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Lol. I don't know exactly how tall he is. Close to my height, though. Maybe 5'9 or 5'10? I never measured his dick, but I think it's a pretty average size. Has a slight upward curve that's pretty nice. The attraction is mostly about how exciting the sex was for me. I'm into some off the wall stuff and so is he. Worked out great for the both of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/19 04:01 PM
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For the women: 1) Are you child free yourself? Or do you have children? I'm don't have any biological children and don't plan on having any. 2) Did/would you consider the age of the child to be a factor, and to what extent? Sure. My SD was six when I first met her. I'm not sure it would have worked out if she had been a toddler or younger. The child's behavior is also a huge factor. I couldn't have married my husband if his daughter acted like demon child. 3) Is whether his child is out of a pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/19 12:50 PM
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Female. I'm into some fairly out there stuff and incorporate a lot of it into my sex life. I married a man who's also into it and we generally enjoy ourselves. My interests have definitely steered me away from more vanilla partners before, so there's that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/19 12:42 PM
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I know several couples who are open and it appears to work from the outside. Husband and I are also open and it works for us. We began the relationship this way, though, and I think it helps that we're both pretty kinky.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/19 01:42 PM
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When was the last time you felt you were in danger or uncomfortable around a man or woman? About ten months ago. My husband had a mental break and, long story short, I was scared for myself and others in his life. We nearly divorced over it. How old were you when you first found yourself in a dangerous or uncomfortable situation? I guess I was twelve? One of the older boys at school walked up and groped my chest. His friends weren't far away and they were laughing, so I guess it may have been a …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 03:09 PM
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It really makes me wonder...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 12:33 PM
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For sure. Some of the best sex I've ever had was with a guy most people would think is ugly. He's into the same niche things I am, which made the sex constantly exciting. I'm still highly sexually attracted to him and it's been nearly five years since I've seen him in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 04:30 AM
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Lol! Men don't typically provide clitoral stimulation at the same time as PIV... At least in my experience. It isn't actually that difficult to achieve since either partner can do it, though. Anyway, I was thinking more along the lines of oral/digital stim as a precursor to PIV.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 04:07 AM
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Vibes aren't even required, but sure, why not? Point is your number wasn't accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 03:54 AM
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About 75 percent of all women never reach orgasm from intercourse alone -- that is without the extra help of sex toys, hands or tongue. And 10 to 15 percent never climax under any circumstances. Stimulation aside from PIV is a normal part of sex. Per your own article, accounting for this leaves 10 to 15 percent of women who never climax. This is not most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 03:39 AM
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I subconsciously choose to date men who embody the negative traits of my father, even though I'm consciously looking for his positive traits. Such is life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 01:23 PM
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I don't know what to tell you about the nerd hate. I think attempts to make computer science environments more inclusive by changing decor are ridiculous, but that's not what I'm arguing. You said there was no direct cause for the "women in stem" movement, but there is. Whether or not you or I think it's a legitimate cause doesn't really matter. At no point do these advertising campaigns say that. They point this out all the time. It's the entire reason the Educate Girls NGO exists and they're n…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 11:03 PM
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You're not saying, "Hey, there is a direct cause of your lack of advancement in STEM, so here's a solution to it" as the examples above did. You're saying, "For some reason, your inherent characteristics are not sufficiently manifested in this career field - therefore we are going to advance your interests." The people who push girls into STEM are doing so because they believe that girls are socialized into being disinterested in it. I don't agree with that and I'm sure you don't either, but tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 09:57 PM
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So yes, the government should be able to force citizens to undergo medical procedures?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 06:12 PM
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Long term partnership isn't for everyone, and not everyone is boring and stable. Partner with someone who is naturally spontaneous, or just have STRs of that's your thing. It's your life. I'm unendingly glad to have a partner in the daily grind, but that's me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/18 04:08 AM
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Would it be surprising if feminists were called fat as kids? I'm almost certain that has happened to every female in the US. So no.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 10:04 PM
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Girls know that looks matter very early on. I think I started really stressing about my weight around age ten. There was no aha moment that I can remember, I just knew my body was gross. The only time I was ever successful at losing weight was when I did it for my health. I'm lighter now than I have ever been, but I'm still overweight. I've also never managed to give a damn about makeup or style. I got married a few years ago. Never had issues finding boyfriends, either. Men have widely varied t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 09:58 PM
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Work. We were friendly until I left for another job. We lost contact for a couple of years and then hit it off on Facebook over a post he made about one of my favorite musicians.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 06:35 PM
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One way that children learn emotional regulation is by interacting with other children. It sounds like your child needs significantly more socialization than she is getting. Otherwise I really can't tell what your complaint is. Do you just dislike the feeling of not being in control? What is it that you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 06:05 PM
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If we're talking about deference just for the sake of being male, it's diminished a great deal. I do see it happen sometimes in my workplace; but it is mostly the older, religious and less accomplished women who have that attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 12:57 AM
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but I can't get over the fact that this is how women frame sex to begin with. Some women do actively treat sex as a reward. If she's doing it intentionally, I can see your point. From my experience, starting in HS, women framed their virginity like a sacred piece of them to be given only to the most worthy. I don't believe this is a built in feature. Girls are (or at least were) taught to guard their virginity. Locks should only be opened with one key, why buy the cow when you can get the milk f…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 12:37 AM
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Yes, I see it frequently. Humility is a big deal in Catholic circles and among shy types. I also frequently see people of both sexes who appear flagrantly self-absorbed. Humans are a mixed bag. I'm not even convinced that this is a young people problem. Young people are just more likely to parade themselves around the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 03:00 AM
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Debate isn't typically for the debaters. The point is to influence the people reading. I've changed my mind on a few topics since coming here, mostly by absorbing arguments that other people engage in. Exposing oneself to different viewpoints is important and healthy. Even if they make you roll your eyes on occasion.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 10:45 PM
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Flip side of that coin is that they're more likely to be very set in their ways and biases. I appreciate the life experience bit, but I wouldn't classify a behavior as mentally ill just because my traditional WASP grandma thinks it is. Anyway, I get your point. This is just an odd way to explain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 06:19 PM
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Every person on the planet harbors personal bias, elders included.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 06:03 PM
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Why is child-free included here? There are tons of men involved in those communities, too. As for what drives women to be involved with the anti-patriarchy cult to the point of obnoxiousness, I think it mostly boils down to victim mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 06:00 PM
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I've only ever heard of women being told to specifically respect men in fundamentalist religious circles, but that's more about submitting to and obeying them. Spheres of influence, etc. Most people where I'm from are taught to offer common courtesy and respect in the way you mean it to everyone. The additional "respect women" is an add on. So I think the issue you're pointing out is a variation of 1, having less to do with purity and more to do with real or imagined power differentials between …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 05:45 PM
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No children for me at all, thanks. It would be worse if I was pregnant and he desperately wanted it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 10:37 PM
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It's completely normal for me to go weeks or months without contacting friends. I wouldn't contact family as much, either, but my parents are old and it makes them happy to hear from me. I have two friends left who deal with my extended periods of absence and general conversational awkwardness. I am married, though, so maybe that disqualifies me. I can't withdraw for weeks from someone I live with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 02:15 AM
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My husband already knows about it through me and appears to have no interest in the "pills". We do discuss gender dynamics a lot because we're interested in the subject. I would only mind him visiting the sub if he decided to go all Rambo woman-hater on me. There's plenty of good stuff to pick up there, but I'm fairly certain he already knows most of it. The only way I could see it benefitting us at this point is maybe in helping him set boundaries for himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 04:57 PM
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Dystopian?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 04:45 PM
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Net tax paying women can have our "not all men" moments, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 12:14 AM
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So women are not happier than men all over the world? No, that's exactly backwards. MENA is the area of the world with the biggest gender happiness gap. And it's in favor of women. You're right, I read that wrong. That's surprising, but I could see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 11:51 PM
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Are they stressed because the work is stressful, or are they stressed because they're not used to having to deal with anything difficult in their life? Do you think the average woman doesn't deal with anything difficult in their life? That's not true IME, at least. Teaching and child care are easy professions with lots of downtime and flexibility, not to mention job security (tenure) and benefits that pretty much beat any other job out there. I wouldn't call most child care exceptionally difficu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 11:45 PM
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I appreciate you providing data. I don't believe this is demonstrating what you think it is, though. When read in it's entirety, that chapter says that men and women are fairly close in happiness when all factors are taken into consideration. Also that women are least happy in the Middle East and Africa, which I mentioned. And yes, men die more often than women of heart disease and smoking. The heart disease is often caused by the smoking or diet. You are assuming that men develop these issues d…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 11:25 PM
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Were we talking factual statistics? I'm not arguing that women don't experience privilege. I'm arguing that different people experience different privilege and it's incorrect to assume that only one group benefits from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 11:07 PM
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Well now we're just leaving actual job duties behind. Ok. Why are women are happier than men everywhere in the world? I highly doubt that. Women are more neurotic and depressed on average and are still second class citizens in much of the world. Maybe Western women are happier than Western men, but I wouldn't bet on it. You're just off the mark suggesting that women are less stressed. https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/stress/2010/gender-stress.aspx Why is their adult mortality rate lower? …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 11:02 PM
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Got any reasoning to back that up? You could at least address my claims. I don't think I have ever met a more stressed group of people than public school teachers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 10:40 PM
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I read the thread. It's just silly to act so indignant over choices other people make. All of those professions are difficult, just not due to the physical labor and immediate bodily danger involved. Men certainly take the cake on that. Hospital nurses are grossly overworked, they deal with exposure to infectious disease and are literally responsible for their patient's lives every day. Much more directly than the doctors are, even. Death is arguably our most primal fear and hospice workers have…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 10:34 PM
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Men go into dangerous jobs because they are willing to do them. Not because some vaguely sinister government agency forces them. Most men I've talked about this with in infantry and construction don't want women on the job with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 10:03 PM
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I assume you don't just sit there wordlessly feeling sympathy at her. Words come out of your mouth, maybe you hug her. Either way you are actively performing a loving action. Fixing the bike would also be a loving action. What kind of dumbass wants sympathy over a noisy bike, though? Did this actually happen to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 09:46 PM
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Plenty of men do act this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 08:03 PM
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Providing sympathy/empathy is an action. A loving action, even.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 07:54 PM
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Each person experiences their own privileges. I 100% agree that the current mainstream concept of male privilege is ridiculous, but so is much of what you've written here. Privilege doesn't all roll up to the evil "others" no matter how much third wavers and MGTOW types want it to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 07:16 PM
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Inconsiderate Oh, I forgot about this one. My husband has a habit of leaving legitimate messes around. I don't know if it's because he knows I'll take care of them or because he just doesn't care. Soda explodes in the freezer? Leave it. Milk boils over rendering the burner completely unusable until it's scoured cleaned? Leave it. Set the stove on fire? Put it out and then leave it. An ex of mine was like this, too. Do parents not make boys clean up after themselves or am I just attracted to inat…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 06:31 PM
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Covert contracts are a pretty big issue, but I think both sexes have that problem. Just don't hold me to some invisible standard and then sulk or explode at me when I don't live up to it. As lots of men have said in the other thread, I can't read minds. That plays into being put on a pedestal, which has been an issue for me in past relationships. It's a very uncomfortable place to be and will lead to nothing but pain and disappointment for the both of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 04:36 PM
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I might be surprised. Southern men don't have cosmetic surgery all that often as far as I know. I wouldn't care as long as it isn't an obsessive or seriously detrimental thing for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 08:03 PM
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I'm married. I'd rather stay home or socialize with small groups of close friends and it was the same when I was single. My husband and I met through work, if you're curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 08:59 PM
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Are you trying to politely describe vaginal discharge? Unless she is anatomically quirky in the regard, that wouldn't be enough. It's more likely that he used some other form of lube. If it happened at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 08:55 PM
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Question 1. Do you enjoy public spaces such as bars parties clubs etc where people partake in drinking and socializing of any kind.(doesn't have to include alcohol/drugs.) Not at all. I actively avoid them. Question 2. Do you think it is appropriate to flirt with strangers in these spaces, make advances or be sexual in your nature. Sure. That's what parties and clubs are for. It's part of the reason I don't care for them. Question 3. Sort of a bonus question but someone said in the post about se…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 08:49 PM
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If it happened exactly the way this person wrote? Yes. Particularly because of the fighting. He just helped himself without talking to her about their earlier conflict and appears to have some serious emotional ups and downs. It's also incredibly weird to say "go back to sleep" in that situation, assuming there's been no prior discussion. If my husband did this, no. We've already talked about it and have the green light for this kind of thing. He would not be a jerk about it and keep going if I …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 08:32 PM
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I struggle with concept of masculinity as an identity and subsequently how emasculation works. I do understand that men are the performers in human sexual dynamics and their gender roles and norms have not shifted the way ours have. I just don't understand how so many small interactions can be considered emasculating. It feels like I'm navigating a maze sometimes and even though I carefully choose my words in order to avoid being an emasculating harpy, I still mess it up sometimes in ways that d…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 05:14 PM
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I'm not a lesbian, so my opinions are conjecture. They have the highest rate of divorce. Ever heard of u-haul lesbians? They get serious FAST. I can see how that would be detrimental to long term stability. Least amount of sex. Makes perfect sense. Lower sex drives = less sex. The lesbian couples I know are going strong and don't seem to be bothered by this. Highest rate of demosticf violence. Wikipedia and the other sources I found via Google say that the research on this is muddy. Do you have …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 08:54 PM
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I'm sure it does seem easy as a man. It seems easy to meet a woman's emotional needs as a woman, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 08:24 PM
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A man's sexual needs within marriage (or and LTR) are as much emotional as they are physical. All things considered, I think the effort required is comparable. Men need significantly more than mechanical blowjobs on demand. You have to puff your man up. Help him feel like a prime, desired specimen even as he goes through the inevitable trials of life. Be always enamored with his masculinity and make sure he feels the love you have for him through sex even though you might feel loved more via som…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 08:16 PM
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If he's attempting and she isn't satisfied, they need better communication and/or more realistic standards. If those things aren't the answer, the relationship might not be worth it because one or both of these people may be dysfunctional. Dysfunctionality is arguably the norm for both sexes, honestly. IME, men can sometimes try really hard to meet the needs they think their wives need without understanding what their needs actually are. It's sort of like when women meet their husbands' needs fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 07:21 PM
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I'll give it a go. Fuck your man when he wants it and with enthusiasm / Listen to your woman when she wants it and with enthusiasm. Give your man your best sexual self / care for your woman's needs with your best effort. Remain sexually attractive and don't be a cunt or a mommy moo / Remain sexually attractive and don't be an asshole or a doormat. It's not that hard. I agree with the assertion that people are overall responsible for their own emotional and mental well being. That is not what the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 06:50 PM
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I have definitely experienced that, but I don't think it's a typical "male" behavior. The guy who acted that way with me had a significant vulnerable narcissist bent. Men are typically more object/objective focused than empathetic, but projection is its own separate issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 05:15 PM
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I'm a bit confused about your point. Are you saying that women consider other people's feelings and men don't? Or that men believe they know how others might feel, but are wrong? Or that men project their own lack of empathy on others? I think I've experienced something similar to your example, but it would help if you could go into more detail about what exactly you're asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 04:38 PM
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This survey is long and oddly specific. But ok. Are you using these answers for anything in particular? According to this scale, 6-7. In real life probably more like 5-6. I was maybe one point higher when I lost my virginity. I'm 26 with fifteen male partners. My first partner was sweet and skinny with lean muscle. Not super attractive, but we were together for a couple of years. Red pill types would probably call him a beta. He was a late bloomer, of average intelligence and probably too much o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 03:20 PM
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Feet.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 07:02 PM
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During sex? I don't think I ever have. Bad sex in the past has just elicited a desire to get it over with faster. Fantasizing about past experiences wouldn't have made it any better. Outside of sex, but in a sexual way? Occasionally. I don't think there's a person alive who doesn't sometimes think about past relationships. Those memories lose their potency for getting me excited as time passes, though. I did this sometimes in one of my past relationships. He had a fetish that I wasn't into, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 03:58 PM
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Never happened to me. Arguing in public isn't my thing. If a stranger did manage to interject themselves into a personal argument of mine it would probably be pretty weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 01:02 PM
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He would basically have a temper tantrum - very emotionally defend his own opinions. A temper tantrum? That's a decent enough reason to be fired if it's a recurring problem. Professionals can't just wig out on each other over and over. Do you know if the arguments they had directly impacted their day to day functions? Was she losing it at him, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/18 08:38 PM
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I checked fet out for a bit, but I'm not nearly social enough to want to be part of the community. But I think it's in the forefront of everyone's lizard brain. 100% agree. Most people just don't go there for one reason or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 07:18 PM
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And finally your kinky femme friends probably didn’t tell you for fear of judging. That's exactly my point. Maybe they want these things, maybe they don't. It's just not something that people in my circle talk about openly. We talked a lot about sex when we were younger, but that eventually died down and it never went so far as rape fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 06:52 PM
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I ask because my husband and I have similar interests, though not as extreme. I'm often reminded that our proclivities are pretty far outside the mainstream when I read about or witness other peoples' dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 06:46 PM
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What percentage of the total population do you think participates in communities or relationships like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 06:25 PM
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Huh, that seems very strange to me. We talked about sex a lot more when we were younger. No one I know has ever talked about having rape fantasies, though. (Edit: I should specify, no one I know in real life has talked about having rape fantasies.) Is it not acceptable in your community for men to express lewd fantasies as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 06:18 PM
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Talking openly about having a rape fantasy anywhere other than niche corners of the internet will still be met with negative responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 06:09 PM
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People are allowed to fantasize however they want. The fear is that men who learn how to socialize and develop relationships via supplicating AI "women" sex machines may also treat actual women like objects. I can see why that's a concern, particularly for young men of the future who might grow up just casually owning one. Learning how to interact with women via an AI catered exactly to one's own personal desires would set men up to fail miserably with human women. It's bizarre to me that these …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 05:55 PM
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I'll play devil's advocate. The people who rage about this appear to be afraid of female objectification. Essentially, if men learn how to interact with literal object AI "women" who have no thoughts or needs of their own, they may learn to treat actual women like objects as well. Taken from an article that someone else posted here. No longer do these men have to put up with women who have flaws like opinions, feelings, and human bodies… Their porny video game fantasy has come to life: A “woman”…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 04:51 PM
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That's oversimplified. This stat is based on reports of neglect and abuse made to CPS. That 54% is probably chock full of single moms with kids whose fathers have little or nothing to do with them. Makes sense that more women would be reported since more women are legally responsible for their children. Only 80.3% of the perpetrators were parents, as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 05:21 PM
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We have similar set ups in the US right now. They're called group homes and they're horrible for children. Between the predators who are naturally drawn to vulnerable, parentless children and the impact of insititutionalization on developing minds... It's not an ideal solution. Mandatory birth control/temporary sterilization is a good idea, honestly. I would extend it to everyone, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 01:42 PM
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Option 5) Reinstitute child labor. If they can walk, they can work! Or poor women could just go back to selling children they can't care for. They're not even useful on a farm anymore. /S But really, though. Disincentives only work so well against the human reproductive drive. Clearly the threat of child support doesn't keep men from engaging in risky sexual behavior. Why would the threat of no child support work any better against the female drive to be become "mommy"? I'm personally in favor o…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 12:51 PM
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Go to a supermarket and watch fat people in the checkout isle, they're not eating paleo: meat, vegetables, and fruit. No, their carts are filled with sugary beverages and garbage processed shit. Right. This is what's different in the environment. Easy access to shit tier food is a legitimate cause of obesity. Individual lack of will power, laziness, self loathing and dopamine addiction (and poverty) are all contributing factors, but at this point the problem is so widespread it's a legitimate pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 08:25 PM
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You're putting the cart before the horse here. The movement itself is not what's depriving these people of the mates they want. It's a collective reaction to the myriad negative consequences of being fat which includes lack of romantic/sexual success. Men are by and large not part of this movement, but they're still about as overweight and obese as women are. I'm against extreme forms fat acceptance - blatant denial of medical reality and bold face lying to people, for instance. It simply does m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 07:29 PM
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According to many women only men can be bad at sex Right, I see that attitude pretty often as well. It's not fair or accurate at all. And no worries. Everyone is drunk and occasionally combative on PPD. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 11:35 PM
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Do you think men prefer having sex with women who aren't into it? The number of men who complain about starfish sex tells me that's probably not the case. They want the whole porn experience including the DTF sloot who can't get enough of their dick. If most men don't want to do anything to make the sex enjoyable for their partners, that's their issue. They're probably going to get shitty starfish sex from their bored to death wives or end up in a dead bedroom. Same thing goes for women who don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 11:13 PM
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I don't think porn is bad. It just exhibits misinformation about how female sexual pleasure works, resulting in sub-par sex for some women and ultimately men, too. You're the guy who thinks that vaginas are gross, if I remember correctly. I think you might be an outlier. Most men don't want to spend ages on foreplay, but they do usually want to have sex with a woman who is at least enjoying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 10:40 PM
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Absolutely, I've been there. Those guys just didn't get to keep having a sexual relationship with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 10:12 PM
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You don't think some women have unrealistic expectations of sex? I'm talking about expectations of what should feel good to them or what their partners should be doing. I think a lot of young women get the message that they're dysfunctional if they don't have earth shattering orgasms from PIV alone. Edit: That or they get the message that sex is bad/dirty/painful and they shouldn't enjoy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 10:11 PM
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Can't say I agree there. Particularly for young people in the internet age. Porn focuses primarily on male pleasure and most female pleasure shown is fake. Again, even if the girls aren't watching it they're still influenced by the expectations of the boys who are. "When I would talk to girls, for instance, about oral sex, that was something that they were doing from a pretty young age, and it tended to go one way [and not be reciprocated]," Orenstein explains. https://www.npr.org/sections/healt…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 10:04 PM
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Agreed. I understand why so many women feel like they can't communicate about what they want, but it's necessary for any kind of decent sex life. Trying to blame men for it entirely is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 09:06 PM
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I'm a woman. Plenty of us do. Even if most girls and women aren't regularly watching porn, watching it even a few times can influence what they expect. Especially if they're young. It can also impact young women through the expectations their partners may have. This isn't to say that porn is bad, just that it's not even close to an accurate example of mutually pleasurable sex for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 08:44 PM
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Porn impacts women's expectations of sex, too. That problem is only growing as kids grow up with unfettered access to the internet. Porn is a fact of life, but I'd like to see more education about how mutually pleasurable sex actually works. My high school sex ed didn't even mention the clitoris. It was all periods, babies, STDs and abstinence.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 08:31 PM
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A lot of this probably has to do with anatomy and the misunderstanding of said anatomy. It's shocking how many people, men and women, have no clue how female genitalia and arousal actually works. Too much porn and weird sexual hang ups all around. Women also have to speak up about what feels good. He won't get it right consistently if you never guide him or give him feedback. We're all built too differently for men to magically know what works for each individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 08:00 PM
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Women enjoy being abused , I don’t know why they don’t just be more upfront about it, they have so many hang ups about being sluts They have so many hang ups about being "derogatory term." You kind of answered your own question there. Also, being too up front about enjoying "being abused" leaves you open to actual abuse. That seems pretty obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 06:21 PM
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If she's actually into it, go for it. It doesn't solve the lubrication problem, though. If anything it makes the lubrication problem worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 06:00 PM
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Do you not believe that medications and fluctuations in hormones can impact sex drive? Pretty sure it happens to men all the time. Not that women should shut down the sex train over these issues, but they are real. I think you might be conflating "Chad" with limerence here. New infatuation chemicals absolute can motivate an otherwise disinterested woman to get it on for awhile, at least. Like how men go above and beyond for their new girlfriends and then turn into disinterested couch potatoes on…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 05:55 PM
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Anyway can’t you just use lube if she’s dry? Honestly I’ve never had that issue but it doesn’t seem like a big deal? Lubrication is only one part of arousal. The vagina also expands and the clitoris becomes erect and more sensitive when a woman is aroused. Typically an aroused woman will enjoy sex much more than an unaroused woman using lube. It's probably a good idea for a man to care if the woman he's sexing is enjoying herself. Especially if he's married to that woman. What about the butt? I’…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 05:21 PM
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People can think and feel however they like. Cognitive dissonance is a symptom of humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 04:47 PM
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Lol, same here. Sex with my husband is deeply fulfilling in a way that sex with other people never has been. Sexlessness in relationships is terrible, but it's usually a symptom of a deeper problem. The red pill addresses the issue of attraction but it goes off course pretty quickly from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 04:42 PM
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I had this conversation with my husband the other day. Even the raunchiest, kinkiest sex can still be a loving experience. Hopefully these men have at least experienced that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 03:29 PM
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This is a fairly common mentality in manosphere spaces, but I think that's only the surface level. Some of these men probably do just want to get their dicks wet X number a times a week whether wifey is into it or not. Most of them really want wifey to want to fuck them, though. Hence the red pill focus on self improvement. It's best for both partners to take a holistic view of how to meet one another's needs within marriage. Lots of men who find themselves in places like this may have tried the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 02:51 PM
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I don't think compliments/verbal kindness are equivalent to sex for women, but we can draw somewhat of a parallel by stating that the husband is not meeting a serious need of hers. Whatever it might be. I would ask her why she believes he isn't meeting her need. Have they talked about it at all? Has anything major happened between them? I would also ask if she's certain that she's meeting his needs, as resentment is very often a two way street.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 08:49 PM
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This is odd, but I'll give it a go. I might be a four or five on your scale. It's not that I enjoy the actual sensation of pain, but I like the shock of occasional pain in conjunction with dominance and rough sex. It's no small factor that l feel 100% safe with my husband and that the focus is always on mutual pleasure. He's also madly in love with me, so I guess I fit your theory. I personally enjoy being very submissive in bed and can enjoy a little pain, but I'm an outlier in that respect as …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/18 09:52 PM
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Being "played for a chump" sucks for everyone, doesn't it? It's probably painful in the long term for women to be played by a man they have real feelings for. A one night pump and dump might not feel great, but it's hardly a long term concern. The perception of female value is also very closely tied to how much sex she's had. I can see how that might influence some women's feelings about being used specifically for sex. Is it damaging in the long term for men to be used for their resources? Sure…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 04:56 PM
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This is highly dependent on factors like industry/company culture and the individual men and women involved. It probably happens in some places, but I can't imagine women using their sex appeal in my office... The women vastly outnumber the men here and only very few are actually attractive. My mid-fifties female supervisor thought it was ridiculous that I moved my own desk once, but that's the only real difference I've noticed. I can imagine this sort of thing happening in male dominated, highl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 07:38 PM
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Can't he just pick up some takeaway food on the way home? He wants to eat healthier and cheaper than that. I meal prep a lot for him so that food smells wakes me up less, which helps. The real issue is his weed smoking, lol. Food smells dissipate eventually, but the smoke goes all night. One thing you could try to help you sleep if you haven't already is just indica cannabis. Causes far less problems than pharmaceuticals and can be very sedating with the right strain. I have considered this. I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 02:29 PM
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Thanks for that! I'm already using benedryl or nyquil when I can't stand it anymore and have to get good sleep. They make me feel hung over and stop working if I take them too much, though. I could use a sleeping pill as needed, but I was definitely hoping for something that I could take every night. Oh well, nothing is that easy I guess. I don't know what else to do. He has to eat, won't smoke outside and already thinks it's ridiculous I've asked him not to turn the lights on or be noisy if he …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 01:58 PM
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Lol, I feel you. Mine snores, too. Luckily it's not a problem anymore since we have different schedules. He comes to bed when I get up for work.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 01:50 PM
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Constantly being woken up by the smells of my husband smoking and cooking when he gets home from his night shift. It's not at all his fault that I'm a light sleeper, but it's still enraging. I'm about to just ask my doctor for sleeping pills and be done with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 12:32 PM
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Are you in the top 20% of men. If not, you've proved my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 05:49 PM
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You don't think average men will turn down women for relationships if they're too easy, crazy or ugly? It's hard for me to imagine that 80% of men will take literally whatever they can get and never get any sex outside of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 04:26 PM
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Feel free to have your own standards. I didn't mention anything about making some men put effort in and not others. Would you give an easy girl a chance if she was up front about having been easy or engaging in hookup culture the past?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 03:11 PM
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I think there is probably truth to both of these arguments. most men do not inherently value women less as long as she's only "easy" for the men she wants serious relationships with. How would the typical man know this? Unless he knows her romantic history, he'll assume she's easy, period, and discount her value.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 01:32 PM
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Lots of men won't consider "easy" girls for relationships. Requiring some effort on his part may keep her out of the fuckzone. Flirting over long periods can be fun, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 12:34 PM
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Versace Eros, hands down. It lasts a long time and it smells so gooooooooooood. I like to give it to my husband as a gift, but it's as much for me as it is for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 12:45 AM
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Maybe some people would think I am, but I would disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:19 PM
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Why wouldn't you wanna be able to see your relatives nude without being uncomfortable? It just doesn't seem important to me. I definitely wouldn't classify myself as sexually repressed anymore, but I still have no desire to casually chat topless with my family members.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 09:01 PM
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You don't have to be comfortable seeing your mother nude in order to accept that she's a sexual being.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:56 PM
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Because female nipples are considered sexual in the US. Seeing any sexual part of any of my relative's bodies would be awkward and trigger an involuntary shame or "ick" response in me. I imagine it's a deep seated thing left over from growing up Catholic and sexually repressed. Everyone should condition themselves to accept that seeing your relatives nude doesn't harm you. Sure, it wouldn't harm me. That's not why I would be uncomfortable about it. I see no reason to conciously attempt to recond…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:48 PM
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I'm a woman and I would be fairly uncomfortable if I somehow saw my mother's nipples. Why did you condition yourself to be that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:39 PM
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I was just curious. You're probably an outlier in the US if you aren't at least a little uncomfortable with the idea of your own mother's nipples post puberty. I figured you might be French or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:33 PM
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A woman who gives in to the pestering out of exasperation probably won't feel great about it, but it's not rape in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:10 PM
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Out of curiosity, are you from the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 08:03 PM
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Girls like that get made fun of and called crazy all the time. I get your point, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 06:37 PM
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This is that same guy again who posts about his sister and bullying. It's his third alt at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 06:15 PM
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Posting under auto mod because I don't exactly disagree with you. A lot of the posters over at r/niceguys do make fun of guys emotionally vomiting their insecurities. It's not particularly nice to do so, but it's also unwise to navel gaze and agonize about how no one will ever love you to random people. Would you be super sympathetic to a random unnattractive woman who started wailing about how no one wants her once you rejected her? I imagine most men would prefer if she just moved on. People a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 06:09 PM
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Omg, it's you again. Did your other alt get banned or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 12:28 AM
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Like everyone else is telling you, it's a strikingly effective method of getting attention. A lot of it is for whatever the cause is, but I'm sure some of it is for personal attention and thrill. But seriously, though, I lol'd at the lady on the hippo.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/18 10:40 PM
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Personally, no. My situation has never been dire enough for me to consider selling my affection or sex. I'm not outraged that other people do it, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/18 10:31 PM
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So we should also take grads who didn't work at all less seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/18 10:24 PM
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You didn't read my other reply to you, did you? Or did you only like the science when you thought it confirmed your beliefs? Easy to understand explanation: The rational part of a teen’s brain isn’t fully developed and won’t be until age 25 or so. In fact, recent research has found that adult and teen brains work differently. Adults think with the prefrontal cortex, the brain’s rational part. This is the part of the brain that responds to situations with good judgment and an awareness of long-te…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/18 09:16 PM
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I'll point out to you again that the bit you quoted from me about prefrontol cortex development applies to both men and women. Young people are terrible at consequence evaluation. Young men are no less slaves to their amygdalas than young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/18 09:00 PM
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So no, this is not just a few women but many many women I didn't say it was few women, just not likely the same ones. Also, young women are not capable of making rational choices and selecting decent non-misogynist sex partners Where did I say this applies only to women? The prefrontal cortex doesn't finish developing in anyone of either sex until about 25. The rational part of a teen’s brain isn’t fully developed and won’t be until age 25 or so. In fact, recent research has found that adult and…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/18 06:14 PM
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I'm not sure the women who actually give a shit about misogyny are also the ones seeking out frat boys. Maybe these sorority types pay lip service to the concept of respecting women, but I doubt they truly care about it as long as they get what they want. So sure, women like this only care about looks and status. Shockingly, not all women think or feel exactly the same way. That aside, a good deal of this has to do with lessened ability to rationally flesh out consequences prior to about 25, whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/18 05:52 PM
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Most people are not moral in interpersonal relationships. They spend a great deal of time rationalizing why it's totally cool for them to be immoral, even. Some people try to be moral, but are not very good at it for a plethora of possible reasons. Few people try to be wholly moral and actually succeed at it. Most of these dudes wised up eventually and became fuckboys and womanizers... And I don't blame them one bit. Are we to assume that these dudes were part of the unicorn moral minority to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/18 05:33 PM
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How to poorly attempt to baby trap women, the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 04:56 PM
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Same, but I think we're in the minority here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 02:53 PM
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I imagine this trend has a great deal to do with power dynamics and dominance. Most women likely don't want to imagine their men being less dominant or manly. Whereas most men are likely fine with lesbianism because there is no change in the power dynamic/dominance hierarchy to them. They view it as just double the fun. It's not accurate for everyone, of course. I think bisexual people themselves (or otherwise kinky people) are probably more tolerant of their partner being bisexual. Younger peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 02:23 PM
