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I don't disagree with what you said at all. From an outsider, I definitely get the feeling that this sub often times feels 'anti-feminist' as if it's the source of their problems, rather than the more accurate view that these issues have been around for a long long long time. Pre-dating feminist movements in some cases even. I'm more closely aligned with some feminist views, but I also fully support the eradication of alimony and some other things that I feel are unequal (such as the mother havi…
/r/MensRights17/10/22 05:04 PM
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I'm asking this because I'm curious, but how do you figure? Like, are there videos of well known women in power saying this kind of stuff? Perhaps it's my social bubble, or circle, but I've seen much of the opposite of this kinda stuff from women. So I'm trying to see outside of my bubble, and if you have anything to share, I'd love to see/read about it.
/r/MensRights17/10/22 04:59 PM
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Indeed. And personally speaking, it feels like people like this are the ones who should be seen as more of 'antithesis' to the MRA movement. Sure there might be some women out there who are a little crazy and anti-man, but these are the people who are often in power who are pushing stupid fucking narratives and roles that seem to be preventing change. (Again, at least in my opinion)
/r/MensRights17/10/22 04:51 PM
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He's kinda stating that 'men shouldn't cry'. I've seen posts on here about how men are often told to be emotionally stoic and not allowed to feel and how people on here have a problem with that. And so, I'm curious to hear from people when it's someone like this who's pushing the narrative that 'men need to be stoic'.
/r/MensRights17/10/22 04:49 PM
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I'm a casually follower of this sub, and I find myself a little stunned sometimes at how feminists tend to get blamed (in my opinion, a little unjustly) for a lot of the issues you guys like to talk about here. I found this video on a different subreddit, and thought it would be an interesting point to talk about. What do you guys do about men like this? Because I'll be honest, I see more men talking like this than I see feminists. Men like this are the ones pushing the stereotypes that y'all se…
/r/MensRights17/10/22 04:46 PM
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Okay troll. Thanks for showing you literally don't know anything.
/r/MensRights27/09/22 01:55 AM
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Shit, you're right. It's Saudi. In either case, women in both countries don't have the same rights as men.
/r/MensRights27/09/22 01:54 AM
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OP is a troll.
/r/MensRights27/09/22 01:53 AM
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OP: I'm going to try to give you the benefit of the doubt here. Women out there have very very few rights. Being outside without a male guardian is a crime. The fact that they're protesting at all, is a big deal. You may have issues with feminists in the West, but what's going on in Iran is not the same. Two different situations entirely. I would urge to you perhaps put away your prejudices or feelings towards feminism in the West, and look at what's going on in Iran separately.
/r/MensRights26/09/22 09:01 PM
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I would argue that they were liberal, but they're not as liberal as today's kids are. Hell most of those kids were growing up in a time when non-white folks were seen as inferior to white folks, and interracial marriage wasn't a thing, and religion still dominated society. Today's kids are way more fluid, less-religious and rejecting of traditional gender roles (whether or not you think that's cool, is a different story). I think with that will come a complete re-understanding of gender roles in…
/r/MensRights06/05/22 04:27 PM
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Some folks will inevitably change their mind as they grow older, sure. But, the younger generation are way more liberal, way more against "old ways" of thinking. There's going to be too many of them to stop these kinds of things from changing in the future. As for now, yeah it sucks because conservative/traditional thinking men are pushing that bad view of mental stigmas on other men and it's really damaging for some. But hopefully in time, it changes.
/r/MensRights06/05/22 03:16 PM
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I'm pretty sure that a lot of "feminists" and other people who are more progressive agree with your thoughts. Men have feelings too, men should be free to express it in a healthy way. Too many times I see conservative men/women who are so entrenched in their old views that they're the ones propagating the "men need to be tough" mindset. The good news is that the younger/progessive folks are pushing against this old and awful narrative.
/r/MensRights06/05/22 01:36 AM
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I can't speak to your experiences, but I can say that out here in liberal ass LA, most of the feminists here are on board with 'not forcing a father to be a father'. From what I've heard from other friends (mainly in the south), it's the conservative women there who want to 'tie men down' after getting pregnant. So for what it's worth, I would say that the pro-choice side is closer to your ally than you think.
/r/MensRights04/05/22 04:36 AM
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If you think that you're going to get the right to 'leave a pregnancy' as a man after this ruling, you're mistaken. True equality will be when both men and women are able to choose not be parents. The same religious fanatics obsessed with ending abortions, are not going to allow men to 'walk away' from being fathers. So, yes, this was a step backwards for you too.
/r/MensRights03/05/22 08:42 PM
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Men should have the right to not be a father. Women should have the right to not be a mother. Period. Today's leak is a step backwards for all.
/r/MensRights03/05/22 06:19 PM
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Nailed it. Feminism is not a zero-sum game where women succeed and men fail. The MRA (IMO) has a faction that really does want to promote men's rights that feminists maybe don't quite champion as hard as other things. However, there is definitely a faction of MRA who are part of it, simply as a reaction to feminism growing in popularity and being anti-feminists. The first group I'm cool with, because they're FOR something, rather than ANTI something. Because again, feminism is not a zero-sum gam…
/r/MensRights09/11/21 10:19 PM
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Why separate it? Just leave it open and push for both. Women want the right to choose, so do men. Why not cast a wide net and invite all to the party?
