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Are you sure about that comparison? The feminist movement is pretty peaceful... I can't think of any violent feminist incidents. I guess maybe you could cite some fringe crazies, but that's true of any group, including the MRM. Mostly feminism is just people getting angry on the internet. I'm pretty sure that people were at least that angry during the civil rights movement. They just didn't have the internet and easy access to mass-media.
/r/MensRights29/10/14 04:27 PM
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I'm not saying it's exactly the same situation. But for them, it is. They view this as a civil rights movement, attempting to correct an imbalance in American society. Throughout history, every time this type of movement has happened, there has also been that kind of opposition. People in the perceived dominant class say "I might listen if only you were more polite." The problem is that they've tried being polite, and it didn't work. Nobody listened or cared when they were polite. I cannot think…
/r/MensRights29/10/14 04:15 PM
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Your last sentence is a weak argument. The civil rights movement advocated for tolerance and equal rights. That doesn't mean they had to be tolerant of people who disagreed with the civil rights movement.
/r/MensRights29/10/14 03:53 PM
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Yes, that would be totally unacceptable behavior and people wouldn't tolerate it.
/r/MensRights02/08/14 08:37 AM
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I'm going to arbitrarily use male rape as my example. TV Tropes has a really good collection of examples here. There are lots of people who treat male rape as a joke, or they say "he's so lucky." That has very real consequences for victims. It makes it more difficult for them to get taken seriously.
/r/MensRights02/08/14 08:33 AM
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Okay yes but luckily I am able to make mild judgment calls! I don't live in a world where everything is black-and-white, so I can evaluate the difference between somebody with real concerns and somebody with fake concerns! It's like being a superhero.
/r/MensRights02/08/14 08:24 AM
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Wait are we disagreeing about something? I feel like we are, but I can't identify it. It seems like we agree on most things. I think it depends on your social circle. That speaks well of the people you spend time with. I personally went to college in a liberal bubble, so it wasn't that common there. I have many times been trapped in social situations though with people who think saying "I'm gonna rape that chick" is a funny joke.
/r/MensRights02/08/14 01:10 AM
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Yeah man, that's exactly the same thing as trying not to talk about rape in front of people who might have been affected by it. How am I supposed to just not talk about rape? It's on my mind constantly!
/r/MensRights02/08/14 01:03 AM
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Ugh yeah I hate when I have to adjust my behavior even slightly to accommodate somebody else's feelings. Right on, dude!
/r/MensRights02/08/14 12:57 AM
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What? What are you talking about? I literally just said that jokes about male rape are a serious problem. Did you read my comment? If you look through my recent post history, you will see me absolutely talking about men. It's really sad to me that so many people find "male rape" to be funny. My friends who are feminists don't find male rape funny, and if they did, I wouldn't talk to them.
/r/MensRights02/08/14 12:56 AM
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Whatever. I disagree, but that's besides the point. You agree that that guy is a douche though, right? That's what I'm saying. That guy is a douche. Even if I think somebody else is overreacting, I would still tell that guy to stop being a douche.
/r/MensRights02/08/14 12:54 AM
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Wooooooooo we found mutual agreement! Go team! This was a good talk.
/r/MensRights02/08/14 12:48 AM
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Ugh, victims of emotional trauma are so selfish. Just because THEY are struggling with an extremely painful emotional disorder, all of a sudden I'm supposed to be slightly more careful when talking about one particular topic? They are so selfish. I hate how they're constantly intruding on my life in a way that I don't enjoy. Just because it avoids triggering their painful emotional disorder is no reason why I should be slightly inconvenienced. I have important hypothetical rapes to talk about!
/r/MensRights02/08/14 12:47 AM
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Oh, yeah, absolutely. I didn't mean to gender this discussion. I've been very careful about using neutral pronouns in most of this thread. I guess what I really meant was, "most feminists I know love that joke." I just try to avoid the word feminism around these parts, because it makes people dismiss me really quickly. I think the subtext of this post is that feminists are trying to destroy jokes. That's what I meant to be highlighting. There are good jokes like this that appeal to both sides of…
/r/MensRights02/08/14 12:29 AM
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Sexual assault is a widespread problem that affects a lot of people. I think it's generally in good taste to avoid it, unless you have something very poignant or very well-constructed to say. I've seen plenty of comedians make excellent rape jokes that are not targeting victims as their punchline. If you have to joke about rape victims to be funny, you are probably not a very funny person.
