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You’re the type of man all women hate in the work place but you’re not changeable so you’re tolerated. I work with 2 men like you and it’s far easier to play dumb and placate them and complain when they’re gone
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 08:17 PM
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That’s awful. Full stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 02:58 PM
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A lot of abortions happen within LTRs and by women who are already mothers. Not women who are necessarily having sex with a different person every night
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 02:53 PM
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Okay? The point is that if you’re in a committed relationship you under no circumstances be keeping back up options
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 02:56 PM
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Fuck that shit. Stop victim blaming. Rapists rape because they choose to. And that is never ever the victim’s fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 02:46 PM
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Because most men can’t do better because they make for shitty partners and then get upset when all they are left with is shitty female partners
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 06:26 PM
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If femininity was a natural phenomenon it wouldn’t be impacted by nurture. There’s also no singular consensus on femininity and it’s definition has changed through time and cultures. It forced women to be mothers, that doesn’t make someone maternal. Quit drinking the koolaid. If femininity was as natural as it’s being claimed to be nothing about culture or time would impact it. While back in reality the definition of femininity has changed drastically with time and widely varies between cultures
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 12:31 PM
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I promise you it’s not. Women were taught and forced to be the perfect 1950s wife. Again if femininity were natural the definition wouldn’t culturally change and women wouldn’t have to choose, be taught or forced into it. It would be “natural”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 12:01 PM
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Abundance means nothing if it’s an abundance of shit
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 10:55 PM
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Any payment in divorce is based on salary. Men who choose women who don’t make very much take on risk
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 03:26 PM
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Men also get fat with age and if you check dead bedrooms there are women there dealing with the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 03:11 PM
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No men are just allowed to age. The average man is fat and losing hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 01:27 AM
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No it’s not. Men physically peak young as well. They just aren’t shamed for aging a bit the way women are. There’s no privilege women have for a decade
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 08:21 PM
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Women don’t age faster than men. Sorry but that’s just not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 06:03 PM
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Being in a dead bedroom and emotionally manipulative relationship is a choice. Leave it’s an issue. I really don’t understand why we are blaming others for staying with a person we can’t stand
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 01:38 AM
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Have you ever been sexually harassed regularly just because you’re a female existing?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 12:56 AM
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Okay but if they are in a relationship what’s the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 12:54 AM
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If already in a partnership issues of attractiveness should be off the table. And it is self inflicted to believe you need a woman to be happy
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/22 12:47 AM
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Didn’t ever answer the question. What definition of integrity are you using and why is it the only thing needed in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/22 05:03 AM
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High moral compass there
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/22 04:59 AM
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I don’t enjoy casual sex and don’t fuck people who do. So the actual count doesn’t matter it’s the kind of sex had.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 01:08 AM
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No dice. That’s a friendship not a romantic relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 11:51 AM
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He’s kinda short and not all that attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 09:19 PM
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Men choose to put virgin women on a pedestal. Virgins in general aren’t likely to make great sex partners
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 08:43 PM
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This is also a really easy way to get free drinks. My friends and I would do it as it got attention that turned into free drinks. To the point we wouldn’t bring any money to the bar
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 01:10 AM
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There’s no east way to track that. Each parent could take a kid and claim they were the one leaving. In times of crisis cut and dry is the most efficient way to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 07:04 PM
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Men with more than 3 children could leave. Someone had to care for the children, personally I think childless women should have been required to stay as well. But having a parent leave with their children isn’t a bad idea
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 03:15 PM
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Women can go longer for several reasons but a huge being we get touch from friends. Men for whatever reason don’t touch each other and then in the next breath say they are touch starved
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 03:02 PM
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Honestly idk find another virgin maybe? But it’s a red flag that you’ve made it this far with nothing to show for it. Relationships are a skill like anything else, not even just the sex part
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 10:50 PM
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Whelp what did you do from 18 til now? Like I’m not sure why women should be obligated to be attracted to someone with no experience or purchased experience
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 10:17 PM
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Pair off young and start doing the hard work early
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 10:08 PM
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Nope as we wouldn’t be compatible in the slightest. But I’d rather be single than be with a man who paid for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 09:55 PM
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For my view of dating it would change nothing. I wouldn’t be with a man that paid for sex and there’s not a small number of women who feel the same
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 08:03 PM
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You must make thousands an hour for 15 min/day to be such a money loss
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 12:53 AM
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So you waste money too. Excellent But that includes more than cleaning especially if children are involved
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 12:41 AM
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Then you should pull your weight in the home so reminding isn’t necessary
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 12:07 AM
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What I’m saying is men here swear that looks and youthfulness is full stop what sells a woman to a man. Therefore she should be paid for her time for just being on the date. I don’t agree with the base assumption but given that it is what it is then I see no reason for women to shell out for dates as someone else will
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 08:49 PM
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That’s all fine and good but you’re a minority. Until women are valued for intellect/career accomplishments as much as their looks men have no right to protest paying in full. You can’t say women are valued for their looks and then turn around and say but they also need to be financially equal to me who
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 08:35 PM
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This only works if your value women for their income, but since men here swear up and down that women are valued for mostly looks then no they shouldn’t be paying for anything since that’s not something they are valued for
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 03:32 PM
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Then it’s not a LTR. Not possible to have many of them unless you’re quite old. Ahhhh your definition of a LTR is warped. Makes sense. Casual means no strings attached and not committed to each other. You’re really fucking with definitions but at the same time not using tax style relationships. Weird limbo
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 04:05 AM
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You literally must have grown up under a rock or been too judgmental for women to ever share with you. I find it hard to believe you’re a woman and never heard stories. Women would rather die than go through with a pregnancy. This shouldn’t be surprising or shocking in the slightest
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 04:03 AM
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How have you not? Jesus Christ you’re a woman?! That’s even more friggin ridiculous. Shit like this happened in the western world all the time prior to abortions being legal
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 03:49 AM
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Is it really that crazy? Like seriously pregnancy kills and in some cultures socially ruins women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 03:42 AM
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Plenty of married people never tie their assets. Commitment doesn’t come just from marriage. You sound like someone who has never been in a LTR to say it’s just FWB. Are you a teen?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 03:38 AM
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Nah man casual is no strings attached. There’s a fundamental difference you just refuse to recognize it. Marriage isn’t what makes something permanent, it can for some but it’s not a universal that you’re making it out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 03:05 AM
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LTR can be a couple who will never marry. I know plenty of women who had abortions after having children
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 02:40 AM
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Yup I met my partner on an app. I liked that it allowed me to sort on my non starters. So cleared the pool a bit. But at the end of the day how a couple meets really doesn’t matter
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 08:07 PM
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It’s not abuse. I have always told partners before exclusivity is established that I don’t allow porn in my relationships. They are free to leave whenever they feel that rule is too much for them. My partner and I have never had the need to snoop on the other despite all passwords being shared. Passwords weren’t even shared for this reason, more so if an emergency were to occur and access to accounts would be critical
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 08:03 PM
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Yup that’s the compromise of any healthy relationship. One partner might not be in the mood just because the other is. We tend not to shut down each other though and try to be open to trying. Very few cases where one is adamantly not in the mood. You don’t get to scuttle off and watch porn just because your horny and your partner isn’t. Masturbation is always an option but it cannot include the use of porn
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 08:00 PM
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Most people I know met on apps. The people who met organically in my circle is a strong minority
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 07:28 PM
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It would take a level of social/emotional intelligence you likely don’t have. Pretty much since so many men use porn the ones that don’t stick out like a sore thumb. Why would a woman want to be with a man who whacks off to a screen? It’s revolting behavior and honestly makes me sexually turned off instantly
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:18 AM
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None of the men have taken that option to be fair
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:02 AM
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So you’re encouraging people to lie to their partners? It’s blatantly obvious when men use porn. Most do and you can easily easily tell
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:02 AM
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Whelp every relationship I’ve been in I’ve been the higher initiator. To the point where I get turned down
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:00 AM
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I’ll have tons of sex (high libido) but not if wanking off to porn
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 01:43 AM
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Nope it’s pretty obvious. And my partner and I have access to search history/passwords. But like I said my partner will lose it all just wack it off or they can stay and accept zero sex They also have the option if they choose to use porn that I will be free to fuck whomever I choose while they do not get the same option.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 01:40 AM
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Nope but porn isn’t welcome in my relationships. I tell the men I date from pretty much day one so it’s their choice. Only had one issue and I dumped his ass so fast. Ended up groveling and crying at my door, but I told him he made the decision not me
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 12:54 AM
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If you’re in a relationship with me and want to continue having sex then all porn is fully off the table
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 12:37 AM
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If not rude I’m not left alone because a simple no isn’t enough. How is “no I’m not interested” not firm and direct? Men in my experience will keep pestering until you practically yell at them to fuck off
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 01:15 AM
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I’ve found if not as rude as possible I’m not left alone and the attempts continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 06:37 PM
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Opening up about trauma, and yes a lot of these things were hugely traumatic events, is one thing but none of these mentioned ever having gotten professional help. If a friend came to me with this information my response would be that I’m not qualified to help them work through it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 05:35 PM
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Hiding and stuffing down hugely traumatic events is a huge issue. Thats something for a therapist to help with not a girlfriend. I’d never expect my partner to handle that level of shit storm.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 05:21 PM
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A lot of the men opening up here are things that should be dealt with in therapy as they are super fucked up events. I think they went from 0 to 100 and don’t know how to talk about shit without dumping big scary trauma
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 02:11 PM
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I was a nanny for years and it was fucking hard. You honestly sound like all you’ve done in babysit for a few hours. Not been up all night feeding, and then having all physical boundaries pushed by a small child who wants nothing more than to constantly be touching you
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 01:18 PM
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So you’ve never ever done any child care that’s wildly clear
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 04:31 AM
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Even meal planning for a family is a hassle. Dealing with everyone’s preferences (especially kids) and still providing a healthy variety
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 03:36 AM
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Womens household work has historically been undervalued but then men don’t know the names of teachers and doctors. Men also typically are not self starting at home, they have to be asked to complete tasks
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 03:26 AM
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Men do little to nothing in household management and administration. That takes a significant amount of time
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 03:18 AM
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Tons more. Like have you ever seen a household function?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 02:25 AM
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He would need to put in the same level and intensity of unpaid labor in the home that she does.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 02:19 AM
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The average woman makes enough money to live alone. The average woman isn’t in poverty and receiving government support
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 02:17 AM
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Women who can support themselves alone aren’t takers. But you don’t get sex from society as a trade for paying taxes. That’s not how it works by any stretch of the imagination
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 02:05 AM
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I’m not speaking of trivial inconveniences. I’m in a LTR and it makes all of life a compromise. I love my partner deeply but being partnered means that many decisions are joint and can’t be made on the fly. Even down to sex drive. Like when single I could flick the bean at Will or go through long stretches of no sexual urges. When partnered even that basic behavior has to be modified. Most men in relationships don’t prefer to go 6 months without sex have loads of sex for a few months and then no…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 02:03 AM
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And that’s fine but women will say they are fine single it’s the men who tell them they aren’t That’s for men to decide but I will say I’d never be with someone just to say I’m not single if they made my life more about compromising to them than growing together as a couple
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 01:43 AM
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A man shouldn’t be good enough he needs to make life better enough to justify the effort as relationships are a fair bit of compromise and work
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 01:05 AM
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Yes but if there are no prospects that are worth the time and energy then yes it’s far better to be single
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 12:56 AM
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Yes and that enjoyment is carnal. Which is all fine and good but not the same as relationship sex. Which isn’t all that far off topic. The woman in the post described the sex of a relationship and that yearning which isn’t the same as men who yearn to fuck everything that moves
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 10:13 PM
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Casual sex is carnal. The chance of orgasm is also quite low for a woman in casual sex. Orgasm free sex isn’t something women yearn for
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 09:06 PM
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Yeah and she was tying it back to the sex she had in a relationship. She wanted to be wanted in the way she was in her marriage. That’s not casual sex. Nope not traditional at all. Super liberal but have yet to see casual sex to work out well in the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 06:52 PM
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We aren’t speaking of no strings attached sex though. I’d never suggest anyone engage in casual sex. Men and women both desire sex but the way men turn that feeling into anger and frustration that is subsequently taken out on women is a huge difference
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 06:37 PM
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Yeah but the difference is she craved the intimacy of her previous relationship. She wasn’t angry at men for not willing fucking her at the drop of a hat (what the narrative is of men who are sexually starved)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 05:26 PM
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Girl friends all day every day. Male friends usually just want to fuck anyway so they take so much more vetting and walls up behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 03:47 PM
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For a lot of women they do. It’s something my friends and I talk about all the time. If in a fulfilling and loving relationship then the wandering eye disappears. Men have a tendency to always be on the prowl even when in a fulfilling relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 01:05 AM
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You’re already in the LTR you can stop competing. It makes men look immature and paranoid
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 12:06 AM
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Fine don’t believe it. But I know my partner is lying if he says I’m the most beautiful girl in the world. Therefore it means nothing to me. Actions speak so much louder than words. If you’re around girls who need to be lied to then you need to find a new crowd
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 10:58 PM
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I’m not. I don’t aim to be the best at anything. I don’t need my partner to placate or lie to me. I need him to fuck me good and ensure multiple orgasms for me every time. Those actions mean a whole hell of a lot more than telling me I’m pretty
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 10:54 PM
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In the main post? Yes I read them and I thought they were fine as they are statements of reality. You can be desired and also not be lied to
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 09:40 PM
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I’d never aim to be the best on all fronts. That’s a fools errand. Being good enough has been working for years. Paranoia is a huge turn off
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 08:34 PM
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You sound paranoid as fuck. A solid relationship doesn’t have these worries. Constantly worrying about things that don’t matter in the slightest
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 07:49 PM
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Yeah but this isn’t about what men want to hear. It’s statements of reality and reality irks you you’re likely not mature enough to be in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 05:26 PM
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So men want women to lie and say their looks are the main drivers of sexual attraction? Lying to your partner is fundamentally bad advice. Also dick isn’t what drives orgasm so another issue entirely
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 05:13 PM
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You’re assuming that physical attraction plays a huge role in sexual attraction, when in reality it’s only part of it. So many other factors play into it. Personality and treatment arguably play a bigger role in sexual attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 05:06 PM
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Like I desire my partner so much and he constantly turns me on. But he’s also not the hottest man in the world which makes sense as I’m not the hottest woman in the world
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 05:05 PM
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There’s a difference between being attracted to someone and lying to say they are the hottest man to walk the earth
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 04:56 PM
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So are you saying you demand women to lie and say you’re the hottest man in the whole world? Or would you like honesty?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 04:55 PM
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Yeah personality and how I’m treated are the lions share of what drives me sexually. Looks only get a guy in the door but I don’t fuck off of looks alone. I think men are willing to fuck purely off of looks and then act all surprised when women aren’t the same. Like I see hot men daily and the thought in my mind is “oh he’s hot…moving on” it’s not “damn get inside me”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 04:22 PM
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You can want to fuck the brains out of someone and at the same time objectively say they aren’t the hottest man on earth. This isn’t a complicated concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 04:20 PM
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I don’t understand the obsession men have with being the most physically attractive person their partner has ever been with. Physical attractiveness is only one piece of sexual attraction. Like I have never cared if I’m the hottest woman my partner has fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 03:53 PM
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Yeah that’s not easy. You also need a lawyer. Easy is packing up your shit and never seeing someone again. Not to mention if children are involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 02:05 PM
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Divorce isn’t easy. It’s hysterical that you think it is. It’s simply an out that’s not as culturally stigmatized
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:58 PM
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That’s a wild waste of money. Wow I’d never pay for OLD
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 04:49 AM
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People pay for tinder?!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 04:43 AM
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Why are you swiping right on women you’re not attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 04:37 AM
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Nope I don’t think all men are disposable but the ones that only offer sex are
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 02:13 AM
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Depends. I don’t think people should be discounted strictly for being high n. I’m speaking more to men who only bring sex to the table and lack partnering skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:45 AM
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Why spin your wheels in futility? Recipe for disappointment
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:39 AM
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It does to these men, as they want families and stability. But they never developed any skills to get what they want. So now they are just washed up and lonely
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 11:55 PM
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Idk most of the men I went to college with were like this and very few have found an LTR despite wanting one. But they have very little to bring to the table so it’s not surprising. Sex isn’t everything and they are just now learning that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 11:32 PM
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Nah they are common place. Its easy to go to the gym and be good in bed. Community dick men are purely valued for sex and are worthless in all other aspects
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 08:45 PM
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You’re barking up the wrong tree if you think all women are repulsive. Why would you fuck something you find repulsive
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 08:06 PM
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Then you haven’t known everyone. I know plenty of men who were community cock because they were a good lay but not worth the LTR investment since they had nothing else going for them
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 08:04 PM
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Not really. A commodity is a commodity you don’t get to pick and choose. You’re either disposable and worthless or valued and needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 06:36 PM
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Nope most people fucking suck at being in a relationship and that’s why divorce happens. Having expectations that aren’t communicated is typically the issue
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 06:29 PM
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Infatuation clouds logic. Having it be there means there’s a level of stability lacking as you don’t quite know what to expect from your partner. Ever time I’ve felt butterflies or sparks I immediately knew that was a red flag and to dump the individual
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 06:08 PM
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If you’re worth it you never will as divorce wouldn’t happen to you
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 05:44 PM
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Men here complain all the time that they are viewed as a worthless commodity
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 05:44 PM
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Because infatuation is a silly and unreliable emotion. Never to be trusted with something as critical as a long term relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 05:41 PM
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Nah man I grew up in a 6 figure income household and we all did chores. Everyone was responsible for their own shit. None of these tasks take a remarkable amount of time so to say you couldn’t work and be an adult all at once isn’t really a flex
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 05:39 PM
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Nope I assume you’re a well off hot guy. But the way you talk about relationships and spoiling makes me vomit a bit. It’s condescending and frankly why would a woman want to be a mommy to a grown man is beyond me. Like clean and cook for yourself, as any adult should But real love wouldn’t be contingent on your money or her caring for your every need.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:12 PM
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Yeah and relying on something as fleeting as infatuation to build a solid partnership is dumb as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:00 PM
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Nope a spark is a red flag. Usually a sign for me that the relationship isn’t worth it in the slightest.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 03:49 PM
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If it was so easy for men then this sub wouldn’t exist. Women do discriminate but you’re likely to be discounted on another front before n count even comes up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 03:49 PM
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Of course she would as you target a specific type of woman: a gold digger. I just have no interest in having to be a mommy to the man I like fuck. I’m not interested in children. Either you care for yourself as a adult or you are a man child. I’ve dated men like you, which is how I can definitively say it’s not worth it. Being “spoiled” isn’t worth the price of having to care for an adult with the life skills of a child. Nothing dries me up faster than a man who cannot master basic life skills
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 03:47 PM
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I mean honestly I wouldn’t sign up for that life. Seems boring and lacking in direction/meaning. Eeekk nothing is more gag worthy than a man saying he “spoils” his partner. Toxic red flag right there.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 03:35 PM
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That’s not reciprocal. All you did was buy a prostitute who’s a maid during the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 03:27 PM
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Except reality is that if a man is disposable he’s discounted himself from the LTR pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:58 PM
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Except most men don’t qualify for that and those aren’t lasting relationships. Those are temporary flings that in the long run make men a disposable commodity
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:21 PM
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The “spark” is a lie. Your partner shouldn’t give you butterflies. They should be a stable constant in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:17 PM
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About the same I guess. But they no longer have leverage like they used to so it’s becoming harder for them to pair off
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 09:26 PM
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How do we know this? Was it stated explicitly that she has told him she finds him unattractive? No for casual sex the looks bar is high as it’s the only metric being used. For a LTR the looks bar isn’t low but it’s not sky high as looks alone cannot support a LTR. That and looks fade so to base a LTR off them is foolish
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 04:33 PM
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If I was looking for casual sex it’s whatever. But just because someone is good looking doesn’t mean they are a good fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 03:59 PM
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Then there was a goal: emotional pain. And that’s fucked up. If she’s fucking him and attracted to him what does it matter that she fucked other men previously? If she participated in casual sex the looks bar is much higher than for a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 03:36 PM
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Low n, little casual sex, excellent cook, tidy, fit, etc I’m not making any assumptions. I’m simply pointing out that money and looks doesn’t make you the overall catch you think you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 05:38 PM
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I qualify as HVW on all metrics. However you’re fake HVM as you have money and looks but no substance. Substance is where lifelong partnership happens
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 05:27 PM
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That’s where you’re wrong. HVW do care about cheating, your flawed logic isn’t going to attract those women. You’re getting the skinny gold diggers who also won’t be a quality partner to you. Nope I’m HVW. I’ve always seen men like yourself who claim to be HVM, but then open their mouths and show their hand (just like you just did)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 04:32 PM
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I meant you’re likely to cheat. Who cares what you can “get”. Doesn’t change the fact that you’re not a good choice. Nope you’re likely a bad partner given a high N count. I’m not broke and been in a happy relationship for 1/4 of my life
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 04:00 PM
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Yeah but you’re still a terrible partner. The women want your money and body and that clouds the judgement of you fundamentally being of high likelihood to cheat
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 03:38 PM
21

No why would I want to be male?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 10:40 PM
1

They can be held accountable. But to judge women off of the face value of their parents isn’t right
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 04:30 AM
3

Okay? Most of the women I know are tall. See how that means nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 02:02 AM
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Idk what to tell you but I’m in the 99th percentile for women. So asking for a man who’s in the 80-85th for men doesn’t seem like a huge ask
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 01:58 AM
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Requirements: my height or taller (5’10), physically fit for sport/activity of choice, biological male, minimal natural body hair (not shaved) Preferences: dark thick hair, 2 inches taller than me
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 09:52 PM
1

Yes but you can’t blame the child for the issues caused by the parent
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 09:44 PM
4

Seems like we are now blaming women for the faults of their fathers
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 07:56 PM
0

Being hook up material only relies on your looks which will fade. BF material means you have the whole package
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 01:46 AM
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Nope I didn’t see the point in casual sex after trying it which is why I wouldn’t be compatible with someone who did enjoy it. I believe that relationship sex is better so someone who enjoys casual would be fundamentally different from me. My standard is you can have tried but it cannot have been something liked or practiced frequently. So no FWBs or more than 3 ONS and high preference for most of sex as in 90% in relationship. I said that in the first place but clearly had to restate for you
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 06:27 PM
2

