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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_evolutionary_psychology https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBaurTo7VAI https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/four-fallacies-of-pop-evolutionary-2012-12-07/ So on and so forth. The short version is that evo psych makes a hypothesis and when we investigate it, we find that this hypothesis does not hold up under scrutiny. So far basically none of what evo psychologists say is true. This MAY change in the future. If so, that's awesome! I can go back to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 08:22 PM
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Evolution is a false prophet. We were put here by aliens to observe how hairless apes with only a tenth of our fathers species brains would react to stimuli they provide. Its been all foretold in the crop circles man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 08:20 PM
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All Brahmins are super tall and sexy dude. :v
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 08:14 PM
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Say it with your chest, which religion is the one true religion?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:52 PM
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So if you throw out evopsych you have to throw out all psychology. Let's throw out all of then.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:50 PM
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What if you're sexually assaulted by a lightning bolt?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:18 PM
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I used to like evopsych until I did a deep dive into its true methodology and right now it's basically in the 'slightly more true than chiropractory." in terms of scientific merits. If you do more research you will also learn this. Could evopsych become a better more accurate truthful scientific endeavor in the future? Yes. Right now its not there. And it make perfect sense from an evopsych/biology perspective. At its most basic level attraction is based on whether someone will be suitable for p…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:11 PM
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unless it's a dumb degree with very little real world applications like philosophy Hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaa. Some of the most important breakthroughs in all of human history were on the backs of people influenced by philosophy. Literally the most important writers, sans religious texts, are philosophers. Our humanity itself is likely perfectly encapsulated by philosophy's pursuit of understanding the universe.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 04:27 PM
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I don’t think sex work is healthy or liberating for women, but I understand the economic conditions and possibilities that make women choose it, and I still want them to have the ability to practice their chosen work safely. Men shouldn’t have to find sex work attractive or appealing though. These are contradictory stances though. Sex work can be liberating for some women. Why? Because their economic conditions allow for it to be the best option for them at that time. Men shouldn't judge negativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 04:21 PM
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Two of those things are going to narrow 90% of women down to like 10% of women. Most women are a little chubby. Most women have 1 kid by 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 04:19 PM
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Honestly... yes. If you're absolutely desperate. You want X but won't jump through Y hoops to get it, then you're not truly deserving of X. If you're a 1/10 through 5/10 dude and you REALLY want a girlfriend, date any intellectually stimulating girl you can find that finds YOU attractive, even if you don't find her to be the cutest girl on the block. As long as she's not repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 04:16 PM
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I could get behind this thesis. I know looking at photos of my dad and uncles/aunts friends hanging on in the 70s and 80s and even 90s, most people were much more in shape. Even the chubbier people were like 20 pounds overweight, not 50+ pounds. If we want to get into the evopsych / BIOLOGY~~~~~! argument, maybe humans don't find super chubby features as attractive. I kind of doubt this... but in theory its possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 04:10 PM
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Agreed but I know I can help change my gender's group identity on this, I can't change theirs. I can only encourage them to change theirs. True change comes from within.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 04:01 PM
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She's dogpilled bro. ;o
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:58 PM
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I think you should and it sounds like a sweet partnership. However I don't think most women want that for themselves for now.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:57 PM
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Roommates and friends rarely do the kind of "ask anything of me" day to day favors I've found this to be the exact opposite, assuming the 'ask' isn't something ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:56 PM
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I mean this says more about how other men treat men, than how we treat women. We need to stop being assholes to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:49 PM
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I mean this is 'main character syndrome' and both men and women do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:48 PM
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Yes. I'm sorry you think all DV is the exact same but it ain't. Emotionally and physically the nuances matter within a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:21 PM
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Post Nut Clarity is definitely a real thing, although I don't know how much it negatively benefits men. If anything it's a positive thing if it is remembered at a later date to save a dude from doing something dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 06:24 PM
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People have been using birth control for thousands of years. Yes it wasn't as good as what we have now, but people then didn't know that. Casual sex has been around for tens of thousands of years, judging by anthropological records. So yes you could sleep with random people in your village or surrounding villages, or your nomadic tribesmen if that society allowed for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 05:56 PM
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I get your point, I disagree with it. Its not hypocrisy. I feel the same way for lesbians that learn to stop DV as I do for heteros that stop. I try to be realistic though about which group 'tries' harder to stop(lesbians.)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 05:33 PM
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i don't wanna so i won't
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 05:32 PM
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bruh i thought women will cheat and ditch you for chad if he looks in her direction?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 05:20 PM
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Some men do and succesfully do.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 05:20 PM
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Men will date anyone that gives them the time of day. The question is are they in it for the long term or short term.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 04:42 PM
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Is he actually making up like lesbians do or is it faking it and will continue to abuse later? The point is that lesbians genuinely do mean what they say and try their best to rectify it. I'd say the same for any guy following through as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 04:40 PM
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Yet have you seen the type of guys that end up on those forums? They aren't 8/10 dudes. They're 5/10 dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 04:36 PM
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Also adding to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships Stats here flat out disprove what OP is saying. Most women are dating in their same age range and looksrange/statusrange/etc. 5/10 women are going for 3/10-7/10 men depending on that particular woman's desires, her life experiences, and what area of the world she lives in. Maybe you get some 5/10s in say LA or NYC holding out for 9/10 dudes, but they're not a significant enough part of the population to matt…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 04:36 PM
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That thread keeps getting worse :o
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 03:43 PM
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Lilith why are you back? Are you here to destroy the manosphere?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:47 PM
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I'm aware that this was a pretty rigorous study with a lot of participants, but when it comes to anything sex related, every single data point is untestable and unprovable. And they will remain so until people allow researchers into their bedrooms, or they start calling up participants' sexual partners for verification. People don't lie like you think they do. We don't need to be inside the bedroom itself to know what someone does. You ask honest people, which you weed out with questionnaires th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:44 PM
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Ehh most of the guys I see into cuckolding are chadlites or former chads themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:40 PM
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Kinky.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:39 PM
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The foot thing makes sense when you realize its an early childhood origin story usually. Cuckolding is simply "My man/wife is so fucking hot that they can get any man/woman they desire.. and that kind of power is hot." It's voyeurism taken to the extreme in a way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:38 PM
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Humans seem to be on a spectrum of attraction and there are far more 2s-thru-5s than 1s and 6s, to borrow an analogy from the Kinsey Scale(which no it isn't a perfect system of identifying attraction.) I think the "born this way" stuff was very important bridge for moderates/conservatives to understand why queer people think that way they think, but I don't think there's any current evidence of biological hardcoded homosexual attraction. Our attractions seem to be based on our childhoods, then t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:29 PM
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I honestly don't. It makes me heavily question the survey and sample population itself. Does not compute with real world intuition.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:23 PM
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This is a lot rarer now a days with updated information on DV and so many people having cameras around. In general if only one person has marks on them, the other person regardless of gender may be sought for a criminal offense. If both people have marks, it's going to depend on police discretion or district policy. Any DV is wrong, but we shouldn't conflate a woman slapping you with a man or woman punching and kicking the hell out of you. Certain actions can have more damaging effects on our bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:20 PM
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Assaulted.. how? Context?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 01:53 PM
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Deleted... what was it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 01:24 PM
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Pretty much only older women buy those novels though... My aunts + grandmother had like a 200+ romance novel collection they shared between them. For older women that is definitely a common fantasy they had. Newer fantasy aimed at younger women do not follow the same tropes. Look at Edward and WerewolfBoy from Twilight, or the douchebro from Hunger Games.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 01:23 PM
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In 2011, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released the 2010 results of their National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey and report that 44% of lesbian women, 61% of bisexual women, and 35% of heterosexual women experienced domestic violence in their lifetime.[408] This same report states that 26% of gay men, 37% of bisexual men, and 29% of heterosexual men experienced domestic violence in their lifetime.[408] A 2013 study showed that 40.4% of self-identified lesbians a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 12:41 PM
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I doubt heterosexual women have sexual experience of gay male sex. New Ick Unlocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 12:38 PM
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Men are more violent in relationships with women due to cultural and statistical reasons. Has female-on-male violence gone up in the past 50 years? Yes, quite a lot actually. It is still less than male-on-female violence. We should also be clear about what we mean by violence and the impacts of that violence. Smacking someone, something women tend to do, is much less damaging psychologically and physiologically than punching full force with knuckles, something a man is more likely to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 12:37 PM
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If you ask many women to describe their relationships, and then ask other women to go "Would you rather live in this relationship or that relationship" I can guarantee you that most women would choose the lesbian relationship overall. The things women are looking for, lesbian relationships provide ten fold. They get the companionship, they get the protection, they get the romantic stuff, they get the sexual libido compatibility stuff, they get all the emotional rollercoaster stuff, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 12:34 PM
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If the DV ceases to exist, then yes forgiveness can be a smart long term strategy. If you forgive and keep being DV'd, then it's a hollow forgiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 12:27 PM
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If lesbians were in relationships with men, then they're not lesbians... THIS IS NOT HOW SEXUALITY WORKS.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 12:25 PM
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How far into lesbian subculture are you then? Because I have lesbian friends that explain these things in logical ways. One, the type of DV that is usually going on is slapping, pinching, pushing, hair pulling, throwing objects, and other low effort contact. Very rarely are women in a DV situation punching, kicking, stabbing, twisting ligaments, severe pushing down, holding someone until submission, etc. that males tend to do. So the overall type of violence and the type of injuries are both dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 12:22 PM
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He's too busy putting his fingers up against another dude's gooch.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 08:04 PM
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What a weird ass combo... lets market that candle to BB&B!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 08:03 PM
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Her eye glass game is still on point, I guess you can take the man out of the streets, but you can't change the eyeglasses under the sheets.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 08:02 PM
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Cloaks and capes? Cuz this is how you get cloaks and capes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 08:00 PM
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Men should wear kilts more(and yes culturally appropriation it from the Scots and Irish.) Women should wear those super slick pants suits more often where everything is super shiny and yet her ass and tits look amazing in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 08:00 PM
