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If less woman are in STEM, it stands to reason that more woman, by virtue of basic probability, will be in "majority female jobs" such as nursing and education.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 10:30 PM
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yet again accusing me of not constructing a coherent argument, without explaining why. Similar to how you accuse me of not understanding the study, without explaining why. Your baseless accusations mock the purpose of true debate
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 10:09 PM
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wow you sound real smart, thanks for the high level criticism. you are obviously just trolling and salty that you were made to look like a fool at this point. This discussion is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 10:01 PM
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I literally gave you an explanation for what the studies show (a relationship between a wealth/egalitarian composite (aka how egalitarian society is perceived by participants) measure and sex differences (aka interest and occupational choice) and what it means (the more egalitarian and wealthier the country, the larger the differences between men and women in temperament and in interest)? Are you just trying to be difficult?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 09:56 PM
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meaning the new studies with tens of thousands of participants showed data that contradicted most of the earlier studies that used way fewer people and were less statistically sound? what exactly do you not understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 09:47 PM
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Not just relevant to STEM. the more egalitarian and wealthier the country, the larger the differences between men and women in temperament and in interest. And the relationship is not small. The most recent study, published in Science (by researchers at Berkeley, hardly a hotbed of conservatism and patriarchy) showed a relationship between a wealth/egalitarian composite measure and sex differences that was larger than that reported in 99% of published social science studies. These are not small-…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 09:33 PM
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Here’s a paper indicating that more gender-equal countries produce comparatively fewer women in the STEM fields. Paradoxically, the sex differences in the magnitude of relative academic strengths and pursuit of STEM degrees rose with increases in national gender equality. The gap between boys’ science achievement and girls’ reading achievement relative to their mean academic performance was near universal. These sex differences in academic strengths and attitudes toward science correlated with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 09:19 PM
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what changed if you don't mind me asking?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 08:29 AM
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lol I like how people conflate 'solipsism' as a gendered insult on this sub. Please familiarize yourself with the actual definition, it has nothing to do with gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 09:55 PM
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you can? are you really that solipsistic? everyone thinks they chose the 'right' partner. It's only ever in hindsight people think "if only I saw this coming." This (hindsight bias) is basic psychology. This is also why the amount of couples that put together prenups is very low- no one ever expects THEY will experience a divorce, despite there being around 50% chance of it happening. The idea that you can somehow prevent divorce by marrying the 'right' woman is laughably naive. There is no way …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 09:24 PM
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"Just choose the right woman brah"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 07:51 PM
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I'm going to assume the op was referring to a more subconscious Freudian motivational desire rather than a conscious desire. You are free to disagree with a Freudian interpretation, but I don't think op meant that men literally pretend to be nice or polite out of a conscious desire for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 08:48 PM
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This concept isn't even confined to sexual attraction- people treat 'good looking' people much better in general, regardless of sexuality. Plenty of sociological studies on this subject if you are interested, unless you wish to avoid learning the truth because it's 'depressing'
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 05:29 PM
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Honestly I think it's catching on with gen z, especially with the hyper competitive tiktok scene invading highschool
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 07:18 AM
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I think it would suck to be in women's position and wait to being picked while you watch the guy you like chasing all the other women. You have it completely backwards In dating economics the women are 'buyers' and the men are the 'sellers.' This is basic supply and demand... women are not waiting to be picked, they are the selectors. Sure women wait to be approached, but ultimately they choose the man they want from a large pool of applicants. Women choose not to approach men out of luxury- sin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 06:01 AM
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The one who ask is the one paying. For me this is not" chivallry", not even courtesy, it is common sense. Are you trying to argue that it is just a huge coincidence, and not traditional gender roles enforced by women, that causes men to be the ones who ask 99% of the time? And then you tried to tie an example situation between friends as equivalent with the context of dating strangers...? These two situations are not even remotely similar
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 10:40 PM
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I understand the basic premise that wanting a man to 'invest' financially on a food date filters out the 'serious' men from the rest, but this is a dead concept- similar to how dating sites that required monthly subscriptions used to filter out the 'serious' candidates from the rest is a dead model. Free dating sites are now used almost universally by anyone under 30 and paid dating sites are more niche and cater to an older crowd (match. com). Online dating in general has become much more mains…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 07:21 PM
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Most women are not sexually attracted to timid men afraid of making known their own natural human sexual desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 07:18 PM
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women in general do not 'date down' their socio-economic class. There is a reason why article after feminist article bemoans the lack 'marriageable' men in modern society- it's because average women are now outperforming men in terms of higher education by wide margins.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 07:14 PM
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She knows her place, nice guy doesn't care hes just happy to have a gf, life goes on. They live happily ever after. They don't live happily ever after. In fact this type of arrangement will almost certainly lead to divorce once the woman has what she wants (children) and no longer requires an unattractive man in the picture. Now she can have her children and date attractive men on the side, all while receiving child support and alimony.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 05:28 PM
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Is your husband asexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 05:14 PM
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You're not insecure, you're aware of the truth that she doesn't view you in a sexual way, and that this fact cannot be negotiated. Instead of 'don't ask don't tell' which sounds like a copout to due diligence, work on your body and read up on showing sexual intent/dominance through your behavior and posture, as well as your words. I can almost guarantee that you showed zero sexual intent on any of those first dates. Don't date someone that doesn't find you sexually attractive, unless you are pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 04:58 PM
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So you admit that you are the outlier and your behavior isn't representative of the general population?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 05:53 PM
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Top tier women use minimal makeup. Makeup can accent beauty, but it can also hide imperfections
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 05:20 PM
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Literally no one assumes generosity. If I invite 5 people to go to a movie theater no one expects me to pay for all the tickets. I mean... I could. But it isn't expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 05:01 PM
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frat boys turned finance bros are snorting coke off hookers, not wifing up 35 yo women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 05:31 AM
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loaded supermodel men are not interested in 35+ yo women. Even Elon Musk (48) is dating Grimes (31), and he's a helpless romantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 05:25 AM
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when you say 'high quality' do you mean a sexually attractive lover, or a rich provider?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 04:11 AM
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i don't know, you should ask the 30something men dating 30 yos why they date them? the majority of men are not HVM and cannot realistically date the age range they universally find most attractive (22-23 yo women according to oktrends data). So instead of giving up they make realistic goals for who they date. This is why 'the wall' does not mean all male attention suddenly evaporates for 30+ yo women. It does means HVM attention, specifically for LTRs and not just short term sex evaporates. thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 03:03 AM
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If you are physically attractive many women don't care. This has been proven numerous times on infamous tinder experiments such as this one. The guy responsible for this test even uploaded a video showing him swiping and matching in real time using the disturbing profile in question. Being violent can even increase perceived levels of attraction. One of the largest cases of Hybristophilia occurred when Ted Bundy was arrested. He often drew scores of women at the jammed courtrooms of his trials e…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 06:18 AM
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The only thing illogical is after realizing what you are doing is resulting in no success, repeating those actions without change. Get angry at yourself, get a little emotional. Who wouldn't? Who cares if people are 'kind and respectful' when that isn't what you want. Stop rationalizing your stagnation. Anger is just another tool that can be used to inspire positive changes in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 09:29 AM
