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Question for RedPillradialomens/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 02:03 AM
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Surely you understand that an individual does not prove a generality wrong.
/r/MensRights17/04/16 05:09 AM
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This guy is the director of the comedy mockumentary 'No Men Beyond This Point.' He's a comedian. Maybe it's a joke? I mean, there's no need for a victim complex in this sub, right? Wouldn't want to start taking offense at silly things....
/r/MensRights17/04/16 05:05 AM
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Yes. If your partner says "No, stop" repeatedly (and you haven't established that you both like it that way) and you keep going (because she isn't physically struggling, or because she's quiet), you probably raped her. If your partner is unconscious (and you haven't established that you guys like it that way), that's rape. If your partner is crying the whole time and you don't know why, that might be rape. While these are obvious cases of rape -- or reasons to stop because duh -- to many readers…
/r/MensRights17/04/16 04:57 AM
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Alright, cool, so provide anything that backs you up instead of just insisting a definition means what you want it to mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 10:55 PM
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Jesus Christ WTF are you on about
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 10:35 PM
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Did...you seriously just excise the snark and hate from his reply to make your point? Seriously? It was Dylan and Eric 2.0 with more malignant narcissism and violent psychopathy. This is why these TRP man-babies are so fucking unsettling to me. I wanted to believe that kind of mentality is something people grow out of via maturity or mental health care like I did. Of feeling like a freak and that the deck is stacked against you. Luckily, in the end I still possessed enough clarity and self-aware…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 10:17 PM
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No. That's why I said "In most cases, no" in response to the question of whether I still claim someone is a criminal. Obviously word alone is not evidence. As much as people would like to think that's what I'm saying, it's not. I am saying that sometimes there can be lots of evidence and the conviction never occurs, sometimes because of a technicality. I am saying that just because a conviction doesn't occur doesn't mean a rape didn't happen. I am saying our justice system is not perfect. Activi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 10:06 PM
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I have said already that in most cases, the vast majority in fact, I don't care to argue with the verdict. However, you made the assertion that "its only rape if you can prove its rape in a court of law." You were wrong. I don't give a shit whether you think any specific individual is guilty or not. I'm not making statements of guilt for any specific individuals. I am telling you that what you said was wrong. Stop moving goalposts. "Just admit it."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 10:04 PM
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Holy fuck what a hamster. We simply can't say that laws were broken without evidence that proves laws were broken. What we say doesn't determine truth. A law is broken if something against it was done, it doesn't require us to come to a consensus. You're talking in circles and you're not saying anything true. These terms do not require evidence, knowledge or consensus to be true. They are acts. A conviction requires evidence, etc. If a tree falls in the forest and no one's around to hear it, it …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 09:49 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/2rsyph/has_trp_existed_about_a_decade_ago_i_probably/ When I read Elliot Rodger's manifesto it wasn't anything new to me. I was reading and nodding in agreement with crackpot navel-gazing like that back in 2000. .... I know that feeling of desperation and rejection. Of feeling like a freak and that the deck is stacked against you. Luckily, in the end I still possessed enough clarity and self-awareness to realize that it was me and not everyone else. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 09:44 PM
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Objectively speaking a rapist is someone who rapes. "Rape" does not require a conviction: noun 1. unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim. Is a thief who's never caught not a thief? A murderer not a murderer? An arsonist not an arsonist? These definitions involve acts which are against the law, but their use does not req…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 09:33 PM
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This is an absolutely moronic argument. "X would totally happen; I know you guys better than you know yourselves." Would you tolerate me saying "I know how TRPers are" with zero evidence? Does it make any sense for a BPer to go to this thread and say all the TRPers are being disingenuous? Also, how exactly would you describe the "BP Moral Behavior rulebook"?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 09:25 PM
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Demanding proof be presented prior to convicting someone of a violent felony is a joke to you? Pretending conviction = truth is a joke. TRP should be highly aware of all the times a conviction was not accurate. The lack of conviction can be the same. I would argue calling a person a "rapist" when they were not found guilty of the crime, is slander. I think believing the criminal justice system is perfect is naive. People get off on technicalities. Some crimes are never solved. Some people are wr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 09:11 PM
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A murder also leaves a dead body, also known as evidence. A dead body is no more evidence of a murder than sperm in my pussy is evidence of rape. Strong evidence of murder is man-inflicted wounds. Strong evidence of rape is being found bound and gagged, etc. Still, neither of these necessarily implicate a specific individual of being guilty of murder or rape. Also, sometimes there is no body. Sometimes there is no evidence of rape (sperm, etc.) In these cases, the murderer/rapist is never convic…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 09:07 PM
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I can't tell if you're parodying TRP right now. If you're being serious, that is not the relationship between laws and truth. If the man is not convicted, you don't have to believe he was guilty. However, we all recognize that guilty people can get off due to lack of evidence. A murder was a murder regardless of the verdict. That's human fallibility. I don't mean you're obligated to call a man a rapist when he's found not guilty, but he might be.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 07:28 PM
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What you posted wasn't a cry for help, it was an explanation for why he's RP. Unless you think being RP is a cry for help? BPers here are expressing compassion, you just don't believe it because you don't think we're capable of it. This is exactly what confirmation bias is. "I'll believe it when I see it. I don't see it because I don't believe it." C'mon man, you're being pretty blatant about it right now. You saying this guy has fixed himself is like a radical Muslim telling me I need to like h…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 05:11 PM
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Some here are - just not blue pill types. Again, just confirmation bias. Don't tell me whether I'm capable of compassion and I won't tell you whether you're a rapist wannabe. What do you think about the man in the link above - ridicule or compassion? Sympathy for the guy he used to be, definitely. He needed therapy. I believe he had good reason to feel depressed and suicidal. 12 years without validation of your sexual worth is enough to drive anyone to desperation. He mentions a marriage counsel…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 07:30 AM
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I honestly believe that if some guy went to the BP asking what he was doing wrong and why he doesn't have any luck, then (if the post didn't get deleted for being off-topic - not sure how strict the mods are) it would receive sympathetic replies and advice. You have a glaring confirmation bias going right now. You can't even believe that people here are genuinely sympathetic for a depressed and suicidal man simply because we reject a school of thought which is at best misogynistic. I disagree wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 06:23 AM
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Does TRP really recommend C? Sounds pretty fucking dangerous. Especially because TRP probably recognizes that a lot of people taking its advice aren't natural alphas so they're newbies at learning how to socialize and read people. I wouldn't give a gallon of kerosene to a 10 year old and expect him to use it right.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 06:10 AM
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Because you're posing two different scenarios in how he approaches the sub. First you said he asks why he's unlucky. The second one he's blaming women for his problems. If he asked TBP why he's unlucky with women, they'd probably offer him kind advice. If he tells them that women will only date men with those standards, there would be some people telling him he's a shithead, some people saying he's just a troll, and some trying to fix him.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 06:01 AM