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Biden just committed 2000 troops to Israel. This is how World War 3 begins... As President Joe Biden considers traveling to Israel in a show of solidarity, about 2,000 U.S. troops have been told to get ready to deploy − possibly to the Middle East − in anticipation of an Israeli ground invasion of Gaza aimed at crushing the Hamas militant group that rules the war-battered enclave. The American soldiers would not be sent to Israel but could be assigned to other countries in the region for support…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 07:59 PM
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I figure 1/10 is physically deformed. 2/10 fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch but nothing deformed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 07:57 PM
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Agreed. Many people don't understand acquittances vs deep close friendships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 07:57 PM
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Some people grow up faster than others and learn things about the world faster.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 07:47 PM
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Hated spinach and kale as a kid and now its my favorite two leafy greens. I had a long talk with my mom a while back "You're normally a decent cook growing up but why on earth did you make the nastiest greens for us?" Did not get a good answer. How you prepare something and what seasonings you put with it make a world of difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 07:46 PM
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New Ick unlocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 07:44 PM
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Your life experience doesn't trump mine. Mine + others trump yours. Its that simple. You can think its a mass conspiracy against you or trust in others.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 07:37 PM
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2/10. 3/10s know their worth and would tell you to f off.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 07:34 PM
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Nope. Too many men and women with large friend groups have said they would not sleep with a friend no matter what. IMHO people that believe that men and women cannot be genuine platonic friends I think suffer from hypersexuality disorders, or lack the ability to trust another human is telling you the full honest truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 07:00 PM
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https://old.reddit.com/r/DeadBedrooms/comments/178zums/former_cam_girl_wife_got_naked_for_strangers_but/ Ok that's a genuine betabux scenario, they do exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 06:54 PM
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Nope. 99% of life involves social interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 06:45 PM
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Great post and it'll likely get ignored. Men here mostly want a cheat code. Perhaps Gen Alpha/Z men grew up with the ability to have "strategy guides" for everything and this has screwed up their ideas around relationships(and other topics as well.) I've noticed the same guys that get hung up on dating in the modern era also get hung up on geopolitical topics, hobby topics, long term parenting topics, career topics. They genuinely might not understand how human relationships are supposed to work…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 06:33 PM
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Proof men are superior. You set a goal and we'll obtain it. Funny short story: A girl friend of mine once had a date where the guy's ride had "died" and she had to pick him up from his shitty lil apartment, he didn't think of a good place to take her so they went to McDonald's, and he "forgot" his wallet so she paid for the whole date. And he tried kissing her and asking her to come up to his apartment at the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 06:27 PM
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What kinds of conversational things allowed you to weed out the casual sex obsessed men from the genuine LTR looking men?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 06:02 PM
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Glory = murder spree or Glory = cured cancer(but still can't get laid)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 05:54 PM
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Wrong. 8+ are all 5'10 or taller. Women trying to max their gains gotta get taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 05:54 PM
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Save up to fly to china to get that leg lengthen procedure.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 05:53 PM
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Devils' Triangle.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 05:51 PM
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66877718 "One day my daughter came out of school and she said 'Mum there are photos circulating of me topless'," says María Blanco Rayo, the mother of a 14-year-old. "I asked her if she had taken any photos of herself nude, and she said, 'No, Mum, these are fake photos of girls that are being created a lot right now and there are other girls in my class that this has happened to as well.'" So far more than 20 girls, aged between 11 and 17, have come forwar…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 05:50 PM
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I mean relatively speaking, yes. A choice that is made due to socialization factors from childhood pushing some amount of men to make that choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 05:42 PM
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I mean Star Wars yes, anime no. Anime is still a niche, larger today than in the 90s, but still not that mainstream with older folks. A lot of women don't watch anime and about 40%+ of men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 05:41 PM
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Men of the current 18-35 generation are used to being able to do things by themselves to make themselves feel momentary happiness and blissness. We have so many outlets now compared to in the past where in general you could only truly be happy with people around you. Also you tended to be forced into more social situations in the past, now a days you can isolate for months or years without non-job related intimacy between friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 04:55 PM
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Most people in LA are dating someone and not just single.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 04:08 PM
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Thousand times this. Such a simple elegant paragraph that sums it up. We lead much more isolated lifestyles than in the past. We see in other countries where people cannot be isolated, that those men are dating just fine. A dude in Niger is absolutely slaying it right now looking at their stats. Same goes for many other places.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 04:05 PM
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Lots of attractive confident men watch Anime and Star Wars too. How many do you think statistically speaking? 10%? 30%? 80%?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 03:11 PM
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Milkshake dates should def be a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 05:42 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fd993au2q5vtb1.jpg Y'all women can't even handle this much dick, admit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 05:41 PM
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Ok from now on if you're a woman and you're open to being approached by guys, you'll wear a red bracelet on your left wrist. Guys will wear a yellow bracelet on their left wrist. It's lesbian finger flagging but for autistic dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 04:44 PM
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I agree it'd be a better world. You and I don't have that power to implement it though. We can help spread the good word, practice what we preach. That is all we can do. We can acknowledge other people are different than us, in this case 'women' tend to not give 100% clear signals. That's fine, we will manage and find ways around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 04:41 PM
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Some people are definitely inconsistent with how they act around others. I do think though, most of us are fairly consistent at least on the general stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 04:36 PM
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I'd probably explode if i tried but dont tempt me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 04:35 PM
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This is definitely ChatGPT level of conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 04:30 PM
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I'm a core millennial (mid 30s) and I've never known another millennial where the mom even put in half the work the dad did. This idea of the mom doing cooking or cleaning is completely foreign. My dad would drive to work, work all day, get the groceries, then make the dinner. My mom wouldn't do shit. Most couples are like that. This seems completely alien to me for the most part. I did have one or two 'super dad' couples that I was friends with and saw that their dads went above and beyond in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 04:26 PM
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You do realize 40% of men grew up with conservativism in our lives and now reject that mentality in all aspects of our lives? Just because you were raised one way, doesn't mean you end up that way. Especially in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 04:18 PM
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I know tiktokers don't represent all women, and I know obviously there's a lot of progressive women etc.. More progressive women of all races than traditional women, at least on english speaking tik tok. What you're seeing are outliers of red pill/no pill women that are talking about 'icks' in a serious way. Most of the 'ick' stuff is played up for comedy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 04:15 PM
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They genuinely believe its the start of the collapse of all western civilization. It's irrational its dumb its stupid but its what they think will happen if women go their own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 04:10 PM
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Well it helps if you have a local coffee spot that has a themed room with super big couches and little hide-aways you can slip into for a long drawn out conversation about yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 03:58 PM
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I'm gonna say area. I'm in the south and single moms aren't like that for the most part. They want you as their savior though, to make all the drama of the past X years go away forever. They come on strong and hot(and wet...)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 03:31 PM
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LOL where is this post?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 03:29 PM
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Close enough to be looks matched. He's like a top 50 geek in the youtuber world, so 9/10 in terms of personality/ambition.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 03:29 PM
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I could eat 48 rolls of sushi so I can't hate on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 03:27 PM
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I really do hate how some women view coffee dates as "you must be broke!" when in reality they're just "I want a super chill vibe to just sit and talk and get to know each other."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 03:24 PM
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So slip some ketamine into her coffee on a coffee date? Ok check mark.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 03:22 PM
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You're falling apart. 18 going on 80.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 03:21 PM
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Don’t even get me started on single mothers. It’s like the above but worse. Exact opposite response I got from dating single moms. They were starved for adult attention and the slightest small things would get them extremely excited in me. They were almost too enthusiastic to a degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 03:18 PM
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I'd assume she had a major crush on you and is taking a shot she should have long time ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 07:55 PM
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She wants to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 07:47 PM
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Well he gets to live with her for the rest of his life, with all the positive things that entails.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 03:34 PM
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I don't even have the same relationship with myself at any particular time in my life. Things do change. However, the core philosophy behind how I treat others is universal and I do my best to apply to everyone in my life(including you as a stranger.) You'll have to be specific about "same rate". I view everyone as equally as I humanly can, with the understanding I know I have biases that are hard to identify. Trolley problem and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 02:16 PM
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This is 90% of people. Most people in most places on earth 'stay in their league' class/looks/social status wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 02:12 PM
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It’d be monetised, it’d be strewn through academia and all that. Relationship and sexual health is a major wing of the Humanities, and some of the best selling books of all time were about relationships and sexual health. People are absolutely monetizing it. Look at OLD profits(and lack thereof...) and the potential for future profits in that sector. What prevents some company from having a monopoly on it is that there are a dozen or more different dating styles and mentalities out there today. …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 02:09 PM
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So it seems like you are making the guy who has more qualities you want, pay a premium price for something you gave away for free. The long term guy is going to get that all the time, including sharing all her kinks and freaky things with him. The 'pump and dump' dude isn't getting the full her like the LTR guy is. Now admittedly theres lot of guys that don't care about the LTR her, they're only there for the short term her. When those guys are made to wait, yeah I understand being annoyed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 02:06 PM
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In terms of how I morally treat them? Yes. Everyone gets the same fair shot at my attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 02:01 PM
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Heterosexual women tend to have an intense desire to feel "full" and do want something inside them during sexual masturbation. Heck a lot of lesbians do too for that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 01:56 PM
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That's actually kind of a fun point. Women have had dildos for 6000 years but where were the male sex toys? When do penetrative male sex toys show up on the historic timeline?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 01:55 PM
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OP knows the pleasures of the fuckbot 5000 with semen collection tray but doesn't know the pleasures of prostate stimulation. What a dweeb.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 01:52 PM
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FYI wasn't it that men overrate our intelligence/knowledge? I'm sure women overrate their appearance, but severely underrate their knowledge where dudes are the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 01:50 PM
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I was making a joke about you only needing a little bit of zombie makeup because your costume would be a bloody butcher apron.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 07:46 PM
