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No, men value slut and non-sluts more or less equally. Men are challenged to meet the dual needs of fulfilling sexual desire and acquiring status via a trophy mate. The following is a response to a claim that female chasteness is biological set and evolved out of necessity based on the "expensive egg" problem. Here I explain that men are more attracted to sluts but are challenged by society to choose a mate who is regarded by society as "high value" in order to gain high value himself. "Sperm is…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 01:03 AM
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Hmmm N count?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 08:26 PM
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Omg, I'm so pleased I could kiss you. Of course that is totally dependent on your N count, IQ, height, looksmatch, and whether you're house broken. Also, SoH, ability to to fold origami with your tongue etc
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 08:09 PM
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I don't know which day it started...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 08:00 PM
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It’s more about the man caring about himself rather than the offspring. Yes, clearly. The problem is still that it isn't scientifically sound. It's a behaviour choice not a valid reproductive strategy for spreading your genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 04:17 PM
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Also, those so called research articles actually condemn high N count men as much as high N count women so if it's true that biologically men care about N count for paternity reasons then he's bound by the same strictures.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 04:12 PM
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Well, you don't have to care about your kids, that's your choice but you can't rationalise it. It's illogical to claim to care about YOUR kids whilst not caring for YOUR kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 04:10 PM
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That makes no biological sense at all. The whole reason paternity is supposed to matter is to ensure your resources go to YOUR kids but if they're out there with whomever then you aren't providing resources for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 04:05 PM
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It’s about paternal certainty. So, men care about NOT raising someone else's kid but don't care about other men raising their kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 04:01 PM
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And sexually liberated... What does that tell you? If you want more sex be more open minded.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 03:35 PM
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That's because guys are trying to balance up their biological desire for a horny girl with the socially pleasing acquisition of a high status female.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 03:31 PM
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Men release vasopressin as well as oxytocin. Both are 'reward' chemicals. Men are more chemically rewarded by sex than women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 03:27 PM
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Agreed...until you give it away
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 03:16 PM
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When you have a vagina and a uterus you can do what you want with it, ok? You can cram it full of poptarts, rent it out, play Marco polo with a midget for all I care.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 03:08 PM
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When will it be over? I've locked the doors, nailed the windows shut but the fuckers are still coming. I'm almost out of catfood... When will it be safe to come back out and play?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 03:07 PM
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It pretty much is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 03:04 PM
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Nice cockblock :)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 03:03 PM
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Why do women have to have abortions and adoptions as an option when men could just keep their pants zipped?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 02:40 PM
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Or... you could wrap your dick...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 01:53 PM
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Those tingles are her skin crawling. She's not interested in trying to fix what's fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 12:12 PM
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No, I mean there's always some excuse
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/20 10:25 PM
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She did, it was fucking awful, worst experience of her life hence she's learn hot guys are very very bad choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/20 10:23 PM
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Something tells me you'd get more of a kick out a that than I would.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/20 10:50 AM
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If the incel hand comes anywhere near me it'll be met with a throat punch.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/20 09:50 AM
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There's always something.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/20 09:46 AM
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I think she sounds pretty ugly tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 10:27 PM
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No, me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 10:22 PM
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I think the incels are raging because they cant get with their looks match or anyone for that matter. Fuck off mate. They can't get laid because they don't leave their mother's basement, because it's easier to rage at the world than it is to take responsibility for their bad attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 10:19 PM
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Yep. Because the men believe they are inherently unworthy their insecurity spikes when they actually have someone give them a chance. They basically destroy the very thing that proves the problem isn't their looks but their attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 10:15 PM
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I dated an "ugly" guy once. It wasn't his looks that put me off him. It was his constant whining, the endless cries for validation and affirmation, the crippling insecurity and his inability to enjoy what he had.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 10:07 PM
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The difference is simple. Ugly women can still have an active sex life Ugly men can too. They just have to be prepared to pay for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 10:04 PM
