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What? I am having a normal, non-snark/insult conversation with you right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 04:10 AM
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I think it's strange that you are fixating on me, but we all have something we're trying to get out of this. This is literally a debate sub where people are out and proud misogynists and you think I am the bad guy because I am condescending toward people who are pushing toxic rhetoric in bad faith? You're not wrong about how this place is bad for us all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 03:46 AM
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Do you know where we are? That's not at all far-fetched.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 03:22 AM
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Men who seek paternity tests aren't a representative sample of "all men".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:56 AM
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The "30%" number is based on men who seek paternity tests. This is already a sample of men who are uncertain about paternity. The statistics on the "general population" (I don't believe there have been any studies done on actual representative samples because this is still people who have elected to do DNA testing for other reasons) do include people who probably know they might not be the bio Dad but are fine either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:27 AM
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and I can trace that response back to 6th grade I also said it can be pathological. This sounds like response to genuine trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:23 AM
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I think the "improper" men are the ones receiving reasonable pushback to their nonsense and then complaining to their likewise improper friends/forums about how "you can't open up to women". Look at this thread. It's the usual suspects pushing this mythology.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:14 AM
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Which "male emotions" are these? If you are "opening up" in a hateful, aggressive, or angry manner, of course that's off-putting, especially when those "emotions" are oriented around resentment of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:05 AM
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They were very brave and vulnerable opening up about how they think women should be in the kitchen and shouldn't have right to vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:03 AM
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Well put. It could also be an insecurity which is the result of a bigoted or problematic worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:01 AM
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"Insecure" is generally used to admonish people who have pathological or bigoted insecurities. As you note, everyone has some level insecurity
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:00 AM
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Men who are married, older, higher income, and more educated when having children are far, far less likely to experience paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:55 AM
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Women on average will settle down earlier than men do (with slightly older men) due to having and taking care of children and often not being the breadwinner in the partnership. Women are also more likely (due to cultural pressure) than men to report that a nebulous “situationship” is a relationship whereas the man will say he is single.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:11 AM
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No, the singleness skews hard toward the younger ages of that range due to a ton of people putting off dating and relationships to focus on school and early career or just wanting to not be tied down. Lumping completely different life stages together in order to have an alarmist sound bite is not illuminating or interesting. And again, “single” is not “struggling”.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:01 AM
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Stats on who is in a “relationship” - especially at ridiculously young ages like “18” has nothing to do with who is unable to get interest from women. “Single” is not the same thing as struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 11:51 PM
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"Height helps" as in "being shorter than the average woman makes things harder". People certainly exaggerate the benefits of being above average height - net everything else - but it's definitely usually a positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 11:11 PM
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how looks don't really matter and it's more about your personality Nobody says this. Given that average people tend to date average people, the reason why an average person can't find anyone is probably not due to looks. That doesn't mean, if course, that every potential match will find the average person's looks appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 11:09 PM
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Never claimed it's unobtainable. You claimed that the data show that most men are "unwanted". How is there a post-pandemic "overcorrection" for "wantedness"? I inherently question the validity of that stat in the first place. Yes, you now question the validity of the dataset because it contradicts your worldview and yet you were screaming about it from the rooftops as though it were conclusive in prior years when it happened to accord with it. Go ahead and prove that most men are "generally appr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 04:36 PM
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2022 seems to be a post-pandemic overcorrection for an upwards trend that started in 2008 How is there an "overcorrection" for a status that your side claims is essentially unobtainable for these men? 45% of men aged 18-25 have never approached a woman. You guys throw this stat around a lot, but generally do not deploy it accurately. The question is whether or not men have approached women "for a date" which is a different thing entirely than a general approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 04:16 PM
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Yes, and this dovetails with the crossover between red/black pills and political reactionaries and their obsession with humiliation. They see social life as a constant, zero-sum contest where someone is always being dominated by another who is submitting. So yes, their ability to obtain what they see as a woman who would be coveted by other men would be their opportunity to project dominance and inflict humiliation on men with "lesser" women. They see men who profess happiness with with the sort…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 03:18 PM
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you'd witness that friendliness and flirting get mixed up all the time. In fact, miscommunication happens so often that corporate environments I don't disagree that people shouldn't throw around "ND" as an insult, but there is a difference between (a) someone who is struggling to understand social cues to the point of struggling romantically and (b) corporations having to crack down on people who are deliberately using ambiguity/plausible deniability to harass/proposition coworkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 02:58 PM
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All these factors mean that women are going to struggle to find a guy that they actually want Even if we grant that, that in no way suggests that women prefer to "share" a "top" guy rather than settle with someone they believe is lower. They'd likely do neither if that is their only choice (it usually isn't).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 02:39 AM
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but we now know that when given the freedom, women would rather share a top guy then settle with a guy they perceive as lower Why do you think we "know" this?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 02:21 AM
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Yeah, that's a pretty hateful take in that comment. People don't understand how important practicing was to everything they now do effortlessly. Kids don't just learnt to walk one day. It's a constant effort over the course of many months to get it right. Autistic children are born less interested in things like facial expressions and tonal nuances and therefore they are less inclined to practice that stuff a critical age. They don't just choose to practice doing other things for no reason and o…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 04:47 PM
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Vast majority of single middle age men are alone and bitter That seems like a stretch. There are plenty of men who have had relationships and/or have kids at that age and just might be at a point where they aren't looking for anything long-term at the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 04:42 PM
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Where is the “society going” line in that graph?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 10:39 PM
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There are more than enough babies to “keep society going”.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 10:33 PM
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You like having more babies just because?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 10:28 PM
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How is Western society right now “speed-running” toward death compared to SA of all places?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 10:27 PM
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As a society, we're basically told that (especially for men) if you have sex, that makes you a good person, while not having sex makes you a bad person No.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 07:57 PM
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You mean OP made that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 06:43 PM
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if you have qualms with their values and standards, that's on you. Either all preferences are valid or none are Wait...what? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 06:26 PM
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People who ask these questions see all women as the same, or worse see women as somehow inherently more "good" so it never registers to them that so-called "bad" men are with women who have similar backgrounds, styles, personalities, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 05:33 PM
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Do you want to be 100% financially dependent on your wife who provides for your every "need" (aside from, of course the "need" for independence and self-determination).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 05:21 PM
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For anyone who values autonomy and independence, struggling in freedom is better than benevolent slavery. Funny that all of these conservative men seem to understand this when it comes to their own political crusades, but just assume women are ok with subordination.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 05:06 PM
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successful vs unsuccessful with casual sex casual sex with hot women You're pointing out another relevant distinction that they gloss over. Even when talking about "casual sex" they are omitting the part which is "women I am personally attracted to" which leads to all sorts of assumptions about the men being captured by these statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 04:45 PM
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there are a minority group of men who sleep with significantly more women than the majority I've never seen convincing evidence that these men are top-tier in anything other than their commitment to having tons of casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 04:41 PM
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It's the same as sexlessness in young western women. Probably has to do with social media/internet/gaming and lingering effects from the pandemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 10:26 PM
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20% men are bagging 80% of the chicks. So these men must be having sex with multiple women for the math to check out. Your "math" is wrong because your foundational assumption is absurd and erroneous.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 04:54 PM
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Or, it's correlated with increasing economic disparities which are leading to poorer healthcare for underserved communities. STD rates are basically just an index of poverty.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 04:45 PM
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This is the reported rate by ethnicity - not the total number of cases. By cases, white Americans generally represent the second largest reported group with "unknown" taking representing the largest group of all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 04:18 PM
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White Americans are not a "tiny" minority of the reported cases. They are underrepresented for the population size, but that's a different claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 04:08 PM
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Where are you getting this idea from? Where are these numbers?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 04:06 PM
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STDs are more easily spread from the women to the Chad No, the opposite is actually true.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 04:05 PM
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absolutely tiny minorities of both being white americans. Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 04:04 PM
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This is something which everyone already knows. It's the same reason why men who receive penetrative sex from other men are also more susceptible.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 04:04 PM
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What "numbers"?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 04:03 PM
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This is fake rage-bait.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:19 PM
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Conjecture and anecdote from individuals who are able to articulate clear and concise arguments is much more valuable than people who spam studies they don't read and cannot understand as a false bid for credibility. ppd: 1/3 men are cucks unknowingly parenting children who aren't their own! no ppd: here's a study done by fertility clinics which shows that 1/3 of their clients were not the father! checkmate! no
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:55 PM
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It's not the same men for each woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:27 PM
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The "sTuDiEs" fetishism is the most fascinating and annoying bit. Just the utter inability to actually understand a study beyond searching key terms and spamming links as "argument". It's a primitive religion of the lazily educated.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 08:24 PM
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Why are you - as a man - trolling female spaces?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 06:15 PM
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It's absurd. He witnessed drunk people debauching at 2 am and is extrapolating to the general population.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 04:46 PM
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You are assuming that the male and female samples of university attendees are equally representative of the general population for the age cohort. I am not sure that's the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 04:44 PM
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It's because the only "sex" they think counts is sex with the kind of influencer women they follow on social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 04:39 PM
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There's a thing they do where they exaggerate reasonable standards that women have to something which they can caricature as absurdly entitled. For most women, "ambitious" means something like "not settling for a dead-end retail or service gig instead of investing in some sort of career". It can even be simply about their partner not hating and finding some satisfaction or achievement in the work they do. But they will spin that as: "women require a man who makes 6 figures".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 06:06 PM
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What "facts" are you talking about? According to your source: Up to 1 in 3 dads who suspect that they are not the father are right .. DNA tests confirm they are not. Around 3% of all dads in the USA do not realize that their kid isn’t their biological kid. How do you interpret these two lines as "1in 3 dads are raising a kid they don't know isnt his...."?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 06:25 AM
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Your source doesn't say what you are claiming. Read it again, carefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 06:21 AM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 06:15 AM
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Again, this is nonsense mixed with weird hubris. The reason why statistical analysis for population-wide claims exists is because it is extremely unlikely that any one individual will have regular experience with a representative sample of the population in question. And even with something like a representative environment, it is often the case that personal bias will prevent an individual from even perceiving the actual reality of that group. If you are telling the truth, you are (again) revea…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 06:06 AM
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Your personal experience (if you are reporting accurately) says much more about you and your social circle than the average woman. Your speculation about numbers north of "85%" is nonsense. You have no reason aside from your own bias to believe that confidential/anonymous studies on this topic are systematically flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 05:53 AM
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Id say the majority of women cheat but they don't get caught. The statistics greatly underestimate the prevalence of women who cheat. Why would you "say" this despite the evidence to the contrary?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 05:45 AM
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No, it's not "semantics" when you are claiming that these men are the most attractive. It's like saying that since selling lemonade from a stand on the neighborhood corner makes money therefore it's the best way to make money.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 01:49 AM
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The type of men that is the most attractive to women are those that fill the dark triad This is an outrageous claim. Data from studies that show certain DT qualities are attractive is not the same thing as “DT men are the most attractive”.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 11:41 PM
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Why are you assuming that qualities like "thin" are equally desirable on both ends?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 11:02 PM
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50% of Americans get divorced That's not even true. Something near 50% of marriage end in divorce, but a ton of those are serial divorcers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 09:14 PM
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Blue-pill was coined by the redpill No. "Blue-pill" was already an essential component of the metaphor that the red-pill folks stole from the Matrix film.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 09:05 PM
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milk-toast
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 08:57 PM
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Far too many men who struggle also refuse to drink so I think your strawman is off-base.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 05:25 PM
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Pretty sure your stats are based on being a “father” or “mother” which is not the same thing as having sired biological offspring. There are tons of unknown biological fathers whereas biological mothers are obviously easier to ascertain.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 03:21 AM
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The idea that “having children” is any benchmark of attractiveness in 2024 aside from the most baseline is ridiculous. Women have a stronger biological and social desire for children than men. There are plenty of attractive men who don’t want kids and are smart enough not to have unprotected sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 03:07 AM
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50% of marriages end A huge portion of those are people who are serial divorcers, people who got married too young and/or people who were forced into marrying due to unplanned pregnancy. The divorce rate is far lower for first-time marriages between older adults with education and good income.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 11:51 PM
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This clearly means that one person for most people is not enough love to satisfy someone for their entire life. That's not "clear" at it. Most people would have preferred to find their life partner earlier rather than later. They just had to date other people first in order to get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 11:48 PM
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Ok, so lead with that. "Having more children" says nothing aside from the very baseline about "attractiveness" in 2024.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 07:41 PM
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Very few men have it as a goal to have "more" kids than average. That's generally a side effect of irresponsible behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 07:36 PM
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there was a study that said psychopaths actually have more children than the average Joe Framing this as "attractiveness" is misguided given that "having children" is much more about the impulsiveness and irresponsibility that goes into having unprotected sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 07:34 PM
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You have no idea what this dude is like from this short description written by his friend. However, if there is any validity to this story, I'd imagine a man like this probably has rather high standards. He isn't just approaching any woman on the street. His dating pool is made up of attractive, educated, professional women who aren't going to be impressed by the mere existence of having a car and a place to sleep. And again, even the "car/place" women also want to be attracted to the man. This …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 04:59 PM
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Options like "don't pick up the kids after school is over". That "option" will have the children seized by the state. You are being ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 04:31 PM
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The easiest explanation for your particular example is that one of the "preferences" is in line with conventional, gendered standards for attractiveness and the other is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 04:23 PM
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A "choice" between working the same schedule and not taking care of their children? That's not actually a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 04:21 PM
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What? The scenario in question is a married couple who divorces and then one of the parents becomes the primary caregiver disrupting their work schedule.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 04:07 PM
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we see so many women saying they just want the bare minimum of a guy who is put together Nobody says that. It’s a standard, but there also has to be attraction and compatibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 03:27 PM