I don’t allow porn if you’re fucking me. You can either have a sexually fulfilling relationship in real life or with your hand but I won’t allow both.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 07:35 AM
1

I don’t think it’s stigmatized. Men are the more insecure people I know
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 07:33 AM
2

Nope not at all. I think partners should try to get in the mood when their partner is but no requirement
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:55 PM
6

Men have a choice to go after much younger women. If they don’t that’s on them but it’s not the fault of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:50 PM
2

Wearing children’s clothes as an adult is horrifying and not the flex you think it is. I’m a woman not a girl and it’s not sexy or even healthy to do what you do. Scroll down to the bit where it says ideal bf% by age https://www.healthline.com/health/exercise-fitness/ideal-body-fat-percentage#for-men Ignore the bit about athletes as that implies a much higher amount of muscle mass than you have and you do not qualify as an athlete
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:34 PM
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I have no interest in being unhealthy or horribly unattractive. You’ve got not curves or muscles, thinning hair and sallow skin. You appear to be on deaths door
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:09 PM
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Except your body fat, muscle and bone density. Based on your weight, diet and appearance none of those are fine. Bloodwork isn’t the only determinant of health. You’ve had 4 children which is incredibly hard on the body particularly the density of the skeletal system and your lifestyle does nothing to support or protect your body
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:08 PM
2

Oh definitely. Part of me feels bad that she feels she needs to be so unhealthy just to keep a man around.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 07:47 PM
2

Oh I did. That’s how I found out what she looked like and her “healthy” diet. She even did something as dangerous as having sex 3 days after birth (this she told me)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 07:32 PM
2

I’m glad someone else agrees. She brags about disordered eating and dangerously low levels of body fat and muscle tone
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 07:24 PM
3

Except for the fact that you overall look sickly and on the brink of death. So not sure if you’re trying to sell yourself as “don’t look like me”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 06:45 PM
2

But every man has the opportunity to clear his name. By signing and not getting a test they are giving up the ability to question.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 04:34 PM
3

Nope as the premise is that you’re seeing the condom go on. The only way to prove paternity is via a test. If you choose not to do that test before signing the contract then that’s on you. You ask then sign not sign then ask
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 03:32 PM
1

It’s not fraud. You made a faulty assumption and did nothing to test it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 03:31 PM
3

Doesn’t matter the time to ask questions is before signing not after. That’s true of any contract
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 03:10 PM
3

If you sign something and didn’t do it under duress or threat of death then there is no need to absolve anything. You willing did it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 03:00 PM
1

Oh right…..was it the one that said I get to castrate every man who thinks women aren’t women unless they’re popping out crotch goblins?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 12:47 PM
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Yeah they do. Rampant with casual sex, FWBs, unplanned pregnancies
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 03:31 AM
3

Exactly. More of like a natural consequence. I did something that didn’t align with my values and hated it. Lesson learned
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 03:23 AM
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I had 2 ONS when I was incredibly young (19) because I thought it would be better than relationship sex and trying to get over an ex. I hated it and didn’t do it again. So two out the thousands of times I’ve had sex were casual. Less than 1%. I can understand if someone tries it and hates but I’d never be with someone who enjoyed casual sex. I’ve been with the same person for 7 years and had 2 other relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:23 AM
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Yeah they do. People have crazy fucked up sex lives and I’ll take no part in it. Much easier to find the right person and keep them
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:21 AM
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Most people have really fucked up lives and relationships. I’m not going to be like most people and be an absolute fucking idiot
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 01:15 AM
13

Nope. If I’m friends with someone and fucking them that’s a relationship. But I don’t do casual bull shit
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 11:53 PM
7

I had two ONS and hated it so besides two encounters all the sex I’ve had is in relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 09:29 PM
24

I don’t fuck friends so I purposely avoid this problem
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 09:21 PM
4

False equivalency. A biological female is just that from birth. There is only a small window of time women actually reproduce in and yet they are still women 100% of the time. But women shouldn’t be reproducing if they don’t want to. Too many fucking awful parents (male and female) out there for people to be told it’s their “job” to spawn. But along your same line of logic men aren’t men unless they are impregnating women since otherwise there’s no need for a penis
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 08:25 PM
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For potential breastfeeding of children. But women aren’t required to have children. It’s just a bodily function. Women aren’t considered men when they aren’t reproducing
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 08:13 PM
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Please enlighten me as to what it is. As I don’t see that women have any different job than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 07:02 PM
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There’s no inherent job of being female. It’s a biological determination and that’s it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:24 PM
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And men in the past were getting fucked only because they provided monetary resources needed for survival, not because women found them attractive. So it makes sense that now that women can earn money men aren’t getting duty sex
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 05:20 PM
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Are you implying women should pity fuck men that they aren’t attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 04:46 PM
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In the past marriage was a means of survival. Now it’s not so just being a provider as a male doesn’t really do anything for a lot of women. I appreciate men but I’m not going to be in relationships with them unless they are a net improvement in my life
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 04:44 PM
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I meet all my standards. Wouldn’t have a standard if I couldn’t do it myself
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 03:58 PM
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Not the same at all and children should be raised equally by both parents. Adults shouldn’t be wholly dependent on another as it’s a breeding ground for abuse
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 03:19 PM
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Nope he wasn’t exactly selfish he was just bad but everyone thought he was such a “nice guy” so I stuck it out. He was crushed when we broke up and I said it was all faked.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 02:21 PM
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I had a partner that I overheard bragging to his friends that he made me come multiple times every time. Never made me come once. Faking it is easy especially once you can master fake squirting
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 02:17 PM
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Don’t be obtuse. When I say resources I mean money. Women used to have go pair off for money as they couldn’t make their own. It was a matter of survival. Now women can make that money themselves so men are less appealing if they only provide some money
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 01:32 PM
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Nope I deal with it via therapy and hard personal work and I expect potential partners to do the same
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 01:14 PM
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Since they are my standards I can meet them. Why would I have standards that I can’t meet myself? I’m not a hypocrite like the men who fuck everything that moves but will only marry a virgin
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 12:05 PM
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Yeah but it’s inherently dangerous to make women reliant on men which is why it changed. Men can provide but they need to be wayyyyy more than that since women can also provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 12:00 PM
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Men should also be in therapy as that’s how you work through trauma. It’s a green flag to be in therapy. I was also speaking for myself. Those are my baseline expectations. But resources as your offering aren’t enough for women who have a job themselves. Men also are more career obsessed which is a huge red flag
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 04:27 AM
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Well considering women can provide their own resources men that only provide that essentially provide nothing. They need to deal with their trauma, emotionally intelligent, good communicator, physically fit, homemaking skills, hobbies, etc. This is all baseline of what I expect a man to have
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 04:12 AM
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Nah the idiots marry off by 21 (early marriage has incredibly high risk of divorce) and are back in the pool by their late 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 04:01 AM
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Women no longer have to trade sex/relationships for survival. This isn’t complicated. A lot of men only bring resources to the table and women can now acquire those themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 03:56 AM
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I’m in a LTR with a very quiet and reserved man. We balance each other out but I’m the approacher/initiater for a lot in our lives
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 01:28 AM
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Yeah he offered once and then we both decided we should test as many parts of our relationship that we can. Like stress, anger, living together etc
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 09:53 PM
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He’s offered I’ve denied. I think FDS took a good concept and bastardized it. The rules are fake and we are only doing marriage for the protections it offers to being a family. But the marriage itself won’t change the dynamic of our relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 09:37 PM
2

I’ve been with my partner since I was 20 and 28 now. Planning in the next 2-3 years
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 08:45 PM
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I do too. I’d love a bunch but need to be realistic with the limits of my body. But yeah I’m the raging feminist a lot of men here hate
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 08:28 PM
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I fit your description and plan on having 2-4 children depending on how the first 2 pregnancies go
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 08:19 PM
4

So then this divorce is your fault as you’re unwilling to sacrifice your career for your child. Seems like you’re pretty selfish
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 04:54 PM
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Seems like you’re getting a divorce due you being unwilling to stay home. Easy solution to that one, you’re just unwilling it seems. If a parent being home to raise your child is a strong value then you should be the one to pony up and do it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 04:42 PM
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Well you don’t need a ton of money. You could feasibly do it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 03:33 PM
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Why don’t you stay home with your child since it’s so important to you. Can’t really call someone out for not doing something you’re also unwilling to do
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 02:28 PM
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I can attest to that experience. Lots of gyno procedures don’t have pain management because they were developed by men who thought of women can deal with birth they don’t need analgesics
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 01:39 AM
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That’s not the same. She’s not putting up a fake identity and personality, getting into a relationship, and then doing bait and switch
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 08:48 PM
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That’s a recipe for being broken up with repeatedly. No one is going to trust someone who is fake and then all of sudden “authentic”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 08:39 PM
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Like I said full stop. I rather be forever alone then a fake ass. However I’m my truest weirdest self and found my person so I think it works. You shouldn’t be lying for a job interview either, wtf?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 08:08 PM
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Stage 1 full stop. I don’t want to be with a person who only likes a fake person
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 07:59 PM
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No you just attracted a certain type of women with fake persona and then are surprised when they didn’t like the real you
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 07:29 PM
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Yes it is. It’s the same proportional hit. If it was something like a raw number of $1000 per month, that could be 25% of my pay and 50% of his. There’s not equity there. Instead we both put forward the same % of our incomes so we each have the same % leftover. The fact that I have to explain such a rudimentary concept is astounding. It’s the same as income taxation being based on %
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 11:28 AM
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I make more than my partner and we split evenly in the sense that we contribute the same percent of income to shared expenses. So we both put 20% toward rent. It’s a different raw amount but it’s the same financial hit to our bottom line.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 11:43 PM
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I’d crack open some female anatomy books in the mean time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:30 PM
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At that age it wouldn’t have been a huge dealbreaker if you were open to learning and not just jackhammering your way through
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:26 PM
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Must be exhausting to be this way and incredibly childish
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:10 AM
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I’ve seen pictures of him. He looks fat and lazy, not an ounce of sex appeal about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 02:33 PM
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I’m sorry but your man is actually not a catch in the slightest. He’s about as bad as it gets without some physical deformity
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 02:27 PM
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Which makes none of you really that impressive and this your point is null
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 01:25 PM
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Yeah I was responding to the way it was framed by OP
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 04:25 AM
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I lost my virginity at 18 or 19 (don’t really remember the exact date). I was overweight in HS so ignored. Lost the weight and the virginity
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 02:39 AM
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They’re idiots as your man is lazy fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 11:24 PM
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Yes but you care about being best at she may not value that highly. So you’re projecting insecurity for absolutely zero pay off.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 07:19 PM
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Then you’re projecting your insecurities into her and that’s not fair or loving in the slightest. Especially given you likely have no evidence for this insecurity
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:56 PM
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There’s just as many women as men in that sub with issues. Most of those boil down to failure to talk about sex early and often. Men typically only want to talk about sex when it’s gotten really bad but don’t when it’s really good.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:55 PM
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Getting to be with someone you love is a great reward. I’m not sure why men want to be the best in every category for the women they are with. It sounds exhausting. Like I’ve never even wondered if I’m the best at everything for my partner. He’s choosing to be with me and love men and that’s enough. The insecurity around not being best at all things is astounding
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:10 PM
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That’s faulty logic. Marriages fail because communication dissipates, resentment builds and people overall stop relentlessly pursuing each other. You cannot be the best in every category for someone else. No one on the face of the earth can be that for another person, nor should they try. But you are the holistic best if she’s choosing to be with you. For example my partner makes about half what I do and he’s not the highest paid person I’ve ever dated but he’s so much better in many other categ…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 06:05 PM
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Again if she’s staying you’re better. If you’re not having regular sex that’s one thing but if you are then clearly she’s enjoying it. It is impossible to be the best everything for someone else. You’re setting yourself up for abject failure if that’s your game plan
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 05:58 PM
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Not necessarily the case especially if she makes her own money. Love and attraction for women aren’t just driven by looks. Looks get you in the door but they don’t keep you there. If she married you then you’re the one who got to stay
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 05:56 PM
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That’s the thing if a woman loves you she doesn’t wish they were from someone else. You’re fundamentally not understanding how female sexuality works. It’s not driven from just looks, there are tons of factors that make you the more holistically attractive and loved person she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 05:53 PM
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Yes but she picked you regardless. Looks aren’t everything. Her best could have been a dick so while he was a physical best he was nothing in all other categories
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 05:27 PM
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You’re not coming in second if she chose to be with you. I really don’t understand the line of thought that you’re not her top choice when you’re MARRIED.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 05:18 PM
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Ah yes men being held to a higher standard than “don’t abuse me”. Must be so difficult surpassing such a high bar
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 01:32 AM
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Income can be sacrificed for me as I make good money. It’s way more important that my partner knows how to manage their money and live within their means
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 05:37 PM
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I think men only have the right to care if they too are low n. Otherwise they are just laughable hypocrites that aren’t worth dating. But overall I’ve never been asked about my sexual past I just let men make whatever assumptions they want
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 01:01 PM
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I thought it was quite obvious mens compliments cannot be trusted based on experience. It is the rare the compliment was said just to make my day. Usually the motive is to open the door to something more. I’m not ever interested in that so the compliments are wasted and not genuine. Men also compliment on things I have no control over like my beauty. Whereas women will compliment my outfit or hair style. Women don’t compliment men as men will see it as flirting and add the same motive they have …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 01:37 AM
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What you personally do doesn’t matter as much. A compliment from a man should be treated like a loaded gun. You’re more of an exception which is great but most men aren’t like yourself. Women know complimenting men is dangerous but complimenting women is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 12:57 AM
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For me, if you’re my friend that is where my interest ends. I will not fuck you nor think of you sexually. So if you express feelings I give the option of stifling them or walking away but I will not entertain the idea
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 12:49 AM
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I promise you women can’t wait for the day the “compliments” stop. My mom came home one day realizing it had been over a year and how relieved she felt. Men can have a libido all they want but they don’t need to project it onto every attractive person they come across. Because by doing so women become less and less receptive to that attention. So when I lift or go for a run should I wear a burqa as to not tempt men? Like come on men can control themselves and not verbalize every thought that com…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 12:11 AM
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I’m not mad that men have a libido. I love having frequent sex and that wouldn’t happen without male libido. What I don’t like is being the relentless target of male libido. As a receiver of these “compliments” their frequency and lack of genuineness makes them meaningless. Where as a compliment from a woman will make my day as she’s not trying to get anything out of it How is it genuine to receive a compliment from someone who is only doing so to fuck me? Wearing leggings isn’t an invitation? A…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 12:04 AM
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Yes but men compliment in the hope of fucking. It’s a way to get their foot in the door. Therefore all male compliments should be treated as a loaded gun. If men complimented just for the sake of complimenting that would be a different conversation. Most women I know dress and act in public to ensure men don’t compliment us. Like covering up, resting bitch face, etc. Essentially getting compliments from men doesn’t add to life experience as the motive is corrupt
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 11:53 PM
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The post is about how men are cheated by marrying 28 year old women and not getting the young women they feel are most attractive. I’m saying if men wanted young women so badly they would be marrying them. But they aren’t
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 11:45 PM
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The post is about how men are cheated by marrying 28 year old women and not getting the young women they feel are most attractive. I’m saying if men wanted young women so badly they would be marrying them. But they aren’t
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 11:45 PM
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Nope I love mens libido when I want to fuck that man. But I learned young that most men compliment women to eventually fuck them so they are trying to earn themselves points which is the opposite of genuine.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 11:33 PM
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Forgot to add preference for male children. This is especially apparent in China where people from the one child policy days are overwhelming male
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 11:25 PM
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No they’re not when it comes to compliments. Compliments from men are a bartering chip or an attempt to flirt. Women complimenting each other is genuine
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 11:23 PM
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Men aren’t actually acting on wanting such younger women. If they were then the average age gap would be bigger and it’s only about 2 years
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 11:22 PM
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Compliments from men are a loaded gun and can’t be trusted. If a man compliments me I take it with a grain of salt. If a woman compliments me it’s genuine and regarded highly
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 10:42 PM
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Men can feel however they want. But the data shows they don’t act on that feeling so it doesn’t really matter
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 10:35 PM
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That’s not all that common. Most women have little to no issue finding a willing partner
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 09:44 PM
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Except most women rely on compliments from other women for validation. Compliments from men are more of a loaded gun
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 08:10 PM
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That stalkers will continuously make new accounts to find you
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 02:19 PM
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I'd disagree. Being attractive doesn't make you a quality partner. You can't build a relationship off of only looks
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 06:31 PM
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I'd say a lot of relationships were based off of need and not love for the other person. Now that need is off the table only the actual love matches survive
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 04:07 PM
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It argument is beyond stupid. People can decide for themselves what about their past is important and impactful.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 12:43 PM
1

How so? I like to push myself to be the best version of me and be self sufficient. I do not expect my partner to fill in the gaps of my shortcomings. It’s not his responsibility to deal with. Saying you want a woman to cook and clean because you’re “too busy” has got to be one of the more arrogant and entitled statements you could make.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 11:40 AM
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That’s not a counter to what I’m saying. That individual would say the event that caused the ptsd was impactful. OP is arguing that all past events are level and the same
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 11:36 AM
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I’m proving a facetious point that his idiocy could bite him in the ass
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 11:35 AM
1

I’d lump makeup and style and hygiene altogether into how you present yourself to the world. But again I’d never expect something of others I can’t do myself. So if I were I was a man I’d never require or prefer make up on a woman if I wouldn’t wear it myself
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 04:25 AM
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Nope when people say their sexual past doesn’t matter they mean it doesn’t have a meaningful impact on their life. Everything matters to some regard but things vary in importance. Having consensual sex usually doesn’t have a negative impact. People get to choose what about them and what has happened to them matters. It’s not up to outsiders
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 11:36 PM
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Yes and given that it’s my life I’m the one who gets to decide what has a lasting impact not a person who wasn’t there. That’s exactly what people say when parts of their past don’t matter. They are experts in their own lives and decide for themselves what is meaningful
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 11:32 PM
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It’s not subjective. Dropping my ice cream was an oops that didn’t even make me cry. My rape impacts me to this day and especially in the weeks and months right after I couldn’t handle male touch including hugs from my father. You don’t get to decide what is impactful about someone else’s life. That’s for an individual to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 11:23 PM
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That’s just patently false. Events do not carry the same emotional weight or trauma. Dropping ice cream as a kid was not as life altering as being raped by a boyfriend I trusted
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 11:19 PM
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Ok that’s fine I’ll treat a man like yourself exactly as I did at 18. No sex and shitty hand jobs. You ask and I shall deliver!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 10:59 PM
1

It’s not a trade if they are nearly identical. It’s realizing you need to be similar for long term success and minor skill sets are where you can make trades but aren’t deal breakers. Lifestyle is a hard stop deal breaker
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 07:48 PM
1

Lifestyles aren’t being exchanged they should be as similar as possible. Skills can be traded but not lifestyles. Clearly people don’t vet for this given how many marriages fail. Most people chase their sex drive and lust and then realize they person they chose isn’t compatible long term. Much easier to vet up front
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 06:31 PM
1

Men should be able to do all homemaking skills if they look for that in a partner. Even if the partner will do more there needs to be baseline proficiency. For several reasons. First so they know the amount of effort needed to do the work. Second so they can pick up slack when their partner is unable to their role for any reason. Third any adult who cannot fully care for themselves in all aspects of life is showing that they have lazy mindset which is a huge red flag for a potential partner. I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 05:36 PM
1

Actually I think you fall into the hypocritical asshole category for wanting a less promiscuous girlfriend. Your lifestyle doesn’t deserve that. You can want but it makes you a shitty person. And yes in the long run people need to be similar to build a life together. We wonder why marriages fail, this concept right here that partners can be largely dissimilar
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 05:11 PM
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I’m not entertaining this
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 05:09 PM
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Nope I said being active and healthy is a lifestyle. A specific sport is a skill set that impacts lifestyle. So a runner and weight lifter are both living a healthy lifestyle despite being in differing sports. One could even be competitive but that’s less important than the compatibility of lifestyle. Being able to cook is a skill every adult should have and if they don’t they are fundamentally lacking a life skill. Being good at it is a skill but not a lifestyle. You can be a mediocre cook and …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 05:08 PM
1

Putting on makeup isn’t a lifestyle choice. If someone spends lots of money on makeup that would fall under financial priorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 05:04 PM
1

No idea what the point of that story was outside you both were open to threesomes
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 04:30 PM
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Yup. Wasn’t talking about generalizations just me
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 03:01 PM
1

I think they have self removed from my dating pool so they’ve made my life easier
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 02:16 PM
1

Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 01:13 PM
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Cooking is a skill set. Lifestyle is financial decision making, health (training/eating), where to live, family values, career values, relationship with friends, approach to sex, etc. You’re conflating skills you find attractive in a partner with lifestyle. Being able to feed oneself by cooking is a lifestyle as in the lifestyle baseline of any adult. But being skilled at cooking isn’t a lifestyle choice it’s a skill set. To making amply clear, a person can run as part of their healthy lifestyle…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 01:12 PM
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Wearing make up isn’t a lifestyle both people can have. Approach to sex is. I’m not sure why a man who has only had casual sexual thinks he’d be appealing to a woman looking for a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 01:09 PM
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You can make the first move and ask for consent. I too have kneed men in the balls when they try to “romantically” pull in for a kiss without warning or any body language saying that would be appropriate
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 04:08 AM
1

No it’s not. But lifestyle is a huge variable of compatibility and people overlook that to get a consistent fuck and don’t think long term
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 02:50 AM
1

Approach to sex is far more important. Did they do casual sex for a while and change their mind and have steadfast on relationship only sex? That for me would be fine and could result in a number like 20
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 02:46 AM
1

Either way if you cannot be an active and present father you have no place having children. Your career shouldn’t ever come before your spouse and children
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 02:41 AM
1

You’re dating down in lifestyle and not requiring more than you can achieve yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 02:27 AM
1

That ridiculous number is impossible but it’s not the number that illicits disgust it’s the casual sex. The number could be much lower and all casual sex and it’s still be a non starter. Like if their number was 4 all from casual I’d not be interested really
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 02:14 AM
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Like I said high doesn’t matter, my line for high is personal and arbitrary. But if a man is in his early 30s being higher than 5 isn’t improbable nor a turn off as long as his total count isn’t due to casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 01:48 AM
1