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Family members of those on life support can and frequently do pull the plug. Think what you want, but no, a clump of cells that cannot survive on its own outside of a woman's body is not alive. There's not really anything else to say about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 12:15 AM
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You implied that pregnancy is a bodily function on par with breathing, etc. I'll admit that you were both being dishonest if that makes you feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 12:12 AM
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A non-viable fetus is not a child. He is free to impregnate a woman who wants to have his child if that's his priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 10:38 PM
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Pregnancy is infinitely more taxing on a person's body than anything listed there. No need to be dishonest about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 10:14 PM
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Yes, he must protect that child. He has a legal obligation to protect that child from harm and sometimes he must go into harm's way to do it. So you're wrong. Non-custodial fathers have no such obligation. Those are the ones we're normally talking about in these debates. Custodial fathers have a legal obligation to support their children and reasonably protect them, but not to throw themselves in harm's way for them. Pretty sure that's a personal choice. Yes, he has to teach and train that child…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 10:11 PM
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Purple woman. I think abortion should be legal up the point of viability. A potential life is not equal to an existing one, and the benefits of smart family planning outweigh the negatives of the procedure. Aside from that, if we can't compel someone to donate an organ to a dying person, we certainly can't compel a woman to support a fetus with her body. I don't imagine that men would be any more careful about sex/protection if abortion were illegal. Humans will fuck, period. Most men will try t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 07:04 PM
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His family members can pull the plug on him in that scenario. Did you miss that?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 06:47 PM
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Because people will fuck no matter what. Particularly young people. Sex Ed can teach them how their bodies and BC work and abortion would ideally be the last resort.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 06:45 PM
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He looks like he's had a lot of plastic surgery and his ears are oddly tiny. But no. I wouldn't have sex with some neutral, not funny or charming "good" looking man just for sake of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 06:17 PM
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That's not exactly what I meant, but more power to you. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 06:11 PM
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That's an interesting way to look at it. I don't agree, but I at least understand where you're coming from now.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 06:09 PM
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The concept that they can be avoided in the first place is alien to me. Can you explain this? You mean the concept that women can avoid consequences for their actions based on the fact that they are women is alien to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 05:54 PM
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I'm stating an opinion, not appointing myself grand poobah of domestic violence consequences. But sure, no one is allowed to point out harmful double standards. We can finally put the slut/stud debate to rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 04:54 PM
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There is no one person who determines what is culturally acceptable. This is just a shitty double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 04:29 PM
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She can't refuse to accept the negative consequences of her negative actions if there are none. His point was that there should be consequences, but there are not. It's not exactly the same concept, but it's still not right.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 04:18 PM
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Both sexes are prone to trying to avoid negative consequences of their actions. Women are given significantly more social leeway to do so. I think this applies more to issues with victim mentality than abortion or being "careless in strange settings", which I'm assuming is an allusion to actually becoming a victim of a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 03:38 PM
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I'm in an open marriage, but the reality of this is pretty far from the all day sex party people seem to imagine. 1) Finding new partners can be fun, but it's a lot of extra work. Introverted, busy or less than very attractive people are likely to have issues with it. 2) You have to work your hookups around the whole family's schedules. This can get pretty tedious. 3) It's a terrible idea to try to get hookups because you've been married X amount of time and you're dissatisfied in the bedroom. H…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 01:43 PM
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This doesn't read like repressing female sexuality to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 10:07 PM
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As other users have pointed out, RP men hate on men who choose not to live up to the red pill ideal of male nature. They hate on women because they believe all women are terrible people by nature. These two behaviors are not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 05:47 PM
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They may view most men in this light, but they aren't claiming that this is male nature. Even though they might see most men as undeserving of respect they still see male nature as inherently more respectful, better, more logical, rational, mature, self-aware, etc This was going to be my point as well. I wish OP would acknowledge the comments ITT that bring this up.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 05:40 PM
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You posted your opinion on a thread about his views seemingly agreeing with him. You were trying to explain his view to sumblime, even. But sure, anything a person does to make themselves more attractive can be considered sexualization even if that's not the intended goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 07:35 PM
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You may want to clarify this in conversations related to JP's stance on the subject. He did, I think unintentionally, draw an equivalence between these two behaviors. I can agree that makeup does have the effect of self-sexualization. You appear to agree that this is not always the primary objective of wearing makeup, but it's hard to tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 07:09 PM
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There's the confusion, then. Do you believe that sexualizing oneself with makeup or a nicely tailored suit is equivalent to sexualizing the workplace by actively hitting on coworkers?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 06:59 PM
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I agree with this to a certain extent. There are definitely those on the far right who are just trolling. There are also a significant number of RP and MGTOW types who take his words out of context specifically to justify their positions. Sure, he believes hypergamy is legit. He also believes that marriage is an admirable, necessary insititution and manages not to shit on women all the time. Manospherians often point to the first sentence and proclaim themselves correct, but totally ignore the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 06:47 PM
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That was the context of the conversation Peterson was having with the Vice interviewer. He admitted that it was a terrible interview on his part and I'm not sure he actually means what he said.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 06:38 PM
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Right? I think he's coming at the topic of self-improvement from a perspective that a lot of people, men in particular, relate to. "Clean your room" is a cringe meme now, but it's legitimately good advice for the average depressed, nihilistic young person in the west. Take improvement a step at a time. Do literally anything positive and then build on it over time. Take responsibility for your own happiness and you'll create your own meaning in life. There is an epidemic of depression and hopeles…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 06:36 PM
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The point is that sexualization is not the primary motivation. Wearing makeup or a nicely tailored suit is not equivalent to intentionally trying to pick up your coworkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 06:22 PM
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Good looking people get ahead easier in pretty much all social hierarchies. Highly successful professional men don't go to work in wrinkled t-shirts and cargo shorts with five o'clock shadows. Most women wear makeup at work to establish a professional look and be socially succesful. Men being sexually attracted to it is not usually the primary motivation, but it does happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 06:10 PM
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He thinks that women wear makeup as a tool to make themselves more attractive to the opposite sex. That's true, but being attractive is also crucially important in every other aspect of social life. Good looking people get ahead easier. It's one of his more slippery slope arguments, but I think pointing out the slippery slope is his actual point. As in: Where do we draw the line for what exactly constitutes sexualizing the workplace?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 06:00 PM
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Wasn't his daughter severely ill for several years? Maybe he's glad to see her improving. Her insta isn't nearly as bad as you and another poster here are making it out to be. Anyway, I don't think he wants to strong arm enforce anything. That's not what he means by enforced monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 05:22 PM
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Nothing beyond self improvement and promoting monogamy as a social norm. As far as I've seen, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 04:45 PM
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People are making him into a traditional marriage hero. Right. He doesn't actually support the idea of an alpha-led partriarchal family unit, does he? I've not heard him say anything that suggests he does. People on the right/in the manosphere, in this instance, are trying to present him as something he's not. I think we're agreeing here. He is not the type of man who would interject himself into his daughter's selfie posting habit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 04:43 PM
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The most interesting part of this podcast was the bit about how he is so misrepresented. They focused on how the left does it, but I see it on the right and in the manosphere as well. Somehow both sides want to twist his message to fit their own narrative. He comes across to me as a very moderate person, judging by these sorts of long form interviews. Yet he's portrayed as some far right champion. It's both entertaining and sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 04:39 PM
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The example he gave in this interview was of a son bragging to his father about getting away with having affairs and the father scolding him. They were talking about it in reference to polyamory and optimal environments for children as well. I think he'd be pleased to see less divorce and infidelity, but he doesn't want to mandate waifus for all the basement dwellers or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 04:31 PM
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Does he try to sell the idea that families should be led by an alpha patriarch, or is that your personal standard? I've listened to a fair amount of his speaking and never even thought to look up his family.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 04:26 PM
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Maybe I misunderstood you, I think we agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/18 07:03 PM
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As of 2016, Mexico and Brazil were considered second world per their Human Development Index scores. https://brilliantmaps.com/first-second-third-worlds/ It is pretty outdated terminology, to be fair. And anyway, that was my point. Certain Central and South American countries (and Mexico) are undoubtedly "worse for women" than the US. They are somehow missing from this report, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/18 02:40 PM
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Then you will probably find that the results can be attributed to human trafficking and healthcare. From the article: America did not rank in the top 10 worst countries for human trafficking, health care, discrimination or dangers associated with cultural traditions. Its low performance for sexual and nonsexual violence, however, was enough to get it into the top 10 worst offenders.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/18 02:12 PM
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The US is easily the most violent first world country. It seems reductionist to only focus on violence against women, but what do I know? I'm surprised there are no Central/South American countries on this list. We're worse than overwhelmingly impoverished countries run by cartels? Really? People flee those areas to come here every day. Seems like these experts are weighting low level sexual harrasment entirely too heavily in comparison to more severe issues like poverty, human trafficking and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/18 01:29 PM
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Of just these three options, I'm leaning toward three provided he doesn't have any STDs. Emotional connection, good sex, considerate of my needs and wants an equal partnership financially. Sounds good. Edit: Children and belief/value systems are a huge deal in determining marriagability. I would need a good deal of common ground in those areas in order to be with anybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/18 03:17 AM
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Great response. This deserves more attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 03:44 AM
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I agree that the characterization of those force feedings as torture isn't particularly honest. Emily Wilding Davison died on purpose in order to prove her point. It was stupid of her, as it actually harmed the movement, but she was not sitting at home just waiting for men to hand over her rights. The militant suffragettes who were bombing, burning and generally terrorizing the population were not sitting pretty and whining at men. The women who worked while men were off to war were not sitting …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 03:19 AM
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You should read up on the topic more. Some British suffragettess resorted to outright terrorism. Emily Wilding Davison threw herself in front of the king's horse and died very much on purpose. Christabel’s new tactics oversaw a nationwide bombing and arson campaign that the newspapers quickly dubbed the ‘Suffragette Outrages’. One of the earliest recordings of this term is found in the Morpeth Herald on 20 November 1909, when a suffragette attacked a young Winston Churchill with a horse whip on …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 02:49 AM
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I'm not completely straight, but I'll echo what some other women have said here. I preferred somewhat feminine men with a slighter build when I was a teen. I now prefer more masculine looking men with a larger build. More body/facial hair, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 01:52 AM
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Ask Reddit or Ask Men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 10:36 PM
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Too bad you'll never post this to a neutral community.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 10:08 PM
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Yes, men are a hivemind. They all want exactly the same thing. How could I have forgotten?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 09:14 PM
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Norwegian Forest cat! I want one so bad, but it would be miserable in the southern heat.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 09:08 PM
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The majority of men here would prefer option 2. Normal, average people don't hang around on pill subs for fun. You're proving nothing about the general population with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 09:06 PM
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Yes they do. I couldn't be less surprised. Look where you are, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 09:03 PM
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Why do you address the audience instead of the commenter so much?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 08:43 PM
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Try asking this in a neutral community. This sub is full of fringe thinkers and is bound to skew heavily to the "fling side." Alternatively, you could try posing the question to a community that leans heavily to the "marriage side" and then compare if you want. Otherwise you're not actually proving much of anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 08:41 PM
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Some of them, sure. An ex coworker of mine has two baby daddies in prison at the moment. She pretty much never stops talking about how men are useless... even though she still loves the second baby daddy. I can't even keep up with her antics. Otherwise I don't see much of this in real life. I know a sweet older cat lady, but she never complains about men to me. The typical women posted to that "where are all the good men" sub are low quality, but not on the same level as the more vehement incels…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 08:40 PM
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Met through work when I was 18, started dating when I was 21, married when I was 23. We moved comparatively fast, I guess. He is about nine years older than me as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 12:04 PM
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Go for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 04:11 PM
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Everyone has different criteria for STR vs. LTR, except perhaps the people who marry impulsively. If my brother was somehow unaware of this fact, I would let him know.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 03:30 PM
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She is honest about her past with me but not with my brother? If I thought her past was so egregious that she must be trying to use him, I would warn him. As I have said many times now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 03:00 PM
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I have said over and over again that I would warn said male relative if I believed he was being used. That is the premise you posted, not that she is not sexually attracted. You could avoid these misunderstandings if you stated your arguments clearly and logically. Good try at character assassination, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 02:58 PM
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The post clearly explains the factor of sexual attraction No it doesn't. Maybe this is a language barrier issue. You mention that she lies to him about being turned on by a guitar player and that she rejeceted him years go, not that she is not sexually attracted to him. These are not the same. You could have said in your post SHE IS NOT SEXUALLY ATTRACTED TO HIM, but you didn't. and I am saying, if you'd know, would you not tell him about it But most women are completely okay about this ghastly …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 02:53 PM
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She isn't sexually attracted to the husband as much as she was to the ban guitarist or bouncer with whom she had a fling and your male relative has no idea of this I still don't understand how the female relative is supposed to know this. Unless the girlfriend admits it, she would have no way to know. Your premise did not explain that she is not sexually attracted, just that we know she "had fun with Chad." This is not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 02:36 PM
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Not ideal for most, just not a super dramatic deal breaker. Women have sex. Most men can cope with that and manage not to let it ruin their relationships. Dead bedrooms are rarely the result of a woman pining for an ex, but I'm 100% certain you disagree. Some men are totally into it, though. My husband was assured early on that our sex drives and desires are compatible. Without going into detail, it's worked out quite well for both of us. And once again, you've ignored what I actually said.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 03:03 AM
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Perhaps you should post the question somewhere neutral like askmen. You might have to neutralize your wording. A simple "Men, do you avoid marriage? Why or why not?" might be good. The manosphere is an echo chamber. I would be curious to know how men outside of that echo chamber feel. My experience with men tells me you're oversimplifying the issue, but I'm not a man, so what do I know?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 02:54 AM
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Yes. MGTOW and RP types prefer to be fling material over marriage material. We agree on that. Male disatisfaction is a part of why the marriage rate is declining. It is not the entire reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 02:33 AM
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She said she would advise him not to be with her. Did you actually read what she wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 02:29 AM
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You think it is a coincidence that with the internet boom, this phenomenon took pace, No, I don't think declining marriage rates are coincidental to the rise of the internet. The internet is the main driver behind our incessant need for instant gratification. Stop telling people what they believe. (Just noticed I missed the "instant" part of instant gratification. I'll edit my comment.)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 02:20 AM
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Everyone can read this thread... The majority of women here said they would protect their family members. You just didn't bother acknowledging them. Just like you didn't bother addressing what I actually said here. It's a requirement of this sub to debate in good faith. Ignoring responses that do not make exactly the point you're looking for is not good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 02:18 AM
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Marriage rates, perhaps. People cohabitate much more than they used to, though. This scenario is much too specific for me to blame the entire decline in marriage rates on it. I chalk it up to a bit of both male and female dissatisfaction with the insitution, significant desire for instant gratification and a decline in religious belief in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 02:15 AM
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What? How in the world is the sister/mother supposed to know that? Most people do not assume that a woman having casual sex in her youth disqualifies her from being attracted to her future spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 02:07 AM
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Yeah, well look at the way I've been attacked and called insecure This does come off as insecure. I don't know what to tell you about that. It would be insecure of me to constantly post about how awful men are for lying about their intentions, too. Is there any aspect of your sexuality that you fear people will know about? Fair enough, men who feel this way probably wouldn't broadcast it everywhere. Why, why do you this, here you have online men telling you that it is a cause of concern and reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 02:04 AM
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A) It's poindexter, not point Dexter. B) She very clearly said that she would tell him if she knew the woman was lying. This is her looking out for him. This is obvious bad faith gotcha bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 01:52 AM
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You've been saying this a lot lately. None of the men I've ever known in real life have voiced that concern to me. I never even see it online outside of MGTOW, incel and some RP content. No one wants to be used, but most people don't disqualify their partners based on whether or not they've enjoyed sex before. You're assuming that all men feel the same way you do and it's just not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 01:31 AM
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Assuming I knew that my brother's/son's girlfriend was lying to him about her sexual history? I would tell him that she was lying to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 01:13 AM
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RP and manosphere men make a huge deal about being used for their money. It's core to the concept of beta bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 01:10 AM
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It's called beta bucks. I'm aware that it involves more than money, but money is literally in the name.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 01:04 AM
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But Like I said EVEN THEN MEN WOULD RATHER die alone than prefer a union like this One where the woman lied to him, maybe. Plenty of men marry women with full knowledge of their sexual history, though. My own husband has much less than puritan taste in women. Your opinion is not the only valid one for men to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 01:01 AM
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What is beta bucks if not a man being used for his money? Change your title if that's not what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 12:57 AM
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I don't believe that having sex in her youth disqualifies a woman from maturing or being a good potential partner. I would have to actually know that the woman was not attracted to him and intended to use him for money. Or that she was "bad" in any other way. Point is that yes, I would prioritize my brother's well being over some chick.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 12:53 AM
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I don't agree with the specifics of your hypothetical premise and I didn't want to get gotcha'd. You asked in the title what advice women would give male relatives who may be used as beta bucks. I would warn them if I thought they were going to be used. If my brother was a sniveling simp who found himself in the ridiculous hypothetical you laid out, I would warn him as well. And again, I am not blue. It's right there in my flair. Everyone who doesn't agree with you is not automatically BP or a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 12:45 AM
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If I legitimately believed that one of my brothers' girlfriends was out to use them for money, I would warn them. Not that either of them would listen to me, but I would try.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 12:33 AM
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Really? You were swearing to me the other day that you've only been on Reddit a month. Which is it? I've been here a little over a year, too. We used to have a few more extreme red pill posters, but the sub still leans pretty far red. As of the survey earlier this month, we were 10% blue and about 10% purple leaning blue. We've got a fairly good mix of mods as far as I can tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 12:11 AM
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This sub leans heavier red than blue. As of the last survey only 20% of the people here even identified as feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 12:04 AM
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I don't think there are as many feminists here as you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 11:54 PM
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I think "porn sex" has made my sex life more adventurous and fun. Admittedly, I grew up with the internet and have also watched it for a good chunk of my life. A couple of men I've been with have taken too literally. For instance, I've had to explain on more than one occasion that rubbing my clit as hard and fast as possible will A) hurt and B) not make me orgasm in any way shape or form. It's fine as long as I let them know what actually feels good, and I've never gotten a negative reaction to …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 01:38 PM
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There is a decent demand for gay male cam work and porn. I imagine there is for in person sex work as well, but I can't find any stats on how it compares to hetero demand. Women do value a man's ability to pleasure them sexually, but they A) can get it for free and B) have on average much lower sex drives than men. You don't have to want something constantly and indiscriminately in order to value it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 08:51 PM
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I've met plenty of men who refused to clean, but never one who didn't know how. The average bachelor pad is filthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 04:31 PM
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It's not exactly popular advice. I could go on about it, but I'll spare you. Men get plenty of advice about how to prioritize non-sexual affection. I believe many marriages could be improved if women received a similar message regarding sexual affection. People, man or woman, in a situation where they are barely scraping by in life have my sympathy. I think only the most callous of partners would expect sex in such a circumstance. This is often the situation when there is an infant in the house.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 01:15 AM
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I'll preface this by saying that I agree maintenance sex is necessary in marriage. It can even be enjoyable if both parties have a decent attitude about it. Have you never been so tired, sad or otherwise drained that you didn't want sex? Plenty of men go through it. My husband is going through a rough time with his family of origin and he hasn't had the energy for sex in quite awhile. Yes, a person can be so exhausted that they cannot manage more than basic day to day functions. I think that wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 11:01 PM
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I'm about to start my commute home so I don't have the time at the moment. Go read formerlymyself's comment in your other thread. My opinion is essentially the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 08:55 PM
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In a purely sexual sense, sometimes. I could probably handle being in a relationship with your middle ground guy. We could even tone down some of the manly extra curriculars if he's willing to switch with me every now and then.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 08:44 PM
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Where did you get the idea that I'm blue pill? I don't need to give my analysis. I already told you I agree with the top comment in your other thread. AF/BB is real and it's more complicated than the easy to swallow red pill heuristic makes it out to be. Do you skip over long comments?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 08:16 PM
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Oh, I did actually participate in that thread. Not to tell you that AF/BB doesn't exist, though. AF/BB does exist, but it's more complicated than the red pill heuristic allows for. The top comment in that thread is pretty spot on and it clearly states that there is truth to the AF/BB dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 07:58 PM
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...if she talks to you about him, she is actively thinking about him. My point was that you can't read her mind. She may think to herself "Ex and I went to this restaurant once" and you would never know unless she told you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 07:54 PM
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Are you the AF in this situation? I'm a little confused by your wording. nor did she think about him when she was with me You have no way to actually know this. Judging by your posts, I highly doubt she would have told you even if she did think about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 07:45 PM
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Perfect, so men who don't want to be the man described in the OP should avoid marriage right ? Yes. The situations described above are pretty common and entirely normal human experiences in marriage. Spouses have to deal with each other's flaws and issues on a daily basis. If a man isn't willing to deal with that he should not get married. Same goes for women. Just yesteday, u had women tearing me down telling me such unions do not exist, and now here u tell me the opposite. I was not one of tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 07:27 PM
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This is just how it works. Limerence high wears off and marriage is hard work on both ends. This includes maintaining a decent sexual relationship with your spouse, but that is not all marriage is. Men who don't want to deal with that or any of the linked situations should just avoid it altogether. It's unfortunate that the message that marriage is a seriously difficult life-long commitment isn't more mainstream. Entirely too many people go into it completely naive. I disagree that teh evil wimm…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 07:22 PM
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We would both be much less comfortable having a stranger in our home than I am with having to do a chore or two every day. Maybe I interjected somewhere I shouldn't have, I'm not the person you responded to. Just wanted to chime in on why a couple might not hire a maid when both of them work.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 05:44 PM
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I don't complain about it. I was explaining why we don't hire a maid. He also does not want someone else in the house. It's a terribly unnappealing option for both of us. I earn more, work more and have a more stressful job. According to lots of people here, I should be able to sit on my ass when I get home while he runs the household. That will 100% never happen, so there's no use being nasty or resentful about it. I've accepted that he's not wired the same way I am and we get on pretty well ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 05:28 PM
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Personally, I hate the idea of other people being in our space. My husband agrees, but I still end up doing most of the chores. It just is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 05:10 PM
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Plenty of women would do that. Plenty of other women would just leave. All we know is that the woman in the article is paying the lawyer she hired on credit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 02:28 PM
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Are you sure this is not a response masking an uncomfortable truth Pretty sure. I mean check all the male protagonists in erotic novels, brute muscular guys who over power women despite her saying no and through lust get her to agree to the act of sex Attraction to the idea or near experience of danger doesn't mean you actually want to be harmed. People ride roller coasters and participate in extreme sports for similar reasons a woman might read that sort of thing. The rush of plunging down a mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 11:19 PM
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Arousal in the clinical sense, more or less. Danger/threat causes a spike of adrenaline which can result in muscular and sexual arousal. Pleasurable emotional arousal like one would experience with a partner is a different bio-chemical process. Again, it's more like an involuntary rage boner than secretly wanting to be raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 10:43 PM
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The chemical mechanism is the same, though. Adrenaline often causes sexual arousal. Part of the reason women have difficulty with orgasms is lack of excitement about sex killing their arousal. Excitement can be good or bad and rape is an extreme form of bad excitement.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 10:29 PM
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There's nothing to counter. This isn't a controversial statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 10:22 PM
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I figure it's adrenaline. This is also why men get rage boners. Our bodies can't always tell the difference between good and bad stimuli.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 10:16 PM
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Sure. She can't legally do that. People try to get away with illegal things all the time. People try to fuck each other over in divorcees all the time. If the wife didn't have the money to pay a lawyer and opted to couch surf instead of fight him, he would functionally get away with kicking her out. At least at first.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 09:00 PM
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So he could have kicked her out, but it wouldn't have lasted long provided she and the lawyer she paid on credit filed for an emergency order. Too bad they don't go into any more detail. I'd like to know how that went.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 08:51 PM
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Could he not just kick her out of his own volition? Why does a judge have to sign anything? She said she can't really afford her lawyer. Perhaps he counted on her being unable to afford to fight it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 08:42 PM
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I do not trust you when you say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 05:06 PM
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Omg. Why are you so obsessed with this hypothetical? You just keep repeating yourself. No. Western men's lives aren't ruined because their sisters took a dick or two in highschool. They might endure a few jokes, but normal healthy people are not ruined for life over this shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 05:04 PM
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Lol. The culture as a whole will not change just to make you more comfortable. It's 100% normal for young people, men and women, to have sex in the west. You should probably get used to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 04:53 PM
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That's your problem, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 04:23 PM
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Build a bridge and get the fuck over it. People do it all the time. If the worst trauma a man ever experiences is his sister being slutty, he's an incredibly lucky person and should be thankful for his easy lot in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 02:51 PM
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It was under another account. It posted about the exact situation you've laid out here with your friend being humiliated by his sister's sex life in high school. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but several other people think the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 02:40 PM
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men would hate it if their little sisters were a topic of raunchy discussion among their peers and would avoid having friends like that ( lack of male bonding ) Western men might hate it, but it won't absolutely ruin their lives and/or chances with women the way you're suggesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 02:39 PM
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No point arguing with you. And I'm fairly certain you're the guy who posted about essentially this same situation awhile back. Find some new material, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 02:32 PM
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Cannot think of any scenario where the guy would be this beaten down Really? Most forms of actual abuse are more detrimental than this to the average boy in my culture. Even being fat and picked on for it is as detrimental as anything you've talked about in this thread. Your focus on the perils of having sisters is misguided. All of life is perilous. You get over it or you whine about it on the internet, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 02:24 PM
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Sorry that happened to your friend and his sister. Sounds like the sister is the one who was wronged there, but feel however you want about it. No one is free from this sort of thing, regardless of family set up. I don't know a single person who was not negatively impacted in one way or another by something a family member did. Shit happens to everyone. Part of being a functional human is moving on from your childhood issues. Women are likely to find it attractive, too, for what that's worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 02:10 PM
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And if the frat boy had only a younger sister? Is he still hopeless? I can understand your point that boys who don't have proper guidance are likely to have trouble understanding how to be successful with women. I just don't understand your insistence that it's all about having a sister, particularly a younger one.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 01:53 PM
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But place him with the responsibility of a younger sister and put him as the only brother then the stress is a burden that the childhood cannot sustain and there is no escaping this. This is just fatalistic nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 01:44 PM
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I wondered the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 01:37 PM
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There are so many other factors that can make a boy's life stressful. Why are you so hung up on the specific stress that being a boy with no brothers and a sister apparently brings?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 01:35 PM
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It gives u stress that u can never say to any1 and addiction is the only coping mechanism You did say that addiction is the only coping mechanism for these men. That is patently ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 01:25 PM
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Lol. Yes. All men with younger sisters are addicts. Dear God the humanity of it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 01:15 PM
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My brothers were not expected to protect me and they never went out with me in the first place. Your experience is not the experience of all brothers everywhere. I'm confused, did you have to escort your sister places? At least where I'm from, girls are not likely to be molested every time they leave the house. I can understand that might be the case in other countries, but my brothers were not at all concerned about anyone "taking advantage" of me. If you were seriously concerned that your own …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 12:51 PM
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So you're taking about a very specific situation and applying it to everyone. I can understand how that specific situation would be stressful. The emphasis on brothers looking after sisters isn't nearly as pronounced in my culture, though. Having an older brother didn't help my middle brother with women, as far as I know. They are at least friends with one another, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 12:39 PM
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I'm not sure this is the same across all cultures. It's definitely not the same across all families. My two older (American) brothers really couldn't have given less of a shit about me. Neither of them have been particularly successful with women, but I imagine that has more to do with them being addicts than their lack of a relationship with their younger sister.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 12:27 PM
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I don't tell my husband that he's lucky to be with me. That would be destructive to our relationship and just plain rude. He instigated the marriage when I was 23, though. Don't know why he would have done that if it wasn't what he wanted. He could have easily gotten away with a short term fling, but chose to stick around. I even had a minor slut phase before then and it didn't deter him. Shocking. It's almost like different men are into different things. Anyway, there are definitely women who t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 02:15 AM
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Yes. You are arguing that men want sexy flings more than life-long commitment and love. This is actually a generally accepted truth in mainstream society. I don't understand why you're arguing about it. Families are referred to as "the old ball and chain" for a reason. I actually see more men here arguing that men are hard wired to protect and care for one family unit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 11:45 PM
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Is str-ing them some kind of reward to them? I don’t think it is It is to a certain extent. Lots of these types of women get their primary validation from male attention of any kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 06:59 PM
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Ah, I misunderstood.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 05:50 PM
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These are clearly not the traits that this feminist poster was talking about. None of them are "toxic" by mainstream feminists standards. If anything, she's made an error in conflating what she called "old school" masculinity and "toxic" masculinity. She's talking about dominant, aggressive, disrespectful and philandering men; not respectable, upstanding father figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 05:44 PM
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I'm surprised by the lack of biological determinism in this thread. I'd say it's like most things, part nature and part nurture. Some men have naturally higher testosterone and are bound to be more traditionally masculine, period. More women than not are naturally attracted to this, regardless of whatever ideals they may hold. Sure, rewarding "toxic masculine" behavior with sex enforces it, but it's impossible to be entirely in control of what one is attracted to. Men also reward shitty women wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 05:29 PM
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Do you agree that female skin "thins" in a way that male skin doesn't so much? Old men have loose, wrinkly skin as well. Sun exposure does a lot to break down collagen, so it is possible that a woman who goes tanning a lot may have "thinner" skin than a man who stays inside all the time. More men work outside, though, so I'm not sure there's a huge difference here. Edit: Now that I think about it, estrogen does play some part in collagen production. That's one reason why female skin is often sof…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 08:12 PM
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I'm more concerned with changes to my health than changes to my SMV. I'm already married and keeping up with my health will help me keep up with my looks. My husband is also attracted to a pretty wide variety of women, so I think I'm fine on that front. That bone density drop post menopause is a real concern. All my older female family members have developed osteoporosis.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 07:42 PM
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Married woman. He's usually higher libido, but has been lower at times. It would be impossible for us to be 100% in sync. I do sometimes have sex when I'm not particularly feeling it because I believe having a healthy sexual relationship is integral to having a healthy marriage. I make an effort to be engaged and make it enjoyable, though... I can't imagine just laying there in starfish position. He knows me well enough to recognize when I'm really not feeling it and he nevers pressures or pushe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 06:24 PM
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High libido
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 06:09 PM
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Lol, no it's not. A few states require affirmative consent, but not most. To my knowledge, none require enthusiasm. No one with any actual authority is interested in policing our marriages to ensure that we're always 110% into every heavy petting session. People are just loud about it in colleges and on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 05:21 PM
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How was a concept dreamed up by college kids and enforced by universities developed specifically to give married women power? The enthusiastic consent standard definitely doesn't work for most long term couples. And that's fine, because it's geared toward college kids who are binge drinking and indiscrimantely banging strangers/acquaintances. All sex with an unenthusiastic partner is not rape, but I think this is a decent heuristic to keep dumb drunk kids from inadvertently taking advantage of o…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 05:06 PM
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Then he could have divorced her rather than cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 08:54 PM
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You know what I meant. Lots of red pill/black pill/MGTOW types who post here crow on and on about mainstream blue pill/feminist brainwashing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 01:17 PM
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We're a fringe group here. Don't you guys argue day in and day out that "blue pill" thought is mainstream?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 12:05 PM
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Have you never done anything your parents didn't want you to? Never hidden or lied about anything? Children of highly restrictive parents are simply more likely to lie to them and then get into trouble. At least in Western culture, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 01:09 AM
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What was the point of adding that these fake parents would be visiting the fake adult sister on the weekends, tracking her purchases and that a male cousin would be "keeping an eye" on her? Of course people in the west are going to react poorly to that. Most of the responses I read were angry that fake you disagreed with your fake parents' views, but decided it was A-ok to subject your fake sister to them. It's normal in the west for young people to have premarital sex. It is not normal for pare…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 05:01 PM