/r/MensRights02/08/14 12:21 AM
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I love that joke! I almost used that joke as an example, but I figured my paragraphs were getting too long. That joke is well-constructed, and most girls I know love that joke. I saw Sarah Silverman do this joke live in a very intimate theater. It got a great reaction, and nobody looked upset about it.
/r/MensRights02/08/14 12:19 AM
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I rarely hear comedians make them. That's because I mostly pay attention to successful comedians, and most successful comedians don't make a lot of rape jokes. That's because rape isn't very funny. I see these jokes A LOT from people who think they're hilarious and "so edgy." I agree with you that jokes about male rape are a serious problem! That's part of what I'm saying here. Those jokes make it very difficult for real victims to be taken seriously and find help.
/r/MensRights02/08/14 12:11 AM
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I get what you're saying, but I don't think that applies here. There are very few people saying you shouldn't be allowed to joke about rape. They're just saying that if you turn rape victims into a punchline, you're a douchebag. It is absolutely okay to joke about rape, by which I mean it is legal in our society. However, people frown on it for very obvious reasons. If I went to a show where all the jokes were about black people being subhuman, I would have a problem with that also. I would say …
/r/MensRights02/08/14 12:08 AM
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Have you ever performed comedy for a large crowd? I have. I live in New York, and I go to stand-up comedy shows almost every week. I see very few comedians talk about rape. That's because violent traumatic sexual assault isn't really that funny. When I do see it happen, people get rightfully upset if the punchline is victim-blaming. That's not funny to a lot of people. I've also seen rape jokes that killed, and nobody got mad about, because they were well-constructed. I'm not saying you can't jo…
/r/MensRights01/08/14 11:59 PM
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I think you are cherry-picking examples. That definitely happens, but I would say it's a much less significant trend.
/r/MensRights01/08/14 11:55 PM
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The problem is that this isn't just limited to comedy shows... it's everywhere. It's totally pervasive in our society. I hear so many people make rape jokes, and most of them are not delivered with the polish or care of a stand-up comedian. It's not like somebody with PTSD going to a fireworks show. It's like if everybody just thought it was hilarious to light off firecrackers all the time, no matter where they were. You're in the library? Firecrackers. You're in the video game store? Firecracke…
/r/MensRights01/08/14 11:38 PM
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I have a problem with that. I see this attitude a lot. "You can't please everybody, so it's not worth trying to please anybody." I think it's worth at least trying. In this case, you barely have to adjust your behavior, and you can spare other people a lot of pain. I don't make jokes about 9/11 in New York City. I wouldn't make jokes about the IRA in Ireland. Sexual assault affects so many people, it's generally in good taste to avoid it unless you have something poignant (or really well-constru…
/r/MensRights01/08/14 11:24 PM
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My problem is that a lot of random rape jokes pretty much just amount to ridiculing a victim. I would say more than 90% of rape jokes I hear, the punchline is "this person deserved to get raped" or just "rape" like it's someone's idea of slapstick.
/r/MensRights01/08/14 11:18 PM
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I'm not saying anything is off-limits. I love fucked-up jokes more than most people I know. I just think it's maybe better to not joke about a serious tragedy in front of people who were affected by it.
/r/MensRights01/08/14 11:16 PM
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I used to feel that way too, but they're very different societal problems. Rape is just much more complicated. Have you ever heard a rapist try to justify their behavior? It sounds way different than the way people treat murder. Nobody ever tells victims to "suck it up" when they've been murdered. Nobody says "you weren't really murdered, you liked it." Nobody says "of course you got murdered, going to a party dressed like that." We have way less of a problem with distinguishing what is and isn'…
/r/MensRights01/08/14 11:12 PM
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I'm sorry you experienced that. However, I don't think that gives you the right to tell other people their feelings are invalid. I think it also depends on the joke. I haven't heard too many child abuse jokes, so I don't know exactly what you're talking about. If a joke's punchline is "some children deserve violent traumatic treatment" or "look at how funny this violent traumatic treatment is" then I think it's reasonable for people to get upset.
/r/MensRights01/08/14 09:35 PM
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I know victims of assault who have been traumatized by their experiences. There are lots of people who struggle with post-traumatic stress disorder, and panic attacks years after the actual trauma has occurred. What are these people supposed to reevaluate?
