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Why are we still talking about women I thought we went our own way
/r/MGTOW08/08/19 12:10 PM
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Would you prefer to be the supplier or consumer of sex? What are the pros and cons of each?
/r/MGTOW23/06/19 09:50 PM
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Is birth control really different than any other medicine? You have to take it at the same time every day, so I can understand taking it in public
/r/MGTOW23/06/19 09:41 PM
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I hope so
/r/MGTOW30/05/19 03:50 PM
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What about AWALT?
/r/MGTOW30/05/19 03:45 PM
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Stop using Jewish memes out of context
/r/MGTOW05/04/19 01:09 PM
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I’m dating a guy who has a girlfriend, and I have casual sex with others as well. I enjoy flirting, and I don’t want to be held back in that regards. Also, I don’t want a super entangled relationship because I’m in school and will move in 1.5 years. He, on the other hand, needs a lot of affection and attention (can be kind of exhausting lol) so it’s good to spread that energy over two people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 02:52 AM
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See I think it’s different if you start a conversation organically, with no expectations or ulterior motives other than a nice conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 11:27 PM
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I’ve never been cold approached, but my sister once was at the mall, and we both laughed at how odd it was lol. I can’t imagine it ever working, even if the guy is hot— I don’t know anything about him and he doesn’t know anything about me yet
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 03:46 AM
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Statements like this reinforce the idea that mental health is a “woman’s issue.” Men’s mental health is under diagnosed and under treated, combined with more lethal ways of attempting suicide, leads to a much higher male suicide rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 01:42 PM
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Is this a thing you’ve seen lots of women complaining about? I sure haven’t
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 12:58 AM
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I second this “I don’t want to get called on” sentiment. It’s exactly this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 08:08 PM
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Dude, she gave YOU answers to a test, not the other way around— I think it would be inaccurate to say she’s “using” you. She may or may not be attracted to you, but she definitely wants to be friends—new friends are great! Appreciate this for what it is! Don’t get so caught up in your insecurity that you somehow spin someone being nice to you into a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 02:20 PM
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I want to date a man who supports, listens to, and respects women with his actions. I don’t care much if he identifies as feminist. but if he claims to be a feminist but doesn’t back that up with action, I’ll respect him less than if he didn’t claim to be feminist in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 11:06 PM
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Sure, but is that the most important thing you teach your kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 11:04 PM
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Nice is so ambiguous, I prefer words like kind, thoughtful, and considerate. Also respectful and ethical depending on the situation. I’ve abandoned the word nice all together
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 09:07 PM
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Well I’m currently in an polyamorous relationship, so as long as I can have as many husbands as I want, then sure. If only he gets more than one partner? Fuck no
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 09:04 PM
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I think you put way too much emphasis on our “lizard brains.” The key characteristics of humans is the influence of nurture over nature compared to other species. For example, some believe the idea of “sleeping through the night” didn’t happen until agriculture (it’s better to sleep lightly to wake up if there are any predators), but now we put a lot of effort into having long uninterrupted sleeps. Also, our closest relatives— chimps and bonobos— have very different social structures and mating …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 09:03 PM
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Clearly satire, making fun of guys who say lying about rape is worse than rape, but ok.
/r/MGTOW24/01/19 03:30 AM
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Off all the MGTOW things, this has never made much sense to me. As long as someone hasn’t cheated, and doesn’t have any STIs, idk why it matters how many consensual sexual partners someone has had in the past
/r/MGTOW21/01/19 02:41 AM
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Dear lord real people don’t think like this for the most part. I’d only sign a prenup if I thought it was fair and if the guy didn’t seem paranoid about future divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 01:20 AM
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Hm well treating women as human beings doesn’t seem like a bad thing lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 05:38 PM
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Wait does a woman having a lot of PiV sex discust you? Also, what about a woman who has only had oral sex, but with tons of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 04:45 PM
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The terms slut and player only exist in a world where one party “gives” sex to another... and it’s always assumed the woman gives it to the man. Once you have same sex couples, and it’s seen as more of a mutual thing, these labels don’t make sense
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 04:44 PM
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I think the “standard of living” thing actually makes a lot of sense. I’m very fortunate to come from a well-off family, and my two siblings and I all went to private high school. My parents are still together and all is well, but if they had divorced for some reason, it would have sucked to move schools.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 04:39 PM
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If there was an ad that was like “white people need to step up” I, as a liberal white person, would agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 12:24 AM
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In middle school, guys would play a game where they would slap each other’s hands until someone cried uncle. It was so dumb. No girls were impressed. Also, fraternity hazing. No women are even present for most of itz
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 12:23 AM
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I date people who have similar core values to me, and act upon those values. I don’t care if a guy calls himself a feminist as long as he’s supporting women in his life and being a decent person. If a guy says he’s a feminist, but then discriminates/is creepy or does some other non feminist action, I’m doubly pissed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 11:53 PM
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This is so accurate it hurts.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 02:53 AM
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Lol y’all can’t spot satire
/r/MGTOW13/01/19 01:25 PM
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For a long log it was not the norm for western women to work outside the home. In communist countries men and women were required to work outside the home. Cultural attitudes take a while to catch up with reality
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 01:15 PM
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The title is misleading, but the body of your argument makes sense. I think MRAs should be happy about this development— we are starting to acknowledge the special challenges men may face with mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 01:12 PM
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Lol I thought incel content was banned
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 12:19 PM
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It’s not wishing for utopia to call out and (when needed) punish bad people for being bad. This won’t stop people from being bad, but it decreases the number, and that should be our priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 12:18 PM
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Sure, but also, can we tell guys (and gals!) not to be shitty? It’s often hard to tell at the beginning of someone’s gonna be shitty and breaking up is hard especially if you’re finances, friends, etc overlap
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 09:41 PM
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Right, but lots of kits are never examained I’m Georgia. It seems a lot of times local jurisdictions don’t take rape accusations seriously, so the state stepped in and required all rape kits to be tested
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 01:54 AM
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That is true; that being said, given the small number of rapes being reported compared the number of rapes, there are many more rapists set free than people are falsely accused. When we can, we should take measures that prevent rape while not increasing likelyhood of false accusations — for example, Georgia passed a law two years ago saying all rape tests must be examined (there were thousands in backlog!). Also including consent in sex education.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 01:20 AM
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I don’t think it’s ridiculous, but considering only 30% of rapes are even reported to police, and less than 1% of men go to jail, rapists walking free is a larger issue than false accusations and should be prioritized
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 01:12 AM
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Both kinds of rape ruin lives
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 01:07 AM
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Because this is more common, and affects a greater number of women. I’ve seen so many posts about women who’s boyfriends have attempted anal sex without consent or preparation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 01:06 AM
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Can the red pill exist without women? It’s all about how to interact with women
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/19 07:44 PM
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Men are more likely to die in workplace accidents, women are more likely to be killed by current or former intimate partners. Both of these things are real issues and the solution isn’t to argue who has it worse, but improve workplace safety and take initial harassment complaints more seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/19 02:11 PM
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No it’s cuz men are more likely to have access to and use guns, which are much more lethal than other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/19 02:09 PM
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Idk how you can confidently claim it’s paranoia when 2.5 women are killed every day in the US by current or former intimate partners? Also, try to have empathy and actually listen to women when we explain how we struggle rather than writing everything off as paranoia
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/19 02:31 AM
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Real question: what real changes have men made in the dating world in response to #MeToo? I’ve heard of men not wanting to mentor women, but I haven’t seen any sort of behavioral change in dating. Also, can you list any of the strategies women use to protect themselves on dates and at parties? It’s likely that you have no idea how much effort it takes
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/19 01:48 AM
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Hm the fact that you successfully fled a war is impressive, and possibly shows character or something? Idk
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/19 12:54 AM
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There’s what’s practical, and what’s fair. I take precautions when dating to protect myself because that’s practical. I can take precautions while still pointing out that the current system is unjust.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/19 12:41 AM
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Depends on how you measure it. If we measure it in “likelihood of being killed or seriously injured by your date/significant other” I think women by far have it worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/19 12:35 AM
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No partner is ever “yours”— this is because they are a person choosing to be with you... they can always choose not to be with you as well. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try for a LDR though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 08:55 PM
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That’s fair
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 01:57 PM
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Oh I was saying female mentors, or a women’s networking group (men have plenty of clubs/groups both formal and informal)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 01:56 PM
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I need to brush up on my history of 2nd wave feminism clearly. Also what do you think about the r/MensLib sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 04:33 AM
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Well several people including her therapist corroborated her account (with the physical notes), she told people way before the hearings.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 04:10 AM
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Wait how do you know the Kavanaugh accusations are false? I can understand saying there’s not enough evidence to know they’re true, but there also isn’t enough evidence to know they’re false. Also, he didn’t face jail time, which is why the standard wasn’t “beyond a reasonable doubt”— it was a job interview which has a lower standard. If a woman makes a false accusation, she should be tried in a court of law and only be convicted if it can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt she lied. Also, the …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 04:09 AM
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USE YOUR DAMN WORDS AND ASK WHAT SHE WANTS FOR GOODNESS SAKES!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 04:05 AM
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Idk I’ve been catcalled wearing regular clothes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 04:04 AM