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I had a somewhat fucked up childhood and therapy helped me a great deal as an adolescent. My husband had a more severely fucked up childhood and he's never gleaned anything of worth from therapy. Results vary greatly from person to person depending on individual attitudes, issues and goals. If it doesn't work for you, hopefully you can find another way to make life bearable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 12:00 PM
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I think they can be, but I was curious if he disagrees.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/18 04:42 PM
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Do you think men can be happy in relationships where women outearn them?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/18 02:28 PM
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Believe what you want, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 02:07 PM
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Ah. Sorry for your shitty experiences. Male and female sexualities are very different, but women are definitely not majority asexual. Most women masturbate, but they may not offer that info up to most men. You would have a better argument to say that women lose their sex drive easier. That's pretty easily provable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/18 09:45 PM
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How do you know this, out of curiosity?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/18 08:21 PM
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Abnormal psychology is interesting to more women than men, and you don't get more abnormal than serial killers. It might come off as edgy to potential suitors for a woman to post this interest on a dating website, as well. Men would probably scare most women away with something like that on their profile, so I don't think you can accurately judge their interest via this method. I follow Last Podcast on the Left, which is a true crime/all things macabre comedy show. The fanbase appears to be fair…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/18 11:13 AM
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Sure, women's selfishness opposes men's selfishness. Most western men are not wealthy enough and do not have enough time to handle multiple sets of wives and children. And besides that, harem set ups are basically never without conflict. For those few who are able to handle them, each set of children will receive less time and provisioning from their father than they otherwise would. Fathers are really and truly important to child development, so this is no good. I would argue that smaller famil…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 05:11 PM
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Go live in an all male commune up a mountain for awhile. The fresh air and break from the internet might be good for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/18 02:35 AM
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That's an interesting way to look at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 12:26 AM
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That seems more like a comfort test. She wants him to assure her that she's not fat. Or at least pretty. It's not meant to create an emotional reaction in him like teasing would.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 11:58 PM
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Shit testing is just teasing. Some people are meaner about it than others, and you're right, most people don't give it much thought. Phrasing the concept as a "shit test" or competition to win makes learning how to successfully socialize more attractive to awkward guys. Literally everyone does it. So yes, I have teased people before. Men and women. I might playfully tease my husband every now and then, but it's never as mean spirited as some of the examples you gave elsewhere in the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 11:53 PM
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Lol, I'm very well acquainted child support. My husband pays it for his daughter from a previous relationship. It's tough sometimes, but that's life. No need to be disingenuous. The average non-custodial parent is not paying more than half of their income. In my state, someone who makes a net $4,000 a month would pay $619 for one child, up to $1,254 for 5+. I'm sure there are some men out there who pay greater than 50%, but it's not typical. Regardless, child support is not even close to equival…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 11:46 PM
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I work in health insurance and make about 40K annually.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 08:10 PM
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You keep saying this. Do you really not believe that women with less than destructive motivations exist? I get it, most men are fucking awful, too. It just doesn't seem worth it to disparage all of them all day on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 06:56 PM
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Short answer, yes. Feminists find many issues with male sexuality and tend to broad brush those issues over all men. I don't have time to go into a whole spiel here, but men who don't buy into feminist conditioning do the same shit to women. They just don't have a political machine to specifically represent their interests to gather harems of lithe, horny, obedient women. This would be nearly impossible anyway, as men are typically more competitive than collectivist. Interesting that neither of …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 05:31 PM
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I think this is sort of right. Probably spot on for some women, though probably not the ones here. It's more like risk mitigation to me. Men around here don't want to marry because their wives might divorce rape/dead bedroom them. Similarly, any woman with half a brain understands that having children out of wedlock leaves them and their children with a greater risk of hardship. Child support and welfare are not equal to having a life partner and second income to help raise your children.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 05:03 PM
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Seems like an excellent way to be left high and dry with a young kid, no home and no job. That said, I almost definitely would not give up my career as a married woman, either. I doubt that most men would stick around during the first year+ of a baby's life, when the woman's sex drive probably disappears and taking care of baby is a sleepless living hell, without the motivator of marriage. Men take great pride in their families, but little pride in their baby mamas. Much like men who don't want …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 04:50 PM
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I feel you. You may have better luck in more religious communities, if that's your thing. Both my parents are devout Catholics and that does absolutely shape the way they view their marriage. There's also a pretty significant disability acceptance movement on the left, if that's your thing. Either way, good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 11:40 PM
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Ocular albinism isn't the same as what most people think when they hear "albino". It only affects the pigmentation of the iris and retina. He's got normal skin, brown hair and blue eyes. Lol https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/ocular-albinism
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 11:36 PM
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Cool, thanks! Sounds a lot like my dad. He has ocular albinism, so he's also been legally blind since he was a young child. He's using magnifiers on his phone and computer now, but he may need to transition to readers in the next few years. He's always done most everything on his own and continues to volunteer now that he's retired. Anyway, he's been married for ages and has three kids. I'd say his dating life worked out in his favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 11:04 PM
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My dad is legally blind and bipolar. He and my mom have been married for 36 years. I would consider dating a legally blind or a deaf person. Decent self sufficiency and severe physical deformity are really the lines for me. Out of curiosity, are you legally or totally blind? I'm curious about any accessibility software you may be using.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 10:06 PM
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Female, 25 and my count is 16. I've never lied about it, but I honestly don't think I've ever been asked. My partners and I have talked about past experiences, but not exact numbers. My husband knows all about my sexual history.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 08:59 PM
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Women generally strapped their babies to themselves and got back to gathering/foraging/farming/domestic work. Or left the babies with elders.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 08:21 PM
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Testosterone has been found to be a hormone that helps regulate emotions Source? This strikes me as overly simplistic and probably false on its face.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 07:55 PM
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This is a pretty huge jump. it's been demonstrated that child predators aren't above concealing themselves as feminists to prey on the children of single mothers- an avenue that would not normally be open to the predators if women simply committed to the biological father. Do you have anything to back this up? Children from single parent homes (and homes with "parental discord and domestic violence") are more likely to suffer sexual abuse. I have no clue where you got the bit about feminist men.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 10:50 PM
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All confrontations do not deteriorate to the worst case scenario, zip tied in the basement, consequence. There are gradients of negative, of which physical violence is arguably the worst. I, at least, have not ever been held against my will, nor has it ever been a real possibility within my interpersonal relationships. Hopefully you can say the same. Your initial argument is that women have no accountability because they are not subject to the same threat of violence as men. Men can't hit women,…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 07:36 PM
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What if said person refuses to allow you to leave? Where do you draw the line? Comes down to violence. What if they do allow me to leave? Is that experience violent? Most people don't hold other people physically hostage. Violence is only one possible outcome. And again, removing oneself from a situation is not a violent act. I don't want to be unhappy, so I refuse your terms. Unless you kidnap or hurt me, I'm free to leave unscathed. No violence ensues. I refuse to leave the place of employment…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 06:10 PM
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Removing yourself from another person's presence (dread or legit leaving) is not violent. Unhappiness is not inherently violent. An employer terminating an employee for failure to do their job, or anything else for that matter, is not a violent act. If you are defining any negative interpersonal consequence that a person could experience as violence, then your point is moot. Women are not free from the risk of experiencing any and all negative outcomes of their behavior. We are shielded to a gre…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 05:41 PM
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Sure, violence is often necessary to force compliance. Force is not the only method by which compliance can be obtained. Dread is one method that everyone here should be familiar with. Nothing forceful about it, but apparently it works. People in decent relationships are also often incentivized to comply with each other's wishes in order to avoid their partner's (and their own) unhappiness. I am incentivized to comply with my employer's requirements so that I don't end up homeless and starving. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 05:23 PM
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This would be true if there were no other negative consequences one could experience besides violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 04:38 PM
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I agree with you for the most part. When men shut down, they're indirectly saying "leave me alone" due to stress response. I believe it is a more self protective action than partner protective, though. I also think the author's bit about women feeling ignored and undervalued when men don't address their nagging is pretty spot on. It's a fairly unforgiving, misunderstood cycle for both sexes. Individual men will differ in levels of aggression, so some may be driven to become violent past their sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 04:34 PM
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Who says men would have to change their sexuality? Anyone can suck a dick or be penetrated, no sexual attraction or arousal required. Fewer men are willing to do it, is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 06:44 PM
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Oh wow! I thought it was a pretty common phrase. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 03:11 PM
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? I would have to never go into my own bathroom in order to avoid seeing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 02:29 PM
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Of course my husband has flaws. My desire to regard him in a positive light to strangers on the internet doesn't discount them. It would be disrespectful and unhealthy for me to bitch and moan about his shortcomings to anyone, Reddit anons included. That said, he was raised in drought country and good god I wish he would not let his yellow mellow. Maybe that makes me an anti-environmentalist, but it's just gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 01:50 PM
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Do you have any experience with violent and abusive dementia patients? They don't always become violent, but it is pretty common. Even if they're not violent, they often need 24/7 care. Fun anecdote: My blind father's dementia addled neighbor stabbed him because he was convinced that the blind man had broken into his shed and stolen his stuff. She is not saying that she'll abandon him if he gets sick. She's committing to take care of him if he gets sick up to the point that it becomes a real dan…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 05:07 PM
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I think you and I define "crybaby" differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 03:14 PM
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Most people. It's normal human behavior to talk about things with other humans. Positive, negative, whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 01:12 PM
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That men are naturally monoliths of stoicism that never want to talk about their fee fees. Granted, the argument is more often that women find men's fee fees unnatractive, but there are those around here who think men seriously don't ever want to share any strong emotions. All of the men I'm close to have vented to me about one negative feeling or another. I've gotten this from boyfriends, my husband, male relatives, male coworkers and male friends. Shockingly, none of them are emotionless robot…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:52 PM
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Listening to men rant about how angry or frustrated their boss/coworkers/friends make them is also emotional support. I can't imagine being with a man who legitimately never vents about anything. IME, both parties in a relationships typically take part in emotionally supporting the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:43 PM
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I agree with you that women as a whole probably do this less. My husband seems to appreciate a little pre-genital foreplay, but prefers that I get to work on his penis pretty quickly. He's usually already got an erection by the time I get there after a minute or so of kissing/grinding/whatever. He was very uncomfortable the one time I ever tried to touch his nipples, so I don't go there at all. I need more all over sensation in order to even enjoy genital stimulation, so he usually spends more t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 08:55 PM
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I'm arguing that people will continue to have kids they can't afford regardless. Both now and in the future. Those kids will either end up in the system or exploited much like in the third world.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 11:53 PM
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We're talking about children. Parents are generally not allowed to choose to starve their children without consequences. We'll just end up with even more children in foster care/group homes if other direct social safety nets are abolished. Is your argument that there should be no governmental effort to ensure child welfare, or that dumping even more kids into the system is a good thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 09:12 PM
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This is... Interesting. As a sexual roleplay thing, a woman could probably entice a few of the stranger men. A woman might even be able to convince a few of the very impressionable ones that they're bound to her, but that would be a manipulative and awful thing to do. Souls, witchcraft, god(s) and whatever else are all horseshit. I wouldn't be able to ask a man to do this without absolutely cracking up. I literally cannot imagine a reality like this. I do agree to a certain extent as to why witc…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 12:34 AM
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Men don't want to be and act like women because women don't reward men who act like women with attraction and sex. The next question I have is whether or not it's harmful to men not to show emotion (if they would actually like to do so in the first place) in the pursuit of sex. From a male perspective, I guess acquiring sex is more important than other forms of emotional release? The conditioning for boys to be tough starts very early. Long before they're even concerned with sex. Is the traditio…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 08:36 PM
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I believe their point was that yes, girls are sometimes bullied to the point of suicide by boys. This is by no means a one way street, but it happens. Girls are definitely beat up less often, but it does happen on occasion. Particularly within teenage romantic relationships. Porn-shaming is a weird way to phrase it, but I think they meant revenge porn. Girlfriend sends boyfriend nudes. They break up, then boyfriend sends nudes to their peer group and maligns her character. She's then subject to …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 04:49 PM
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Husband and I talk more about sex and gender related issues than we used to. Turns out he's also pretty interested in the topic. Otherwise I think I'm a bit less naive about the goodness of people. That can be accomplished most anywhere on the internet, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 01:19 AM
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I would think the impulsivity would make bipolar men quite decent with women. Perhaps during manic phases. I doubt many women would want to stick around through recurring manic/depressive cycles.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 02:19 AM
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My dad has bipolar 2, which is characterized by intense depression and hypomanic episodes. He doesn't experience full blown mania, so it's much more sad and less angry/energetic/risky. His condition is such that he can't work. He and my mom have been married for 36 years. It's been a hard fucking time for everyone involved. Their relationship is pretty far from healthy, but holy shit they're still going. He managed it by himself for most of his life, but broke down at about age 47. He's 62 now. …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 12:48 AM
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The Hello Kitty community doesn't regularly congregate to share violent fantasies and wallow in self-hate. He was a fucked up guy whose issues were likely exacerbated by the echo chamber of hate he admitted to being involved with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/18 02:27 PM
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My atheist husband pursued my atheist self HARD for marriage. He's told me many times that he wasn't looking for a wife when we started seeing each other. He just decided early on that he wanted to settle down with me and he was determined to make it happen. To be fair, it is exceedingly hard to find people who share our view points in this part of the country. Being together is a breath of fresh air in that way. I could get all romantic on you, but I won't. I help take care of his daughter and …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 02:11 PM
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Women typically give men, and other women, a baseline level of polite behavior and avoidance of confrontation/deference in everyday interactions. That's not to say that cruel or confrontational women don't exist, just that this is the accepted female cultural norm. We are socialized (and wired, I believe) to more often than not mask our negative emotions in public. Women expect to get this politeness back and are sometimes shocked when that doesn't happen. You are correct, men are not usually so…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 06:54 PM
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This. Though I might simplify 2 to "socially acceptable levels of politeness". Women are generally taught to be polite and are less confrontational than men. It's just a shock to some women when men are not equally as polite and non-confrontational.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 06:35 PM
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You can typically tell this by whether or not the other person reciprocates the effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 04:25 PM
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Lol, I can see that. It was said in a very jokey manner and it made me smile. He would have normally agreed to get chinese. We hadn't eaten out for awhile and he loves the restaurant we order from.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 11:09 PM
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I gave my husband a BJ on a whim yesterday. About an hour later I mentioned that I was feeling chinese takeout for dinner and he said "keep up with those BJs and I'll buy you all the chinese food you want." We both giggled and proceeded to enjoy some rad food together. Feels good, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 06:21 PM
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I haven't listened to that one! I'll add it to my list. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 05:02 PM
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Cults, of the sexual variety and not, have been at this for ages. I agree that radicalization is often the result of a crisis of personal significance. I doubt it's more widespread than it used to be, though. We have much greater access to information than we used to. Whereas people used to turn primarily toward whatever organized religious cult was nearest to them, they can now pick and choose from a greater variety. We can trace the practice of ritualistic sex in religious/cult environments as…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 05:01 PM
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I love LPOTL! They covered Jim Jones pretty recently, actually. It's a six episode series and it's definitely worth a listen.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 04:46 PM
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I had an ONS once. Respect wasn't a part of the deal at all. We talked for a few days, met up for sex and went our separate ways. I didn't think less of the guy, but there wasn't any admiration going on. I was just young, horny and looking for a new experience. I definitely respected the men I've dated more, in that I actually cared about/admired them. I haven't had any other ONS, but I also haven't made men I've dated wait. This did cause one guy I dated to bolt. That confused me for a time bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 09:11 PM
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There isn't a public train system here, and the inter-city bus system is almost nonexistent. Heavily rural states typically don't invest in any kind of strong public transit. Edit: I was wrong. There are three train stations in the state and they do sell tickets to the public. Rides are sold as more of a tourist attraction than a functional form of transportation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 02:26 PM
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You're assuming a great deal here. Causation, for one. All I'm arguing is that women in states like mine have a seriously difficult time obtaining abortion services. Particularly due to the rates of rural poverty. It's a legitimate grievance for these women. My husband and I don't want children, so it is possible that we could have to deal with the insane roadblocks here if our BC fails. Luckily we're not impoverished and my fertility is iffy. We've talked at length about the logistics of the wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 12:57 AM
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From the section of the CDC data on occurrence and residence: By occurrence, a considerable range existed in the abortion rate (from 3.6 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years in Mississippi to 24.3 abortions per 1,000 women in New York [city and state combined]) and the abortion ratio (from 49 abortions per 1,000 live births in South Dakota to 414 abortions per 1,000 live births in New York [city and state combined]).*** This demonstrates that a significant difference in access (among other…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 07:43 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 05:21 PM
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This is the sort of ideological barrier that keeps us from implementing practical solutions. Fewer men paying child support and fewer (boy!) children being raised in poverty. Really, the concept should bring you joy. Married women and those in LTRs also use birth control. And women even pay taxes. Shocking, right? I would much rather my taxes go to impoverished children than the US war machine, but I'd be pleased as punch to reduce the number of impoverished children via practical policies like …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 05:13 PM
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Well that's just nonsense. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 01:51 PM
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I'm not a particularly social person in the first place, so I have few relationships with both men and women. I've had two very close female friends since about 8th grade, but I don't keep up with them regularly anymore. We've all got our own lives and whatnot. We used to spend a lot of time together and none of us have any patience for catty bullshit. I see one of them in person maybe three times a year and it's always refreshing. The other now lives across the country, has made some unfortunat…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 01:20 PM
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I scored middle of the road in everything. Explorer: 45% Builder: 45% Director: 52% Negotiator: 50% The website I took the test on seems a bit shoddy, but I guess there are probably better paid versions out there somewhere. I wonder how my significant introversion impacts these scores. I definitely noticed the lack of int/ext measurement while taking the test.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 12:49 PM
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I took his statement to mean that someone with very high testosterone (radical end) would prefer someone with very high estrogen (also radical, opposite end.) Those who test with moderate levels of each of these prefer a moderate opposite. However, he says that those who test high in dopamine/serontonin typically prefer their "like". So someone who is highly ordered (high serontonin) probably prefers another ordered person for a mate. If we're ascribing political & ideological meaning to this do…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 11:57 AM
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That can be determined easily through mediation instead of pitting people against one another in an adversarial process. Isn't mediation the preferred route in these matters already? If an adversarial process takes place, it's because one or both of the spouses chooses to to be adversarial. Or perhaps that the lawyer(s) is trying to maximize their profits. My uncle and his ex just finalized their no fault divorce in Missouri without any adversarial nonsense, thankfully. If assets are determined …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 06:23 PM
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Sure, social stigma will always exist. Individual women will always have their own feelings about abortion, good or bad. I'm arguing that in states like mine, systemic inaccessibility is a direct result of religious/social stigma. The religious views of the politicians here directly impede accessibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 10:54 PM
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There wouldn't be nearly as much systemic inaccessibility if not for the religious/social stigma. It's the religious right that legislates harsh state-level regulations on abortion clinics, causing them to shut down. This is why the red (read: highly religious) state I live in has one abortion clinic, yet blue states typically have them in abundance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 08:57 PM
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That's very cute that you think humans are dumb, don't know how their bodies work and can't make good decisions, just be advised that that puts the sacred "Her body, her decision" in question, doesn't it? On average, this is true. Particularly in poor areas. Stupid and poorly educated people still have the right to bodily autonomy and their own medical decisions. People in the US kill themselves with bad dietary choices all the time. You could, if you wanted, choose to eat sugar for every meal o…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 02:33 PM
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Lol, yes we do. Abstinence only states just so happen to be the ones with the highest teen pregnancy rates. My HS's idea of sex ed was bussing us all to a church one day and showing pictures of STDs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 01:33 PM
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What? You've never heard of an accidental pregnancy? Humans are overwhelmingly stupid and frequently knock women up/get knocked up without intending to do so. A shocking number of people don't even understand all the ins and outs of their own bodies. Lots of folks believe that pregnancy happens because sky daddy wants it that way, for fuck's sake. A woman can keep a baby she doesn't actually want, and I would argue that happens quite a bit among the lower/working class. This issue is entirely to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 01:25 PM
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Men don't have any rights to their children Bullshit. Married men have presumed paternity and automatic custody with their wives. Married fathers have literally every legal right to halt an adoption. Unmarried fathers are in a less than ideal situation, but they can list themselves on punitive father registries, establish paternity with the court and petition for varying degrees of custody and visitation. My own husband has been down that road with his daughter. She is nine and her mother has ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 03:47 AM
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Edited for formatting and clarity: Your analogy only works if the musician dropped out of a different, higher paying field to pursue music that is somehow for the benefit of their family. A SAHM who never wanted to do anything else is not sacrificing much. A SAHM mom who used to make a comfortable living and is now dependent on her husband, who may or may not eventually leave her depending on how the wind blows, is sacrificing her potential in the future job market. Her spouse in this scenario i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 02:23 AM
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Ah, I misunderstood you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 11:42 PM
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What? How are any of those things feminine?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 11:38 PM
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Did you file for support after she abandoned you? I'm sorry for how this worked out for you. I know it's got to be incredibly painful. I'm just curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 06:53 PM
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Men, MGTOWs and society in general do not deny the essence of men. Society, sure. There are many in the manosphere who believe themselves to be members of the altogether superior sex. Same on the radfem side, for what that's worth. My personal analysis shows that men's altruism saves roughly 5 times as many lives as men's violence takes. Altruism is a lie. Protective instinct is the closest we have, and it's not without its own personal gain. I could agree that men and women manifest this differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 06:48 PM
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I have approached a few times. If a man doesn't approach first, it typically means he isn't interested. Granted I was approaching acquaintances/friends that I liked for dating, not randos for NSA sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 05:46 PM
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and she didn't have to pay and back due child support What??? That's absolutely insane. My husband had to pay two years of back support after his ex filed for it, even though he directly cared for his daughter the entire time. Fucking hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 05:16 PM
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This guy is entirely too confident that the MGTOW definition of "a woman's essence" is correct. I could easily claim that "a man's essence" is that of selfishness and violent criminality based on observations of the group's behavior and I would be about as correct as this guy. Variations in intelligence, aggression machiavellianism, etc. are present in all people. Focusing only on those negative traits in the out-group reveals his own in-group bias, which he oddly deems specifically feminine. He…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 05:08 PM
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Yes. I've mentioned that twice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 03:12 AM
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Good luck with that. Reproductive abuse happens to both men and women. I fail to see how jailing women (not men, though) who sabotage birth control or coerce a pregnancy into existence could possibly help the "net transfer" of taxes from men to women. I'm sympathetic to the idea of legal parental surrender, but I won't hold my breath for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 02:52 AM
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Slippery slope. Why don't we establish a law to preemptively sterilize people who fail standardized parenting exams? You can't be forced to donate a kidney to a dying person. Women can't be forced to terminate or carry a pregnancy. Bodily autonomy applies to everyone or no one. Men voluntarily using their own birth control and fighting for equitable custody is just about the only ethical way of dealing with this issue. We are making progress on those fronts, believe it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 02:38 AM
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I'll remember to tell my employer to stop withholding taxes from my paychecks. /s But seriously though, the reasons for the earnings gap and the tax gap are overwhelmingly the same. Men make up the majority of top earners and often don't have to deal with the day to day, mundane, time consuming bullshit involving their spawn and other relatives if they don't want to. Childless men qualify for the same benefits as childless women in the US. That extra tax drain is for the children that moms overw…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 01:58 AM
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They should. I wasn't aware of any social stigma attached to men leaving unsuccessful women. It's understandable for anyone to turn down or leave a lazy, good for nothing person.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/18 12:10 AM
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Yes, women should put in the work to make a decent living for themselves. From this perspective, men should also get paternity leave and participate in child rearing and family/elder care. The majority of men are not motivated to do these things to the same degree as women, and the majority of women are not motivated to achieve career success to the same degree as men. Our species is largely wired for gender specialization. As long as we have equality of opportunity, there's nothing wrong with i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 11:54 PM
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Pushing for equality of outcomes is delusional and harmful, yes. Putting oneself down as naturally inferior/less capable can really only harm and limit a person, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/18 08:37 PM
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I like to dress fairly modestly in public. The attention that I get when I show too much skin has never been comfortable for me. I'll wear sexy clothes at home with my husband, but that's about it. The fashion industry pushes whatever they think they can sell to whatever their target demographic is. Overtly sexy clothes are often advertised to a younger, poorer demographic. You may see more of this since you're 18 yourself. A pleasant compliment on my hair or clothes is always appreciated. Even …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/18 02:00 PM
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Why have people taken his post to mean that he doesn't want to reconnect with his daughter? He says near the beginning that he currently gets overnight visits with her. I imagine those were hard won if his ex did actually falsely accuse him of something bad enough to warrant an order of protection, plus stonewall his whole family for 4.5 years. She shut him out here. There's no way to know if that's all true, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. The ex acted like a sociopath and he's rig…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/18 02:01 AM
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That's odd. My experience with Christianity has been very much of the fire and brimstone variety. The biblical literalists that live around here and the Catholics I grew up with preach frequently that unrepentent sin will land a person in hell. Please note that unrepentent sinning is actively denying Jesus to these people. You should meet the nuns that taught me Sunday school. Lol If marriage is a condition for good sex then it stands to reason that sex cannot be inherently immoral That's correc…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/18 11:45 PM
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They do believe that sex outside of marriage is a sin. This is basic Christianity. They really, truly believe that their god will condemn people who engage in premarital sex and/or adultery (which are somehow the same thing) to hell if said sinners don't repent and change their ways. So yes, marriage is the parameter that cures the "sin" for these people. Sex-pos feminists view sex acts themselves as amoral, lol, and suggest that the relationships and situations surrounding the sex can be immora…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/18 10:39 PM
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I'm not sure I follow. Christians believe that sex itself is immoral outside of marriage and if it deviates beyond accepted positions/acts. Sex positive folks believe that sex itself outside of marriage is not immoral. They don't typically distinguish between types of sex acts, except for consensual vs. non-consensual.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/18 10:02 PM
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I feel you. I'd have to examine the other thread more to see what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/18 09:22 PM
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I didn't engage in the other thread. I'm working solely off of the quotes you gave us here. And you would lie about it which is the worst thing. Hence why even older women should wait to have sex. To filter out men who just want to use her, like you. This appears to be fear of being used, not shame for having sex. Do you understand the difference? Let's try it this way. Going on a dinner date can be a mutually enjoyable experience. However, if the girl butters you up to get you to take her somew…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/18 09:13 PM
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This is operating under the assumption that a mutually enjoyable sexual experience is emotionally damaging while also falsely assumes that all women who have sex do it for an end goal of a LTR. If the person is assuming that the sex itself is harmful, that would not be sex positive. One can still be sex positive and understand that being used for anything, sex included, just doesn't feel that great. Feeling ashamed for having sex outside of marriage is sex negative. Feeling hurt due to being lie…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/18 08:49 PM
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The exceptions typically lie in actions accompanying sex that people deem to be immoral. Sex itself is not immoral to a sex-pos person, but lying about loving someone to obtain sex from them is. BDSM is not immoral, but violating a set boundary is. Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/18 08:07 PM
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I checked out the reference given on the Wikipedia page for this quote in particular. It's from a WordPress page for a woman who runs a 501 C-7 nonprofit in Seattle dedicated to changing views about the BDSM/Leather community, apparently. My personal definition of sex positive is an attitude towards human sexuality that regards all consensual sexual activities as fundamentally healthy and pleasurable, and encourages sexual pleasure and experimentation. https://allenagabosch.wordpress.com/2014/12…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/18 07:32 PM
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Sex-positivity is "an attitude towards human sexuality that regards all consensual sexual activities as fundamentally healthy and pleasurable, encouraging sexual pleasure and experimentation". Believing that literally every consensual sex act is fundamentally healthy and pleasurable is delusional. Sex can absolutely be healthy and pleasurable, but I would argue that a great deal of consensual sex (both before and within marriage) is not. If a 30 something and a 21 year old want to get it on, goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/18 06:28 PM
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1) Never tried any of these. 2) Usually reactive. I'm typically open to the idea of sex, but I'm not usually physically or mentally turned on until my husband has taken some sort of action. I will sometimes initiate even when I'm not "horny" because I know I'll get there eventually. It seems accurate to me to say that I'm turned on by his desire for me. 3) I'm much more likely to desire sex without external stimulus around ovulation. Hormonal birth control does seem to dampen this, but it doesn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/18 03:19 PM
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We're both about average for our area. Not ugly, but not special.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 01:46 AM
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My husband and I were never totally monogamous to begin with, but I've stopped desiring casual sex/relationships altogether. My life is too busy and I'm just not all that interested in new people. I've got no desire to go barhopping or join a new social activity. I'm also too introverted and anxious to meet people online. I just end up feeling bad about never messaging people back and inevitably delete whatever profile I've created. I'm free to look for some side fun if I want to, and I get a fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/18 01:23 AM
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It's only one piece of a puzzle. The penis is not the end all be all, or even the most important aspect, of female sexual pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 02:02 AM
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A very elite club.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 01:52 AM
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I did have one too many "ins" there. I meant that the vagina and cervix are not the only internal parts that are "touched" during sex. The penis, depending on size, comes into contact with other pelvic organs/tissues through the flexible vaginal wall. This includes the uterus, bladder, ureters, pelvic floor, ligaments, intestines, etc. There are treatments for endometriosis, and it is possible to have an awesome sex life. It's a complex and varied disease, but that wasn't my point. I was just tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 01:40 AM
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Of course it wasn't actually in her uterus. I imagine it was hitting her cervix, but something that large would also take up much more pelvic real estate than a normal penis. I'll try to explain a bit further. I have endometriosis, which in my case results in painful collections of tissue on the broad ligaments located behind and under my uterus. Depending on the position, sex with my normally hung husband can be quite painful. Even though his penis has obviously not found it's way outside of my…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 12:35 AM
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Female size Queens do exist and I've never understood them. "I can feel it in my uterus" is a TERRIFYING statement from my perspective. Qualitatively different does not mean good. Working with anything that large would be excruciatingly painful for me. While women who get off on that sort of thing exist, I find it hard to believe that there are tons of them out there. Keep in mind that people in porn are being paid to act like they enjoy it. Most normal women do not ever have sex with one of tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 12:05 AM
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Raping a minor is a criminal, horrifying thing to do to someone. It is not at all comparable to normal sexual activity. Geez Louise. That said, I respect the fact that many people care about their partners' past. That's fine. Fucking around in one's youth is not a bad thing to me personally. Both my husband and I did it, though our specific numbers have never come up in conversation. Neither of us would have been happy had the other one been virginal or otherwise inexperienced. Sexual past matte…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/18 03:08 PM
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Of course not. He just said it wasn't natural and didn't occur outside of postmodern society.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 08:02 PM
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Dominatrices have been around since at least the 16th century. There are accounts of religious practices involving female sexual dominance going as far back as Mesopotamia, as well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominatrix And that's just the more extreme examples. Most people enjoy a little give and take in regard to dominance/initiation/taking the lead.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 05:43 PM
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I do enjoy it more when he's standing up, actually. Or sitting while I'm kneeling, etc. I enjoy seeing/feeling him above or on top of me in general. I derive a lot of happiness and arousal from giving him pleasure. It's definitely mixed in with the excitement of being submissive and the physical sensation of him in my mouth, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/18 07:12 PM
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Woman married to a man. I'm really into it about 95% of the time. It's almost always satisfying and arousing, provided my jaw isn't acting up. He loves it, I love it, it's good for everyone involved. I'm a bit surprised at how many people say they enjoy it because it makes them feel in control. I feel very submissive giving head. That's a significant aspect of why I enjoy it. My husband likes to give it more than I like to receive it. He would probably do it every time, but I prefer the sensatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/18 06:35 PM
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Woman, 25, married, blue-ish purple. I'm hovering around a 5 right now. I'm trying to hack it without anti-depressants and I think I'm doing ok. Regular exercise and vitamin D supplements help a great deal, but it's still an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/18 12:49 AM
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The poem itself references the Romans' proclivities for pederasty. Is it also every wife's duty to let her husband sodomize pubescent boys?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 10:03 PM
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If your point is that self-interest nullifies everything that women contribute to relationships, it nullifies everything men contribute as well. Thus neither party actually benefits from anything, ever. Nothing matters and we all careen into the nihilistic void. Or we can recognize that there are levels of self-interest and extrapersonal benefit in most relationship interactions. If one finds oneself shackled to a person who is all self-interest and no lovey spousal benefit, one should probably …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 09:56 PM
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And the nice things men do for women are also done, at some level, for themselves. What's your point? This is how humans work. A man who provides for his family gets the satisfaction of feeling like a manly provider. A man who does sweet things for his wife gets the satisfaction of having a happy wife. If the wife is a horrible cunt who can't appreciate his efforts, that's her problem and vice versa. Edit: Attitudes like that foster ingratitude and tank relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 09:37 PM
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The men who congregate here are hashtag not all men. Nor are all men incapable of appreciating when their women do kind things for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 09:15 PM
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Thanks, that's what I chalked it up to as well. We got over it after awhile and moved on. It's en extreme example, but I thought it fit this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 07:05 PM
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Omg, man. Men and women frequently give the same or similar things in relationships. This person wasn't saying that a woman's time and affection are more valuable, just that she gives them to her partner. Women also work and pay bills. I don't know why you are ignoring that. You can do all those things, sure. However, a woman might do them for you because she cares for you. See how that works? You didn't have to do a thing because your partner cares enough about you and your time/desires to take…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 06:26 PM
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So in your opinion she should accept her lumps and not try? She freely admitted that she is looking for a guy with a good job who will love her and her baby. It's a naive request, but she's not lying about what she wants. Putting it out there doesn't mean she'll get it. The guy who impregnated her will probably be on the hook for child support. Should've controlled his dick better, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 06:01 PM