/r/MensRights01/08/14 09:21 PM
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I heavily disagree with this. I also don't think this is a gendered issue. There is a huge problem in our society with people not taking sexual assault seriously. This is true for women, and it's true for men. I see people spend a lot of time on this sub complaining that people treat male rape "like a joke" or "as a punchline." There ARE funny jokes about rape. I love those jokes. The problem is that most jokes about rape treat the victim as a punchline. This perpetuates an environment where we …
/r/MensRights01/08/14 09:10 PM
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I'm sorry, I understand that you're satirizing something, I just can't figure out what.
/r/MensRights24/06/13 09:48 PM
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You got downvoted, but I totally agree with you. It's like when someone says "butthurt" in a serious argument. I just can't take that person seriously anymore.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 07:01 AM
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The phrase "concern trolling" always... well, it concerns me. It usually seems to be a way of dismissing outside viewpoints. I love this sub, and it's helped me a lot personally... but I feel like we can always benefit from some open-minded debate. If your viewpoint is the strongest, you have nothing to fear from debate... blind ideology is what fears debate.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 09:43 PM
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I think it means that neither gender should dismiss or trivialize the other's struggles, because you can't possibly be an authority on something you haven't had to deal with.
/r/MensRights19/05/13 12:03 AM
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That's not what I'm talking about. That's what you're talking about. The thing you're talking about is a problem. The thing I'm talking about is also a problem. We're talking about two related but different problems that are not mutually exclusive.
/r/MensRights25/04/13 04:19 AM
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I don't disagree with any of the things you said. I recognize that some claims of sexual harassment are wrong, some people overreact, some people are just plain shitty. That's a problem. I'm just trying to keep the conversation balanced. It feels like everyone is forgetting that sexual harassment is also a problem. They are both a problem at the same time.
/r/MensRights25/04/13 04:18 AM
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Okay. I would argue that just because someone is dressed as Lara Croft is not an excuse to ask how big their boobs are. But that's neither here nor there. There's a common sense line. I think that line can be drawn at, "don't assume strangers want you personally to treat them in a sexual way." It's fine to try and talk to someone. If you show polite interest and they don't feel the same way, you're not doing anything wrong. If you show aggressive sexual interest to a complete stranger without ta…
/r/MensRights25/04/13 04:15 AM
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I'm not assuming everything is sexual harassment. I recognize that false interpretations of sexual harassment are a problem. However, sexual harassment is also a problem. They are both a problem. I'm just trying to keep the discussion balanced. We're talking about cosplayers in general. I go to a lot of comic cons. Yes, some people do wear overly sexualized costumes. I also have a lot of friends who wear functional costumes, and still get sexually harassed. Do some people over-react, and call th…
/r/MensRights25/04/13 03:52 AM
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There are two problems. Falsely interpreted sexual harassment is a problem. So is sexual harassment. They can both be a problem at the same time. I'm just saying let's not totally forget that sexual harassment is also a problem.
/r/MensRights25/04/13 03:47 AM
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Okay. How do you define dressing sexually? If you wear a swimsuit to the beach, is that rude and inviting harassment? I think sweaters are sexy. Does that mean I can sexually harass anyone with a sweater, because they're arousing me? Skirts are sexual. If a boss harasses an employee because of what they're wearing, is that okay? If a man walks around shirtless on a sweltering day, is he inviting people to sexually harass him? I'm not talking about someone wearing two strips of masking tape over …
/r/MensRights24/04/13 05:24 PM
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That makes sense. I acknowledge that some people do overreact to harmless behavior. I just wanted to highlight that they're not always overreacting.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 04:52 PM
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It's entirely possible. These things are always difficult to talk about. Sometimes the larger discussion is so polarized that it gets confusing for moderates. I know I have that problem a lot.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 06:17 AM
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We react to it, though. We acknowledge that theft is bad... and the problem isn't homeowners or shopkeeps. Nobody goes "we're having an epidemic of irresponsible homeowners and shopkeeps," they say we're having an outbreak of thefts. Then we challenge the people responsible, and take efforts to make them stop. In this thread, everybody is saying the problem isn't sexual harassment, it's people over-reacting to sexual harassment. Yes. Sometimes people do over-react to things that aren't sexual ha…
/r/MensRights24/04/13 04:06 AM
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I think they've just decided that they hate me. Thank you for your support, though.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 03:43 AM
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Where the hell did that come from? I'm not even talking about rape, let alone gender. People of either gender should respect each other's bodies. Can we not all agree on that?
