type I have found usually enjoys being chased, as does almost every FJ type in general, therefore they will like someone who will keep trying for them until they open up. Someone who is very fun and easy going at first glance, but deep and introspective once you get to know them is very attractive to this type. They enjoy being teased, and yes…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 09:13 AM
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But it feels too much like some cruel joke of whoever created us. Yes...yes it does. :(
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 02:32 AM
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I don't have the minimum level of arrogance to tell anyone what to do with their life with the exception of live it and live it well. Although I'm MGTOW (or eternal monk mode), I don't hate women, I just don't see their value in helping me self-actualize in any way. I'm still addicted to self-improvement though, and still looking for "something deeper" with regards to women within the RP frame.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 02:23 AM
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I would argue that they do understand which is why they usually try to keep it secret from husband material. Also, remember - Alpha Fux/Beta Bux: when she's ready to settle, she appeals to a man's idealistic side and must test the man for provisioning and commitment material, whereas guys they sleep with quickly they can skip that step and go straight to the acquisition of genetic material. It makes no sense logical if you ask them, but makes perfect sense in RP land.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 12:37 AM
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I like this speculation, but I still want more. Wouldn't you need to distinguishing between Relationship Market Value and Sexual Market Value? Also, what about great personalities versus merely good? Isn't this terribly subjective?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 07:49 PM
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The strongest anti-woman sentiment is more MGTOW, who often accuse RP of being part of the gynocentric problem. I can concur: I find women dangerous but alluring for my personal growth, however defined. The sexual desire become little more than another problem to solve.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 05:30 PM
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Because they're very pretty. I mean, have you seen them?! I've tried being misogynistic, but I failed every time I watched porn!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 05:25 PM
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Sniper-strategy... 1st - being authentic without device or guile, deception or artifice. 2nd - being as secure as possible with your true self. 3rd - being honest and forward with your intentions in order to attract a woman or man whose just right for you. The primary BP question: are you happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 03:03 PM
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Assuming this story's true, a greater Alpha would've made friends with the white knights and they would've encouraged the union. I have no sympathy for culture disrupting Dark Triads. I also don't care that much about enforcing the laws of the myopic central planners.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 09:46 PM
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Saved and great breakdown! I'll send it to a few friends of mine. Once I'm done with fully honing my inner game, I'm sure I'll work my ass off on my outer game. I've been told I look like a model now as a quirky, observant nerd, so a future makeover should really yield dividends.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 09:06 PM
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Great post, sir! Beyond sex and children, what kind of rewards does marriage bring for a man? Assume that the man isn't a beta, but an Alpha Bux and so he's already got his life together and only getting better.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 09:53 AM
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Tell if I should check my sources, but I believe men only apply dread game in deadbedroom situations, thus driving them to use one of the most powerful techniques in the PUA arsenal. My argument is that they should be driven to it, but should always be improving themselves anyways which could naturally inspiring a little worry. A man or woman growing more powerful and confident will be a little ... dismissive just from being busy all the time with a cooler, more engaging, more interesting existe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 01:55 PM
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In that case, the man or woman simply becomes less conscious of her actions in the sense that the partner inadvertently becomes less relevant in the mind. "Dread Game" is exactly - if manipulatively applied or naturally evolved - occurs when one person gains more power and confidence in the world at large and the other stagnates or decays. I will feel dread (and proud) if my hypothetical SO were to become more beautiful, confident, and outgoing - I should feel more dread and step it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 01:50 PM
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Because the anger phasers are like...18 times more vocal that the people who've gotten their shit together and moved on. Just like the MGTOW subreddit writes more about women getting their way than men going their own way. Now, if you're talking about the sidebar, most people get triggered by "Women, the most responsible teenager in the house" more than any other part of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 12:09 PM
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Both the words "dread" and "game" are horrible. Dread connotes anxiety, woe and fear and game follows with manipulation and deception. However, if a woman loses weight, works out, starts doing yoga and spiritual retreats to find herself, but she seems to be hanging out a lot outside the house with a new Tennis instructor, that will cause a man "dread." If a man does the same thing by working out, getting his life together, getting promotions, generally being happier and more kickass, this will c…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 11:58 AM
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I don't think I'm challenging your view so I'm posting here. But to be consistent with equalism, if men are disposable, it follows that women are too. If men need to man up, women need to "woman up." Or something... All humans are disposable!!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:59 AM
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They usually cite Dread game which is more of a horrible, horrible branding problem than an actual problem. Everything else revolves around authenticity versus actuality: if you're a bona fide Alpha douchebro spontaneously, then you're still okay as long as you are being yourself. If, however, you mimic all the behaviors of an Alpha, but you're actually a niceguy Beta faking it to smash some pussy, you're a horrible human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 08:51 AM
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Women, primarily because of their proclivity to sociality and Women are Wonderful effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 08:36 AM
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Great find! Saved.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 08:23 AM
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Some will. There's always a feminist somewhere saying something absurd. But let's not forget about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 12:43 AM
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Lets get this straight: women aren't stupid. If eligible bachelors start dropping out of the dating game because they don't want to deal with female shenanigans, women will simply bring less shenanigans. They'll develop a good sense of humor, interesting hobbies and interests, great bodies and get over approach anxiety and learn to approach men. Men will still need to be relatively badass, but women will need to step it up and they will. Men will shame other men for taking the easy way out and l…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 09:15 PM
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Because it's true for them and their friends, therefore it must be true for you also. Often that which is the status quo becomes that which is natural, whether it is or not. Exceptions to the rule need not apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 09:32 PM
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Just observing the conflict as I look for a common ground between conflicting cultures. At the current rate, progressives/feminists/SJWs/PC culture are still seeking more power and claiming they have little to none. Slowly but surely, I believe they're inadvertently creating the very patriarchy they fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 04:00 PM
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I suppose herein lies the primary argument: are we already equal and women are seeking more power, or are we still headed to an egalitarian society and men are frustrated with losing their privilege? I'm not seeing any way to square these perspectives. Hmm...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 03:47 PM
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claps Love the metaphor!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 03:43 PM
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At my most cynical, I can tell you that any Nice Guy wouldn't have gone that far, nor her BP orbiters, but we know how shitty those guys are, right? Fuck those boring entitled Betas. Let's go with fun and interesting Alphas. Modern day feminism increases the demand of Dark Triad characteristics of narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism, so you're going to get casualties of the dating market when you want a man who's "assertive" and "knows what wants and gets it." You want a man "who doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 10:08 AM
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I want to agree but my natural optimism won't let me. For the most part I agree with you: without or beyond sex, what's the point? In alt-right conservative circles, I hear the word "complementary" thrown around a lot, that women compensate for men's weaknesses and men compensate for female weaknesses. That sounds absurd: the burden of performance is on men, not women. I must be a made man... already fulfilled, already perfect, already successful ... and thus she provides nothing beyond sex and …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 09:18 AM
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Insight into female nature and the why behind all the self-help shenanigans you must achieve to appease their - formerly confusing - nature. One of my favorite Rational Male articles - The Feminine Mystique - illustrates this nicely. For example, knowing that women love nice Alphas and not Nice GuysTM has saved me countless hours of pining for The OneTM and instead focusing on becoming the best monk I can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 07:31 AM
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If women fear widespread legalized prostitution, then it follows that badass VR-enhanced sexbot technology might cause them alarm. So I argue that they don't fear it yet, but who would really fear a pleasurable entertainment technology that's probably two decades out before it truly seriously awesome. However - countering my own argument - right-leaning conservative men tend to ban such "vices." Even in TRP, quite a few threads pop up hating on pornography probably more often than most feminist …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 05:28 AM
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Only with friends and quite often - with women too. They know I'm a good person looking out for them, so when I start talking about ruthless RP theory on how love doesn't exist, female hypergamy and other such cynicism - I naturally do it in such a way to make it all very politically correct with a healthy dose of humor. I simply find human relationships too interesting to not talk about them regularly with those I respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 04:03 AM
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Great post! This illustrates the devil in the details. So many of these posts, field reports, and debates ignore context in favor of embellishments, biased analysis and rhetorical posturing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 08:43 AM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 10:29 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 09:06 PM
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Thank you for challenging me on this. I need to get my sources cited instead of just throwing out shit like everyone knows it. From an Baumeister academic paper: The sex drive refers to the strength of sexual motivation. Across many different studies and measures, men have been shown to have more frequent and more intense sexual desires than women, as reflected in spontaneous thoughts about sex, frequency and variety of sexual fantasies, desired frequency of intercourse, desired number of partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 02:09 PM
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Agreed, and this applies to men to. MGTOW, WGTOW, whatever floats your cynicism.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 08:31 PM
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This man created an imaginary companion to solve his loneliness problems. The confusing feminine imperative, mixed messages, Alpha/Beta dichotomy and ruthless SMP could drive any sensitive soul to madness. I don't blame him for this ascent into fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 03:42 PM
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Ugh, terribly toxic diatribe - I hate everything about it and will always despise these attacks on the social ackward - but I can't argue with the reasoning. Upvoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 01:51 PM
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Honestly, just do you, live your life, and be happy. 99% of their anger is self-loathing exploding outwards and there's really nothing you can do. If anything, don't antagonize them, tell them to "get over it" or otherwise fuel the fire. Reason with madness and you'll just go insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 05:01 AM
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Yes, if they're that desperate. No, if they want to truly find fulfillment. I don't for one second believe that will provide them with the fulfillment they seek from another, unless it's a mentor of some kind who guides them there. But nobody believes that until they have what they sought for so long, what they killed their soul to acquire, and then discover the void they sought to fulfill still remains a gaping hole. So they take another hit, add another notch, take up another ideology. Eat, Pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 03:31 AM
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Incels make the threads about incels. They're very passionate about their status.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 02:59 AM
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Unfortunately, mocking nice guys brushes too close to mocking niceness, and altruism in general, gradually generating the opposite effect, and driving more men to TRP. We must remember: TRP is reactionary. Fortunately, a lot of nice guys are genuinely nice and find it baffling that they seen as weak losers, mocked by "Women" (however defined), and pitied by Alphas. The discovery shocks and awe, depresses and hurts to say the least. It really adds the disposable in disposable male.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 12:16 AM
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If that's the average incel's typical position, their situation loses the "involuntary" element instantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 11:58 PM
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Any studies I have seen show that celibate people are healthier and live longer lives. I'd be interested in reading anything you have that shows contrary results. Source? I'm celibate right now and would love to learn more about the advantages.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 11:54 PM
