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IntactivismpsychoIogic/r/MensRights07/04/19 05:51 PM
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IntactivismpsychoIogic/r/MensRights12/04/19 01:19 AM
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ProgresspsychoIogic/r/MensRights13/05/19 04:55 AM
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Social IssuespsychoIogic/r/MensRights19/05/19 01:19 AM
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ProgresspsychoIogic/r/MensRights25/04/19 05:26 PM
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GeneralpsychoIogic/r/MensRights12/05/19 08:58 AM
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Social IssuespsychoIogic/r/MensRights11/05/19 07:41 AM
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Marriage/ChildrenpsychoIogic/r/MensRights12/05/19 09:06 PM
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Frick. Maybe Twitch, some kind of group chat thing.
/r/MensRights19/05/19 11:26 AM
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Depends where you're at, I'm broke b 😂
/r/MensRights19/05/19 11:09 AM
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I don't see how it differs much. In the title I say that men and women both need to be accountable for how they treat each others. I say essentially the same thing in my post. I apologize for the confusion.
/r/MensRights19/05/19 01:31 AM
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No, you're just at fault for being a flawed human like everybody else. We're all flawed, that's what I'm saying.
/r/MensRights19/05/19 01:21 AM
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I'm feeling what you're saying. You're right, I'm pretty aggressive. Like what you were saying, I didn't feel like I have control when I was young so I just imposed control on others. It's hard for me to have accountability as well as take-chargeness for my own life, so I keep trying to improve. Here's one concern I have: how can we prevent reverse sexism happening if women do take accountability for their problems? How do we ensure that both genders take accountability for all these problems eq…
/r/MensRights19/05/19 12:41 AM
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Very interesting stuff here. This is poignant: It is reasonable to conclude that young women engaging in confrontational dialog trigger young men to respond with physical aggression. And also: In a study of teenagers, Hilton (2000) found that boys were more aggressive toward other boys than toward girls. In contrast, girls were more likely to be aggressive toward boys than toward other girls. This is what we should be focusing on. Do you know how feminists respond to this? Anyway, I really think…
/r/MensRights18/05/19 11:29 PM
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Right, I do know now that men and women hurt each other in different ways, and have been shown evidence to prove it. But this thread of comments originally started with a redditor's assertion that men employ physical abuse and women mental. That was debunked, because men and women employ both types at relatively equal rates. But my original question was answered: men and women will employ the same types of abuse but in different ways. Now we're digging into those different ways.
/r/MensRights18/05/19 09:11 PM
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Threats and extortion are mental abuse. Women are more likely than men to employ mental abuse. But men make threats and extort as well. They can threaten women with violence or taking away money/opportunities/resources, threatening to blackmail them or harm/steal from them in many ways. So the fact that abusive women can threaten to take custody of kids doesn't mean that women threaten more in general. We would need to know what kinds of threats men make, and weigh those different types of menta…
/r/MensRights18/05/19 08:58 PM
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Your question asks if we hurt each other in the same way. The answer is no. Oooooh good point. That ties back to my OP. So yes, there are some differences. But your assertion was that women are knowingly more abusive because of the unfairness of the system. Do you actually have a source to back that up? Because as you quoted here: Notice the sentence, "more likely to happen when a woman is abusing." Abusive women are more likely to use the system, but it doesn't mean women as a whole are more ab…
/r/MensRights18/05/19 07:43 PM
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In the same link you posted, Brown notes at the beginning that the ways men and women abuse are very similar. The fact that women have more of an ability to use the system to their advantage doesn't necessarily mean they are more likely to do it, and it doesn't mean they are more likely to commit mental abuse. The article seems to point out above everything else that the system is rigged in women's favor, but it doesn't say women are more abusive, as you said in your final sentence: women will k…
/r/MensRights18/05/19 07:23 PM
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Something interesting I noticed in the link is that it says men are more likely to cause more serious physical and psychological harm. This implies that men and women might be aggressive at similar rates, but women's abuse isn't as harmful, not even their mental abuse. It also states that women are more likely to be indirect about their aggression. That's doesn't necessarily mean they're more likely to commit mental abuse, just that their abuse isn't as directly aimed at the other person. I gues…
/r/MensRights18/05/19 07:13 PM
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This is the best encouragement I've ever gotten on reddit The real question is... what am I giving everything I've got
/r/MensRights18/05/19 06:00 AM
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Very interesting. I did notice that the study says men cause greater physical and psychological harm. Women have more indirect forms of aggression. This would suggest not that women run the domain of mental abuse, but that their mode of abuse is less direct, and their form of mental abuse is weaker than men's, which would refute your statement. I think there could be better studies out there, as you implied.
/r/MensRights18/05/19 03:52 AM
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Very interesting. I did notice that the study says men cause greater physical and psychological harm. Women have more indirect forms of aggression. This would suggest not that women run the domain of mental abuse, but that their mode of abuse is less direct, and their form of mental abuse is weaker than men's, which would refute your statement.
/r/MensRights18/05/19 03:51 AM
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Very interesting. I did notice that the study says men cause greater physical and psychological harm. Women have more indirect forms of aggression. This would suggest not that women run the domain of mental abuse, but that their mode of abuse is less direct, and their form of mental abuse is weaker than men's, which would refute your statement.
/r/MensRights18/05/19 03:51 AM
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Very interesting. I did notice that the study says men cause greater physical and psychological harm. Women have more indirect forms of aggression. This would suggest not that women run the domain of mental abuse, but that their mode of abuse is less direct, and their form of mental abuse is weaker than men's, which would refute your statement.
/r/MensRights18/05/19 03:51 AM
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Very interesting. I did notice that the study says men cause greater physical and psychological harm. Women have more indirect forms of aggression. This would suggest not that women run the domain of mental abuse, but that their mode of abuse is less direct, and their form of mental abuse is weaker than men's, which would refute your statement.
/r/MensRights18/05/19 03:51 AM
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Okay, do you have a study that says those hormones result in different types of abuses?
/r/MensRights18/05/19 01:00 AM
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Do you have evidence for this?
/r/MensRights18/05/19 12:46 AM
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Men can be mentally abusive too, towards women. And women can be physically abusive to men for that matter. Men and women both engage in all the types of abuse. Yes, mental abuse lasts a lifetime. Abuse in general has long-lasting effects.
/r/MensRights17/05/19 10:07 PM
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Thanks coach, I won't let you down
/r/MensRights17/05/19 10:01 PM
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And you thought I was the only one who made assumptions 😛
/r/MensRights17/05/19 08:04 PM
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Omg lol. Suit yourself.
/r/MensRights17/05/19 07:12 PM
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Let's hear it. What do you think my agenda is?
/r/MensRights17/05/19 07:08 PM
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To be totally real with you, it's funny that you seem to think of me as this evil witch trying to manipulate you and twist your brain into "getting what I want", as if there's some sweet nugget of wealth that I can steal from you that's gonna fuck up your whole life. Like... no. I'm just curious. I have nothing to gain except that it adds more context to why you have the opinions that you do and it makes conversations less robotic. You asked what I do for a living. That's the only thing that's r…
/r/MensRights17/05/19 06:41 PM
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Regardless of my reasons for not sharing with you, it is never appropriate to violate clearly stated boundaries. Do you agree? Yes. At the very least it is a horrible idea to give personal information to strangers online. This is what we teach children early on. I never asked for your SSN lmao. Nothing I inquired about was incriminating or could be used against you in any way. It was all relevant to the discussion, couldn't be traced back to your identity, nor would anyone care to. That's why I'…
/r/MensRights17/05/19 05:55 PM
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Sure. But I don't know why you are so afraid to talk about yourself. You act like I'm gonna take the information and blackmail you with it or something. I'm not the NSA.
/r/MensRights17/05/19 05:13 PM
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I'm so sorry that you are traumatized by a woman wanting to get to know you as a unique individual past the cold anonymity of reddit. You react as if I raped you. I can't begin to imagine what kind of life circumstances you've experienced which have led you to respond in this manner. Rest assured, you won't have to worry about my terrible behavior in the future. I apologize again. I wish you well.
/r/MensRights17/05/19 04:24 PM
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Men engage in mental abuse too though. This isn't unique to women.
/r/MensRights17/05/19 03:34 PM
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Men engage in mental abuse too though.
/r/MensRights17/05/19 03:33 PM
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Hmm... however you want to interpret it.
/r/MensRights17/05/19 03:32 AM
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Loaded question fallacy. Bye now.
/r/MensRights17/05/19 01:15 AM
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Did you know you are equating a harmless and sarcastic jab to abusive manipulation?
/r/MensRights17/05/19 01:03 AM
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There is literally nothing to apologize for holy shit.
/r/MensRights17/05/19 12:32 AM
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I'm wasting my time on a sexist snowflake. Bye.
/r/MensRights17/05/19 12:05 AM
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Nah... it's not fair that you didn't answer the question about how men hurt women. What's your introspective and honest answer to that? Then let's call it a day.
/r/MensRights16/05/19 09:57 PM
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I wish you a happy life and thanks for taking the time to chat with me. Bye.
/r/MensRights16/05/19 09:27 PM
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Why are you so uptight? Look, this is stupid as fuck. I'm not apologizing for inquiring about you out of curiosity and then you getting sensitive as all fuck about it. Probably just not gonna continue talking with you at this point. Plus you never answered the question of how men hurt women so I'm pretty done with this.
/r/MensRights16/05/19 08:58 PM
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Were you abused by your mom or some other woman in your life when you were growing up?
/r/MensRights16/05/19 08:24 PM
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Yes dad.
/r/MensRights16/05/19 06:39 PM
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Being kind to people doesn't mean we have to be boring and robotic, does it? I like to poke fun at people, it's my style. Right now you just sound like a hall monitor explaining my citation. Are you seriously this offended, or are you just afraid of shedding the anti-woman front you're putting up and showing me your true personality?