/r/MensRights24/04/13 03:42 AM
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Thanks, I appreciate hearing that. I've just never understood all of this negativity. The whole point of being a fan of something is to enjoy it. I love comic books, so I want to share them with people. I don't want to horde them in some clubhouse with a "keep out" sign on it.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 03:36 AM
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Thank you, you made my day better.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 02:10 AM
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I'm sorry, I can't tell if you're being serious. You might've just been making a joke. Harassment is unwanted sexual interaction. Wanted sexual interaction is totally cool. I'm not saying "don't ever treat a woman sexually," just don't... you know... walk up to a stranger and ask how big their tits are.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 01:30 AM
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When I said "nobody's arguing that" I meant "nobody here is arguing that." I can see how that would be confusing, I should've been clearer. I guess my evidence is that I know a lot of cosplayers and all of them are reasonable human beings and not caricatures. But I understand that's anecdotal evidence. Either way... it's reasonable to be upset at groping, rude sexual questions, and legitimate sexual harassment. Those people's viewpoints should be respected, not lumped in with people who take it …
/r/MensRights24/04/13 01:27 AM
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You didn't respond to any of my points in that last comment. That is not my logic. That is a strawman of my logic. When somebody says "how big are your tits?" to a stranger, they are not a hugely popular rap group in a rap venue playing a song they are extremely famous for. They are a person making an inappropriate comment in a shared group space. I'm not talking about harmless looks. I'm talking about crude comments and inappropriate lewd behavior. Is your point that those things are sometimes …
/r/MensRights24/04/13 01:14 AM
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I honestly don't see what your point is. I'm talking about most people. Yeah, there are some people with silly opinions on the fringe of any issue. Every cosplayer I know has a reasonable attitude. Is their experience invalidated because somebody else got upset about something else?
/r/MensRights24/04/13 01:00 AM
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Yes. It is fine to go into a private space and expect that people will treat you with basic human courtesy. What is the problem here? You say "demanding" and "catering" like it's some big huge request to not sexually harass people. Is it difficult to not sexually harass someone? Do people lost the right to be offended at sexual harassment when they enter a private setting? "You can't be offended that I sexually harassed you, we're in my house, and I say sexual harassment is okay in here." The ra…
/r/MensRights24/04/13 12:49 AM
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No. No they are not. That is not what concrete means. I'm talking about the people who actually just walk up to a stranger for the express purpose of staring at their junk in public. That happens. It is not okay to behave that way.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 12:38 AM
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Okay. I grant you that there's a grey area. But we're not talking about the grey area. We're talking about the concrete examples where there's a problem. It's not all grey area.
/r/MensRights24/04/13 12:21 AM
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No. No, it doesn't. I'm awkward talking to beautiful women. I sometimes get quiet, or I say something that makes myself sound stupid, or I botch the punchline to a joke. That's awkwardness. We're not talking about awkwardness. We're talking about harassment. You can't grope somebody and be like "it's okay, I'm awkward." You can't say "nice tits, honey" and then get mad that she reacts negatively to your bad social skills. Awkwardness? Fine. Harassment? Not fine. The fact that some people are mor…
/r/MensRights24/04/13 12:09 AM
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I have a problem with the phrase "actual fan." I run the DC Comics Database, so I can school just about anybody. If it comes up in conversation, do I correct someone? Absolutely. I have knowledge and they don't. Do I go out of my way to accuse other people of being lesser fans? No. That would make me an asshole. I don't see someone wearing a Superman t-shirt and go "whatever, you probably can't even extensively talk about the differences between his four separate mainstream origin stories since …
/r/MensRights24/04/13 12:05 AM
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I think at a certain point, it's understandable to get upset by looking. Everybody does the "checking out" once-over, you can't help it. I've never heard someone have a problem with that. But if you're just standing there shamelessly staring at someone's bathing suit areas and not breaking your gaze... there's a point at which that stops being acceptable. It happens.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:48 PM
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The fact that it's expected doesn't make it okay. Awkwardness? Sure, fine. But we're not talking about that. We're talking about harassment. I might expect to get mugged if I walk down the street alone at night. That doesn't make it okay to mug me.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:36 PM