/r/MensRights29/09/21 08:13 PM
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Whatever can prove consent in a court of law. I'll leave that for the courts to decide, but whatever is clearly obvious that the dad was in at some point. Like I could see the father-to-be taking fertility tests count as evidence that he was down to have a kid.
/r/MensRights29/09/21 05:12 PM
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I understand both points. Because from a feminist perspective, yes, worrying about reproductive rights for women IS their top priority, because once they have that secured, then they can focus on those other things. But until then, that IS their number one thing they're fighting for. So while they may support men's issues like that in theory, they don't have the bandwidth to fight for that AND fight for the right to choose what to do with their bodies. I think this sub often forgets that women h…
/r/MensRights29/09/21 05:09 PM
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I'm onboard with a lot of the feminist ideology and I think that everyone needs choice. Society is better and safer when everyone has the right to choose when they want to become parents. Including women, and including men.
/r/MensRights29/09/21 05:03 PM
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#MyLifeMyChoice. Applies to both men and women, and hey, maybe both sides can agree that both sides need a choice. Women shouldn't have to be parents if they don't want to, and neither should men. Planned parenthood for all! :D
/r/MensRights29/09/21 04:48 PM
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Let's just go all the way, and say the government can't force anyone to be parents. Women can abort if they want, men by default should not forced to be fathers. The exception being unless both sides had previously agreed to trying to start a family, and then one side bails after the child is born. But until that point, if either side wants to bail, they should be free to do so. I don't think this is rocket science.
/r/MensRights29/09/21 03:55 PM
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I'm sorry, but what does this have to do with feminism and/or men's rights? The article is pointing out that more educated women are opting to not be married. And that single men over 30 are at 50% unmarried, and that single women over 30 are at 33% unmarried. There are so many possible reasons for this. For starters: https://www.statista.com/statistics/642502/south-korea-sex-ratio-age-group/ There are just more men, 106 to 100 females in Korea, so even if you paired up every single male, there …
/r/MensRights29/09/21 03:46 PM
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This. Not all women are feminists, and there are a lot more non-feminist women out there than there are feminist women.
/r/MensRights24/09/21 02:23 PM
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Any policy which isn't fair is bad, I can agree with that. I don't want Texas to make rules about what women can and can't do with their bodies, any more than I like the idea that a man has to be responsible for a child when he has no intention on being a father and is just looking for a night of fucking. Both are archaic policies that need to be replaced. I think one of the problems this sub has is the idea that feminism is in direct contrast to the goals of this subreddit, and vice versa. Ther…
/r/MensRights23/09/21 06:42 PM
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You post what you want, friend. I'm just saying, if your goal is to actually make changes, I would focus on what I mentioned above and not 'pat on the backs'. Otherwise, then it's hard to take you guys seriously as anything beyond a forum to circle jerk and post 'woe is me' content. And again, I believe that there are legitimate holes in society where you guys could make strides. I'm pro-choice and I think that men the idea that men has to be tied to a child because he fucked a chick one time is…
/r/MensRights23/09/21 06:37 PM
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If that's the case, then it's not clear to most people and comes off as a little bit of a circle-jerk. And if the goal of the subreddit is to help bring more light to these issues, then make it more clear to get the average joes on board. For what it's worth, if this article was talking about women, and the sentence provided context about how many elderly women are affected, then it makes sense that they would include 43% women. I would have no problem with it if it was the other way around, whe…
/r/MensRights23/09/21 05:49 PM
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I'm one for equality. I approve most of the feminist message, and I approve of plenty of the things brought up on this subreddit. However, these types of post come off as incredibly, incredibly petty and almost trying to 'play the victim'. These posts and ones that border on the edge of 'incel'-y are the ones that really hold the subreddit back. I would highly encourage the subreddit to try to score less of these 'self-pat on the back' posts, and focus on issues that will really make change. Tal…
/r/MensRights23/09/21 05:46 PM
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That's not my argument (though that's a great point to talk about for another time). Your title literally says "Women most affected", when that's not what the sentence reads.
/r/MensRights23/09/21 03:30 PM
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... Guys? Come on now, is this what the subreddit is about now? Getting mad about a poorly written sentence with no context? "The majority of breakthrough cases were in elderly people." That's the majority they're talking about. They then add that 43% of those elderly people, are women. Stop trying to play the victim guys. Isn't that what you guys dislike about the feminist movement? Cause you guys are literally doing that with this post right now.
/r/MensRights23/09/21 03:06 PM
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I would ask how many of you have taken classes where they talk about feminism and it's role in society. I would ask how many of you talk to women and men who are ACTUAL feminists (and not people on the internet who say they're feminists). There is a grave misunderstanding on this subreddit of what a feminist is. A lot of people here seem to think it's something it's not, and I honestly would ask that some of you reach out in an unbiased way to more feminists to see how many similarities there ar…
/r/MensRights06/09/21 05:23 PM
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You are confusing women with feminists. Don't know what to tell ya, but no, I'm not. The people that have cared are usually the ones who are into the Kardashians and other people who I would say don't think critically and are still stuck in the old mindset of 'cut = good'. Those that do not care, are usually more aligned with aspects of feminism. ​ Do you have any sources for this? Should I get a direct quote from my feminist girlfriend, or some of my feminist friends? Or, how did you want me to…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 03:58 PM
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I think you're mistaken about feminists and circumcision. Yes, some women do like/prefer it that way, but I'm not circumcised (yay!) and literally no one has made it an issue. Most women don't care, and those that do, generally aren't feminists. Also, I'm mostly onboard with the feminist movement, but I think that men absolutely should have a right to walk away from a pregnancy. If she gets a choice to keep, he should too to walk away. The government shouldn't make ANYONE be a parent if they don…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 12:15 AM
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Something that I think OP misses out on is the fact that while yes we're all supposed to have equal rights (for the most part), the problem that feminists have is that society tends to not have equal APPLICATION of the law. MRA folks want equal application in things like the draft, prison sentencing, and a choice of their own after conception (the right to opt-out for example). Feminists also want equal application for things too ) "my body, my choice" in Texas for example). Both sides want to b…
/r/MensRights02/09/21 11:48 PM
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Never thought about that, but yeah, I think that checks out actually.
