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Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)

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6	Feminist scholars claim that Australian MRAs are conspiring against feminism by hijacking Men'sHealth. My favorite are the footnotes that reference what "mras" have done, and the foot note is just a person's name and title with no original publication. They are just pulling random shitheads who blog and don't have any organization behind them and claiming they are representing mras. So unbelievably dishonest it's amazing.	/r/MensRights	03/01/23 05:34 PM
-5	Divorce for guys sucks ass Divorce sucks for everyone involved. It sucks even more for the breadwinner regardless of gender.	/r/MensRights	18/02/21 09:23 PM
2	The lie of male suicide To be blunt- I never once got the show no emotions schtick from my dad. He did make sure I knew to be in a safe place before I did because people will use them as a weapon.	/r/MensRights	18/02/21 09:22 PM
2	Do you guys hate feminism as much as MensRights? Yeesh, might wanna think again about trafficking being mostly women. Sex trafficking, maybe. But the amount of boys in slave labor is pretty damn high. There was an article recently-ish about a ship in Aus that had a crew of basically all boys and all held captive. Apparently the practice is pretty common, so you might wanna look elsewhere for a "worse" comparison.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	08/02/21 08:19 PM
-1	Harvard University Bans Single-Gender Clubs — Unless They’re Women-Only Good ole first proud boy Cecil, he's a fascinating dude and so much of his propaganda has been recycled by shitty people. It's not their color I hate, it is the fact that their culture is different. If they assimilate, then we'll make them citizens.	/r/MensRights	08/02/21 07:21 PM
2	PSA: Don't be fooled by menslib. This is literally her going 'not all women' but with complete sincerity. The thing is while the original could absolutely be misunderstood, he clarifies it to only the bad actors and she's still up in arms over it. The double standard here is fascinating.	/r/MensRights	08/02/21 06:45 PM
2	Rules for thee, but not for me Is that comic from SBMC edited or an original?	/r/MensRights	26/12/20 08:52 PM
2	Disturbing example of a judge with feminist convictions so strong she could not restrain herself during a rape trial so much it was deemed an unfair trial. This case will be retried. But one wonders about other rape trials she presides over, where she will restrain herself, but not her bias? Don't think you know what that word means. Your example of sexism is not. It is an example of people projecting their experiences with being circumcised onto you, and attempting to silence you via insults, but that isn't even a little bit close to sexist. I'm sorry for people calling you mutilated and that it hurt your feelings. I do feel like my parents mutilated me, and I really don't appreciate people tone policing my experience with circumcision just like you don't like it either. Now, I'm g…	/r/MensRights	14/12/20 08:03 PM
7	Depp loses libel case against The Sun newspaper Can you provide a source? I only ever saw a video of him hitting a cabinet that was edited down and in the full version you can see her antagonizing him and it is also immediately after the death of a family member. Grief does weird things, and it wasn't directed at her, so maybe I missed some evidence?	/r/MensRights	02/11/20 08:03 PM
19	Today I told a woman who was constantly interrupting me to stop talking and it felt wonderful That sub is beyond dumb. So often the author is intentionally writing the PoV of a sexist asshole and they hold it up as bad writing. It isn't supposed to be a good idea, it's supposed to let the reader know who the character is and how they see the world.	/r/MensRights	29/10/20 08:36 PM
4	Feminist language reform. Anyone else concerned by this? I feel like that is not really related at all	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	02/10/20 06:42 PM
3	On the male guilt/female innocence narrative. I loved Dave chappelle's take: "white women, you were in on the heist. You just didn't like your cut"	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	02/10/20 06:39 PM
21	I'm confused by this thread I think most people commenting fall into that, but absurd amount of removed comments/locked threads/bans from the mod team make it a pretty hostile place to try and have an open conversation. I think the blame rests almost entirely on the mod team.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	02/10/20 06:37 PM
24	I'm confused by this thread JFC, I'm sorry dude. That really sucks. MensLib is ironically one of the places I see toxic expectations of men on full display, and silencing men who were abused seems way too common there.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	02/10/20 06:35 PM
3	Long article from mainstream media on male victims of family violence Was genuinely surprised to see this article get called out on its bullshit on MensLib: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/ik9sc0/the_problem_facing_men_who_live_with_an_abusive/g3kgz0f I responded and echoed the sentiment and it's been vaguely well received. I really expected the ML users to double down on the "but what about the women" narrative the article was using.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	01/09/20 05:00 PM
3	Meanwhile, my male genitals were legally mutilated in the good old USA and nobody cares. This may come as a shock, but being a misandrist doesn't preclude you from being a misogynist. It seems like you're just a hateful person.	/r/MensRights	01/05/20 08:39 PM
3	The pro-male elements in the early Union Movement and conscripts who disobeyed their officers in WWI? It's definitely an intersectional space. I've been called a class reductionist for even trying to get these points addressed, so it tends to rub people the wrong way. From my experience that rub tends to come from well educated vaguely well off people who don't want to feel like part of the problem and is more a self defense reflex than anything else.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	01/05/20 07:56 PM