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I've slept a total of 10 hrs in the last 4-5 days. Fuckfuckfuckfuck please get more sleep. An absolute, dogshit minimum 5.5+ hours and that's not healthy but you should get at least a little bit of REM sleep. I hope you're not driving. ;((
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 07:45 PM
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Butcher?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 07:38 PM
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"So uh... you're married, with children you fathered, and happily having sex 2-3 times a week?" "Yup!" "..." Sounds like a great show imho. Need some normalcy in the lives of the -cel people to get a taste of the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 07:38 PM
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She's got 4 different baby daddies and dreams about that one time this handsome suave dude came into her store and invited her to coffee...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 07:36 PM
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They were... lol. Read some history of sexuality studies some time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:01 PM
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We do a proportional thing with our incomes. I make more than she does, roughly 1.5 to 2x as much as her. So I pay for more stuff overall. She still contributes her 'half' its just a different half than the one I'm contributing. She buys me food and things all the time. I do the same for her. It works out in the wash.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:00 PM
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He turned a really bleh acting career into being the hottest male Rap/R&B singers of all time. He's like 1 #1 hit away from tying Michael fucking Jackson for all time number ones. I wonder if there's a correlation between being a major male pop star and being a pedo... (and yes Drake is a fucking pedo, he's definitely ate Millie Brown's asshole out at least once).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 05:52 PM
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I'm at work right now...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 05:50 PM
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Start an onlyfans.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 05:49 PM
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I'm a god. (Man)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:59 PM
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^ This. More than anything drug dealers are very interesting, high on life kind of people usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:46 PM
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It also found less than 25% of matches are looking for a long-term relationship Wow what a fucked up statistic. Goes to show you that tinder really is the 'hookup' app and Bumble/Hinge are the dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:43 PM
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This is my argument... because I lived it. Super average dude, tall though, and did pretty well on OLD/older websites. Had two longish term relationships through tinder(both in a small market for 'decent' guys though... less than 50,000 men in general area) Had more success through older dating sites like OKCupid/POF, arguably they were more set up for women to "settle" for a good hard working dude rather than getting boned by chadlite.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:42 PM
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Since the whole benzo russia thing he has doubled down on being the alt-right dog whistle boogeyman, except he's blatant about his hatred now. Boring 12 rules Peterson was fine, most leftists I know actually liked about 9-10 out of the 12 rules since they're basic good philosophy for self help when you're severely depressed. Cleaning your room can help your mental outlook in a bizarre way that our human brains work. Of course JBP-Messy-Office.jpg tells us how much of this he practices vs preache…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:39 PM
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Yearly / whenever a major project gets finished and you think you can sell your bosses on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:37 PM
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Imma slaaaaave 4 u.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:36 PM
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Photos tell me everything I need to know. She's too chunky for her friend group, and her face is kinda meh. She needs fatter friends and work on her wardrobe/makeup skillz. She also looks really sad in every photo.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:31 PM
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Make her swallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:29 PM
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What? In between filming Degrassi he murked a fool on the corner?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:28 PM
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Men are bashed about not organizing their homes, simple to nonexistent decor, often pretty messy, low effort etc. But here is a different perspective Many men do not value things like cute decor, folded laundry, home goods, organized living spaces etc. I mean sorry but having a messy disorganized house is objectively worse than having a tidy lived in home. Its just a fact, jack. It wouldn't shock me though that the amount of men having problems dating right now are more 'libertarian' minded. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:26 PM
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I guess the BBCpill is just the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:23 PM
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Based and nopill-pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:21 PM
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Getting killed over pussy is not worth it He died as he came.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 07:24 PM
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mods change his flair to 'granddad BBW connoisseur'
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 07:20 PM
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Seconding yes. My mom had me at 20 and was married, had a fledging new nursing career, and a newly bought house.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 07:18 PM
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I dunno some men like to be dominated like monkeys, clearly that's a positive 'i sleep'.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 07:17 PM
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Only the dudes that understand arbitrage are happy with Draft Kings. Everyone else is getting fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 07:15 PM
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Are you gonna patch them with a cool piece of fabric or put them in the 'weekend wear' drawer.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 07:14 PM
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Harlot. Slattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 07:13 PM
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Men get bitter about the exes. Women just want to vent(mostly.)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 07:12 PM
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Whats your daily cuddle tax?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 07:10 PM
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I mean its important for them to distance themselves from classic marxists because, well, communism from the Bloc just didn't do that well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 06:34 PM
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Who the fuck lives on a campus? We have a pretty big campus downtown but people get outside of it all the time when they have off days, and there's chunky people that go there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 06:32 PM
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Those men they want don't want them back for a relationship. Delusional. Same with the -cels here that ignore the type fo women they really should be trying to go for.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:58 PM
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Swiping on all would kill your ability to see actual active women, many people have tested this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:56 PM
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Most modern tankies aren't M-L but neomarxists that incorporate new ideas into the framework engels and marx worked on for explaining why capitalism does what it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:54 PM
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Go out into the suburbs. Toronto is pretty walkable so I imagine you might see less fat folk in the city compared to outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:53 PM
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Its almost like egalitarianism if practiced would solve this problem...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:51 PM
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Its pretty damn rare to meet an actual M-Ler on reddit. Even r/stupidpol where those people are supposed to exist there aren't any. M-Ls don't believe torture and rape are ends to the means btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:35 PM
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Raping and torturing Jewish women is justified Link. I'm keeping up with the rhetoric pretty well and this isnt what I've seen at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:33 PM
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Rules: Swipe right on everyone. Then you fucked your algorithm up and you're doomed. If you swipe on everything its gonna think youre a bot or a loser. Swipe on any person you read their entire bio and said "Yes I'd like to know more."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:31 PM
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I feel like if y'all gonna do something she needs to come to you. If you go to her, you're gonna end up getting shot or some shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:30 PM
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rarely do I ever see an out of shape guy in general and the few I do are typically unsuccessful with women Where the fuck do you live? I'm in one of the largest southern cities and plenty of dudes are out of shape, arguably up to 60%+.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:28 PM
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but what about all the short and chubby women wanting tall and muscly ? Delusional? I think you can call them out for that stupid shit as well. This is a 'two wrongs' situation. Everyone is missing an eye. Chubby girls should be going after chubby bros or BBW chasers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:23 PM
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Eventually people got back to the sharks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:20 PM
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Women tend to have at least 2-3 good photos mixed in the bad ones. Men tend to have mostly or all bad ones. Just looking at the male profiles posted in the daily thread throughout this week is a good random sample of it. We had nerdy black dude, smoking douchebro with obvious fake car background, and one other one I can't think of right now. Each one had really bad photos.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:20 PM
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And after 9/11 we see a similar panic in certain areas about shark attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:01 PM
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Ben Shapiro "LOOK AT HOW WOKE HAMAS HAS BECOME"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:00 PM
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Why aren't you hooking up with some latina chick from your friends or family circles? All the chubby latin dudes around here have girlfriends or wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 04:50 PM
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6'3 curvy gal with a cute face? Yes sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 04:49 PM
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His pictures are fine, way better than the recent profiles people have been linking in this daily thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 04:48 PM
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RPs are gonna cope hard but his bio is amazing and exactly why he's able to pull down those numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 04:47 PM
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Agreed but this isn't a positive thing and is ironically enforced by men's notions about other men. I bet in a randomized poll of people that more women would find males dying to be a negative compared to other men. Men would make excuses "he died a hero!"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 04:43 PM
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I mean I'm in 100% favor of more women being in combat roles, OR, there being no combat roles for any gender because we're at a perpetual peace enforced by the One World Government.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 04:39 PM
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No one ever said it wasn't fair game, within reason. Don't hit on the nurse that just helped deliver your sisters baby. Don't hit on the lady slicing meat on an industrial meat slicer as she's doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 04:38 PM
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Well yeah, and men often have more experience with physically overpowering someone or being overpowered themselves. Having experience with someone gives that person an advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 03:37 PM
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I think another common argument is that men tend to have shitty photos, which is probably at least partially true. So damn true. Just looking at what's been posted in the past month in the dating subs like r/hinge r/bumble even the objectively good looking dudes had awful profiles, bios, and photos.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 03:22 PM
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Women are to blame for many things within the dating conundrum that we find ourselves in today. 1 I'd want to know more about that survey. Why did men say they wanted a divorce? Why did women say they wanted one? It could be a man's fault if he's feeling insecure about making less money and taking that out on his girlfriend. 2 Women getting divorced are flat out telling the truth when it comes to the breaking points for the marriage. Some of these listed problems are absolutely lazy dudes not pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 03:11 PM
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Probably 40% of men worldwide, maybe higher if we get very specific about what we mean by BBW.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 02:55 PM
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I mean the whole chubby BBQ bro thing is a meme right now and has been since at least 2019. Couple guys I follow on youtube are like this(madscientist being the main dude I'm thinking of right now.) Guga Foods is stupidly popular and he's a big ol fluffy Brazilian(?)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 02:52 PM
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People also assume the skinny chicks are good in bed too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 02:50 PM
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If terrorists detonated a nuke in my city tomorrow, I highly doubt I’d be on Reddit trying to make people acknowledge men’s social difficulties. True but its also possible you would be doing that as well. We have the capacity to do many things at once and care about many things at once. Especially societally. Nuke goes off in say, Seattle tomorrow. 6 million dead. I would still want anti-abortion laws to be thrown out. I'd still want UHC. I'd still want to push for bringing the debt ceiling down…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 02:48 PM
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Funny enough my solution for both job interviews and dating would be similar. You have a government database of all the qualifications and experiences you've had in your career. It would allow any employer to look you up based on that info and contact you with offers. Same thing for dating. Write down all your experiences, what you offer as a human being, etc. The database would be searchable and you could get 'swiped' by someone that is interested in you. Everyone 18 or older would be automatic…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 02:37 PM