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So when someone is saying no but you think they actually want to do it, how do you proceed? (And if you think they're serious?)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 05:57 AM
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how to work out if it is last minute resistance or an actual No Can you provide a briefing on how to identify and respond to LMR or an "actual" no?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 05:41 AM
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Go to /r/twoxchromosomes, look up the popular false rape cases. Many people were calling for the punishment of these innocent men. Were the men proven not guilty at the time of the threads you refer to? We all know innocent until proven guilty, but some people get carried away and presume guilt right off the bat. These people aren't being rational, but they aren't calling for the punishment innocent men as a blanket term. By your logic, half of America wants to murder Casey Anthony. Millions of …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 05:39 AM
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This is not advisable with most women. I take it you've never dated a woman and told her "you are being irrational, here are the reasons why". This typically does not go over well, and would make problems worse for almost any man dealing with a woman in this capacity. You have to speak with tact, of course. No one likes being told, "You're wrong and here's why." The phrase would depend on the situation, but something like "I know it worries you to think we might have less income for a while. It …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 05:28 AM
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There's a key difference here. You initially said "asking why he doesn't have any luck with women." The note/blog is telling them why women don't like him. They're going to disagree with him telling them what they're willing to date. If he asks why he's unlucky, with some details about how he goes about things, he'd get a different response.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 05:21 AM
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I invite you to make such a thread. I mean, it's kinda off-topic, but you could phrase it like you've been tempted by RP and want to know what they think you should do. Might get by. EDIT: I am saying this hoping you don't go for an obvious bait tone and try to troll the sub. That obviously would not be welcome. Aaand I do feel like I might get in trouble suggesting you misrepresent yourself to "test" TBP, but I feel pretty confident people would respond kindly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 04:39 AM
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I wouldn't call this guy entitled. He sounds like he was depressed and needed some help. Generally I think the word entitled comes out when a person lashes out in anger, targeting the people he perceives have "wronged" him. When a person gets passed up for a job, and it's the 10th job this month, it's reasonable for him to feel depressed, low, desperate, etc. It's not reasonable or healthy for him to bitterly resent the individual manager who made conducted the interview. That manager was just m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 01:27 AM
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typically women find that the "fair" means of resolution is to listen to the person with the more intense emotional affect. Typically everyone is inclined to look out for their own self-interests first. If your partner is being irrational, point it out and reiterate your reasons. Hopefully you've chosen a person capable of some kind of discourse, and though it may take some time they'll stop being so self-centered. Otherwise, maybe this is the moment you realize you're dating someone you can't e…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 01:12 AM
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Just because I'm interested in women's issues does not mean I'm irrational. You're simply wrong in implying that advocacy for a single group necessitates taking it to the extreme. If there were a law on the ballot that a woman's votes count twice as much as a man's vote, I would reject it. It doesn't matter how much it benefits me. In fact, even if it were to say Democrats count twice as much as Republicans I would still oppose it even though it'd be a likely way to get the issues I care about t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 01:01 AM
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You will never see feminists asking for equal jail time for women doing the same crimes. You will never see feminists asking for non-custodial dads to have the same parenting time for kids. You will never see feminists making anti-rape posters where the rapist is female. You will never see feminists asking for women to be included in Selective Service. American women don't ask men out at the same rate as men ask out women, not by a long shot. Feminism has made advances, but there is no total equ…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 12:49 AM
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For relationships on the rocks where the woman thinks she's got the man completely whipped. Why not just end a relationship in which someone is trying to whip you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 12:37 AM
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You're interpreting "affected" to mean emotional, but I think it's meant to be actual. For example, if the husband wants to quit his job because it makes him miserable and the wife doesn't want him to, I think he has the right to quit his job. He's the one who has to do it every day. Unless she offers an alternative that would genuinely make him happy at work, his job affects him more. Her investment in his job is the money it provides them, but his investment is the income, his daily emotions, …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 12:33 AM
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We don't need two presidents because we have an executive (presidential), a legislative and a judicial branch with a system of checks and balances. Giving the "final say" to a single individual would be extremely dangerous. In the case of buying a new house, I think both parties need to agree before the decision is made. I'm not about to say inaction isn't an action of its own, but it should be the default in something life-changing like this. Remain constant unless both parties agree on change …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 12:30 AM
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Your mentality is "I might lose it someday, so why try?" When you think about applying for a job you'd love, do you think, "No, ten years down the road they could just fire me and leave me with nothing." Surprisingly enough, many people choose to be strong fathers because it's something they passionately desire and they aren't cripplingly obsessed about the bad things that could happen later. Also, even if you do get divorced you can still be in your children's lives. You can still care about th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 05:13 PM
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What motivation is there to be a strong father when women can divorce you at the drop of a hat and generally get full custody of the children? What...? Did you really just say those words? Are you a father? You should maybe ask a father that question. I think he'd have a sufficient answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 03:58 AM
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Alright, are we asking opinions or is this a law quiz?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 09:58 PM
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Weird, I thought that was my point. The question was, "What did feminism get wrong about dating?" and although you initially offered an example you're now saying "It doesn't say anything about dating advice."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 09:12 PM
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It's not so much that men disrespect women's opinions, but that men understand women's lives are objectively much easier and therefore their opinions are often times shallow, or valueless. Alright, so that's an abuse of the word "objectively." I'm not going to address dating right now. Let's say women have dating easier for a moment. There's more to life than dating. Women have a harder time climbing the career ladder. A lot of people like to point out that to an employer, women are inherently m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 08:58 PM
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How is feminism the mainstream when only 20% of Americans identify as feminists? Isn't this something TRP likes to bring up? How can you simultaneously feel persecuted?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 08:03 PM
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It's so funny TRP has this association with feminism=mainstream when they also boast about how fewer and fewer people/women are willing to identify with feminism. What's it at now? 20, 30%?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 07:57 PM
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It's really funny that neither BPer present currently is saying that. I have a feeling the trend will continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 07:30 PM
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I respect house cats. Compared to even a child, a house cat is retardedly dumb, and offers nothing to the world. I treat the cat the way I want to be treated because that's a maxim that makes sense to live by. If your cat had an opinion, would you listen to it? I know of no women that invalidate AWALT. This sentence is ridiculous to me because I can think of no women in my social circle who are like that. My advice to you is meet better women, because I can promise you they're out there. I've ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 07:29 PM