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What if a man is being raped? What if a man is being stabbed? What if a woman is being stabbed?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 04:02 AM
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Dear lord, not all women are feminists, and not all feminists are perfect feminists all the time. I do think feminists tend to be more sex positive and talk about sex more freely though, so I can see how you’d come to this conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 04:01 AM
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I think demisexuality can be useful for people to understand their own sexuality and explain it to other people. It doesn’t make you LGBTQ+ automatically though
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 03:57 AM
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I’m a female student at a liberal university so I basically exclusively fuck bloops lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 03:56 AM
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Well so the way you close the remaining gender pay gap is by giving men paternity leave, giving women mentors in heavily male fields. It won’t be through legislation, but rather through the more difficult, long term process of changing gender norms and expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 03:52 AM
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This is a lot to chew on, I appreciate your well thought out response. What I don’t see in MRA spaces (so far!) is actual solutions, but rather pointing out men have problems too— I appreciate how you pointed to some solutions. I agree that we shouldn’t push boys into an educational system designed for girls— I think we need to rethink both how we raise/socialize boys and girls + how the school system is designed. That’s what I meant by “raise boys and girls the same way”— teach boys and girls t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 03:50 AM
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I’m so confused
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:14 PM
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Well the assumption that women should drop out of the workforce to take care of children, not men, is what’s causing this gap Id argue. I saw one article that showed women’s wage growth slowed after marriage even if they didn’t have kids, because their employers thought they would have kids and drop out of the workforce. Feminism can make paternity leave etc more acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:06 PM
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How has feminism caused gender stereotypes? I think today’s world is a halfway completed project. Edit: I can see how feminism effects divorce, but not the rest
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:00 PM
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Most people in poverty are women, most perpetrators of violent crime are men, most wars are started by men, most laws historically prohibiting women from dangerous fields were written by men.
/r/MensRights31/12/18 07:59 PM
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Well once women on average start making the same amount of money as men, eventually it’s gonna happen naturally
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 07:52 PM
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Then why do they complain about feminists all the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 07:51 PM
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lol I mostly agree except the communism part
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 07:39 PM
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The biggest lie in porn is that partners can read each other’s minds and no talking is involved. Lots of women do like kinky sex, lots of women don’t like it— the only way to know is to use your damn words and ask. If you’re too shy/awkward to ask about doing something kinky, you’re not ready to do something kinky.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 07:20 PM
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Hm I’m a little confused now. Hegemonic masculinity is one of the first search results when you search for “toxic masculinity”— but they don’t appear to be the exact same thing. I’ll concede that toxic masculinity is not well defined.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 07:16 PM
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Here’s another definition I found “refers to the socially-constructed attitudes that describe the masculine gender role as violent, unemotional, sexually aggressive, and so forth.” Again, not all sexist attitudes are toxic masculinity. You’re the one making definitions up
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 07:14 PM
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That’s sexism, but not toxic masculinity. How do you define toxic masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 07:12 PM
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Is it? Here’s the best definition of toxic masculinity I could find: “Toxic masculinity is a narrow and repressive description of manhood, designating manhood as defined by violence, sex, status and aggression. It’s the cultural ideal of manliness, where strength is everything while emotions are a weakness; where sex and brutality are yardsticks by which men are measured, while supposedly “feminine” traits—which can range from emotional vulnerability to simply not being hypersexual—are the means…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 07:11 PM
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Why is it the guys responsibility to claim someone? Either partner should be able to initiate the talk. Also, how do you propose same sex relationships should work?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 07:07 PM
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Dear lord. Relationships shouldn’t be some complex negotiation/game. If two people are into each other, they should date. If one isn’t interested, they shouldn’t. How hard is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 07:02 PM
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Not all masculine traits are toxic— they’re toxic if they hurt men and/or the people around them. Things like: aggression (towards other men or towards women), expectations of repressing emotions, etc. I wouldn’t necessarily classify holding doors open, paying for checks as toxic masculinity. We can debate if those traditions are good for men and/or women, but I wouldn’t define them as toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 07:00 PM
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I think it’s fine to not want to date someone with a serious mental illness, but calling women “damaged goods” and otherwise insulting women who are dealing with a serious illness seems shitty to me. It’s fine not to want to date someone, and even to warn your friends, but being derogatory isn’t cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 05:25 PM
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I care because of the way RP talks about BPD. I can’t find the thread but I have a screenshot of one thread. https://imgur.com/a/REdpsGM
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 05:06 PM
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I think men who are unable to work should get welfare too. Those able to work should provide for those unable to. No one is owed sex or a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 04:39 PM
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Single dads should get welfare too if they need it. I’m of the opinion that as a society we should take care of people— children, elderly, disabled— who can’t take care of themselves. If their family is unable to care for them, the government should step in because it’s morally wrong to let someone starve when we could help.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 04:13 PM
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Either way, children shouldn’t have to suffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 03:54 PM
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I think all children have a right to food and shelter etc. children shouldn’t have to suffer because of their parents poor choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 03:46 PM
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Mainstream feminists support legalization of prostitution, we call feminists who don’t “SWERFS” (sex worker exclusionary radical feminists)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 02:49 PM
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How is feminism related?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 02:45 PM
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I can’t find the thread but I took a screenshot of the thread that made me think of this: https://imgur.com/a/REdpsGM
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 02:43 PM
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I’m not saying I agree with the entirety of that quote, but it seemed dishonest to cut it short. I disagree with the last part.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 06:51 AM
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My brother was diagnosed with it when he wash maybe 13, but then came out as transgender, and has been much happier and more stable since he transitioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 06:35 AM
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Ooooo I like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 06:02 AM
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I would say objectifying men is bad (the most egregious example was when all the reporters would talk about at the Olympics was that British divers abs— ignoring his hard work). BUT— it’s still not as pervasive as objectification of women. Firstly, the history of seeing women as property is very very long. Secondly, even though modern objectification is more subtle, it starts basically at birth for little girls— I saw a picture of a pink onsie that said “I hate my thighs” on Facebook once. A lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 05:54 AM
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Well usually you don’t know your spouse will abuse you in the future when you get married. Or you are financially dependent on your spouse. Or they gaslight you. Etc etc etc
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 05:00 AM
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I think the kids part is super understandable. And you’re allowed to date whoever you want. Just know, there are sometimes really good reasons for divorce (namely abuse) and I don’t think it’s fair to hold that against someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 04:42 AM
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The fuck? Sex offenders are criminals who hurt people. Sluts are women who engage in consensual sex for fun. How these things are remotely similar I don’t understand. I’m sure you would have loved the Salem witch trials though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 04:14 AM
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Agree 100%. No such thing as free lunch
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 04:11 AM
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Wait why? are you saying I should be trying to date hookups who don’t want a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 11:21 PM
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This isn’t going our own way y’all, stop talking about vaginas
/r/MGTOW30/12/18 10:05 PM
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Who is the car in this analogy? I’m confused
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 09:56 PM
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So you’re saying if two people are no longer compatible they should stay together? And if I break up with someone who I don’t love I should face ‘consequences’? What?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 09:55 PM
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Wait then why are you upset women sleep around?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 09:48 PM
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Because people grow up and personalities change.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 09:46 PM
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This! You should still be kind and respectful to someone even if you don’t want to date them (unless their behavior hurts someone, then you don’t have to respect them)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 09:44 PM
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It just doesn’t make sense to be mad about the past if it doesn’t effect the present. Also women aren’t cars they can’t be “on lease.” If she dated a guy it’s because she wanted to
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 09:42 PM
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Oh yes I totally agree with you there.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 09:40 PM
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Mainstream feminists (so not ‘SWERFS’) support porn, but have issues with the porn industry because it’s exploitative. Amateur porn is totally cool though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 09:28 PM
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But why do you care what she did in her youth if it doesn’t affect her now?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 09:24 PM
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I’m 21, and I’ve never seen any of this happen in real life, although when I was a kid my babysitter did tell us stories of how she got out of tickets when she was younger. I’ve only worked at 4 places and I’ve never seen anyone flirt with coworkers at all tbh, except in highschool as a lifeguard but we were all of similar seniority. I don’t really go to bars so I wouldn’t know.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 09:24 PM
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Are you claiming sleeping around in someone’s youth decreases sex drive later on? It seems like if you marry an older woman she will still be old regardless of whether she used to sleep around.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 09:17 PM
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How does sleeping with someone decrease someone’s youth? Sleeping around doesn’t increase the speed of aging. Smoking, not using sunscreen do, but sleeping with people doesn’t do anything to you as long as you use protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 08:53 PM
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Catcalling is not conversational in tone. It’s often outside the window of a car so you have no chance to respond. It’s a guy shouting a “compliment” to you without expecting any sort of response. You’re talking about complimenting in a social setting, as part of a conversation. If it’s in a creepy tone of voice, it may still be considered icky, but it’s not catcalling.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 08:51 PM
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One obvious difference is catcalling is a one sided exchange, where a guy just kinda yells something out. Approaching would be a conversational tone of voice, not a shouting one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 08:48 PM