I consider anything more than 5 high so it’s totally probable to have had 5 relationships a trial of casual sex with that number.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 01:43 AM
1

Then that’s even more troubling and likely why lots of relationships and marriages fail
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 01:28 AM
2

Again your example is flawed as cooking is a skill and not a lifestyle. Lifestyle would be two active and fit people who participate in differing sports. You’re also neglecting the concept that lifestyle is a huge part of a relationship and that compatibility there is absolutely necessary to building a life together.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 01:24 AM
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It’s rather rare that your partner/potential partner doesn’t care that you’re a hypocrite. That or it’s a highly transactional relationship like they might be getting money out of it so they throw around a little duty sex and call it a day
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 01:22 AM
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Towards everyone. You cannot trust a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 01:21 AM
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Yeah their choice but it makes for a shitty partner. Hypocrisy is a relationship killer
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 01:18 AM
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A lot of your examples of higher quality wanting less. I have less issue with that besides thinking those people are foolish. But I zero tolerance for people who have high standards for a partner that they cannot meet themselves. And remember I said lifestyles very little of what you list are lifestyles. Although a career oriented man is also an ass for wanting a woman to do all domestic labor for him
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 12:57 AM
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They can love each other they want. Doesn’t make the man any less of an asshole for requiring his wife to be hot when he’s a slovenly fat ass
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 12:48 AM
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Yup 100%. He wants a woman who works hard for a fit figure while he eats his way to obesity
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 12:38 AM
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You’re paying a chef for their skills. Your partner is not being paid (I would assume).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 12:13 AM
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Nope you also lack the ability to read. I said lifestyle standard, breasts are a physical characteristic not a lifestyle
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 12:12 AM
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That’s not a lifestyle standard. I was explicitly clear with that. Please read closely
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 12:11 AM
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Nope you’re an asshole if you hold someone to a higher standard than you can meet yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 12:11 AM
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People can have any standard they want but they are a hypocritical asshole if they can’t meet their own lifestyle standards. This goes for men and women. Like women who want a high earner and aren’t personally working on their careers. I think the advice can go both ways. If you want that without exception you need to improve. If you’re a lazy fuck then lower your standards because you’re not worth someone’s time
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 10:50 PM
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For me the number is irrelevant. I prefer people who do not engage in casual sex. Trying it once or twice is fine but not habitually. Pretty much falls into my lifestyle standards view: if you cannot meet the standard yourself you cannot hold others to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 10:41 PM
3

Oh I’ve had the same experiences. I have a zero tolerance policy for being hit on
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 03:35 AM
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I will say when men try to hit on me I swiftly say no. It can be quite annoying to enjoy an evening with friends and have men just but in to ask how my night is going. Even in college I’d wear a fake engagement ring to keep men at bay
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 02:43 AM
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I've not once wasted my time thinking about this
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 10:04 PM
2

Then your rule is null. Men don’t need that protection or escape route. You can’t provide protection to only one side and then go off on the other side not vetting properly. How so? Both parties would be agreeing to an exchange of household management and child rearing for money. The stay at home person gets half the money and the working person gets their entire household dealt with and children raised. I’m not sure why in your ideal world laws are biased.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 07:19 PM
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Yes and it incentivizes capitalism as more important than what is best for the family unit. I’m not sure how both parents constantly trying to make as much as possible is a good idea. I’m saying that no matter who stays home they should have legal protections given it’s a joint decision. Joint as in both people agree to the arrangement and then legally sign off. Your plight of the anti gold digger incentivizes abuse and lack of escape routes. I think you have a bit of tunnel vision. I’m not sure…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:39 PM
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I’m saying this should be in place whether the stay at home parent is male or female as it’s most often the decision of the couple for someone to stay home. Hence why I said if it’s a joint decision it will be legally documented. The working parent benefits from the unpaid labor of the stay at home parent, it’s a symbiotic relationship. The way you wrote your rule is going to incentivize people to prioritize work over children and I think that’s a huge mistake. I’m saying as a protection to all …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:29 PM
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Couples usually decide together for a parent to stay home. I would amend to say that if that is the chosen path both sign a legal document recognizing it as such. You’re rule as it stands was essentially what used to happen where women could be trapped in a marriage due to not having the resources to leave. I saw that in my grandparents generation and wouldn’t want that for any stay at home parent (male or female). I also come from the perspective of being the breadwinner with a stay at home fat…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:19 PM
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Number 3 would only work if both had full time income. If a couple chooses for one to be home full time and the other to work then income should be split evenly since that would be a joint decision. As is you’re saying that a stay at home parent provided nothing to household
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:05 PM
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Nope I’m plenty empathetic but it was learned. It’s not a default. To both society and women. It was tried and women realized that they didn’t all want the same thing. I have no issue for women who choose it but it doesn’t make it the best or only choice for women. High marriage rates aren’t an indication of a healthy society. If women were meant to stay home they wouldn’t need complex functioning brains. They could stop developing as a child since that’s all they would need
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 03:04 PM
2

No one said they are but doesn’t mean women should restricted to the home.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:44 PM
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My partner and I split everything. Bills are split by each of us putting the same % of our income into the shared pot. Then we look at everything else as equal partners. We both put in the same number of paid and unpaid hours a week. So if one of us has extra work hours the other picks up the slack at home in unpaid work. But at the end of the week the same amount of time was spent on labor
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 01:13 PM
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Option 1 with modifications is my partner and I’s plan. We will both work, live near family so have a community of support for child rearing (aka how it used to be done), I’ll work from home most of the time, and if need be he will drop hours at work to cover the home Having one person solely at home isn’t great. That person ends up putting in way more hours which can build resentment
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 01:10 PM
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You’ve clearly never listened to women speak if you think we are empathetic or even better at learning the skill. Laughable. It’s a disservice to relegate part of the population away and remove their free choice. Besides that we have tried it and it didn’t work, women wanted more from life than barefoot and pregnant. Personally it sounds like a nightmare
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 12:55 PM
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Men have more hyper intelligent but they also have more hyper stupid. The range is wider, women cluster a bit more with less of a range to the extremes. Different doesn’t mean incapable. Especially given how many jobs don’t require physical strength
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 12:53 PM
1

There’s no reason to. If someone has chosen to exclusively fuck you there’s no reason to know what they fucked previously.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:24 AM
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I’ve asked him to recount. He’s clearly guessing because he has no idea. I don’t keep mementos, journals, etc. Why do you care in depth about someone’s past. I’ve never even wondered about my partner’s sexual past. I find men who care to be really fucked in the head and quite immature
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:13 AM
1

Hhmmhhh women are all the same. Yet my partner of 7 years doesn’t know how many partners I’ve had nor how many relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:00 AM
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I’m in the US and sexual harassment is pretty common for me. Being followed when running. Attacked once, thwarted a few other attempts
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 03:18 AM
1

How does having casual sex act as a counter point?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 03:17 AM
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Modern women do but you already have shown disdain for them so unlikely you’ll date them
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:35 AM
2

Nope but empathy is learned. And women are intelligent. It’s a disservice to relegate them to strictly the home
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:33 AM
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Not the ones who want well rounded and emotionally intelligent children. Nothing is uglier than a man who cannot communicate clearly his emotions
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:32 AM
2

And yet women also have brains that work just as well as men’s. Men can be gentle and empathetic, more often than not they choose not to
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:14 AM
1

It's mutual not one sided and in most vows. Pretty standard practice world wide
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 07:45 PM
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The particular avenue of consumption I feel is irrelevant since the content is nearly identical. And I did answer your second question. Consumption of true crime didn't change my paranoia. Men have been fully capable of making me paranoid all on their own. When I was in the dating market I took lots of precautions (that men think are wild) when in the early dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 07:37 PM
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I love true crime but my paranoia comes from real life experiences with men following and attacking me. Not to mention unending sexual harrassment. Caveat I live in an incredibly safe, family friendly area and this still happens. I always carry personal defense on me
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 07:18 PM
1

People in marriages have the ability to leave through no fault divorce they just have negative consequences with that decision. If you want an easy out you're not cut out for lifelong partnership. Death is the out if you're serious about your vows. You're also assuming people in a relationship are at war with one another which they shouldn't be so your analogy falls apart from the start
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 05:18 PM
2

Ehh not that weird, friends are in the lovey dovey stage and unlikely to see red flags. The one time a friend didn’t listen he ended up beating her when drunk and we all told her it was a huge possibility of happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 04:12 PM
1

Then that’s the fault of the individual. People who stop pursuing their spouse don’t understand how marriage works
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 03:21 PM
1

And lots of low n women have all those traits as well. Hence it’s a super faulty set of metrics
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 02:26 PM
1

Nah man a relationship isn’t a job because that means there’s a hierarchy and in a marriage there’s not. You’re both completely on equal footing
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 01:51 PM
1

You’re describing gold diggers. Date and marry women in the demographics with low divorce and make sure you meet them as wel
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 01:46 PM
2

Then it’s young and immature boys not anyone worth considering
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 02:17 AM
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It’s really not since women don’t care about the opinions of immature boys. No man I’ve ever dated have ever asked me my number or my sexual history in any form.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 02:07 AM
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I’ve heard the talk but I’ve never been asked by someone I was interested in. It seems like such a childish thing to care about, I equate caring about it with immaturity
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 01:56 AM
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Not really most of the time married women will in fact name the father. I’m just pointing out the protections in place for women. But irrespective of all this if a man is unwilling to promise (with marriage) child support if he leaves then he’s showing a lack of accountability. But then again I’d not get a divorce except for a select few reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 11:41 PM
2

I mean both are valid and I’ve heard of both happening. Even when married, nurses will talk to the woman alone to see if she’d like the man left off the cert in case she’s being abused. It’s common practice to a birthing mom to be asked questions as such alone for her own safety.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 11:34 PM
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It’s not vindictive some states if unmarried don’t allow a father to be named
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 11:27 PM
1

I don’t actively hide it the same way I don’t actively hide what my shits looked like each morning. It’s a topic that matters so little it’s not worth the breath to discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 11:26 PM
5

Exactly even in egalitarian countries women do more admin work
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 11:24 PM
4

The alcoholic part is not, the being the fault of the divorce though yes. I’m lucky though in the fact that most people I know aren’t divorced and in thriving marriages
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 11:12 PM
4

You lose your assets to your children in the form of child support. It seems more like you don’t want to pay for your children unless you’re fucking their mother
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 11:11 PM
1

Pass out you mean? Not sure in what scenario you’re with women who aren’t conscious
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 11:10 PM
5

Yes and across cultures women handle the admin work of the household
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 11:09 PM
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No I’m saying that having children is much easier in marriage. Why would a woman stay with a man who won’t marry her? He’d be incredibly untrustworthy. It’s not fear mongering it’s simply reality. You don’t have a legal claim to children if not on the birth certificate or adopted. As a woman I’d never reproduce with a man who couldn’t provide the security that comes with marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 11:06 PM
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It logically makes sense. The person who does the paperwork will continue to do it. Anecdotal yes but likely a common scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 11:02 PM
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You realize if not married she can exclude your name from the birth certificate and then up and leave at any point with your kids? If not listed as the father you’ll have no access to them
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 10:22 PM
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Because women carry out most of the administrative tasks in a hetero marriage. Also the cause of the divorce could be the man but he may be unwilling to divorce. Example: friend’s parents the wife filed because he husband had become a raging alcoholic and lost his license so couldn’t file
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 10:17 PM
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Misuse of a stat isn’t worth my time. 80-90% of women file the paperwork which isn’t surprising doesn’t mean they are solely at fault for the divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 10:11 PM
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Yes because marriage conveys benefits to spouse and family and is a public declaration of the relationship. Someone opposed to marriage is someone looking for the option of easy escape
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 10:05 PM
2

Yeah but why would previous partners make someone uncomfortable unless you view your partner as a sex object?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 09:03 PM
1

Maybe a passing comment but there’s not been a single conversation about it because it doesn’t matter. I chose him and love him and fuck him and that’s what actually matters. Riddle me this…..what’s more important: the relationship I’ve dedicated over a quarter of my life to or the previous ones? Except he won’t. There’s nothing about a woman’s personality that divulges her sex life. My friends and I are remarkably similar and our n counts range from 3-19. You’d never know who was who.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 08:43 PM
6

Exactly!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 08:38 PM
2

If it doesn’t matter it doesn’t need to be shared. My partner also doesn’t care about the size of my dump this morning so I don’t tell him. I place no value in virginity and no value in people who prize it. Shows lack of maturity, highly insecure and jealous type. All of which is something to avoid in a long term partner
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 08:27 PM
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Nope actually not the case at all. My partner is the oldest of the bunch by several years. The rest of the men are all in their 20s with women in their 20s. Nice try though!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 08:26 PM
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It doesn’t matter for any mature and securely attached adult. Insecure and codependent people care but those people aren’t prepared for a relationship then. Why do you care so much about who a woman has fucked and why? I would never share such information even knowing I’m “ideal” to a lot of men. I literally do not care about my partner’s past sex life at all. I don’t care if he fucked the hottest woman in the world. I don’t care who he dated or had flings with. It has absolutely zero impact on …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 08:18 PM
1

But it doesn’t matter if you’re an adult. What matters is how you’re treated in the relationship. Nothing says “I view my partner as only an object to fulfill my sexual needs” more than wanting to know how many and what kind of penises she’s been with
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 08:14 PM
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What does your sexual past have to do with respect or attraction? It’s a much larger red flag for a man to ask as it shows he is treating me as an object that he wants his penis to dominate. Nothing makes someone feel more like a sex object than a man wanting the nitty gritty details of her past sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 08:13 PM
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It has nothing to do with character or honesty. What is dishonest about not disclosing information that doesn’t matter? What m about someone’s character is determined by the sex they have had? Somethings just don’t matter. If these men are in happy, sex filled, loving relationships how exactly are they losing out?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 08:03 PM
6

He has no idea actually. We decided past sex and relationships don’t matter. He doesn’t know how many men I’ve been in a relationship with nor how many I’ve slept with. I also know nothing of his past in that regard because it doesn’t actually matter. I have no reason to lie about me number because I attach no value you to it. It’s just a fact about myself. Men are notoriously bad at actually knowing. Most of my friends boyfriends have made guesses in front of me and they all think the girlfrien…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 08:01 PM
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Except not really. I have a friend who fucked countless men in college and her current partner thinks she’s a Demi-god. Men can tell very little unless a woman is purposely flaunting her past.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 07:57 PM
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Because it doesn’t really matter if I chosen a particular man to be with. I’ve been with my partner for 7 years and it’s literally never come up. If it truly bothered him he would have asked by now. I’m also low n and my partners are mostly from relationships. So I have nothing to hide but it truly doesn’t matter
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 07:42 PM
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I’ve never had any man ask me about my sexual past except for STD screening. I’m not sure where all these men are that care so much about a woman’s sexual history
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 07:18 PM
5

Because I move through the world thinking most people will be average or a standard deviation away. If anyone, male or female, contradicts that expectation it catches my attention. Hot men think I’m checking them out but in reality I’m just surprised someone was outside of the expected range. It’s completely lacking in a sexual connotation
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 04:25 PM
5

Typically body parts aren’t enough. I need to be attracted to the person as a whole to “get my motor running” as you put it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 04:23 PM
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Checking a man out doesn’t mean much. I’ve ogled at incredibly ugly men as much as attractive ones. Essentially my attention is caught if someone is farther from baseline
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 04:20 PM
1

I wouldn’t go because I have a life and LTR that I have no intention of giving up. I’d also not likely ever date someone who wasn’t from a similar cultural background if your scenario did take place
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 01:55 AM
2

Never had an issue dating a man taller than me. It’s actually been a non issue in terms of what I’ve faced dating
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 01:55 AM
0