3	Jersey law is changed on fathers' rights after father takes his life following unsuccessful battle to get his children back after their mother took them abroad Yup. Really don't understand why we put legal rights and financial legal strings in the same bucket of things as an emotional relationship and/or religious ceremony depending on the people involved. Marriage just covers way too much, and is stupidly complicated. It isn't like we don't have all of the legal tools to do each of these things separately.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	01/05/20 07:49 PM
2	90% of male revenge porn victims are blackmailed: police rarely act \| 'The damage she caused was irreversible': 90% of male revenge porn victims are also blackmailed, but the police just don't care Porn with you in it that you distributed privately (generally to your significant other or your partner(s) you made it with). Y'all break up, then the ex posts it to pornhub. In this case it sounds like the ex did that after the man in the porn declined to respond to being blackmailed.	/r/MensRights	26/04/20 08:39 PM
3	FUUUUUUUCKKKK THE NIGGERS FUCKED US BROS THEY DIDN'T LISTEN TO US!!!!! WE NEEE A ETHNOSTATE WITHOUT NIGGERS NOWWWWWW FUCKING NOWWWWWWW NO NIGGERS!!!!! ONLY NIGGER WOMEN BULIT FOR PROGRESSIVE WHITE COCK!!!!! BWC BWC BWC!!!!! I LOVE NIGGÉR PUSSSSSYYYY!!!! I am a fan of little to no moderation, but ban this shit and this user. Fuck outta here with this.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	23/04/20 10:07 PM
0	So Only feminist can comment? goodmod	/r/MensRights	16/04/20 09:43 PM
2	Our most convince argument, men are raped more then women are, about 10%, however it is often seen as a joke and ignored by feminists when they actually acknowledge that they were raped Eh, questions can be loaded. JAQ (just asking questions) is a thing you can do ad a dog whistle when you're really just trying to engage in dishonest discussion. I will say that most people who say it's an issue can't tell the difference from an honest question vs a manipulative one for rhetorical purposes and are super overzealous about calling out JAQ.	/r/MensRights	16/04/20 09:26 PM
1	Instagram feminism takes support on men sexual assault Totally agree with you, but again I think that speaks a lot to our privilege. And that's something that's invisible until you get confronted with where you have gaps in knowledge by other people. After I've spent a decent amount of time engaging with people here, I can absolutely see their point about it being harmful. I don't know how many times I've tried to explain the technical definition to people on this sub. Sometimes they get, but it's often lost in translation and then they end up hosti…	/r/MensRights	13/04/20 12:56 AM
0	Instagram feminism takes support on men sexual assault Eh, I can see that. Especially with the original authors. I would say most people who support the easy to defend definition of toxic masculinity would not support the idea of "men are bad" that would be the Bailey in the fallacy. I don't think the fallacy holds up when it's just a miscommunication like I see most of the time. Imma stand by sex stereo types or traditional gender roles when I try to engage on the subject, but when I hear people mention TM in real life they are generally happy to c…	/r/MensRights	12/04/20 07:56 PM
1	Instagram feminism takes support on men sexual assault Marriage, a lot of people identify as unit and no longer an individual. Mr and Mrs John Doe (no Jane or anything there). There are plenty of other spaces where it happens in a religious context. Social constructs as self identity and classification of others is pretty standard and we are hardwired to do it. If you're interested in humourous book about it in a serious way there is a chapter on Hierarchy on the book A Brief History of Vice that touches on how we use these identifiers and construct…	/r/MensRights	12/04/20 07:50 PM
3	Hypergamy is the root cause of both the wage gap and the child care gap. It doesn't just harm men, but also harms women. It's great for the people it works for. It really is, but the idea that it is the "right" way is really oppressive.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	12/04/20 07:41 PM
1	Instagram feminism takes support on men sexual assault You may think you've been polite, but you've come across as really rude. Y'all pretty much agree, he's just trying to show you how the colloquial definitions of words clash with the strict academic definitions. This clash then leads to a huge misunderstanding between people like us who have been privileged enough to learn about this in an academic setting and people who only hear about this in passing. Surely you can understand how it could be productive for academia (which is relatively good at…	/r/MensRights	12/04/20 07:37 PM
2	Instagram feminism takes support on men sexual assault That's a much better term, and I like it a lot. Thanks. I don't mind the technical definition for toxic masculinity, but damn does it have a huge messaging problem. It's such a bad combination of words to mean negative outcomes of sex stereo types, and is so easily misunderstood.	/r/MensRights	12/04/20 07:21 PM
-1	Instagram feminism takes support on men sexual assault That's not what toxic masculinity means. Toxic Masculinity just means any social pressure that negatively affects men based on their gender. In this case, I'd say it's the pressure for men to always be strong and not need support. If you're arguing about whether the term Toxic Masculinity is a helpful term for actually communicating the idea... I would say your confusion and the rest of the responses on this thread really answer that. It's a terrible term, easily misunderstood as "men are bad" b…	/r/MensRights	12/04/20 07:19 PM
1	Screen Shot Of Me Confronting My Fellow Female Atheists On Reddit About False Sexual Assault Allegations In The Atheist Community You're scenario is accounted for. If he's convicted, his name would be public. If he's found innocent, his name would not be public. Not a secret trial. I feel like you're intentionally misunderstanding at this point.	/r/MensRights	12/04/20 07:12 PM
1	Screen Shot Of Me Confronting My Fellow Female Atheists On Reddit About False Sexual Assault Allegations In The Atheist Community Really don't think you know what secret trial means if you think publishing it all with just identifying info redacted is the same a secret trial. Publicly available records are the opposite of secret	/r/MensRights	12/04/20 07:08 PM