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It's disgusting to me that you're being downvoted. I think people are falsely reading this to mean, "any male attention to someone in a sexual costume is wrong." It's a non-gendered issue. Just don't sexually harass or inappropriately touch anybody, no matter what they're wearing. I don't see how someone can disagree with that.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 11:22 PM
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I call both when I see them. This conversation just happens to be about women. Relax.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 10:58 PM
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I don't think the criticism is that men find them sexy. You're allowed to think anyone is sexy, nobody's arguing that. The problem is when those thoughts cross into action and become harassment. I have some close friends who cosplay, and they all have horror stories. When they complain about men objectifying them, they don't mean nobody is allowed to find them attractive. They're talking about the guys who try to grope, and ask rude sexual questions, and harass them with crude innuendo. Or the p…
/r/MensRights23/04/13 10:00 PM
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I completely agree with you and I'm sad this attitude isn't more prevalent. There are scary dangerous extremists on both sides. If we want people to acknowledge that men's issues shouldn't be defined by the biggest jerks talking about them... we need to acknowledge that the same is true of the reciprocal side. Feminism is not a dirty word.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 06:53 AM
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I've met several. But usually the problem isn't overt prejudice. The problem is subconscious prejudice. There are men who claim to be feminists and still show sexist behavior towards women, just as there are women who claim to be against gender roles and still show sexist behavior towards men. Those are prejudices that it's extremely difficult to unlearn. It's for the same reason that we can't just unlearn racism and become perfect human beings. We might overcome the idea intellectually, but the…
/r/MensRights18/03/13 10:10 PM
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I said "might," dude. I just meant that I didn't want to argue about it because it shouldn't matter.
/r/MensRights17/03/13 04:06 PM
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I couldn't find it. Could you give me the link to that post?
/r/MensRights17/03/13 07:24 AM
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People get really weirdly Republican when it comes to the obesity epidemic.
/r/MensRights16/03/13 11:28 PM
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I still gotta disagree. In my experience both sides are equally materialistic. I see where you're coming from, when I was fat in high school I dated an anorexic girl. But I'm talking about the further ends of the spectrum.
/r/MensRights16/03/13 10:45 PM
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I think we generally agree on most things at this point. We don't seem to be arguing heavily anymore. I get what you're saying. I guess my point is just that not everybody has that in them. It's possible for everyone to lose weight, but it's extremely difficult for most people to pull themselves out of it alone. and when we place all of the fault on the individual, we ignore the societal problems that are making this such a huge trend. There is a measure of personal responsibility that needs to …
/r/MensRights16/03/13 10:34 PM
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I gotta disagree. I don't know any seriously fat guys with girlfriends. I know lots of seriously fat girls with boyfriends.boys are generally willing to hold lower standards than girls are.
/r/MensRights16/03/13 10:20 PM
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Because it's a chemical dependency on unhealthy food. It's also much easier to stay at a healthy weight than it is to get to a healthy weight. The obese need a support system the same way alcoholics have AA, you don't just yell at someone until they stop being an alcoholic. When I said I've never met a real person like that I meant someone who screams human rights when you bring up the idea of being healthier. With the exception of crazies, everybody wants to be at a healthy weight. They just ha…
/r/MensRights16/03/13 10:10 PM
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I've never actually met a real human being who thinks that way. Some people are very sensitive about their weight because of the ridicule they get, but it's usually possible to get through to people if you're polite and understanding. I don't know what the best way to deal with it is on a societal level. I just know that shaming is actively hurting. If you have a friend you're concerned about, offer to be gym buddies with them. Losing weight is very hard but it's much easier when you have a supp…
/r/MensRights16/03/13 09:21 PM
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It's a hard life, man. I feel your pain and I'm sorry you have to deal with that.
/r/MensRights16/03/13 09:19 PM
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Oh, yeah, they're hilarious. I'm just speaking as a general issue.
/r/MensRights16/03/13 09:10 PM
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I feel like you're not arguing my point. I agree that being offended doesn't automatically entitle certain rights. But if valid points are raised then it's at least worthy of discussion. I'm not saying obesity isn't a problem, I just think people should be more sensitive instead of blindly shaming. It's been repeatedly shown that fat shaming doesn't work. It's just being shitty to people instead of helping them. Bullying and dehumanizing doesn't combat the disorder, it just makes it worse. I str…
/r/MensRights16/03/13 08:17 PM
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We're cool Danger Mouse I was just clarifying my point.
