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Answer the question - who diagnosed you as autistic?
/r/seduction12/12/16 03:56 PM
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Buddy, I work in tech, I'm familiar with the spectrum. I'm also willing to guess you're self-diagnosed. Enjoy being you.
/r/seduction11/12/16 10:38 PM
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Who says you cannot? You do.
/r/seduction01/12/16 08:22 PM
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My mom always said take Lit classes. But seriously, your problem seems to be here . . . " I never manage to ask them on a date or anything like that" Escalalte. If you've had over 3 back and forth responses, just say "let's grab a drink/coffee". She'll either say yes or no. If yes, great. If no, great as well - you're not wasting anymore time and can move on to someone who will say yes.
/r/seduction30/11/16 06:32 AM
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Well, you're just full of excuses. Listen to them. Change nothing. And nothing will change.
/r/seduction30/11/16 06:20 AM
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With a bassoon, obv
/r/seduction30/11/16 04:28 AM
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For exercise, getting a routine really makes the difference. Be consistent, it's a question of priorities. And improving yourself needs to be up there. Also, found for myself at least a PPL split made me more consistent than day on day off routines. When you do something everyday, it becomes easier to form a habit.
/r/seduction30/11/16 04:28 AM
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People's actions are much more important than their words. Do you see people pulling back or avoiding talking to you?
/r/seduction30/11/16 04:26 AM
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Had it rarely happen over many years - usually I found out later I was talking to a friend of theirs or something. And like I said, it's very rare - much better to learn to lead the interaction, as that's how it's going to go 99% of the time.
/r/seduction30/11/16 02:55 AM
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A woman saying "I want to take you home" or "come talk to me"? Happens infrequently, but it does happen.
/r/seduction30/11/16 02:16 AM
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Just on. . . ."It's not fair for me to treat a public space as an environment to talk to women who probably don't want to be bothered". Personally, I don't like approaching on the street or public transit - live in NYC, so I feel that's annoying, like tapping on car windows in another town. That's how we get around here. But anywhere else? No problem. A bar, especially - people go to bars to meet people. Furthermore what bothers women ISN'T a person who tries to start a conversation - it's the g…
/r/seduction30/11/16 02:15 AM
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Bars. That's why people go and pay 500% markup on booze.
/r/seduction27/11/16 07:16 AM
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If you're doing kino, it should be escalating. If she has to leave, and it's obviously because of logistics instead of her wanting to be done, just say "hey give me your number".
/r/seduction27/11/16 06:12 AM
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Which is the reason men usually have to lead interactions. If a woman is leading, go with it. Realize she likely won't be a pushover on other matters though, so ensure your intentions align.
/r/seduction27/11/16 06:07 AM
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Start with light kino. If that works, escalate. If not, stop.
/r/seduction27/11/16 06:03 AM
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Just roll with it. It doesn't matter WHAT you say, it's WHY you say it.
/r/seduction27/11/16 06:00 AM
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The way to play it cool is not have a crush, and to keep lots of options. Remember though that bold is always better than cool.
/r/seduction27/11/16 05:59 AM
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Text her when you have a plan you want her to join on. If she doesn't get back, she's done.
/r/seduction27/11/16 05:57 AM
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When it comes to that, actions matter. Especially given slut-shaming, girls are conditioned that they should be seeking a relationship even if they're not. It's the other side of the belief that a guy is trying to fuck every girl around him. Take her out for drinks, try to escalate, see how it goes. If it doesn't, thank her and bail. It's always good to be clear about intentions - you don't want to waste time with someone who is clearly looking for something else, and lying is what does make you…
/r/seduction27/11/16 05:56 AM
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Skinny is better than fat, but fit is best. Everyone wants everything - yelling about American women is usually a sign you're looking to blame others. As for body language, it's amazing what a few hours practicing in a mirror can do for you. Don't act unshy, BECOME unshy.