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I’ve never had someone approach me randomly, but I’ve had lots of guys yell random stuff out their window to me. Often I can’t make out what they say, but it’s still unsettling every time. Once when I was walking and it was pouring a guy said “damnnn girl I wish I could give you an umbrella” so that one was pretty harmless. Also once when I was running in sweats a guy yelled out the window of his car “ARE YOU A BOY OR A GIRL?” So that might be the only example of a randomly yelled insult lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 07:29 PM
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You realize 50% of the worlds population are women. And that the women who do porn etc are likely not the same as women complaining about objectification. Also, if I did porn, I’d obviously be ok being objectified in that context because I chose to be there, but would be annoyed at someone catcalling me when I’m just walking down the street minding my own business.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 07:25 PM
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It probably depends on where you live. I live in the suburbs so I only get catcalled when running, and I honestly have no idea what they’re saying it’s just yelling. If I didn’t run I don’t think I’d be catcalled though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 05:00 PM
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You realize that women stop getting their periods during menopause right? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 03:57 PM
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I think it would be interesting to compare earnings of spouses when they first start dating, and then after they’ve been married for a while. The gap in average wages by gender for 25 year olds is much smaller than for 50 year olds. My hypothesis is most people date someone who earns roughly the same amount, but than one partner (usually the woman) quits or starts working less hours once kids are involved, and stops being promoted, meaning there’s an earning gap between the partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 03:56 PM
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I think doctors typically marry doctors and lawyers typically marry other lawyers. My parents were both consultants and earned the same amount, but then my mom quit her job to raise us. Now she works in the nonprofit world which has much more flexible hours, but earns significantly less. If she tried to go back to consulting her earning potential would be much lower than my dads because she took time off.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 03:49 PM
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I think male feminist realize that gender stereotypes hurt men too, and advocate for greater mental health care for men, paternity leave, etc while also advocating for women’s rights. I don’t think I’ve seen a connection between BDSM and feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 02:11 PM
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You ask once, and if she says no, back off. Someone linked a yahoo article and it looks like he sent her tons of messages. Also, it’s possible that this guy is a creep but the university is also racist in its sentencing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 03:16 AM
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I totally agree with the comfort thing! But I can get comfortable with FWB when real friendship is involved
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 02:03 AM
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Mostly a guy who can’t keep up a conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 12:10 AM
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21 F, white, blue pill no ambition racist, sexist, classist overweight boring -rude/disrespectful
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 10:21 PM
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Not all feminists are women, and not all women are feminists. If you conflate the two, then you’re gonna see a lot of hypocrisy, but you’re really talking about two overlapping groups of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 04:21 PM
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Yeah sophomore year sucked but eventually got better. Loneliness is a very common experience though
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 03:38 AM
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There’s a lot of scientific research on transgender people, and trans people have existed in lots of cultures. The whole “trans age” thing is new and not supported by science.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 03:15 AM
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Feminism and women’s actions aren’t one in the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 03:13 AM
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When I quit the crew team at my school (I waited until the end of the season) I lost basically my entire social network (we were still friendly, but not good friends). Sure, I had hookups, but that really didn’t do anything to stop the crushing loneliness I felt. This had nothing to do with a lack of a boyfriend, but lack of friends. Both men and women can suffer from not having close friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 03:12 AM
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Or just decide if you’re attracted to someone on a case by case basis
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 08:31 PM
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Personally I think it’s fine to have exclusionary dating preferences, but not fine to go around announcing them. Also, you can treat people who you don’t want to date with respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 08:27 PM
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Wait I’m saying men do freeze too. We agree men are victims of sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 10:48 AM
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The guy isn’t speaking on her behalf, he’s genuinely asking what she wants. The burden of asking/speaking first rests on whoever initiates physical contact.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 12:42 AM
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Use your words when body language is unclear. Sometimes body language is enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 10:59 PM
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Ok fair point. It’s just frustrating when someone asks women a question, women answer, and guys call us crazy/unfit to be in public
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 10:43 PM
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I do think the freezing response applies to male victims of sexual assault btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 10:38 PM
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Mmmmm that’s probably it. I just hate when I answer a question and a bunch of guys attack me for lying... like don’t bother reading my comment if you automatically think it’s false!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 10:35 PM
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Ok but if the question is asked of women: do you like financially stable men? And a woman answers truthfully but you don’t like the answer... why did you ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 10:03 PM
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If someone is starfishing I’d ask and make sure they were doing ok
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 09:42 PM
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Morally, whoever initiates should make sure there is consent. Because it’s the right, respectful thing thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 06:26 PM
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This is a personal ethical belief, not a legal doctrine, but if you imitate something, you take on the responsibility for making sure your partner consents. Also, I would interpret non responsiveness as a probable no, but would ask and clarify...I also don’t want to have sex with a starfish lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 06:20 PM
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We can both tell women to defend their boundaries (be realistic) AND ask guys not to push boundaries/ask women what their boundaries are. Sure, women should get better at saying no, but men ALSO need to get better asking, and stopping when women do say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 06:15 PM
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It can be true that: 1. People should be taught that it’s ok to say no (women often are told to be nice at the expense of their own comfort) AND We should blame the bad people for being bad, and tell them to stop. Some people (like OP) may not realize their behavior is harmful. Both can be true. We can both tell women to defend themselves AND tell men not to put women in situations where they have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 06:14 PM
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Why can’t you ask tho?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 06:11 PM
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If a woman’s body language is unclear, use your words!!!! It’s the responsibility of whoever initiates to make sure there is consent— this can be body language, but if body language is unclear you should ask. Note; I’m a woman, I often initiate, and I always ask guys for consent
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 04:54 PM
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It’s the responsibility of whoever initiates to ask for yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 04:52 PM
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If body language is unclear, USE YOUR WORDS. Also “nothing ever happens” is not damned lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 04:52 PM
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It’s the responsibility of the initiator to get consent. This can be nonverbal/body language, but if the body language is unclear, it is the responsibility of the initiator (regardless of gender! I’m a woman and I often ask my male partners for consent!) to USE THEIR DAMN WORDS. As far as submissive fantasies, BDSM has higher standards of consent, whereby partners typically discuss limits and safe words beforehand.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 04:51 PM
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People can say “yes” through body language. If someone’s body language is unclear, USE YOUR DAMN WORDS. Also realize that freezing is a super common response when in a scary or uncomfortable situation. If your partner freezes up it’s your responsibility to ask what’s wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 04:48 PM
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If you don’t understand someone’s body language, it’s your responsibility as the initiator to USE YOUR DAMN WORDS
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 04:46 PM
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A lot of times we do say no with our body language by moving away and the initiator doesn’t listen. You should also know that “freezing” is an incredibly common response to sexual response. If your partner freezes up from fear, it’s your responsibility to stop and ask what’s wrong. Ultimately it’s the responsibility of the initiator to read body language, and ask if body language is confusing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 04:41 PM
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Well usually we try to physically shy away and hope the guy gets the hint and stops, it’s a less risky strategy. Eventually most women would say “no” but it’s really the initator’s responsibility to read body language, and ask using words if body language is confusing. Also, on a more serious note, you should know that freezing is a very common response to sexual assault. If your partner freezes up, stop what your doing and ask what’s wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 04:39 PM
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Exactly! Saying “no” can be scary, especially for the conflict averse. It’s the person who is initiating’s responsibility to ask for a “yes” (verbally or nonverbally)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 02:23 PM
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From personal experience, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 02:20 PM
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It’s the responsibility of the initiator to make sure the person is saying YES, not their responsibility to say NO. Saying an outright “no” can be really scary, especially if you don’t know a guy well and think he might hurt you (even if this fear isn’t rational, it exists!) Learn to read body language— if someone isn’t leaning towards you/reciprocating, wait for them to initiate. If you can’t read body language USE YOUR DAMN WORDS. Also, regardless of what legal consent is, ethical consent is Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 02:15 PM
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Wait so you wouldn’t want to date an above average intelligence woman if she was genuine?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 12:43 AM
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This! When people in relationships say “he’s mine” or “she’s mine” it always makes me cringe
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 12:03 AM
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Or maybe he just likes running
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 11:54 PM
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What about being friends with women he doesn’t want to sleep with?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 10:58 PM
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You’re right about the “going somewhere” thing. I do think I’m more likely to meet guys with similar backgrounds to me
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 10:57 PM
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Put effort into yourself for you. Run so you can live a long healthy life. Pick up hobbies because you enjoy them. Etc
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 10:43 PM
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That sucks, it really does. But it’s not anyone’s fault that they don’t like you, no one can control their attraction. You don’t sound like you’re in a good place to be dating at all honestly. Focus on friendships and maybe go to therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 10:38 PM
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Remember, no one owes you a relationship, and so it’s not really anyone’s “fault” you don’t have one. No one can control their feelings, and I imagine you don’t want to be with someone who doesn’t love you— if your ex fell out of love with you, it’s for the best that y’all broke up. I know loneliness really sucks, so I’d focus on forming close platonic friendships,
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 10:26 PM