You can befriend women and never fuck them. Wild concept
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 01:24 AM
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It really doesn’t. I’m 5’10 so 99th percentile of women but 6’ men make up 15% of the population. Numbers are still on my side
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 01:18 AM
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I'd say it's probably evenly distributed with the vast majority sharing blame in terms of allowing the relationship to deteriorate with the most common reason being failure to communicate and working off of uncommunicated expectations. Whether it be regarding money management, sex, household chores, children, people stop prioritizing communication and that is when resentment builds
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 03:40 PM
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Just because a woman files the paperwork doesn't mean it's her "fault". Marriages that fail typically aren't one sided unless someone is unfaithful. But to use that stat without caveating the nuance is improper weilding of stats. Women do more administrative work within marriages so it's not surprising they also file the paperwork. A prime example is my best friend's parents got divorced recently and the wife had to file as her alcoholic husband lost his license and couldn't do it. Doesn't make …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 03:32 PM
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2/3 of my boyfriends I asked out in real life. First was a college party with a little liquid confidence. The second was a gym buddy who was my long time spotter. My current, and best, boyfriend met on OLD but I made the move to meet in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:53 PM
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They could be if they had interests outside of their job. I’m white collar and a lot of the guys I work with have isolating hobbies and no interest in physical fitness/active lifestyle. I’d drop the salary interest if they have nothing else going for them
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 01:50 PM
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How so? Why wouldn’t you want emotional intimacy with a partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 11:47 AM
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Whelp good luck finding a woman who stays long term. I’ve left many a man who couldn’t explain his emotions coherently
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 03:43 AM
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Nah I don’t blame current men in such a way that individuals are at fault. Both sides want the best outcomes for themselves and a patriarchal culture serves men more than it serves women. To change that both have to be willing to give up the benefits of the old way and be more egalitarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:00 AM
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I think the post outlined how men aren’t to blame and that they too suffer from the effects of such a society
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 01:48 AM
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Emotional intimacy is crucial for a healthy relationship and a lot of men lack the skill set
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 12:29 AM
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A singular example. They still owned their daughters and wives. They may have had limited choices but choices nonetheless. I mean it makes sense if men have submission from women they are the ones who get punished. What’s GoT?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 11:50 PM
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So? I’m not sure what your point of one love story was. Very much a whatabout-ism that gaslights the generations of women who suffered and submitted because they had no other options in life. Legal in the sense that no one gave a shit that they were there and men openly participated in them
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 11:19 PM
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Why do women earn less. Typically women are viewed as less and then aren’t promoted. If trad systems worked flawlessly women around the world would choose them, pull their daughters from school because they wouldn’t need it and be singing praises of the system
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 10:54 PM
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Men have always been able to pick up and leave. As they had the resources they could leave. The abuses women faced was far more common place than the reverse. Once again these stories were common for middle class women as well. If trad roles were great and had high levels of success women would choose them without thinking twice
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 10:53 PM
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Seems like he fucked a student which is frowned upon today as well. Brothels were also highly prominent and even the poorest men partook
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 10:51 PM
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Once again if these roles were so great for women we would all freely choose them. But given how much abuse was rampant in these set ups women told other women that of given the choice go for independence.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 10:07 PM
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Nah man. Poor women worked out of the home and so did their children until child labor laws were put in place. I do wash a lot of clothes by hand. It takes maybe 30 minutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 09:55 PM
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There’s nothing pleasant about being second class to your spouse and being an extension of his property. That traps women and leaves them incredibly vulnerable to abuse. If traditional roles were so great for women, there wouldn’t be the horror stories passed down through the matrilineal sphere and women would all willingly choose them. You do realize in the a truly trad set up it was the women who got the allowance as they weren’t allowed access to money without their spouse being present
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 09:54 PM
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You were. Plenty of men chose to go stag and didn’t face many repercussions within society. Men were not chained as they could leave when they wanted and fuck whoever they wanted. If they wanted to ruin a woman they could if they wanted to be abusive they could without anyone stopping them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 09:46 PM
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How is a man as “head of household” and sole provider of finances at a loss for agency?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 09:39 PM
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Except for the fact that women stayed home only in wealthy families starting in the mid 1900s in the US. Prior to that, unless wealthy women worked too. Children can benefit from having a parent at home, however it doesn’t need to be the vagina owner
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 09:09 PM
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Traditional roles were most beneficial for men not women, as they removed women’s agency and means to be independent should the relationship sour
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 08:56 PM
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Nope not really. You cannot fault people for making changes in their lives as they age. If you do take issue with it, then it shows you like to wallow in self pity and that’s truly an unattractive quality
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 08:18 PM
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Then you cannot actually say what women found incompatible. They could have all found something different incompatible with them. Though, the chemistry bit leads me to believe you might have been a love bomber but that’s purely speculation
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 07:55 PM
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You dont talk to men you’re not married to?? Wow so many red flags it’s scary
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 07:54 PM
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I am about your age but I remember what it was like to be a really young woman being hit on by what we referred to as “old men”. It was always creepy and even more so if they said something like they aren’t even attracted to women their age. Men in their late 20s and beyond looked it and had nothing in common with us. It was a sexual fetish and that was gross. Barbara Palvin looks her age
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 07:52 PM
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It’s just sex to you, we are different people. Nope I literally feel zero attraction to men unless we are strictly monogamous. Dry as the Sahara Nothing about living with a bunch of men defines womanhood
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 07:50 PM
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How is sitting at a desk masculine? Sitting is one of the more feminine things a person can do. You seem to have a fetish where you’re in a dom/sub relationship and don’t make decisions for yourself. Adult men don’t need taking care of, they aren’t children. Please outline what an adult male needs that’s not a basic life skill of all humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 07:46 PM
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I have a 6 year gap in my relationship. And that is the absolute most I would do. Should anything ever happen to that relationship I probably wouldn’t go for anything more than 2 years apart. It was creepy when I was young because it was a red flag that there was something wrong with the man that he couldn’t date women his own age and that he was targeting a woman that much younger because she would be naive and malleable. Older men would hit on my friends and I constantly and it was never taken…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 07:43 PM
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Oh gawd you follow them? Whelp that explains a lot. But what it doesn’t explain is why I’ve been in a super successful LTR, have a job and can still seem to find time to be super active. You make it sound like having a job and living an active lifestyle are things that cannot be accomplished together
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 07:40 PM
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You’re more often than not going to be seen as creepy. Especially by women in college who have access to men their age. I dated up by a few years but it was by the time I was nearly done with school. What would be the red flag is that you’re not attracted to women your own age which would mean our relationship would have me aging out
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 07:29 PM
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I do all those things plus working full time, minus make up as it’s truly unnecessary. I also don’t partner with men who act like over grown children and can’t care for themselves. I like to interact with and partner with adults who have a full range of adult skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 07:27 PM
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It is but you also allow your husband to pimp you out as a trade for other women so we are very different. I don’t get wet unless I’m attracted to and emotionally invested at that only ever happens with one man at a time. Why would I want to live with a bunch of men who “bro out”. I’ve seen the way men live together and it’s not pretty
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 07:20 PM
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Once again not selling it. Money is off the table as a motivator as I want for little and have ample money for myself. There are women in this world that don’t aspire to be lazy fucks
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 07:19 PM
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It’s not the same in the slightest. Sex is more than a physical act for me and I only am sexually attracted to one person at a time. Guys have friends to hangout with regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 06:58 PM
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Even worse
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 06:56 PM
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I do like men. Doesn’t mean I want to deal with them en masse. I’m not expensive for one man so try again in selling it
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 06:51 PM
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Money isn’t a guarantee and I have my own money. You’re operating on the assumption that women cannot earn their own money. And none of what you suggested is worth the money
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 06:41 PM
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Yeah why would I want that? You’ve not sold polygamy in either direction as being beneficial nor have you addressed ways to absolutely prevent the abuse that’s common and accepted in polygamy
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 06:40 PM
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I wouldn’t do that either. Poly any way isn’t ideal
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 06:35 PM
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You linked to a random sketch. Off topic. Stay on topic
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 06:35 PM
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Why you make faulty assumptions about all women based on what you like. Why would I want to share a man or get left fucking some random woman? Why would I want resources shared? Why would I want to live with other women and their children?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 06:34 PM
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Personally that sounds really depressing. And nah polygamy is rampant with abuse worldwide. Especially when it comes to child marriage and abuse
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 06:33 PM
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Please do me a favor and research the rampant abuse and child marriage found in polygamy. You’re speaking of theory and not reality. You make several assumptions that aren’t universal so not worth really diving into
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 06:23 PM
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Polygamy in recent history is rampant with abuse both domestic and sexual as well as child marriage. It rarely if ever works smoothly. You’re not from the US but it’s been imploding here for decades
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 06:22 PM
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Again that’s great for men and not for women. You just confirmed my point. You also aren’t addressing how poorly polygamy has treated women in the recent past, not to mention the distant past
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 06:10 PM
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They have worked for men not women. You clearly aren’t fluent on how poorly women have historically been treated in polygamy
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 05:54 PM
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Are they all saying the exact same thing because rejection alone isn’t a trend. The reason is where the trend comes into play
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 05:11 PM
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Nah man like normal weight training not body builder bull shit. I do more volume than most people and if I weighed that little I’d be nothing more than skin and bones. To put it in perspective I’m 5’10 wear a size 6 and yet due to muscle mass am at the upper limits of healthy BMI. Most people assume I weigh 25 pounds less than I do because they cannot conceptualize women carrying muscle. If I was at 0% body fat with my current lean mass I still would be way above 18.8 BMI
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 04:45 PM
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Nah man I exercise plenty and with the muscle mass I carry it’s impossible to weigh that little. Just like in men, women’s muscles respond to stimulus in the same way. So strength training results in increased strength and muscle mass
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 04:35 PM
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Nope I just did a glance at her profile after she insulted me in the past
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 04:29 PM
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Yup I would because neither are healthy lifestyles for the subject of the kink. This woman is severely underweight, doesn’t carry necessary amounts of muscle or fat, and eats very little compounded by the fact that her diet is deficient in most macro nutrients
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 04:16 PM
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So? You’re going to let the opinions of random people truly dictate how you live your life? The only thing you should potentially reflect on is if there is a trend or theme.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 11:53 AM
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Tell me, why would an adult human voluntarily say I’m not capable of making my own decisions if not deeply entrenched is misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 11:52 AM
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Because most male attention is guys somehow trying to get into your pants. Even in a LTR random men approach all the time and I shut them down swiftly.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 02:26 AM
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That seems low given that the average women in 1960 was 140.1 pounds. I think you underestimated a bit
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 01:58 AM
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Why do you place your value and self worth so much in the opinions of people who don’t care about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 01:54 AM
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Yes because I wouldn’t let my friend be so insecure and pathetic. I don’t do pity parties and “woe is me”.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 01:07 AM
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Depends on motive. For instant gratification it’s fine but if you ever want a LTR looks aren’t enough
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 01:06 AM
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I don’t think you’ve really well versed yourself on the pitfalls of polygamy and how horrendous it’s been to women and child brides
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 12:16 AM
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My dude I do not put that much value in the opinions of people I barely know. They could say I was the most beautiful woman in the world or the ugliest and neither would be worth anything to me. I think you need to really dig deep and try to figure out why you care about the opinions of others so much. Random peoples opinions shouldn’t send you spiraling whether positive or negative
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 11:53 PM
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Whelp good for you but you sold it as a universal which it’s not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 11:34 PM
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Nah man I’m just not placing my value in what other people say to me. I can’t tell you how many times men have insulted my looks when I said I wouldn’t fuck them at a party. I do not put value in the words of people I don’t trust. You can be emotionally vulnerable and still not care what random people say to you. But then again you don’t live with catcalling daily so you may lack practice in ignoring people who don’t matter
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 11:33 PM
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That doesn’t sound appealing to me as a woman. Why on earth would I want to share a home and partner with multiple other women and their children?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 11:26 PM
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No they wouldn’t be hurt. Why would I care about the opinion of some random man I just met? I’m not that insecure. You seem to give other people a lot of control over you. That’s really not healthy
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 10:55 PM
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Those are still incompatibilities. You just happen to take them very personally. If someone thinks you’re not attractive enough for them then they believe you’re incompatible in terms of looks. Inadequacies are just a subset of incompatibilities. Which is why I don’t understand why you’d care or want to be with someone who views you as incompatible with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 08:31 PM
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If I was a zero at my height (5’10) I’d look like I was on deaths door
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 08:05 PM
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Looks get you in the door but if that’s all you’ve got then you’ll be shown the door pretty fast
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 08:02 PM
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I’m saying a woman lowers her overall utility by being submissive and sets her self up for failure since men very rarely are the superb leaders they think they are. You’re also removing a woman’s agency by doing so and that’s abhorrent. Women who choose that lifestyle are typically damaged and brainwashed
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 07:51 PM
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I have a small waist proportionate to my height. I have lots of muscle definition even at my current fat level. Body fat is crucial for women and you have a dangerously low amount. I’d never put my health at risk for someone else’s kink. Nope I don’t think that’s enough body fat in the slightest. Women need more. The one time I did try to cut that low I was incredibly unhealthy. Again not unlike yourself. Your diet will lead to lots of issues in old age if it hasn’t already. You can’t workout or…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 07:49 PM
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At 15% I’d look like I was on deaths door, not dissimilar to yourself. It probably took years due to how lacking your diet is. Putting on muscle is hard but not that hard. My man likes a nice ass and tits both of which I would lose at such a low bf%. That and it wouldn’t be enough body fat to support crucial systems at a healthy level
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 07:38 PM
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You’re beyond skinny. Seeing bones and having as little muscle mass as you do isn’t healthy in the slightest. Your body fat level is that recommended for professional athletes. Fit to plain healthy women can have between 21-31%. Not to mention your muscle mass is incredibly low and diet abysmal
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 07:08 PM
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We’ve spoken before and you’re severely underweight because your husband has a weird boney anorexic kink. Women can and should carry more muscle and fat. You’ve also described what you eat and it’s not enough and severely lacks in protein
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 06:38 PM
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Size 0 is practically that of a child
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 04:56 PM
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Yeah it’s really weird to hold on to them. Standard practice should be to fully delete them when no longer with the person
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 01:59 PM
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All of those reasons show me that you justify idiocy in men. You cannot have love and relationship without compatibility, especially applicable to your last one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 01:31 PM
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That whole first paragraph you’re describing that you were incompatible with those women. If a woman found you compatible and adequate she would date you. If you are hearing the line then she’s has decided you’re not compatible with her. I don’t stay friends with exes. I’ve had my heart broken but it was due to incompatibility
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 01:27 PM
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Incompatibility isn’t inadequacy. You’re conflating two wildly different things. Another issue entirely is you looking at platonic friends as anything more
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 10:04 PM
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If he realized that she was no good he should have stopped himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 10:03 PM
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Nope not at all since he is freely giving her oral sex. One sided enjoyment really doesn’t apply to this. I’m talking about sex where both are going into seek an orgasm. Men often are incapable of finishing a woman once they have finished themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 09:43 PM
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Nah man in all scenarios those women identified you were not compatible in some way
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 09:39 PM
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I didn’t say he’s morally in the wrong but it doesn’t change the fact that I’m a human flesh light if I allowed the sec to continue. It does make him a bad lover to not get a woman off. It’s not treating him like an object it’s merely enforcing boundaries. Men can learn with me but I’ll not allow them to use my body to finish in the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 09:29 PM
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Nah man you’re rule is the exception. When something like that is said it truly means the two people are incompatible but still good people
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 09:22 PM
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I want children and my best guy friend doesn’t
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 09:22 PM
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What do you mean? He’s a great guy but doesn’t want kids and loves dogs. The opposite of me so I can see he’d be great for another woman
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 09:06 PM
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But that’s not what the post said. It was pretty cut and dry. Anyone can say you’re a catch but realize you’d be incompatible as a couple. This isn’t a wild concept
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 08:54 PM
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You’re saying for a woman to be high value she has to be less than you and that’s awful thinking. Like truly abhorrent and I feel sorry for any woman you trap and ensnare in that
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 08:21 PM
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You can mean it and realize that you’re not compatible with them. One of by best guy friends and I have discussed at length why we would be horribly compatible. I can know this and still think he would be perfect for someone
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 08:10 PM
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You can easily see someone as a catch and know at the same time you wouldn’t be compatible with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 07:35 PM
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One of my best guy friends knows we would be fundamentally incompatible and yet we can both be encouraging of one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 07:29 PM
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Actually it does mean less value. There’s actually nothing about women that makes them less or lower than men, unless you use some batshit crazy religious reason. I think that 80% figure is absolutely a load of shit. Women having no other choice doesn’t equate to enjoyment of the role. You see them as higher value because you want to be dominant and have the final word which only tells me you’re a little fucked in the head
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 07:20 PM
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I didn’t say it was deliberate. But that doesn’t change the fact that he’s not allowed to use my body to finish if he cannot return the favor. Deliberate or not I’m not a flesh light and won’t be treated as such
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 05:33 PM
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No but it means they don’t have the means to have sex with me. Again my body my rules. I’m not going to pity fuck a man
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 05:15 PM
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I don’t have time for the men who can’t. Their lack of skills isn’t my problem and frankly most women are better off if they stood their ground
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 05:03 PM
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Nope it wasn’t our first 2 encounters. We had been dating a while and he thought he could get away with lazy sex
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 04:51 PM
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Funny as my current bf gives me on average 3 orgasms per encounter and we’ve been together for 7 years. Only took 2x of me ending the encounter for him to take my words seriously. I don’t care about other women and their hang ups. I’m not going to have sex without orgasm because frankly it’s not worth it. I’d say if men find issue with that, I’d like them to have sex over and over again but do not get to finish
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 04:33 PM
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That’s not the same thing at all. Men nearly always orgasm, if they can’t return the favor they’re bad lovers. A man doesn’t have the right to use my body for an orgasm if he can’t ensure mine. Giving a woman an orgasm isn’t painful to the man. I also don’t force them to work through pain I just end the sexual encounter Your example is completely self serving
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 04:24 PM
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Tough shit. If you’re planning to orgasm you need to return the favor. My body isn’t a flesh light
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 04:21 PM
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Nope not in the slightest. I like active sex, but I do not condone selfishness and jackhammering. Also if a man sucks a foreplay even with instruction it’s over before it even started
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 04:10 PM
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I state what I like, give opportunity for instruction to be followed, and if the man is either incapable or too lazy then the sex is over. My body my rules. Im not going to let a man use me as a flesh light with a pulse. The right to sex with me is earned
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 03:55 PM
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By definition if you’re submissive you are less than the person who is dominating you. People can and should be each other’s equals. There’s nothing about being male that makes you better and worthy of having people blindly submit to you. Wanting a submissive woman is removing her equality of opportunity. Yes but you want a submissive woman. High earners don’t want low earners. Being submissive puts women at high risk of abuse with no recourse
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 03:53 PM
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I know I’m not and men aren’t entitled to use my body for sex on anything but my terms. If men want to have sex with me my requirement is at least one orgasm or I end the encounter before they finish
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 03:49 PM
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If you want to have sex with a woman her orgasm is your responsibility. I will stop sex mid acting it becomes clear the man doesn’t know how to get me off
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 03:36 PM
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That’s your way of selling it. Being submissive is by definition making women the inferior sex. That and nothing about men makes them inherently better to hold that kind of power over another human. You can love caring for your family and not want to be in submission to a man. My parents marriage is a prime example
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 02:18 PM
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I need my partner to be my equal. I find it infuriating and relationship-ending when men get comfortable and expect me to clean, cook, and take care of them. Nothing is a bigger turn off than being a grown man’s mom. As a result, sex life tanks as I’m not turned on by a man child.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 01:39 PM
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My preferences are what I vet men on. Men who don’t meet them don’t make it very far
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 01:36 PM
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Nope. Someone can have had fun when young and then want very different things once they want to start a family. Nothing is wrong with either
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 01:04 AM
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Yeah so she’s his inferior. By definition she’s less than him. You don’t need to be submissive to know how to cook and clean, but men should also have those fundamental life skills. No way in hell does a woman want to be a grown man’s mommy
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 10:46 PM
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It’s wrong if it doesn’t work. Based on divorce stats and how many men complain about it they could vet a hell of a lot better. Once again I said my focus isn’t on the amount made. It was attitude and relationship to money
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 10:18 PM
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Then he was half baked. If you want to be the primary caretaker you need to be tapped into all of it. I’ve seen men do it, so it’s not impossible but you have to put in an ounce of effort
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 10:15 PM
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Yes but men care when women use them for their money or “divorce rape” them. You cannot complain about those things if you don’t get for them. Not quite sure how you think you’d be compatible long term with someone who doesn’t align on these key issues
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 10:13 PM
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Knowing the names of teachers and doctors, kids fave foods and books. These are things you should absolutely know about your child
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 10:11 PM
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Why shouldn’t you care about these things as they directly impact your life. It’s not so much about salary as it is attitudes towards money, spending and saving
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 10:07 PM
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Both parents are asked questions pertinent to the child’s life. The one who can answer them is the more involved parent. Also most states start with 50/50 custody
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 10:01 PM
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You said women don’t provide what men want. Being more logical and stringent with who you spend time with isn’t asking men to be feminine. It asking them to pony up
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 09:58 PM
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Yeah except I love my work and have worked hard to make huge strides in my career. Also not a great move to say the full time parent is “hanging out with their kids”. Parenting is no joke. I used to be a full time nanny and realize quite well that shouldering one person with the lionshare of child care is a recipe for resentment. I was never more worn out from a job than I was when nannying
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 09:21 PM
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I wouldn’t really care as long as they were authentic and genuine. I want there to always be incentives for personal growth and improvement
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 09:19 PM
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Women get more custody because they are more involved in their childrens lives. Child support is paid to the person with more custody.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 09:18 PM
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Yes but you would deeply benefit from more stringent vetting. Men wanting to dominate over submissive women is something we are thankfully moving past
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 09:17 PM
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Men and women have equal opportunity under the law. Men get fucked because they aren’t active parents
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 07:56 PM
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Those are literally all differing approaches to money
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 07:55 PM
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I’m saying men shoot themselves in the foot for not having the same amount
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 07:54 PM
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That’s what I mean in lacking specificity. You’d be better off breaking it out into its own category. Bucketing all these things into one category brushes over nuance. Then you have 2 criterion: frugal and financially independent
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 07:46 PM
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Yeah so you another criterion for you is not being treated as an ATM. But that doesn’t mean you should ignore their personal financial practices.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 07:26 PM
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It’s not hard to figure out based on how little a lot of men do in terms of family administration
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 07:12 PM
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Naked height is what I care about
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 07:09 PM
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I mean how much money is invested, saved, have retirement accounts been started, % of net pay saved etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 07:09 PM
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I didn’t say earns as much. I said same approach to finances. And since you’re not looking for long term compatibility we are speaking of 2 different things
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 05:29 PM
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I’m saying you need to make it easier given now divorce is an easy and viable option. Women in the past used to stay in shitty relationships because they had no other choice
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 05:26 PM
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Your long term life goals should be pretty solid before you start a marriage. Things like kids, finances, lifestyle should all be decided
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 05:15 PM
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It’s stupid because you’re allowing yourself to have a vulnerability from day one. You should start as equally matched as possible. A lot of men don’t make that much given what average incomes are. Just because you can cover a woman doesn’t mean you shouldn’t bet for finances. How she makes, spends and saves money will have huge impacts on your relationship given in marriage all your money will also be her money. I don’t bet men’s finances because I want to be taken care of. I vet them because w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 05:06 PM
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Those values are literally just the baseline. You need to be vetting way above and beyond that. Compromise and cooperation is far better when you have have shared values and goals
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 05:03 PM
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I’m actually saying men are at fault for not being as picky. They are doing themselves a huge disservice. Biology hasn’t been a dominant factor for generations, we do not live with lizard brain control. If you don’t like outcomes in most relationships you need to have higher and more rigorous standards
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 05:01 PM
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Ehh if a man is unwilling to marry its a huge red flag. But I also vet for that ruthlessly. My vetting when I was dating was called ruthless but quite a few men, however it was effective
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:48 PM
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There’s nothing wrong with changing your preferences. People do it constantly
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:45 PM
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I’m not speaking about charm at all. I’m referring to hot button issues like money/finances, financial priorities, family, lifestyle etc. None of that is charm, it’s the stuff that will lead to nasty divorces if not vetted for. Not caring about a woman’s finances is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen men defend
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:45 PM
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Yes and none of those things take into account the nitty gritty compatibility needed for a long term relationship. It’s essentially lazy vetting since it doesn’t really limit the dating pool at all. Not caring about issues like finances, approach to family, lifestyle etc are what leads to failed relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:43 PM
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That’s not their fault. Men can and should be searching out compatibility in the same way. Not being honest with yourself about what you need in a partner to build a rock solid relationship isn’t anyone else’s fault but your own
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:41 PM
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Then you’d should have no qualms dating and marrying a woman with a high N since past behavior isn’t a predictor of future behavior. And you can vet for some of it. Find a woman who has her own means and a financial match so asset splitting is more equal
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:39 PM
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Laws protect men and women. But laws are a minimum baseline you have to do lots of vetting on your own not just use lizard brain
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:38 PM
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Those are the bare minimum for a lot of women looking at male partners. There is some degree of things that people need to be looking for the same things. Approach to family, finances, lifestyle etc
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:37 PM
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Huh? That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying when men say they want a “good personality” it doesn’t mean anything because they commonly don’t break down what exactly they mean and what is important to them. Women do break it down and get lambasted for having too many criterion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:26 PM
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Yeah they do if those women make improvements. I wasn’t much of catch in my late teens. Early 20s started to turn it around and now men who did reject me are all up messaging me and sending requests.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:24 PM
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Great then if that’s the case then men have just as many standards they just choose to bucket them instead of being explicit with the breakouts. Breaking it out is more helpful because “personality” is very lacking in clarity
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:22 PM
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That’s not your personality those are all other factors. But given that you explain it that way men have the same thresholds but don’t describe it as such. Women seem to list out individual items that you’re just bucketing
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:01 PM
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It’s been many generations since that was completely applicable. You lose the right to complain about divorce rape or any other relationship issue if you don’t actively and early vet for compatibility. If the only thing you go for is looks your chance of failure is high
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 03:58 PM
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Like the reasons I have certain standards is I know if someone can’t meet them we are fundamentally incompatible. Like with money, I don’t demand a certain salary, but you need to be able to wield your money effectively and be frugal
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 03:54 PM
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Personally I think people need to have high standards if they want their life to look a certain way. To say you don’t care about anything but looks and personality in a partner is plain stupid. There’s so much more that goes into a lasting relationship than the minimum baseline of personality and looks
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 03:47 PM
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My question is why do men not have high standards. Men will complain up and down about divorce rape but don’t vet for income or spending habits. Like you can’t have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 03:38 PM
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If any person has to make themself less than then they are inherently lower value. It’s also super fucking gross for a man to say he wants power and control over another person. Like red flag central
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 03:22 PM
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Then there shouldn’t have been a reason to call out specifically women
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:48 PM
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Well you called out specifically women making it seem like men aren’t as obstinate
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:24 PM
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I’d counter and say it’s useless to lecture anyone who didn’t ask
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 01:38 PM
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I’m asking if you would like if your only option was submission. You probably wouldn’t. It’s not a pleasant feeling when people think you’re inferior and by definition submission means you’re inferior
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 10:39 PM