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Yes, married women, and even then only some. Most girls who are in for casual dating/relationships will never ever do such things. So again, what do women bring to the table apart from their vaginas? You specified that you were talking about women who are out for casual dating. I'll assume you were just trying to move the goalpost there, so I'll switch gears to LTRS. Some men don't appreciate the love, time and care that women give to them. (Again, your words) Thus they, like you, think they get…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 05:51 PM
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What else would a woman give to a man if the only thing he wants is sex? Anything else she could give (like her time, love and care -as you suggest men give in your OP) wouldn't be appreciated. Casual dating is"casual" because there is no expectation of a deeper bond. What do men offer to casual dating partners other than their money?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 05:37 PM
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Good for you. Belle still has a good point. Men, on average, are not some selfless simpletons who never demand anything. Those who are will get taken advantage of by awful women, just like women who have no standards will get taken advantage of by awful men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 04:50 PM
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Would you be happier or more attracted to her if she posted some self-deprecating bio about how she'll take any man who will have her? She's being honest about what she's looking for. Why be outraged about it? Simply putting it out there doesn't mean she'll get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 04:39 PM
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On contrary, men are taught only to give, give their time, love, resources, care and security, everything they have if they want to find a "good wife". Emphasis mine. It's right there in your post. If you weren't suggesting that men give and never demand, why use the word "only"?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 04:22 PM
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Should the girl in your example hide the fact that she's pregnant? Or would you rather she keep herself out of the dating market altogether? I don't doubt that more people teach women to be assertive and potentially demanding than they used to. However, I think it's just a reaction to long entrenched teachings that women should be silent, agreeable and more or less a commodity for their fathers/husbands. People are so afraid of raising doormats that they instead raise entitled assholes. It sucks…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 01:15 PM
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Sure, I did say women don't often want to harm people with their genitals. Women who do have that desire surely exist, though. I'd be curious to know how much of that is driven by a punitive sense of sexual dominance vs. a disregard for the harm caused in favor sexual gratification. In both sexes, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 02:07 PM
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It's probably more common for people to wish rape or murder on others than it is for people to want to commit rape or murder themselves. We, as a species, used to publicly torture people to death for entertainment. Some communities still do. However, the executioners themselves were often considered to be of an "untouchable" caste. This is a very common, if fucked up, double standard in the human psyche.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 02:05 PM
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Contrasexualwoman's explanation is a pretty good one. I do think many men experience rage boners. I'm not sure how many of them translate that into an impulse for punitive sexual action. Or how many men think of rape as punitive, even. We really need more men to comment on this, but I'll not hold my breath.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 01:49 PM
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What? As in "I'll breast feed you to death"? Is this some internet fetish thing I'm as of yet unaware of?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 01:43 PM
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I don't think women often want to harm people with their genitals, so I'd say it's more of a male desire. I don't think a real deal desire to harm someone with their penises is all that common among the general men population, either, though. And I'd say it's possible for this urge to be more about dominance and social values enforcement than attraction to men. Take the routine rape of men in the Congo by rebel groups, for instance. If you're trying to suss out if you're attracted to men, that's…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 01:08 PM
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Wife isn't the jealous type. Wife has a low libido and also isn't the jealous type. Wife doesn't put herself out there for other people for whatever reason. Wife is more attracted to him than anyone else. Husband has a cuck/slut/hot wife/swing kink. Husband is incredibly attractive. Husband is not the jealous type.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 10:10 PM
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So your point is only that lack of attention from women contributes to men dismissing other male victims? It came off to me like you agreed with these dismissive men. If not, my apologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 05:17 PM
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So we should dismiss male victims who are sexually wronged by women because other men get no attention?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 12:21 AM
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I understand you. Why do you believe that women who chose to vote when they won suffrage knew nothing about how the political and economic systems worked? The majority of lower class women (i.e. the majority of women) did work outside the home. Why would the average uneducated man who plowed a field, for instance, have any better understanding than the average uneducated woman who worked in a textile mill or as maid?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/18 07:30 PM
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This guy is all over the place in his article. The whole thing reads to me like a poorly researched scare tactic. He claims that there is little functional difference between those with ASPD, NPD and BPD; then differentiates "Lucifer's daughter", who supposedly has ASPD, from typical cluster B women. What? That isn't to say that women like this don't exist. I think it is fairly common for women to have one or two of these negative inclinations, especially when they're young. However, I think it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/18 05:56 PM
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This is fair enough, he also has legal rights to the child and could have halted an adoption even if she had attempted it. Good for him. The ex girlfriend is stupid to not have expected to pay child support. Both parties sound like they must be young and dumb. At least the father is trying to better himself and provide a future for his kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/18 03:03 PM
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What was the point of your road analogy if not to imply this?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/18 02:21 PM
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That's more or less the impression I got as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/18 02:19 PM
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Extending the right to vote and own property to women was necessary in order to allow them to further participate in "building and maintaining" society, aside from reproduction, as you put it. Lower class women have always worked. The industrial revolution was built on the backs of male, female and child laborers, for instance. The children and women owed their earnings to their pater familias, is all. Sometimes the man would invest in what was best for the family, sometimes he would drink all t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/18 04:34 AM
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Was that consensus reached in a previous thread? I wasn't aware. You all agreed that she chose not to sleep with Aziz because it might hurt her chances of bagging a relationship with him/a different celebrity?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 10:08 PM
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Men view and experience sex differently than women. You said yourself that you have particularly enjoyed these experiences. Can you imagine not enjoying a sexual encounter? Why would you choose to take part in a sexual encounter you wouldn't enjoy? Do you believe that men and women are exactly the same? I think it is not a pleasant experience for most women to be used only for sex, again, because this is how the majority of women I have observed talk about it. Some women like casual sex, but the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 10:01 PM
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I just re-read the whole letter. I'm not understanding why you think she didn't want PiV because she thought it would devalue her. She told him to chill when he said he was going to get a condom. He continued to escalate, she appears to have begrudgingly agreed to oral and was turned off and distressed by his actions. It appears to me that his abruptness, thirst and persistence were simply a turn offs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 09:52 PM
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I get what you're trying to say, but I disagree with you. Women who view sex as a reward do, in my experience, use it to gain favors, money or status. They believe that their sex is an empowering bargaining chip. They are likely to withhold sex in order to control their husbands or use sex to bag a rich man. The women who feel that sex devalues them or who dislike being used for sex are generally not the ones who view it as a reward to be doled out. This is what I meant by out of touch with fema…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 09:19 PM
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I suspect that because that is how most women talk about pump n dumps. Being used for your body is not a pleasant experience for most women, as most women do not have male-level libidos. Are you a blank slatist? You are a man. Your sexual/relationship priorities are different from most women's. The statement that you have apparently had sexual encounters where you were only being valued for sex illustrates that at least those women don't believe sex devalues them. Assuming you're heterosexual, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 08:53 PM
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I agree with you, generally. My husband is 9 years older than me. Perhaps there are women who think it's gross or imbalanced, but none of them have said as much to me. Then again, I wasn't a teenager when we got together. My family members probably would have thought differently had that been the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 08:30 PM
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Only being valued for sex is a punch to the ego for most women. Thus, many women wait until they've established that a man is interested in more than just sex to have it. This attitude is steeped in historical implications and the whole Madonna/whore complex we have going for us. That said, there are tons of other reasons a woman might choose not to have sex. As another user said, perhaps she hasn't shaved her legs. Or she's tired, bloated, the guy smells funny or keeps trying "The V" on her and…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 07:58 PM
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This makes no sense. If a woman views sex as a reward that she gives to men, she views it as empowering. She chooses who gets it and tries to control the men around her by giving them what they want only when she sees fit. These women are more likely to wilfully engage in sex work, participate in sugar baby arrangements, only fuck their husbands when they get new jewelry, etc. Some women operate that way, others don't. Regardless, your argument is out of touch with female perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 07:41 PM
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Aziz is not the only man on the planet. She would still have to interact with other men who may or may not consider that one too many notches on her bed post. She also could have just not wanted to fuck him for an entirely unrelated reason. Did she actually say that she didn't want PiV because she didn't want to devalue herself?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 07:08 PM
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That's a fair point. Some women probably do experience a visceral "ewww" when thinking about older men chasing teenagers. Other women may still be concerned. Perhaps based on their own experiences when they were teenagers or how close the young girl is to them. Point is, different women will have different opinions and reactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 06:24 PM
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I think it varies from person to person. A 45 year old woman trying to date men her age only to be one-upped by women 10 years younger may be bitter. A 45 year old woman who observes a man gaming/playing an inexperienced 17 year old may be concerned. Why would it have to be one or the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 04:51 PM
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I sincerely doubt Ayatollah would agree that he believes exactly like liberal westerners on this issue. Maybe he does actually believe that women are oppressed "in the family", but he also believes that a woman's (and man's) place is rigidly defined by his religion. Of course he doesn't believe governing society per his religious laws is oppressive. This results in a heavily sex segregated society with compulsory dress codes and strong favor for men under the law. This is not at all in line with…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 01:55 PM
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Sure, that goes both ways. He probably should have mentioned that he likes to rough girls up before he carried her to the bedroom. This could even be part of the foreplay. There was no reason to spring it on her during the act.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 08:54 PM
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some ass slap He didn't specify where he was slapping her and admitted to being rougher than he normally is. I honestly assumed he was slapping her in the face or at least hard enough to bruise. There would have been no reason to categorize it as beyond normal roughness if it was routine ass slapping. Isn't violence Once again, he admitted to having trouble controlling himself and being rougher than usual. Why emphasize how rough it was if it was just normal fare? Roughness beyond what is normal…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 07:33 PM
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It matters because you suggested he was acting in a sex positive manner. Judging by his own account, he disregarded her discomfort with the situation when he ignored the dissociated look in her eyes. Do you not believe men should be concerned about crossing the line of consent. Yes. This guy was not concerned about it until he realized he could get in trouble. He assumed she was into "really rough" sex, ignored her dissociation and disregarded/gaslighted her when she said she didn't like rough s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 06:38 PM
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You're missing the part where he only consoled her because he was afraid he would be accused of rape. Why would he be afraid of that? Maybe because he acted in a borderline rapey manner. This has nothing to do with him being sex positive. He was only trying to cover his ass after willfully toeing the line of consent. He admitted in the post that she was a new partner, he wanted to put her in his "physically dominant frame", he had trouble controlling himself, the sex was "really rough" and he ig…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 06:14 PM
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So communication isn't gendered, but asking men to pay more attention to their partners' body language or seek affirmative consent is making them act like women? Female communication is much more often indirect. Men escalate and women are passive. Thus asking women to "speak up" is, by your standards, asking them to act like men. I do think women should be taught to take more control over their sexual encounters. I also agree that affirmative consent is ridiculous. However, telling men that they…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 05:45 PM
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This brings up an interesting scenario. What if the man refuses to submit to the paternity test? Should he be compelled by the government to provide his genetic material? A friend of mine had a daughter a few years back supposedly with a specific man, but that man has always claimed that she's not his. I don't know which of them is lying and it's not really my business, but I sincerely doubt he would submit to a paternity test. He managed to avoid being listed on the birth certificate or being h…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 01:28 PM
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We ended up talking about this issue as an aside after discussing child support for his daughter from a previous relationship. How it happened, why his ex waited two years to file for it, why he was charged arrears for the first two years even though he was supporting her, if he had any doubts about paternity, etc. I mentioned my stance on paternity testing, he agreed and that was that. We are not at all likely to have kids of our own due to medical issues of mine, so perhaps that colors my pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 05:35 PM
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It just makes sense to me for him to receive the same confirmation of biological parenthood that I would. I support paternity testing of all babies for this reason, including my own. Men have a legitimate biological disadvantage here. Why not address it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 05:23 PM
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Husband and I have already talked about this. I'm in favor of including paternity tests with all other routine tests given at birth and I'm fine with testing any children we may have.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 05:10 PM
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Ok... So you agree. Men adopting red pill tactics on a large scale (points 4 and 5) would greatly contribute to single motherhood. The hypermasculine composite of attraction bit is true, sort of, in socioeconomic climates like the poor black community. This is thanks to glorification of hypermasculine, criminal behavior due in large part to absent fathers and poverty. AF/BB theory is junk in communities where hypermasculine behavior is not put on a pedestal. "Less hypergamic" times afforded no s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 09:47 PM
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What? I thought we were theorizing here. OP's argument is a reasonable one, though I disagree with her statement that a gynocentric SMP would be any better. The prison pipeline culture in the poor black community makes it such that extreme "alphas" greatly outnumber marriage-minded men. She is correct that TRP tactics taken to the extreme only contribute to single motherhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 08:02 PM
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Your statements contradict one another. Black women should adopt pleasing orientations and lower their attractiveness standards (how does this work if attraction is not negotiable?) to gain commitment from quality black men. However, black men understand women and thus can never love them 'cause women are bad, m'kay? Sounds like a bunch of bullshit. Black male abandonment of the family unit has more to do with the school to prison pipeline than anything else. That and all the social norms that c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 07:45 PM
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This one? https://archive.is/N9p1I
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 02:19 AM
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Here's a good example of your point. She got 90 lashes for being alone in a car with a man, then her sentence was increased to 200 lashes and 6 months in prison for appealing her 7 rapists' lenient sentences. Her lawyer also lost his license over the appeal and is being charged with criticising the judiciary. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/nov/17/saudiarabia.international 90 lashes for being alone with a man, even after being brutally gang raped. Not oppressive at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 03:50 PM
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How is it not clear that there is real oppressive patriarchy in, let's say, Saudi Arabia? Saudi Arabian women are making strides, but they are still held to the whims of their male relatives via male guardianship and male escort laws. A woman cannot enroll in school, work, obtain a passport, rent or own a home or receive medical care without her father/brother/husband/son's permission. This has changed a bit lately, as divorced and widowed women no longer have to either get their ex's approval o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 03:12 PM
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Explanations alone do not disqualify the texts as evidence. Of course not. The specific explanations she gave were apparently enough to keep the police from charging her with a false report. If there is proof that the woman is lying or the story is inconsistent Right. The texts themselves were not enough to constitute proof that she was lying or demonstrate inconsistency. It is at least plausible that a woman who was raped by someone she cared for would try to talk to them about it without scari…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 06:24 PM
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There's no proof that it was false. Insufficient evidence does not equal false report. She had explanations for the texts she sent after the alleged incident and she's never admitted to lying. You can apply this to any sort of he said, she said crime. You claim that your roommate stole some cash that you had stashed away, but there is no proof that it happened. Your roommate says you're lying. Should police charge you with filing a false report? Anyway, I don't get why he hasn't sued her to get …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 05:44 PM
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I don't think she proved your point. "Treat women like children" is vague enough to be construed any number of ways. The definition given here is reasonable enough, but the article that it comes from (most responsible teenager in the house) is derogatory and, IMO, not fully in line with reality. To put it in other terms: "Women are incapable of love" and "men and women often love differently" are not the same message.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 12:21 AM
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Cool, we agree that both of these things are shitty and deserving of disgust. You asked how many incels talk about enslaving women. My answer is a lot of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 06:42 PM
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And women posting to Twitter about exterminating 90% of men are going to make it happen? I appreciate that a lot of the content posted there is just venting. Aside from the lifefuel thread with photos of a beaten woman, I guess. Doesn't change the fact that it's how many incels think. This is why people are disgusted and angered by them. Plenty of people are openly disgusted and angered by fat women, as well. Not sure why OP thinks otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 06:30 PM
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A concerning number of incels talk about enslavement, violence, retributive rape, etc. I went to the website just now to look for posts discussing women wanting to exterminate 90% of men. Instead I found: One about enslaving women to breed "ethnics" out of existence Two (by the same guy) about programming them to accept male dominance from childhood and making it illegal for single women to refuse sex One about a woman who was beaten for trying to get a dude to stop groping her (flaired lifefuel…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 06:10 PM
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Where do you find this junk?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 05:26 PM
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I actually agree with you on this topic. Child circumcision done without adequate medical cause is nothing short of mutilation. I'm amazed that more doctors don't refuse to perform the surgery in the first place. Should we not care about their problems, too? They're even more culpable than the parents, IMO. I do think that prevailing attitudes about circumcision influence parental decisions on the topic. I think men are probably more concerned about their sons' future sexual success than women, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/18 05:11 PM
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Respecting women is more a matter of respecting the men who are in her life. Why not respect them or not based on their individual merit? Are you pointing out that this is how things are, or stating that this is how things should be? They can't claim to be "injured" by something that they do normally as a part of their everyday existence. Sure they can. Enjoying sex and incorporating it into one's everyday life does not mean that one must enjoy all sex acts with anyone at any time. To continue y…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 06:34 PM
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This isn't the case in my experience. Granted, I've mostly been with introverts. The men I've dated and my husband have all confided in and communicated with me to a greater extent than other people. What's the point of a relationship if you're not friends with your partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 05:38 PM
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Yes and no? No: Married people are conventionally supposed to obtain sex only from their spouses. Thus, spouses owe each other sex and it is not a covert contract. Yes: One should not realistically expect to have sex without fostering an environment of good will and attraction. Thus, the lone fact of marriage cannot be a guarantee of sex, let alone satisfactory sex. This would be a good topic for a post.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 06:43 PM
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Sure. I've dated a couple of bisexual men in the past and it wouldn't bother me if my husband "came out" as bi. I would just wonder why he hadn't told me before. Also, bisexual does not automatically mean submissive. I can see how the perception of submission could cause many women to be disinterested, though. A lot of people are also intimidated by the thought that they'll never be able to completely satisfy a bi partner. This could be even more of an issue for women, since men typically crave …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 05:59 PM
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Denying sex in these scenarios is more about resentment and anger killing female libido than whether or not the chores are done.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 05:16 PM
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If your wife resents you for not doing your share of the work, it's a turn off. How that works is going to depend on the balance of turn offs and turn ons. This whole post, and especially this part, is a great explanation. I get the impression that men have trouble grasping the idea that resentment and lack of attraction, not dirty dishes, is the issue in these scenarios.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 05:12 PM
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Giant death mech 2020.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 01:04 PM
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Anyone who is legitimately triggered by this is not worth your time. Your values clearly wouldn't be compatible. I do agree that any sort of sterilization should be disclosed prior to any serious relationship commitments, though. It's just a decent thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 01:03 PM
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I don't think I could maintain a close, loving romantic relationship at this point in my life without sex. I could still love my husband in a familial way, but I do need sex with him in order to feel intimately and romantically linked. For me at least, love is not necessary for sex, but sex is necessary for romantic love.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 11:57 PM
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Even if we turn down the aggressiveness a bit, it seems very difficult to imagine some way to in which everyone, with all their desires but also their sensitivities, is always happy. What do we do about this? This is a pipe dream. You're basing your argument off of a fiction and arguing that it doesn't matter that it's fiction because it happens in real life. If it happens at all, I imagine it has to be statistically insignificant. The way to make the most people happy in this situation is to no…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 03:06 AM
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I'll play devil's advocate here. IME, many of them do. Here are a couple of articles from self-proclaimed feminists on both sides of this issue. Feminists can't like rap as it is and more female MCs are needed: https://thoughtcatalog.com/alita-tulsi/2016/03/how-to-be-a-self-respecting-feminist-and-also-a-rap-fan-just-kidding-you-cant/ Most media includes some sexist undertones, rap is just more honest and it's more varied than portrayed: http://djbooth.net/news/entry/2017-02-15-feminists-can-lov…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/18 08:22 AM
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I wouldn't classify humans as a wholly tournament species. Males do offer parental involvement and we clearly pair-bond. That's not to say that tournament mating doesn't happen, it does. But to suggest that 5% of human males do all the mating is too far fetched.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/18 01:14 PM
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Your standard of specificity is silly, given the way that you constantly reference media, nameless peers, hollywood and the like in regard to messages received by men. The "be yourself" and "nice guy" narratives are obvious. So is the "women are only good for sex" narrative. Feminism is changing this in the west, though. I will give you that. "Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks" And all the other lyrics that say more or less the same shit. Along with music videos that literally only portray …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/18 02:15 AM
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Dude. Learning that Jesus was born has nothing to do with "penis goes in vagina." Christians teach immaculate conception. Mary was impregnated by the literal will of God. That's great that you were taught how sex works. Many children of strict conservative Christians, especially girls, are not. Your experience is not the end all be all. There is tons of info about this on the internet, particularly in relation to purity culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/18 01:40 AM
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This is one of the strongest arguments, in my opinion. Abrahamic religions and purity culture very clearly promote the message that women's only worth is marriage, sex for their husbands and babies. The chewed gum analogy is an especially effective method of getting this across. It says "don't you dare tarnish the one thing that makes you valuable." As an aside, porn and pop culture are also huge contributors to the message that women's primary worth is sex. That's not specific enough for this t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/18 01:23 AM
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Observing a pregnancy tells one nothing about how the pregnancy occurred. Christians often don't talk about sex with their children. It's a thing that only married people do and it's bad to ask about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/18 01:01 AM
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I'm confused about why these examples aren't specific enough for you. She did tell you exactly who, when and what was said.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/18 12:35 AM
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I have only seen this portrayed in media, but I wouldn't put it past the brattier club going gals. Anyway, that would be a shitty thing for a girl to do. I think she would probably have to subsequently spread a rumor of some kind in order to actually injure the guy's reputation. A. Unless she literally screams it, very few people will hear it over the music. B. Even if other people do hear it and for some reason give a shit, people constantly flow in and out of those places. There will be new cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/18 09:23 PM
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How are laziness and bad financial sense not going to impact someone in a relationship? Money issues especially are a huge problem in many marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 11:32 PM
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That's fair enough. I live in the south as well and have seen this happen with concerning frequency under worse circumstances than this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 02:29 PM
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I can see that. This particular woman does come off as someone who is more upset at being used, rejected and then seen as a slut by her church leadership than an abuse victim, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 02:12 PM
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I mean, sort of? The implication of that action is not great. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 02:07 PM
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She was excited and she assumed they were getting ice cream or that he had a secret to tell her about moving to another church. Painfully naive if it's true. Given that this was a Christian youth pastor with a Christian 17 year old, it is at least possible. Youth ministers regularly spend time with "the youth" outside of church to chat about god and whatnot. Christians also regularly don't teach their kids about sex. I drove girls home in highschool and hooked up all the time in my car. Sure. Ty…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 02:02 PM
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I'm late to this party, but both my husband and I are high-ish N. To put it bluntly, the sex is much better than sex I've had with lower N people and he states the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 12:36 PM
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There would have been no need for him to lie about why he was driving her there if he expected her to be 100% happy with the situation. Granted, I am taking this account at face value. He has since made a statement to his congregation and didn't deny any part of her story, though. I agree that her bringing this up and going so far as reporting it to police is ridiculous if the story is actually as she presents it. (OP didn't mention this, but apparently she has attempted to report it.) There was…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 12:29 PM
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That's not the creepy part, imo. It was creepy that he said he was taking her home, but instead took her to some remote location and lied about why he did so. I could see how she could have felt intimidated by a man driving her to a remote place, but she didn't voice any opposition and she doesn't speak about it as if she felt threatened, intimidated or obligated by his authority over her. Thus, I'm not sure I understand her complaint beyond feeling "used", and that is no reason to drag someone …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 11:18 AM
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No, I'm arguing that male mate selection is not any more ethical than female mate selection. Each sex has their own priorities. Both sexes frequently overlook toxic behaviors in favor of obtaining the most optimal mate based on those priorities. Your suggestion that women seek out dark triad behaviors is comparable to the ways in which men seek out unstable women. Neither sex specifically looks for negative traits, but both sexes are susceptible to manipulation based on combinations of looks and…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 09:21 PM
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That's my point. Men are attracted to the way that BPD ( and generally unstable) women present themselves. Sexy, DTF, fun and exciting. They present themselves in this way because they know men are attracted to it and they need the attention/want to manipulate people. This is similar to how dark triad types present themselves to women. That's also why I used TRP as my example of men who are attracted to these behaviors. There are tons of men over there who were at some point attracted to unstabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 08:55 PM
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You really think women are attracted to and actively seeking out the blatantly negative aspects of a dark triad personality? That's not how it works. The study you cited had young women look at more or less dating profiles with autobiographical essays. Women are attracted to the ways that these men advertise themselves. I'm quite certain none of those profiles blatantly said "I'm a raging psychopath who will cheat, knock you up and leave." They more likely exuded confidence, high self esteem and…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 08:42 PM
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So men also disregard toxic behaviors in pursuit of the most beautiful (read: highest status) female. Men are not attracted to BPD behavior. I'm not convinced. People, men and women, frequently choose exciting dark triad people over stable, nice, boring people. They may not enjoy them once the crazy shows, but they seem to adore them until then. Rather like women adore a jerk until they find out about his five other girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 08:07 PM
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Perhaps I should have said "sexually restrained" instead of virginal. I was working from the premise in your OP that men seek moral righteousness in their mates via their preference for female sexual restraint. I disagree with that premise, as men do very often pursue women who are not sexually restrained. They may not pursue prostitutes, but lots of them desire sexually experienced women. And again, those who do prefer sexual restraint often have that preference for reasons other than moral rig…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 07:09 PM
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I would argue that male mate selection is no more ethical than female mate selection. A. Men often have sex with and LTR/marry non-virginal women. Some men do prefer virginal partners, but they appear to be a minority that skews conservative, young and inexperienced themselves. B. Even if a man wants to settle down with a virginal woman, his reasoning may not be tied to moral righteousness. He's just as likely to be motivated by insecurity, a sense of ownership (that's just how men think about w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 05:53 PM
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This view of "active" love appears to be heavily masculine. And even so, I think most men would add to it quite a bit. Liking men for their appearance alone. This is interesting. Most women would not call that love and would prefer to be liked or wanted for their whole being. Looks, personality, values, etc. I'm not sure what else to say about that. Women enjoy a man's looks, but our sexual attraction usually functions differently than the typical man's. Can't help it. I don't see how this diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 07:03 PM
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As of 2013 about 17% of single custodial parents were fathers. Much of that has to do with mothers being the primary care-takers of the children. This is supported by another stat in this link that shows that, as of 2011, 18% of fathers stayed home to care for their children while their wives work. I imagine that proving that druggie mom who doesn't work isn't adequately caring for her children all day is rather difficult, making the primary caretaker standard somewhat complicated. https://www.f…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 02:09 PM
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If the roles were reversed here, would you feel the same way? A woman quits her job and does nothing for two years but lounge on the couch and smoke weed. She doesn't care for the children or even look for work. Let's assume that, like many people, she obtains the money to smoke weed by selling it. Your advise to her husband would really be "you should have vetted her better"? Why should he not remove himself and his children from that situation? Would your mind change at all if the husband had …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 01:33 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/7mhmlq/q4mw_bullying_for_a_man_is_way_different_than Looks like it was deleted.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 09:34 PM
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I didn't say it was made up, just that you wrote it. Why are you so caught up on this topic? I don't understand the obsession.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 09:30 PM
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You obviously wrote that, dude. The account is two days old and you argued this exact scenario here last week. Regardless, it is unreasonable to request that your sibling put their life on hold while you sort your own shit out. The guy in the story admitted to his sister that he knew his request was unreasonable. Given the fact that you wrote the whole thing, I don't understand why you're trying to argue otherwise. Abuse is shitty. So is taking out your mental issues on your family members with …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 08:48 PM
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Didn't you have a girlfriend not that long ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 12:53 PM
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I agree for the most part. People who devote too much energy to contemplating worst case scenarios will typically bring less grace and/or forgiveness to the table in their relationships. There is a healthy balance between not allowing oneself to be taken advantage of and retreating into a paranoid, selfish existence. Vetting one's partner extensively for shared value systems is absolutely one of the best ways to strike that balance. Especially in regard to attitudes about marriage. I imagine sha…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 04:43 AM
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A. How in the world are those two things related? B. Marital rape was not outlawed in all 50 states until 1993 and it is still not even considered a real thing in much of the world. So, that's most of human history. C. The US has experienced vast leaps in technological advancement since 1993. Much faster than in previous time periods. I still do not think this has anything to do with marital rape. D. In regard to your statement that women who don't fuck their husbands when they're angry don't lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 03:53 AM
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Women also say no because they don't feel well, don't know the person, are on their periods, had a bad day, are angry with the person, are depressed or tired, aren't emotionally ready for sex with that person yet, etc. etc. And yes, because of a deficit of attraction. I'll spare you the anecdotes. Point is that saying no is not what causes rape. Not including drunken regret sex, of course. The rapist continuing after receiving a no is the cause. Full fucking stop. As an aside, how do you know an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 01:40 AM
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If they say "yes" then rape magically disappears. Lol, wut? Yes, that's how consensual sex works. Both men and women are capable of saying no to anyone, whether attraction is present or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 01:24 AM
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The socially awkward ones? There were a few couples like that at my school. Maybe you're different irl, but I think you're pretty funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 01:16 AM
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And what, a man can't be raped by a woman he finds attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 01:13 AM
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My reaction would depend on his actual attitude about women, regardless of what he's read. If he's a decent human who can manage to take the good and leave the wailing, woe is me misogyny behind, then cool. I'm here, too, after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 10:41 PM
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24 weeks is the commonly accepted medical limit of viability. Fetuses at that gestational age have about a 50% chance of survival if they're born pre-term. Fetuses born prior to 24 weeks most often do not survive. And even those that do survive at 24 weeks are highly susceptible to severe complications. I think it's fair to take that medical consensus into consideration when discussing abortion. The 14 day legal limit for gestational experimentation was set in the 1980's, and there has been a go…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 10:15 PM
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That doesn't make logical sense to me. Why should we treat a zygote or fetus any differently than an egg or sperm until it can survive on it's own?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 09:43 PM
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Right, that is also what I'm talking about. There is no justification of murder in arguing that terminating an unviable fetus can spare the fetus (once it is viable) from difficult circumstances. Nor in arguing that terminating an unviable fetus can spare humans that are already living from difficult circumstances. Your argument doesn't make sense to me because we don't terminate life in utero. We terminate a mass of cells that cannot live on its own. This is why abortion is banned after the lim…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 09:24 PM
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This has already been decided. 24 weeks gestation is the commonly accepted point of fetal viability. Some states restrict abortions up to 22 weeks, but the vast majority of women who obtain abortions do so long before that point. It is interesting to me that a person cannot be compelled to donate blood or an organ to another human, but they can be compelled to house and grow another human (read: actually viable fetus) inside their bodies. By this logic, should we not also legally require organ/b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 09:15 PM
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What if I do support your right to choose? Why wallow in spite when you encounter resistance to a movement you believe in. (Legal paternal surrender, I assume.) The women's movement began in the 1840's and came up against tons of resistance for sixty-ish years before they obtained the right to vote. Men who want to expand their own rights can very well fight the same battle. There are people who agree with you. Why not try to change other people's minds in a positive way?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 09:03 PM
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This, once again, comes down to whether or not one believes a fetus that is incapable of surviving outside the womb is actually a living being. If you believe it is, your argument makes sense. I personally do not, so your argument contains a sizeable logic jump from my perspective. One can point out that poor peoples' quality of life could improve if they waited to have children until they were ready without suggesting that their lives are not worth living.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 08:59 PM
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Ah, my bad. There was significant discussion on the post I was talking about. Didn't realize it was taken down after that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 08:48 PM
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You made this exact same argument here, word for word, maybe a month back. Possibly under a different username, I can't remember.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 07:31 PM
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Yes, because human emotions are always intellectually consistent, black and white and easy to digest. :/ There is a huge difference between a fetus that is not wanted and/or cannot be adequately cared for and a fetus that is wanted. People are sad when they lose out on something they wanted. Why would anyone cry for losing something they didn't want? That being said, many women who get abortions also feel sad about it. Maybe they wanted the baby, but had no way to care for it or pay for the cost…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 06:55 PM
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One can easily take a look at stats on teen pregnancies, single-mother homes, drug use, education and poverty in the highly religious southern states and discount your hypothesis. Religion and the "fear of god" may work for some, but not for most people. Teens rebel and "run head first into the new culture" because that's how they're wired. Their hormones and not yet fully developed brains make them to do stupid shit, sometimes purely as a fuck you to their parents. This is generally how it is u…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 05:19 AM
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Japanese maple.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 04:06 AM
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Absolutely. No matter how we plan, these medical issues still take a toll, both personally and financially. Individual people are best served to make decisions based on their own values and priorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 03:52 PM
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We have a bit of leeway here because we don't live in a community property state. Unless he passes away, we divorce or I sign for his credit or medical expenses, I'm supposedly not legally responsible for his bills. This can get tricky when it comes to emergency medical expenses, as I could have to sign for his care. This is one reason we intend to keep decent health and life insurance, a health savings account and separate bank accounts (aside from the joint account we both pay into for joint b…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 02:45 PM
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I believe that sexual orientation is a spectrum, so people who exist at the far ends of the spectrum could be somewhat rare. I agree with you there. I also agree that women are allowed to express interest in other women to a much greater degree without social consequences, though that is slowly changing. Men could be trying to make up for bisexual urges via extra masculine behavior, but I'm not sure that's the norm. I figure ultra-masculine behavior is more often the result of high testosterone,…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 01:55 PM
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Do you believe that women are more heterosexual on average because they typically cite attraction to a man's whole being instead of his genitals?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 01:24 PM
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Yes. Anyone who puts anyone on a pedestal in such a way is making a mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 01:20 PM
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There are other ways to do this, but the final straw that motivated us to obtain a marriage license was his health. He was going through a period of increased seizure activity and we wanted me to be able to care for/make decisions for him if he became incapacitated. His only other living family is his autistic brother, and we weren't certain he would be able to interact with doctors. This also allowed me to take FMLA for him. I would have either lost my job or been unable to care for him during …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 01:11 PM
