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Question for RedPillquantumtrollening/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 01:30 PM
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Now that I'm not dealing with the Monday crunch and actually have some time to respond... You're such an NT. That's surprising, one of my partners (the one who cares about myers-briggs) strongly types me as NF. Guess that goes to show how strongly environment and mood affect persona. Do you find myers-briggs useful as a model for understanding social behavior? Lightheaded? From the blood I assume? Not exactly. From the pain, maybe? Scenes where a character is doing something excruciating to them…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 02:54 PM
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May or may not be, depends on the amount of physical intimidation and threats involved in those redpill "techniques". Meanwhile all the field reports where a man simply ignores his victim's saying "no" (because it was a "soft" no, or it was LMR for him to push through, or he was busy going caveman, etc) are definitely rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/17 01:59 PM
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The followers of TRP only object when the rapist themselves call what they did rape, and even then TRP won't always object to the rape. As long as the rapist uses the approved euphemisms for their rape, TRP will cheer them on and defend them, much as you are doing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/17 01:47 PM
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I live in the US. In the South, which is the more socially conservative part of the country. If our self-descriptions are similar but our life experiences are different then either our circumstances have been different, or one of our self-descriptions is inaccurate. Which do you think it is?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 11:18 PM
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Yes, but it's not under someone's conscious control. Remember how I'm apparently flirting with most people, yet unaware of it and not consciously deciding to do it? I'm perceived to be flirting with people I'm not attracted to as well, if I'm comfortable and having a good time. If someone based their actions on my body language, both they and I would have a bad time. I'm a living embodiment of "they said no but their body said yes". So while body language can be useful, it's less trustworthy tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 07:47 PM
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do you have a definition of masculinity and femininity that you reject? I'm not sure how to answer this question. I've been asked before what I consider to define masculinity, and the best response I could come up with was "whatever male-identified people do". But that includes sucking cock, getting tied up and degraded, dressing in drag, doing hair and makeup, etc. Because it turns out, male-identified people do everything, same as female-identified people do. As an aside, thank you for an enjo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 07:43 PM
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But that's just the thing: gender isn't a useful concept. It's not useful for understanding social situations, it's not useful for entering into or maintaining relationships, it's not even useful for getting laid. So no, I don't have an alternate social theory centered around gender to point you to, because I don't base my world view around that concept. It's like...I'm an atheist, you're a Christian. We talk, and you come to understand that I completely reject your religion. "Ok," you ask, "do …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 07:26 PM
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I hadn't realized that there was a book with this title, but yes, yes I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 07:14 PM
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Unless the other person and I have previously explicitly negotiated the circumstances and boundaries within which "no" does not mean no (so, unless there is negotiated consensual non consent), yes, "No" means no.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 07:13 PM
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Do you get scared by horror movies often? Nah. For me a lot of the interest in horror movies isn't in their inspiring fear (since as a rule, they don't), but in figuring out the rules of the in-movie world. A lot of horror is supernatural in nature (even the ones that aren't explicitly supernatural, have the baddies display clearly-supernatural speed, strength, and endurance), and they rarely spell out the exact rules of the setting. I enjoy trying to come up with head-canon that adequately expl…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 07:09 PM
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If I ask questions and don't answer them, I get told that it's not your job to google answers to my questions. If I answer my own questions to make you think, and put the burden on you to find a better alternative explanation that fits evolutionary biology, then I'm wasting your time by answering my own questions? If you ask me questions about things that you can't learn just by using Google, sure, I might give you some of my time and provide answers for them. If you ask me something like "What'…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 06:36 PM
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Because who they are and what they're like is a huge component of whether or not someone is attractive. I've known very physically attractive people who you couldn't pay me to get involved with once I got to know them better, and physically unattractive people who I was enthusiastic about fucking after getting to know them better. I realize that's not how it works for everyone, but it's how it's always worked for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 06:12 PM
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If you're going to answer your own questions, why bother wasting someone else's time by asking them? If you have nothing you're capable of learning from other people, if there's no research you're willing to do in response to these conversations, why even involve the other person at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 05:44 PM
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So if TRP makes no definite predictions or claims about the world, it's not falsifiable. Literally anything that happens, will be explained by and compatible with TRP. What is the value of a theory that predicts nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 05:39 PM
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Yup! I'm a little fat-phobic; I don't require that people necessarily be athletic for me to be interested in them, but obesity is a huge turn-off for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 05:38 PM
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How do you feel about violence and death? Do you avoid violence and dislike horror? I don't think that violence is something someone should have strong feelings about, beyond recognizing that it's undesirable and trying to avoid it. I enjoy cheesy and campy horror movies, and love disempowering vidjamagames (which are frequently filed under "horror"). My partners have usually enjoyed the horror genre too, there's something about it that's fun and interesting in a way that isn't shared by straigh…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 05:35 PM
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Why is it my job to google the answers to your questions? You have the internet. You're perfectly capable of realizing that your first question has an incorrect premise (women sometimes pay for sex too), your second question is related to how people are socialized, and your third question is the same as the second.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 05:16 PM
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Haha, of course. TRP makes all these ironclad predictions about the world, the things that "always" and "never" happen, etc. When presented with contradictory life experience the answer is always "You're lying!", "Well maybe you're an exception but that doesn't invalidate the rule", or "wait [some conveniently long amount of time] and you'll see that we're right after all!". What's convenient about that amount of time, obviously, it's that it's always so long that reddit won't be around by then …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 05:10 PM
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you sound highly masculine, It's clear you haven't met me and don't know what I look like. I've only started doing regular exercise in the past two years; before then I was very skinny and out of shape from childhood through my mid-20's. I've had brightly-colored, unnatural hair since high school (and still do). I went through a mall-goth phase; I still cringe to remember myself wearing those dumb fingerless gloves all the time in college. And reputedly, I sound like a woman when I fuck; I guess…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 04:40 PM
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Have you ever considered that your early high school success might be attributed to women 14-16 being more desperate and not realizing their power over men yet? No, because nothing's changed. I'm in my late 20's now, and my romantic experiences have been relatively consistent (at least in terms of sex, which is all TRP cares about) pretty much non-stop between my late teens and now. People are attracted to largely the same things now as they were then: to who I am, and how I treat people. maybe …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 04:28 PM
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Exactly! All of my partners have been people I've been strongly physically attracted to, but most of them haven't been the girl or woman who followers of TRP would pick out of the crowd as "the hot one" that they'd like to bang. Because honestly, who cares? I'm not having sex to impress the bros, I'm having sex to have fun sex, and physical appearance is relatively low in the list of traits that help make that happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 04:01 PM
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Do you think you ever come off as desperate or clingy? No. I'm comfortable being who I am. If someone likes me or wants to spend time with me, cool. If they don't, their loss, I wish them well and keep on doing my own thing. Someone else will come along who will enjoy and want my company soon enough, and being alone sometimes can be nice too. How nervous or anxious were you around women in high school and college? No more so than I was around men. People are people, their gender has never seemed…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 03:56 PM
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Most normal people would disagree with you. And since I don't care about the opinions of redpillers when it comes to what is rape or sexual assault, I'm comfortable accurately describing the content promoted in MRP and TRP as rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 03:46 PM
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It also helps (in my experience) to be willing to listen when women speak, and to accept that there will be things you (the general male "you", not you specifically) just can't understand about life as a woman because you've never lived it and weren't socialized that way. Caring about consent and actively seeking enthusiastic consent before any kind of play is also important. Kinks are sexual preferences you might just happen to share, not some natural, gender-essentialist shit that all women wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 03:44 PM
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"Pushing past LMR", "go full caveman on her", "pushed past a soft no", etc etc. MRP's community actively and unashamedly encourages marital rape (since they tend to believe you can't rape your property), and TRP's community frequently encourages lying or coercing women into sex they don't want. Is this confusing for you because neither TRP nor MRP acknowledge that the behavior they're condoning is rape, and instead call it by other names?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 03:37 PM
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I'm intelligent, like to listen to people and learn about them, I'm a caring and generous person and that shows in my speech and my behavior. I'm nice, and I care about people; that's rarer than you would believe, given how many assholes self-describe themselves as being nice. Beyond that, I haven't been too hung up on sex since I lost my virginity. Sex is fun, I enjoy it, and it's a nice way of sharing intimacy with someone you're fond of, but it's hardly important in the same way as emotional …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 03:32 PM
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I tried that in college, kinda. Doesn't do anything for me; I could barely even get hard. If I don't know the other person well, trust them, and feel certain that they're attracted to me and want me to fuck them, it just doesn't work for me. Even the people I consider one night stands when in college weren't complete strangers; they were casual acquaintances. I'll make out with an attractive stranger at a club or at a party, but that's it; anything beyond that requires a level of trust and secur…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 02:56 PM
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How do you think perspective shifts happen? When they're healthy? Usually by being exposed to a more coherent, more useful view of the world, seeing it benefiting the people around you, and gradually being converted over that viewpoint. No trauma required. Emotional vulnerability is a victim term. I'd say it's a term used by people who are aware that cults exist and how they work. Our minds are vulnerable to certain forms of attack and certain exploits, same as any other complicated machine. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 02:53 PM
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Eh. In high school I wasn't high-status, wasn't wealthy, didn't do sports, wasn't even particularly sociable, and I had a fair amount of sex. Even back then I was aware enough of my non-monogamy to only do open relationships, and I dated or fooled around with girls who either wanted the same thing or were ok with it. My favorite anecdote from back then was when I slept with my ex-girlfriend, then a friend, and then my girlfriend all within a 24-hour period, and my girlfriend complained that she …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 02:47 PM
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My life experiences are supposedly impossible. My current lifestyle is supposedly impossible. My very existence is supposedly impossible. TRP's beliefs require that people like me, lives like mine, people like my partners and sex like the sex I have cannot exist. Yet here I am. So it didn't really require a lot of thought to decide whether I thought TRP was full of shit or not. Beyond that, interacting with women and non-binary people for any amount of time disproves many cherished TRP beliefs. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 02:18 PM
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They're just one cheating girlfriend away from understanding. One pump and dump from Chad away from it clicking. So for most people, TRP's belief system won't be convincing unless it is presented to them at a time of emotional vulnerability? What does it imply about a belief system when it's only palatable to people in a highly emotional state?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 02:13 PM
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(Most of) the sidebar isn't advising lost young men to become rapists; the TRP community is. The sidebar hasn't itself raped anyone; many TRP luminaries have. The sidebar didn't vote for Trump; many followers of TRP do. The sidebar isn't a funnel pouring radicalized young men into /r/incels and the like; the TRP community is. And so on and so forth, I'm sure you get the point. TRP's ideology is wrong, it is an inaccurate (and pathetically simplistic) description of the world. But that's hard to …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 02:11 PM
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Do you think that it's web design that makes a site credible instead of, y'know, verifiable sources?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 11:29 AM
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It's been my experience. Why, do you find that the more opportunities someone gets to know you, the less attractive they find you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 10:17 AM
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So then women aren't attracted to TRP men, they're attracted to attractive men. Attractive men tend not know or care about TRP's snake oil, and unattractive men aren't going to learn how to be attractive from other unattractive men. ...so, why are we supposed to take you seriously when you say that TRP makes you attractive to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 10:13 PM
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Its disingenuous because no one is arguing that women want men who are unattractive. Oh yes they are; followers of TRP claim that women find TRP men attractive constantly. This is what OP is responding to: why would women be attracted to TRP men, when they are overwhelmingly unattractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 08:06 PM
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Suppose some one is making the argument that most ravens are black, and asks me to argue otherwise, but says that white ravens don't count. That analogy is actually perfect, because even when you point to the few albino ravens that exist, the majority of ravens are black and that was all that was being claimed. Just like with OP's post, the majority of TRP men are unattractive and that is all that is being claimed. Pointing to some imaginary successful TRP men doesn't change the nature of the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 05:55 PM
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And so, the whole thing devolves into circular reasoning and defining your way to success. By definition, men who follow TRP well are successful. Therefore, By definition, the unwanted and unattractive men who OP describes (despite their being the majority of the TRP community) are not representative of TRP men. Which means, By definition, OP is being disingenuous if they're questioning why women would want TRP men; if they weren't being disingenuous, they'd admit from the start that women autom…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 04:48 PM
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OP is talking about TRP men who fail to be alpha, No, OP is talking about TRP men in general. That's why the title is "Why Would Women Want a TRP Man?" and not "Why Would Women Want a TRP Man Who Is Bad At Following TRP?". That said, the OP is being kind of disengenous, the obvious implication of her post is that if women don't want TRP men, then TRP is not effective. Well that's a good point, let's talk about... But OP is only considering those who fail, not those who succeed. ...nvm. Do you un…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 04:33 PM
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Good luck getting a discussion. The idea that "women want TRP men" is foundational to the TRP belief system; it neither needs supporting evidence nor can be disproved by contradictory evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 03:59 PM
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It's weird how much of a meme this is among mono people. Why does being in a long-term relationship make people want to fuck each other less? If anything, the longer you know each other and the more comfortable you feel in the relationship, the better and more frequent the sex!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 02:08 PM
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This assumes that there is a finite amount of good sex people can have, or a finite amount of real emotional intimacy people are capable of in their lives. Why do you feel that quality sex and emotional openness are finite resources?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 02:00 PM
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I don't think that "alpha" and "beta" are useful concepts. There's no such thing as an alpha, there's no such thing as a beta, and a system for faking social interactions which relies on these categorizations is always going to look stilted and artificial to normal people. There's a reason you usually don't hear normal people (bloops) respond when PPD is asked about alphas: normal people don't think alphas or betas exist, and don't waste time obsessing over which one they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 01:41 PM
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Man, you guys must've creamed yourselves when you realized you could get a female-presenting person to say this for you.
/r/MensRights01/03/17 01:30 PM
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Inaccuracies in self-reported data can be accounted for through statistical methods. This kind of thing (using surveys to learn about people's habits) is a mature science at this point; we're not reading chicken bones or tea leaves. Why do you feel such hostility toward scientific measurements of how much sex people have? Shouldn't you love this sort of thing? After all, you're convinced that the data would support TRP's "80/20" split, aren't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 10:50 PM
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There absolutely is when it comes to how much sex people have. Why would you feel something so easily measurable would be unknown and unknowable?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 07:34 PM
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trp is empirically observation based, not "studies" based in any social sciences sense. You don't have a very clear idea of what a study is, huh? Or of how the scientific method works?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 05:13 PM
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Ha! That's cute. Do you believe that my stating my personal preferences for who I date, and your claiming objective biotoofs about all feeemales are equivalent? In other words: do you believe you need as little evidence to support your truth claims as I need to state my personal preferences?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 04:02 PM
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Women are much more sexually selective than men. Is simply stating your beliefs what constitutes an argument these days? Why would they fuck a higher % than that? Do you believe that it is possible to armchair-philosopher your way to empirical truth about the world? Have you heard of the scientific method and experimental confirmation? Do you believe that when making quantitative claims about the world, just maybe it might pay off to examine the world itself in any way? Put another way: instead …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 03:55 PM
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You're so poor you can't go outside and do free stuff. Given that they report working 6 days a week and being too exhausted on the 7th day to use the daylight...yes? Leisure activities take time and energy, and not everyone has those luxuries.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 03:46 PM
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Is simply stating your beliefs what constitutes an argument these days?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 03:44 PM
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Kids these days, looking all different from how kids looked back in my day! It's different, therefore it's terrible!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 03:41 PM
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I have nothing constructive to add to this conversation; somehow, I suspect that expressing my condolences would be inappropriate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 12:57 AM
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Doing some reading to find an answer to your question would be a lot of effort...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 06:17 PM
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Then they'd still be religious, wouldn't they? Them knowing not to proselytize is the least of it; religious people tend to have weird morals and sexual hangups. It's fine with me if they want to be like that, but why should I invite that into my life?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 05:53 PM
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I've already covered both extensively in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 02:00 PM
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I'd hope so, yes. The alternative is not unrealistic, but pretty bleak for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 02:35 AM
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It's true that media is moving into a post-fact era, with trumpets leading the way. Is this tragic degradation of our once-great country something you celebrate?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 09:39 PM
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Whatever floats your boat, bud. I'm glad you find me so interesting!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 06:10 PM
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This seems to continue happening. You jump in on my conversations with someone else making some objections, I address your objections and offer to teach you some new things, you respond that the conversation isn't worth your time and stop responding. Well either that, or suffer a semi-stroke and start copy/pasting the same questions at me over and over again. I'm not sure what to make you, friend. If you're trying to get my attention, why do you get shy and clam up once you receive it? And if yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 06:05 PM
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And yet, you felt the need to start this boring conversation with me. If you felt that there was nothing you could conceivably learn from speaking with me, what motivated you to seek me out?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 05:31 PM
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Neat! Enjoy your day!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 05:29 PM
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In general terms: a narrowness of intellectual sight, brought about by an ignorance of history and of our place in it. It's provincialism, but instead of being caused by geographical/cultural ignorance it's caused by historical ignorance. Were you having trouble googling it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 05:28 PM
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Cool. If you were unwilling to consider my statements or debate them, why'd you comment at me in the first place? Did this conversation not go the way you felt it would've?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 05:26 PM
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Women prefer to marry up. You're just repeating redpill biotoofs at me as if they were objectively true or uncontroversial. What's the point of doing this? You know I don't already believe them, and you're just flatly stating them without supporting them; is this supposed to be convincing somehow? not only do feminist women not want feminist men (the irony) ...you're really saying this with a straight face, huh? Well, both my girlfriends are feminists, and they both specifically look to date fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 05:22 PM
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What world do you live in? Same one as yours. Thank you for asking! I am absolutely expected by most people to fit my gender role. This is still true of everyone to some degree; unfortunately, I'd still get some weird looks for wearing a dress to work. If you're complaining that feminism, while it has improved your life and freedom immeasurably in the past 100 years, still hasn't completely emancipated you from gendered expectations...wouldn't that be a reason to actively support feminism, inste…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 05:11 PM
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The difference is that now being an anti-feminist is starting to be considered cool even among women. Oh man, you really are unaware of the history of your movement, huh? Hating suffragettes was the default, popular position when the movement started. Now, ask people what they think about "mgtow" or "redpill" and see how they react. If you draw a line between "your position was the mainstream, default position that people would praise you for if you voiced it in public" 100 years ago and "your p…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 05:05 PM
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Translation: You can't generalize, You should be careful about generalizations; they can be useful, but they will never be 100% accurate and it is extremely important to keep that in mind. nothing can ever really be known about men, women, The only thing that all men have in common is that they identify as "men"; ditto for women. So no, these are not useful categories for understanding people. sex, Sex is a skill, and you can get better at it, sure. Not sure what its relevancy in this list was t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 05:00 PM
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why do we need more women and minorities in protagonist roles? ...what? I get the impression that you're eager to have a conversation I'm not interested in, here. I'm sorry if you're upset by women and people of color being protagonists in some movies, but this probably isn't the best place to complain about that. At the very least, I personally don't care about your opinion enough to want to debate this topic in a thread about "How has your views on relationships and gender changed over the yea…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 04:53 PM
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I did! It was you listing what you felt "the Blue Pill world" must "look like". And in some ways you were somewhat right: some of the general population do believe some of the things you listed, to some degree. Does that mean that every normal person believes every thing you listed? Nope. Does that mean that every normal person agrees with every other normal person on how the world works? Nope. So: does that mean that there is a coherent set of normal-people beliefs? Unfortunately, nope. The wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 04:50 PM
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...did you just link to your own post asserting the thing you wanted to say? That post is literally you saying this: I think the Blue Pill world looks something like this: and then listing what you feel the blue pill belief system must be. I'm still a little unclear on this: do you feel that quoting yourself makes your feelings seem more objective?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 04:40 PM
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The problem is that while feminism has helped women, it has done so at the cost of men. Nah. Feminism has freed everyone to be who they want to be without having to worry nearly as much about gendered expectations of their behavior. I'm a man, and my life today wouldn't be possible without the ways in which feminism has forced society to grow up in the past 50 years. you cannot expect men to sit by the sidelines while they lose more in society. This premise is wrong (that feminism hurts or has h…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 04:27 PM
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Nah, you just triggered some twerps. They get upset when people's life experiences don't match their expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 04:16 PM
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Lots of people assume worse about poly folks. But you're right, I shouldn't be rude to mono folks just because the existence of poly people is either erased or vilified on this sub on a daily basis. I'm sorry if being treated as if your relationship style revealed some personal shortcoming in you hurt your feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 03:18 PM
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You've never heard me talk about my Dwarf Fortress fortresses, or seen me disappear for days playing CK2 or EU4 or Stellaris (yes I'm a paradox fanboy, fite me). "Nerdy" doesn't mean "asshole", and "antisocial" doesn't mean "socially inept".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 02:15 PM
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I have! And that's why the redpill is hilarious to me. In high school I was a dweeby, nerdy guy who didn't lift, wasn't built, wasn't rich, didn't have high social status, etc, and I got laid plenty. Like, "sleep with three girls in one 24-hour period" plenty (though my girlfriend was the one who I saw third that day, and admittedly she was pretty miffed at how sexually exhausted I was by the time I got to her). In college I was a depressed, antisocial stoner on the way to dropping out, and I go…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 02:05 PM
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Nothing, if that's what you're into. It's not for me though; a monogamous person would probably be uneasy about my other partners, and I'd be uneasy about their ability to commit long-term to a relationship that wasn't centered around sexual ownership. I've heard of poly-"mono" relationships that apparently work decently well for the people involved, but pfft, who needs that hassle in their lives? I'd rather have a nice poly girl than any of those wild mono chicks, any day.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 01:54 PM
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I actually WISH THE BLUE PILL WERE TRUE What do you mean by that? There isn't any coherent set of "blue pill" beliefs to wish were true; there are coherent red pill beliefs, and then there are people who think those red pill beliefs are silly and bullshit and enjoy pointing and laughing. But the reasons why I point and laugh at redpillers are going to be different from the reasons someone else points and laughs, and this hypothetical other normal person and I might not agree on much about dating…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 01:49 PM
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I am very objective and if you present me with facts to prove me wrong I will change my opinion. Unlike almost everyone else. Do you understand that many more people self-report this trait than actually possess it? My experience has been that people who believe this about themselves are, if anything, less likely to respond well to facts that prove them wrong; this experience seems common among progressives, given how much of a trope someone saying what you just said is. Given that, do you feel t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 01:35 PM
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How do you determine when anonymous commenters online are making things up, and when they're honestly relaying real things that really happened? Would you agree that a significant part of your judgment on whether someone is lying or being honest is whether their story confirms your pre-existing beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 01:23 PM
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If you say so! That doesn't match my experience, but then, I'm probably lying out of spite. Which brings us around to the question I just asked you: What's the point of participating in PPD? You already know that everyone with experiences which contradict your beliefs is lying, because we just hate how right you are and want to mislead you. So if you already know that everyone who doesn't agree with you is lying or a shill, what's the point of reading any of it or commenting on it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 01:13 PM
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Somehow these women who love blue pill men don't seem to exist around me? They almost certainly do; after all, most women prefer normal men as partners and that's all that "the blue pill" is: normal people. But we're getting sidetracked. Given that you believe this: Could it be that people make shit up to keep denying the redpill? No, of course no one lies on the internet. What's the point of participating in PPD? You already know that everyone with experiences which contradict your beliefs is l…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 01:02 PM
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Atleast as of recent feminism is actually facing a growing opposition. And not just going on with their dikey man hating practically unopposed like they have for so long. Are you really unaware of the long tradition you belong to? There've been guys with your beliefs and your reaction against le evil feminists for literally a hundred years. Why do you feel that your objection to a fight you already lost is "growing opposition"? Do you feel that redpill fanfics and mgtow memes are going convince …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 12:57 PM
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I've become more patient with some things, and learned zero tolerance for others. I no longer give religious or monogamous people the time of day; I don't care how cute, kinky, or otherwise-attractive they might be, some things are just deal-breakers and I'm ok with saying that openly and early on now. I never felt that school or Hollywood "taught" me anything though, so that hasn't been something I've felt I had to unlearn. It's interesting noting how common that meme seems to be among redpille…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 12:50 PM
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Nah, male bloops don't real.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 11:14 AM
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Being in a poly relationship requires being secure enough to not mind your partners sleeping with other people. You say "no moral judgment", but doesn't that make you a beta cuck?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 10:56 AM
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Does it bother you that your response to anecdotal evidence directly depends on whether that evidence confirms your beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 10:49 AM
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If you say so dude! There's a reason I find "redpill truths" so hilarious: my life experience directly contradicts them in like five different ways. But you're not required to believe my self-reported experiences; I don't believe redpill fanfiction "field reports" after all. The OP did ask...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 08:16 AM
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Yup! One did ballet and thus was necessarily pretty slim, the other two were curvy. Nobody weighed more than 130-140 lbs though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 09:52 PM
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I mean, I've never been super interested in NSA sex. My favorite relationships when I was younger (back in high school) were sleeping with my close friends; these days I'm poly and date multiple people. This question seems pointless though. Back in high school I was the dweeby geeky guy who didn't have much social status and didn't care about much of anything, but at one point I was sleeping with my girlfriend, my ex-girlfriend, and a FWB concurrently (they all knew about each other and consente…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 09:18 PM
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weirdo fetish poly BP people Love u 2 bby
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 09:11 PM
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I explained why this should be removed: breaks the rules and contradicts the spirit of the sub. Did you have something to contribute to that conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 11:28 AM
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So you feel that a feminist meme from mid-2015 is now going to gain greater social impact and hurt innocent bystanders' feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 05:51 PM
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"Not wishing pain and death on you opponents" is what I would consider basic decency. Where did that come from? Do you feel that feminists laughing among themselves at the ridiculousness of misogynist accusations (in exactly the same way as atheists laugh among themselves about that silly "baby eater" meme), is wishing you pain or death? How'd you make that astounding leap of logic? if the shoe was on the other foot, you'd call this marginalization If the "shoe" was on the foot of any marginaliz…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 05:47 PM
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So...no, you don't think anyone outside the manosphere knows or cares about the "maletears" meme?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 05:42 PM
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Do you think anyone outside the manosphere knows or cares about the "maletears" meme?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 05:20 PM
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Do you feel you have to fuck everyone you're friendly toward?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 05:15 PM
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First thing first, a woman's body/appearance is her most valued asset. No other measure comes close and that can not be argued or hamstered. Why is this post allowed here? It's like starting a post with: First things first, a woman's hypergamous nature is her most important mental trait. No other trait comes close and that can not be argued or hamstered. If we're allowing posts that start out by assuming that TRP is right about everything, what's even left for non-misogynists to debate?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 05:12 PM
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To have healthy long-term relationships? Absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 04:44 PM
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You can't simultaneously demand empathy while "hitting them while it hurts". We're not, though. Manosphere types were never going to be allies anyway; just about the best that we can hope to do is minimize their social "voice" and wait for them to age out of the population and have trouble passing on their lack-of-values to their children. Some feminists are more optimistic than I am, but personally, I'm not interested in winning over the hardcore online misogynists. I just want to laugh at them…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 01:22 PM
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What makes your complaints valid and your opponent's mere whining? You answered your own question: what differentiates our critiques of society from manosphere whining is that our complaints are valid. When we point to injustices in hiring, in social expectations, in different pay for equivalent work etc, we are pointing at demonstrably real injustices that anyone can recognize. When manosphere types are complaining about how short hair on women oppresses them or "wahhhhh what about the menz?!?"…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 01:18 PM
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Kindness will always be a positive trait for your partners and friends to have. But you're right that the safer people feel, the less likely they are to accept "meets the minimum standards of human decency" as enough to justify sleeping with someone by itself. Being a good person is necessary but not sufficient to being a good partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 01:06 PM
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...he said, talking about an obvious troll with a user name referencing "his" game.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 01:02 PM
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If you say so bud. Enjoy your day!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 12:27 PM
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I don't get it...do you feel that the Pew article in some way contradicts the articles I linked? How? The articles I linked show some practical examples of racial and gender discrimination, which show that equality of opportunity has not yet been achieved in our society. Your article in turn shows that equality of outcome still hasn't happened either; women tend to have to take more interruptions from men (why is that, do you think?), and they tend to have to find work in lower-paying fields and…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 12:26 PM
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None what you said made zero sense. So...it all made complete sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 12:04 PM
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Which word did you have trouble with?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 11:45 AM
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Sorry, I don't think time with my girlfriends and a good night's sleep was ever likely to make me more misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 11:19 AM
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If you say so! If you feel that you already know my beliefs and attitudes, what's even the point of talking with me? What could you hope to gain from conversation, when you already know everything there is to know going into it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 12:22 AM
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Meh, lost interest. Maybe I'll care enough to pay attention to you again tomorrow.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 12:15 AM
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It's annoying, unproductive, and unjustifiably self-centered. I'd like to note that ordinarily I'd avoid gendered insults, but y'know, speak to your audience in a language they understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 12:09 AM
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respect is earned not given Not talking about respect bro, talking about politeness. Do you understand the difference between the two?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 09:13 PM
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Why not just say "misogynist tears"? Misogynists come in all genders. I agree, but unfortunately, I don't get to decide which memes become most popular (that would be our top-secret cabal of feminazi overlords, but shhhhh, don't tell /u/dakru). I'm assuming "male tears" just flows better when spoken and written, so that's what stuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 08:49 PM
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Saved your comment with the link to read it later. I'll be honest dude: it's been a long day, and I'm too tired for gender studies atm. Glad you found the conversation useful though!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 08:46 PM