/r/MensRights02/09/21 06:49 PM
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And I think that's the problem with most 'groups'. It's much easier for people to be against the most radical/crazy members of said group. Just as antifa does not represent 99% of the left, and proud boys don't represent people on the right, most of the crazy feminist stuff that the MRA movement likes to rail against is not in line with most every day feminists. As I'm sure that most MRA folks are not woman haters or whatever else people think. I have said it before, there's common ground betwee…
/r/MensRights02/09/21 06:36 PM
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Like most everything in life, the right answer is not found on either side, but somewhere in the middle. I'm like 80% a feminist, but there's also some things that I agree with this subreddit on. And believe it or not, there are some women/feminists who would agree with what I said too. Admittedly it's not high on the priority list for most, since they understandably have to deal with issues revolving around #MeToo and what not. But still, there are people who want to do away with obligations to…
/r/MensRights02/09/21 06:12 PM
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Yeah. I align with many feministic views, but also, I think it's absolutely silly that men have to be obligated to support a child if he doesn't want to be part of it's life. That's HIS choice.
/r/MensRights02/09/21 06:03 PM
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The state should not get in the way of anyone's decision to be a parent. Women should have a right to abort or keep it, and men should have the same right to not be involved with the child if they so choose. The government shouldn't be tying men or women down because they were horny fuckers. Why are we still living in the 18th century with these things.
/r/MensRights02/09/21 05:57 PM
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Yeah, having someone in your corner, having a shoulder to cry on, having someone motivate you, bounce ideas off of, etc, is invaluable. 50/50 split is fair, and I would see it as fair if it was reversed gendered too.
/r/MensRights27/08/21 12:49 AM
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And that's a shitty life for those men, and I as a male feel for them too. What the Taliban has plans to do, sucks for men and women. However, ask yourself this question. If you HAD to live under their rule, would you rather live there as a man, or woman? 1000%, I'd pick being a man under their rule. And I think that's why the media attention is a little more focused on women. It's not saying that life isn't gonna suck for men too. It's just that it's gonna suck EXTRA HARD for women. It's gonna …
/r/MensRights20/08/21 11:00 PM
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But men will still get AN education. And no one's shooting them for that. Also no one has to accompany men to go outside, men get a chance to be in most jobs, etc. Women are basically told, 'stay home' and that's it. Like, of course there will be revenge killings and the Taliban will kill people who rise up, both men and women. But I hope you do realize that women WILL get it worse in every day life.
/r/MensRights20/08/21 04:36 PM
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I appreciate you taking the time to write back. I again think that you make some fair points, however, the one thing that I do not see (but doesn't mean doesn't happen) is the attitude towards men that you and others on here describe. Yes, there are some unfair things men have to deal with, in the same way that there are some unfair things women have to deal with. But I have talked to many feminists as I've talked to other MRA folks, and what/how feminists talk about their issues are very much d…
/r/MensRights19/08/21 03:38 AM
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Both will lose their lives. You realize the Taliban supports honor killings right? Also, remember Malala? She got shot for having an education. Or all the women who get acid thrown on their face for being seen as misbehaved. Both men and women will die for no reason, but men are not being killed for going to school.
/r/MensRights18/08/21 04:51 PM
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So, I went through the link (thank you by the way), and I again do not believe this is representative of the feminist movement. Yes, there are one off quirks, like the rape example in Israel. But does that suddenly mean that all feminists believe that delay in vote that happened in Israel 11 years ago is part of their doctrine now? No. Feminism does not have a singular doctrine. Rather the way I interpret the movement is a collection of women who point out the injustices in the system that they'…
/r/MensRights18/08/21 04:49 PM
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I can respect that you believe that there shouldn't be a 'double standard' here, and to an extent I agree. All of these lives are in danger. If you are against the Taliban, you're gonna have a bad time whether you're male or female. I think we can agree that the Taliban have it out extra against women in general, and so while again all lives are in danger, women are at a slightly greater risk IMO.
/r/MensRights18/08/21 04:36 PM
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Honest to goodness question here, are you judging the entirety of the feminist movement based on a single reddit post? Like, this person doesn't represent all feminists. Hell, how do you even know she's a feminist and not some dude pretending to be a guy? Or literally what if she's just a dunce and doesn't subscribe to any beliefs? Just a strange hill to die on, from this outsider's perspective. Can I give a word of advice to the folks here? Stop making this a zero sum game. Not all feminists be…
/r/MensRights17/08/21 10:08 PM
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If I can jump in here, I'm seeing plenty of feminists AND people in general who are saddened for the wave of the loss of rights that are about to happen to women in Afghanistan. This is a horrible overall situation, and I think that just about everyone feels for the country. But if you're not seeing feminists talk about it, then you may be searching in the wrong places. I did a google search for "feminist twitter accounts" and found a few and they all seem to be talking about the women in Afghan…
/r/MensRights17/08/21 04:00 PM
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No one "should also give" anyone anything. Neither you to her, nor her to you. Sexual relationships, are just that, relationships. There's give and there's take. If either side is doing too much of one or the other, then there's generally an issue there (UNLESS that's part of some previously agreed upon dynamic).