/r/seduction27/11/16 05:51 AM
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You have a chance, to get out of your comfort zone and be accessible. YOU chose not to, yet seem to put the blame on girls for not doing the work for you.
/r/seduction27/11/16 05:49 AM
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Hey, could be worse - took me till my thirties to learn this, until then it was shoot once, get shot down 9 times. But saw the same dramatic jump in results as well.
/r/seduction27/11/16 03:57 AM
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Are you expressing this? I've got the opposite problem - I'm avoiding relationships for a year. I'm usually quite direct about that though - and while it's lead to a few instances of women deciding not to sleep with me, mostly hasn't been a problem.
/r/seduction27/11/16 03:50 AM
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Most of these items in the article have nothing to do with playboys or 'power over women', much more with typical male roles.
/r/seduction27/11/16 03:45 AM
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"that's every guys goal" - plenty of girls want this as well. Hell, she probably does, but is scared of being labeled a slut. This is how the commodity model of sex fucks guys, btw.
/r/seduction27/11/16 03:43 AM
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Well, the possible things are she likes you but has problems, or she doesn't like you and is doing it for the attention. Or you're misinterpreting. Any of those ways, sounds like the best move it to move on. Your time can be spent better.
/r/seduction27/11/16 03:32 AM
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You can show someone you like them - but be ready to move on if it's not received well. That's what I mean by investment.
/r/seduction27/11/16 01:43 AM
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I didn't say physical. Game is creating attraction with people who are on the fence.
/r/seduction27/11/16 01:41 AM
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You learn that through experience - basically, she'll pull away if she doesn't want you touching her. Go slow, but forward, if that makes sense, until she pulls.
/r/seduction26/11/16 11:35 PM
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The friendzone doesn't exist, actually. It's just a term for guys trying to buy sex by not making a move.
/r/seduction26/11/16 11:34 PM
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Dear god, no. It's just blaming women for problems that only you have control over.
/r/seduction26/11/16 11:32 PM
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You're hanging out with the wrong girls then.
/r/seduction26/11/16 11:31 PM
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Once is whatever, twice is a pattern, three times is definitely a message.
/r/seduction26/11/16 11:30 PM
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No problem, and welcome back! Remember, even the worst day single is better than one is a bad relationship.
/r/seduction26/11/16 11:29 PM
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To continue your analogy, you just started at the boxing gym and you're expecting to box heavyweight champs. Sparring partners are fine.
/r/seduction26/11/16 11:28 PM
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Most women have had a negative experience with a man before - at the least to where things got very awkward at a refusal. Is it surprising that a woman, who is smaller physically, would want to briefly vette a stranger before going somewhere she doesn't know or have any expectation of safety with?
/r/seduction26/11/16 11:27 PM
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Except 99% of rejections are not due to the reason that you're associating them with . . . . She's busy She's not dating this month She's going through a breakup, or just did There's 100s of reasons, very few of which are "well, obviously, his father was right that he'll never amount to shit", or whatever your actual fear is. Rejection is GOOD. Rejection saves time between incompatible people. Stop feeing your fear by altering reality to fit it.
/r/seduction26/11/16 11:22 PM
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Thanks, but I'm good. Why is that hard? You don't owe her friendship, if you don't want to, she doesn't owe you sex. You're both grownups.
/r/seduction26/11/16 11:18 PM
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This. If you're ACTUALLY willing to be a friend (i.e. not trying to nice guy into her panties), female friends are great for dating. Best phrasing I ever heard is "serial killers don't have female friends. You're now ahead of 90% of guys who she doesn't know this about".
/r/seduction26/11/16 11:17 PM
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This. It's not that women prefer assholes - but they really don't like needy and clingy. Not giving a shit avoids that.
/r/seduction26/11/16 11:14 PM
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Disagree. Not texting after a meet is "I'm so needy I play games to avoid rejection. Obviously I get rejected for good reason". You asked for her number. Obviously, you're interested in talking to her. "Hi, this is X, glad to have met you" is fine, and shows you're not scared to own your attraction. It doesn't mean it's just for her, of course. Now, that said, texting lots is different.