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Yep. Most men do, but I certainly don't. However, I use the word "need" very carefully. Also, every man's biology is slightly different than every other. To believe otherwise, we must project.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 11:20 PM
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Forever the No True Scotmans fallacy: a man who applies TRP to his life will be awesome, but if he fails, he didn't apply it right or he wasn't really RP. BP usually commits the Motte-and-Bailey fallacy: they start off with some feel good platitude but when under pressure cave unto more TRP definitions. These two fallacies contribute to innumerable misunderstandings, even when they often say the same things but with a different tone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 09:07 PM
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Absolutely! And I bet he begrudges every single woman who rejects or even shit tests him, giving off that "entitlement" vibe that disgusts women. He feels he's being "real" and "accepting the brutal truth" but he actually keeps digging his own grave.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 08:46 PM
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No it doesn't make any logical sense at all. How does the fact that this girl is laying ugly dudes have any effect whatsoever on OPs ability to get laid? Actually, what he's stressing about is that she's not laying ugly dudes. She's probably getting SMV 5s and up, who won't commit but who don't mind chubby chasing. He feels outcompeted, outmatched, and "average." If anything this bodes well for him, as it means even ugly dudes are getting laid. What exactly about that makes him angry? He'd agree…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 07:49 PM
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Some people take abstractions very seriously and use them to guide their lives, avoid dangers, and make predictions. By seeing this trend, he's changing his behavior in the present and freaking out about his future incel status, thus, she's indirectly affects his life. Experientially - it is equivalent to him knowing her personally and hearing about her exploits in real-life. Does this compute?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 07:05 PM
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I hypothesize that the TRP approach to relationships (increase attachment avoidance, extreme hierarchical thinking, and a driven competitive mindset) benefits most men - at least 50% - the most. Sensitive wayward souls will need a different approach and entirely different regime that may be more BP and "authentic." Just as men not prone to becoming a modern day Casanova will jettison the Alpha-only TRP mindset entirely. Within these different approahes - and I'm sure there's more - men will find…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 06:58 PM
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But unlike female incels, male incels feel that they are owed sex for some reason, so naturally they complain and bitch about it more. Naturally, indeed. Men - on average - have a higher sex drive than women so they desire sex and bitch about it or plot to acquire it more. Women - on average - desire commitment more from men who don't inspire disgust in them. Fortunately, men desire sex with them more so a lot can just wait until a good enough prospect comes along. But the sexes don't have equal…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 02:50 PM
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He's using it as a sign of a greater trend in society, an abstraction from a concrete fact. She - herself - is a data part on the dating market curve he's stressing about.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 02:10 PM
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This and more! No matter what, one must overcome their own insecurities and solve their own intrapersonal problems alone before foisting them for others to solve. Involution to achieve evolution. Looking for solace in the Other reveals a dissatisfaction with the self.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 03:50 AM
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I find this article convincing, and I'm not qualified to answer anything about a woman experience in the world without putting my proverbial foot in my mouth. How can any average man survive this SMP? How can we compete when the most ugliest, low value women have millions of options at their finger tips? Okay, so there's Alpha Bux, Alpha Fux, High Beta Fux (Married High Beta), Low Beta Bux, Omega Bux (prostitutes play their role here), Omega Sux. I must play the red card because the answer's too…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 11:19 PM
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You caught it. Once again, we're dealing with another case of people confusing omega with beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 04:06 PM
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Sex is a big deal for women, but men - in the aggregate - aren't a big deal for women. Men aren't a big deal for men. The disposable gender is disposable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 02:53 PM
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"Alpha activities" seem synonymous with "activities women approve of." An awful frame to judge any activity or hobby, IMO. Is that what this thread's about?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 03:54 AM
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Liking someone for their intellectual side is no less shallow than liking someone for their beauty. Just different preferences. How did you come to this conclusion? Define what you mean by shallow, if you could. I certainly don't see them as equal and want to absorb an insight that can change my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 07:51 PM
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SMP - Sexual Marketplace. Basically, how arousing one is to the opposite sex, but not how attractive they are. Mostly short-term flings and relationships. RMP - Relationship Marketplace offers value in the realm of attractiveness. Long-term value. Based on r/K selection theory applied to human relationships on this website, an alt-right source. Basically, a useful metaphor for the different natures men and women use to ensure surviving offspring, and this comes with interesting personality and b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 06:43 PM
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Fascinating. Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 05:36 PM
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Hmm... I like this perspective. I know I personally abstract from all concretes to predict their direction and make plans in the present. So in this example, if we view a relationship as a transaction, and if it provides more information and further enhances predictions about all relationships, shouldn't we take that abstraction seriously? Isn't modelling and making predictions based off them the basis of science?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 03:58 PM
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It will probably be the greatest challenge for America and the West in general to figure out, but this should cause little concern for the nomadic hardworkers. I - personally - will simply respond to incentives and make my way to Asia or some other country in due time. Beta bux isn't valued here, so it's best for me to go to abroad and let American/Western women have their fun. Take all this discipline, conscientiousness, K-selected energy into learning a foreign language, making tons of money, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 03:36 PM
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Hell yeah!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 03:27 PM
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Both threads aren't actually disconnected from one another. Flow with the incentives... If men trickle out of the dating game, women will naturally find it harder to find a man who adds quality to her life as they won't even meet decent provider standards (lifting though, can make short-term relationships awesome!). This will make those men who - for whatever reason - are bad, weak, or confused with the dating game simply opt out even more for visceral, VR-enhanced porn and other sensory pleasur…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 03:15 PM
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This I can agree with. There's a yin/yang quality to female/male relationships that I imagine plays a valuable role here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 02:43 PM
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Better to write about male narcissism. More accurate and adaptive for me to develop a false superiority than a false reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 08:42 PM
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You should. Right now, there's of influx of "Great Society", laws, regulations, litigations, oppressions, recessions, and concessions which has created a real societal clusterfuck of ruthless opportunism and callous expediency. In other words, no good deed goes unpunished. Pessimism aside, if one manages to live a happy, fulfilling life in this day and age, they will do so in-spite of a corrupted establishment, not because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 10:24 AM
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Never confuse harsh dichotomous actions with "objective," especially when you need a subjective Tsentralniy Komitet to enact this pseudo-scientific Politboro plan. Don't try to out-Stalin Stalin with top-down, statist genius.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 10:00 AM
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I'll go with ugly, as fat can be worked on. Basically, I'd just pick up a male-dominated hobby, build some real skill at it, then get in good with geek culture. Among them exists at least one high beta with some real life prospects. Bonus points if you snag a dented can who doesn't know his SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 12:03 AM
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It varies. I would rather be a high SMV man than a high SMV woman. But as a low SMV man, I know being a low SMV woman would play out so much better. Overall, we must be wary of the Apex fallacy as we judge the joys of being a man by the most successful among them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 11:45 PM
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I believe something hindering PPD as a sub is that, BPers and RPers have very different personal perspectives and experiences with relationships and sex. This makes it hard to debate as often time we are coming from different backgrounds. Not just different experiences, but contrasting genetic incentives, personality types, IQ levels, r-k selection scale, liberal versus conservative beliefs, etc. Honestly, there will never be agreement here so I simply enjoy the intellectual sparring. 1 - What i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 08:45 AM
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As an overthinking, introverted, highly sensitive person, my dating life would be far easier as a woman, no matter my place on the social hierarchy. However, my masochism loves difficulty, so even though I can't name anything I like about being a man as opposed to a woman, I enjoy the challenge overall. Everyday brings with it a new insight, and I'm loving my spiritual development as time goes on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 08:20 AM
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I wish I could provide a simple answer, but I don't think the answer to this ancient question will be. We can train our animal natures out of us via the environment, self-reflection and practice, and the will and motivation to do this will be both individualized and context-dependent. Not to mention some adopt second natures easier than others. So biology via culture but culture/training can dampen/alter phenotypical expression so basically... "It's complicated."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/16 02:13 AM
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As Good As it Gets On another note, this is an impossible question to answer without irony or a short story where all manner of nitpicks become possible. What kind of depth do you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/16 02:19 AM
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Take the life of a man, any man. Turn the man into a woman - born and raised - and take away all reason and accountability. Therein lies the life of a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/16 01:24 AM
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Not in the least. The narrative's already written: "When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 09:00 AM
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That book is going back to 1927. Haha! Interesting. I'll take that endorsement from religious science!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/16 09:13 PM
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Because it's essentially a degenerative condition. The only way it can be seen positively is through self-delusion, and I'm just not capable of that any longer. Incapable of creativity and imagination? You sure? And even if I could - what would it change? Why would I want to do that? What could it hurt? Is there some value you hold here? No, I won't get the strawman. If you're explicitly saying that you're not willing to consider me as an actual person until I do a little dance for you, then we'…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/16 03:17 PM
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You're not making any sense. You don't have too. In fact, I recommend you embrace a little delusion in a positive direction. Faith, if you will. Being an incel doesn't alter my value system. It's a circumstance of my life which I take into consideration when I, well, live it. That's it. What you're thinking of is negative self-talk and yeah, giving that up back when I was like 15 was a good Not negative self-talk. We're transcending that. You identified incel as a negative condition. Why? Why ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/16 01:47 PM
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Because frame! This alters your entire value system, trickling down into your emotions, assumptions, and what you provide attention to. That - or fully accept being an incel and consider yourself - 100% believe yourself to be - above all normies, relationships, and so on. That's another frame. This isn't easy and will take a ton of assertiveness beyond most people's ability. That's also an advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/16 10:45 AM
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I believe that most of all men must have frame, which demands quite a bit of social skills beyond most people's willingness to consider, understand, or practice. Basically, a short man who believes being short puts him at a disadvantage as a mate will discover this truth. Another short man, who jettison this frame in favor of another frame where being short puts him at an advantage, and he asserts this with 100% confidence (faith, basically), will discover this counter-truth. But he will also ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/16 10:35 AM
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OP is 17 and talking about being forever alone. I want that crystal ball. Predictably, she gets a lot of sympathy and support. No surprise. Male incels get contempt. Hell, it takes cognitive effort for me to rise above that. This ends the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/16 09:58 AM
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Great insight! But god damn, the TRP/MRP path sounds like one hell of a make-over - threw out my RP card once I knew I would never put up that much effort for any female in this universe. But I imagine that ideally, both the woman and the man make some changes to fix the marriage. I'm sure there's a synthesis somewhere in this mix.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/16 01:04 AM
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This will be fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 09:32 PM