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If I were bitter, which I'm not, I'd think I was used. Maybe a little bitterness would have helped after the first time you had your money stolen. Btw Merry Xmas you filthy animal
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/19 04:57 AM
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I don't own any lifts... So ultimately your argument boils down to solipsistic happiness. Profound.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/19 05:33 AM
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fun game: switch out the original title to "women should wear makeup", then read the responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/19 02:07 AM
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ironically you come off as insecure, due to your need to belittle the concept of lifts. who said anything about 'proving' something? It's just pragmatic. The widely available data on okcupid suggests height matters for women way more than you assume. Of course after you make it past the first impressions stage the importance of height diminishes, but first impressions are incredibly important.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/19 01:57 AM
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unfortunately your accounts and phone have already been compromised. He's TrAcKiNg Y O U
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 04:40 AM
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Now THAT'S podracing shitposting creative. I like it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 03:17 AM
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I've got one word for you... Plastics!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/19 06:00 PM
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she just wasn't into it She just wasn't into YOU. Sorry to be savage op but this is an important distinction. She may full well have been telling the truth about not ever being into certain sexual acts, but she did them with past partners DESPITE not being into them because she desired to please those partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 07:14 PM
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You WERE happy with what you 'got'. So much so that you got married, even after your wife being fairly open with her experimental sexual past. And in the right context maybe that history isn't an issue if she treats you with the same level of attraction as past partners. Did it never occur to you that your wife doesn't see you the same 'way' as she saw previous partners? Like how she enthusiastically tried anal with past partners but felt disgust at the thought of trying with you? Did that not b…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 06:58 PM
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Not sure how old you are but were dating apps around in your 20s? Everything about relationships is changing at an accelerated pace. Women don't just 'accidentally' bump into an older man to date, they specifically target him vs hundreds of other men. A few years ago I was dating a girl around 5 years younger than me, I got to know some of her college roommates. They were all dating men about 3-5 years older. Anecdotal evidence I know, similar to your anecdotal story, but there are certain trend…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/19 06:39 PM
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I think the male demo on reddit is filled with guys who never really got the chance to have fun and fuck around in their younger years. The Percentage of American Adults Not Having Sex Has Reached a Record High in 2018. But among the 23 percent of adults - or nearly 1 in 4 - who spent the year in a celibate state, a much larger than expected number of them were 20-something men, according to the latest data from the General Social Survey. Take a look at this graph I don't think this is a reddit …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/19 06:10 PM
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Low key lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 06:03 PM
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This is it. Most people that gain value from the community will read through the subreddit for a few months or so digesting and internalizing all the prerequisites to self-improvement. Then they will leave, maybe checking in once in a while. The bitter ones will stay, posting angry rants or low-value content to justify their lack of success. Kind of like how happy customers of a product on Amazon are less likely to leave an online review vs an angry customer that wants to 'get back' at the compa…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 10:47 PM
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I'm pointing out this statistic not to blame some external force (barring business corruption that directly leads to the death of workers), but to demonstrate that for the most part the men choosing these professions do so of their own volition. Why do men seem to prioritize money over minimizing risk to personal safety? Is this any group or powers fault? Should men be held responsible for the choices they make concerning employment? Do men blame social constructs, patriarchy, matriarchy, the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 11:38 PM
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but men are being forced into dangerous professions.... by the patriarchy! If only they had the free will to make their own decisions /s (the satire being no one is forcing men to take on higher paying dangerous jobs... just like no one is forcing women to work in the education or hospitality sector)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 10:24 PM
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you mean like... alive? 4,234 men died on the job (92% of the total) in 2011 compared to only 375 women (8% of the total). The “gender occupational fatality gap” in 2011 was considerable — more than 11 men died on the job for every woman who died while working.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 09:56 PM
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I only buy SOYLENT for my dates. This post is sponsored by SOYLENT
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 03:49 PM
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In fact, it comes to this: nobody is capable of really thinking about anyone, even in the worst calamity. For really to think about someone means thinking about that person every minute of the day, without letting one’s thoughts be diverted by anything- by meals, by a fly that settles on one’s cheek, by household duties, or by a sudden itch somewhere. But there are always flies and itches. That’s why life is difficult to live. Albert Camus, The Plague If you don't want to get hurt, then take pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 06:20 PM
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https://imgur.com/gallery/BIT4TTM
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 05:18 AM
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If p, then q, where p=logical fallacy and q=poor argument A good argument uses sound logic as a foundation
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 06:19 PM
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Doesn't using logical fallacies indicate someone poor at arguing?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 06:00 PM
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It's the classic no-true-scotsman fallacy to pretend inconvenient aspects of their ideology don't exist or are not relevant to discussion. At least those of us that visit RP admit it has unsavory elements attached with the underlying positive messages.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 05:56 PM
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I would say trust is a non-issue in this case because comparatively less trust or investment is needed in the context of casual sex vs a long term relationship. Women at Sarah Lawrence know the most attractive men are not going to put up with appeals for trust meant for long term relationships, so it becomes a choice to pursue sexually attractive guys for casual sex or settle for less attractive guys that are still more than willing to offer trust and investment. And despite knowing less attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 03:41 AM
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dating marketplace, not sexual marketplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 12:44 AM
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Gender population ratios don't actually matter Jon Birger would disagree (author of Date-onomics) here is the link to page 188 in google books As this table demonstrates, monogamy is more commonplace on campuses with either gender balance or more men than women, whereas the hookup culture is more prevalent at colleges that are disproportionately female. and Just as sex-ratio research predicts, it is the colleges with male-heavy gender ratios where dating is more traditional. Here’s what Niche.co…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 12:21 AM
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Nope. No reason to at my age (mid 20s). No advantages unless you love kids, and plenty of disadvantages. No shortage of women who aren't single parents. Maybe my opinion will change when I'm older but for now it's a pretty clear cut preference for a long-term partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 11:36 PM
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Savage
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/18 05:42 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 07:28 PM
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No sex after months of dating? These men are the furthest you can get from being Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 07:17 PM
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The Atlantic: The Humiliation of Aziz Ansari. https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/the-humiliation-of-aziz-ansari/550541/ Was Grace frozen, terrified, stuck? No. She tells us that she wanted something from Ansari and that she was trying to figure out how to get it. She wanted affection, kindness, attention. Perhaps she hoped to maybe even become the famous man’s girlfriend. He wasn’t interested. What she felt afterward—rejected yet another time, by yet another man—was regret…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/18 08:01 PM
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That's funny. I saw on Facebook the other week a friend's sister was recently divorced and throwing a 'divorce party.' She had dozens of comments and support from friends and family, definitely no shaming. I don't think divorce makes anyone into a pariah nowadays. Rather it is celebrated as an achievement.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/18 11:05 PM
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Go on...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 09:43 PM
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The safe sex AGENDA
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/17 02:44 AM
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I've never met either type of stereotype you've described. That being said I seem to have a thing for tomboyish girls, mixed with some feminine qualities. I have a hard time staying interested in someone if they don't share at least some of my (stereotypically masculine) interests or hobbies. Strictly talking about LTRs, not marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 10:05 PM