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According to him, this is the pattern that all divorces he observed throughout 33 years of military career followed. If we’re to take this guy seriously, this seems like a biasing detail. Military men from low income backgrounds often marry very young to women who are incentivized to not work and start having children very young due to the relatively generous spousal/family benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 03:22 PM
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If they had to do it in order to take care of the kids then, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 03:18 PM
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i have never thought an 'ideal woman' needed to have You lack imagination. This was a lady who made a ted talk about being alone. Yes. It's catnip for a certain species of manospherian and you seem to have fallen for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 12:18 AM
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You can't seriously believe that this woman had "has a boat" as a requirement when she was younger and dating. She pared down an ideal list to a basic requirement list as she matured.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 12:10 AM
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I don't see how (ideally) wanting a partner who is into your hobbies makes you an entitled baby? How you deal with the reality that not everything you ideally want is possible is what determines maturity - not the dreaming itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 11:53 PM
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These aren't "standards" these are closer to something like ideal qualities. Obviously you won't get them all in any one individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 11:48 PM
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Tell that to the % of men raising kids that aren't theirs while "trusting" their partner. These men should not have trusted their "partner" because the vast majority of them were probably some combination of very young, unmarried, struggling with untreated addiction/mental illness, or dealing with a history of or current problems with infidelity. Please respond to point 10. The "magical genie" parable is a facile, misleading analogy because the agency is external. You haven't sought out the geni…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 06:05 PM
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what the fuck would she gain from buying a dodgy house with her assets She could be stupid, reckless, negligent, etc. Her reasons for not getting the inspection are unimportant. What is important is that you should know the woman you've chosen to spend your life with is not stupid, reckless, or negligent and thus you'd trust that she wouldn't just buy the home without an inspection.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 05:51 PM
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You gonna suggest that someone not get an inspection for their house because the risk of something coming up is low? Again, like the dozens of facile analogies you've crafted, the risk here is something external. You get an inspection on a home you purchase because there could be something wrong with it. The proper analogy would be a world in which it's possible for your wife of a decade to get the inspection on the house you purchase jointly and for you to not bother to follow up because you tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 05:36 PM
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The bulk of your post and your “analogies” are facile nonsense which has been adequately dismantled by dozens of comments in this thread. But, I hadn’t seen anyone really address the fact that the “5%” or whatever is not some kind of randomly distributed risk.Your anecdotes about married women behaving badly reveals nothing about whether or not there were prior red flags in the relationship. But given that they were trying to “get with” a dude who posts as a “red pill man” on Reddit, I’m going t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 05:14 PM
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You keep quoting the 5% statistic as though that risk is somehow randomly distributed. Like any behavior, there are clear red flags and correlations that make any individual person more or less likely to be part of that group. A married, pregnant woman who has never had a history of infidelity and has a good relationship with her husband is far less likely than the population average (which includes unmarried women with a history of infidelity) to commit paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 04:54 PM
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I think you’re looking for hypocrisy where there is none. Women don’t need a man to pay rent and live alone, but having a partner is very useful for things like raising children and owning a home. But plenty of people who are working and partnered still can’t afford to buy a house in 2024.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 04:38 PM
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That still is a dream home. If it's still standing, it's definitely north of 1 million.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 04:10 PM
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That’s not what ugly means, no. Someone’s cute 90 year old grandma isn’t “conventionally attractive” but they also aren’t ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 09:06 PM
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There are people who are more conventionally attractive or who more closely match the beauty standards in our society, but that has nothing to do with whether or not someone is “objectively” attractive. And it certainly doesn’t mean you need to think that people who don’t meet that standard as well as others are “ugly”. That term is loaded with contempt and judgment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 08:58 PM
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I don’t think that way about people - especially people I care about. But I also think “/10” ratings are absurd and dehumanizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 08:54 PM
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It's more like why would you view your friends that way. Are you "ugly"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 08:51 PM
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Why do you have "many" "ugly" friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 08:41 PM
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It's been studied and it's been shown that women date up and sideways in the hierarchy and men date down and sideways in the hierarchy. If men date down, and women date up, and men are supposed to be mostly interested in looks, then how is it not true that they're dating down in terms of looks in order to potentially get a date? Because "up" and "down" in these studies is defined in economic terms and men out-earn women on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 08:25 PM
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Do you live in Japan?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 05:18 PM
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They may be “plain Jane” but also are usually youngish, thin, able-bodied, UMC white women. It’s not the average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 02:51 AM
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but..but..the tiktok
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 08:17 PM
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others get it if they see a guy use a seatbelt. This is obviously a joke. You understand that, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 08:17 PM
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lol @ "ex lineman" Crazy hyperbole. "Tall" can be like 5'10" as long as the woman is somewhat shorter. The problem is that you guys only consider a certain type of woman as "women" and thus are fixated on the preferences and desires of that small sliver of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 03:07 AM
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Not sure I know what you are referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 02:56 AM
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This is absolutely not true. There are plenty of women who like big, fat, teddy bear men who are taller and/or have broad shoulders. Often these women like that the man makes them feel smaller/more feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 02:50 AM
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(a) If the women she is attracting prefer women then there isn't really anything a man can do to compete. (b) Women who are attracted to men and women may simply feel more comfortable with a woman approaching and demonstrating their personality in a way that is not always as easy to accomplish for a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 02:17 AM
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Are you also "shit" like "most" people?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 08:44 PM
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Most people don't mature, most people are shit. Disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 08:32 PM
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What does this data have to do with "strongest" male?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 08:20 PM
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If we are to believe the data, one interpretation is that normal developmental socializing as a young person involves (at times) bullying and being bullied.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 08:20 PM
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Do you think having at some point in childhood participated in bullying makes someone a "bully douche" for the rest of their life?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 08:18 PM
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Bullying is also positively correlated with victimization in both studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 08:17 PM
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In both studies, victimization was modestly, positively correlated with bullying The way the study defines bullying: “How often have you made sexual jokes, comments, or gestures aimed at someone much weaker or less popular last term?” is a behavior which most young men who are proficiently social will engage in (both as abuser and victim) at some point. Rather than this being the case that this data shows that abnormally abusive men ("bullies") are more successful, it's the fact that socializing…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 08:10 PM
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Are you using some strange definition of "infertile" or are you not telling the truth?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 07:58 PM
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It's just such an obviously false clam.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 07:57 PM
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regular threesome with women they met just out at a store "regular" "just out at a store" No.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 07:55 PM
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and most people I know are infertile ...what?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 07:54 PM
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From your own biased source: It is worth noting that, per the Piketty, Saez, and Zucman data, the tax rates of the top 0.1 and 0.01 percent of taxpayers have dropped substantially since the 1950s. The average tax rate on the 0.1 percent highest-income Americans was 50.6 percent in the 1950s, compared to 39.8 percent today. The average tax rate on the top 0.01 percent was 55.3 percent in the 1950s, compared to 40.8 percent today. We are talking about billionaires. It's not just the top "1%" but a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 06:38 PM
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I think "sometimes" covers this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 06:27 PM
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Or we can tax the billionaires more and have a ton of extra money to spend on additional things which help people or to reduce the deficit. Just because it won't completely offset total government expenditure doesn't mean it's not something worth doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 06:25 PM
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Income taxes on the highest earners were much higher historically during the time period when you claim the government was "1/10" the size it is today.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 06:23 PM
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You only get one Sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 06:14 PM
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history (I’m talking ~100000 years But it’s not “100,000” years which would suggest something fundamental to our biology. The bottleneck is a product of social and cultural changes from around 10,000 years ago - approximating the development of agriculture and settlements.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 03:33 PM
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Why is this shocking? "MIT grad student" is clearly far and away above what the average person considers intelligent. At this point you have diminishing returns and other factors which emerge that are going to produce less social success.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 06:12 PM
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Take Jacob Elordi for example. The guy has a very weird looking face How is he "very" weird looking? He's a handsome white guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 05:43 PM
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"philosophy"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 05:41 PM
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Nobody is saying it’s ideal. But it’s what most men would do in that situation given that they are the kid’s father.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 08:48 PM
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It is “literally” your kid legally if you were married to the mother. You can co-parent without remaining married.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 08:30 PM
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I don’t even know what you are talking about at this point. Obviously nobody expects a man to stay with a woman who knowingly committed paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 08:23 PM
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No, it’s not about “manning up” or staying with the mother or not being able to date and have other children with another woman. It’s the simple fact that most people in the situation will have formed a deep attachment to the child and would be able to simply discard them due to a revelation concerning genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 08:16 PM
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Being a parent obviously is more than just biology. You are that kid's father after 7 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 07:45 PM
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You're an asshole if you don't want to continue raising the kid of some lying broad It's your kid. 7 years is a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 07:27 PM
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There are more stepfathers in this world than stepmothers Because women are far, far more likely to have sole custody of children due to absent biological fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 07:26 PM
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It’s not that unfairness can’t be fathomed, it’s that comparisons like this (lack of money vs. lack of romance) suggest that the person making the comparison is inclined to view women as fungible commodities one acquires rather than human persons with which one has a personal relationship. Scott’s reference to the women dating “Henry” makes this more clear which is why I keep coming back to it. He sees Henry as having acquired “more” of a resource “women” despite being unworthy. But that complet…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 09:03 PM
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The violent criminal is "doing better" because biographical and personality profiles which are conducive to criminality are also conducive to having impulsive, irresponsible sex with lots of partners and fathering several children in the process. This is neither the life which Scott desires, nor is it something which he is even capable of, so it's a bizarre comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 08:34 PM
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Did you even read the article? Dan is a black man complaining about systemic racism. He's not another dude struggling with romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 08:31 PM
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He literally is comparing himself to his client. There seems to be some confusion about this, so let me explain what it means, to everyone, for all time. It does not mean “I am nice in some important cosmic sense, therefore I am entitled to sex with whomever I want.” It means: “I am a nicer guy than Henry.” Or to spell it out very carefully, Henry clearly has no trouble attracting partners. He’s been married five times and had multiple extra-marital affairs and pre-marital partners, many of whom…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 08:06 PM
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Scott Alexander isn't a realistic option (both in terms of compatibility but also in terms of proximity) for the kind of women who tend to date hardened criminal abusers who are referred by the state for psychological evaluation. There's no use asking why they are choosing these men over him because that's not a choice which is being made.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 08:02 PM
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Scott Adams is not in the same dating pool as the women who date lifelong criminals, abusers, and addicts that he sees in his work as a mental health practitioner. It's just a dumb argument for a wealthy, UMC, professional egghead to be like: why aren't don't the violent, maladjusted criminals' girlfriends give me a chance? It's because they are also violent, maladjusted people who you have nothing in common with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 07:55 PM
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where people don't even really talk about genuinely bad men who mistreat and abuse women as much as they rage at a passive aggressive dude getting mad over text This is a ridiculous strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 05:51 PM
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You were presenting this basic fact as some sort of "victimhood excuse". And the rest is: I get it. I read Nietzsche for the first time once, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 04:53 PM
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Men are taller in general Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 04:36 PM
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Are you surprised that impulsive, uneducated, and reckless behaviors that lead to unplanned pregnancy also lead to criminality?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:43 AM
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But net attractiveness, being a jerk is going to be an overall detriment to success on average. And “not being a jerk” is relatively easy to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:41 AM
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I get that. But do you think this woman actually just wanted to kill her boyfriend and waited until they smoked to have plausible cover? She obviously has some sort of prior/latent violence/psychosis that the drugs brought out of her, but if she didn't have a history violence, it does seem like a bizarre mental break. Not sure how we can be sure this won't happen again.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 06:54 PM
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It is a “debate misogynists” forum as I wrote. Do you generally have difficulty with articles and syntax or only when you find it useful to feign confusion rather than to reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 11:48 PM
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Why make comments about “women” instead of how dating is challenging?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 10:49 PM
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This is a “debate misogynists” forum. Therefore, the charge is often relevant and applicable. This is not a “debate men who use crayon” forum. Easy enough for you to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 10:46 PM
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Are we in the debate the “crayon pill” forum where men argue that printed paper is a socialist plot to cuck men and that illegible scrawling is natural and alpha?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 10:39 PM
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But being abused by one man isn't sufficient reason to hate all men either, yet we give allowances to women for that Who is "we"? I don't do that. Do you? Like, for example, giving resources to immigrants when most of the country is struggling to pay to live an adequate quality of life The people who complain about the drop-in-a-bucket, token amount being "given" to immigrants are also the people who vote for the political faction who doesn't care one lick about helping non-immigrants who are st…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 08:25 PM
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Why are you putting misogynistic in scare quotes? Struggling in dating isn't a valid reason to hate women, it's likely that someone who ends up at that point probably had those inclinations to begin with, and (as I've repeatedly pointed out) it's ironically making things worse. You don't think that every single Klansman has a "journey" to where they arrived at hating black people? Does that justify it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 07:59 PM
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The men who aren't misogynists generally aren't asking for dating advice here. They are asking for advice in places where "are women just big children" aren't serious topics of debate. I assume they get more quality advice there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 07:45 PM
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Nope. That's not at all what I said. Read again. IF you are struggling and IF you are also a vile misogynist, then not being a vile misogynist might help. This is advice specific to this place where the misogynists come to debate people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 07:19 PM
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But if we were on a forum debating whether or not people should take the "alchy pill" and regularly drink to excess and act like a lunatic, then it would be reasonable to suggest that struggles with employment are related to them embracing this inhibitory philosophy. It's honestly quite silly for you to act outraged like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 07:18 PM
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It's not baseless at all given that we are in a forum for debating unrepentant, yet often struggling, misogynists.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 04:41 PM
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You're missing the point. Misogynist dudes who are attractive despite their misogyny "get laid all of the time". But this isn't something a less attractive dude can emulate. The misogyny is a negative that is offset by attractiveness. Removing that negative will improve the chances for someone who is struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 04:16 PM
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How is that “blue pill”. Are red pillars suddenly social democrats and progressives now?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 03:33 PM
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We even enforce laws that are known to disproportionately affect those who are failing and hinder them from further seeking success. What?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 03:24 PM
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Nobody says you need to be a saint. It’s just that if you are struggling it’s likely that you aren’t exceptionally attractive and therefore advice like “don’t be a vile misogynist” probably will improve your chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 03:22 PM
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No, it's not a "metaphor". It's a brain-dead TikTok trend that people are taking seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 09:29 PM
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Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 09:25 PM
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Naw. At a certain point it's just going to seem like the guy is messing with them for social media content or something if he's actually hitting on them. And most women aren't going to torpedo a long-term relationship for something like that. I agree that attractive men would be received more positively if the content of the approach is ostensibly neutral (asking for directions or something).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 09:25 PM