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I fucking wish it was easy to land with a girl who looks even worse than you as an average or below average male. I'm surprised by this. I would have thought that was relatively easy. Well, easier than getting a looksmatch or higher. My ex-husband was way above my grade so perhaps I'm biased.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 09:54 PM
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What data?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 09:50 PM
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I feel like because most guys are pathetically thirsty that average looking women have a super inflated view of their attractiveness. No, I don't think it works like that. Women know that men are easy but that doesn't inform them of their attractiveness. I think men and women are equally needy but express their needs differently as well as needed validation in different ways. This is why you'll see women badger their partners and Bfs for image approval. Women want to know they LOOK attractive (b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 09:49 PM
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I'm sorry you experienced an abusive relationship. It's never ok regardless of gender and I genuinely empathize with you for that. Now, I'm not sure if I've got this right (not long woken up, still haven't had sufficient caffeine to become fully human yet) but was the person you were in a relationship with ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 09:38 PM
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Popular crowds tends to be full of folks who've forgotten how to think for themselves. That's probably a less than generous or accurate generalisation but I'm gonna stick with it anyway. I agree with you regarding the marriage thing. I think women didn't always have the kind of upbringing that fostered self-reliance and independence. Those women need the social recognition of marriage for legitimacy more I think. If I had the opportunity of a 'do-over' my 2nd life would look very different. I wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 04:18 PM
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I read through your other comments as well as comments you've made on other posts. I just want to say that there's so much about you and how you approach things that I really admire. Thank you for your contributions on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 03:32 PM
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I really like this setup. If I had been able to choose how my divorce and subsequent custody arrangements went down I'd have loved it to be like this. How would you deal with splitting asset you'd both accrued during your relationship? How would you decide who gets what? I saw your other comments regarding your partner being retired (early) so am assuming you're both financially stable. What if, prior to divorce/separating you lost that financial security? The thing is, whilst your arrangement i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 01:46 PM
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"A lot of rationalization to say that you wanna create artificial harmful measures to prevent someone from acting out of his unadulterated will." So it's not ok to coerce someone into doing something they don't want to do? Because, you seem ok with it when it comes to things YOU want. I have taught women to enjoy anal and they weren't receptive at first. They liked it with time and patience. Again, I believe a woman who doesn't want to explore and get outside her comfort zone is not high quality…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 12:59 PM
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" Take notes boys ...They are smart " ​ Much better!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 12:34 PM
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The proposal, the engagement, the wedding, the honey moon, the public declaration of love and commitment, etc. - but it’s not a marriage under the law and has no legal ramifications should you “divorce”? I personally see no value in marriage. It offers nothing (I need) that I can't get from a committed relationship. These things: "proposal, the engagement, the wedding, the honey moon, the public declaration of love" are trinkets, nice to haves but have no real value. You don't need a certificate…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/20 12:29 PM
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"And that's easier when consent is not used as an excuse for it" I don't understand what you mean. Are you suggesting women shouldn't go out? Should they wear burkas? You can't expect women to have no freedom simply because women are easier to control than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 01:44 PM
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Yes. So deal with the men who are doing the objectifying instead of making women responsible for men's behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 01:38 PM
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But we aren't really talking about being slapped. You introduced it as a metaphor for being objectified and used by men for sex. This is where you have things backwards. If a woman chooses to dress sexy or chooses to have sex with some guy then that's fine, her choice. But if she is sexually assaulted or forced to have sex then the man who does that can be charged.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 01:34 PM
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What are you even talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 01:27 PM
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If she wants, yes. If she doesn't want to then those rules will ensure idiot trogs are dealt with
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 01:24 PM
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Even so, analysis is only as good as its data and you've been sloppy and biased.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 01:21 PM
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Nope, wrong again. It's to protect a woman's choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 01:21 PM
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Did they report back to you on their motivations? Did you personally supervise their MB testing to ensure they were actually INTJ females? Did you check for observer bias? Given your beliefs toward women you'll see exactly what you expect to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 01:17 PM
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"Sure, but that would mean recognizing that slapping is an issue regardless if the woman say she liiiiiiikes it." No it wouldn't. We have this thing called consent whereby 'slapping' is only bad when it's non-consensual. So, if she likes it then that's cool but if she doesn't and didn't want it then we can deal with the 'slapper'
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 01:14 PM
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Look at porn stars and you will know what men are really attracted to. First of all you will see a lot more variety and second of all the average BMI is a lot higher. Society didn't tell us jack shit. They can promote skinny ass women all day long and men will still stay attracted to what they are attracted to naturally. I agree with this. You misinterpreted what I was trying to say I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 01:10 PM