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And TRP is literally a rape manual. Thanks for your contribution; it was exceedingly useless and wrong <3
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 07:16 PM
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I disagree; neither party raped the other. I think that putting the "blame" on the person capable of penetration contributes to the notion that women are passive receivers in sex, not capable of initiating, contributing or participating. I do think, since you clearly want to discuss drunk sex vs. rape, that there are many nuances to consider. I like to bring up this analogy: If my cousin got me shit-faced in order to ask me for some dough, he's very, very close to being a thief. Especially if he…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 07:15 PM
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Really? Someone told you that and you thought, "Yeah, I don't need to cultivate an attractive personality or body; I only need respect"? If anyone told you the only thing you need is respect, they're just giving bad advice. Apply a little sanity to it and combine respect with things that are known to attract people. EDIT: It occurs to me that maybe whoever told you that said it because they noticed you weren't respecting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 06:57 PM
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I did add an edit to my post, but AWALT is the most misogynistic thing TRP has to offer. How can you respect someone who is inferior, emotional, and disloyal? I know, I know, AWALT doesn't mean AWALT, it's just teaching men to guard themselves; assume AWALT until proven innocent in order to protect yourself. But statements like "All black people are uneducated," "All black people are violent," "All black people are thieves; assume guilty until proven innocent to protect yourself," are a few of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 06:51 PM
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Remember the history of this comment thread. The question wasn't, "What does TRP get wrong?" I wasn't answering that question. It was "What does feminism say?" EDIT: Buuuuut, I am kinda drawn in. TRP lessons on the nature of women are contrary to respect. How can you respect someone who is inferior, emotional, and disloyal? Also, I think you can ask any TRPer and they will tell you where TRP and respect/politeness/courtesy conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 06:36 PM
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deference to a right, privilege, privileged position, or someone or something considered to have certain rights or privileges; proper acceptance or courtesy; acknowledgment: It's respect. Acknowledgment, courtesy, etc. Things like not talking to a person with condescension, or not disregarding their opinion right off the bat (when you consider the opinions of others).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 06:15 PM
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I'm not talking about respect to the level of admiration. I'm talking about a level just above misogyny, which AWALT is far, far below.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 06:04 PM
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"Treat women with respect because it's the right thing to do." It's not dating advice. I don't think feminism has dating advice except for women which is, "Don't date someone who doesn't respect you." Oh, and "Please, ladies, let's end the stuck up bitch stereotype." Feminism isn't a counter to TRP. It's not a dating manual. It's just about what needs to be done to take care of women's issues. (I know some people still define feminism as egalitarianism. I don't, I see it as specialization on wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 05:53 PM
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It is. The amount of sex being had by desirable people has increased.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 08:34 AM
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How is that feminism? Feminism isn't everything wrong/mainstream that's said.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 04:00 AM
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I watch porn rarely, maybe once a month or so, when my boyfriend's out of town. There is are very few genres that I actually like, but it's easy enough to find good stuff. I don't think there's any reason to censor any kind of porn except for nonconsensual photos like revenge porn. (Creepshots... they're just morally reprehensible, but I don't think they should be illegal or taken down, honestly.) I don't think there's any danger in porn. It's only a problem if it winds up in the hands of someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 01:59 AM
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Feminism gave me a model of reality that was so obviously wrong, and I could feel something was off. What model did feminism provide you, and what was wrong with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 01:50 AM
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I think there's a middle ground. Marrying in your late twenties or early thirties isn't unreasonable. In fact, even though I'm only interested in LTRs I don't plan on getting married before 27 just because people change so much in their twenties.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/15 01:42 AM
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This just doesn't make a goddamn bit of sense to me. You've got all these chicken-shit men who are basically doormats for women, who'll do everything and give everything for their mistresses, and somehow you accuse them of having a sense of entitlement? Has it ever occurred to you that "Nice Guys" treat women the way they do because they genuinely believe that women want to be treated that way? When was it implied "Nice Guys" don't think women want to be treated that way? I'm sure they believe i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 09:06 AM
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Are these guys who spout feminism (equal rights, etc) but carry the characteristics that make them fit in as "alphas" or are you getting turned on by the typical agreeable Blue Pills themselves? Is Blue Pill a type of guy, or is that just supposed to mean beta? From my understanding, BP is just being opposed to RP (which he is) and beta is a set of qualities that lets guys get walked over all the time. My boyfriend has a few alpha qualities: confidence, ambition, things that I think everyone agr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 08:36 AM
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Never did I feel I was "entitled" to reciprocation, but I found it ironic that the guys who were getting the hot girls had one thing in common... they were dicks..the opposite of what I had been raised to be. I've seen the same thing in reverse. When I was an ugly duckling in high school there were a few girls who were already bombshells. They never needed to cultivate a personality or treat other people like human beings (something TRP already observes) but they were never short on football pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 03:07 AM
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It's not. I don't virgin-shame men, I don't accuse TRPers of being fat, and I don't called anyone but a neckbeard a neckbeard. I hope this thread inspires both sides to drop the ridiculous slandering.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 02:17 AM
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Why do you feel "virgin" is more of a character assassination than "butch lesbian"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 02:15 AM
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In the case that SMV and RMV are distinct. Are money, achievements, intelligence, etc. SMV for a man, or RMV?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 03:45 AM
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In this case, a woman's SMV depreciates quickly as she ages while a man still has room to grow his SMV into his 40s. Do you believe this is true? No. In your opinion, what determines a woman's SMV? Her appearance. Which part are you disagreeing with in the first statement? A woman's SMV, though appearance-based, doesn't depreciate quickly when she ages? A man's doesn't appreciate?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 03:02 AM
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In that case do you think a man's SMV still factors in all those qualities that don't relate to looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 03:00 AM
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Can I ask what your definition of "nice guy behavior" is? Which part of it should have won women over?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 01:27 AM
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24, F, 3. Two of my partners were LTR, one lasting 2.5 years and the other a little over 1 year and continuing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 12:36 AM
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Way to romanticize cheating. You're pulling all of this out of your ass. Plenty of women who cheat do it for the sake of variety (new dick), and it gets that sexuality out of the way so they can come back and be a happy housewife again. You don't get to make up the narrative you like to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 06:35 AM
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Men cheat righteously, women cheat maliciously. Hahaha, that is fucking RICH.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 06:10 AM