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I just looked up pictures of mystery in a bee outfit. I was not disappointed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 07:34 PM
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I know its not the US, I just brought it up to show that it isn't an absurd idea to be arrested for approaching women. Cold approaching women is a prerequisite to scheduling a date, I wasn't talking about the date itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 02:28 AM
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France is passing a law that punishes men for 'unwanted sexual advances' If you think that's sounds vague, it is. The difference between harassment and innocent flirtation, however, can be a fine line to walk. And distinguishing between the two will be one of the biggest challenges the new legislation will have to overcome. Basically any type of approach can be defined as harassment, punishable by law.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 02:10 AM
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For many men that is exactly how they learn. Obviously a lot of men go through cognitive dissonance with what they are told vs what they observe. directly experiencing something is the most powerful and quickest way to learn imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 06:27 PM
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I think the difference comes down to trial and error opportunities. Like how attractive guys in highschool will learn that women still respond when you prioritize your own needs or desires, or when you act like a 'jerk'. They understand from experience that women don't need to be pedestalized or worshiped in order to attract them. Less attractive/assertive guys don't experience success with women until later in life, so they haven't internalized the reality that creating attraction isn't the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 05:49 PM
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Alex Jones told me that Disney movies are making the friggin frogs gay
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 05:21 PM
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To be fair tu quoque is a logical fallacy. Bringing up rp hypocrisy may be an interesting point, but it doesn't engage the original question in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 05:17 PM
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I've also made similar comments in past threads- context is key. High n-counts can't be judged in a vacuum. Casual sex isn't inherently bad, but often correlates with other attributes at odds with LTR lifestyles. Loyalty is demonstrated through a previous history of LTR(s) that don't end in cheating. With this in mind, it isn't that men looking for relationships are avoiding women with high n-count, but rather they are seeking women with a proven record of demonstrated loyalty to a partner. A wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/17 04:46 PM
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It's usally exaggerated, but the general idea isn't a myth imo. The idea being that when women hit around 30 they face more competition from a new generation of women up to a decade younger. The wall doesn't mean women can't find a partner at 30+ like the revenge fantasy claims, but it does mean they have to put a little more effort into finding men of value, when before men of value would seek them out. Both men and women look worse as they age, for men value is also tied to wealth, experience,…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 08:38 PM
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None of us are regular people. I'm a hamster.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/17 05:26 AM
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You're the one saying it's a majority Oh, yeah. I'm the weird one saying sexually attractive women are not generally seen as obese. What an absurd observation of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/17 06:41 PM
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It is personal because you are projecting your own beliefs on to the majority of men, which is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/17 06:18 PM
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Not at all. I can easily show you like 100 men who are like this. With no effort. I said that there are tons of men like that, ie more than what people would think exist. jesus christ this guy is dense. AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE IS EXACTLY THAT- AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE. 100 men are still not the majority of men. All the data from okcupid, tinder, any modern dating site or app etc proves that most men do not think like you do. In terms of sexual strategy, your strategy is somewhat unique relative…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/17 05:54 PM
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(generally) attractive if you aren't talking about sexual attraction, then what are you talking about? what is this 'general' attraction that isn't sexual but still makes me want to date (implying sexual intimacy) an 'authentic' (insert hobby here) person no matter how they look? Isn't this purplepilldebate, a subreddit about sexual strategy? I'm not interested in casual sex, as I am in a LTR. sexual attraction is a prerequisite for any LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/17 05:37 PM
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I very much doubt that any "serious" male gamer would really reject a "genuine" female gamer just because she's fat. I am a 'serious' gamer, not that it matters. Would never even consider dating a women I consider unattractive, because sexual attraction has NOTHING to do with their hobbies. being a gamer makes compatibility for a LTR more viable, sure, but is has absolutely nothing to do with raw sexual attraction. being a "genuine" gamer doesn't magically make a women sexually attractive... lol…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/17 05:19 PM
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A very low percentage of men find obese women attractive. That is the basic point you don't seem to understand. The men that are exceptions to the majority of men are exactly that- exceptions. This doesn't mean some men don't find bbw attractive. that isn't the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/17 05:06 PM
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I think it's also a lifestyle compatibility thing. Much like marriage, long term monogamous relationships aren't for everyone. A woman that has a string of casual encounters as the majority of her sexual history seems like a more risky investment than a woman with 2-3 LTR partners in that same amount of time, if the goal is to find a LTR partner. But these are guidelines for the initial vetting of someone you just met. Perhaps after getting to know a person and vetting their past you have a bett…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 04:08 AM
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The data is far deeper than personality preferences. The patterns exist, regardless if you acknowledge them. It's how to interpret these patterns we may disagree on. https://theblog.okcupid.com/your-looks-and-your-inbox-8715c0f1561e https://www.google.com/amp/s/jezebel.com/mens-favorite-ages-are-20-21-22-and-23-a-data-dive-1731660984/amp This second link is part of the dataclysm book, which uses 10s of millions of dating profiles to create trend analysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 12:29 AM
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I'm assuming this 'group' would consist of at least 1000-3000 individuals, and would be part of various other groups part of a larger data pool from geographically separate areas in the US? You know, because a group of 3-4 men would be completely unscientific and not account for any variance to measure how far a set of (random) scenarios are spread out from their average values. Actually oktrends (okcupid) has done this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 12:05 AM
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Pretty dumb post. The reason why the sexual (and relationship) marketplace is a marketplace is because under the context of that market, supply and demand reveal that certain traits are perceived as more valuable than others. Saying there are no low or high value women makes sense if we are judging value in terms of an individual's worth as a human being. But this is not what 'value' refers to regarding sexual/dating markets. Specifically for sexual market value- value is tied to how in-demand y…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 06:20 PM
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I thought blue pill argues sexual attraction is a social construct. Saying people are 'born with sexual attraction' falls under biological determinism which is rp territory.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:40 PM
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Male birth control will largely take away the ability for women to trap men into providing for children they never agreed to have, and this will no longer be a moot issue. Until then it's my body, my rules... your money?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 06:58 AM
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Those terms didn't exist within the context of sexual strategy until very recently- 1 to 2 years at most. What you don't seen to comprehend is that sexual strategy HAS been extensively researched for many years, with many concepts overlapping with modern terminology. I linked an extensive research paper over 80 pages long that deals with dual mating strategy, fitness testing, mate selection traits, all things the alpha/beta dynamic refer to. So while technically correct that the last 30 years of…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/17 08:18 PM
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Sorry that you don't understand context or critical analysis. I already explained in my post how the concepts of 'beta' and 'alpha' directly relate to the dual mating hypothesis. Furthermore, why would modern internet slang contextualized around sexual strategy be used in any scientific study more than 1-2 years ago? Those contextualized slang words didn't exist then. Your obsession with finding exact terminology is in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/17 04:53 PM
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human female sexuality as well as duel mating strategy in particular (which is the backbone of what 'alpha' and 'beta' refers to in a sexual strategy context) is researched extensively in this paper published by two women at UCLA: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/comm/haselton/papers/downloads/pillsworth_haseltonARSR.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjlvLj5-IjSAhWU2YMKHTSAAE4QFggfMAA&usg=AFQjCNG0BGt-oDC8t4KiSCQbhHoDsZAvUg&sig2=WuSClVcdPbCL1FHIrhgzeQ The 'good genes hy…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/17 06:44 PM
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And men don't really care being ignored by the vast majority of women gunning for the top 20% of attractive men. We do what we must because we can. And the point is average men CAN succeed. It's simply a numbers game, after all. Your feelings aside, men are going to operate predictably in ways that benefit them. Don't hate men, hate the game!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 04:57 AM