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poly is abnormal It's nice that you think so. I think that mono relationships are inherently based on insecurity and emotional immaturity, and that if people are sufficiently mature they'll naturally become poly. Y'know what the difference between your belief-that-you're-better-than-me and my belief-that-I'm-better-than-you is? I have enough basic politeness not to throw my beliefs in your face, because I'm a goddamned civilized human being and not an asshole. How have you made it this far in li…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 08:45 PM
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And "being a whiny little bitch" is predominantly used as an attack on men, due to gender roles giving more stigma to men "whining". You've never read the youtube comments on feminist videos, huh? Not using gender roles in your efforts to mock people you disagree with would be a good first step. Good thing laughing at male tears has nothing to do with gender roles, then!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 08:31 PM
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Which do you argue for? The meaning in which having a black-sounding or feminine name does not impact the rate at which you receive job application call-backs, or the starting wages which you're offered when compared to a white guy with identical qualifications.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 08:31 PM
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So it's bad for men to "whine" Still not getting it bro. It is bad for you to whine, because being a whiny little bitch is bad. Your gender doesn't come into it; if large numbers of women were constantly whining about society improving and how hard and unfair they found those changes, we'd make fun of them too. Do you disagree that these gender roles exist? Nope, unfortunately social expectations centered around presented gender still exist. We're working on it though; hopefully someday they won…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 08:17 PM
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What is your definition of equality of opportunity? Simple: Look at each word in that phrase ("equality of opportunity"). Use the standard dictionary definition of that word. And then parse the phrase in grammatically standard ways. how are you still pretending this is complicated oh my god
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 08:14 PM
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You haven't addressed any of the points I have made regarding equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome. What? Yes I have: you're using words in non-standard ways in order to justify an unjustifiable position, and the fact that you're trying so hard to justify it despite its irrationality leads me to suspect you're arguing in bad faith. How much more clearly do you need that spelled out? I'll ask again; what about my points of equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome do you disagree w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 07:54 PM
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The "male tears" insult simply wouldn't make sense if not for the idea that it's bad for men to cry. That's like saying that the phrase "crocodile tears" wouldn't make sense if not for the idea that it's bad for crocodiles to cry. Can you understand why this argument is nonsense? You might reply that they don't think it's bad for men to cry but they're using it because the people they're attacking believe that it's bad for men to cry. Nah. They're using it in the same sense that atheists joke ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 07:39 PM
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That doesn't excuse the fact that mocking "male tears" clearly involves shaming of male gender role non-compliance and reinforcing that gender role, Except no, it doesn't. And you wouldn't be pretending to believe it did, if you didn't feel that this was some point you could score against the big scary feminists that are improving society without asking for your approval or input. Mocking male tears involves mocking manosphere jackoffs, which are a small proportion of men and are unrepresentativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 07:18 PM
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Neat! If you don't care what others think, why are you participating in an online discussion community? Do you expect strangers to care what you think, or are you just screaming into the void?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 06:49 PM
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"male tears" Man, there's so much butt-hurt over this issue. Guess it really hit home with misogynists when feminists stopped taking the "that's misandrist!!" whining seriously and started making fun of it instead. I've already explained what feminists mean by male tears once today, and who they're talking to. Here is a decent explanation of the meme, what it means, and how it's used, if you're curious to understand something you obviously don't currently understand. decrying "virgin neckbeard l…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 06:39 PM
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I'm sorry to hear that. Cases like your brother's are why people like me say we still need feminism. Things have improved a lot in the past 50 years, but there's still a looooong way to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 05:47 PM
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If you say so. I'll be over here being my bi, poly, interracial-dating self and grateful that I haven't been beaten to death by angry white boys yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 05:35 PM
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In some senses it did impact on me negatively because I didn't fit in and felt like an outsider. I don't get it. Why do you feel that feminism is to blame for literally one of the things it's trying to fix?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 05:33 PM
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for a guy like me who likes normal women, See, that's much better. Still not quite respectful; you'd do much better to use words like "traditional" instead of exclusive words like "normal". But, you're framing your preferences in terms of them being your preferences instead of some objective measure of value. That's much better than how you were stating this before! And sure, poly relationships aren't a good idea for men interested in traditional, monogamous relationships. But it's not necessary…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 05:32 PM
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Yup, society is still very exclusive and very shitty to marginalized people. I'm sorry that you still experienced a pressure to conform to these artificial social norms; hopefully with time our culture keeps on improving and children feel these pressures less and less. You see what I meant about feminism affecting you, though? You're right: if you wanted to, you could easily ignore all the ways in which feminism has improved your life and believe that it didn't affect you. But that would be much…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 05:26 PM
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I must say that as a somewhat sensitive and rather intellectual male, I was still very much an outsider in my hometown and feminism had no impact on this whatsoever. When was the last time you got beat up for being a fuckin' faggot? Because without the progress that feminism has made in eroding traditional gender roles and making it ok for men to be sensitive and non-traditional (which was seen as "feminine" and therefore shameful), presenting that way would have gotten you social flak at the ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 05:21 PM
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God, this post was so long. Yall motherfuckers need editors. So how has feminism impacted on your life? And how would it impact on your life if you stopped reading the Internet? Well feminism and the positive changes that it's brought about regarding societal expectations of men enables me to live my life the way I like to, so... This seems like such a silly question. If you're a man and don't like cars, sports, bad beer and worse sex, feminism has been a god-send for you. If you're of either ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 05:11 PM
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You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. Are you trying to tell me, someone you know is poly, that the poly scene only works for people with no standards? Is that's what's happening right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 05:02 PM
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Isn't that true for literally all advice though: it only works for people with good judgment?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 04:55 PM
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Cool story, bro!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 04:03 PM
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You're too much, I just can't. No response I can come up with to your comments would be remotely constructive, and the mods tend to frown on people just pointing and laughing. So, y'know...you do you, bro. Keep on truckin'. Good grief, PPD really is the gift that keeps on giving...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 03:33 PM
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You feel that people from /r/theredpill are not TRP?! Ok then. Good talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 03:09 PM
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What do you think a "RPer" is? Someone who holds the same beliefs that TRP holds; almost always someone who reads and posts in the manosphere. So people from /r/theredpill, /r/mgtow, /r/incel, /r/mensrights, /r/pussypassdenied, /r/tumblrinaction, etc. Y'know, crazy embittered dudes who spend their time complaining online. Ironically, BPers call Trump a RPer and we just elected him president lol Eh, Trump's an old rich white dude. TRP has a hardon for him and Putin, but Trump doesn't know or care…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 02:23 PM
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What do you think a "BPer" is? We're just normal people who happened to be exposed to TRP and responded in the normal, healthy way: with laughter and disgust. Do you find it helpful to believe that the only people who could respond to the TRP cult with disgust are abnormal in some way?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 01:59 PM
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You really feel that gender supremacist beliefs are the norm, and that only a small minority of people don't believe in or care about your redpill beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 01:51 PM
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If it was they wouldn't mock men with male tears and what have you when men did express their emotions. Feminists tend not to use the phrase "male tears" to mock men expressing emotional vulnerability in appropriate situations (like: in private, with their trusted partners). We use the phrase "male tears" to mock men loudly whining online about the supposed injustices they face, and how everyone hates on the poor mens, and why are people even talking about feminine issues or topics when there ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 01:50 PM
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You say opportunity goes beyond the law, and I argue it doesn't. Because everyone is not equal, not everyone has the same amount of opportunity given to them. However, they are not banned from making the best of what they've got. Ohhhh, I think I see what's going on here. You're trying to lump "social privilege" with "innate abilities", so you can defend social privilege. The argument goes that since people have different innate abilities there already isn't going to be a complete equality of op…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 01:47 PM
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The "privilege" men have been losing and never systematically had to begin with? As apparently feminists think society has all been about the men and their woes (hint it's never been) I don't get it. Are you denying that male privilege is and has been a thing? This like running into someone who denies that the earth is spherical. What, do you think that every single US president and almost all world leaders for the entirety of human history were women in drag? how dare men speak up about their i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 01:42 PM
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To start I would like a source on this Sure thing! Here you go, this is the race-related study. The paragraph you're looking for is here: The results indicate large racial differences in callback rates to a phone line with a voice mailbox attached and a message recorded by someone of the appropriate race and gender. Job applicants with white names needed to send about 10 resumes to get one callback; those with African-American names needed to send around 15 resumes to get one callback. This woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 01:37 PM
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NO U Did you feel that your comment was productive or contributed to a meaningful conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 01:31 PM
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5'9", I guess? The other guys in my polycule range from significantly taller to significantly shorter than me, and they're dating some of the same women I am. So clearly height isn't a big requirement. Oh! And I don't even lift.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 12:47 PM
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Eh. I'm not a model, not wealthy, not socially dominant as TRP understands the term. Women have largely enjoyed receiving my attention. TRP really sets the bar way too high; one must suspect it's to help themselves feel better for failing to meet it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 12:17 PM
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Was this comment meant to be constructive?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 12:15 PM
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Every Red Pill guy was a "typical guy" before stumbling across The Red Pill. I wonder: how much of TRP's misunderstanding of normal people and healthy relationships stems from this one, wholly-false belief?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 03:20 AM
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Thank you for your input!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 12:45 AM
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Neat!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 12:44 AM
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That's nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 11:14 PM
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male tears Oh, do you mean manosphere whining about the erosion of traditional male privileges? Why do you feel that people's complaints about fairness should be taken seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 10:30 PM
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Which is always, because rigid gender roles hurt everyone. Was your comment intended to be constructive?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 10:17 PM
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I think that having blue flair is silly; it reinforces the idea that there exists some coherent ideology "counter" to TRP, and that's just not true. There isn't a Blue Pill opposed to TRP. All there is is TRP, and a broad spectrum of normal people amused and aghast that redpillers actually exist. Redpillers are already frequently confused and held back by over-categorical thinking. The current flair system only helps reinforce their delusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 10:13 PM
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It's a pleasure to make your acquaintance! It's also fascinating to learn a little of your life experiences; growing up in the more conservative parts of the US, mine have been a little different. It sounds like you might have grown up and live in a part of the world where feminism-as-feminism (which is to say, "feminism with a central focus on gender issues") might no longer be necessary for most people, which is wonderful! I'm curious: what do very-progressive people call themselves where you …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 10:07 PM
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However, there is no law saying a certain race or gender cannot do X. We already have equality of opportunity as a basis. Are you capable of understanding that more goes into creating "opportunity" than just the law on paper? The definition of that word does not limit itself to just legal limitations, and the only reason to artificially limit the word in this way is to be able to falsely claim that equality of opportunity already exists. This is usually done to justify arguing against any furthe…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 09:59 PM
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Equality of opportunity has already been achieved Demonstrably false: resumes with identical qualifications but feminine or PoC names attached are accepted at a lower rate than resumes handed in by Bryan or Josh. Not to mention that belief systems like TRP still exist: cults literally founded around the belief that women are mentally incompetent and unfit for intellectual or physical labor. Like I said: your inability to understand injustice doesn't negate its existence. Shame you seem unwilling…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 09:22 PM
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The problem is, feminism is all about equality of outcome and not opportunity. Man, this is such a pernicious manosphere meme. I guess it's necessary; the alternative would require recognizing that just because you personally don't notice when you encounter biases that favor you, doesn't mean those biases don't exist. Feminists usually support equality of opportunity, we don't much bother about equality of outcomes. Where we disagree with regressives is that we don't think that a couple of decad…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 09:11 PM
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So here goes: I always wanted to date a feminist, and never did, but not for lack of trying. Somehow they were not there to be found. Maybe I'm living in the wrong area or something. Mind if I ask where you live? Please don't give anything specific enough to doxx you, but I'm curious as to the general area. I'm in central Florida, and you'd think feminists would be thin on the ground around here, but there are plenty if you know where and how to look. The internet really has revolutionized the a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 09:06 PM
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The problem is everyone is not equal, and people's experiences are not equally valid. The problem is that 99% of the time, the people saying this follow it up with arguing for why their own personal experiences should be given more weight than everyone else's, why their happiness is more important, and why their behavior is inherently more moral. That really prevents this sort of argument from being taken too seriously anymore. Let's say you're right: everyone isn't equal, and some people are ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 09:02 PM
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Indeed I have, although admittedly my previous partners did not see themselves as feminists (although they certainly agreed with the ideals, as do I). Agreeing with some of the well-known ideals of feminism is different from being conscious of why some ideals are right and worth pursuing, or having committed to behaving in such a way as to improve society though. Do you think the response you got would've been the same if they or you had been feminists? I will also admit that it was quite uninte…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 08:25 PM
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But in my opinion if you look at these issues with a feminist framework in your mind you get a completely distorted picture and won't find good solutions. And discussions with you will be boring. But all that a feminist framework is, can be summed up with "everyone is equally human and everyone's problems and experiences are equally valid". That's it. Everything follows logically from there. Which part of that do you find objectionable?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 08:13 PM
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So your objection to feminism isn't what feminism is, but rather how feminism sounds? It just seems so mean and scary and inclusive, so you can't look past that to the substance of what it says?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 08:02 PM
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If you want more, first give evidence that it will not blow up in our faces. Isn't that something to be done on a person-by-person basis? Anyone being vulnerable and raw in public is going to get swarms of jackasses trying to use that opportunity to hurt them. Sucks that society has so many people like that, but there it is. Why talk as if public male emotional vulnerability alone is penalized? Or did you mean in private? Has it been your experience that male emotional vulnerability is punished …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 08:01 PM
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I don't have any problems with feminism or feminists; I'm an intersectional feminist, so are both my partners, so are their other partners, and so on. Feminism is very common in the poly and kink communities; usually if you're mature enough to have non-traditional relationships and non-traditional sex, odds are you're mature enough to have outgrown a lot of the silly crap people still believe about gender roles and gender essentialism. It'll be interesting to see what the followers of TRP respon…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 07:15 PM
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You can be aware of your shortcomings and not care about them. It was clear that you're either incapable of understanding what your comments communicate about you, or don't care as long as you got to assert your male supremacy in public; I was just curious as to which it was. I gather it's the latter, then? You're aware of how you look to normal people, but don't consider that a loss?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 06:37 PM
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And the reality just happens to be that your gender makes you inherently superior, right? I'm uninterested in getting in a debate with you about why your gender identity grants you moral superiority over silly feemales. But I'm curious: are you capable of understanding why onlookers will think that your beliefs must stem from feelings of inadequacy or inferiority? After all if you didn't desperately need a self-esteem boost, you wouldn't feel a need to turn to something as morally irrelevant as …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 06:18 PM
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...what?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 06:07 PM
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What point? He literally only said "the traits you want in a woman are masculine, you must want to be feminine". But the traits that the other guy described are just personality traits, nothing to do with penii or uteruses or any of that. I didn't disprove his point, because there's nothing to disprove. It's just inserting gender into a conversation where it's not relevant, and assuming gender essentialism to boot.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 05:56 PM
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Nah. I'm under 6'0" and don't look like Daniel Craig, or anyone comparable. Got plenty of attention from people I was attracted to in high school and college. If your looks and height aren't what's held you back from receiving the attention you want from the people you want attention from, what else do you think could be responsible for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 05:31 PM
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You seem pretty upset, bud. Don't you think this might be a good time to take a break from reddit for an hour or so? Get up, stretch, talk with your girlfriend or your pets or whatever for a bit. Maybe go for a walk! This kind of anger can't possibly be good for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 03:26 PM
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That's pretty incoherent, bud. Are you sure you're responding in the right thread? None of what you just said had any bearing to your previous statements, or to my requests for clarification on those statements. You doing ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 03:19 PM
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Do you feel that your fear of rejection is as visceral and terrifying a fear as other people's fear of being brutally murdered? In other words: do you feel that your being rejected is a tragedy of comparable serious to a woman being raped and killed?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 03:13 PM
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Hi buddy! It's nice to see you again; after you stopped responding in our last conversation, I was afraid I'd unintentionally hurt your feelings and that was why you'd stormed off. Glad to see you're eager to continue our discussion! Why do you feel that anyone else attributes any weight at all to your personal attacks and screeds? Because of the nature of this community and of redpillers in general: you are voluntarily a part of an approval-seeking community where you look to have other, more-s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 03:06 PM
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Also I ain't even a blue piller look at my flair is it blue?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 02:43 PM
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Glad you understand that! Maybe next time you'll be a little more hesitant to respond to "this thing is common" with "well I haven't personally experienced it therefore it cannot be common!!". It's one of those common redpill mistakes that can alienate you from normal people who haven't shared your life experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 02:39 PM
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You didn't answer any of my questions though. Are you capable of understanding that something (like the advice "women like to feel like women") can be mainstream without it being present in your own life?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 02:34 PM
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Your comment wasn't an observation at all; it was an attempt to classify what another commenter said they wanted in a relationship in terms of gender, when gender hadn't previously been relevant to what they'd described. Do you feel that your judgments and opinions are frequently "observations"? Why do you feel the need to pretend that your personal idiosyncrasies are objective facts about the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 02:33 PM
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I don't hear anyone say that phrase, therefore it obviously isn't mainstream advice, Do you feel that something has to be present in your own life for it to be mainstream? Do you accept it when other people use this same standard, or do you feel that only your own viewpoint should be this privileged in determining what can possibly qualify as "mainstream"? Do you understand that there are other demographics than your own, and something might be mainstream among those, even if not common in your …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 02:31 PM
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I don't think it's helpful to talk about which people "should" have basic human rights. If you don't like whiny men, don't be one or hang out with them. Saying that they're unworthy of privileges that you presumably feel you yourself are worthy of is unnecessarily shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 02:29 PM
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Eh, this is going to get circular. You were confused as to how "make her feel like a woman" can be such mainstream advice when most people don't even know about dread game, "oldest teenager in the house", feminine imperative etc. I explained to you how that advice was mainstream: because normal people have different meanings for the words involved than twerps do. If you're still confused by the situation, well, not much I can do to help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 02:25 PM
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that turn of phrase suggests that the man needs to complete the woman in some way, Except no, it doesn't. Why do you feel that "wants to feel feminine" is equivalent to "wants a man to complete her, since she's obviously incomplete by herself"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 02:16 PM
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The morals you scoff at are what distinguishes a man from a woman Sigh...what a lovely, succinct reminder of why I take several-month breaks from this shithole. It's possible to have standards for yourself without building them on a foundation of male supremacy bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 02:10 PM
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Idk, the idea that a man has make a woman feel like a woman is not advice often given in the mainstream these days. You might be making the mistake of reading "feel like a woman" in TRP terms, instead of in normal-people terms. When normal people say that a woman (who is attracted to men) being pursued by a man wants to be made to feel like a woman, they mean that she wants to be made to feel attractive, desirable, like he wants to fuck her. They don't mean that she wants to be made to feel disp…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 02:03 PM
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And there it is! Always back to gender roles and gender essentialism. What they want in a partner might not be what you want, but why try to make it all about gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 01:56 PM
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What I find attractive in prospective partners (of either gender): Intelligence Passion for their interests, eager to share them Willingness to try the things I like Compatible communication styles; if not naturally as verbal as I am, willing and able to communicate in the ways that make sense to me Same values as me Poly, duh. Also non-hierarchical Knows what they like and dislike sexually, eager to communicate that and learn what I like Compatible kinks/fetishes Bisexual Slutty, for lack of a …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 01:56 PM
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What a silly way to do non-monogamy. If people want to be sexually open, why not just acknowledge that the relationship is emotionally significant but you don't want to be monogamous? This reads like a monogamous person upset that non-monogamy is becoming more mainstream. Maybe unfortunate for confused mono people who end up hurt by their lack of understanding of non-mono relationships, but why try to make this about biotoofs and gender essentialism? Same thing happens with the genders reversed,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 07:15 PM
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Why is this here instead of on TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 03:08 PM
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I don't know what "most men" are taught; unlike followers of TRP, I try not to assume my personal experiences are universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 01:36 AM
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We don't. What people object to is TRP learning about basic forms of emotional manipulation which work on anyone, and congratulating themselves for figuring out a big secret about feeeemales.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 10:14 PM
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Extremely few people in my communities (poly and kink) are undersexed, of either gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 09:09 PM
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its just because your bad people. Do you feel that unless someone prioritizes your feelings enough to donate their time to your education, they must be bad people? Do you spend all your time trying to educate conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers, or are you a bad person? You can take time out of your day to mock me, but not to engage with me in good faith, Cost and benefit bro. Redpillers are by and large bad people; you pretty much have to be, to want to accept that self-serving belief system.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 07:43 PM
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Hey, if pretending to be something you're not makes you happy, you do you. More loving, enthusiastic sluts for me and others like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 02:52 PM
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no u
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 02:32 PM
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tell a woman that her pussy was mine and mine only, Ew, no. That is the opposite of what multiple people in this thread have told you. Why did you bother making this post at all? You already felt you knew what the responses would be and how the conversations would go; you've ignored or contradicted everyone with experiences that contradict your expectations. So what was the point of pretending this was meant to be a conversation or discussion? If you want to soapbox, TRP welcomes that sort of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 04:21 AM
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So the radical social innovation that TRP has brought us is moving the misogynistic "man talk" out of the gentlemen's clubs and onto the internet. It hasn't added anything to that talk, or to social understanding generally...it just encouraged its followers to sound foolish loudly, instead of in private. Revolutionary!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 12:06 AM
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I think we're being treated to a display of Amused Mastery. It's so impressive to see this in real life!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 11:36 PM
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Cool story bro. Why did you think your opinion of my kinks and sex life would be relevant to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 11:12 PM
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Except for why you don't do any activism for the causes that are supposedly so important to you. When it comes to that, it's all "gynocracy this" and "female imperative" that. Anything to justify complaining about problems but doing nothing to address them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 10:44 PM
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Nah, redpill beliefs in "what women want" (to be told what to do, live to please men, and be physically dominated) are also as old as dirt. On mobile though, so you'll have to find your own sources there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 10:41 PM
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Nope, I'm a dommy dom. I control my nesting partner's sleep and exercise schedule, and require my other partner to put on and take off my boots and wash me in the shower. Lots of hitting and degradation play, too. Do you feel that sexual insecurity possessiveness must be tied to sexual dominance?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 10:39 PM
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Haha, oh man. You should google "anti-suffragette pamphlets". Nothing TRP says about feminism or social progress is new, either in thought or in speech. Hell, most of these radical new ideas were being espoused by frightened men a literal century ago. The only innovations TRP brought to the table were its lingo and the length of its screeds; the latter, I suspect, only took so long because twerps no longer have to pay for ink.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 09:44 PM
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...he said, denying his agency and therefore his responsibility for his own failures. How convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 09:38 PM
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Pointing and laughing takes much less time and effort than trying to explain things to you which you seem incapable of understanding. Why do you feel that the only reason people might speak with you online is to dignify your beliefs with debate? Can you think of any other reason why people might find pleasure in commenting on your beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 09:22 PM
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You do you bro. Good luck following that script!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 09:18 PM
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Well to be fair, I don't ask strangers for their numbers either. Approaching randoms in public and both expecting them to give you their identifying information, and also expecting to have enough in common to enable conversation just from judging their physical attractiveness, is...kinda silly, I guess? We have the internet and dating sites, bothering people on the street or clubs seems like a backwards way to still be trying to do things.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 09:04 PM
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I was replying to you. You were saying that you either followed the Redpill/traditionalist playbook (If you're a man, always be the one to approach) or died alone. I was pointing out that social mores are changing, and more and more women are feeling comfortable making the first move. Both my current partners approached me instead of me approaching them, it can't be that rare. In b4 "herp u be high value mans, u no count derp". I'm an attractive person, sure, but a large part of the reason why I…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 09:01 PM
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It's the Red Pill way or the highway Nah, that's not how it works. Depends on which subculture you're hanging out in and how comfortable you are with yourself, but the times, they are a changin'.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 08:54 PM
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We stick to ours because we're stuck in them. We are? That's news to me. If you don't want to feel like you have to ask women out, just don't. Meet new people, show interest, and let them make the first move if they want to. You don't have to initiate if you don't want to, and it's probably harmful for you to believe that you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 08:50 PM
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Eh, I'd be doubtful. Would depend on my gut feeling about her I guess, but odds are I'd refuse. Why would I want to give my personal information to some random person who approached me on the street?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 08:48 PM
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Hes speaking of people who contest our views with pathos because they don't have a better argument. But that's just the thing: just because I have a better argument, doesn't mean I'm going to think it's worth my time explaining that argument to you. Think of a crazy homeless person who accosts you in the street, and starts babbling about chemtrails and cuckspiracies and whatnot. If you choose to engage with this person at all, you're not going to judge it worth your time to try to engage in a nu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 08:45 PM
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rp ideas often overlap with traditional views which have been accepted for thousands of years. Amen; in many ways TRP and the manosphere are just a continuation of the regressive temper tantrum that started when women started trying to gain the right to vote. Which is why it's so weird to see how TRP view themselves as radicals developing a new counter-culture ideology; they're literally preaching the same things our great-great-great-grandpappys believed about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 07:43 PM
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...are you blaming feminism for your poor life choices now?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 07:21 PM
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So are you unaware that feminists organize protests, and face retaliatory violence for their activism? Or do you feel that the whining you do on reddit is equivalent to the real-life activism that feminists and other social/political activists engage in? Do you....do you think you're engaging in activism right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 07:13 PM
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And you're upset that these injustices aren't prioritized over all the others in the world? After all, if feminists really cared about them, they'd be fixed already! I don't really get the goal behind your whining. You're constantly saying that men are disposable, that MRA's are unattractive and low-value, etc. You constantly argue that life simply can't get better for men like you because nobody cares about you. So what's the point of the constant complaining online? Is there no constructive pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 07:05 PM
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I'm not sure I understand your complaint. It sounds like you're complaining that the systemic injustices which negatively affect men haven't already been corrected, and pointing to the fact that they still exist as definitive proof that men are unwanted, unloved, disposable, second-class citizens. But it'd be silly to point to the group that faces the fewest injustices and argue that since they face any injustices at all, clearly they're the most oppressed. I try to be charitable when I'm discus…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 07:01 PM
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women talking about men's rights Who said anything about women? That subreddit's mostly male. You do understand that "feminist" doesn't mean "is female", right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 06:55 PM
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You didn't follow the link I provided you, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 06:47 PM
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Joining together as a group to discuss men's issues and help each other build a male identity in a changing society seems fairly positive. Instead of saying "these things can never be fixed because nobody cares about me men and I men are worthless and I men are always victims" etc, they discuss what it means to be a man today and help each other build broader and freer male identities. I didn't say that was activism; but it is positive, and does have value. Rather than trying to pick internet fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 06:36 PM
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Yo, non-hierarchical poly man checking in. Both my girlfriends have sex with other men. Everything is above-board: I've hung out with their husband or other boyfriend, we have polycule Shadowrun nights every other week, group dinners, that sort of thing. Had a threesome with my nesting partner and her other boyfriend a couple weeks ago, too. Fun times! Is this voluntary or involuntary? All this is voluntary. I would be very uncomfortable if either of them wanted to be monogamous to me, because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 06:30 PM
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Will you though? That seems like it'd require action and personal involvement, which are the very things you're making excuses for not doing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 06:21 PM
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Source? evidence? Factual basis? Prove it. Links or GTFO Sure, that's easy enough. Here, this is what a community taking positive action to discuss and address men's issues looks like. Feel free to lurk and hang out! Everyone's welcome, even MRA's.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 06:10 PM
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those will never go away unless the intelligent, disciplined people step up But why would we ever? All the MRA's I've spoken with (all of them on reddit, because I doubt they'd move in my social circles irl) sound like bitter failures who've chosen to latch on to the erosion of traditional male privilege as the cause of their failures instead of improving themselves or their lives. Like incels, but with the belief that their online whining should drive social change for some reason. What's funny…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 05:47 PM
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Have you heard of /r/menslib? It's still too welcoming of MRA's for my tastes, but it's a men's-issues subreddit that approaches these issues in the way you describe. Insofar as there are "men's issues", the only way they're going to be effectively addressed is by feminists. We're the only people talking about gender with enough brains and guts to organize and take action to change society and improve lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 05:33 PM
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That would require a higher degree of intelligence and self-discipline than what is currently visible in the MRA public figures, and that seems hard to manage; intelligent, disciplined people are usually too busy improving their own lives or enjoying living them to want to join a victim-mentality group like the MRAs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 05:30 PM
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Thus BP accusing RP/MRA of being whiners is basically them being backed into a corner and using the only cheap shot they got when it proves to be difficult to defend certain viewpoints This seems to be a common meme among the followers of TRP: that since normal people frequently choose not to bother debating them, it must be because normal people cannot debate them and that TRP viewpoints must therefore win by default. Do you feel obligated to defend every obvious fact you know when it's challen…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 05:25 PM
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They shouldn't have to do that though! Whining on reddit should absolutely be enough to cause large-scale social change, and if it's not, that's just proof of how oppressed white straight men really are. I say all this jokingly, but just ask LewisCross; I'm fairly sure this is the dude's actual belief system.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 05:17 PM
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I'm not advocating violence, but if I'm ever violent, it'll be your fault. Just look at all that personal responsibility!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 05:15 PM
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It's not about the hair length directly, it's about his woman having changed her own appearance without seeking his approval or prioritizing his preferences over her own. If his preferences aren't the number one priority for her, what's even the point of sex??