2	Why 2/3 of Breadtube is some version of genderfluid Huh, I've never framed it like that at all. That's a really good take. I'd never framed anything as authoritarian without a state behind it, but any organization or social movement with hierarchy could easily do the same things to exert to social pressure of conform or leave.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	12/04/20 06:51 PM
-2	Hypergamy is the root cause of both the wage gap and the child care gap. It doesn't just harm men, but also harms women. In seriousness, this whole post reeks of someone who still supports the idea of the nuclear family and doesn't understand that relationships come to an end for all sorts of reasons. Money, emotional availability, physical availability (long distance or working), the list goes on forever. Some of them are great reasons to end a relationship, some less so. All are valid, and I see no reason we should not all be looking for our best partner(s). I'm a poly dude with a partner I date pretty regularly…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	12/04/20 06:37 PM
2	Hypergamy is the root cause of both the wage gap and the child care gap. It doesn't just harm men, but also harms women. God, I fucking love that jam. It's such a great joke, and a happy tune too.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	12/04/20 06:32 PM
2	A 15 year old boy was bullied and called in AITA for being over worked and denied food Yeah, me too. Timing just seemed too coincidental and the account is new. He has gone on to engage in TwoX and TrueOffMyChest and AITA saying inflammatory things and is stacking up the downvotes. Really just does not come off as genuine to me, but I can't honestly say.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	09/04/20 11:05 PM
1	A 15 year old boy was bullied and called in AITA for being over worked and denied food I mean, yeah I totally get what you're saying. But effective outreach is unrelated to this post. This reeks of a troll responding an AITA post. He's deleted his post, so I don't even know what it said. My biggest point is the slant of the OPs post here had nothing to do with outreach or actually contacting him or sharing resources on how to help this person in need. There are ways you can talk about this topic without it being a ragebait.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	09/04/20 10:51 PM
5	The Existence of this Sub to some Extent Supports the Assertions in this Essay- Namely that the Left is Heavily Fractured. I mean... There is a difference between someone conservative with ethics (Mark Cuban is a capitalist who I disag with, but he's fundamentally ethical and wants what is best for society) and someone who is just a cynical cash grab and sees a political party as method for a tax break and shirking responsibility (almost anyone elected as a republican and plenty of centrist capitalist Dems too for that matter). I can absolutely call out one while engaging with the other in reasonable discourse and c…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	09/04/20 10:48 AM
5	A 15 year old boy was bullied and called in AITA for being over worked and denied food Could this sub not be rage baity? How is this male advocacy in any way?	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	09/04/20 10:42 AM
2	Why women hate sex-workers and women who sleep on the first date. There is a huge difference in the study of how populations act vs generalizations. If you can't tell the difference, it's that population general studies in no way imply that they can give a definitive answer on why the person acts in a certain way. It can give context and help you frame an individuals actions, but generalizations make a categorical claim about everyone in a population and inherently take away identifying the individual.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	09/04/20 08:25 AM
3	Why women hate sex-workers and women who sleep on the first date. Yeah, that isn't how any woman I know thinks. I'd encourage you to make more friends and get to know people rather than generalizing whole groups. Maybe I'm isolated and in an echo chamber. Where did you learn this? Is there a chance you learned something that isn't true, and have you ever experienced needing to unlearn something you thought was true before? I know it is hard to do, and even harder to recognize that you do need to unlearn something.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	08/04/20 06:56 PM
7	Why women hate sex-workers and women who sleep on the first date. I mean, one of the things that sold me on this sub was the mods wouldn't remove posts unlike the MensLib space (mods there are overzealous for a reason, but it is a maddening place to have a serious discussion where you disagree with their interpretation of Feminism). I think calling him out like we have and the downvote button is a better way to engage than to make an echo chamber.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	08/04/20 06:53 PM
1	Aren't women ever tired of being portrayed as "poor victims" by intersectional feminism? I dunno, I feel like you need to recognize you were a victim of society before you can set out to make a change in society. Although there is a difference between recognizing you were a victim, and having a victimhood complex where refuse to take responsibility of your life. I can see how you'd see more of the second when interacting with most Feminists online, but I'd say most of them fall into the former when I've engaged with them in person. I'd say it's mostly a signaling problem because we …	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	08/04/20 06:34 PM
8	What can we do to convince feminists to be allies to the movement? My God. It's just too dumb. It's even worse when I've run into RE racism vs racially motivated violence. An example I gave a friend who bought into was about an older friend of mine. She had been a victim of violence in kindergarten. She was white. She was the only white student. Her peers took her jacket and burned it. Even if "power" is required for racism, she was the minority. This classroom had it's own community outside the community that is the united states. Just because white people had…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	06/04/20 06:32 AM
3	What can we do to convince feminists to be allies to the movement? I categorically disagree with you. That's it. That's okay. Have a good day!	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	06/04/20 06:26 AM