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If you want to make excuses so women can go out and be slapped, instead of wanting to keep women from being slapped, go ahead. Here's a thought. How about we deal with the idiots who do the slapping? Non sequitur Oh it follows just fine and you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 01:06 PM
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You're right. It's a sloppy comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 09:52 AM
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If a girl gets slapped, her motivation for getting slapped is irrelevant to the fact she got slapped. Firstly, this is so poorly framed it borders on illogical. If a woman wants to be slapped or enjoys being slapped then that absolutely is relevant if and when she does gets slapped. If she didn't like it or want it then she'll have the right to file charges against those who've slapped her. You're portraying women as a completely passive individuals whose only job is to roll out of the way of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 09:18 AM
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"I do it because I really love men and want to please them": Similar to above, in that the woman can't say no to seductive men, except that they do not have any regret about sleeping with them, and actively seek it out for the thrills. They could also, in theory, end up with a partner who keeps them at home, but tend to be more volatile in their relationships and go through men faster. (Predicted MBTI types: ENFJ, xNTJ, ENFP) "I do it because I actually like the sex": She actually likes the feel…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 08:47 AM
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That last bit about being biologically wired to be repulsed.. You know it's not true right?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 07:03 AM
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Body modifications, especially permanent ones, have more to do with tribalism than sexual attraction. I think tribalism and sexual attraction go hand in hand. Displays of allegiance and loyalty are just as prominent within mating as they are in the wider community. Marriage and monogamy are both displays that speak to mate investment. In cultures where female genital mutilation is practiced females feel ugly unless they are cut. Men reject uncut females and consider natural genitalia to be revol…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 06:15 AM
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I agree with this and it's an excellent analogy given this age of highly processed and nutritionally poor diet.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 05:04 AM
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The problem here is assuming that correlation equals causation and it doesn't. Take the tall man thing for example. You can do a study that shows most women date taller men but when you consider that men are on average taller than women then the odds from pure chance alone are that a women will end up with a mate who is taller than her. It doesn't men she specifically chose or didn't choose a taller man. The problem is that you can't tell from looking at someone whether they have detrimental gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 04:56 AM
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Your animal brain - The whole brain is an animal brain. And even if you're talking about primitive functioning it still does its thing as part of the whole. doesn't run calculations. - Yes it does, always. It is simlly programmed - by what? to respond - how? to certain markers of health. - Nope. If they were 'markers' they'd have to be coded for, as in, genetically yet to date no evidence has been found to connect facial symmetry, clear skin and wide hips with actual measurable health factors. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 04:43 AM
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And yet there's no correlation between people possessing such features and any evolutionary advantage. Edit: My response was sloppy and ultimately meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 04:28 AM
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health is a key component to attractiveness I'm not so sure about this. Having bad skin isn't genetically detrimental nor is having a large nose yet time and time again we hear people claim that beauty requires clear skin and a small nose. And, when have you ever heard someone state "OMG, look at that chick! She so fucking healthy!" There are certain ratios (hip to waist etc) we like more and symmetry is favoured but neither of these things infer health. Facial asymmetry can be linked to genetic…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 04:25 AM
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because you can't bypass the role of biology in all of this. You're assuming biology sets the value rather than providing the mechanism for determining value. Society determines what attractive looks like. In other cultures we see all sorts of variations on attractiveness with some reshaping their heads into a cone or elongating their necks with metal rings. Some even force-feed their female children because obesity is a marker for beauty in their culture. For beauty to have a biological basis i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 04:03 AM
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Well, that devolved quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 10:42 PM
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When women are locked away (literally or figuratively) men find alternatives, then in Athens and now in Afghanistan with the Bacha boys. It's a shame self-control was never up for consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 01:49 PM
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Dontcha just love it when sex and sin collide? Catholicism is full of religious eroticism with it's little boys in dresses and women on their knees in front of the Father, face tilted skyward, eyes pleading and mouth open as they partake of the flesh. Religious utterances are not their own. You couldn't script that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 12:37 PM
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Oh, you haven't seen the rules for women have you? Allow me. Rules for Women: Don't be too easy Don't be too choosy Don't be judgmental Be grateful Don't dress hot Always look attractive Cover your sexuality Don't be slutty Be slutty in the bedroom Be kind and friendly Don't be too friendly Have respect for yourself Don't expect to be respected ​ This is obviously sarc but you get my point. It doesn't matter what a woman does she'll incur the ire of some men somewhere always.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 06:36 AM
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Height was never a big deal to me. I'm 5 11 and ex husband was 5 9 so barely any difference. I think it's one of those thing where a very short guy would need a shit tonne of confidence to be able to work round societal attitudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 09:26 AM
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I try not to use emotive terms like "enslaved" because they don't reflect the complexity of our (then and current) nuanced culture. Here's what I think (for what it's worth). Because women carry the reproductive burden they had a fundamental vulnerability in that their ability to source food was limited by pregnancy and they were also less able to protect themselves against predators. It was common sense for the men to go off hunting whilst women cared for the babies. There's evidence that sugge…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 09:27 AM