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If men had higher standards for themselves, basing a right swipe on more than just looks, I wonder what the percentages would look like. Much worse, since they'd have even less opportunity to market themselves to more women, resulting in less matches, or possibly no matches. Casting a smaller net obviously catches less fish
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 04:39 AM
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You are not wrong in a sense- it is true that both people must swipe right on each other to match. But you are underestimating the context by which this match occurs- the dating marketplace dynamics at play. The man 'picks' who he swipes right on, but this isn't a fair comparison to when a woman 'picks' a right swipe. https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a Female Tinder usage data was col…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 03:51 AM
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Actually most relationships resulting from dating apps has the male being 'chosen' by the female, and then deciding if compatibility is there. Men being able to successful compete (get a right swipe) is a prerequisite to even being considered for compatibility. So you are correct coming from a female perspective that doesn't comprehend how difficult it is for an average man to even get to the stage where he can be judged for compatibility. You just assume that the act of being judged is a given …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 01:52 AM
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Eat lots of gummy bears
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 04:51 AM
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In any case, older men (other things equal) are per definition of lower value than younger men, so the risk of being duped by a lower quality older man is higher. But 'other things' are rarely equal. An older man may have less smv, but he is much more likely to have things like a house, money, status, stability- all high value beta qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 04:31 AM
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If you have no interest in having children then your reasoning makes sense. Although I'm curious to know the source of the happiness claim
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 07:52 PM
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Oh I don't disbelieve your source I was just updating it to the actual paper, didn't mean to imply that. And yes it makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/17 07:45 PM
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here's the actual source: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/f817/edd3196b93e21b8ad673234c017b09dfbb82.pdf They say 5% to 10%, but this paper is from 2003
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/17 07:38 PM
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Thanks for this write-up. I think the biggest issue regarding prenups is that very few couples use them, perhaps due to social stigma or a belief that divorce couldn't possibly happen. Maybe guys are too afraid to bring it up as a discussion topic. 5% of marriages have prenups (http://www.streetdirectory.com/travel_guide/13993/legal_matters/a_harvard_law_school_takes_a_look_at_prenuptial_agreements.html)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/17 07:22 PM
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I'm more interested in what happens more often, in a predictable manner. Especially pertaining to modern society. Wake up call- most people don't chat on anonymous forums for dating in 2017. Most people need to know what you look like first, online or in person. Sorry but 'noticing someone's personality' before their physical appearance is extremely rare. Yes it happens, but its rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 04:37 PM
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No shit. Humans are all inherently biased.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 04:19 PM
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Not single and not unhappy. Reporting for duty!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 04:16 PM
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Again, I agree with the idea that personality changes perceptions. Again, I disagree with your use of 'foot in the door' to refer to anything but initial contact. If you are in a conversation, then you are already past that stage, and that is not what I'm referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 04:06 PM
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You don't seem to understand the phrase 'foot in the door' as it relates to even the most basic psychological concepts of first impressions. A series of experiments by Princeton psychologists Janine Willis and Alexander Todorov reveal that all it takes is a tenth of a second to form an impression of a stranger from their face, and that longer exposures don’t significantly alter those impressions. Talking to someone on an online forum or in person for extended periods of time are past 'foot in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 03:25 PM
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How is personality going to get you in the door on a website that doesn't enable you to use or demonstrate your personality? ...that's the point I was making. You just explained why personality isn't important in the modern dating marketplace, in terms of getting a foot in the door Obviously personality is more important once you actually meet up with someone So I disagreed with your comment saying personality gets you in the door. It doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 02:47 PM
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Please explain how personality gets more right swipes on tinder. How does personality 'get you in the door' before you are even allowed to engage in conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 02:27 PM
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What you're saying makes sense. I was just poking fun at the chance there was subconscious cognitive dissonance at play.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 04:45 PM
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How do you know you didn't self-rationalize your 'lack of attraction' because you weren't single?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 03:55 PM
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did you just summon a counter-argument on your first turn??
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 05:31 PM
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And I would agree with that. Here is where I disagree- infatuation (your definition of love) is not a reliable indicator of a positive lifelong partnership.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/17 06:14 PM
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That's called infatuation. Aka puppy love. Aka honeymoon phase. Generally lasts 2-3 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/17 04:59 PM
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Lol I wasn't a holocaust survivor. But lifting made it easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 08:05 PM
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I'm pretty skinny, and lifting has definitely improved my quality of life. Small things like being able to lift my gf and carry her around. And of course slightly defined muscles are better looking than no muscles. Common sense imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 07:23 PM
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...he's the president of the United States. Come on now, throw him a bone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 06:28 PM
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Yeah I agree. I'm fiddling with the semantics which is why I put apostrophes around 'attraction' to differentiate between comfort attraction and what the ucla pillsworth paper defines as 'genetic' attraction. (good genes hypothesis)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 05:22 PM
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one of the core pillars of rp sexual strategy is the acknowledgement that women also utilize sexual strategy- the main hypothesis being that dual mating is one of those strategies. Meaning the concept of there being different types of 'attraction' falls in the realm of the dual mating hypothesis. Also, the idea isn't that 'beta attraction' doesn't exist. The rp criticism is that male 'beta' sexual strategy is no longer the best strategy to use in modern times.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 05:11 PM
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Trump is 'attractive' in that he's the ultimate provider. He's rich and powerful. Trump is not 'attractive' in that he doesn't inspire raw sexual arousal through traits such as facial symmetry, body morphology, or youthful vitality. He does have a childish dominant/aggressive personality, which may possibly help. Also a deep vocal tone may help. 'Attraction' isn't always sexual. Beta vs alpha attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 03:43 PM
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what do you fear most, in the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 03:19 AM
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Guys attractive enough to compete on online dating apps usually succeed despite holding beliefs that may be self-sabotaging For everyone else, there's mastercard sexual strategy Your true test will be how you handle a LTR (assuming that is your goal). Getting a date is only the first step
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 03:57 PM
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The Order of the White Lotus has been making some odd recruitment decisions lately...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 03:43 PM
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I also agree. I think the underlying subconcious mechanisms that influence sexual desires are subtly different for men and women. From an evo psych view, our conscious behavior is still influenced by these instinctual, sexual drives. To what extent we are influenced is still up for debate. I disagree most with those that believe we are totally in control of our bodies, independent from our evolutionary heritage and genetics, as if the recent development of conscious thought somehow nullifies a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/17 06:46 PM
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I saw a recent r/okcupid thread about a guy who noticed all his dates appear to 'not care' as much as he did- they were late, forgot the time, didn't contribute to conversation, etc. This could be because he was outside his league. Or maybe he wasn't demanding enough from his dates. If you are fully invested in a date, the problem occurs when your date is obviously not invested. It means you care more than she does, which comes across as desperate and shows lack of self-respect. If a girl puts i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/17 03:51 PM
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Actually feminists also acknowledge dating market changes. Here's an example from a few days ago: http://nypost.com/2017/05/13/childish-men-are-to-blame-for-women-having-kids-late-in-life/ The slant is that men are to blame (of course) but at least the author recognizes there's a problem- the number of 'eligible' men to start a family with is decreasing! Why do you think dating market problems are delusions?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/17 03:40 PM