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Maybe promiscuous women are bad at choosing men. Maybe she's easily deceived into dating scumbags, but 5-8 months in she realizes if she sticks around she's going to have to put up with a sack of waste for the rest of her life. So she moves on, but she hasn't learned anything and ends up with another scumbag. Her number continues to rise. This is one possible explanation for women with high numbers having higher divorce rates without it being part of her nature. Meeting the right guy will preven…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 05:25 AM
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A promiscuous man has every right for putting down (as in not date) a promiscuous woman. I don't think that's how "putting down" is meant. I think that refers to extra comments and assumptions like, "She's disloyal, she's selfish, she's worthless," etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 05:12 AM
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Personally I think attraction is way more complicated than TRP makes it, but if they insist incel is a (almost uniquely) male problem, and that women are always capable of getting sex whenever they seek it and generally able to score men with higher SMV than them, it follows that removing the stigma would give a few more men someone to sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 01:42 AM
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Cool, but we're talking about photos of naked women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 07:11 AM
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It's not a full solution, but if we flood the market with willing women we'll reduce a woman's ability to score a lay above her league. Unattractive women will have to aim lower. Of course, there are probably some people who are so repulsive in their looks and their attitude that they will remain incel without radical self-improvement, but they'll have less of an excuse. This is a pretty rudimentary way of looking at it, and personally I think a lot more goes into attraction than looks, but over…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 02:24 AM
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Obviously the act of having a discussion about racial violence is not racist. If you put a spin on it, make larger generalizations, or suggest a reactionary response to race and crime you have probably been called racist for that. It still does not suffice as a response to the point. I'm sorry you've had unsatisfactory discussions about other unrelated topics in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 02:16 AM
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This is such a non-response it sounds like you just resent having been called racist in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 01:58 AM
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There are website that cater to revenge porn. They aren't creators, but they collect and distribute.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/15 01:56 AM
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Seeing some of the other comments, I have a question: What in the world would an article about revenge porn look like if it didn't discuss the distributors and consumers? So many people complain about feminism and TBP making things PC. Are we too uncomfortable to acknowledge that men drive a large portion of the porn industry?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 10:04 PM
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That is a single study with 25 participants. That's not indicative of anything. Also, while it states that a low 2D:4D ratio is indicative of testosterone exposure, I don't see anything relating a low 2D:4D ratio among women to their attractiveness. You can't invent in your mind what these women must look like based in their digit ratio. This is extremely weak support. You need something that proves causation between low digit ratio and unattractive features, and 25 people is not going to cut it…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 09:59 PM
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If rapists did indeed have an incel problem it suggests we can solve it somehow, but the solutions for that aren't very radfem I find lots of helping factors within feminism/radfem. Removing the stigma of promiscuity among women would be a nice start, but TRP is kinda shooting themselves in the foot when they simultaneously decry women with high numbers and lament the "women have sex, men want sex" gender dynamics. Also, much of radfem rhetoric is in favor of legalizing prostitution so sex worke…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 09:23 PM
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I agree with this. Especially with children, domestic care can be more than a fulltime job with no weekends off. The working partner should be willing to pitch in. Partners who refuse to help from morning to bedtime... well, I don't think they should have had kids in the first place. If the non-working partner agrees to do 98% of the domestic chores and on some occasions asks the working partner to chip in an extra 5-10%, hopefully the working partner will do so without complaint. Hopefully the …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 09:15 PM
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Do you think there is an actual problem of misandry in feminism? Yes. Some people are batshit crazy, and feminism is comprised of people. Do you agree that unattractive women are drawn to feminism? I don't think there's any way to establish they're more drawn to it than attractive women. I don't personally think unattractive women are disproportionately represented among feminists. I think they get more attention because, like people calling MRAs neckbeards, people want to put an image on femini…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 08:49 PM
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Obligation/what you should do/responsibility =/=ethics. It's a moral obligation. What other type of obligation could it be? It's certainly not a legal obligation. It's not an obligation of employment. In what sense is a person obliged to treat others well except morally? [I'm going to take a crack at what you might say here: social obligation? "Social" merely means it regards social interaction (which we knew already) or that it is imposed on us by society. In that case, society is either imposi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 07:57 AM
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You fail to understand this is an all or nothing concept. ... It's either everyone is a fucking grown up and responsible for the actions they take. Or you can be held accountable for any sleight or offense or unjustice anyone you meet might have against you. And they say TBP mentality is black-and-white. This is absolutely not all or nothing. You don't owe the same loyalty to a boss as you do to a friend. You don't owe the same support to a classmate as you do to your child. You don't owe the sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 07:05 AM
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It's much more difficult to establish a CEO's moral obligation to a consumer than it is to establish that of sexual partners or individuals in a LTR. I believe the latter exists. The door is always "open" for people to support the former, as well, but the relationships aren't close enough to be equal. I think sexual relationships require a higher standard of ethics than a CEO-consumer relationship. Do you? You don't need malicious intent to be immoral. Malice is intent to harm. Being self-servin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 04:49 AM
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Here's where we get into another area where it's a problem that we're comparing humans and their behaviors to inanimate objects. I think it's tough to call cigarettes or alcohol immoral. They're just things. There is a slightly better argument calling a cigarette manufacturer immoral. There's a good argument calling someone who furnishes alcohol to an alcoholic immoral. The action, the awareness... I believe there's a level of responsibility that a cookie or a bottle of booze doesn't have. I can…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/15 01:27 AM
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ACALT. You created the cookie analogy as an example of an individual who knowingly becomes a part of someone else's problem. Though it doesn't fit the analogy, the cookie is motivated not to care about its detrimental effects on a person because it gets what it wants - it works, you get the diamonds. I do believe there is something wrong with that. My stance doesn't compare to warning people to be wary of black people because TRP isn't a demographic. I'm not even warning people to be wary of men…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 11:40 PM
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There are also millions of sites out there giving advice on eating right because people are desperate to get out of the cycles of bad decisions they make. People are seeking this information out. They don't like how they feel and they want to know how to change. I've never slapped a girl's boyfriend out of her hand. Don't exaggerate actions to pretend you've made a direct comparison. I also don't approach strangers unless they're asking for advice. In that case I give them the tools to recognize…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 10:11 PM
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There is a problem if the cookie is self-aware and recognizes its role in the bad decisions the obese person makes. There's a problem if it advertises itself as sugar-free. You are I are coming from entirely different philosophies regarding what we can or should do for others, what we can do for ourselves, and what to do when they conflict. From my end of it I believe in teaching people to defend themselves against cookies, and teaching cookies that there are other things they can be and still g…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 09:39 PM