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That's definitely the path I took, with more self-acceptance mixed in that introspective drink. If you wanna really be badass, one also needs to account for personality type, ways of thinking, and gene-cultural variables. Or just take a few tabs of LSD.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 09:31 PM
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I'd switch genders in a heartbeat for a year every other year, just to have the broadest perspective possible on the human experience. I've got so many questions about the female internal psyche, I'd love to take them out of the Other category for once. I hypothesize that men go narcissistic and women go solipsistic when insecure, but who the fuck knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 11:09 AM
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I've got that feeling we agree. A not-so-secretive secret, the anger phasers mostly type all that angry nonsense on the reddit. Let 'em vent. They get over it, at least I did in 6 months. But I know the men who apply Redpill though, who lift, hold frame in social situations, make bank and kick life's ass don't have that kind of time. Kinda like MGTOW who don't truly go their own way. As even though I fit the bill, they're too focused on women to be consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 10:50 AM
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Then you should include steps on attaining greater self-awareness. Knowing thyself isn't easy. Perhaps a step-by-step guide and books to read. Platitudes serve nothing but feel-good-ish ideals and Disney wishful thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 10:31 AM
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This is a view to be challenged. The naturally successful believe success comes naturally. They never had to earn it. They just did it so their detrimental advice reflects this: "Just get it." "Just do it." "Don't worry, it'll come when it's time." "Just be authentic." They're the person born in a rich family, wondering why the poor just don't get their shit together. "Why are they so mad?" "What's the big deal? It's just money?" "They're really overreacting." Whether in economics or sex, the al…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 10:19 AM
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Exactly. One must adapt to the market, sexual and economic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 08:49 PM
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Would balance be a better word? I just worry about this train of thought. But I confess: I don't find notions of fairness and equality valuable. I'm too hierarchical and meritocratic. Contradicting myself, don't the tenets of universalism and humanism advocate a treating everyone with respect and dignity? Or at least chasing that ideal? Or even a sense of reciprocity: if I help you, you help me? If I loan a man money, am I entitled I ask him to pay me back?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 07:03 PM
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The one limited to men and specifically to the ForeverUnwanted types. Basically, prostitution doesn't work for them because you can't buy love.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 06:21 PM
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With his determination and work ethic, I can't stand seeing him continuing to suffer needlessly in a ruthlessly shallow SMP. He can and probably will/would learn the language, but he may not need to. American global power being what it is, many countries teach their people English to participate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 02:02 PM
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Dented Can SMP is quite on the mark.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 08:46 AM
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Precisely. Location, location, location. When the SMP isn't buying what you're selling, it's time to change markets.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 08:18 AM
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For that poor guy, leave America. I'm not even joking.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 03:23 AM
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Damn
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/16 10:50 AM
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Haha! Thanks. I've tried helping my incel friends in the past, but a fixed-mindset creates a self-fulfilling prophecy, which creates a negative feedback loop, which entrenches the fixed-mindset, and on and on. So they rather just stay still within a mental iron maiden created from shameful childhood experiences, among other events. Too bad only the dead sit still, so in life it manifests as depressing comfort that not even the bi-weekly D&D session can't keep in tow.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/16 09:21 AM
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This applies only if we assume the incel is also an omega with whack social skills, terrible looks, depressing mentality and fixed-mindset outlook on the world and his own potential. An incel with a strong drive to change the world will at the very least find any kind of way to solve his problem, even if this entails hitting the gym, honing all manner of social skills, and then dating women several SMV points lower than what he should be able to get. Thus, I argue that lack of abundance mentalit…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/16 05:17 AM
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I had to read what you said a few times to get it. I always feel like I'm following a stream of consciousness in your posts, as if we're just sort of chiming in on what thought path your mind is traveling at the moment of clicking "save".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/16 01:20 AM
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Skepticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/16 12:16 AM
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Good enough for me! Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 09:11 PM
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You just threw values at me without any evidence. I'm a sucker for emotionality, but Bill Gates wasn't in the gym. Jogging hits the fitness quota just fine for energy benefits, but not for XX chromosomal preferences. So please provide evidence that a super fit body leads to all you claim so I can immediately start lifting like a true RP bro. This is only 30% sarcasm, because Bruce Lee agrees, and my xenophilia agrees with anything Eastern.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 07:54 PM
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Omega.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 05:38 PM
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I think it would be argued that beta men aren't losing their jobs, but that they're losing the resources bargaining chip. Women can and do solve their own security needs (in the form of resources) no problem. Betas used to provide consistency, comfort, financial security, but that isn't valued any more. Now they must provide dopamine, high energy, short-term joy, high octane Alpha excitement and strong masculinity, or find themselves undesirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 05:37 PM
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Define "serious philosopher."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 10:18 AM
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But really, so fucking what? Men also find women attractive in various ways. Some are cute girls, some are sexy girls, some a innocent nice girls, etc. I think a very large part of the more angsty side of trp (& incels, mgtows, etc.) comes from themselves being extremely way too romantic. They want to be the sun around which their girl revolves, they want her to have sexual dreams about him - even a stray thought about an ex or some other random dude is an act of treason, they want every sexual …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 09:15 AM
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Agreed. Disentangling evolutionary, biological incentives from normal, economic incentives isn't easy. Much alpha behavior and body language emerges from the man simply having options and acting accordingly. The picture gets even more muddled with female dualistic sexual strategy, where she may cheat with a genetically superior male (alpha fux) but not leave a financial superior male (beta bux) akin to continuing to proclaim loyalty to a good job while secretly doing freelance work for their com…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 08:55 AM
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If you're secure, it means you're validated from within, knowing you're worth it even without external rewards. It's also a clever catch-all word for Machiavellian types to get away with deception. Like many virtues, it provides benefits to your life but can be used as a weapon against you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 01:58 PM
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Great stuff for beginners to socializing. Authenicity comes with a social cost. I couldn't agree more.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 01:35 PM
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As a male, I'm too passive as opposed to aggressive. I simply do not approach women and do not believe physical attraction serves as a valid reason for me to do so. I don't escalate because sex genuinely isn't on my mind. Just no sexual tension. I can also go on very long dry spells and it doesn't bother me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 09:20 PM
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Ideology is often irrelevant to such day to day concerns. It's inspiring to see tradcons and radfems who can work together and actually talk to each other, as they do their thankless best to keep civilization running, despite the apathy of others. Often irrelavent? I don't step out of the door without considering my ideology. Compromising isn't the solution. Synthesis is the solution! We need a paradoxical interplay between conflicting forces! Not this sacrifice of ideology, of ideals, of romant…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 11:23 AM
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Unfortunately, you will need to directly relate this to sexual strategy or it'll be removed. Indirectly doesn't count. Let's not pretend it's anything other than poor impulse control, and an inability to rise above their environment. It takes more effort to enjoy the decline than bitch and moan about it full of sound and fury signifying nothing. 99% get riled up by the uncontrollable. Myself included. I applaud those who can enjoy it like Nero. I fall into Weltschmerz myself. They were just slow…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 09:52 AM
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There's also a reason why they chose that path in the first place. The option of a loving relationship doesn't exist for all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 08:52 AM
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If one believes what women value isn't worth valuing or the best part of one's self isn't valuable to women beyond how much money it makes, then going MGTOW becomes a viable option, especially considering the financial pain of divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 08:46 AM
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RP heuristics thrives off grey areas where science can't ethically tread. We can't set up cameras in their houses to monitor the relationship over three to five years or decades, so nothing in this snapshot of male-female relations in an artificial laboratory setting will make much of a difference. Going broader, even science's very attempt to control for all variables leaves out valuable contextual information such as husband's income relative to his male competition, her past sexual history, h…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 09:12 AM
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Nature operates in a pseudo-random fashion because it knows what the coming environment may entail for any given species, thus making continuous variation the only constant. Pedophilia - assuming genetic - would just be a glitch in the neuronal system, creating far too much preference for neoteny beyond the norm or what's adaptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 09:55 PM
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Lol! Wow and thank you. Absolutely unintentional. I must be doing a damn good job of it. I took Monk Mode so seriously I could join a monastery.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 03:44 AM
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Yeah, I basically lost my "incel" card when I realized I don't have the depressing mindset to go with it. I've got no resentment with the opposite sex unless I'm doing some fun RP bit here on PPD. I simply enjoy celibacy too much and don't want to mess up self-growth just yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 02:49 AM
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What morality would you say you subscribe to? Did you grow up with this morality? A hodgepodge of libertarianism/objectivism and Taoism. I'm in the middle of "finding myself" as new facts (e.g. RP) comes in. I did not grow up with this morality at all. I've never found a universal top-down morality applicable to living on Earth and fits with my personality and nature, but I believe everyone possess a subjective morality take into account their strengths and let's them achieve their highest poten…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 09:46 PM
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What would you throw away your personal ethics for? Nothing. But being human, I engage in mental gymnastics to rationalize grey areas. All contextual. I've tried throwing away morality before and never felt good about it. The gains felt corrupted. What does your personal ethics gain you aside from feelings of sorts? Only a feeling and a sense of conviction. The very question presumes I seek particular ends (for example, certain gains over losses). Not quite. For me, the means are the ends. All o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 07:01 PM
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I talk a tough game on the internet. I genuinely can't empathize with the demonic scenario given because sex literally way too low on my scale of values to ever throw away all personal ethics in favor of it. I still can't rid myself of being a nice guy or white knight no matter how much women shit on them. I don't expect morality from others. Women cheat. Men cheat. Dumb girls get drunk and raped by Dark Triads. Dumb men get divorce raped by Dark Triads. That's what happens when you believe in h…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 08:47 AM
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All's fair in love in war. Relationships exist in a black box of complexity and opportunism. Play to win. If you choose not to out of some misguided morality, take responsibility and do not expect others to share your ethical considerations.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 01:35 AM
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Well stated. Always happy to read good analysis. I'll bring this up to my friend as a means for him to get his Alpha cajones back.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 11:38 PM
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Theoreticlly, yes. We need a beta better strategy or more likely, make higher demands on women and be less forgiving. Women adapt just as much as men. But you need to provide actual definitions of alpha-beta-omega for this discussion to even move forward. Defining lifting as beta reveals that we're nowhere near being on the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 08:05 PM
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Nice. Great post. I couldn't agree more. So I'll just help (circlejerk?). The intuitive, irrational, and crazy part of my personality I only just started developing as I realized I mistyped myself as an INTJ for over 20 years (unhealthy INFJ for that long). The book Antifragile by Nassim Taleb points out the valuable Dionysian part of our nature and just how fragile these social-economic models are in the face of time. When BP asks "Fine. RP works, but will that make you happy in the long-term?"…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 11:19 AM