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Yes and you can save money for priorities and be frugal every where else. My parents became millionaires while raising us by doing that and the choice was made early for my mom to stay home so most was done on one income. Education was a priority and everything else was noise. Kids don’t need brand new clothes, toys and books. So don’t spend significant money on those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 01:45 PM
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That’s the thing kids don’t need the best of everything because they don’t know the difference. When I was growing up I really didn’t understand that my fave store was a secondhand shop. Also just because something is a “top private school” doesn’t really mean jack shit. I’ve been to both state school and private school and the educations only differed in price tag. You’re thinking is the reason children are expensive. Also my parents are millionaires and they chose to raise us this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 02:53 AM
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Kids are as expensive as you make them. Buy everything used when possible and don’t fall for gimmicks
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 01:12 AM
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My partner and I have talked about this and our caveats are if it’s temporary due to illness or pregnancy or the natural body changes of aging that it’s fine. But if it’s a permanent lifestyle change for the worse then we retain the right to leave
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:49 PM
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If you’re making 6 figures it’s possible. You may need to move out of the city and commute in but it’s not an impossible feat
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 09:13 PM
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Would you want to be submissive to a woman if the tides were turned?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 08:19 PM
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How so? You chose to live with less of commute and pay more in rent. Fully, high paid remote jobs are a dime a dozen right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 04:56 PM
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Except I have no issue holding attention for coherent writing. You ramble with little cohesive point. The examples you use are all over the place and by the end the point isn’t clear or concise.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 04:53 PM
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My point is that contraception isn’t a flawless solution. Consent when able to consent cannot be withdrawn medically. Healthcare shouldn’t be withheld on the basis of the unlikely chance of litigation. Why would I give a stranger information about exactly where I spend time on a daily basis. Not understanding that proves men and women move through the world very differently
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:39 PM
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Doing the same thing over and over again without a desired change in outcome is insanity. Police by and large either don’t care and/or do nothing. Why would I continue reporting? I actually work and live in a safe family friendly area so I’m in the best case scenario
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:36 PM
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Again not 100%. Good friend of mine got pregnant on a IUD and condom with her husband. Decided to terminate. Women don’t have legal ground if they signed a document legally. Not all vasectomies are reversible, the ones these men were getting weren’t. I will not give out information that identifies my exact location. That’s beyond foolish. Women are weak, less intelligent, incapable of STEM degrees/jobs, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:23 PM
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You don’t have to sell women to have abhorrent views of them that are detrimental to their lives
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:20 PM
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The rate of sexual harassment in men is much lower. I experience some form of sexual harassment on a weekly basis
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:19 PM
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I don’t have adhd and that’s not how adhd works. Brevity is a life skill and you ramble. That’s never useful in a discussion. Your ramblings aren’t to the point or concise. You present a smattering of loosely tied together ideas
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:02 PM
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https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/21/587671849/a-new-survey-finds-eighty-percent-of-women-have-experienced-sexual-harassment
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:01 PM
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The fact that nothing societal has been undone over night. For fucks sake people still fly confederate flags
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:00 PM
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They prevent but not 100% of the time. BC and plan B are incredibly hard on the body. It’s a huge decision to use them as you have daily side effects. He cannot be sued for malpractice. My dude half the men I knew in college got vasectomies from student health and that same student health wouldn’t sterilize women. I do report them and the police say they can’t/won’t do anything. Because the ideals of when women still had no agency still run deep in society
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:59 PM
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You have an expensive apartment by choice. There are ways you can invest more you just choose not to. You can also remote work but you chose a place that’s in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:57 PM
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How can provide evidence of what it’s like to be a woman in society. I cannot download to you the memories of interactions. That’s the problem with the current state of society: on paper things are fine and in reality experiences aren’t. I’ve been followed, attacked, harassed and reporting typically resulted in laughs from police. Police do very little when it comes to prevention and even less after the fact. I sat on a train and had a man jack off while staring at me, the police literally said …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:45 PM
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You cannot undo thousands of years of oppression in a few decades. Many men still view women as less than and subpar versions of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:36 PM
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Which but did I not read? Christianity by and large depended on coverture. Women were not legally their own people
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:34 PM
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Same with women. Women can’t have sex without a consenting male. But if fatherhood is a true fear you have options. I’m not complaining of the technology I’m complaining that doctors will out right refuse to do the procedure. Typically they won’t do it unless older and already have children. Those are famous men. Run of the mill everyday harassers suffer very few consequences. Women were not allowed to get a higher education and fathers chose husbands and told them when to marry. Women until rec…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:33 PM
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You’re right not in my lifetime but you cannot reverse the attitudes carried in society for thousands of years to reverse in a few decades. Women are still chastised for not being SAHM. I cannot tell you the amount of sexual harassment I’ve faced and I’m not that old and quite privileged. There are millions of women who have suffered worse
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:24 PM
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Women did not have a separate legal existence aka coverture https://www.library.hbs.edu/hc/wes/collections/women_law/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:16 PM
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US is historically a Christian nation so yes fathers and husbands owned their women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:10 PM
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Yeah they are growing but that has nothing to do with the current topic at hand which is history
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:08 PM
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It’s not a learning issue it’s your inability to be coherent and brief. Your point is lost in ramblings
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:06 PM
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Men can choose to not finish sex or even have it in the first place. You do not have to ejaculate in a woman just because she says you can. Being denied healthcare has nothing to do with the complexity of our reproductive organs. The reasons for denial are based on a dated assumption that women can’t decide whether they actually want children. These behaviors are not negatively enforced so there are no downsides for men who do them. Women are only equals in words not actions. Women were forcibly…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:03 PM
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Nope women weren’t allowed to get higher education and were typically married off quite young. Not to mention they were technically property of first their fathers and then their husbands. Their oppression didn’t have to be deliberate, deep seated abhorrent views of women was all it took.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 06:44 PM
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And yet even the lowest men owned their wives and children. But given that men also suffered poor treatment not sure why they would support patriarchal society either
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 06:42 PM
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Did I say single mother? Nope because for the vast majority of patriarchal society women weren’t single mothers
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 06:40 PM
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Raising the next generation so men can go out and work is a huge contribution to society
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 06:30 PM
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It’s not because within patriarchal societies women who were given the chance made advancements as well. The matriarchal societies he shared are in countries with abhorrent views of women so it no surprise they were ostracized and kept out. Where as patriarchal societies had formal and informal channels that constantly shared tech and built off one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 06:21 PM
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Yes but men have a choice whether they do actually ejaculate. Just because a woman says yes doesn’t oblige you to do so. If you don’t trust a woman or have a conversation about what you’d both do in the case of unwanted pregnancy then that’s a personal issue. Child creation and rearing also falls mostly on women so it’s not surprising that they get final decision making. If you question whether a child is yours you can always DNA test. I’m not against men having another option but they have very…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 06:15 PM
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Men in current society have a plethora of options. They can choose in whom they ejaculate and they can get a reversible vasectomy. Do you seriously need an explainer on treatment? Are you that daft and oblivious to how women move through the world? Not if patriarchies wouldn’t work with the matriarchies. Again not a complex concept. The farther you fall behind the more difficult it becomes to catch up. My point is that given the opportunity women have been and are capable of advancing technology…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:56 PM
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Treatment. Not explicit rights, although in the US female reproductive rights are in the hands of the Supreme Court. Those matriarchies didn’t have the opportunity to benefit from patriarchies. Tech wasn’t developed in silos, men bounced ideas off of one another. Once industrialization happened patriarchal societies benefitted from one another. There are plenty of examples of women who made key advancements in tech when given the opportunity in patriarchal societies
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:47 PM
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When women dislike the patriarchy they are typically speaking of subservient treatment they receive just for being women. Societal advances can’t solely be attributed to patriarchy given that patriarchy forced women out of the realms or spheres where tech was being developed. Therefore it’s impossible to say women can’t develop these things when they weren’t even allowed in the room.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:38 PM
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For fucks sake this is an incoherent ramble. Please be brief and to the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 04:40 PM
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My god you lack brevity. Women don’t respect men who cheat either so there goes that argument. Men who cheat aren’t also getting love and affection from their spouse. You’re insane if you think that’s the case. Your examples lack clarity. Try responding in 1 or 2 paragraphs and reread what you write
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 03:42 PM
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Your argument isn’t cohesive, well written or brief. It’s a laundry list of ways you think men get to fuck and women don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 02:33 PM
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Except not just Christianity uses marriage. If you’re going to site christianity I’d like to see the passages that say marriage is only for the purposes of procreating. Again brevity because I only read the first bit due to incoherent rambling
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 02:24 PM
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I’m saying you’re foolish for paying that much when you could save 500-700 more each month. Compound interest right there. $100k can be a one income household you just have a very inflated standard of living in a high COL area. Both of which were personal choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 01:18 PM
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Yeah and just because the vagina cleans itself that doesn’t mean every where else around it is. Cleaning female genitalia is just as complex as cleaning an uncircumcised penis
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 01:16 PM
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Marriage is monogamy. People who choose to cheat don’t change that premise. Let’s not use the Catholic Church as an example of what we should or should not be doing. Marriage was always supposed to be monogamous, men throughout history have thought they were too good and got something on the side. Doesn’t make it right or just. I’m sure you’d not want your wife having a side piece
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 01:14 PM
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How is it that you claim to make good money and not save with a $1500 rent?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 02:53 AM
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Dude your English sucks I can barely read this. But broad strokes being male doesn’t entitle you to cheating. If you want that don’t commit to monogamy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 02:01 AM
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I tell my male friends up front that I have not and will not fuck platonic friends. They are free to take it or leave it but friends do nice things for each other without fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 01:49 AM
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That’s a different thing altogether. The monetary value of a field doesn’t equate the importance of studying it. Looking at the market value of a field is a completely different concept than purely valuing education.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 01:47 AM
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There’s actually a lot of noise in the wealthy divorce rate data since it’s a much smaller population. There’s nothing disgusting about a man who makes less than his female partner. That’s some fucked up ideals you’re working with. I have connections to some pretty wealthy circles and given that a lot of incredibly wealthy men married young and not wealthy they can stand to lose way more than half their income. Typically their affairs are known about long enough to build a rock solid case in div…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 01:31 AM
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I’m saying I value education which includes all subjects. I’m not saying I value how your education translates to income. That’s totally different. I don’t put a lot of value on income as I can provide that. I care more that someone can manage the money they have and live within their means.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 01:27 AM
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I've never been asked by someone I was considering for LTR. The only men who ever asked were fuck boi types that had many red flags before the utterance of the question
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 09:40 PM
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I didn't say anything about student debt. Debt plays more into how finances are managed. I'm speaking of education, adding in the caveat of debt is what muddies the waters. All subjects have utility, they may just not have huge paychecks attached to them. Even in the sciences people don't make a lot of money as a guarantee.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 09:39 PM
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exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 09:36 PM
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There is value in all subjects. Just because something doesn't make millions does not mean it shouldn't be studied. That is why I did not caveat education in any way. For me you either value you it or you don't and it is a drop dead compatibility factor
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 09:00 PM
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That is by defintion part of my education. Can't have an education without putting time and money towards it. Comments regarding the money were along the lines of "education isn't worth the price". Oddly enough I make tens of thousands more than these men now and will only continue to make more barring some extreme circumstance
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:52 PM
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My views on love and marriage come strictly from middle class households. Wealthy men who cheat are the ones who lose the most (think Jeff Bezos). Marriage isn't a child raising contract as plenty of married people can't or choose not to have chuldren. Laughable that you think lots of men have hall passes
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 07:50 PM
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By definition a marriage that ends in divorce fails. It might be better for both people to go separate ways but the marriage itself has failed. Sleeping with other women isn't monogamy, which is what we are talking about. If you plan to end a marriage or open it then there isn't actually a point in marriage at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:51 PM
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Told me I wasting my time, upset with the way I spent money on my education first before relaxing activities/vacations/nights out, incredibly annoyed when studies would take precedent over dates etc. No, you can lack a degree and respect the process for your partner. My current partner has been incredibly supportive of my terminal degree even though he will never have one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:46 PM
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There is so much more to female hygiene than the vagina. Just shows how little you know about your own anatomy. The cleaning burden isn't that different
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:34 PM
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It's too personal of a decision for a parent to make. It can be decided by the child when they are grown. I know the biggest issue is hygiene, but i'm of the firm opinion that if a girl can be taught to wash herself so can a boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 06:29 PM
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Because most people want a LTR. You don't need in depth compatibility for a short term relationship, it purely doesn't matter. Small age gaps and marriage after 25 correlate with less divorce, education as well but not everyone has that privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 05:06 PM
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Depends on what level this is. If i'm working, out with friends/family, or having alone time I don't want my partner bothering me because "he loves me". Constant verbal affirmation also does very little for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 03:56 PM
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Yes and there are many things that go into being a person who is compatible longterm. Sex and compatibility are not enough by any stretch of the imagination. You have to look at the whole person. That includes approach to familial ties, money management, family planning, personality, sexual appeal, aligned desires and goals etc. All those things make someone a person who is and is not compatible. If someone clicked with me and had huge sexual chemistry but wanted to never have children we would …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 03:36 PM
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Yeah a partner needs to be a complete system that is compatible with yourself. Having a checklist or other criteria you know are necessary for compatibility allows for ensuring that the necessary parts are there and understanding that if any are missing that can lead to abject failure of the realtionship since each part is integral to the whole functioning well. Liking a woman for sex and companionship isn't holistic in the slightest, it's only 2 of many parts of the whole. It's essentially igno…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:54 PM
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They may not say SAHM but they are very judgmental when "other people raise their kids". They have different reasons, these are my observational conclusions based on talking with them and their partners. I think everyone should have a long list of criteria in the people they date. If you want to be in a lifelong partnership then you need to be brutal with your criteria and cut out the riff raff.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:32 PM
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No debt at all and making nearly 6 figures and able to save about 40% of my pay on a monthly basis. What I take issue with is men who make fun of and complain when I was in school that it was a top time and financial priority. Degrees are in healthcare data analytics
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:29 PM
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And yet these men were not supportive of the time or money I put towards my education and would belittle me when I chose to study instead of spend with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:28 PM
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Nah age gaps typically don't work. The vast majority of lasting marriages have 2-3 year ages gaps. This utopia men have of being with much younger women successfully is pure delusion as the stats don't support it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:26 PM
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99% of money related divorces are not due to women. It is most often due to couples not being on the same page with how they will spend and save money. Holistic means you are compatible with the whole person, not just their personality and looks. I'm with a person who meets the baseline of looks and personality but meets all my other well rounded and holistic needs because you're truly delusional if you think just liking someone is enough to build a lifelong relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:25 PM
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Given you seem to work in FinTech you can 100% find a fully remote job. But honestly 20 miles is nothing. I have more than double that and plan for a larger one when having kids. Given your career choice you could easily support a family on your salary if you go remote and if you find a woman in the same field it would really be a choice of who wants to stay home.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:22 PM
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And yet marrying a young woman is highly correlated with divorce. You can’t complain about divorce rape and then actively make choices that are highly correlated with divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:10 AM
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Values around money are one many, many things that are required for long term success. You should be looking for someone who checks boxes in a variety of venues aka holistically. I use values around money as an example as it’s one of the leading causes of divorce and arguments within a marriage. I also look for want for children, approach to work/life balance, personal health, family values, religiosity, where to live, hobbies, humor, sexual compatibility etc. Men only caring about companionship…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 04:09 AM
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Nah man. Gold diggers want a man for status, not normal women. Only men argue they peak when older not women. Physically men peak young too. Skills they peak older just like women. I don’t have to shout angry since I’m the one in a loving LTR. I’ve lived the opposite of what you swear to be truth and seen it happen in hundreds of other couples. The large age gaps with an older man younger woman are gold digger set ups not partnerships
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:54 AM
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Maybe move then or accept you cannot afford what you want. I’m willing to commute so I can have a high salary and better cost of living. You may have chosen an area where both parents are forced to work
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:49 AM
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Great then don’t worry about those women. And it’s not the vast majority. It’s just the women who are the loudest about their preferences. Same could be said when men say they don’t want fat women or women with bad attitudes. Men want more than just a vagina. Just like women want more than just a penis. But most men wouldn’t pick up a homeless woman either. Men who don’t care about women’s finances are idiots who cannot vet for shared values nor protect themselves against horrendous divorces. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:46 AM
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You have to seek out women who don’t value you for your paycheck. We are typically the hyper independent types who will secure attach but continue to thrive in their own life. A man’s penis is part of him and provides the sex women want. Women want sex. Men don’t typically want women for themselves otherwise they would scrape the bottom of the barrel and be happy. But it also seems you go after incredibly materialistic women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:54 AM
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Technically men and women are by and large born able to have sex and make money in some regard. Women also want sex and men are born with that. All women have vaginas so hotness isn’t the issue. You said women are wanted because of the sex and companionship. A woman doesn’t need to be hot to provide that so any homeless woman should suffice in your scenario. Companionship is valued but with a compatible person who shares their values. Companionship with someone you have nothing in common with ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:32 AM
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No sex is something you provide. A vagina is a part of a woman but that doesn’t mean a man will ever access it. The act of sex is a resource. Men of value want more than just a vagina. If that was the case they would just date a woman who is homeless in the subway. Women say they are better single if being with a man doesn’t add anything to their lives. A paycheck really isn’t one of those things. You as a male need to a compatible partner with similar goals and values. That what it means for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:00 AM
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It means you’re saving the recommended amount or more. Again plenty of women don’t ask for men to make monstrous sums of money. I’d argue men want women for what they provide as well most specifically for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 12:48 AM
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I know lots of women who don’t want men to make more just be able to live well within their means. Sure there are high maintenance women who want to use you for your money but since women like that are likely not compatible with your values it’s pointless to discuss them as they aren’t even a potential mate
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 12:30 AM
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Divorce rates are reasonably low in the well educated who put off marriage until after 25. Essentially the younger and/or less educated you are when you get married heavily correlate to chance of divorce. Part of the reason I find it laughable when men want really young and preferably uneducated women. It’s a recipe for divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 11:14 PM
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I’d say a lot of the emotional labor comes in when getting a male partner comfortable enough being vulnerable and discussing emotions. My partner had a challenging childhood and we’ve been together for 7 years and still it can be like pulling teeth getting him to open up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 11:06 PM
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How does proving your statement as false not mean anything? Most pathetic bedrooms are couples who didn’t prioritize communicating about sex during the good times.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 10:58 PM
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Actually I’d argue it’s incredibly more holistic to value someone outside of their paycheck. I want to be with someone who I can build a life with and that requires much more in terms of compatibility than just bringing in money. Trips and cars are not what I’m referring to in the slightest, that would be valuing someone for their paycheck. Men now need to be true life partners with shared interests and goals. I’m saying women don’t need you for their money if they make it themselves. You need t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 10:56 PM
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Dude brevity. I’m not reading this essay that rambles on and on. Even skimming you haven’t introduced anything outside of sexual attraction which isn’t enough to build a lifelong relationship on.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 10:52 PM
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Really? Hmmmm odd considering my partner and I initiate sex equally. I like orgasms too much to do fake sex. But then again my partner and I have discussed sex openly since we started having it which is very much taboo especially when reading dead bedroom posts. Men typically only like to discuss sex when it’s a problem not when it’s great
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 10:52 PM
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Where did I say a degree can’t be a baseline requirement. Valuing education is high on my list and all the tradesmen I’ve dated scoffed at that. One of the reasons those relationships didn’t work. You can still date down in other aspects. Generational wealth being a huge one
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 10:49 PM
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Not being connected with your spouse is an excellent reason for divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 05:12 PM
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Looks determine neither ability to parent nor quality for lifelong commitment. Both of which are incredibly more important in the long term. Don’t rely on your lizard brain unless you want to be treated like an animal. Sorry you don’t believe in the changing science and new discoveries. Just because you choose not to be evidence based doesn’t make it untrue. I never said a child, I said not fully developed. The person I was in my early 20s was not a representation of who I have become. Being hel…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 05:08 PM
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Traditional marriages fail because women now rarely have a reason to stay for survival so taking on the huge task of keeping everything but a paycheck moving forward isn’t worth it. Being a maid for a man who is capable of caring for himself and having to be on call 24/7 isn’t worth it. Partnerships allow for people to individually divide work based on strengths and have both partners being emotionally present and active parents. They also close power imbalances where both parties have the resou…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 04:34 PM
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You avoid women who have the resources and education to get the hell out of dodge easily. You said you specifically avoid women who have that option to just leave if she wants to. College educated people typically pair up due to shared values. Not a hard concept to understand. Mixed value egalitarian relationships have a high failure rate as no one is forced to stay to survive
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 04:29 PM
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Ehhh many men here have taken issue with my approach. When I was single and sex didn’t result in my orgasm every time I broke things off. Many men here said that I was way too harsh
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 04:23 PM
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I’m not saying women are trapped but it sounds like you would prefer that they didn’t have their own resources so leaving you is an easy decision and not one fraught with survival
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 04:22 PM
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Great so you have 25% of couples on your side and a plethora of single women. However you’re not going to get the doting treatment of a high earner in a more egalitarian relationship. Can’t have both.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 04:21 PM
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Men aren’t the solution for loneliness. Friendship plays a huge role for women. So having men banging down the door to fuck doesn’t really solve the issue
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 04:19 PM
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So you want to trap a woman because she needs your resources for survival?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 04:13 PM
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It means you cannot rely on a paycheck to impress her. You need to be a net gain for her life. Once you make that adjustment it’s incredibly easy. But you need to realize she will likely be secure attached meaning quite independent and doesn’t “need” you
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 04:12 PM
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No because I didn’t always make more than him. He’s of high character and knows abuse is never ever the appropriate response.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 04:01 PM
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So you can’t even say what I lying about. Solid
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 04:01 PM
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Nope we think it’s a huge waste of money. We have prioritized saving and investing. We each do something everyday and then every 2 weeks we do a big clean like full scrub down of the bathroom, full dusting, full mop and vacuum etc. we have systems in place that make cleaning part of our routine so it’s never really out of hand
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 04:00 PM
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Are you only looking at couples in your age bracket or older couples as well? Looking at all couples means nothing as it includes people from other generations. But even so I would consider 25% a plentiful amount of people
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 03:58 PM
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Well he’s not my husband so currently he doesn’t really benefit from my money as it’s mostly invested. Abuse can never be condoned. I’m saying that men of the past used it as a tool to keep women acting the way they liked. If super femininity was natural for all women there would haven’t been any need for abuse, laws, and social stigma to hold women back
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 03:54 PM
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What am I lying about? Marriages which have super trad roles seem to fall apart the most in my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 03:52 PM
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We split what we can based on preferences and then take turns with the chores we both don’t like. Like I love to cook so I do almost all meals and my partner cleans up the kitchen. He is great at making the bed so he takes care of bedroom chores and I handle the living room. Then there are things we deal with individually like laundry. Would you like more examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 03:51 PM
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They can if they find a woman who makes enough for him to stay home. I live in a high cost area and plan on my partner staying home when we have young kids
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 03:48 PM
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Why would you want to be with women who have undeveloped brains and unlikely to be the fullest version of the woman they will be after 25? Maybe it’s a physical peak but in every other regard women don’t peak that young. If you’re looking for a lifelong commitment you cannot simply use looks as a proxy. You need someone who has life goals that align with you. For many couples that means having both people working for a while. I’d also argue men physically peak young as well and in their 30s they…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 03:47 PM
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Men can also divorce for any reason. How many people get divorced for snoring?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 03:41 PM
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Man, I and most of the women I know must be having pretend sex
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 03:41 PM
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What behaviors are you defining for “entitled bitch”. Every man has different behaviors he doesn’t like. What I’m saying the hyper fem woman isn’t a natural state merely something men wanted enough to abuse another human to get. You said men have to put up with less feminine women now. There’s a easy solution if that’s what you really want. If you are unwilling to execute that behavior yourself you can’t be upset that you’re getting differing results from men of the past. Not sure where the mark…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 05:17 PM
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You specifically said you like being with more feminine women but those women come with a lot of responsibilities most of which are monetary and men no longer having the buying power for that (not sure about your case specifically). Women used to be very feminine as it was their only option for survival
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 05:15 PM
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Perfect allow me to align with you. Feminine women of the past were kept in line with abuse from their partners and an inability to support themselves so trapped into staying. If that is what you want be willing to do what men of the past did which includes domestic violence and marital rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 05:07 PM
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I don’t think that at all. But what I don’t understand is how you want a traditionally feminine woman who is also securely attached in relationship style. Those wants are in direct opposition of one another. If you’re having such issues in the dating market change who you date.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 05:05 PM
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I am on topic. The topic was marriage dying out and my argument is due in part because men are unable to adapt to bringing more to the table. You’re the one who brought up wanting a lady and then only working with a connotation not denotation of the word
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 05:02 PM
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Why continually date women you’re not compatible with? Seems like you’re not capable of adapting to being more than a breadwinner and are annoyed you need to be more
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 05:00 PM
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So your upset men have to adapt to a more equitable dating market and can’t get away with only bringing a paycheck to the table? Also the definition of lady is an old fashioned term for woman or a woman of society particularly noble of birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:58 PM
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Except I’ve been witness to enough relationships to know that the issues you’re having stem from hyper fem women who do not have a secure attachment to you
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:54 PM
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I’m saying to truly have a convo with you I need to understand your definition given that if varies so much between men. I have assumptions but I don’t like working with them as they could be wrong. Aren’t gentlemen also supposed to be polite? So if a gentlemen keeps his clothes on a lady can rip hers off? This is exactly why a clear definition is critical. There in most cases many overlaps between behaviors of gentlemen and ladies, not opposites. That last paragraph doesn’t align with what you’…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:52 PM
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What does that have to do with anything. I’m in a thriving relationship and don’t really align with what you’ve described as being necessary for male happiness. You’ve still skirted around defining what you mean by “lady”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:46 PM
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You literally asked me my dating set up. Secure attachment relationships are highly unlikely to also be trad so you need to pick what is more important to you Also never answered how you personally define “lady”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:40 PM
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Men essentially bought women’s labor and since women were paid very little it didn’t take that much money to buy her out of her job. Now women make more and would have to sacrifice a lot to stay home if their partner didn’t buy them out in the same way. Like why should a woman sacrifice a life she has built just to appease a man who wants her at home but can’t provide the same lifestyle?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:35 PM
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I’m a woman dating a man for 7 years next week. I’m secure attached in relationship style. Not sure if I would qualify as hyper fem since you haven’t quite defined what you mean by that, but I have a career and make 2x my partner
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:24 PM
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What defines a lady in your case then? Many men have many definitions for “lady” so typically I don’t give them much credence since the breadth of qualifiers is wide. I didn’t say the world owes anything. But you’re making relationships sound like women and men are in competition with each other. When in reality you should be with someone who wants the same things out of life and whose dark/ugly behavior isn’t judged. Personally I know what I deserve and I get it myself. It’s not up to anyone bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:23 PM
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That’s literally the way most feminine women are. Seems like you actually want a secure attachment style relationship which you’re highly unlikely to find with the hyper feminine. But more interested in concrete examples of this behavior and not just inflammatory language
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:16 PM
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People do deserve the world as they deem it for their lives. If you can’t match that find a new partner (I apply this to men and women, people should be in compatible relationships). What defines a woman as masculine? Lady is merely referencing being female
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:15 PM
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Hyper feminine = princess. Modern women expect men to be a full package not a child at home that brings in money
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:12 PM
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I’m asking why you date “poorly behaved women”. Princess syndrome is synonymous with a trad woman where she’s completely and totally reliant on her male partner
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:11 PM
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What word did I miss? If you’re not willing to do what men used to do to get the women to behave the way they wanted then don’t complain
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:04 PM
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I am a woman. However I’m not most men’s cuppa as I don’t plan on giving up my career nor placating an insecure ego
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 03:52 PM
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It’s not about competing. Relationships are a partnership not a competition. You shouldn’t be at odds with your partner you should be working together to build a life. Given that premise it doesn’t actually matter who makes more. For me the goal is minimal hours spent working while maximizing income. So I’d never be with someone who is a workaholic as that’s incongruent with being an active and emotionally present father
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 03:49 PM
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Dude what? I don’t use my vagina to clean therefore nothing about having it aids in cleaning. A brutal world created by men is a failure of men not of women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 03:43 PM