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Bureaucracy? How in the fuck do you think I'm bringing bureaucracy into this? I'm not making TRP illegal. I'm expressing which actions I think are moral and immoral. You have one fucking anecdote about some pissy people. There are thousands of women who are thankful for their friends who got them to realize they were making bad decisions and compromising their happiness for the will of some asshole who doesn't see her as more than a walking vagina or a plate to spin. There are men, there are red…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 09:18 PM
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This is a parody of sorts of a concept by /r/theredpill. They have a term called AWALT where they say all women are hypergamous sluts incapable of love who only fuck Alphas and men with money. This OP is meant to bring out the absurdity and unhealthy perspective you noticed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 05:02 PM
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You absolutely cannot guarantee that. Do you not acknowledge that people can be pressured into doing things they don't want to do? TRP tactics are well-designed to prey on people with insecurities or who can be coerced into giving more than is good for them. It's not about agency, and I'll never take away a woman's right to sleep with a RP man. It's men and women both who face these situations. Men who are manipulated by women withholding an emotional or sexual connection are worth protecting, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 04:54 PM
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I'm confused. Are you being sarcastic? You seemed very BP last time I saw you around. It's funny that it's not clear whether you're ridiculing RP or honestly supporting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/15 07:01 AM
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The perk of being a living, sentient creature is that you get to decide your purpose. Many people cannot or choose not to reproduce. There are so many things that can make people happy besides orgasms and food. We're kind of beyond fucking being our purpose in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/15 06:45 AM
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As a feminist and nerd, this drama is so fucking weird to me. I don't get why it started. I feel like I fell asleep one day and this shit happened. I run in a circle of feminist nerds (men and women) and don't get why this is even a thing. Why are these groups throwing shit at each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/15 06:21 AM
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I made the mistake of not paying attention to usernames and thinking you were the person I responded to. Sorry. Dating advice is hard. Often if you get dating advice for a specific situation/person, I think the advice is nearly as likely to succeed as pure luck. It can help if you have some kind of distorted worldview, but we're all just people with our own perspectives. Other than that, the only useful advice is on how to look after your own feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/15 06:15 AM
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What if I tell you, "My boyfriend did this, and it worked"? One of the biggest problems with dating advice in general is that we're not unanimous. Some women are going to be extremely receptive to stuff that would turn other people off. Advice isn't going to be one-size-fits-all. RP, though, seems to recognize that if someone is not receptive you should cut your losses and move on. Do you think TRP has an accurate success:failure ratio in its field reports when one of the biggest lessons is to n…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/15 05:58 AM
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Can you give me an idea of the RP-endorsed approach? I was looking it up in order to give specific amendments, but most of what I found were guides on how to avoid it in the first place. My advice is very similar to this article, although the specific dialogue in that is jilted as hell and some of it is flat-out creepy and trying too hard. Essentially, don't push. I feel like RP probably agrees here because pushing is only going to make you look needy. From my perspective, the danger of pushing …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/15 05:44 AM
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he should constantly doublecheck his behavior on how he could negatively affect or just discomfort them, which - if he heeds that sort of advice - will lead to walk on eggshells around them. That is not a necessary result. Some guys who are paranoid about offending women -- too paranoid to approach them -- don't comprehend what can make a guy appear creepy. They don't understand women's concerns. Often their concern is how the interaction will make him feel rather than her. This is not the right…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/15 05:14 AM
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You're more likely to believe a man telling you what women want than a woman telling you what women want?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/15 04:29 AM
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What? Really? Are you RP because you aren't familiar with an alternative? Let's start somewhere. Which part of TRP would you like an alternative to?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/15 04:19 AM
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There's a problem when it comes by exploiting the insecurities of other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/15 04:17 AM
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Holy fuck, dude. The vagina often maintains moisture. The only time it's ever completely dry is after I've just wiped. You know way too little about female anatomy to try to create your own litmus test.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 06:51 PM
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To you, maybe that's what it is. It's pretty easy to see that this isn't the only or main motive of negging. You can simply google it: Low-grade insults meant to undermine the self-confidence of a woman You can also lower a girl’s social value in relation to yours with quick lines by negging women. Negging, as it is called, is in essence a trick. The idea is to undermine a woman's confidence Negging comes from the Pick Up Artist community and was a very popular method suggested to men who wanted…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 07:04 AM
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But most interestingly, we're slowly corrupted the bastion of BP thought as well, /r/TheBluePill. Its almost too good of a satire. I'm very curious what you mean by this. Do you mean trolls are changing TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 06:06 AM
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This is the first time I've heard it described as /u/rp132 put it. That I would normally call good-natured banter. Negging is a fairly recent term that's all about undermining a girl's self-confidence. I wouldn't really apply it to teasing between friends, but I don't feel like policing the word so eh.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 05:56 AM
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You don't have to prey on a woman's insecurities to have a successful, sexually fulfilling relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 05:50 AM
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And motive. If it's presented well I may not be able to tell it's a sleazebag thing, but if the guy's doing it to get a woman to vie for his approval it's manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 05:46 AM
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"I get what I want out of it" is an extremely poor excuse to subject women to the same manipulative behavior TRP accuses them using against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 05:32 AM
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If that's how you define negging, that's fine. Most negging as I've seen it implemented is blatantly about manipulating a woman into seeking his approval. "You look pretty good for a woman your size." "You'd be really sexy if you had longer hair." Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 02:21 AM
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As far as I know, this service doesn't exist unless you're rich enough to have your own personal coordinator. There are whole shows where rich people say, "Get me this bag," and a pair of employees tracks it down, even when there are only 100 in existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 02:03 AM
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The SJW's problems aren't really solved, because even though she pretends to be satisfied she's denying herself the opportunity to forge a healthy emotional connection that could make her happy. By defining all men as untrustworthy thugs, she prevents herself from meeting the men who aren't -- the men who could make her happy. TRP shoots itself in the foot in the same way. Keeping a woman off balance by changing what you want from her, holding emotional connections ransom, being willing to make …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 12:26 AM
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Although I've never done it myself, I've always felt it would be exhausting to hold frame, spin plates, maintain dread game, etc. That's part of why I think people should shed TRP. You have to learn a different set of skills - and you should still work of self-improvement - but it doesn't condemn you to a life of sexlessness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 12:18 AM