3	What can we do to convince feminists to be allies to the movement? Absolutely this. I'm not a supporter of Feminism some monolith. I'm a supporter of specific Feminists like this. There are a LOT of people who espouse the name feminist and I can't say they aren't. But I can say I do not support them or what they think Feminism is.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	06/04/20 06:10 AM
2	What can we do to convince feminists to be allies to the movement? Anti patriarchy doesn't mean that at all. Anti patriarchy is more about learning traits that are valuable to the 1% for all men to have (male disposability and men as providers are a couple good examples does a lot to get men to behave in ways are harmful for men, but great for the men who actually hold power and capital). This doesn't mean that men should not be able to be providers in a healthy way, or that in any way implies men should not be this. It is just reframing why we have this trait,…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	06/04/20 06:08 AM
5	What can we do to convince feminists to be allies to the movement? Really don't see any of this as lying and I think it's a stretch. He's just using vocabulary the audience understands. I definitely believe it is an autonomy issue. The fact that there is also a large harm done doesn't mean there is some bigger problem than lack of consent.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	06/04/20 06:01 AM
7	What can we do to convince feminists to be allies to the movement? This matches up pretty much perfectly with my real life experience talking to friends and family members. As long as I don't get caught up in definition wars we are all pretty much on the same page of there are bad things, we would to do things that make it so less bad things happen. (sexism vs sexually motivated discrimination/violence is a conversation I would love to never stumble into again)	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	06/04/20 05:59 AM
7	You think he can't touch you. Fights aren't done until the agressor stops, and she was coming back in for more. They just were restraining the wrong person.	/r/PussyPassDenied	01/04/20 12:20 AM
2	"Toxic masculinity" is a female supremacist dog whistle You're deliberately misunderstanding and using extendo absurdim logical fallacy. The rules are not arbitrary. He's unaware of what the toxic parts of black culture could be or are. He spoke from his own perspective recognizing toxicity in his own culture and how there are toxic elements. If you are speaking from a place of knowledge and experience, pointing out cultural elements that were harmful to you then it is something that we should listen to. If you're just trying to show how "toxic X" is…	/r/MensRights	28/03/20 07:31 PM
-4	"Toxic masculinity" is a female supremacist dog whistle Eh, I can see why you'd say that. It's language that's really easy make it interpret that way. But any real life Feminists I've met haven't had problems with the term toxic femaninity and were not doing it to come off as slandering the gender. Most people I have talked to about it won't even parse that as the intent because they learned it in a vaguely academic setting where the terms were clearly defined, then used them less and less correctly over the years. Then when you point out that the fr…	/r/MensRights	28/03/20 06:25 PM
3	"Toxic masculinity" is a female supremacist dog whistle It amazes me how often I find this conversation on this sub. Toxic Masculinity isn't letting women define being masculine. It's just collective social pressures (based on being a man) that are harmful (everyone is a victim). I think if we just called it gendered social pressure it'd be much more accessible. Feminists will take those same social pressures and how they apply to women to and give them plenty of names (internalized misogyny for when you are holding other women down based on those st…	/r/MensRights	28/03/20 06:15 PM
2	Incels, Feminists, and the Mentality of Abusers Definitely started as ethics in journalism, but very quickly changed to trolls distorting conversation it to be a gendered issue and inflaming a minor issue. I'm more familiar with the women in video games video series than the Quinn issue. I was pretty stoked for the examination of gender in games, but what we got was some really outdated and really not very well researched ideas that were more like a semi woke Feminist who doesn't know the material well reacting to video games and giving strea…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	27/03/20 03:50 PM
3	Someone commented that men have the most powerful voices on issues because most politicians are men. I asked them to show any examples of politicians speaking up for men. I was downvoted til hidden, but nobody provided a single example. Wait, when/where/what as Yang advocating for re men's issues that he reneged on? I totally missed that.	/r/MensRights	24/03/20 06:24 PM
6	Someone commented that men have the most powerful voices on issues because most politicians are men. I asked them to show any examples of politicians speaking up for men. I was downvoted til hidden, but nobody provided a single example. Here's the fucking kicker to me, the lawmakers being men and not acting to help most men is textbook how patriarchy few men in power act and the majority of men (and women) are victims of these people with concentrated power (stupid word, but I am trying to use the Feminist vernacular). I have to wonder what it would have looked like instead of calling out men with "patriarchy" we called out concentrated power and how people abuse it. Instead of making it a horrible nightmare from /r/pointlessly…	/r/MensRights	24/03/20 05:59 PM
2	Information for men that’s suffered emotional abuse? Take a look at a book called "Too bad to stay, too good to leave" by Mira Kirshenbaum. It specifically geared towards people trying decide if they want to stay in a relationship or leave it, but it puts a frame on certain behavior that seemed absolutely insane to me at the time. The chapter that really stood out to me and made me understand I was really in an abusive relationship was the one that pushed me to examine the origin of why we would fight about which grocery store to shop at (after a …	/r/MensRights	23/03/20 03:30 PM