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Yep. Now that's an evolutionary tactic. Women didn't have a lot of choice about who mated her. That was decided by competition which granted alphas breeding rights while beta males did a lot of the hard work. But women learned to find their own way to make this work for them and probably exchanged sex with betas for meat and other resources. It's also very likely that females actually fancied betas so would sneak off to copulate with one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 06:31 AM
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I don't know what AFBB is. When I say 'makes sense' I always mean scientifically. Yes, men had their cake and ate it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 06:20 AM
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In cavemen days they didn't understand paternity, like, at all. Also, there is zero evidence of infanticide which would show up in population genetics if it happened. If men cared about their offspring they wouldn't sow their seed far and wide. It makes no sense that a man would be worried about raising another man's kid whilst being happy for other men to raise his kid (if a woman other than his mate got pregnant)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 06:02 AM
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Yes it is. This is why we can confidently say that men favouring chaste women must have a reward that isn't biological. There are no outward signs of virginity and chastity so it would have been impossible for cavemen to have figured out which women had low n counts or not. And to be fair, they didn't care. It was always just about spreading their seed far and wide. This worked just fine when they lived in clans and shared responsibility for food sourcing and reproduction. Things changed when so…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:50 AM
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Hence you’re admitting that men have agency in their sexual selection, which overrides any point your study may have (I haven’t even read it. It’s now null, since you admitted men do have agency) You've misread my original point. I said sexual selection REQUIRES no agency, not that it isn't present at all. Many people believe that when science refers to "choosy females" that it means she is making conscious choices for one trait over another and that isn't true. Choice is a metaphor for the sele…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:32 AM
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Sexual selection can and does have agency. But that would require a more logical mind. Science says otherwise. Sexual selection requires no act of agency; if a female of a particular species only mates in a certain tree, then there will be selection against any male who is not also on the tree. It doesn't matter what mechanism resulted in him being the only male in the tree nor does it require any higher female cognition, any act of consent/submission/force or any other active mechanism of agenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:02 AM
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Given sexual selection requires no agency then any supposition of rationality is a moot point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:10 AM
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In times of stress people fall back on traditional beliefs. People often go do tasks that are familiar and comfortable when they have problems so women who are primary caregivers go clean something and men go to their shed and tinker. If a woman wasn't a mother or primary caregiver she'd do whatever task is most familiar to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 03:47 AM
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If 'tingles' was the single most compelling factor in sexual selection then men would be marrying sluts. Men are far more sexually attracted to promiscuous women than they are to chaste females. Want proof? Go look at porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 02:36 AM
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I love how they spin that little fact. It totally flies in the face of logic to think that women, who had no overt power and were reliant on men for meat would somehow be in a position to negotiate reproductive rights. Throughout history we see the opposite. We see harems and the control and ownership of women by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 01:53 AM
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Women's mating strategies/preferences are not selected for advanced societies. They select for muscles, broad shoulders, height, jawline - traits that were advantageous in ancient times rife with tribal warfare. They don't select for IQ which is necessary for advanced western civilizations and If majority of men truly become incel, society will crumble and devolve back to the days when the 80/20 rule was even more apparent 8000 years ago when 17 women reproduced for every 1 man ​ You're assuming…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 01:50 AM
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I didn't want links for obesity. I wanted links for all the other dumb shit you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 06:54 AM
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Gotta link for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 06:48 AM
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Got links for that "research"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 06:39 AM
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No. I agree with that. But indulging those behaviours and making someone else carry them is unfair. At the very least they need to be actively dealt with and openly discussed with any potential mate. I doubt very much I'll ever have another relationship and am ok with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 05:17 AM
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I'll let you in on a secret. I don't date not because I don't want to or haven't found a nice guy or whatever but because I can't bring my best self to a relationship. My marriage was a disaster and because of that and other things I'm ABFU. I have no business getting involved with another human being whilst I harbour such insecurities about my scars. We have a responsibility to not fuck up other people by expecting them to carry our shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 04:51 AM
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Very much so. Studies have shown men often think underweight models are more attractive than healthy weight models so we can chuck that one on the fashion pile too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 04:46 AM
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No, fixing one's self-esteem means he'll know that if things go wrong he can survive them, that he is smart enough to notice when things aren't right and will value himself enough to be his personal best, to bring his best self to the table. As much as the idea of controlling externals is attractive to the insecure person it often creates the very issues it seeks to avoid. Insecurity causes distorted perceptions, fear-based decision making and jealousy. These are far more likely to cause a divor…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 04:43 AM