/r/MensRights16/05/19 06:14 PM
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No, for pulling the abuse card as if I traumatized you for wanting to know more about you.
/r/MensRights16/05/19 05:12 PM
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Has anyone told you you've got a wedgie stuck between your buttcheeks?
/r/MensRights16/05/19 04:43 PM
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I was teasing you. You just seem afraid to talk about yourself is all.
/r/MensRights16/05/19 11:39 AM
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I don't agree with your notion of a hypermasculine society. Women are the protected class in society. Women are certainly protected but that doesn't mean society is feminine. If this was a more feminine society we would be gentler with people as a whole, more accommodating, more focused on raising children to be mentally/physically healthy and self-assured and integrated, not hyper-competitive and selfish and living unhealthy lifestyles, etc. Like literally it would be more communitarian. Becaus…
/r/MensRights16/05/19 04:28 AM
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You'll have to explain this. A few days ago you were going off about how women have discovered masculine power and they aren't going back. Now you say it's a problem? Like everything, there are positives and negatives. In this case I try to acknowledge that there are two sides to everything, though I am a pretty scattered person. Hypermasculinity has benefited society, especially women, in some ways, but has lead to other unforeseen problems. Everything in the universe is like this. Even the spr…
/r/MensRights15/05/19 10:35 PM
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This doesn't affect all men and it isn't a male only problem. Yes. I fully believe that. My overarching opinion about the state of the western world at the moment is it is overall hypermasculine. That even goes for women, especially feminists. Heh, definitely NOT a male only issue. You've raged on me already in our short time together. Lol. I'll be honest, it was the day before my period which is when I get the most volatile. I disagree completely that lack of self nurture is a top cause of suic…
/r/MensRights15/05/19 09:29 PM
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So you would say it helped but not worth the $100 fee. Fair enough. Yep. It was $100 a month, not per session, so it wasn't bad but I need the money for food and rent. Since stopping I've been cooking more, weightlifting, sleeping better, and doing better in school. Some of that was due to learning self-acceptance and self-love from therapy, which helped me to have accountability and stop feeling like a victim. But I'd say the things I've heard and read from others, even redditors, have had the …
/r/MensRights15/05/19 08:54 PM
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Why not? What's your life like, what do you do for a living and such? How do you measure success in your therapy? I realized that I didn't need to spend $100 a month to talk to someone about my problems. So I reach out to my friends and family for advice and support instead, I write and draw as emotional outlets, and I use willpower to push back negative feelings and get things done. If therapy was free, I'd definitely go back for the benefit it gave me, but for now I've got people in my life wh…
/r/MensRights15/05/19 04:56 PM
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Do you go to therapy?
/r/MensRights15/05/19 04:07 PM
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You can deny the wrongness of what you said but it doesn't change the reality that setting limits on how much somebody can cry is controlling behavior. I agree that setting limits on how much somebody can cry is controlling behavior and I don't condone it. It was a misunderstanding. I apologize. This is your narcissism at work. I picked up early on you have a massive ego. You think very highly of yourself to the point of feeling superior. You follow through with it by suggesting others become vu…
/r/MensRights15/05/19 01:11 AM
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I never said gender supremacists are good.
/r/MensRights15/05/19 12:36 AM
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If you believe that women should be strong and powerful, why do you think men should be weak and vulnerable? I think everyone should be able to do both. It's just that the average woman is better already at being vulnerable and the average man better at being strong and stoic. Have you ever been to a counseling session or a support group? Ultimately at those types of events you are allowing yourself to be vulnerable and honest by revealing what is truly going on inside of your mind without worry…
/r/MensRights15/05/19 12:32 AM
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Because Nazis are racial supremacists by default and that can't be supported.
/r/MensRights14/05/19 10:15 PM
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Lol. To be fair, I've said men would benefit from learning how to articulate and express their true emotions and to be vulnerable, not that they need to do it. It's up to men to decide if they want that for themselves. Unhappy and insecure men should consider this more heavily. I can only try to persuade people that learning how to be emotionally open, genuine, and connected with others, to be at peace with oneself and kind to others, will make them happier in the long term (think eastern philos…
/r/MensRights14/05/19 10:04 PM
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Yes. Pretty much anyone I meet though, I wonder what unique ways they struggle in life or in what ways they have been hurt. For example, knowing so many men in America have been circumcised. How do they feel that that was done to them? Or, are they truly happy with how they were raised, or the career they chose? Etc. Pretending to be happy, or making it look that way on the outside, is different from being truly happy.
/r/MensRights14/05/19 09:27 PM
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As far as I can tell I have never endorsed that there are good Nazis.
/r/MensRights14/05/19 09:03 PM
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I'll prove you wrong. Give me some time.
/r/MensRights14/05/19 09:02 PM
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As long as they are happy, healthy, and productive members of society, then yes. But people should not accept themselves for "who they are" if they are not happy with themselves or they're unhealthy. They should accept what they cannot change, but work to change what they can. You can't change your height but you can change obesity. You can change the way you think if your thinking is harmful to you or others. Etc. So we should accept people for their unique strengths and qualities. But we shoul…
/r/MensRights14/05/19 09:00 PM
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I've gotta listen to all sides to get as objective a viewpoint as possible.
/r/MensRights14/05/19 08:41 PM
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Do those exist?
/r/MensRights14/05/19 08:41 PM
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Depends on the person/people and what we're teaming up to work on.
/r/MensRights14/05/19 08:40 PM
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Good point. Unless they're trying to support rape or murder. I just wish people weren't assholes to each other you know. It doesn't make sense, people shouldn't be driven to hurt others like that. But lots of people do that because of abuse and trauma. Stats say that 1/3 of abuse victims go on to become abusers themselves. I just think that's the most important issue to tackle, like how do we teach people the importance of caring for each other's wellbeing and achievement of their true potential…
/r/MensRights14/05/19 06:39 PM
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That would probably be the most hilarious thing on the planet but it would be welcomed because where there is conflict, there can be resolution.
/r/MensRights14/05/19 06:28 PM
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Nor should we, if we can understand ourselves, we are already winning. Hard agree on that. Then the part about that is that we can never fully understand ourselves either. But I do think we have to try to understand ourselves first in order to truly understand others. The thing is I want to understand men because the average life of a woman seems boring to me. Kinda like how Ayn Rand spent all her time with rich political dudes you know?
/r/MensRights14/05/19 06:26 PM
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So what if I set up a booth encouraging discussion about sexual assault and rape and/or abuse? What should it say? Or what if I set up an event where people get together to discuss this and to share their experiences? My goal is to get people riled up about serious global issues so we can all better understand what a healthy world looks like and we can all be moved to make real change rather than just being angry behind a computer. I'm just not sure how to go about it yet.
/r/MensRights14/05/19 06:02 PM
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So what do we do about it?
/r/MensRights14/05/19 05:53 PM
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What are the complaints that they're filing?
/r/MensRights14/05/19 05:32 PM
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Lol that's not gonna work, that's just avoidance and changes nothing. I'm thinking of doing some tabling events like the YouTube dude who does the Change My Mind videos. There'll be some big topic or question and "Share Your Opinion" written on a board. How should I phrase the questions? I can't do it yet because I don't have the money. But perhaps one of the clubs on campus would be willing to fund it.
/r/MensRights14/05/19 05:09 PM
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I try my best lmao
/r/MensRights14/05/19 04:47 PM
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Yeah definitely. Imagine how much we would fuck up by segregating genders and making them understand each other even less than they already do.
/r/MensRights14/05/19 04:32 PM
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If you want it to happen painlessly, you could be put in a coma, I have heard some article, where the woman gave birth in a coma. there is no gizmo that will grant a painless birth (yet). The article is about a vegetative rape victim unwillingly giving birth. Weird that you didn't acknowledge that but creative suggestion. But the woman wouldn't be able to determine how much pain she's feeling. What if the doctors are rough with the woman while she sleeps and she isn't awake to tell them they're …
/r/MensRights14/05/19 04:25 PM
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What if it made men and women hate each other more than they already do because they wouldn't develop to understand one another? Girls already tolerate each other, guys already tolerate each other, that's not the issue. The issue is segregating the genders on the assumption that all girls will gravitate toward girl things and all guys toward guy things. That's just backwards. There are girls who would want the male type of education and boys who would want the female type. Segregation would dama…
/r/MensRights14/05/19 03:47 PM
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All right, no kids it is. No kids, no future. Birth rate is declining for a reason. We address those reasons and the birth rate will go back up. We start by making pregnancy as painless as possible through technological/medical advancements, and I mean really putting a lot of funding into improving the process for women rather than putting so much money in the military, for example. Having a kid in this day and age is a liability that doesn't outweigh the benefits of being childfree. It is physi…
/r/MensRights14/05/19 10:51 AM
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All these trends are off a detriment of another trend which is also becoming more and more apparent. But the things I listed are good things. So while bad things are happening, it's simultaneously making way for good things to happen too. I'm not discounting those bad things... but there's two sides to the coin. The way the system is set up means: we don't have enough children to pass our "good life" on to. What do you mean? It's not a self-esteem class you want, it's a religion, morality or a s…
/r/MensRights14/05/19 10:12 AM
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By what metric do you determine this? Trends. Double-earning couples are becoming more common, women are becoming more financially independent, and more men are becoming stay-at-home dads. More women are entering male-dominated fields and going to college. So on and so forth. This definitely happens, but that doesn't account for the majority of people. People and their personal disposition leads them to the life they want. Everybody wants to be a movie star right? wrong, everybody just likes the…
/r/MensRights14/05/19 09:12 AM
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The majority of men have an inclination to dominance, the majority women have an inclination to submissiveness (oh shit I said it). Yeah, I agree. But women and men will likely become more balanced in this department as time goes on, in the next decades. and no being taught how to be "confident". Some people need to be taught this because they go through some kind of abuse or trauma which kills their self-esteem and thus their confidence. And when I say teaching confidence, I don't mean just tel…
/r/MensRights14/05/19 08:35 AM
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this is a question of economics and in this world nothing is free. someone has to wake up and produce the product you so desire. Yeah... and I'm not a scientist. So I/we gotta persuade people to increase funding to create better birth control methods and make them accessible. Because doing this will significantly lessen abortion rates. That's the motivation for us to tax it. biological disposition... women tend to not strive for those positions (are you arguing for gender quota's because that is…
/r/MensRights14/05/19 08:13 AM
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Or let everyone worry about everyone. I'm not here to only worry about girls
/r/MensRights14/05/19 07:58 AM
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Oh my god no. Fuck that. I'd hate to be in a room of only girls and I know lots of girls would hate that. Just make it so the classroom caters in a balanced way to both boys and girls.