7	Tell me some reasons why a woman would hate being a man? xPost from r/AskMen - lot of very interesting MRA view points. Depression, social expectations of men causing them to work more (notably in a positive direction re: work and achievement), lack emotional support or support for men in general outside of a few specific social situations (significant other, mother, family), assumptions about men and DV. That's just from a casual skim of the 2-3 top level threads.	/r/MensRights	23/03/20 03:22 PM
0	How Men Get Penalized for Straying from Masculine Norms Maybe just let the conversation be for someone else? Just because you've had it and have an informed opinion doesn't mean that others have. You've been really rude and dismissive of people just trying to have a conversation. I'm tapping out of this one.	/r/MensRights	22/03/20 02:14 AM
0	How Men Get Penalized for Straying from Masculine Norms The fact that you're ignoring that the piece also openly supports traditional masculine traits is really hurting your approach. I feel like we should definitely be able to talk about the social pressures we feel here, and sometimes those pressures are gendered. If there are social pressures stopping me from expressing myself, would you acknowledge that those can be damaging (to me)? If that's true, what is the point of shutting down a conversation trying to explore what pressure is, and help all…	/r/MensRights	21/03/20 11:45 PM
12	A Crazed Academic Weaponized Title IX Against a Rival Professor Whose Job He Wanted - Note victims are lesbian couple It's a great way to highlight how abuse of systems is really not as gendered as people tend to make it. I think it really helps the dialogue go further when you open by recognizing that all genders can be victims. I saw a piece recently on MensLib that said MRAs take the stance that they are the "real victims". No, we just say that men can be victims too, and for some reason that means we are misogynistic and a hate group.	/r/MensRights	21/03/20 11:37 PM
3	Example of the ways which feminists and men's libbers misrepresent the men's rights movement and men as a whole I think you're missing the value in looking at how this discourse causes a negative impact and drives a divide between two groups who are ostensibly on the same side by refusing to engage in the dialogue in good faith. If we take the milquetoast more palatable view, we are really not holding this article to any semblance of academic rigor. I can see why it is better to make the positive assumption in general, but I don't think that follows here.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	20/03/20 11:00 PM
3	Example of the ways which feminists and men's libbers misrepresent the men's rights movement and men as a whole There are plenty of sources for the feminist articles he references, but another commenter did a deep dive on how many of those quotes are even partial and the full context shows that the original authors intent doesn't match the paraphrase. I tried 3-4 of the sources and none of them supported the sweeping generalizations made by the author here. Some of the more generous readers here pointed out that with some emphasis on caveats about where these claims were taken from can lead to an almost p…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	20/03/20 10:27 PM
3	Example of the ways which feminists and men's libbers misrepresent the men's rights movement and men as a whole It seems very dishonest even if it isn't an outright lie. It's definitely trying to give those points an air of authority with not a single source for their claims. I fail to see how this is anything but a strawman at best.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	20/03/20 09:43 PM
3	Example of the ways which feminists and men's libbers misrepresent the men's rights movement and men as a whole The whole point is that the citations they make are either responses to made up talking points that don't exist, or just something that most MRAs already agree with. Most MRAs I've engaged with are much more likely to agree with what the articles proposed solutions than not. It's really dismissive of how much gender equality advocacy is incredibly intersectional regardless of what side brought you to the table.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	20/03/20 09:39 PM
2	People of this subreddit- why do you think or feel that feminism is misandrist? Yeah, a great response here on this sub was anarcho communist which I'm pretty in line with. Humanist works too, and I feel like you'll get less push back with that than what I said. It just feels less descriptive than I want to be	/r/MensRights	19/03/20 11:36 PM
2	People of this subreddit- why do you think or feel that feminism is misandrist? Yeah, I hear ya. MRA is definitely not a label that is going to get you away from a bad social wrap. I've take to gender equality activist. It helps you not come off a gender essentialism pro women advocate when talking to people here, and if you're talking to feminists, you can couch it as feminism the name dismisses non-binary and other genders (many languages have references to one more, and that doesn't even begin to include all of the words for intersex) people who and you want to be inclus…	/r/MensRights	19/03/20 09:00 PM
2	People of this subreddit- why do you think or feel that feminism is misandrist? Not at all. I do feel like there are misandrists who espouse the feminists label, and the differences between academic Feminist papers and the dialogue happening on social media are important to highlight. I can have an intelligent conversation with someone who understands the Patriarchy is social norms that advance the benefits of a few men with power (e.g. men working more than is healthy for themselves and their personal life). I can't have a conversation with a person online who has taken th…	/r/MensRights	19/03/20 08:34 PM
0	I read an article titled "Toxic Masculinity" on Wikipedia. I then used their search engine to find an equivalent article titled, per my search, "Toxic Femininity." It took me to an article called "Internalized Sexism," and said it was "redirected from Toxic Femininity." Yeah. Exactly. I see this disconnect a lot in this sub. Toxic Masculinity is a real thing. I really really think that using that term has caused a lot of bad PR because of the colloquial definitions makes it really easy to misunderstand as "men are bad". If they'd used internalized sexism, then I think it'd be easier for people to grasp.	/r/MensRights	19/03/20 08:14 PM