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Kinda like how a 4 foot chimpanzee could probably easily beat the hell out of an adult 6 foot man. Nah that 6 foot chadlite would just mog the chimp into submission as a beta primate. Chimps don't even know how to create fire or drive a ferrari, what losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 02:31 PM
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Hamas women will stay and fight. Arab women have been fighting in various army groups since the 1800s at least. I've never taken the time to look up the military campaigns the various Ali's fought from 900 ad till now, but I imagine it involved a decent amount of women at times.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 02:23 PM
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When things go badly, its usually the man spending time, money, and genuine effort to make things better. It's one person trying to catch a house of cards falling, and feeling like the other person is standing there watching.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 12:39 PM
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If chatting online feels like a job interview, your texting skills suck. We're conversating right now and I don't feel any "jobness" to this convo. Same goes with talking to a woman you might have romantic interest in.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 12:26 PM
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Absolutely nothing. I enjoyed most dates I went on with most women. No not all, we've all had bad dates. I'd def agree men seem to get the worst end of this often times, at least the more mundane bad dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 12:24 PM
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There is only 1 body positivity movement in the english speaking world and it is for both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 07:56 PM
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I think its something like 2+ years on average before a woman will go along with divorcing/breaking up with a guy with no job. That's a looooooong ass time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 07:13 PM
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Nope. She'll hate herself if she does, because she'll know deep down that man is a shallow asshole that only loves her because of what superficial things she's done to herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 07:12 PM
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Apparently any nuanced positions against Israel are getting smacked hard with bans.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 04:21 PM
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So you wouldn't date a golfer with an N-count of 72?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 04:02 PM
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Now I'm imagining some diesel dykes training soccer moms on guerilla warfare and cutting dude's throats while wearing ninja gear. "It's a woman's war!"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 04:00 PM
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I mean 40%+ of men definitely have empathy for women's causes. I've attended pro-abortion rallies and there's a lot of white cis male faces out there in the crowd chanting and marching along. If the reverse was held, we wouldn't be getting nearly as many women marching on behalf of leftist male rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 03:57 PM
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Women also had to fight like hell to get their issues viewed by the public as worthy of change. I agree that they do need to take a little break and refocus on other issues, but I can understand why they don't feel they can do that with shit like SCOTUS' latest anti-abortion mess. Everyone should multi-task on issues better but I understand why some groups can't do a good job of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 03:56 PM
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Average guys with great profiles and are able to talk over text well are doing just fine on Hinge/Bumble/non-tinder-y apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 03:51 PM
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Definitely agree with that. Ton of women go "I swiped on 50 guys, 10 sent messages, 2 were cool to talk to, I went on the date with 1 guy and now we're married." I've seen a ton of posts like that. There profile still stays up for X number of months. We don't know when/if they ever get purged. I'm kind of curious to download apps i used to use and see if I'm still on there with messages from women waiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 03:50 PM
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If you're in a big enough market you can, provided you have a great profile and can conversate well over text.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 03:48 PM
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Is it weird I took this as the lady being playful? I do shit like that all the time. "Can't eat just one, huh?"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 03:46 PM
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Women are literally that picky. Heck, some of us guys are that picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 03:42 PM
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Chattanooga is HUGE today, especially counting the surrounding areas that feed into it. Nah, that's a great market for a single dude. Fourth largest city in Tenn. and is one of the faster growing ones in that region of the SE. Also feeds into other markets.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 03:41 PM
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Ehhh I don't get gay with him, just goofy looking / hiding he's a adult baby or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 03:40 PM
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I swear its the hair / goofy chin. He almost looks cute but something is 'off' to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 03:39 PM
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Yes although rarely. Only twice in my life, both by cute nerdy shy girls. FWB with one and shortish relationship with the other(9-10 months.)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 03:38 PM
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She's gonna leave then. Long term friends >>>>> any single relationship with someone with major jealousy issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 03:36 PM
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Bunch of people are losing accounts due to Reddit admins banning controversial israel-palestine posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 03:35 PM
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It gives you a very wildly difference perspective than the ones you may get from close friends and family. People from all over the world judging you and pointing out interesting things. IMHO it can be a useful tool if you're not gullible to take everything as truthful. Close family+friends can be blind to actual issues that may be on the horizon.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 03:33 PM
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My man are you also a Sam Harris fan? Lol. I don't think this sub is ready for determinism.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 08:24 PM
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I can objectively say I never wanna date a taxidermist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 08:23 PM
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Partially a choice, you set yourself up for having those deep loving feelings by choosing to be around people that you have more opportunities to build that deep love for. Deep friendships are the same way, you just don't usually wanna fuck your friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 08:21 PM
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How do you know somebody’s behaviour is genuine? By their actions and results. Change Everything in life changes. You judge the changes by the utility of them, positive or negative. Love bombing You hopefully have enough life experience and philosophy understanding, maybe some therapy as well, to determine if this is happening or not. Deperation You judge them by their actions, partially on their intent. Smoothness Again their actions tell you what you need to know. Hiking anime bros! Shallownes…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 08:19 PM
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Adding to this: You'll meet dudes with single sisters and aunts and cousins. If they're cool dudes they will hook you up with those single people in their life. Yes blind dates are extremely miss more than hit. Still, it builds experiences and tools for future dates where you may just happen to find The One. In the past this was actually arguably #1 to #3 most common way to date someone. My parents met this way, friend-of-a-friend. My dad was a super into Bruce Lee, he joined a local dojo and on…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 08:05 PM
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Lol seriously. Apps have been a thing for literally 5+ years. Anyone younger than 30 is an app-ranged person. Anyone in the 30+ age bracket had access to OKCupid and the ilk.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 06:06 PM
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Where do you live and what's the general population within 50 miles. I live in a major large college + blue collar city in the south. You see every single type of couple you can think of here. Not just dudes with their sisters. Actual holding hands couples being flirty couples. If you can think of a 'type' of person, they're dating another 'type' around here. We have goths, emos, jocks, preps, nerds, car nerds, foodies, etc. Couples that go to the local rock climbing indoor thingie are mostly fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 06:02 PM
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Women are happier single is short hand for the above. Although there is one large survey 10,000+ women that actually puts being single as happier than all other women with the exception of happily married women. Trashier/abused women will definitely pick bad relationships over being single. Ironically Trashy women and low SMV men might have a lot more in common.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 05:57 PM
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You're very lucky and I guarantee if you stay in this business you'll get to know some people that are doing better than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 02:18 PM
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The poor bastard too shocked by the accusation that has never had previous accusations and is well liked by staff + other patrons of the gym. I know you don't like that answer but that's the truth. Dude in good standing > random girl. Now if she's in good standing too... yeah its a tossup. Worst case the gym owners go "Hey can you come in when she's not here" after finding out her normal gym schedule.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:25 PM
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I mean in tribal communities what you describe does happen. Men and women pair up for short or longer periods of times based on "oh you're cool" and various status symbols that tribal people collect to show off for others on(trinkets, piercings, use of colored dye, hair styles, etc.) My new proposal: send all incels to a 1-2 year boot camp on how to survive and thrive in amazonian jungles. Then airdrop these guys over the dozen or so contacted but still isolated tribes. Watch as they become the …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:52 PM
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Anything we say about women as an historical group will lead to you infantizing them. They were legitimately property and had less rights in almost every large society, with extremely few exceptions, for thousands of years. Even Queens didn't have the actual power to do as they wanted to in most kingdoms, and relied heavily on men in their courts to come to consensuses about how to rule. Women have been supremely fucked over for thousands of years and if you think 1920s womens suffrage and 1960s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 05:18 PM
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Fair enough, looks like they're at 1.46 right now... However they're involved in that Yemeni War thing so that excludes them for that reason, imho.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:36 PM
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2.7 in 2020 countries need a replacement rate of 2.1 children Am I mathing wrong or are you? :p
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:35 PM
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Oh shit that's genius.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:34 PM
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Lol any little thing to just not admit that yes women are still discriminated against in certain industries and career pathways.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:34 PM
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Its possible it would be difficult to revert if men have collectively decided those aren't high enough status jobs for them to pursue. The men that go into nursing are a different breed than the plumbers/truckers/etc. that you see and interact with.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:54 PM
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They are to some degree. Girls that are allowed to realize they can do dirty cool jobs like the boys often do go into those professions. The problem is most of society doesn't give girls and young women those ideas. They often tell them that 'nursing and teaching' is where they should go, not welding or plumbing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:46 PM
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And I can guarantee you're paid less than a man working same hours per week and doing same hauls.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:45 PM
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I mean you can, just make sure they take lots of time off and work less hours than male counterparts. Also claim they have less experience so you don't need to pay as much. Women in the trucking industry for example make less than men who work the same hours and do the same types of hauls.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:44 PM
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Feminists would abolish all 200 countries right to conscript if they got into power, so no its not a double standard. Although to enforce such a global mandate we'd have to go to war with some countries over their refusal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:42 PM
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Even the most patriarchal countries in Middle East etc. have declining birth rates 🤷 just look at the stats. Name one please that isn't a war zone or recently a war zone. All arab, northern african, central asian countries are above replacement. Eastern europe and most of western europe is above. Africa as a whole is above. Most of SA is above. Most of Central America is above. Most of east Asia is above. Pacific islands are below.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:07 PM
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What's funny is that a decent amount of women tried joining the Ukrainian military and Russian military and were refused entry. I'd love to see more 50/50 representation especially in brigades that aren't grunting around. All female tank crews <3.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:06 PM
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If you've never been through male puberty then you might not get it. For some guys it truly is an intense overwhelming need to fuck. Doesn't mean they shouldn't control it or learn to do so, but we can also acknowledge its a difficult learning curve(heh).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:03 PM
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We could put it in the water and call it fluoride...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 02:57 PM
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Scary af. ;((
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 02:21 PM
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If it becomes the 'norm' then even well adjusted men may consider it. Norms do change and there's unintended consequences possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 02:04 PM
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I get that you want a revenge fantasy, but it’s not how that works…like…once women know a guy is gay (meaning no possibility for sex with women), they usually stop caring about him or get overly involved in his romances and root for him The fuq? This is exactly the opposite of what women do that form relationships with gay or bi men. They're often knee-deep in sharing love life stories and both parties are very interested in the others.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 02:01 PM