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 04:15 AM
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Nah, it's really not. But men who prefer short-haired women "aren't real men", so they don't count. That's STEM for you!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 03:28 AM
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I was asking you to defend this assertion in light of RPWs Oh, I thought you were asking for an example. Guess that's where the confusion came from. If what you were asking was that I get into a semantic argument with you about my word choice: nah, no thanks bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 05:42 PM
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does not prove But that's just the thing: I'm not trying to prove anything to you. Why did you feel that I would be? you can't support your argument Do you feel that "doesn't care about me enough to educate me" is equivalent to "can't support their assertions"? Let's say you accosted a physics professor at the mall and demanded that they defend quantum mechanics to you. The professor would, rightfully enough, laugh at you and go on about their day. Do you feel that you would then be justified in…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 02:43 PM
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I'm 14. And this deep.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 01:18 PM
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Doing nice things, trying to do what's right. In the end it doesn't count at all, That's funny, I've found that it counts for a lot in my life. But maybe that's because I measure value in ways other than "does this get my peepee touched?".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 01:17 PM
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Are you kidding me? That seems like a stretch. I'm confused. You seem not to agree with me about what constitutes a TRP temper tantrum, and that's neat I guess. Why do you expect me to care or argue with you about my experiences? I don't seek or value your opinion, so what's the point of providing it here? I was referencing your specific criticism of RP. I don't know that it holds, Here it is again! Why do you expect me to care about your opinions? Of course you don't understand the common criti…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 01:12 PM
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Oh?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 11:32 AM
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Short answer: yes. Long answer: yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 01:46 AM
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We don't. TRP co-opts some extremely basic self-help 101 stuff (have your own interests, set personal boundaries, expect respect for your agency and time) to draw in the marks before starting in on the industrial-grade crazy. Normal people sometimes remark on this basic self-help stuff and how it's used by TRP to make its insanity more palatable; maybe that's what you meant? All the stuff that is unique to TRP though, all the "new" ideas TRP brings to the table (like your belief that all men wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 01:44 AM
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We all know that male tastes are pretty much the same all over the board, Bwahahaha! ....oh wait, you're probably serious. Oh dear. What's the point of a discussion on PPD that starts with "We all know that TRP is right in many ways..."? Shouldn't this be posted somewhere like /r/theredpill, where its questionable premises would actually be agreed upon?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 08:54 PM
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....you feel that your divorce is my fault? What?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 08:52 PM
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So, can you point me to an RPW who has thrown a personal tantrum? Sure. I hung out in the PPD IRC at some point, until I was banned by atlas_b_shruggin (or whatever her name is). She was trying to argue with me and I told her that since she was a mod of the chat and seemed too emotional to have a logical discussion, that I'd avoid any possible conflicts between us by speaking with the other members of chat and ignoring her provocations. She then progressively escalated her attempts to gain my at…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 08:51 PM
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Well first off I'm Canadian. You feel you're qualified to argue about the American justice system, despite not knowing anything about it? Well color me surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 06:23 PM
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So: yes, recognizing racial biases in policing and how much more likely I am to be shot at a traffic stop than a socioeconomically-similar white boy requires I have a victim complex. Oh well, guess I'll keep my victim complex and stay safe than help you pretend no injustices exist and that the status quo is acceptable. Enjoy Trump's Presidency! Seems like you're one of the few people privileged enough to be able to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 06:10 PM
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You have such a victim complex Do you believe that recognizing the racial biases inherent in American policing, or the racial components of Trump's campaign and among his supporters, requires a "victim complex"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 05:59 PM
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Death threats are ambiguous and if they were serious, a police investigation would open up. How nice it must be to have such certainty in the impartiality and efficacy of our justice system. Unfortunately, not all of us are in positions privileged enough to afford your faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 05:52 PM
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We've had a month of President-Elect Trump, and you still don't realize you've been had? I wonder what it'll take for you to eventually realize that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 05:47 PM
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How exactly would they be able to hush anything he does wrong?? He asked, in response to a link showing how Trump's wrong-doing gets hushed up. Trumpets really are too much. I'm brown too Uhuh, of course you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 05:42 PM
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Do you believe that someone has to believe Clinton is "the best candidate ever seen" in order to think she's a better candidate than someone with no qualifications, numerous conflicts of interest, and a subservient relationship with our largest geopolitical rival?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 05:40 PM
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If you want to say all RPers are the same and make no distinctions between the schools of thought, that's fine. Good, because that's what literally everyone outside your cult does. How you think the viewpoints and interpretations of an MGTOW and someone who is pro-marriage and an incel [are identical] is beyond my comprehension I think they're identical because, as you said earlier, they subscribe to the same fantasy-based model of human behavior. A MGTOW and a pro-marriage incel respond to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 05:38 PM
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If Trump truly is that much of a fuck up it says a whole lot about Clinton Yes, it really does. It tells us that she's a woman, and this country still wasn't ready for that even when the alternative was the worst Presidential candidate in American history. It was a very informative episode for progressives throughout the country: despite how far the country has come in the past couple of decades, we still have a long, long way to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 05:33 PM
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I feel bad for you. Not as bad as I feel for Trump's victims. Even when the national spotlight was on him and the situation was perfect for him to finally face consequences, his bully-boys managed to hush things up. Why do you believe they'd be more restrained now that he's on track to become President, and violent racists throughout the country feel vindicated and immune to consequences? Maybe you're afraid of the wrong side. I'm a brown guy dating two white women, and who had a child with a th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 05:29 PM
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If trump raped me I'd go to the police and press charges. Are poor people not able to access 911? If you went to the police and tried to press charges against Trump for sexual assault, what do you think would happen next? Do you think you and your loved ones would face consequences for your filing suit against Trump, darling of neo-nazis and violent racists? Have you thought through what the consequences of this decision would be? Once you devoted more than two seconds of thought to the outcomes…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 05:19 PM
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This isn't about my beleifs or your beliefs. It is about what is, and what is not. Have you always felt that your feelings perfectly correspond to "what is"? Have your beliefs changed over time, as you learned more and matured with age? If so, has "what is" also changed to continue matching your feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 05:16 PM
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He is not in jail nor has he been charged for anything. Do you feel that as long as someone is powerful enough to avoid punishment for their crimes, that what they did is morally acceptable? Let's pretend I'm rich and you're poor. If I drug you and rape you in the ass over and over, and I'm privileged enough not to face punishment or persecution for it, does that make it ok for me to have raped you? Let's put it another way: if Trump raped you tomorrow, would you say that's ok because he's not i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 05:11 PM
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I have refuted them. Conclusively. You have rejected them. Do you feel that your rejecting a conclusion as something that "cannot be" is equivalent to your having logically refuted the chain of reasoning that brought you to that conclusion? Do you understand how your habit of misrepresenting your emotional reactions as things that "just are" or as "logic" could affect your ability to rationally examine your own beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 05:01 PM
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Do you feel that his being privileged enough to get away with sexual assault makes it ok for him to have committed it? Would you still feel the same way if you had a daughter, and she was one of the dozens of women he admitted to assaulting?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 04:46 PM
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If I accept your claims, then everything is feelings. And that cannot be. "This conclusion is unacceptable". Do you feel that strongly enough to reject the arguments that lead you to it, despite being unable to refute them?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 04:42 PM
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Do you not socialize, or brag, or embellish? Yes, no, no. Why would I brag or embellish? My life's awesome enough that just flatly describing it to people is already going to sound unbelievable; what would be the point in lying about it? All he said was equivalent to saying "when you're rich you can buy whatever you want, you can just grab it and it's yours" WRONG! All he said is, literally that he gropes and kisses women without waiting for or looking for consent. Not that he "can" do this, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 04:33 PM
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applying labels to things doesn't magically transform them into the names you applied to them See you say this, but then like two comments earlier, when talking about the meanings of words (which are derived from usage, which is fundamentally descriptivist), you felt confident saying something like this: I don't "feel" this; it just is Why do you feel that your choices of labels are objectively valid, but mine aren't? Do you ascribe objectivity to all your choices? If not, how do you decide whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 04:31 PM
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Do you feel like quoting yourself makes your feelings about marriage more objective somehow? Do you understand that your having simply stated your own feelings about marriage isn't an argument, and won't be convincing to anyone who doesn't already share your feelings on this topic?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 04:23 PM
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I don't "feel" this; it just is. It is not dependent on my feelings. It's always amazing how comfortable redpillers feel ascribing their feelings some greater objective significance. Do you feel like a lot of your beliefs (those things you feel are true) aren't your "feelings", they "just are"? Would you say you are a logical and rational person, and that your feelings beliefs are just what's rational and makes sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 04:20 PM
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Who said I'm speaking for all men? I wonder who might be so much of an asshole. Such a mystery! real men Do you feel that unless a man has sunk down to your level, he's not a "real" man? What other personal failings have you projected onto the idea of "real" men; are "real" men allowed to make decent livings, or have active sex lives, or have emotional depth?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 04:16 PM
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So you feel that something can be legally a marriage, two people can get a "marriage certificate" from the government after being the focus of a ceremony called "marriage", and refer to each other as "married", but if they're fucking other people and not each other then they're not married? Do you expect other people to use your feelings as the basis for whether or not they consider themselves married?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 04:14 PM
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There's no point in an open-marriage, because it's not really an open marriage. It's open fucking, and a non-marriage. And this is how you feel about marriage. Do you feel that your feelings about marriage are applicable to everyone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 04:05 PM
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trump comes back and says he didn't mean what he said One was a conversation he had years ago, when he didn't care about his image, bragging about his sexual assaults. Another was his speaking, while campaigning for President, about how he's never done anything wrong and anyway Bill Clinton supposedly says worse. Why on earth are you believing something a politician says during their campaign over something they said earlier when they would've felt safe being honest? Your logic is falling apart …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 04:03 PM
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you don't speak for all men Nope! And neither do you. Which is why it's so aggravating how comfortable you feel saying things like: when men get together in privacy they brag and embellish facts and reality Do you understand how this is you doing the thing you just told me I can't do? Are you oblivious enough not to realize what you're doing, or conceited enough to feel that while I, a man, don't speak for all men you, a man, do get that privilege?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 03:56 PM
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the non-sexual partner has somebody, right there, that they are married to, who is ready, willing and able to have sex with them. Do you understand that it is possible (and common!) for someone to want to have sex, but not want to have sex with literally anyone willing to have sex with them? Sexual attraction can die out in romantic relationships for all sorts of reasons. Sometimes the sexual attraction dies out, but the romantic attraction and attachment does not. You're walking into this with …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 03:53 PM
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I'm not saying locker room talk means admitting to sexual assault. You're saying that Trump's admission of having committed sexual assault is just locker room talk. So yes, this is exactly what you're saying. I'm saying when men get together in privacy they brag and embellish facts and reality. And I'm saying: fuck off with your misandrist bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 03:46 PM
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then it's not excusable Not excusable to you, or do you believe that this holds true for all relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 03:43 PM
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Why are you trying to speak for Trump? He speaks pretty well for himself: “Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.” “Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.” Not looking for consent, not even waiting to see if it might be offered. And "when you're a star", you can do anything you want to women and they can't defend themselves. Like I said: fuck off saying this is "locker room banter". I'm a man, and I don't brag about committing sexual …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 03:39 PM
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what's the point of staying together if you want to fuck others and not me I don't even know where to start. I think I'll mostly pass on this one. Just so you know though: there are many and varied ways of thinking about and evaluating romantic relationships, and "does this person want to fuck me" is just one of those many approaches. You might find it helpful to evaluate the other, alternate belief systems, if only so you can be aware of their existence when speaking publicly in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 02:46 PM
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Who said anything about "only one sided"? If it's a dead bedroom, it's a dead bedroom for both of them. So, let both of them go out and play with new people! It's interesting that not only was the possibility that both people might be dissatisfied with the situation and want it to change not occur to you, but even when it's brought up, the possibility that both of them might by agreement sleep with other people still didn't occur to you. I wonder why that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 02:39 PM
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Non monogamy is something that is agreed on, in this case it's tolerating cheating. If they both agreed to open up the relationship, would it still be "tolerated cheating"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 02:33 PM
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Well I don't think that people should be sexually monogamous, so... In terms of monogamous relationships, the people in the relationship should be fine with making it non-monogamous if one or both of them aren't getting their needs met within the relationship. If person A doesn't want to fuck person B, what's the harm in them acknowledging that to each other and having person B find someone else to fuck? I don't understand why you're making this about "cheating", though. "Cheating" has a much na…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 02:27 PM
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Locker room talk I'm a man, and somehow, I refrain from admitting to molesting women, in or out of locker rooms. Fuck off with your "admitting to sexual assault is just locker room talk bro" bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 02:23 PM
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Nah brah, I mean the candidate with relevant job experience and a track record of success. But she's a woman, so, y'know...better play it safe and get the only sore winner in American election history.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 02:22 PM
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And that didn't stop slightly-less-than-half of registered voters from voting for him, did it? Are you upset because sexism, while mainstream, isn't literally the only public viewpoint?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 02:15 PM
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In America? Where? Where? In America. Example: a privileged minority of our voters decided that an inexperienced, unqualified man with dozens of well-substantiated rape accusations against him was a better candidate for President than an experienced, well-qualified woman. But nah, their genders had nothing to do with your not wanting to vote against "that bitch" who "sucks but not like Monica", amirite?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 01:26 PM
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Trusting someone doesn't mean you don't have to [prepare for their inevitable betrayal]. See, this is what I'm talking about. Either disingenuous, or you're unaware of what the word "trust" means. And RP is A lot of TRP Didn't I just talk about how I'm uninterested in arguing with you over what TRP really is?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 01:18 PM
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RP as whole, OTOH, does not always suffer from such specific influences. That would depend on how you define "redpill", wouldn't it? I'll be honest: I've had this conversation too many times to care to have it again. We'll argue back and forth for 20 comments about definitions and semantics, then in the end it'll turn out that you define "redpill" as "any approach to relationships that works for its user" (so that by definition the redpill approach to relationships is both effective and impartia…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 08:44 PM
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If everything falls under Poe's law, nothing does?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 06:32 PM
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idk man. 2016 is the year satire died; I can't tell anymore who's making fun of 4channers, and who's just a 4chan kiddie wandering around outside their boards.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 06:28 PM
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'Blind' trust and naivety are as damaging as not enough trust and over-cautiousness. Sure, there are other ways to fail at having healthy relationships than just following TRP. Being outside the TRP cult is necessary but by no means sufficient for healthy and fulfilling relationships. But this is drifting from the topic of the conversation and of OP's post, so...what's your point? You, the individual, are still responsible for your trust and faith and how they are utilized. It's unclear what you…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 06:27 PM
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Also nope. "Emotionally mature" doesn't mean "perfect" or "everlasting", and it has never been intended to. You're trying to argue that since "emotionally mature" doesn't mean "perfect/everlasting" it's therefore irrelevant, but all that does is reveal more about your experience with relationships than you probably intended. Not all relationships are equal. Some are good for you (improve your mood and sense of well-being both in the short and long-term), and some are not. Simply seeing someone y…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 05:21 PM
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Would I be presuming correctly Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 04:44 PM
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We really need a /serious tag or something, because with comments like this one I simply can't tell if they're normal people making fun of the crazy shit TRP says, or twerps unironicaly espousing the viewpoints we make fun of them for.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 12:34 PM
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valuable web space Oh you are just precious.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 11:32 AM
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No, everyone who disagrees with you is not "damaged." Everyone who believes that relationships are a competitive or zero-sum game is absolutely damaged. An inability to trust others or allow yourself to be emotionally vulnerable to them isn't a mere difference of opinion, it's pathological. After all, trust-based relationships are fundamental to all human societies and partnerships, and a human being incapable of healthy socialization is damaged. It doesn't matter how many acronyms he memorizes …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 02:35 AM
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So your comment would be the rare and valued fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 10:03 PM
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That analogy breaks down when you realize that while monetary wealth is a finite resource, emotional maturity isn't. Not everyone can be comparatively wealthy, because "being wealthier than most people" is required for someone to be rich and if more people became rich, they'd raise the average until they no longer qualified. If most people are rich, none of them are rich. However, emotionally mature and fulfilling relationships are not a zero-sum game. If Bob grows out of the juvenile and self-d…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 08:59 PM
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Fallacy fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 08:55 PM
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...Wow. Ok. I don't believe that you have enough life or social experience for your opinion on this subject to carry any weight. However, you seem unwilling to listen to people who do have social experience and ability, which makes further conversation a waste of both our times. You asked your question and have received the broad, neurotypical response as to why most people will believe that someone who does not have conversations will likely be unskilled at making conversation. If you disagree …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 06:09 PM
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So in what world is this person supposed to be a good conversationalist when they never talk to people?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 06:02 PM
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Friendlessness is concerning because we are social creatures: human beings tend to naturally want social ties to other people, whether through friendships, relationships, etc. So upon meeting someone with literally no friends or social ties, people will assume that they fall into one of two camps. This person is like most people, wants friends, and is too damaged or socially incompetent for anyone to want them in their life. or This person is atypical enough to not want social bonds with anyone,…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 06:01 PM
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Why should anyone believe he's a good conversationalist if he is neither a good enough conversationalist to keep people as his friends while pursuing his interests, nor to avoid creeping people out when he reveals the extent of his social isolation?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 05:51 PM
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I was refering to my post, which you didn't really read either ....what? You made a top-level comment giving your opinion on an article you hadn't bothered to read. I didn't read the article either, which is why I haven't commented on it. I was just going through the comments and noticed how funny it was that you felt your admitted ignorance was worth communicating to people, so I wanted to ask you about that. I don't understand why this has been hard for you to grasp so far, but hopefully my sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 04:11 PM
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I wasn't; I was replying to your comment. I've answered your question. Are you going to answer mine? Just in case you got distracted already, I've repeated it below. Why did you feel qualified to comment on an article you hadn't read?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 01:28 PM
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That said, without having read the article Why did you feel qualified to comment on an article you hadn't read?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 01:16 PM
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Why you gotta make it racist?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 01:14 PM
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Nobody said it was. The only thing that's new is that now those attitudes and behaviors are recognized as being enough of a problem to have their own name.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 01:13 PM
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I'm blue 'cause I'm not part of the redpill cult, so definitionally I'm a bloop. It's the default option: if you're not delusional enough to be redpill, then you must be bluepill! As to why I hang out here sometimes, the best analogy would be for the same reason that other people sometimes go to the zoo.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 01:12 PM
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Any objections? Yes, duh. Having an abusive father isn't good for anyone, kthx.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 01:08 PM
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Yes, hi, welcome to the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 03:06 PM
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That's nice. I don't see what possible benefit I would get from spending my time explaining basic healthy relationship dynamics to you though. So I'm sure you'll understand why I choose better investments for it than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 09:10 PM
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I'd say "mainstream and well-respected voices in the movement", but honestly I think that academic feminism is behind the curve these days. You can quote me, if you want. Or join reasonably progressive online communities, either on reddit or tumblr on facebook.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 06:21 PM
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Good grief, you guys need editors. Here, I'll summarize: Yes, I agree with the joking ridiculous caricature of TRP you just presented. Only substitute "any sex acts I think women can't enjoy for their own sake" instead of "anal".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 05:41 PM
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And would those feminists happen to be hundred-follower twitter accounts collected and presented by Infowars, Breitbart, etc? And nah, feminists have said and do say embarrassing things; we're only human, after all. But whenever a twerp starts confidently declaring what feminists supposedly believe, my "someone spoon-fed you this opinion" senses start tingling.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 05:38 PM
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Then you seem to have gotten all your knowledge of what "vocal feminists declared" from Infowars, Breitbart, and Fox.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 04:21 PM
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Man, this kind of thing is why I missed PPD. I can just picture you writing this with a straight face Amused Mastery shit-eating grin. You can't pay for this kind of show. And here I am, getting it for free!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 02:33 PM
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Ha, and this is why you guys are so much fun to parody. Poe's Law means we get to say "durr hurr I'm a redpiller, durr" and follow it with some ridiculous shit, and it's literally what you guys say to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 01:57 PM
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I thought that, by definition, followers of TRP won't believe there is love with a sex-thing unless the sex-thing lets them stick a dick up their pooper. You'd think I'm joking, but create a 10,000-word post in TRP titled "You're not alpha enough until your bitch does anal" and see what sort of responses you get.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 12:59 PM
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What was the point of this post? It's hard to tell what you're trying to get people to discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 08:11 PM
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I'm a man. Don't care about either genre; one's boring, the other makes all sorts of assumptions about how relationships work that are too inapplicable to my own life for the characters to be relatable. I'd suspect that redpillers watch romcoms at a higher rate than the general population, honestly. They're the only people I ever hear talking about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 08:07 PM
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Not all adults wipe their asses, either. Did you need someone to convince you that wiping your ass would get women to touch your dick before you felt it was worth doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 07:03 PM
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But that's just the point. OP is asking whether trying to meet the basic qualifications of being a decent adult (namely being nice, kind, and generous) will make him sexually attractive. It's a question which does far more to reveal OP's motivations behind even basic life skills than it does to illustrate anything about attraction or dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 04:13 PM
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This is such a weird starting point. It's like asking "Will wiping his ass after he shits improve a man's success with women?" Doing these things will probably make you more attractive to women, sure. They'll achieve that because they'll make you more attractive to everyone than if you didn't do these things, and they'll have that effect because you are describing basic parts of being an adult. It's baffling that you're having to frame these things in terms of "ok but will i get to touch pussy" …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 02:00 PM
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Y'know how sometimes you'll be on the subway, and some crazy homeless guy will stumble onto the train and start ranting and yelling about how he has mind-vision, and he fucked Shakira, and he could take on everyone in the car but he doesn't give a fuck so he won't, etc? And you'll sometimes turn to your buddy or the person next to you with a quiet look of "Are you seeing this shit?"? TBP is that incredulous, amused look. We don't put up crazy ecstatic raving to compete with the homeless guy's ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 01:16 PM
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This is adorably self-pitying, but it's also too dishonest not to refute. A lot of men don't know what rape is. Teaching men not to rape isn't about telling men "hey bby rape is bad k?", it's about teaching men little things like "pressuring someone into sex they don't want to have is rape" and "fucking someone who is unconscious is rape". It shouldn't have to be said, but studies show that it does need spelling out: A recent study from “Violence and Gender” found that nearly 32 percent of colle…
/r/MensRights05/12/16 08:01 PM
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You feel that unpainted vaguely-man-shaped mannequins used in a niche hobby are equivalent to as-realistic-as-possible fucktoys which would be sold to the population at large? If you need to reach so far to feel offended, have you considered that maybe you didn't have much reason to be offended in the first place?
/r/MensRights26/11/16 02:23 PM
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It was an invalid comparison; it ignores the fact that punching bags are usually featureless or only vaguely human-shaped, while sex robots are deliberately going to be designed to look sound and feel as much like women as possible.
/r/MensRights26/11/16 01:15 PM
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You're all over the place bro; sounds like you're pretty upset. Why not take a couple deep breaths, step away from the computer for an hour or so, and then come back and try to continue the conversation? It's hard for you to be rational when you're this emotional, so it's understandable that you'd have failed to understand my comment.
/r/MensRights25/11/16 07:49 PM
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...was this comment related to the OP's article or to my comment in any way? Sounds like unrelated venting; did you feel that your resentment toward women was relevant to the conversation in some way?
/r/MensRights25/11/16 07:32 PM
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There have been cases where people have irrationally feared developments they shouldn't have, therefore this new development is benign. Do you understand why this argument doesn't work? Or, let me put it another way: Since books, movies, video games and rock and roll turned out alright, do you feel that literally any new technology or social change must therefore be good? Do you understand that by that logic, the increased role of women in modern society that this sub is dedicated to protesting …
/r/MensRights25/11/16 07:13 PM
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If punching bags were designed explicitly to look, sound, and feel like women and children? Yes, they would probably cause assaults too.
/r/MensRights25/11/16 07:00 PM
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That's because men wouldn't be in danger from a generation of men growing up acting out their violent revenge fantasies on as-accurate-as-possible simulations of women or children. Do you feel that if an analysis of possible social impact isn't centered around how it affects you men, then it must not be valid?
/r/MensRights25/11/16 04:06 PM
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Man you redpillers are weird. There are so many more meaningful forms of intimacy than sex; sex might be in the top five, but that's about it. Not to mention that not all men get "emotional sustenance" from sex, and many women find sex emotionally satisfying as well. What a meaningless dogma.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/16 03:17 AM
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Part of redpill dogma: Women are the gatekeepers of sex, men are the gatekeepers of commitment This is meant to communicate (in the typically obtuse /r/iamverysmart redpill way) that women have sex available on demand and therefore what they're going to want is commitment, and men have commitment available on demand and therefore what they're going to want is sex. And that's before even getting into the whole mess of biotoofs about how "male brains just want more sex", "females are instinctively…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/16 09:16 PM
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So is this about sex as validation, or about how you have sex with escorts and want to be told that that's ok? Since this reads very strongly like the latter: It's totally ok that you have sex with escorts. There are many valid reasons for doing so, and done respectfully and responsibly doesn't make you a bad person. Just make sure to treat the workers well, ensure everyone's safety, etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/16 08:29 PM
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I guess the normal-person "analysis" of this is that many people want the emotional perks of a relationship along with (or instead of) the physical aspects of it, and sometimes people are in an emotional or physical position where they think it makes more sense to pay for those aspects of a relationship as services instead of dealing with the entirety of a relationship to receive them organically. Oh, and some of the people buying emotional intimacy as a service are women, just as some of them a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/16 08:23 PM
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Wouldn't the popularity of men seeking emotional validation and intimacy invalidate a lot of redpill beliefs about what men really care about?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/16 08:18 PM
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Being a shitlord is awesome. Is it really, though? It's true that I don't run into you all that often, but when I do run into you, you usually seem pretty angry. Even right now, your response to a friendly greeting was protective sarcasm and lashing out. You sure you're doing alright? And nah, I don't spend that much time on TBP anymore. Being exposed to the followers of TRP/MGTOW/inceldom on a regular basis is pretty discouraging, makes it easy to stop seeing the good in people and see or expec…
/r/TheRedPill23/09/16 01:32 PM
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Oh hey PemBayliss, long time no see! How's the TRP-influenced lifestyle going; are you happier than you used to be when on PPD?
/r/TheRedPill22/09/16 05:29 PM
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...of course you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 09:00 PM
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Do you feel that "rationalizing X" is compatible with saying "I don't do X and I think doing so is wrong"? Because that's what you're attacking here. Bonus question, since you declined to address it before: are examples of this "blooper behavior" so rare that you couldn't make these comments in response to them, instead of here where it's completely off-topic? If bloopers are so consistently attacking people with autism, why was this convo the best example of that you could find?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 08:53 PM
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You are literally trying to accuse someone with autism of using autism as an insult, despite their repeatedly expressing their opposition to that practice and your having no evidence that they've done so. Let's examine this STEMjectively, shall we? If you want to credibly accuse someone of behavior A, you need to present evidence that they've engaged in behavior A. Your feelz that "they have a bluetag so they must do the thing" aren't enough. Do we at least agree on these basic premises?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 08:21 PM
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Do you understand that the person you are speaking with is explicitly rejecting the behavior you're trying to attribute to them? Are autism-shaming and accusations of autism by members of TBP so rare that you have to resort to accusing someone who is clearly, repeatedly saying the opposite?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 08:05 PM
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Buddy, there's no need to be so hostile all the time. Whether or not you feel that my question was asked with the appropriate feelings in mind, don't you feel that you could explain your feelings better to others by answering it? all this is the fault of a world creating unattractive men How do you feel that fits in with taking responsibility for one's own life?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 04:21 PM
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Would you say that it's the world's fault that men like you are unhappy?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 04:14 PM
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In my personal experience it seems like guys who are successful in getting a lot of casual sex and one night stands tend to have "Red Pill" traits, for lack of a better word. That's because TRP uses a lot of mutually-contradictory definitions of itself. One of them is "If someone is romantically successful, they are by definition Red Pill". That's the one that you just used; you just said "If someone is successful in having casual sex and one night stands, they tend to be successful in having ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 11:45 AM
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Your question assumes that redpill techniques achieve their advertised results, due to redpill theology being an accurate representation of reality. They don't, because it isn't. Like I said: be sure to let /r/exredpill know how following TRP works out for you! I'm sure they'll be shocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/16 10:36 PM
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You do you. One more poor shmuck whose reputation and ability to form relationships have been ruined by following TRP won't make much of a difference to anyone. If you find the gender essentialism and transactional mindset advocated by TRP convincing, then by all means, try to practice what they preach. Be sure to let /r/exredpill know how it works out!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/16 06:53 PM
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What do they criticize? I think the tone, they don't really attack the ideas just the way people speak. This is a commonly-repeated belief among the followers of TRP. Why is that? Whenever the legitimacy of the beliefs espoused by TRP comes up, the response at TBP is unambiguous. What normal people object to about TRP isn't just the tone, but rather the substance of their beliefs. This gets repeated over and over again, yet the redpill talking point remains: "Everyone secretly agrees with our be…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 04:43 PM
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It's kind of weird seeing myself name-dropped as some kind of redpill example. I'm considerate of my partners' needs, emotionally present and open, economically low-status and I don't even lift. All of them things which TRP preaches will dry up every panty in a ten-mile radius. I guess it's not surprising; it sounds like you've defined "success" as "redpill". If I'm successful by your standards, then I must be redpill, and nevermind how much my values and behavior differ from those your cult pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 11:55 AM
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But how can Chad be real if alfalfas aren't real?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 02:03 AM
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For each of the responses, would you believe her? Sure? My believing someone depends on my prior knowledge of them, not on how they phrase their response. Which answer sounds the sluttiest? The least slutty? Which answer implies the best LTR potential? Don't care, don't care, don't care. For answers other than #6, would you push for more detail? Depends on if it seems like something she wants to talk about. I tend to find the "bucket list" aspect of people's sexual histories ("What kinds of thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 05:38 PM
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...you do realize that TBP loves to laugh at you because most of us suspect you're either trolling TRP or cynically exploiting them for that sweet T-shirt money, right? Nobody believes all the humblebrags you throw around about all the hawt seks you're totally having. The only part of your persona people do believe is the steroid abuse (given how you look in "the vine self-promoted around the world"), and that's hardly an accomplishment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 02:57 PM
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Nope. So then do you still feel that alimony exists to take money from men and give it to women, despite this theory fitting the data less well than the theory that alimony exists to take money from the breadwinner-in-a-couple and give it to the stay-at-home-spouse? What leads you to feel this way? it wouldn't be a problem because for every female breadwinner there would be a male SAHD or whatever arrangement that couple finds. Alas, hypergamy is a thing, as much as you guys are in denial about …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 12:49 PM
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Do you feel that by disagreeing with you over how actually inoffensive socially awkward men are treated, I am "treating them like shit"? Do you feel that anyone who doesn't agree with you on this issue is therefore attacking socially awkward men? EDIT: could you please link that TBP thread you claim exists?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 04:01 PM
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Read the rest of the thread, I'm not talking about my post I'm talking about the Blue Pill responses to it. I only included it for context. Jesus. I did. It's you arguing with one guy, and failing to understand what he was saying. You say: "TBP says anyone not getting laid is scum." He said: "Nope. But someone who goes on a lot of dates, puts a lot of effort into being attractive, and still nobody wants to touch their bits, probably has some flaw they're not aware of." You said: "AHA! I knew it!…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 02:18 PM
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Wait, so, your supporting evidence that TBP considers "not getting laid" an indication of bad character is...yourself saying the same thing two weeks ago? Regarding your responses to the rest: see, there's your problem. You don't recognize a lot of aggressive and invasive behaviors as either aggressive or invasive. So of course you'll feel upset when men are called creepy when they haven't done anything you felt was wrong. Do you at least understand that the people calling these guys creepy unde…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 01:48 PM
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9 times out of 10 when I hear a woman call a man creepy he has done nothing invasive, disrespectful or agressive. Nothing that you recognize as invasive, disrespectful, or aggressive. Let's do a quick spot-check here, shall we? Do you consider catcalling creepy? Do you consider manspreading creepy? Do you consider mansplaining creepy? Do you consider day-game creepy? Do you consider staring at strangers creepy? As for virgin shaming, there is an active contingent on the blue pill that considers …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 01:10 PM
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Feminists tend not to shame virgins, and we call out people who do so. This is a common topic of discussion on /r/thebluepill. Feminists do not shame "socially-awkward" men, we shame "invasive and disrespectful" men. There's quite a difference. Plenty of feminist men and women are socially awkward, and that's totally fine. Plenty of what TRP would consider "totes alfalfa" men are creepy. These are different categories, it's odd that you're conflating them here. Why do you feel that "creepy" = "s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 12:40 PM
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So are you backing away from redpill assertions that alimony is "about" gender (since it is objectively, provably a function of income and not gender) and toward the more general assertion that alimony is "anti-male"? Do you feel that gender is a useful lens through which to consider every problem? Can every issue in life be simplified down to "pro-male" or "anti-male"? More topically: if alimony disproportionately affects men since men are disproportionately the bread-winners in single-income h…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 12:36 PM
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If the outcome of alimony (who gets paid) is demonstrably dependent on who has the most income and not on gender, why do you feel that it's reasonable to assert that it depends on gender? Do you understand that "correlation" and "causation" are separate concepts, and one does not always imply the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 06:12 PM
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Do you feel that asking some specific men "what do all men want?" is productive? Do you feel that it'll be reasonable to draw conclusions about "what all men want" from what people respond with here? If so, do you understand the objections to drawing universal conclusions in this way from small self-selected samples? If not, what was the point of asking this in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 06:08 PM
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It is unlikely that a feminist will ever side with a man on a 'rape culture' issue. If they do, it will take an extremely heated debate for them to do so-or some obvious evidence that he'd been date-raped with roofies himself, for example. I'm not sure I followed this one. Does that mean that you think feminists are unlikely to agree with an MRA about "there's no rape culture"...unless that MRA had been raped previously (because those two things are connected, somehow)? Or does it mean that you …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 06:02 PM
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Nah, you're still questioning and figuring things out. Some time, more life experiences, a bit of reflection...I think you'll turn out alright. Probably not "normal", sure, but normal's boring anyway. I think you'll end up reasonably moral though, which is more than can be said for the more dogmatic, set-in-their-ways followers of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 09:05 PM
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Xemnas, I'm going to be perfectly honest here: I already had this conversation yesterday, and have pretty much lost interest in it now. You're also not one of the dogmatic redpillers who I'm typically interested in learning about; you're just not crazy enough to be as interesting as they are, alas. Maybe next time you'll catch the conversation while I'm still in the mood to have it? Or have a similar conversation with someone else? This is PPD for crying out loud, I'm sure you'll find someone to…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 08:59 PM