1	What are your takes on r/menslib ? The conversations and topics are a mirror of this one. The biggest differences: Over there, upvotes without a comment to lead to libfem ideas getting upvotes. Here, they tend to be memes that are only part understood (looking at you Berenstein Bears post from this past week). The moderation. There: anything as hominem gets all of the comments below it removed (recently a post about DV had a guy get really upset at someone from here pointing out that violence is often instigated by the woman). A …	/r/MensRights	14/03/20 07:38 PM
2	A male Disney star just came out and said he was raped at 12 by his manager. He's been getting almost no media attention. Imagine the outrage if it was a female Disney star. That's fair, I totally can relate to that.	/r/MensRights	14/03/20 08:07 AM
2	A male Disney star just came out and said he was raped at 12 by his manager. He's been getting almost no media attention. Imagine the outrage if it was a female Disney star. I'm totally with you on calling them out on their beliefs and trying to educate them. But the tone you use and the way you bundle someone who disagrees with you on the voracity of a claim in with incels and use it as a collective slur isn't going to de-radicalize anyone. In fact, it's gonna put more walls up and make them defensive of their own position instead of allowing room for criticism. It's really really not helpful. If you're curious about how to help at risk or already indoctrinated peo…	/r/MensRights	13/03/20 10:34 PM
4	Malcolm Roberts criticised after claiming 'many' domestic violence allegations made up \| Feminists desperately defending female privilege in child custody cases to public inquiry. My brain just about broke reading that. I never thought it'd be a bad thing to be in favor of due process and innocent until proven guilty.	/r/MensRights	12/03/20 08:34 AM
15	MensLib goes full misandrist (once again), ignores that the majority of domestic abuse is perpetrated by women. Ya know, I didn't realize you were the downvoted guy. I'm just gonna tap out since you are more interested in attacks than trying to understand where the disconnect is between our understanding of DV.	/r/MensRights	11/03/20 05:47 PM
12	MensLib goes full misandrist (once again), ignores that the majority of domestic abuse is perpetrated by women. It should be noted, that the title isn't about men being victims more often. Lesbian relationships have a very high level of DV or IPV. It should also be noted, that domestic violence instigation by a woman where the man responds in at the same level, the woman is much more likely to be severely injured. Because of things like the Duluth Model, it's not a very well researched area. It's very easy to believe that when men are consistently victims of DV (or coercive control even without physical v…	/r/MensRights	11/03/20 05:36 PM
10	MensLib goes full misandrist (once again), ignores that the majority of domestic abuse is perpetrated by women. The two things aren't mutually exclusive. Wanting to please an authority figure you respect doesn't make it bad motivation either. I do see plenty of people on MensLib in that thread calling out the tones of the article and noting that it does erase DV where women are the instigator. Honestly, the biggest problem I have with how it's been censored. There was a really good discussion going that had users calling out either op, or one of the other people in favor of the article. The person defendi…	/r/MensRights	11/03/20 05:27 PM
5	This would probably qualify as hate speech in 2020🙊 Yeah, the person who posted this has no idea what gender identity is. These people are positively identifying as what gender they identify as, communicating to someone that they could do that. They don't even tell their kids that they can't transition.	/r/MensRights	11/03/20 04:58 PM
0	Huh.. aparently, Tumblr says Mens Rights! I post one comment engaging, then of they respond in bad faith I ignore them and move on. I really want this to be a respectable forum and so I don't want to let shit like that slide. I've had a couple people engage a bit, but not much.	/r/MensRights	10/03/20 09:48 PM
4	Huh.. aparently, Tumblr says Mens Rights! I swear to God, people on this sub do their best to conflate gender and sex. It seems like they do it on purpose and are proud of being ignorant. Thanks for trying to engage with these people. It gives me hope for this sub that we can have a solid dialogue at least.	/r/MensRights	10/03/20 09:08 PM
0	Huh.. aparently, Tumblr says Mens Rights! Pretty sure you missed the point. Besides, gender is pretty clearly a spectrum. Gender identity is also pretty clearly associated with how the brains nueral network connection between various parts of the brain. It has held up in relatively small sample sizes, and seems to indicate that there some underlying structure of trans people having more of the brain structure that corresponds to the gender they have transitioned to. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17352-8 I am not an expert, …	/r/MensRights	10/03/20 09:06 PM
2	Is my school right? Nah dude. They both have serious problems. But you're clearly not interested in a conversation about the shortcomings. Imma tap out. Cheers!	/r/MensRights	08/03/20 07:25 AM
2	Is my school right? Hard agree. Anytime someone brings up the death toll, it is such a dishonest argument. Capitalism has killed just as many people pretty easily	/r/MensRights	08/03/20 07:17 AM
1	Is my school right? And capitalism is responsible for way more than that. Especially if you include deaths from colonialism. Try looking at Bhopal (American Corp makes Chernobyl looks like a mild fuckup) and try looking at the famines caused in India by Churchill. The death toll of both is uncountable. The problem is a small people who end up with power in any of those systems, and then abuse the power. Let's not pretend that it really matters where the power came from.	/r/MensRights	08/03/20 07:15 AM
2	The Guardian is forced to retract false claim that "61% of male victims of domestic violence were victims of men" and acknowledge that "a significant number of perpetrators are female" Jesus fucking Christ, this 1000 times. My ex would throw shit at me. Yell all the time. She even got angry enough to shove me a few times. There would be times in arguments I'd say "I want to hit you" and so I'd remove myself from the situation for a while to calm down. When I would say that, I'd immediately be treated as a crazy abusive person. After therapy, I've had a lot of my thoughts about how I was being abused validated (both by the couple's therapist, and a personal therapist) and that …	/r/MensRights	08/03/20 05:29 AM