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Except that employers with those sorts of jobs to offer don't need to flail desperately about trolling around for suitors. They already have a list of candidates that they have in mind (often internal or known business associates). The fact that the employer would have to stoop to randomly "selling" you on the job is actually a red flag. You've inadvertently demonstrated a great analogy for the value and appeal of dating within social circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 09:13 PM
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Uh, not obvious at all, especially when someone has a "red pill man" flair. Some of you believe that "Chad" can walk up to women who have been married for 30 years and they'll immediately leave their husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 09:00 PM
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I honestly don't know if these dudes are trolling or they actually think that a tailored, self-reinforcing social media algorithm is a reasonable facsimile of reality. It seems like there is a U-curve when it comes to internet credulity. Boomers of course believe everything they see on the internet, but strangely the younger generation who should be more sophisticated about this stuff also tend to. Maybe it's because critical thinking skills in general have been eroded? Or maybe it's just that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 08:58 PM
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Then specify that. A ton of women who don't want dudes approaching them don't want it (in part) because they are already in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 08:54 PM
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This is so delusional. Why come here to just make things up? Most women in committed relationships are going to reject anyone "approaching" them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 08:50 PM
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Why do I pay attention to the women I follow on TikTok who do silly things for attention/views?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 08:44 PM
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People met through social groups, mutual friends, and mutual activities (school, hobbies, etc.). It takes a certain amount of social savvy and awareness to know when it is right to approach a stranger. If you are balking at all of these "rules" about proper public etiquette, then you shouldn't be attempting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 08:36 PM
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The idea that 50-year-old women are expecting anything other than "Dad bod" is completely unbelievable. "Dads" are a younger demographic. This is approaching "grandpa" age.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 08:34 PM
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Why is this a problem, though? Most people don't want to be bothered by people selling something when they are out in public trying to get stuff done or socializing with their actual friends/family.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 08:31 PM
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It's not the awareness of the term that's unbelievable. It's the desire to deploy it. This didn't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 08:25 PM
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Friend: "He's got a bit of a dad bod" No "50-year-old woman" says this. Stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 07:53 PM
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That’s generally in the context of women dating their equals. College-educated women making 6-figures tend to end up with men of the same background. This isn’t “gold-digging”.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 05:17 PM
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The studies are picking up on subtle effects related to putative or abstract scenarios regarding attraction to invented strangers. This has little to no effect in the real world of people interacting with other people they know are partnered. Most women are not interested in men who are partnered and are not attempting to attract them. Thus, when these men perceive themselves as being "more attractive" when interacting with these women, they are mistaking comfort for attraction. I don't know how…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 07:35 PM
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For about the ninth time: querying women about desirability in the context of a psych study is not the same thing as women's behavior toward partnered men in the real world. Partnered men are mistaking platonic comfort for attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 07:24 PM
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Huh? Obviously we are talking about sexual/romantic desire. You think we are talking about desirability as a pickleball partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 07:16 PM
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desirable in this paper clearly and explicitly means desirable for sex This was assumed and changes absolutely nothing in our previous discussion. Thank you for demonstrating you can read the paper, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 07:13 PM
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I have no idea what you are going on about now. Desirable in a literal sense means that someone, anywhere at one point had desired the thing. Pretty much anything fits the bill. Desirable in a general sense means that something is generally desired. When you ask if a person is desirable - the answer is: possibly, since it depends on the other person who is considering the first person. Some people are generally desired. Others are a more niche taste. Again, none of this has anything to do with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 07:01 PM
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the studies We've been over the studies. Claiming that women view men in photos standing near women as more desirable is a far, far cry form claiming that this has any actionable effect in the real world. You guys are all the same with your "tHe sTuDiEs". Did you read the study? Do you understand it? Do you understand how it relates to the discussion we are having right now? It's like a primitive religion. Just gesture at "a study" and claim you wont he argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 06:50 PM
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You can deny the pre selection bias Yes, I deny that women being nicer to men in relationships (because they less inclined to misinterpret friendliness) means they secretly want to have sex with them. It's nonsense. All of your trashy, reality TV examples of cheaters and people "hitting on" taken men are niche nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 06:43 PM
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Desirable means being desired By someone? Sure. But you don't know by whom. haven't heard of cheaters Many cheaters don't disclose the fact that they are in a committed relationship to their affair partner. when they see another one hitting on their guy and being insecure Again, the women hitting on their partner may not have known they were taken. The point of the protective display is to assert ownership and hope that the "general decency" I mentioned above kicks in as it usually does.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 06:33 PM
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If you are desirable it is possible you will be desired. But most people do not want someone who is in already in relationship and they certainly will not broadcast it out of general decency.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 06:23 PM
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OP invented the "forced" thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 06:11 PM
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Men in relationships already are in relationships. I don't get your question or your angle. Just speak plainly; you're not going to trap me in some kind of logical bind or something. I'm far too agile for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 06:11 PM
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You think the OP who posted this unhinged screed and claims his friend is "forced" to date certain women is objective?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 06:05 PM
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Women do what?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 06:01 PM
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...what? Men in relationships are by definition desirable due to being in relationships. Women confirming in a study that men who have shown themselves to not be completely undesirable to women are in general more desirable has nothing to do with whether or not these women are inclined to given romantic attention to men who are taken (which is the claim being made).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 06:00 PM
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A reddit thread speculating on the psychology/motivation behind a niche behavior is not at all revealing of how "common" the behavior its. "No stupid questions" indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 05:56 PM
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constantly forced to settle lol @ "forced"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 05:47 PM
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Asserting abstract preferences in a study questionnaire is not the same thing as giving romantic attention to men in committed relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 05:46 PM
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"Desirability" in the vacuum context of a study questionnaire is not the same thing as a woman giving "attention" to a dude she knows is in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 05:44 PM
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I know the difference I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this is true. But you've written "ask any guy that's married". I think plenty of those dudes are clueless and far more are mistaken.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 05:39 PM
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Exactly. In this case the friendliness is compelled through the obligations of employment, but the misinterpretation is the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 05:30 PM
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I replied in another comment, but I think men often mistake women being more comfortable with a man in a committed relationship with these same women somehow being interested. Women are more inclined to be friendly because they feel as though it won't lead to escalation or (ironically, in this case) misinterpretation on the part of a man who is in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 05:27 PM
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Every guy can attest to the fact that he got an uptick in female attention the moment he got one gf. I think a huge factor in this is men misperceiving women being more comfortable with the man (because he's taken and should not be trying to escalate friendly interactions into something sexual) with interest in the man. The "attention" is women letting their guard down somewhat in a way they don't with random or single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 05:25 PM
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So in theory it’s easier to explain Human behavior than Chimpanzee. And that theory can be easily dismissed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 05:23 PM
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I don't think many people do this. I think people have relationships with people they are attracted to who also possess other good qualities. Manosphere folks seem to believe that women frequently enter relationships with men they are not attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 04:46 PM
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They want you to say that the hookup was Chad and that he was more attractive than your current LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 04:37 PM
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It's an important factor to consider when thinking about recidivism and danger to the public. Otherwise we are just using the carceral system to "punish" people in order to feel good.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 02:02 AM
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To some degree? Sure. It’s overwhelmingly more misogynistic, but people who hold a dim, essentialist view of one gender often have similar, complementary feelings for the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 11:35 PM
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To some degree, yes. The belief that men are naturally unruly and violent plays into these sentencing decisions, especially when it comes to younger men who are very much capable of change.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 11:04 PM
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Honest question: do you ever speak to any normal people? Most men eventually partner with women. Are you only speaking to very attractive women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 11:02 PM
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only about 40% of men have historically reproduced That's a product of very recent (~10,000 years ago) but still ancient social developments related to sedentism and agriculture. Today, most men get married and can have children if they choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 11:00 PM
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I was just correcting you. I never claimed otherwise. Please point it out. I was simply correcting your poor analogy. If that chart was showing white men vs black men or men vs women, you'd be out marching on the streets As a reminder: that was you, going on a nonsense tangent through the use of a poor analogy. That doesn't prevent you from comparing sentencing of women by female judges vs. male judges, which you would have to do to support your claim. Not at all. Female sentencing has been ligh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 10:57 PM
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Not sure what you want to hear. It's men who are in charge of laws and legislatures which infantilize women and view them as less responsible for their crimes. I suppose in a century or so when we have more equality in these realms we can begin to blame women if these disparities persist.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 10:38 PM
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black male offenders, didn't you see the link? The proper analogy would be a world in which white judges provide more lenient sentences to black offenders due to an idea that their race makes them less culpable for their crimes. Do you have any evidence that male judges sentence women significantly more leniently than female judges? The majority of judges are male. The minority of female judges are not the cause of the sentencing disparities that go back to a time when there were even fewer fema…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 10:36 PM
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since when do women care about procreating with " above average at some random skill men" Since literally the dawn of time. Most men have relationships and can have children if they want. Why do you guys act like you have to be elite in order to impress a woman? Is "woman" to you something like "social media influencer I follow"? It's bizarre and completely out of touch with reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 09:44 PM
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The article titles are provocative and I was ready to dismiss them, but basically the argument boils down to the fact that non-violent offenders or offenders who are unlikely to offend again and thus who are not a danger to the community should not be imprisoned. Since this represents almost all female offenders, the “no women should be imprisoned” is being used as a shorthand for initiatives that would actually result in the release of even more men than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 09:04 PM
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There are feminists who argue that women should not be incarcerated for any crime I'd love to see a citation for this. I imagine there are some feminists who believe that nobody should be incarcerated for crimes, but that's a different claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 08:50 PM
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Not all. But far more likely, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 08:47 PM
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gender crime paradox There's no "paradox". Women (rightfully) fear random harassment and victimization in a way that the average man not involved in a criminal lifestyle doesn't have to. Citing stats of the small segment of the male population which experiences extreme levels of victimization doesn't refute this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 08:46 PM
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gender crime paradox Male gang-bangers getting shot by other male gang-bangers means women are silly for being afraid of strange men while out alone at night. Right.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 08:40 PM
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The difference is that this is primarily male judges and male-dominated legislatures who are infantilizing women due to their own sexism. Comparing this to primarily white judges and legislatures handing down more severe punishments to black offenders dues to racism is off-base.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 08:38 PM
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What is with people having a single interaction with a person and then extrapolating that to half the population? Are you trolling? LOL @ "confirms".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 08:35 PM
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she thought video games were childish and a waste of time You literally just answered your question here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 04:48 PM
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This comment should be sticked in this place. It’s pretty much the answer to most of the dumb and “gotcha” attempt questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 01:17 AM
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Kids without marriage is much more likely to cause a split than kids with marriage or no marriage and no kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 08:36 PM
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Because they are the ones who have a more pressing need to settle down with firm commitment due to their biological clock.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 08:34 PM
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These people shouldn't be getting married. Doesn't mean that "marriage" doesn't mean anything anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 08:30 PM
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Marriage don't mean anything anymore. Based on two examples. Right.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 08:24 PM
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They need to get offline, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:25 PM
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I think the better prescription is for people to actually go outside and stop relying on absurd social media personalities to frame their reality. The chorus of "just watch Destiny, bro" is so tiresome.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:19 PM
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It's not a "cultural" observation. It's an observation about your social media feed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 06:28 PM
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But why? It only reveals something about the sort of content you prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 06:25 PM
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so many How many? 10? 30? 100? How is this at all representative of anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 06:18 PM
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It's a tiny fraction of women posting content they know will generate engagement. How are you concluding that this is at all representative?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 05:55 PM
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You think "TikTok" is a reliable window into the "true" nature of women in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 05:53 PM
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Worse: they get their information from "social" media. Stuff which is specifically tailored and completely unhinged. At least mass media has to appeal to general audiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 05:51 PM
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men(in general) are quite ambivalent about their partners job while women (in general) want a partner with the capability to provide for them I reject the premise. Most women work and most people partner with someone within their socio-economic class. Women who prefer a dude who makes 6-figures tend to also be college-educated professionals with that sort of earning potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 05:46 PM
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Pick a topic and we can discuss it. I'm not going to wade into a massive wall of claims that verge on cartoonish in their lack of nuance/understanding. Example: Let's go back in time and think about how it was. Women in the tribe looked after the kids, took care of the living quarters etc. while men went out and hunted, providing for their tribe
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 05:33 PM
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Uh, no. The "black/white" bio-truth explanation is the comforting lie. It absolves people of personal responsibility and dealing with a complicated and chaotic social world.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 05:20 PM
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It's basically just a Gish-gallop of bad evo-pych, projection, and confirmation bias. If they wanted to argue one of the points, it might be worth engaging with. But that massive wall of nonsense isn't worth anyone's time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 05:14 PM
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63% of men under 30 have given up. That's not what that stat says. You need to be honest or it's not worth having a discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 09:47 PM
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The average guy gets no matches on dating apps This is false. And dating apps are not real life. 45% of young men have never approached a woman The actual stat is that 45% of men between age 18-25 have never approached a woman for a date. That's not the same thing at all. Plenty of men who don't ask women for "dates" have met women socially and hung out/hooked up and formed relationships that way. You shouldn’t enter into a marriage for financial reasons. This is one of the best reasons to enter…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 09:39 PM
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The opportunities are plentiful. The incentive is pooling wealth and other resources in order to be able to afford stuff like housing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 09:33 PM
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The percentage of single women in the U.S. is projected to increase by 1.2% annually from 2018 to 2030, compared to a 0.8% increase in the overall population. This shift is expected to result in 45% of women aged 25 to 44 being single and childless by 2030, up from 41% in 2018. It sounds alarming when you lump every single woman from 25-45 into the bucket, but it's only a 4% projected increase. I used "married" as a stand-in for men entering into their long-term monogamous partnership, but this …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 09:30 PM
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The 63% figure isn't being "walked back". It was never a stand-in for "struggling" or "desperate" or whatever else you might like to project onto it. The fact that is includes 18-29 is already ridiculous given that singleness skews heavily toward the younger end of that range. The average age of marriage for men is around 30 and most men end up getting married.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 09:22 PM
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It’s tragic because we are starting to see boy cried wolf type situations. Stop concern trolling. What "tragedies" are you witnessing lately?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 09:20 PM
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So you are proposing a conspiracy theory in the face of data you disagree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 09:16 PM