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Why yes, that is about the level of time, effort, and rigor that you'd need to make a supported claim about a whole gender's capability! So imagine my confusion when leading members of TRP, a group self-described as "empirical", regularly make these claims without that supporting evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 08:47 PM
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Aw, thanks! At this point talking with followers of TRP and letting them expose the underpinnings of their beliefs is just a way to kill an idle afternoon for me; I'm always glad to hear that it brings utility to others looking on! And hey, there's rarely any use in getting upset at redpillers for being redpillers; it's not their fault that they were susceptible to the messages from this modern cult. Really though, it's fascinating watching a cult's beliefs evolve in real time, I sometimes feel …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 12:42 PM
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Nope, they didn't control for negotiation. Once that's controlled for the wage gap disappears. That's a very large assertion. Could you please provide some support for it? This is the third time you've brought this up, despite it being untrue -- women are paid more in their 20's before they exit the force. Ditto this one. You feel very strongly that the reason why women get promoted less and paid less is because they leave the workforce in droves. Could you please provide some of the evidence th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 09:02 PM
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On what do you base the assumption that I must not have considered your viewpoint? Do you find yourself commonly assuming that about people who reject redpill's "truths"?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 08:57 PM
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Men in senior positions. That is, after women exit the workforce to have kids. Men with more experience get paid more than women with less experience. You're assuming that experience correlates with promotion at the same rate for both genders. This assumption is simply false. Given that women get paid less throughout their lives, and get promoted at a lower rate for the same experience and qualifications...do you still feel that men are being artificially disadvantaged in the workforce? Where do…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 08:54 PM
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I've only asked you to explain your beliefs, friend. It's curious that you apparently feel that if I find your justifications lacking, that must indicate some sort of moral failing on my part. Do you feel that is necessarily the case? Is it possible for someone to be openminded, honestly consider your "alternate viewpoint", and still conclude that your beliefs are mistaken?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 08:33 PM
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Thanks! I rarely bother either, since TRP's ideology tends to inoculate them against any criticism of their premises. But it's a slow week at work, so what the hell. It's sometimes interesting to see how someone with "Redpill Vanguard" flair defends their misogyny; though I'll admit to being a little disappointed, /u/cyralea hasn't yet said anything I haven't seen from followers of TRP half a dozen times before. I keep hoping for novelty, but alas, the truly novel redpillers rarely talk outside …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 08:16 PM
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Let's see: From your first link: Ann Pickering, HR director at telecoms company O2, said the research highlighted that there is still a long way to go before genuine parity between women and men is achieved. “While women are earning slightly more than men in their 20s, they are still overtaken by men later in life – and the reason is simple. Women are playing catchup when it comes to reaching senior well-paid positions,” she said. “If women are not in the same roles as men, how can they be on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:45 PM
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But you forget that the people who see TBP as serious business are overwhelmingly in /r/theredpill. Other people's inability to deal with mockery doesn't make the mockery any less satirical. What, you think that /u/omlili and their amazing "redpill" content are serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 04:42 PM
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Women have a very clear advantage now, in this one area, You feel that women's advantage is "very clear", but I'm not seeing it. Can you point to anything in particular which you feel gives women such an advantage over men? It'd have to be pretty strong evidence; given that male and female outcomes are roughly equal in this area, one would expect their opportunities to also be roughly equal. Unless, of course, you feel that equal opportunities would lead to unequal outcomes. And while we both kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 04:40 PM
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When it comes to things like the draft, it's unequal; when you look at the overall male experience things are overall equal, as it's balanced by some of the positive aspects of being male. So you feel that striving for equality is bad, because we already had equality back when things were less equal. And now, when we make things more equal, they're actually less equal because you feel the changes are bad for men. You mentioned feeling that since there is now roughly an equality in outcomes (for …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 04:25 PM
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What this works out to is that men not only deal with their inherent disadvantages, but it's layered with forced disadvantage as well. Do you feel that you're oppressed for being male? There's no reason for it given that our overall life outcomes were roughly equal as it is. So wait, you feel that before the recent efforts which have produced this "unfair inequality" you apparently dislike, male and female "life outcomes were roughly equal"? What does that mean? How can you have equality without…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 03:45 PM
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Literally millions of American men displaced because of faux-inequality. Now that's interesting. So what you object to is that men are no longer the majority of college graduates. You feel that because more women are now going to college, this takes something away from men, and so should be stopped? The area when they're on even footing. Women only start to make less because they exit the workplace to have children. What this implies is that you believe that when women are allowed to compete wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 03:33 PM
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You seem to feel that the pursuit of inequality has led to undesirable outcomes for men (since now they're only about half of college graduates, and apparently earn less than women in one part of their lives). So would you agree that the reason you oppose efforts toward equality is because you feel that it'd bring about less-desirable outcomes for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 03:27 PM
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So you feel that taking any step toward addressing inequality would be pointless, since no one single step could 100% address all inequality in one go? Why do you feel that inequality has to be fixed all in one go, or not at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 03:20 PM
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But don't you feel that men are worse off because of this inequality you then also want to maintain?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 03:14 PM
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So you feel that it's unfair that only men had to serve and that this means that men had it worse than women, but you simultaneously oppose allowing women to serve in the military?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 03:05 PM
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So since the inequality inherent in the old versions of military service and the draft clearly bothers you, would you say that you're in favor of women serving in the military today?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 02:43 PM
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A bunch of cis straight white guys complaining about how society doesn't care about their feeeeeelings as much as it used to? By the definition you lay out here, I'd say that's punching up. Though typically, we don't even make fun of the followers of TRP for their privilege, we just make fun of them for the sheer determination they display in sabotaging themselves and hurting those around them. It's either laugh or cry, y'know? Personally, I draw a distinction between hanging out with friends la…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 05:54 PM
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There's a fair number of poly folks in the TBP community. From what I've seen we tend to be more of the non-hierarchical, solo-poly model, or at least gender agnostic. There are some self-described "poly" folk in the TRP community. I think they even had a subreddit for a while? But they seem pretty obsessed with keeping score ("Which partner is getting the most sex?", "If the woman has more sex she'll leave you", "Cuck cuck cuckcuckcuckcuckcuck") and aren't big on communication or honesty. Feel …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 02:01 PM
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I read it on a website, it must be true!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 01:56 PM
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The harm done by the expectation of toxic masculinity. Really, by gender roles in general. Not every guy is going to like cars, or sports, or be emotionally shallow, or want "pornstar sex", or even want sex at all. And that's perfectly ok, and none of those guys are "less manly" because of it. I'd go about fixing it by doing exactly what I'm currently doing: discussing these issues whenever they come up, showing why rigid gender roles are harmful and why expectations of masculinity harm men, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 01:49 PM
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Alright, if that's how you feel about it. See you around!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 09:12 PM
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...Lord. Ok, PemBayliss, in the nicest possible way: you're really not that important to me. I didn't come back over to PPD looking for you, and I didn't have any ulterior motive in asking my question. You were making a point of capitalizing "next", that is non-standard usage, and I was curious about whether that was something unique to you or whether it was my first time seeing the newest redpill fad. So since I was curious about a thing you were saying, I figured you'd be the best person to as…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 09:05 PM
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Uhhhh, ok? I don't know what I might've done to hurt your feelings /u/pembayliss, but this kind of hostility is really out of place in a debate sub. Please try to respond to other commenters respectfully, or not at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 08:35 PM
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...why do you keep on capitalizing "next"? Are you using a new and obscure redpill acronym, or are you really excited over misusing "next" as a verb?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 08:20 PM
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If your attempts to defend your status as a victim aren't connected to normal people's condemnation of your redpill behavior, then what are they connected to? What I mean is, you've spent rather a lot of time and energy trying to argue that you were oppressed because people found you unloveable. You've always brought up how thoroughly oppressed you were as a response to people calling out the inherent immorality of TRP's doctrine, so I naturally assumed that you felt that these two things were c…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 12:51 PM
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And weakening it slightly by modifying "all" to "most" doesn't change anything; it is still a backfiring of categorization as a heuristic, and a misunderstanding of how human interaction works.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 04:25 PM
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Is that the Blue Pill's final answer on this question? I'm a little confused as to what you were hoping for in answer to that question. Do you feel that I speak for all subscribers to /r/thebluepill? Looking at your list, it seems clear that you misunderstood my (and probably everyone else's) objections to TRP's gender essentialist doctrine. Here, I'll model this as a conversation for you. TRP: All women are bad in these specific, universal ways. TBP: No, they're not. It's crazy to make claims a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 03:57 PM
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The blue pillers and feminists constantly focus on the red pillers, yet they're conspicuously silent about the female behaviors being addressed. Except we're not. TBP is pretty vocal about "the female behaviors being addressed" by TRP. Specifically, how these behaviors are imaginary. No, we don't spend much time condemning the bogey(wo)men invented by TRP. Why should we? They're bogeymen. By definition, they're bad. But since they're also not real, it usually seems like a better use of our time …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 03:19 PM
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Well right there, you ARE making claims with no evidence, and showing an obvious bias. If I were asking you to prove me wrong, I would have said exactly that. I'm not making claims of faith at all. So once again you are showing your bias and unwillingness to debate in good faith. So wait, did you just dismiss everything I just said because I referred to you being a redpiller, despite your not having said you were one in this specific conversation? Do you feel that such behavior is compatible wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 03:17 PM
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You sure it's not because you got banned for blatant shit-stirring?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 02:51 PM
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Hai PemBayliss! Now this is a little odd. You did not respond to me yesterday when I addressed you directly. But now when I'm speaking with someone else, you inject yourself into the conversation to link to a discussion of things said by still other other people? Do you feel that since I'm "a bluepiller", and someone else is "a bluepiller", that we're the same person and responsible for the things the other says? Do you apply this standard to the rest of your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 02:31 PM
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That's very admirable of you. Good luck helping prevent indoctrination!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 02:22 PM
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Hang out in /r/thebluepill, we link posts on TRP and comments by their Endorsed Contributors advocating rape and abuse pretty regularly. If you're particularly curious, you can always sort TBP by top. And since I've had enough experience with followers of TRP to know how this is going to go ("nuh uh!", "you didn't give me a link so it's all femnazi lies!", etc), here is a fast and easy link to a compilation of pro-rape TRP material.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 02:12 PM
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Hai sandman! Do you feel that in order to be empathetic, people have to agree that you have a right to abuse others? Your argument is basically "I was abused by nobody finding me attractive, therefore I have the right to abuse others to get what I want now", iirc. So are the only empathetic people those who grant you a free pass on abusing, since you feel that you were abused? If so, do you feel that everyone who was ever abused should get that free pass now?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 01:25 PM
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Why do people care whether or not if it's an evil thing? Um, because we have empathy and care about our fellow human beings? I'm surprised this is even a question. TRP is a weird little online cult which advocates date-rape and domestic abuse. Thankfully most of its members appear to be all talk and no action, but you never know when some poor delusional kid is going to pick it up and actually attempt to act out its tenets in real life instead of confining himself to fanfiction. The sight of a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 12:51 PM
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You misunderstand, friend. What is required to prove or disprove an assertion isn't determined by what I feel, but by the branch of human knowledge known as Epistemology. Humanity has been studying the question of "what do I need in order to be sure that I know what I think I know" for quite a while now, and we've figured some things out. If you're trying to intuit this question instead of studying it logically, that might contribute to some of your erroneous beliefs. TRP makes some empirical cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 12:45 PM
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It can be declared wrong by anyone. But in order to be proven wrong, then a working alternative is required. Do you understand that this is not how the scientific method works? Neither is it how philosophical debates work. Why do you feel that more is required to disprove TRP than would be required to disprove any other empirical or logical claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 08:31 PM
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Do you feel that something is achieved by responding facetiously to criticisms of your rhetorical style? You repeatedly assert that your personal, non-standard definition of "single mom" (which excludes many people who are both moms and single) is "the" definition, and attack those who resist your attempt to redefine the term. Why do you feel you should have the privilege of redefining the terms of debate?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 08:04 PM
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It might be because you are capable of differentiating "people", as complex beings, and the categories you slot them into. /u/pembayliss is actually being really interesting right now. He's demonstrating one of the most common cognitive shortcomings one can observe among the members of TRP. I mean, he is seriously arguing that if "TBP is satire" and "you are part of TBP" then "everything you say is satire". How frequently do you get to observe such blatant backfiring of categorization as a heuri…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 07:25 PM
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Huh. I wander in here from TBP for literally a minute, and this is at the top. Nice to see the same old questions still being "debated" in PPD. Or are you serious students of sociosexuality and intersexual dynamics? Do you have a serious alternative to r/TheRedPill? Do you feel that we need to provide a new simplistic one-size-fits-all theory before we're allowed to knock down your current simplistic one-size-fits-all theory? Can TRP only be declared wrong by people selling different brands of s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 07:18 PM
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Do you feel that if you assert the same thing frequently enough, it'll become true? Words have meanings outside of your wishful thinking. You don't get to redefine words by fiat and then demand that everyone pretend that's what they've meant all along.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 07:10 PM
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Oh. Why would you not befriend your dealer? Seems like the neighborly thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 03:02 PM
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Maybe you need less-shitty friends brah. My dealers were all guys I could hang out with, smoke a blunt, and play games for an hour or two. Family-friendly dealers, y'know?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 12:03 PM
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We might have experience with different kinds of drug dealers then. I never ran into too many "pot and hallucinogen" junkies at my dealers' houses.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 11:53 AM
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I dunno, how do you not get "jacked" for your things by your friends then? Do you need to be angry and violent in order not to be robbed by the people you invite into your house?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 11:39 AM
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"Is other people's disagreement with me partly due to their ignorance?" What was the point of asking this question?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 06:05 PM
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Do you feel that "incel" etc are terms used outside the manosphere?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 03:27 PM
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Do you feel that it's productive to avoid acknowledging the common beliefs between TRP and the rest of the manosphere?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 03:18 PM
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I just want to understand why you would fell the need to have such a belief with absolutely no evidence to support it. Do you feel that the only way someone could believe that all these shooters with TRP beliefs are motivated to become shooters by their TRP beliefs is if they "fell the need" to believe it? Can you think of any other reason why someone might look at the common denominator between all these shooters and think "Hey! Maybe that's why!"? What reason do you have to believe r9k being p…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 02:56 PM
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Prove this. Prove this too. Ah, I see what the problem is. You feel that I have an obligation to convince you, so you're getting upset that I'm not showing much concern about that. I've already provided satisfactory evidence of his ideological affiliation and of TRP being part of the manosphere. You apparently don't feel that this evidence is convincing, and I'm sure that your feeling that way has absolutely nothing with the instinctive tribalism of TRP. So now you're demanding that I convince y…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 02:17 PM
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If you don't, which I know you don't, then I'm asking you why are you associating him to TRP with no evidence to do so? Why are you so invested in this and made this jump with absolutely no reason to? Do you feel like repeating questions that have already been answered while raising your voice helps you win arguments? And it's rich that you feel "there is no association to be made" when the association is in the title of this post. Where? Is there a point to pretending not to understand? Here, I…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 02:00 PM
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Why are you so invested in associating TRP with this guy when there is no association to be made? Please answer this question. Have you stopped beating your wife? /s Do you understand why I might ignore questions which assume false things? I'm not very invested in associating TRP with this particular mass-murderer when there are so many redpill shooters to choose from. And it's rich that you feel "there is no association to be made" when the association is in the title of this post. This guy had…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 01:52 PM
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TRP accepts the world and seeks to change yourself, the other two you're referring to rage against it and whine and wallow in their sadness. What you glossed over there is that all three have the same beliefs about the world. I suppose it might be hard to see from inside TRP, since part of your catechism is that "this is how the world really is and I'm just enlightened enough to realize it", but you lot have a very, um....niche view of the world. Very few people share it. So the fact that you sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 01:41 PM
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No, see, you're missing the point again. Your differences from the rest of the manosphere? They're really, super minor. You agree on every facet of your "but le femspiracy", "muh male oppression!", "men are the real victims", "le feminine imperative", "AF/BB is totes real u guise", "testosterone makes me an ubermensch!" cosmology. A member of TRP sees the world exactly the same as a member of r9k or PUAhate sees it. The only ways in which they differ is in how they think it's best to respond to …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 12:51 PM
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What are you talking about? My dealers have always been quiet, introverted nerds who couldn't be violent even if you set them on fire. Where do people get this idea that drug dealers are all Chads?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 12:13 PM
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I want to help you understand what this looks like from the outside. You know how sometimes Baptists will say "Catholics aren't Christians!", and list some minor theological differences in support of their position, and everyone around them just kind of silently rolls their eyes because nobody cares about minor doctrinal disputes? This is like that. The r9k board, the TRP subreddit, PUAhate, etc. They're all Christians in this metaphor, even if they're slightly different denominations of Christi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 11:43 AM
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But I thought that it was a matter of TRP doctrine that there is no connection between belief in TRP orthodoxy and Elliot Rogers? Let me guess: there is also no connection between this mass-murderer-with-redpill-beliefs and TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 08:04 PM
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It would only further push women to complain about men having preferences, ...oh. Forgot where I was for a minute. I think we're going to disagree too strongly on the premises of this matter for a debate to be productive. If you feel that women specifically "complain about men having preferences" more than people in general do, and that prostitution would somehow exacerbate this problem, well, you're free to feel that way. Hopefully that fear doesn't change your support for legalized prostitutio…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 02:56 PM
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it could go quite far in the opposite direction in the same way that many would prefer not to purchase a car that was a rental. Is this different from how people treat sex workers now, though? At worst, making sex work legal and safe would fail to improve public treatment of sex workers. At best, it'd improve it. So what's there to lose? can you imagine the shitstorm that would ensue with a "wage gap" resulting from uglier/fatter women not being able to make as much as conventionally attractive …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 02:42 PM
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Let's ask google, shall we? child CHīld/Submit noun noun: child; plural noun: children a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority. Do you feel that changing the definition of "child" makes your advocacy of pedophilia somehow more acceptable?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 02:00 PM
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Oh, I'm fully aware of the term. "Ephebophile" is a subset of "pedophile". Pedophile: wants to have sex with children Ephebophile: wants to have sex with post-pubescent children That you have a specific preference for which children you want to rape doesn't change that you want to rape children. So: pedophile. Now that we've established that words have meanings and that they keep those meanings even when that upsets you; do you think you could answer my question? I'll even repeat it, in case you…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 01:38 PM
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Do you feel that the reason people don't approve of your desire to have sex with children is because they're prejudiced against your age?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 01:21 PM
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I'm glad to hear that! It sounds like what a civilized country would do regarding sex work. Unfortunately, the US isn't particularly civilized when it comes to sex. Far too many religious people, far too much internalized misogyny and sex-shame. So the thought process is that "If we legalize and protect prostitution, that's the equivalent of a legal sanction of promiscuity, and the government shouldn't sanction bad things!". The freedom and lives of sex workers are deemed an acceptable price to …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 01:18 PM
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Blooper2 here. I'm fine with the idea of sex work; I'm much less fine with how sex work has tended to be in practice. Legal, regulated sex work where sex workers were helped remain clean, remain healthy, and remain independent (without being coerced into sex work or being owned by pimps) would be great, it would help sexually frustrated young men and it might help destigmatize female control of their sexuality. I'd be all for that. What we currently have in the US though? That's pretty much slav…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 12:59 PM
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This guy just screams "Poe's Law". Still, it's entertaining watching what's either impotent pedophile rage, or some truly dedicated trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 12:53 PM
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Do you feel that nobody should care about moral concerns, so long as the behavior happens to be legal? If so, do you get worked up when people talk about "divorce rape"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 12:50 PM
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Did you feel that "Agree and Amplify" would be a useful tactic to use in a subreddit full of people who know what "Agree and Amplify" is?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 02:46 PM
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how you can simultaneously believe that you need hard evidence to believe anything about the human condition It is still surprising to me that you would mention this as something controversial, or that you don't share. In order to reasonably make claims made about the world, you need to make sure the claims are meaningful (they are falsifiable) and that they are justified (they have supporting evidence). It's been, what, three hundred years since the Enlightenment? I thought everyone was on the …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 02:28 PM
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You probably realize you are wrong, so you tried to change the argument to "Your ideas arent supported by science." Good grief. You started talking about "everything is transactional" as a valid "idealogy". Misspelling aside, I found that to be an interesting claim, so that's what I responded to and that's the way the conversation went. There wasn't anything sneaky or malicious about it, that's just how conversations work. Do you feel that I must've had some clever plan to avoid acknowledging ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 02:10 PM
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Are you trying to say all theories on the nature of humans must be stopped unless they are rigorously backed by hard data? Wait, are you not? Let's get colloquial for a second: do you feel that "feels" are sufficient reason to make truth claims about what's "reals"? Do you understand why others might not lend credence to a theory backed solely by "but it feels reasonable!"?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 01:50 PM
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There is nothing wrong with making a psychological assesment (That humans act entirely out of self interest) which is a reasonable enough idea, and then extrapolating it to the logical conclusion: love therefore is an act of self interest. Do you feel that "this feels reasonable to me" is sufficient grounds for making factual claims? Would you respect as "reasonable" someone who used the same feelings to justify belief in tarot, or astrology?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 01:30 PM
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"Philosophical beliefs" are beliefs about ideas. They are beliefs that would be true or false in every conceivable world, kind of like math. A philosophical belief like "Truth is Beauty" or "Causal responsibility requires passing the sine qua non test" would be true in this world, true in a world peopled with omnibenevolent robots, and true in a world devoid of life. This is because philosophical beliefs are not claims about physical reality, but rather claims about the relationships between ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 12:11 PM
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that valid idealogy. Do you feel that an unfalsifiable theory with no predictive value is a "valid" belief to have? Do you also believe in the existence of Russell's Teapot?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 02:11 PM
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Good grief. Do you feel that this is productive? I've already explained things to you. Several times, in fact. Do you feel that you are entitled to have me repeat my explanations in ever-more-basic ways until you understand them?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 12:56 PM
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New discoveries in physics were made simply by taking previously known equations and working out all the math to develop new equations. The empirical tests that took place after those equations were developed simply solidified what was already logically correct. Oh dear. I no longer think that a conversation about epistemology with you would be fruitful. I'd recommend doing some reading on the scientific method, empiricism, and epistemology. This is why philosophy needs to be taught in schools.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 12:34 PM
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Do you feel like you have to say "I feel self-loathing" in order for other people to be able to logically infer it from your other statements?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 12:31 PM
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No, but not all truths require empiricism, or math is all lies. Do you feel that "every human interaction is transactional", a claim about the physical world in which we live, is equivalent to (and requires equivalent proof) the axioms of math? Do you feel that it is possible to reason your way to knowledge of the physical world through logic and "obvious" starting premises? Are you aware that this sort of armchair philosophy runs directly counter to the empirical, scientific tradition that is w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 12:24 PM
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Well of course! Everyone knows that all feminists are women, and AWALT. That means that the logical, rational, empirical thing to do is to find one single example of a feminist being silly, and that's proof that all feminists are evil. Men on the other hand are snowflakes. You can never generalize about the manosphere from just the behavior of literally every popular blogger within it. STEM!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 12:10 PM
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Its a priori knowledge. It can be falsified by finding faulty logic within it. Do you feel that an a priori premise that literally cannot be contradicted by physical evidence is "empirical"? But again, can you give me an example of a model of human action wherein people don't always consciously act out of their own self-interest? Can you give me proof that there isn't a tiny teacup orbiting the earth too small for us to observe? Do you feel that your inability to prove wrong a theory designed to…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 12:07 PM
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Hey now! Just because a man has an Endorsed Contributor tag, is super popular on TRP, and makes a post just filled with agreement from other followers of TRP, doesn't mean that he speaks for TRP! How dare you?!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 11:59 AM
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You don't feel like believing that you are fundamentally unlovable, that affection doesn't truly exist, and that every pleasant interaction in your life has actually been a contest for dominance implies self-hatred? Alright, I'm glad to hear you feel that way. Do you understand how other people might think that those beliefs imply self-hatred?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 11:43 AM
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You don't feel like believing that you are fundamentally unlovable, that affection doesn't truly exist, and that every pleasant interaction in your life has actually been a contest for dominance implies self-hatred? Alright, I'm glad to hear you feel that way. Do you understand how other people might think that those beliefs imply self-hatred?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 11:43 AM
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The reason the model is unfalsifiable is because it is purely logical. That....ok. Do you feel that Dawkins' "orbiting teacup too small to observe" theory is also "purely logical"? What do you feel are the differences between his unfalsifiable theory and your unfalsifiable theory?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 11:37 AM
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Heh. I've learned that I must be very, very polite to followers of TRP, or they get all butthurt about how I'm a "troll" and flounce out of the conversation. I know it sounds stilted, but what're you gonna do? Normal human interaction is apparently too abrasive for some folks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 11:36 AM
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Because it indicates the belief that if people are kind to you or generous toward you, it is only because they are making a self-interested investment. How is this something you're having trouble with?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 07:35 PM
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Because it indicates the belief that if people are kind to you or generous toward you, it is only because they are making a self-interested investment. The attempt to reduce all human interactions down to "alliances" and "symbiotic relationships" leaves no room for emotional attachment, for kindness, or for generosity. Like I explained to /u/PemBayliss, this subject cannot be fruitfully debated, because the "transactional view of human nature" model has basically zero content. It can make no pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 07:30 PM
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Do you feel that I didn't answer your question? I guess I'm not sure how I could answer it more thoroughly than I did. Your model is unfalsifiable and I'm aware of that, so it's a meaningless question to ask if I "believe" in it. I "believe" in it, in the same way that I believe in Dawkins' tiny orbiting unobservable teacup. To me, what is interesting about someone granting importance to that model or treating it as perceptive is what their belief says about them as people, not about what their …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 07:02 PM
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Since the Ayn Randian, "every human interaction takes place only out of cold self-interest" model can be used to model human relationships, and is fundamentally unfalsifiable, it is futile to enter into an argument about this. You are free to use this model if it is what you find best suits you, your feelings, and your beliefs about other people. Do you feel that this is the only valid way to model human relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 06:50 PM
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Is having personally experienced that compatible with the redpill belief that all human interactions are about power and manipulation?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 05:34 PM
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Ah. Have you ever had any interactions where you didn't feel like you and your partner were trying to out-manipulate each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 05:01 PM
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Do you feel that TRP's social prescriptions describe healthy social interactions? Do you then feel that people's disgust isn't with the final product, but just with how clinically it's presented? In other words, do you feel like people's criticism to TRP is just "you shouldn't be conscious of doing that!" rather than "you shouldn't be doing that!"? And if so, have you always felt that all human interactions were about status in a social hierarchy, and mutual manipulation?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 04:45 PM
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I was assuming you had enough sense not to queer your pitch by mentioning it on the first date. Are you familiar with the term "lie by omission"? You presented misleading possible partners about where the relationship could go as the "sensible" thing to do. Why would you backtrack from that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 04:09 PM
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Uh, I just did. Check my other reply, it's all there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 03:45 PM
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Oh, and I should add, I was wrong. It wasn't "informing them of non-monogamy" that you decried as a dumb move, it was "informing them of my not wanting kids" that you decried as a dumb move. So dumb, in fact, that I had to stop and spell out for you that no, I wasn't ok with lying to people just to sleep with them. It's apparently such an alien concept to TRP that it hadn't even occurred to you that I'd be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 03:10 PM
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Oh hey, you removed those comments! How'd you do that? I submitted our first conversation to TBP at the time, since you had something like a minor meltdown and started rambling about tigers, and sinking boats, and the SMV, and so on and so forth. But now, the thread where it all happened is gone! Very mysterious. Oh wait, nevermind, figured it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 02:58 PM
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Oh, no, I just mark myself as grey to annoy CWM. Thanks for asking though!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 02:42 PM
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Oh my. Alright, if that makes you happy! Did you feel like Agree and Amplify would be an effective tactic to use in a sub filled with people who know what Agree and Amplify is?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 02:33 PM
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Oh, so it really is one of those internal divisions which seem very meaningful to the people inside the group. Thank you for clearing that up for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 02:06 PM
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Oh yeah, that might be something we can meaningfully discuss! Why do you insist on saying "I'm not redpill" while using using redpill terms like "incel", insisting on redpill concepts like "the Pussy Cartel" as indisputable facts akin to the existence of the pyramids, and otherwise agreeing with redpill theology in every way? Is this one of those internal division things? Do you feel like TRP is right in almost everything, but you're "not redpill" because of some relatively minor doctrinal dispu…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 01:33 PM
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It's actually that I don't find it interesting to talk with redpillers once they get that upset. I know that it's appealing to file me under "troll" and that way dismiss why I make you uncomfortable, but upsetting you really isn't my goal. When I see that someone's gotten too upset to have a reasonable conversation anymore, I usually try to end that conversation in the hopes that we might be able to talk reasonably again for a while some other day. So, you do you /u/drenzard. Try to remember tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 01:14 PM
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You seem pretty agitated, friend. Let's maybe stop the conversation here, before you get any more upset. It doesn't seem like it'd go anywhere reasonable anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 01:03 PM
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Nothing, as long as everyone is fully informed of where they stand. But as /u/thegreasypole made sure to inform me in our first conversation, fully informing your partners of your non-monogamy and respecting their right to not consent to that is "shooting yourself in the foot", and there's no good reason to do it according to TRP doctrine.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 12:06 PM
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these women don't care about sexism, which means it's irrelevant whether RP'ers are sexist or not. Is something relevant only if the women you want to be attracted to you care about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 12:03 PM
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I discount your "offer of help" unless you can explain exactly how and why therapy would be conductive to BornToBeIncel's stated problems. yes, I think that finding a romantic partner will fix the problem of lacking romantic love and affection. And that's what BornToBeIncels says he's missing, so I'm actually thinking about his own needs, unlike you. Do you feel like people always understand what's really bothering them, or what's gone cognitively wrong for them? Is it possible for someone to, f…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 11:58 AM
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Do you feel like offers of help from strangers are always secretly efforts to emasculate you, or is there something about me specifically which leads you to feel that way? Do you feel like finding a romantic partner is always what's necessary to fix a person? Can there be issues or emotional trauma for which the best solution wouldn't be acquiring a girlfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 08:09 PM
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Oh, TBP isn't intended to be a safe space. We try to keep out the people who are openly engaging in rape apologia, but beyond that, dissenting viewpoints are welcome, though a positive response to them isn't guaranteed. Anyway, thank you for the well-wishing. Enjoy your cult compound "locker room" and plates!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 05:50 PM
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Cool! More exposure to feminism through TBP will probably do you good. Say hi sometime!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 05:40 PM
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It's a shame that that's how you interpreted my concern, but I suppose there isn't anything I could say to convince you of my sincerity. Getting angry at people for not having sex with you is not healthy. Seeing someone express that is worrying, and I do hope that he's receiving help in real life, instead of just more cult indoctrination on TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 05:33 PM
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Maybe, I don't really look to TRP to define most men for me. That's a nice retreat.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 04:55 PM
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Did you realize when you linked your sources that harrisinteractive.com (the source of the study referenced in your link) is down? It was a market research firm, and was apparently so good at it that they went out of business last year. It seems hard to gauge the credibility of an outfit which no longer exists. I also notice you backed away from the claim that "most men like working on machines". Am I correct in assuming that you were unable to find sufficient evidence for that one? The fact is …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 04:31 PM
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You didn't read the thing you linked, did you? Although the traditional Apache had different adult gender roles for men and women, the skills of both were taught to both boys and girls. They all learned how to cook, follow tracks, skin leather and sew stitches, ride horses, and use weapons. This was done because the Apache realized that new and unforeseen situations would require that gender roles change over time in order for the tribe to survive and adapt. -- Among the Delaware (Lenape), men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 03:48 PM
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There are components of masculinity and femininity that have stayed completely stagnant through all of time across the entire planet. Oh? Examples with adequate sources please. Do you mean "the average man"? If I had meant that, I'd have said that. How is that true? I just explained that. You are clearly advocating that the feminine things you do be reclassified as masculine. I am advocating that the things that men do be called masculine, yes. Right now, only the things that some men do get arb…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 03:07 PM
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Bwahaha...alright, alright, I'll try. I don't think anything needs to be reclassified, because it's not like the classifications are fixed. What it means for something to be masculine or feminine is being continuously defined, it's not like it was defined at one point in the past and now I want a special procedure instituted to change that definition. For a long time, the definition of "masculine" has been skewed toward people like you in order to protect your feelings. I am advocating that we s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 02:53 PM
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along with your posting habits of "calling out" people you disagree with while being unable to actually hang in a debate. Do you feel like "that person isn't interested in debating with me" implies that "that person is unable to debate me"? just because their political views and societal perceptions don't match yours. Wait, does that mean that you, too, believe there is a Pussy Cartel? And that people need to "stand up" against the scourge of women-not-sleeping-with-you? you come across as a mem…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 02:47 PM
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I don't feel the need for the entire world to change their definition of masculine to protect my feelings. Oh lord, my sides. I'm sorry. I don't think this conversation is going to be able to progress any further with you saying things like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 02:44 PM
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But you couldn't name a single toxic feminine quality. I named three of them. I just didn't indulge your quibbling about how you don't feel they're all that toxic. Are you that afraid of femininity that you need everyone else to adjust their definitions of words just so you don't associate with it? ? I want a definition of "masculinity" which includes me because I am a man. This shouldn't be hard for you to grasp. I've got a dick, and I habitually dress and identify as male. If masculinity is "t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 02:28 PM
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...that's a lot of thought to put into something irrelevant. I don't calculate n-count. Not everyone cares about that sort of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 02:14 PM
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Ha! Ok then. If you feel that "masculinity" must always mean "traditional masculinity" in order to mean anything, then yes, I do dislike traditional masculinity. It's boring and restrictive, and I don't think that the occasional cross-dressing, or enjoying sexual submissiveness, or sleeping with a guy instead of a girl makes me any less of a man. But I stand by what I said earlier: I oppose traditional femininity just as much as I oppose traditional masculinity. It's the idea of gender roles tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 02:10 PM
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Again with the "afraid". Where are you getting that from? Allow me to repeat: Do you understand how someone could empathize with a stranger and hope they're getting help, not out of fear but out of concern for another's well-being?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 02:06 PM
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Do you feel that "grr traditional masculinity" and "grr masculinity" are equivalent? Can you differentiate between "masculinity" and "traditional masculinity"?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 02:00 PM