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To be fair there are legitimate issues to be against GMOs for. Seeds that only work for 1 season so farmers have to buy new seeds every year. Mutations that weren't possible 'naturally' and this damages human cells in ways we can't foresee. etc. These aren't the majority of anti-GMO talking points though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 01:49 PM
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Did you point out to them your 2nd paragraph comments or did you bite your lip?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 01:45 PM
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But these days flirting or even approaching women in gyms has become openly discouraged, seen as inappropriate and even policed. This is 100% false. No major chain of gyms have this rule. All are "respect everyone" based and don't explicitly say you can't flirt. Its unwanted flirting thats the issue. If someone makes it known they don't want you around them or staring at them, you don't do it. The vast majority of people get along in gyms without incidents, and the ones that can't get removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 01:35 PM
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Amusingly the best tournament fishermen in the world do exactly this, they have studied where fish hide, why they hide in those places, and what bugs/lizards/bait attracts them for an easy meal. They get into the "heads" of where the biggest fish will be. Add in years of experience and this hones them into being the best fishermen. Source: My uncle was for a time a pro bass fisherman on one of the bigger circuits.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:40 PM
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Be yourself simply means: Don't be fake, don't make shit up, be honest. It doesn't mean you can't turn your personality up to 11 and be super charming in a way you normally don't go out of your way to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:38 PM
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Attractive in this context means more than just a chiseled jaw line. It's the full package. That package doesn't have to be perfect, only 'good enough' for that woman you're trying to see long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:37 PM
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Asking random women on Reddit helps give you an idea of the spectrum you'll run into though. This gives you knowledge and information you can apply if you meet up with someone with those characteristics. I've been lucky to date women that paid 100% of my meal on the first date. It's rare, statistically from surveys only 13-18% of women do this. So when it happened, I knew I had a really awesome woman in front of me at the table, and I knew I needed to step my game up because she's a rare person.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:35 PM
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We need to identify the type of man and the type of woman he's looking for, and what she's looking for. If it's an indian-american, 5'6 cis male hetero dude that makes 6 figures and is skinnyfat with no facial scars and he's living in say Austin, then I'm gonna give him different advice than if he was living in NYC or Reno or Kansas City. We're also gonna need to know the type of women he is attracted to. If its 10/10 swedish models, he's fucked. If it's 3/10 chubby black chicks that look like L…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:29 PM
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You gotta go with the flow or roll with the punches. You gotta stay flexible.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:26 PM
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Heck even going by 'don't look at what women say, look at what they do' we find that most women do exactly like what the BluePillers say they do. Most women mostly look for traits in their culture that culture has deemed 'acceptable' for them to go after, and they mostly follow through with this. Western societies are more open to a variety of dating styles, so the statistics show that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:25 PM
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For an analogy I think it's kind of like asking a fan of improv comedy how to be a successful improv comedian. Certainly they can give you some general markers of quality of a good improv show, but for someone who actually wants to be an improv artist, wouldn't they be better served getting advice from someone who actually does improv? Huge disagreement here. If we're talking about a superfan of improv, I would take their opinion over any random person that has done improv but not become success…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:21 PM
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I believe that's false, from my paraphilia stuff from grad school, pretty sure it was the majority of spanking fetishists were spanked as a kid(of course spanking as a kid is high anyway, so the correlation isn't perfect.)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:21 PM
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Obvious question, were you spanked or physically punished as a kid?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:03 PM
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Saving it for your marriage night? Kinky! :D
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:02 PM
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Regulates cycle and some other positive effects.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:01 PM
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Troi from Star Trek was the only empath that could never read someone's thoughts when it actually mattered.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:58 PM
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Empathy is agreement. Sympathy is "I understand your pain even if I don't suffer from it." I had empathy for the man that lost his penis. I have a penis so I can put myself in his shoes. I had sympathy for the woman that lost her breasts. I have to imagine from losing other things that would suck a lot, but I don't have breasts so don't know the full extent of the pain she suffers from. (these are horrible examples but should suffice.)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:57 PM
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I've had rug burn raw feeling from just 2 times a day before... am I thrusting too hard or fast? Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:55 PM
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I have read plenty of books on history, antropology, sociology, economy, geography, philosophy, philosophy of science, biology etc and took classes in uni on these various topics. No you haven't. If you had you'd be saying the same thing as most mainstream men say, most mainstream women say about this topic. You've "read" some stuff but you disagreed with the conclusions that the overwhelming vast majority of modern historians say about our gendered past.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:52 PM
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my fat female friends are single This is more surprising than anything considering 2020s seem to be a 'fat girl reclaiming their hotness' kind of era. I see so many fat girls down here that are wearing the skimpiest clothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:08 PM
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Seriously lol. We frequent a casino on the east coast and you see every sort of family and dating situation imaginable. Being a casino you see the very old and very young.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:06 PM
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I'm at work and really don't want to type out a bunch of hobbies that you can't be bothered to look up. https://www.scienceofpeople.com/social-hobbies/ there ya go!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:03 PM
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Then go on Fetlife and you're gonna meet mostly non-chads to explore that with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 04:56 PM
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Or they'd want a very handsome handy blue collar dude that runs his own business.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 04:48 PM
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Some do. I have a couple stud/butch friends and one hyper aggressive femme friend that go through about 6+ relationships a year. Lots of messy exes situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 04:46 PM
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Can I blame women for following their biological instincts ? Lol yes. Your biological instinct is to squat down anywhere and shit and piss. We don't do that(and those that do are ostracized). Your biological instinct is to kill, kill, kill. We don't do that(and those that do.. etc) Humans are able to subvert or completely break many of our biological instincts. It's one of the unique features of our minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 04:41 PM
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Finally we found the one lady with 1000+ N count.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 04:40 PM
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How does "everything" revolve around sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 04:39 PM
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I mean a lot of women do in fact go for non-douchebag looking dudes. And no, they don't go through a phase of only dating douchebags. I genuinely do know I wouldn't be dating any of those guys, because their attitudes about life is so wholly different than mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 04:39 PM
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I'd be insanely picky and I'd probably only stick to nerdy, devoted-mindset type guys. Bonus if the guy has $$$ prospects like a Musk or Zuck, but honestly even he's a lowly sysadmin making $50-100k a year that's cool too. I'd love to be a stay at home dad, so I'm 100% sure I'd love being a stay at home wife too. This is usually the advice I give to women that have had issues with finding a good mentally healthy partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 04:32 PM
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Your grandfather will lie to you. We know statistically there was a to more sexual contact going on in the 1900-1950s than they admit to today.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 03:46 PM
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You can google a list of hobbies available for groups of randos. Most aren't. Obviously I can say I've heard of some males being asked to not come back to some clubs, but that's very individualized and they often still are welcoming to other males. I don't know of any non-gender exclusive clubs that are blanket policy against single males.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 03:24 PM
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They're immensely attracted to them. It's just they had dumb ass ideas about dating when they were younger that older them now realizes how stupid she was. It is exceedingly rare for someone to date someone LTR that isn't attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 02:52 PM
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when boys are cuddled/spoke to less and allowed to cry longer without being consoled. Starting at six months of age I love what you're saying but think about this for a bit longer. Who is usually taking care of those little boys? Women and some older men(usually grandfathers.) It could very well be that women are enabling negative behavior from the beginning. Ultimately everyone should be contributing to helping these issues out. Feminists can help shape modern masculinity into more positive pat…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:36 PM
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Agreed. Also likely some type of body dysmorphia as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:26 PM
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If average men compare themselves to chad, then they're never gonna be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:18 PM
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Lesbians can’t typically get laid whenever either. They can if they live in a decently large population of lesbians. Studs/butches/aggressive femmes constantly move from one relationship to another. It's not quite what gay men do socially, but its definitely more aggressive than the way hetero women behave by and large. Women are able to get laid more, especially if we're talking about a woman with zero pickiness in her body, because of supply and demand. If men pulled their demand back, women's…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:12 PM
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Which is why it's fine to look at global statistics or even localized statistics and make arguments based on that. I live in a large college-focused but also blue-collar focused city in the south. Every single niche group you can think of exists here, from gangbanging hoodrats to upper class CEOs of banks and politicians to emo goth girls to jocks to redneck country boys. Every type of woman exists here, and they are all dating to some degree except the voluntary single gals and lads. Most men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:09 PM
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one guy who may be a virgin in his early 40's and one decent looking albeit slightly chubby guy who is dating a morbidly obese woman. I know y'all don't like hearing this but I can guarantee you this dude is having a ton of enjoyable climaxing good sex. Fat chicks seem to always have a high libido, and are often willing to engage with kinks as well. "But I shouldn't haaaave toooooo!" Well, shoulda, woulda, coulda. Life throws some weird ass curveballs at you sometimes, gotta roll with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:05 PM
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One big thing I notice is that kids don't get to have older cousin and uncle/aunt interactions any more. With everyone being wrapped into our own worlds, it's rarer for kids to have constant learning experiences from older mentors. I was the baby of the family(and my dad was the baby of his generation), so everyone was always older so I had to adopt to their play styles, not them to mine. I matured way faster than other kids. My dad was always taking me to hang out with his brothers and sisters,…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:53 PM
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In comparison, women of all ages have a much easier time finding a sexual partner. There have been experiments comparing the dating profile of an average guy and a below average woman and the woman still got way more matches and dms. Quantity vs quality. Men, when they do find a true match, are usually overjoyed and much more compatible with that woman. Women, when they find a match, are most likely to be matched with someone that won't end up being a truly positive long term relationship partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:46 PM
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Definitely agree on douchebag. Ripped dudes never look humble, even though I do know a couple youtuber guys that seem to genuinely be nice humble good dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 03:21 PM
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His inner woman trying to break free from the misogyny and post cute uwu stuff on twoX.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 03:15 PM
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You're hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 02:57 PM
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Which might be explained by the fact women seem to form hyper niche 'attractive vs not' metrics for male faces and bodies, where most men tend to be 'hourglass, no major facial scars or weird abnormalities... would smash!' This could have a evo psych / biological explanation in mate selectors that different sexes choose for. Interesting study idea would be to take hetero and gay trans people and have them analyze the attractiveness of a group of people. Do the MTFs end up as choosy as cis female…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 02:48 PM
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I think the culture and upbringing of the person absolutely plays a huge part in it. The type of guys my Mom likes is 100% different than any of my aunts. Polar opposites. Doesn't mean they aren't finding attractive men, just of their tastes not generalness of looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 02:37 PM