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There is a trend in Japan where young women are getting their teeth deliberately made crooked because it is considered attractive. That kinda throws a spanner in the whole "genetic beauty" argument right? https://japantoday.com/category/features/lifestyle/why-japanese-women-go-for-fake-crooked-teeth
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 04:36 AM
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Yes, I already agreed that your opinion of what constitutes attractive is totally up to you. My point is, that it often indicates low self-esteem in a male and that it should be addressed first and foremost instead of expecting others to accommodate their fragility. What kind of husband and father is he going to be if he refuses to deal with his issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 04:31 AM
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The projection that chad and Stacey live perfect lives is just straight up false. I have cousins that are 8+/10s that are basically depressed because other romantic partners have burned them. And they still have the conflict of dealing with unwanted attention. Exactly. I think there are tradeoffs that happen when you're in the top tier of attractiveness. I think really attractive people tend to have a greater sense of entitlement, are less equipped to deal with rejection and lack a lot of the re…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 04:27 AM
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I'm not saying there isn't one - simply that there's no proof of one. Also, I think attractiveness is far more nuanced than people want to believe and studies certainly suggest this is so.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 04:22 AM
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So you think the correlation between infidelity and promiscuity is as coincidental as the correlation between that and a preference for margarine? No, I was being a smartass. Of course there's a connection and a meaningful one but you're not asking the right questions. You're not asking WHY there's a correlation. The assumption is that if she's had a lot of sexual partners that it somehow infers a character defect but more often than not it relates to prior abuse. So why aren't men asking about …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 04:16 AM
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It’s up to a woman to determine that. To determine what? Whether the n count question is a problem? Sure but that wasn't my point. My point is that men need to be honest with themselves about their preferences. I see so many comments where men go on and on about n counts, about girls being sluts, how disgusting they are etc because of their n count. The truth is men who prefer low n count women are often highly insecure, more controlling and have a greater need for emotional and social validatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 04:09 AM
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So my dating taller men argument you could say is a straw man Now, you have my respect. The ability to honestly approach your own beliefs is commendable. Looks will give you more social opportunities Yes, agree 100% Any form of determinism is the realm of sex and dating is a sign of willful ignorance. There are many influences, many factors that come together to make the reproductive/mating scene what it is. Personally, I'd be reluctant to date a hot guy. Average is best IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 04:01 AM
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I'm not upset by it. I think it's fantastic that guys are revealing their deficits up front. I have no problem with men wanting a specific quality in a woman however I do have a problem with men trying to justifying their choices by asserting that a woman's (but not a man's) n count is a risk factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 03:34 AM
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Perhaps guys could start questioning potential mates on their preferences for margarine since it correlates with divorce rates. I bet it's got something to do with being easy to spread. https://blogs.ams.org/blogonmathblogs/2017/04/10/divorce-and-margarine/
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 03:29 AM
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I don't despise them and there's good reason to suspect that someone who is interested in N count is likely to have a lower IQ and/or EQ. It could just be an innocent question posed by a partner that just wants to know more about you. lol, you're funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 03:26 AM
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that women want to date men taller than them Here's the thing. Biologically men are on average taller than women so preference or no preference the odds are a women will date a man taller than her. Secondly, society has set the precedence which then becomes a cultural norm. Women may choose taller men because that is what she sees happening around her. Is physicality a factor in attraction? Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 03:22 AM
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You need to understand the difference between preferences and genetic traits. Sexual selection is not the same as people consciously making mate choices. Sexual selection requires no agency, no choice, no active behavioural mode. The science of sex, attraction and reproduction is hugely complex and when I come across people who keep referring to anecdotal experiences as though they infer some truth then I'm reluctant to waste my time because it means they don't appreciate how the 200 or so cogni…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 03:13 AM
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"Please go to a college bar with some friends and observe... " I prefer actual science to anecdotal musing. "you didn’t scroll far enough if you stopped at speed dating" I generally find that if someone is going to misrepresent research in such a garish manner (as you did) then they're an unreliable source. I've read 100's of research papers on this and don't feel inclined to wade through your cherry picked links. But thanks anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 02:58 AM
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You said there was a genetic cap. Such a statement requires proof of a genetic link. For there to be a genetic link then looks must be sexually selected for and it isn't. There's no proof that good looks offers any evolutionary advantage. However, looks can offer and environmental advantage if a person falls within the current societal definition of attractive. Science has shown that we like symmetry, that certain ratios are more pleasant to look at but those factors don't show themselves in stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 02:08 AM
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everyone has a genetic cap in terms of their sexual attraction. Got research on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 01:49 AM