/r/MensRights14/05/19 07:56 AM
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I just went to my first city council meeting so I'm just getting started. Gimme some advice. Who should I go to? Campus feminist clubs? Student government? Where do I go?
/r/MensRights14/05/19 05:45 AM
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Right, this is what I'm getting at with my post
/r/MensRights14/05/19 05:43 AM
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I could make it specific by outlining which causes I fight for. For example, universal healthy food for everyone, accessible healthcare for all, easily accessible birth control for both men and women, equal treatment in court, transparency in all government processes (lack of bias in lawmaking), erasure of corruption through transparency, etc. And unbiased education for all people.
/r/MensRights14/05/19 01:28 AM
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Yes, I did expect different. I haven't known very many feminists but the sub isn't only feminists, it's just women in general. Honestly, most women are pretty chill. I think a lot of unhealthy women turn to feminism so they can blame their suffering on something outside of themselves. And then the passive feminists just don't do anything about the radical ones. But this same pattern happens with men too.
/r/MensRights14/05/19 01:21 AM
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Then why don't you tell that to Big Red when she's disrupting men's events with her bullhorn? Why don't you tell that to the feminists who wrote the Duluth (arrest male DV victims) Model? Because I'm new to the movement and I'm still learning so I can actually stand a chance against an illogical feminist in a persuasive discussion. Why don't you?
/r/MensRights14/05/19 01:17 AM
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Kind of like "good" cops. There are no good cops. There are those who are bad, and those who don't speak up.
/r/MensRights14/05/19 01:13 AM
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You're right. I'm biased. I always will be. But I am always striving to have a better, more objective perspective. Don't you know that we all fight a unique battle with bias? We are all imperfect creatures. You are biased too. But ignorance is healed through the acquisition of knowledge. We can always strive to be more informed by trying to understand each other, genuinely caring for one another, and through education. I love people. I love men, and I love women. They're great. We all face tribu…
/r/MensRights14/05/19 01:12 AM
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I very much am. Because I'm tired of the lack of communication between the two groups as a whole so I'm willing to be a facilitator in creating a resolution to at least some problems.
/r/MensRights13/05/19 09:50 PM
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I didn't even realize the post was removed from r/twoXchromosomes. If that's true then that's pretty disappointing.
/r/MensRights13/05/19 09:49 PM
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Are you saying people overreact on the internet and real life is less radical? Unheard of. /s
/r/MensRights13/05/19 09:48 PM
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Perhaps we could shorten the word egalitarianism to equalism, or something like that?
/r/MensRights13/05/19 09:47 PM
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Yeah but what's the movement gonna be called?
/r/MensRights13/05/19 09:45 PM
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For example, easily accessible or even free birth control (excluding abortion), affordable menstrual products, slut shaming, sexual assault/rape (which is also a men's issue, yes). Also the lack of women in leadership roles, but I'm not saying this is a feminist issue necessarily, but an issue of women not being taught how to be confident enough to pursue careers which they may actually want, thus it would make sense for the feminist movement to want to encourage women to pursue leadership oppor…
/r/MensRights13/05/19 09:44 PM
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Whoops. I'll give it a watch when I have time.
/r/MensRights13/05/19 09:35 PM
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Thanks! I wish it were a bigger sub but seems right up my alley.
/r/MensRights13/05/19 09:33 PM
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I'm not gonna watch such a long fem rant but I found this comment to represent well what is wrong with the feminist movement "Even if not all feminists were like that, it is the extremists who are running the show and getting outrageous social policies implemented. Meanwhile, the feminists who claim to not be like that are doing nothing to question, challenge or oppose that extremism. Therefore, all feminists are like that by default alone." Sounds like we've gotta stir the quiet, passive majori…
/r/MensRights13/05/19 02:17 PM
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You would get ridiculed by both sides. I wouldn't mind the ridicule as long as it gained attention and some people actually showed up. In fact, ridicule would be better than totally being ignored because that's just extra publicity. The MRM tried to work together in it's early stages, but we disagree on such a deep level that now it can't work. The vast majority of MRA's are anti feminists. You can't say "we" as if you are the same activists from the 70s. That's an over 40 year difference. The m…
/r/MensRights13/05/19 01:53 PM
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Ok so what if I planned an event where it was explicitly about getting feminists and MRAs to come together to discuss their differences?
/r/MensRights13/05/19 01:40 PM
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Who cares if a few rare feminists with no power are willing to sit down at a table with MRAs and try to work together when virtually all the associations and groups are not? It's an empty gesture. These rare feminists could grow in number if we reached out and tried to find more of them. Of course finding them on the internet won't do much. We'd have to find them in real life, probably.
/r/MensRights13/05/19 01:28 PM
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Because that's the kind of attitude that prevents progress. You know logically that not all feminists are like that. So we've gotta reach out to the feminists who are open-minded and supportive of the men's rights platform.
/r/MensRights13/05/19 01:25 PM
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Why did it end there? Was she afraid of being fired?
/r/MensRights13/05/19 01:23 PM
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This whole post screams to me that you don't know anything about the history of the movements. We're not living in the past, we're living in the present. Just because it didn't work before doesn't mean we can't make it work now.
/r/MensRights13/05/19 01:22 PM
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Yeah but not all feminists are misandrists. We just gotta find the good ones, or the ones who are more open to the idea, and the radicals will eventually follow suit.
/r/MensRights13/05/19 01:13 PM
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and that esquire a lot of self reflection and philosophy. It certainly does. And the good thing about that is when you respond consistently to others with genuity and truth from your own self-reflection and self-awareness, and practiced impartial thinking, people are almost always more receptive to what you have to say. I agree with what you're saying. Digging deep to find out why a person is a feminist on an individual level is a good route to changing that person's mind. Though I think it's a …
/r/MensRights13/05/19 01:11 PM
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Well let's start there then!
/r/MensRights13/05/19 01:09 PM
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What's the difference? I like humanism better. No one wants to be called an egalitariangielgjddbism.
/r/MensRights13/05/19 01:08 PM
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I posted there first. The post just never even made it onto the sub for some reason. I wonder if there's an auto filter or something.
/r/MensRights13/05/19 01:07 PM
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Yeah I'd agree that's one of the biggest barriers to having civil discussions with feminists about this... but with objective statistics/reasoning presented calmly and with a genuine desire to show them that men do care about their rights, perhaps they could realize they are wrong about this.
/r/MensRights13/05/19 06:13 AM
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But you don't know that, we haven't talked to them yet. Though I'm sure some will say that.
/r/MensRights13/05/19 05:18 AM
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Men do not express femininity well because men are masculine, not feminine. Women do not express masculinity well because they are feminine, not masculine. As time goes on, men and women will become better at expressing the strengths of their opposing gender. Water cannot be oil, but humans aren't water and oil, they are creatures with consciousness and free will. They evolve. With time, we have seen the genders transform to be more like each other, namely women taking on male behaviors and role…
/r/MensRights13/05/19 01:52 AM
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We could just all do both. Balance.
/r/MensRights13/05/19 12:31 AM
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I don't post here that often, but my experience is just from when I've interacted with people in the past. To be fair, feminists do the same thing toward men. I will make a similar post like this one, except about feminists, to see if they respond any differently than the MRAs.
/r/MensRights13/05/19 12:30 AM
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But I haven't heard you explain why it's harmful. You just said it results in people being the same. You haven't even said why that is harmful, you only stated your opinion that diversity is better than sameness. But you haven't explained how men expressing femininity could damage society. So that's my question, but let me rephrase it: how would teaching men how to be emotionally expressive, vulnerable, and nurturing, hurt society? To clarify, I have nothing against masculinity. I love masculini…
/r/MensRights13/05/19 12:07 AM
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I'm not saying women aren't evil, I know there are evil ladies out there, but murder is about the worst thing someone can do, and men take the cake in that department (gang violence, crime, premeditated murder, kidnapping/rape/murder cases, terrorism, mass shootings, etc.), not counting deaths due to abortion. I'm not saying that men are evil because of that either, just pointing out that reality. Edit: I revoke my statements about the murder issue. Compared to abortion, murder is a lot less com…
/r/MensRights12/05/19 11:23 PM
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Yeah, why do they?
/r/MensRights12/05/19 10:56 PM
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Was there anything else you would like to discuss? Of course. What are the evils that women have perpetrated? Why do you use the slippery slope fallacy to justify that men learning how to express femininity will magically transform them into women? Why do you you think it's a bad thing for men to learn how to express femininity? Do you believe women should be boring, stay-at-home baby incubators? If not, then what?