/r/MensRights16/03/13 08:02 PM
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Huge difference between pointing out something unhealthy and being an asshole. Shaming doesn't help anything, it just makes life harder for people already in a shitty situation. Offering to go to the gym with someone, or to be there for them when they're worried they might binge is helpful. Shaming is something harmful people do because looking down on other people makes them feel good.
/r/MensRights16/03/13 07:36 PM
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and look at all the good you are doing. totally making the world a better place and not just you being an asshole.
/r/MensRights16/03/13 07:16 PM
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Yeah. I'm willing to admit that it might affect women more. It's just one of those issues where I would like to hear people say "stop fat-shaming" instead of "stop fat-shaming women."
/r/MensRights16/03/13 07:14 PM
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Fat guy here. It's amazing how many people treat fat-shaming as an exclusively female issue.
/r/MensRights16/03/13 06:45 PM
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Whenever people tell me that men's issues aren't important because women have it worse, I argue that women's issues aren't important because children are starving in Africa. It's not a perfect comparison, but it's a good way of illustrating to people that we don't just fix things based on ignoring anything other than what they think is the worst problem.
/r/MensRights28/10/12 05:04 PM
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I agree with you, but I don't think this is really the conversation we're having. I'm not debating over whether rape legislation is fair, I'm just saying that it's a very ambiguous crime in many cases.
/r/MensRights17/09/12 04:53 AM
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But that's not the issue we're talking about, though. Are you saying that every case of rape is clear-cut? I would argue that a lot of them aren't, and there are a lot of cases where people commit acts of rape that they themselves do not consider rape.
/r/MensRights17/09/12 03:59 AM
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I would agree, but grey areas do exist. For example, when someone makes an explicit refusal while drunk and can't defend themselves adequately. Many people would not consider themselves raped if the other person says "I don't want to" and then doesn't stop you, but many people would consider themselves raped if they told someone to stop and that person didn't.
/r/MensRights17/09/12 03:16 AM
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Clearly some people think rape is okay because rapists exist in our society. It's a difficult crime to define, which hurts both sides. It hurts people who are accused of committing a crime when they did nothing wrong, but it also hurts victims of something wrong that others do not consider a crime. Rape is different because it's something that people do casually without understanding the full implications of their actions and it destroys people's lives. People who commit assault or murder are us…
/r/MensRights17/09/12 03:12 AM
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But they don't, though. This subreddit spends a lot of time talking about how difficult it is for male rape victims to get taken seriously. There are also females who have the same problem, with people saying "she was asking for it" or similar things like that. They've done studies on date rapists that show many of them don't take their own crimes that seriously, or even acknowledge them as having done something wrong. Rape is taken too lightly by a lot of people. This isn't a gender issue, it's…
/r/MensRights17/09/12 12:25 AM
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I think the problem here is how seriously they're taken in real life. Everybody understands how serious death is, but not everybody understands how serious rape is. Rape victims of both genders can struggle to be taken seriously, which is harmful. The complaint people have is we should be remembering that rape is something serious, because some people (especially rapists) don't take it seriously. There's no problem with people not taking death seriously.
/r/MensRights16/09/12 11:44 PM
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The wage gap isn't non-existent, it's just highly exaggerated. There are some cases where women have had to rightfully sue employers for gender discrimination. You'll make a lot more progress in discussion if you set the basis that both sides have a point, then bring up the statistics. She's right that women are sometimes paid unfairly and you're right that those figures are highly exaggerated.
/r/MensRights10/06/12 10:38 PM
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I think this is a nitpicky criticism. I thought the article was refreshingly balanced. I enjoyed reading it.
/r/MensRights09/06/12 05:43 AM
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"Saying men's issues aren't important because women have it worse is like saying that women's issues aren't important because there are children starving in Africa." That phrase has gotten me past this in every conversation I've ever had about the issue. Personally I think that women do have it worse in many areas, and I make that clear, but it's impossible to have a conversation if both sides can't participate.
/r/MensRights09/06/12 05:23 AM
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What the hell is psychological dating violence?
/r/MensRights07/06/12 09:45 PM
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