8	You‘re a misogynist if you tell a woman she‘s a bad programmer. Dude, you're kind of a dick about them thinking this shit. Ridicule and belittling people who are hurt, and sweeping them into automatically into a mental health box really oversimplifies and isolates them further. It definitely won't de-radicalize anyone.	/r/PussyPassDenied	06/03/20 04:33 PM
1	What does the concept of “toxic masculinity” mean to you, and how would it hurt men? In what ways is it manifested? I see you trying to show people here what toxic masculinity is. It's a good effort. You're a bit condescending though. My general tack has been to highlight stereotypical masculine things and highlight specifically how "real men don't cry" or "real men enjoy beer" or other small pieces can damage an individual in some contexts and to show that there are plenty of positive masculine things. I'm reasonably certain most people would agree that toxic femaninity is a thing too. Social pressures that …	/r/MensRights	05/03/20 11:35 PM
3	Jordan Peterson absolutely obliterates radical feminist arguments in stupendous fashion I'm reasonably certain that was supposed to be taken into account with the "textbook" definition of patriarchy. That some small number of men have a very disproportionate amount of power in society. These men do things that harm both genders, and should really be an intersectional place for anyone who wants more egalitarianism for both genders. Somehow this has been distorted on social media to be all men are part of the patriarchy.	/r/MensRights	05/03/20 10:24 PM
0	Probably because rape isn’t the hottest bragging topic, idk? So, I must have missed some news. Who was the revenge porn/statutory rape politician?	/r/MensRights	02/03/20 08:11 PM
1	I was called an asshole for being a considerate man. It just means that they were brewed with bacteria from the lactose to start the fermentation process. It gives them a bit of a smoother texture, but it's still beer.	/r/MensRights	01/03/20 09:05 PM
1	I was called an asshole for being a considerate man. I dunno man, I've had some pretty sweet beers. Guava Whitbeer and some Milkshake IPAs can get very sweet and fruity and still be beer. There's a very good chance it could be a cider though.	/r/MensRights	01/03/20 06:48 PM
1	I was called an asshole for being a considerate man. Most trans people I know are very accepting of pronoun mismatches. Especially if they knew you for a long before they transitioned as it is really muscle memory that takes some time to replace. As long as it isn't an effort to dismiss them and their transition, most people are understanding if you just have a dialogue.	/r/MensRights	01/03/20 06:47 PM
2	I was called an asshole for being a considerate man. Sounds like you had a decent chance to talk to him about some different types of beers and let him know he's probably drinking a cider. Saying it is for the young girls who are new to drinking is a bit sexist. I know I liked the sweet shit when I first started too. Asking for a chance to learn from a community when you are afraid you did something wrong should definitely not be met with insults. It's okay you said it, you were ignorant. It's okay to feel bad for it, means your more likely to rem…	/r/MensRights	01/03/20 06:45 PM
1	Something I've noticed I really really appreciate the mods here. I think one of the most ironic things to me is how much people say menslib is anyway different than here. Almost all the same topics come up (some of theirs have left leaning things and occasionally touch on feminism, but the conversation about it is mostly the same). The only difference is people who disagree or who are rude about disagreeing get removed and silenced. It isn't so much a forum for ideas as an echo chamber.	/r/MensRights	01/03/20 06:25 PM
3	A mother whose son was just murdered by his female partner bemoans the gender double standard in responding to domestic violence I love and hate that these posts never get a real answer from the 'feminists' we get in here. Thanks for the hard work.	/r/MensRights	01/03/20 06:21 PM
1	A mother whose son was just murdered by his female partner bemoans the gender double standard in responding to domestic violence I totally agree with you that there areas of intersectionality with MRA and Feminism. I think the biggest difference between them is the willingness of MRA members call out our bad actors and distance ourselves from them. Feminism does do this sometimes, but it doesn't seem to be as widespread. I have definitely seen some hateful misogynistic shit on this sub. I'd say 3/5 times or so, it's downvoted and has a few people calling out/educating the person. The most poignant recent example is Amber …	/r/MensRights	01/03/20 06:14 PM
1	The amount of hate is shocking and disturbing to me Still not okay to use as an insult. That'd be like slurring someone for being in a relationship.	/r/MensRights	01/03/20 06:08 PM
3	A mother whose son was just murdered by his female partner bemoans the gender double standard in responding to domestic violence Don't forget incel. I see that come out on Reddit anytime MRA or a MGTOW(2) come up. Somehow talking about issues gets you lumped in with a group they use a shorthand for terrorist. It's pretty wild.	/r/MensRights	01/03/20 06:07 PM
3	The amount of hate is shocking and disturbing to me If nothing else, you're definitely willfully conflating people who are incels and people who are voluntarily celibate and people who are part of a hate group. I think you might be trying to allow room for mgtow2 and voluntarily celibate, but I'm pretty unclear on that.	/r/MensRights	28/02/20 05:39 PM
8	The amount of hate is shocking and disturbing to me Why do people think it's okay to use incel as an insult like this? It's really not okay to place so much value on whether or not someone is sexually active.	/r/MensRights	28/02/20 05:37 PM
5	If the pay gap is largely accounted for by women's tendency to choose careers that pay less and take time off work due to pregnancy, and women are the only member in a heterosexual couple that is allowed to determine if a pregnancy goes to term...then why is the pay gap considered the doing of men? Yeah, I'm with you. Everyone deserves at least a couple months of paid parental leave. We should give it to people regardless of gender.	/r/MensRights	26/02/20 05:14 PM