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Yes, the answer is yes. I thought that was pretty obvious when I said I would wear make-up even if my day doesn't involve interacting with men. I do and have worn make-up when going to meet a female friend at her house.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 12:14 AM
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I often wear make-up because it's part of looking professional at my job. Even if I didn't interact with men at work, I would still wear make-up. It simply makes you look more put together and competent than being bare-faced. It helps confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 11:59 PM
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Elliot Rodger hated TRP, PUA, and the manosphere generally. He genuinely hated men like us that used manipulation and deceit to get what we wanted because he believed women should partner with men who don't use such methods to attract them. I've never thought Rodgers was part of TRP, but where is it stated that he hated it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 11:31 PM
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I have no problem with most of TRP's non-social advice. Be confident. Be healthy. Be smart. Improve yourself, absolutely. However, I don't think that is enough to excuse the treatment of women TRP promotes. If we're talking about "goals," my goal is to demonstrate that there is an alternative; you can be confident, you can avoid getting used, and you can treat women with trust and respect. Most of the population has managed that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 11:07 PM
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To me femininity means make-up, pretty but not overtly sexual clothes, being polite, and not being a loudmouth. By that definition I am 100% feminine. However, I don't define femininity as "what it is to be a woman" (or masculinity as what it is to be a man). It's just a set of behavior that fits the stereotypical gender role. People who live outside of that are not living outside of their gender, just outside of stereotypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 11:01 PM
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Same. I'm straight and have a pixie cut. It eliminates some men from the dating pool, but I consider that advantageous. It's like RP-repellent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 10:58 PM
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Instead of viewing it as the wife can't vote, the husband casts the decision for the family. My grandmother is a Democrat and my grandfather is a Republican. Why should she let him cast a vote on her behalf? Even my boyfriend and I disagree about a few minor policies. Why should my voice bend to his? Even if men perfectly represent their wives at the voting booth, the unmarried woman population doesn't get a say in politics merely because of their gender. That is oppression. It's also completely…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 10:48 PM
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TRP methods are designed to help guys out of relationships where they've been emotionally abused and manipulated by women who hold sex over their heads. A woman who holds sex over the head of her partner is a shitty person, and no one deserves that kind of treatment. Not even women. The answer to encounters with shitty people who demean you and suck you dry is not to get better at sexual strategy. By withholding emotional commitment to maintain control over the relationship, you're being exactly…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 10:31 PM
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It wasn't a comment on /r/theredpill being unpopular, it's just a fact that the vast majority of reddit isn't RP - the vast majority of people aren't RP - and people are still getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 10:05 PM
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I've seen many RPers say they are married.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 08:48 AM
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I'm not so sure. Really? You think the alternative to "He leads" is "If he makes a suggestion, I'm dumping him"? You're not going to call that even a little bit intellectually dishonest? You laid out the benefits of your leading role to your relationship. That is not a complete description of what it means to lead, especially when it has already been described in the OP as "carrying" to a woman's "support." Some women do not want to be limited to support. They want to carry and support in equal …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 08:30 AM
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Reductio ad absurdum. I hope you have the sense to realize this is not the sense in which /u/Petticoat_Rule meant the word "lead." Read the post within the context of the thread, not with the spin you want to put on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 07:46 AM
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Female teachers can be likewise inspiring. As you pointed out, all people respect an admire leaders. Doesn't that leave open the possibility that for some individuals relationship dynamics work out better when either the female leads or both partners are equally in control? Romantic relationships are very different from a relationship with a teacher or a boss - being inspired by a male doesn't mean one fits well in a "following" position in a relationship. We're clearly talking about relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 07:44 AM
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I still can't eat dog meat, is that oppression? Can men eat dog meat? You don't seem to be getting what oppression is. Slaveboy Jim can't go to the moon, nor can Master Tom. Slaveboy Jim isn't oppressed by not being able to go to the moon, he's oppressed because he's been made a slave because of his race. Mrs. Jones can't run nude down the street, nor can Mr. Jones. They're not oppressed because of that, but when Mrs. Jones isn't allowed the right to vote even though her husband can, she is. Tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 07:07 AM
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Look at past ads, women used to take pride in their housework like a man did at his work place, that is gone. Housework ads still frequently feature women. What point are you making? Look at how happy these women are. How can you possibly say that is gone? We don't celebrate women taking a supportive role, in fact many feminists condemn it. Again, when have we ever celebrated individual women being housewives? Has it ever been to the same degree men were praised for their scientific or academic …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 05:55 AM
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The Renaissance, wasn't a period for the 'average' man or woman. Average folk still lugged around heavy things and did their shitty jobs. Your focus is on the tiny .1% of rich women. It's also only a period for the tiny percentage of rich men. That's not a counter to my argument. Even when women had the means and motive to pursue and education and intellectual achievements, they were not permitted to. Men with those means could. That is oppression. With all of this, I believe people should have …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 05:43 AM
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I think it is important to focus on women who defy the roles that they have traditionally been forced into. Would a forum for African Americans be remiss to focus on academically-achieving individuals instead of criminals and menial labors? Society has always praised individuals who contribute advancements that everyone can benefit from. Rarely has child-rearing, beyond the general, received attention. Even when it was expected, the mothers of history's great thinkers were often a mere footnote.…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 05:31 AM
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What about the Renaissance, a time when much of social advancement was done through essays and rhetoric rather than physical labor? While well-to-do women were being educated in language, religion, history and world affairs (in order to be the ideal, entertaining courtesan) they were discouraged from studying rhetoric - argument - the primary form of discourse that could actually get things done. Women who wanted to be figures intellectually often had to forego marriage because their opinion wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 05:26 AM
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TBP wants their EQUAL relationship idea to be the dominant one. That women should all have jobs. I'm sorry but as a BP I don't think this is true. I have always said I support choice. Being a stay-at-home mother is a valid choice. I know that many BPers are rabidly against women being denied the choice to work. Can you demonstrate where TBP says women should not be allowed to stay at home and take supportive roles? EDIT: I do think that realistically most couples need both partners working to st…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 05:18 AM
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The reason why they and the 'patriarchy' have lasted for most of recorded history is because they work. But didn't you just demonstrate that they don't have to apply anymore? We're beyond the industrial revolution. We're largely a service-based economy. We aren't in a war that puts a quarter of the population in jeopardy. Acknowledging the reality of today's economy, women are now free to take roles that are more comfortable to them, and that includes being the/a breadwinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 05:14 AM