/r/MensRights17/08/21 07:26 AM
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Speaking as a dude, it's mostly dudes who care about dick sizes. Most women would rather have a guy who knows how to use what he was given. Especially if you pair it with oral skills or with other toys. Women, just like men, like more pleasure when possible. So if you're fucking her, AND have a toy, and can occasionally eat her out, 99.9% of women are going to be more than satisfied with that. The porn industry makes men believe that big dicks are needed, and that women need to be petite and bus…
/r/MensRights17/08/21 06:32 AM
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I hadn't heard anything about that second part. Have any articles I can read up on?
/r/MensRights07/07/19 04:30 PM
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When was this research/paper done? I'll be honest that kind of thought feels like a pre-2015 thought, and I do feel that lately more people are open to the fact that yes men CAN be raped too. Especially post #MeToo and Terry Crews being open with his experiences.
/r/MensRights07/07/19 04:29 PM
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I don't think that's accurate. Most feminists I know would actually reach out, would listen, would care about someone being strong enough to talk about their abuse. Not saying that there aren't some who would say something like, "you're a man, you should have fought it off", but that's got to be <1% of them. I'm a feminist and I've heard some stories from my male friends and I treat them exactly like I do the women. Assault is assault, regardless of sex/gender. So to all who see this who've been…
/r/MensRights07/07/19 03:19 PM
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Didn't both Kevin Spacey's accuser and Terry Crews come out didn't the #MeToo movement? I never felt that #MeToo was for feminists, it felt like it was for everyone.
/r/MensRights07/07/19 03:14 PM
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Coming in peace. Let me just say before I ask my question, I've posted here before and tried to have good conversations with y'all, and I appreciate those who debate with me in good faith. Okay here goes. To start, I'm a feminist, and I think changing the name to Humans in Black would be a stupid idea. That being said, I don't think it's a crime for her to ponder the idea. Something that does interest me is IF some exec said "Yes, let's change the name.", a lot of you feel that it's an "anti-man…
/r/MensRights14/06/19 03:14 AM
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No, I'm familiar. For the record I was talking more throughout human history, and not necessarily just in the United States. But I get your point, women did have SOME power (although it took basically women around the country to band together to get change to occur) in the 1800s but most of it was, informal and not officially given to them nationwide until years later during the 1900s.
/r/MensRights04/06/19 10:45 PM
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Nope! Definitely didn't mean to imply anything, as I mentioned I'm trying to understand, so apologies if that came off rudely. Something I hope you don't mind if I ask regarding your second point, is that while women were not allowed to vote, they also weren't really making decisions in society as a whole. So the fact that men 'were charged with protecting and providing for women' wasn't really something women had a say in? I'd almost argue that men made those rules for other men. So with that i…
/r/MensRights04/06/19 07:25 PM
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I still disagree based on other stuff I've read, and other statistics, but hey, I'm open to being shown I'm wrong, can you cite other evidence or articles that show your point? "Most feminists don't care." I feel that's a broad strokes take on it. If anything I feel like the messaging is wrong from this camp. Quotas are fine when things are out of balance (in my opinion), but of course like anything, it can be taken to some questionable places. I think overall quotas have been good, but there's …
/r/MensRights04/06/19 05:29 AM
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Again, ehh, in theory that'd be great, but I don' think society is there yet. This is probably a point we'll disagree on, and that's okay. No one can agree on everything. :] Fair. Again, this is kinda sticky. Because women are at home working to raise kids, of course men are going to be the ones paying for and owning their houses. While I agree that obviously, ideally cooler heads should prevail, sometimes it won't always. Shouldn't the aggressor in all situations be removed temporarily, whether…
/r/MensRights04/06/19 04:39 AM
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Not an un-reasonable request in my view. I think that's also a fair request. So long as both parents are good standing members of society, then yeah why not give them equal time? Would you be in favor of just abolishing the draft altogether? I'm a man, and I'd rather just not see it happen period. Might disagree with you there, I think there is definitely a wage gap in some aspects, but I think that the goal is equality for all, so I'm not like raging about this point. Again, agreed. Equal time …
/r/MensRights04/06/19 04:25 AM
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I think that it's a fair question. I do feel that obviously not all men have privileges, and I understand that if you're one of those men, hearing about how there's male privilege can be frustrating, especially if you're dealing with inequalities in your life. That being said, would we agree that at points throughout history a majority of women WERE in fact treated as second class citizens? Whether or not that's still the case is obviously debateable (and honestly I'm not super interested in deb…
/r/MensRights04/06/19 03:47 AM
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Yep!
/r/MensRights04/06/19 03:31 AM
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Take away women's vote, in general? Then no, I'd disagree with you. Give the kids to the husband in the event of divorce? If it's good for the kids, why not. I don't think there should be a "default" parent it's assigned to, just have it depend on the situation. It shouldn't always be the mom, and shouldn't always be the dad. Whatever's best for the kids. (Also, I'm giving my honest opinions, if someone can explain to me why what I suggested isn't a good idea, please do! I'm actually reaching ou…
/r/MensRights04/06/19 03:12 AM
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I think I can agree with this. Everyone wants equality and I'm all for it :) Thanks for your reply! I appreciate it.