/r/seduction26/11/16 11:12 PM
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I'd recommend Models - the difference between vulnerable and needy is key. Here's the thing, is it sounds like you're not being honest. 'What you feel' isn't in line with your desires.
/r/seduction26/11/16 11:09 PM
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You need to get an abundance mentality - right now you are not going for girls, or going for girls who aren't available. You need to be saying "next" as quickly as possible, to find the girls who ARE available.
/r/seduction26/11/16 11:03 PM
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This. You're focused on winning over a guy who treats you badly - and you've proven to him he can. Don't do that, and don't try and fix this. Instead focus on making yourself better, and getting someone(s) better.
/r/seduction26/11/16 10:57 PM
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Be attractive.
/r/seduction26/11/16 10:55 PM
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You're 15. So either school, or start making friends and going to parties.
/r/seduction26/11/16 10:55 PM
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Just did something similar this year . . . basically if I get 3 back and forths, especially if she's not delaying responses, I ask if she wants to get a drink (coffee if you don't drink). Most say yeah, some drop off at that point. That's good, you want to filter out people not willing to meet quickly. After that, make sure to suggest a place to go. Women mostly hate making plans, and guys who can't are a turn off. Most online first dates should be 2 hours or less - basically, you're doing a mee…
/r/seduction26/11/16 10:52 PM
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You go date other girls as well?
/r/seduction26/11/16 10:50 PM
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Online dating - first meeting is date 0, not date 1. It's to check out "you're not a serial killer". And yeah, she'll want to meet in public and not be trapped. Insisting on NOT giving her that option is a pretty big red flag.
/r/seduction26/11/16 10:49 PM
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Like Models says - performance is needy. And PUA is learning how to perform like an attractive person. Most things labeled as PUA are a mechanism to try and avoid rejection. This is needy. Instead, spend the time on self-improvement.
/r/seduction26/11/16 07:52 PM
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Get better looking. Hit the gym and lose bf till you're about 8%, it WILL make your face more attractive. Pay the money for decent pictures if need be.
/r/seduction26/11/16 07:37 PM
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"The one's that I'm so-so about practically beg for second dates." - that's abundance mentality. You're likely being needy for the others, because you want them more. Decrease your investment.
/r/seduction26/11/16 07:33 PM
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Live in NYC - like another poster said, it's insanely easy to get laid here. There are more women than men, there are far less conservative values, etc. That said, approaching on the street or on the subway is a much worse idea than elsewhere. People here hustle and have little time, so if they're on the street they're likely GOING somewhere - and they've probably been catcalled that week. It's the equivalent of trying to pick up a girl while she's driving in rush hour . . . not the best idea. Y…
/r/seduction08/11/16 10:14 PM
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Second this - bars charge a 500% markup precisely because they offer an easy social life. As for not using dating apps, that seems just stupid in 2016.
/r/seduction08/11/16 10:10 PM
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Ah your post didn't mention her spending the night when I responded? The whys of flaking don't really matter - it could be a thousand reasons, from a dead pet to an ex to deciding she didn't like you, etc. How many times has she flaked on you? If it's three or more, just move on.
/r/seduction08/11/16 10:08 PM
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If you have to ask. . . . but yeah, sounds like she liked you, you didn't escalate, and the window closed. Pull the trigger next time.
/r/seduction08/11/16 03:48 PM
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Stop watching TV and playing games - if you have such little time, you need to prioritize.
/r/seduction08/11/16 03:47 PM
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Propose specific plans. You did the first time, not the second. By not doing so, and requiring her to get back, you're basically saying "call me back and ask me out". And girls, especially girls with options, do not like to do this - did you think approach anxiety only works one way? Culturally though guys are taught they'll need to do so eventually, while girls are mostly discouraged from it. Once could be anything, twice is a pattern, third time is for sure the no. Wondering why is a waste of …
/r/seduction08/11/16 06:40 AM
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Women rarely want to lead interactions. Whether it's innate, societal, or other doesn't really matter . . . . if you don't initiate you're going to have few dating opportunities with all the attendant problems that brings.
