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| 1 | Do you think female sexual plurality ("Alpha fucks Beta bucks") is real? Do you think women sexually respond differently to high status ("alpha") versus low status ("beta") men?Everyone starts out believing they're worthy of love and sex Do they? Is there some innate "confidence level" people are just born with? If it were all about confidence, it would be pretty much impossible for men to actually lose confidence through rejection I am not sure I understand this. It's not that confident people are attractive. What? I totally disagree. Confidence is crazy attractive. Attractive people are just confident. Not all of them are in my experience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/15 08:17 AM |
| -1 | Why do women hold out (typically beta but not always) men in long term relationships sexually?Fucking her is fine, but being intimate is something I simply cannot manage with a girl who has fucked that many dudes. Sorry, but this still doesn't really explain why. It's just explaining is. I mean, why is it disgusting? I'd consider my husband a natural "alpha" and he didn't give a shit beyond ("really? huh" (I mean considering how I am in bed he probably had an inkling though lol) and he wasn't even the one to bring up partner count first). Also, what if you didn't know her partner count a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/15 03:04 AM |
| 0 | Why do women hold out (typically beta but not always) men in long term relationships sexually?20+ she fucked up, too slutty, do not want. Why? I mean, I know it's bean "done to death" but I guess I was just looking for your opinion on the matter. You are asking the right questions, and coming close to the truth of these matters. Stick around and keep contributing quality posts, you might walk away with something you find really useful. I like coming in here sometimes when I'm in the right state of mind wanting to honestly debate because I think there are some worthy debaters in here and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/15 02:27 AM |
| 2 | Why do women hold out (typically beta but not always) men in long term relationships sexually?This always confused me about RP...if you want dirty, nasty sex (or anything that's a step above vanilla) and you are getting it from this girl you really like and could see yourself with, would her (hypothetical) high partner count really hold you back? I mean her history shows she likes having sex and she obviously likes the dirty stuff. Now that's no guarantee she will keep doing it forever (though I disagree with the other girls here and I don't see why that would change over time) but at le… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/15 02:05 PM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP's rigid doctrines and strategies suck all the fun out of male-female relationships.So all reality is healthy? Is that really what you just said? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/15 11:03 PM |
| 3 | If women are most attractive at age 20, explain the immense popularity of "MILF" porn.How many 20 year olds with loads of makeup can look like your average 20 yo porn star? Imgur album of photos in link As an avid reader of /r/MakeupAddiction it's pretty incredible what makeup can do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 10:48 AM |
| 2 | Consensual HuggingI like to really get in there make that her-boob vs my-chest contact, while my hands go right for that ambiguous lower back to the top of the ass zone. I let a hug linger extra long too so the gal knows what's up. In all seriousness though, this is the type of interaction that would instantly put my guard up towards you. Sort of the opposite of what you're intending to achieve. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 10:39 AM |
| 2 | Consensual HuggingThe last thing a woman wants is to be side-hugged by some timid, meek, supplicating beta who's so worried about being "creepy" or "rapey" that he barely makes contact. I don't think that's the last thing women want. In fact, I like to really get in there make that her-boob vs my-chest contact, while my hands go right for that ambiguous lower back to the top of the ass zone. I let a hug linger extra long too so the gal knows what's up. I don't speak for all women, just me, but I would want this e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 10:31 AM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP's rigid doctrines and strategies suck all the fun out of male-female relationships.Do you believe this is a good view for men to have of women in general? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 09:53 AM |
| 8 | CMV: TRP's rigid doctrines and strategies suck all the fun out of male-female relationships.successful relationships are when both people compromise so that everyone has a good time. That's because that is a successful relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 09:49 AM |
| 1 | The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems.men are naturally inclined to do that on their own. Not understanding this part. "you shouldn't tolerate the BS of a person who isn't worth it and break up instead" Yes. All the others (including the happy ones) confirm them. I mean, that's because there are elements of truth to TRP inasmuch that women do like attractive, confident men. But there are degrees to this. Women have sixth senses about things like sensing "dread game" and deep down she will not be happy if this is happening in her rel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 09:47 AM |
| 2 | Consensual HuggingWomen complain about shit like this, but deep down they love the attention. Do we? What is it specifically about uncomfortably lingering hand-on-upper-back contact that we love? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 09:42 AM |
| 0 | CMV: TRP's rigid doctrines and strategies suck all the fun out of male-female relationships.You can totally do sex with a male friend. And yourself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 09:14 AM |