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I mean it can be...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 02:35 PM
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SSC blew up a few years ago both before Scott got doxxed by the NYT but definitely after. It's still fairly niche because he doesn't do podcasts, doesn't really collab with anyone, but its well known in any circles that like that sort of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 02:34 PM
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Lol why you say that? Gay dudes have a ton of issues finding a long term partner, I'd argue more than the incel-y dudes here. They do get lucky to have more options for short term hooking up though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 02:24 PM
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"I asked for an open marriage, he said no, so here's the divorce papers" The End.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 02:24 PM
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TheMotte might be your jam then. Contrarian pseudo intellectuals that will definitely make those kinds of wacky arguments about various topics. Offshoot of SlateStarCodex people that used to get in trouble with Scott for their views.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 02:23 PM
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Visually unappealing to a specific person though. An northern indian woman that's grown up there all her life might think I'm a 1/10 and she ranks Shah Khan as 10/10. Where most western women would rate me a 5/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 02:20 PM
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User deleted but honestly a decent/interesting question. If you are a man and only get 2-3 matches a day on dating apps, but all of those matches are objectively attractive, fit and mentally normal, does that make you attractive, average or something else entirely? Matches as in y'all are having a conversation or matches as in "we swiped on each other but no convo yet"? Imho if you're having good conversations with someone then yeah you're attractive to them. If they swiped on you and no convo h…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 02:18 PM
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based and dworkinpilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 02:08 PM
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Yeah I knew I was getting older when I looked at younger people on their phones ignoring some cool visual in the moment thing. Just wanna snatch it out of their hands and go "Look around you dumbass!"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 02:07 PM
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Unattractive in this context means "You're not attractive to me, because I have a certain look that I like in my partners(6' lumberjack, beard, flannel) and you're 5'10, muscles, wearing gymrat clothes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 02:05 PM
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I see plenty of conflict in this sub and others. Its just we all figured out in the late 90s that you need strong moderation to prevent the truly unhinged from wrecking your little bubble of fun. Those wild west days sucked. No I don't wanna see random childporn at 10am on a workday. No I don't wanna hear about how Hitler had some good ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 02:04 PM
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That feels like a fake fetish post lol. What guy doesn't at least return the favor with their hands/lips/toys?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 02:00 PM
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The sad part is they don't know what they're talking about because they haven't had very many life experiences to allow them the wisdom to know what they're speaking about. They lack the knowledge to know they're dumb about this topic. Heck maybe it's some undiagnosed mental disorder. "Oblivious to how the real world actually works." They're the North Sentinel Island people of the dating world.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:34 PM
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Do you agree tradcons have such a weird anti-modern view of women that it is sufficient to say they 'dislike' modern women to a large degree?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:24 PM
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Explain what you mean by this? BP all agree on core concepts, even if they're nuanced on additional topics. Like a BP1 can be anti-sex work. BP2 can be pro-sex work. Neither is wrong nor right(although I'd argue we can figure out rightness if we investigate further..) but they ultimately are agree on other bigger more fundamental topics of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:21 PM
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Chad Bonobos have sex like THIS. Incel Chimps have sex like THAT.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:20 PM
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The funnier part is when flat earthers use science to prove that the earth is round, which has happen a handful of times and at least some of those guys genuinely switched to now understanding the earth is a spheroid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:20 PM
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That's not what the science says about quantifying our experiences into data and analysis of said data. If you're a subjectivist, then fair, there's no convincing you. If you're an objectivist/empiricist, then we can investigate this matter and come to a conclusion that matches our reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:18 PM
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Yup, it was most likely a weird thing where they happened to grab the most sexless dudes in those years and their sampling has gotten better/went back to being what it was previously.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:16 PM
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Plenty of people here spend time out of their day postiing sources for why TRP talking points are bullshit. There's even one guy that is very extensive with their follow up posts on addressing all counter points. Ultimately it seems clear RP will nutpick and cherrypick whatever factoids that back them up, and ignore everything else. BP will acknowledge all the data, but will try to rely on the more up to date and comprehensive data that shows the full picture of what's going on. BP also uses a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:14 PM
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Watching body language, verbal cues, and frankly just taking calculated chances. It's the end of the 3rd date, both dates have gone extremely well and y'all are vibing. Do you kiss her or no? (the answer for most women would be absolutely, and 100% of women by the 5th date)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:06 PM
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Looksmax, moneymax, confidencemax, verbalmax. You give him the tools to be himself, turned up to 11, and the guidance to look in the best places to look for a woman that's on his same wave length. If he's a jock, then guide him to those type of women that like jocks. If he's a nerd, guide him to those women that like nerds. If he's gay, etc. If he's emo/goth, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:03 PM
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Oh no not settled for! The worst thing that could ever happen to these people that don't see life as a competition! /s
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:02 PM
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Styles also change and some guys look better with their natural styles in one era, that look like shit in another era. The lumberjack nerd looking dudes were cleaning house in the 2000-2010s, but seem to not be doing as well now in the 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:00 PM
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Then tell them that and don't ghost.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 12:23 PM
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Hahahah what the fuck is this website?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 12:19 PM
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Irony that OP is a trauma dump.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 12:16 PM
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Why are you ghosting someone after the first date? Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 12:15 PM
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An AI boyfriend that fulfills all her emotional needs, a vibrator + audiobook for her sexual needs... I could easily see some western society "crumbling" from women waking up to realizing they don't need dick to be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 06:04 PM
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The obese dudes are actively in the community talking to women. It's not hard around here if you're a redneck. If you are, get a big mean ol looking truck, wear whatever's fashionable in that country 'dont give a shit' vibes, go to local bars, rodeos, church meet ups, the mall/walmart, hang around places with women , chat with chicks at the liquor store or where you buy your dip/smokes, offer random girls rides anywhere they wanna go. If you live that lifestyle you can easily be 20 count in by y…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:59 PM
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They don't have guy friends or girl friends to talk about life shit with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:30 PM
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Anything less than a burqa = haram. Do not show your ankles and wrists to me, temptress of the Bus Route 21!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:10 PM
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Bring back Obama!! He was getting everyone laid. Hope & Change makes pussies wet 2024!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:06 PM
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Dating or fucking? Many men are fucking multiple women but not in a relationship from their POV. Then those same women all thing they're in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 04:51 PM
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The data is probably just flawed due to the exact wording that people are understanding and answering based off of. Many women think they're in a relationship aren't actually in a relationship, that alone skews it some. There could also be a contingent of men that think they're not in a relationship but actually are. Weird shit happens when surveyors don't have perfect detailed long term info on something.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 04:50 PM
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Actually I think it was something like 80%+ were in hetero relationships even though they id'd as queer/bi. Which then gets them shit from the queer community for being "fake/posers". Biphobia is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 04:48 PM
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Just because someone exists doesn't mean you want to date them. Imagine 10 jock/preppy males and 10 emo/goth girls. No one is dating in that dating pool. Imagine 1000 nerds and 10 supermodel hotties, no one is dating. Does this make sense to you? Many women just don't think they can accept a poor quality dude, so they are going solo. Same for some men. Some other men are very picky(imho guys in this sub are insanely picky) and have a "no fats/no femmes/no rice/no spice" kind of attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 04:46 PM
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The ones I know are all genuine violent people. But even the most violent woman is often still not nearly as 'randomly' violent as the most violent man. It's a culture thing imho.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 04:43 PM
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Haha they are very pretty that's for sure. Used to see stuff like this at antique places but its all sold and tucked away now. Only way to usually get stuff like this is estate sales.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 04:39 PM
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True, but I think people are having some successes online especially on Hinge/Bumble. He should do fine if he has a decent personality, although with only having one serious long term relationship started in high school... might be doubtful. Ok my hopefulness is a little subdued now. Expect OP to be posting here in 6 months with "omg now i'm a redpiller" ;v.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 04:38 PM
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The velociraptor egg one? Nah that one is endearing/cute. I would lead with the travel photos and push that one to the back though. The type of woman into his looks/vibe will find that to be super cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 04:10 PM
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I get "big kid" vibes in a negative way. Some of the photos are fine, and some are terrible. "Ice Cream" in his profile tags is a turn off. The travel photos are good, although the 'proposal' one is going to be HUGE HIT or HUGE MISS for some women. I'd much prefer to keep things a hit/neutral than something polarizing than that. I think if he's in any liberal city in america he'll do fine with dating. I see guys like that all the time around here with looksmatch/economicsmatched women. Cute but …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 04:08 PM
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Shut argument down by just agreeing and then ignoring his ass. "Yup damn you're right, ok on to the next topic..."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 04:01 PM
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Go for it. You lose 100% of shots you don't shoot. I doubt it'll get banned. It might get algorithmically pushed to the bottom though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:58 PM
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That random dane cook own, hahahah.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:57 PM
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I've been around some mean ass, criminal studs before. However I think even then it's going to be a different vibe than cis males. Right now stud culture doesn't reinforce that kind of violence like some cis male cultures do. If that changes, then I'd be equally scared of them as I am of the cis dudes on the corner. Just like if white female culture changed to be ultra violent I'd be scared of white women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:49 PM
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Agreed. I eagerly await the day we have those little Vulcan LED screen pods like in Star Trek for students to learn in. Full electronic outside of grade school when kids do need some tactile learning.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:44 PM
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This girl fucks ceramics.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:35 PM
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I am a great philosopher and I have solved the riddle: "Women want what everyone wants, money, power, and bitches."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:34 PM
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https://old.reddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/16x8672/my_husband_wants_to_explore_his_sexual_options/k325ls6/ Oh boy this surely ain't a bait.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:33 PM
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"While gossip among women is universally ridiculed as low and trivial, gossip among men, especially if it is about women, is called theory, or idea, or fact."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:28 PM
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You genuinely see zero goths, zero nerds, zero ugly preppy types, zero rednecks walking around? I see pretty much every trope you can imagine. Emo girls especially with some of the jankiest looking dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:24 PM
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I've never seen a girl friend group that was perfectly looksmatched. Always cuter and uglier girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:23 PM
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I'll fight to the death for my right to double space. Bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:22 PM
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Most people are obeying the laws of their land, interacting with other people in a favorable or neutral manner and most often are actively being positive role models for people around them. If you can't see this is how the world currently works then you're so blind that I cannot teach you .