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Sexual abuse is an entirely different topic from bullying.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 09:35 PM
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Oh, I see. That's sort of an odd comparison. In the sense that lasting effects for boys are more likely to take the form of violence toward other people, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 09:26 PM
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I don't know if I'm getting your point here. You specified in the girl's example that the guy tricked her into "falling in love", but that was not the case with your boy example. That is why I figured the girl would be more hurt. Boys are much more likely to be physically beaten by bullies than girls are and to a much greater extent. Is that your point? The genders react differently to bullying and they are targeted for different types of bullying in the first place. I don't agree that it is eas…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 09:17 PM
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A person's ability to cope with and move on from bullying has more to do with their personal resilience and self esteem than their gender. Boys are physically bullied more than girls, if that's what you mean. Of your given examples, I think the girl would be more hurt, but I'm not sure if that's what you were going for.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 09:05 PM
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Do you find your partner physically sexy? Importantly: did you find him physically attractive when you first saw him, or did he grow on you over time? I thought he was sexy long before we actually started dating. We met at work, then met back up a few years later and he was still just as sexy. My attraction to him has grown since then to be more intimate, but the physical aspect of it is still there. Do you ever wish your partner would put more effort into their appearance, ie, working out or gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/17 06:27 PM
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Done. This is much more complicated than denying one's spouse some fun money. You're grossly oversimplifying the concept of excessive control and misuse of another person's funds/earning potential to try and make your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 07:50 PM
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What? How do you mean it's considered abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 07:32 PM
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What? What does pooling sexual resources even mean? Having the option to say no (to sex or, idk, paying for stuff) does not imply a lack of pooling. Also, what if it's the man who decides he doesn't want sex? Maybe he's depressed, sick or otherwise disinterested. Must he then pay his wife or allow her to seek sex elsewhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 07:30 PM
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being sexless feels a lot better with an extra $100 in your pocket. I guess? As Atlas pointed out, "paying" one's spouse doesn't mean much if both spouses are contributing to household expenses or otherwise pooling resources. I mean, unless it comes out of some kind of fun money budget. And anyway, if you want a woman who will always give you sex on demand no matter what, marry a fundie. The sex might not be any good, she'll likely resent you and you'll end up with too many kids, but you'll get …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 06:16 PM
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Is it really worth it to pursue casual sex every time one's spouse isn't feeling it? Dead bedroom: I get it. Spouse has the flu: Seems like a lot of extra work for extramarital sex that isn't even guaranteed to happen. If anything, married men have an even harder time getting casual sex than single men. My marriage is non-monogamous; it pretty much only works with long term FWB. And they still require a fair amount of work to maintain. Also, how does money compensate a man when what he actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 06:02 PM
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Well there you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 05:49 PM
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Agreed. He's operating from the assumption that spouses in his scenario don't pool their resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 05:47 PM
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If your goal is to disincentivize marriage in the west, this would be a solid step to take.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 05:18 PM
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So are you asking for examples of how/why women achieve intimacy through means other than sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 04:40 AM
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What is your level in this context? And how do you treat them like children? No judgement, I'm legitimately curious about how this works.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 02:59 PM
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I wouldn't want a polygamous marriage. That would be too much work and too difficult given the social stigma and potential for harem-esque rivalry. I can't imagine trying to manage a household with a bunch of other women and children, either. I'm fine with polyamory within my marriage, though. It requires much less work, no additional cohabiting, keeps the sex interesting and can be kept on the DL.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/17 06:02 PM
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Could you flesh your argument out more? What changes in law are proposing and how would you like to see them enforced?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/17 03:12 PM
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What should happen if the man wants the child? Or wanted it until it was two and then decided to split?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/17 02:07 PM
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Correct, non-custodial parents' contributions are not meant to cover the full cost of raising a child. It's also worth mentioning that, in most states, custodial parents are required to file for child support before they can be approved for any governmental assistance. I am very well aware of how child support often plays out, as my husband currently pays it to a woman who does basically what you've laid out here. He makes just about what you've mentioned as well. Regardless of the fact that she…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 09:31 PM
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Maybe in wealthy circles. The vast majority of people in general, and especially single mothers, are working class. The money many of these women receive in child support would not cover daycare, let alone a nanny. Not to downplay the financial burden that support places on men, it's just true. The average monthly support payment per child is $430, and the average cost of daycare is between $733 and $921 a month depending on the age of the child and geographical area. $430 is a significant chunk…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 08:06 PM
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suffer 0% of the consequences Actually raising a child is not a consequence of pregnancy? Man pays money, woman does literally everything else, every day, assuming the man doesn't want the child. I am in favor of the idea of legal paternal surrender during the same time frame that abortion is available. I am also in favor of safety nets to care for the children that men don't want and whose mothers cannot care for them, as well as other significant reforms to child support and custody law to hel…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 07:28 PM
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The source for this is a tabloid, but ok. I don't have a backup at this point in my life. The closest I think I've gotten to having a backup was an ex that it took me years to fully get over. Strike that. I did have a situation like this when I was in highschool. Not sure if pre-adulthood instances count. It wouldn't surprise me if a fair number of women think like this. I figure it's equivalent to men who keep in touch with old fwb/gfs/plates to either cheat with or keep on standby should their…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/17 04:24 AM
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Excuse my use of the word preferred, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 06:05 PM
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While the victims of trafficking in Thailand may be primarily migrant, it is still reasonable to be concerned about the prevalence of trafficked sex workers in the country, given the well documented history of the issue. Check out the country's data on the global slavery index if you're curious. https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/country/thailand/ I'm confused about who you think suggested the Thai citizenry willingly turns a blind eye to this issue and/or is evil. No one is saying or even imply…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 05:39 PM
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As of July of this year: More than 60 people were sentenced to jail by a Bangkok court on Wednesday in the largest human trafficking trial in Thailand’s history. Among those convicted is former army general Manas Kongpan, who was sentenced to 27 years for trafficking and organized transnational crime. The Thai newspaper The Nation reports that convictions for senior officials are “extremely rare” in Thailand, which is controlled by the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO), a military junt…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 03:31 PM
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The mechanics and psychology of the female orgasm can be very complicated and differ greatly from woman to woman. It makes sense that an ONS would have a harder time bringing a woman to orgasm than an LTR who knows exactly what she likes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 06:41 PM
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A. Men would love to be more promiscuous. They just have less opportunity for casual sex than women by fact of nature. B. The women who tell you they don't enjoy casual sex are probably not the ones banging club Chads every weekend. They may have tried casual sex a few times, decided it sucked and then gone on with their lives. C. The women who are promiscuous obviously do get something out of it, or they wouldn't do it. It doesn't even just have to be physical pleasure. Plenty of women get off …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 06:36 PM
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There's still the risk of being married to a man who suddenly has a child with some strange woman. Surprise! Or a man who has a second family on the DL. Not the same as being duped into being a father, absolutely, but it cannot be stated that there is no risk of pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 06:01 PM
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One would need to use a weapon pretty quickly in order to avoid being disarmed by someone physically stronger. Not to mention the people who experience sexual misconduct/abuse before they reach adulthood. I imagine experiences like that fuel a fair number of the #metoo posts, given how common they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/17 10:16 PM
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It's generally frowned upon to mace a friend or family member. Especially since other friends or family members may very well disbelieve you. Uncle Bill is a great guy, after all. He would never do something like that. You also probably should not mace a teacher, boss, coworker or peer if they are trying to sexually assault you. It's illegal to physically assault another person like that, and there's likely to be no proof of whatever they did to deserve it. Thus you might lose your job, be expel…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/17 09:32 PM
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This article is from the daily mail, lists one unofficial source (onepoll.com) and only talks about how supposedly 50% of women keep men on the back burner in case their marriages fail. It mentions nothing about rates of infidelity at all. Aside from the fact that this data is laughably unreliable, what does it have to do with unknowingly raising another person's child? I don't disagree that lots of people, men and women, have backup plans in case their marriages fail. It just seems unrelated to…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/17 05:58 PM
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I dunno, if a woman conceives a child while cheating on her spouse/partner, he at the very least deserves to know all the facts so that he can decide for himself how to handle the situation. I mean, we don't expect the wives of men who have extramarital children to parent/support those kids, so why should we place that expectation on men? There are a great number of women who raise their children without fathers, and these women would just end up in the same situation due to the choices they mad…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/17 02:20 PM
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Influence public opinion and hopefully keep him from being elected. We'll see if it worked today. What else are you looking for? I figured that was implied in my last response. This strategy didn't work with Trump, but feminists have managed to influence both the legal system and the private sector via this method successfully in the past, as so many people in the manosphere constantly point out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/17 01:48 PM
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Individual feminists (and anyone with a conscience really) can say "it's fucked up to elect a grown ass person who chases 15 year olds to public office, we shouldn't vote for him."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/17 03:18 AM
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May I ask how you linked women labelling men as creepy and the #metoo posts? I got the impression that those posts were meant to represent instances of legitimate sexual misconduct, though I admittedly haven't read very many detailed descriptions from people who posted. The stories I have read did at the very least include uninvited groping (on the subway) or stalking. I did see several of my male friends posting as well. I found it sad that so many men were shut out of the movement. Do you beli…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 09:57 PM
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I smile and nod at everyone I make eye contact with as well as most people I come into close quarters with. I also say "excuse me" or "thank you" depending on the situation. That's just polite. I might offer a quick compliment if I like the person's outfit or hair or something, too. But that's about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 09:42 PM
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There's a huge difference between simply glancing at someone's body and failing to make eye contact during a non-sexual interaction because you're too busy checking out the goods. The former is not creepy and is normal behavior for both sexes, but especially men. People who get upset over this are likely naive. The latter is understandably creepy, provided it is in a non-sexual context. The person in scenario B is free to point their eyes wherever they like, but they're not free from any social …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 09:23 PM
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Female friendly media was also scarce when the women's movement started. It was popularly mocked and shamed at its inception and on for over a hundred years before popular opinion began to really change. That's based on the time between the first women's conference in 1848 to the popularization of second wave feminism in the 60's, if you're curious. They managed to get where they are now via persistence and effort at both the social and legal level. It just took time. Men who are concerned about…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 04:59 PM
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This sort of thing is what fuels the internet concept of the "nice guy." I appreciate your point, there's no reason to apologize for something that wasn't wrong in the first place. The man is likely to be "shit talked" as a creep if he's too insistent or as a "nice guy"/jerk if he responds with a fuck you. I think your suggestion to just walk away might be the best option if a man wants the highest chance to avoid damaging his reputation (among local women, anyway) without apologizing. Not sayin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 03:55 PM
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I agree that the word "submissive" carries a great deal of baggage that I'm not interested in. I'm more concerned with baggage pertaining to the concept of the submissive wife than the submissive sexual partner, personally. I am a millennial and I'm purple leaning blue. I trust my husband to keep my needs and desires in mind in the same way I keep his, so I'm willing to submit, for lack of a better term, in the following ways: Take it easy on his ego when necessary. He doesn't need to be told ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 02:13 PM
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I didn't realize 60% of men choosing to have nothing to do with women meant 60% of men checking out of society completely. Wtf are they doing all day? Are we talking full NEET status? That many people neeting would wreck society, but not because women can't or won't do infrastructure maintenance. I imagine we would see another Rosie The Riveter-esque push, but it would look more like Polly The Programmer, Connie the Construction Worker, Ellen the Engineer, etc. While women may prefer other lines…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/17 03:27 AM
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Sure. There's a good deal of overlap in what progressives and conservatives view as good spousal qualities. The primary difference in values exists in the rigidity or fluidity of the gender roles. Progressives generally value having a choice wrt their role, whether they desire the traditional set up or not. Conservatives value tradition and/or their concepts of gendered nature moreso than choice. That is my impression, at least. Most people, regardless of philosophical affiliation, desire to hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 08:38 PM
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That's interesting to me. I wouldn't equate expressing a personal opinion on what it means to be a good wife (or refusing to assume about the opinions of others) when presented with that question with being a special snowflake. I get your point, though. You're trying to avoid ending up with a self-absorbed SJW/liberal, more or less, but you don't believe you can trust anything a woman tells you up front, so you ask these odd sideways questions and then extrapolate to the best of your ability. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 07:49 PM
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I see. So you believe that a woman who does not willingly describe the cultural norm of "the good wife" to you when presented with this question is not worth consideration because she may not be interested in enthusiastically adhering to that cultural norm. I suppose a woman who enthusiastically adheres to her own definition of a "good wife" or "good spouse" may not be worth consideration for a man interested in having a culturally normal wife. Or a wife who prefers to express her own views, any…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 07:27 PM
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I did read it. I was stating my understanding of it in my last comment. You mined the useless data (thereby making it useful?) and reached the conclusions I stated in my last comment. Is that correct? The reasoning given in your TRP post to support your conclusions doesn't make sense to me. There are too many variables outside of your question for it to be a useful tool in this manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 06:59 PM
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Let me see if I understand this correctly. You're attempting to use this question as a tool to sort women who are willing to answer in a manner completely absent any personal values from those who are not. Women who do answer it in this way are worth consideration for more than a plate because they are willing to describe cultural norms without interjecting their own values. Why? Women who don't answer in this way are not to be considered for more than a plate because they are what? Self absorbe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 06:38 PM
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Your TRP post confirms that you believe the women who don't want to assume what other people's opinions are to be solipsistic. Once again, I believe that is a false conclusion for the reasons I gave in my last post. Your questions are not designed to avoid assumption or statistical examination, they require them to answer in a way you deem correct. This is why I based my answer to your thread yesterday on global population, religious observance and my own knowledge of common religious values reg…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 04:58 PM
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Huh, ok. Do you plan to poll groups other than BP women on these questions? That may be why this question comes off as a gotcha attempt more than anything. What would you say you've primarily learned from the answers you've received? I've seen you propose that these individual answers are solipsistic, but I don't believe that's accurate. These people are aware that the majority of women may have different opinions from their own. Thus they are aware that thoughts outside of their own minds do su…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 04:26 PM
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Exhibiting petty/catty/dramatic behavior, even if our hypothetical every woman does the same. Sense of style and personal grooming. Is X woman dressed and made up appropriately for Y situation/season/ social standard/personal standard. Social skills and social standing. At least this is what I observe. Why are you so concerned with how people answer? It comes off as though you're looking for a very particular answer, possibly as a gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 03:40 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_(United_Nations) Given that so many of the most populated countries in the world are highly religiously/philosophically conservative with high rates of religious participation, I imagine "most women" globally believe a good wife to have whatever qualities their religions/philosophical frameworks ascribe to that role. These typically include obedience, submissiveness, gentleness, concern for the home and family, modest but also aesth…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 09:49 PM
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Your denomination is pretty progressive, then. What region of the country are you from? The people around here (the south) tend to take passages like that very literally. Theocracies and highly religious societies were and are often observably unkind to women or anyone, really, who doesn't conform. It hardly inspires confidence in religious societal structures or their ability to heal gender relations.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 12:35 AM
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Mental stability, for one. There are, unfortunately, a lot of unstable people in the community who are looking for either attention, drama or someone to take advantage of. It's best to weed them out. There's also intention, whether the person is looking for a relationship or something casual. Attraction, obviously. Lifestyle and compatibility. Essentially everything you would vet a monogamous partner for minus the desire for serious commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/17 06:30 PM
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An honest open arrangement works for us. We were open from the very first day we dated and have kept it that way into our marriage. The honesty, freedom and trust are good for us, but I understand how most people wouldn't see it that way. I think that it's completely normal for humans to be sexually attracted to many people and that there's no reason to be jealous about it or restrict basic sexual expression. Provided proper protection and vetting are employed, anyway. One quirk of our situation…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/17 06:20 PM
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This stance seems more spiteful than efficient. I agree with you on pretty much every men's issue you've laid out here, but turning hard right definitely won't help men in their quest for choice regarding paternity. The libertarians might agree with you, but the primary right base is all about god and family and children. At least they proclaim to be. Knock a girl up? Better marry her! Don't marry her? You'd best pay for that child, son. Etc. Etc. My husband's ex is one of those who fully believ…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/17 03:42 PM
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I've been there as well. I supported us once when my husband was suicidally depressed, and once again when he was hospitalized and out of work due to a violent illness fairly recently. It wasn't easy, as neither of us make enough to support our family comfortably by ourselves, but we made it. We're still married, I still love the guy and the sex didn't even dry up. Except for when his depression and illness stole his libido, I guess. Amazingly, neither of us died from the lack of sex. I made a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 09:44 PM
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Number two is pretty extreme. You sure about that one?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 09:28 PM
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Why are you responding to me with something I've already told you I believe is a false equivalency? And ignoring the fact that most women also work outside the home, yes, even when they are depressed. Let's just agree to disagree, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 09:15 PM
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Are you unaware of the hormonal changes that accompany childbirth and breastfeeding? No, she's not physically incapable of doing any sexual favors, period. Yes, women generally do not want sex until nursing is complete. No, she is not obligated via her marriage contract to fuck her husband while her body is flooded with hormones that demand she not fuck anybody, including Chad. Let alone the exhaustion or the overload that comes with constant physical touch. She's put her body through the ringer…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 07:23 PM
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This is the strawman that's always constructed. ... That is literally the situation you replied to. Her husband suggested she have sex when she didn't want to, she acquiesced, and he was disappointed when she wasn't enthusiastic. You recreated the post when you flipped it to your depressed man example and even changed "disappointed" to "acted like a bitch." If this is not what you're talking about, maybe you should find a post that actually demonstrates what you're complaining about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 06:57 PM
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Good to know that every celibate man in existence is actually dead. Incels, priests, monks, asexuals, the lot of them. Perhaps people who have died of starvation, disease and exposure can commiserate with them. Regardless, I see more issue with the poor attitudes of the spouses receiving the favors than anything. A man doesn't get any sex for a year after his child is born while his wife breastfeeds? I can be sympathetic to his frustration. A man gets sex, doesn't give a flying fuck about his wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 06:15 PM
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You're making a false equivalency here. A family needs money for basic survival. Food, shelter, etc. And many women also work outside of the home to provide for their families. Shocking, right? Sex is not needed for basic survival. It's needed for intimacy and self esteem and happiness, but not basic survival. Our hypothetical man does get a means for survival from working when he doesn't want to. The man in the original example also got a healthy child out of his wife's pregnancy, childbirth, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 05:58 PM
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Perhaps more people have been through hardships than you realize? Most people don't advertise the lowest points of their lives everywhere they go, so it can be an easy thing to miss. There's hardly a person on the planet who hasn't been through a trial or tribulation of some kind. Anyway, I don't get the sense that you have a poor opinion of women at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 04:55 PM
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This is totally fair and in line with what many people of both sexes experience and expect. Do you think other comments you've made have been perceived as "negative toward women" here?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 04:34 PM
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That's fair enough. I would argue that the reaction of applying negative experiences to the whole of the opposite sex is unnecessary, irrational and harmful. Doesn't stop most people, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 04:22 PM
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This woman did have sex with her man. He got pissy because her body isn't wired to enjoy sex after birth or during breastfeeding. She said her libido and ability to orgasm returned three days after she stopped breastfeeding. Apparently she was tearing his clothes off. Hardly seems like a malicious, ungrateful or selfish denial of his needs to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 03:24 PM
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Lol! At least you've got good humor.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 03:13 PM
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Your complaint holds much more water for women who are not recently postpartum. Are you aware of how breastfeeding impacts female sexual hormones and desire? The combination of lower estrogen and testosterone plus higher prolactin leads to a completely diminished sex drive for many women until they stop breastfeeding and their libido returns. Much like what this woman said happened. This makes sense from a biological standpoint. A newborn's chances of surivial are much higher if they have their …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 03:01 PM
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I don't think you ever been to a church, only male sexuality is shamed Many churches assume that women are either pure asexual creatures, or whores. There is no in between. The latter category is what is shamed, and it is shamed pretty mercilessly. Women sinfully lead men astray and go to hell for being loose. Whereas men can't help but succumb to feminine temptation, so they're never really to blame for any sexual indiscretions. Eve ate the apple and tempted Adam, blah blah blah. I'm not sure w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 02:29 AM
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Do marriages not count as relationships in your purview? Dating down "income wise" means pursuing a relationship/intimacy with someone who earns less than you, doesn't it? Yes, some women "date down." Perhaps most sweet young thangs don't, but approximately a quarter of married women either choose to marry a lower earner or at least continue to be married to one. Have you never observed a deadbeat boyfriend? He's that dude who can't hold down a job, but always manages to find some woman to shack…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/17 04:55 AM
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Sure. For all you know, though, those women have always made more. If the men in those relationships are self selecting like the article suggests, I would argue that's the more likely option. Point is, it's happening. Increased stress on female breadwinners is fair enough. Men have clearly been stressed in that role for a long while. My hope is that the roles of caregiver and breadwinner will equalize within the next few generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/17 02:27 AM
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The responses reveal that as wives’ economic contribution to the household grows—on average, women in dual-earner households now bring in about half of the family income and nearly a quarter of wives earn more than their husbands —every aspect of couples’ lives together is affected. http://time.com/money/2791658/couples-marriage-money-survey-female-breadwinners/ As of 2014, nearly a quarter of women participating in this survey, at least, had decided to "date down" and marry/continue to be marri…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 06:36 PM
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I don't understand why money equates to appreciation in your world view. There are numerous ways to demonstrate appreciation aside from doling out tips... I would be offended if my husband started tipping me for sex and I imagine he would be equally bewildered if the roles were reversed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 11:36 PM
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What does men being willing to date/marry women they don't respect have to do with feminism? This is a behavior that was exhibited by men long before the advent of feminism. It's a behavior exhibited and promoted by some red pillers, too. They want women to respect them, but many of them don't believe women are capable of being respectable. This just seems like a statement of the obvious to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 01:45 PM
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Unfeminine may not have been the right word. I probably should have stopped at gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/17 04:49 PM
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I likely can't and don't ever want to birth any children of my own. I married a man who already has a daughter that he keeps on the weekends, so I get much of the experience with different draw backs than if I were her biological mom. Being a step-mom is sort of an odd step between aunt and mother. I love her and I'm one of her primary care-takers even on days we don't keep her, but discipline and other important decisions are almost completely out of my hands. That's how it should be, and I thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 08:03 PM
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Huh, ok then. I take no pleasure in antagonizing people, so I can't relate. Your last two points are reasonable enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 07:18 PM
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Children are the strongest bond you can have with a person you are not related to. This may be true, but many parents go on to despise each other after their kids are born. Want to talk about dead bedrooms and starfish sex? New moms do not want sex. It can take months to years for a woman's sex drive to come back after childbirth thanks to a whole host of biological and psychological factors. If it comes back at all. Having children also drastically changes the dynamics of romantic relationships…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 06:47 PM
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Men want to feel sexy too Yes, they do. Why is this a CMV? Everyone wants to be validated. I can't imagine why that would be hard to grasp. I can see why a woman might not know to compliment a man in a way specifically geared to attributes he values, though, given the complexity of sexuality and gender issues in modern society. The person who mentioned letting men open jars is pretty spot on. It's not hard at all to find small opportunities like that. (There's a whole episode of Curb Your Enthus…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 04:36 PM
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Oh neat, I didn't know that. That was a smart move on Google's part. The searches I used did bring up several articles about how to help men/boyfriends/husbands with depression, though. This suggests to me that people are searching for this information, even if the men themselves aren't writing about their personal experiences. I've found myself in this situation and googled those phrases before. It was nice to get some practical ideas of what to do specifically for a man, as my husband didn't r…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 01:51 PM
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Google is a keyword search engine, so your phrasing may be throwing you off. Googling "helping boyfriend through depression" or "help husband with depression" brings up plenty of results centered around men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/17 10:28 PM
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Ah, I appreciate your explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/17 08:02 PM
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I was looking forward to your response to the other poster's assertion that women overwhelmingly take part in jobs/positions requiring empathy like social work, nursing, mental healthcare and volunteer organizations that serve men. You didn't address it, though. Nor did you address the rest of my post. Are you agreeing that men don't have an inborn desire to make all women everywhere feel good, or are you saying that they're ignoring it because women are big ol' meanies?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/17 07:48 PM
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I'm not convinced that protective instinct applies to random strange women. Family and friends, sure. Moments of heroic adrenaline fueled action, sure. Most men are instinctually driven to protect their tribes. I would argue that women do have "I want him to feel better" instincts for men in their tribe. They may be more rooted in a desire to nurture rather than protect, but they are still there. Anyway, I would assume that a man attempting to cheer up an unknown miserable woman would only do so…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/17 07:11 PM
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I had a period where I might have considered myself a slight androphobe as a result of some unfortunate childhood experiences. I was uncomfortable in public, period, but especially around men I didn't know. I didn't feel hatred or malice toward them, but I was definitely afraid. Anyway, I got over that for the most part via a combo of exposure and therapy as a young adult. I still don't care for crowds, but I'm not in panic mode every time I leave the house and new men don't frighten me the way …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/17 11:59 AM
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I'm a woman married to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 04:14 PM
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I have a hard time finding anyone I'm interested in or willing to put the time into. I dated a woman for a little while closer to the beginning of our relationship and talked with others more during that time as well. I just don't have any interest in secondary partners at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 11:05 AM
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Open. My marriage is technically open for both of us, but I almost never seek other partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 01:25 AM
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I'm not sure if we can really answer this. Humanity sans sexual reproduction would have evolved entirely differently. Would men have the same levels of testosterone if they hadn't evolved to protect child bearers/children from predators? If not, what would their hormonal makeup look like? Would they also have higher levels of estrogen in order to care for the asexually reproduced younglings? Maybe they would leave the young to their own devices, who knows? It's fun to think about. I suppose my a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 02:50 PM
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I agree with you. These people are typically coming from a defensive position, though. They feel better about themselves and their situation by characterizing that 50% of the population as inherently bad or less than.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 01:59 PM
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I don't imagine the AWALT/AMALT crowd cares if their attitude stifles sympathy, as they don't believe the other sex is capable of sympathy in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 01:03 PM
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Would receiving pity sex really make a man happy, though? It seems like it would be an extra punch to the ego to me. The woman would surely have to fake wanting it and then risk the man developing a preoccupation with her. Then she would have to reject him emotionally and, again, nail him right in the ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 11:48 AM
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That is sometimes easier said than done, especially with men who have low self esteem, but it's fair enough. Better to be potentially hurtful than complacent.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 05:57 PM
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What actions do you propose women take in order to empathize with men who can't get sex? Personally, I feel for the men who find themselves in this predicament and I recognize the host of issues lack of sex/intimacy can cause, but I'm not going to fuck someone I have no sexual interest in. I'm generally in favor of legalizing prostitution and I try to associate politely with everyone I meet. These men typically don't want my friendship unless it involves sex, so I'm not sure what else I can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 04:06 PM
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I'll agree with you to a certain extent here. There appears to be a shocking number of women who still believe that a man should sweep them off their feet and cater to their desires entirely, or he's not "the one." Whatever that even means. This is a bizarre mixture of the traditional female role and the individualistic society U. S. citizens, at least, find ourselves in. I'm not sure how much of that is real life and how much is inflated by popular media. Nor how much popular media may influenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 09:26 AM
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Many of the men who have substance abuse issues are in that predicament precisely because they are depressed and anxious. Their substance of choice is just how they choose to deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 08:10 PM
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I think the people who complain about this in good faith are more bothered by the sense of ownership and subjugation implied by the conquest attitude more than anything else. The feminist movement generally aims to change stereotypes from "men get sex from women" to "women are active participants in sex" and "women should submit to men" to "women are equal partners", etc. etc. And no, I'm not including the radical, misandrist, lesbian separatist tumblrites here. Feminists often believe that chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 05:24 PM
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I slept with several boyfriends/girlfriends before marriage, had a few FWB and one ONS. I guess that constitutes sleeping around. I learned a great deal about sex, what I like, how to read sexual body language and whatnot. I observed many of the hang ups and misgivings people build up around sex, as well as how it can be used as an emotional crutch or turn into a mechanism of addiction and/or control for both sexes. There was a period where my sexual habits were unhealthy, but I managed to get o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 02:40 PM
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Great wailing and gnashing of teeth. Ha! I like you. I don't see women here promoting our gender as pure angelic beings. I see women confirming that they select for what TRP would call beta characteristics. Most women are focused on relationships over casual sex, so this makes sense. Your idea of success is lots of pussy and our idea of success is a stable relationship/life. I see what you're talking about happening in groups of people I know, but I observe that the women in those situations are…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/17 01:14 AM
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They get what the want until they end up in prison, dead or chained to child support payments every month with a kid they don't want and a baby mama they hate. Admittedly, I'm coming at this from a pretty prole perspective. I do see your point, though. Some of those guys end up successful in areas of their life other than sex as well. Douchey guys who can manage to keep their shit together make good salesmen and whatnot.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/17 11:56 PM
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I'm of the opinion that most people are less than stellar in one way or another. And again, this is what I've observed in my own life. The women who end up with dark triad "boyfriends" are generally the ones with poor self esteem who seek attention and then lambaste said boyfriends once they dip out on them/their kids. My point was that I wouldn't necessarily call being a manipulative, irresponsible person success even if it got me lots of sex. I realize that's my own female perspective, though.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/17 10:48 PM
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Nah, It's only what I've observed in my own experience. I mentioned that shitty men also have lots of luck with easily manipulated women. Some of the decent women you're familiar with may have some characteristics (that you may or may not be aware of) that put them in that category.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/17 08:59 PM
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I suppose it depends on what your idea of success is. These less than decent men are typically successful with less than decent women, or at least women who are easily manipulated.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/17 04:32 PM
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I've been aroused by guys' butts before, but they were typically more shapely than "bubble." My reaction to man butt isn't nearly as visceral as it is to lady butt, but I'm not sure if that's a matter of socialization or what. Anyway, it's not a deal breaker either way. More like a happy plus.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/17 01:20 AM
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I don't believe I have the right tools at my disposal to advise him on much in regard to male sexuality/dating beyond the basic fact that condoms are life shatteringly important. If male hormonal birth control were available by that time, I would talk with him about it the same way I would with a daughter. I would probably encourage him to get involved in one or another male spaces with role models I was impressed with. A martial art would be good. I would also probably encourage my brother to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 10:08 PM
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And no one has ever hamstered about men cheating? Our whole culture is obsessed with monogamy and infidelity. Here are a few links I found via a cursory Google search where people hamster about male infidelity. The first one is even by a female huffpost contributor. Shocking. In his study of 120 undergraduate men, 78 percent of those who had a partner cheated, “even though they said that they loved and intended to stay with their partner.” Contrary to what we may think, most men aren’t cheating …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 12:35 AM
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Humans all desperately need to belong in groups. Some people do this via astrology, others do it via systems like MBTI (like several of the people here) and still others do it via religion or friendships formed around common interests like politics, hunting, sports, crafting or music. Men often desire to be leaders or winners moreso than women, but their desire to be part of a social group is there all the same. It's not dirty, just human. People who fail at these endeavors often seem to find th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 01:35 PM
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All you've done is avoid my question by saying it doesn't apply to you, you wouldn't care or by twisting the meaning around to something flattering. That's fine, I suppose, but it seems silly to open a topic for debate and then be intentionally obscure in your discourse. Of course I realize that not every action is directly respectful or disrespectful. I was challenging the premise of your OP, which involved respect, and it devolved into whatever this is. The concept "women are children" is obje…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 02:45 AM
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I think we're talking past each other at this point. I didn't ask if you would feel flattered or if you would care. I asked if you would feel respected. It was a very straightforward question that you did not directly answer. What makes you think I'm not? Because you somehow turn these obviously negative beliefs into a form of respect. Having lower expectations for a person does not equate to respecting them. If anything, I believe this demonstrates a serious lack of respect. You have low expect…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 07:56 PM
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Jennifer Doudna created crispr gene editing, for one. Crazy, right? She may end up having more of an impact on our species than any single person in history. We're all aware that men are more variable to either end of the IQ spectrum than women. Why do men always leave out the low end when speaking about this issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 07:29 PM
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So you would be flattered if women regarded you the way TRP regards women... Ok then. The latter example I gave you was not a hypothetical. That is how much of the core TRP information regarding "women are children" goes, but reversed. You don't appear to be aware of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 06:49 PM
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What? That's not what I asked. This is not a situation I find myself in. I was giving you an example of the things TRP says about women (which you claim foster respect) and asking if you would feel respected if someone said them about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 06:26 PM
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I'm not talking about women saying things like"he's so child-like and carefree" swoon. I mean something like "he's a selfish, manipulative man child who can't be trusted to make good decisions or control himself, so I have to be his mommy." This latter example is the one generally applied to women by TRP. You would interpret that as flattering and/or respectful?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 06:03 PM
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You're correct in that the explanation is there. I think much of the outrage TRP gets is in response to both the headline and the why behind it, though. The sidebar article I spoke about earlier is legitimately worthy of criticism, yet it's still recommended reading for all red newbies. As are a number of other sidebar articles that work off of this concept with equally (if hyperbolic) condescending/patronizing messages. It's not just the headlines that spark bloops into outrage. Much of the con…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 05:31 PM
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This person is making excuses for their poor behavior and lack of self control. In this case, that advice definitely applies. I have to do a lot of the same damage control when my husband loses his shit, but it's not quite as bad as this woman illustrates.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 01:37 PM
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The explanation that is given in the sidebar, based on Schopenhauer's 1850's nonsense about women failing to mature past the age of eighteen as a result of their biological destiny as the caretakers of children, is flawed and obviously not about something as benign as removing women from a pedestal. Is that what you're talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 01:13 PM