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You can outsource housework or split it. But nothing about having a vagina inclines women to being able to clean up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 03:25 PM
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You can have a great career and be firm with your working hours. They aren’t mutually exclusive. Nope you don’t need to be masculine to lead. You only need to be that way if you’re trying to be inauthentic. Even marriage for most of your 20s is foolish given the rate of divorce for people who get married young. Why should women be sacrificing for a male partner’s career? That seems like a dumb as shit idea if I also have a career. Depends on what you consider peaking. In lifelong commitment peak…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 03:19 PM
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Many men don’t like secure attachment relationships. They want to “feel like men” and be the head of household
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 03:12 PM
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Men always paid for it. It just looks different now. Women don’t have to sacrifice anything considering they aren’t the ones who in this scenario want the trad set up. I specifically men want a trad set up but can’t afford it. Second paragraph is too far of a divergence from my original point to be worth digging into
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 03:10 PM
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They aren’t fawning over men. You need to change your expectations to find one. We aren’t going to stroke your ego and be all doe eyed for you. You’ll have to accept being with someone hyper independent who doesn’t need you but wants you as long as you’re a net gain to her life
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 01:43 PM
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Why should women sacrifice career for babies in their 20s? Seems like a terrible move. I was born to parents who waited until mid to late 30s to spawn and man were they miles more prepared than their younger counter parts. Having a career doesn’t make someone masculine or feminine. Considering for the vast majority of human history women have worked
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 01:42 PM
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Nope because they are willing to date men who make less, however the men available don’t like how much they make and it causes issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 01:40 PM
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It’s not absurd to buy out a woman’s career. That has always been the case, women just make more now so it isn’t as easy for men to do. Given that they need to decide how important a trad set up really is to them. I agree. Being a high earner changes my attitude toward men. I don’t care for men who only bring a paycheck to the table, I don’t need their money. But they need to be a full package outside of that. Men used to have it very easy in that all they needed was a paycheck and women would s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 01:38 PM
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Most likely because they want a trad set up. You can’t want the benefits of a trad woman and not pony up to pay for it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 01:32 PM
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Why are you dating those women (aka the hyper feminine trad woman as you’ve described). Men used to just beat that out of their wives so always an option but frowned upon. Absolutely men need to bring at least what I do to a relationship. If all you can bring is a pay check you don’t really mean shit since I don’t need a bank roll I need a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 01:31 PM
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There are plenty we just typically aren’t the ones to fawn over men. I’ve dated several men where the income part wasn’t the issue, it was that I didn’t get star eyed and swoon every time he was near me
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 01:29 PM
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Again it seems like you were unable to attract a high quality female partner. The marriages I’ve seen fall apart with children are the ones where women are solely responsible for child rearing. The healthiest marriages I’ve seen are where child rearing is a shared task amongst both partners. You use a lot of inflammatory words without actually explaining the events that led you to that conclusion. Like what does it actually mean to be an emotional “leech”. That’s not descriptive it’s purely infl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 06:21 AM
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Huh? Odd I and all the women I know must not be real women. I love my partner so deeply it hurts. It really does seem like you’ve have some pretty subpar partners. That could be for a couple reasons: 1) you go for looks only 2) you’re of low quality yourself and cannot attract the partner you want. I’d love some details as to how you came to the conclusion that women don’t reciprocate emotional support or “hate” men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 06:15 AM
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False. Plenty of women are when equally supported. However there’s a huge difference between emotionally intimacy and expecting a partner to be your therapist. That goes for men and women. If you have deep seated trauma you need a therapist
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 06:10 AM
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Being an emotionally intimate and available partner isn’t abuse though. Which is now what is expected of men since they don’t have the resources to just get sex and a maid. Physical abuse in Christian marriage was incredibly rampant. Men were allowed and encouraged to ensure their wife obeyed him.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 06:06 AM
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How so? Men used to take out their anger on their wives in the form of physical and emotional abuse without repercussions. They now only have to be emotionally supportive in the same way their partners are. I’m not sure how that’s considered to be too much work. It does seem you may have been emotionally abused by a female partner. That’s different than being emotionally intimate with a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 05:58 AM
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Nah man, women have been the sole recipient of emotional issues from their male partners for millennia. Being an emotionally supportive partner is now a two way street instead of a one way one as it was previously (male to female one way)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 05:53 AM
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Yes but they bought that and it was the only option for women. Women now have their own money so they don’t need to placate male ego to survive. Men need to know actually be partners and not just throw money around in exchange for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 05:51 AM
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Then you would have never benefitted from a relationship and are very much an anomaly now and would have been in the past as well
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 05:47 AM
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So you don’t want sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 05:32 AM
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You cannot expect a relationship that’s anything more than resource based without intimacy. Otherwise you’re just participating in thinly veiled prostitution which isn’t actually a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 05:04 AM
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How is being an emotionally supportive partner a loss for men? They get to have a deeper emotional connection with their partner than they ever had before
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:55 AM
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So they need to be supportive partners and not just emotionless breadwinners? The horror!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:48 AM
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What exactly did men lose in terms of benefit in relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:37 AM
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Idk I’m dating a man who I make more than 2x. There are lots of women like me, but we are hyper independent and unlikely to stroke male egos
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:30 AM
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A lot more are at the end of the day. The ones who think it’s emasculating to be a sahd.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:28 AM
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Really? Huh I must not be a real woman since I date a man that I make 2x more than
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:27 AM
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Even plebs married for resources not love. Don’t be ridiculous. Those resources were just less. This is evident in how common arranged marriages were.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:26 AM
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Truly not an outlier but men typically go for the hyper fem woman who wants to eventually stay home and those women are more expensive for a man to be with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:25 AM
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Women asking for this to stay home isn’t unreasonable. It just means those women will continue to work. If it’s a huge issue for you then you have two options: aim for lower income women or deal with not living in traditional relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:24 AM
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I mean technically that was what marriage used to be. Marriages weren't about love or compatibility, rather a man buying a woman to care for his offspring.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 08:53 PM
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What matters is if either partner has to unwillingly adjust their lifestyle down so that their partner can stay at home. I wouldn't stay home for a man who couldn't buy out my earning potential. Why would I sacrifice the life I love and created for myself because a partner wanted a traditional set up.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 08:50 PM
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I didn't say anything about wanting to work. Very few people want to work. I'm saying very few women are willing to give up the lifestyle they have curated for themselves just so a man can have a traditional set up. There are also a lot of issues with sole income households. I'll use my parents as an example, when my mom chose to leave the workforce she was making the equivalent of well into the 6 figure range now. Her income was critical in my parents being able to buy a home in a great area wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 08:45 PM
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I'm not against equal pay. I'm saying an issue with men in the dating market is that they want a traditional setup but don't do the work to be able to buy it. I'm anti tradtional set up so I'm not really blaming anyone, moreso observing a phenomenon. But if there are men that are deadset on a traditional setup they have two options: earn enough money to buy out the woman they want or aim for lower income women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 08:13 PM
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perfectly said
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 07:11 PM
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It means that men who want a stay at home wife/mother need to be able to make more than she is bringing in to make that set up worth it. This is epsecially true for women who have careers that they have worked for years and high levels of education. So say a woman is making 100k a year if her partner wants her home he needs to make close to that much more than her for it to be worth it without sacrificing lifestyle. For example, my mother was a SAHM once my younger sibling was born but that was …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 07:06 PM
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I've been in a LTR for a while but all of my close girlfriends are on the dating scene and these seem to be their biggest issues. Lots of men want a traditional set up but do not have the funds to buy out a woman's career. Lack of male interest in women who make or who will make more than them. Same shit talked about constantly here, but the break down of household duties falling more on women. Lots of my friends have been dumped or done the dumping based on these issues in large part. Before an…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 06:54 PM
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you mentioned having boundaries that need reinforcement. That shouldn't be the case with someone you are compatible with. No one I have spent any length of time with has ever needed me to "stand my ground" and remind them about boundaries. You aren't fundamentally compatible with people if those are the patterns you are seeing. Don't date or be friends will people that aren't compatible with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 03:53 PM
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baseline compatibility can be assessed rather quickly. There is a huge difference between a handful of boundaries and having to constantly "stand your ground". If the latter is the case you clearly are unable to define baseline compatibility. This is a truly simple concept you seem to be struggling with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 10:39 PM
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70% compatibility is incredibly achievable if you stop dating people to fill a void in your life and start dating people who are a net add to your life. That way you have no reason to be constantly "standing your ground". Healthy relationships aren't made of people who are consistently at odds with one another
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 09:16 PM
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I'm built similarly and can tell you she is easily 30%bf
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 08:06 PM
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Many doctors will not perform sterilization until women reach a certain age (varies) and have already had children (usually 2). I’m proposing sterilization for people who NEVER want children. Personally I use contraception because I don’t want children right now but want the option in the future. However the men in question for this line of comments want to remain child free. Not sure why men opt out of healthcare until 40. Seems like a dipshit move but that’s fine. I’m not sure your statement t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/21 12:00 AM
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Less than a 1% chance which is better than relying on imperfect usage of the pill which could raise the risk into the 20% range. It would also be taking control of your own fertility. If not conceiving is that important you do everything in your power to prevent it. That may mean vasectomy and condoms for life
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 11:27 PM
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All I’m saying if anyone, irrespective of gender, truly do not want children then they should be sterilized so that there aren’t any oopsy children. If I was a man who never wanted children I wouldn’t be relying on a woman to take a pill and then raw dogging her.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 10:47 PM
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It can be fully fair. That’s the point of alimony. It dampens the risk to the dependent partner when the joint decision was made for them to be home. The woman has every right to all jointly acquired assets. That’s what marriage is, even in the trad model the wife has access to all joint assets. Men who want a stay at home wife who then divorce them have to pay the price for the joint decision. If a man isn’t comfortable with that potential outcome he shouldn’t have a SAHM as a partner. You don’…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 09:28 PM
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Nope the child’s life isn’t supposed to change so the percent of time spent with each parent should be the same. Child support ensures that regardless of parental income the life the child was used to doesn’t change. Alimony should be present as long as the dependent spouse is earning less than their projected market value at time of staying home. That may mean for life depending on how long that partner was absent from the workforce. It’s not theft from the child. Child support is for the child…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 08:55 PM
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Yes and if a woman, by cause of joint decision, is behind in the market then she will be unable to to support the child. But 100% the woman would also receive alimony. I don’t agree that custody should be 50/50. The child’s life isn’t supposed to change that much. So if the father worked all the time it would be wildly different for the child to then not be with its mother for those hours
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 08:26 PM
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If men truly don’t want children then they can easily get the snip. You shouldn’t be relying on someone else for contraception
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 08:18 PM
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Why should their be no child support? If a couple made the decision for the woman to step back her career for the child their needs to be compensation after divorce since she is so lagging in market value due to a joint decision
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 08:17 PM
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Again I’m not. I know plenty of women whose partner broke it off because he was insecure about how much she made.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 05:17 PM
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Really? It’s impossible to date down more than a few % points? Hmmmm wonder how I’m making more than double my partner then
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 05:01 PM
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Not sure how. If both people contribute to a relationship, whether it be financial or service based, then they both are entitled to shared assets.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 04:59 PM
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You do realize married people also use contraceptives? Many women are also on contraception when not sexually active
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 04:55 PM
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They like those but there are swaths of women who just want a financially stable partner. You don’t need to make mid to high 6 figures to do so. I’ve been financially stable my whole career and didn’t start making that much. I don’t want someone who is career obsessed and puts their career over me. And I return the favor
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 04:44 PM
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Prenup protects assets prior to marriage not assets acquired within marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 04:24 PM
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Exactly you adapted as you went and made sound financial and family decisions without letting egos and expectations get in the way. This will likely be how my future plays out as well
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 04:22 PM
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Nah I’m not I know plenty of women like me. But men typically don’t like when their partner makes significantly more than them and is more financially literate
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 04:03 PM
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Not necessarily. We will have an extensive family support network and my partner has the option to step back a bit since doing so wouldn’t be the financial hit it would be for me to do the same. I’ve seen just as many kids fucked up by their SAHM as ones with an alternative care giver. Being cared for by your bio parent doesn’t guarantee anything. I much rather parents split burden and both be present and active parents than the alternative of super present mother and distant distracted father.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 03:53 PM
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Same thing men would do with that money: invest, increase lifestyle a bit, care for family, donate to charity etc. Additionally if the husband dies or becomes disabled the woman will need to be able to fill the gap. Choosing a single provider lifestyle can put a lot of unnecessary pressure on a man to provide and ends with the husband not being a super present and emotionally available partner or parent. Personally I’m not willing to do that to myself or my partner
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 03:47 PM
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Isn’t the traditional lifestyle men here want back? Men make the money and women sacrifice their career and earning potential to tend to the family?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 03:32 PM
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I make more and after the initial maternity leave we plan on using family support and my partner stepping back his career. It would be incredibly foolish for me to step back given how much I make.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 03:30 PM
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Friends are friends their gender/sex is irrelevant to me. Male and female friends have the same expectations for me. However most men don’t like to put in the emotional commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 03:40 AM
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Where did I say slutty? I said just not a virgin. A woman can only have sex within relationships. All I’m saying anyone who wants to have sex should have a comprehensive understanding of the other gender’s anatomy. I can’t tell you how many men have confided in me they didn’t realize women had “multiple holes”. You don’t need to fuck everything thing with a pulse to do that, a google search with a few diagrams should suffice. Personally, I think anyone involved in casual sex is unlikely a candid…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 02:34 AM
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And those men are dumb as fuck because women who are virgins for any length of time were likely raised in purity culture and won’t being having anything more than missionary, reproductive sex. Also I didn’t emphasize good at sex. I’m emphasized knowing where shit is. A virgin can know where everything is
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 02:25 AM
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I’m not saying be a man whore. You can use an anatomy book for all I care but I’ve found men don’t even know how many holes there are. It’s equally shocking when a woman doesn’t know what a penis looks like. There’s a huge difference between sexual history and having a fundamental understanding of the opposite genders anatomy
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 02:02 AM
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And that’s in both of your control. You shouldn’t be attempting sex if she’s not in the mood.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 01:46 AM
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I mean yea that could be the case but a dumb ass that doesn’t know where the clit is essentially shoots himself in the foot
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 01:27 AM
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Yeah but the fastest way to make sure she’s not in the “head space” is to paw around and not know where shit is. Nothing is more of turn off than a man who doesn’t know his way around
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 01:13 AM
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I can def attest to the weird post sex smell. Can take a while for a couple to acclimate to each other’s ph
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 12:42 AM
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Most women, save the outliers, want a partner not an admirer. Life is fucking hard and can be harder by someone who cannot function like a normal human.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 12:10 AM
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The vagina has a smell just fyi and you shouldn’t ever clean the inside of the vagina, only the labia with gentle soap and warm water. Lasting 4 hours sounds like a literal hellscape and I’d be in tears too. The clit isn’t hard to find hate to break it to you, it’s literally a sphere and incredibly hard to miss. My expectation is that you not be so friggin out of touch with female anatomy. If you want to use it for pleasure you need to know where shit is and not be pawing around like an animal. …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 11:54 PM
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Did you really think women like/want to be idolized?? I expect my partner to treat me the same way I treat them: my equal. I hold my partner to the same rigorous standards I hold myself to. I don’t ever want to move through life with some ducky pansy that thinks I’m gods gift to this earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 11:46 PM
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No you shouldn’t idolize any one ever. It’s incredibly dehumanizing to have some one project their desires on you at the expense of how you really feel. It’s also creepy af. Like red flag your partner is a stage 5 clinger that may go manic is idolization.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 11:21 PM
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Doesn’t mean she’s telling the truth on any front. She might just be tired of faking it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 08:41 PM
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No because I would never be so foolish as to idolize someone. It shows me that person is an idiot
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 08:33 PM
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For me, the issue is that all of your experience is casual. You don’t have demonstrated ability of being with a woman long term. If you were n=1 but from LTR that would be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 06:33 PM
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I don’t care about the exact number as much as the approach to sex. I have zero patience for men who participate and enjoy casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 05:43 PM
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Nah man it’s pretty universal that men need to be taught to be sex generous. Especially considering the age I was working with at the time, many had only one previous partner who didn’t demand quality from them. Girls talk, very view young men are capable of giving a woman an orgasm without comprehensive instructions
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 01:38 PM
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I was 18 with an ex bf
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 03:03 AM
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My partner and I plan to have him stay home for a bit once we have kids
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 02:32 AM
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I don’t scare them. I just end the encounter. You know remove consent. Nope I’ve been with my partner for 7 years and I only had to do it 2x in the beginning before he got the point. At baseline men are selfish in bed so that needs to be unlearned. The best way to do that is have natural consequences like not getting to finish.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/21 01:09 PM
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I never questioned wanting more but if it’s just a physical release then sex isn’t necessary it’s simply a nice to have
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/21 03:26 AM
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Yeah but most men can’t afford them regularly
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/21 03:18 AM
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Because it’s incredibly easy to tell when a guy is about to finish. At that point I know the opportunity has past so I just stop the encounter. They don’t get to use my body to finish if they don’t finish me as well
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 07:10 PM
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I literally end sexual encounters if I know I’m not getting an orgasm. Sex without orgasm is utterly pointless and I don’t participate in it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 05:32 PM
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I’d prefer to never have a bf like that so I’d be glad he changed
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 11:13 PM
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Except most men fall into one of 2 categories: don’t take critique well or can’t actually learn
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 06:53 PM
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If they are so easy to get off do it yourself is the point
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 06:52 PM
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They do in state school where every healthy weight average dude or gal is getting laid. That was the last time I was single
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 04:06 PM
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Nah these were high n men who thought they were gods because all the women before them most likely faked their orgasm. When I came along and pointed out their technique was incredibly unenjoyable they freaked oht
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 04:01 PM
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Yet the numbers don’t back that up. Women aren’t orgasming with men all that often while men reach orgasm most of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 04:00 PM
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Yeah considering we date true average look dudes our sample is the average male. Minus fat people as we are all fit so average healthy weight males
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 03:57 PM
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Men in may experience take feedback very poorly. I’ve seen everything from anger to immediate loss of erection.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 03:40 PM
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I said glimmer. As in hope of getting an orgasm. I won’t allow my partner to finish until I am ensured an orgasm. If I don’t get one he isn’t either
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 03:18 PM
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Personally I won’t go much more than 2 inches plus or minus my height of 5’10. I don’t want to stoop or stretch
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 03:17 PM
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If you’re not ugly or overweight then you’re fit and attractive. There’s not really a middle ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 02:00 PM
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No one, women included, want to fuck someone they aren’t physically attracted to. Doesn’t matter how passionate you are if your ugly or a fat ass
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 01:43 PM
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That’d be the end of the human species because I can’t see throngs of women having sex without even the glimmer of an orgasm
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 01:37 PM
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Aside from my current partner. Men are particularly bad a receiving sexual critique and terrible learners when it comes to sex. I’ve had a man go into a literal fit of rage because I didn’t like what he was doing. He punched a wall. I’d say 70-80% of the men I have been with and my friends have been with were bad at at sex and not coachable
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 01:33 PM
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Yes, if they want a partner who aligns with their values. I attracted a lot of religious conservatives when I was single so used OLD to find a nice atheist man. There were lots of others things I looked for but that was a huge one
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 10:31 PM
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Personally, not into subcultures so I would have very little in common with a man who was
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 04:49 PM
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My point is that marriage isn’t stacked against men in the US so OP doesn’t need to look elsewhere
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 03:02 PM
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I provided evidence that marriage isn’t stacked against men
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 01:24 PM
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I kept it vague intentionally. What I find attractive in a man isn’t what other women will. But the factors out of the man’s control include my mood, menstrual cycle, and other stressors
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 11:09 AM
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Never dated younger but 6 years max
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 03:25 AM
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Similar to another comment. There are a very limited number of men I’m attracted to a it’s a complex combination of factors some of which are out of the man’s control
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 01:17 AM
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Nah man. Child support is for the child. It’s not for the ex wife, it’s purpose is to ensure the child’s life is nearly identical to when it’s parents were married.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 06:19 PM
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Prenups don’t cover children. We weren’t speaking about that in the slightest. You can in fact get paternity tests done upon divorce. My cousin did it because his ex wife got pregnant and had a child while he was deployed
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 05:46 PM
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Chivalry was always in place to make a man look fuckable to a gender that as a whole was sold as weak. It was in place so certain men would look more fuckable than others. The only reason that men were expected to go above and beyond in protecting women is because they forced women to be second class and subjugated. People in society deserve protection in general, male or female.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 04:48 PM
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Scenario 1 but realistically the outcome of both of these is the same. Years of trust and intimacy was thrown away and will likely be very hard to ever get back
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 11:54 AM
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That’s fine. It still doesn’t fade with age
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 11:38 AM
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Pretty sure men aren’t only valued on looks
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 11:54 PM
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But I expect it from women as well. It’s not a male only thing. Being a good person and always aiming for self improvement and reflection is something that should be happening regardless of genitalia
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 09:54 PM
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The whole first paragraph is a lot of wind without concrete examples to really respond to. When exactly were men not looking out for their best interests? Typically being chivalrous ensured a mate and access to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 09:38 PM
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People earn respect in my eyes by going above and beyond to be a better person, self aware and reflective, and humble. I don’t have differing criteria for men vs women
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 09:33 PM
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Exactly which is why prenups are a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 09:32 PM
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Valued for my success. Being beautiful is mostly genetics with a little diet and exercise thrown in. There’s not a conceivable world where I would want all my value to be from something I have very little control over and fades over time
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 09:20 PM
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We said the same things. Men who want more child time need to do within the marriage itself. There’s little to no alimony awarded when both spouses worked. Alimony has nothing to do with children and everything to do with spousal support
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 09:02 PM
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Alimony typically only occurs if the woman stayed home full time and lost all opportunity to increase market value and skill. Child support is paid by the parent who chose not to be the primary caretaker of the children during the marriage. Men who want to ensure less child support best be super active and present in terms of actual caretaking
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 08:44 PM
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Then the fault is on these men who do not have open and candid conversations frequently. My partner and I started openly and weekly talking about sex about a month into our relationship because we both valued a great sex life. Most men aren’t comfortable talking about sex until they are unhappy with the situation. And being such a pansy about talking to their partner regarding sex is their fault. I would never encourage anyone to fake enthusiasm around sex. That’s pretty much lying to your partn…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 03:43 PM
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No we talk about sex on an at least weekly basis so that both of us are having our needs met. I’m slightly higher libido than he is so it’s important we are both clear on expectations. So in actuality he’s the gatekeeper as you describe it as he is less likely to be enthusiastically in the mood, but we also don’t view things as gatekeeper. I also find it odd that men want their female partners to not be starfish but also ignore when they say they aren’t enthusiastically in the mood. Like you can…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 03:08 PM
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Yes the goal should be to both be excellent partners but that doesn’t mean giving into your partners every whim all the time. Both my partner and I aren’t interested in having sex if the other isn’t enthusiastically in the mood. Nope I wouldn’t we would protect each other since we are equals. I’m not with my partner for protection and at this point I’m stronger than he is
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:59 PM
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Part of aiming higher is doing things whether or not you’re incentivized to do so. It’s sad to rely on personal gain just to aim to be a good person
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:56 PM
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Why would ever expect your partner to be meeting all your needs all the time? When my partner was sick and told not to have sex was I supposed to rape him to meet my “needs”? Part of being a great partner is understanding that your partner is their own person who cannot be obligated to meet your every whim. This is like saying your wife being in active labor and having to give you a BJ because you “need” one in that moment
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:53 PM
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No shit I’m not arguing that. But the aim shouldn’t be “bad” the aim should always being held to a higher standard
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:52 PM
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I’m not saying there’s a hard line between good and bad but we should all be working toward being better humans. Accepting mediocrity in yourself shouldn’t ever be acceptable behavior. Being kind, decent, empathic costs you nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:47 PM
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A partnership doesn’t mean you have unfettered access to another person’s body. There are plenty of reason why someone may not be in the mood when you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:35 PM
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I’d guess you could masturbate since ejaculation is all that’s required.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:28 PM
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I want all people to be this not just men. And it should be the baseline meaning you’re not getting patted on the back for being a decent human. I’m against the chivalry where men go out on a limb for a woman and then she swoons for him
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 11:22 AM
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Women respect men that deserve respect and vice versa. You don’t get respect just because you have a penis between your legs
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 11:21 AM
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Nah there are plenty of women stateside who don’t view men as wallets but men have to be willing to do an egalitarian relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 11:19 AM
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Whelp all it’s done is further confirm for me people don’t understand the concept of a need and can’t be trusted to adequately use the English language to describe how they feel about sex and relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 04:28 AM
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Industrial revolution forced hundreds of thousands of women and children into the labor force. It wasn’t shameful it was necessary for survival
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 04:09 AM
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You made an affirmative claim that means you either support it or it’s a dud that’s a fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 04:05 AM
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You’ve yet to actually show how sex is an absolute need for you. All you’ve said is it is but not any actual supportive evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 04:00 AM
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I don’t need it. I want it and I get it whenever I want it. But should my partner leave or die I wouldn’t also die from lack of sex. I’d probably grieve and find someone else
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 03:57 AM
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I’m not the one with issues wielding the English language
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 03:45 AM
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All this has shown me is that you struggle with the difference between want and need
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 03:30 AM
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Until you have a husband and children you’re an idiot if you’re not working. My mom stayed home with us our entire lives but she came into the marriage with lots of savings, a retirement package, and the equivalent of a six figure salary. Doing so set our family up for immense success.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 03:16 AM
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You’d rather not is exactly why it’s a strong and driving want. Your happiness is based on having a fulfilling sex life. However your ability to survive isn’t dependent on sex or happiness
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:03 AM
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No we aren’t because you want to be less and I want people to be more and better.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:02 AM
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I personally know many women who want to build lives with and do build lives with men. But these couples are much more egalitarian than past couples. It’s a different world and both sexes have had to adapt but that doesn’t mean they aren’t happy. However if you’re looking for a woman to stroke your ego and reward you for being a decent person then you’re gonna be sorely disappointed
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 02:02 AM
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No I’m saying chivalry by both sexes is literally the baseline of being a fucking human. You don’t get a participation trophy for being a decent human being. In the past it may have earned respect but that is only because women had to appease fragile ego men so they could survive
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 01:31 AM
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If it was such a reward there wouldn’t be so many men who walked out on their kids. By definition the top is smaller than the bottom. The top is women who want to build a life with you not use you for your resources and tying you down with a child
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 12:44 AM
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Why would you feel the need to do that for a woman who is your equal and isn’t returning the favor? What you’re describing as chivalry is just doing the right thing and is expected of all people. You don’t do the right thing because you’re getting anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 12:35 AM
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Yeah the fetish will be your wallet. Going abroad doesn’t make you all that more physically attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 11:39 PM
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Yeah that’s dumb as fuck then. I don’t need a man to bend over backwards for my affection. It’s desperate and not what I’m looking for in a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 11:21 PM
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So the goal is just to find one person to build a life with. You don’t need hundreds of women you just need one
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 11:20 PM
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If that’s the case you’re better off staying local. Going abroad you’ll literally be a walking, talking western wallet that will get fucked as an obligation
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 11:20 PM
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You do realize if you go to a foreign country you’re just going to be a wallet from the west? Like women aren’t going to fawn over you because they love you it’ll be because you have western money. Might as well just get an escort
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 10:44 PM
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So you’re judging off the bottom of the barrel women. Aim a little higher and raise your damn standards. Why would you ever compare yourself to someone you’re not
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 10:43 PM
2