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Glad to see another ethically non monogamous person! So much RP breaks down outside of monogamy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 09:55 PM
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I don’t rank guys like this? That being said I’ve only dated guys who I’ve met though school (I go to a good college) and although it’s elitist I don’t think I’d marry a guy without a college degree
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 09:52 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 05:06 PM
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Over 30, but it’s not a strong preference as long as the virgin wouldn’t judge me for not being one. I deff want to have sex before marriage so I wouldn’t marry someone who wanted to wait
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 04:45 PM
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Not just your question, there have been a lot of them lately. Also I posted under the auto mod for a reason
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 04:41 AM
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They’re annoying and clogging up the feed imo
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 04:32 AM
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I mean I’m not a virgin, but not a slut. I am currently 21. I want to continue having friends with benefits for a little while because I don’t want a serious relationship right now. I want to age like a normal human.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 03:27 AM
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Ugh can we quit with these hypotheticals?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 03:25 AM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 01:17 AM
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Shorts (or anything that could end in a margin call) scare me lol
/r/MGTOW25/12/18 11:07 PM
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Correlation =! Causation
/r/MGTOW25/12/18 11:01 PM
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This isn’t going your own way! Stop posting stuff about women and focus on yourself
/r/MGTOW25/12/18 10:59 PM
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Timing the market often doesn’t work y’all. Efficient market hypothesis says just put your shit in the S&P500 and wait.
/r/MGTOW25/12/18 04:27 PM
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To clarify, you’re saying because women don’t want to date someone of lower status than them, and women moving up in the workforce, women will be competing for a smaller pool of men? I think one counter balance is feminism is making it more acceptable/cool for the woman to earn more in a hetero relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 02:42 PM
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Capitalism (but for real, the history of women as the primary shoppers for the family led to a lot more products marketed for women basically)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 02:37 PM
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Yeah that’s fair; I usually don’t have the “are we having sex tonight” conversation beforehand, which might be a good idea, although I’m not sure how to say “hey are we having sex tonight?” Also, if it is kinda scary to ask a guy to stop especially if I don’t know him well. If he asks, it signals that he’d be ok if I said “no” and makes me a lot more comfortable (side note: I can’t orgasm if I’m anxious! Comfort is key to my sexual enjoyment). We might have different preferences for mode of comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 05:37 AM
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Even if the clothes are off and we’ve been at it for a while, I don’t always want to have PIV sex during a first hookup even if I’m ok with oral. I’d really prefer the guy to ask before putting on the condom because it’s more awkward for me to ask him to stop once the condom is half on his dick (and also condoms do cost money)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 05:13 AM
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The way I’ve outlined, there are three instances of explicitly asking for consent, and the rest is nonverbal. Also if a guy went and reached for a condom/started putting it on without saying anything and we hadn’t had sex yet, I’d be kind of put off because I might not want to have sex with him, or might want more foreplay. It seems very presumptuous to just put on a condom
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 04:31 AM
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Ok, well these are all things I say if it’s the first time I’m hooking up with someone (I’m a woman). I keep my condoms in a jar on a shelf across the room so I need to get up to get a condom; it would be strange to just get up and grab one without saying something. If you aren’t asking, how do you communicate during sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 02:17 AM
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I think as long as you’re having conversation throughout, it’s good. Also making slow movements to give your partner time to express enthusiasm or discomfort. But also “do you want me to go down on you?” Or “should I grab a condom” Seems like reasonable things to ask
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 01:02 AM
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Link me a better source then
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 12:26 AM
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Ok the Wikipedia page has a lot of studies. All the recent ones have numbers between 2-12%. The study finding 90% was in 1981 and had a sample size of 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 11:14 PM
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Today, American laws generally make two kinds of sexual deception illegal: cases where someone impersonates a person's partner (by sneaking into their bedroom at night, for instance), and cases where someone such as a doctor tricks a patient into thinking a sex act is actually some sort of medical procedure (not the best source but it’s what I found: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/4w5w7g/is-lying-to-get-laid-a-form-of-sexual-assault) Laws broadening this appear to ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 11:09 PM
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I’m not saying this doesn’t happen, and we should look at the evidence in each case. FBI statistics estimate 2-10% of rape accusations are false (it’s a really wide range I know). What I’m saying is that an accused rapist always has an incentive to lie, and a rape accuser only sometimes has a reason to lie. On the flip side, many people have incentives not to report rapes, as the process can be quite traumatic — Only 23% of rapes are reported to police .
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 11:01 PM
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Haha I’m not sure what situation this would describe, but as someone from the south attending college in the north I can relate
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 10:12 PM
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Are you saying title IX offices go out and find women? I’ve never heard of that happening and I’m at a very liberal school
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 09:51 PM
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When I say each level of intensity, I’m being broad. I usually say something before removing clothes, ask before going down on someone, and ask if I should get a condom for sex. I pay attention to body language for in between steps.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 09:44 PM
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Where did you hear this? Can I have a source? Also, people usually don’t just show up randomly at a Title IX office, you go there when something bad has happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 09:32 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 09:19 PM
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It’s also possible for an rapist to say, “yeah she’s lying, I had consent and she’s revoking it now.” Both men and women can lie, sure, but an accused rapist has an incentive to lie 100% of the time, whereas women have the incentive to make false rape claims much less than 100% of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 09:18 PM
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Can I have a source on that? I’ve never heard of Title XI officers telling women to lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 09:13 PM
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“Hey should I grab a condom?” Also works
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 09:12 PM
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You’re being hyperbolic. No you can’t retroactively revoke consent, and almost no feminists actually thinks all sex is rape; that’s like saying all Christians are like the Westboro Baptist Church. In general, to have good consent 1: ask before upping intensity (whoever takes the lead asks)... if you’ve been with a partner for a long time and have had sex multiple times, you should know their body language and don’t have to ask for sex acts you’ve done a lot, but need to ask for something new. 2:…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 09:00 PM
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This is a super helpful analogy: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 08:53 PM
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Exactly. Instead of worrying about what some other person got/is getting (I’m in an open relationship) I worry about making sure I have enough
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 08:03 PM
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I do have a brother! He just got accepted to the same Ivy League school my sister goes to. All three of us got SAT tutoring. I agree boys should be treated with dignity and respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 03:42 PM
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A good rule of thumb is don’t flirt at work. Also some workplaces have a rule where you can ask someone out once, and if they say no for any reason you can’t ask again; they can ask you out next if they’re interested
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 03:32 PM
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Women mostly complain about being hit on when: 1. They reject the guy/are visibly uncomfortable and the guy persists 2. The occasion/place is inappropriate Getting hit on in a bus/train is extremely uncomfortable because you can’t leave. Getting hit on at the gym or some other place when your trying to focus is more annoying. Getting hit on when you’re doing a service job is uncomfortable because you are required to smile and act friendly for your job even if you feel deeply uncomfortable. Don’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 03:30 PM
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I do have a lot of privilege because of my parents for sure— for example, they paid for a SAT tutor, are supporting me financially through college, and have generally been very supportive. I don’t think any of that has to do with being female though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 03:07 AM
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I also want to say it’s ok to have ideological dealbreakers because ideology is based on values. I don’t have all the same positions as my SO, but I couldn’t date someone who didn’t believe in racism or sexism bc that would mean we don’t share core values
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 01:16 AM
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I mean I’m in an open relationship so we both sleep with other people lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 12:59 AM
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It’s terrible! I agree! I’m all for de-stigmatizing mental health issues. Saying “all women have mental health issues” doesn’t help this issue though and makes mental health issues a “female thing.” I’m also saying to take these statistics with a grain of salt.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 01:14 PM
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This survey specifically didn’t ask about ADHD. I’m not sure about autism, but that’s not typically classified as a mental illness but a developmental disability. Also this survey didn’t include people without an address (so homeless people)— this is a big weakness of the survey that I didn’t realize at first, but since men are more likely to be homeless that would affect the sample.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 05:49 AM
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This source says 14% of men have been diagnosed with mental illness and 21% of women have in the US. My understanding is men are less likely to be diagnosed, but more likely to commit suicide, so it seems as if men might be under-diagnosed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 03:34 AM
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What reasons and benefits?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 03:21 AM
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I am taking effort into account— in terms of hours— and if someone’s job is a lot more strenuous, then sure let’s take that into account. But effort does not equal high earnings, and a lot of important difficult jobs like nursing and firefighting are low pay
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 10:35 PM
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I’m saying effort doesn’t always equal earnings. Both partners should put in approximately equal hours of work— paid and unpaid. As far as who is “worth more” in the context of a relationship we shouldn’t be defining this in terms of earning potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 08:26 PM
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Yes. Economic value isn’t the same as human worth. In a relationship, both partners should be viewed as equals regardless of how much their skills are worth in the marketplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 08:18 PM
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Yep
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 05:54 PM
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Yes! It should be about who has time, not who earns more money. If one partners earning potential is lower than the amount of economic output they produce by being a stay at home parent, then that partner probably should stay at home and do the majority of housework though. Ideally both partners should do the approximately same number of work hours a week— including paid and unpaid labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 05:53 PM
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I would say it’s better to divide household labor by hours worked (including commute). For example, a nurse might work more hours than a software developer, but won’t earn as much money. It doesn’t make sense to have an exhausted nurse do all the housework. Also, I think people should clean up after themselves, clean their own dishes etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 05:37 PM
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No one can tell how “manly” you are unless you get a match first
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 09:19 PM
1