/r/MensRights12/05/19 10:35 PM
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Do you want them to stop expressing their gender? To be more feminine? If so, why do you want that to happen? Men would benefit from being more feminine. The entire world would. But they should not stop expressing their given gender. They should simply also learn to express femininity. Look at men like Martin Luther King Jr., the Dalai Lama, other men who learned the importance of sacrifice, compassion, and promoting peace. They did not use force, they used kindness and understanding. This is wh…
/r/MensRights12/05/19 10:06 PM
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I've never spent time in that sub. But maybe people in MGTOW trickle into this sub and that's who I've interacted with. This post would definitely be much better for r/MGTOW.
/r/MensRights12/05/19 09:42 PM
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I have interacted with people in this sub who think like this, but perhaps they are the loud minority.
/r/MensRights12/05/19 09:37 PM
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How common is that viewpoint among MRAs you've interacted with? Also, do they believe women should and/or want to work only certain kinds of jobs?
/r/MensRights12/05/19 09:36 PM
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I've had an unusual amount of interactions with men in this sub who feel this way, or at least imply the specific belief that women would be happier being housewives. However, I could be biased toward remembering these types of comments, and perhaps I also participate in discussions with this type of redditor more. So you have a valid point.
/r/MensRights12/05/19 09:34 PM
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I'm so intrigued, tell me more!
/r/MensRights12/05/19 09:30 PM
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Okay, here's my confusion with your insistence on asking me this question. I'm not a feminist, I'm not an SJW. I'm a weird, mild conspiracy theorist and political skeptic who sympathizes with men's rights. I have explicitly acknowledged that those two things stand in opposition to each other. I'm not fighting for either diversity or sameness. I just want people to be happy and to get along and have their rights respected. So I have no answer for you. I have no idea why people are contradictory a…
/r/MensRights12/05/19 09:24 PM
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You're welcome. Have a nice day.
/r/MensRights12/05/19 09:13 PM
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I agree with you, it's heavily biased.
/r/MensRights12/05/19 09:13 PM
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Trust me, I want circumcision to be ended too. It's one of the most inhumane practices in America that is socially acceptable for no reason. And I agree with the alimony check issue.
/r/MensRights12/05/19 09:12 PM
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I don't want to play this game with you. Answer the question with a yes or no or I'm done.
/r/MensRights12/05/19 09:09 PM
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And my question to you is, should women be boring, stay-at-home baby incubators because of their biological nature? If not, then what?
/r/MensRights12/05/19 08:36 PM
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Likewise. Why won't you answer one simple question?
/r/MensRights12/05/19 08:28 PM
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Thanks for revealing that you aren't worth talking to
/r/MensRights12/05/19 08:02 PM
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It's relevant to my biggest issue with this movement. MRAs, as a consequence of fighting for men's rights, often put down women and attempt to fit them into a negatively biased box just like feminists do to men. It is also relevant to the issue of men not being vulnerable about their own emotions because they fear they will be made fun of or put in danger for "acting like a girl", which is relevant to my original post. And it is absolutely relevant to the conflict of fighting for diversity vs. s…
/r/MensRights12/05/19 05:43 PM
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Okay, interesting, so women are more balanced (emotionally) than men, or like, reserved. I could see this. Women tend to be more leveled? But BPD more commonly affects women and that is not what I would call moderate. Got links to the science you're talking about?
/r/MensRights12/05/19 08:07 AM
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So here's my question for you. If your argument is that emotion and harmony are masculine traits, then what are feminine traits?
/r/MensRights12/05/19 07:41 AM
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Why do you care so much about getting laid? Sure we have biological needs because of evolution and everything, but why do you simply choose to follow it? I mean it sounds like you know that your biology predisposes you to like a specific type of woman, but you just go along with it because eh, your biology says so, so you do it?
/r/MensRights12/05/19 06:03 AM
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The fuck? It's just a question, we're not in some national debate tournament, there are no rules. And my question is the core of our whole issue here. I think that's why you don't want to answer it. This is my only question: do you think women should stay at home, be boring, and push out babies, because of "biological nature"? If no, then what?
/r/MensRights12/05/19 05:55 AM
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Before we move on, let me ask you this. How do you propose we respect the biological nature of men and women in K-12 education? What does that even mean? That's my biggest concern with your position. It's great to celebrate the differences of the genders and all, but it isn't great to suggest that people shouldn't enter certain fields just because it hasn't been popular in the past for their gender to do so. When I hear your position, my mind jumps to the worst case scenario, which is that you t…
/r/MensRights11/05/19 09:37 PM
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Are you able to speak about this directly without going into other subjects? It's my style... I like tangents 😁 But I'll wrap this tangent up with this. Yes, boys and girls tend to be drawn toward certain pursuits. A study done in Sweden found that even with lots of equality, men and women still gravitate toward the same types of jobs. But I think as you said, we are more advanced now than before. And as a result things have changed; I might add that homogeny naturally comes about when people re…
/r/MensRights11/05/19 07:35 PM
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Yeah that's a good point... have you ever had a run in like that? I'm fairly young, no kids and I've interacted with kids at the park and such, and even I feel weird about it honestly. I wish it weren't like that. A pretty large proportion of them assume you must be single if you're out with your kids without their mom... and that assumption often gets pretty weird and gross. Now that's interesting. Have you been hit on by other moms?
/r/MensRights11/05/19 07:14 PM
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I already am hesitant about having kids. Childbirth is painful and seems extremely unpleasant, let alone having to raise a child for 18+ years. But who knows? Maybe there'll be new technology in the future which makes childbirth far less painful. I already find him boring lol. But I'm not with him because I need insane amounts of passion and excitement. I can get that elsewhere. I love him because he's steady. He is emotionally stable and loving and that's the kind of person I want. And trust me…
/r/MensRights11/05/19 07:11 PM
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I agree that it is wrong to force people into certain behaviors. Educating them is different. I wouldn't want to be forced into doing masculine things, but I certainly would like to be encouraged to try traditionally masculine pursuits and be shown how to do them. It's like people in our society just assume women will always want to do feminine things and men will always want to do masculine things and so they don't try to show them the other side of life. That's damaging to society. People shou…
/r/MensRights11/05/19 07:03 PM
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That's pretty sad. And it doesn't help that kids are becoming so addicted to technology too. That might be deeper than just a gender issue (as in a people issue). Here's a thought. What if parents played with their kids on the playground instead of played on their phones? Weird? Good?
/r/MensRights11/05/19 06:56 PM
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... okay? I feel like you just preached your preferences at me for no reason lol. I'm a 23 year old in college and I'm with a really fantastic, emotionally mature and socially skilled man so you're talking to the wrong person. He loves that I'm more dominant and has explicitly said he likes dominant women. And we're probably both gonna get tattoos at some point in our lives. The kind of woman you want sounds boring to me 😁 but everyone has their own preferences.
/r/MensRights11/05/19 06:53 PM
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They are fundamentally different biologically, but they aren't so drastically different that they should be considered opposites of each other socio-culturally. I think men should have a healthy role in rearing kids, homemaking, and taking care of others and women should have a healthy role in making decisions, earning money, and providing for others. And everyone should work hard and exercise, care for themselves, eat well, have compassion for one another, and try to understand each other. My p…
/r/MensRights11/05/19 06:43 PM
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Or perhaps you don't recognize when these things are being done unless they're done in a feminine way, due to the "men are broken women" trap. Your example, if universal enough of an experience, proves my point that men just don't do those traditionally feminine things. They're not broken for it, but it can be damaging to avoid nurturing your child, the people you love, etc. Imagine if a child fell at the playground and started crying from the pain, and the parent just stared from a distance and…
/r/MensRights11/05/19 06:36 PM
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Making things the same is not creating diversity. Men and women are naturally diverse. Any attempt to change that is an attempt to remove diversity. Too much diversity can be a bad thing. If we are too different then we don't understand each other, conflict ensues, drastic things like wars and deaths happen, etc. There needs to be some unity to hold us together or we fall apart. Men and women are diverse yet similar. It's a paradox but it exists nonetheless. We aren't completely different or com…
/r/MensRights11/05/19 06:17 PM
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Perhaps men would still do these things in a masculine way, but in general they just don't really do them. They're traditionally feminine things and men have avoided them. That avoidance is damaging to the emotional health of men, as we can see with rising suicide rates. They aren't "broken women", but many haven't learned to harness women's strengths. That's not being broken, that's being imbalanced.
/r/MensRights11/05/19 05:53 PM
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Btw there is proof that men don't like fat obnoxious women. Women don't like fat obnoxious men either, we went over this. You might not have realized this but feminine women can be just as fat and obnoxious. You just made straw man argument equating improved life in general ,with changed sexual preferences. Do you have proof for that? As women have risen to have some of the same rights and opportunities as men, so too has the general standard of a desirable woman. Women started working and earni…
/r/MensRights11/05/19 05:43 PM
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Both genders engage in behaviors to attract mates, get attention, express themselves, start and raise families, interact with friends and family, and ultimately leave some kind of mark on the world. The motives are the same, but the way they go about achieving those goals can vary. So their behaviors are more similar than you'd think. Once the homogenization process is complete, men and women will no longer exist. They will be one and the same. The problem is, what are we gonna do about the repr…
/r/MensRights11/05/19 05:28 PM
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True. Perhaps it's a question pertaining to an outdated, dying mindset. So let me ask you this. How comfortable do you feel in expressing your emotions openly with people, crying when you feel like it, or being vulnerable with others? And how comfortable do you feel in participating in largely female-dominated activities (rearing the kids, cooking, cleaning the home, etc.)?
/r/MensRights11/05/19 05:08 PM
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Yes, absolutely. They are fundamentally different. They have more or less of certain hormones, different reproductive systems, different body builds. But they are the same because they are both humans with similar overall behaviors, similar motives, similar skeletal structure, etc.
/r/MensRights11/05/19 05:03 PM
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Diversity doesn't equal separated gender roles. Freedom to be who you want to be, regardless of what society says you should be, leads to diversity.