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I wish I had more time for a real response, and I admit, I post in bad-ish faith. More rhetorical questions than true concerns. I'm RP, with a touch of blue. I know what works (RP) but I'm taking I'm my own style and purposely limiting my market (BP). I don't want to be attractive to literally 80% of women in America. If MBTI is true, I don't want Sensing-types to even notice me, seeing as I can trace so, so much frustration to them. They literally make me more misogynistic than I want to be. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 09:21 AM
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There's too much interpretation in this post. I need assistance! Please explain. that just being unusually desperate for intelligent conversation and patient enough to allow things to grow organically wins me surprise offers for sex and relationships. Define "intelligent conversation." How do they develop? What improv should I learn? How patient must you be? What does a proper organic growth of a relationship look like? Most importantly, why does this work? Go explore the world. Work on being wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 07:34 AM
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Initial thoughts... Even when applying MBTI to RP theory, a man still needs to be the best version of his personality type. Looks, game, holding frame still matter. A male ISFJ sounds like a recipe for dating disaster, while a female ISFJ sounds neeto. Being a sensing-type, I think an ISFJ woman would be more impressed by Chad, but have the common-sense not to hook up with him. Traditional values and all that shit. Good wife material. Dependable girlfriend. As a man you still better hold frame, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 11:10 AM
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All at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 10:51 AM
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"Young Outsider"? That's new. Republican but not quite. Probably because my stance on social issues largely amount to minding your own fucking business. I just know I despise all top-down solutions to both social and economic problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 10:42 AM
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TL;DR RP isn't full of highly sensitive people. It's full of super analytical people who love categories and hierarchies. Body Edit: If they were as sensitive as they claimed to be, they wouldn't ever confuse it with being a "no strings attached doormat for anyone you're attracted to". That's just avoiding problems, rather than confronting them together, and I've yet to meet anyone who finds it attractive, who isn't looking for a victim. How do you figure? High sensitivity generally makes one mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 01:54 PM
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TL;DR BPers can't create an alternative because they aren't philosophically inclined to do so. Atheists don't provide an alternative to religion. BPers don't provide an alternative to RP. TRP will grow, but it will be too late if BPers turn around. Edit Moved TL;DR to the top... (How does this get so long?) Sorry! Body BP should provide an alternative but I don't think they can. I say this as a very jaded Redpiller with a touch of Blue to not completely hate humanity. BP could dismantle RP belie…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 10:44 AM
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Nice. I love the Sphinx. I couldn't agree more.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 08:54 AM
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MGTOW mostly go their own way due to accepting the Redpill beliefs but not the prescriptive angle to transition into alpha male status. They were beta, then said "Fuck that shit" and chose Omega status if they get ranked at all. So, for all intents and purposes, they are Redpill but of a more harmless strain because they don't prefer to deal with women at all. Live and let live.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 08:49 AM
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That's part of the game. Reality's complex and social reality even more so. Within that complexity there's a lot of lies and obfuscations, deviations and bullshit. A lot of BP attacks involve pointing out just how complex this shit is, and just how simple the RP model is. But, in spite of this, mainstream advice mostly sucks ass, so desperate men come looking for answers. TRP's just filling a gap with a kind of hardcore, polarizing soft rationality that provides badass pragmatic value damn near …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 12:12 AM
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Honestly, the "women stop maturing after their teens" is just a useful mentality to have in order to help men value the teasing, bantering, frame-holding social game that women love and reward. Women generally won't be impressed with a man's in-depth knowledge of quantum physics and geopolitical conflicts around the world unless it makes him money. In fact, it's a turn off and mood killer. But tease her about her silly glasses and knock aside a shit-test with a clever agree-and-amplify and you'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 11:38 PM
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Hate to agree with a BPer, but I gotta feeling that the RPers of this thread have reached the acceptance phase and no longer seeing the Redpill perspective as competitive. But I quote from The Rational Male: The Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies: For one gender’s sexual strategy to succeed the other gender must compromise or abandon their own. That's a zero-sum game. As of right now, I hold a less angry version of this philosophy in my mind: she must not control me, cause me to lose frame, or c…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 04:44 PM
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This style of argument always leads to a dead-end. In general, RP demands a working social model to explain social realities and gender dynamics. If you can provide an explanation for the behavior of these women either within the RP model or provide a better social model that encompasses terrible women and good ones, we can at least debate under the same frame that patterns exist within what women/men like and what they dislike. I hope you don't choose to have no social model altogether as that'…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 08:41 PM
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I'll try, but I'm still working on it in my personal life to see if I'm full of shit or not. Still a hypothesis in need of experiment. If it doesn't work in my personal life, I'm throwing it out and stronger RP ideas will re-emerge. I read - according to Wikipedia - that each of the traits (openness to experience, extraversion, conscientiousness, neuroticism and agreeable) come with a pretty strong level of heritability (nearly half for each). Sitting down and deciding to change one's genetic co…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 01:56 PM
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Touche. I totally missed that one. My mind literally interpreted his simile like a funny joke, and yours like a malicious attack. Unconscious bias is unconscious. I concede.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 01:35 PM
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Insulting the point he made and insinuating that he's a lower animal for making it doesn't prove it's opposite. That's just ad hominem with a touch of poisoning the well. Is he correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 09:49 AM
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That there's only one particular alpha archetype that all women like. And a corollary: that there's only one kind of woman all men like. This makes judging others, including one's progress, easier but the archetype is arbitrarily cultural and extrinsically determined. I'm not convinced of its veracity. I believe all men possess an individualized alpha archetype that can embody based on their inborn temperment, inclinations and personality type. I personally use MBTI to aid my understanding but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 09:21 AM
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I feel it's even less romantic - and more cynical - than that. Per RP, as a man you shouldnt need "completion", so she really has very little to offer beyond sexual release and children. So the woman is basically parasitic by default, and an Alpha puts up with her because he can afford the emotional leech. Even leeches have some value. More idealistic, maybe being Alpha gets you 80% of the way to fulfillment, and the last 20% goes to the woman for "completion." I'm abusing the Pareto Principle f…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 05:07 PM
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I think for some of us sexual politics and actual politics have a powerful culture significance. The Redpill and Bluepill are damn near synonymous with Rightwing and leftwing political orientations. Conservative worldviews and Progressive ideologies play an subconscious, intricate role in how one approaches dating and relationships. Possibly. At least that's how I see it from a holistic perspective of it all. Admittedly, this thread could use far more commentary on how Trump's rise could be rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 04:54 PM
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You really can't just cherrypick the top 5% in various fields and turn around and say "Ah ha! Men win! Go team Men!" That's disingenuous and lacks a certain faux objectivity we're playing around here on PPD. So...here goes... Men or women, who's more disposal at almost every level of society? Men or women, who do we historically send to asinine wars to die for idiotic causes? Who do we have more sympathy for if they fail? Who do we disregard if they fuck up? Which gender can take advantage of mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 10:19 AM
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You are officially my favorite poster on PPD. Now I just need a radical misandrist BPers and I will have two favorites.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 09:18 AM
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What does it mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 07:20 AM
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Good question. Off the top of my head... Absolute lack of social skills and charisma, he even makes men feel ackward. Not funny whatsoever. Zero sense of humor. Or if he does make jokes, the poor calibration and terrible metaphorical quality kills them on arrival. Gives up frame not from logic and reason but from a total fear of conflict (herein lies the pushover quality). Basically, if I feel the need to AMOG them I know they're omega. I know I'm beta, but there are some men that make me feel u…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 03:08 AM
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Great analysis! I imagine a corollary where a woman (RPW?) should be about 80% Madonna and 20% whore to really entrance the alpha. Also, to clarify -- "Beta" isn't entirely a supplicating imbecile displaying 100% unattractive traits. That would be omega as betas do not repulse women. Attractive, they are. Arousing, they are not. He is an emotionally available cushion of comfort, love, and support, and he does make her laugh, feel accepted, validated, etc. It follows that a man should display 0% …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 02:25 AM
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Interesting analogy. In a warped way, I see the parallels.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 06:53 PM
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Pretty much a huge let down across the board. Still feels like little more than a little pestering addiction I need to take care of every three to four years. I expected feelings of transcendence or sublimation, something life-changing. Some reason why everyone seems obsessed with it. Surely it must mean something. But at the end of the night, fucking around is just fucking around. I get more inspiration from a good book, excellent music, and my imagination than sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 10:53 PM
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You either lead or follow. I wish it wasn't like this, I wish men and women could be a team and work together. This is either a false dichotomy or it isn't. Which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 09:43 AM
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Part of your confusion comes from the fact that classifying people as "alpha" and "beta" is really, really dumb. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 09:39 AM
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I feel this will never change. A woman's primary goal in the mating game is to make sure a prospective guy is the real deal and not faking it, and once she gets him to "open up and be vulnerable", proceed to vet him once more. And if he's a tried-and-true manipulator, she still wins, seeing as their children may grow up to become effective manipulators as well. Evolutionary incentives don't care for morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 06:22 PM
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The truth of the matter is that it's all contextual. My apologies to the reductionists. Ok, maybe not. It's tribal at the end of the day. In your social groups, are you the "coolest guy"? Do the others look up to you? Or maybe you're running something more egalitarian, but your opinion is more equal than others. You can tease and pull back in line those who mess with established sub-culture and get approval of your fellow peers. Either way, you can't escape hierarchies or quasi-hierarchies. It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 09:56 AM
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I'll do my best to answer, but I feel I'm being absurd trying to intuit the past histories and lives RPers. They really do come in all shapes and sizes. So here goes! It's about a rich, important, attractive man, who plays sexual dominance games. TRP will talk about all of these things endlessly, as representing women's instincts. It obsesses over the idea that if you're not any of these things, you, as a man, really have nothing to offer her. Ok, Alpha. Check. And it shits all over the money pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 11:26 AM
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I agree with this, but mostly from a Redpill lens. Generally speaking, the Redpill enshrines reductionism and Occam's Razor, but definitely misses the ball (sometimes, depends on the TRPer) on the value of individual complexities. I remember reading somewhere that Nature values adaptability above equilibrium, formlessness over homogeneity, etc. Basically, a species that doesn't change with the times, goes extinct. Humans dominate the world because we change the best and fastest via massive coope…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 10:07 AM
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Probably also with a clever, well-developed sense of style and poise to showcase your individuality instead of signaling your conformity to a social dominance hierarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 09:10 AM
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What about men who can get women but found themselves castrated by divorce courts? What about almost every man in the married redpill who clearly still get access to sex, and then subscribe to the Redpill? What about men who aren't virgins but find themselves confused by a woman's proclamation of "loving nice men" and them flipping the script and banging this or that asshole? What about the ovulation cycles of female desire between beta/provider to alpha/genetics? And so on and so on. The above …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 09:01 AM
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I know a guy who grew up incredibly emotionally distant in a foster home, left when he was 18, had a job, bought a car, worked at a local business, expanded said business, and now manages a branch of that business. That sounds like the guy you should become if not better.