What about tinder?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 09:05 PM
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Wait I’m so confused. How did women save your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 04:55 AM
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This is super interesting! You’ve got me convinced
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:09 AM
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This isn’t going your own way at all!
/r/MGTOW20/12/18 11:34 PM
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As much as I love to debate universal healthcare, I think it should be on another subreddit
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 11:29 PM
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This is more MRA, but I do think it’s important to recognize men can be victims of abuse and rape too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 11:28 PM
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I’d really like marriage eventually (I think!), but I’m only 21 so who knows. It probably depends why he didn’t want marriage though. If he didn’t want to get married because of all the symbolism involved in the ceremony and stuff, maybe I’d understand that. If he doesn’t want to get married because only he’s afraid of the financial consequences of divorce, then I would be kind of offended tbh Edit: got my own age wrong lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 11:24 PM
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Diminishing marginal utility means the value of adding one additional hotness point decreases as you add hotness points. Most things are like this; the value of one additional ice cream scoops decreases as you get more ice cream. I’m not saying being hot doesn’t help tho. Why do you think being hot has increasing marginal utility?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 11:12 PM
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This is laughably false lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 06:53 PM
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Federal level: 1. Paid family leave 2. Government sponsored healthcare 3. Legalize sex work, and prosecute sex traffickers State level: 1. Allow victims of domestic abuse a process to break lease 2. Ban shackling prisoners when giving birth
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 05:25 PM
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YES
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 05:07 PM
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If a relationship is likely to injure or kill you , yes
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 04:21 PM
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A more accurate analogy is this: Mr. West has a lot more options. But those options are more likely to poison and kill him him. Mr. East still faces risk of poisoning, but Mr. West’s risk is greater.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 04:20 PM
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Looks definitely matter, but have diminishing marginal utility , ie: it matters a lot if your a 5 vs a 4, but not so much for a 9 vs an 8. Personality and comparability are super important as well. I really need both to want to date someone. I think the shallowest thing about my dating preferences is I’ve only date guys at my college or at similar tier colleges
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 03:13 AM
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When I say women and men are not fundamentally different, I’m not saying they’re exactly the same, especially physically. In sports, we separate by gender to make things more competitive, and in some sports we also separate by weight class. What I’m arguing against is this idea that men and women are fundamentally opposite. This argument of fundamental difference has been exaggerated and was used for a long time to exclude women from public life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 12:25 AM
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Oh so they would say “women aren’t inferior, they are just different. Women are more pure than men and would be corrupted by voting. Women are too delicate to work outside the home. Women’s role of continuing and shaping the ayran race is just as important though!”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 12:13 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 12:10 AM
1