/r/MensRights11/05/19 04:44 PM
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If humans are homogeneous in terms of gender roles, humans can still distinguish themselves as diverse individuals, even more so than before. Let's imagine that men and women are more balanced in being breadwinners and caretakers. Humans will be more similar because they have adopted aspects of both gender roles, but there is still diversity in choosing your line of work, having unique beliefs, practicing customs, raising your children in a certain way, etc. The less we try to separate the gende…
/r/MensRights11/05/19 04:34 PM
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You start throwing around words like fallacy strawmen and others ,this is standard reply from people wit not real arguments only using the mots du jour. It disproves the connection you were making about masculine women being obnoxious feminist assholes, unless you can provide proof for your statement. It is too soon in human history to say with definitive certainty that we are changed to better humans compared with the past.And who decide what is better and what better looks like. We decide what…
/r/MensRights11/05/19 04:09 PM
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Gender equality increases diversity because women and men can engage in behaviors and activities previously unavailable to them.
/r/MensRights11/05/19 03:42 PM
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The majority of men don't like fat obnoxious self righteous women.This is a fact. Strawman. Masculinity in women doesn't equate to being a dick. People in general don't like fat, obnoxious self-righteous people no matter the gender. I agree that behaviors don't simply change overnight but customs do change (evolve) with time. Men didn't used to be attracted to self-made women who work and take care of themselves financially, and now more men are looking for independent and driven women. I won't …
/r/MensRights11/05/19 10:53 AM
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Interesting. I'm from the US and I'd say the guy I know is also balanced. People just generally want to interact with him because of his friendly joking energy, he never shows anger, he's always kind. He makes people open up just by being himself. I guess balance is key.
/r/MensRights11/05/19 10:38 AM
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So I think men are punished for not having masculine traits rather than having feminine ones. Doesn't this imply that instead of masculine traits, they have feminine traits? I think I see what you're saying, like a man will be considered acceptable if he shows femininity as long as he shows masculinity as well, so he has to be able to express both. Is that what you mean?
/r/MensRights11/05/19 10:33 AM
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This is stupid,. We evolved to complement each other. This is an appeal to nature fallacy. Also women that are not feminine are repulsive to men.The more feminists the more repulsive they are. This is also a fallacy, as lack of femininity does not equate to feminism. Sexual preferences are deep rooted in our DNA, to be changed simply by socializing people. That's the beauty of having consciousness. We have the power to transcend our animalistic sexual instincts and transform to be something grea…
/r/MensRights11/05/19 10:29 AM
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Would that imply that this person you know is fairly balanced in this regard? Perhaps you're right that there isn't much pressure on men about this. Where are you from? One of the most popular people I know is actually similar to the person you're talking about so you might be onto something.
/r/MensRights11/05/19 09:07 AM
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In a generalized sense, masculine traits are dominance, leadership/decisiveness, focus on hard logic (lack of emotion), power, competitiveness. Feminine traits are harmony, nurturing, community, focus on emotion, compassion, subservience (catering), etc.
/r/MensRights11/05/19 08:58 AM
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I highly doubt you have no feminine traits whatsoever. That would be unhealthy if you had none. Most people fall somewhere in the middle anyway. No one should be purely one way, balance is best. Just because men "should" be masculine due to their biology doesn't mean they shouldn't have some feminine traits.
/r/MensRights11/05/19 08:31 AM
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I think the price point is absolutely outrageous, but I don't think this idea is inherently bad. What is good is for men to feel like they can express their femininity and not feel pressured to overexert their masculinity. What's bad is to make men feel bad for having masculinity, though it is good to show men how masculinity can express itself in negative ways.
/r/MensRights30/04/19 06:31 AM
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Yes, more people could make the leaders less accessible... which is why in capitalism, there's the people with the most power, and then the people controlled by them, and then the people controlled by them... but consider this: how much do the leaders really need to control? The socialist society at the small scale could decide that the leader only has a few important responsibilities and thus it is easier to relinquish power to the people. Also, because we can spread information so fast with th…
/r/MensRights29/04/19 08:34 PM
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Because it won't work otherwise. Socialism has to start small first. That's how it will work. If a few people start up the socialist style government in their city and slowly adapt to more people joining in, then it could grow effectively. It wouldn't work to forcefully enact it on a whole state, let alone a country, because there's too many opinions that will be lost. Really? Do you think the vast majority of the US can get a meeting with our elected officials to discuss such things? We live in…
/r/MensRights29/04/19 07:54 PM
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Then people will elect representatives to take care of the minutiae Then these elected officials will control every aspect of people's lives... how much power they are allowed to use. How much bread they are allowed to eat. How can you know this will happen? The rest of the people (who will be the vast majority over the elected officials) can easily get a meeting together with the elected officials (if they have them) to discuss these things. If the people get lazy about making decisions then th…
/r/MensRights29/04/19 07:27 PM
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Okay, so the vote would be expanded to everyone. Since likely all the citizens would use the facility anyway.
/r/MensRights29/04/19 06:38 PM
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I disagree. There could be a weekly vote and/or discussion among the people who use the facility to decide what the temperature will be. They don't necessarily need delegates to decide this, though there will be people who don't really care. I imagine the best temperature would be an average between everyone's preferences. People could take turns with leadership roles, though some people are naturally more inclined to lead, so they might lead more often, but that doesn't mean a government has to…
/r/MensRights29/04/19 05:26 PM
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Why?
/r/MensRights29/04/19 04:59 PM
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Yeah me too. So what do you think is fair?
/r/MensRights27/04/19 05:21 PM
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In the US she gets the abortion. In Poland the baby gets born. Nowhere can the man choose abortion. I'm more asking your opinion, like how should the law be?
/r/MensRights26/04/19 11:52 PM
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That's the entire point. You give up all paternity rights along with the financial responsibility. Rights and responsibilities go together. What if you don't want financial responsibility but you still at least want to see your kid sometimes? I meant on a national level. Laws and such. This is the way it always works. So if a woman wants an abortion and a man doesn't, what should they do according to federal law?
/r/MensRights26/04/19 10:44 PM
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As you would expect it to be, since cross culturally males provide resources and protection to families. This gets destroyed if the kids aren't theirs. It's the basis for civilization. It's also why males dislike slutty behavior in females. So basically guys don't want to pool their resources into children that aren't their own blood? Honestly financial abortion is a weird concept. If you opt for a financial abortion, I would imagine that some women would just not let you see the kid. There are …
/r/MensRights26/04/19 10:36 PM
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I do get that pregnancy and childrearing can have as much of an emotional toll on men as it does on women, I was wrong to end my comment by saying the only burden men face is financial. I apologize for that and retract my statement. But what pisses me off is that men want the right to override a woman's decision to get an abortion while thinking that pregnancy and childbirth is just a walk in the park and women should suck it up and ruin their vaginas so the man can have a baby that the woman do…
/r/MensRights26/04/19 07:26 PM
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That's pretty fucked. Thanks for sharing.
/r/MensRights26/04/19 07:13 PM
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Did you know that women are shown to be unhappier in marriages than men are? Men benefit from marriage, women benefit from divorce. Pretty dumb obviously.
/r/MensRights26/04/19 07:11 PM
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I like that point you made. Women have gotten to live comfortably a long time. So like I said, end pointless war and especially end the stupid draft. Make sure all citizens can vote and have the right to decide if they want to risk their lives killing people from other countries or not.
/r/MensRights26/04/19 07:10 PM
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War is just a stupid and pointless waste of money and human lives. The draft in general is corrupt, it should never exist. We should work to phase war out of society.
/r/MensRights26/04/19 07:09 PM
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I think it's gonna require the gradual implementation of a type of government that isn't capitalism. Something much more socialist but not communism.
/r/MensRights26/04/19 07:06 PM
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While I've remained calm and rational during this conversation, you have resorted to angry and unhinged name-calling that was totally uncalled for. I think it's good that women get the choice to abort and not men like you. I showed your comment to a young Christian stud who doesn't believe in abortion, and he would still give women the choice. He will pray to God that no woman has a child with you. He also thinks you're a big dick -- but you are what you eat, right? Having an opinion is one thin…
/r/MensRights26/04/19 06:40 PM
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Men do not have to risk death, permanent injury, permanent stretching/loosening of the vagina, permanent stretch marks, incontinence, invasive surgery (C-section), excessive bleeding, postpartum depression, etc. when a woman is pregnant. You do nothing. The woman has to bear the worst pain a woman possibly has to bear in her life, and you bear nothing. Being pregnant is like progressively getting kicked in the balls harder and harder over the course of 9 months until at the very end, you're kick…
/r/MensRights26/04/19 09:17 AM
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Yeah that doesn't make sense. How can you have a healthy relationship at all if you're always going to look at your partner as an oppressor?
/r/MensRights26/04/19 03:47 AM
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Totally agree with your first paragraph. We should all know how to take care of ourselves and such. A feminist-designed relationship is based upon resentment, one-sided blame and chronic offense-taking. I don't see how that's a great idea. What does that relationship look like exactly? I'm not a feminist so I don't know what you're referring to. Like, being hypersensitive and strictly equal in everything?
/r/MensRights26/04/19 01:49 AM
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I chuckled at the last line. Nice reference and good visuals. Brave Little Toaster Takes On the Feminists. Are you starting to get the idea that if you oppose feminism, you will be systematically destroyed? This is what we face. Feminism is a cult of hate operated by terrorists. Yes, I'm definitely getting a better idea. I'm still not fazed though, since I'm passionate about bringing more equality and I want to push for more open discussion on fixing these issues that both genders are sounding o…
/r/MensRights26/04/19 01:29 AM
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Obviously, that is because men are so oppressive. There can be no other reason. Lol. But here's a question: are you very enthusiastic about the idea of your partner sitting at home vacuuming once in awhile? Do men actually like this idea?