/r/MensRights04/06/19 02:43 AM
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Not really? I think you guys have issues that are valid, just as they do. These issues here honestly are valid ones that I'm actually interested in hearing what you guys propose to fix some of these problems. I don't think MensRights issues are incompatible with Feminist issues. Not really a zero sum game if both sides are looking for equality, ya know?
/r/MensRights04/06/19 02:28 AM
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I don't know the user personally, but I don't like to listen to the nosiest of any group. Instead I try to listen to the messages that the group in general are after. And the consensus I've seen is that everyone in this subreddit and /r/feminism all want more equality for their faction and I'm all for that. Every side has their... eccentric personalities, but I'm more interested in talking to the folks on the ground floor and less the leaders. I've talked to a lot of feminist women and I underst…
/r/MensRights04/06/19 02:14 AM
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If I can engage here, I think everyone hates false rape accusations. I think people also hate rape in general. No reason there can't be a point of agreement on both sides. Most women I've talked to just want justice for those who break the law, as I'm sure you do too. Again, it's why I think there's a lot more in common between the two groups. And I hope to learn more for you guys, as much as I've learned for women and their plight.
/r/MensRights04/06/19 02:04 AM
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Lol, no no. Like, I'm not trying to do that kinda stuff. Been subbed for a bit cause I do like to be pretty well informed of issues on "both sides", if you will. I'm actually on board with you guys with the whole custody rights and parenting issues. I do feel like it's a bit antiquated and definitely needs to be revisited as I'm sure some of you agree with parts of issues that feminists fight for but maybe not everything they say. But no yeah, very interested in hearing suggestions and your thou…
/r/MensRights04/06/19 01:43 AM
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Hey folks, I'm someone who believes in a lot of feminist causes and I saw this and I wanted to engage with you guys, in peace. My first reaction to seeing this is asking what you guys suggest we do about the topics you're presenting? Again, coming in peace and I believe that just as women have issues that are unfair to them, men too have issues that are unfair to them and it's definitely worth listening to. I don't think it's all a zero-sum game and I'm interested to hear what y'all have to say!…
/r/MensRights04/06/19 01:32 AM
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Of course, I realize it's a huge long shot, since he'd need to get all Republicans to fall in line and approve a pro-life judge, and get a second one on there somehow as well (before Democrats take back the Senate in two years). And even then, you're right, someone needs to get a challenge all the way up to the Supreme Court and then the court needs to take it AND then overrule themselves. "Women still have the option to terminate their parental duties before birth where men don't." Sums it up n…
/r/MensRights16/11/16 06:53 PM
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I hope it never does get overturned. But if you've been listening to Trump, it sounds like he's actively trying to get SCOTUS to overturn Roe v. Wade, and will nominate people who want it overturned. Now of course, there are still Senate hearings to be had, and Democrats control 49 votes, so I'm not freaking out about it just yet. But the potential is still there, and so with that in mind, I brought up the question.
/r/MensRights16/11/16 03:12 PM
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This brings up a question I hope some of you might be able to answer. It sounds like women didn't like her "form of feminism". I wonder, are there forms of feminism or parts of the feminist ideology that the MRM agrees with? I wouldn't call myself an MRM member, but there are some points that you guys bring up that I think you guys are right about. Does that kind of thinking apply to some of your guys' view of feminism? Or to you guys, is it all bad?
/r/MensRights16/11/16 03:03 AM
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Do we agree that the idea is good, but that implementation is bad? I see an awful lot of jokes here about "good thing I last only 9 minutes" and I can't tell if you guys are just dicking around or not. So, good idea, bad implementation?
/r/MensRights15/10/15 09:18 PM
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Oh, without a doubt that's the problem. My girlfriend's a feminist, and one of my other long-time female friends isn't, but I can converse with both and they A) are always respectful, and B) agree on a lot of things. Just like with religious folks, if people came together about the stuff that they agree on, the world would be so much better off.
/r/MensRights26/08/15 05:35 PM
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I know this might sound shocking, but most feminists would agree with this line of thinking. It's remarkable how much feminists and MRAs have in common. It's just that the two sides can't agree on a few things that could unite the two sides into actually making changes.
/r/MensRights26/08/15 04:53 PM
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I think that's fair. But what happens after the child is born and the father (or mother) decides to leave. Does the party that left need to pay financially?
/r/MensRights15/08/15 06:51 PM
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Who said that? If the man leaves the family, he should pay. If the woman leaves the family, she should pay. Just make it fair. Having the option for a "financial abortion" would be horrible. People would rather get pirated movies, pirated software, cheap everything, if it could save them a buck. If people had the option to just leave families and never pay, I think that would be catastrophic. Suppose your wife one day just leaves you with the kid one day, wouldn't you think it's fair for her to …
/r/MensRights15/08/15 05:48 PM
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Let's be honest, how many would be dads out there would pay anything after knocking up a woman? I think whoever is supporting the kid should be compensated, but fairly of course.
/r/MensRights15/08/15 05:36 PM
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Out of curiosity, are you giving your opinion or do you have sources? It's a lot of "they also think", how do you know?