You’re right
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 09:38 PM
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Reading closer, I agree this is more comparing women to children (another common trope). You’re right that this isn’t emphasizing difference as much as I thought at first. The last chapter of Roseau’s Emilé is a much better example
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 09:12 PM
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This kind of rhetoric has ebbed and flowed throughout history, usually as a conservative backlash (an extreme example: Nazi Germany propaganda justifying taking the vote away from women). I’d say current usage is a backlash against third wave feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 09:10 PM
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Some history: before the enlightenment, women were considered slightly worse versions of men, and women’s reproductive organs were seen as analogous to men’s, just internal. During the enlightenment, lots of people started claiming men and women were fundamentally different. A lot of our fav enlightenment thinkers, like Rousseau, had a lot to say about this. Funny enough, enlightenment thinkers also wanted to abolish the “irrational privilege” of the aristocracy. By saying women were fundamental…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 05:04 PM
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If a woman calls a man a wimp for respecting a no, then I wouldn’t want to be friends with her (or date her if I was into women). Encouraging men to not listen to “no” is so messed up
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 04:21 AM
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I want my friends to stick up for me! And if being a man means my male friend can more effectively stick up for me in some situations, yes I want him to help me. It’s not sexist to start up a conversation/give me an excuse to leave if I’m in an uncomfortable situation
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 01:59 AM
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I really couldn’t care less. If he was a virgin I might feel more pressure to make his first time really good and might avoid a one night stand with a virgin
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 01:38 AM
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I mean it should be, but it’s not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 08:07 PM
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Honestly yes. Nothing is hotter than debating with a guy about policy when we share similar values but different visions of implementation
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 07:31 PM
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During sexual situations, yes I want a guy to respect me the first time I say no. If I change my mind I’ll tell him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 07:30 PM
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There is a difference between not liking an individuals behavior, when that individual happens to be a woman “ugh my lab partner Suzy hasn’t done any work!” Vs making derogatory remark about other women in a way that disparages women in general, which is what I’m talking about “Suzy hasn’t done any work, women are so lazy and only care about boys”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 07:27 PM
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I want my friends to protect me in general, but a lot of times men are more likely to back off if another man is involved rather than if a female friend tried to disrupt.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 07:25 PM
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Respecting my descisions when I say I don’t want to do something sexual rather than trying to convince me Not making derogatory remarks about other women Disrupting creepy guys by starting conversations
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 06:16 PM
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I like men who respect me and women in general. If using “woke” terminology (words like heteronormativity) is backed up by action, then yes, I like woke men. When men use woke terms but don’t back it up with action, I dislike them more than if they hadn’t pretended to be woke in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 05:48 PM
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I would define toxic masculinity (and therefore toxic femininity) differently. Toxic masculinity are stereotypes and expeditions of men that hurt men, the people around them, and society as a whole. The examples you gave of toxic masculinity apply, but I think we should be clearer in the definition. I don’t think the silent treatment or dismissiveness count as toxic femininity because they aren’t really backed up by gendered expectations or stereotypes. I think cattyness or gossip would be bette…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 04:03 PM
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Because violence is a masculine stereotype, and was considered acceptable/even expected of husbands and fathers for a long time. In some places like Russia, domestic abuse was legalized (14,000 women die a year from domestic abuse in Russia). Not saying women can’t be or aren’t violent, but no one would say “oh that’s just female nature.” (Domestic violence by women is often not taken seriously, which is ALSO a problem! But based on the stereotype that women are weak, so it’s a different kind of…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 03:59 PM
2