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A lot of "it's obvious!" going around. But is it? Experiments like these show how little personality matters when the attraction threshold is high enough, when the goal is casual sex. This is an uncomfortable truth for women claiming to find a certain type of man (kind respectful feminist etc) attractive, when in reality none of those qualities matters in the slightest. But what does 'attractive' mean, in this case? Here's the not so obvious part- this comes back to entertaining the concept of w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 02:39 AM
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I remember reading an article on how public opinion differs between China and the US regarding ethics/morals on human cloning and genetic manipulation. There was a staggering difference- China is definitely leading this type of genetic research simply because they don't have the same ethical red tape/laws as US, and Gattaca is closer to reality than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 01:56 AM
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No one has said otherwise... and insinuating I believe men are entitled to sex has nothing to do with your own preferences for casual partners. I'm agreeing with what your behavior demonstrates- 'niceness' isn't a short term attraction indicator. The "why won't she sex up nice guys" was rhetorical. I wasn't arguing that you should be expected to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 10:38 PM
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I think OP may be an undercover mole working to validate rp by rewarding misogynistic men with sex. Why won't she sex up all those 'nice guys'?? I will add that being 'nice' can be a good beta trait for LTRs, not relevant for casual encounters.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 09:47 PM
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True. I'm all about common sense and not going out of your way to annoy someone. But it's inevitable some women will be annoyed- the risk of rejection is always present.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 07:04 PM
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I think part of the male experience chagrin comes from women claiming certain spaces (clubs, bars) are acceptable for flirting or approach while others are off limits, many of these men don't realize this just filters out undesirable (not 'confident') men from approaching at all. So in this case, 'confidence' means ignoring internalized restriction of natural sexual interest, because it may 'offend' women. I think this partially answers your earlier question on how 'confidence' in a dating conte…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 06:50 PM
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Ah yes. The 'we like men with confidence, but don't feel pressured to conform to gender norms' doublespeak. Classic. Social awkward loser = afraid to approach for a date... Are you indirectly calling the author a loser, since she admits to hating making the initial approach when dating? Not sure I follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 06:37 PM
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The entire feminist concept of toxic masculinity is based around getting men to not feel ashamed of being vulnerable, emotional, and sensitive. The second article basically ridicules men that are vulnerable, emotional, and sensitive. Why the struggle, gentlemen? Are Seattle women too independent or career driven or, for lack of a better word, scary? Seems very hypocritical to mock men for following feminist agenda. When a woman is consistently left with the check and the burden of asking for a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 05:37 PM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/soloish/wp/2016/09/13/im-a-feminist-whos-attracted-to-manly-men/ http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/guest-whatrsquos-wrong-with-seattlersquos-dating-scene/ 2 minutes of Google found these
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 05:18 PM
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The irony is that your 'thought experiment' is actually happening for men, at an observable and systemic level. Not overnight of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 08:14 PM
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You mean like the feminist run Brown University 'rape list' that has been in the news this past week? It finally received scrutinity after it was proven without doubt that a male student was falsely accused. For over 3 years this group operated using a mentality of accused = guilty. Who is protecting men from witch trial accusations that have the power to ruin lives? College campuses kick out accused male students.. even after they are proven innocent. Welcome to real life. Discrimination runs r…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 06:39 PM
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The dating marketplace is inherently biased towards men approaching and asking women on dates. Saying it's rude for men to not pay is adhering to traditional gender roles. Coincidently this traditional gender role benefits women. Yet another example of cherry-picking equality at work by feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 06:24 PM
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The women I've talked with irl also appear to genuinely believe male bc is a good thing. Kinda surprised me actually. Take this example from my last job- a mid-20s male coworker wasn't interested in kids... suddenly 'oopsie!' Wife gets pregnant and he needs to get a new job closer to home, something that he didn't want to do either. This kind of blatant life-altering (and perfectly legal) manipulation will be over once male bc is an option. Currently women do not require their male partners to c…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 04:54 PM
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Earlier you complained about overweight men. What kind of men are you pursuing? Are they... more attractive than a 5, or less? Are you trying to date up... or down? The men that approach you appear to be dating down from your perspective. Do you think these men believe they are dating down when they approach you? Just coming up with rhetorical questions that may be useful. I'm not trying to provide any answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 07:56 PM
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Do you actually want the hard truth on where you are on the looks scale as told by guys on PPD? This is just a picture of your face. Your personality might offput guys in terms of rmv, but it should have no affect on smv (securing a first date for example).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 07:06 PM
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You would be surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 06:37 PM
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Right. Ever since I started my LLC I've been in a promotion rut!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 05:12 PM
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Hahaha what is this? The 1950s? No one is getting 'promoted' with regularity anymore... that was back when men had lifetime employers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 04:41 PM
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Furthermore as a women the probability of getting a divorce against your will is drastically lower. 70-80% of all US divorces are initiated by women, so your marriage will be much more likely to last if you decide it should last.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 04:29 PM
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Well I have 10 pussy passes. They are currently being funded on kickstarter by the patriarchy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 10:00 PM
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It's funny you say that, because riots are one of the few places where pussy pass appears to be absent. A few days ago an antifa girl made headlines after tweeting about how she was going to 'collect Nazi scalps' at Baltimore. She confronted a literal ex-marine Neo Nazi and was punched in the face on live stream, she needed treatment for concussion. Afterwards she launched an indiegogo campaign asking for hospital fee handouts. To be clear I do not support Nazis or Antifa. But when you say thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:18 PM
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But if all the men are sensitive and emotional, who's going to punch Nazis in the face for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 07:49 PM
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"It’s not a question of painting too black a picture. It’s a question of taking precautions."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 07:18 PM
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Here's what i think. To believe one can just ignore or overcome thousands of years of evolutionary programming, instincts, and drives with sheer willpower is naive and counterproductive to achieving self-actualization. It is the deadly sin of pride, and its flip side shame, to believe humanity is both above our genetic predispositions, and to be ashamed of our evolutionary heritage. The antidote to this destructive way of thinking is a big dose of humility. Not complete acceptance of our genetic…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 07:56 PM
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I suppose that's more a nature vs nurture argument then, we will have to agree to disagree. Although I do believe both nature and nurture play integral roles, perhaps I lean more towards nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 06:46 PM
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Dr. Albert Mehrabian, author of Silent Messages, conducted several studies on nonverbal communication. He found that 7% of any message is conveyed through words, 38% through certain vocal elements, and 55% through nonverbal elements (facial expressions, gestures, posture, etc). For me, recognizing all forms of meaningful communication is integral to understanding the core of being, rather than cherry picking concious verbalization as the sole representative of human will.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 06:34 PM
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Read my recent edit to my last comment
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 05:40 PM
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Ok so let me get this straight. For thousands of years humans are instinctually driven to have sex. Then suddenly we develop consciousness, and are now magically free from millennia of genetic code, allowing us to completely ignore our biological drives when choosing to have sex. Because reasons. Protip: the development of our consciousness didn't replace millennia of neurological evolution, it added to it. Think of your consciousness as a governer of a small town. Sexual desire is a prominent i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 05:32 PM
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You do realize our conscious behavior is heavily influenced by subconscious instincts and biological scripts, right? Your body hasn't evolved to tell the difference between sex when contraceptives are involved vs when they are not involved. Saying you don't have sex for procreation is like saying you don't eat candy for it's nutritional value. That's missing the point- the human body has evolved over thousands of years to assume sugar = nutritionally rich, and that sex = procreation. So your arg…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 04:51 PM