/r/MensRights18/03/15 04:14 AM
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Yes, I believe that both movements should have a say in issues that involve both men and women. Just like men have no say in the abortion debate, any male-only issue should only be really involve other men. Anything that is a both-gender issue, will likely have a say from both groups. You know, I think a big big big misconception is that feminists hate men. They don't. Any all that "YesAllWomen" twitter thing, is coming off as man-hating. But you have to see it from their POV. They believe that …
/r/MensRights29/05/14 08:02 PM
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I believed it because I had heard it from other people, the news, social media, etc. I decided that I needed to found out what's what on my own, because I know that hearing things from one source, and one source only is dangerous and is not a good thing. After which, I came to my own conclusions after doing so. And the conclusion is that yes, the MRM/MRA has a few legitimate complaints and issues, some that I believe feminism already covers, others that they don't. And I don't believe that the U…
/r/MensRights29/05/14 06:06 AM
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I actually think that if the MRM wants to be taken seriously, you guys need to do this. Yes, it's annoying, but right now when a feminist hears MRM, or MRA, they think 'entitled, privileged men'. And when the UCSB killer had his video, which came off as a man who felt he was entitled to women and sex, people naturally put him and the MRA together. ^<sup>Hell,</sup> ^<sup>two</sup> ^<sup>days</sup> ^<sup>ago,</sup> ^<sup>I</sup> ^<sup>believed</sup> ^<sup>the</sup> ^<sup>same</sup> ^<sup>thing.</…
/r/MensRights28/05/14 10:46 PM
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Indeed.
/r/MensRights28/05/14 10:16 PM
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Can I interject here? I am surrounded by feminists a lot, I wouldn't consider myself feminist, but I definitely am sympathetic to their cause (note: I am a man). I was okay with the #yesallwomen tag, because you know what, let them have their empowerment hashtag. Let them rally, let them feel that they aren't alone in the same way that everyone here rallies together. However, I will ALWAYS, ALWAYS put my foot down when I'm on Tumblr or Twitter and see anything that says, kill your local rapist, …
/r/MensRights28/05/14 09:49 PM
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A lot of these things seem like issues that both sexes feel and need to fix, no? What do you mean by, "teach women to view men as romantic/sexual equals"? I've never heard anything about that before. (I'm not trying to flamebait, attack or anything, I've just never heard any of that before, and I'm curious)
/r/MensRights28/05/14 09:39 PM
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What makes you feel like an outsider, out of curiosity?
/r/MensRights28/05/14 09:27 PM
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Thank you for your time.
/r/MensRights28/05/14 09:17 PM
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If your mind is truly that narrow and sees the world in that way, then I'm sorry that's how you are. But I again ask you, have you ever talked to a feminist in the way that I am talking to you? And my god, you're incredibly thick. I'm a man, why on earth would I be anti-man? I like my privileges, I like my life, why would I want to destroy that?
/r/MensRights28/05/14 09:12 PM
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Man, you must know me better than I know myself! You claim to know me so so well. Why even argue with someone like you if you are already so so right and so stuck in your world view? I am not a bigot, and honestly if you're trying to convince someone to see things your way, attacking them and calling them names is NEVER going to get your goals accomplished. Honestly, if you want to keep discussing things let's do so, but only if you're going to be open minded, and respectful because otherwise, w…
/r/MensRights28/05/14 09:10 PM
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If you, me, and a friend had $10 each, and our other friend Johnny had $8, and I decided to give him $1, am I bein>No "civil rights bills" discriminate that way. Just feminist hate laws. Discrimination is unconstitutional under the 14th amendment. In any case female victims were and remain far FAR better off than male victims, not the reverse as you suggest. You are a hate monger. Sex segreationism? Of course not You just endorsed sex segregationism. You just endorsed VAWA and it's denial of ser…
/r/MensRights28/05/14 08:59 PM
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Again, you are not understanding the purpose of that law. I've already stated what I think the difference is between your view of that law, and my view. We can keep discussing until the end of time, and you're going to keep your view that the VAWA is anti-men, whereas I see it as for-women as a way to right the wrongs of the past. So, if you would like to discuss something else, I'm all ears. But if not, it seems that we will agree to disagree on the role of the VAWA. And that's okay, we can't a…
/r/MensRights28/05/14 08:44 PM
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Yep. That's me. I am a hate monger. Trying to understand, discuss, and better know the MRM movement. You'd be surprised how much I've changed my mind since making this post. You see, I thought the MRM was nothing more than a re-action to the feminist movement. What I've discovered is that that's not necessarily the case (although, with you, I'm wrong about that, you seem to be the hateful one here), that in fact, there are some issues that I believe the MRM has very valid points to. And I'm glad…
/r/MensRights28/05/14 08:23 PM
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Sex segreationism? Of course not, I see the VAWA in the same light as I do other civil rights bills. You need to have them because there was an imbalance in the system, and you needed some legislation in order to right that wrong. Now, is the VAWA perfect? Of course not, there is no such thing as a perfect bill. But has the VAWA done it's job, which is to prevent more and punish further violence against women? I believe so. Could the next VAWA be more general and just be about Violence Against A…
/r/MensRights28/05/14 08:13 PM
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I think you're looking at it all wrong. The bill here, was specifically about Violence Against Women. Why would a bill for WOMEN, provide funding for MEN? That's like giving tax breaks to electric car companies and then having the gas car companies complain that they can't have any of that. I don't think ANY feminist that I've ever met has been against male victims of domestic violence. In fact, they are aware that they exist, and they are sympathetic to them, especially those in the LGBT commun…
/r/MensRights28/05/14 07:40 PM
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Can you provide me with an example?