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I think focusing our efforts on children is hugely important. I'd like to see critical thinking taught in schools from first grade. In this information age it's vital kids learn how to think, not what to think. I agree that we need to have a broader perspective that doesn't frame life's ultimate goal in terms of progeny. We should do everything we can to support those that want kids but also make it clear that the end goal is to be productive contributing people. I don't think we need marriage f…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 01:27 AM
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Throw your best 'alternative' society at me and I'll respond to it in the morning (it's after 3 am here). I'm always keen to discuss with reasonable people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 03:51 PM
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I like you :)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 03:37 PM
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Where did I say everyone should find love? Perhaps you should go read the OPs other comments on this post. You might understand why I said what I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 03:11 PM
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But if you don't like yourself doing that then why do it? You seem smart enough to understand that there are other ways. I keep saying to myself "why would anyone corrupt themselves from the inside out to get laid?" but as soon as I do I get it. I do understand the challenges and pains that men go through. I understand the issues with current culture. But, I think men betray themselves so much. They sell off the best parts of themselves in order to build a fantasy world where they are Kings agai…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:33 PM
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There's nothing wrong with a person having mate preferences. They just need to own them and admit its a personal preference rather than trying to justify them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 01:50 PM
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I've never heard a woman claim to be attracted to deadbeat dads, ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 11:27 AM
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How? Its not like there's some scoreboard on his forehead.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 11:26 AM
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"a guy who potentially has kids everywhere is a very high value male" On what planet? I wouldn't consider a slutty male with no moral responsibility a catch in any way shape or form and I doubt you could find women who would think this is true. "For the average guy does not worry about kids everywhere because he hasnt fucked anyone in 15 months." He could still have kids around even if he's only fucked twice. My point is that men don't appear to be concerned about stray kids floating around.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 11:15 AM
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and the reverse is not true of women. I agree but it doesn't tell us why men tend to favour low N count women. If you consider our evolutionary footprint you'll find there's no evidence to support the idea that chaste mates offer any biological/evolutionary advantage. Most people never question why they believe what they believe. I remember my mum teaching me how to cook a leg of lamb. She said you're supposed to cut off the shank end so I did. A few years later I was wondering why so I asked he…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 11:09 AM
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"Because women get tingles for these men" Oh, and here I was thinking that feeling was my skin crawling.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 10:44 AM
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And yet you see the pattern holding true over and over. If it works it works, I wouldn't put up with it, but it's a tale as old as time It works because it exploits the contrast effect and effort justification bias. Inconsistent rewarding of behaviour increases the anticipation of reward. The same thing happens when women play hard to get. The problem is, people assume these behaviours have a biological basis, that they signify some deep evolutionary truth but they don't. They're simply 'stupid …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 10:42 AM
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However, the men with the higher counts will tend to be the ones most desirable Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 10:16 AM
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See, the thing about fantasy is that it doesn't work in reality and it's not supposed to. And, he is being the "monster" if he's deliberately manipulating her for his own benefit and to her detriment
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 10:07 AM
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I think people place a higher value on female chastity because it's ego stroking and validating to the male. Even the Romans figured out how to get around the 'who's your daddy' issue without demanding women be virgin's upon marriage. If the biggest fear is ensuring he only provides for kids that are truly his then why are men so reckless with their sperm? A guy could have kids all over the place that he's not contributing yet I never hear of guys worrying about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 10:05 AM
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I could consider that idea a possibility if men practiced what they preached. The promiscuity risks work for both genders so a male expecting a female to be chaste because he wants to reduce the chances of infidelity and or divorce becomes a moot point if he doesn't guard his own behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 09:18 AM
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alternately sickly-sweet and kinda a jerk to her, and flirt with waitresses. So your dating strategy is to psychologically induce a state of anxiety in order for her to experience relief when you're nice to her thus training her to become dependent on you to feel good?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 08:35 AM
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In short, I think the current state of dating is sad, cruel and shallow, and the idea that only the most shiniest people deserve love is a big reason behind it. What you're proposing is not a new system but a reevaluation of what "shiniest people" look like. And to that end, it does not resolve the underlying problem. You're working from assumptions: that all women want to be, and are happiest as, mothers ONLY, that only married mothers can be 'shiny'. that men are happiest when being judged by …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 06:15 AM
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The brain is still developing in the 18-24 year old. More specifically, the frontal cortex. The adolescent mind becomes highly influenced by peer pressure and actively seeks out and values novelty in an attempt to learn where boundaries are, what the consequences are and how to resist peer pressure in the future. If you get a person in this age range they are more open to novel experiences, less concerned with ambiguous boundaries; This makes them 'trainable'. Older (40+) men who target this age…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 11:41 PM