| -1 | CMV: TRP's rigid doctrines and strategies suck all the fun out of male-female relationships.Oh, I see. All they are good for to you. Not to the world. ? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 09:08 AM |
| -1 | CMV: TRP's rigid doctrines and strategies suck all the fun out of male-female relationships.I mean deep down...you really think that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 08:29 AM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP's rigid doctrines and strategies suck all the fun out of male-female relationships.What ARE they good for exactly? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 07:48 AM |
| 2 | Why RedPillers will simultaneously say it's easier to be a woman and that they wouldn't wave a magic wand and be a woman.What do you mean, suck at school? What would that matter? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 06:13 AM |
| 2 | The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems.In those shows, those women are mostly submissive, cook, clean, and are generally nice people. You don't think women can pick up that men like that? Not all men do like that. Regardless, the problem is, she may have been doing those things anyway, but still not fucking him. So when they inevitably break up/divorce, she might be thrown for a loop because she thought she was doing everything she was supposed to but really the only thing she needed to be doing to keep him happy was consistently fuc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 05:44 AM |
| 2 | The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems.They are straight up told the truth that men like skinny, white, and big chested women This is what you said women were told as the "truth" about the reality of what men desire in women. Where in there does it describe what else men like other than physical appearance? This is what society projects on women. Women in ads, magazines, movies, TV; the only thing married women being in the media usually have in common is the same body type (even in The Simpsons and Family Guy- fat guy, skinny big ch… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 04:34 AM |
| 0 | Why RedPillers will simultaneously say it's easier to be a woman and that they wouldn't wave a magic wand and be a woman.companies will hire you just because you're a woman You know, this does seem to be the opinion, and I had sort of thought so, too. But the study I found actually shows the opposite. My path has not been easy, not because of all those things you described, but simply because programming is not easy. I've had to learn C++, Java, Javascript, PHP, SQL, Allegro & Game development and design, Microsoft Project, data networking (and physically working with cables), fully functional website design & CSS… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 03:57 AM |
| 1 | Why RedPillers will simultaneously say it's easier to be a woman and that they wouldn't wave a magic wand and be a woman.OK, let's just disregard the college thing for a moment, and put the male & female on a level playing field. Both have college degrees and relatively equal experience. Which is the company more likely to hire? Here's a study: The experiment, done on both female and male hiring managers showed that when the hiring manager had no other information other than a candidate’s gender, they were twice as likely to hire a man than a woman, because they incorrectly believed that men are more talented in s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 03:01 AM |
| 1 | Why RedPillers will simultaneously say it's easier to be a woman and that they wouldn't wave a magic wand and be a woman.I see. Definition of "advantage" (Dictionary.com): any state, circumstance, opportunity, or means specially favorable to success, interest, or any desired end: the advantage of a good education. benefit; gain; profit: It will be to his advantage to learn Chinese before going to China. superiority or ascendancy (often followed by over or of): His height gave him an advantage over his opponent. a position of superiority (often followed by over or of): I mean, there being less men to compete agains… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 02:26 AM |
| 6 | Being a young straight white women is the easiest thing to be in the West in 2015What about the reasons behind these arguments? There are more scholarships for women in STEM because there are no women in STEM. Why is that? Do we really need to ENCOURAGE men into STEM? They seem to keep going into it on their own, without need of scholarship incentives. WHY DO courts favor women? Because granting a child to the father and having it be the wrong decision is usually worse than granting the child to the woman and having it be the wrong decision. I mean, if you dissect many of th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 02:17 AM |
| 3 | Why RedPillers will simultaneously say it's easier to be a woman and that they wouldn't wave a magic wand and be a woman.I haven't, I dropped out from Texas State University years back and went rogue for a while (partied a lot, worked in the alcohol industry, capitalized on my looks) (I'm sure RP would be quick to categorize this as "riding the CC") but I got my shit together ultimately and now I'm in my last semester of a computer programming associates. It's just from a technical college in South Carolina where I just moved from, but I'm pretty proud of it. It's not much comparatively to other people's success (… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 01:43 AM |
| 2 | Why RedPillers will simultaneously say it's easier to be a woman and that they wouldn't wave a magic wand and be a woman.Wait..are there really less men competing for STEM jobs than there are women? I don't have facts to back it up, but that doesn't sound right. I do agree that throughout my associates, my professors and classmates have been VERY helpful and nurturing towards me being successful (after of course all the typical comments about it being "refreshing to see a woman who loves to program"). I also know where to look for help (the internet!) and make sure to do so, and have noticed no discrimination betw… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 01:36 AM |