/r/MensRights28/05/14 07:10 PM
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I would think so. And I hope that's what both sides want.
/r/MensRights28/05/14 06:34 AM
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sigh. Feminists don't hate men.
/r/MensRights28/05/14 06:20 AM
2

Most power and wealth in the world, is owned by men. So to say that men have the power, is true, in a way. True, 99.95% of men and women, hold no real power or wealth, but for those that do have power, it's a majority of men, and thus, men shape the world. That much is true, and hard to argue otherwise. I see what you're saying. Now, are you fighting for just men who are powerless in those situations or all people in powerless situations? I think selective service is a joke. It should not exist.…
/r/MensRights28/05/14 06:08 AM
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Me? Specifically? I don't have power. But men in general. We control the media, we control the goverment, we control the businesses, we control the wealth. I don't deny that being a man is (in general) more awesome than being a woman. I can go out at night without fear, I don't have to worry about a woman raping me (in fact, I worry more about a man raping me), I don't have to worry about being stalked by a woman at night. I have never once feared for my life like that. While it may not be power…
/r/MensRights28/05/14 04:30 AM
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Okay, I read your comment and I had to stop and think. So here's my (hopefully) well thought response. Firstly, by saying you're not that knowledgeable about 'real' feminism, almost makes what you've heard from internet feminists, a bit biased, no? Or at least misinformed. But okay, let's accept what you're saying. I've noticed from reading feminist articles, and feminst blogs, etc that before the women (and even men) became feminists, they seemed to almost 'be part of the matrix'. They didn't k…
/r/MensRights28/05/14 03:52 AM
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Okay, so some yes, some no. Fair enough. So it's a societal thing, that both men and women are at fault at. See, that's something that I hadn't thought of, and the thing that most people think of when they see Mens Rights Movement is that they're very anti-women. I feel that if the MRM wants to gain some traction, they should be more vocal about how both men and women are the problem. Just my two cents.
/r/MensRights28/05/14 03:40 AM
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So, in your eyes, feminism has nothing to do with the issues men are having? This is something cause by men? If so, I can agree to that. Fair, but it sounds like from what you posted, men have it worse, and if they have it worse, then the logical answer would be the women have it better.
/r/MensRights28/05/14 02:53 AM
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We SHOULD study that, I agree. But the theory that 'females in general value sitting still and going along with the group' seems like utter BS. And that's coming from someone who's been around schools a lot. Now, this issue, how is this a "Men's Rights" issue though? It's boys we're talking about. And if we're dealing with school issues, what about the fact that women are struggling in sciences and almost don't exist in those fields? Is that an issue that the MRA looks at?
/r/MensRights28/05/14 02:50 AM
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The "girl power" programs. And the AAUW part.
/r/MensRights28/05/14 02:47 AM
1

I didn't expect this to be a woman-bashing subreddit, but I did expect a little resistance and a little bashing here and there, but for the most part, it's been very civil and I thank you and others for that.
/r/MensRights28/05/14 02:47 AM
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No you're right. I was trying to understand if that's the difference between MRA and Feminism?
/r/MensRights28/05/14 02:25 AM
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Thanks, time for me to subscribe to that too.
/r/MensRights28/05/14 02:24 AM
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I don't know about that at all. I have spent my life around teachers, my dad's a teacher, I have two male friends who are teachers, my girlfriend is a year away from being a teacher, and I worked at a middle school where I was constantly talking to teachers, principals, other staff, and I never once, heard what you're saying. In fact, it's the opposite, the school I worked at, the teachers and staff were STRUGGLING to get males to pass math, they were trying so hard, they tried male teachers, fe…
/r/MensRights28/05/14 02:19 AM
1

I'm not quite sure I understand this, could you elaborate?
/r/MensRights28/05/14 02:15 AM
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I don't think that the MRM or the Feminist movement are BS. Both sides have good points; the difference that I see is that most people in power are men, and I can understand how Feminists feel misrepresented and mistreated, whereas men, we kind of have it well (for the most part). We do have our own issues, but I feel that compared to Feminists, we have a better chance at fixing our own issues, BECAUSE we're in power. My goal? To understand this side of the argument. I have heard the feminist si…
/r/MensRights28/05/14 02:13 AM
1

But what's the difference between lying, and being unable to remember because she was traumatized or being grilled by the cops/others?
/r/MensRights28/05/14 02:06 AM
0

A valid point. So, do we need federal legislation restricting women from going to college? Or what's your solution?
/r/MensRights28/05/14 01:04 AM
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So, you're saying that feminism needs people feeling bad for them in order to draw attention to the issue, whereas the MRM simply states the issue and leaves it at that?
/r/MensRights28/05/14 01:02 AM
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Yes, ideally, both sides would come together and agree to issues and work from there, but it seems that both sides would rather yell at one another calling the other side liars, and what not. (Just like our political system! :) Perhaps, we need a third subreddit, where people come together from BOTH sides, and work together to work on things. " /r/ Fe-men-ism " anyone?
/r/MensRights28/05/14 01:00 AM
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Not fake. Generalized. When you hear a woman say "she was raped", people might glance over it or care for a minute, and move on. When you hear that someone you knew was raped, or heard that person's story, the impact is MUCH MUCH more meaningful. That's what I'm going for. I want to hear the stories from people.