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Do you feel respected when you hear women referring to men as children? (That happens all the time, btw.) Is it respectful that a woman who views her husband as a child might expect less from him than a woman who views her husband as a fully functional adult? If those things don't make you feel respected, why would they make the average woman feel differently? In the same way that a woman who views her husband as a child will likely stop having sex with him, a man who views his wife as a child w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/17 11:48 AM
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Once. I was eighteen, it was a thrill and the guy was cute. I can't imagine being in a situation where it would seem like a good idea anymore, as I'm not so young and not so interested in cheap thrills.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 07:20 PM
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Can't men share too? Men generally don't want to share. I mean, women don't either, but men are less likely to do so. Female harems are a thing, but there isn't really a male equivalent. Even very powerful women don't typically keep throngs of male lovers all at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 04:40 PM
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That point went well over your head. To spell it out, lots of married women use birth control. It's not just a thing for "whores." BC helps keep families stable by reducing unplanned pregnancies, thus keeping costs for employers that would be obligated to pay for maternity/dependent care and premiums down. The benefits of reducing costs for unplanned pregnancies far outweigh the cost of birth control on employer, insurer, governmental and tax-payer levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 11:37 AM
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Pregnancy is not a life choice, sex is. As are overeating, smoking, and extreme sports. Health insurance still covers health related risks associated with those activities, why shouldn't it do the same for pregnancy? I understand why someone would be against the employer mandate, but not why anyone would look at pregnancy differently than other lifestyle related health conditions. Plus, there's most likely a child the company has to pay premiums for after pregnancy occurs.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 12:52 AM
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My employer has separate penalties for smoking, BMI, high blood pressure and high blood glucose. You can avoid them by either meeting goals for them or completing classes if you're medically unable. Works for me. I'm surprised more employers don't penalize people via their premiums based on BMI.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 12:33 AM
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How about if you want to fuck your husband without having an excessive number of children?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 11:57 PM
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I actually use it as a medicine for endometriosis, so for me it's a yes in the strictest sense. Controlling the estrogen in my body is crucial for controlling my illness. By this same standard, should testosterone for men with low T be considered healthcare? What about anti-androgens or other hormonal agents for men who have hormonal issues? It is also health care in the sense that it is preventive. The costs of birth control compared to the costs of pregnancy and dependent care are significantl…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 11:41 PM
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Somewhat lubricating is not lubricating enough... Or are you trying to be funny?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/17 12:41 AM
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Some men are mentally stronger than women. Some men also make up the far low end of the IQ spectrum. Most men are average with different areas of strength and weakness, just like women. Male physical prowess is true for the most part, I'll give you that. It's just not nearly as necessary for day to day survival as it used to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 01:18 PM
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Right. So the argument was not "women are better than men." I'm not sure where you got that from. I agree that OP's statement is true to a certain degree. Men and women most often have different strengths based on their hormonal makeup and the priorities said hormones bestow. Men are more likely to be ruthlessly ambitious and women are more likely to be socially aware, for two examples. However, neither of those qualities are entirely gender specific. There is a great deal of overlap between men…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 01:05 PM
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Who is arguing that women are better than men? The argument is that women can do the same things men can. Your response comes off as unnecessarily defensive. I agree with OP to a small extent, as there are aspects of life in which either gender is more likely to succeed as a function of biology. This does not ring true in all cases, though. There are female body builders and mathematicians as well as male linguists and counselors, after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 12:41 PM
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My husband, 'cause he's got that rad dad bod. 😍 But seriously, though. He balances out my weaknesses and is genuinely an awesome fit for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 08:42 PM
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Husband and I are in an open marriage, so he can still fuck around if he wants to. He was seeing other women when we met and we just kept that dynamic as we started a relationship together. I'm free to see other people as well, but I haven't met much of anyone worth the effort. He views the freedom to pursue casual sex as a big positive, though he does so less than I expected. Initially, I provided him friendship and a common view of the world. We're strikingly similar in our beliefs and convict…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 08:53 PM
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A pill dislodges the zygote, thins the cervix enough for it to pass through and assures that it is captured in a receptacle of some sort that will provide necessary support during transfer... Ok. You still run into the issue of bodily autonomy, as the woman has to consent to either pregnancy, an abortion, or the medication that will pass the zygote out of her body and the collection/transfer of her biological material. I do agree with you behind the reasoning for most abortions. They often occur…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 06:45 PM
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Mental distance is probably good for the type of short term casual hook ups TRP aims for. Too much mental distance is a hindrance to most long term relationship, though. Making life long commitments work requires a healthy balance of individual and team thought. Both MRP and modern mainstream relationship ideals go too far to the individual end of the spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 01:23 PM
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We've had this conversation recently. Empathy and compassion are both a product of evolution and learned behaviors. Both are necessary for survival and the successful rearing offspring. Mother Theresa was a hoax. Other than religious leaders, of which women make up very few since they're typically not allowed at the top echelons of religious organizations, one would have to look at charitable organizations. Being a compassionate person does not often make one famous. That being said; Leila Janah…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/17 12:12 PM
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This is true. I make about 36K in Arkansas and live fairly well. I also have a few Californian friends who moved here specifically because of the drastic difference in cost of living.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 03:19 PM
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It's out of duty, wanting to be useful. Not out of compassion. This is a phenomenal reach. Do you have any actual data on this, or are you just hamstering? Women do not have compassion for men weaker than them, if she could overcome, why can't they? There disgusting, creepy, to them, typically. If they're family they'll care maybe, but still not be compassionate. I see what you're getting at here, but I don't make the same judgement you do. Women have more romantic options than men. What you're …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 01:53 AM
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How do you come to the conclusion that women are incapable of having compassion? Most commonly agreed upon scientific evidence regarding this topic suggests that men and women are equally compassionate, but they are likely to express/experience it differently. Yesterday, journalists at Huffington Post Live asked me to comment on whether women are more compassionate than men. Scientists in general tend to cringe at any strong black-and-white statements of this kind since we know there is no data …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 01:41 AM
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Best of luck to you. Hard to turn a prude into a porn star.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 10:47 PM
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What isn't condescending about that? A man who views his partner as below him loves her because she's vulnerable, helpless and innocent. Perhaps I should have used the word "superior" as opposed to "noble."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 10:46 PM
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I'll second this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 08:42 PM
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No idea who you are, but your corgi shirt is rad.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 08:28 PM
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You're too adorable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 08:27 PM
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I'd call that an empty, condescending kind of love. Definitely not some noble form of love based on who she is at the core of her being.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 08:00 PM
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Nah. In my case, I pined for several years. Long after my chances with "the one" had passed. It was ruining all of my other attempts at relationships until I forced myself to move on. He was in no way of higher SMV/RMV, more objectively attractive or better off financially than others I tried to be with after him. I just loved him and it fucked up my life for a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 07:50 PM
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Did your girlfriend break up with you? You're going a bit overboard today, even by your typical standards. Womanly oneitis is a thing, yes. It really does exist, whether it fits your own self-admitted narcisisstic worldview or not. I've experienced it, as have numerous other women. Your need to feel superior by way of your gender, and demonstrate that superiority on the internet, is pretty intense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 07:26 PM
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Lmao, yes. Womanly oneitis exists. I was hung up on a specific guy for several years before I finally forced myself to get over him. Lots of women experience the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 07:15 PM
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Well yeah. Love involves remembering that your partner is a good person and that you love them when they're at their lowest. This allows one to forgive one's spouse for acting like an ignorant child in any one of the inevitable moments of weakness that dot the field of human existence. Went through one with my husband about a month ago. He was horrifically Ill for about two weeks, during which time I did everything I possibly could to care for him. Barely slept, stayed with him at the hospital, …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 06:39 PM
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That comparison mentioned nothing about moving on. Merely that men's love is also conditional.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 06:05 PM
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So the men who see women as below them love them more for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 06:03 PM
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Do I sympathize with them? Nope. I do understand the differences in priorities between men and women that cause women to view their husbands as lazy children and men to view their wives as nagging harpies. However, these differences do not justify infidelity. If you're so bored or frustrated in your marriage that you want to go score some strange, it's your obligation to work that shit out in the open. Male or female. Long term commitments are tough. Marriages are not always fun and our idiosync…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 03:11 PM
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I mean, you do you. If your lady is down, that's awesome for you. Are you asking anything here or was this just a general statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 02:03 PM
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Being with someone who had never viewed porn would be strange for me. It would be ok if they made a decision to lay off of it for awhile, but I assume someone who never once touched it wouldn't be sexually compatible with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 11:49 AM
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Chill nerds are the way to go. Extroverts get annoying after awhile.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 12:05 AM
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Sounds like 2 is the better bet if you don't see long term potential with 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 11:06 PM
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Submitting to mandatory counseling which may or may not include misleading information, unnecessary ultrasounds and waiting periods of between 24 -72 hours for a few examples. One could argue that those are regulations as opposed to restrictions, but that would be pedantic. They are in place to make the process more difficult and less attainable for the the people who need it the most. Read: unwed, poor women who will then have the government and fathers on the hook for 18 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 08:56 PM
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That was literally the point of the post you originally replied to. TRAP laws have effectively shut down all but a few of the abortion providers in much of the South and Midwest. http://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-abortion-clinics-are-in-america-each-state-2017-2 This map is from 2014. One of Arkansas' three clinics has closed since then. Notice states with stricter regulations often have fewer than five providers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 08:25 PM
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No? Gun sellers haven't been regulated to the point of near nonexistence in much of the country. They are still able to run their businesses just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 08:14 PM
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Well sure, that's why all the unlicensed sellers at gun shows call themselves hobbyists. Professors at Northeastern and Harvard universities conducted a gun survey in 2015 that isn’t yet published. The national survey of 4,000 non-institutionalized adults found that 22 percent of the people who purchased guns -- at gun shows, stores or elsewhere -- underwent no background check, said Matthew Miller, professor of Health Sciences and Epidemiology at Northeastern University and co-director of the H…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 08:06 PM
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That varies greatly from state to state. We have open carry where I'm from and gun owners are not required to register their firearms or submit to background checks if they buy from a private seller. Those people are then able to funnel those legally purchased guns into the illegal market if they so choose. Eating oneself to a heart attack is not the same thing as purchasing a literal killing machine and then violently murdering other people with it, though I do get your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 08:00 PM
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As much as I agree that the second amendment needs to be reigned in, I'm not sure it's possible. There are too many guns already in circulation. Much of the political right would revolt if they were told to surrender their guns. Or they would just hide them. A friend of mine has several guns buried on his property at this very moment in the case of a "tyrannical government take over."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 07:41 PM
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Or an unlicensed seller. They make up around 25-50 percent of sellers at gun shows and are not required to administer background checks. Because they just sell guns as a hobby, after all. There are gun shows at least once a month in my neck of the woods. More often during deer season.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 07:32 PM
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Politicians in southern states constantly lob new restrictions at abortion providers and patients for the sole purpose of making them more difficult to obtain. A legal abortion is much more difficult for a poor southern person to obtain than a legal gun, as evidenced by requirements for mandatory counseling, ultrasounds, waiting periods and numerous other regulations that doctors and patients must navigate on a state by state basis. There are two abortion providers left in my state (Arkansas) th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 07:25 PM
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I definitely wouldn't call it brainwashing. I think it's a mixture of the evolutionary desire for a strong partner, the desire to BE desired and the desire for sex without being characterized as a slut. Though I imagine that last part would be a smaller factor in younger generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 05:58 PM
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Was that the thread where the boyfriend was reasonably certain it was actually rape and was angry with her for not wanting to go to the police?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 05:50 PM
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True enough on the first bit. I'm not versed enough in evo-psych and its impact on human sexuality to weigh in definitively on the latter part, so I'll offer an opinion. Could evolution predispose the majority of women to sexually desire strong, dominant partners who are capable of caring for them and their young? Totally. Does this desire for strong partners translate into rape fantasies? I think there's a lot more to it than merely evo-psych can tell us, though it is quite likely a piece of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 05:30 PM
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Results indicated that 62% of women have had a rape fantasy, which is somewhat higher than previous estimates. For women who have had rape fantasies, the median frequency of these fantasies was about 4 times per year, with 14% of participants reporting that they had rape fantasies at least once a week. In contrast to previous research, which suggested that rape fantasies were either entirely aversive or entirely erotic, rape fantasies were found to exist on an erotic-aversive continuum, with 9% …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 04:15 PM
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Agreed. By the final season she is 100% a participant.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 02:05 PM
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I tend to think of dog owners (especially males) as more extroverted than cat owners. Granted, that's my own totally biased observation. Extroverted men are more likely to be successful in dating in general, but my introverted pussy gravitates to other introverted cat folks. 🐱
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 11:45 AM
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It's purge week. People here are smarter than they're letting on. I dunno if you're an alt or new here, but seriously, most of the posters 'round these parts are usually very well composed and interesting. There are tons of selfish, awful humans in the world. This is true of both sexes, but people instinctively place blame on the whole of the out-group as an easy way of dealing with their problems. It was initially offensive to me that so many people here post about AWALT and women being like ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 06:28 PM
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I can see that. Men more often develop friendships based on common interests and women more often develop friendships based on social commonality and/or emotional validation. I get mixed reactions from folks when I propose that men and women could stand to be more understanding of other men who don't dam up their emotions. Some men agree with me and others believe "Manning up" is just part of male nature and attraction that can't be changed. Most guys don't actively try to sabotage others Ah, I …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 05:00 PM
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That's very true. There's a more significant social stigma attached to men being downers than there is for women. I'm curious, what happens between two male friends when one is complaining to the other? About home life, work, whatever? Do men validate each other one on on the way that women do when we vent to each other? I know my husband definitely doesn't interact with me the way another woman would, but he does complain a lot. I imagine it's because we're close. As in, I don't think he would …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 04:19 PM
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Talking and airing grievances (complaining) are ways in which women bond with one another. Venting can be healthy, but plenty of women do go too far with it. As do plenty of men, for that matter. There are men bitching and moaning and whining all over the internet. I think women are just more likely to do it in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 04:07 PM
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This, pretty much.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 02:58 PM
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That advice, to me, comes down to "don't be a total asshole when you point out something you may have an issue with." Marriages thrive on letting the little things go, controlling oneself when interacting with one's spouse and otherwise understanding how your actions/tone of voice may impact them. The woman who posted that story took this advice too far ended up with stolen luggage. The whole captain/first mate concept is silly to me. Just don't be a miserable, controlling jerk to your spouse. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 02:31 PM
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Eh, there's a considerable overlap between TRP and tradcon beliefs. There are definitely some reds who would think the way you've stated here, but many of them would freak out about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 01:07 AM
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I might give being a red priestess a try. Immortality and the ability to raise the dead could be neat. Beats the fate of pretty much any other women in the series by a lot. Not so sure about the whole burning children and/or child body parts, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/17 10:43 PM
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Like most things, empathy is part nature and part nurture. Humans have evolved to be social animals. We (both men and women) crave companionship and social interaction. Men included, as evidenced by men who choose to interact in social groups like church, online forums, clubs, with friends, etc. Even introverts need a modicum of human connection in order to keep ourselves healthy. Empathy, or the mimicry of it at the very least, is crucial for most humans to form the successful, fulfilling relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/17 10:24 PM
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God damn it. You're insane, but at least you're funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/17 08:31 PM
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I'll start with premises 3 and 4. Male nature does not know about consent. It loves to fuck whatever it is attracted to, in its purest uninhibited form. Empathy is a function of evolution that serves to promote social cohesion for the sake of healthy offspring. Men are capable of empathy as they are subject to evolution. Men feel and/or react negatively when things they don't want happen to them. By 2 and 3, men are capable of understanding how a person who has been violated feels. By 2, 3 and 4…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/17 08:20 PM
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Points 1-5 all seem to be premises. You want us to assume that your first five points are all true with no attempt to back them up? I understand starting with a premise, but your attempt at a logical progression from 6 on is flawed based on the excessive assumptions that lead up to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/17 07:50 PM
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Have endometriosis. Can confirm. Certain positions are a no go and others are ok depending on the day of the month.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/17 07:42 PM
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There is no logical progression from point 2 to 3 or from point 3 to 4. Those are just statements with no logical proof to hold them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/17 07:35 PM
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True alphas enjoy raping folks TRP is a strategy used to achieve alpha-hood. TRP is a strategy used to achieve optimal rape capability. Therefore, terps who don't just go raping willy nilly (overcoming their social inhibition) will never be true alphas. I think you're obsessed with your own sadistic urges, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/17 06:42 PM
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Nah, it's a fair enough question. Most women just think about sex differently than most men. Form is generally more of a concern than function, provided there's no legit dysfunction to be concerned with. And even then, our dysfunction can often be helped with lube/hormone therapy and kegels.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/17 06:29 PM
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I can't imagine a woman being concerned about that unless she has vaginismus or maybe if she's had children and didn't get the extra stitch. Women tend to be concerned about their partner's exes' looks more than the specific tightness of their vaginas in most cases. His ex is skinnier than me, his ex has a gorgeous face, his ex is the perfect woman, etc. A woman might stress about the appearance of an ex's vagina if they're insecure about their own, I suppose. Ugly labia is a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/17 06:07 PM
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Mr. Is doesn't care for it, apparently he greatly prefers the P. We get our naughty on in other ways 99.5% of the time. I actually enjoy it more than he does, so it's like he's doing me a favor that last .5%. ATM is a no go, though. Too gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/17 05:09 PM
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Why do incels feel the need to comment on the lives of "normies" when they don't share the same experiences? Everyone's just trying to make themselves feel better by bitching about the out-group.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/17 04:55 PM
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My vagina is a lie. Nifty.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/17 05:22 PM
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I want a partner with equal initiative. That is the key bit of this article, in my opinion. It is incredibly frustrating to see one's spouse chilled out on the couch while you're (working more than he does, in my case), functioning as a household secretary, maid, chauffer, nanny and cook all at the same time. The difference in the average male/female perspective here breeds so much resentment. And that's all it is; a difference in that sense of urgency that propels many women to stress about eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/17 04:59 PM
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Hysterical crying typically doesn't result in material damage. Is there a difference between a man breaking something cheap as opposed to something valuable? For instance, a typical man will break a plate or punch a wall, but what if he puts his fist through a TV or lays waste to his car with a tire iron?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 02:34 PM
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I can see how that could happen. As for your low periods, women tend to ruminate and obsess more than men. It makes sense to me that a change in hormones could impact you that way. Exercise helps me curb those sorts of issues, if that helps at all. It's easier to clear my mind when I'm physically active.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/17 08:29 PM
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Out of curiosity, have you experienced a change in your levels of aggression/anger with HRT?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/17 08:04 PM
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Your OP reads as very negative toward the female experience. You call the thoughts you're having stupid (and they may be, considering all the puberty talk around here) and then extrapolate those out to apply to all women via your vampire/human comparison. If cis women have no concept of what it's like to be male, the same applies to cis men and being female. Seems silly to think/feel so negatively about either side. Edit: If one considers both sides to be equally human and valid, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/17 06:55 PM
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Men exhibit this behavior as well, though it comes from a different place. If women are more prone to being hurt by a joke, men are more prone to being aggressive in response to a joke or perceived slight. These are, to a certain extent, functions of our hormonal differences and extremes can often be seen in people who have particularly high levels of estrogen/testosterone. High estrogen has the potential to make a person an emotional wreck and high testosterone has the potential to make a perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/17 06:33 PM
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Estrogen interacts with oxytocin in a way that you didn't experience as a male. I'm sure this can be odd to experience all at once, but it serves an important purpose in social cohesion and familial/pair bonding. http://www.darionardi.com/BulletinArt9.html However, the female hormone estrogen synergizes with oxytocin – the two greatly enhance each other. A man and woman might have equal levels of oxytocin but the woman experiences stronger effects. Physically, oxytocin facilitates childbirth and…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/17 06:03 PM
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Impulsive behaviors in men can easily include promiscuity, as seen in bipolar disorder, narcissistic and antisocial personality disorders. Also substance abuse disorders, but that tends to be for different reasons than the disorders listed above. Men and women do often sleep around for different reasons, but excessive sex with random people is a red flag for both sexes. For instance: A promiscuous woman might be trying to repair her self esteem or manipulate people into liking her, while a promi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/17 05:23 PM
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That's not what I took away from this article at all. Just that mental illness manifests differently between the sexes. Most mental illnesses can cause harm to both the person suffering them and the people around that person. That seems obvious to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/17 04:54 PM
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Please do follow up, I'm interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/17 04:41 PM
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Are you unaware of all the physical symptoms associated with normal pregnancy? It's a normal function of reproduction, but it sucks. A friend of mine just had to deliver her son a month early because she literally did not stop throwing up for eight months.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 05:03 PM
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Have they been able to recreate that study with a larger sample size? 73 people isn't all that much to go on. It is good information to consider, though. The difference in responses based on behavioral descriptions as opposed to the label of rape doesn't surprise me at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 03:34 PM
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This. Civilized behavior is both taught and learned via observation. This is part of the reason why children who experience abuse/neglect are more likely to go to on to be abusive/neglectful. This ties into rape as well. Children who witness their parents'/caretakers disregard for the wellbeing of others are more likely do the same as adults. That's not always the case, of course, but it's a well documented trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 01:43 PM
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Both of those things are true. The homogenous nature of their society is the primary reason I don't think we could reach that level of cohesion. The article I quoted mentioned the rejection of violence post WW II as well. That rejection of violence is social conditioning, as is the sense of cohesion and group responsibility taught in their schools. I find myself often confused about what constitutes emasculation. I imagine the Japanese push for men to be successful in business at all costs and f…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 01:37 PM
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There's an interesting discussion to be had there regarding what can be done to reduce criminality in the population. I agree that teaching men not to rape, specifically, is a bad strategy. I do think that encouraging behavior from a young age, and as a society, that eschews violence and criminality is a better option. Fewer than one person is murdered for every 100,000 in the population, compared to 4.8 for the United States and 44.7 in Belize. So how did Japan get its own murder rate to be so …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 01:12 PM
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Both of these things are a problem. Why only focus on one aspect of the issue? Men rape other men and children as well. Women, too, rape people/children. These people (typically) get off on the power the act of violating someone gives them and they prey on vulnerable people. Preventing oneself from being in a vulnerable position is helpful, but emphasizing impulse control, empathy and respect for both sexes from a young age is also important. If women's lack of responsibility was the only proble…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 12:55 PM
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The program learned that many boys believed it's justifiable to rape girls who are out alone after dark, wear miniskirts, or are taken on expensive dates. The question we need to ask is if this sort of attitude, which greatly contributes to the epidemic of rape in Kenya, is still prevalent in North America. I would say it's definitely not in main stream society, but there are still undercurrents of this sort of thinking perpetuated in certain corners of the internet and by specific groups of peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 12:30 PM
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Can you explain this? How do you believe the BP definition does this?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/17 01:11 AM
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As in taking pleasure in the pain and suffering of others? I don't relate to it, but I don't think it's wrong. Provided you're not the one inflicting the pain and suffering. Would you still consider sadism controlled if one is actively harming others?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/17 12:43 AM
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Let me just pull up my armchair and take some notes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 11:37 PM
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Notice I said uncontrolled sadism. Controlled sadism, expressed with a willing partner, isn't wrong in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 11:36 PM
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Yes. That would make them a sadist. Uncontrolled sadism is generally considered a problem by most of society. See commonly accepted attitudes toward murder, torture, rape and the like.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 11:21 PM
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Well, there you go. You answered your own question.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 11:09 PM
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That depends. Do you truly mean what you're saying? Does she truly believe those things about herself? Is the implied inferiority based on the fact that she's a woman? Is this all part of a sexual kink that could have zero basis in reality? To reverse this, if you belittle a man, implying inferiority or negativity, and he enjoys it, is that misandrist?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 07:37 PM
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Misogyny is defined as a dislike of, contempt for or prejudice against women. Thus, actions themselves are not misogynist. Beliefs and motivations are. This includes beliefs that women are inferior (contempt) and notions like AWALT (prejudice). So, the man who leaves his wife because he doesn't love her, as an individual, anymore is not acting in a misogynist manner. However, the man who leaves his wife because ALL women are selfish whores who will eventually leave, is. In the same way, a man wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 06:39 PM
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You're acquainted with an awfully fucked up, piece of shit criminal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 12:49 AM
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Man, I would love to think so. I was a total believer in legalization before I found the info I linked above.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 12:43 AM
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Unfortunately, legalizing prostitution has been shown to increase human trafficking. That's what this dude is doing when he rapes women and "lays down the law", as you said. https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/ Countries with legalized prostitution are associated with higher human trafficking inflows than countries where prostitution is prohibited. The scale effect of legalizing prostitution, i.e. expansion of the market, outweighs …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 12:33 AM
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Ah. Well, that's fucked up and a prime example of why prostitution is not a comforting option for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 12:27 AM
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 12:25 AM
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Do the escorts have a choice in the matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 12:17 AM
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We don't talk the same way I would with female friends. We generally talk about common media interests and occasionally life issues. I meet up with one of them a couple of times a month and the other a few times a year. I've never really enjoyed the feminine emotional tampon role, so I enjoy having male friends with whom I can communicate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 12:08 AM
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I suppose my question here would be: Do you consider women you do have sex with to also be your friends? I think of my husband as my best friend, even though I don't interact with him the way I would with female friends, if that matters. I think it's possible, but it requires a more feminine man/more masculine woman than most. For instance, I have lots of gay male friends and two straight males that I would consider friends. I understand that the straight ones have likely thought about me in a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/17 08:42 PM
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I would really love to see an answer to this question.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/17 08:34 PM
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I've considered hands off sex work in my more desperately broke, younger days. Cam work, selling my panties, etc. I never did anything like that, though. Too shy. No, the thought of having prostitution to fall back on doesn't comfort me at all. Prostitution, as it is in the US, is horribly dangerous. There are other, much safer and fulfilling, ways that I can make money. I would also take zero pleasure in being used a sex toy by strangers, regardless of whatever power other women might get from …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/17 07:39 PM
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In a way, sure. Many women are opposed to sex work on the grounds that they think it's icky and/or don't want to accept that their men are easily attracted to other people. Jealousy and a society-wide contempt for "whores" contributes to that greatly. Plus religion. Many women are opposed to it because of the harm that comes about from human trafficking, pimping and underage sex work. I am personally fine with sex work, provided it's done willingly by a legal adult. Many women agree with me on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 07:42 PM
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You think men buying sexual favors from women is them "loving female sexuality"? Seems like men satisfying their own sexuality and women (or pimps/madames as the case may be) profiting from it. A man who loves women's sexuality (by the bizarre definition we're using today) would, I dunno, want to please them sexually and devote themselves entirely? Encourage them to deny sex to people they're not attracted to? None of those things apply to the typical sex work transaction because they're typical…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 06:37 PM
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Rarely are personal beliefs measurable in the terms "all or none." Personally, I am in an open marriage. I talk with my husband about the people he dates, encourage him to have a good time and occasionally​ interact with his partners. I don't try to set him up on dates, though, as I'm much too shy for that. The terms predatory and violent are overkill. I saw you mention you believe penetration is inherently violent and I'm just not sure I follow you there. Rough sex is great, and I wouldn't clas…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 01:18 PM
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Short answer: Yes, when I was a child/teenager. Primarily sexual, some emotional. I haven't run into any such assholes as an adult, but I'm highly introverted and don't meet new people much.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 01:53 AM
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Some hatred, mostly fear. I was molested as a kid and spent many years thinking that men only wanted to hurt/use me. Much like anger, fear can also breed self fulfilling cycles of behavior. I figured out that's only correct about some men (and kicked myself out of victim-brain) around 20-ish and have had a much improved life since then.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 04:03 AM
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Fun anecdote, I was deferred from donating blood for a year for stupidly stating I was in a sexual relationship with a man who had sex with another man. (Seven years earlier, but that doesn't matter to the red cross.) I do believe that many women are turned off by male bisexuality. I'm also aware of many women who are really into gay porn. Seems contradictory, but maybe it's not? Maybe it has more to do with an insecurity regarding fidelity? As in, a bisexual man is twice as likely to cheat. I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 04:24 AM
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You do you, provided it is with a consenting adult. That's pretty much my only opinion on this subject. I correlate men who visit sex workers to women who visit therapists. I wouldn't think less of someone for seeing a therapist, so why would I think less of someone for seeing a prostitute who practices willfully and without duress?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 04:01 AM
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This is a worthy topic and I would like to see a discussion about it. Personally, yes, I think access to porn at a young age fundamentally shaped my (female) sexuality. It gave me unrealistic expectations for both men and women and led to the development of a number of kinks. Number 1 unrealistic personal expectation of men gleaned from porn: Men want to do the most outlandish things all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 03:39 AM
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To be fair, I think a lot of that complaining comes from having to clean up after others. It blows my mind how much dirtier my home gets now (with three adults, one child and one cat) compared to when I lived alone. My husband typically does his share of cooking and cleaning, but I understand why people who get no help might complain, especially if they also work.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/17 05:02 PM
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If liberal people in the US are known as left wing, what would we call conservative people? I noticed you refered to "left women" awhile back, so it seems odd to me that you don't care for the term right wing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 01:45 PM
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So women simultaneously underestimate the power of sex and use it as a bargaining chip to bag the perfect man?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 08:40 PM
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Nah, I was only trying to make a distinction between what Love8 suggested to be "sexual things" vs. PIV sex. I personally think the distinction is abitrary, and that is partly because it is rare to have one without the other. Seems perfectly reasonable (not ho behavior) to me for people to have sex prior to establishing commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 08:33 PM
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So PIV is hoe-ing, but a handjob isn't? Seems a little arbitrary. Wouldn't a woman who does "sexual things" without having sex be a tease? Is there any way a woman can have sex or do sexual things without succumbing to instant, manipulative whoredom in the minds of men? Lol The whole Madonna/whore dichotomy is really pretty tricky to traverse. You're correct that it is the primary goal of most women to achieve a relationship with someone they really want. I think more of them view sex as icing o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 06:41 PM
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You're describing the standard modern western relationship model, albeit in a derogatory manner. Sex is typically had prior to exclusive commitment. That doesn't translate to hoe-ing out to me. People want to know that they're sexually compatible prior to becoming too involved; but yes, some women do use it as a means to secure a man. The most conservative women will not have sex at all prior to receiving some form of commitment. That is marriage to some and LTR status for others. Some women als…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 06:18 PM
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F/25/purple For me personally, sex fits into the physiological, love/belonging and esteem sections. Sex relates to self esteem and social esteem in numerous ways. I'm surprised more people aren't mentioning that here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 06:01 PM
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I'm not certain the empathy that all men have for women is real, to be honest. Aside from the protector instinct that men have, I think men often fake empathy for women in order to avoid persecution and/or get sex. Most men don't give a shit about women's day to day experiences or needs, judging by anecdotes in corners of the internet like this. Regardless of feminist narratives.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 03:49 PM
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A) I don't call myself a feminist specifically because of the unfortunate connotation. B) That's true of lots of tumblr-ite feminists. However, many feminists are also involved in organizations devoted to human rights, especially women's rights. There are numerous global and country-wide organizations devoted to advancing women's rights. Here are links to a few founded by Western feminists. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Alliance_of_Women https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Joan%2…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 06:24 PM
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Thanks! I got really lucky with him. :) We don't have an official diagnosis yet, as his brain scans and lab work haven't told us much of anything. That's apparently pretty common with seizure disorders, though. He's not too keen on seeing any more doctors, but the seizures are decently well controlled right now and he does have a neurologist appointment in January. Fingers crossed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 04:27 PM
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This is a good point. I'd like to change my answer, as long as I get to be a house cat. Street cats have it pretty hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 03:59 PM
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Thanks :)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 03:45 PM
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Such a pretty fluff!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 03:41 PM
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Things I've done for my husband that I wouldn't do for FWBs. Stayed with him for four days after his first really big seizure (before we lived together) to help him recover. Made him food, let him rest, took care of his daughter, etc. I missed 2 1/2 days of work for that and it was worth it. Do the same now any time he has seizures, which are better now that he's on decent medication. This is much easier as we are now married and live together. We have the most adventurous sex of my life. I've n…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 03:16 PM
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Male guardians of women in Saudi Arabia can be notified via an app when they try to leave the country. Neat, right? Those same male guardians have to give consent for women to receive everything from education to healthcare. Also, they can't drive or go out without a male escort, anyway, so good luck getting out without submitting to being smuggled and potentially trafficked. All of this is made possible because women in Saudi Arabia aren't considered legal adults. :D Life is great. Humans are w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 02:22 PM
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So advances in female agency remove agency from men. Gotcha. The men who run off are aware of the state they're leaving their offspring in, they just don't care. They weren't looking for offspring in the first place and thus don't believe they should care about them in the least. Sounds like those men also benefit from the sexual revolution and then run away from any responsibility that might come with it. Women have more control once a pregnancy occurs because they are literally walking incubat…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 02:10 PM
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Assuming this is an RPG that mimics real life, cis male.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 01:05 PM
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I would estimate more than that once you account for highly conservative and sexually avoidant women. How should I know, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 12:29 PM