| 3 | Why RedPillers will simultaneously say it's easier to be a woman and that they wouldn't wave a magic wand and be a woman.It depends. Before I was born I probably wouldn't really have a clue what life is about or what I want out of it. Do I even want to go to college? Do I want to go into office and have political power, or join the military, or police force, or go into a male-dom career without having to confront and handle the emotional consequences? Do I want to be a housewife? What do I want? That's a pretty vague question. Would that factor influence it alone? I honestly don't think so. I guess in response to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 01:27 AM |
| 2 | Why RedPillers will simultaneously say it's easier to be a woman and that they wouldn't wave a magic wand and be a woman.real rejection What is real rejection? Just curious. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 01:20 AM |
| 1 | The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems.I would argue that scenario 2 in that situation is still manipulation by the definition because it still happened- the use of information present changed your feelings towards the situation regarding the outcome. You knew there were other people wanting to buy the car, so you would have felt pressure regardless of the salesman's behaviors (and the salesman made you aware that HE was aware of the other individual's intentions to purchase the car). I'm still not really sure what you mean I guess. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 12:40 AM |
| 3 | Why RedPillers will simultaneously say it's easier to be a woman and that they wouldn't wave a magic wand and be a woman.Why is getting a STEM job easier if you're a woman? Interested because I am about to graduate with my programming associates and thus will be one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 12:29 AM |
| 2 | The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems.Well, I agree that nobody is entitled to sex. Just because you're in a monogamous relationship with a person doesn't mean you are entitled to their body. Because how far could that go? Would you take it so far as to say you could treat them like shit and still demand use of their body? It's just a very odd phrasing which places malicious intent where hopefully there is none. But I don't think "deal with it" is the answer (and I don't see that being tossed around as the answer either...I frequent… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 12:13 AM |
| 1 | The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems.Let's just be reaaally literal and take it at the MW Dictionary definition. to use or change (numbers, information, etc.) in a skillful way or for a particular purpose SO yes, dread is manipulation, by dictionary definition, regardless of intent (for the sake of this post). So are MANY other things, I agree! Like using sex as a mood booster (which I would argue is positive manipulation) or watching a big action popcorn blockbuster to escape your mundane life for two hours. (I actually think, whe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/15 12:04 AM |
| 1 | The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems.doing them doesn't make him more attractive in itself We're not disagreeing we're just on different pages. I absolutely never said that it did. It's not the act that turns me on, no (do men think women get hot over the sight of them doing dishes?). It's the state of mind that I get in return for him being willing to do the act. He takes out the trash for me? -I mean, that's not going to turn me on, why would it? He's holding trash!- but the fact that he did it and I no longer have to do it makes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/15 11:55 PM |
| 1 | The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems.Most men enjoy being "manipulated" that way, IME So if the act of manipulation is a pleasant one, it makes the act itself more acceptable? if it is truly a "manipulation" tactic and not an authentic expression of attraction, Isn't that what dread is? there will likely come a time when that sword will cut the other direction, to the detriment of all involved. Yes | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/15 11:24 PM |
| 1 | The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems.men doing girly stuff I guess this part is confusing...do men not take out the trash if they live alone? Or buy things at the store? How is that "girly stuff?" her priorities shifted and her material desires took a front seat I don't really see that as being any shittier than a man dating a woman who is "chubbier" or uglier than he likes because the sex is good and she is fun (or he is desperate), but as his life progresses and confidence raises he decides/realizes he could get a "higher quality… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/15 11:19 PM |
| 2 | The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems.Tevya, his eyes opened to a whole new way of thinking about marriage, sing-asks his wife "Do you love me?", and she gives him all kinds of decidedly unromantic (by our way of thinking) answers. Like what? I actually enjoy the new paradigm for sexual/gender dynamics, but there is no denying that it has complicated things greatly. I'm a little confused now on what you're saying. Do you mean you wish to return to the days when it was more, Man Goes to Work and Woman Stays at Home & Cooks a Roast? O… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/15 11:12 PM |
| 2 | The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems.Yes, I didn't really mean confusion, I couldn't figure out how to say what I meant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/15 09:12 PM |