/r/seduction08/11/16 05:34 AM
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Avoid "cool". It doesn't actually allow the conversation to progress. Notice you're only asking her questions, and then approving her responses? 'What do you think of this mall?' 'It's good' 'Yeah - I prefer the one downtown . . . it's not as nice, but it's got character. I used to go there as a kid and steal candy. Were you a bad kid as well?' etc, etc. You're trying to get a flow of conversation, and share both of you, not hide behind the words.
/r/seduction08/11/16 04:11 AM
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Habit, and abundance mentality. Look at what you said - the more you like a guy, the more problems you have You are highly invested, and thus scared of losing what seems to be a rare opportunity. It is not rare. In fact, your goal is to quickly see whether things are on between you two as quickly as possible, so that if they are NOT you don't waste your time. You want that so you can move to the next person in that case, because dating opportunities are abundant. The habit is just doing kino and…
/r/seduction08/11/16 04:06 AM
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No, you want to imply something happened, but that it's not something you discuss. Think about what going into detail says to a girl - "this guy publishes the sexual histories of girls he's slept with. If I sleep with him, I'm probably next". And given the amount of slut-shaming around, that's gonna kill you.
/r/seduction08/11/16 04:03 AM
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Do not do things because you want to run pickup. Do them because you want to be better with women. Are you seeing better results than before?
/r/seduction08/11/16 01:40 AM
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Rejection is polarization - you WANT to get to a point of fuck yes / no as quickly as possible. The quicker you do so, the less time you'll waste on dead ends. So rejection is a favor - no is much better than maybe.
/r/seduction08/11/16 01:33 AM
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Go dance. Go talk to new people. Sounds like you don't have a basic social life together yet - until you get that getting girls is going to be hard. I'd fix that first.
/r/seduction08/11/16 01:31 AM
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BUT WE WERE PROMISED A PRINCESS IN THE CASTLE!!!! Everybody thinks they're the hero of a story. Being actually self-aware is realizing you might not be.
/r/seduction07/11/16 04:54 PM
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Eye contact Conversation skills Gym - being low BF% will make you attractive. Being attractive makes everything much easier.
/r/seduction06/11/16 09:35 PM
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She's not attracted to you. Move on. Keep her as a friend if you enjoy her company. Girl friends are one of the best proofs of value you can have - or as someone else put it once "serial killers do not have female friends". But give up any expectation of sleeping with this girl.
/r/seduction06/11/16 09:33 PM
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Creepy generally isn't in asking, it's in refusing to hear no. You can defuse some of this in this situation with "I know this seems odd" or other things - signal that you're aware of the social norms you're slightly crossing. Her main worry is gonna be "is this fucker stalking me?", showing you're aware of social norms eases that worry.
/r/seduction06/11/16 08:37 PM
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Why would you want to do this? They're the most unstable, most flaky and most aggravating ones.
/r/seduction06/11/16 08:35 PM
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She's making her expectations clear - she wants a relationship. If you don't, for very valid reasons it sounds like, you need to be honest and take the possible fallout. It's not the desire that hurts people, it's the lies. And if you stay in a relationship that's not happy because of misaligned goals, it will just eventually poison the both of you, along with wasting both your time. How quickly she slept with you means nothing - she liked you. I've taken a girl home from making out in a bathroo…
/r/seduction06/11/16 08:33 PM
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Texts are to set up meetings. If you want a penpal (and there are benefits to that), great. If you want to date her, you need to escalate to hanging out.
/r/seduction06/11/16 08:21 PM
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Once could be anything. Twice is a pattern. Third is a message. If she wanted you to kiss her, she would have. Since you tried to kiss her on the first date, she obviously knows you're interested.