/r/TheRedPill24/05/16 09:32 AM
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Experience tells me your best bet is to continue your path, build more wealth, power, independence and freedom. You won't find a valuable logical reason beyond "fucking is fun" and "family us important" without the BP elements of spiritual, deep connections, etc. What happened in my life was an existential feeling of "something missing" even when you have it altogether. Your genes will demand their replication sooner or later. So right now, take awesome advantage of your current asexual / anti-s…
/r/TheRedPill24/05/16 09:03 AM
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Depends. You possess an artistic streak with short stories and singing, so a touch of idealism (and it's subsequent loss and restoration) may provide deeper and more powerful emotions in your narratives and music. If you want a logical reason to chase women while believing all the TRP facts and being borderline asexual, good luck! Enjoy your work and stay focused on your own self-actualization, I say. If on the other hand you choose the path of irrationality to empower your writing...well...the …
/r/TheRedPill24/05/16 08:44 AM
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I could be wrong or just lazy, but I don't think I've read a hardcore RPer agree with a hardcore BPer on any BP-only point, whatever those may be as the BP fights on shifting ideological sands. Yet, I've seen BPers agree with plenty of RP points. Even if a BP Alpha's like "Dude, that's common sense, of course you should lift/be fit/ignore mainstream advice/not give a fuck/hold frame" he still loses by admitting that the RP Model of Gender Dynamics has some merit, if not quite a bit. "Just stop s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 02:53 PM
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Or is this place best used to better define ourselves? This, I believe. For hardcore red and blues, I don't see any possible opening for genuine change. The frames of references, worldviews and even basic premises differ far too much. For example, how much weight does peer-reviewed scientific articles hold in a debate? If a lot, BP wins. If not much weight because "we deal with the real world" or "no scientist will put their reputation on the line to prove solipsism" then RP wins. Sometimes. Lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 01:52 PM
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If you figure out your MBTI type (search different websites and take multiple tests to get a decent reading and make sure it matches you). Then post your original post in the many MBTI reddits/forum for your type. Note: this may not be entirely helpful because an unhealthy version of a type can easily slide into their negative, life-hating shadow - which you're in - and thus skew the results. I'm going to guess a pissed off INTx, perhaps female INTP. Introverted - obviously. Intuitive - because …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 12:52 AM
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Purple pill leaning red. Err...9 I think, where I can "control" it simply from a commitment to my work, and other kinds of mental gymnastics. I literally had a good friend pull me from an enjoyable monk mode not to long ago. Around women, I have an abundance mentality without the abundance. Basically, I took MGTOW kinda...seriously. If you know MBTI, being an INFJ helps me A LOT. Work and introspecting is so damn interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 11:13 PM
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For the men, little more than the screams of self-loathing and narcissistic rage of being driven from the mating game by circumstance or their own insecurities. They're starving, and they just want to eat. For the women, they know what they must do, they know they must kill any hoping of being treated as anything more than a life-size fleshlight, realizing just how painful being ugly (or broken in other ways) purges all subjectivity from the person. They can eat, but the food's all poison, and w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 04:07 AM
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i agree
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 07:57 PM
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Regretfully, since I'm feeling particularly dark and cynical right now, he should consider going Dark Beta to build his SMV for other women. She'll give him pretty awesome sex as long as he teases her with a possible marriage during her fake Epiphany stage. Once she starts really pressuring him for marriage, he should just "friendzone" her and call her entitled if she bitches about it. I believe former CC riders are a blessing in disguise and he should be happy to have this wonderful opportunity…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 11:11 AM
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No. All of life exists as one big market, from Wall Street down to the Sexual Marketplace. Relationships, friendships, familial countries - the interpersonal is the transactional. You scratch my back, I scratch yours. Basic reciprocation. Tit for tat. I cooperate, I expect cooperation back. If you defect, I will defect back. Don't expect further cooperation. Even monkeys know this. Nature gave us these emotions for a reason. So if I cooperate and you defect, I will hate you, I will be upset, I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 03:38 PM
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My SMV isn't high enough in her eyes, the cultural context matters a great deal. Overall though, any woman who acts too abrasive clearly possesses too many insecurities for my tastes. So I'd put on my playful beta attitude while investing nothing but fees-fees and questions. This...isn't very conscious on my part, but I know I've mentally nexted her and subconsciously gone into therapy mode. I need to discover the source of hatred and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 08:35 AM
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The ethnocentric homogeneous center. Equal opportunity haters of outgroups and exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 07:39 PM
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Don't take it seriously. The post didn't even pass 100 upvotes. I don't even pay attention to posts that don't surpass 500 upvotes. A case of "Not all Reds are like that." Overall, the way out of such a humorous low bar is to get married before 24. Back to the 1950s, baby!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 07:08 PM
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Saved. I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 05:27 PM
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But what are all men like? Not the feminist caricature nightmare incubus version. I want the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Because I, sir, like to believe I am a special snowflake. I imagine if TRP did have an AMALT in the sidebar, it could alienate it's audience if men don't fit the description.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:22 AM
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Jesus, I never saw it that way. Well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 09:50 PM
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Hate to sound BP with a "Not all Reds are like that," but you will find hardliners in any movement who push to the logical extreme and act like disciples of The Only Truth. RP isn't a cult and calling it a cult distracts from what it really is: a reaction to current sociological trends for men confused and pushed out of the dating markets after drinking the humanistic "It's what's on the inside that counts" Kool-aid and applying it without any luck. Beware the smugness that plagues today's progr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 12:16 PM
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Damn, I feel for you. Thank you for sharing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 11:23 AM
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Most contemplative to the point of unlimited paralysis. I call myself the overthinker of overthinkers and not in a good way. On the other hand, overconfident douchebaggery is more of bluepill generated stereotype but it is kept alive by some guys making posts about "irrational confidence" and "women dig assholes) without actually understanding how that plays out, logically speaking. Yes, but TRP pushes this culture. The solution for all the innumerable complex problems devolves down into whether…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 10:43 AM
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INFJ here. I find myself agreeing with everything Redpill including the brutal amorality clause, and then going Purplepill to stay out of all of it. I respect women too much, and can't kill of my cooperative nice guy element in favor of overconfident frame-holding douchebaggery. I can't embrace the Kill-or-be-killed philosophy underscoring the Redpill perspective. This benefits Redpill though. I proselytize the beliefs like a proper neophyte even if I don't practice them. I honestly believe INFJ…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 08:40 AM
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Go to Redpill even for the benefit of counteracting nice guy, altruistic tendencies. From my experience, they don't really go away no matter how much "misogyny" I consume, but they do emerge in a more dilated form.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 10:41 AM
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Agreed. Damn near 90% of the threads on PurplepillDebate that ask for equality or fairness can be summed up by "Men are disposable who must shoulder the burden of performance or die trying."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 10:13 AM
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Bizarre but excellent find. Then again, I fell into the rabbithole of neoreaction and Dark Enlightenment via Redpill so his emotionality lacks a pragmatist's understanding of the big picture. His work's cut out for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 10:00 AM
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What are your thoughts on her advice? Does it speak to anything that TRP says is true for very attractive, blonde women? Do you believe most women are repulsed by a man who is skinnier than herself? NAWALT
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 09:41 AM
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Yep. Furthermore, introverts tend to be very extroverted when around people they know and who respect their insights. I personally give long-winded speeches to my best friends when they get me going. Social anxiety, fears of one's insecurities being exposed, etc. These emerge from a difference source than being introverted, but introversion - in and of itself - doesn't help remove them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 12:05 AM
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Absolutely. I'm an HSP so the smallest social gestures and attacks really unnerve me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 03:50 PM
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Lol! Stealing that. Well stated.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 03:43 PM
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For me, I see the AWALT (and RP in general) praxeologically, i.e. I interpret it all in the form of incentives, psychic costs and psychic benefits. So, for theorycrafting, AWALT becomes 100% of women unless you specifically counter my (RP) premises. Hypergamy provides an incentive, but not an absolute. Women value security and genes, and this isn't always in the same man (dualistic mating strategy). The other elements - solipsism, opportunistic style of love, higher EIQ - serve the dualistic mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 11:18 PM
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I agree with this direction, but not quite the anger phase analysis. My anger came from being told by women and society that they valued my beta traits, and that 99% of my problems stemmed from not being a real beta, but from secretly being an alpha douche, hidden omega. In short, I hate being lied to. Although I'm naturally beta, I'm hardly the majority of TRP subscribers. My escape from anger came from accepting both my natural beta nature, and accepting the consequences of this nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 12:25 PM
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Precisely.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 04:21 PM
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Well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 01:55 PM
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Lots of stuff that gets promoted on TRP are reasons why female friends of mine broke up with their shitty abusive ex friends, but TRP still thinks everything is fine as long as they find one that's insecure enough that she doesn't leave or stand up for herself. I really worry about this line of reasoning as it inadvertently blames the victim for falling for ruthless manipulation tactics. I could be white knighting, but maybe TRP works or can work even on secure women by making them insecure wher…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 01:51 PM
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Given enough successful men running for the forever-bachelor hills, this will drive women to make concessions with alphas or even redpill aware beta bux who want to settle down but can't bring themselves to marry. As with most things, it's simply a matter of time and incentives.