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And to be fair, I don't consider myself jaded. I don't think all men are arseholes, I don't think they're all out to use and abuse women or anything like that. It's simply that I don't see the benefits outweighing the costs. Batteries are cheaper.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 01:00 PM
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Yes, that's within healthy range.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 12:56 PM
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My rapist was my first. I was 17. When the church minister found out I wasn't "pure" anymore I was made to stand up in front of the entire congregation and "confess" my sin. To be fair, they didn't know I'd been raped but I couldn't see how it mattered. We were told, repeatedly, that no man wants second hand trash. It seems that god can do a lot of things but he can't unfuck you. Forgiven or not you can never be whole again. So, I had nothing of value. The only thing about me that was worth anyt…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 12:53 PM
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It is. Men are more open about their penis size, there's more acceptance of baldness etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 12:37 PM
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Yes. That's the down side of anything I suppose. But you say you work out so are you trying to be very thin? I'm not judging, simply asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 12:35 PM
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I think she's pretty hot personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 12:34 PM
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"And if someone shared the same values of sex in relation to intimacy" My low N count has nothing to do with valuing chaste behaviour. In fact, I believe much of the ritualised aspects of dating are nothing more than ego-stroking effort justifications that far exceed their biological underpinnings. It is ludicrous to me that such importance be placed on the number of people a person has fucked whilst showing no interest in how a potential mate treated ex-partners. Aside from that, I find the ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 12:32 PM
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No, society doesn't find fat women to be acceptable. The body positivism is a much needed push back as society had driven the ideal feminine into skeletal proportions. Often women are told that the need to lose weight is for health reasons yet no one questions the thin woman's health in the same way. It's also good to see this body positivism extending to men as they too have been negatively affected by aesthetic shaming. The idea is not to condone or applaud unhealthy weight but to recognise th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 11:53 AM
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No. I said I wouldn't date a guy who asked what my n count was.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 11:35 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 11:32 AM
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Hmmm. No. People exude their fundamental beliefs. They colour their word choices, their reactions, their choices and behaviour quite brilliantly. I've found that language is incredibly revealing - both in what people say and in what they don't say.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 10:25 AM
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It is an indicator of emotional and intellectual weakness and I don't want to sway your opinion at all. I think it's wonderful you guys are so willing to out yourselves this way. Smart women will know what to do with that :)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 09:35 AM
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I tend to not make recommendations to others about who they date or how best to choose a mate. IMO such thinking is simplistic. Do I think honesty is important? Sure. I think all people should be more honest - especially with themselves first and foremost.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 07:13 AM
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Subjective? N-count = 2 One was my husband, the other my rapist. I wouldn't date a guy who cared about n count because I consider it an appropriate indicator of weakness.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 06:44 AM
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If it's that much of a deal breaker for you, then your optimal strategy would be to tell every man you're seriously considering about your n-count and promiscuity so the men who care will show themselves out the door. Except I don't have a high N-count nor am I (or have I been) promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 06:08 AM
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You said they've fried all the circuits in their brain that bond them to men. The bonding mechanisms can't be "fried" or worn out either. If that could happen then having babies and breast feeding would also "fry" them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 05:07 AM
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And me. I'm not about to invest my time, energy, and genes in a low IQ mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 04:58 AM
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They have fried all the circuits in their brains that bond them to men and that’s what you can see when you look at them. Oh wow. This is so wrong. You're talking about that debunked oxytocin study aren't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 04:53 AM
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Blue pill infects the critical thinking capabilities of many men so no surprises there. Hahaha. This is hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 04:48 AM
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I love Salad Fingers, so weird and funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 04:46 AM
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I'd end a relationship if a guy asked about N-count.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 04:44 AM
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Effort justification is quite addictive. You want to conquer the reluctant female. The females want to conquer reluctant you. Magic happens when both have the same 'bar'.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 04:32 AM
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I've heard arguments that women are more expected to conform by society, and therefor are forced to learn to hide their differences - preventing diagnoses. It's more complex than that although there's some truth in it. I just don't think its bias as much as its the fact that the genes that are responsible for ASD do some things differently in women and men. The brain neuropeptide arginine vasopressin (AVP) exerts an important influence on social behavior, sexual motivation and pair bonding, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 03:47 AM
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This means that 25,000 women are sharing 10,000 men. No it doesn't. For that to be true the survey participants would have to be having sex with each other exclusively. Also consider that 9.1% of females identify as gay or bisexual whereas only 3.3% of males do. This means that females contribute to their own sexual frequency count up to 580 times more than males contribute to their count.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 05:32 AM