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It is when you've made it clear your only purpose is to attack those who disagree with you (as you did with me a while back). Do you feel that my disagreeing with your assessment of feminism justifies the claim that I'm just here to attack people? Your user name indicates that you self-identify as a troll Uh, no. My username indicates that I studied far more physics than I wanted to, and that the term stuck in my head. Though it is interesting how quickly followers of TRP jump to my username as …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 01:56 PM
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if he complains about women. Is that what you saw, in a post talking about the "Pussy Cartel" and how frustrated young men need to "stand up" against women-not-sleeping-with-them?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 01:51 PM
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your hatred of traditional masculinity seethes from your posts. Do you feel like "TRP is a cult!" is equivalent to "grr traditional masculinity!"? Because I thought I'd remained pretty on point with the former, so it's interesting that you feel I've been saying the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 01:49 PM
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It might also help you understand that part of the reason you dislike TRP is that you dislike masculinity. Do you feel like preaching to someone else about what you believe must be their secret feelings will somehow be productive? Are you hoping to convert me to TRP with this conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 01:27 PM
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Men are allowed to straight up complain about women if they want, without being accused of being mass murderers in the making, and shamed into silence. Did you feel like my concern about /u/BornToBeIncel was an attempt at shaming? If so, could you please help me figure out how to phrase that concern better in the future, so that I can express concern for someone who is clearly delusional and suffering without that concern being interpreted as "shaming"? Everyone is allowed to complain, even peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 01:24 PM
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Being a "support" for someone else instead of having your own goals and aspirations. Defining yourself by your partner. Feeling that having children is a requirement for being a good woman. Is there a point to this? Are you going to try to argue now that traditional femininity isn't toxic, so then you can complain that only traditional masculinity is toxic?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 01:20 PM
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Nope, both sets of gender roles preached by TRP are toxic. RPW is just as bad for its adherents as TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 01:11 PM
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People, even male people, are allowed to vent. Did you feel like the part in bold contributed to the conversation in some sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 01:05 PM
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I'm not used to rooting for mods. But for what it's worth (and if the upvotes aren't sufficiently conveying that information) I think you're right in this. /u/_maoistpussy_ needs to take a bit of a time-out and learn to make comments which actually contribute something sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 12:51 PM
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This is...wow. Ok, I know this sort of question is usually seen as an insult in an online context, so I'll preface this by saying that this is not intended as an insult. If I wanted to insult you or attack you, there are far more effective avenues available to me than the following. That said: have you shared these thoughts with a therapist by any chance? Have you talked with anyone in your real life about them? It seems like you're taking the attention-seeking rhetoric of some parts of the mano…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 12:41 PM
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Yup. Still trying to perpetuate toxic gender roles. Still treating people as being worth intrinsically less if they happen to be women. Still obsessed with power and hierarchies, to the point where I doubt this guy can have a natural, relaxed friendship for all the worrying he does about who's more alpha. Still incredibly far up his own ass with "You are the best and brightest! You are the chosen ones!" routine. The reality of who a lot of TRP's members are is pretty gross, sure. But the ideal o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 12:20 PM
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And as I keep on telling you, friend, nobody is virgin-shaming you here. We're liar-shaming, and cult-shaming, not virgin-shaming. It's a shame that you feel that the former somehow imply the latter. We can't stop what we're not doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 11:50 AM
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Do you feel like a statement to the effect of "cis het white boys tend to be shitty to people who aren't cis het white boys" somehow implies that "people who aren't cis het white boys can do no wrong"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 06:34 PM
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Because you appear to feel upset and attacked when we criticize the TRP cult, and I care enough about a random stranger's feelings to try to reassure him that we're not attacking him, and bear him no ill will. You seem to translate your perceived slights into aggression toward strangers, and that's a little unfortunate. But having rough edges doesn't necessarily make you a bad person, and I'd rather you not feel attacked by our attacks on TRP if at all possible. Perhaps that realization isn't so…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 04:32 PM
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I claim not to be a woman. That doesn't make it okay to use "woman" as an insult. And that's very true! Which probably makes it a good thing that that's not what we anti-TRP folks are doing. TRP says "We are not X!". We say "But you actually are probably X, because [facts]. Since you're saying you're not X but you are actually X, you're a liar. And being a liar is bad!". The contents of X are pretty much irrelevant. It is the lying, both to outsiders and to potential new recruits, that we protes…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 04:04 PM
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No, almost always it will be be "Are repdillers unattractive/beta nerds/neckbeards/virgins etc". These are the things that followers of TRP claim, above all other things, not to be. If they claimed to be ponies, we'd ask "are redpillers secretly non-ponies?". I think you're seeing shaming where none is intended. Yeah, you just don't care enough to actually stop doing something that makes them feel worse. Do you feel like people who criticize TRP are doing it to hurt your feelings? Or do you feel…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 03:49 PM
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Ok, for my own curiosity (and feel free to PM me if you'd rather not answer that here), but...is that something that redpillers actually believe? That when people say "redpillers are lying about who they are" the intent isn't to say "redpillers are liars" but rather to say "being awkward/unattractive is bad"? I understand that it's an effective distraction, and it helps put people who attack the cult of TRP on the defensive since we really don't want unattractive men to feel any worse than they …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 03:35 PM
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Isn't it common TRP doctrine that TRP is necessary for men who aren't "naturally alpha"? So if anything, wouldn't you expect to find less men with natural alpha traits, instead of more?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 03:26 PM
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Leaving aside the implied claim that we get something equivalent to the OP literally every day...does that mean that what bothers you about this sort of post isn't how pointless it is, but just that it's repetitive?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 03:08 PM
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So do you feel like you and all your fellows at TRP are tall, built, and rich? That feels like a convincing claim to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 03:05 PM
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While we're doing that, can we also ban the "Are all feminists bitter ugly single women?" non-questions? But if we start banning rhetorical non-questions aimed exclusively at starting circlejerks, we'd end up banning like 80% of PPD content. So maybe it'd be better not to start.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 03:04 PM
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No, being asexual doesn't appeal to me. Sex has always been a fun and positive thing in my life, and losing interest in a hobby like that would strike me as giving up an important source of happiness without gaining something in return. I guess it also bears mentioning that asexual people face a lot of othering in our society. I'm sympathetic to that, and I try not to do it myself, but it wouldn't be appealing to have still another thing for cis het white boys to be shitty about.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 03:00 PM
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Not interested in marriage, with anyone. So.....N within [0, inf)? If you're asking instead "what N count for a woman precludes her from being LTR material?", then the answer is "none". Partner count really doesn't matter to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 12:37 PM
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Do any of us actually believe the caricatures of feminism that anti-feminists share with each other? No, I don't think any of us do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 03:41 PM
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It's ok to draw conclusions about an ideological group from the common behavior in the people in that group. It's not ok to draw conclusions about an entire gender or race from the behavior of some people in that gender or race. How is this something you're having difficulty with?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 11:46 AM
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Oh, I've seen this confusion before. When people say "TRP says X", they don't mean "The sidebar in TRP says X". They mean "People in the TRP community say X, and are widely applauded for it". The sidebar in TRP doesn't say that women shouldn't vote. The members of the TRP community frequently and regularly tell each other that women shouldn't vote in the comment sections of TRP. Hope that cleared up your confusion!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 12:16 PM
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it's pretty clear that a lot of women are very disgusted by men who have sex dolls, and even simpler sex toys. That counts as opposition to me. If you want to define "opposition" broadly enough that it includes "I think it's creepy, but you do you", you're free to do that. But it's far from the standard definition, and you're going to cause misunderstandings by using this non-standard definition without clarifying what you mean each time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 12:07 PM
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"We think that the creation of such robots will contribute to detrimental relationships between men and women, adults and children, men and men and women and women," she said. Interesting that they'd look for someone saying that. Sexbots seem great precisely for that reason! The men who just want a pliant non-sentient sex-thing can get exactly what they want, without harming anyone else. Seems like a win-win for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 03:07 PM
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I personally don't understand why some feminists oppose sexbots Have you seen any feminists oppose sexbots? So far all I've seen is TweRPs saying that feminists should oppose sexbots, and feminists saying "bring on the sexbots!".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 02:48 PM
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Your social theory predicts that "post wall women" should be furious at the thought of sexbots for terpers. Your observations show that women are either indifferent, or happy at the thought of sexbots. When observations fail to match the predictions of your theory, do you reject your theory, or your observations?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 12:00 PM
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if polled readers and viewers of 50 shades and asked them if they were a femminst the overwhelming majority would saty no? Almost certainly. And if you polled feminists and asked them if they were fans of 50 Shades, the overwhelming majority would definitely say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 11:59 AM
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Either? Your study doesn't seem to have made that clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 07:45 PM
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No, I think that you'd simply dismiss my argument on principle because it's me making it. Do you feel that that's why I refute the few arguments you bother actually making, because you feel that you're disliked? So far you haven't really bothered making an argument justifying TRP. You say "I was sad because I was lonely". And then...that's it. So far, that's been your whole argument. I've responded with essentially "I don't think that loneliness justifies immoral behavior". And your response has…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 07:43 PM
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here Oh, that's why you responded to my comment!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 07:36 PM
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Do you feel that "not wanting a bisexual partner" and "not wanting a threesome" are equivalent?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 07:33 PM
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Stealth-editing: rude! You're saying that I'm wrong, being unfair, etc. Would you care to specify in what way I'm being unfair, and how you feel that I've misrepresented your argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 07:31 PM
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Didn't you write a long defensive response to a day-old comment of mine, literally two minutes before telling me that the conversation is over? Are you trying to move the conversation over to a setting where fewer people will see it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 07:20 PM
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Should I take that to mean that you still feel that you're being unfairly represented by my summary of our past conversations? Which part would you say you're most offended by?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 07:02 PM
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I know, I know, you keep on angrily saying that you didn't just demand sex, you also demanded love and a relationship. I've been trying to be charitable, and keep the amount of undeserved entitlement you express down to a minimum. If you'd like me to from here on out explain in full that the reason you feel entitled to rape women now is because nobody wanted to date or fuck you in high school, I suppose I could do that. I wouldn't want you to feel that I was representing your position unfairly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 06:42 PM
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Moreover, YOU injected (heh) your sexual orientation into the discussion. I didn't bring it up, you did. You'd been asking me about my recent sexual experiences, and how long it took to go from meeting to sex. I used a male pronoun when referring to my last partner, and that was it. Then you asked me about my ratio of male to female partners, how much I lied to my partners, if I liked pegging or being topped, etc etc. I dunno, seems like a lot of curiosity to get from a single pronoun. So, what'…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 06:40 PM
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Do you often feel like the reason other people get frustrated by your ignorance is because they're being dishonest?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 06:37 PM
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Is it potentially expanding the obesity epidemic, which is a burden on national healthcare and quality of life, to tell obese women to stay as they are rather than lose weight and avoid diabetes and hypertension (and many other ailments)? I believe so. Should men be rude to women and post negative appraisals of a woman's appearance? No. Absolutely not. They should simply keep it to themselves. Feels weird agreeing with someone with red flair, even a little bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 06:34 PM
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I dunno, I'm pretty curious about you. For example, you never responded to me before: why were you asking me if I was into pegging the other day?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 06:30 PM
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Men are denigrated left and right for everything they are and aren't; for everything they do and don't do. Have you always felt like society victimized you? Do you think you've felt that way more ever since you converted to TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 06:07 PM
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Ellen Degenerate's Poe's Law. Wish I were home, so I could take a shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 05:53 PM
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Nope. Teaching people about rape culture is feminists actively working to ensure that rape is treated as a serious crime instead of "a mistake", and "Teach Men Not To Rape" is feminists helping men understand that rape isn't just "something other people do", but something that they may be doing without recognizing it. Consent can be tricky for people who've always been taught to disregard it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 05:50 PM
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Actually, all those objections are about male dominance. Do you understand how there can be a difference between "seeking a power and experience imbalance" and "dominance"? Do you think that the feminist objections to 50 year old men trying to pick up 18 year old girls stem primarily from our objecting to the old creep's "dominance"? Being a 27y/o self made attractive billionaire wasn't the issue for them. Seriously brah, read the article. The disparity in their wealth was one of the objections …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 05:48 PM
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Uh, right here buddy. I'm a feminist, and while I wouldn't consider myself an opponent of the fat-acceptance movement, I'm not a supporter either. I think that the modern abundance of cheap calories means we should all be working harder at staying fit, not making our peace with being fat. You know what the difference between us here is? I don't feel like other people saying something I disagree with to women is somehow an attack on me. You apparently do. Why do you feel like some women telling s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 05:46 PM
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Are they? I'll admit I don't know what the current crop of celebrities is, I tend not to keep up with that sort of thing. Alright, leaving aside dad bod as something which you find unconvincing: can you think of any other factors which might be seen as already boosting male self-esteem but not female self-esteem?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 05:37 PM
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Feminists and "Fat acceptance" overlap so much, they are barely indistinguishable. Assuming you meant "barely distinguishable", do you feel like your inability to distinguish between two things makes them identical to everyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 05:34 PM
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So you did something you think is wrong, because someone else did it? Do you often use "but they did it first!" to justify your misbehavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 05:32 PM
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In an article where all the photos of "dad bods" are of male celebrities and where all the examples of men with "Dad bods" are famous actors and celebrities. Can you think of any other reason why a magazine about celebrity culture would use celebrities as examples? I don't know how to link it, but feel free to google "dad bod examples". Look at the image search. It's not all celebrities. QED.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 05:31 PM
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From the link in the comment you just responded to: it is the distilled essence of decades worth of Harlequin paperbacks, with hyper-stereotypical gender roles pushed to the point of perversity He is older and wealthy. She is young and poor. He is experienced and controlling. She is naive and trusting. He’s the strong, quiet type. She’s vulnerable and wants to talk. He owns a helicopter. She drives a VW bug. He overawes her. Later, she needs him to save her from the unwanted affection of a colle…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 05:29 PM
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Being a feminist man, no, I don't. Now that I've answered your question, could you please answer mine? You keep on pointing to how some people are women as if that made them feminists. Is that what you believe? And if not, why does these people's gender matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 05:26 PM
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Why do you keep yelling "woman"? It's pretty creepy. Do you yell a lot off-line, too? Actually feminism and fat acceptance overlaps dramatically. So you do you feel that it's intellectually honest to say "feminist", but secretly mean "fat acceptance supporter"? Wouldn't it have caused less confusion to actually say what you meant?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 05:25 PM
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The "Dad Bod" fad/meme was started by women; Do you feel like something can't be pro-male-self-esteem if it's not started by men? If so, why do you think MRA's so often try to blame feminists for not being more about helping men? and it had nothing to do with self esteem. Oh no? The article I linked seemed to suggest otherwise. Why would saying "men with a bit of a paunch are sexy" not be about self-esteem? It has to do with the less-than-ripped but still in good shape CELEBRITY male body. If yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 05:23 PM
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And I just linked one of the actually numerous feminists who thought it was crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 05:18 PM
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Do you feel like anything a WOMAN!!!!!1111!!1111! does is automatically feminist?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 05:17 PM
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I am honestly saying what I just said: that 50 Shades of Grey is incompatible with feminism, and that it was very poorly received in the online feminist groups which I'm a part of. I'm not saying anything about Magic Mike, because I don't know what that is and don't care enough to look it up. I'm assuming yet another shitty hollywood movie? Do you feel that "feminism" and "the fat acceptance movement" are the same thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 05:14 PM
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My feminist friends and I hated 50 shades. It's a shitty twilight fanfic, and twilight is already a shitty fanfic about an emotionally abusive relationship. I don't think you'll find many feminists excited about 50 shades. Much like twilight, it reinforced traditionally abusive gender norms in relationships. Not exactly compatible with feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 05:06 PM
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You would be, but you're a woman expressing an opinion, so even though it's a redpill opinion you're still WRONG!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 04:57 PM
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A man is telling you that it is. Since a man is telling that you that this campaign made by women, talking about women, talking to women, is actually about men...why do you have to keep being a bitch and disagreeing? /s
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 04:48 PM
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Hehe, you're welcome! I'm just happy whenever I get a chance to reasonably use "u wot m8" in conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 04:41 PM
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It's really kind of amazing. But then, this is why we need feminism. Some dudes are still so self-centered that they believe that anything said publicly to anyone is actually being said to them. Because otherwise, why would it be said in public?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 04:36 PM
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Everything is about men. EVERYTHING. And if it's not, it's misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 04:30 PM
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Do you feel like the only reason people might find your behavior irritating is because they don't understand you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 04:29 PM
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Do you feel like being told "don't shame this person" is equivalent to "you must be attracted to this person"? Do you need to be attracted to someone in order to refrain from insulting them? Why aren't there any movements for the self esteem for men who aren't considered top tier? u wot m8?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 04:28 PM
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Yes, I'm familiar with the word, thanks. I'm also familiar with the effects of dehumanizing language on thought and empathy. Do you feel like being deliberately inflammatory is a victory of some sort?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 04:19 PM
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Alright brah, whatever you say!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 04:04 PM
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Let's let people make up their own minds about what your views are, shall we? With any luck, it'll save someone the time wasted figuring out your knowledge and feelings about that thing you're supposedly an authority on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 03:58 PM
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it seems that most people breed within their subspecies, I'ma stop you there. These are subspecies. Note how some are several times larger than the others, their physical proportions are all very different, etc. These are ethnicities. Note how they're all almost exactly the goddamn same. "Subspecies". Jesus christ. I started going into addressing the rest of your comment, and then I remembered (from the strong sense of deja vu I was getting) that I've done all this before. Feel free to find some…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 03:53 PM
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which seems counterintuitive to the basic ideals of feminism. I wanted to provide some context for that statement, and for who was making it. "The basic ideals of feminism" means slightly different things when coming from someone who knows what those ideals are, or when coming from someone who believes feminism is a man-hating cult hell-bent on ruining society. You're free to carry on from this point telling people about the ideals of that thing you hate and don't know much about. But you should…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 03:46 PM
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You haven't read Guns Germs and Steel, have you? Yet so quick to dismiss it by pointing to other books.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 03:36 PM
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I like to give some context for people when someone with ridiculous views says something designed to seem reasonable. I've been doing it whenever /u/exit_sandman talks about how society oppresses and persecutes men (since he didn't have as much sex as he wanted to when he was a teenager, and apparently that's the moral equivalent of a war crime?), or when /u/whisper starts alluding to how badass he is (the man, literally, told me that I feared him in the same way that I must fear teenage boys, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 03:35 PM
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Please stop yelling, TGP. The only time you're more unsightly than when you're feeling insecure and trying to show off your thesaurus is when you're feeling threatened and falling back on volume over logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 03:23 PM
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If only there were some sort of analysis of the lucky environmental factors which lead to European colonization...but there isn't, so I guess we'll have to fall back on genetic superiority!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 03:20 PM
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And in what sense is GLO selling T-Shirts "a significant proportion of RPs members and leaders". In the sense that he's selling t-shirts, and the others are selling books and ad-space on their blogs. They're all trying to profit off their influence with the TRP faithful though. How are you not getting this?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 03:05 PM
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which seems counterintuitive to the basic ideals of feminism. Aren't you the guy who was telling me a couple days ago that feminism is centrally about hatred of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 02:36 PM
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If it's so easy, why did you have to lie, misrepresent, and bend definitions so badly so as to be able to say it ? Didn't. You are taking it to mean "any individual within that group, irrespective of the groups position". Nah, I'm taking it to mean "a significant portion of its members and leaders". Proselytizing is doable by anyone, so I consider the whole membership, and it appears to be a common practice among the rank-and-file of TRP. Scamming the members is really only available to the lead…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 01:54 PM
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You wanted to a drive by "RP is a cult" Drive by? I argue that TRP is a cult whenever the subject of TRP comes up. It's an easy argument to make. I'm using the definition you provided No, you're not. You're taking "the group" to mean "the formal governing body of the group". Just like how you like to pretend that "TRP doesn't proselytize", because "that's just me proselytizing, it's not TRP". If the members of a group do a thing, that means that the group does that thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 01:38 PM
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Do you wish to quibble with any of those designations, given that we have demonstrated that whislt an individual member is happy to make money for himself, there is no request for, need for, presumption that, or call for RP members to raise money ? Oh my god could you abuse a thesaurus more? Nah TGP, I'm not interested in arguing each point with you. Particularly given how long-winded you get when you feel threatened, and how you've already moved the goalpost on this one by specifying that "even…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 01:29 PM
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I took your 14 point cult scale... and rated 4 organisations. It appears we have a problem classifying RP as a cult unless we classify the Democratic Party and a Football Team as cults too. Do you feel like your rating, as a member and vocal supporter of TRP, is objective in this matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 01:17 PM
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patently bullshit The fact that gay lube oil sells T-shirts (to pick an example) The fact that GLO sells T-shirts (and is heavily endorsed by the admins), the fact that the TRP network of blogs etc is heavily preoccupied with selling their books and getting more traffic to their sites, etc. TRP is partly about fleecing idiots, no need to get angry about it. can only really come to the conclusion we don't qualify if they understand RP even in the slightest. But according to you, doesn't everyone …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 12:47 PM
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"AWALT because some guy said that AWALT". I guess it really does illustrate why TRP says AWALT: because other dudebros said it. I'm surprised you'd want to admit to that though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 12:29 PM
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Scroll down brah. I used a commonly-used checklist of "what makes something a cult"? If you want to use your own, individual definition of a cult over the commonly-used definitions, you're free to do so. But when the definitions of words are freely available on the internet, you're going to have a hard time convincing people that TRP isn't a cult "because the internet". Just like your fellow TweRP kinda failed to make his point that TRP isn't a cult "because reddit".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 11:55 AM
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Alright, swapped it out with a different source for that image. Is it better now?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 11:52 AM
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Can you argue against it? A better question would be: am I interested in doing so? I've spent far too much of my limited time on earth arguing against the self-pitying "wahhhh! Other countries have more xenophobic governments than mine and this makes me sad, wahhh!" nonsense that is Whitaker's Mantra. It's pointless. The people whose countries were enriched by over a century of systematic looting refuse to acknowledge that colonialism might have something to do with why Europe is prosperous and …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 11:51 AM
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Oh! Sorry about that, I just used google image search and picked something which looked appropriate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 11:46 AM
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Already did. Scroll down.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 11:45 AM
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Ah, the good old "u r troll me rite u rong" defense. It's quite the show-stopper!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 03:07 PM
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You said that one of the things that makes TRP a cult is that it does not tolerate opposing views. If this does make TRP into a cult, I suppose you did make it clear that you were too lazy to read the checklist you were responding to. Do you feel like you're entitled to be taken seriously when you won't bother to learn what you're arguing against?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 02:58 PM
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And do you feel like you're representative of everyone in TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 02:53 PM
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You have assess that TRP is a cult but yet if I question that then its Tu quoque. Nope. If your response to my explanation of how TRP is a cult is "but /r/feminism!", then that's tu quoque. Please don't play dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 02:50 PM
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That's what "Dark Enlightenment" means, yes. I'm wondering if he'll break out Whitaker's Mantra in response to you, or save that for more agreeable subreddits.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 02:47 PM
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Using your checklist I can get any group to seem like a cult. Except no, you couldn't. Do you feel like the group dynamic in TRP is normal, and that all other groups are like that? I mean if TRP is so wrong for not allowing contrary points of views, then places like /r/feminism should be the shining examples of tolerating other points of views. Which it is not. Tu quoque. If TRP is a cult, what does that make SWJ's or TBP? It makes "SJW" a snarl word intended to shut down conversation. And it ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 02:41 PM
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Your premise is that since TRP is trying to convert people to TRP (Subreddit) that makes it a cult. So you do acknowledge that TRP is about converting more men to TRP? to use the existence of the subreddit and trying to convert people to that subreddit as proof that it is a cult is not strong enough evidence. I didn't mention the existence of the subreddit, you did. TRP would be TRP with or without a subreddit. What makes TRP a cult is that it's an unfalsifiable, feel-good ideology peddled to pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 02:27 PM
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You....what? The ideology at the center of your cult existed before the creation of your subreddit. Therefore, it's not a cult? That's your reasoning? Hey, did you know that Scientology isn't a cult? It existed before its subreddit!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 02:03 PM
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Do you feel like "people thinking you're not worth their time" is some sort of victory for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 01:50 PM
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Why was your response to "I'm not interested in having this conversation" an attempt to continue the conversation? Could you please respect that I find your racism boring and predictable, and don't want to engage in yet another conversation about why "it's not racism because it's not about hating non-Whites, it's about White pride!", and "we're defending ourselves from White genocide!", etc etc etc. Seen it all too many times before.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 01:39 PM
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My point is that it's strange to see feminists oppose gendered insults to women but not gendered insults to men, not that gendered insults to women don't exist. And that's fair. I think that most feminists, if asked, would agree that gendered insults in general need to go. But often people have an emotional reaction to how many more insults there are attacking women than attacking men (and how much more freely they're used), and want to retaliate a bit sometimes. It's wrong, but it's very unders…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 01:25 PM
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TRP is not there to convert people to TRP. It is there for people who have chosen to convert themselves The very first conversation we had, you linked me to the Book of Pook and told me about how it'd open my eyes. So, you keep telling yourself that brah. It's your call dude. Either you think we're right or you don't. If you do.... Come in and chat. If you don't, see ya. Yup, just like almost all cults. You do understand that cults don't kidnap people off the street and force them to believe, ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 12:56 PM
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TRP is there to help people. More accurately, TRP is there to convert people to TRP. The assumption (made exclusively by people already converted to TRP) is that doing so will help people, but that's secondary to the main goal: spreading TRP's memes as widely as possible. There's a reason we call it a cult.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 12:46 PM
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After all, we're ideological enemies, therefore everything is fair in hate and war. Uh, no. It's important to argue in good faith, particularly when you're right and your opponent doesn't have a leg to stand on anyway. Why cheat when you can easily win fairly? Why do you feel like I'd have this attitude? Do you have this attitude? Do you assume everyone else does too? regardless of what line of reasoning I would come up that supports my argument, you'd simply be dismissing it anyway and resort t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 12:39 PM
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I've had this conversation far too many times already, and I'm not interested in having it again. If you're interested in circlejerking about how you "never had anything handed to you" and you're "a self-made man" and "white people are the ones really being oppressed", /r/whiterights and /r/stormfront are that way --->.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 12:33 PM
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I've had this conversation far too many times already, and I'm not interested in having it again. If you're interested in circlejerking about how you "never had anything handed to you" and you're "a self-made man" and "white people are the ones really being oppressed", /r/whiterights and /r/stormfront are that way --->.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 12:33 PM
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is there a set of gender roles in courtship that you either conform to or defy? Neither. Some people (not that many in my social circles) have a set of gender roles that I ignore. Much like I ignore the gender roles in Saudi Arabia, or Russia. Do you feel like you're defying those roles by not trying to live by them? Traditional gender roles preclude the possibility of a healthy relationship. One can ask "what are the traditional gender roles within a relationship?", or one can ask "how do I hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 12:30 PM
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Tenet. Tenant is a person paying to live in a building. Off the top of my head, I can think of many negative gendered words aimed at women. Bitch. Cunt. Ice queen. Slut. Cocktease. Even insults aimed by men at men are actually insulting women; they're the equivalent of saying "you're so bad, you might as well be a woman!". Mangina. Pussy. Pansy. Sissy. Off the top of my head, I can't think of many negative gendered words aimed at men. Dudebro, I guess? If you really want to stretch you could inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 12:27 PM
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I'm white and I know Asians with so much more power than me When you wrote this, did you feel like it was a rebuttal of "cis white straight male" privilege? Do you still feel that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 08:13 PM
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You're catching on! Do you feel like skirts are inherently feminine? How about the color pink? Or how about stockings, are those inherently feminine? Or long hair? Do you understand the difference between "inherent to this gender" and "happens to be associated with this gender by some people right now"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 08:11 PM
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That's like asking "do you view blonde and brunette roles in a romance as being identical". How are you not getting this? There's no such thing as a "male role" and a "female role" in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 08:03 PM
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Your question doesn't make any sense. It is equivalent to this: "What is the brunette role, in a healthy relationship?" Do you understand how the above is a nonsensical question?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 07:56 PM
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Why do you assume I was skimming? Because you took serious offense at a click-bait article, and presented it as your strongest evidence of how "bad" feminism is these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 07:40 PM
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Does "romance" involve a woman doing anything? Or, is her role simply to be the object of the man's desire, and the recipient of resources? What the fuck is wrong with you people? I understand that oftentimes people turn to cults like TRP when they've failed repeatedly at living normal lives. But have you seriously never had or even seen a healthy relationship before?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 07:01 PM
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Cis white straight men have less institutional power. It's really quite amazing some of the things you hear online.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 06:54 PM
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I told you I have for years and still do. Do you feel like "skimming looking for things to be offended by" is the same as reading something? And do you still feel like that article about prison reform is offensive to your gender? You are beautiful. Well of course!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 06:47 PM
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you are in denial and i don't care. You've replied to four of my comments, usually made to other people, in the last half hour. Are you sure about that? Do you usually go out of your way to start conversations about people when you don't care? the impression comes from feminists on twitter, jezebel, reddit itself Awesome! So you should have a very easy time providing examples of how this is what feminists believe, since you have "endless examples of this". So, provide some evidence! Isn't that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 06:31 PM
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Okay, so you ignored admitting that you were wrong for completely judging where I get my perception of modern feminism from, But I wasn't. Why would I "admit" that I was wrong when I wasn't? You don't read feminist blogs, and back when you did, you were so delicate that you interpreted anything not about men as being an attack on men. I assumed that you would use your strongest example of "bad feminism" as your example of how bad things are now. So I thought I'd address that strongest example, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 06:27 PM
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Can you provide any sources for your claims that aren't conservative blogs?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 06:14 PM
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Oh, do you mean the article which advocates largely diminishing or eliminating jails entirely in favor of community service? See below: "Essentially, the case for closing women’s prisons is the same as the case for imprisoning fewer men. It is the case against the prison industrial complex and for community-based treatment where it works better than incarceration. But there is evidence that prison harms women more than men, so why not start there?" Sure, the author decided to take click-bait too…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 06:08 PM
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"femsplaining" = a women dares disagreeing with a man on issues that only men should be allowed to discuss according to some weird academic quasireligion. Do you believe that that's what "mansplaining" means? Wikipedia defines it as: "to explain something to someone, typically a man to woman, in a manner regarded as condescending or patronizing." Do you feel like the dictionary definition of "mansplaining" is dishonest, and that it actually, secretly means what you said?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 06:02 PM
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You've been reading feminist blogs you hate for years now? Or am I correct in guessing that you've been reading conservative blogs for years now, and those blogs have told you all about how much those feminist blogs suck?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 05:02 PM
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You just pointed to some popular feminist blogs. Could you please point to some popular feminist blogs saying these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 04:54 PM
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You just pointed to some popular feminist blogs. Could you please point to some popular feminist blogs saying these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 04:52 PM
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a sizeable number of feminists use that to treat men in ways that they would not consider acceptable treatment for women (e.g. the gender-based words like "mansplaining" that I mentioned). Do you believe that feminism is incompatible with the use of gendered words?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 04:47 PM
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these feminists don't represent all feminists but they clearly represent a lot of feminists. Really now? Could you please provide a source for that assertion? Keep in mind that conservative blogs about how awful all feminists are and how "this is what feminists actually believe" don't count. Can you point to some popular feminist blogs saying these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 04:27 PM
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I disagree with how he presented some of the details. You disagree with how he "presented" them, but not with the actual content of what he said? Do you feel that le femnazis really think it's fine to mistreat/hurt some people, that they're anti-equality-if-it-inconveniences-them, etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 04:08 PM
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professional feminists You mean the clowns who get on TV explicitly because of how ridiculous they are? Well, I've seen Sarah Palin say that libruls are the devil and that there is a holy war for the soul of America. Does that mean that "this is what conservatives actually believe"? Have you seen any people who don't make their living off of being ridiculous say these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 04:06 PM
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1) You state why you think my views on feminism/sjw are a straw man based on what you actually think their positions are and how they differ from what I've described. Alright, sure. Literally every single contrast you provided? The "standard morality" is the feminist one, and is not actually all that widespread in practice; the relative rarity of the "standard morality" position is why we still need feminism. I won't really speak for what the "sjw" morality is because I refuse to dignify that sn…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 04:03 PM
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I think he is fishing for r/thebluepill subscribers that overlap with SJWs of this mindset, so they can explain why they behave this way. So, obviously this doesn't apply to you. Except that nobody has this mindset. He's "fishing" for a non-existent strawman. Now cue the usual crowd of TweRPs jerking each other off in the comments about how "no feminists can answer this!".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 03:58 PM
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And you're free to feel that way. Do you feel like OP meant to say that, by saying that "It's only wrong to mistreat another person if they are less privileged than you" is why it's "impossible to be sexist against men"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 03:57 PM
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Sjw morality: it is only wrong to mistreat another person if they are less privileged than you. That's why it's "impossible to be sexist against men" or "impossible to be racist against white people". Do you feel like "it is definitionally impossible to be sexist against someone who is privileged" is equivalent to "It isn't wrong to mistreat people more privileged than you"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 03:48 PM
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So...just who is this aimed at? If you wanted to just circlejerk about how nasty and mean the imaginary social justice warriors are, why not do it in an environment more conducive to that sort of thing, like /r/theredpill or /r/conservative? I'm one of those "radical liberals", a feminist, a "sjw", etc etc...or so I'm told by every twerp I speak with. And I don't agree with any of the strawman "sjw morality" you present. So...what was the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 03:33 PM
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It's so nice having fans!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 01:18 PM
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Do you feel better now? Got it all out of your system? If you need to continue the tantrum, please feel free to do so. I'd rather you take out your impotent rage on me than on whichever unfortunate woman may be stuck with you in her life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 01:11 PM
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I think you actually know what these things mean, I know what they mean, but I don't agree that they exist. Kind of like how I know what "unicorns" and "fairies" mean, but I don't engage in conversations which assume they're real. If I know how to respond with a playful banter to a girl commenting on my character or actions in a manner that makes her attracted to me, am I being manipulative? That's a different question. And the answer is: it depends on if you are being honest about who you are, …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 11:55 AM