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I have no idea whether I'm in the minority of feminists for defining it as a woman's rights issue instead of flat-out gender equality. I know I'm not alone. If I were to play devil's advocate I would probably say that they (the feminists who define it as gender quality) intend to emphasize "equality" as opposed to "superiority." We often get accused of seeking superiority, of man-hating, or even of creating men's issues. When a person defines feminism as "equality for the sexes" you and I can at…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 05:03 AM
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I had the same discussion with someone else about a month ago. They really don't care to be accurate in their words, and AWALT is the best example of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 04:29 AM
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I'm not Yonderlander, but as a feminist I'm willing to answer. It depends on what equality you're talking about. I usually consider feminism to be advocacy for women's rights issues. This means that in some ways it helps men (eg by breaking gender roles; redefining men and women gender roles so that women are not presumed to be nurturers, men can step into "womanly" careers or lifepaths, and women are not considered the "gentler" sex while men are allowed to express emotion) and in some ways it …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 04:28 AM
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There's this weird mantra among TRP that unless you're Red Pill you're failing and having no sex. In my experience, that isn't true. /r/theredpill is only 91,000 strong on a site where 3,260,000 users log in in a month. Yet people are still getting laid. You can get laid without being Red Pill. This is truth. No one in my friend circle is Red Pill and we're all getting laid. I would argue it's better - more rewarding - but you argue it's harder. I don't think that the alternative being harder is…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 04:15 AM
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Morality exists outside of law. Justification isn't really an issue. You say that, but it is. There's an alternative to being part of TRP, just like there's an alternative to being a thief. You can find success without being a self-serving asshole. It might be harder, just like having a real job is harder than tricking people out of their money, but the process of learning how to find and maintain either a job or a successful relationship (even sexual, nonromantic ones) is the mark of a better p…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 03:14 AM
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So a petty thief, a career criminal, a gangster, and the head of a pyramid scheme are all justified because at their actions are rewarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 01:12 AM
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By that logic, do you support misandrists? If a woman was getting used and abused by men, and in reaction she becomes a militant SJW who will have nothing to do with them, and insists men are inherently violent, emotionally crippled brutes that every woman should fear for her own well being, and as a result she no longer has to worry about being hurt by men is her stance worth it? If her happiness comes at the expense of an accurate world view, is it worth it? What's more, her and TRP's worldvie…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/15 12:51 AM
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What's with you and all of these Christian analogies? Are you one of another freshmen-in-college liberal types that thinks you're intelligent because you whore yourself out and make "arguments" against religion? I'm not making an argument against religion. This is a comparison to show you how ridiculous it is when you insist that your set of beliefs apply to other people who don't share them. Hmm... So you're telling me that my "value system" is not the same of the majority of the men in the wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/14 06:29 AM
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Your stance is as unfounded in truth as the Christian belief that atheists are only non-believers because they don't want to have to behave morally. Obviously with someone so irrational there's no convincing you that you're keeping yourself blind to the whole reality of the situation. It could be that atheists are non-believers because they want to feel like they can "get away" with sins without feeling bad. Or, more rationally, they've analyzed a set of beliefs (the same way I've looked at TRP)…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 07:47 AM
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Your argument relies on denying the existence of a large sex-positive community. Yet as I'm sure TRP is horrifyingly aware, the average number of sex partners has grown in the last century. More people are giving less of a fuck about what prudes think about them. The only trait you can say about all these people is that they are sex-positive. They comes from different races, different cultures, have different jobs, and different levels of attractiveness. What, are you going to deny the existence…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 06:30 PM
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If a woman has a high number and a RP man rejects her for that, it's no big because it's not hard to find someone who doesn't care. I really don't care what your opinion is of either the woman or the man. It's still true. It's worked for me and every successful relationship among my friends. I'd rather die alone than date a TRPer anyway. My idea of quality and your idea of quality are very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 07:09 AM
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A 2.5 year and ongoing 1 year relationship included, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 06:11 AM
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Who are you to judge? Isn't there anyone you think doesn't deserve respect? What about the gold-digging woman who marries a rich guy with the inwardly acknowledged intention of divorcing him later and taking as much of his fortune as she can get? The woman who says her number is 3 but has actually slept with upwards of 16 guys, and sleeps around behind her boyfriend's back? Personally I feel that respect is a basic but can be lost through actions. Similarly, to "deserve" love or sex in my opinio…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 08:05 AM
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I think "You're not entitled to anything" mostly gets said when someone is bitter for not getting what they wanted -- for example, when they get dumped or rejected. Frankly I use the same attitude on myself after a disappointment. I wasn't entitled to the job or that scholarship, so stop feeling so damn cheated and start doing some self-improvement to actually earn something. If someone says, "This chick was a bitch because she wouldn't fuck me," I'd say, "Dude, you're not entitled to sex (impli…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:37 AM
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Alright, that's chill. Nothing wrong with a little self-affirmation. Women should tell themselves they deserve to be loved and respected, too. Of course, it's highly possible that many people, on a case-by-case basis, don't deserve to be loved or respected, so along with the affirmation there should be some direction toward improvement so the goal (being deserving) gets realized. If all you have behind "I am entitled to sex" is the mantra itself, you've basically got The Secret going on and I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:31 AM
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So this is just your "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it people like me." Do you feel entitled to specific individuals? How do you react when you don't get what you want? Do you respect a woman's agency and move on?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:15 AM
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Do you feel entitled to material possessions, too? Can I ask how you define "entitled?"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:11 AM
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A forum which deals exclusively in success stories isn't an accurate barometer. That's like looking into /r/relationships to see how many relationships end in infidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 03:41 AM
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It depends entirely on how the article is written. I think many people have a kneejerk reaction that men are oppressing women by holding them to a male's standards. I don't think it's fair when there are plenty of articles where women share what they do and do not like on men. When an article about women's fashion from a guy's perspective includes disparaging remarks about a woman's character or value based on her appearance, there's a problem. The same holds true for articles directed at men. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 10:28 PM
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You can't make sweeping generalizations and act like you embedded an acknowledged exception in there. When a person says "Black people are thieves" or "Mexicans are lazy" or "Fags transmit HIV" then backs up and says, "Whoa now, I didn't say all of them were like that! You can't attack me, because some of them are," they're being dense and manipulative. At the end of the day, really, you've said nothing of importance if you aren't willing to put yourself out there and act like you made a signifi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 10:11 PM