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The question is whether those connections are meaningful. Boomers might divorce more because they've been alive longer and perhaps they live longer because they choose margarine over butter. Or, perhaps they divorce more because they eat margarine. They eat margarine because it's cheaper. They value cheaper items and so argue more about money which results in more divorces. There are so many variables, so many possible paths that the connection is essentially meaningless if you're looking to det…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 02:17 AM
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I am not judging women' sexuality. I know you're not. It's nature Yes it's nature but it's only one miniscule aspect of nature and doesn't take into consideration all the other parts of the human. We have a frontal cortex that takes 25 years to fully develop. This is where our social learning takes places, this is where we learn appropriateness. Also, it doesn't consider cultural influences or learned behaviours. It doesn't consider that this behaviour could be a spandrel or phenotypic side effe…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 01:29 PM
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There is literally no causal connection.... none, zip, zilch, nada... Correlation literally means two points of data match up. It doesn't mean they are related in any way whatsoever. There's this thing called chance...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 01:17 PM
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I don't believe you have to be any of those things on your list to be sexually attractive to women. It's easy to give the appearance of strength whist actually being weak. When we indulge in self-serving exploitation we deprive ourselves of the reward of effort. It's the equivalent of refined sugar - all high, no substance. I don't miss dating or relationships. I don't crave human contact and am adept at meeting my own needs. I also accept I'm not the norm and am ABFU I'm glad you're finally fre…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 01:11 PM
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Pure science says rape is a surefire way to get laid. You want to believe that because every human being on earth is subject to effort justification that it somehow legitimises the abuse and exploitation of others. You want to pin women down to explain why they like having sex with arseholes so you can use their confession to justify your own failure to find a better way. Of course women don't want to admit it. Some women have orgasms during rape - there's your justification for rape - means the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 12:47 PM
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And this is why I don't date. I personally don't believe most guys are prepared to exploit and abuse others to get laid. Those that use it are lazy and shows a lack of intelligence IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 12:35 PM
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No, the study says that the rates of margarine consumption in a city correlates to the rates of divorce. Your comment kinda proves why it's dumb to think correlation is meaningful on its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 12:25 PM
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Well, I could just point out that women aren't responding to those traits specifically but rather are responding to effort justification (a phenomenon whereby people come to evaluate a particular task or activity more favorably when it involves something that is difficult or unpleasant). Or that people work harder for something and want something more when the expected reward is withheld.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 12:04 PM
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FYI You shouldn't care what others think of your mate preferences. At least you're not being a hypocrite. I personally wouldn't date anyone who'd fart in my face. Does that make me a shallow fart-shamer? Dunno and don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 11:24 AM
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they can repent in jail Dis you lie about not being religious too?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 11:14 AM
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"common sense inferences" - kinda dodgy given our 200 or so cognitive biases our brains use every day. It's fair to ask the question whether a correlation is meaningful but if you feel comforted by a correlation that fits your belief then your conclusions are gonna be flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 11:09 AM
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https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations Divorce rates correlate with margarine consumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 10:49 AM
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I'm a bit confused as to what your 'cmv' is about though. Are you asking how do we deal with this apparent paradox?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 10:01 AM
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This is a really good comment. I think there are good grounds to assume plenty of women might fall into the 'trait blindness' category. It's when you start discussing why that might be the case that things get messy fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 08:47 AM
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As soon as I saw I knew the topic would be derailed to "let's argue that all women are turned on by serial killers". And since y'all got roped in (including the OP), now we have something much easier to invalidate. This exactly! This topic is interesting to me but I'm reluctant to debate it because it seems as though there is no real intent to debate. When debating, I generally put a lot of effort into my responses and try my best to adhere to basic rules of debate etiquette. But it's a wasted e…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 08:30 AM
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The problem with this kind of correlation is that it is so one dimensional. Perhaps we are biologically programmed to respond to signals that indicate fitness but that doesn't mean the signals are static or that they'll result in an evolutionary win. Humans have a unique problem in that our immediate environment is changing faster than our biology. Being strong meant life or death, food or starvation so was an ideal trait It doesn't anymore and society is shifting its preference. Time to learn t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 07:21 AM
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Thank you for this. I shall inform my vagina that it's wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 07:09 AM
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Thanks for that link to studies. Really interesting reading. I have a question, though. The research provided shows strong links between promiscuity and infidelity but this also applies to males, right? I haven't seen anything in that research (so far) that suggests chastity is appropriate for women but not men. In fact, every associated risk pointed out by those studies suggests the same applies for males.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 04:07 AM
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