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Yes, you DO tell the women you fuck that you're going to be fucking other women. Is that correct? Yes, duh. This shouldn't even be a question. Yes, you DO tell the women you fuck that you're OK with them fucking other guys. Is that correct? Yes, duh. This shouldn't even be a question. So do you tell the men you fuck that you'll be fucking other women? Other men? Do you tell your partners that you're bisexual? Yes, duh. This shouldn't even Ok, this is getting repetitive. Look, if you have any que…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 11:52 AM
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I'm pretty bored with this conversation now. If you're curious why, see below: I'm not dismissing you either. You're the one who is dismissing me, All you know is what you either read in your college textbooks or on facebook,
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 11:48 AM
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you can't combine Latin and Greek base words? Basing your identity around fake hybrid etymology is just dumb. ...you are aware that we're speaking English, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 11:46 AM
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you're one of these guys who thinks they're some incredible outlier But that's just the thing: I'm not an outlier. People like me are incredibly fucking common. whose existence alone disproves the validity of RP ideas, ...and our existence does counter TRP's predictions. According to TRP, people like me should not exist, since we have multiple sexually and emotionally satisfying relationships without dread, without game, and without steroids lifting. nobody's scratching their head here. Well of …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 11:45 AM
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Only 99% of the comments on r/tbp are not laughing at all, they don't even come off as amused. Perhaps we're reading different subreddits. Or is this like how followers of TRP like to claim that TBP "isn't funny" since they're not amused, and therefore can't be a satire subreddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 11:42 AM
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Response to your edits: Dude, if you're going to do stealth-edits like that, say something! I might've missed it if I hadn't been bored. Do you do things like tell them "I'm not into commitment; I'm going to have sex with other women?" ...and you lot wonder why I laugh when twerps tell me that poly is plate-spinning. I'm not even sure how to respond to that. Is that something you really believe poly people do? Do you feel like the only possible commitment a woman might want is sexual monogamy? A…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 06:54 PM
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But aren't AWALT? How could a man be attractive to women if he doesn't do any of the things that are required to be attractive to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 06:45 PM
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If you attract multiple attractive women for sex, then that is alpha. So "alpha" is definitionally: any attractive man. Your cult tells people that in order to be "alpha", they have to be to lift, get ripped, take steroids, turn every conversation into a power struggle, treat the women in their lives like children, etc etc. There are plenty of poly men who don't do any of that, yet have several attractive partners. Does the conflict between the above statements bother you at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 06:43 PM
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What is manipulation? Interesting question. I'd have to say that it is misrepresenting reality to another person in order to achieve an outcome you find desirable. If I like to just eat what I like but instead stick to a diet because I want to be ripped, is that manipulation? Nope. If a girl has extensions in her hair and moans when giving head, is she manipulating me? Unclear. It would depend on if she was actually enjoying herself, or faking that enjoyment for whatever reason. The hair extensi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 06:39 PM
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Cool, I guess? I'm a little confused. Why do you feel like I'd care if you tell me I'm redpill or not? Do you feel as if telling me that I'm more successful at your cult than you (and by not following its methodology!) in some sense helps you win an argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 05:48 PM
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if you're a guy who has sex with multiple women who have sex with other men, you fuck sluts. Aren't like 98% of women "sluts" to you though? Do you feel like a term can be meaningful when it's applied to almost everyone? The fact that you might have "emotionally fulfilling" "relationships" with these "attractive" women doesn't change the fact that you're fucking sluts. What's with the scare quotes? Do you feel like your cult enables you to know more than I do about how emotionally fulfilling my …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 05:45 PM
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Except I fall in love with sluts, support them emotionally, am emotionally open to them and confide my fears and weaknesses in them...and they still keep fucking me! Clearly I must practice black bragick. The darkest bragickal arts!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 05:39 PM
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I don't see why you can't act alpha and fuck sluts. Do you feel like those are the only two options for people? Either be a "beta cuck", or "act alpha and fuck sluts"? Do you feel that emotionally fulfilling relationships with women you find attractive are impossible to attain without manipulation?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 05:34 PM
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I had a lifetime of experience before those things even existed. Um, ok? So do you hang out and speak with feminists regularly then? I think anyone who has lived in this society knows what feminism is. Oh wait, nevermind. Do you feel like you know what feminism is better than most feminists? Perhaps you may have read about it in one of your facebook posts. Or maybe not. ...are you...what? Facebook-shaming? Is that what this is? Even if we don't see the same facebook posts or encounter the same m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 05:30 PM
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It's weird how I hear this super regularly, and I hear "polyamorists are just beta cucks!" super regularly. Is there some division of opinion about this in TRP? /u/Sepean, do you believe that men who practice polyamory are natural alphas who are spinning plates? Since poly involves being ok with your female partners having other male partners, does this mean that twerps are supposed to be ok with being "cucked"?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 05:14 PM
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"I'm not a redpiller": I would disagree that it's factually incorrect. there is a lot of truth to it... Ok bro, whatever you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 03:49 PM
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Do you believe that the people who say "I oppose TRP because it is factually incorrect" are masking their true reasons for opposing it? What about the people who say "I oppose TRP because it advocates abuse"?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 03:37 PM
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How about those who actually live in that society and have a lifetime of experience? Does that count for anything? You tell me. Unlike you, I'm a feminist. Unlike you, I am directly exposed to feminist memes, feminist facebook posts, etc. So unlike you, I have "a lifetime of experience" with the things feminists actually say, and can contrast it with the things anti-feminists claim feminists say. And that "half-century of unmitigated hatred for men"? That's not anything in feminism. You get the …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 03:33 PM
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It's strange that you present yourself as rational and logical, yet you continue to evade questions that make you uncomfortable. Do you feel like anecdotal evidence is a superior method for determining truth than scientific inquiry?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 03:17 PM
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I can completely understand why people would be opposed to TRP. Why might people be opposed to TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 03:13 PM
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I'm not a red piller or a blue piller. Ok. While TRP is biased and doesn't get everything right all the time, the sub is about cold reality. Um. You seriously undermined your first point there. But for some people when their bubble world is threatened, you usually get the kind of knee jerk reaction that is evident in TBP. Do you feel like the reason why people dislike TRP is because of cognitive dissonance? Can you think of any other reasons people might dislike TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 02:51 PM
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Didn't you just tell me that you were going to ignore me now, and to not "stalk" you? Yet immediately after, you speak to me again. Are you ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 02:48 PM
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I've linked to an example of it above-- rejoicing at the suffering of others is HATRED. I suppose it would be, yes. But you linked to people rejoicing at the improvement of the lives of abuse victims. Why do you feel like these are two equivalent things?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 02:47 PM
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And you know this how? Let's look elsewhere in this comment section, shall we? You say: I tried relationships their way: Empathy, "sharing my feelings", compromise, bent over backwards to have an "egalitarian" relationship, doing 50% of the chores, doing "choreplay", learning to "communicate better", pedestalizing, supplicating, "being nice" and "being myself". Please note the parts in bold. It's really an incredibly illustrative sentence. With just one sentence you tell us that: you were a Nice…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 02:41 PM
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Sandman's belief that "not getting as much sex as I want" is abuse is absolutely relevant. It is indicative of the redpill mentality where "not being given what I want" = "Help help I'm being oppressed!". And that does a lot to explain your question in the OP. TBP isn't filled with hate, because we don't hate you. We think you're wrong, we think you're being taught to be abusive, and we feel bad for you. I genuinely feel pity that you've let yourself get so twisted up that you feel like any crit…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 02:36 PM
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Responding to your edit: Nah, I wasn't a "NiceGuy (TM)". There are so few "NiceGuys (TM) that I've never met one in real life. My sides! Do you understand how being a Nice Guytm might have made it difficult for you to understand that your behavior was problematic and not-universal? Everyone always feels like it's other people who are Nice Guystm , never them. Just like hipsters always feel like it's other people who are hipsters, never themselves. To everyone around you, you were a Nice Guytm . …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 02:27 PM
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Sick burn, brah!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 02:18 PM
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Nah brah. You used to be a pre-twerp, aka "A Nice Guytm ". You were never a feminist or a healthy person. So you can't just look at yourself before your conversion to TRP and draw conclusions about everyone who isn't in TRP. That kind of over-categorical thinking is what gets you twerps in trouble in the first place. Do you feel like everyone outside the cult is the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 02:15 PM
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This study was about science (or as you called it: "poisoned by librul monies"). There are real problems with the reward structures in academia, very true. These problems are not unique to psychology though, and do not constitute some special damning refutation of the social sciences. Do you feel like the acknowledgment that academia isn't perfect means that going by your feels is superior to an empirical approach to social science?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 02:13 PM
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You're getting long-winded and unfocused again, TGP. That's why I stopped talking with you last time. Please do try to reel it in, maybe cut some of the question-begging and irrelevant clauses? I've already pointed you towards a thread entitled "Rejoice when an MERP's marriage ends!". I would consider that hateful. Yes, I know you feel that that's hateful. But you haven't actually supported that assertion, you just pointed to it and said "but I feeeeel like that's hate!". Assertions require a bi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 02:09 PM
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Does it ever concern you that you never need to have a conversation with bloopers/feminists/manginas/everyone-outside-the-cult in order to know exactly what they think, feel, and want?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 02:03 PM
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Do you feel like other people's unhappiness justifies your misbehaving? You've asserted before that you suffered, that you were a victim of not getting as much sex as you wanted. But you've never shared your own story; you've always linked me to what you assert are very-sad stories about other people. I wouldn't really know, since ever since you linked that 7,000 word essay at me, I've made it a matter of principle not to take on your reading assignments. But you always say: "My poor behavior is…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 01:45 PM
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one might consider that men have had to contend with over a half-century of unmitigated hatred from feminism. One could contend that, if ones information about society and feminism came entirely from MRA blogs. Let's do a quick test, shall we? I'm a feminist. Does that mean I hate men? The way the blue pillers present their arguments, they make it seem like red pill "hatred" just popped out of nowhere. Nah, we're pretty up-front about where TRP's hatred comes from. Entitled boys feeling sad beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 01:40 PM
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In saying "TBP is not filled with hate" you are the first bloop here to even make an attempt at answering it, Most people don't care to dignify such blatant question-begging with a response. It was only when I realized that you genuinely felt that our not wanting to take obvious bait meant that we agreed with its premises that I stooped to actually addressing it. Now that it's addressed, perhaps we can move on? So, you are maintaining that there has never been any hate towards red pill displayed…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 01:33 PM
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I made it clear last time: I'm not interested in being tasked with reading assignments. If you have something that you feel is worth saying to me, say it yourself. And please do try to be succinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 01:24 PM
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It isn't filled with hate. The only way you could reasonably answer my question was to repudiate its premises; you could not answer the question within the context of the question itself, because it would have been dishonest to do so. Can you understand the parallels between what you just did with my question, and what we're doing with OP's question?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 01:19 PM
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I think you just answered my question. Do you feel like your not having gotten as many dates as you wanted means you were abused?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 01:16 PM
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Sigh. His question is "How can you say that it isn't hateful when it is hateful?". There is only one reasonable response to such blatant question-begging: Have you stopped beating your wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 01:15 PM
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"laughing" =/= "hate" There you go. /thread
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 01:03 PM
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Aren't you the guy who seriously tried to argue that "people wouldn't date me in high school" meant you had experienced real suffering and been abused?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 12:48 PM
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What was the point of this post? If you genuinely feel that "I see more hate on the Blue Pill sub in a 10 minute browse than I do in an entire day on the Red Pill", then you genuinely feel that daily posts about how women are subhuman, how they are incapable of thought, love, or loyalty, how they're all dirty sloots, etc....that all that is somehow not hateful, but that laughing at TRP for saying all that is hateful. Ok, you're welcome to feel whatever it is you wish to feel. But why do you expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 12:23 PM
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Hey, this conversation stuck with you! And it bothered you enough that you either spoke with someone about it, or did some Google-fu to try to prove the mean ol' femnazi wrong. Good! Unfortunately if your approach was Google-fu, you still need to work on it a bit. Literally two minutes of searching produced a recent article explaining that the reproducibility problem isn't just in psychology, with links to a less recent article examining the flawed incentive systems in professional science which…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 11:53 AM
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And let me guess: the very next time that the daily TRP circlejerk starts about how nobody can ever argue logically with you, you'll hamster away this conversation and chant along with the rest: neither on PPD or anywhere else for that matter do you ever see a logical refutation of RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/15 04:13 PM
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What a lazy cop-out. Is running away from conversations when they start proving you wrong what you meant by "holding frame"?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/15 04:01 PM
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Yup! Did you? While we technically have sexual dimorphism in the sense that all gendered species have sexual dimorphism, it's very slight. See below: modern day Homo sapiens show a relatively narrow range of sexual dimorphism, with average body mass difference between the sexes being roughly equal to 15% (compared to most primates and anthropoids, ranging 50-55%). There is a lot of controversy regarding what, if anything, this dimorphism may mean. This means that evo psych doesn't support TRP; i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/15 03:47 PM
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Lo and behold. Not "low" and behold. And, yes, you copy/pasted another thing you didn't read or understand. Was there a point to doing so?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/15 03:28 PM
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Oh hey, you read a thing! Pity you were just scanning for keywords instead of thinking about what you were reading. The word "significant" in that sentence contained a useful link you might want to read. In this context "significant" doesn't mean "very", it means "with observably different averages, but with variation within each category". So, y'know, the opposite of the absolute generalizations your cult promotes. The rest is about how hormones affect brain development, it doesn't make the (de…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/15 02:45 PM
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Do you think TRP is "separated from reality"? If so, why? Yes, duh. The answer to that question is pretty long. It all boils down to TRP not having a good methodology for determining what is true. TRP is founded on a poor understanding of epistemology, and on judging what is realz by what best suits their feelz. TRP makes a lot of truth claims. Claims about gendered attributes, claims about how society works, claims about what social strategies are successful, claims about evolutionary psycholog…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/15 01:55 PM
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It all gets a bit samey, tbh. TRP is so relentlessly and monotonously awful that after a while, the content on TBP all starts to blur together. I do wish that people would be nicer to the visiting TRP evangelists. A lot of them are reaching out, in their own muddled brain-washed way, for a differing viewpoint and maybe for a route out from TRP. I get that TBP isn't "about" helping, and there's no obligation to take the time it'd take to explain Social Interaction 101 to the TRP evangelists, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/15 01:45 PM
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No, you're not Cis. You're interested in annoying people with cries of "SOURCE????????????", then nit-picking everything provided as "not really abusive" and insulting the people providing examples for being overly-sensitive manginas. It's adorable in a "babby's first twolling" sort of way, but it's not a very effective approach when you're a prolific enough poster for all of the PPD regulars to have personally seen you being abusive before. Honestly, I'd suggest you go the GLO route and just ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/15 01:40 PM
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Being so quick to use categorical thinking that he's unable to accept that people might transcend their background or the traits of the category he's assigned them to. /u/exit_sandman just illustrated the central flaw of TRP in a nutshell.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/15 01:33 PM
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The word "feminism" has all but lost all of its meaning. What do you feel like the word "feminism" meant, or is supposed to mean? Hormones are real. Yup, and they're expressed by both genders. Sexual dimorphism is real. In humans? Not really. Please look at the examples of dimorphism presented. Then look at human beings. Do we look like a sexually dimorphic species? Evolutionary psychology is real. Yup! Just like sociology. And just like sociology, it contradicts TRP's belief system. Odd that yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/15 12:21 PM
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Just because you can push past its LMR, doesn't mean it's consenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 08:10 PM
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They aren't interested in attracting members. Oh yes they are. New members out proselytizing in /r/foreveralone, /r/deadbedrooms, etc get cross-posted to TBP pretty regularly. Hell, you tried to preach to me at the beginning of this conversation, about how if I "studied frame" then "everything will make sense", remember? They aren't interested in convincing you. Now that part is true. I'm a happily poly feminist man who hasn't had a dry spell since he was 16. I'm not recruitment material, I'm ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 08:08 PM
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U R RELIGIOUS BECUZ U DONT LIEK MY RELIGION!!1 ...basically that. But with more thesaurus-abuse, if I know /u/cyralea.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 08:02 PM
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You're suggesting TRP spend time and money proving itself to doubters? Why exactly? Yeah, why should people ever work to support their claims? It's so much easier to just pull in gullible people! TRP claims to be "empirical", remember? You don't believe in your innate superiority because it feels nice, you believe in it because it's just the truth! Except...the best method we have for determining what is and isn't true is to test it using the scientific method. Why do you expect to be taken seri…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 07:54 PM
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What you aren't grasping regarding social science is that by definition these things must be funded by someone. Knowing that, and also appreciating the coercive effect money has on everything it touches, we can postulate that these studies are tainted by private money and agenda driven results. Which is why I suggest that the followers of TRP crowd-fund their own studies. It wouldn't cost much to do, if paired with some transparent and rigorous methodology it'd do a lot to support their claims, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 07:34 PM
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In fact, anecdotal evidence is the only evidence you, I, or anyone else, could use to understand someone's nature (personality, tendencies, etc.). Is this also flawed? Are you trying to argue that since anecdotal evidence is adequate for forming specific beliefs, it must therefore also be adequate for justifying universal beliefs? Do you understand the difference between "specific" and "universal" claims, and the differing standards of evidence required to support them? So you're suggesting the …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 07:08 PM
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Is it your opinion that anecdotal evidence is not evidence? Anecdotal evidence is too weak to draw broad generalizations with anything like certainty. That's why we have the scientific method, and double-blind studies. Are you familiar with scientific method? Yup. How about trial and error? As a method for learning a skill. Do you believe that "trial and error" is a way in which one can achieve epistemological certainty? Do you believe scientific results can be flawed? I'm not sure how you mean …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 06:37 PM
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I don't need to be an authority figure. I want to be an authority figure. Do you feel like being an authority figure is the only way you can get respect? How about you link me to your "best" comment. I'd love to read it. Sure, this is nice and recent. You'll understand if I don't feel like investing more effort into educating you than you're willing to invest into educating yourself, so if you're curious about anything else, you're free to search further on your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 06:18 PM
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Sigh....it's depressing how lazy you're being right now. I put in the time and effort to read your sidebar. I wasn't convinced (so clearly I "don't understand TRP"), but I know what it says. You glanced at "a few" of my comments, before dismissing them all. In your next conversation, you will probably say and do the same things you've said and done here: "nobody has ever presented rational arguments against TRP", and you'll dismiss anyone doing so as disrespectful. I suppose this is a reminder o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 05:54 PM
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[My cult thing] is not about imposing a narrative. Its much bigger than that and it transcends the spoken word. Its an aura or presence. ...alright brah. Do you understand how this reads to anyone outside of TRP? Do you feel like mysticism is required in order to fully understand the inner mysteries of TRP? TRP applies this concept to your dating life. That's a nice vague word, "applies". TRP "applies" the belief that any interaction has a dominant frame that all others involved must buy into to…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 05:39 PM
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Holding frame is certainly not gas-lighting. Its really just about staying true to yourself and not bending to other people. In a sense its a gas-lighting defense. Kinda like how pre-emptive strikes are just a form of self-defense, right? Seeking to impose your own narrative on others is not self-defense. A thing you do to another person is offensive, not defensive. The alternative is my snark in the previous paragraph: the idea you just endorsed, that gaslighting others isn't actually gaslighti…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 05:06 PM
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Rather, I merely suggested a good starting point for understanding TRP. I already understand TRP. I've read a fair chunk of the sidebar, I know the lingo, I understand the concepts. It's a modern, non-theistic cult. Fascinating in its way, but hardly that complicated or hard to understand. So, thanks for trying to teach me about your cult? But I already have a handle on it. I would go far as to say that one cannot blend into a social setting without having a basic, internalized concept of what i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 04:31 PM
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I didn't know explaining an ideology was tantamount to "proselytizing". Giving people unsolicited advice about how to live their life in accordance with TRP tenets? Yeah, that's definitionally proselytizing. Why did you think that the best response to "TRP is laughable" was "this is how you can implement TRP in your life!"? Are you afraid of what you might learn? Oh dear. Do you believe that it's possible for someone to understand TRP, and disagree with it? Or can negative reactions to TRP only …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 03:57 PM
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they don't understand the levels of importance when it comes to RP and understanding things from an RP lens. That doesn't mean anything. You just wrote words without having an idea to convey. start by understanding what frame is and how it effects power dynamics. Once you have that down you'll understand everything else. I'm a little confused. Why are you proselytizing right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 03:38 PM
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neither on PPD or anywhere else for that matter do you ever see a logical refutation of RP. Maybe try reading the comments by the people with blue flair, then? There are plenty of logical refutations of TRP on here. Hell, I've provided a few if you care to look through my comment history. After a while, one learns that trying to reason with zealots is a waste of time, and we move on to just laughing and shaking our heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 03:33 PM
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Ugh, no. I love sleeping with slutty people. They know what they want, are comfortable with their bodies, and are typically enthusiastic both about getting off and about getting me off. Inexperience is a huge turnoff for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 07:05 PM
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It's not that common in the US either. I've never had a woman expect me to cover the whole meal when we eat together. I can't tell if TweRPs mostly target conservative women, or if they like to exaggerate the frequency of this sort of thing for effect. Either way, it doesn't match my experience in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 12:24 PM
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Do you feel that I need to seem likable to you specifically in order to make feminism look good?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 11:57 AM
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It assumes a lot of things. But one of the ubiquitous TRP assumptions is that all women, everywhere, have low financial status. Well, except for the ones that inherited money from men or cough "divorce-raped" a man for all his man-moneys.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 07:58 PM
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on programmes like Newsnight? Sure, I'd love to! Help me or a normal feminist get on there, and we'd be more than happy to debate the crazies. The reason why we're not on there isn't because we wouldn't love to debunk that nonsense. It's because the "feminists are crazy u guise" narrative entertains and pleases viewers a lot more than educating them about mainstream feminism would. So we're not invited onto those shows. Trust me bro. As annoying as it is for you to see crazy radfems on the air, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 05:06 PM
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How? How could we push back? That's not rhetorical btw. I am genuinely asking. I vote, including in state and local elections. Whenever I see someone saying something stupid, whether it's MRA whining or strawman-feminist nonsense, I call it out. Same with most other feminists I know. What else are we supposed to do? What else could we possibly do?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 05:02 PM
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As a humble member of the public - how am I to go on more than the public face? By talking to other humble members of the public? And by listening when they tell you what they do and do not support? Part of the reason why I'm even in this shithole of a "debate" sub is to be a public face for feminism. Undo some of the damage that the media's "crazy draws in more viewers" ethos does to the idea of gender equality. Yet you would not believe how frequently anti-feminists feel confident in correctin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 04:45 PM
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Sure, for the same reasons that there isn't a conflicting conservative voice in the mainstream press countering Trump. Crazy is far more entertaining (and gets you far more attention) than reasonable. Do you think that feminists get to control who gets on the news? We'd love to have non-crazy people be interviewed or discussed. There are certainly plenty of reasonable feminists to choose from. But news organizations consistently choose the craziest people and call them "feminists", and then we g…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 04:32 PM
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I was just trying to preempt the next hour or two of passive-aggressive sniping, brah. You know, push past all those feelz so we could get to the part of the conversation with some substance. So far, you haven't done much of anything to meet me halfway. Do you conduct all your conversations this way?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 04:16 PM
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A lot of TweRPs I've spoken with do seem to share that cognitive shortcoming. It's like...categorical thinking, but turned up to 11. Twerp simulation below: I fear and hate the thought of being cuckolded, and I am a man, therefore All men fear and hate the thought of being cuckolded. which leads to: "Studies show" that all men fear and hate the thought of being cuckolded, and that bloop is a man(gina), therefore That bloop will be offended if I call him a cuckold
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 04:05 PM
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Yes yes, I'm bad, dumb, beta, a cuck, etc etc. I'm sure you're almost as tired of repeating that monotonous list as I am of hearing it. It's much more interesting to try to figure out what exactly you thought you were doing by commenting in this thread. What was it you'd hoped to achieve?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 04:02 PM
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Not to mention their "I'm a precious snow flake and deserve to have a monogamous wife despite the fact that I expect her to be ok with me banging ladies on the side" phase. What's odd is that they'll try to embarrass openly non-monogamous guys with all this "cuck" nonsense. Do they think that everyone has their same fetishes hangups?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 03:31 PM
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Who argues best for your respective pill (not your self)? /u/TheChemist158, hands down. Who argues best from your opposing pill? They're all pretty bad, it's just different flavors of bad. I'm a big fan of /u/whisper personally, but more for his unintentional comedy than for his elocution. Nuetrals Eh, none of them really stand out to me. whos post do you follow? It's pretty random. I'll usually check out whatever post has an interesting title, whether or not the author is familiar. whos post do…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 03:24 PM
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Yeah, you'd be correct except that studies have shown the exact opposite of that to be true. Sauce?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 02:48 PM
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So you did not feel like a constructive conversation was even possible...and then went ahead and engaged in conversation anyway. Did you feel like you were adding value to the sub by muttering "bullshit"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 02:21 PM
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So do you feel that you contributed to the possibility of a constructive conversation by dropping your non sequitur, then repeating several times how you're "not playing"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 01:31 PM
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You wanted to just make your derailing statement, then walk away from the conversation? Do you feel that that's what "debate" is like?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 01:01 PM
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Oh ho! Do you feel that disliking their gender is the only reason a man might make fun of your MRA and TRP behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 12:43 PM
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Bruh. Calm down. Maybe go lift for a while, then come back to the conversation when you're done with the hissy fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 12:38 PM
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Now this is interesting! Do you feel that all non-monogamy is always "cucking", even if it's above-board and consensual?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 12:36 PM
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What I'm saying is that you and your ilk continuously misrepresenting TRP talking points Help me understand you here. Are you saying this to imply that the OP misrepresents TRP by mentioning their obsession with cucking? Or did you respond to OP with something completely off-topic which bears no relation to the topic of the thread we're in?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 12:33 PM
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used to be high-ranking feminists Do you believe that feminists have "ranks"? Are they on our secret membership cards to the FemParty? I was mocking you for sucking up to BP women with that insane "mansplaining" meme. Do you feel that the only reason a man might show amusement re: mansplaining is to impress women? A man? No, as I am definitely not one of those men. You? Possibly. Do you feel that most people born with penises aren't "men"? If so, do you understand how needlessly confusing it is …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 12:26 PM
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Oh hey, apparently someone's been downvoting your comments throughout this conversation. Just wanted to let you know that wasn't me, and to apologize-by-proxy for whoever's been doing it. I don't approve of downvoting on this subreddit, and I don't do it even to far greater assholes than you. If you aren't continually and actively aware of and mitigating for the unequal aspects of a relationship, you're leaving the door open for discord and resentment. Do we mean different things by this sentenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 12:12 PM
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Do you believe that the only reason a man might be a feminist is because he believes it'll give him more sex? And from that, slightly broader question: Do you believe that the only reason a man might do anything is because he believes it'll give him more sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 12:08 PM
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Because asking sandman not to take up half an hour of my time is clearly malicious and trolling. But Maoist-Pussy's literary masterpiece up there contributes to the conversation. Gotta love PPD!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 12:06 PM
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I didn't say that you said it was in the summary. You said it was in the paper. I'm asking you to back up that statement by saying where in the paper it was. Are you refusing to provide evidence to back up your claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 07:33 PM
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The executive summary doesn't say what you claim the paper said, because the paper doesn't say that. Like I said: you didn't read the paper written by feminists. Instead, you read an opinion piece on a conservative blog about that paper, and based on that blog post you feel qualified to tell people what feminists believe. You could easily prove me wrong. Please tell me on what page the feminists who published that study claimed that: women's lives are fraught with inequality which leads them to …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 07:27 PM
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Ugh.....fine. Whenever anyone says "relationships should be equal", just mentally insert an "approximately" in there. "Relationships should be equal" = "Relationships should be approximately equal". There, problem solved. That shouldn't have needed to be spelled out, but whatever, at least now you'll understand people when they talk to you. Saying that relationships should be "approximately equal" when A) they aren't and B) when they never will be is a problem. So with that (completely unnecessa…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 06:59 PM
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Because what people call "egalitarian relationships" aren't egalitarian, And the people we call white aren't white, and the things we call heavy aren't heavy, etc etc. So I'll repeat: bro, do you even language? How are you getting confused by the fact that language is symbolic and is only ever approximate? even by your own "common usage" defense. Hmm? What do you mean by this? Are you confident enough to claim that even according to the sane definition of "egalitarian", no egalitarian relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 06:12 PM
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Wait wait wait....wait. You ignore the Executive Summary of the paper in question. And instead, as a better source of what the paper whose Executive Summary you just ignored says...you provide a conservative blog post about that study. You remember the parent comment where I mentioned that this isn't what feminists say, but rather what people who claim to be reporting on feminists like to claim that feminists say? Yeah. Thanks for the real-world example CWM.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 05:53 PM
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So as proof of "this is what feminists actually believe" you provide....a statistical analysis of long-term wages for male and female college graduates? From the paper itself: What can be done about the pay gap? To begin with, we must publicly recognize it as a problem. Too often, both women and men dismiss the pay gap as simply a matter of different choices. But even women who make the same educational and occupational choices that men make do not typically end up with the same earnings. This i…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 05:41 PM
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This reads like an evasion to me. You claimed that no egalitarian relationships exist. I explained some basic theory of language, explained the meaning of the word "egalitarian", and showed how egalitarian relationships are actually super commonplace to normal people yet you'd deny they exist at all. And from you...nothing. No acknowledgment of that at all. Why do I get the feeling that the very next time you jump in to defend a poor hapless redpiller, you're going to say the exact same things a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 05:15 PM
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Egalitarian means "equal", right? Something that's not "completely, perfectly equal" isn't equal, right? ...bro. Do you even language? Words are all approximate. When I say that something is "blue" I mean that its color is close to the archetype of blue, not that it is exactly #0000FF. When I say that someone's decision is "fair" I mean that it gives everyone involved a loss or advantage reasonably close to what they deserved in the situation, not that it was exactly what they deserved (which wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 05:04 PM
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And Red Pill is that way: <-------- Yet here you are, acting as if it's reasonable to explain to someone that you know more about their past relationships than they do. You're outside the locker room, brah. Do try to keep that in mind next time.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 04:49 PM
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Whereas I see BPers arguing for the existence of egalitarian relationships all the time, as if it's a normal part of everyday experience. Ah, and you oh-so-cleverly omitted the "perfect"! Unfortunately for you, my feminism has given me super-powers, including decent reading comprehension. You define "egalitarian" as "has to be COMPLETELY PERFECT or it doesn't count", and are then upset when you don't see any relationships which you consider "egalitarian". Most normal people define "egalitarian" …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 04:46 PM
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frame holding intensifies
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 04:40 PM
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has never, ever seen any human relationship (romantic or otherwise) that qualifies as having achieved such a perfect balance of power and characteristics such that it could be considered "egalitarian." If you define "egalitarian" as "literally perfect balance of power", why are you then surprised when you don't witness perfection? Saying "I don't see perfectly egalitarian relationships therefore there's no such thing as an egalitarian relationship" is like saying "I don't see perfect alphas ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 04:39 PM
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Hey, a lot of women go through that phase! There's no shame in it...though she might feel some when she looks back on the people she was trying to ingratiate herself to.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 04:29 PM
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I do! And I'm a man, so I automatically know what I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 04:19 PM
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It doesn't matter what you and most of your feminist friends care about. What matters is what feminists post about You don't think we typically post about what we care about? most of it is as u/copperfox3c states. Odd. I have a facebook feed full of feminists, and I don't see any of that. But occasionally I'll see reports of "feminists believe this!" posted by an antifeminist. So you'll have to forgive me if I take feminists' reports of what they believe as more credible than anti-feminists' rep…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 04:16 PM
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It's kind of amazing. I mean, he's so confident in his cult "sexual strategy" that he feels comfortable correcting you about your own life experiences. On an unrelated note, did you know that there's no such thing as mansplaining?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 04:11 PM
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Because AWALT, so /u/SerpOfZerk already knows more about /u/belletaco's relationships than she does. He doesn't have to ever interact with someone in order to know them better than they know themselves! Isn't gender essentialism wonderful?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 04:03 PM
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And already down from "a lot of" to "some".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 03:57 PM
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Have you seen feminists post anything about that? Or has it all been anti-feminists informing you of what feminists believe? Would it surprise you to learn that I (and most of my feminist friends) don't care about marriage, don't want to get married, and don't expect or want you to get married if that's not what you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 03:57 PM
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will marriage as a whole start slowly disappearing and be replaced by other family forms ? Yup. Already happening. /thread
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 03:54 PM
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You'll notice that the comments are going to be a lot of redpillers agreeing with you that le femnazis are evil and disrespect women, and a lot of feminists disagreeing that they say that, do that, or think that. Have you heard these positions from people who self-identify as feminists? Or are they all from people warning you that "this is totally what feminists actually believe"?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 03:53 PM
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It's hard to fully let go of a belief in the inherent goodness of human beings, even after having encountered TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/15 07:22 PM
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I think you're a coward who hides behind the thin veil of sarcasm, because it's easier to make fun of others than it is to provide something of substance that contributes to a discussion. If you did that, you might actually be proven wrong and be forced to evaluate your own position, rather than relying on smug ideological assertion and moral masturbation. You aren't secure enough for that. And again: Bruh. Not cool. It doesn't matter who I am, or what qualities you imagine you see in me. That's…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/15 06:32 PM
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I'm starting to suspect you're cognitively challenged. Bruh. Not cool. Anyway, I'm wondering why you think I'm going to be interested in keeping this game going. You do a couple google searches, skim titles and opening sentences, and copy/paste the resulting links. I skim the titles, opening sentences, and some of the body of your links, realize you didn't skim far enough, and make fun of you for misunderstanding the content of what you linked. You get defensive and spam more google searches. Ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/15 11:54 AM
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Oh man, so many links! That must mean you have a lot of evidence to support your beliefs! I'll just read them real quick to make sure you didn't just spam google searches and copy/paste the results without having done more than skimmed them yourself. First link: an interesting critique, but hardly damning. I'd rather not get into a lengthy discussion of why I found that review unconvincing, but I'm wondering if you actually read the whole thing. Second link: oh man, someone is pih-issed! Third, …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 02:03 PM
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Yup! Or, what, do you expect me to just take your word for it that you did that and got that response? That wouldn't be very STEM of me... ninja edit: got pronouns mixed up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 08:11 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 08:08 PM
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I don't think that people would have a problem with that, as long as you explained that it was for the reason listed above and not because "dam dem dirty sloots". Given that most of your comments that I see around here are pointless shit-stirring, why not go ahead and try that? Test one of your assertions...you know, just for a change of pace.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 08:00 PM
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Cool! I'll get started on my popcorn.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 07:15 PM
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Evo psych is used a lot in TRP And that's where you lost me. A poor understanding of evo psych is used a lot in TRP. Even a quick look at what evo psych actually is show that the TRP "biotoofs" version doesn't actually follow from what we know of this field. Just because followers of TRP repeat a thing endlessly, doesn't mean TRP is actually compatible with that thing. See: "But TRP is empirical!". TRP isn't based on evo psych at all. So, my alternative explanation to TRP's caricature of evo psy…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 07:05 PM
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Alright, but it does also reflect the common usage of a word. Or hell, if you're curious, ask here on PPD: "Is it bad to be a SJW?".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 06:32 PM
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Um. It's certainly not used as a term of endearment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 06:23 PM
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Huh. Using it that way seems similar to trying to appropriate "commie-sympathizer" as a positive term. Props for trying, but somehow I doubt you're going to change the common usage and associations that term is intended to convey.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 05:58 PM