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:21 PM
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Its rare for a gym to actually ban someone. Usually need multiple people complaining and "very obvious" inappropriate behavior. Ask one girl out, get rejected, you're not getting banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:19 PM
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Usually people find love from a friend-of-a-friend. Not necessarily their own direct friend group(although it does happen.)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:17 PM
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It is so bizarre that dudes here treat "you have to be professional at work" as some intolerable burden. It also flies in the face of statistics. Yes work place romance is down from the 70s, 80s, and even 90s, but its still something like a quarter or more of where relationships begin. The "they will go bad and you'll be fired!" mindset is ridiculous for 99% of men and women. If we're all playing with fire, very few of us are getting burned, which goes to show how we're protected from such thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:15 PM
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Hobbies! Women do a lot of hobby stuff and drive the economy with many of those hobbies. Working with and around those hobbies, or by doing those hobbies yourself will get you in touch with other women with similar views(at least on artistic endeavors.) From there you can build a friendship, and then romance if the vibe is there.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:13 PM
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Actually a quick google search shows a decent amount more openly gay men than lesbians, although bisexual women stat is muuuuch larger.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:20 PM
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It's a cuter way of saying FWB.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:17 PM
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Many women are in relationships with men way older than themselves (20% of women have marriages with men who are 6 years or more) This is slightly misleading. 8% are more than 9 year gap. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 08:11 PM
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Maybe this needs to be a soft rule "Befriend girls you don't wanna fuck, then fuck their friends." Of course I've seen pushback on that idea from the usual suspects that "oh this doesn't really happen / she won't vet you to her friend / won't i be seen as creepy and lose it all?"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 06:40 PM
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Even on hard mode you can get laid, it just takes a lot more effort and time. You're gonna need about 1-2 hours a day of messaging women on Hinge/Bumble/non-hookupy type apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 06:36 PM
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I live in the south, patriarchal norms are the dominant social norms. Even in a "liberal" college town most people conform rather than rebel. I don't really understand what you mean here? The re writing of the rules has happened in like, most developed countries. Like,its has been rewrited since decades? In many countries is even constitutionally protected Brand new constitutions from the ground up with 50%+ female input. Its possible women come up with similar laws and 'laws behind the laws' th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 06:27 PM
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I mean it's like 2 months salary extra, but yeah, still not enough to get most people to jump at it. They also have a sign on bonus for bus drivers, kitchen staff, etc. I think a decent amount of people said "fuck this shit" with covid in regards to working around snotty gross kids. I think the days of the really old lunch lady / bus driver lady / sub teacher are over.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 06:22 PM
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My examples are just real life dude. People around you. If that doesn't convince you then nothing will.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 06:11 PM
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A copypasta was born! The New York Skyscraper image was a nice touch. "Men built these cities with their bare hands and tools, while women stood around and watched."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 06:10 PM
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If men are paying extras they're at fault. We should blame men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 06:08 PM
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"Husband" that's a man enabling her, shame on him. "Daddy" that's a man enabling her, shame on him. "Ex BF" that's a man enabling her, shame on him. So in reality we should be blaming dumb ass men for enabling such poor financial behavior. Tell a woman in your life today: Nut up or shut up about your bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 06:07 PM
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I wash muh body with a rag on a stick.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 06:06 PM
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We don't encourage women to get into it. That's really what it comes down to. In places they do encourage women, we see a large percentage going into it. Singapore and Iran are notable examples. There's like this hilarious statistic that their are more females in STEM in the top 10 iranian schools than there are females in STEM in the entire USA or something funny like that. Not sure how true it is or where I saw it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 06:01 PM
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Well... sort of true and sort of not true. In my district schools are offering a decent sized "upfront" bonus for signing on. Several thousand dollars. The problem is the hoops you gotta jump through to get it, and the actual work you have to do, are still keeping people from applying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 05:56 PM
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Not "considered less important" -- jobs that are lower paying due to supply and demand. Female fashion models earn more than their male counterparts. There's more demand. Ehhh, isn't it something like the top .1% of female models make the most money, then top 30% of male models, then top 30% of female models, then everyone else? The demand is actually for more super attractive men that can also do all the things modeling requires out of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 05:55 PM
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Which is something grandparents/aunts/etc used to do for families that no longer do those things for the most part. Either because you live hours away from each other or your family members have their own lives to lead and don't have time. Western society really sucks on this point. I'm shocked we don't have a daycare system that drops kids off for parents so they don't have to pick them up, but the logistics are probably more annoying than just requiring parents to pick'em up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 05:54 PM
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Women also just pay more for various things than men. Take a short list of your male and female friend's monthly expenses. Guarantee you the women have a bunch of incidentals(yes some of these are luxuries...) that men just flat out don't have. Women spend a lot more on their kids than men spend, even regular dads or single dads. A single dad's expenses vs a single mom's expenses for the kids only you'll see several hundred dollar differences. It's why I think women especially need better home e…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 05:43 PM
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Pretty sure everyone called Madonna a creep too, lol. If we're talking about that pretty boy dude she was dating in the 90s/00s. She got a ton of hate from women and men on that one. Lol @ first hit https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1350220/Madonnas-penchant-date-younger-guys-creepy-says-brother.html
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 05:37 PM
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You could give a first or second wave feminist answer! A shit one but still.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 05:36 PM
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Yup. I'll even go so far as to say no doctor has ever married a long time fast food worker ever in the history of fast food. Very few have married restaurant workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 05:33 PM
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The smart women become doctors in a high paying specialty then only work part time. The average female physician works 25 hours a week. Source? This does not match my experiences at all. They might only work 25 hours at one practice/office but most physicians in my area have multiple places they work throughout the week. My wife's doctor works 3 different clinics throughout the week, easily 60+ hours a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 05:31 PM
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Find a dating site for women that are 5'1 or less. Or find out where those types of women hang out in your area. Women generally just want someone same size or slightly taller. The "must be 6 foot" thing is a myth for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 05:18 PM
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Would you let Elon name your baby some fucked up nerd shit or tell him to eat a dick?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 05:14 PM
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Some men hunt for food. I hunt for the thrill of it. adjusts tie We are not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 05:12 PM
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Conservative, regressive norms are patriarchal based, hence the patriarchy. We need a complete update to the rules and 'rules for why the rules are what they are' for the dismantling of the patriarchy to be declared in any particular country. Even then, that country would feel the effects of the patriarchy through trade and media subjugation. So it'd go from a hard patriarchy status to a much softer one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 05:09 PM
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Lemme guess "Norway statistics on men and women say X so therefore Patriarchy cannot exist any more!" we did it folks! Mission Accomplished landing on an aircraft carrier move!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 05:06 PM
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Counterpoint: How would you know if it can't be replaced if its never been replaced?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 05:05 PM
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Same. Dated one of the UNC womens basketball players for a while(she was 6'6 I'm 6'3) and she turned out to be completely nuts. Great sex though. Also could get into some weird but fun positions. Fucking while standing up? Yes please.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 05:03 PM
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Online will be your main target then. Skinny as a rail dudes do sometimes like chubby chicks but its rare. My uncle is super thin and short and he's been in a LTR with my aunt since '82. She finally got gastric bypass a few years ago so now they're both skinny, but she was chubby for most of my childhood and young adult years.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 05:01 PM
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Nah they're all over, but you're gonna have to look for them a bit harder. Or date a POC man. Most black dudes, some indian dudes, most latin dudes love thicc girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 04:59 PM
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Below average women are dating dudes they see every day at work/school/church/hobby/randomly meet. So put yourself out there in those places with women that you find attractive, don't be a creepy/weirdo, and you'll do fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 04:58 PM
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It sounds like she went without sex for a while and her hormones are getting in the way of her brain. Just like what happens with guys thinking with their dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 04:57 PM
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You can call it whatever you like. The word I'm gonna use until I find a better one is 'feminine'. Feminine in this context isn't a negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 04:27 PM
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I feel like depression is clouding your mind. Most people are mostly doing good most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 04:26 PM
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You can call it something else if you wish. The word 'feminize' made sense to me in this context. Taking care of people is seen as 'feminine'.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 03:50 PM
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You genuinely believe out of 7 billion people on earth, 6+ billion are 'bad' in some 51%+ or more way?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 03:43 PM
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You gotta remember that for much of history men initiated the majority of divorces, that stat has only flipped since the 90s. Women are saying on paper why they want a divorce, it's usually the spouses actions(cheating, money issues, etc) that are causing her to hit her final straw and initiate divorce. It's almost never a sudden decision and usually 2-3 years in the making I think on average. Giving a man 2+ years to get his shit straight and he's still failing that, it's reasonable to get divo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 03:38 PM
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Men are much more likely to behaviorally initiate divorces too. This one has switched to women, agreed on your other points as far as I'm aware those are accurate. Modern men are a lot more emotionally intelligent than our dads/granddads. There's still a large gap though. We may see some of these negative statistics change for the better if men continue to feminize how they think about relationships, especially caretaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 03:35 PM
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What's worse: Messaging someone you don't really want to date but you'll pity fuck, or not bothering to message someone because you know you're not interested so you don't wanna waste each others time? I think clearly the former is worse. Dude's are wasting women's time by trying to fuck them but not have a relationship with them, when women most of the time want some sort of relationship. If women are into you, you'll know it. If men are into you, you don't have a damn clue because all the othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 02:37 PM
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Perhaps we should come up with a catchy slogan...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 02:34 PM
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Hobbies. If you're able to ask questions or answer them, you're able to start a natural conversation. From that you build upon it with personal questions as you get to know someone. 6+ months in you're gonna feel much more natural at talking to someone for any normal reason you would talk to them. And starting with just learning to conversate with stranger men in public can help, so it doesn't have to be 'jump in the deep end of the pool' straight to talking to stranger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 02:31 PM
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Twink-look is popular amongst younger women, especially the k-pop stan group.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 02:29 PM
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No they aren't. Most teens and 20-somethings I see are looksmatch/classmatched/etc. Ugly dudes with ugly women. Average looking dudes with average looking women. Occasionally ugly dude with hottie, or chad-lite with ugly girl(with amazing body.)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 02:27 PM
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If we got up and got more activity like the people in the 60s, 70s, 80s had then we wouldn't be so obese. Our sedentary lifestyle is the 2ndary cause of it(first being the food we ingest is pure corn syrup).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 02:26 PM