/r/MensRights26/04/19 01:11 AM
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Jesus. Reading about her, I don't understand what she said that was worthy of receiving bomb threats. Her work sounds quite objective. Surely there's a way to not make people react so violently to merely a different way of viewing human rights issues? What if I reached out directly to feminists?
/r/MensRights26/04/19 01:09 AM
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I will get back to you when I watch the film. It looks like the creator received some crazy backlash which is unbelievable. Not gonna lie, I thought you were going to say the creator was physically attacked or something.
/r/MensRights26/04/19 12:37 AM
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I'm fine with it, as a woman, but I prefer balance. You're right though, I'm curious what women think about this. I haven't gotten much feedback from them but from what I've gathered, they seem to be of the opinion that balance is good. I'll have to ask a female dominated subreddit I suppose.
/r/MensRights26/04/19 12:28 AM
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Furthermore, if you are going to insinuate that my pragmatic approach is somehow complacency , (a very hard Stance I believe) I sincerely hope someone with your conviction is currently employed in one of the programs meant to be helping, instead of casting aspersions on others from a nice comfy seat at home. This is a good point. I could be doing so much more than what I'm currently doing now, but for the meantime I'm trying to learn what I can before I take more aggressive action. We can have e…
/r/MensRights26/04/19 12:25 AM
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You know what's also interesting is child abuse is more common in people with mental disorders, and I believe an average of 5% of children suffer damaging childhood trauma from abuse (though I'm sure it's more than that if we consider what constitutes as abuse). But I'm pretty sure most sociopaths are the result of childhood abuse, as are people with BPD. I think you're onto something with your theory, but I assume more research would have to be conducted. This ties into why I believe mental hea…
/r/MensRights26/04/19 12:14 AM
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If those in power do not share your sentiments, how do you propose to achieve these changes? By reaching out to the general public first. We can't just talk to the higher ups really. But with a vocal following (and/or vocal conflict), then they won't be able to ignore it. See, you and I can shout from the roof tops that we demand change, but after that? When you attempt to stand up and voice your concerns and you are shut down from every angle. When you have been doing this for 40 years and it o…
/r/MensRights26/04/19 12:09 AM
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Yes I agree with that. Holding fast to a strict 50/50 divide doesn't make sense. But encouraging people when they're young to pursue whatever it is they're interested in (mixed with what they're good at) is a good step. For example, not discouraging kids if they are interested in fields of work which differ from social norms, as well as giving them as comprehensive an overview of their choices as possible.
/r/MensRights25/04/19 11:40 PM
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Awesome, I agree!
/r/MensRights25/04/19 11:06 PM
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Interesting. I'd like to know more if you have time to share.
/r/MensRights25/04/19 11:06 PM
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Most counties and cities have programs, youth advocates, women’s shelters, etc to deal with this very problem The existence of these programs doesn't mean we are not still passively allowing abuse to continue. We can always do more. Think of all the kids in your city. There's at least a percentage of them who are actively being abused at this very moment. Even in my city of 150k people, there are kids being abused in secret right now and I'm doing nothing to help them. Many kids go their whole l…
/r/MensRights25/04/19 11:05 PM
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If we take one step forward and 25 steps backward, are we getting anywhere? Depends. What constitutes a step backwards? Will we actually take a step backwards by pursuing men's rights more publicly? Can you demonstrate that we're making forward progress? I think we gotta make it ourselves.
/r/MensRights25/04/19 11:00 PM
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By the way, I'm not a feminist. I just referenced the movement. Your optimism is beautifully hurtful. Unless you can actually create change, giving hope to the hopeless is only going to make the fall that much harder. Until you can demonstrate that things are improving, you are merely asking for blind faith. Those are really good points. I can't demonstrate that things are improving. What I can do is publicly demonstrate how I and others want to see things improved and persuade people that way. …
/r/MensRights25/04/19 10:56 PM
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Thanks for the correction. Sorry about that. Enveloped means "made to penetrate"? IMO, it is largely cluster B personality disorders. Interesting perspective! Why do you think that? Do you have evidence? Do you think cluster B affects men and women the same (are there studies on this)? I agree with being honest about the statistics. People can complain all they want but they can't do anything about hard facts.
/r/MensRights25/04/19 10:48 PM
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I was born in 1995. Honestly you bring up a good point. Having this comment will be a good motivator to keep working toward change so when we look back, we can see how far we've come. Even a little step forward is better than none right?
/r/MensRights25/04/19 10:45 PM
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I had a weird thought today: what if the illuminati (if it even exists) is actually run by women? Anyway, I don't know why terrorists would push for female supremacy. I don't disagree that the feminist movement has devolved more or less into a man-hating club. I think what started out with good intentions spiraled into a spiteful mess. Terrorists? I don't know. Hateful supremacists? Some of them. But riddled in the movement are women who have felt like they were oppressed, or have been taught to…
/r/MensRights25/04/19 10:44 PM
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I want to thank you for posting this comment. I have to say that you have completely shifted my perspective on the rape issue. I don't know if what you've cited applies to other countries besides America, but you have certainly convinced me that rape and sexual assault should not be discussed as an issue that primarily affects women. Hearing Mary Koss say that male rape is "unwanted contact" was eye-opening in revealing her clear delusions about rape. However, you made a mistake about the 2011 s…
/r/MensRights25/04/19 10:37 PM
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That's quitter talk!!
/r/MensRights25/04/19 09:53 PM
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Do you have a source for this?
/r/MensRights25/04/19 09:53 PM
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Assumed paternity is either when a married woman has a baby, or when a mother names a father who may not be present. In the first case in some countries the husband is automatically the legal father. In the second case the man must file to remove his name. If the deadline expires he automatically becomes the legal father. All of this could be thrown out the window with mandatory paternity testing at birth. It would also increase the detection rate of paternity fraud. Wow. I can't believe that pa…
/r/MensRights25/04/19 09:51 PM
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Trying to rationalize it as a fixable issue with the system is a way some people have of coping. Coping with living in a world where bad people exist. Would you rather at least do something to lessen rates of abuse or would you rather do nothing? Though theres truth to what you said, you could also say that "it will always be a problem" is an excuse to let it passively continue.
/r/MensRights25/04/19 09:39 PM
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I'm not convinced it can be won. But I suspect it will take an appeal to emotion strong enough to convince most women and a great many feminists. I don't think this is even possible, cause women in general don't care about men in general. I think that many women have been taught by society that they are special and need to be taken care of by men. Almost like they are raised to believe that they should be spoiled. Many women haven't woken up from this alternate reality yet. I grew up subconsciou…
/r/MensRights25/04/19 09:36 PM
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So you're saying the solution is to create a balance so that both men and women do both types of work rather than going back to traditional gender norms?
/r/MensRights25/04/19 09:29 PM
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Thanx to the feminist written VAWA men cannot even be DV victims and no funding is available to help them. Are you saying that male DV victims are never taken seriously? Are they at least taken seriously some percent of the time? What if this issue would be better posed as something separate to feminism or even an issue for feminists to address, not something separate from it? I'm sure there are feminists who support the idea that men are also DV victims. Perhaps they are passive to the idea of …
/r/MensRights25/04/19 09:27 PM
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Can you elaborate on some of these, especially fixing family law and schools, ending assumed paternity, and giving men reproductive rights? Fixing law and schools is a given to me, and would benefit both genders. I'm not sure what assumed paternity is. Reproductive rights to men is tricky, which is why I want to hear your elaboration on it. Right off the bat, it would be really controversial if men could override a woman's decision to get an abortion.
/r/MensRights25/04/19 09:02 PM
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I'd also like to say that while its great that girls are getting involved with STEM, I feel like it's being over done if that makes sense. You know, overly encouraging them to do it. And feminists are guilty of that. But anyway, I feel like we shouldn't be pulling for one or the other. I totally agree with you, especially on the STEM bit. Women shouldn't get special treatment just for pursuing that line of work. And I agree with you on everything else really. People should feel comfortable doing…
/r/MensRights25/04/19 08:59 PM
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I saw that article today. Shit, maybe I should make a video about it or something, something to add fire to the discussion. It is honestly weird to me that feminists are so adamant about silencing honest discussion about men's rights. Almost totalitarian. They get posted here occasionally, but I don't believe that this war will be won with data. Interesting, why do you think this? How do you think it might be won then? No men's advocates were even allowed to speak to congress during the VAWA hea…
/r/MensRights25/04/19 08:56 PM
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You seem to think that no one has thought of that up till now and that no one has tried. I'm sure people have tried, but you know the old cliche, Rome wasn't built in a day. Societal change requires persistence. It doesn't come easily because as you showed: You probably think fixing men's issues is easy because woman's issues get a lot of support and changes happen. But that's not the reality for men's issues at all, and most women are not onboard to help men either. Women's rights took more tha…
/r/MensRights25/04/19 08:46 PM
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You seem to be telling us here rather than listening. And what I am hearing is that all the things I've seen happen to divorced men did not happen. I do have a lot to learn as I am new to the men's rights movement. So far I'm only well-versed in intactivism. However, many concerns of the movement are valid and deserve more attention. There are inequalities with both genders of course. And both concerns deserve to be discussed so they can be adequately addressed. It sounds like you don't have a l…
/r/MensRights25/04/19 08:38 PM
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The issue here is the underlying reasons. As I said, she will keep it all in a divorce, he has no right to any of it and she will not be required to support him in the manner to which he has become accustomed. It's for her benefit. This is something that can be worked on. It is unfair for women to get all the money in a divorce, and if things are truly as unequal as you say, then we should fight for legal reform. Because it's diametrically opposed to every culture which has ever existed. Women a…
/r/MensRights25/04/19 08:08 PM
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They had that choice, and they made that choice. As a result, they no longer have a choice (for most women), and have to work. I don't see how that's a problem. Women should have to work. Men should too. The real problem is that both genders are having to work way too hard to simply survive in this country. It's stressing everyone out and it's turning everyone against each other.