/r/MensRights28/05/14 12:58 AM
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I think you have valid points, there ARE problems with the system. I could point and counter point some of your positions, but I think that yes, SOME of those issues are truly problems that should be taken care of. But also, how many of these issues are 'because of women'? Are men not mostly in power, making laws? Is this kind of not a bed that we made ourselves? In light of that, my question to you is, if you could have chosen your gender at birth, would you rather be a male or a female and why…
/r/MensRights28/05/14 12:55 AM
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Rape, is as big an issue as false accusations? I don't know that I can agree to that. Look at murder. There are plenty of people who commit it and are imprisoned, people who commit it, but are free/acquitted, and people who are falsely accused. I would imagine this is a similar case, with probably similar stats. I feel that both feminism and MRM have a lot in common then, both are victims, but no one believes them.
/r/MensRights28/05/14 12:51 AM
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Sorry to attach another question to this response, but it kind of gave me an idea or a similar situation that this reminds me of. Does feminism need a "Male Bill of Rights"?
/r/MensRights28/05/14 12:47 AM
1

Of course not, even feminists can't agree to what should be included in the movement, just as Republicans can't agree on what is conservative, etc, etc. In your opinion, what could feminism include that would make the MRM moot or unneeded?
/r/MensRights28/05/14 12:46 AM
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Not helpful. I want to hear it FROM YOU. From someone who is part of the MRA. I've heard different things from different people already, and I find it interesting to hear it directly from people. It's the same with hearing about feminism and hearing stories and views from individuals.
/r/MensRights28/05/14 12:45 AM
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I agree with all that. But it seems to be such a sticking point to the MRM, that there are 'so many' false accusations. I am not denying that it's a problem, like I said, I have a friend who was wrongly accused and EVEN TODAY, many years later, is dealing with it. But the issue that I keep getting stuck on, is that a lot of people are getting raped, and to a much lesser degree, people are being falsely accused. (No stats to back it up, but we hear more people saying 'I was raped', than we do 'I …
/r/MensRights28/05/14 12:36 AM
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Right, I agree, if you are a consistent liar, you SHOULD go to jail. ANY false accusation is incredibly difficult to deal with, and I think people should be punished for doing so. Though, what constitutes false accusation? I mean, the unfortunate thing with rape is that it's "he-said", "she-said". If a charge gets dropped, does that automatically make her a liar? Like, how do you determine a false accusation? (I feel like it's almost as hard as determining a TRUE accusation.)
/r/MensRights28/05/14 12:28 AM
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"No one here wants attention." "We only want to draw attention to what current feminism is doing to everything else around us." "I get attention from doing shit-not whining." Are you saying that no INDIVIDUAL wants attention, but as a movement, you want to draw attention? Sorry, I'm a little confused by that. Okay, so if feminists 'took a step back', then the MRM wouldn't need to exist? Or, basically, at what point would the MRM consider their mission a success? Where is the end goal? Is it equa…
/r/MensRights28/05/14 12:22 AM
1

So, is MRM an extension of feminism, or an alternative? Does MRM include feminist issues too? Or is it exclusive male rights orientated? I ask, because feminism claims to include male (and gay) rights as well. (I'm neither confirming nor denying whether or not feminism actually does, they just claim it.)
/r/MensRights28/05/14 12:17 AM
1

Father's rights, that is alimony payments, custody battles, stuff like that correct? Could you elaborate more, if that's not the case?
/r/MensRights28/05/14 12:16 AM
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I agree with you, false rape accusations SHOULD be punished. I know a friend that was falsely accused and he STILL struggles to this day to clear his name. However, I wonder. What happens to women who are raped, tell one story, and then a few days later when asked again to recount their story, tell something slightly different. Are they thrown in jail? How do we tell the liars, from those who were SERIOUSLY traumatized to the point where they can't remember exactly how things happened? And what …
/r/MensRights28/05/14 12:15 AM
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I don't agree with you at all. I've been on Tumblr for a long time now, and yes, it has become more feministic, but there are a few things to say about that. Firstly, a lot of men, agree with what's being posted on Tumblr. The reason for this, and the reason that I love Tumblr, is because a lot of women post their 'rape stories' on there. It's one thing to hear about 'someone being raped', it's another and a truly mind-altering thing, to hear someone you follow tell their story. I think being a …
/r/MensRights28/05/14 12:12 AM
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Yes, I realize that, but I wanted to hear it from you the subscribers. (And I expect people to say "TROLL!", but as you'll see, I'm going to respond to everyone as open-minded as possible. I am legitimately curious.)
/r/MensRights28/05/14 12:06 AM
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The first part, I completely get. But I feel that that is not exactly a 'Mens Rights' only thing. I feel that that's an EVERYONE thing. The second part, I get, but I think that's another issue in of itself. Feminists report one set of numbers, MRM report another set of numbers, and the truth is somewhere in between. Does the MRM have a way to remedy the false rape accusations going on, or is their goal to simply shed light to the fact that there is false rape accusations out there?
/r/MensRights28/05/14 12:05 AM
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"Look at me. I'm a victim. Feel bad for me." So, to clarify what you said, the Mens Rights Movement (and this subreddit), are to bring up issues that are happening in real life. Issues that are a problem. And by creating this subreddit, aren't you saying "Hey, look at me and my issues. I'm a victim (too). Please feel (bad) for me."?
/r/MensRights28/05/14 12:02 AM
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Isn't that what this subreddit is about...?
/r/MensRights27/05/14 11:52 PM
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