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Don't volunteer unnecessary and unkind opinions if you don't want to get pushback. Nobody cares about a random dude's opinion about their "bad" surgery. Just because redpill is more misogynistic, doesn't mean this place doesn't have a surfeit of misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 09:16 PM
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You're making this up and the data does not agree with you. Plenty of normal men have casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 09:12 PM
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project the misogyny No "projection" needed. Just a very cursory glance at some of the posts and comments. I was called misogynistic because I don’t find women who have bad surgery to be attractive No. You were called misogynistic because you felt it necessary to publicly volunteer this unkind opinion. If you keep stuff like that to yourself, nobody would have any problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 09:11 PM
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There is no equality between the sexes when it comes to childbirth so you are correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 09:07 PM
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This isn't a refutation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 09:06 PM
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Everyone is biased. Most normal people's bias is against virulent misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 09:05 PM
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There is nothing valuable about the conversations here. The "reddit leftists" are correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 09:03 PM
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This is the "debate a misogynist" forum. Of course normal people think it's toxic. They don't want to see that garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 09:00 PM
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How would a single man have regular sex? Hook-ups, casual partners, FWBs, situationship paying for it, etc. Is this what you think all single men do? Some of them probably lie, sure. I think one factors in the disconnect between the percentage of male and female singles in young adulthood is the fact that women consider themselves in a relationship whereas men consider themselves single when the reality of the "situationship" is something in between. Single men by and large are sexless and if th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 08:58 PM
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It's important because it's true. Are you denying the truth based on your lifestyle choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 08:52 PM
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Abortion arguments are about bodily autotomy and the biological reality of women having to carry a fetus to term. Men having to pay child support is not analogous.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 08:51 PM
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I know average guys and they have maybe a handful of women interested in them in their entire life. That's because most people are in committed, monogamous relationships for most of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 08:08 PM
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I thought 63% of men are choosing not to date or have sex You thought wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 08:06 PM
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Women also risk pregnancy by having sex. Women having the choice to abort once this occurs is a separate argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 07:58 PM
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Can you be more specific please. All of your examples and more. You can probably figure it out. confidence is detached from competence, can you please tell me what the self-assuredness is supposed to refer to exactly? Confidence in whatever level of competence the individual may possess. You seem to have a weird thing where you believe everyone is calibrating their own self-assessment to some objective or global standard, but that's generally not the case. Some people feel good about themselves …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 06:41 PM
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What are you confused about, exactly? And why is this one person a representative of "women" in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 05:56 PM
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can you please define "outward displays of confident behaviour"? Speaking up in social settings. Actually going out to social settings. men lack confidence because they're incompetent, not the other way around This simply is not true. There are tons of competent men who have social anxiety, who are shy, or who just have a reserved and humble personality. Social "confidence" is buffered by competency, but it's its own independent personality trait. social hierarchies exist Social hierarchies are …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 05:31 PM
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1) It is extremely rare for a person to be competent in something and still lack confidence in their abilities. We are talking about outward displays of confident behavior in social situations. The point is that guys who have skills, abilities, and assets might still make themselves small in these contexts. they don't need to fake their ability to charm women if they can actually charm women They often don't know what they are capable of if they are not putting themselves in a position to try. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 05:18 PM
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I just don't agree that confidence and competency are as coupled as you believe. The reverse case - people who are competent but not confident - reveals this. There are plenty of reserved, humble, shy, anxious, etc. men who don't behave as confidently as their competency would predict. Telling these guys to "fake" that part of the equation isn't setting them up to expose themselves as frauds. It's advice to get out of their own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 05:01 PM
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Instead those men are ostracized According to this forum, these are the men who are preferred over "nice guys" who get ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 04:57 PM
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No. You don’t have to be excellent to be loved, happy, or fulfilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 06:46 AM
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Your premise is fundamentally flawed since most people aren’t worried about vague nonsense like “wasting genetic potential” and instead just want to carve out a bit of love, fulfillment, and happiness in a chaotic world.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 06:08 AM
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The term "concept" refers to ideas. A theory is collection of ideas about how the physical universe operates. But the theory is not the physical universe or its objects or its operations. It is a construct of the human mind. This is very basic philosophy. If you continue to pretend to not understand this, I have to conclude that you are trolling and I'm going to stop responding. Gender is the human word used to describe one of the two choices given to us by what we call "biology" You are clumsil…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 06:33 PM
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incomplete understanding of the how the device operates This is the realm of engineering, not science. But this is also false. You can believe incorrect things about how the device operates and still have it operate correctly. The history of technology is full of examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 06:27 PM
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no it is not. It quite literally is. You seem to believe that something which is a "concept" is somehow not real. is truly insane according to science. "Science" disagrees with you. Gender is a social phenomenon which has much more variance than the bimodality of sex chromosomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 06:25 PM
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it works because of our COMPLETE understanding No. An incomplete understanding is often sufficient for technology to work. I just gave you a basic example using classical mechanics (incomplete) and relativity (more complete).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 06:24 PM
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not relevant tho again. Focus. This is literally the crux of the discussion. You do not know the difference between a concept and an object. "Biology" is not an object. "Biology" is a concept. Learn about chromosomes Chromosomes determine sex which is related to gender but is far from determinative. Gender is a social construct.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 06:21 PM
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No, it works because our incomplete understanding/modeling of the operative principles is sufficient for it to work. Understanding classical mechanics is enough to get a plane to fly but an understanding of relativity is necessary to get satellites to operate properly. Planes flying was not "proof" that classical mechanics was correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 06:16 PM
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You can pick ANY WORDS you want And the words we pick will refer to objects or concepts. Can you point to a "soccer" like you can point to a "horse"? it is literal biology proven by science "Biology proven by science" does not say there are only two genders. You are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 06:11 PM
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Science is fundamentally an inductive enterprise. There is no "proof" only theories which more or less accord with available evidence. The idea that you think I am talking about quantum mechanics and not just basic epistemology shows how out of depth you are in this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 06:08 PM
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the words we use do not matter. What the words are referring to is what matters, here. Soccer is a concept, not an object. Soccer is not like a horse. Two genders for DNA This is nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 06:05 PM
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You still are not grasping the basics. "Chair" and "potato" are objects. "Soccer" is a concept. Do you not understand the difference? And no. There is no "fact" to your woefully incomplete account of sex and gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 06:00 PM
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There are no "proven" ideas in science. There are theories which are supported by evidence, but nothing is ever certain. The fact that a concept has evidentiary support does not make it less of a concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 05:55 PM
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"A science" is not a material object. It is an idea. Are you trolling?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 05:53 PM
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There is no object referent for the term "Biology". You cannot point to a "Biology" in the same way you can point to a "tree" or a "dog". "Biology" is the scientific study of life. It is literally a concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 05:48 PM
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This reply is so ridiculous I’m pretty sure you’re trolling. “Biology” is literally a concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 05:41 PM
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You think that something isn't real because it's a "concept'?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 05:00 PM
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Ok, have you considered the proposition that the vast majority of women have professional and educational requirements of potential male partners? Do you think the guy in the video just crawled out of a sewer? He's obviously college-educated and probably has a career he's put on hold for a moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 04:59 PM
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It's much more about cultural/status compatibility than it is pure $$$. We have no idea what this dude has accomplished before his decision to temporarily stay home. He's an articulate white dude in a big city so I assume he's at least college educated and probably could have a nice white-collar job whenever he decides it's what he wants to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 04:57 PM
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Who randomly asks people if they date fat women? That’s never anything anyone has to worry about. And men are “allowed” to express preferences disgustingly, too. They just will receive pushback.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 02:06 AM
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Women don’t complain that women aren’t allowed preferences. So the relevant group we are discussing is men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 02:01 AM
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They don't know the totality of your preference Ok. But they still have a general idea. Even the vocalization of preferences suffers from this caveat so it's not even a valid refutation. Now you're talking about how those preferences are expressed That is the gist of the gripe. Men who complain that "men are not allowed preferences" are the same men who vocalize their preferences in a disgusting manner and receive pushback. Or they are the men who observe this in action and are unable or unwilli…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 01:59 AM
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it only seems to be a problem You just said it's a problem when women do it. I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 01:54 AM
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The only way you know someone has preferences is by them vocalizing them False. People can observe your preferences by what you actually choose. You are complaining about pushback from preferences being vocalized, publicly, often in a vile, demeaning fashion. This is not the same thing as judgment about simply having preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 01:53 AM
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This is a ridiculous story. Does the husband/wife of this "married mom" know that she is "seeing" you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 01:48 AM
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No, the post is about being “allowed” to have preferences. It’s not about the consequences of verbalizing those preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 01:43 AM
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“Fat phobia” is generally cited as a sociological ill rather than as a cudgel with which to beat individual men. Nobody will know you, personally, are “fat phobic” unless you are loudly proclaiming contempt for fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 01:39 AM
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Those women are bad, too. What’s your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 01:37 AM
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This is so obvious that I have to think that they are feigning ignorance when they claim to not understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 12:26 AM
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They get pushback for proclaiming the preferences publicly in the most vile, demeaning, and dehumanizing manner possible and they claim this means they aren’t “allowed” preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 12:24 AM
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Serial killers Famous serial killers get (a relatively small amount of) fan mail (from mentally ill women) because they are famous. Famous men who are not serial killers get far more fan mail. meeks didn't aproached women as who bail him out This is indecipherable, but "Jeremy Meeks" is one dude. The statistics on this stuff are based on trends averaged out across representative samples, not extraordinarily handsome men. Again, "aggression" is a personality trait which is conducive to meeting an…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:19 PM
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Fat men aren't allowed to data "non fat" women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:03 PM
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Net any "attraction" aggressive men are always going to be captured by these sorts of metrics as "more successful" because they are the ones who are more likely actually approach and proposition women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:01 PM
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political agendas Yes, "political agendas" like "some kids have 2 dads and that's ok". learn critical thinking skills That's the point at which they reject your "traditional conservatism", so I'm all for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:47 AM
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not a good look overcome 5 days of whatever crap the school board has approved in their social justice / feminist / LGBTQWERTYUIOP+ This bit makes you look very sane and tolerant.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:35 AM
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written down on motherjones.com Is this your roundabout way of identifying scientific consensus?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:30 AM
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People who believe ideas are correct because they are "traditional" or "written down in this thousands year old book" are generally wrong. Why are you defending these people?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:13 AM
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im not in the mood to defend the indefensible I wouldn't be either.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:01 AM
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To facts. "Traditional" and "conservative" ideas are both usually morally repugnant but also generally unsupported by evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 02:51 AM
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You seem to think they are losing the battle of ideas because the ideas are not being disseminated properly and not considering the impact of the fact that the ideas are also wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 02:42 AM
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Sorry. That’s sucks. But you shouldn’t be obsessing over it here of all places. The place is unhealthy even for people who don’t take it seriously. I’m taking a break. You should too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 03:20 AM
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Have you been?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 03:15 AM
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You have no business prognosticating on the likelihood of an entire gender cheating when you are here feverishly crafting your erotica about the scenario. It’s gross and absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 03:09 AM
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Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 02:46 AM
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21 isn’t the upper bound of “healthy”. Stop posting this nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 02:44 AM
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How do you know they’re “taken”?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 02:44 AM
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I've never cheated Neither have most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 02:23 AM
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A ton of those people were lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 02:18 AM
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Too much sharing can be bad for the relationship. However, there is an argument that blanket “no sharing” policies enable abusers who want to isolate their partner from outside support.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 02:12 AM
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where only “good, kind, non misogynistic men get laid” No. You’re deliberately misconstruing what is actually said. That is: “if you are bad, unkind, and misogynistic you are more likely to struggle especially if you are not exceptional in some other way”.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 11:12 PM
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It’s not about “exposure”. It’s based on disclosure in surveys.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 06:04 PM
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nonsense So you made it up? Men cheat more based on the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 05:51 PM
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Mamoa and Chalmalet are both 1% guys. But the logic of their different types being attractive applies all the way down to normal people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 05:35 PM
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Men can get prostitutes though, but men don't cheat with them Plenty of men do. Women outrightly cheat more Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 05:33 PM
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A cute emo chick can simply be a cute business woman with a change of make up and outfit A ton of dudes don't prefer "cute" though. They think that "cute" is some sort of lesser level of attractiveness below "hot". They would completely ignore the "cute" woman with the pretty face in favor of a plainer-looking woman who has a more voluptuous body. Preferences vary.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 05:29 PM
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"Proven" what? A negative?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 02:50 AM
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How do you know the allegations were false?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 02:24 AM
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You cited it as a “compelling battle” lol. Get off the high-horse.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 11:08 PM
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Sure. But that's the "expectation" of a certain kind of violent cretin. It's not a general expectation that any reasonable adult needs to take seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 10:54 PM
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expected to be able to fight other men on the street Wut
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 10:44 PM
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In that rare case it would come down to whether or not the woman would cheat. Most probably wouldn't, but then again "woman who has a celebrity crush and deliberately encounters and flirts with him" is not a representative sample.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:54 PM
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No, they would not. Because it would be incredibly rare that there would be mutual attraction as well as mutual interest in doing something about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:49 PM
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it only applies to men Does it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:38 PM
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Not with celebrities is the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:28 PM
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You see this in reddit comment sections?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:00 PM
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See what?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:54 PM
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Not just "women" but 30+ married women, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:52 PM
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This is all nonsense. You're basically whittling down your scenario to something which isn't really about "celebrity fantasy" and just mundane cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:22 PM
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Celebrities do indeed hookup with fans These "fans" are generally aspiring or up-and-coming models, actors, entertainers in their own right. Not just ordinary married women over thirty. what if someone is a local celeb. Or an internet celeb Do these people have concerts and take autographs?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:18 PM
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I like how you think ordinary "wives" are the women who "celebrities" hook up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:13 PM
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Just take a time machine back to college and marry one of those dudes Let me make a non-weird assumption about this completely reasonable advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 12:26 AM