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SJW I'm sorry, I have a hard time taking people seriously when they use that term.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 05:49 PM
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it would raise eyebrows if I did say I would never get with a single mother and it is a nasty, unnecessary thing to say, Would it? And is it? Though people might wish that you felt differently, you feel what you feel. If you've realized that you could never love a kid which didn't share your genes in the same way you'd love a kid which did share your genes, then that's just how you are and it'd be silly to try to ignore it or pretend you felt differently. Better an absent father figure than an u…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 05:39 PM
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So then this whole post was based on a misunderstanding, apparently. I can't speak for other bluepill folks, but I absolutely don't think you have some moral requirement to raise other people's kids. The other bluepill people in here seem to be saying the same thing: either date a single mom and raise her kids as your own, or don't date her and don't raise them, they're both equally valid choices. So, ignoring all the usual redpill rabble about "le feminists are hitler!" and "le femnazis want yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 05:27 PM
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Eh, bored now. If you're incapable of understanding the definition of "confirmation bias", that's fine. And if you're really willing to dismiss Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey, the two single best-known romance stories of our generation, as "an example or two of anything", then you're too caught up in being right to be worth debating anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 11:43 AM
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Hey /u/DevlishRogue, have you stopped beating your wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 08:05 PM
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It'd also be good to not be a rapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 08:03 PM
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Because she doesn't want to pretend not to be an adult?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 08:03 PM
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Bwahaha! Does that mean that TRP, seeing as they're all paranoid about their "opsec" and hiding their identities from people...does that mean they're super attractive?! Oh man, that's pretty great.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 07:30 PM
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Yup. That's why when a woman commits a crime, they arrest her husband instead! Quick question: is it core to your self-image to feel like society is persecuting you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 07:13 PM
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all you do is make claims and insult people "Hey, kettle? This is pot. Oh, by the way, you're black!" Look around TRP brah. Let me know if you see anything beside unsupported (and unfalsifiable) claims and insulting people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 06:43 PM
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Never change, PPD. A "debate" sub, indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 06:30 PM
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aka: Highlander Penis Syndrome. A lot of poly people like to laugh at the wanna-be harem-owners who try out this sort of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 06:11 PM
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Society expects men to have nearly the sole responsibility in the relationship Except it doesn't. Rather than trying to convince yourself of this, why not just not do this thing that nobody wants you to do or is trying to make you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 06:09 PM
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Let's ask Wikipedia real quick: Third-wave feminism (also known as Neo-Feminism)[1] refers to several diverse strains of feminist activity and study, whose exact boundaries in the history of feminism are a subject of debate, but are generally marked as beginning in the early 1990s and continuing to the present. The movement arose partially as a response to the perceived failures of and backlash against initiatives and movements created by second-wave feminism during the 1960s, '70s, and '80s, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 05:27 PM
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If you want the liberal perspective, you might want to ask this on /r/thebluepill or /r/feminism. All you're going to get here is the usual TRP echo chamber about how feminists are literally hitler and it's about enslaving men yadda yadda. I guess what I'm saying is: your title should've been "What is TRP's opinion of feminism?". Since that's what you're going to actually get here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 04:38 PM
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It's odd how how similar people in cults sound at the end of each discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 04:32 PM
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Uh, no. I'm saying that reality doesn't match TRP's fanfiction. And that's why I know it's fiction. I literally quoted the question I was answering right above my answer. How was that confusing to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 04:19 PM
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Given that TRP seems to generally define "cuck" as "any other man has touched your property wimmin, ever"...no, probably not. Is it possible to swing or have an open relationship as a man dating a woman and get laid more than your partner? Sure! Just takes being more social than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 03:55 PM
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27, male, IT, solo poly, blue2
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 12:35 PM
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Explain how these phrases aren't essentially the same thing. It looks like you're noting a distinction without a difference. Ok. You seem to believe that confirmation bias means "I see 10% of the data supports my theory, but then after a while when I look back on it, I remember 60% of the data supporting my theory". This requires that some minimum amount of the data actually supports your theory. "Confirmation bias" actually means: "0% of the data reasonably supports your theory, but since you'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 11:58 AM
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what basis do you have to say that this is all fiction? Uh, that I've actually met and interacted with women? That I've had enough sex to know that "just ram it in and pound dat cervix brah!" is awful advice which doesn't feel good for anyone? That I'm aware that porn is a fantasy, and not a documentary of how female bodies and female sexuality actually work? Pick one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 11:49 AM
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Confirmation bias only comes into play if there's a significant amount of data that matches what you already believe, though. That's not actually how confirmation bias works though. From a quick google search, Confirmation Bias: "In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias (or confirmatory bias) is a tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions, leading to statistical errors." What this means in effect isn't "you overestimate the prevalen…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 06:30 PM
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I would rather just deal with truth and accuracy, backed up by provable, tangible facts and evidence. And do you believe that TRP's claims about gender essentialism, women being incapable of higher cognition, etc are backed by tangible facts and evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 06:19 PM
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So the women were saying that as their status increased their pool of acceptable partners decreased. How else would you explain that, other than women deeming men of lower status as unacceptable? The women were saying that as they advanced in their medical careers, their pool of acceptable partners decreased. Somewhat different from saying "status". If you're looking to test "status" without the complicating factors of "career advancement" and "ungodly levels of stress from becoming a doctor", w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 05:37 PM
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And I would say that obvious troll is obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 05:32 PM
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For you to believe these ideas you must believe that all Red Pillers hardly ever interact with women. That's a hell of a leap you just made. Do you feel that that conclusion follows from that premise? If they interacted with women regularly they'd be regularly testing their claims against reality. Do you feel that personal experience is enough to justify universal, gender-essentialist claims? So you believe almost no one on TRP ever actually talks to women, then? Eh. Some of the people writing e…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 05:30 PM
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I believe that TRP's truth claims are overwhelmingly made based on hurt feelings instead of on reality. I believe that TRP doesn't test their claims against anything except their feels, and that they respond poorly when it is suggested they actually test what they feel must be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 05:04 PM
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If your "empirical" theory is unfalsifiable, then it's not actually empirical. What observation or set of observations could disprove hypergamy for you? Is it something you just know is already true?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 04:59 PM
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Yup, welcome to PPD. But hell, it helps pass the time. Just make sure to keep your expectations low and you won't be disappointed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 04:24 PM
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If that's true, then why are some people so certain that TRP won't work or won't bring happiness? Because: But most men don't fit into what TRP says they should naturally be, most women don't fit into what TRP says they secretly are, and thus most men trying to follow TRP are going to be made less happy by doing so. A "sexual strategy" which is built on an inaccurate assessment of reality is unlikely to be successful for most of the people using it. I'd rather deal with harsh, bleak truths Do yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 03:29 PM
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It's hard to deny that women are not attracted to that archetype though. Assuming you meant that it's hard to deny that women are attracted to the archetype...that's not actually hard to deny at all. Hell, I'm denying it right now. Some women are attracted to the frat boy archetype. Just like some men are. That doesn't mean that "women" in general like frat boys, just like it doesn't mean that "men" in general like frat boys. My romantic partners tend not to like the frat boy type, which is why …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 03:26 PM
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What does the red pill say men should naturally be, and why don't they fit into it? TRP says men are naturally doms, naturally competitive, naturally motivated primarily by sex, etc. Why don't most men fit into this mold? Because it's based on old stereotypes, seemingly drawn from movies about college life and frat boys. Plenty of men are asexual or not very sexual, plenty of men are naturally submissive, plenty of men are indifferent or adverse to competition, etc. Please, before the inevitable…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 02:28 PM
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A lot of men on TRP have said that it's helped them plate 15 HB9.8's while also leading them to rise to the top of their field and also their name is Albert Einstein. Given that most of the erotica field reports in there are clearly fictional, and that a lot of the men saying that TRP has helped them become their inner sex god are the same guys writing these fictional field reports, it's hard to judge how many men have actually become happier as a result of embracing abuse "swallowing the red pi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 01:57 PM
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You're deflecting my questions brah. I'm not interested in having a conversation where you're too busy holding frame to answer simple and direct questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 01:09 PM
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How much of the population do you think must be mentally ill, given that they think the things you like are harmful?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 12:59 PM
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I didn't ask if you minded people having a negative opinion of it. I asked if you thought that it is necessary to be mentally ill to think that TRP is harmful or hateful. Your evasiveness in answering such a simple question seems like an answer in itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 12:51 PM
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So is that a yes? You do believe that everyone who has a negative opinion of TRP must be mentally ill to have that opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 12:44 PM
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Do you believe that everyone who thinks poorly of TRP is suffering from mental illness?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 12:36 PM
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Are you capable of understanding that some people when reading TRP see something other than "a few guys getting laid"? Sure, rape and abuse have existed throughout a lot of human history. But most of the people who perpetrated all that are dead now. It's a bit of a shock seeing a community of people living in rich countries in 2015 openly talking about how great rape and systematic emotional abuse are.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 12:18 PM
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A twerp in that thread expressed the same thing. It's weird. We tell followers of TRP all the time how unspeakably vile their rape cult is to normal people. A lot of people are very explicit about how they feel physical nausea sometimes when reading some of the things that people write and claim to have done at TRP. But then someone takes the step from "reading about redpill makes me feel sick" to "I don't want this negativity in my life, I'm going to stop reading about redpill" and it's unbelie…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 11:56 AM
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Actually you'd get instantly banned, your comments removed, and a smug PM from a mod about how you suck. Never change, TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 11:51 AM
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This question assumes that TRP has utility for men. That it does "help men lead happier more fulfilling lives". Asking TBP a question which assumes TRP helps men is like asking TRP a question which assumes feminism isn't an evil global conspiracy. The premises of your question and of the people you're asking are too incompatible for meaningful answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 11:46 AM
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The majority of people who post in the comment section of TRP are in the anger stage, I don't consider them to be TRP. So the majority of the TRP community isn't TRP? Um, ok. I hope you won't be surprised if the rest of us do take the behavior of 90% of the followers of TRP as reflective on the teachings and values of the TRP community. Whether or not that reflects on the scripture of TRP is probably a conversation for another day. Whatever the contents of their scripture, the actual people who …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 02:42 PM
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I don't recall seeing TRP using violence or threats to push past LMR, Hang out in TBP sometime! We regularly link posts and comments on TRP talking about using physical intimidation, threats, etc to coerce women into sex blow past that LMR. I could be wrong though as I only read the sidebar and a few top threads, I don't judge TRP by the comment section and I don't read the comment section for the same reason I don't judge feminism on the radfems I'm a little confused by this comparison. You don…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 02:07 PM
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Well, good luck finding one. Things do get better! Let me know by PM if you ever want to talk more in-depth about things in a less confrontational setting than PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 01:55 PM
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Do you believe that most members of TRP are victims of sexual abuse? Or are you holding yourself up as representative of them despite knowing you're an outlier? That aside, I'm sorry to hear that you were abused and that you felt unsafe coming forward about that abuse. Are you now receiving the help you need for that issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 01:28 PM
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Teaching people to "push past LMR" is teaching them to rape. If someone is saying "no", that means no, even if you think she actually does want it. Teaching men "don't listen to what women say, they don't know what they want" is teaching men to ignore consent and to minimize its importance. That's teaching them to rape. There's a lot in TRP that is pretty blatantly rape-y. And that's not even getting into all the emotionally abusive stuff; I felt that it'd just complicate my point to say "rape a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 01:24 PM
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a guy who's been raped/sexually abused by women When did we start talking about a guy who's been raped/sexually abused by women? I thought we were talking about followers of TRP. Their sob stories are usually along the lines of "I wanted a girlfriend but didn't have one".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 01:21 PM
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Well, partly it's just that I enjoy arguing about things I care about, and even if it frequently feels like punching down a bit it still is enjoyable to argue with TRP folks about why what they advocate is rape and why rape is bad even if you don't think you'll be punished for it. But tbh, mostly laughing in TBP and arguing in PPD are enjoyable for me because they feel like a legitimate outlet for aggression. I'm constantly trying to be a good person in my life. I try to help people, listen to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 01:13 PM
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They wrote an entire book about pre-agricultural human sexuality and what we can infer about it. You're free to try to refute the conclusions they come to by arguing the specific points they make, but saying "Well of course they'd say that, they're poly!" is just poisoning the well. It's an attempt to preemptively end a conversation by attacking the person arguing instead of their argument, and that's something I'd have thought would be beneath a noble philosopher-king like yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 01:05 PM
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a BP man wouldn't continue to post or obsess over someone else's belief because if it i clearly bullshit than those lunatics aren't threatening to him in a competitive way. Do you believe that the only motivation a man might have to hang out in TBP is self-interest? I'm a feminist man. I don't think that TRP is going to take my wimmins, I don't think TRP works as a rape sexual strategy, I don't think that the worshippers of TRP are any more romantically successful than I am. Yet I hang out in TB…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 01:01 PM
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Sacred_moose_knuckle: "So you're saying men didn't care about the paternity of their children until society stepped in?" Quantumtrollening: "Yup, here's an analysis that supports that claim" Exit_Sandman: "That analysis was made by a polyamorist, they have an agenda!" That's a textbook example of poisoning the well.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 12:56 PM
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If we consider TRP originally a bunch of men whom were treated poorly by women, be it through a bad marriage, a bad mother, being manipulated by a woman, being misled, and hurt by a woman, There, that's the assumption where everything falls apart. TBP doesn't consider TRP to be poor oppressed victims. TBP considers TRP to be abusers and rapists. Once you realize that we really do think TRP are despicable human beings, everything else falls into place.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 12:50 PM
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Bwahaha, /r/badphilosophy is "bloops" to you now? I guess anyone who knows philosophy and is willing to laugh at TRP's pretensions to being philosopher-kings would definitionally be bloops, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 12:17 PM
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Oh, seems it's that time of the week again. I'll just go ahead and answer all these questions for the umptillion time. Why is it not okay for us to slut-shame, but perfectly fine for you to virgin-shame? It's not, and we don't. Frequently members of TRP will claim vast experience while saying things that demonstrate they actually have no experience. Then over at TBP we laugh at them lying about their inexperience. What's funny isn't their inexperience, it's that they're insecure enough to make u…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 12:11 PM
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No, it doesn't "advocate rape", it advocates rape. There's no need for quotes, because this isn't hyperbole, isn't exaggeration, isn't metaphor or whatever. TRP straight up advocates ignoring when women say "no" during sexual encounters. That's rape. It's not a complicated concept, no matter how much TRP tries to pretend it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 11:58 AM
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Poisoning the well.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 11:57 AM
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Props for admitting to skimming.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 08:10 PM
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Sure, but most people on the internet don't advocate rape. TRP does. It makes it a bit harder to just ignore them when they're being silly with their claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 08:03 PM
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Yeah, I have. Again: That's confusing the social establishment of "academia", with the epistemological practice of "science". You don't need anyone's permission to do science.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 08:01 PM
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I'm not /u/postnationalism, but yeah, that is a reasonable thing to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 07:19 PM
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I dunno. Sociology was pretty far from my field of study. If hypergamy is a high-level and complex enough claim that it can't be supported, that's also ok. There are plenty of beliefs people have which are difficult or impossible to test. The difference being, TRP claims it's all empirical. It claims all its theory has been extensively tested and found to be true. For some parts of its theory, that claim can't reasonably be made because no rigorous testing has been done. For other parts of the t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 07:12 PM
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TRP does not officially endorse criminal activity. It just endorses people who endorse criminal activity. And the community as a whole only applauds comments and posts which endorse criminal activity. That's totally different!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 06:53 PM
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Well the reality of AWALT is that we'd say only, say 30% of women would marry a man who makes less than them, imo. That seems kind of like hedging, doesn't it? As far as I know, "all" isn't usually used to mean "slightly less than three fourths". But ok. Whatever the prediction, in order to claim to be ~empirical~ and ~logical~, TRP has to actually follow the rules of scientific inquiry. It isn't enough to just use those words; it takes more than saying TRP is empirical to actually make it empir…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 06:50 PM
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Well I'm inclined to agree, but has any scientist ever published data which can directly contradict it? Neither has any scientist ever published data which directly contradicted the existence of a small teacup in a stable orbit around the earth. That does not mean that it's reasonable to believe in the existence of such a teacup. This is exactly what I meant. Followers of TRP are making positive factual claims. They are saying "Things are this way" and "This approach works". That means that in o…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 06:20 PM
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A poor understanding of epistemology. Expanding on that a little bit, being very unclear on what science is, how statistics work, and what constitutes "evidence" in support of a statement. Making the mistake of thinking that just because a premise is intuitively appealing, that means it's right and has been supported by evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 05:56 PM
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That question doesn't mean anything. Here, I'll give you an equivalent one: Epistemology. What does it depend on? What is your goal in asking a deliberately meaningless non-question?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 05:27 PM
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Which conceptual horse do you think supports gender equality? Keep in mind when answering that one group of people says "We support gender equality" and the other group of people say "My goals are to take every advantage I can".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 05:26 PM
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It depends. What do you think is accomplished by asking a "yes or no" question about a complex situation then crowing when the answer isn't "yes or no"?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 05:22 PM
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What do you mean, I sidestepped it? I answered the question. That's my answer. Like, the thing you hit "reply" to in order to claim I didn't answer it, that's what my answer was. Are you confused because the answer wasn't a simple "yes" or "no"?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 05:17 PM
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Because we see this shit every week on TRP lite PPD. It's repetitive, and confusing. Where did the idea that "bloopers want you to get married" come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 04:43 PM
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the difference is I don't wear any guise of fighting for equality. Is it possible that I sincerely do just want equality?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 04:42 PM
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So, help me be better. How are you working to improve equality when it comes to consent and gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 04:30 PM
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Now that's just unfair. I also shared a thing on facebook the other day.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 04:25 PM
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Oh, definitely. But hopefully the fact that the responses he got in here were different from what he was told to expect from the evil fembots will give him pause the next time he finds himself preaching about the evils of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 04:24 PM
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And my actions right now are about how consent should be treated equally for both genders. Maybe try to remember that the next time you find yourself about to preach that feminism is about female superiority.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 04:20 PM
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But feminism isn't about equality, it's about female superiority. Sigh. Look, you can't tell me what my values are. You just can't. It should go without saying that I, as a feminist, with feminist friends, feminist partners, and hanging out in feminist online communities, know more about feminism and what feminists want than you, as a redpiller, being spoon-fed only anti-feminist content would. That really shouldn't be a point I need to argue with you. This has been covered here time and again. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 04:16 PM
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For my own reference: would the Redpill advice here be to marry a bro to get that sweet, sweet marriage certificate?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 04:11 PM
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I know hundreds of sexually active non-feminist men Do you feel that a sample size of "hundreds" qualifies you to speak for the "typical sexually active non-feminist male"?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 04:04 PM
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Marriage certificate. You can't get that without a marriage. BOOM! /thread
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 04:02 PM
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Do you think other people have a responsibility to convince you to get married? Questions like OP's rest on this assumption that there is external pressure on men to get married. I can't speak for OP's family, but personally, I don't give a shit whether he gets married or not. I'm not interested in trying to convince him to get married. So if he doesn't want to get married, then he just shouldn't. It's confusing that followers of TRP think this is something people want to argue with them about, …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 04:00 PM
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So you believe that you're entitled to speak for the "typical sexually active non-feminist male experience"? What qualifies you to speak for other men you don't know?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:55 PM
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People who advocate breaking the law are not representative of TRP. Point blank. No true TeRPer?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:54 PM
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It's not rape if you own a woman are married!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:53 PM
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You claimed something "almost never" happens. Did you mean "it almost never happens for me"? Or were you making a claim about the typical male experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:48 PM
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So you can speak for 1 person? Congratulations. You get to be today's special snowflake. That still doesn't mean that you have any clue what would constitute a feminist man's "standard experience". But you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:47 PM
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I'm at least as qualified to speak for feminist men as you are. A bit more so, since I'm a feminist man and you're not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:42 PM
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There's a reason why I specified "casual" sex. The scenario where the "being intoxicated means you can't consent" thing is almost always applied to is parties, where dudes try to get strange ladies too drunk to say no. There's no prior history involved, so there's no reason to believe she would consent to sex sober, so it's pretty damn rapey to try to get her drunk enough to get her to say yes not-explicitly-say-no. Things are a bit different in an ongoing sexual relationship. If someone fucked …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:40 PM
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....he said, in response to the person who just explained how unequal treatment of the genders when it comes to consent is incompatible with feminism. If you think that teh wimmins have it too easy yadda yadda, fine, whatever. But at least on this issue, on the idea that consent is treated differently for men and for women, we agree. So instead of trying to shoehorn in how society is "feminized" or whatnot, let's just acknowledge that the current situation is incompatible with equality (which is…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:32 PM
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It's possible for two people to sleep together when neither could meaningfully consent, sure. The idea of one or both of them being "rapists" and "victims" gets complicated in instances like that, though intuitively it makes sense that if one of them entered or created the situation with the intent of getting laid, then they took advantage of the other person and they're more responsible for their behavior (since the planning and intent was present before they lost the ability to consent). A sim…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:30 PM
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So were you asking about what viewpoint on consent is compatible with feminism, or what society does? If the latter, do you think you're going to surprise anyone by pointing out that society is still insufficiently feminist?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 03:19 PM
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Do you believe that "almost never" is compatible with "happens all the time"? Can something "almost never" happen, but still be the standard experience for feminist men?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 02:57 PM
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"In the wild", as it were, that almost never happens. Except it happens all the time. Maybe it requires the woman to feel safe and comfortable, and that's why you personally never encounter it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 12:20 PM
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Yes. But who even still does that? My experience has always been either "I'll pay for me, you pay for you", or "I'll pay this time, you pay next time".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 12:15 PM
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This question is akin to asking: "Why is it that AWALT?". It assumes a redpill "truth" and then asks people, not whether TRP is correct, but to explain why it's correct. Both (or all) parties lack sexual agency when they're heavily intoxicated. That's because agency and consent are gender-blind, and what leaves a woman unable to consent, would also definitionally leave a man unable to consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 12:12 PM
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Hang out at TRP, hang out at TBP. It comes up regularly. Followers of TRP always get very huffy when we point out that it's rape, and always respond with something along the lines of "Clearly you don't understand TRP! We're not saying 'pork em if they pout', we're saying 'if they pout, then pork them'! Completely different!". But you don't need to take my word for it, I'm sure a follower of TRP will be along shortly to call me a mangina and proselytize to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 07:45 PM
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I answered your question Could you please quote for me, right here, which part of your comment was an answer to the question Now, was the above paragraph hyperbolic? If so, how would you rephrase it to make the same point without being hyperbolic?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 07:34 PM
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Nothing. It'll fade over time on its own, like every other angry reaction by the privileged to the loss of their privilege. The manosphere is something that'll be solved by the passage of time and the moving-on of the zeitgeist, not by anything a government does.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 06:57 PM
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I feel like you completely ignored my question. That might be because you didn't answer or acknowledge it in any way. Could you please do that? To help remind you, here, I'll repeat it in bold: I genuinely believe that rape is among the set of behaviors recommended by TRP. They don't like to call it that, but definitionally, "not taking no for an answer when it comes to sex" is what the word rape means. So in advocating "don't take no for an answer", TRP advocates rape. This isn't an exaggeratio…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 05:57 PM
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Hyperbole: noun. Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally. Do you think that I'm speaking for effect when I say that TRP advocates rape? Ok, maybe we're having a failure of communication here. Let me try to be more explicit: I genuinely believe that rape is among the set of behaviors recommended by TRP. They don't like to call it that, but definitionally, "not taking no for an answer when it comes to sex" is what the word rape means. So in advocating "don't take no for an…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 05:32 PM
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I meant that getting an 800 on the math portion of the SAT when taking it in high school (I guess that usually happens at 16?) is about what I'd expect from anyone wanting to become a scientist or an engineer. I mean, yes, I'd also expect any current engineer taking the SAT to get 800 in the math portion. But that's not what I was saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 05:21 PM
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Responding to your edit: So "white knights" are men who play up their feminism to attract women. Except I'm a perfect example of a white knight, because I'm pointing out that TRP advocates rape-by-another-name. I guess the assumption is that I'm pointing this out, because I believe it'll help me "attract chicks" in some way? Just for my own curiosity: was there some set of conditions under which I could be a man, point out that TRP advocates rape, and not be a white knight?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 05:19 PM
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Race doesn't have that much to do with it. An 800 in math on the SAT is, like, the baseline level of competence you'd expect from someone wanting to become a scientist or an engineer.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 04:22 PM
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There aren't very many on the internet either, from what I've seen. I should clarify that I've seen plenty of men called white knights. I've been called a white knight pretty frequently myself. But I've never seen run into anyone online who actually matches the definition of "white knight" that you laid out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 04:18 PM
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Sure, sure bruh. It's not like people can just lurk on TRP and see these things for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 03:36 PM
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Uh, no. RP are rapists because they advocate rape. They just call it "pushing past LMR". A rape by any other name is still as redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 03:28 PM
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Should PPD be taken seriously as a debate sub? It doesn't seem like a place where a lot of sincere debates take place.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 03:10 PM
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I was speaking with OP. That was a question specifically directed at OP. Your informing me of what you think "white knight" means isn't helpful in figuring out what OP's question meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 02:51 PM
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I'm pretty sure TRP guys care about consent. How I wish I could still believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 02:49 PM
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Then yes, duh, Nice Guystm are transparent and hilariously dumb in their approach no matter what their token, affected good traits are. Twitter Boy is no exception to that rule. Follow-up question: what did you mean by "all these" white knights? Do you believe that Nice Guystm using token feminism in the hopes of getting laid are commonplace?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 02:47 PM
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So a "white knight" is any Nice Guytm who includes token feminism in his reasons why he deserves a girlfriend? And if that's the case, do you believe that Nice Guystm like that one don't get mercilessly made fun of?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 02:28 PM
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Ok. What do you think a "white knight" is?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 02:25 PM
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I'm not sure I understand the question. Isn't a white knight (according to TRP) any and every feminist man?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 02:22 PM
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Eh, I stay for stereotypes about various European countries, hearing about world events, and cute fuzzy kitties. Oh, and shadenfreude. Drama isn't a big draw for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 12:10 PM
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I'm not sure you mentioned how you're a student at a top-tier university enough times. Think you could work it in there another two or five times? That aside, being a student at a top university takes work. Maybe people aren't hooking up because they're focused on studying...you know, that thing they're accruing $50k+ in debt for?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 06:55 PM
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fempire Ohhhh, PPD. Never change.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 05:09 PM
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Thanks for the heads up. I'll do my best to refrain from doing that in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 12:28 PM
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*revolve, but otherwise, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 12:24 PM
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The cause of that anger seems to be the large gap between their entitled expectations ("I deserve a HB9.98 because I have a job and I'm only 40 lbs overweight") and reality. Unfortunately, it'll take some time for the expectations of unremarkable white boys to start matching the reality of what potential partners actually want to give them. I actually agree with TRP that a lot of their butthurt anguish comes from their not getting what they feel that they're entitled to. Where we differ is that …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 12:22 PM
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It's less funny, though unsurprising, that he's upvoted for posting to an unpopular comment that got downvoted on TBP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 04:13 PM
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Well, what're you waiting for then? Be the change you want to see in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 12:31 PM
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I read that women can never be attracted to more feminine men, As a fairly effeminate man who's had no shortage of sexual partners, I can guarantee that this is bullshit. Stop trying to be someone you're not, and instead go find the girls who think that who you naturally are is super hot. Trust me, they're out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 11:42 AM
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That's why I only gave you that particular stub. If you want me to invest a certain amount of time into understanding your viewpoint, you're going to need to invest at least as much time into writing it out for yourself. Experience has taught me to avoid asymmetrical exchanges of effort with twerps. That's why I flat-out refuse to read links to non-studies. And I saw enough of that blog post or whatever it was to have it be very clear that it was an opinion piece, not a study. your behavior is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/15 11:40 AM
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This from the troll who says "go read the sidebar" instead of making his points. When asked "where does TRP promote abuse?", I'll happily point to where TRP promotes abuse. With absolutely no prompting at all, sandman will hand out reading assignments to spare himself the effort of saying what he thinks. Yup. Those are two completely comparable scenarios. because he imagines it is a "toxic hate cult" and "domestic abuse". Why do you think I imagine these awful things about your innocent safe spa…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 03:06 PM
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If you feel insecure comparing yourself to one of your girlfriend's past partners, something that might help is working on yourself. Ok, you probably can't live the impossible anime harem fantasy scenario that you imagine Chad has lived. But that doesn't mean that you can't have your own strengths, and your own things that you're awesome at! Hobbies, skills, areas of expertise...if we acknowledge that the guy we refer to as Chad is actually a real human being, with the inherent limitations that …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 02:06 PM
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I yield, I yield! Please make it stop!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 01:31 PM
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This is starting to seem less like it's about Hypothetical Insecure Male's relationship with his girlfriend, and more about HIM's relationship with Chad. Regarding the relationship with the girlfriend (which is what you'd asked about in the OP), HIM is winning because he gets his girlfriend's love, companionship, and sex now and in the future, while Chad only got some of those at some point in the past. Regarding the relationship with Chad (which seems to be what you'd really meant to ask about)…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 01:30 PM
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Are you sure you used enough bold text? Maybe you should throw in some capslock too, for the words you really want to emphasize.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 01:07 PM
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In short: Why did Greg "win" and what are the benefits he can enjoy that Chad never will? You mean, besides the super-obvious benefits of getting to share his life with his partner? Or of getting to sleep with her now, today, tomorrow, and next week, as opposed to having done so at some point in the past?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 12:39 PM
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the bold part from the article I quoted I thought I'd made it clear that I wasn't interested in reading a multi-page screed from you? Hate to break it to you brah, but you don't get to give me reading assignments. If you have a point you wish to make to me, feel free to make it here, yourself. When is it "uncomfortable" enough so that they "earned" the right to more than just frustrated by it? There is no amount of time spent single which justifies joining a toxic hate-cult. There are no blue ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 12:20 PM
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Aw, it wasn't so bad. I wouldn't want to do it every day though. Or for more than an hour at a time ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 12:15 PM
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If you can prove false pain better than this, feel free to go ahead. "Prove"? For how long have you believed that this conversation was supposed to be me justifying myself to you? I respond to TRP in the way that I think best, and I'm also an empathetic person. You seemed not to understand how empathy could coexist with condemning rape-apologists. I felt charitable, so I took the time to explain. At no point have I committed to or cared about "proving" anything to you. Do RP's respond to pain in…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 12:14 PM
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He probably does claim to have done so. The claims that he's totally done all this are part of the fiction. Self-insertion fanfic is still fanfic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 12:09 PM
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Try getting it every time you're alone outside without a male escort from the age of 14 onward. Saying "I got catcalled once and I didn't mind, women make too big a deal about it being traumatizing" is like saying "I walked in heels once and it was fine, women make too big a deal about the long-term spinal damage".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 08:02 PM
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It's kind of funny how much butthurt I've gotten from twerps over my username. I just thought that it'd be a fun play on words from "quantum tunneling" for what had been meant as a throwaway account. Now every other follower of TRP claims that my name means that the thought-out, carefully-formatted comments I make on here must be throwaway trolling. Anyway! This may be true that the quality of suffering is very common, but the degree and severity? not at all. It's a little embarrassing to have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 07:59 PM
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Being told you're a rapist or a wife-beater because youre seeking an alternative way of relating to the opposite sex Do you think that I tell anyone using any alternative ways of relating to people that they're supporting rape and domestic abuse? Or might there be something about TRP specifically which gets it this treatment from me (and almost everyone who hears about it)?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 07:45 PM
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Like I said, I believe in cooperation and I think it can be beneficial, but I'm not sure it extends universally. Well, I meant more something along these lines: once you recognize that even though it is admittedly arbitrary and specific to the human species, there is an objectively-existing, empirically-determinable moral code of conduct which our species tends to instinctively default to, that fact should influence your future decision-making. We might argue about specific details of this objec…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 05:22 PM
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What do you think about evolutionary morality? That's secular (no requirement or room for theism), objective (since it relies on the empirical measurement of people's instinctive moral judgments), and nature-based (deliberately tries to avoid nurture by testing across cultures to find which moral judgments are basic and instinctive).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 04:21 PM
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I fully understand the difference. -- Let me ask you this, if you found that someone had pain that you did not think deserved your empathy, Yeah, see, I don't think you do. Oh, what the hell. You don't seem malicious, so I'll give you some of my time. Let me ask you this, if you found that someone had pain that you did not think deserved your empathy, what would you do then? I think that pain always deserves empathy. I just don't think that "The set of everyone who feels pain" and "The set of ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 04:08 PM
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Huh. Wish I were more surprised by encountering the idea that expecting people to hold themselves to minimal moral standards is interpreted as other-directed collectivism. Are you one of the people in here who believes that caring about one's own ethical behavior must always be other-directed? In other words, if someone cares about doing the right thing, do they definitionally care about that because they believe that it will benefit others at their own expense? EDIT: had said "self" when I mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 03:59 PM
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So if you label yourself as "Anti-Blue Pill", that means that you believe that TBP is defined by our common belief in "collectivism", ie: in choosing our behavior centered around self-sacrifice for the common good?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 03:29 PM
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Just googled "collectivism" real quick: Collectivism is a political theory associated with communism. More broadly, it is the idea that people should prioritize the good of society over the welfare of the individual. Is that the definition you're using here?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 03:18 PM