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Sex is a component of biology. Women control the eggs, a precious resource available in limited quantities. Women 'gate-keep' the eggs. Seems like a reasonable metaphor to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 04:28 PM
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This is correct. But the beta strategy has become less viable rp would argue. That being said any ltr requires at least some beta traits to succeed. Not every man is interested in a countless stream of one night stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/17 04:59 PM
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This isn't a real personality type. Tsunderes are a fictional construct and don't actually exist in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 01:28 PM
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OP is up to those old tricks again! Also mods please delete this shit-post thread
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 12:46 PM
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OP up top isnt making distinction between smv and rmv. I agree that n-count doesn't affect raw attraction. For short flings or a ons high n-count doesn't matter. For LTRs high n-count represents a higher long-term risk. Although context is always key to making a proper risk assessment call. If a girl goes out partying every weekend for 4 years of her college life, why would I believe she is capable at remaining in a monogamous relationship after she has 'had her fun and wants something serious?'…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/17 03:47 PM
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Private fleet drivers can make well over 70k per year.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/17 03:28 PM
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No, unless she is being forced against her will. I'm sure there are plenty of 'incel' or otherwise lazy guys out there that benefit from 'adult services.' Would I have a ons with one? If she's clean why not. Would I date one? Probably not. Is it good female strategy to utilize your most powerful asset for money? Yes, I suppose in the short-term it's a great strategy. But due to the way prostitutes make less money as they age- it makes a poor long-term strategy without an exit plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/17 01:57 AM
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I'm not disputing your point. I thought it was obvious that high paying executives in cushy, safe offices make more than most people. These are the jobs women want access to. But this doesn't fit the equality or earnings gap narrative. Women specifically avoid dangerous jobs, despite these jobs having much better pay than, say, positions in female dominated careers like education.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 07:00 PM
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Might as well put drug dealing and gang warfare on the list then.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 05:55 PM
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Is prostitution a legal job?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 05:43 PM
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I agree with everything you just said. You just explained why women choose to avoid these high paying jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 05:25 PM
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The evidence can be found in the death gap. Similar to the wage gap- the death gap shows how many women and men die each year from work related injuries. Women have under 100, men have over 5000 per year. The top most dangerous jobs are all male dominated. One of those jobs is truck driving- something anyone can apply for regardless of gender. Where are all the female truck drivers?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 05:09 PM
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Are you aware of the statistics on workplace deaths per year? I recall it being under 100 for women and over 5000 for men. There is a difference between a 'shitty' job and a job that literally carries the risk of ending your life. The top most dangerous jobs are all coincidentally male dominated. Things like truck driving. Women could take these high paying, high risk jobs at any time, they just choose not to. This is the real cause of the earnings gap- safe and family friendly jobs typically pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 05:00 PM
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Then we are in agreement it seems. I think AA had its time and place in history as a necessary evil. I can't argue against its effectiveness to recalibrate the workforce. But the line needs to be drawn at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 06:59 PM
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my hypothetical was intended to be a standalone situation, I didn't intend it to mean every female candidate for a managerial role only got there because of affirmative action. There are plenty of companies who hire both men and women based on merit alone. My point was to illustrate how feminism, and in particular affirmative action, actually can work against the concept of authority and respect for women in the workplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 06:21 PM
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Are you asking if gender-based affirmative action in the US is real? Given the nature of how 'quotas' are not official endorsed as affirmative action, yet are obviously used 'under the table' to reach affirmative action 'goals,' it's a bit difficult to accurately measure just how often it affects hiring decisions at a national or state level.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 06:07 PM
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So you admit to being shamelessly biased against men. My question had nothing to do with competency, but with perceived level of respect based on hiring methodology.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 04:27 PM
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Let me pose to you a question. Say you are at work, and 2 new managers are going to be hired that you will now work under. One manager is a women who was hired mostly to fill a gender diversity quota. She can still do the job, but there were much more qualified individuals that were denied the position due to being male. The other new manager is a man, hired because his merit and achievements stood above all the other applicants. Both of these managers could be extremely competent at their jobs.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/17 04:05 PM
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Don't forget the goblins!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 05:32 AM
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So... marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/17 09:50 PM
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Relationship market value. As opposed to sexual market value.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 06:57 PM
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people like to have their cake and eat it too. Which means people that lie and pretend to be interested in a monogamous relationship for the security/reliability of a long term partner, but then either cheat in secret or try to convert the monogamous relationship to an "open" relationship. I believe serial monogamy is the end game of female sexual strategy, so it will inevitably be what becomes more 'the norm' in terms of social acceptance. Open relationships are also an option but don't appeal …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 11:31 PM
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Absolutely not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/17 11:53 PM
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I don't think you understand the concept of SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/17 11:27 PM
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It only appears as if average women have far greater SMV than average guys (and only in those weird corners on the internet) because the bottom 5%ers of the SMP convinced themselves that the only reason they can't get laid is because women hate average men. This is absolutely false and okcupid has the data to prove it. From https://theblog.okcupid.com/your-looks-and-your-inbox-8715c0f1561e#.nvdistaz0 women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh. On the other hand…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/17 11:14 PM
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The 'redpill' concept of shit testing aka 'fitness testing' is not really a male behavior, at least in a psychological sense. Page 79 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/comm/haselton/papers/downloads/pillsworth_haseltonARSR.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjlvLj5-IjSAhWU2YMKHTSAAE4QFggfMAA&usg=AFQjCNG0BGt-oDC8t4KiSCQbhHoDsZAvUg&sig2=WuSClVcdPbCL1FHIrhgzeQ The benefits of preferring partners with qualities desired in long-term social partners can be gained throughout th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/17 03:25 PM
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I've brought up in the past that female n-count loosely correlates with divorce rates, but in real life every woman has already had at least 1 partner- the thing that really matters is context. Also expectations. If a girl has past partners in LTRs, so what. For the most part it means she is at least capable of 2-3 year long partnerships. If she sleeps around with strangers every weekend or has a 'reputation' that tells me she lacks self-control or is impulsive. Which is also fine for more casua…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/17 06:03 AM
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'Feminist' is such a loaded word that it could mean anything. Many young woman claim to be 'feminist' because it's a generic liberal in-group identifier, or really believe men are given a huge advantage over women in all aspects of life by 'the patriarchy' For me personally I don't judge someone based on their worldview, but rather how they respond when I casually bring up a criticism or piece of contradictory information. Do they engage in a rational, receptive manner? Or do they get angry and …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/17 11:20 PM
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You are right... this isn't a scientific study.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/17 06:05 PM
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Chat? Do I event want to know...?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 07:44 PM
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There may be some overlap. It helps reduce confusion as to what alpha and beta means when a distinction can be made from personality attributes like 'aggression' which may be part of an alpha strategy, but is not required to utilize an alpha strategy. Likewise, there are men using beta strategies that are also very aggressive personality-wise. So then when some attractive guy walks in a bar and starts aggressively talking to girls, I might initially think "wow he's so alpha." But when I listen i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 12:27 AM