Getting a woman pregnant isn’t exactly a skill. Building a life, being faithfully committed and creating a family is though and that’s not typically what the douche canoes are doing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 10:38 PM
4

In my experience they are the same thing. What men consider chivalry is just courtesy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 10:37 PM
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Because more and more countries are allowing women to fully work and if you go somewhere else you’ll need to be fully traditional so bank rolling the women you’re with. Kinda sad that you don’t want to be any more than the bare minimum though
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 10:35 PM
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Why would you be rewarded for being a decent human being? It’s like getting a participation trophy for not being a douche canoe
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 09:16 PM
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Being financially sound and stable is valued as baseline. It’s no longer the best a woman can get because she can provide that herself. So you need to bring more to the table than the absolute bare minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 09:14 PM
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I’m a rape victim myself. I don’t wish you dead at all because I know you won’t die from lack of sex. If anything I have full confidence that you could live to old age if you never had sex again.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 07:46 PM
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I’d like to see if you die if you went without it then. I think you have a warped idea of what needs versus wants are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 07:42 PM
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The basic needs are food, water and shelter. Not having at least one for long enough (key aspect, shelter can be gone without for longest but I’ve seen homeless people die from exposure) will lead to death. I’m just being abundantly clear on the difference between want and need. I have a hugely strong desire for sex but if I didn’t get it I could either masturbate or go without but not die. Having strong desires and wants is a critical part of life but they just aren’t needs. Having wants fulfil…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 07:38 PM
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Please point me to the people who have died from lack of sex? I’ve heard of death by starvation, dehydration and exposure but never by lack of genital stimulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 07:32 PM
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Yes and they die if they go without food for too long. That’s not the case with sex. It’s not a need to survive as an individual. Going without a need like food, water or shelter leads to death. Lack of sex does not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 07:28 PM
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Yeah it is unsavory and clearly proves the point that sex isn’t an absolute need. You wouldn’t be willing to rape to appease the urge so it’s not a life or death need. There’s nothing wrong with it being a strong desire that you want fulfilled but characterize sex as a need is incorrect
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 07:23 PM
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Some women might be interested but as I stated FWB is rarely as good in reality as it is in theory. I actually don’t need to be tolerant of the sorry fucks who rely on FWBs and then those relationships are compromised. Finding someone sexually and emotionally attractive is the definition of a romantic relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 07:07 PM
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Then those men should be honest so women can either clarify the friendship is platonic or remove them from their friend group. I think FWB is an incredibly stupid concept that rarely ends up working as it should in theory. Ideally a relationship is a sexual relationship mixed with a deep friendship. This issue is that fucking your friends permanently changes the dynamic and more often than not it isn’t an ideal change. I can identify a male friend as attractive and still not fuck him as I have c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 06:56 PM
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Where did I say that’s exactly how it was phrased? The theme is that they will not be considered as sexual partners. I don’t phrase it that way but that is the takeaway. I don’t need to couch my boundaries to make people feel better. Boundaries are meant to protect me not coddle others. By definition platonic friendship is not sexual. If someone wants friendship and sex then that’s a relationship. I’ve been single and had male friends and no not once were they ever sex partners. Being an ass and…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 05:35 PM
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So you’d be okay with someone watching you have sex to protect the sex worker? Like sitting next to the bed to ensure nothing bad happens and intervene if you overstep boundaries or don’t listen when consent is retracted? Wages cover not only skill but risk. Sex is high risk on multiple fronts so wages need to compensate for that. Especially given men aren’t great at consent with women they care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 03:16 PM
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That’s literally what a pimp does. Women are underpaid and their pimp makes money off the difference. Legalizing prostitution would need to offer protections to women from the abuses of pimps. Your bezos example doesn’t do that. Given the inherent high risks associated with prostitution women would need to be paid way more than that of an unskilled laborer.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 03:06 PM
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Half the point of legalizing prostitution is to allow women to work for themselves and not abusive pimps. You’re just describing the system we have now
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 02:57 PM
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How is rude to set a boundary with my body and relationships? Do you not value yourself enough to set boundaries? Do you let people walk all over you like a doormat? It’s telling them that if they want sex then pursue me for it but don’t try to be my friend as a back door entrance. And no I don’t mix platonic relationships with sex. Friends are off limits.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 01:06 PM
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If you’re opposed to raping someone when you “need” sex then it’s not truly a need. Needs mean you’ll do whatever it takes to get it. Since you seem opposed to that option sex is really only a strong desire
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 01:02 PM
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N is only low due to age of being taken off the market. It’s be higher if I was just out there enjoying sex for the past 7 years
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 02:25 AM
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For you or me?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 02:05 AM
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I mean personally I have no issue. I’m athletic, conventionally attractive and low n but was also taken off the market at 20
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 01:58 AM
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If sex was a need rape wouldn’t be an issue full stop. If you cannot justify taking sex when needed then it isn’t in fact a need. Merely a strong desire
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 01:54 AM
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I thought makeup was a way for women to cheat their looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 01:44 AM
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Let’s put it this way. If sex with a woman was a true need that required absolute fulfillment you’d be ready and willing to rape should the meed arouse you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 01:28 AM
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Doesn’t mean they will want to fuck you. You can’t rely on someone else’s body to fulfill a need. If you need a resource such as that it’s only a strong desire/want
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 01:25 AM
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It’s not really. Fulfilling a “need” as you put it shouldn’t be predicated on having another person’s body as a resource. If the need is sexual release then masturbation should and has to be enough
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 01:19 AM
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I’m saying being high n as a male doesn’t make you inherently valuable. Neither does a low n/virgin woman have inherent value. I’ve seen way too many marriages be sexless where a high n man landed a virgin only to find out she’s really not all that interested in sex outside of reproduction
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 01:18 AM
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Yes but that’s not a permanent way to ensure need fulfillment. They could die. Hence masturbation can and should be enough
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 01:10 AM
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Nope because your need cannot be predicated on the use of another persons body.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 01:08 AM
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Then masturbate and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 12:56 AM
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I can definitely say personally sex is not a need. It’s a want that varies in strength throughout my cycle. But def not anywhere close to a need
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 12:44 AM
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Then why can’t men suffice with masturbation and move on? If it’s only a physical need then it only needs physical stimulus to be relieved
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 12:42 AM
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Nope why would I waste my precious time on someone who isn’t invested in getting to know me?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 12:37 AM
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My partner is low n and so am I. I don’t ever want to be having sex with a man who lacks total self control, fucks everything with a pulse, and participated in casual sex. We fundamentally view sex differently and I wouldn’t waste my time with someone of that low value
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 12:36 AM
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Nope I tell my male friends from the start they will not ever be considered as sexual partners and if that’s what they want they should look elsewhere. Helps that I’m also in a secure LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 12:34 AM
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It’s not a doormat as all they are looking for is a listener. You’re supporting them the way they need support. Friends are there through the shit and the highs. You’re not really a friend if you’re only there for sunshine and rainbows.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 10:54 PM
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Nah sometimes just having an ear to listen makes it better.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 05:25 PM
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How is it abusive to share the ups and downs of life with people you love and care about? Supporting friends through tough times and issues is part of being a friend through thick and thin. Otherwise you’re just a shitty fair weather friend
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 05:09 PM
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Venting about your problems with someone you trust and love isn’t being abusive of the relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 05:03 PM
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Being a friend is predicated on you caring about the person, their life and their issues. Ever heard of venting? Nah I’m always ready and willing to listen to my friends. Even if all they need is an ear with no solution. That’s literally the definition of being a friend
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 04:35 PM
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So essentially you just don’t want any sort of relationship with women at all. What you’ve boiled it down to is that you don’t actually care about a woman’s life. Also there’s such a thing as just having someone to listen, that’s it full stop not fix it just listen
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 04:26 PM
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Listening to each others problems is kinda what being friends is. Like what do you think women talk to other women about? Problems are one of the topics
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 04:17 PM
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What is your definition of emotional tampon? Also I’m willing to pay for any friend. I’m not sure why you feel that you need to get sex to be a kind and generous person
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 04:12 PM
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Maybe when they face men like yourself. But the check is never an issue with my friends. Sometimes I pay in full other times my friends will. Some of my friends are grad students so they are tight on cash and I’ll pay for them so that we can enjoy time out together
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 04:05 PM
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No we just take turns treating each other as it’s a nice thing to do. In the long run it evens out
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:42 PM
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I’m not wrong we just disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:15 PM
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You absolutely could. I’m not making this one sided. The unrealistic part is in reference to what you deserve not what you can weasel your way into
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:28 PM
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That’s what it’s like being friends with women. We talk about fights and issues. We treat each other to activities. I do all of the things you mentioned and more for my friends
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:27 PM
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How so? Or are you just confusing “being used” with how women interact with friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:09 PM
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I have opposite sex friends and I hold them to the same standards as same sex friends with a few adjustments. I don’t tell my male friends I love them in the same way. I make sure they understand sex will never be a part of our relationship. That’s about it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:07 PM
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I’d die than participate in a war then. People have always had that option. But if they didn’t take it they chose to use their body to support the cause. People have always had a choice. But then again there was the honor of coming home a winner that was probably a nice little ego bump
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 01:54 PM
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You can have whatever standards you want. Doesn’t make them reasonable or realistic given your own past behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 01:52 PM
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Using a platonic relationship to get sex for yourself is where the exploitation occurs. It’s your fault that you would violate someone’s trust in you to the point of them not wanting to see you anymore. Actions have consequences and if you selfishly push someone’s boundary for your own selfish needs then it’s your fault if the friendship dissolves. It’s not the fault of the person maintaining the boundary
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 01:51 PM
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My point you seemed to miss was women may have started them as power heads but men were the ones out there fighting, they were the generals, for all intents and purposes men are the ones participating and continuing wars as a whole. I also don’t view myself as wrong. Men who choose to fight wars for women are just idiots
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 10:26 PM
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The perp
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 08:18 PM
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This is a genderless sentiment. If you can’t meet the standards you hold others to then you lack character and frankly a leg to stand on
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 08:08 PM
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Not all women. A lot of women want to be with men who share their views on sex and sexuality. Yes knowing how to make us orgasm is important but if you learned that by fucking everything with a pulse and being a community ride then there’s definitely an issue
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 08:08 PM
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A low n signals self control and disciplined
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 08:06 PM
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Whelp then you need to realize that there are consequences to your actions. To expect your partner to have the self control and discipline you desperately lack is hypocritical and completely ridiculous. You’re essentially saying you were allowed to make mistakes with your body but your future wife isn’t allowed the same
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 08:06 PM
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Great that you think that. We fundamentally disagree. I don’t use people I care about deeply to exploit for my own gain. I also don’t do casual sex. I do use acquaintances and social networks/OLD for the warm approach. Those people have no loving and respectful relationship being put on the line as there would be with trying to fuck your friends
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 06:59 PM
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Then why would you let other women violate your body? If you want sexuality purity then hold up your end of bargain so your potential partner doesn’t have to be with a man who has let other women violate and sexually touch your body. I think all people need to figure out their sexuality before settling down and find their equivalent. A virgin man would be best matched with a virgin woman. I’m annoyed with all people who have stupid and ridiculous standards. Not just men, women have unfettered st…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 06:57 PM
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No but they’ll likely not have a lasting relationship. Let’s be realistic given the current state of marriage. People are getting married who really aren’t compatible. How exactly is a woman more valuable if she’s a virgin. You don’t have any way to actually confirm it and she could have done many things outside of PIV. I prefer men who don’t have casual sex and only sex within relationships. I bring the same and once I started using that as a metric I met my partner. Given that men literally ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 06:37 PM
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Except in reality partners should be on par with each other. Women don’t have any inherent value for being a virgin. Only fucked up men think so. You should always be with someone whose sex practices and values align with your own. Honestly I don’t think anyone should be marrying their first. It’s a recipe for disaster
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 06:29 PM
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He values a certain type of person sexually (a controllable lifestyle choice) that he isn’t himself. He wants his partner to be held to a higher standard than he could meet. Approach to sex and body count are ideally similar for the best LTR results
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 06:24 PM
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I don’t give two shits about social norms
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 05:58 PM
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On a technicality yes, but I don’t really care about stupid people who will go out with people below their own standards. My issue is squarely with those who “prefer” only partners who are better than them on lifestyle fronts
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 05:58 PM
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It’s not hypocritical to do yourself a disservice. Hypocrisy comes in when you ask for more than you deserve. If you ask for less it’s just plain stupid
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 05:34 PM
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As long as it was absolutely and purely coincidental. If he liked her more for her virgin status my original statement applies
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 05:30 PM
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She’d be dating below her own self standard. My issue is when people try to say above their own standard. If you choose to date below it’s probably a mistake but yours to make
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 05:30 PM
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No it would be hypocritical. I’m saying that it’s chance of happening isn’t unreasonable. Past is the best indicator of future behavior. If virginity was a preference he should have held himself to the same ludicrous standard
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 05:13 PM
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Given that I still will choose to live my life with strong character and encourage others to do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:58 PM
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I feel like I’ve been saying the same thing over and over but I’m glad it’s making sense now. I do agree the man in this example could convince a virgin to be with him. However it would be deceptive and devoid of character which aren’t great ways to start a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:50 PM
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Yes but his lifestyle doesn’t align with that. Given past behavior is the best indicator of future behavior a fuck boi “changing his mind” doesn’t really mean much. It’s not about what he can do who he can convince to fuck him. It’s about character and not being a hypocrite with your lifestyle. For example, being fit, financially stable, and not into casual sex are top priorities. I bring all those things to the table so my standard for myself and others is the same. The most important thing is …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:45 PM
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Attractiveness is relatively uncontrollable due to it being mostly genetic. Any lifestyle preference you hold for a potential partner should be met by you. Otherwise you’re a hypocrite to nth degree. I’m not sure what’s not clear about that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:33 PM
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No because he’s less self controlled in his lifestyle. The reverse would be hypocritical for a high n person to want and actively seek low n people
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:18 PM
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I didn’t give an ambiguous answer. I gave answer that explains my thoughts on this extend beyond sex and body count. I feel people get very caught up on the sex aspect but I really apply this train of thought to all controllable lifestyle preferences. I don’t think it’s acceptable at all for a high n man to want a low n woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:05 PM
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I’m saying if you have a controllable lifestyle preference for a partner you need to be able to meet that yourself. This includes but not limited to body count/views regarding casual sex, financial habits, fitness status, healthy eating, education etc. When it comes to uncontrollable physical characteristics there’s a lot of gray area, but I think you need to be realistic about your preference. But women who are short and want a very tall man, to me, seem to be over shooting. Same as a man who w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 03:25 PM
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You should be able to meet your baseline standard, dating down is an option but not dating up. So a high n man can go for high n women but not the better low n since he has shown he lacks the capability to do so himself. Essentially I’m of the opinion of preferences that are life style based and controllable people should be able to meet their own standard that they have for others
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 02:56 PM
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Ones controllable and one is not. Men who want low n women should be low n themselves. Women who like really tall men honestly confuse me. I don’t see the appeal. I’m 5’10 and my partner 5’11 and it was only by chance he’s taller
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 02:44 PM
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I’m tired of this. We disagree. I think you’re predatory to people who care about you and love you. I couldn’t care less if you went after acquaintances like I did because there’s no relationship there to jeopardize
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 01:10 PM
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Unlike men I don’t take credit for the wars started by women just because we share the same sex organs. I don’t see a point of war and violence
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 01:08 PM
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Not sure what your point is with the whole first bit. I am aware of mens contributions to society. That’s still not a justification for war and violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 01:07 PM
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I have no issue with it except when they start to whine and complain and put on a whole show about how awful the opposite gender is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 01:06 PM
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Shows a lot of people are incapable of properly socializing and meeting a compatible person
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:20 AM
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That people have ridiculous standards, will degrade and make fun of the opposite sex for not meeting them and then use them to color their view of all people
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:19 AM
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I don’t actually care outside of a good laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:03 AM
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They’re all female so I don’t really worry about that in my inner circle. The men know that asking me out is 100% off the table as I’m not and never will be interested in them sexually. I don’t sleep around. I’ve only had 5 partners and one of them has been the same for nearly 7 years. I had no intention of dating gym bro when I met him. That is where we fundamentally disagree. Asking to fuck your friends is creepy and predatory. All humans are selfish. But I would never use my sexual interest t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:02 AM
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Both are equally terrible places to be. People who cannot find someone else fundamentally have something wrong with them. Most normal folk can find someone who makes them happy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 03:58 AM
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Yup it’s enough to show me who he really is. I have other litmus tests but the abortion one is the most effective
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 03:24 AM
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Nah that’s not it at all. People with absolutely ridiculous standards and insane insecurity are the least happy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 03:23 AM
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No I would call them stupid for only wanting men who make more. A lot of preferences get in the way of actual happiness
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 03:08 AM
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So you’re own insecurity is preventing commitment. Seems pretty pathetic
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 03:00 AM
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Well yeah…..I thought that was obvious
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 02:38 AM
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Yeah but how would they deal with abortion in their relationship. There’s a macro and micro level to this
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 09:05 PM
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I don’t agree that killing a pregnant woman is 2 counts of murder and it’s not in every state. Viability to live in a way not akin to being a parasite makes someone a person due to they are not relying on the body, organs and resources of a particular person
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 09:04 PM
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Like I said before, my first value is being pro choice. Also the likelihood of that scenario is pretty much null so it’s not worth using as an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 09:02 PM
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A baby outside of the womb is a person. They aren’t being raised for slaughter. However a developing fetus isn’t given the rights of a person
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 08:51 PM
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It’s not a person so I see no issue with its termination. No independent, viable, and sentient person uses the organs, blood and resources of another while the host is still alive
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 08:40 PM
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My ethics don’t matter given my core values of being pro choice. If a woman doesn’t want to be pregnant and/or be a parent she has every right to ensure that outcome
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 08:36 PM
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I don’t view it as murder as it’s not a sentient and independent being. A fetus most closely resembles and behaves like a parasite.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 08:35 PM
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It’s a human fetus. It’s not a person who is able to not depend on the organs and resources of the body it’s physically attached to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 08:20 PM
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I’m not going to push my ethics onto another person so it doesn’t matter. That’s the whole point of pro choice. You get to choose what is best for you and in alignment with your ideals/values
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 08:19 PM
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I’m not saying it won’t develop into a human. But it’s not one yet. It’s in development, so it’s independent and sentient being isn’t currently present.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 08:08 PM
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An infant can be dropped at an orphanage and cared for by total strangers. An infant isn’t dependent in the same way on its caregivers as it was on its biological mother during gestation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 08:07 PM
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Nope, it makes it less than ideal as we don’t have a means to transfer parental rights if the fetus is removed after the point of viability. I wouldn’t get an abortion after viability unless there were concerns. But I wouldn’t stop someone else from doing it. But I would never criminalize late term abortion due to the fringe cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 08:06 PM
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But who it’s caregiver is doesn’t matter. A fetus is using the body, blood and resources of a particular human being. A caregiver of an infant doesn’t have to use its internal organs and blood to keep the infant alive. An infant could technically be cared for by a different person everyday. I don’t view it as murder because it’s only a potential human life not an actual human life. You can’t murder potential
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 07:52 PM
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At viability I’m not opposed to removal of fetus and the woman getting to sign away full rights and having zero to do with the child. I just don’t see any point in forcing women to gestate or be parents. There are enough fucked up people in the world we don’t need more people reproducing that don’t want to. Those legal fringe cases are the most important and laws should cater to them
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 07:47 PM
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I don’t want a bend. I’m pro choice not pro choice sometimes or if there’s a certain condition. Not wanting to gestate or be a parent is reason enough for abortion
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 07:45 PM
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An infant isn’t dependent on its caregiver the same way a fetus is. A fetus is dependent on the female it is physically attached to and growing inside of. An infant doesn’t require any particular caregiver. You’re exactly right I’m for ending a potential human life for the sake of the humans already alive. I don’t think women should be forced to gestate and people in general shouldn’t be forced into parenthood. The lives of those already living are more important and valuable than any potential …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 07:44 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 07:41 PM
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It’s dependent on another human but not a particular human. An infant isn’t physically attached or inside of its caregiver. Not a clump of cells past a certain point but also not a viable individual human being. I don’t agree that the murder of a pregnant woman should count as double homicide
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 07:41 PM
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I would never make a late term abortion illegal as it keeps women from getting the healthcare they need. I had a friend who very much wanted her pregnancy and was so excited to be a mother. She found at 27 weeks that her fetus if it survived to birth would live for a short period and die incredibly painfully. She couldn’t let that happen so she got a late term abortion to save herself and her future child immense pain. Also if late term abortions are illegal many doctors will not induce a woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 07:27 PM
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Yes but you can fuck and not want to be a parent. Not sure why we would want people who don’t want to be parents forced into doing so. Very odd. Not to mention a fetus isn’t an independent and sentient being. It’s a parasite that requires a woman’s body to develop and survive
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 07:24 PM
1