/r/TheRedPill05/05/16 08:49 AM
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I'm pretty sure I would say something like: "What's in it?" cough "I mean...of course I'll hold it. Yes, I'm a perfectly nice guy." I'll be sure to say this in the most cartoonish evil way possible. If she does hand the purse to me, she opened the excellent door to getting pranked. If she doesn't, I'll get "upset" for her not trusting me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 07:34 AM
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A woman willing to endure life as a plate of Chad Thundercock No. 19 reveals a lack of self-awareness, realistic appraisal, and long-term thinking necessary for a long-term relationship, IMO. A woman who believes she can lock down a sociopathic Chad is naive at best, delusional at worst. This lowers her RMV, and if she's pushing her upper-20s, her SMV clock ruthlessly ticks her value away. This compounds with today's horrible divorce laws, which hurt every woman's RMV nationwide (assuming RP ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 01:32 PM
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What ideal are you striving for?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 09:52 PM
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I can see that. I often find work more fun than play, so in some sense I live hedonistically.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 09:27 PM
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Well said! To shoot down stereotypes, the averaged frustrated chump isn't always some neckbeard caricature the internet "cool kids" can sadistically mock. Some men just tend to be too idealistic for their own (consistently) sexual success.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 09:25 PM
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Hedonistic indulgence and self-actualization - aren't those mutually exclusive?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 09:14 PM
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They hate the means more than the ends, the misogyny triggers far too much outrage. I personally can't see a way out of it. Believing women possess an opportunistic love, coldly nexting women without mercy, witnessing hypergamy and not caring, seeing them as responsible teens and no more -- I feel all that is necessary to make one as alpha as possible, but it’s not easy to stay...nice. Perhaps that's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 09:11 PM
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Beware the naturalistic fallacy. Nature doesn't march around with a conscious mind for us to guess about what she wants or doesn't want. Nature just is and she keeps her secrets close to her inscrutable heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 10:06 AM
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That's...kind of a motte and bailey and right now that argument exists in the motte. No one will argue with that perfectly positive part of Redpill. But really, TRP wouldn't exist if that's all it offered. PUA offers a bunch of techniques and skills to attract women. But not the "Why" such tricks even work. That's where TRP steps in. That's the bailey. Motte and Bailey
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 09:03 AM
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I say it's not mainstream until it gets off the internet. What we're seeing are the stirrings of discontent and resentment. Symptoms at best, but one shouldn't ignore the growing virus spreading underneath polite society. Any fool can roleplay a demon online. Be afraid when men say such things in real-life, not giving a fuck about the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 08:53 AM
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"Creating the reality" being the key word there. Part of good Machiavellianism is creating new insecurity in the once secure, thus trapping them in a psychological web of lies, deceit and possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 11:26 AM
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"It's human nature" gives a powerful psychological but ultimately illusory legitimacy for something that's actually nurture. Then again, "It's all nurture" does the same thing vice versa. The answer lies in acceptance of a mind-boggling degree of complexity beyond human comprehension. Like imagining the individual lives of 320 million people in America, I believe I know shit but I don't know shit. Whether someone believes a personality quirk belongs to one's genes or one's environment without a …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/16 10:32 AM
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I agree. And for an interesting follow-up: what drives Redpill men to the blue or purple pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 10:21 AM
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You've taken it too literally. He's using the post as a reflection of BP advice, which often regurgitates the platitudes of mainstream advice, which drives unlucky men to RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 10:15 AM
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And the other 1% are lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 08:56 PM
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claps Probability always wins...sooner or later.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 08:38 PM
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It's an unspoken assumption in the Redpill, but to be perfectly honest, they couldn't give a damn about academia and peer-reviewed articles. But, the intellectual side of me will concede that "No, I have no scientific evidence for this or that Redpill belief." Will that change my crimson-addled mind? Not one iota. That's your frame, but it's not the RP frame. In the RP frame, most RP beliefs are judged on two criteria: do they match my subjective experiences and will this belief make me more alp…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 02:54 PM
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More so the willingness to "do whatever it takes to win" backing up said independence if we define independence as collecting power. If they must kill, and can get away with it, kill. If they must negotiate, they negotiate extremely well. If they must deceive, they deceive. If they must charm, they charm. Fundamentally, being Alpha involves power, and the more power the better. Pragmatism is quite vicious when taken to its logical extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 12:50 AM
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They may have very unrealistic ideas about relationships or sex and therefore be unwilling to adjust or simply deal with the issue in a positive way. From what I've gleaned, it's painfully deeper for them, as they genuinely don't feel that they can change. Not unwilling. Impossible. Deep feelings of shame, learned helplessness, and trapped in a "This is just who I am" belief prevent them from even considering improving themselves because it would be pointless. Basically, the tragic pariah of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/16 05:38 AM
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Incels are actually complaining about a lack of emotional intimacy disguised as complaining about a lack of sex, probably because they think focusing on sex makes them look more manly than just admitting they're lonely. Couldn't agree more. But admitting to loneliness in this culture? No way. A man would rather admit to murdering someone and burying the body in the woods.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/16 03:32 AM
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I think I know how incel's feel now. When the opposite sex rejects who you are, you either have to hate yourself or hate them. Absolutely. Add to this the stigma surrounding psychotherapy and the burden for men to suffer pain silently, it makes sense that they rage at the world in any direction possible. One common but unhealthy way to feel big is to make others feel small. It helps a lot to claim superiority by virtue of an inborn trait, find evidence to confirm the value of that trait, and pat…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/16 03:16 AM
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I needz more context! Is it a random lottery of every adult male in the population? Adult female? Little girls? Are they part of my in-group or outgroup? American? Muslim? You said random person, so the little baby in the backseat could get punched in the face? The guy paying me - who is he? Shady bastard, what's he up to? I feel like I'm dealing with a dangerous genie: "Be careful what you wish for" comes to mind. Screw it, can I have him get punched in the face? No, instead, for one billion, I…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 09:46 PM
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Agreed, eloquence and empathy justify nothing in and of itself. In fact, simple absolutes and a brutal lack of empathy justify most hatred in the world. Excellent point, I will give this some thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 05:22 PM
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For those without an outlet, without emotional support, with accusations of entitlement and deep feelings of omnipresent shame and inborn inadequacy, hatred serves as a means to project outward something felt painfully inward. It isn't a rational response. But when you feel live in an mad world, narcissitic irrationality becomes it's own reward, no matter the direction discharged.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 10:29 AM
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I wouldn't be so pessimistic, especially with the rise of Donald Trump. Many male losers (myself included, I confess) possess enough narcissism and optimism to "believe in women", for lack of a better phrase. But feminist still hate them. I remember introducing some of my passive, nice guy friends to some of the nice-guy shaming articles written by feminists, which revealed to them, to their hilarious surprise, that they are entitled. Some people respond to such insanity with anger. Others, with…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 10:22 AM
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The underlying premises do most certainly differ. I even felt in my experience the disintegration of respect when I started treating women as responsible teenagers. Before my sensitivity got the best of me, I could feel the change, a certain resentment building within my mind. But it was working. Approach anxiety largely disappeared, they laughed and enjoyed it. Help me out here: what if what if the behaviors lead to the same goal? What if the non-natural alphas need a powerful "Why" to explain …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 02:00 PM
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When Redpillers refer to the Bluepill they refer to their definition of still being plugged in to the generally progressive culture we live in. Usually... It often does get conflated with the satirical Bluepill reddit and overrarching "Bluepill thinking" in society, which can be codified and listed with its own set of social tools (should really be sidebar material here...hmm). Bluepillers tend to be all too happy to encourage the conflation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 12:32 PM
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Why do you believe TRP is useless? Where do you think his theory could use some work?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 12:04 PM
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Thank you for sharing. Excellent thread in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 11:11 AM
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Hahaha! Love this. Challenge accepted. If you do manage to change, then whatever change occurred in you or your life was already embedded in the past, only hidden. In reality, nothing "changed". Events only unfolded. There is only one reality (or there is no reality). And if your fate in this one reality is to be at the bottom end of the totem pole, there is nothing you can do about it. I think this is an airtight argument. Your answer already exists within your logic. I'll focus on the "hidden …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 11:57 PM
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I couldn't agree more with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 05:50 PM
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I really don't fully grasp this. Please enlighten me! When I first stumbled across TRP, it basically epitomizes a very cynical worldview - everybody sucks, but especially me. Women suck for hypergamy and loving Chad. Sure. But I'm to blame for being a beta male loser who deserves nothing but contempt. I suck for being emotional. I suck for being weak. I suck for being blind. I suck for not spinning plates, not lifting, not being charismatic, not being Chad. Women suck because it's in their natur…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 11:47 AM
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A swift retort! In the study, researchers used a brain scanner to examine responses from participants who were doing a gambling task. They found that when gambling brought positive results, the extroverts exhibited a stronger response in two regions of the brain: the amygdala and the nucleus accumbens, showing that they processed surprise and reward differently than introverts. If extroverts responded more strongly to gambling paying off, they probably would respond more strongly to adventures, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 10:29 AM