Exactly! Also a lot of toxic masculinity takes places in fraternities and other all male spaces where there are literally no women present. How is that our fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 03:43 PM
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I think sometimes they forget women are people lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 03:41 PM
2

I don’t think it’s just feminists who would find this tweet icky.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 03:40 PM
1

Correlation + other evidence can be enough to prove causation. For example, in the computer science field, women used to dominate until hiring managers started implementing personality tests and puzzles that favored men (note: personality tests don’t really mean much for if someone will be a good programmer) which coincided with the field becoming more lucrative; I believe there is a real argument to make that women were purposefully pushed out once men realized it was a lucrative field. https:/…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 03:33 PM
3

If you make a claim, it’s your responsibility to do the googling usually
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 01:57 PM
2

What studies?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 01:47 PM
1

Did you know that as women join male dominated fields, pay drops, and vice versa?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 01:46 PM
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When I think toxic masculinity, I think fraternity initiation. Guys trying to prove to each other they’re tough. No women are present, and whatever goes down is secret.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 01:36 PM
2

Why tho? What’s your logic? Shouldn’t more attractive women attract more dates? Or are men too intimidated or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 11:11 PM
1

What makes you say that? (I don’t have any evidence either way)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 10:18 PM
1

Ok men were barred from being nurses, and women were barred from being doctors by medical associations... both are wrong, but guess which job pays more?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 01:32 PM
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The biggest thing you’re forgetting here is that women have lives. I’m a college student, so my workload fluctuates a lot. My success online dating seems to depend mostly on how much effort I put in— am I messaging first? Am I responding in a timely fashion with interesting responses? When I get busy, my investment in all conversations drops. At this point, my time is more valuable so the onus is on the guy to prove he’s worth my time. Sometimes I start a conversation when I have a lot of time, …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 01:30 PM
2

If you want to avoid dating someone with already diagnosed anxiety or depression, avoiding people with a high n-count is not an efficient way to do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 12:16 AM
3

“There was no significant association between number of sex partners and later anxiety and depression.” Actually read the abstract
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 10:11 PM
2