/r/seduction06/11/16 08:19 PM
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One of the great things about not being in a relationship is it forces you to sink or swim. Sounds like you've decided to swim. Part of the reason pickup has a bad reputation is because lots of people are trying to fake being an attractive person. Take the effort, and actually become that attractive person instead.
/r/seduction06/11/16 08:18 PM
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These problems are always going to be larger in a small town because you don't have either as many options or the shithead filtration system that larger cities (and their higher cost of living) provide. Do you have to stay in this town? Part of the reason I do live in a large city myself is that I value my social life highly.
/r/seduction06/11/16 05:18 PM
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You ask her if she wants to meet for a drink, and suggest a place walking distance from your house. Go for a drink, continue escalation while talking. If you're getting signals, you can go to her place or yours. How old are you, btw?
/r/seduction06/11/16 05:13 PM
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This. While you don't want to interrogate people, do find out about them. Would you be able to write a character study of them after an hour? Some of the best conversation, especially with strangers, is a question and answer, then a reaction. "Do you like dogs?" "I do like dogs. I grew up with a bunch" "I did as well - they're so loyal that it makes you behave better as a person", etc There's a good discussion of jumping points in Models - basically anything mentioned in their answer can move th…
/r/seduction03/11/16 10:45 PM
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It would lead to a radio silence with many girls. He's willing to try and sift through the rejections to get the ones that don't though.
/r/seduction03/11/16 08:13 PM
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I don't remember asking for it. Are you always this pushy with guys?
/r/seduction02/11/16 08:48 PM
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Smooth is often the enemy of action - learn to do without it IMHO.
/r/seduction02/11/16 08:31 PM
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See how you're talking to me now?
/r/seduction02/11/16 08:30 PM
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If she wanted to just fuck you she wouldn't have asked for the threesome.
/r/seduction02/11/16 03:35 PM
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Chicks with dicks
/r/seduction02/11/16 03:33 PM
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Right. And no other woman on earth fits that criteria?
/r/seduction02/11/16 03:23 PM
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She's engaged, so unlikely. Plus it's obvious by the fact you're pursuing a woman in a relationship, who you have a history with, that this is about more than just casual sex.
/r/seduction02/11/16 02:16 PM
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Then don't go to dinner - or go to a place with a window bar where you sit next to each other.
/r/seduction02/11/16 02:03 PM
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Do you pick up an instrument and expect to shred immediately? Success comes from trying, trying includes rejections. If you focus on not being rejected, you're not going to find success.
/r/seduction02/11/16 01:48 PM
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It's atypical, but in a good way. So not weird.
/r/seduction02/11/16 01:31 PM
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The better question is "how can I meet girls like her and get their numbers?". It is a numbers game, so focusing on this specific girl is a really bad strategy - hell, you don't even know if she's single or not. As for how to talk to her "hey, I see you walk by every day. What class do you have?" "Hey, I wanted to meet you" "Hi, did you know that Australia isn't really a continent?". It's not what you say, it's WHY you say it. Your intentions matter.
/r/seduction02/11/16 06:51 AM
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Go. Talk. To. Women. That Guy is the one who freaks out when he's turned down, or doesn't understand when a girl stops looking at him and looks around she's done talking to him. Don't overstay your welcome, and you're fine.
/r/seduction02/11/16 06:43 AM
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There's a big difference - do nothing, nothing good will happen. Do something, something good MIGHT happen. Seems better to shoot where you've at least got a chance, right? You cannot control someone else's feelings. You can control how you react to them.
/r/seduction02/11/16 06:36 AM
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"That's fine"
/r/seduction02/11/16 05:54 AM
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19 is very unlikely, at least in the US, since you can't get into bars. Dick is cheap - you need to have looks, charm, or something else.
/r/seduction02/11/16 05:53 AM
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39 here. Gym and wardrobe matter more for us, but there's a great advantage to not being young dumb and poor.
/r/seduction02/11/16 05:51 AM
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This. Kino uncovers attraction, it doesn't make it appear if it's not there. If a woman isn't attracted to you, she'll leave after a certain point in escalation when it becomes more than friends. This is a good thing, and exactly why you escalate to screen out women that aren't attracted to you.