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You seem not to understand the difference between "I am judging whether their pain, which they are really feeling and being honest about, deserves sympathy" and "I am judging whether they are being truthful or lying when they say they feel pain". I've done my best to explain this difference to you. If you are still not capable of understanding it, then there might not be a point in our continuing the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 03:11 PM
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It's been interesting watching that happen. If you guys are defined by your opposition to a group defined by its opposition to abuse, that doesn't make you pro-abuse? It just makes you anti-anti-abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 03:08 PM
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In the first sentence you are talking about false pain. I agree you should call that out. In the second you are talking about judging if a persons pain fits in with your criteria. I am talking about judging whether someone's self-reported pain is actually pain, or "I'm upset because I didn't get what I wanted, but either I don't know enough about what real pain is to know being upset isn't pain, or I believe it'd be totes Machiavellian to say this is pain so those dumb liberals do what I want". …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 02:59 PM
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What does not matter is if you think that the pain someone else is suffering is true, just or you would feel the same. What does matter is that according to that person they are feeling pain. I guess there we're just going to have to disagree. It's an unfortunate fact of human nature that we feel upset when our expectations aren't met, no matter how unreasonable those expectations are. You run into problems when you start treating the "pain" of those who expect to be unfairly advantaged as if it…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 02:28 PM
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Do you not think that I felt utterly alone for years, and that no one wanted to see or deal with a man who is suffering? No one had any sympathy, despite my overwhelming grief. Oh good lord, one of those. Do you feel that you're entitled to the attention and affection of strangers, just for existing? Do you do the same thing for others that you expect others to do for you? Do you not see that a society is broken when it can't be bothered to care for the hopeless and suicidal? This, we agree on. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 02:20 PM
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So in other words, you actually did get laid and therefore did not go through the same. You miss the point. Before the time in high school when I started getting laid, there was the time in high school before I started getting laid. Followers of TRP bitch and moan about their "pain" and "real suffering" because they had to go through a time when they weren't getting laid. And you accuse anyone who laughs at you of being unempathetic by saying they just don't understand what it's like to want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 02:13 PM
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mocking someone else's pain Do you think that not getting sex when you feel that you deserve it qualifies as "pain"?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 02:03 PM
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Digging through people's submission history looking for ammunition to use against them. Trying to turn a debate into a referendum on the other person by challenging their masculinity/femininity, their sexual ability or success, the happiness of their past relationships or past partners, etc. Deliberately trying to provoke an emotional response from the person you're debating (by looking for insults which will get under their skin) then when you succeed in making them upset dismissing everything …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 01:55 PM
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How a person communicates says as much about his philosophy as what he says. Yeah, that's fair. I'm not very patient with entitlement, and have a hard time empathizing with the "pain" of "I thought I deserved special treatment from people just for being me and I was upset when I didn't get it". It probably does say something negative about my personality that I enjoy pulling the rhetorical rug out from under people when they try to garner sympathy for the "suffering" of being brought down to equ…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 01:49 PM
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Just for laughs, I just did a quick word-count on that: 7,197 words. You expect me to read a 7,197 essay in order to spare you the effort of articulating your own thoughts. Alrighty then. Do you feel that I'm morally obligated to put more effort into understanding the existential angst of "I didn't get laid in high school" than you do into expressing it? What you (personal you, since you are one of those I was refering to with that part) are doing is generally being a tool in here and therefore …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 01:34 PM
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And good for you! That's a healthy level of detachment to bring to a festering cesspool like PPD. Whether or not you take this sub seriously though, other people do take their personal issues seriously. Using myself as an example, I don't much care about what opinion the other people here have of me. But I do care about things outside of this sub. I have my attachments, my fears, and my insecurities. Not caring about the speaker wouldn't prevent the things they say from affecting me, if the thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 12:53 PM
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The guys who bask in their holier-than-thou-feeling because they have the "correct", mainstream-approved set of values and therefore are not only justified in being dicks, but operate under the assumption that it's the right thing to do. You just acknowledged that a lot of the followers of TRP in here are, cough, "less than civil". Is it not justified to respond to habitual, incredible levels of nastiness with some defensive nastiness of our own? Is "treating others as they are actively, current…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 12:43 PM
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Heh. I'd be upset by that article if I thought any of it had ever happened. Some of that TRP fanfiction gets pretty dark. Glad they've found a way to express their abuse fetishes without hurting (or interacting with) any other person. Though I do wish the more prominent authors would clearly label their fanfics as fiction, just for clear labelling's sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 12:34 PM
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Nah, fuck talk therapy. It always seemed like a therapist trying to ensure that they kept you as a client for the next decade or three. I'm a big fan of medication and CBT, personally. Use the CBT to train yourself to avoid self-destructive ways of thinking, and use the medication to get the motivation necessary to break harmful habits, and build new ones. Regular exercise works wonders for your mood, as does making sure you have a regular and reasonable sleep schedule, and a daily set routine. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 12:28 PM
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Yeah, panic attacks are some of the worst things ever. Good luck keeping those under control!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 12:26 PM
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Severe depression as a late teenager/early adult. Got that under control through a combination of CBT, wellbutrin, and exercise. Interesting thought exercise: given how prone some followers of TRP are to combing through the submission and comment histories of people they don't like in order to try to humiliate or discredit them, do you think you might not be better off requesting this information be sent to you through PM? I know that I just internally debated, and then did decide to hold some s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 12:25 PM
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Do you think that in order for someone to have empathy, it is required that they empathize with you? Can someone have positive traits without having them aimed at or benefitting you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 12:17 PM
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In response to the title of your post: Duh and/or hello? It's especially amusing when the same twerps who take pride in how toxic they are then loudly complain that people simply won't debate them. PPD is pretty much a cesspool at this point. Don't see that there's much that can be done by the community to fix it, either. Maybe if the mods actually banned people for toxic behavior, but pfft, like that'll happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 12:15 PM
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Eh, I get the feeling I'm wasting my time here. Enjoy your hyperbole and epeen-stroking brah.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 05:31 PM
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I was mocking your statement. Which is what AA is. Mockery and deflection, without bothering to address the content of what you're trying to dismiss. If you don't want to own up to what you were doing brah, that's fine, my expectations are very low at this point. Just stop trying to pull that shit when talking with me from here on out. Try less hyperbole and more data. there are a fuckton of men dissatisfied with the current state of marriage and it is only getting worse. Ahem. Leaving aside the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 04:36 PM
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You do understand that I know what Agree and Amplify is, right? If you don't want to discuss this matter, then don't. If you're going to, please drop all the "Machiavellian" passive-aggressive TRP bullshit. I'm doing you the courtesy of addressing you as an adult, I expect the same in return. The unfortunate necessity of teaching you basic manners aside, what's your point? Do your beliefs require you to claim that almost all marriages are miserable for the men in them? Would happy, non-abusive m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 03:45 PM
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It's English convention. It's not though. The convention I usually run into is capitalizing words based on proper nouns (Japanese, Indian, etc) and not capitalizing words not based on proper nouns (white, black, etc). Asian is kind of a weird case in that even though Asia is a proper noun, people usually say "asian", not "Asian". Also, these terms are used as modifiers, not as a replacement for a noun. So it's "Indian people", not "Indians". Or "white people", not "Whites". Hope that helps you s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 12:45 PM
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It simply notes that if you were to do that, except in rare cases, you are now a BB. It simply preaches that if you get married to someone you love, you are now a BB. And all the men in happy, sexually-satisfying marriages would like a word with you about that "in rare cases" equivocating you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 12:40 PM
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First, please don't capitalize skin colors. It's creepy. Second, you're starting from the premise that TRP describes inescapable reality. It doesn't. If marriage is something that appeals to you, marry whoever you fall in love with. If you feel insecure about dating Indian women, why not date other ethnicities? The US is has an immigrant culture, you're hardly going to be starved for choice in that regard. Also, from a brown dude to a brown dude, I just don't buy that "white girls won't emotiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/15 08:05 PM
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Yup, bored now.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 06:44 PM
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Given that you've treated at least one of my rhetorical questions so far as if they were sincere, I'm unconvinced of your ability to understand my responses. Tell you what: Point out to me which rhetorical question you mistook for a genuine question, and we can continue this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 06:25 PM
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You asked me a question. I answered it. You asked the same question again. I answered the same question again. And now you're complaining that I didn't answer your question? This conversation has gotten pretty boring. I think I'm done with it now.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 06:02 PM
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What purpose does clearly labelling the contents of TRP (which it tries to hide with coy euphemisms like "dread game", "pushing past LMR", and an alphabet-soup of acronyms) serve? It doesn't do me any good directly, if that's what you're asking. But I'd hope that they can let bystanders and TRP neophytes see clearly what this belief system is, and what it turns its followers into.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 05:25 PM
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You seem to be trying to have a conversation with someone else bruh. I never said that you said I need to change my beliefs. I said that I don't need to prove objective morality exists in order to judge you according to my own values. Why are you having trouble with this? And why are you bringing in all this generic "d'oh libruls are teh dumb u guise" crap?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 04:58 PM
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We finished our conversation. Please stop following me around trying to get me to pay more attention to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 04:43 PM
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They are getting mad that people do not conform to their idea of ethics but yet they also cannot point out or show me where ethics have been proven to have one take on it. These things are unrelated. I don't have to prove that objective morality exists and that rape is wrong according to universal law in order to find both rape and rapists repugnant. Given that there are always exceptions, what purpose does BP's holding RP's to their standard of ethics actually serve? Most people find rape, abus…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 04:42 PM
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Broken link, just brings up the google homepage.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 04:27 PM
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Most of the issues that BP's have with RP's is about ethics but yet there is no one universal code of ethics, so what are BP's mad about really? If I'm following your question, you're saying that unless one believes in objective moral values, one can't disapprove of others' behavior or judge them to be bad people. Is that it? Morality has to be objective, or morality cannot exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 04:22 PM
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Alright, keep posturing. Doesn't mean I have to play along.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 03:36 PM
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The sidebar is real evidence. Your being too lazy to read the evidence I've provided doesn't mean I haven't provided it. Burden of examining the evidence provided is on you. And you know that. So please, quit the juvenile posturing brah. You lost an argument, it happens. Learn from it, come back, and show me up next time with actual sources and evidence! I know you've got it in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 03:11 PM
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If you're interested in learning about healthy relationships, as opposed to "relationships where I'm just trying to get as much sex as possible before she leaves me", you might want to check out /r/relationships. They're not always spot-on, but they frequently provide good examples of real-life situations and constructive advice for how to respond to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 02:57 PM
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You really believe there's no such thing as a woman saying "we're getting married or no more sex"? You really believe that's never ever happened in the history of mankind? Seriously? Something else that's happened: one guy was hit by lightning seven separate times. That doesn't mean that that's a thing "that happens", or that it's reasonable to speak as if it's a realistic danger anyone should worry about.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 02:50 PM
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Or because I've got more than two brain cells to rub together. You claim that "women who have sex with lots of men are incapable of commitment". And then you provide a study about how "women who live or sleep with a man before marriage have higher divorce rates". These things just don't follow from each other. They're not connected. If your evidence were actually evidence, it wouldn't require a blind leap of faith from the person judging its value as evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 02:48 PM
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Read the sidebar.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 02:46 PM
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And by reminding you that since you're the one making these drastic truth claims, the burden of proof is on you to back up your claims, not on me to prove their opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 02:45 PM
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It's what brought me to trp actually. Disappointment in a platonic friendship. Nothing to do with sex at all. So wait, you bought into an ideology which teaches that all men are idiots and all women are worthless because one person was a lousy friend? That at no point seemed like overreacting to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 02:44 PM
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Your take on that story? Well, let's see: Of course it was also because I was rather uncomfortable with the affection she displayed towards me (no, she wasn't repulsive or terribly incompatible with me, but I wasn't into her and simply couldn't really handle that at the time), but had I been generally comfortable with feigning affection, I wouldn't have had these hangups. So you didn't sleep with someone you didn't want to sleep with. And you think the noble self-sacrifice of not doing something…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 02:43 PM
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Uh, sure. Pretend I just linked a study about the crime rate in Belgium. That study is now evidence that twerps all suffer from sexual dysfunction. It's not hard to have "better evidence" than "no evidence at all". And what you just linked? That doesn't actually support your claim. At all. Why would you expect people to be impressed, just because you could google a link to an unrelated study?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 02:40 PM
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It's men's nature to press for sex, This is telling. You deny that there's anything wrong with attempted rape "overcoming her resistance", but at the same time, try to diffuse responsibility by saying it's not you, it's "men's nature"? Your self-disgust is showing brah. If a woman is having sex and wants to get married, is she justified in saying "we're getting married or no more sex"? No. Good thing that doesn't happen, and that there isn't a whole internet cult devoted to teaching women to do …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 02:38 PM
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Shyness and inexperience alone aren't enough to buy into the "every behavior is ok as long as I think it might get my dick wet".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 02:36 PM
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Oh, sorry, forgot to add this to the end: source: /r/theredpill
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 02:35 PM
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I'm gonna regret asking this: And you know this how? By knowing people with promiscuous sexual histories. And by reminding you that since you're the one making these drastic truth claims, the burden of proof is on you to back up your claims, not on me to prove their opposite. Premarital sex increases divorce risk: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2003.00444.x/abstract conclusions: women with premarital sexual histories are more likely to divorce than women without premarita…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 02:34 PM
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I bet that most of the scenarios are not: "I do one good deed and expect sex for it." Probably not. What twerps self-report (though without enough self-awareness to understand why this is wrong) is more along the lines of "I did N good deeds and expected sex for it." The problem isn't with what they perceived the decency:sex ratio to be, the problem was that they felt that they deserved to be rewarded with sex for meeting the bare minimum of human decency. It's probably more realistic to look at…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 02:29 PM
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many or maybe even most red pillers were completely BP, romantic, loving and caring guys They weren't. They believed they were, which is part of what was wrong with them and led to them falling for TRP. But they weren't. When twerps self-report who they were before they converted to TRP, they're almost universally Nice Guystm . They were entitled whiny manipulative assholes even before they found an ideology which teaches them that it's ok to be whiny manipulative assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 02:17 PM
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an epidemic of women Epidemic. What proportion of women do you believe engage in these behaviors? And what evidence do you have to support these beliefs? I'm specifically referring to the first two bullet points. The last one is meaningless so I'm ignoring it. I don't accept that TRP engages in deliberate manipulation or abuse. Of course you don't. It's a "sexual strategy" to get what you want in what you believe to be an adversarial game, where you "winning" means your opponents have to "lose",…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 02:15 PM
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For example you could say "well why don't TRP men just rape women then?" I would, if they weren't giving workshops on how to "overcome resistance" and "blow past LMR". we ignore ethics if we need too Do you think that it is ok that you'll ignore ethics to get the sex you want? I mean, is this something about yourself that you would change if you could, or are you completely ok with being a person who'll "be moral, maybe, as long as it doesn't interfere with my hopes of getting laid"?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 02:08 PM
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Her past ramps up her taste for alpha, Except it doesn't. Women with high Ns have problems bonding Except they don't. You've gotta provide evidence to support your biotoofs brah. I remain completely amazed at how people say "the past informs the present, the past is important, past performance can in fact tell us about the future", except when it comes to women's sexual histories. Nobody says that. A woman who was promiscuous in the past is likely going to continue enjoying sex in the future. No…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 02:02 PM
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Ethics come into play after all base needs have already been met Twerps self-report that they join TRP because they weren't getting as much sex as they felt entitled to. Is having lots of sex a "base need"? Are the men of TRP only capable of caring about right and wrong if they're getting laid regularly? And, if that's the case, are they justified in generalizing their own nature to every other man?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 01:50 PM
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The point is that men need to look out for themselves. To a certain degree, sure. But not to the point of engaging in unethical behavior, like deliberate emotional manipulation and abuse. Most of the men you're talking about have spent their lives looking out for everyone except themselves. Given the fact that most of the men I'm talking about are incapable of understanding why one might do a thing which didn't benefit them (in other words, are incapable of understanding morality), I doubt that.…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 01:48 PM
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they used to think "I have to take action to benefit others at all costs, even to my own detriment, because that's 'the right thing to do'. And if I do, then others will see it and appreciate it" Much as I've just asked Iramohs: Do you think it's possible for someone to care about doing the right thing for its own sake, instead of as a way of having others like them? It seems weird that redpill types think the only reason to care about ethical behavior is if doing so will give you a reward...or …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 01:11 PM
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Within the religious framework of Catholicism: original sin is unavoidable programming. Within the religious framework of The Red Pill: AWALT is unavoidable programming. I dunno, I thought this comparison was pretty clever.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 01:05 PM
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Who gives a fuck about ethics Once I stopped caring about how people perceived me Do you think it's possible for someone to care about doing the right thing for its own sake, instead of as a way of having others like them?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 12:58 PM
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I believe in original sin, but... ...I'm not sure what to make of the Pope. Based on this wikipedia article I think that the Pope believes we're all born sinners himself (as a default sin that humans take) and was raised to not be like that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope What do you think? Can a man avoid sin if he acknowledges its existence and lives a successful and fulfilling life independent of sinning?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 12:55 PM
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As /u/iramohs has so ably summed it up in these comments: TRP is working for me so I have no reason to change my ways. Followers of TRP seem to be incapable of understanding the thought of "I think this action would benefit me, but I still shouldn't do it". That's part of the basis of all ethical thought. Someone who cannot understand that thought, literally cannot tell right from wrong. And over and over again, this is what I've run into from twerps when discussing their beliefs. Why are twerps…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 12:44 PM
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So TRP posits a situation in which your partner has been lying to you about their past, and the problem then is supposedly their past, instead of the lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 12:21 PM
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TRP is empirical! TRP isn't up for debate
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 06:50 PM
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We only try to help men see the world as it really is. The only damaging and hateful things I've seen are what you're trying to say That you see no conflict between these two things is what makes the damage caused by TRP possible. TRP teaches that AWALT. Every woman is, or at the very least (for the more "liberal" twerps) should be treated as if she is lying, manipulative, abusive, without any inner complexity and capable of providing value only through being a sex-thing. TRP teaches that AMALT.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 12:12 PM
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In 1967, Solanas self-published her best-known work, the SCUM Manifesto. Interesting. Did you have to go that far back to find an example of a feminist saying something as bad as the word-vomit that graces the front page of TRP every day?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 08:15 PM
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Something was going to set him off in one way or another. If it wasn't his self-entitled attitude about dating, it might have been "Helter Skelter" by the Beatles. Convenient, and entirely unfalsifiable. Much like the rest of TRP's beliefs. Do you believe it's possible to have a conversation about what a dead boy might have done if he hadn't killed a bunch of women because of his TRP beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 08:06 PM
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Hey, the approval of internet strangers is very important to some people. The idea that it might not be important to others seems to never cross their mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 07:53 PM
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Do you think that any desire to help people is impractically idealistic? Or just the desire to help people like you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 07:46 PM
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Source? Sure thing. Check out any post by an "anger phaser" in TRP. Or anything that CWM writes. Ooh, or for the best of the best cringe-inducing hurt and ineffectual lashing-out, read through whisper's comment history.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 07:44 PM
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Why even "care" about us when we try our best to keep to ourselves? Because you're hurting, and lashing out. The lashing out hurts other people as well. It's sad to see, and it would be good to help you learn to stop lashing out, so you might find companionship and stop hurting. TRP won't help you with any of that. They'll just teach you how to maximize the damage you do while lashing out.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 07:41 PM
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Nah, he hated on one sub-segment of the manosphere from another segment of it. It's like how followers of TRP will swear up and down that TRP, MGTOW, PUA, and so on are all totally different, and actually opposed to each other, no really you guys. But for anyone outside that little family of cults, they all look exactly the same. TRP likes to pretend that Elliot Rogers had absolutely nothing to do with their ideology, because he belonged to a slightly different sect from theirs. But they both sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 06:46 PM
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Did you miss all the previous threads about ethnically (SE) asian, indian, and black men in relation to TRP? Yes actually. So were there two, or three of them? Have you not noticed that there are non-white pro-RP posters here in PPD? Please see aforementioned comment about there being two, or possibly three of them. Know thy enemy. Aw, the followers of TRP aren't my enemy. Whatever gave you that impression? They're my version of community service. I'm here for the off-chance that I help even one…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 05:30 PM
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TRP is some of the most entitled shit on the planet. Typically, you see that from straight white boys. TRP likes to parade how they've totally got lots of black friends, and maybe even a half-black member, but they're not really convincing. It's not necessary to believe that TRP is mostly composed of privileged butthurt white boys in order to understand why TRP is wrong. But knowing that about their userbase can be helpful in figuring out how so many of them came to be wrong in that specific way…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 05:20 PM
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Generous, psh. You responded because you're still butthurt that our last conversation went poorly for you, brah. Wow. Such stoic. Held much frame.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 05:09 PM
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I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over how hard your hamster wheel was spinning. But no, please, tell me more about how the manosphere's poster boy's murder spree was totally unrelated to the hate and entitlement he learned in the manosphere. It's very convincing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 05:06 PM
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Let's suppose a mentally ill person latches on to radical feminism and starts killing men. Let's suppose a mentally ill person latches on to the idea of gender equality, and so starts killing just one gender. Keep reaching, brah. Maybe someday you'll find a decent rebuttal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 05:05 PM
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Mentally ill people are going to find something to be mentally ill about, brah. Denying responsibility for abusing the mentally ill, are we? Good thing we're outside your safe space, and I can call you out on how irresponsible and flatly evil that is. It's pointless to consider ideas based on how mentally ill people will react to them, Except TRP isn't just "ideas", it's a theology and a community. And considering the behavior of a community toward the mentally and emotionally vulnerable is abso…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 05:02 PM
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Pretty sure RP can prey on the mentally ill, tell them they're entitled to fuk dem sloots, and tell them they have a right to express their anger when they don't get what they're entitled to...brah.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 04:53 PM
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YOU DON'T COUNT BECAUSE OUTLIERS AND BIOTOOFS
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 04:50 PM
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There is no such thing as "used sexthing with no right not to consent to sex with me". I know that. TRP...wait, weren't you the guy who explained that he doesn't actually read TRP anymore? So maybe your ignorance of their entitlement is justified. Anyway, what's your point? Did you have one?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 04:44 PM
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might be a slut Depends on what you mean by "slut". If you mean "has been promiscuous in the past", yes, that's a reasonable theory to have, though you'd want to talk with her about it before having that belief set in stone. If you mean what TRP usually means by "slut", which is "used sex-thing with no right not to consent to sex with me", then no, still unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 04:38 PM
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Um...you need an editor. That aside, some of us care about the kids suckered into TRP because, as ludicrous as it is, a lot of these straight white boys really do feel disenfranchised. And disenfranchised young men are easy to radicalize. I'd rather not have more Elliot Rogers out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 04:23 PM
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Why is it OK for nonRP to generalize about unattractive men It's not, and we don't. and men who use guides to understand women And here is the real part that gets to you, hidden behind the inoffensive "unattractive men". Let's address what you're really asking, shall we? It's ok to draw conclusions about you from your behavior because you deliberately chose to engage in that behavior. Knowing your behavior gives us information about your choices, which gives us information about your values, you…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 04:16 PM
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They don't want to confront their hypocrisy directly. Or we find you boring, perhaps? Particularly circle-jerky stuff like this, written by followers of TRP for followers of TRP so you can all tell each other how enlightened you are now that you've found the Truth of TRP...we've seen it all before. It's not intellectually challenging, and you're clearly not up to the intellectual challenge of an honest conversation. So, why do you think you're entitled to having us waste our time? Ask an honest …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 04:06 PM
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Nobody cares if you don't marry though. So why would we be saying "man up and marry the slut", when most BPers would honestly rather you lot remain unmarried?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 03:53 PM
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Ok. I'm a hypocrite. Hypocrisy abounds in the real world, especially dating. Why so upset about this instance? If your defense is "yeah I'm a hypocrite, and I'm ok with that", then cool. I'm glad you've come to terms with your innate awfulness. But if you're really ok with the depths to which you willingly sink, why are you upset when other people aren't also ok with them? Do you think you have the right to be awful, and to also be free from judgment? This is the real world brah. You're outside …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 03:50 PM
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No, it's because women dare talk back to men now...and you can't even give them five across the eyes to put them in their place! Woe, woe is me!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 02:54 PM
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Could we please not capitalize ethnicities? It's weird and reminiscent of Stormfront.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 02:52 PM
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Sounds like someone hasn't been seeing the mindlessness that TRP taught him to expect...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 02:48 PM
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Eh, this conversation got boring. Have fun fighting against the oppressive matriarchy, m8.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 04:13 PM
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I just don't feel the need to split chores I dislike and that she admittedly enjoys exactly 50/50. So you volunteer to do chores that your partners don't like by yourself? You spend approximately equal amounts of time doing chores? Or are your chores "harder" or....what was it? Oh yeah, "more intellectually demanding", so they're done faster? I think an incredibly tiny minority does. I also think they don't mean shit when your girlfriend has never brought up pegging within the conversation of se…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 03:26 PM
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You're free to watch the stupidest movies you can find brah. Doesn't mean that drawing gender essentialist conclusions from Hollywood's production choices is somehow justified.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 12:30 PM
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Why do women as a demographic collectively prefer stupid chick flicks over feminist stuff that passes the Bechdel test with flying colors? Because they're brainwashed into liking it by the patriarchy... or because they actually simply like it? I don't know. Why do men as a demographic collectively prefer stupid action flicks over feminist stuff that passes the "actually has a plot" test with flying colors? Maybe because most people are kinda dumb? Doesn't justify drawing broad gender-essentialis…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 11:58 AM
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Would you have been one of the people giving me shit? :P Probably not. Unless you were directly impacting my life or assaulting my friends, odds are I wouldn't have given a shit about you. Sure, if I'd chanced to learn about your relationships expectations I'd have thought you were a sexist hypocrite, but so what? Those are a dime a dozen, hardly worth wasting time or anger over. Why does everything have to be exactly 50/50? Because that's definitionally fair? It doesn't have to be exactly 50/50…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 11:54 AM
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He got discomfort from the idea that he might like something masculine. He says so himself. Yes. And the reason why liking something traditionally masculine would make one uncomfortable, is because that shit is pushed at us all the time. Seriously, this is feminism 101 here. If you're trying to understand his discomfort, you need to understand the ideas that it arises from. But then, you seem much more interested in assuming "OMG feminism hatez teh mens" and going from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 07:32 PM
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At first you were arguing that my idea of the norm was wrong, now you've abandoned that argument in favor of saying there is no norm. Pick one! ;) Actually bruh they're the same thing ;). See, if there's no norm :p, then no norm can be correct X-P. LOL LOL >:-x ...see how annoying that shit is? Please keep your emojis to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 07:30 PM
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But swinging the pendulum the other way was not the answer. That, I wholeheartedly agree with. It seems to be an unfortunate flaw in how humans tend to think that we need to use categories to understand things. The new liberal gender roles aren't really an improvement on the old redpill gender roles, because the problem is gender roles themselves rather than whatever their content happens to be. As long as we're "supposed to" like some things or not want other things because of our gender, some …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 07:29 PM
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It's a concept, not a prescriptive model. And that's when I lost interest in the conversation. Sure, TRP and RPW don't tell their followers what to do. Nope, of course not. Look, I'll be honest: I don't think you're willing to look at your theology and its other followers honestly enough to make further conversation fruitful or interesting. It's been interesting getting the perspective of a member of RPW, but now that I've got it, I don't see much purpose in continuing the conversation. Want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 07:14 PM
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Would you disagree that society says "a man has to be like most men"? If by "like most men" you mean "traditionally masculine", then no, I would not disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 06:41 PM
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We are absolutely told that liking sports is a masculine thing. We are told that liking sports is a masculine thing. And we are also told that we're supposed to be masculine. It is the combination of these two things that is coercive, and that's the problem. So if I were to like sports, but "be uncomfortable liking sports," because liking sports is masculine, then what does that imply? It implies that I have been trained to believe that masculinity itself is bad. No brah, you're not getting it. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 06:40 PM
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by his own admonition, Oh, muffin. Put down the thesaurus, you're going to hurt yourself. You definitely just hurt me. My concern is the source of the conflict. I can think of no natural reason to be conflicted over grilling out, I explain this in a comment further down the chain. I think you replied to that actually. I'll address this there. Rhetoric that states, apparently explicitly, that masculinity is bad. No brah, traditional masculinity is meh. Doing things because you're supposed to is b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 06:38 PM
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AWALT has never been a should. You seem to have trouble differentiating prescription and description. That's because they always run together. If you tell twerps that AWALT, and they run into a woman who isn't like that, they freak out and attack her. That's human nature, and is part of what makes TRP theology toxic. When? You made this up. Going back to one of your earlier comments: I can tell you many women are conflicted that way: they are taught they are above traditional motherhood and the …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 06:35 PM
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You stated that I demonstrated I did not fit in AWALT, which made me think you don't know AWALT pertains mostly to an hypergamous nature, which I very much so recognize in myself. It doesn't mean "all women are stay at home mothers". AWALT is a generalization about all women. Every woman, by virtue of having the gender "woman", has the trait X, where X can be "hypergamy", or "should be a stay-at-home mom", or "should not be a stay-at-home mom". You ran into a version of AWALT containing an X whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 06:04 PM
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What does AWALT mean to you? It means All Women Are Like That. Why, what did you think the acronym meant? Because I didn't fit your expectation? No, because I believe that empathy can only be learned through having negative experiences with something. But as you so ably demonstrate, simply having negative experiences isn't enough to learn empathy. And that gap between the two, the fact that you're happy to subscribe to an ideology which does to others something you were unhappy to have done to y…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 05:27 PM
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Yes, AWALT. You just made me sad. Like, you just described how you didn't fit into one version of AWALT. So instead, you just substituted it with a different version of AWALT which did happen to fit you. I wonder why people are so married to this gender essentialist model. Does it cause you distress to imagine a world where people are so complex that their gender isn't an accurate predictor of their desires and personality? I assume some of my friends would be disappointed to find out that I am …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 05:10 PM
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Why don't you respect when someone says "I'm not interested in discussing this with you"? Do you feel that you're entitled to an answer from me?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 05:06 PM
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Oh, I do enjoy debating things that are debatable. Male disposability, unfair sentencing, the nature and necessity of gender roles...those are all things about which it might be reasonable to disagree. But the really basic things? Things like "how many genders are there", "does culture have an impact on self-image", or "does American culture other men who don't like sports"? Those just aren't debatable dude. If you seriously lack awareness of your privilege to the point where you actually believ…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 04:53 PM
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I don't support TRP in a prescriptive "all people should do as I do and think as I think" sense, but it does resonate with me in a descriptive sense, meaning it explains the world in a way that makes sense as I've experienced it. So TRP resonated with you because it described you. Do you think it describes everyone? Are AWALT? I don't "push" to make people accept/do things TRP certainly does. So does RPW, which your flair indicates you support. If you support an organization or culture centered …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 04:48 PM
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Seeing as I'm not interested in arguing something as basic as "our society pushes men to like sports" with you (in the same way I'm not interested in arguing about what color the sky is), was there something else you objected to that you wanted to discuss? I don't like having to repeat myself brah.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 04:44 PM
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semanticpedanticsemanticSEMANTICPEDANTICPEDANTICPEDANTIC Ahem. Sorry, just felt a compulsive urge to yell words meaning "stop pointing out how stupid what I'm saying is". 49% is not an exception Yes, that's my point. You said, in essence: "I have this rule. Not everyone fits this rule. But it doesn't matter when someone doesn't fit the rule, the rule is still accurate.". And that's dumb. If enough people don't fit the rule, then the rule can't be considered accurate. Extremely few people fit the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 04:42 PM
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You're interpreting "most men like sports" to be "in order to be a normal guy you have to like sports", If you don't see the pervasive othering of non-sports-liking guys, then you don't see it. One of the benefits of being privileged is the luxury of claiming that there's no such thing. Seeing as I'm not interested in arguing something as basic as "our society pushes men to like sports" with you (in the same way I'm not interested in arguing about what color the sky is), was there something else…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 04:31 PM
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I can tell you many women are conflicted but the other way around: they are taught they are above traditional motherhood and the likes, so they feel guilt when they desire just that. Yeah, that's where things get a bit confusing. There's still a lot of residual pressure in our society for girls to be "normal" (aka traditional) and behave like the girls you see in movies. Romcoms are supposed to be "chick-flicks", and they present women as being entirely about men and relationships, as being not-…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 04:26 PM
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Nobody is telling me to like sports, a bunch of other men like them and I like them too. I wholeheartedly disagree. You're told that liking sports is integral to masculinity all the time. You might not notice since you agree with the message, but as someone who disagrees with it and gets bludgeoned with it every time he watches TV, or every time he sees a movie which claims to represent "normal guys", trust me, it's there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 04:08 PM
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I was just told the exact opposite of you. I've never met anyone who described similar experiences to yours. Might vary by part of the country? I did a lot of my growing up in the South, and...man. Our school's football team was the pride and joy of the school administration. The classrooms got new computers or textbooks or whatever, only after the sports teams got new uniforms and with the money left over. We had pep rallies for "our" teams every month it felt like, and though attendance wasn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 04:05 PM
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enjoying an activity has to come with such conflating feelings in the first place. Ok, breaking it down piece by piece. Enjoying an activity doesn't have to come with conflicting feelings. But enjoying traditionally masculine activities, in a culture which tries to force you to pretend you only enjoy traditionally masculine activities, is probably going to produce some odd feelings. If people try to order you to do a thing, and later on you find that you kind of want to do the thing, wouldn't yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 03:31 PM
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So the author writes an intelligent analysis of the conflicting feelings tied to enjoying things which fall under traditional masculinity. And your response is...since he thinks about these things, he must have issues? Do you think all introspective people "have issues"? Or is introspection only pathological when it touches on gender roles?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 01:33 PM
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These exceptions aren't worth discussing, because they're exceptions. At what point do "exceptions" become worth discussing? When they're 10% of the population you purport to describe with AWALT/AMALT? When they're 25%? 49%? that doesn't make you representative of the rest of us. I love how I am "I", singular, and you are "you", plural. No, I'm not representative of most men. Neither are you. The difference between us is, I don't claim the privilege of getting to define what is "normal" or "natu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 11:57 AM
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If you answered "no" to any of these, you fit the stereotype. So if I've ever been in a fight, TRP is correct in everything it says about men?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 07:54 PM
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But if all you are looking at are particular discussions, then we don't have a common interest to debate. Substitute "the community" for "particular discussions", and fair enough. It was, on net, enjoyable chatting with you. o/
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 03:26 PM
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Your analogy only works if you equate RP/TRP to Christianity, not to one specific sect. No, I made my analogy carefully, by equating the TRP community to the community of a radical Christian sect. I'll explain why in a second. If you talk with radical Southern Baptists, you would be ill-advised to say draw from your conversations that their beliefs are the true representation of Christianity. -- If you want to be able to discern which interpretations are more likely to be valid, you will want to…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 11:47 AM
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