If you read the abstract, it says there is no statistically significant relationship between mental health and partner count; there is a correlation between drug use and partner count. I didn’t have a chance to read the rest of the study, but the graphs without context aren’t very useful because they don’t show if something’s statistically significant
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 10:08 PM
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Correlation=\= causation. I think they let women in as a last ditch effort to boost membership and it didn’t work and now they’re failing
/r/MGTOW15/12/18 02:08 PM
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It’s almost like guys don’t realize women are still basically required to wear heels for finance jobs
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 01:50 PM
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What a lot of people don’t realize is that a lot of workplaces used to require women to wear makeup and heels, and it’s still very much expected. (I’m thinking of banks mostly) Heck yes stop requiring us to wear heels lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 01:48 PM
1

It shouldn’t be controversy to say on average men are stronger and taller, I agree. It should be controversial to say men are predisposed to be sexually aggressive and therefore we shouldn’t do anything about sexual assault. Also, women were barred from the more dangerous and higher paying fields for a long time, often with the justification that it would just their ability to have children. I would highly suggest you take a look at the Brandeis brief for Muller v Oregon it’s hilarious
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 01:41 PM
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If you read the abstract the correlation between mental health issues and sexual partners is not statistically significant. The correlation between number of partners and substance abuse is. The graph isn’t super helpful
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 01:36 PM
1

That gender differences are cultural, not innate or biological, and culture can change. If we are unhappy with our current culture, we can work to change it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 02:11 AM
2

What the heck are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 10:02 PM
2

That’s exactly my point, society is prone to flip-flops. If there’s something I don’t like about society, it’s possible to change
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 09:57 PM
1

When I dress skimpily, yes I’m thinking about how others will perceive me. I want to be desirable, in the way that I want people to look at me and think “oh she looks hot.” I don’t necessarily want to actually flirt with men though, and I’m likely not looking to hook up (I don’t have sex after drinking, so if I’ve been drinking, I’m not going to have sex).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 09:07 PM
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Did you know coding used to be a female job? https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/computer-programming-used-to-be-womens-work-718061/ Gender differences aren’t eternal or unchanging
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:20 PM
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Time for a history lesson y’all : During midevil times, men and women weren’t considered to be all that different; women were considered to be imperfect versions of men, and in fact women’s reproductive systems were seen as analogous male reproductive systems but inverted. During the enlightenment, scientists began emphasizing differences between men and women. While there were many real scientific discoveries at this time, it’s important to note a lot of this science was bs— ie: women are more …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:05 PM
1

People who claim current society is run by a pussy cartel have no understanding of economics. A cartel agrees to decrease supply to increase prices. A pussy cartel would be women convincing women not to “put out” without first securing commitment/money/etc, and probably shaming women who do engage in casual sex. A pussy cartel would mean the return of conservative sex attitudes. Today, the issue is that the value of dick has dropped because women have greater career choice and there is less soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 03:03 AM
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I know it’s unusual, but it’s my personal preference. I don’t want to make decisions I’d regret later. Also I’ve heard alcohol makes sex less pleasurable
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 02:54 AM
1

It’s kind of similar to the idea that a lot of women want a “gay best friend” in kind of an objectifying way?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 02:05 AM
1

That’s true, I’m just saying just because I go to a bar doesn’t mean I’m looking to hook up. In fact, I specifically am not looking to hook up if I’m at a bar, I don’t hook up after drinking
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 02:01 AM
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Where do you get this information from? What? I have never once hooked up with someone after a party/going to a bar, but I do legitimately enjoy dancing. I do have causal sex with people who I meet through tinder, so it’s not like I’m opposed to casual sex, just only after a calmer date where I can talk over coffee or something rather than a loud bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 12:27 AM
1

Exactly! Thank you
/r/MGTOW13/12/18 07:53 PM
2

Actually, it’s a lot more likely that this is caused by urbanization/labor laws. If you have a farm, having for kids is helpful, but if you live in a city and kids aren’t allowed to work in factories, then kids are an economic drain. Families become smaller as places urbanize.
/r/MGTOW13/12/18 07:52 PM
1

Most feminists movements stop being pacifist during World War I, except some socialist feminists like Clara Zetkin. Feminists in the 70s also often started as anti-war activists
/r/MGTOW13/12/18 07:46 PM
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I do think feminists are against masculine stereotypes that force men to be brave all the time. Also pre WWI feminists were all pacifists
/r/MGTOW12/12/18 11:22 PM
0

I was hoping you’d do the research lol... also correlation =\= causation
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 04:13 AM
1

I understand why some people like monogamy, but I don’t think it should be the automatic default. I’m in an open relationship and it’s lovely, and I think a lot of people ignore open relationships as a legit solution
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 03:52 AM
1

Huh... do you have any sources? I think I’ve heard that but I don’t think I’ve seen any numbers
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 03:46 AM
2

It seems like a lot of common preferences might be shaped by society, including this one. So many people have such strong reactions over this, and like yeah have your preference, but when so many people care so much about something that logically doesn’t matter, it makes me wonder if something deeper is actually happening
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 03:42 AM
1

Fair, I just got here and I’m honestly confused why people care
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 03:35 AM
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If you don’t believe someone when they say they’ve used dental dams and condoms, why would you believe the number of people they say they’ve had sex with? Or do you just not trust people after they say they’ve had a lot of sex
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 03:34 AM
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People aren’t cars? Cars break down as a function of how long you drive them. People don’t break down as a function or how many people they’ve slept with (as far as I know!)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 03:33 AM
2

But why? Like what specifically turns you off?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 03:19 AM
1

rape trials are pretty uncommon. Most rapes aren’t reported
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 03:05 AM
1

Also something like 90% of rapes aren’t even reported (that’s for Australia); I’m too tired to do math rn, but even let’s say 10% of reported rapes are false, I’m pretty sure the number of unreported rapes is way bigger
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 03:03 AM
1

I wouldn’t do anything drastic, but let her know you have her back, and if you see her looking uncomfortable go join the conversation and just act normal while being a buffer
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 03:01 AM
2

Because your “preferences” don’t exist in a vacuum. Using shame to control female sexuality has a long long history— women accused of promiscuity faced really harsh consequences, so I think it makes sense to move away from shaming sexuality. Also, I really don’t get it, why do guys care about sexual history (not including cheating, I’m talking sleeping around where everyone is ok with it)? As long as you get a STI test and it comes back negative it really doesn’t affect you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 02:52 AM
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I feel like going to dance and expecting not to be groped is pretty reasonable actually. No one, man or woman, should be groped/grinded on without asking first.
/r/MGTOW08/12/18 05:42 AM
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I feel like it’s reasonable to expect guests to clean up after themselves, but not to expect guests (regardless of gender) to clean up messes you made before inviting them. Also, maybe clean your place before inviting guests over?
/r/MGTOW05/12/18 11:09 PM
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