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No, you had no idea what you were talking about and are now getting upset because I called you out on your nonsense reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 12:23 AM
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The comment you responded to was about struggling to find a man with those qualities. Your response: "find them in college" misses the point entirely. It's not about "finding" them for a short-term thing. It's about finding a life partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 12:17 AM
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I don't know the last time I saw a guy under ~6' with a girlfriend in public. You are lying or you don't go outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 12:11 AM
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Do most people want to settle down in college?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 12:10 AM
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that's easily debunked How?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 12:09 AM
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This lady is in her 30s. There are plenty of men who could date that much if they wanted to be dating for a decade and a half. But they are in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 12:09 AM
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Why would they necessarily be dinner dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 12:06 AM
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21 is not the upper bound on "healthy" BMI. Stop posting this nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 09:51 PM
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even Chris Evans Why is this an "even"?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 08:14 PM
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Nobody reasonable is saying anything about the earth being "doomed". Again, you aren't paying attention to what people are saying while at the same time acting bored/superior. It's baffling behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 08:08 PM
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So then your point about people just shutting up at some point is asinine. It's never not going to be bad to put more CO2 in the atmosphere just as much as it will never not be the case that we will be dealing with the fallout. Grow up.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 07:38 PM
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You aren't paying attention. The "act now or it will be too late" is about certain thresholds of atmospheric carbon and the amount of heating/sea-level rise which are predicted to result from this in the near future. They are not talking about "acting" on the massive humanitarian crisis which will result from these climatic changes. This is only just beginning and will be something we will all be dealing with for centuries.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 07:29 PM
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So that after we've reached that year and haven't solved it by then, we don't need to do anything anymore since it's all lost. This makes zero sense. There's the dealing with the amount of CO2 going into the atmosphere and then there's the dealing with the effects of that. Where in this scenario is there a point where we "don't do anything anymore"?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 07:24 PM
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This is an "idea" that you made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 06:40 PM
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Prior infidelity, severe/untreated mental illness, addiction, contempt, lack of affection, lack of respect, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 06:32 PM
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And probably every single person that got defrauded probably thought the same and still got fucked over No, there are generally massive red flags when it comes to something as egregious as a woman passing off the children of another man as her partner's. This is not normal behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 05:09 PM
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This is true for certain individuals of both genders and it's not true for others.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 01:56 AM
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What is the "true nature" of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 01:46 AM
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People are "unhappier" now because (a) they are more educated so they are able to critically think about their circumstances, (b) they no longer believe in religious fairy-tales, and (c) they have the burden of the very real opportunity to better their circumstances coupled with the realization that it will often take a ton of effort/sacrifice. It's a matter of increased responsibility and higher standards which is ultimately a good thing for creating more complex, actualized, and free human bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 01:43 AM
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“Objectively” worse how? People have things like rights and stuff now, lol. I’ll trade take that if the drawback is living in a world where we know heaven isn’t real and social media is addictive. There are plenty of happy people in relationships if you need a template on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 01:36 AM
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Why is your upper bound 21, lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 01:32 AM
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Modernity in general has been an experiment in trading what is captured in surveys as "happiness" (contentment, satisfaction, certainty, etc.) for freedom. The drawbacks of modern romance that you cite are a component of this. As a modern person with modern sensibilities, I think prioritizing freedom is ultimately more ethical and less condescending regardless of the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 01:23 AM
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That's just not how any of this works. Aside from the fact that the caste divisions will never be anywhere near this clear, the features which make men and women popularly attractive, respectively, are often at odds with one another. And "attractiveness" is as much or more a function of class, wealth, and upbringing as it is genetics. Right now we are seeing more and more UMC and wealthy people forgoing and delaying having children so tons of your "giga" whatevers aren't even going to be having …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 11:40 PM
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Many male blood lines will die out within the next hundred years because very few men will pass on their dna This is an absurd prognostication. This means future humans will be very diverse: 6 4 muscular chads but also 5 5 pot bellied muppets. Nature seems to favor inequality This is not how genetics works.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 11:33 PM
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In other words, there is no basis for that definition, sir. What "definition"? It is clear we'd want success of a society to be a byproduct of morality, not the reason for it Who is "we"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 11:30 PM
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Morality is a universal, human construct which is useful for constructing society. Provisions against rampant "might makes right" is a component of moral codes at all scales due to the fact that the logical end of this kind of behavior dissolves society. There is no necessity for religion to be brought into any of this, though it might be argued that it makes or has made it more persuasive in certain contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 11:16 PM
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No, it's not the words, it's how they are strung together. You seem to tacitly accept and then regurgitate so much nonsense that it's difficult to find a place to begin a response. It's a brain pickled in evo-psych, manosphere, and Jordan Peterson psycho-babble warmed-over with a dash of naturalistic fallacy. Word salad.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 10:58 PM
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Word salad.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 10:53 PM
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Her husband is also a professional athlete in an extremely competitive sport. That whole “controversy” was so stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 10:16 PM
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So…unsupported opinions from randoms?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 08:15 PM
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according to analyses on here Which "analyses"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 08:07 PM
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Yes. Just like nobody would begrudge a man a test if their partner had recently cheated. This is not a refutation of the general distaste for a request for testing in committed, monogamous partnerships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 07:14 PM
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None of these are random samples. The weaselly "confidence is relatively high" is simply based on the fact that these fathers did not seek out paternity testing. We have no idea what their actual confidence was.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 06:57 PM
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I can find examples of the media reporting on people being eaten by alligators, too. That does not mean that it is a normal occurrence or something than most people need to be worried about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 06:42 PM
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lol @ "all of the time" No, they are not. They are news stories precisely because they are rare and/or egregious screw-ups. I don't disagree that the state doesn't really care who is paying as long as they have someone on the hook. But there are all sorts of safe-guards in place for a reasonable/responsible man to get out of paying if they aren't actually the father.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 06:25 PM
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Yes. They are testing for things which are important and mandatory or less important and elective.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 05:52 PM
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Your response suggests that you do not understand how averages work.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 05:52 PM
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It doesn't necessarily make "a" woman less happy. Do you know how statistical averages work?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 05:44 PM
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The only reason that case is newsworthy is because it's a rare example of a disastrous bureaucratic screw-up that probably will be resolved.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 05:43 PM
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The administrative and legal overhead that would accompany this sort of massive testing initiative would not be cheap.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 05:41 PM
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but it's not beyond a reasonable doubt unless she genuinely doesn't know how sex works You have much more faith in the general population - especially the clueless young people who are typically embroiled in these sorts of out-of-wedlock paternity debacles - than is warranted.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 05:39 PM
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The science shows women are happier single I doubt this. And even if it's true, it's only about the average tendency.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 05:36 PM
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These "why do all women do this" posts are always a fascinating look into the bizarre experiences of the individual making these generalizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 05:34 PM
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because people have obvious reasons to lie to the surveys This doesn't happen to a significant unknown degree. People study this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 03:59 AM
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My bad. Mistook you from the original commenter in the chain.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:57 AM
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You can look at the cheating data then You literally said that you believe that "most" people cheat. This is not what the data say.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:43 AM
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That's an insane way to approach reality. This is literally why science exists. Your own perception and experiences are but a sliver of existence and are not at all necessarily representative.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:16 AM
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I'm sure people cheat. I don't believe it's nearly as ubiquitous as believe due to your personal experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:06 AM
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It "proves" nothing of the sort because it's not actually data. It's staged and/or cherry-picked clickbait.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:05 AM
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loyalty test videos Are you really appealing to some sort of braindead TikTok trend as "evidence" of something about reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 01:55 AM
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Tons of men pay to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 01:51 AM
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Right. You don't care. Why are you assuming most women care but not most men?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 01:49 AM
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I haven't seen this at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 01:49 AM
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I'm calling it an artifact of your perspective not a feature of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 01:40 AM
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3/4's of women would cheat if they could get away with it. You just made that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 01:39 AM
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How do you know which of these women is single or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 01:38 AM
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You think "most men" would be happy to have their partner snoop on their phone?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 01:37 AM
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Sounds like projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 01:36 AM
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as you already know, its harder for me to date Do I know this? when he gets cheated on, he has nobody else Ridiculous generalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 01:35 AM
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Why do women require "emotional connection" with the man from an evolutionary perspective?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 09:20 PM
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I think they meant to put a "could" in there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 09:18 PM
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since women have a higher reproductive cost(pregnancy), that's why they need some emotional connection with the guy How does this make sense? Wouldn't the evolutionary pressure be on men to fall in love with women in order to help them during pregnancy and childbirth? The woman is going to take the help she receives regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 09:15 PM
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It’s used as an “insult” against a certain kind of misogynist. We’ve been over this already.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 07:05 PM
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There is no reason to come to the "debate a misogynist" forum and take the side of "misogyny" aside from being a misogynist. "There is no reason" means "there is no good reason". LOL @ you replying to someone saying "there is no good reason to kick a puppy" with "well the reason is the person is a sadistic psychopath - checkmate!".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 06:57 PM
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It's obviously not literally "every single time" but that's true about anything on the internet. We're talking about what generally happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 06:55 PM
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Just because this "debate misogynist" forum exists does not mean we cannot judge the men who come here to represent that side of the discussion, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 06:44 PM
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Never seen it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 06:01 PM
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The strange thing are the people who ostensibly care because they see it as a sociological datapoint of grave significance. But they are also the ones who don't believe the actual data and instead invent stuff like "you have to multiply what women say by 10" based on their feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 05:59 PM
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There is no reason to broadcast that preference. It's basically assumed. It's just an excuse to denigrate and dehumanize women they see as beneath them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 05:55 PM
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A man who will never consider a woman who does sex work The "incel" bit is the fact they think it is necessary to come to a public forum and broadcast that preference in the most degrading and derogatory manner possible. Nobody cares about normal men who keep that preference to themselves and don't dehumanize women who don't meet their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 05:50 PM
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Beliefs and argumens do not have to be misogynistic in order for an incel insult to be thrown around Yes, they do. I've also seen women who insulted men like that while they were being misandrists themselves. Ok. Those women are bad, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 05:15 PM
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whose beliefs and arguments oppose to their own Whose beliefs and “arguments” are tantamount to vile misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 04:58 PM
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This doesn’t happen. The term gets lobbed at misogynists.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 04:57 PM
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That term is generally used as a critique at the societal level rather than something lobbed at individuals barring extreme comments or behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 04:25 PM
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lol @ "cross-section" This is the "debate an unhinged misogynist" forum. Let's not pretend you are getting a representative sample of male opinions. My analogy stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 10:39 PM
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It's not a real story.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 10:02 PM
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I'm inclined to believe that most guys with redpill flair on here talking about their female "friends" are talking about some influencer they follow, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 09:54 PM
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This is like going to a white nationalist forum and taking their "bad experiences" with black people as some sort of evidence that black people are bad. It's a motivated, unrepresentative sample.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 07:08 PM
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People don’t have to be “above average” in any objective sense to have friends or relationships. Stop. Go outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 05:45 AM
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Yikes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 05:05 AM
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Do you believe in God?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 04:59 AM
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Our western societies today are so insanely competitive that you need to exceed the average person in order to be seen as worthy for relationships, friends, etc. This is just obviously false. Have you been outside?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 04:55 AM
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Whenever these posts come up I can’t help but interpret “sharing vulnerability” as something akin to “sharing extremely offensive reactionary political opinions.” i shared with her my unpopular opinion that most women think like children and shouldn’t be allowed to vote she threw it back in my face :(
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:28 PM
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What is your evidence than any of that is true?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:05 PM
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Your understanding of the world before “civilization” is facile and absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 06:50 PM
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This is quite literally, nonsense. Speak plainly: how is a dude a "cuck" when his partner uses a sex toy? Words have meanings.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 06:28 PM
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Being “addicted” to anything is bad, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 06:02 PM
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aka endorsing for men to be cucks one step at a time How is a dude a “cuck” in this scenario?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 05:59 PM
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The only “data” necessary to refute this nonsense is gesturing vaguely at the vast majority of men of all heights who eventually end up in a long-term, monogamous relationship with a a woman. No need to dredge up obscure Dutch studies about what female “speed daters” volunteer about their ideal height preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 05:51 AM
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Even worse. The representative sample of women known as “speed daters”. Also, “preferences” are not the same as “requirements”. And lol again at trying to slip Dutch data in.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 05:38 AM
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lol you guys are so dishonest. Cherry-pick data from researcher “Gert Stulp” from the Netherlands (aka Land of the Giants) to generalize about height preferences. Get out of here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 05:21 AM
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It’s funny because I’ve seen reactionary/manosphere types deploy the exact opposite of your “grandfather” anecdote as they fawn over random pictures of WWII navy lineups, extolling the virtues of the chisel-jawed Chads and bemoaning 21st century soy and obesity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 03:55 AM
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All of the men chiming in with examples of them and their buddies living a spare, ascetic, single lifestyle of takeout trays, dim lights, and unused rooms are completely missing the point. Women aren’t complaining about how difficult it is to share chores with a shadowy monk. They are talking about the explosion of mess and chaos that comes with having a home with children.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 03:13 AM
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The “only” men you cite are a gigantic group depending on how you define it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 01:52 AM
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The upside of “options” are assessed in the context of their utility and the risks involved. There is nobody who needs $100 enough to take a 1/1 million chance with death as the alternative. The extreme example was to illustrate the fundamental stupidity of the idea that “options” are always better than no options when the “option” is a gamble.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 11:55 PM
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What… Having the “option” to gamble your life on a 1/1,000,000 chance of making $100 isn’t better than no option. It’s simply a potential hazard for someone with poor risk assessment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 11:29 PM