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look at pictures of people in the 2000s/2010s and you'll think "wtf are they wearing?" or "wtf have they done with their hair?" Ehhh.. then there's people like me that think objectively they still look good from that era and the 90s. Not every style(baggie pants.. ugh) but most of those styles work in the modern fashion sense. For women, some styles from the 50s, 60s, and 70s work well. For men some styles from 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s work really well. Admittedly this is a nuanced position and I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 02:24 PM
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I must be biased then, from what I've seen the type of girls that fuck on first dates(and i mean literally first) just aren't looking for mr right long term, they want mr have fun right now. Not a damn thing wrong with that, but not what I think 30-50% of men are looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 02:16 PM
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I hope you get better!!! I'm glad you're making yourself feel better through those tools that women(and some men) are willing to use that improve our lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 02:15 PM
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Lol, godlessness is goodliness. God isn't real dude. I'm sorry you're stuck in that kind of mindset. Also I don't know anyone that would want to be approached in a group, unless it's at like a bar where you're already in a group. Even then I'd rather pull someone to the side and say "Hey you're super cool, can we exchange numbers and see what goes from there?"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 02:13 PM
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Is this the invasion of the body snatchers?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 07:45 PM
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Ford was clearly an evil man.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 06:13 PM
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Nah they'll betabux some males into being their meal ticket.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 06:12 PM
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So we can blame capitalism for Feminism? Checkmate!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 05:32 PM
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I dunno if he was whispering sweet nothings into my ear I'd assume it was a roleplay part of a DND campaign that Joe Mangalgalgagaooi is running.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 05:30 PM
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He acts his ugly face off, thats how!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 05:29 PM
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I do know women that put on makeup on the weekends and don't go off and don't hang with anyone... Sometimes habits get formed. Some women definitely do dress for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 05:29 PM
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Realization that all our ancestors were Chads and Stacys. :O
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 05:27 PM
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I'm sorry that happened to you. College freshmen introduction things like that are sometimes run by some really clueless people. DEI does all the sexual harassment stuff to where I work, so they're synonymous in this context. Ultimately you've got to ignore bad advice like that, and identify its bad advice by experiencing the world + talking to women directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 05:25 PM
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I think you have a fundamentally different outlook on these things than the average person. For most of us, exceptions do prove the rules. The rules work great 90%+ of the time. Amazing. However weird ass random stuff sometimes happens in this quirky world of ours, and 99 zags turn to 1 zig. We ignore that zig the best we can and go on with our lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 05:18 PM
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If its more discouraged, then that alone would explain the numbers. That's also an easy fix: encourage it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 05:15 PM
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Oh no not the economy!! It's never ever collapsed from more ridiculous reasons!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 05:13 PM
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We have a cool old black man at work that will hit on literally any woman, doesn't matter how fat, small, ugly. He's got like 6 kids or some ridiculously high number. He gets rejected 99% of the time but that 1% is probably high 20s+ for his lifetime relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 05:11 PM
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Why would you care about being rejected by any stranger or non-close friend? Don't take shit so personal. If you see someone that looks cool, shoot your shot in a nice way.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 05:08 PM
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It's also a bit bizarre behavior from any native new yorkers, whom don't tend to do these sorts of things randomly. I'm from the south, we say hello to everyone and everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 05:06 PM
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How do you explain the 50% of men who do approach even after all that training? Your cellphone explanation is far more logical than "DEI training makes men scared to approach." Every DEI thing I've done at work has been pretty clear that peer-to-peer relationships are fine if someone isn't a direct boss over the other one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 04:47 PM
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True but outside of statistics nerds most people don't memorize such things, and most of us are casual debaters not "let me bookmark this survey so I can copypasta the relevant points next time this topic comes up." I love statistics but most(hurrrr) people don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 04:44 PM
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I mean objectively we do know exceptions exist for lots of various topics that are apart of our lives. How much importance you put into how significant those exceptions are, comes down to your life experiences / education on that subject. I think one side says "We don't have all the answers, but we do have a few" and the other says "We have all the answers(usually God)" or in the case of RedPill "We have studied women extensively and now know everything that makes them tick, even hidden desires.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 04:42 PM
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Also spend more money on products that are pushed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 04:39 PM
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How do you know you're the exception to the rule?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 04:38 PM
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Exactly right. The main thing is presenting the least amount of red flags for a girl you're interested in, and actually taking a chance at getting to know her. Being fit, being educated or work hard, wearing modern clothing styles(google for trends), etc. will put you ahead of most guys already. Ugly ripped dudes do get chicks. Not 9/10 chicks, but still.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 03:07 PM
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No fucking way a virgin is hooking up with someone on a first date. Nope not ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 02:24 PM
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The girls that fuck on the first date usually aren't long term relationship material, for the most part. Men that are serious about a LTR don't want their dates putting out that fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 01:04 PM
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Thousand times this. He's talking about high schoolers or fresh out of high school and not on the college track type of girls. Betty Jo down the dirt road will certainly give you a handjob on the first date, she's in that social sphere that such behavior is acceptable and morally ok to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 01:02 PM
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Almost all of those look to be fake posts. Looking at the posters histories makes this abundantly clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 01:01 PM
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Definitely false. They will have some sexual contact with you within 6 months though if they really like you. Virgin women aren't hooking up on first nor 5th dates. Still about 30% of women are virgins until their first serious relationship as an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 01:00 PM
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Like, I don't know, "Ten good boy points on 'First generation immigrant'". Odds are low due to the type of school this was at. Pakistani or arab families that could afford it, are much more liberal than their brethren back home.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:34 PM
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People that want to reduce risks, should be able to enact policies to do so. Those that don't mind risks, should move to places that have people that also like those risks. Of course "But I was here first!" then starts and you've at an impasse. I'd argue the 'risk takers' should move due to the fact their mentality on life is incapable with modern philosophy on human interactions and interpersonal relationships we are forced to have as a large population of city-dwellers. Their mentality is a bi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:29 PM
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You didn't find a russian wife? From reports they're pretty pissed with russian men at the moment and would love to date a westerner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:26 PM
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Why would anyone want someone to die alone? Women don't think that about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:25 PM
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Some definitely are being exploited but a decent amount(hopefully majority) aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:24 PM
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I think most BPers don't mind it as long as the person is being wholesome/morally good about finding a partner. If they're exploiting the possible knowledge and experience gap, then its a bit creepy. If you're looking for a woman within your same IQ/socioeconomic circle/etc then its perfectly smart thing to do if you can find anyone local, or if you particularly love the culture of that person. I think it's kind of cool there's like a couple thousand women going over to SKorea and marrying guys …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:21 PM
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3 out of 4 homes have a father in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:19 PM
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In the gaming community its not really an issue. I suspect gym culture also doesn't mind it, if anything the older guys can feel like a hero by teaching the young dude how to lift properly and shit. People forget there's definitely a little bit of a genetic component to male bonding. There's a reason why most mentorships throughout history have been much older man and younger boy/man(and no not just pederasts.)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:17 PM
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I live in the south and 18 year olds do sometimes date broke ass 40+ year olds. Daddy issue girls though looking for acceptance in the wrong places.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:15 PM
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Also a shit dad for what he's doing to his trans daughter. Like its 2023, support your fucking children if they're not being harmful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:14 PM
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The people that care about 40 year old cis het men and 20 year old cis het women, definitely care about 40 year old cis gay men and 20 year old cis gay men. Same power imbalance. Same issues are raised. Same predatory issues are raised. You need to expand your social circle and talk about these topics, cause people are decently consistent with their beliefs around age gaps across the board. Also yes same issues with lesbians. Although the 'predatory' thing is less of an issue in theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:11 PM
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The same people who shame a 45 year old man for marrying and starting a family with a 20 year old woman will celebrate an obese woman as a lingerie model and two men sticking their dicks up each others asses during pride parades. Because two men are consensually having a great time(I'm assuming this is at Folsom Street Fair where public sex has been normalized?) on an equal power level, the obese woman is empowering herself and others vicariously through her because "fat chicks aren't cute" was …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:07 PM
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The qualities we look for in friends vs lovers are two different things. No we don't. We add a few more qualifiers for 'lovers' but its still the same base needs as 'friendship' is for friends. Unless you're one of those "You can want to be in a relationship with someone you're not friends with." I've never seen a friendless-romance last. you'll show her parts of you the boys will never see. Also you should be sharing all those bits of yourself with your friends. Why would you hold back with peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 04:03 PM
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High Libido women definitely have a similar 'hungry' for sex that cis men have. I have FTM friends and their libido is the same or even higher than most cis males. Testosterone is a helluva a drug.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 03:59 PM
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Nooo stepbro. ;(
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 03:56 PM
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Gaypilled?!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 03:55 PM
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Economy would crash, peace would be declared in Ukraine, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 03:55 PM
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Women should definitely approach more and initiate more. I don't see any genuine downsides to society encouraging women to be more direct in saying "I like you." Women currently play way too hard to get sometimes and that is a downside. Men should be more emotionally direct especially sharing positive feelings they're having.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 03:53 PM
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It's a moderately poor representation of whether a woman likes you or not. Women often report they'd rather sleep with someone they don't have much desire to have a relationship with, over the person they'd rather have a long term fulfilling relationship with. Yes this is a bit of a weird quirk that some women have, but its not a lie and it's reasonably logical from their pov.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 03:50 PM
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Most peoples first, sometimes several, times are not that great. Like overall its great because of the life step you're taking but that actual orgasm-to-fun ratio is much lower. In general I recommend people to have sex at least once with someone half way decent, and that'll allow you to experience that life changing moment and be able to better direct your thoughts and feelings towards the next person without having the virginity thing looming over your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 03:48 PM
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This survey seems much different than past surveys on this topic. Usually couples that live together a long time stay together for longer than couples that jump into living together after marriage, and don't realize they're much more incompatible than before. I'm gonna have to call major BS on this survey. Especially if they didn't investigate the reasons why couples broke up. quickedit: Oh this is for 'breakup' period, not just marriage. For married couples the effect is dramatically better, wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 03:43 PM
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