How so? What about human nature requires violence?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 07:22 PM
3

I realize it’s a human fetus. However that fetus is completely dependent on the body, blood and resources of a woman and is not an independent and sentient being.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 07:22 PM
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Well there’s always the point of not forcing women to be incubators.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 07:13 PM
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A fetus doesn’t equate to a child. It’ll be one with further development but not until the point of viability. That and to force someone to gestate with all the given risks is horrendous
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 07:13 PM
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Wars and violence don’t have to exist. They aren’t a requirement of human nature
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 07:12 PM
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That doesn’t work for a LTR at least not one worth it’s salt. Eventually your true self will emerge and lying to your partner about who you are is despicable
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 07:11 PM
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I have an incredibly strong and loving inner circle of girlfriends and a group of 20-25 close friends. In addition my partner and my extended family. I can tell within the first few encounters if someone is datable. The difference is once you are my friend that is the full stop. The relationship will never ever move past that. You view your female friends a potential sexual partners. But would you tell your partner all the friends you fucked, how often, for how long, and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 07:10 PM
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That’s def a challenge. My parents are moderate conservatives so I get the struggle of not feeling at home within your own political party. My parents are pro choice, pro science, atheists which doesn’t match the current religious dogma of the party
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 07:07 PM
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It’s an option that’s deployed quite frequently and a difficult one to reign in once started. Reality doesn’t have to involve the killing of so many men. For a person who’s male I’m surprised that you’re so for something that disproportionately harms and kills men
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 06:50 PM
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Why should war be our default? It’s literally just sending your own out to slaughter
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 06:13 PM
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Love and exclusivity aren’t the same thing. I never said sex was only for people I love. I’ve said multiple times the emotional and physical relationships were built in tandem because compatibility on both fronts is crucial. If I liked someone of friend material enough to fuck them then I’d just date them from the start. I don’t mess around with making someone a friend to keep on the back burner as a possible fuck. Friends are friends full stop. I’m not sure why you think that just because we di…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 06:00 PM
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Which wars were started over women with inflated egos? There’s not really an excuse for the violence seen in most wars. My mind about the draft was changed by speaking with more progressive feminists than myself. I don’t think war should happen and I don’t think we should have a draft but if it comes to it, it should be for all able bodied citizens (usual disabilities excluded and no pregnant people as they would be a liability)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 05:57 PM
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Is not the murder part it’s the considering it a sentient and independent human being that’s the issue. A fetus before viability isn’t that
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 05:40 PM
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And that is exactly why I would never date a pro life conservative
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 05:24 PM
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Yes but women don’t directly choose them. Typically when voting you’re picking the least shitty candidate not the perfect candidate that aligns with your values and will carry things out exactly as you want
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 05:23 PM
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Everyone in my family is in agreement and we are all hardworking members of our communities that dedicate hours of time and financial resources to charity. There’s nothing wrong with mothers and fathers being equally present in the lives of their children. My father was heavily leaning provider only and he has always said it was his biggest regret in having children. My partner and I are working hard and saving/investing harder so that we can incredibly present for our children and work will com…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 05:21 PM
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I will never be in agreement that violence is the answer. Especially when it involves the sacrificing of our own. More than have of recruits come from neighborhoods with a household income less than $67k https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/demographics-us-military
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 05:19 PM
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I work hard myself and am part of society and therefore get to derive societal benefit. But that doesn’t mean I need to be supportive of using violence as a means to an end. It doesn’t say much about a country that offers it’s own poor men up for slaughter. I’m in the camp that war is detrimental to society and men in particular. Service men and women are at increased risk of mental health issues, disability and death. I don’t wish that on anyone and think institutions that encourage it should b…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 05:14 PM
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Dispose of them? I didn’t love gym bro when I asked him out. He was an acquaintance. He then raped me, why would I continue to be friends with him? I don’t sleep with them until exclusivity. Again I’ve only had 5 partners and my current partner and I have been together for nearly 7 years
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 05:12 PM
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I fully plan on being a parent and it’s in my partner and I’s 5 year plan. I take issue with men who want children and then don’t do the work of raising them and in the same breath also say how critical 2 parent homes are. There’s very few tasks in this world that have to be gendered. If the penis or vagina isn’t involved in execution of the task, there’s no reason to gender it. I love and look forward to mothering but that is only the case if the father of my child is equally dedicated to being…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:37 PM
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Women aren’t the ones on diplomatic missions. It’s usually men
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:33 PM
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If you can’t get them through diplomacy war isn’t the smartest option. All it says is we can’t use words so we will sacrifice our own, typically the poor who use military service to get out of poverty
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:27 PM
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I’m not sure why there’s really war at all. Just shows failed diplomacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:17 PM
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It means these men will have a harder time on the dating market given their views particularly towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:12 PM
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For me it comes down to pro life vs pro choice. It’s rare to meet a republican who is vehemently pro choice
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:06 PM
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Yeah a man started a war over wanting to own pussy. I can’t feel an ounce of empathy
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:05 PM
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Again they don’t. After the initial break up period I can honestly say we hold very little animosity. The only ex of mine in infamy is the one who raped me
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 03:57 PM
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War is sad and pathetic outcome of men with inflated egos. So yeah I don’t have much issue with men dealing with the stupidity of other men. But if we were to invoke the draft it should be men and women Again there’s not a huge reporting body when the men on the volunteer company are also the local law makers. I could do the skills but at that point it was clear they wanted an all boys club so they could say women were too weak for it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 03:42 PM
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The vast majority of women don’t do that for each other
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 03:35 PM
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No it wouldn’t because you’re preying on women who are your friends. Lazy, predatory attempt to get laid. Nope the people who’s personality I love and I also want to fuck are the people I date. The only man who is fuckable and my best friend is my partner. But our emotional and physical relationship developed in tandem
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 02:52 PM
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Or you know men fight wars that other men start. How about we just not go to war?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 02:48 PM
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Why would women help men fuck their friends and then leave?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 02:45 PM
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Friends aren’t sexual partners and I don’t participate in casual sex. I’m not stupid I just disagree with you. Seems like you can’t get women on your own so you use your friends as a predatory pool of women to fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 01:34 PM
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Who the actual fuck is taking women out and spending hundreds on date? That’s complete insanity
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 01:01 PM
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I’m anti draft There’s no one to report to it was a volunteer fire company
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 11:28 AM
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Yes but it’s the same concept of caring for children. Whether I was paid or not or whether they were mine didn’t change that it was touch overload and not stress from a traditional career. There aren’t many careers outside of child care where touch overload is the specific factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 02:23 AM
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There’s a lot of push back to it. Military service is rampant with rape. I tried entering a volunteer fire company and was asked to do a physical test not a single man there could perform to “prove” myself
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 01:55 AM
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Well there are men married to women who are SAHM and I was with my current partner when I was a nanny. I remember one time when I came home and he hugged me and it took all my will power to not scream at him for touching me
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 01:54 AM
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If I had to guess it’s because there’s a lot of men who have pushed them to the point of discomfort for sex acts. That was my experience and my continued refusal ended up with my partner at the time raping me in my sleep
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 01:03 AM
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You forgot a huge one….child care. My libido was lowest when I was a nanny. Touch overload is a thing and quite common when caring for small children
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 12:20 AM
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I take no issue with women learning trades. Not sure where you thought I did otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 10:53 PM
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Women don’t have to be the ones doing it. Men are fully capable of caring for children. It’s a learned skill like anything else, many men choose not to learn it. You keep saying the importance of womens support role, well men could be the supporting gender I just don’t see most men willingly doing so
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 07:23 PM
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Not my experience so I can’t speak to it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 05:03 PM
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You do realize women putting on *some fat during puberty is the whole point of puberty? It’s the female body preparing for the possibility of carrying a fetus
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 04:23 PM
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Ok I’m not going through this again. It’s predatory as fuck but you’ll keep doing it. I’m really not sure why a woman would continue to want to be “friends” with someone who only wants her for a quick fuck. Clearly there’s no changing your mind on this and you’ll keep doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 03:02 PM
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There is when you go about getting it in a predatory way from people who thought they were your friend. Personally I think people look for a quick fuck are just kinda sad
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 02:55 PM
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And then I clarified get off it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:44 PM
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I’m speaking of physical
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 12:55 PM
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Yes but more women are killed/abused by their male partners than the reverse
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 12:37 PM
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There’s not a person on the planet who isn’t selfish. You’re not making some sort of grandiose point. However I control my selfishness and don’t use it against the people I love and care for just so I can get a quick fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 11:30 AM
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How are we still using this bs source that’s absolutely not rigorous in methodology nor peer reviewed
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 02:43 AM
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I think you’re wildly misinterpreting the meaning of the saying. Women don’t always need individual men in a personal sense especially women who make more than their selection of potential partners. Not that men haven’t collectively contributed to society.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 02:41 AM
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I never said it wasn’t selfish to use an acquaintance. I don’t owe them jack shit. And you absolutely owe your friends trust, respect and love. If you don’t I’m seriously wondering what you define as a friend because I think we are working with wildly different definitions
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 02:38 AM
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That’s more common courtesy than overt kindness when it comes to service workers
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 11:32 PM
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Nope I’ve always assessed for red flags. Falling head over heels for someone it the epitome of dumb ass behavior. Especially as a woman, the person most likely to hurt or kill me is my intimate partner
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 11:31 PM
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Hence vetting failed me. I saw no red flags and yet it still happened
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 10:57 PM
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I appreciate that
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 10:25 PM
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I’ve brought it up here before and there’s been a few ehhh comments. But I’m not insecure about the experience and am confident in that I didn’t deserve it and it wasn’t my fault
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:32 PM
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Worst case I remove the comment, but I’m not going to couch my experience to appease the egos of other men
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:26 PM
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I had an experience go wrong. I was in a relationship where we were open and honest about sexual kinks and boundaries. 6 months in I was woken up by him raping me via an act that was a hard no. Prior to this there were no red flags and our relationship was progressing without hiccup
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 09:07 PM
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I don’t really have any insecurities when it comes to relationships. And there’s nothing wrong with being selfish to people who don’t have any meaningful relationship with you. You don’t owe them anything. You owe your friends loads of respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 06:04 PM
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And we should be striving for better and not remain stagnant
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 05:33 PM
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The issue is quality of data source. You can want whatever you want but if you’re going to use data as a support you need to use a rigorous source and not some lobbying group that puts out “findings” without proper peer review. Also a fair bit of these sources say there are similar outcomes for men and women, although a bunch are behind a paywall so I can’t fully verify
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 04:12 PM
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And that points to their lower quality. Self control and self discipline are skills you either hone and perfect or accept you’re faulty on and therefore lower value.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 03:31 PM
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I think those women are trash. Marriage by definition is monogamous fidelity. If you can’t handle that don’t marry. Easy peasy lemon squeezy. Not everyone is cut out for marriage or has the dedication and self control to handle it. That’s fine they just needn’t lie to themselves and others
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 03:07 PM
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Nah it doesn’t bother me personally because it’s never been an issue for me but it does show me most men are hypocrites who lack wild amounts of self control and most women have terrible standards
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 01:57 PM
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I know but you also struck me as one of those fuck around but marry a virgin ass hats
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 01:45 PM
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The data in the article is from the institute of family studies aka a right wing ultra conservative Christian lobbying group that has absolutely zero peer review to the studies and highly questionable sampling methods
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 01:04 PM
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How exactly is having sex not respecting their body?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 01:02 PM
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Clearly we wouldn’t be compatible. You’d probably be compatible with a high n woman who also enjoys casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 12:52 PM
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Then when women say all men are trash you agree? /s
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 12:51 PM
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What exactly am I lying about? I’m not sure how you still don’t understand the difference between friend and acquaintance. There was no trust, emotional intimacy or love being betrayed with gym bro
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 12:50 PM
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All I’m saying is if a study is to be quoted it shouldn’t be cherry picked
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 04:02 AM
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I assumed double blue cap was blue pill. Exploit is to selfishly take advantage. So if you’re predatory you are seeking to selfishly take advantage of someone. That is what you’re doing by asking a friend for sex. You’re selfishly seeking sex from them when that’s not part of the relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 04:00 AM
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Oh I agree. I just pointing out the hypocrisy
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 03:14 AM
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All I’m saying is if we use it for women we use it for men as the study commonly quoted mentions both men and women
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 02:53 AM
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Who cares if it’s blue pill it’s my reality. Predatory means to seek to exploit others. That’s what people are doing when they use their friends as a fucking pool
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 02:13 AM
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I merely referencing the study all the men here reference. Last time I checked it was the 3rd or 4th search on google for me
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 01:35 AM
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Nah you just have to be okay with not fucking everything with a pulse.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 01:33 AM
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Read the studies. I’m not here to read for you
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 01:31 AM
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And those women are just as stupid as men who make decisions with their little heads. I’ve never said more is better when it comes to standards. I’m saying you need to meet the standards you expect from others and not compromise on people. I’m speaking of any standard that’s a lifestyle choice. This includes sex, finances, children, health, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 11:16 PM
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I said standing your ground may involve being alone for longer. The point is a quality relationship not a load of shit quantity. If you want an exceptional partner you need to also be exceptional
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 11:12 PM
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Odd take for the demographic that wants a woman who fucks them like a rabbit
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 11:10 PM
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Where did I claim that? I think hypergamous women are idiots and I think men who act with their little heads are also idiots. People would do better if they all had better standards and boundaries for themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 11:07 PM
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When I was young and doubtful about myself. But not since being an adult with more than an ounce of self worth
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 11:06 PM
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I’m not sure why you keep bringing up crying. People cry who the fuck cares? I’m talking about men who make decisions with their dick instead of truly assessing for LTR potential. Dating a woman who isn’t financially stable when you are is dumb as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 10:58 PM
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Except the studies men point to about pair bonding and infidelity have the same findings for men and women in terms of the correlation of high n and decreased pair bonding and increased infidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 10:55 PM
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It is stupid but part of having standards is not accepting that kind of shit from someone else. Why would you be with a person who treated you like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 10:53 PM
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