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Labels help to define your strengths and weaknesses, preferably to hone those strengths and accept unchangeable weaknesses. Then again, I'm a INFJ HSP who labels everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 09:19 AM
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I couldn't agree with you more, and in fact, it gets deeper. After reading "Quiet" by Susan Cain, it was nice to realize I wasn't crazy. We simply live in a culture that prizes and loves the extrovert ideal, and their apologists will judge you based on how close you compare to this. America basically hates introverts, just seeing you as a flawed extrovert who just needs to "get over it." If you're a highly sensitive male as well, oh man, the advice of nonsensitives crosses into madness and cuts …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 09:07 AM
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A libertarian who doesn't prize liberty above all the other values falls into paleoconservatives or some weird statist civil liberties liberal. Libertarianism fiercely opposing collectivism and it pisses off both sides depending on which side is winning. Today, progressives want to devour the economy whole with all manner of statist policies, and so today, I'm their enemy. Don't mess with mah market. But in the future, if some paleoconservative racist patriarchy rises to power, and starts ejecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 01:39 AM
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My bad. You're right. Absolutely right. I shouldn't overthink it. But what if overthinking it is me being myself? But you're right - the platitude of just being yourself means to not overthink it. But what if you're an overthinker? Crap, I'm overthinking it. But I'm a overthinker! I'm just being myself! Me being an overthinker is being myself and being myself means I've overthinking the very thing that shouldn't be overthought! That means I can't just be myself because being myself is what I sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 08:52 PM
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Interesting, do you think this ties into the idea of Good Fatherhood, and that it's the father's job to protect the family, just as its the nation-state's job to protect its citizens?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 08:29 PM
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That comes with assumptions of its own: what is your best self? How do you acquire it? How do you become it? Does it take any becoming at all or do you just already have it and you simply need to "be it" without "becoming it"? Hold on, if I embrace RP values for about two years, practicing them everyday, and become a new person with a new set of values, is that my best self? From nice guy, to omega guy, to beta guy, to Alpha asshole to Stoic Alpha -- which one is the real me? Women like my new v…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 08:21 PM
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RP as a whole doesn't want sympathy whatsoever. Hell, true RPers don't even want empathy. They know they won't get it, and especially not from women or society. True RPers already know that callous hypergamous women can't empathize except when it benefits them, and certainly incapable of empathizing with what weak men go through. Even other men don't care much, as being a disposable male means if you are suffering, you either man up or kill yourself. Easy-peasy dichotomies. Then there are the fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 07:55 PM
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This. I'm a sucker for poetic reflections. Anything to make the world a more aesthetic place.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 02:26 AM
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INFJ.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 06:28 AM
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Maybe it's too late at night, but I get far too invested in these pseudo-anonymous postings. In RL, anyone who knows me would laugh at the image you concocted. Hell, I thought of about twenty different comebacks but fuck it - that hurt. It hurt because this is PurplePillDebate and I hope, one day, to reach a shared understanding. Instead, we fling insults at one another with a sadist's glee, confirming our self-righteous biases and patting our digital backs. So I both apologize for my - whatever…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 06:27 AM
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I understand your skepticism because you're right. There's more to this story than meets the mind. I can play the goof-ball IDGAF clown filled with banter, teasing, jolly-roger dude and devoid of any real depth. I get results. Unusually good results. It's fun. But always, always, always the frivolity falls behind my Need for MeaningTM, and I lose charismatic momentum and then, woman loses interest. But NAWALT, and here I'm neither complaining nor excusing myself. I've met a few where they actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 04:27 AM
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God awful game, pure and simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 03:39 AM
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During the approach, it betrays too much investment in the woman or any particular conversation strand too early. It's me vaulting over to the comfort stage without first generating attraction, bantering, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 03:32 AM
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Unfortunately, TRP attracts the unhappy, friendzoned, nice-shamed low SMV betas looking for answers for their painful isolation. Their pain dismissed as illusory, they feel less-than-human as disposable males, such that looking down on them does little more than confirm their insecurities of general worthlessness and overall inadequacy. Today, you look down on them. But tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow... Essentially, TRP transforms these shame-induced insecurities into a hierarchy-loving, rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 12:47 AM
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Ectomorph with a love of deep discussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 11:53 PM
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My SMV pushes 4 (I think) and maybe 6 on my best days, such that these days I don't even see any woman above SMV 5. I spot them, but I don't "see" them. Ya dig? For women about my level, if they don't virtue signal with nerdy doodads or geeky apparel, they don't register either. I admit, I might've overdone it on aloofness. The curse of binary thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 02:15 PM
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Better bad than good. Better alpha than beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 11:09 AM
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Unfortunately, cold psychopaths win far too often in this frigid world.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 09:35 AM
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Maybe. I think that by constantly asking "What would a typical ESTP do?" versus "What would a badass INFJ do?" will certainly lead to different actions in any given context. As of right now, I'm working on/ building myself into being/becoming a quieter version of Russel Brand / Lao-tzu wannabe. I'm not yet this perfect ideal concocted in my alchemy of hypothetical possibilities, so I'm not yet ready to march down the path of my shadow. It doesn't seem apropos, and I'm quite the specialist.
/r/TheRedPill03/04/16 01:38 PM
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You're welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 08:06 AM
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I'm Purple pill but I lean heavily red. The answer: Yes and No. AWALT runs off the idea that women act with different incentives than men, and that during the courtship dance, a man should keep these inner incentives in mind. It's a praxeological tool. It's based on taking a priori assumptions and then performing deductive reasoning to determine likely or possible outcomes in the long-term. AWALT doesn't automatically mean that a woman will automatically cheat on her boring Beta bux with a charm…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 07:48 AM
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I really like an analysis of MBTI personality types, as an INFJ it cleared a great deal up for me and I'm still working on a path to effective RP-inspired sexual strategy. But I say this with all sincerity: your entire prescription for INTP is to NOT be an INTP. Most of the INTP strengths you label as weaknesses to be discarded, forgotten, and ejected from your personality. I mean, right out the gate you say -- Prescription: Force yourself to be more of a boring, ordinary man Surely, Mr. PUA_Wan…
/r/TheRedPill02/04/16 05:47 PM
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I couldn't agree more. One of the things that make me more Redpill is reading the Bluepill. Think about it and look at the social tactic of the entire Redpill reddit: it's ALL about shaming. They don't just denigrate women, they denigrate weak men, beta males, and sensitive souls. They mock boring married men, K-type STEM lords, and on and on. "If you are a beta, you are a fucking loser. 80% of men are betas, 80% of men are fucking losers. Don't be one. Man up," they say. Except here's the diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 09:29 AM
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Love this post. This is the direction we need to go to uncover the elusive synthesis between Redpill and Bluepull, between the misogyny and mockery.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 08:52 AM
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How can TRP members debate in PPD in good conscience when something like this has 225 upvotes and 254 comments in less than 8 hours? How do you defend your own subreddit when posts like this are on display for everyone to see? How do you justify such behavior? If this is one of those posts to 'troll' us blue-pillers, do you care at all about the TRP'ers who make take this seriously? Do you care about the harm you're causing?* I used to care. A lot. But then...well... The Price of Nice
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 12:32 AM
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All humans are like that? AHALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/16 12:07 AM
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This seems like a case of taking the "Redpill" metaphor too seriously. In this forum, the Blue Pill represents a more optimistic, idealized view of human nature/existence. Whereas Redpill exposes the "bitter truths" by combining evolutionary psychology, praxeological reasoning from a set of premises, unflattering heuristics, and a disdain for ideals. They chose the brand Redpill due to the feeling of bitter cynicism that erupts when one uncovers "The Truth." Again, do not look at the metaphors f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/16 11:55 PM
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Thank you! Well, self-blame is a tricky chimera of its own. There's "I made a mistake", which is helpful, as that leaves room for growth. It's behavioral. Then there's "I am the mistake" which cripples the psyche. It's fundamental. One induces guilt from action; the other, shame for existing. Reading Brene Brown really helped me escape self-shaming and all the many, debilitating anxieties.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/16 08:01 PM
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Have you ever left one women for another? Have you ever comfort or shit tested your girlfriend or wife? Have you ever felt upset at your SO because of a bad dream where they did something wrong? I've never had a girlfriend. Short-terms, yes. Long-terms, no. Such is the naivety of my relationship knowledge. I'm sure I'd need innumerable comfort tests, so if I choose carefully, she will too. We'll just comfort test and comfirm forever! Do you catch yourself being solipsistic at times? More often t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/16 06:15 PM
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Still incel-ish, but consider it voluntary due to the fact that I can very well change and get significant results between 6-12 months of commitment. As I was on the path, however, I lost the 'why' to bear any 'how' thanks to the Redpill. Thus, MGTOW. The Redpill significantly undermined my ambition to play the courtship game due to the less than flattering views about female incentives and motivations. Turns out I needed that female pedestalization to plow forward into weight-lifting regimes to…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 10:24 AM
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Great analysis! I read that in-general Republicans respect authoritarian rule more than moderates due to their overall respect for hierarchies, so it'll be interesting to see how much of his polarizing rhetoric Trump holds onto. Hillary (or Bernie) is far more likely to seem like the voice of reason when contrasted to Trump's bombasticity on-stage. Negs, insults, and condescending snark will probably just be seen as mean-spirited and cruel to moderates. I feel the Democrats could beat him there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/16 09:50 AM
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BPer's hate categorization in general. It makes sense that they scream and fuss when you toss them into a category. They believe it undermines their love of individuality and differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/16 07:32 AM
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Charles Murray is "Bell Curve".