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It's purely anecdotal. I'm involved in some local and online kink circles and see more of that behavior than I think (at least love8, anyway) would expect. This is also an observation of more aggressive and open modern sexual attitudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 12:18 PM
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In my mind, no. It just implies rough handling. If the person being manhandled enjoys it, you're more or less doing that person a service.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 10:38 PM
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We're both overweight, but not obese. Do you think mutually fat couples are more likely to mutually enjoy porn?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 09:15 PM
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Do you feel you're being dominated by your superiors at your job? Or any time you comply with any request? It seems apparent to me that there's a big difference between sexual domination and every day employment/interpersonal interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 08:53 PM
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The only person anyone is ever in truly control of in consensual encounters is themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 08:30 PM
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Human behavior is complex. Why do men so often fall for hot crazy women? We're often attracted to things that aren't good for us and people lie to one another (and themselves) to get what they want to an alarming extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 07:57 PM
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I did so intentionally because you specified that our hypothetical person is not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 07:46 PM
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Well sure. A person can support themselves and still foster a decent personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 07:38 PM
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It is her choice, at least in Western countries. No need to get into that here. Accidental pregnancies happen, abortion and adoption may or may not be options, fathers may or may not bolt. I personally believe each sex (and each individual) has its own burdens and comparing them is apples to oranges, but the fact that pregnancy and child rearing fall almost entirely on women is more supportive of the idea that women have it harder than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 07:37 PM
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While I appreciate what you're saying, there is an objective difference between breaking someone's arm and breaking someone's self esteem. Both are wrong. One is an immediate danger, the other is not. I do agree that U.S. cultural norms often give women a pass on the ways they abuse their partners since they are more often not physical. That being said, lots of women do physically harm their partners and lots of men play mind games. Women are less likely to cause serious bodily injury, and male …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 07:19 PM
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One of my best friends is a lady domme. She and her husband don't even enjoy a little bit of switch play. It's not my thing, but it works for them. Dominant and switch behavior is more common in women than people think. Especially with the rise of the internet and paraphilias like cuckoldry and CG/L. I see the distinction you're trying to make between "treat" and "handle", but I don't think it quite works. You could just as easily say something like women like to be manhandled and skip the minor…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 07:12 PM
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Widely accepted western standards. Many people don't agree with those standards, as evidenced by the number of people who beat the shit out of their partners. That really comes down to whether or not one believes morality is universal, relative or a mix of the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 06:52 PM
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O.O violence isn't an unacceptable tool to use in a relationship because your partner says so. It's objectively wrong. If a man or woman stays in a relationship in which their partner is violent, I would call that control through fear/low self esteem rather than currency.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 06:03 PM
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Yes, some exceptions would include: Women who are dominant in bed, lesbians, asexuals and women who just don't like being touched all that much. It's entirely possible for a woman to feel sexy or desired without being handled in this way. A BDSM style dominant woman might feel desired because her man chooses to submit to her. A lesbian can obviously feel desired without the presence of a man at all, and a woman who doesn't care to be randomly touched might feel sexually desired via affirmative l…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 05:38 PM
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I'm sure some men do function this way, but there are also plenty of men who are fully capable of separating their porn preferences from their real life preferences. I do see how problems could arise from both boys and girls watching porn at young ages. They would be more likely to develope unrealistic expectations about their bodies and pleasure or to develop a hardcore addiction. Those issues can be difficult to unpack, but I think they're just part of our reality with the internet. Personally…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 05:03 PM
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Or provide for themselves and find someone they enjoy as a person. That works, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 03:39 PM
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So yes, those jobs do require work. Thank you. Lazy people exist, male and female. Thanks for not being lazy?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 03:08 PM
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I think the point was that, while men in the west pay child support (some don't, most do), the actual burden of raising the children most often falls upon the woman, due to a mixture of fair and unfair reasons which vary depending on the parents' class. The lower class a woman is, the less likely she is to actually receive support, as the other person responding to you mentioned. Can't get blood from a (perpetually unemployed, addicted) stone. Also, wtf is with the quotes around working? Who are…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 03:02 PM
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I'm sorry for what happened to you. I had a similar situation (perpetrated by a man) when I was a bit older than that. I was afraid of men, irrationally, for a long time and ended up making poor decisions for awhile that led me to be emotionally attached to bad ones. At the end of the day, your feelings are your own. My fear of men was unhealthy and I managed to bring it under reasonable control, which resulted in a much improved life for me. I realize that your situation is somewhat different, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 12:12 PM
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The lack of understanding isn't intentional and both partners often come into relationships with low empathy and introspective ability. This is perpetuated in part by the modern insistence that gender differences don't exist, which is itself a reaction to the insistence that masculine traits are morally superior and strict adherence to gender roles is necessary. Both partners view the other's reactions and beliefs to be unreasonable because they expect them to react/believe the same way they do.…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 06:26 PM
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Occam's razor is useful, but we can easily discount legitimate complexity by relying too heavily on it. It's easy to always point to the simplest explanations, whether they're correct or not. The razor makes for a good starting point, but using it as an end all be all discourages critical thinking. “The aim of science is to seek the simplest explanation of complex facts. We are apt to fall into the error of thinking that the facts are simple because simplicity is the goal of our quest. The guidi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 05:08 PM
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But really, though. Anger and irritability are some of the most common symptoms of depression in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 02:02 PM
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Because relationships are complicated. Add in enough time of poor understanding, different priorities and communication on different wavelengths and you get a withdrawn, henpecked husband and a wife who feels emotionally alone and undervalued (and thus doesn't want or give sex.) This is where that RPW advise to STFU comes in. At least about common, every day stuff, anyway. Stopping the cycle of complaining and withdrawal is crucial to maintaining a romantic hetero relationship. Men should do the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 04:13 AM
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It makes sense to me, but I've made that decision in my own life. I enjoy seeing little pieces of my husband in my step daughter and I feel very lucky to help raise her. I'm not her mom, but being in her life gives her extra support that she may not have gotten if her dad had stayed single. Even as a means of propagating the species, it makes sense to provide resources to children who lack. That decision may not be right for you, and I don't think you should be judged for it, but it is a good de…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 02:24 AM
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I think we're talking about two different things. I'm talking about men who consciously feign interest in women as people in order to get in their pants or gain some other benefit. (Maybe he's a mooch and needs somewhere to live.) Many women clearly do not understand this game, since plenty of them fall prey to it. Rather like men often fall prey to manipulative or borderline women. It may be more fair when both partners are hard headed, but those relationships typically don't last very long. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 12:14 AM
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So plenty of women simply need a man to lie to and manipulate them? Many people are drawn to this behavior, but I don't agree that they need it. A hard headed asshole man and a hard headed confident woman would surely butt heads entirely too much. You typically see hard headed people with highly agreeable partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 11:29 PM
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Did you mean to reply to me here?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 10:51 PM
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Dating a single mother doesn't make any sense no matter how much society wants men to date them and father some other man's child. Sure it does, as long as the man choosing that life is aware that the child isn't biologically his. Tons of men sign up to be step parents and do so willingly and happily. Many of them also have children of their own, as men are somewhat more likely to remarry than women. Among those eligible to remarry—adults whose first marriage ended in divorce or widowhood—men ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 07:15 PM
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True, but none of that tells us whether or not they have an egalitarian relationship. We have no idea how much credence Barack gave to Michelle's opinions, how many decisions she made without him or whether she ceded to his decision making even when she didn't agree. She's an ivy league educated lawyer, author, mother and she took her role as first lady head on. I think she has more gumption and drive than the average RP man would want in a partner. Barack also appears to have made a sincere att…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 06:52 PM
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Do we really know that much about the Obamas' personal dynamics? I've always perceived them as having an egalitarian marriage based on their public interactions. I could be mistaken, though. I get that he has very high SMV/RMV, but what is an RP marriage if not the captain/first mate dynamic? Michelle Obama doesn't strike me as the "surrendered woman" type.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 06:26 PM
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Well sure. You would no longer be the primary concern once your chosen wife gives birth to your child, either. Neither should the wife be your primary concern at that point. I do see the rationale behind not wanting to come second to a child that isn't yours. I don't personally feel that way, but I get it. It takes a certain set of priorities in life to be happy with being a step parent. If that's not for you, just don't go there. It will be better for everyone involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 05:59 PM
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That would be why I don't call myself blue. TRP is correct in some of it's observations, like these.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 05:16 PM
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This is a really good series of explanations. I would also add that assholes are more likely to manipulate their partners by pretending to care for them when they really don't. People in general prefer to see/hear what they want than face up to the ego hit that is someone lying to them like that. This applies to both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 01:54 PM
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So it makes sense for it to not be very impressive or even valued for a woman to sleep around excessively in contrast to a man. Stating that sleeping around is not very impressive or valued is an understatement of what the slut double standard actually is. It's easier for women to get sex than it is for men, so it's not impressive. That's fine and fair. (I don't think it's impressive when men do it, either, but I'm not a man.) How does that make a woman who chooses to have casual sex bad, though…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 02:41 AM
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I've known my closest male friend since I was seven. I introduced him to my husband while we were still dating and they became friends as well. We do typical friend things, I guess. We send each other dumb internet junk, talk about politics, play video games together, consume and discuss media. We went on a road trip with another (female) friend a few years ago to see a band we all like and we each paid our own way. We get together with other friends at his place on occasion and have drinks. He …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 02:42 AM
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These are my favorite.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 10:49 PM
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We're still talking about incels here, right? The sub itself definitely crosses the line from non-PC to actual misogyny. I absolutely understand that the life experience of the average poster to that sub is horrible, but I don't think that makes the obvious, overall hatred of women there any less... hatey? It's all right there on the surface. They're not shy about it. Give all the reasoning you want, but a spade is still a spade.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 07:36 PM
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Female, purple I guess, and 15.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 09:51 PM
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Sounds like she was probably high. The "we" part is the worst. I would assume there was someone else hiding out nearby, ready to jump in and carjack me. Also, poor animals. D:
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 07:38 PM
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We had a courthouse wedding. A friend officiated our 5 - 10 minute ceremony under a tree for the sake of the close family that insisted they be there. We spent a total of $60 on the marriage license plus the cost of the bottle of Kahlua we gave to our officiant friend, as he is a registered dudeist priest (lol) and refused our money. My only regret about the whole thing is that my dad, a Catholic deacon, always wanted to officiate my wedding. I am not Catholic, he is not allowed to marry non-Cat…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 05:17 PM
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I'm afraid I don't, and I won't share his information here for privacy's sake. He was heavily influenced by prog, jazz and zeuhl bands in particular. He also developed his own method of pictographic notation that is really pretty out there, but he thrives on going about his art differently. We were together for almost three years total, living together for 1 1/2. I only knew about the black vans for the last year or so, and I never noticed them even when I looked for them. He let me in on his pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 04:52 PM
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I don't agree with the RPW stance I mentioned or that. I do see your point, though, and I agree with your latter statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 06:22 PM
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There's some basis in reality there, though. The average woman is hit on far more often than the average man. That repeated experience creates an expectation that most men are sexually interested in them. Very attractive men display this behavior, too. The ratio is just skewed toward women for obvious reasons. Some women respond to that with inflated egos, others with fear or avoidance. Some women are shy or socially anxious and are thus perceived as rude or cold by default. You get into social …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 06:09 PM
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General disinterest is more what I would expect. An obvious "eww" response is unfortunate, though, and an indication that someone is either unaware of their body language or just generally rude.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 05:34 PM
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Ah, I was imagining the difference between a quick hello on the elevator and catching up with someone about what occurred over the weekend. Have you observed this woman to see if she acts the same way around others? Some women play with their hair purely out of habit. This can signal any kind of stress, anxiety, thinking or boredom. It can also signal flirting, if accompanied by other flirty behavior. Leaning against the wall is relatively innocuous, but you have a point about her mimicking your…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 05:10 PM
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But yea, I see a palpable difference between how women who find my marginally attractive talk to me and those that do not. I think some of this difference is due to the pursuer/pursued dichotomy that exists between the sexes. A woman might keep a man she is not romantically or sexually interested in at more of a distance socially so as to avoid the awkwardness of unreciprocated attraction. This doesn't excuse out right rudeness or cruelty, of course. I'm curious to know more about the difference…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 04:47 PM
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The specifics may be a bit much for this forum. They were occasionally threats, but more often passive comments. He would play them off as jokes and employ what I now recognize as gaslighting tactics when I brought the subject up with him. He definitely enjoyed my discomfort, at the very least. He also used to get absolutely wasted and talk to me about all the fucked up things he'd done, but he would never tell me exactly what they were. Just that he was unforgivable and there were terrible thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 09:27 PM
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Yeah. He wouldn't take Tylenol out of paranoia of the drug manufacturers, let alone even entertain the thought of psychiatric medication. He had never been diagnosed and flat out refused therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 09:00 PM
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He hid it well until I moved in with him. I always knew he was eccentric, but I didn't know about the black vans following him around town or about how the government was stealing his data via drones or hacking into his brain and implanting messages. I tried to work through it with him, but it ended up being too much and he refused to see anyone about it. He was an awesome person in other ways. I just couldn't handle it and I'm sure I broke his heart. :( Edit: On the bright side, he could play e…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 08:36 PM
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We talk about this a lot. One of my long term childhood friends used to be with a guy who slowly isolated her from all of her friends and then ended up cheating on her, taking their dogs and leaving. Never hit her, but he used to berate her, call her names, tell her she was worthless, all that junk. I think he enjoyed being able to control her to the point of forsaking all of her other close relationships. The most interesting part of that whole situation is that he was 18 and she was 26 when th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 07:25 PM
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I think I would enjoy a story more than a song, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 04:42 PM
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Definitely not. Requesting a song is very different from being surprise serenaded. Especially by someone who has written some bad lyrics for you that they're convinced will woo you. I dunno, it might work for some, but it's not my bag.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 04:41 PM
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Writing and/or performing songs for people. It's just awkward with very few exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 02:08 PM
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You're either missing or ignoring the colloquial usage of the term "lady." "Acting like a lady" means acting like you have traditionally feminine manners. The colloquial equivalent to the word lady would be gentleman. As in, "good evening Ladies and Gentleman." I've only ever encountered older women who insist on being treated "like a lady." I've never encountered anyone who insisted on being CALLED a lady, though. That would be odd. Princess is more likely and those women are usually spoiled an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 12:44 AM
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Gotta get that spicy seafood, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 12:10 AM
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Would Gentle Sir/Man work?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 12:08 AM
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I think many of the men you're speaking about adopt that sense of superiority specifically to assuage their lack of self esteem, lack of success with women or sense of failure in their careers. Especially in places like this and, more extremely, r/incels. Personally, I think both sexes are about equally as likely to have low self esteem/issues in general, but they often express them differently. Men more often endorsed criteria from the antisocial, narcissistic, paranoid, and schizoid personalit…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 11:42 PM
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You mean the people I date that don't also date other people? I don't think about it much, honestly. Everyone I see other than my husband is on a FWB basis, and I'm not particularly concerned with exclusivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 10:36 AM
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I am curious, though. If you're not in your seventies, how did you live this? Did/do you reside in a more traditional society?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 01:02 AM
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Nah. We're mutually open, as are the majority of our open/poly/swinger contacts. A lot of swingers, especially, enjoy the idea of their partners being with other people. Male or female. In my experience, anyway. You are right about dudes that are into cuckoldry, the sex act, though. Those dudes typically don't want harems.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 12:50 AM
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This is how it's works for my husband as well. I don't date much, but he has a few fwb that he keeps up with and sees every now and then. We've been together for three years, married for almost one and we've been open since the start. Glad to see someone else who's had a good experience with this. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 11:16 PM
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I dunno, man. You appear to harbor a lot of resentment for people you think are merely not self aware. So much so that you state 50% if the population is internally vile. That's pretty extreme and not in line with my experience in the least. Ignorance does not equate to vileness in my mind, and ignorance is rampant in both sexes. The people that act in the ways you describe exist, but they are not the majority in my area/social circles. Again, are you living in a highly populated or wealthy area…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 10:32 PM
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I'm away from my computer now, so I apologize for my lack of formatting. In answer to your bolded question, social animals crave belonging. That's pretty much the bare bones of it. Neither men nor women are hive minds (that term gets thrown around here a lot) but both sexes tend to act in ways that allow them to fit into one group or another, typically along gendered lines. Women might obsess about being fashionable and men might show off or act macho, each in order to demonstrate value to their…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 08:29 PM
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This doesnt take into account women who dont use social media (probably very few tbh), but just compare the amount of women ON social media who post sexually charged photos, vs the amount of women who DONT post them. According to Pew, 72% of women used some form of social media last year. So, a little more than 1/4 women didn't use it at all. 69% of the general public used social media last year as a comparison. http://www.pewinternet.org/fact-sheet/social-media/ How wouldnt they be easily notic…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 07:03 PM
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Attention seeking behavior is gross, I agree. I'm not certain if there's any actual data on those topics, but I think it's reasonable to assume that someone in your position might not easily notice the ones who do not post cleavage pictures or wear skin tight clothing. Let alone the ones who either don't participate in social media or don't post pictures of themselves. (Think older women, low maintenance girls, ugly girls and introverts.) What is your definition of skin tight, by the way? If by …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 05:25 PM
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... no. You can be skinny and also have meth mouth, poor hygiene and odd proportions. I work with a woman who has a massive overbite (with yellow teeth) and some real deal caterpillar eyebrows complete with a prominent widow's peak. She also can't gain weight even if she tries. She's a nice lady, but she looks like a tiny cave woman. There are plenty of women like that around here. Granted, maybe things are different elsewhere in the US. Less malnutrition, better genetics, I dunno.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 05:10 PM
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Probably so. I also have a background like this, but I'd rather not get into specifics. Places like this are naturally going to attract a fair number of people with abuse history, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/17 04:48 PM
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This is a good point. I should have fleshed out the confirmation bias that occurs when one buys into this narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/17 12:49 PM
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I'm going to piggy back off of this, because I think it hits the nail, so to speak. I think this is why many women don't recognize men's problems until they happen to someone they care for. There's little to no attention given to them by mainstream media. The accepted social narrative is that women are disadvantaged, fragile creatures and that men have all the advantages. How would the average woman, who doesn't live these experiences and never hears about them, know that they even exist? Especi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/17 12:25 PM
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Thank you for sharing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/17 02:32 AM
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Nowadays? Walk around the house in skimpy clothes that my husband likes. He adores the tank and panties look. Also wiggle my bits in his face. We laugh a lot. :p
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 07:28 PM
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This is assuming that only women ever "continuously fail said reasonable standard." Unless your sole standard for adulthood is having post-pubescent male genitalia, both sexes fail to meet established societal standards of adulthood/independence fairly regularly. Both sexes couch surf, avoid responsibility, fail at introspection, exaggerate, deflect, etc. We're not the completely the same, but we're not nearly as different as Schopenhauer proposed. So, your premise only works if you accept the i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 04:26 PM
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Oh yeah, men are definitely capable of that much manipulation. I don't get why trp construes manipulation to be a female game. Maybe women are better at it due to stronger overall social/emotional skills, but men do it all the time, especially to get sex. And sure there is. The teenage brain is at a disadvantage in decision making. They have to rely on the impulsive, emotional amygdala until their prefrontal cortex matures enough to allow for full consideration of consequences. This is why teens…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 02:41 AM
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While this does sometimes come down to actual authoritative power, such as when a teacher makes an inappropriate advance on a student, I was talking more about power within relationships. An adult can easily control an infatuated teenager with a still developing prefrontal cortex. This can open the door to highly manipulative behavior and totally unbalanced power dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 02:18 AM
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The op mentions both pubescent and pre-pubescent girls in his post. My point was that using attraction as the end all be all in deciding what sexual behavior is morally acceptable is a slippery slope.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 12:47 AM
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An article from the sidebar based on 19th century thinking, yes. I didn't think it necessary to consider this old concept purely within the confines of modern dating strategy. I'm not disagreeing with your latter point. Here I find myself, in the manosphere, pushing back at this behavior. :p I never see it anywhere else, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 12:25 AM
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I actually somewhat agree here. Rationality can be employed differently by the sexes. Our priorities are typically different, and that's good. We need both perspectives to keep society up and running. Thus, it's at best pointless and at worst harmful to ignore or devalue either perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 12:14 AM
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OP didn't ask about this within the context of TRP. He asked a question about the concept itself. Schopenhauer was doing his thing long before TRP came along. That type of dialogue and attitude gets written into mainstream sitcoms. This is true and no good. We could argue chicken or egg, but it appears to me that both are trivializing reactions to behaviors the opposite sex doesn't care to understand. Indulging in belittling and blaming behavior is harmful to both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 12:02 AM
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In modern society, with the internet and urbanization? It's entirely possible. As it has worked out for the majority of history, definitely not. I'm afraid you're overestimating the nobility of your ingroup. Women leave and men check out. All people are selfish in one way or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 11:58 PM
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Men have no emotions and women are incapable of rational thought. It's biological truth. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 11:49 PM
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I would argue that pursuing a 14 year old with the intention of marriage is even worse than using them for sex. If minors can't sign other legally binding contracts prior to 18, why should they be able to make a lifelong commitment to anyone? How do you sift out the shitty men from the good ones? How can a 14 year old be sure they know precisely what they want for the rest of their lives before their prefrontal cortex is even decently developed? An 18 year old at least has 4 more years of brain …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 11:44 PM
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Well sure. This also applies to men. Women also often refer to men as children, funnily enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 11:30 PM
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One can be hateful and/or dismissive without intending to be so. This statement and line of thinking accomplishes both. It is also only based in reality insofar as it applies to both genders. Men and women both bloviate, exaggerate and act defensively or childishly at times. It would be foolish to take anyone on Earth seriously all the time. Women employ more emotional modes of communication, but they do not preclude them from acting rationally. I would compare a woman's irrational emotionality …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 11:29 PM
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Is 15 your cut off age? What if an eleven year old has already developed secondary sexual characteristics? Is it morally acceptable for someone who is programmed to be attracted to those characteristics to pursue her for sex? The average age of menstruation for girls in the US is now twelve, after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 08:14 PM
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My point was that 15 year olds are no longer mature enough to fend off people who would prey on their naivety. Let's imagine you have a 15 year old daughter. She's infatuated with her new friend, a 40 year old man. This man bought her a cute teddy bear, picks her up after school and tells her he loves her. You daughter confesses to you that she had sex with this man because she's never felt love like that before. Are you A-OK with that decision? Is it possible that the 40 year old is lying speci…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 07:35 PM
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I'm not applying gender here. My position presumes the adult is harming the teen by exploiting their naivety/immaturity and using it for sexual or emotional gratification. If you don't believe an authority figure (adults are authority figures to non-adults) farming a teen for their youth and attractiveness is wrong, then we'll disagree. "Wrongness" is subjective, but in this instance most of society agrees with me. Manipulation of an adult is a shitty thing to do. Manipulation of a person withou…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 07:04 PM
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Eh, I think most people would also look down on a 32 year old hooking up with a 16 year old even though it is legal. Lots of legal things can be morally reprehensible under the right (wrong?) circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 05:40 PM
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The desire for sex is one thing, and teenagers absolutely do screw each other. There's an obvious gap in power and priorities between a 32 year old and a 14 year old in our current society. The former is independent and makes their own money, while the latter is dependent on their parents and has no idea what adulthood is. I suppose some people would view this gap as inherently wrong to exploit and others would not. Personally, I do. Technology and other civil advancements have made it so that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 05:22 PM
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Biologically normal? Sure. There is a huge difference in the maturity of your average 12 - 15 year old today compared to the majority of human history. Evolution has not caught up with this social change. I'm not sure I see the point of this post. Are you arguing for or against something?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 01:58 PM
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You must have some pretty extreme experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 01:38 PM
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My apologies for spelling out my point in an easy to understand manner. Personal/intimate communication is vastly different from professional communication. Women who are professionally successful are typically aware of that. If they go looking for emotional validation from their bosses/peers, it can spell trouble. This is obvious, especially within management structures that are heavily populated by men. Why is it bizarre that women desire emotional validation from the person they choose to spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 01:15 PM
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Feminine modes of communication are often cryptic to men, I think, because men less often communicate the same way. Women tend to understand each other very well, even when our language is indirect. Isn't around 93% of communication non-verbal, anyway? Your wife says she's fine, but her tone of voice is tense, she's avoiding eye contact and won't quite face you? She is not fine. There's a decent chance that talking about whatever it is will make her feel better, but she's deflecting for some rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 12:17 PM
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Did you completely ignore this information posted by another user in response to you? This is a very detailed, pain staking examination of how present day police in Canada handle reports of rape. https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/investigations/unfounded-sexual-assault-canada-main/article33891309/?ref=https://www.theglobeandmail.com& In a 20-month-long investigation into how police handle sexual assault allegations, The Globe and Mail gathered data from more than 870 police forces. The findi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 11:20 PM
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I appreciate what you're getting at. If it makes you feel better, tons of rape victims who end up not reporting feel immense guilt for that decision. I disagree with you that these people are cowards, and I'm not certain you're capable of fully empathizing with this experience. Maybe this is one if those male/female emotional divides, I dunno. Your sense of duty appears to be clouding your ability to place yourself in a victim's shoes. Here's an example of how lightly the authorities take this m…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 10:35 PM
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I don't think the women are wonderful effect is usually used in the context of the public/professional sphere. As this data suggests, the roles are flipped there. RP types might rail against gender quotas, but I'm not certain that has to do with the perception that "women are wonderful." I generally see RP men talking about this in reference to private relationships, the criminal justice system and family court. I.E: Men are aggressive pigs and women are helpless victims. I'm more curious about …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 04:33 PM
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That's fair enough. I'm all for expansion of effective male birth control. It baffles my mind that so much R&D has gone into female birth control, but all men get is condoms or surgery. I'm curious how often men legitimately protest to their offspring being carried to term or want to adopt them out, though. Women don't always choose to become pregnant, but once they find out pregnancy has occurred they can then decide to abort, assuming they still have time. The father can talk to her about it, …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 04:09 PM
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I did. I'm saying that our methodology for reaching that conclusion is potentially different because you didn't provide any supporting evidence for your statement. Having seen your posts around, I assumed you were stating that single dads are morally superior because they are male, point blank. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I provided objective evidence to explain why single custodial dads in our current system could be objectively better (more fit) than single custodial moms. Going by that sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 03:46 PM
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My dad and brothers appear to care how I feel about things, as well. I'm sure they're feminized by RP standards, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 02:01 PM
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How often do you think men actually want to keep their children? The way guys around here talk about it, it's like no man ever wants to be a father. If it matters, this is from my earlier link. The assumption that "most" single mothers are single from the outset is false. Of the mothers who are custodial parents: 44.2% are currently divorced or separated 36.8% have never been married 18% are married (In most cases, these numbers represent women who have remarried.) 1.1% were widowed Of the fathe…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 03:39 AM
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Not sure our points were the same. You gave no reasoning for your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 03:22 AM
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There are roughly five times as many women with sole custody of their children, so it follows that they would receive TANF benefits at roughly five times the rate of men. The gap narrows a bit when you consider percentages of single custodial parents who receive any assistance at all by gender. The difference comes down to single fathers receiving assistance a little less than half as much single mothers. (20.9% to 41.3%) Still significant, but the gap isn't quite as wide. This also means that 7…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 03:08 AM
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Fair enough. I imagine that people who receive child support would be less likely to qualify for TANF based on income, as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 11:31 PM
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Custodial men (17.8% of custodial parents, total) receive government assistance about 20% of the time. That's roughly half the percentage of custodial women who receive government assistance. Your concept of moral superiority is your own. That being said, men who receive custody of their children are more likely to be deemed fit by the court on merit, as unmarried women can receive sole custody of their children by default. Men generally have to prove, via expensive legal processes that they're …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 10:54 PM
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This number makes sense if, as another poster mentioned, only about 17% of single custodial parents are men in the first place. I also found this interesting: Almost half of TANF families had no adult recipients. About 49 percent of TANF families had only one adult recipient, and 5 percent included two or more adult recipients. And I was surprised at how few TANF families receive child support. Nine percent of TANF families received child support in FY 2010, with an average monthly amount of $20…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 10:26 PM
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I see, I misunderstood your point. I thought you were saying that Schrodinger's rapist was horseshit, but Schrodinger's false accuser was legit. Both concepts seem asinine to me. Anyone could commit any crime at any time. I understand preparedness, but not living in a constant state of paranoia. Is that more what you were going for?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 08:43 PM
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For that matter if MRAs referred to all women as Schrodinger's false accuser feminists would be outraged, even though it's true. Out of curiosity, do you believe rape ever actually happens? Adding the last bit seems to imply that you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 05:05 PM
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So, do you believe in the biological determinist view that hypergamy is deep seated female nature or not? If it's just female nature, why and/or how would it be changed? Should women in lesbian relationships swallow the red pill in order to make their relationships last? Once again, break ups and negative experiences within relationships have multiple contributing factors. Quality/quantity of sex can be one of them, but it is by no means the only one. You're attributing one cause to problems tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 04:04 PM
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O.o wtf are you even talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 02:42 PM
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It's almost like break ups and domestic violence happen for many interconnected reasons that may or may not have to do with sex. Huh.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 02:32 PM
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Haven't we already discussed this ad nauseum recently? Quality vs. quantity, dude. The sexual priorities of men and women are different. That's basically the whole premise of TRP... I fail to see how this is the gotcha you appear to think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 02:19 PM
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You're moralizing psychological reactions to trauma that don't fit inside your own neat little box. No, victims of rape who don't report would not be better off dead. Along with the other reply here about the likelihood that a victim won't be believed (and will be subsequently ostracized), you must either be unaware of, or callously discounting, the intense psychological impact that rape can have on a person. These reactions vary from person to person, but they're easily observable. http://ajp.p…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 01:56 PM
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Personally, a few times, but not so much that I was severely impacted. I've been street harassed a couple of times for holding hands with a girlfriend. One guy didn't like how "slutty" I was and broke off our relationship, which is fair enough, but hurt a little at the time. I've also gotten a few critical messages on the internet about my choice to be non-monogamous. But, overall, the people I end up with are very open minded. On a societal level- All the time growing up in the south. The churc…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 12:42 PM
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This is why flair is useful, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 03:39 AM
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I imagine it just comes down to the demographics each ideology is likely to attract. There's a significant left/right divide that coincides with attitudes about sex and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 02:37 AM
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Nowadays, probably, but I would be honest with them. My situation is a little odd in that I'm married, but open. Any person I date is already aware of my situation, and of the two folks I've seen since hubby and I got together, neither of them asked. I don't believe any of my husband's other partners have asked him, either, but I suppose we hang around pretty sex positive people. Nobody we're associating with would think poorly of our history, anyway. :p I will say, the last guy who asked me my …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 02:18 AM
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I don't remember ever discussing it. We both talk openly about past sexual experiences, but I can't think of any time we sat down and counted it out. Come to think of it, I can't remember ever having an n-count conversation with any SO after about the age of 19. It's like one day the question "have you been tested recently" became way more important than "how many people have you done the deed with?"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 02:07 AM
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From what I understand, many Asian societies still push relatively traditional gender roles. Maybe South Korea? China or Thailand might work, as well. Ha. I wish calls to prayer were my only concern about living under an Islamic state. Badum tisssssss. Also all the war. Anyway, you appear to be VERY concerned with masculine and feminine roles. I was just curious if you lived in or wanted to live in a more traditionally gender segregated culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/17 11:38 PM
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Sure. Easier does not mean easy, though. The perception 'round these parts seems to be that women just float around from dick to dick with nary a care in the world. Some women can totally do that, whereas other women might have to train themselves to be comfortable leaving the house (read: agoraphobia) prior to even considering going on a date. A male agoraphobic would have a harder time dating than a female agoraphobic, but more women suffer from the disorder in the first place. Thus, it seems …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/17 10:25 PM
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Thanks for the link, I hadn't ever heard of Erin Pizzey before. I like her balanced, holistic approach to familial violence and the way that it impacts the behavioral patterns of the children in those situations. We don't kick people out of their homes, exactly, on this side of the pond. We do have mandatory arrest rules in many states, though. I can understand the reasoning behind both practices, but I think the flaws ultimately outweigh the benefits. DV is a tricky, dangerous problem to naviga…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/17 10:08 PM
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Agreed. I was more making the point that anxiety disorders, especially social anxiety, could contribute to women not even trying to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/17 09:46 PM
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Safe from American influence? Pretty much nowhere. Safe from feminist influence? Lots of places. These places just tend to be highly religiously fundamentalist. You might not completely escape the push for female rights (education and the like), but you can absolutely escape modern feminist ideology. Edit: Some Asian countries might fit the bill. Or Russia.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/17 08:09 PM
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Out of sheer curiosity, do you now live in, or would you ever consider moving to, an area where traditional familial arrangements are the norm? For the sake of simplicity, let's go with male head/provider, female help/homemaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/17 07:53 PM
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I see you say this pretty often and I'm curious about the basis of your reasoning. Has that been studied, or is it a personal observation?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/17 05:45 PM
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While I follow your reasoning in instances of cheating that do not result in the man bolting, how do you feel about mid life crisis dads dipping out on their families for the younger, hotter lady and a new car? Is it then comparable to the typical female affair? I do realize this is less common, I'm just curious about your opinion. Following that train of thought, is it more forgivable if a woman legitimately has a drunken ONS with no intention of leaving her partner? I also recognize that this …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/17 05:20 PM