/r/MensRights25/04/19 08:00 PM
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I completely agree. Traditional gender roles leverage and hurt men and women in different ways, to the point that two radical movements have risen (MRA/feminism) in which neither side understands each other. Erase gender quotas but provide objective education to kids on career options, then let kids decide what they want to pursue without societal pressure to lean a certain way. A study showed that in Sweden where gender roles are much more equal, women are even more likely to occupy traditional…
/r/MensRights25/04/19 07:57 PM
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Of course they exist. But sexual abuse and rape disproportionately affects females across the globe, and perpetrators have primarily been men.
/r/MensRights25/04/19 07:50 PM
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No, it won't. No one listens to men's issues. I do. And I am a woman. I want to fight for your rights as a human being. What does this even mean? The stereotype is that men go out and earn money, not care for children. The increase in active male parents is shocking to people who have believed for so long that only women are supposed to care for the children. That should tell you something. If your abstract theories described something in the real world, you would have supporting data and lots o…
/r/MensRights25/04/19 07:48 PM
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Themselves. I just showed you how that isn't true. Breadwinning moms provide their money to their stay-at-home husbands and their children. They are not only providing for themselves. Why is it hard to believe that women also care about providing and protecting, not just men? This is exactly what single moms do. There is the issue of child support for men, but women can't support the family on only that. They work to provide for their family too.
/r/MensRights25/04/19 07:42 PM
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Even better is that money should be put towards making these necessary jobs less gross and less emotionally distressing. So much unnecessary stuff goes into landfills because many people just don't care. We could come up with better ways to do plumbing too. And as it is, waaay too much money is being filtered into military spending. I don't think anyone really wants to kill other people in battle unless they're psychopathic, but so many soldiers just do what they're told and citizens sit idly by…
/r/MensRights25/04/19 07:32 PM
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Is there some basis your your optimism? Yes. The fact that opposition is becoming more visible is paradoxically a hopeful sign. The controversy will incite discussion, which in turn will lead to devising workable solutions and society ultimately accepting the change. The fact that women are responding viciously to this is an ode to new behavior challenging strongly held stereotypes. With time, as the practice becomes more common, the radical reactions will dissipate. But the tension of cognitive…
/r/MensRights25/04/19 07:28 PM
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As I said to the other user, stay-at-home dads and househusbands are becoming more common as more women become breadwinners. In that case, women are seeking to provide and protect. It would also be an inaccurate generalization to say all women who seek to earn money are doing it for personal security, because guaranteed there are men who earn money for personal security as well. They aren't mutually exclusive either. You can earn money both for personal security and to provide.
/r/MensRights25/04/19 07:09 PM
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Statistically, yes... yes only women seek a provider and protector. It is becoming more common for men to be stay-at-home dads while the wife wins the bread. It is also becoming more common for the couple to provide for and protect each other in a more balanced setup. Even the women making the most money are looking to marry someone who makes more than them. Their biggest complaint is that there aren't enough marriageable men at that level. And those that do exist don't want them. Can you cite a…
/r/MensRights25/04/19 07:03 PM
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It requires brave, ambitious souls who are willing to work hard in bringing people together to discuss how to create a better future for all.
/r/MensRights25/04/19 06:53 PM
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Women aren't going to drop out of pursuing their dreams and goals which they are rightfully allowed to pursue just because their entrance in the working world has increased prices.
/r/MensRights25/04/19 06:51 PM
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I certainly agree with that. I have a lot of ideas for how to combat this but it isn't just one change that needs to happen in order to alleviate the poverty issue. I'm thinking it's going to require a radical shift in how society works based on in-depth analysis.
/r/MensRights25/04/19 06:48 PM
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Not only women seek a provider or protector. And more women are seeking to be providers than ever in history.
/r/MensRights25/04/19 06:45 PM
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That's not entirely women's fault. I think the inflation is in part due to corporations banking off of the influx of labor workers, not due to women deciding they don't want to just stay at home anymore. Many women love working in STEM fields and leadership positions, and it's likely that their presence will continue to increase. What are you saying for current and future women in those fields? That they should quit and go back to being housewives, even if that's not what they want? Instead of t…
/r/MensRights25/04/19 06:35 PM
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Women tend to marry up Key phrase being "tend to". We might find that this tendency decreases in the next decades and women will be more comfortable being breadwinners, or at least divvying up the gender roles.
/r/MensRights25/04/19 06:24 PM
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That only works if they had a healthy father figure who was actually present in their lives and/or didn't abuse them.
/r/MensRights25/04/19 06:21 PM
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Being a househusband is a very bad idea, he will be ridiculed by women and men alike and he has no protections as the legal system is still arrayed against him if there is a divorce. He stands to lose everything, get charged CS at the going rate, and if he cannot pay it, jail. What a deal. In recent times, househusbands have been increasing in number, so while the idea has generally been met with ridicule in the past, trends suggest it will become more acceptable in the future. They're getting f…
/r/MensRights25/04/19 06:19 PM
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But don't teach men of course. /s
/r/MensRights25/04/19 06:14 PM
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Child abuse, such as sexual abuse of young girls, is still a problem in the US. How should we fix this?
/r/MensRights25/04/19 06:14 PM
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This is a great simple way to sum up the whole issue. Blurring of gender roles is fine and may naturally occur, but it shouldn't be forced down people's throats or federally incentivized just to increase diversity, though I think private scholarships are fine. Careers should be presented in an objective manner so kids can decide for themselves what they want to pursue, not pressured to pick certain things even if they don't want to do them as much.
/r/MensRights25/04/19 06:07 PM
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It's true that women are often not physically stronger than men (though with training they can get close), but physical strength doesn't matter in fields like politics and STEM fields. Do you support traditional gender roles for career fields which don't require brute physical strength? If not, why?
/r/MensRights25/04/19 06:02 PM
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Sorry, I reposted to add the second question to the title. In response to your original post: what are your thoughts on Tulsi Gabbard? I certainly agree that politics in general is largely an echo chamber popularity game. I'm hoping that with this increased social conflict as of late, honest and no-nonsense leaders will continue to step up to the plate and try to improve things while remaining open-minded and objective.
/r/MensRights25/04/19 06:00 PM
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This is really great to hear. Sounds like you've got a keeper at your side. Thanks for sharing, and I hope you are able to find healing from your mental illnesses as well, I know those can be a real bitch.
/r/MensRights25/04/19 05:57 PM
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That is not what I see when I open up Facebook, excuse me. Sounds like you need to expand your social circle. Almost every female on my mom's side of the family is a working woman, some are entrepreneurs and many have medical professions. Some are engineers. Why are the women you know so traditional? Well they want to feed their narcissistic ego. Sure working is better than staying home doing choirs, but they only do this so that they can dangle themselves before more men and sexualize the workp…
/r/MensRights25/04/19 05:46 PM
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Such as?
/r/MensRights25/04/19 03:48 PM
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Because men want to earn money and be succesful in lives. We don't want to clean dipers all day and do boring household choirs. We want meaning in our lives. I as a man I like using my creativity and innovation to build things that are useful to people. This is what men have been doing. Women don't want to do that boring stuff either. Women want to exercise creativity, earn money, be successful and have purpose in their lives too. Why do you think women are fighting so hard to be in the workforc…
/r/MensRights25/04/19 03:29 PM
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This is an honest question: if being a stay-at-home parent / housekeeper sounds so much more preferable to having a full-time job, then why don't you, and more men like you, take on those roles instead? I don't think your solution would do much to fix the issue, given that not all women are deceitful or disloyal, and in fact men are often deceitful as well. Both men and women cheat on each other. A better solution would be to teach kids how to have confidence and reach their full potential so th…
/r/MensRights25/04/19 10:34 AM
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You bring up some interesting points to think about. But how were men and women equal in more religious times? Considering also that men were still disproportionately in charge of running countries than women ever were. I think the idea about technology leveraging women is interesting. But I think to many women, cleaning the house isn't exactly a privilege, so having an easier time cleaning the house doesn't make women more privileged than men. I am not advocating for returning to the past, but …
/r/MensRights24/04/19 11:08 PM
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Natural equality, and let nature shape the relationship between men and women, and not crazy SJW activists who know nothing about evolutionary biology or gender psychology. Total appeal to nature isn't the right way either, because then we have stuff like unchecked sexual abuse and rape, but I'm curious what you mean by "letting" nature shape the relationship between the genders. The more humans evolve, the more they distance themselves from classical evolutionary biology, and natural isn't alwa…
/r/MensRights24/04/19 07:34 PM
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We need a movement in which we fight for people's rights regardless of gender or age. But I don't know what to call it.