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Every time I see a thread like this I do a mental facepalm. Alpha and beta are not inherently 'good' or 'bad', they are just sexual strategies used by men. Alpha type strategies focus around raw sexual desire, while beta strategies are resource and stability oriented. The only 'bad' thing about beta strategies today is our current social-cultural climate which ultimately punishes men who enter marriage contracts, which are often weaponized by women as economic unions of convenience. Any 'success…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 08:53 PM
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I absolutely agree. There is no such thing as feminism which is why the people using those concepts can't ever seem to agree on the definition of them and have to make up sub-categories like 'second wave feminist' or 'third wave feminist'. It's all bullshit, tho. For real tho, why study any sexual, social, or cultural phenomenon? It's all BS according to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 08:43 PM
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According to okcupid's dataclysm study, the average age of women messaged by a 32 year old man is 26, while the average preferred age of women for a 32 year old man is 20 So if you prefer woman your own age, congrats on being atypical of average male dating preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 03:39 PM
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Haha you sound just like my younger gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/17 06:01 PM
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Why wouldn't an LTR work out? You mean like your LTR?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/17 05:31 PM
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His friends are jelly. What man wouldn't prefer a 24 year old vs 30+ year old, when not facing any social repercussions or shaming?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/17 05:17 PM
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They can marry, but not the same value man as previously available when younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/17 04:53 PM
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You may be right about prenups. To be honest I haven't found much data on their overall effectiveness, other than they can still be voided for reasons such as "signed under duress" or "is too lopsided" Edit: wow I just read that only 5% of divorces in the US have prenup agreements. Blows my mind. Maybe because of the social stigma?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 08:13 PM
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Prenups used to be difficult to void, not the case now. An economic union that can be broken without fault is a union of ecomomic convenience.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 07:55 PM
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All fine and well. The problem is wealth accumulated before the marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 07:51 PM
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How about this as an example then. Wife walks into a bank and empties half the life savings (300k) of her blue collar worker husband on the advice of her lawyer. He literally breaks down and cries in the bank. This isn't 'protection.' It's legal theft.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 06:59 PM
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And no, I don't think being unhappy and wanting out means it's a whimsical decision made on the fly without true thought of consequences. I don't call 3k a month for child care payed by the ex husband "worse off financially" I don't look at marital property division laws as "incentives" but "protections," Who 'protected' Elon Musk from losing 16 million to his ex from divorce settlements? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 06:39 PM
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You assert that women divorce when dissatisied with a relationship, but a recent study showed that when it comes to (not-married) relationships, it's almost split 50/50 by gender on who initiates the breakup. Both men AND women end relationships on 'whims' all the time. (https://www.google.com/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_55d61f03e4b0ab468da049bb/amp?client=ms-android-verizon) social scientists previously argued that women were more likely to initiate divorce simply because they were more sens…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 05:41 PM
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I'm not singling out 'independent' women. I've even dated a few. anyone has the potential to act shitty, given enough motivation (revenge). It's just that, a man can't self-inflict an injury, call the cops, and expect his false story of domestic violence to be taken seriously. A woman can.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 09:25 PM
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http://imgur.com/fVcLIgs
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 09:17 PM
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I think 'afraid' is the wrong word. I think some men may have a preference to avoid dating women that are 'strong and independent' Men that are aware of how biased the police and court system are against them, are afraid of having their entire life go down the toilet in a matter of days. This fear, taken in healthy doses, keeps us alert and aware of risk management.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 08:50 PM
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I think marriage 1.0 was flawed because monogamy doesn't appear to be something women enjoy long term, and certainly not for a lifetime. Marriage benefit society, but both men and women lost- being forced to live with someone not attracted to you can be miserable. Now marriage 2.0 exits, but more and more men (and also 'feminist' women that still believe marriage is part of the patriarchy lol) are opting out. So the next big surge will be in casual sex/LTR lifestyles. If this trend continues the…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 12:28 AM
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I also find it perplexing. I can't count the number of times I've heard women describing their sexual 'conquests' as if it were an achievement. I mean, I have no interest in judging them for the act itself, but it just seemed off. Like they don't understand the difference in time and energy an average guy needs to put in to have casual sex vs a girl who goes to the club every weekend, makes eye contact with some dude, then calls it a night.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 05:11 AM
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What are you investing into these encounters? Not money (dates), not energy (he must text more), not sex. Why would a man of value choose to expend so much time, energy, and money for nothing? There is no equal value transaction taking place, the guy values an unknown chance of sex more than his own time, energy, and money. It's pitiful. 3 or 4 dates works to guage an interest in sex because it limits sunk cost fallacy thinking for high value men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/17 04:11 AM
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regarding your latest edit on male athletes, i found this to be relevant: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3132243/Women-cry-feel-helpless-men-cry-team-wins-Scientists-reveal-tears-joy-male-phenomenon.html When reacting to upsetting events, women cry up to four times as often as men, according to Professor Ad Vingerhoets, a leading authority on crying. However men let the tears flow more often when they experience something positive, for example when their sports team wins an impor…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/17 09:59 PM
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I'm willing to believe men are split into either valuing LTRs more or multiple partners more, perhaps depending on biological (testosterone levels, genetics) or social/cultural environments. This preference can also change over time, especially since hormones like testosterone can be influenced by external stimuli. Men will pursue, either consciously or subconsciously, an ideal mating strategy based on these factors. It makes sense to me that certain men are predisposed to certain strategies. Hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/17 12:32 AM
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I'm surprised no one's posted a single reference yet. Here's one I just found on google: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.livescience.com/51183-tim-hunt-why-women-cry.html on average, women cry two to five times a month, or three to five times more often than men, according to research reported by psychologists Ivan Nyklicek, Lydia Temoshok and Ad Vingerhoets, all of Tilburg University in the Netherlands, in the book "Emotional Expression and Health" (Routledge, 2004). The crying discrepancy is pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 07:56 PM
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So... you WERE turned off by his inability to control his emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 07:35 PM
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I already addressed that argument in my first post. Sorry you don't understand my reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 12:19 AM
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Read the OP, no one actually said that at a bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 11:46 PM
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Hah fair enough. One if the reasons I buy into 'hot enough to get away with ___' is because of articles like this: http://www.tinderseduction.com/male-model-tinder-case-study/
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 09:59 PM
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This thread is dumb because the entire context for the 'pill' subreddits is to discuss sexual strategy. There is nothing 'creepy' about it, and ironically the fact OP can't differentiate this context between subreddit analysis and real life interactions makes OP the one lacking basic critical thinking skills. Obviously it's 'creepy' to tell a woman she is 'fertile' to her face at a bar. Unless the guy is hot enough to get away with it, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 09:13 PM
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This is why "No More Mr Nice Guy" by Robert Glover is listed as required RP reading material. It absolutely is manipulative to live unauthentically and to act a certain way (nice) with hidden expectations. And it leads to "beta orbiter" behaviors that ultimately is a losing male sexual strategy leading to anger and frustration. Men should not be ashamed of their desires or try to hide their intentions, and there are ways to go about communicating these desires through certain healthy actions and…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 09:35 PM
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It's a messy subject to draw conclusions from. From a causation perspective we also need to take into account income levels, race, culture, education, etc, so I would easily believe that could be true. Kind of like how when I researched into how likely it is for female-breadwinner marriages to end in divorce, there was not much difference to male-breadwinner marriages- but only with high income households.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/17 07:07 PM