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I get that you're answering from a red pill point of view but couldn't you at least try to understand that red pill psychology does not apply universally? I don't think you'll ever believe the testimony of people like me who are living examples that your psychology of blue pill men and women are bitter, but can't you at least entertain the idea that some people find TRP misogynistic, unrealistic, and unattractive? Most of what I've seen on TRP at least acknowledges that the aggressive nature of …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 09:04 PM
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If you can't respond beyond the first sentence, why pretend you have convictions?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 11:48 AM
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I cannot believe you even posted that. Only the most ignorant individuals who have been sheltered far away from the effects of rape could write something so insulting about the trauma rape victims experience. The notion that the only consequences of note are social or physical -- and that they have been negated by social and technological advances to the point that the ramifications no longer need to be taken extremely seriously -- is some of the most uninformed, shamefully inexperienced and bla…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 11:42 AM
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He can add things that she will percieve as SMV even when she doesn't value his body all that much. They're not SMV, they compensate for a lack of SMV and can sometimes be enough to make a woman interested in sex or a relationship without sexual attraction. Do you think 20 year old women in their prime are really turned on by ugly 60 year old millionaires? No. Those women are not horny for these men. They're not looking at the man's SMV, they're looking at an entirely different set of market val…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 05:59 AM
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But you are the one putting forth that scenario and not, "being brutalized on the cold floor of a basement by multiple men" or "having her life and loved ones threatened by an armed intruder" or "having her anus forcefully torn and bleeding." There are a thousand other colorful rape scenarios you could choose and you continually try to compare drunk sex with an unrealistic 20 years time served. EDIT: Can you cite the NY law? I found this, and am still looking: http://statelaws.findlaw.com/new-yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 12:57 AM
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I'll repeat the premise. There is almost nothing more to a woman's sexual attractiveness than her body. The same holds true for men. A mature man's confidence, life experience, achievements, *body musculature, wealth, social status, social group are not sexual in any way beyond his potential to care for offspring. If we're not talking about evaluating a sexual partner for the traits that make them marriage material or desirable for anything beyond an orgasm, none of this stuff makes a man "more …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 12:52 AM
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And you're free to think that. I'm sure many will agree with you. However, you keep diminishing the experiences of rape victims in order to serve your point. You scarcely acknowledge the long-lasting effects, you come up with situations in which whether it was even rape is questionable, and you use the worst of the worst outcomes for unjustly convicted men. It's a really shitty and intellectually dishonest way to frame a discussion. Comparing and evaluating two very different traumatic experienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 12:43 AM
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Would you stop using the extremes that best serve your point? You're not accomplishing anything by exaggerating prison sentences for convictions or framing rape as "having sex while drunk."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 12:38 AM
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She could rule an empire and remain unfuckable. To you. Some men are attracted to more than just a woman's looks. They can find the exact same traits you listed attractive, especially if they're interested in more than just sex. A woman's confidence, achievements, maturity, wisdom, etc. can be the reason a man loves his wife. There is way more value to a woman than her looks. Just because a woman has eliminated you from her dating pool doesn't mean she hit a wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 12:22 AM
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You lose all of your friends, people think you are a monster. you lose years off your life, and there is a good chance you might get raped/killed while you are in prison. While being raped, is only an ordeal for an hour or so. I think you are being terribly dishonest here. I shouldn't expect you to be unbiased, but your slant is too obvious. Rape is not an hour-long deal. It also costs hours of therapy, sometimes for years. It costs some people dozens of potential healthy relationships because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 12:04 AM
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That source is 20 years old. This report is also specifically mentioned on Wikipedia with this criticism: Critics of Kanin's report include David Lisak, an associate professor of psychology and director of the Men's Sexual Trauma Research Project at the University of Massachusetts Boston. He states, "Kanin’s 1994 article on false allegations is a provocative opinion piece, but it is not a scientific study of the issue of false reporting of rape. It certainly should never be used to assert a scie…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 11:51 PM
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will the "slut lovers" be marriage material and good fathers I don't think it's hard at all to find that combination. A lot of concern that RP men seem to have over a woman's number count is that there's some sort of scarcity of men who don't care. I understand that if you surround yourself in an echo chamber and it makes it seem like everyone shares the same values. If a woman has a high number and a RP man rejects her for that, it's no big because it's not hard to find someone who doesn't care…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 11:41 PM
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The greater the number of previous sexual partners, the lower the statistical chance of having a high quality relationship/marriage, and the greater the statistical chance of infidelity. The last study I looked at showed a 7% increase in the chance of infidelity per previous sexual partner. That is not trivial. That sounds more like correlation than causation. For example, if someone is a shitty person and they're good at hiding it for 3-4 months at a time, they're likely to have many quick rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 04:30 AM
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Again, are women running back screaming? Sleeping with the wrong person isn't the end of the world. It's not a permanent scar on your body (though perhaps you disagree?). It's just an experience, and eventually maybe you realize that stuff isn't for you. Many TRP men were once betas who got stepped on by bossy women, right? Were they also unable to handle their responsibility? And let's be realistic here: a kid's more likely to get cut once and learn to be careful than he is to lose an entire fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 12:57 AM
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Now you will have people thinking that they clearly can't handle the responsibility they were given. That's a leap in logic to me. Unless a women is so abjectly horrified by her own sexual past that she breaks down and can't cope with herself, there's nothing she "couldn't handle." Some people switch majors in college. Some people enter a professional field that has nothing to do with the major they got. That doesn't mean they "couldn't handle the responsibility they were given." It means maybe …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 12:37 AM
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True, it could be a different explanation but really the results matter more and they stay the same. When women's motives are painted with broad strokes, it changes men's perspective on women, how they behave, and how they should be treated in return. So much of TRP is based on "understanding" women's psyche and drawing conclusions on that foundation. If it turns out that RP men have been terribly misinterpreting their observations of women, it should cast women in a different light. Essentially…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 11:47 PM
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Cool, suit yourself. I'm going to keep encouraging women to make healthy choices, you keep doing you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 09:00 PM
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Holy fuck, try calculating that again. If someone has 30 partners by 30 and starts at zero years old, their rate would be 1 per year, not 2.1. If someone has 30 partners by 30 at a rate of 2.1 a year, they started around 16.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 08:41 PM
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And ladies, getting mad at men for not wanting to be with a slut for anything more than sex wont get you anywhere. It'll get you out of relationships with men who are so immature they judge you for having been sexually active. Sounds like a win to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 08:35 PM
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