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You live in California so your mortgage/ property taxes/ etc for a $800k 2 bedroom condo in a nice area is $5500 a month lol wut
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:44 PM
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humiliating and degrading That's a bit extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:43 PM
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Right, but proclaiming your allegiance to an internet cult with such great hits as "women are the oldest child in the house" probably isn't going to go over as well as just going to the gym and having a good frame or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:29 PM
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I expected that you'd pretend she's cool with it. Thanks for being honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:25 PM
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I know they were mistreated. These men live in a world built for and run by men. Any "mistreatment" is downstream from that. Yet they almost exclusively take their anger out at women in general. They are cowards and bullies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:23 PM
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men are used in every relationship with women Based on what?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:20 PM
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Where it goes off the rails is when people claim a majority or most women require a man to be 6’+. Most women prefer a man who is taller than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:19 PM
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Does your LTR partner know you call yourself a “red pill man”?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:17 PM
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Drake’s lyrics are steeped in misogyny. Not sure why women would cite him as a favorite.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 04:19 PM
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I don't think I've met anyone who is an Android user.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 04:07 PM
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Women who "expect" 6-figures are typically women who also make 6-figures. It's 2024, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 06:59 PM
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Most people expect their partner to have a job, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 06:28 PM
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Marrying a woman with equivalent wealth/income allows for much more purchasing power when it comes to investments like property.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 06:26 PM
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risky for the man she can claim non-consent at any time "Risky" how? You think law enforcement is going to take this sort of a claim seriously or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:22 PM
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I've never seen this. Probably 80%+ of posts complaining about "bum" partners are from women so it's natural that the sympathy will be for the person who is able to frame the story.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:07 PM
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According to women, they should be thankful for who they end up with, even if she's a disgusting old fat single mother slob How is this random aside the the prevailing opinion of "women"?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:03 PM
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You can be "known" to someone (i.e. identifiable) as a member of a rival gang but not known personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 05:50 PM
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That's not at all a contradiction of my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 05:35 PM
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Most male v. male "violent crime" is committed between violent young men who are participants in or on the periphery of criminal organizations. This is like asking why the Komodo dragons don't appear to be as afraid of one another as a human being is afraid of the lizards.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 05:07 PM
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But then why is it reported that so many women are leaving and divorcing “good” men? lol @ “it’s reported”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 06:22 PM
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Women were literally not allowed to divorce despite appalling levels of abuse and neglect.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:02 AM
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They've had women of all shapes and sizes that come from every kind of walk of life lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:48 PM
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"nice guy" overly unassertive archetype These guys can also be in the category of "not good" men in different ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 05:32 AM
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In “real life” most men eventually form a long-term monogamous relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:46 AM
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There are plenty of normal men who behave badly in their relationships. The women who are complaining have tended to date these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:45 AM
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Some men do, some men don't. And again, it's not an "approach" if it's just mingling socially at an event.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:42 PM
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I don't think the "intentions" should be sexual or romantic, just casual and friendly and open to something else if there is a connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:38 PM
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The term is an internet colloquialism that very few people even have thought seriously about. The women who don't want to be cold approached are talking about the PUA stuff in the gym or grocery store not social events where people generally will have acquaintances in common.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:32 PM
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But your whole point of contention originated with your claim that woman "don't want to be cold approached" while refusing to consider that their definition of "cold approach" is probably much more in line with what they commentors arguing with you are saying than any strict definition you prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:24 PM
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It's the difference between (a) stalking and hitting on a succession of women in public as part of a pick-up strategy and (b) getting to know a woman naturally in the context of social event at which you both happen to be (and likely have mutual acquaintances).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:22 PM
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Your “existence” determines the sample of women with whom you interact.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 05:54 PM
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How is this a defense for the fact that women's ideas,likes and wants are determined by their social setting? The point is that this is a banal observation about human beings in general which will be more or less applicable to individual men or women. If you are interested in people who have alternative interests or lifestyles you need to do the work to participate sincerely in those subcultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 05:53 PM
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or "I don't care if my gf doesn't have sex with me". Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 06:24 PM
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this random, niche thing on my small island is massive!! Right. And as I said, the women who attend are generally just there to revel in the absurd spectacle of it all. And most male strippers are not employed by a production like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 11:34 PM
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It was a joke... But it's not even a logical conundrum. Gesturing toward the worm I dug out of the ground as evidence that the worm isn't a deep thinker doesn't mean that it is the worm's deep thinking which convinced me of its deficiency. You understand this much, hopefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:31 PM
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source? TikTok, ironically.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:56 PM
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Those aren't really the same because the proposed mechanism is different. Violent media doesn't cause violence but there is evidence that it leads to desensitization to violent stimuli. The analog would be that sufficient consumption of sexually-charge media could lead to desensitization in a sexual context.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:40 PM
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The answer is literally a 5-second search engine entry away. Why come here troll about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:30 PM
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TikTok is neither the format nor the platform for experiencing deep “thinkers”. It’s all about instant gratification from over-stimulation and ragebait.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:28 PM
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Yeah. Most male strippers are generally working for other men as the bulk of their income. The bachelorette party stuff is rather niche and it’s mostly just about goofy fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:23 PM
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Nobody says that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:22 PM
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Pretty sure “male strippers” aren’t exclusively working for women. I’d say that’s probably a relatively small portion of their clientele.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:21 PM
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i learn a lot from tiktok haha i follow all kinds of thinkers lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:23 PM
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Is he being "sarcastic" or is he deploying an exaggerated version of actual opinion for cover?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:18 PM
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You think the existence of extreme and niche sex toys has a significant affect on statistics about the general population?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:16 PM
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LOL at not reading I stopped reading the silly blog and went to the source that actually had information about the poll many comments ago. Keep up. Which previously you said they did once The average is four times to get it right (or give up). So yes, plenty of people got it right after messing up once. Again, none of this is evidence that more than half of the adult population "doesn't know how to cook".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:34 PM
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You're stubbornly quoting from your blog which (as we've been over already) doesn't actually cite any information about the poll. I mistakenly had assumed you'd done the work to find a better source. This is a much better source which includes background on the poll and its sponsors and provides full quotes: https://swnsdigital.com/us/2022/01/over-half-of-americans-admit-to-botching-recipes-that-should-be-easy-to-make/
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:24 PM
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well over $1.2 mil with a mortgage payment in the $9-10k range lol, wut. Is the interest rate on the mortgage 10%?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:15 PM
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On average, people will attempt to make a dish 4 times before getting it right or giving up completely You cut that part out. And none of this means that half of people "don't know how to cook". It might meant that half of people don't know how to cook everything very well or some other arbitrary standard. At least you're actually reading your sources now (if not correctly quoting them). This is progress.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:13 PM
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I’ve given you a poll where a website had held You gave me a link to a blog which editorializes a finding from that poll without providing any sources. A bit more digging reveals that the actual "data" concerned a list of "easy" foods which collectively 56% of respondents had messed up at one time. So for example, a person who has cooked everything perfectly for their entire life but one time messed up "eggs" would be included in the 56% which you have cited as the category of people who "do not…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:00 PM
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Significantly less spending on housing and food, yes, thank you! I don't think this is true. Most people cannot afford to purchase a home by themselves anymore. Pooling resources with a spouse allows for investment into a home which means building equity instead of throwing away money on rent. Food is also cheaper when bought in bulk.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:46 PM
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Single men do not need to eat or a place to live, got it. "Gifts" aren't necessary and divorce isn't inevitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:40 PM
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lol so if most people don’t cook… how are they building the skill then. According to your "source" they don't cook every single night. One could become a professional chef only cooking 5 nights a week. This is terrible logic. Do you think these people all can cook but for some reason don’t do the thing that costs less Do you not understand what "every night" means? People who can cook can also opt out a few nights a week. It’s also hilarious to see you downvoting cause I have sources. I'm not do…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:35 PM
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This does not in any way support the claim that "most people" do not "know how to cook". You understand this, right? Also, this is a question asked to individuals, not households. And finally, it's hilarious watching you scramble for bottom-barrel "sources" to support the ridiculous claim you obviously made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:26 PM
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"look at reddit" isn't an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:21 PM
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56% of people surveyed in a recent poll Source: someone's ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:20 PM
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Your false claim is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:14 PM
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less expensive than a marriage How? What does marriage cost? The filing fee for the paperwork?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:14 PM
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most women (and men) don’t even know how to cook anymore This is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:13 PM
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Why do women abandon men for bursting into tears after death of close relative? They don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:13 PM
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It might have cost her an academic career, because it does not appear that she ever had a full-time teaching career. If so, it would not be the first time or the last time a graduate student paid dearly for not delivering results that senior professors in their field expected. lol Here is a longer article taking a deep dive into the scholarly research on international dating Curated objectively by "lovescout.com". A very professional looking webpage covered in naked woman ads.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:07 PM
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How are “betas/doormats” a “societal group”? That’s completely subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 03:22 PM
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It's a boring, solitary, lonely, repetitive existence I write D&D adventures, I was nominated for an award this year. Doesn't make sense. You're exaggerating on one end or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 03:09 AM
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When do you have time for this award-winning writing given your gaming schedule?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 03:05 AM
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Why don't you take up a hobby that is more about creation than consumption? If you are young you could actually be really good at it in a decade or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 03:03 AM
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What do you think is the reason then? Most of the time, it's basically just sour grapes. They just want to try to demean or bring down a woman to make themselves feel better. Women who are "promiscuous" are generally happily seeing men who share their values.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 12:48 AM
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because promiscuous women are less likely to be loyal Let's not pretend this is the reason. And these "stats" basically boil down to the extremes (traditional religious people who are chaste and "loyal" due to religious communities frowning on divorce on one end vs. very free and lose outliers who are not cut out for monogamy). Most of the normal women who this critique is weaponized against are not going to be more or less inclined toward loyalty based on a handful more or less lifetime sex par…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 12:36 AM
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men's aversion to promiscuous women is regularly criticized by feminist women 9/10 times when this happens it is because an individual man has volunteered the preference in a vulgar and demeaning manner. This man is almost always himself someone with lots of sexual experience so it's a twofer of double-standards. Men who are chaste who desire a partner with a similar view on sex will not be criticized for this preference in the same manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 12:14 AM
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Being asked to consider the origin and meaning of preferences has nothing to do with denying someone a "right " to preferences. People are free to ignore the information and do what they want. As I mentioned at the outset: most of the angst around on this topic boils down to whether or not one is publicly volunteering information about their preferences and how it's being said. Same for the meta-discussion around preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:55 PM
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If a man was encouraging women to re-evaluate their standards on height and facial aesthetics I'd bet money that he would get called an incel Not at all, no. A man speaking about how preferences against short men, or transmen, or brown men, or neuro-divergent men, or bisexual men, etc. are socially conditioned and arise from all sorts of learned biases which we should be more aware of would not be labeled that. Someone who angrily lashes out against all women because of their supposed, unanimous…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:42 PM
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Those are complaints about bias, stereotypes, and representation on a societal scale. Nobody is claiming that is the responsibility of a given, individual man to modify his existing preferences. People may go as far as to encourage individual men to be introspective about these preferences, their origin, and how essential they are. But nobody is going to get individual criticism unless they are being loud and public about the preferences to a degree that is offensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:20 PM
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a lot of men are cottoning on to the bullshit triangulation and gaslighting many use to try and shame men for having standards When does this actually ever happen? Nobody gets shamed for "having" standards. People get shamed for announcing standards publicly in a demeaning, dehumanizing, or vulgar manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:12 PM
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Why do you think it would be hard to date as a feminist, if the simple solution is to strictly just date male feminists? Because there aren't necessarily a lot of them and if they are in demand then they are more likely to be taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 06:56 PM
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"Wifey material" is such a cringe meme. It's hilarious seeing random dudes on the internet deploy that in praise of some A-list celebrity woman as though their own standards would be or could ever be that exacting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 03:21 PM
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I know of nobody whose career was at all a thematic focus of their wedding. Truly bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 01:02 AM
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She answered the question from her perspective as woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 04:29 PM
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Women used to care about men's personalities and intelligence but not any longer This absolutely did not happen more in the past than it does today.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 06:27 PM
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very normal social media influencer
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 05:27 PM
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Right. The existence of funhouse, "red pill for women" communities does not mean this sort of thing isn't toxic, no matter who is expressing it for the public consumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 05:16 PM
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There is zero reason to "share" these sorts of preferences with anyone. It can only make people feel bad about themselves or people they care about - especially if it is stated in an insensitive or disparaging manner. Also, no. "Normal" women do not say: six feet tall, makes over six figures, is good in bed or well endowed, must be charming, fit, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 05:14 PM
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It's a rather straight-forward inference. Sorry if there aren't NIH databases about infidelity from the 1920s. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 03:51 PM
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You are claiming that it’s hard to believe that “many” men cheated on their wives at a time where the alcohol-fueled depravity of men led to an actual amendment banning the sale of booze. Ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 03:47 PM
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The United States literally outlawed the sale of alcohol at the beginning of last century because of depraved, drunken behavior of working men was leading to staggering levels of domestic violence and neglect. Rest assured that these men were not shy about also spending some of their drinking money (aka the money that was supposed to feed their children) on sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 03:41 PM
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You guys always just make stuff up in these posts. There are very few people in the comments justifying or defending this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 03:34 PM
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It's influential because it's a primary culture war cleavage in the US, not because we are in any threat of "carrying on" as a species.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:33 PM
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I am not here to be "convinced". I am here to push back against nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 06:57 PM
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There were always men who considered women to be human. The belief otherwise has always been based more on power and convenience than evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 06:52 PM
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"Meeting online" isn't just Tinder or even just dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 06:48 PM
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"Some" men did this. Not all men. There are probably 40% of men in the US alone who would be happy to repeal women's right to vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 06:46 PM