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I think the logical reasoning for men being critical of high n-count (and minimising risk from divorce) is based on the studies showing divorce rates go up as female partner count increases before marriage. So the correlation is there, and causation is up for debate. Also remember that divorce is largely initiated by the woman in the US, over 70-80% of the time if I am not mistaken. Article: http://www.medicaldaily.com/sex-marriage-premarital-sex-divorce-rate-sex-partners-first-comes-loves-then-…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/17 06:38 PM
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Redpill isn't a single ideology. It's a praxeology, more like a toolbox of strategies, advice, and collective wisdom. Readers can pick and choose concepts, ideologies, and philosophy as they choose but the 'tools' are amoral. It is much more helpful to criticize specific ideas and concepts than to lump all of redpill into a single (false) worldview. You may be surprised at the amount of men that find certain redpill concepts useful, but certainly don't hate women, or even see themselves as super…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/16 06:45 PM
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https://i.imgur.com/JahMpHf.png
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/16 01:26 AM
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Mating strategies for both men and women are amoral, pretty sure that is a core teaching of RP. To say it is 'evil' is just moralic acid vomit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/16 05:29 AM
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It's a good distinction to make between an 'equal value' relationship and a one sided relationship. Because it's true- not every girl wants to walk through a relationship gate where reciprocation is expected. Most girls walk through the bastardized one-sided gateway, because why not...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 04:21 PM
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Free stuff. Free attention. Free emotional support. Free 'favors'. Have you never witnessed an attractive girl with multiple beta orbiters before? They certainly value these 'relationships' that men pump time, energy, and money into.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 04:02 PM
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Funny thing- in Japan there are women that will pay for a 'boyfriend experience' (male host bar where Japanese career women went to have a boyfriend experience with male emotional prostitutes. The only thing these woman got out of thousands of dollars expended were male attention for a couple of hours.)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 03:56 PM
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Here's my view- it doesn't really matter, assuming exclusivity isn't assumed on the part of the 'friend'. For example if I'm befriended by a girl and she wants to 'date' for a while before she's 'comfortable' with physical intimacy, and she has LTR potential, then I'm willing to spend some time to get to know her. (Subjective- some guys just aren't looking to 'waste' time on a friendship stage before the intimate stage. Totally understandable since there are plenty of girls out there willing to …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 05:45 AM
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You bring up a point I think RP fails to realize somewhat- there ARE females that lean more towards Thinking vs Feeling (MBTI test). However, look up any statistics showing male/female comparisons for MBTI results- it's a pretty clear indicator that most if not all the 'Feeling' types are over 60%-70% female. RP seeks to generalize gender stereotypes not because they are always right, but because it leads to higher probabilities of understanding/success with the opposite gender in random situati…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 06:07 PM
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I don't think we are in disagreement
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 11:41 PM
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Sounds like you never needed to value men for just their resources. The fact you tied down an attractive man into a committed relationship means you yourself are attractive enough to do so. Many woman are no longer capable at securing commitment from a 'hot' guy, especially past age 30-35. They need to settle for what they can get- a provider that isn't (as) sexually attractive as previous partners. Basically I'm saying that when a woman nets commitment from a partner, alpha traits are a luxury …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 04:21 PM
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Alpha and beta are not personality types- just mating strategies. You may be thinking of blue pill vs red pill, which probably indicate different personalities/wordviews. Your fiancé provides emotional comfort and commitment (beta) and is 'hot' enough to attract you (alpha). Dual strategy. But probably more emphasis on alpha, since he isn't even contributing financially. It's obvious you value how he makes you feel vs his resources
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 03:42 PM
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A pure alpha mating strategy works when a man can secure a mate based purely on sexual attraction- either through how he looks, behavior, or combination of both. ('Aggression' might play a role, but is definitely not always part of an alpha strategy) Women are reluctant to commit to a pure alpha because she knows he will always have options, and is less likely to honor long-term commitment (because he doesn't need to) A pure beta mating strategy brings comfort and resources to the table- a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 03:19 PM
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Define 'success' though. Plenty of marriages exist (without divorce), but simply existing does not also equal 'success' imo. I'm interested in the probability of a 'successful' marriage, although subjective realities such as 'happiness' are tough to quantify
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 06:13 PM
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I commented elsewhere in this thread earlier that I fully support child support regardless of marriage status. It absolutely should be both parent's responsibility. Not sure why you think I think otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 01:20 AM
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Good point. Also there has been a rise in women that are now primary breadwinners in marriage. A topic for another day being if these types of partnerships work...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 05:53 PM
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Was just pointing out that modern woman are no longer getting married under the age of 25, on average. What was once a trade between a woman's 'best', youthful years and a man's full time, energy, and financial commitment to raise children has now become a different trade: a man is still expected to give his 'best' commitment to raise and provide for children and the family, but now the woman is past her 'best' years. The value trade is uneven. If we want to use age 35 as the benchmark, then a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 04:58 PM
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You are right, no shortage of men looking to marry a woman that also brings value to the table. But times are changing, woman and men are getting married older, and at dwindling rates. At what point do men realize their 29 year old "young fertile woman", as you put it, is nearing or past her biological prime?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 04:14 PM
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Some interesting sentiments for sure. But remember, we must not only come to conclusions from what spouses say (lack of commitment, not enough effort, etc) but also what they do (80% of all divorced marriages initiated by women) Cheating is split about 50-50 between both sexes, I can agree with that. But that doesn't account for why woman initiate divorce at dramatically higher rates then men do. The 80% figure I'm using is averaged out using all US states. Some states are closer to 90%, others …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 03:51 PM
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I fully support financial responsibility to a child, regardless if marriage is involved. Those statistics are odd. Can you source them? I'd be interested to know if that 70% statistic is even close to being true. I was under the impression that no-fault divorces initiated by the woman were also very common, since it is almost always a better financial decision for her if she no longer wants to stay with the husband (for any imaginable reason). The husband only stands to lose from a divorce if he…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 03:37 PM
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Even without marriage men are still on the hook for child support, so children are always provided for. And these female 'marriage benefits' (aka divorce prizes) only manifest from financial assets assuming the man is the primary breadwinner. If he's a stay at home dad- he may actually be incentivized to divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 03:23 PM
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What about men that want a family but don't want to sign a contract that takes away any leverage they have on the long term viability of the relationship? Over 80% of all divorces come from women, but divorce isn't an issue if I don't sign up. So why not live together and have a family without getting married as a potential fair solution? Men are not the ones wanting to break up established family units in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 02:54 PM
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What other sexual strategies are out there that don't require sexual attraction? If I didn't find women (physically) attractive, I wouldn't be trying to initiate sex with them. I would argue objectification (sexual attraction) isn't a sexual strategy, but a prerequisite for any masculine sexual strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 07:10 PM
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Words have meaning. A well known thought experiment has a person try to explain a general term or word, and by diving deeper into what defines that word, defining those words as well until a semantic wall is hit, and the word can no longer be described. Your 'wall' was hit at defining the word "object", which honestly means you don't have a very good understanding, or foundation, for using the word "objectification". Perhaps the concept of "object" can not be totally separated from "sexual attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 06:53 PM
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In response to your last sentence, I think the concept of sleeping around 'hurting' women has more to do with common female goals and long term ideals being broken by sleeping around. Basically any woman that wants to settle down and have a family with an attractive (high value) man can easily find one when the woman is young and attractive herself. Imo the reason woman are 'hurt' by promiscuity isn't so much that the promiscuous behavior itself is bad (although there are arguments for and again…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 04:39 PM
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