| 4 | Being a young straight white women is the easiest thing to be in the West in 2015We have to prove ourselves more than men that we're more than just a pretty face. At my old job, I had men straight tell me to my face they'd rather speak to a male associate and that I couldn't possibly know anything about A/V as a woman. It got me down sometimes but I just accepted it as being reality. They were there to flirt with me and diss their wives and spend money with me because they liked my personality/*face, me knowing what the hell I was talking about seemed either not to matter or… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/15 07:52 PM |
| 3 | The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems.Well me and my husband have never been in a dead bedroom or even come close. But that's because A. I love sex B. I love sex with him C. I want him to love sex with me and D. It makes us both in better moods (particularly him) and makes us happier. TRP talks about dread and game a lot. But isn't it true that a woman can manipulate a man on the base level purely by fulfilling his sexual needs, which is the one thing he desires from dread the most? My husband is FAR more likely to take out the tras… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/15 11:06 AM |
| 2 | The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems.Oh you mean specifically regarding sex issues and not ALL issues, I see. Wellll I agree and disagree. As a woman, I know I can be attracted to my partner but not in the mood for ANY sex (that doesn't normally happen unless I'm depressed and even then I'd probably still crave affection from him) but I know what that feeling IS. It does exist. The real problem though is that they don't do jack shit about it- the woman, not the man. So you're passive libido. So you don't crave sex till you're like,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/15 10:33 AM |
| 5 | The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems.I think when you get in a relationship you are basically guaranteeing monogamy which means giving up your right to have sex with other people and ONLY have sex with that other person - it's pretty uncool to agree to that and then take it away, IMO. I agree partly about /r/relationships that they jump to standard advice but I disagree that communication is useless (and also, a LOT of people need therapy! ). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/15 10:06 AM |
| 3 | The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems.But a lot of women believe that they only have to be those things for some man to come along and sweep her off her feet in marriage. They end up confused that it hasn't happened and instead men only want her for sex. I do agree with the ideal that we should take responsibility for ourselves. I don't think that's exclusively TRP- it's an age old value. I suppose that's why I'm here though. I'm not anything (though I do think some parts of TRP are shady to say the least) I'm interested in all thes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/15 07:14 AM |
| 2 | The population of this sub, the type of people it attracts, and the reasoning behind the ideas.So you believe a woman can't be purple? Seeing arguments from both side but (both positive and negative) but identifying with neither. None of this stuff affects my life in any way whatsoever but I think it's pretty interesting to read. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/15 02:30 AM |
| 2 | What do you think these "tactics" mean/entail?Monk mode: Pretending like everything you are doing is NOT because you're trying to slam woman (both slam them because they suck and slam them like sex) and instead it's to build character/physique/status for personal gain (that is somehow again not related to ultimately gaining women)- this is a good thing I think Dread game: Using manipulative tactics to incite fear of rejection into your partner to render them submissive to your will Get over LMR: This one, I actually don't know anything abou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/15 02:10 AM |
| 2 | The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems.Well there's no point in philosophically arguing the CONCEPT of reality- but for the purposes of this post, yes, that is Red Pill Reality, and Blue Pill Reality IS different- this is what I meant by my original post. To TRP, they aren't actively placing blame on women, they are just accepting Reality, but to TBP, it looks like placing blame because their Reality is not the same and to accept it would have a different meaning. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/15 12:05 AM |
| 6 | The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems.Agreed, and women are "lied to" in the same way. It can be a harsh reality for women that they DONT just have to sit around looking virginal and stunning and men will show up dying to sweep them off their feet and marry them. I think it's fair to say that these "lies" really do hold a big part in our initial beliefs, but beyond that, we need to take it upon ourselves to learn what the real world is actually like, and start having actual experiences- beyond that we can blame no one but ourselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/15 12:03 AM |
| 1 | The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems.Well, I think it's fair to base it off of "AWALT" for conversation's sake. So, woman are "like that," and that's Reality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/15 11:46 PM |
| 2 | The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems.I was consistently lied to about the nature of women Who is doing the lying though? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/15 11:37 PM |
| 1 | The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems.Charges that TRP encourages men to blame other people for their problems are ridiculous I think a lot of the confusion lies wherein TRP doesn't see "blame," they see "reality." So where BP might say, you are blaming women for your problems, what they mean is, where TRP just assumes that it is due to women's inherent nature that their problems have arisen, which to them is just a Fact, or Reality, to other people, looks like they are indirectly blaming women for the way things are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/15 11:28 PM |