4	If the pay gap is largely accounted for by women's tendency to choose careers that pay less and take time off work due to pregnancy, and women are the only member in a heterosexual couple that is allowed to determine if a pregnancy goes to term...then why is the pay gap considered the doing of men? Because that employee has made the company plenty of money and they can afford it. There is a reason this doesn't apply to small companies that wouldn't be able to afford it. If you want to argue what the threshold is, I can see that. But parental leave is pretty common sense to most people I know. Other than greed and selfishness, I don't understand what arguments you could have against it. Time off to raise a child should be something we offer to anyone who has a kid.	/r/MensRights	26/02/20 05:12 PM
1	Thank you, men are talking. How do you not understand you're being demeaning? That boys shit is straight toxic masculinity. like... Don't think text books could have a clearer example. Yeah, there are more genders and it's a spectrum. The only people who I know that'd be upset at me saying that are people more interested in arguing than in having a conversation. Good luck with life, maybe try being less rude online.	/r/MensRights	26/02/20 04:04 PM
3	Record every sexual encounter, sign documents, or be abstinent You're just wrong. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-consensual_condom_removal	/r/MensRights	25/02/20 12:40 AM
1	Record every sexual encounter, sign documents, or be abstinent I mean... You kinda made a straw man and your assumptions generally involve someone who is a total stranger. In situations where it was unwanted sex or more intense than they would like with a partner or even casual hookup, it is very possible that people stay in touch with the person who assaulted them for an extended period while processing the magnitude of the interactions. It seems like you're not speaking from experience with it directly, nor from experience with people who have been throug…	/r/MensRights	25/02/20 12:38 AM
8	Record every sexual encounter, sign documents, or be abstinent Thanks for sharing your experience. That is definitely sexual assault, and I'm sorry you had to go through that. At least it didn't take. Relationships with abusers are always so complex, and I think that being able to acknowledge this shit is a step in the right direction.	/r/MensRights	24/02/20 07:18 PM
2	Record every sexual encounter, sign documents, or be abstinent I mean... They aren't wrong about it being a gradient where there can be consenting sex surrounding non consenting sex. This seems like a positive thing to me, so long as it is used in appropriate circumstances (hard for me say that this bad if it was helpful in stopping Weinstein).	/r/MensRights	24/02/20 06:38 PM
1	BBC Article states women are more likely to be killed by a partner or an ex - Completely glosses over their own statistic showing that there were twice as many male victims over all (208 female - 395 male) I really appreciate the mods on this sub	/r/MensRights	24/02/20 04:14 AM
4	Petition to the mods to delete/ban comments and posts that use incel terminology and appeal to incel subcultures. I really think it's important that this be a safe space and I really value that the mods allow for discussion without silencing marginalized populations. I do agree some of their language is harmful, and it should be explained to them in an open and understanding way. On this sub people who don't understand what toxic masculinity is need to have it explained pretty regularly. I think we do a pretty good job of allowing them a space to enter the dialogue and learn. I don't think banning or censor…	/r/MensRights	24/02/20 02:02 AM
1	Thank you, men are talking. Dude, you have some seriously internalized damage if you think that the language you are using isn't a harm to the discourse about men. You've made sweeping statements, backed it up with anecdotes, and keep framing people who speak out about "perceived slights" as toxic. You've basically affirmed that you find the deluth model a viable approach because most men are violent. You then backpedal and ask for us to find intersectional spaces with feminists, I totally agree that's a good idea. I think…	/r/MensRights	18/02/20 05:33 PM
1	Toxic masculinity: Noah Woods pulled his sister out a window in a house fire and went back in to save the family dog. He's 5 years old Yeah... I get what you think is happening, but that's not what toxic masculinity means. It does not mean men are toxic. It means that society exerts pressures that harm men. If anything, that's one issue MRAs and feminists should find some intersectionality. I can see arguing the finer points of what that social pressure looks like, and I can see not agreeing about what constitutes toxic masculinity. But this misrepresentation of the idea just comes across as petulant and ignorant.	/r/MensRights	18/02/20 07:35 AM
0	Toxic masculinity: Noah Woods pulled his sister out a window in a house fire and went back in to save the family dog. He's 5 years old The weirdest shit gets upvoted here.	/r/MensRights	18/02/20 07:25 AM
1	Mainstream media all but ignored the recent evidence, no sponsor has dropped her, and now the Metoo movement doubled down in support of Amber Heard. Real women like the color pink. Real women like to do make up. Basically the same idea- any gender stereotype and social pressures that damage women. Does that make sense?	/r/MensRights	17/02/20 11:33 PM
1	Mainstream media all but ignored the recent evidence, no sponsor has dropped her, and now the Metoo movement doubled down in support of Amber Heard. I think you misunderstand almost of all of the toxic masculinity. It's about social pressures that harm men (stoicism in all circumstances (appropriate in many places, but with friends or a partner emotional displays should feel safe and encouraged) and shaming boys into stereotypical feminine interests). That's toxic masculinity. Wanting to have some beer and watch the game with only guy friends, not toxic masculinity.	/r/MensRights	17/02/20 05:43 PM
1	Blame the individual, not the whole gender for ffs. Yeah, I have no idea what you mean. I'm here often to recognize words you used, but it didn't make a whole thought.	/r/MensRights	17/02/20 05:33 PM

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