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Thanks for the well thought out reply. I'm not fully in agreement about the totality of gendered nature, but I can see how our physical evolution hasn't caught up with societal changes that render life infinitely more cushy and the roles of the sexes more similar. Do you think that fairness under the law is a reasonable goal in regard to DV disputes, violent offenses in general and child custody? Does male nature make it impossible for these issues to be handled in an unbiased manner?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/17 04:55 PM
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Ha! I never thought about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/17 04:27 PM
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What kind of impact? I think I had a preconceived idea that relationships were meant to be smooth sailing with no effort because of love n' junk. This could have also been due to my age, but I do imagine that examples of relationships in childhood media could have played a part in that. I was a relatively sheltered Catholic girl, too. In what way did you treat BF1 badly? He was older than me and had a job. I expected him to take me out all the time and just constantly bombarded him with my teena…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/17 04:19 PM
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I related a lot with Belle from Beauty and the Beast because I liked to read. All the Stockholm syndrome junk was lost on me. I remember thinking the singing candle guy was neato and I loved the cool yellow dress. Pocahontas was pretty rad, too. I also remember being attracted to Jasmine as a kid. O.o Not sure if they intentionally tried to sexualize her character, or what. I think these "Disney" messages may have had some impact on what I expected from guys as a teenager. I realized those messa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/17 03:44 PM
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I agree that that example was a bit extreme. Women do experience anxiety disorders at about twice the rate of men, though. This is a mix of nature and nurture, like all things, but that's the data. I think this is where the RP idea of the lady-hamster comes from. Women, on average, worry much more than men, notice every little detail about everything and ruminate about perceived problems.This is also where the stereotype of the nagging wife comes from, IMO. http://theconversation.com/women-are-f…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/17 03:28 PM
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Female. One huge double standard I see is the belief that women are easily victimized and men can never be victims of anything. This perception is, very strangely, policed by both sexes. I also see this presented as women are helpless and men who are victimized should have manned up, or deserved what they got. I get the physical strength differential, but that only carries so far. Bad shit happens to both sexes, and it's ridiculous to me that we treat one another so differently in this respect. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/17 02:36 PM
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This is a pretty strange concept to me. So, no. People who are quick to outrage/perceived victimhood are likely not worth conversation in the first place. I take no joy in beating someone at their own game, as you characterized it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/17 01:28 AM
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Dude, I feel you. My sister in law is a prime, southern, shit kicking nut case and tons of people love her. Your claims are not unfounded. The rampant poverty and drug abuse go a long way in shaping people's priorities. Stuck in a hole is about right. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/17 12:13 AM
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I live here, too. This does sound relatively accurate for mainstream folks 'round these parts. I think you get more vapid materialism up north in the mainstream, though. More night clubbing, less honky tonking. PPD women are into debate. Maybe you just need to have a look around for a decently educated woman who isn't into too much pop culture, whatever that may be relative to her area?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 11:47 PM
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That's true. I'm talking more extreme tactics, though. Guys who make their SOs believe they're cheating when they aren't, believe their SOs desires are inconsequential in relation to their own, or command respect without bothering to give any due to an internalized belief that AWALT (meaning bad, worthless, conniving, etc.) These behaviors/beliefs are both stifling and manipulative, whereas standing up for oneself or improving oneself in a shit situation is not. I see an unfortunate amount of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 05:29 PM
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You make a fair point. I agree that actual harm to women is significantly mitigated by your last two statements. There do appear to be plenty of men who internalize the hyperbole and go on to use the worst RP tactics in their LTRS, though. I guess that's the point, but it seems awfully sad to me. On the flip side, I suppose it stands to reason that there really are so many shit people in the world that subtle manipulation and mind games are a realistic strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 04:31 PM
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I believe you in theory, but that is a common attitude on this sub (and manosphere subs in general). Not that one must bring down women in order to follow TRP, but that women deserve to be brought down a peg or three because XYZ generalization, statistic or biased belief. It's the same junk that radfems pull on the other side of the spectrum and the people who think that way are either unaware of their hypocrisy or are completely aware and are retaliating. At least, that's how it appears to me. …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 03:31 PM
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I'm also in the dadbod camp. If I had to choose between a man with some extra meat and a swimmer, I would definitely go with the former. It has a lot to do with comfort for me as well. And I'm not talking pot belly here, but it's exciting to me to feel my partner's weight against me in the bedroom. I've never found super muscle bound men attractive, so the best way for me to experience that sensation is to be with a man who's a little heavier. Heavier than the Putin picture that was posted earli…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 02:38 PM
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The buckets and buckets of hate, directed both inward and outward. And the superiority/inferiority complexes that run rampant here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 02:37 PM
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Probably the time my husband agreed to keep the sad, sick little cat that followed me home from the dumpster. She had an infection, was stick thin and had an awful flea problem. He absolutely would have been within his rights to veto her presence in our home, but he didn't. She is now a happy, healthy lap cat.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 02:30 AM
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One ex cheated on me, I think. He only told me after we broke up, so he may only have said it to hurt me. The big one was an ex who was a generally manipulative, scary, drug addicted asshole. I was involved with him when we were teenagers. He had an extremely rough childhood and I accepted a lot of bullshit from him out of sympathy, teen angst and a misplaced desire to help. Some of the worst things he did: Threatened to kill me pretty regularly, but in a sexual way. Like "if I ever hit you, you…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 09:25 PM
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While it is ok for her to post suggestively on social media Can you give an example of what you think would be a suggestive post? For instance, a face selfie isn't inherently suggestive to me, but a selfie plus cleavage is. Is that what you're going for?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/17 11:59 PM
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The program I cited is funded via a grant from the Office of Violence Against Women... You mentioned the Duluth model, are you unfamiliar with the feminist support for the Violence Against Women Act and it's corresponding grant office?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/17 09:11 PM
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Short answer: More than you might think.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/17 05:44 PM
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No. I wouldn't classify weird porn or fetishes as a male preference. Enough time spent on the internet exposing oneself to extreme sexuality will give just about anyone a paraphilia of some sort. If anything, I'm envious of the ability to have sex that is just physical. My personal attraction doesn't work that way. I'm disgusted by human beings who are into actually harming other people in sexual ways, but that does not equal "men" in my mind. Also by attitudes that are showcased in places like …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/17 04:54 PM
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That article is clearly a fair and unbiased examination of the linked source material. -.- Here's a less biased examination of that same research. https://phys.org/news/2014-11-disparity-tax-paid-women-men.html "We can speculate that the reason for women paying less tax is partly because women more commonly stay at home than men to look after their children, so in turn they receive more of the related tax credits and allowances," he says. "Statistically, women live longer too, so they are receiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/17 03:48 PM
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I posted this article yesterday, but this appears to be the topic of the week. http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/entry/the_anatomy_of_false_accusations_a_skeptical_case_study/ I would think false accusations are more often driven by a sense of convenience. In this case, the woman claimed rape in order to avoid conflict with her grandmother upon the grandmother finding lewd pictures on her phone. It was not her intention to go to the police about it, but she went along with it order to keep u…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/17 01:20 PM
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Officer Tremblay and others are now using an "open-ended approach" to questioning that "elicits sensory details and allows [victims] to describe the rape in [their] own words." In one instance, a victim initially could only remember the sound of her assailant walking in her apartment. Recalling his footsteps, she was eventually able to remember the sound of his voice as he spoke to a mechanic over the phone. She then recalled enough details for the police to contact the mechanic, who knew the pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/17 12:11 PM
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Ingroup bias applies to everyone. It's an easily observable social pattern that serves to cement our relationships with people close to us. Women and men both participate in this behavior, feminists just have the benefit of being a huge ingroup and they're very outspoken. To put it bluntly, the people enabling this woman's behavior believe her and identify with the brand of victimization she is subscribing to. I don't know what else you're looking for. False accusations are terrible. People who …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/17 01:35 AM
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This is one of the better explanations I've found for emotional labor insofar as it applies to familial relationships. ‘Emotional labour is what therapists would call “holding someone in mind”,’ explains consultant psychiatrist Dr Judith Mohring from the Priory Wellbeing Centre. ‘It’s at its most potent within the parental bond, but it’s generally thinking about other people and what their needs might be.’ https://www.psychologies.co.uk/who-carrying-emotional-labour-your-relationship (I don't ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 10:06 PM
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I legitimately cannot understand you. Your conclusions and perceptions of human sexuality, physiology and psychology are clearly not based in reality and you're obviously not here to have a rational discussion. Good luck in your trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/17 06:40 PM
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Please note: I said that women who act in that despicable way may relate to being cheated on or otherwise wronged by a man. You're clutching at straws here. I've agreed that this behavior is horrible and used cheating as an example for why women in the TV audiences you're obsessed with might be less than sympathetic. Not to mention mob mentality in those situations. TV audiences and internet comment sections are not representative of the majority of humans. One could even argue that they're disp…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/17 06:11 PM
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I'm not able to respond the way I'd like at the moment. I'll get back to this when I'm free.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/17 02:39 PM
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My apologies, I didn't have time to respond to this at length earlier. I did say that a lack of understanding of male sexuality might play into why some women (not 95% of us, that's a false generalization) might laugh about genital dismemberment. You're just ignoring it in order to push your point. This issue is often presented in a comedic manner (it shouldn't be) as a sort of "he had it coming" moment in light of infidelity. Surprisingly, women aren't a hive mind, so I can't accurately tell yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/17 02:13 PM
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The women who engage in that sort of behavior are acting in a callous way and lack empathy. Much like men who laugh off rape. I can agree that lots of women don't understand male sexuality and that might play into why some women react in such awful ways. Regardless of that, retaliatory dismemberment is not ok. I'm sorry you believe that 95% of women feel differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/17 01:44 PM
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...I am a woman and I know lots of them. Neither I, nor the women I care for, think that shit is anything other than vile. Lorena Bobbit actually came up in conversation the other day. Amazingly, we managed not to cackle like harpies the whole time we discussed how fucked up what she did was.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/17 01:16 PM
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Your examples are flawed and include, in both cases, people who lack empathy. Any woman who laughs at a man whose penis has been cut off is a terrible person. Same for men who laugh off rape. Your comparison to rough sex is.... I'll be nice. Wrong. Men who are raped by females are often traumatized, often even moreso if they are raped by another male. To sum up this difference: in a male circumcision, part or all of his foreskin is removed during circumcision, and often part or all of the tissue…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/17 12:41 PM
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Point being that men who are circumcized can and do have pleasurable sex. FGM can range anywhere from removal of the clitoral hood to full removal of the clitoris and labia minora. While male circumcision in the west is a religious/cultural tradition with its roots in cleanliness, it's considered a religious/coming of age tradition in many African countries. FGM is about keeping women chaste while their husbands are away at war. The whole point is to remove pleasure from the act and thus control…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/17 12:01 PM
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Ah, I see your point now. I can see how existence in modern reality could feel limiting and emasculating from that point of view.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/17 07:58 PM
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Seppuku was historically a matter of honor. I don't particularly agree that it was wise or reasonable, but I understand the difference in culture and I can respect the tradition and implications of the act. Killing oneself due to depression is nothing like seppuku. Getting on pharma and numbing your mind or trying to mimic women will just lead to more suffering I'm Eh, we can agree to disagree there. About pharma, I mean. I don't have much of an opinion on your latter point. I will say that only…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/17 06:27 PM
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You're very caught up in semantics. Is the message that society encourages men not to show weakness clear? That's what I was going for. Also, again, first definition. Stoicism: The endurance of pain or hardship without a display of feelings and without complaint. "she accepted her sufferings with remarkable stoicism" an ancient Greek school of philosophy founded at Athens by Zeno of Citium. The school taught that virtue, the highest good, is based on knowledge, and that the wise live in harmony …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/17 05:36 PM
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Stoic: a person who can endure pain or hardship without showing their feelings or complaining. a member of the ancient philosophical school of Stoicism. We're referencing the first definition. The word is commonly used that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/17 01:09 PM
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You're very focused on the example of crying. As you've said in this thread, that's hardly the core of the issue. The point of the specific message you're criticizing is that men, for many reasons, don't believe they are allowed to be vulnerable enough to talk to someone in the months or minutes before they shoot themselves. Or ever, really. The reasons for this issue are myriad. They include societal pressures toward stoicism, unfair treatment in divorce and child custody, tendency toward impul…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/17 09:26 PM
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I see what you mean. It's a cyclical problem that will require a systematic approach. There was apparently some success in suicide reduction with the community-wide effort that the Air Force implemented. That's positive, at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/17 08:16 PM
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I perceive the patriarchy to be the remnants of the old school western Judeo-Christian tradition. If you examine highly traditional (especially Evangelical) Christian sects, you will still see teachings about gendered spheres of influence, purity obsession, male superiority in the eyes of god, etc. This line of thinking is receding, and I do believe that is partially because of the work of feminism and/or female equality in the traditionally male sphere. It's also partially because of advances i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/17 06:28 PM
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Not particularly, then again I've had relationships with both men and women and enjoyed both immensely. It's just like a heterosexual person being attracted to someone other than their partner. You're monogamous with one person, but that doesn't mean you're not attracted to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/17 05:25 PM
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The incidence of male suicide is an often ignored issue. There are a number of contributing factors to the exceptionally high rates of suicide among men, and one of them is lack of help-seeking behavior. Men are conditioned to man up and not talk about their feelings, so they don't get help when they need it and end up acting decisively on suicidal thoughts much more often than women. Treating men like women or putting down masculinity definitely isn't my goal. I would just like to see more men …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/17 05:19 PM
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I gave the trailer a try, because that's what you do on a debate sub. Seriously guys, how can you effectively counter an argument without listening to the other side? The message itself isn't derogatory. It is the same point that MRAs make about how restrictive the traditional male stereotype is, with an added dose of "femininity isn't wrong." Being discouraged from crying or showing any weakness harms men, see rates of male suicide. Being expected to provide at all costs and demonstrate superio…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/17 01:26 PM
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A large body of scientific research documents four important gender differences in sexuality. First, on a wide variety of measures, men show greater sexual desire than do women. Second, compared with men, women place greater emphasis on committed relationships as a context for sexuality. Third, aggression is more strongly linked to sexuality for men than for women. Fourth, women's sexuality tends to be more malleable and capable of change over time. These male-female differences are pervasive, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/17 02:39 AM
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O.o Alchemy - as in the forerunner to chemistry? Do you think women have zero innate sexuality? I see this around here more often than I would have expected. It's not the same as male sexuality, but it's there.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 09:16 PM
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Bisexuals exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 08:57 PM
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I'm not sure what you're getting at. I think we're agreeing? Sex is a mutual activity that should benefit both partners. Nobody, save for the thirstiest of the thirsty, wants to continue having sex with someone who doesn't even try to make it feel good for them. Starfish sex is awful for everyone. I guess the embodiment of Chad could get away with being shit in the sack. "Chad" isn't supposed to be into LTRs anyway. From what I understand, he would get his and move on to the next. I don't subscr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 07:17 PM
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I was going to say roughly the same as u/shoup88. Women typically have higher demands on relationship quality, they're more likely to escalate to a relationship quicker and more likely to be dissatisfied. It makes sense to me that they would break up more often. (Please note, the rates of female relationship dissolution are reduce to roughly equal with men when marriage is not a factor. Men are more hesitant to commit and less likely to leave once they're committed.) That being said, I personall…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 06:16 PM
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Masters and Johnson's 1979 study on lesbian sexual practices concluded that lesbian sexual behaviors more often have qualities associated with sexual satisfaction than their heterosexual counterparts, focusing on more full-body sexual contact, rather than genital-focused contact, less preoccupation or anxiety about achieving orgasm, more sexual assertiveness and communication about sexual needs, longer lasting sexual encounters and greater satisfaction with the overall quality of one's sexual li…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 05:35 PM
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I see your point here and I do recognize a difference between someone foaming at the mouth with abject hatred and someone opposing his methods or beliefs. There are enough people in the former camp on the left that it obscures the message of the latter camp. I personally find the man disgusting, but I also believe I have legitimate reasons for opposing him. Here is an argument from a conservative viewpoint that I, as a female liberal, agree with. http://thefederalist.com/2016/02/29/5-reasons-eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 03:34 PM
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What is a very clear cut and simple concept? The one that neither you or I like? Lol I dislike the term toxic masculinity precisely because it oversimplifies a complex issue. It's a buzzword that promotes a shallow, negative connotation with half the population. Toxic behavior would be a better term than toxic masculinity. Toxic adherence to stereotypes. Toxic societal influence. Toxic extremes. Toxic polarity. Assigning masculinity or femininity to toxic behavior, albeit inadvertently, promotes…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 02:54 PM
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That is your conclusion, sure. A man can be both positively selfish and positively masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 02:20 PM
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It's not that black and white, surely you get that. Nor should a woman always put her own interests first. Someone who always puts their interests first in all situations would be acting in a narcissistic manner and generally be unpleasant to be around. A person should consider their personal needs, including their happiness, and make meeting those needs a priority in their lives. Allowing societal expectations to supercede personal needs is unhealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 02:19 PM
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Yes. I would encourage men to be somewhat selfish and make their own health and happiness a priority. No one can be an effective human being without taking care of themselves. That doesn't mean we should be self absorbed assholes, but that it's good to be aware of our needs and try to meet them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 02:09 PM
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I don't care for that term. A man who refuses medical care, often needlessly and at his own expense, for the financial wellbeing of his family is misguided.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 02:00 PM
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This is a great point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 01:44 PM
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I believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 01:41 PM
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You asked for examples of people telling men to put themselves first over providing for their families from elsewhere in the thread. No one has phrased it that way within the thread because you didn't ask for that in your OP. You asked for positive examples of traditional masculinity. In my experience, which I just gave you in another post, men have internalized this message to the point that any dissent from the "man provides" narrative is often shot down by the man himself. I don't care for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 01:39 PM
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You're turning an issue where people are demonstrating care for their loved ones and men in general into a battle to prove a point that no one really cares about men. These people are actively telling you that they care about the men in their lives. No sane person wants their father/husband/brother/son dead. Geezus. I am in a similar situation with my husband. He needs to see a neurologist, but he shoots down any plan I bring him to pay for his care. He refuses to be seen until he is "taken to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 01:33 PM
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That's not a particularly reasonable standard, and not what you asked for in your OP. I pointed out that people here are concerned about the men in their lives not taking care of themselves. I'm certain you've seen the posts, as you have since replied to them. I gave you all positive traits that I admire. You didn't answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 12:53 PM
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Have you missed all of the posts here about how people wish their men would take care of their physical health better and/or see a doctor? Miss a day of work so you can go to the doctor? That's an excellent example of taking care of yourself first. Reaching out for mental health services? Taking care of yourself. I would add not allowing intimate partners to treat you poorly and indulging in hobbies you enjoy as well. Now, positive traditionally masculine traits that I appreciate. Being clear he…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 03:14 AM
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Absolutely. Point being that prior to modern divorce practices, unhappy people didn't leave their marriages. I may have been too vague in my earlier comment. Commitment is the back bone of the traditional nuclear family. Non-traditional arrangements prioritize happiness of the individuals, which requires work from both partners to maintain that happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 02:23 AM
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Correct. The nuclear family is much less important today than it was up until thirty or forty years ago. We have mixed families now with parents who prioritize their happiness over the biological family unit. This has both good and bad consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 02:17 AM
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I think this approach to marriage is all about fluffing this guy's limp ego. Demanding respect is not the way to get it, in my opinion. It just comes off as petulant and self absorbed. (For the record, I don't actually know who this post is in reference to.) For the love of god, sex should not be a chore. By demanding sex whenever you want it, no holds barred save illness, you're diminishing an act that should be pleasurable to the status of dishes. Or vacuuming. Or dusting. Don't demand that yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 02:13 AM
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Not in the traditional sense. Traditional marriage is an institution built upon the family bond. Male head, female helpmeet and strict parenting practices. Also almost always hardcore religion. Commitment over satisfaction, happiness and attraction is the back bone of the nuclear family.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 01:23 AM
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No need for a draft since the advent of advanced war technology like drones, etc. There are plenty of poor kids for recruiters to farm out of the public school system to meet our live personnel needs. It's never been a fair institution and there has been a resistance against it, which has included women as part of the larger anti-war movement, since at least 1898. Women weren't drafted, of course, but their sons were. http://depts.washington.edu/antiwar/vietnam_draft.shtml As long as men are req…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 08:58 PM
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You're not quite following my point, but ok. I'm fully aware of that data. I'm not arguing that women are wonderful. I'm arguing that lots of people, of both genders, have issues that cause harm to themselves and their partners. Any woman who has been burned by an intimate partner could harbor the same aversion that RP men do of women. Both sides of this argument think the other side is ridiculous. This group-think about how the other gender is all together horrible is unhealthy for everyone inv…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 08:14 PM
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Military maneuvers are typically controlled and well thought out. We can also observe incredible acts of savagery and plunder after those maneuvers. Take the rape of Nanking, the sacking of Rome and the plague of war-rape and civilian murder in the Congo. The nature of violence is ultimately destructive, like fire. It can be harnessed and controlled, but it will gladly burn down the city if left unchecked.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 06:27 PM
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The literal definition of hypergamy is: The action of marrying a person of a superior caste or class This comes down to the 80/20 argument. That argument being that the top 20 percent of men attract all the hypergamous women and thus get to live out the polygynous ideal as the embodiment of Chad. I interpret hypergamy a little differently than most, but that's neither here nor there. I can agree that the term polgynous/polygyny in this context is flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 05:54 PM
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Also, when are people NOT attracted to multiple women? Eh, that's kind of the point in differentiating between "hypergamy" and "polygyny." Women are often sexually attracted to one person at a time. Men are often sexually attracted to more than one person at a time. There are people who don't fit those molds in both groups, but those appear to be the general trends. I get your point about the implications of referring to men as having polygynous nature, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 05:11 PM
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Correct. Men who do not want to beat women (or men), but end up doing it anyway are buckling to their testosterone and losing control. Men who lose control of themselves in this way are not the ones you generally want heading up a military unit. Not if you want your unit to survive, anyway. Instances of violence are not apples to apples.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 05:02 PM
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Wartime violence is controlled, mostly. It is means to an end that is beneficial to at least one side of a given conflict between societies. Reasons to go to war can be good or bad. Beating someone who looks at you the wrong way in a bar indicates a fundamental lack of control and often insecurity. Many instances of every day violence boil down to this. Going Green River Killer on a multitude of prostitutes indicates a controlled violence of which the only benefit is the perpetrator's pleasure. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 04:49 PM
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You're arguing semantics with someone who ultimately agrees with you. Most men don't want polygamous relationships. Is there a better term for male sexual attraction that you would rather use? It's been covered here ad nauseum how male and female sexual desire differ. Do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 04:34 PM
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Pardon me for agreeing with you. I was referring to the concept of ploygynous nature as it is presented in RP theory. Not the practice of polygyny. The nature part of the term refers to a man's tendency to be sexually attracted to (or find sexually viable) many females. This nature does not necessarily translate to relational desire. Men may find many people sexually attractive, but they typically do not desire to build intimate relationships with everyone they find sexually attractive. Thus, wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 03:56 PM
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You guys are really latched onto this narrative. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18331257 Out of 19,307 people who answered this survey, "1.8% of sexually active people (2.2% of men, 1.3% of women) said they had been involved in BDSM in the previous year." Even inflated three times, the number of women who practice BDSM (including dommes and switches) is very low compared to the general population. http://www.nature.com/ijir/journal/v19/n4/full/3901547a.html This online survey of 5,000 indiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 03:38 PM
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To me, "polygynous nature" just means that men are much more easily visually attracted to large swaths of women. As in, the sight of a physically attractive woman triggers sexual desire. This trigger definitely doesn't equate to the desire for a poly relationship or harem. It just describes how male sexual attraction works. Most men differentiate between base physical attraction and relational desire. I.E. pump and dump vs. girlfriend material.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 07:00 PM
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but women are statistically the gender freer of the worthier emotions Source? Anecdotes from an online space dedicated to this sort of thinking don't equate to reality. There are legitimate differences in emotional processing and expressivity between the sexes, but I've yet to see any evidence that men have more "good" emotions than women. The point I was trying to make is that overwhelmingly negative perceptions of the opposite sex are rampant on both sides of the aisle. These perceptions are t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 05:48 PM
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For the sake of this argument, sure. It's not the only human behavioral "disease" by far, though. Lots of people of both genders are burned by the opposite sex. Such is life. It's misguided, if typical human nature, to zero in on the misdeeds of the out group while ignoring the misdeeds of the in group. You see this behavior in both extremes of the gender wars. It's the never ending "women are hypergamous whores who only want you for your wallets and will always play the victim" VS. "men are vio…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 04:43 PM
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Mortgage payments in my area are also frequently less than rent. People run into issues with credit ratings and low average income, though, that keep them from being able to qualify for loans or save up for a down payment. Not to mention the need for adequate transportation to facilitate a commute. There is little to no decent employment in rural areas, coupled with zero public transport. Poverty is a very difficult cycle to break, and the majority of young people in this area come from poor fam…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 04:01 PM
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It probably is relatively easy for people who have means to begin with. Discipline doesn't typically accomplish as much as home ownership when you're an 18-20 year old, poor or LMC minimum wage worker. Other priorities like food and shelter take immediate precedence. Then priorities like car ownership/leasing and looking for a better job or education come into play. Aside from a lack of means, there's little to no reason to buy a house if you may need to relocate in order to find decent educatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 03:57 PM
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The same applies to women who are burned by a/immoral men. Shit happens and damn near everyone sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 03:12 PM
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This is an excellent explanation. People often go into parenthood at least somewhat blind to every little frustrating detail it entails. So many folks believe children are the answer to the question "Why aren't I happy?" Children are wonderful, but they're not some magic cure for unfulfilled potential and they are absolutely not some magic cure for a gulf in a relationship. We're only as strong as our healthiest coping mechanism. Right on.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 12:59 PM
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PMI plus decent enough credit to qualify for a mortgage in the first place. Fresh high school grads (where I'm from) generally don't have the income or credit to afford any of that. I'm talking kids who work retail and fast food here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 12:20 PM
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I'm going to latch onto your mention of sex ED here. Teaching kids how to adequately delay reproduction makes a HUGE difference in poverty for everyone. Single mothers are poor, their children grow up poor and their exes are shackled to child support payments. The states with the highest teen pregnancy rates are easily some of the poorest in the nation, they vehemently oppose any reality based sex education and demonize abortion to the point of making it damn near unattainable. http://www.ncsl.o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 02:05 AM
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Huh. What area of the country are you in, out of curiosity? I'm in the south and no young people are buying here. I imagine that's because no young people are making any money here, but still.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 01:32 AM
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How do guys fresh out of high school have money for down payments?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 01:08 AM
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Whatever you say, Bucko. Universal basic income is far from slavery. No need for slaves when automation does the majority of basic labor and administrative work, anyway. http://www.businessinsider.com/map-shows-most-job-will-be-lost-to-automation-2017-5
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 10:27 PM
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TIL lady slaves never existed. Who knew?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 10:00 PM
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Right but there's absolutely nothing to force her to gestate. If she unilaterally decides to not to abort and keep the pregnancy, she should unilaterally have to pay for it for 18 years. If this isn't the case then abortions should be fully illegal, because the same "too bad you shouldn't have had sex" mentality applies. I don't agree with you entirely here, but I am sympathetic to the point. I don't think we will get anywhere with this idea as long as the government (and taxpayers) prefer child…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 01:32 AM
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Women are bi because men imitate and push boundaries and basically uncover the sexuality women are scared to. It was in reference to that. It sounds like you think men are the key to unlocking women's interest in the female body. I just thought it was a very odd statement. It was contradictory to my own experience, so I mentioned it. Not women in general, but when you see this "guys are so dumb they think all this three ring circus porn is real that's why I watch hairy armpit lesbo porn hurr hur…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 01:23 AM
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Do you mean freely give up their parental rights as in safe haven surrenders? Is there a mechanism of surrender that I'm unaware of? Adoption ideally includes consent from the father as well, but can proceed without it if the father is unknown or unable to be contacted. People get around this, but that's how the process is supposed to work. Adoption agencies are required to make a reasonable effort, specifically via putative father registries, to notify the father. http://www.americanadoptions.c…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 12:43 AM
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Well sure, people want to adopt infants more than older kids. Never heard that perspective on it, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/17 10:17 PM
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Not the only argument at all. The main argument is that giving up parental rights infringes on the chances the child will have to thrive and foists responsibility for the child onto the state. Physical abortion does not result in a child, but financial abandonment currently significantly harms children. The argument I see most often is that the rights of the child supercede the rights of the non-custodial parent. Women are more often custodial in these instances because they're the ones who give…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/17 09:36 PM
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O.o I was into chicks way before I was into guys. Anecdote, I know. Just throwing it out there. I'm not sure how a man could have intimidated me into having tingly feelings about my older brother's girlfriend at nine years old, but sure. I'm not really certain what you're trying to communicate. All I'm saying is that porn with gratuitous foreplay is geared toward people who like gratuitous foreplay. Most men don't. That doesn't mean women think they're better than men. I don't understand how you…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/17 08:51 PM
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Sure, those women probably do really enjoy fucking in front of a camera. That's the point, though. The doing in front of a camera for money is exhilirating, as are some of the wacky antics they get up to. "That 3 foot long dildo is going where??? Most women just generally don't have sex like that. Real lesbian porn focuses a lot more on sensual aspects of sex that feel good to women. That's why guys so often think it's lame. It's not made for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/17 03:53 PM
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As far as I know, it's just "female Peter Pan". I've also seen the moniker Princess Pan, lol. If you're asking if women are shamed for not acting their age, the answer is yes. It is assumed that there is something wrong with a woman who doesn't have a relationship, place of her own, job or child by thirty. People, male or female, are often hesitant or afraid to step out of their comfort zone and take full responsibility for themselves. Thus you get Peter Pans.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/17 03:11 PM
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Funnily enough, it's totally possible to reach the g-spot that way. Depending on individual anatomy, of course, but still. I think that's a big reason so many women like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/17 03:01 AM
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Funnily enough, this guy doesn't define fat or violence at all. He could mean slightly overweight, obese, run of the mill BDSM or rape fantasies. He doesn't ever specify, which likely means it's a mixture of all of it. He states that 1 in 100 searches is for elderly people. Not 1 in 100 men are into them. We would need more data to quantify what that means, this guy suggests that that's "hundreds of thousands of young men", so not huge, but not tiny either. Statistically relevant, anyway. He als…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/17 02:48 AM
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Oh yeah, cleaning is definitely not my top priority either. This conversation sort of turned into one about cleanliness, but this post applied more to chores and errands both. How the differences in approach and perspective between men and women often contribute to the stereotypes on the lazy husband and nagging wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/17 02:30 AM
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I like how you point out the bit about violence and anal, but leave out the mention of fat chicks and elderly people. I can do it, too: Tons of young men are secretly attracted to old women and fat chicks! AMALT, bitches! Seriously, though. Fantasy does illustrate desire. It's also a safe way to indulge in and control desires you would otherwise never partake in due to myriad fears and inhibitions. Like fucking an old flabby lady, or violence. Humans, male and female, are all about control and e…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/17 01:27 AM
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Buahahaha. Fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 08:31 PM
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You're an E type, I think. ENTJ?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 07:41 PM
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She probably just knows it will end up there and, like you said, obsesses about it. Women are also more sensitive to smell than men, on average. Sooooo maybe she smells it? I dunno. Jk, sort of. I've noticed similar behavior in my husband. He will do the dishes when he cooks as a matter of course. He waits until there's trash overflowing all over the floor to take it out, though. We've compromised in that I change out the bag and he takes it out to the dumpster when I put it outside. Works for u…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 06:58 PM
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Lol! No shit. My eight year old step daughter can create an hour of cleaning in all of ten minutes without even trying. Children are really tiny mess tornados. I am by no means a clean freak. If anything, I'm probably messy by typical female standards. I still HATE being in an environment I think is gross. Clutter doesn't bother me nearly as much as an overflowing trash can or a sink full of dirty dishes. There is an actual physical sensation of discomfort for me when my place is trashed. My hus…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 06:29 PM
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Female, purple, INFJ. I learn very well from written instructions and I communicate best via written means as well. I can learn a lot about a person from a story, but I would rather learn how to do my job by reading a procedure or taking notes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 06:14 PM
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Very true. Fair compromise and understanding are necessary from both sides, particularly when both parties work. IME, women are way too often unaware of how much their negative feedback impacts their spouses. It's an ugly, self perpetuating loop. Curtailing that criticism and desire for everything to be just so can help motivate men to contribute more to caring for their environment. I think, anyway. It can at least keep from demotivating them as you detailed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 05:15 PM
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Like the guy in my source said, you might run into unfair judges and have to appeal. Judges can use their own judgement, but they still have to abide by the law. Those judges not applying the law fairly should be reprimanded. If a man in France tries to contest paternity outside of the time limit, he is assumed to have accepted paternity and cannot contest it. That's true, and I can imagine a judge might deny a test at that point because there's no legal reason to have one. That is a problem tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 03:11 PM
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Do you have a legitimate source stating that french men cannot ever contest paternity? This is the best explanation of how this law works I've been able to find without purchasing a book on the topic or learning french. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2tidar/explanations_about_the_french_law_on_paternity French men have five years after the birth of a child presumed to be theirs to contest paternity, and they must request a paternity test through the court. This is a restriction, no…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 02:13 PM
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Women often perceive men as lazy because men aren't wired to constantly notice everything like women are. We see dishes that need to be done, things that need to be fixed, items that need to be picked up from the grocer, etc. Men take one thing at a time, from what I understand. Women end up exhausted, wondering why their men won't help out and men end up frustrated that their women won't chill out. Hence the perpetual perception of laziness. And the perpetual perception of nagging.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 01:30 PM
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I'll bite. Women who are unemployed and living with their parents at thirty are pathetic. I hardly think there's any broad societal message that communicates women who do that are okie dokie and men who do it are shit. You may be too caught up in manosphere rhetoric if this is the message you're getting. The only message I've seen in this regard is the one where people talk about how awful the economy/education is for young adults, leading to more of them living with their parents for longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 01:26 PM
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Yeah, he would have to then seek a court order and get another test done at a court accepted lab to contest paternity. I imagine that scenario isn't super common. Most women who are aware they cheated and then lied about it wouldn't consent to a paternity test anyway. 'Cause shitty people do shitty things and whatnot.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 01:17 PM
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Still here, still selling fake doors!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 12:46 PM
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