| 7 | The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems.I've never seen advice telling people to just "deal with it" when their partner refuses to sleep with them or fulfill their need sexually (at least not in /r/relationships which I enjoy frequenting). Can you link an example? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/15 11:11 PM |
| 2 | The objectification of womenI can be, if I take the time. I think that's where the differences lie for me because I can easily see the difference in how I'm treated on my "off" days and on my "on" days. It's like to men, Makeup= HELLO wow must make excuse to talk to you No Makeup= invisible I wasn't trying to argue you though, I respect your right too! I didn't mean it to come across that way. You can probably just see I get passionate about it! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/15 12:35 AM |
| 2 | The objectification of womenYes it makes sense. I used to work as a promotional model, so I was literally working a job where I was making money to look pretty. In that instance, I understand being objectified- I basically volunteered for it, and it was fun. I wasn't trying to be taken seriously in that job. I've also worked in sales and I worked Audio/visual at Magnolia in best buy for two years. It was like night and day- at Magnolia, men would just assume I couldn't possibly know anything about TV's, audio engineering, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/15 12:19 AM |
| 2 | The objectification of womenHa, I was pretty ugly until 14 too! That's when I discovered hair straighteners (I have frizzy red hair) and contacts (glasses since birth basically) and makeup. I had had braces for a few years before that too. But I don't know what you mean about it giving you a different attitude towards sexuality? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/15 12:02 AM |
| 2 | The objectification of womenI guess it's more just that I don't feel like being treated (or seen as) sexually on some days when I feel like shit. So I kind of dress how I feel. Doesn't happen often, but if I was dressed & had makeup on but still felt shitty and some rando told me to "Smile", I'd pretty much want to beat his face in. Rando's don't get up in my business when I don't dress nice/putmakeup on. The intention is nice in their head I suppose, but misses the mark because it's like, you wouldn't be telling me to smi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/15 11:55 PM |
| 2 | The objectification of womenmy danger-flag goes up when strangers do it, regardless of how attractive they are Yep with you on that one. It doesn't matter if it's Brad Pitt or Steve Buscemi opposite ends of physical spectrum, I instantly tense up inside and the resulting feeling is always the same. You feel subtly violated (especially if you're just going about your day and doing absolutely nothing you considered to be sexual). Makes you kind of want to walk around in too-big clothes sometimes just to avoid it. I mean, on … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/15 11:48 PM |
| 2 | The objectification of womenYeah I mean it makes me feel sexy when my husband does it too and I like that he still desires me sexually. But we're married. When a stranger does it, it's different. The only requirement that seems to be being tossed around here for women to like it is that the man performing it is attractive, and I just don't think that's true, at least it's certainly not for me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/15 11:36 PM |
| 1 | The objectification of womenI suppose it's true then in those instances it's really a case by case basis. But the examples given elsewhere in this thread aren't really what went on there. He didn't grab her ass or otherwise insinuate that her body was the only thing pleasing to him and it exists to be as such. He used it as an In (sexy walk) but he also asked her questions about herself and her personality. I don't really consider that objectification. I guess now I'm just confused on what "objectification" means in regard… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/15 07:20 PM |
| 3 | The objectification of womenThe definition of objectify is to be treated like an object. Can you share an example you've seen of a man openly feasting on a woman's body like she's a buffet and she reciprocated positively? It might help me understand what you mean by saying women "like" it. Now, if you're talking about an attractive man (a friend not a stranger) I'm already engaged in conversation with, who slips in a compliment about noticing my efforts at the gym are paying off, sure that's going to make me feel great. If… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/15 06:41 PM |
| 4 | The objectification of womenWhat * woman gladly takes objectification from anyone? The fact is, ANY man performing this behavior is instantly unattractive to a woman and that doesn't even take in to account the disgust she feels. At least, I've never seen it happen. Perhaps our definitions of objectification are different. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/15 06:20 PM |
| 19 | The objectification of womenI had my ass grabbed in a crowded club once (the only time that's ever happened in my life) and I was shocked and stunned. I turned to look at the guy and he had this grin on his face like he was pleased with himself. I always thought in that situation I'd not be like girls you hear about who do nothing and stand up for myself...but I was too shocked. Instead I walked away and nearly crying, told my husband. He wanted to kick the guy's ass but he was the bigger man and instead told the bouncer a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/15 04:29 AM |
| 6 | What turns women on?do men who read turn you on? I mean, that alone is not really going to turn me on, no. It's a positive quality but not exactly a panty dropper. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/15 09:57 PM |
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