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Tinder is like 80% male and studies have routinely demonstrated that the people having by far the most casual sex are a small minority of men and women who are mostly sleeping with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 06:31 PM
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Most women don't want "casual sex and situationships" so how easy they are to get isn't particularly relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 06:15 PM
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From a male perspective, that should be just as much of a relationship ender as asking for the test is from the female perspective. The trust would be gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 03:24 PM
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I just don’t think this is true as a rule. There obviously is a certain type of very attractive person who fits the bill, but just a casual glance at the personal lives of many famous athletes and entertainers shows that most of them aren’t struggling and aren’t single.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 04:39 AM
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I don't believe this to be the case, I think you're just guessing. And I think you uncritically believe paternity fraud "statistics" collected by paternity clinics for and by their own clients. I'm sorry, when you get an STD test do you send those records to the state? Are "STD tests" mandatory for every person who gives birth?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 03:07 AM
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Then that obviously wouldn't be a problem I'm not arguing it's a "problem". This is a class of men who are often included in "paternity fraud" statistics despite this not being at all a relevant case. No, they wouldn't Who is handling these records if not the state?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 03:02 AM
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There are almost always red flags even when there isn't concrete evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 02:58 AM
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what is the amount that is too much Pretty much any amount is too much since it's (a) unnecessary and (b) something which any man can get done from the local pharmacy if he has suspicions. estimates of paternity fraud median out at 3.7% No. There are no reasonable estimates of the incidence because the sample of men who seek confirmation are not at all representative of men as a whole. Plus there are innumerable cases where the "father" on the birth certificate is not or may not be the biologica…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 02:55 AM
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No. Normal women with no red flags for cheating or a history of infidelity are asking to not be accused of that. You have no idea about the history between these two particular people. In cases where there is reasonable suspicion, asking for confirmation is a different issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 02:51 AM
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He thought the kid was his own. This doesn't mean that he had a normal amount of "trust" for the mother or that there wasn't a history of infidelity or other huge red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 02:42 AM
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You're giving OP too much credit. This is coming from a place of wanting to troll, humiliate, and inconvenience women. The distrust is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 02:39 AM
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What's one more ? A ton. For very little benefit. Plus it represents a huge government overreach since they'd have a record of every child's DNA + that of the father.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 02:37 AM
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Why are you "sure" about this? You have no idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 02:34 AM
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I am dismissing your absurd appeal to anecdote out of hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 02:07 AM
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Dude also looks to be around 80 in his daughter's graduation photo, so I'm not sure this is a "typical" relationship from which to extrapolate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 02:04 AM
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Yeah, the father thought she was his daughter. But that doesn't mean there weren't serious red flags or a history of infidelity in the relationship. In that case, it's not unreasonable to ask for verification.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 02:01 AM
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had zero right to question paternity because if they had no reason to question, they are accusing their wives of being whores Why are you assuming these men had "no reason" to question. Generally, this sort of thing doesn't just pop up out of nowhere. There is a history of infidelity or red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 01:54 AM
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I was able to find research corroborating the income claim (https://ifstudies.org/blog/husbands-with-much-higher-incomes-than-their-wives-have-a-lower-chance-of-divorce-) but nothing about the age-gaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 11:26 PM
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What do you think is the norm for married couples?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 11:07 PM
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I agree, it can be a multitude of reasons. But if they had more money, "financial issues" wouldn't exist. This is a strangely naive view. Stress from lack of money is generally a problem for people who are trying to stay out of poverty, but financial wellbeing is measured relative to personal and social expectations. Poor financial habits/decisions which lead to a relative decline in quality of life can affect a relationship at any level of objective financial security. The same is true of "fina…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 11:06 PM
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numerous married women respond that if they had to do it again, they wouldn’t get married, but also damn near every post brought up that they had to contribute financially. What does this mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 11:01 PM
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As a whole, the longevity of a relationship can be correlated by the distance in income and education between the man and the woman. Even if this is true (I am skeptical of the claim) it likely has more to do with conservative values and reticence to divorce for religious reasons than any sort of model relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 11:00 PM
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Women can earn damn good wages today and generally prefer their partner to make much more money than them Do they? I can acknowledge that people with similar or average wages get together all the time, but that's not what she wants Invalid assumption. One of the top reasons for divorce being financial reasons just means the man didn't make enough No. they expect their man to eventually earn enough to support them both No. A common shaming tactic after a break up with a guy who isn't well off is …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 10:58 PM
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You mistake my meaning. Saying there are people you can be friends with who would make poor romantic partners for you is not the same as saying that a person who is your romantic partner wouldn’t or shouldn’t also be your friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 10:40 PM
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The point is that most commenters are reacting negatively to the inhumanity of the OP. Nobody actually behaves this way in real life so that part is a bit moot. Nobody is saying he’s not entitled to do as he pleases.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 10:38 PM
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Most of the comments are saying the guy seems a bit inhuman and that he's probably have more success if he sprinkled in a bit more friendly interaction going forward. Nobody is denying his right to do what he wants with his time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:50 PM
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It's highly unrealistic. Most people are reacting to him being cold and unfeeling rather than his right to freely associate or whatever false equivalences are being made to women not being forced to have sex against their will.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:48 PM
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I had a friend say "You know, I would have totally banged your brains out when we first met." I jokingly said 'we can still do that you know?' Then she said "no that would be weird as hell. We're friends now.'' I think there is a mistake people make where they believe that aspects of personality that make someone a good or even a great friend are necessarily the same that they are looking for in a compatible romantic partner. In this case your friend likes you as a friend, isn't interested roman…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:40 PM
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It's made-up rage-bait: https://www.reddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/18haxb2/aita_for_telling_a_woman_to_leave_if_she_didnt/kd6mm05/
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:33 PM
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Yes, loads of people have as well. lol...no. Just no.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 08:29 PM
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Yeah, so very few brown people in this world of ours. Truly a crisis of "female mate choice".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 08:28 PM
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We already force men to financially support women they knock up accidentally. We force these men to support their own children.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 08:26 PM
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And younger people have even less than that on average. This isn’t a refutation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 07:55 PM
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Most people never really get their shit together, and every decade after just becomes harder and harder This just isn't true, generally. People amass more wealth each decade so life becomes easier in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:45 PM
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Being slightly drunk and enjoying it is the point for most people who are socially drinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 09:56 PM
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though I don’t like to drink Why? This is a huge impediment to socializing in our society.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 09:53 PM
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those idiots up their
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 09:50 PM
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Most people I see on r/DeadBedrooms are straight. Most people are straight. Gay and bi men get laid much easier than straight men. Homophobia often stems from jealousy over this, I believe This is a silly belief. Incels started a "transmaxxing" movement to not be straight males anymore No.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:37 PM
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why we dont have a men are smart bias There's certainly male competency bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:35 PM
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Boys are trending conservative Your own source suggests that the reporting on this survey is bogus clickbait. The chart gave the impression, at least on first glance, that two-thirds of 12th-grade boys were now conservative. In the small print beneath, Twenge noted that she had omitted moderates.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:23 PM
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Yeah this is crazy projection/sampling error.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 03:29 AM
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I remember having to memorize the ancient countries of Africa This isn't a thing. You failed the assignment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 08:06 PM
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Homophobic men (of which there are as many if not more than women) are also disgusted by bisexual men. They just aren’t trying to date them. They show disgust in other ways. I’d wager that a study/survey which looked at attitudes regarding friends or family or co-workers who have had same-sex relations at some time would reveal men as less charitable toward other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 12:14 AM
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It’s simply not the “gotcha” you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 11:26 PM
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You're delusional if you think that men don't also police masculinity on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 10:43 PM
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Are you just going to not have dick for the rest of your life? ...yes? If you are in a committed relationship with a woman, that's how it works. The dudes cheating on their wives are bad dudes and often bad dudes who are closeted gay men. They aren't cheating just because they are bisexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 10:41 PM
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...why would the dude be "visiting rest stops" if he's in a committed monogamous relationship? This is crazy homophobic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 10:31 PM
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Right. Men and women are both very homophobic. No surprise. The only reason men come off looking "better" here is because they don't actually take female bisexuality (or homosexuality) seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 10:23 PM
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Do you have a concrete example of this in action?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 06:02 PM
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Both posts are deleted. Most people are criticizing the OP in the first one for taking whatever their issue was to their school authorities so it’s clearly not a one-to-one comparison. These posts the allege “hypocrisy” never are, btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 08:15 PM
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if you hate being objectified so much by men, then why objectify yourself online Again, ignoring the assumptions that (a) it's the same women and (b) that they aren't actually concerned in the situation for their safety, there is still a massive difference between choosing to provide certain content for self-objectification (either for payment or validation) and being objectified against your will in a context or manner which is not of your choosing which you are not able to control. There is no…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 06:48 PM
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these women are bothered by the attention they get from men in public but are more than happy sharing their nudes for money You have no idea if these are the same women. Also, there is no hypocrisy in choosing to share certain content from the safety of your home vs. not wanting to be made to feel unsafe in public. Your whole comment makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 05:52 PM
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Every single guy who has gone to the gym is red pilled at least in that way. The "red pill" doesn't own going to the gym, lol. By definition if you have attracted a woman and kept her you have learned and implemented that part of the red pill. No.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:42 PM
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You are an out and proud “red pill man” so at first blush I an highly skeptical that you routinely interact with a diverse group of men with progressive and liberated attitudes. Further, I often find that the “red pill concepts” that are prevalent in the general population are simply common-sense ideas like “people like attractive people” or “exercise is good” which is all stuff that nobody denies. You won’t find vast majorities of men agreeing with stuff like “women are the oldest child in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:23 PM
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I said that they eschewed the “mainstream” ideas of competition. But truth be told, some subcultures really emphasize collaborative and cooperative endeavors and place a stigma on overt competition. Of course we can argue that there is competition to be non-competitive, but that’s a bit reductive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:20 PM
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I do find it funny that there are almost no blue pilled men Here. There are very few here. Because why would they be?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:15 PM
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There is definitely selection bias here based on who would bother to fill out a “subreddit demographics survey”.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:13 PM
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And in young couples today you almost never see a below average guy in a relationship This is just nonsense which would clearly be post-facto rationalized for whatever cherry-picked reason if any real-world examples were presented. Average guys might get some relationships but they're shit. Why do you think this? I have seen no evidence that the quality of the relationship that people have has anything to do with their "objective" attractiveness or proximity to the "top". That's such a bizarre n…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:58 PM
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I've never met a woman who only had 1 person interested in them This is a ridiculous claim. How would you know this?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:53 PM
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Because it's insane to believe that the average woman doesn't "give a fuck" about the man she is in a relationship with. It's also equally silly to believe that above average men necessarily are in relationships with women who give more of a fuck. It's all situational, but generally people care about their relationship partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:50 PM
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The average girl in your hometown would rather take her chances with the 1% guy Based on what?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:46 PM
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Yes, all women are in relationships with "men at the top". What solid logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:45 PM
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Because you have no other choice. No. There are all sorts of alternative/leftist/queer/artsy/etc. spaces where people happily reject the mainstream notions of success and competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:44 PM
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This is a huge problem and it's the reason why conservatism is so bad for men in general. These guys see blatantly unfair systems and instead of saying "let's avoid that" or "let's change that" they struggle futilely in an attempt to climb the ladder. Humiliation - both delivered and experienced is the central narrative of their existence. This is actually probably the key personality/outlook difference between why some "average" dudes struggle and other "average" dudes do not. The ones who are …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:41 PM
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Do people like you even grapple with the implications of things like freshwater sources drying up and depleting all around the world, soil fertility disappearing, fish stocks collapsing, and species being wiped out at an insane rate? These are all minor problems compared to most of the population literally not having rights less than a century ago. You sound like a bored white dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:20 AM
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These men aren't at all representative of the normal men who are in relationships with women who wouldn't cheat and then pretend the child belongs to their partner. They "check" generally because they have evidence of infidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 07:35 PM
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It's a reality thing. There are millions of men out there unknowingly raising another man's child(ren), with women they do trust. Stop. These men are not a random sample of all men in relationships. There are generally enormous red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 07:30 PM
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Logically speaking, there is no downside to paternity testing in secret. The “downside” is the potential for the partner to find out somehow and be upset about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 07:29 PM
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Just say she left with an attractive man. No need to bring in ridiculous jargon and the racist versions of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 04:53 PM
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That same woman left with a Tyrone and his girlfriend later that evening. Casual racism. Nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 04:43 PM
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I generally agree with your sentiments here, but as I recall, the second video from that post was a guy who was younger than “middle aged” and looked like he may have had some sort of intellectual disability. I think there is a separate conversation to be had about the risks/appropriateness of sharing social media videos designed to shame these men once we’ve acknowledged that the behavior is abnormal and often willfully disregarding of the woman’s feelings of safety/comfort.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 03:25 PM
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Raising standards will lead to these tests being less common, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:05 AM
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35 is an established cut-off for fertility No.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 09:09 PM
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https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/staring-on-tube-unhealthy-sexual-behaviour/
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 07:28 PM
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the whole “female rage” trend Touch grass.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:48 PM
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No, I mean the caring about the guy caring is the same as the people who are open about it. Caring about the number and trying to hide the number are both the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:14 PM
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You’re not realizing that the “caring about the number is a dealbreaker” crowd is as lefty/rare/online as the “open about the number” crowd. The prevailing notion in our society is that a high number is shameful.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 05:42 PM
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Women who are inclined to be “lie” about it probably have internalized shame and aren’t the ones who view a man being concerned about it as a dealbreaker in and of itself. Those women tend to be open about the information.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 05:27 PM
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If women actually saw men who cared as a reason to get rid of him, then they wouldn't feel the need to collectively all lie about it. It would be something they'd quickly tell everyone, to make dating so much easier to filter out the guys they don't like. These are different women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:57 PM
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I believe there are actually some places (UK, Canada, etc.) where certain kinds of persistent staring are considered illegal sexual harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:32 PM
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They are "allowed to" in the sense that it's generally legal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:26 PM
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Young men who are exploring and enjoying being single are less likely to be in relationships than men in general, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 03:37 PM