/r/seduction02/11/16 05:46 AM
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You're approaching for validation of your own self-esteem then. Decide which matters more to you - being successful with women or appearing to be successful for social status.
/r/seduction02/11/16 05:40 AM
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Actions have consequences, good and bad. The question is do you like how things are at present? Doing nothing ensures this will be the best things can be.
/r/seduction02/11/16 05:33 AM
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It's not that you shouldn't show neediness - you should not be needy. Just ripping off Models - but being scared to be vulnerable by showing your interest is extremely needy.
/r/seduction02/11/16 05:25 AM
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You need to escalate. Hug when introducing. Touch her shoulder when leaning in to talk if it's quiet, touch her arm or back while making a joke, etc. Also realize with online dates the first date is really the zeroth date - it's pretty much the meet to see if a first date is going to work. It can be helpful to give it a quick time bracket of 2 hours or less.
/r/seduction02/11/16 05:21 AM
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Part of that is not freaking out if a woman isn't interested in you, of course. One of the reasons that neediness is sexually unattractive in both men and women is that it implies the person is likely to freak out if things don't go their way, the relationship ends, etc. Add in the physical difference between men and women, and you have one reason girls like guys with confidence. Confident guys don't stalk and kill women.
/r/seduction02/11/16 02:28 AM
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Sure, each person is different - myself I realized I'm great at talking to strangers, shy about physical contact. So it's something I actively work at now when I'm talking to someone I'm interested in. One great thing about NoFap is it forces you to confront these things - since you've dried up the false dopamine cycle, you have no other options.
/r/seduction01/11/16 10:53 PM
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Your friends aren't trying to get you laid, you are. So fuck their opinion. Holding hands is fine. Just remember that kino escalates, and don't leave it there.
/r/seduction31/10/16 05:13 AM
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Improving yourself is not needy, that's investing in yourself. Trying to reduce neediness is not what he's talking about, IMHO. Trying to present a FALSE front of non-neediness, when there is neediness, is needy. Performing as a person rather than becoming that person is needy.
/r/seduction31/10/16 04:59 AM
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Hmmm - how would you say you dress?
/r/seduction31/10/16 04:54 AM
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Work on being more aggressive/bold. The good news is it sounds like you'll have plenty of opportunities without having to hustle, etc. I've seen advice of 'go ask a bunch of women for the time/directions', etc. and that works well to desensitize approach anxiety.
/r/seduction31/10/16 04:52 AM
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Stop thinking. Go over and talk to her about literally anything. OK, not about how you dream of eating eyeballs, unless she's a surrealist painter. "Hi, we haven't met, I'm X". or "Some weather" Boring as fuck, right? But they're still infinitely better than staring at someone, not talking, obviously looking too weak to even talk, etc. Remember, it's rarely what you say, it's the why and how you say it. "I am a man, interested in you, but not needy" is what needs to come across.
/r/seduction31/10/16 04:49 AM
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I believe the other poster is referring to the commodity model of sex, the default in much of our culture. In this women want relationships, but not sex, and men the opposite. So women use men for relationships while men use women for sex. It's bullshit - as a women you're likely aware that women want sex as well. But plenty of people buy into it, which is why some women will insist on a relationship when they only want sex to avoid being a 'slut'. Question - if you are attracted to this guy, wh…
/r/seduction31/10/16 04:34 AM
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Second this - worked as a barista for a while, and every dopey guy customer there was trying to get with the girls I worked with. It didn't work - by annoying them at work you're showing that (a) you're too socially awkward to realize why that's not cool, and (b) you're apparently unable to get a woman to talk to you unless she's paid to. Neither of which is attractive.
/r/seduction04/10/16 06:36 AM
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No, it means look people in the eye and smile when you're talking to them. Lots of people don't, and it's very unattractive.
/r/seduction25/09/16 07:03 AM
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