/r/MensRights24/04/19 07:18 PM
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In states where reproductive health education is effective, honest, and extensive, accidental pregnancy rates are much lower. I'm not a supporter of abortion, but consider this situation from the female perspective. You have to go through 9 months of unwanted pain, nausea, vomiting, contempt from people who don't support you, stress, and to top it all off, the excruciating ordeal of childbirth, which can permanently ruin a woman's body and even kill her. Who wouldn't want the ability to opt out …
/r/MensRights24/04/19 03:35 PM
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Thanks for the welcome lol, glad to be here. First...yeah, maybe woman still suffers somewhat. More sexual harassment are reported and 'small' things like that. I say 'small' because ultimately those are 'local' problems. Abuse happens locally, yet it's a systemic problem. Systemic bias against men also affects men locally, but it's a systemic problem. That is to say, sexual abuse is no less an issue because it happens locally, even if it's one of the only real problems that American women face …
/r/MensRights24/04/19 08:03 AM
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War-rape and sexual assault isn't, and has never been, an issue faced by only women. It's a bit ridiculous to say it's an example of oppression of women, and only women, when even today it happens to both. Of course, I agree that sexual assault and rape have historically affected both men and women. I never said it was only faced by women. I mentioned rape because it has generally been shown to be more commonly committed against women by men. Perhaps you could find evidence that that isn't true,…
/r/MensRights24/04/19 07:44 AM
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This was told to you no doubt by the same ideological feminists who told you the other bit Yes I know. Feminists think that women were oppressed, while men think that women just didn't want to do what men were doing. Turns out both happened in the style of a feedback loop. there is, again, no evidence. No record of such oppression. i really doubt you will believe me, but if you were to LOOK for it, look for it in the record, not repeated circular references to it, not impressions and feelings an…
/r/MensRights24/04/19 07:05 AM
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You're right, and I think that perspective is more of a stereotype that I've been raised to believe about men. But even if men haven't historically been emotional or vulnerable, perhaps we're at a point now where encouraging emotional expression is a worthy solution to the increasing suicide rates? Another, and imho much more likely explanation is a rise in 'self hatred' and 'hopelessness' among men who have been taught that all men are responsible for oppressing women, see, men love women, and …
/r/MensRights24/04/19 06:46 AM
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What is emotional/social incest?
/r/MensRights17/04/19 01:26 AM
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MRIs require that the patient remain still. In orser to get an effective MRI on a newborn, they need sedation. Do they really need sedation? What if you give them some food that promotes sleepiness (melatonin?) and/or wrap the baby tightly in a blanket, wait for the baby to be asleep? Also, couldn't the board be convinced that circumcision itself is already ethically questionable, and the fact that we've never even tried to see the effects on the brain is a big red flag, given that the babies ar…
/r/MensRights12/04/19 05:28 PM
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It could cause more harm, but kids who are already going to be circumcised are going to be harmed anyway. There just needs to be definitive proof that babies are psychologically harmed by circumcision before it can be drastically reduced.
/r/MensRights12/04/19 04:40 PM
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The child isn't volunteering himself to circumcision either.
/r/MensRights12/04/19 04:38 PM
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You could wait for the baby to fall asleep before putting him in there or feed him something that promotes sleepiness, or have him go in there with his mom, or you could wrap his body in a blanket snugly so that he doesn't move around so much.
/r/MensRights12/04/19 04:37 PM
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You could wait for the baby to fall asleep before putting him in there or feed him something that promotes sleepiness, or have him go in there with his mom, or you could wrap his body in a blanket snugly so that he doesn't move around so much.
/r/MensRights12/04/19 04:36 PM
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Yes, that's the study I'm referring to in the second paragraph.
/r/MensRights12/04/19 04:33 PM
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Why is that? Do you predict that the babies' brain functioning would generally be normal?
/r/MensRights12/04/19 06:23 AM
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Yes, unfortunately expensive. The problem is even if it's already known to some, it's not convincing to the rest of the population. This could be the evidence the intactivist movement needs to drastically reduce the still oddly high rates of circumcision nationwide!
/r/MensRights12/04/19 06:04 AM
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Thanks for the link, I'll read this more in-depth when I have more time. the problem is that no-one wants to admit that hundreds of millions of men are permanently sexually damaged because part of their penis was chopped off as a baby. It's easier to keep mutilating boys than to admit it's harmful. This has to be one of the saddest parts about this issue in all honesty. Many have believed their whole lives that getting cut is normal. Clearly there's gonna be a lot more cognitive dissonance when …
/r/MensRights12/04/19 05:35 AM
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It's not. But circumcision is an easier issue to address.
/r/MensRights12/04/19 04:22 AM
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Okay. I'm assuming I can find out more about how to do that online? That would require some heavy campaigning on my part I would assume?
/r/MensRights12/04/19 03:13 AM
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That's such bullshit if true!
/r/MensRights12/04/19 02:46 AM
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Lol. Doctors don't want it to be revealed that circumcision is a dumb idea?
/r/MensRights12/04/19 02:45 AM
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What if I'm not a researcher? Would I have to find one who would be willing to do the research?
/r/MensRights12/04/19 01:56 AM
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I really don't want to believe that this is true, but I know there are a few groups (namely religious ones and groups that have a financial incentive to continue routine circumcision) that would be negatively impacted by this research should it reveal incriminating information. But I want this research to happen. How can we make it happen?
/r/MensRights12/04/19 01:46 AM
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Because pregnancy and childbirth are the worst things a woman can be put through and can lead to lifelong health effects and problems, so forcing her to go through 9 months of hell to harvest a baby is kinda weird. Like I said though, the focus should be less on making abortion more accessible and more on decreasing the rates of accidental pregnancies as much as possible.
/r/MensRights11/04/19 08:39 PM
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Just because some people want to get it done doesn't mean everyone does. What about men who find the downsides outweighed the benefits for them? Those people will have to live the rest of their lives negatively affected by someone else's decision.
/r/MensRights11/04/19 08:28 PM
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Morally pro-life, legally pro-choice, and overall in favor of funding education on better sex practices to lessen accidental pregnancies, as well as improving birth control because currently, the symptoms of birth control suck.
/r/MensRights11/04/19 12:23 AM
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I think some doctors who believe strongly in the practice might keep doing it, but if we assume that most doctors do it for money, then yes that would probably end it. But, some parents who strongly believe in it would go to those doctors and get it done for free, aka there would still be demand.
/r/MensRights08/04/19 03:34 AM
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Fair point. I think they are comparable only to a certain degree, in that they are both genital mutilation. I think I'm coming at it from an ethical/generalist point of view which has its downfalls. You're right, disagreement and improvement from such disagreement can only be valuable. I think I understand your original point, and in future debates on the topic it will be beneficial for me to bring up the information you stated about the nerve endings of the foreskin, even perhaps mentioning as …
/r/MensRights08/04/19 12:25 AM
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It is good to make the comparison because it shows nonsensical double standards and furthers the main point that all types of non-consensual genital mutilation should be banned. It is a fruitless endeavor to argue over which type of mutilation is more damaging or not, because all of them are bad. Doesn't matter if the foreskin has more nerve endings than the clitoris. All forced genital mutilation is bad. You're stuck arguing about something pointless. All that matters is we're on the same side …
/r/MensRights07/04/19 11:49 PM
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My problem is the fact that this is a fruitless argument. Chopping genitals without consent is a big fat no, regardless of how many nerve endings are involved. Also, just because the foreskin has more nerve endings than the clitoris doesn't mean it is synonymous with the clitoris. This is the image I'm talking about that compares the two types of genitalia. As you can see, the head of the penis is similar to the clitoris in this regard: https://web.duke.edu/anatomy/siteParts/Netter_Presenter_Gal…
/r/MensRights07/04/19 11:01 PM
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Thank you for the warning, really puts things into perspective. I feel less nervous about presenting the topic to the class and I think in the end it would be worth it.
/r/MensRights07/04/19 10:52 PM
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Wouldn't that just increase instances of circumcision lol?
/r/MensRights07/04/19 10:49 PM
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Because for some reason society sees one of them as far worse than the other one.
/r/MensRights07/04/19 10:48 PM
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How do you feel about universal basic income =P If an actually workable solution can be devised, then it could be a good thing. I'll have to check out Andrew Yang though, thanks for the heads up.
/r/MensRights07/04/19 10:19 PM
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Does it really matter when both should be equally outlawed from being practiced non-consensually on children?
/r/MensRights07/04/19 10:17 PM
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Lol putting them in labor camps would probably strengthen their beliefs about it. I appreciate these suggestions, thank you. I believe I have to start with making an even better argument, which could then be put in literature and such.
/r/MensRights07/04/19 07:34 PM
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But if you look at a diagram of how the two types of genitals compare to one another, it shows that the clit develops into the head of the penis. But I agree that comparisons are hard to define in a simple way.
/r/MensRights07/04/19 07:31 PM
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So how do I go about changing society's opinion that circumcision is a right?
/r/MensRights07/04/19 07:22 PM
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So the Supreme Court would be the ones to challenge over what procedures are covered by insurance companies? If MGM became less socially acceptable, would the Supreme Court have to follow suit? Or are the other branches of government also involved?
/r/MensRights07/04/19 07:12 PM
2

Can you name specific people? Is it just the global religious leaders?
/r/MensRights07/04/19 07:10 PM
3

Okay but my point is that the tip of the penis is basically like the clitoris anatomically. That's interesting that there are 22,000 nerve endings in the foreskin and just more support for the need to illegalize all kinds of genital mutilation.
/r/MensRights07/04/19 06:57 PM
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How can genital mutilation ever be right when you are irreversibly chopping off a part of the body without consent? That's the core of the issue. Any permanent alteration to someone's genitals without their consent is never right unless it is a medical emergency. It's just funny that people vehemently fight for the right to put a knife on their baby. It's really not a right anyone should have over a person, let alone a baby.
/r/MensRights07/04/19 06:54 PM
2

Oof. That's like millions of people who belong to that group...
/r/MensRights07/04/19 06:41 PM
8

While true, that means that millions of babies are still being circumcised in the meantime. Why wait a few decades until it phases out when I can do something right now?
/r/MensRights07/04/19 06:05 PM
1

Make sure the doctors at the hospital you go to don't try to force you to get him circumcised. Sounds like some hospitals are adamant about people getting it done.
/r/MensRights07/04/19 05:53 PM
3

This is the worst fucking thing I've ever read. I'm so sorry. People fucking suck. You should sue them.
/r/MensRights07/04/19 05:33 PM
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