/r/TheRedPill24/03/16 11:35 PM
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Disgust for weak men isn't a social construct, it's ingrained. This too. There was no room for weakness when we were living in the cold wilderness hunting mammoths for food. This is ingrained into human DNA itself and a few thousand years of change isn't going to rewrite millions of years of biological imperative. The incredible survival and ecological dominance of the entire homo sapiens species proves that we're dealing with an exception to the evolutionary rule. It's nature via nurture, not n…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 10:50 AM
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Cynicism always wins, sooner or later.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 08:50 AM
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As usual, I love the honesty your posts, sleeping_willow. I imagine the purple pill being the future synthesis between BP idealism and RP pragmatism. Attempting this, let's try and take on a more holistic view I hope yields slightly more empathy by remembering that few RPillers started off as RPillers. Happy men successful with women don't generally write one-thousand word posts on gender politics, nor do they hate women. Far from it. RPers have a different origin story, one they must "wake up" …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 06:11 PM
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Ooo, I love going nerd on dating dynamics. I'm down. You may also include a natural upward positivity pressure (positive incentive) just from the sex drive alone (higher in males and less so in females, but present in both) - thus, even an omega may still find his or herself in a courtship dance with a man/woman defying their predicted anti-behavior from very low negativity scores. In English, every now and then people talk themselves into trying once again. But the plot thickens: a rejected SMV…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 01:53 PM
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Leadership of what? When? Under what conditions? Is she leading a bunch of Girl Scouts to maximize profit in cookie-selling ventures? Is she leading her Presbytarian church choir? Wait... is she the lead game designer for a programming team for a triple-AAA competitive E-sports title? Context disregarded without mercy, is leadership an attractive quality in general? Sure. Just like being nice, available and attentive to women is attractive to them. Women are not lying when they say they like the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 10:03 AM
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How do you shut off your empathy? Is it a conscious decision for you? Or can't you, either, and the redpill's a way of keeping people from getting too close? It's a conscious decision at first but can become second nature quite easily. Speculating, it takes multiple conscious reminders, painful interpersonal experiences, and a degree of feeling shamed and less than human to reduce empathy. I suspect the reason why the Redpill supports some brazenly bombastic position (e.g. women as the most resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 12:44 PM
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Could this be called self-acceptance game?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 12:13 PM
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I've never seen these non-misogynistic RP guys. Good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 12:44 PM
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I thought DGAF was about outcome independence i.e., you approach, but whether you win or lose doesn't matter. You're talking about stoicism and maintaining equanimity under pressure, being scared and being okay that you're scared and handling business. Both lead to the same outcome (approaching), but allow a broader range inner psychological work and temperaments. I'd file the OP's post as another strategy for dealing the approach anxiety: The outcome independent don't have approach anxiety, so …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 08:34 PM
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I think the post addressed this by emphasizing that in all likelihood, you will be more invested than she is, and that's okay. Posts like these ease the transition from beta dude to alpha bro, from that feeling too much anxiety and fearing that one's too invested, to that "less invested than her" frame and outcome independence. I personally found it rather inspiring, as it effectively reframes approach anxiety as a sign of strength instead of a sign of weakness, as a reason to approach instead o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 08:08 PM
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It's a paradox. Life's full of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 07:41 PM
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I agree. A rather terrible one though. I think a more updated, New Agey version might say "Accept yourself first," as it's the same thing, but slightly more nuance with a tiny bit of necessary inquiry into what it really means.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 12:01 AM
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Good question. But know that Red Pill seeks to optimize a man's ability to sleep with women by generating attraction. This is a very pragmatic goal, such that EVEN IF, say, it turned a man into an avoidant-dismissive with a cynical attitude towards intimacy and relationships, it wouldn't matter unless it harmed his ability to attract women. I'd argue that being an avoidant-dismissive with sociopathic tendencies does wonders for your sex life, and thus I'm not surprised to see threads promoting M…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 08:42 AM
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It's useless for logical debate, but not for playing a more...Machiavellian kind of game... "I love women, I just hate Women(TM). You know?" "I accept all the red pill facts, but not the 'Red Pill Facts (TM)." "I'm friends with a lot of blue pill people, just not with 'Blue Pill People (TM)'." And in debates I can cleverly conflate the two targets when convenient to test the ideologicals waters, for example: "I hate blue pill adherents. They never want to search for generalities EVER!" Let's say…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 10:10 AM
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Anecdotally, the one main difference between TRP and the other cult movements, drawing from the article, is that it didn't really confirm my moral code, or make me feel better. Hell, I actually hated the Red Pill for it's ability to fit the data my experiences. Redpill didn't solve my problems. It created more of them. It demands way too much upfront effort (go to the gym and lift!), they don't promise happiness in the long-run, and they demolish idealism in favor of pragmatic success. They cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 07:47 AM
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:(
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 05:38 AM
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1) M, Purple 2) Introvert's average; extrovert's lower than average 3) Introvert HSP ... so like, a super introvert! 4) Approximately two-thirds 5) Approximately 1/4. But being sexually attracted to non-relative attractive women close-by isn't a difficult hurdle for the male libido to climb, so I don't take it seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 05:37 AM
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Somehow, I've actually never considered a low maintenance partner. Red Pill has this way of making me see women as nothing but mercenary harlots demanding an entitled level of mating effort. Believing that, I found self-overcoming my sex drive more valuable and enlightening than seeking a plate to spin like some dancing zebra. I'll definitely keep my eyes and mind open.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 05:29 AM
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The decent one looks like an approachable, friendly dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 12:16 AM
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A lot of mind over matter combined with distracting substitute stimuli that strike my brain as more valuable than sex or intimacy. I also keep in mind that the same chemicals from intimacy can be reproduced elsewhere naturally. Back when I played videogames a lot, I wondered why I never cared one way or another about women until I stopped gaming and started living. But the second I "got a life" I got depressed. Damn it. Then I realized a lot of it has to do with flow states. This video on the ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 10:36 AM
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Voluntary celibate and loving it. I used to hate it when I sought a relationship for some elusive transcendent element filled with peak experiences and shared memories of unity, love, hope and growth. The Red Pill shot down those ideals with a 150 mm Flak Cannon. I've always been conscientious and productive, so now I love my work even more. I'm addicted to daily creative flow. Self-acceptance in the realm of the SMP and the less than admirable elements of female nature makes each day more pleas…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 01:02 AM
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Being extremely obese or even slightly overweight (most powerful) or having a more alpha/TRP significant other hanging around who spits out blue idealisms like a champ - both should ward off TRP minded people quite effectively. TRP philosophy attracts "we live in a dangerous world" right-wingers, so maybe converting to Islam could help. You really can't "scare them off" as long as women find confident, assertive, leader-like, fun, comical, "give no shits" attitude men attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 05:05 AM
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Those most motivated to fulfill their sexual needs (wants?) will most likely devour the Redpill material the most, go Monk Mode, and engage and actually stick to the self-improvement necessary to raise one's SMV, posting a successful field report when the time comes. On the opposite side of the same premises, I think the pro-celibate faction of MGTOW agree wholeheartedly: if a woman is little more than an advanced sex bot devoid of any subjectivity and incapable of change then what's the point o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:56 AM
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Not all men are like that! NAMALT!! Arm-chair speculating, men who like or prefer storylines, even of the implausible variety involve space knights or elven princesses, probably fall into the highly sensitive person category of men out there. I feel that the more idealistic the man, the higher the value of meaningful sex and a riveting yet racy story line adds that greater meaningfulness. Most men (80%?), however, need no such thing. Sex is sex and doesn't have to symbolize the unifying of two s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 09:54 PM
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I couldn't agree more. I imagine that more MGTOW would find themselves agreeing as well. 70% of my desire to chase women came from seeking a growing, romanticized relationship with a trusting partner through shared values and cooperative support. But Redpill logic and personal experience demolished those ideals like a sledgehammer to the glass Athena it was. This leaves 30% driven by a sexual desire that was never that high to begin with, a 30% that demands daily lifting, routine approaches, a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 10:44 AM
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Crap, I think you just committed an error of probability. If I flip a coin 5 times and it lands on heads 5 times in a row, does that mean it is no longer 50/50 heads and tails? If you take 5 men and all of are omegas who get 0 women, does that invalidate the Alpha Male Pareto Principle? To understand probability, you need a bigger sample size. We know that the coin flip will always be 50/50 and we don't say it isn't even if it lands heads 50 times in a row (improbable of course). Same thing with…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 08:16 PM
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Story of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 12:02 PM
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Justified? Yes, in the world of amoral pragmatic action, and if your goal is sex, then absolutely. Once you add any kind of moral considerations or ethical concerns, you're stepping into the world of idealism. You're sacrificing selfish gain for something higher like family, tribe, societal, god, Truth, Justice, and the American Way. But in this hypothetical, every man would be a psychopath, so the psychopath advantage would, lo and behold, lose to those a little less psychopathic and willing to…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 10:29 AM
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You can't usually tell that someone's "red pill" by some strict definition. Shades of grey abound. Instead, just look and see how many Dark Triad characteristics he displays in whatever proportions. A red-piller will look indistinguishable from a man with excellent social skills (Machiavellianism), very high confidence (narcissism), and fearless attitude (Psychopathy). He will be funny (Machiavellianism), won't put up with bullshit (narcissism), and will be outcome-independent (psychopathy). Or …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 11:21 AM
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Agreed. I think that anyone in a First World country railing against oppression as if they were in any equivalent to dealing with the "Butcher of Uganda" doesn't know what oppression is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 11:51 AM
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Playing Devil's advocate, one could argue that confusing paternity among many men would more garner resources from each of them, since none of them can be for sure that isn't their child walking around. She might even get protection from each using the same logic. Hell, she might even snag a more dedicated beta/omega provider to commit to her who'll be happy for any play coming his way, provided he get to add his kid to the bunch.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 10:00 AM
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Women are naturally more valuable than men by virtue of their ovaries. Depedestalizing them may very well require a number of put-downs directly proportional to how much success a man has with women. The more success and positive experiences a man has with women, the less he needs to put them down to keep his frontal-lobe running at top speed.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 03:27 AM
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Because it doesn't work for getting sex or an LTR with an SMV 5+ in her 20s. We assume a man who struggles with women lacks the necessary social skills where "just be yourself" becomes the worst advice ever dispensed in the history of the dating market. On the other hand, it actually serves as a clever friend-zone ploy and shaming tactic to keep beta males emasculated and feeling guilty. In that way, it's very helpful to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 03:22 AM
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Some of these guys were bitter losers before TRP and now all they are is in-shape bitter losers. Actually, that would make them in-shape, bitter winners. And spinning plates tend to heal any bitterness with a feeling of power and accomplishment. Who would've thought? Maybe that drives the motivation behind field reports. So as far as plotlines go that's a happy ending.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 12:38 AM
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Initial thoughts: After 100,000 subscribers and growing -- with members come from all walks of life, socioeconomic levels, races, creeds, religions, and more -- demanding that they mature misses the problem. The problem with Red Pill isn't its maturity, but its effectiveness. Telling men to lift, hold a dominant frame regardless of evidence, treat women like teenagers and embrace the Dark Triad -- the problem is that it works. Thus, pragmatically, it doesn't have to "grow up", it doesn't have to…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 01:31 AM
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INTJ. 90% Red pill. 10% Purple to keep my mind stays open for possible mind-changing data.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/15 10:19 AM
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No, that's the product of logical thinking and it's inherent demand for internal consistency.
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