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The first link refers to a garbage, unscientific online survey by a marketing firm working with the rightwing rag, Daily Mail. There is no transparency in terms of methodology and results. At least the second link goes though some of these steps.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 03:35 PM
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and a study https://www.psychologytoday.com/za/blog/darwins-subterranean-world/201901/the-psychology-the-backup-boyfriend-or-girlfriend? shows that about 50 percent of women always have a plan B. Why are you making stuff up? Your own link actually says: So, when all is said and done, what are we looking at? I found that 20 percent of heterosexual women in committed relationships — one in five — will report having a Mr. Plan B.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 03:24 PM
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Not at all in the same social circles as the UMC, tech bros on this forum. But they'll still use the data/anecdotes to complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 03:17 PM
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I just think that the cultural attitudes are naive and stupid I think that the attitudes which lead to the stuff I like are stupid. Good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 02:29 AM
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Normally this role is assumed by a boyfriend No, it's generally assumed by a woman's friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 04:57 PM
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Yeah, it's a made-up boogeyman. Women want their husbands to be attractive and to have other good qualities on top of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 04:54 PM
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Sure. If he has some sort of burner account to like them that's different than liking them publicly which I am assuming the original woman is referring to since she is aware of the behavior. I can imagine someone having issues with this kind of private "curation" as well, but it's a different thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 05:09 PM
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Yes. It's (often) embarrassing to the woman you are in a relationship with if you are publicly liking photos of other women on your social media. It's a completely different issue than just browsing in private.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 04:54 PM
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I know you’ve seen plenty of studies on here showing the rise of sexlessness and partnerless of particularly young men There is a survey that the usual suspects like to spam which showed more male than female "sexlessness". Lo and behold a more recent survey comes out which shows that there are now more women than men who are sexless and for some reason this more current one never gets posted. Being "single" or "partnerless" isn't a indicator of someone struggling either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 04:53 PM
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He just does the typical male bullshit of following other women, liking their photos Why are you incapable of nuance? He's not just "scrolling" it literally says that he is "liking" the photos.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 04:48 PM
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if it’s getting this bad that it’s starting to make national news This is a misguided standard for how important an issue is. Topics make "national news" all of the time because they are sensational, emotionally-charged, controversial, and will drive views. Plenty of people know perfectly fine men struggling to date who are average in every sense of the word Dating has always involved a fair bit of struggle to find someone compatible and worthwhile. I have still not seen the evidence that there …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 04:37 PM
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Honestly at this point if we’re in a society that works this poorly for average guys in finding romance and love What is your evidence that we live in this society?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 04:23 PM
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This is ridiculous though because this kind of man isn't even close to the social circles of the UMC, techy dudes who congregate in spaces like this. They're not in competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 04:21 PM
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On average, yes. This is precisely my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 03:29 AM
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I find it weird how people treat them like an accomplishment People aren't bragging. People are sharing their experiences so taking antidepressants won't be as stigmatized and someone else who may need them may feel more comfortable seeking help.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 05:28 PM
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Teens can be jerks, but they are human beings you can interact with. I don't mean little kids as in 3+. I meant very young children - like babies. Little kids are rewarding once they become actual people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 04:47 PM
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Working in the office is easier than childcare It's not just easier, it's actually rewarding in a way that childcare for infants is not. There is actual adult social interaction/camaraderie, clearly defined goals, performance feedback, and tangible reward (income).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 04:38 PM
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when men raise kids by themselves they become productive members of society. When women raise kids by themselves they raise the worst in society There is clearly a massive sampling bias here. The circumstances under which a child happens to be raised by a single father are very unique and generally probably a situation in which a happily married man becomes a widower. The companion case for widowed women is swamped by the high incidence of out-of-wedlock births to single mothers which is strongl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 04:34 PM
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It's not about which is easier, it's about which is actually rewarding. Very young children are a ton of repetitive, lonely, maintenance-type work and don't give much back.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 04:27 PM
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That's really beautiful, man. Bittersweet.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 04:25 PM
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I love when you guys just search keywords and then dump a link without even reading any part of the article. From the summary: In 2002, there were significant differences between men and women in median number of lifetime sex partners with men reporting more lifetime partners. However, in the 2011–2013 data, these differences are no longer significant. The "changes" referred to here is an increase in the median number of lifetime partners for women. There is no evidence in this article for a "de…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 03:35 AM
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"Jenna and Shay" lol. You know three women who each have 5 children and get $40k/yr from the government? And yet you are some kind of millionaire programmer/entrepreneur who never has had a woman with whom you've experienced mutual attraction because you are like 1" below average height? Stop. Your stories are so cartoonish. Not sure why you enjoy just blatantly trolling like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 09:43 PM
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Here in canada I know a few women getting $40K/yr from the gov't for 5 kids they have. No you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 09:35 PM
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The programs are generally for children and the elderly and ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 09:02 PM
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If this society descends into polygyny, which it seems like it's going that way Based on what exactly? This is delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 09:00 PM
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that dude was fucking taken women like its nothing. Even if this is true, your mistake is assuming that the "taken" women that happen to cross this dude's path in situations where hooking up is a possibility represent a random sample of partnered women. This simply is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:08 PM
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Right. These groups see the oppressive hierarchy of society and posit remedies which boil down to “this is how best to climb higher” rather than offering anything approaching alternative or emancipatory visions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:22 PM
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I am not endorsing the humor or claiming it is in good taste, but part of it is that fact that it is male comedians making the joke. Key and Peele also can do race jokes that white comedians wouldn’t get away with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:20 PM
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The idea that men who rack up high lifetime partner counts are necessarily exceptionally attractive in any objective sense has always struck me as misguided. For one, this is very much a product of the time a given man has spent in committed relationships. A much more attractive man who is (committed and) partnered up from a younger age will have fewer lifetime partners than an average guy who is single for thirty years. Even a guy who is has very sporadic success over a very long period of time…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 06:36 PM
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Does anyone have an example of a woman suing another women for large amounts of money for the alienation of her husband? This is literally the example you linked.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 05:22 PM
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These are ridiculous numbers for the population as a whole. The thing is that you don’t hear from all of the happy couples because they aren’t posting angry screeds in places like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 11:39 PM
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This is just my theory, but I think Roe v. Wade wouldn't have been overturned if Instagram, OF, etc. didn't exist. Wut
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 11:36 PM
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Some do for a variety of reasons. No way you can generalize that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 10:47 PM
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updating our (USA) failing curriculum's to include something as minor as men's etiquette classes on how to dress fashionably and how to better attract a partner This is comically absurd, you understand this right? We can’t even shell out money for things like art, music, and sports in some places and you think that some “art of manliness” elective is going to receive anything but ridicule and summary dismissal? Get real.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 08:57 PM
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And - to your original point about social remedies - there are all sorts of foundations set up to combat things like heart disease, addiction to alcohol and tobacco, gun violence, and unsafe workplace conditions. And yet you pretend as though it's only women who are being looked after. Odd.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 05:33 PM
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This is a weak strawman, especially given that I made sure to point out the wealth and income differences between the median man and woman. But even who holds leadership positions is the same at every level you choose to look at. There are very few Elon Musks in the world, but the manager of the local retail store is far more likely to also be male.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 05:21 PM
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Your entire premise is flawed because the median man still has far more income and wealth than the median woman. And that's not even getting into which gender holds by far the majority of leadership, management, ownership, etc. positions in society. You are looking at remedies which are starting to have some effect at achieving equality and saying "whoa, whoa, too much, bro".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 05:09 PM
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Most?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 11:19 PM
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Women and men both bring something to the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 11:19 PM
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Meanwhile, a significant number of young women have never been expected to fulfill a traditional woman's role for a man in their lives. Even in your silly examples, being attractive arm-candy takes work. Femininity is a practiced role/process.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 11:10 PM
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She's a 19-year-old college kid. The middle aged, married, professor dude can't use "she came onto me" as a defense. Any of the bad stuff she is involved in (cheating the grade system; cheating in the marriage) is much worse for him because he has much more responsibility in upholding the virtues of both of those institutions. Anyway, it's ridiculous hyperbole that this is "lowest of the low" of any kind of behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:21 PM
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I personally think that sleeping with your professor for grades is absolute lowest of the low level behavior and one of the most morally compromised actions that a woman can take This is excessive. There are far worse behaviors. And in this case the professor's actions are considerably more immoral and worthy of condemnation given the age/power dynamic and the fact that he is married.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:10 PM
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Is the counter: "our brains never really stop developing" an exculpatory bit of information in this debate?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 08:18 PM
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I'm convinced that these dudes only see "bubbly, conventionally attractive social media influencers" as "women".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 07:40 PM
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Explain how men are "stripped of all choice for a relationship"?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:59 PM
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They are by definition abnormal, no? It's not a judgment about their character or value as a human being. But most normal adults can drive or take care of basic, practical adult stuff. And most normal adults don't have difficultly dating other normal people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:58 PM
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I think it's code for men expressing repugnant, regressive, offensive views and getting push-back.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:52 PM
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as if men aren't just stripped of all choice for a relationship "as if" this thing which isn't real is real? Everyone has choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:52 PM
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Most normal guys have relationships with normal women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:44 PM
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MGTOW doesn't advise forgoing socialization. They advise forgoing socialization with women. The lonely young guy asking for advice on getting a gf who has no friends, no job, and no hobbies aside from video games is a far more common trope.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:44 PM
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He used the word cheating No, he used the word "cheating" because that is exactly what he understands he is doing. He is betraying his commitment to a monogamous relationship with his wife. Comparing that to whatever nonsense you are making up about his wife's history is absurd. You can't have it both ways Your logic is nonsensical. The reality of sex work being work has nothing to do with whether or not someone having sex outside of their monogamous relationship is cheating. women say men aren'…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:42 PM
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It wasn't about "forgoing" socialization because it's advice that is given to people who are struggling with the basics and are asking why they are unable to socialize normally.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:32 PM
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Why is it so hard to imagine a normal man may have problems with attracting women? Because if this dude is actually "normal" then his problem is that he is having trouble attracting very attractive women, not just "normal" women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:27 PM
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Is seeing an escort cheating? The title of the linked post is literally "I'm cheating on my wife with escorts". So in this case, yes. I thought feminists say "sex work is real work" so it must be no different than stopping at Burger King on the drive home What kind of logic is this? How is the fact that escorting is "real work" somehow incompatible with the fact that a married man in a monogamous relationship seeing an escort constitutes cheating? Seriously. What is the logic? And women say all …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:24 PM
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You think women would "defend" a wife cheating on her husband with a guy over 6-feet tall because her husband is shorter?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:14 PM
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Nobody living in our society can expect to have "social companionship" without a career, hobbies, and some familiarity with mainstream media/culture so it's just a dumb, moot point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:11 PM
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I immediately knew you were full of it and one glance at your post history proved it. Try harder next time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 04:33 PM
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You: im a unique special snowflake who is above capitalist consumption Also you: post history full of naruto
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 04:30 PM
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Actively cultivating contempt for the stuff that occupies the majority of most people's time (career, hobbies, popular media, etc.) is a surefire way of guaranteeing isolation from most of these people. This is in fact a basic operational principle of cults (online and IRL).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 04:20 PM
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unphatomable
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 09:31 PM
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I’m curious to know what percentage of women you believe participate in “are we dating the same guy” social media groups?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 06:33 PM
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Women literally tore down the only male domestic abuse center in the world. That didn’t happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:46 PM
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Why were you in this woman’s space?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:45 PM
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Women here routinely comment that they only find 10% of men or so attractive That doesn't mean that they find the same 10% attractive or that the 10% is at all related to any objective measure of overall attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:06 PM
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"fan following" lol. It's a meme.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 03:59 PM
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I could very well make the same argument about a lot of the behavior women engage in That's literally what this comment thread is about. The top comment claimed that women are all about "groupthink", "trends", and someone to show off to their frenemies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 01:26 AM
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How do you know this detail?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 10:39 PM
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The man he admires most has 11. Pay attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 10:38 PM
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Even if that’s true, there is no evidence that most average women want that nor that they’d actually enjoy that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 10:22 PM
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Men who take to the internet with outlandish and offensive beliefs about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:12 PM
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A lot of women even let their friends suggest solutions to huge problems, like a friend influencing you(applicable women) to end your marriage or to have a child You guys are absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:04 PM
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she's saying that I get well in this dress wut
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:01 PM
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You’re arguing that average women have more access to causal sex? How is that a “better” sex life on average if the average woman neither desires or pursues casual sex and the ones who do generally are not enjoying the experience? Most average men are having regular sex and enjoying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 08:45 PM
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Why “25+”? Ideally you should start earlier than that. Also the idea that a breakup before then means character flaws is ridiculous. Things like career and graduate school often cause irreconcilable geographical challenges around that age.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 08:43 PM
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average women have better sex lives than even above average men By what standard? What a silly thing to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 08:37 PM
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I don’t think there is any evidence this is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 01:39 AM
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The opportunity to pay to cheat exists for all men. So yes, plenty of men have the opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 09:10 PM
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No. Plenty of men pay to cheat. That's a surer deal than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 09:06 PM
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The reason women think "all men cheat" is they are all tryna fuck the same guys Why would the Top 20% of men be more inclined to cheat?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 09:02 PM
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i.e. kindness and goodness are unsexy This is so obviously wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 09:02 PM
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basic personal hygiene healthy 19-21 BMI lol...good troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 07:00 PM
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You literally wrote that it did. Wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:06 PM
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What? No. Where are you getting this idea from?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:02 PM
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The idea that your weight has anything to do with the "blue pill" is absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:01 PM
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I def used to be blue pilled though evident by me even getting to 350 pounds in the first place Not sure who told you this was a requirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:56 PM
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because men are increasingly depressed and lonely and do worse in schools Not really. It's because men can make a ton of money in the trades, whereas an equivalent career-path that is more traditionally female (nursing, social work, etc.) requires college.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:53 PM
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That's the charitable view of that sort of a link dump. The uncharitable view is that its a form of Gish Gallop wherein the purpose of the mass of sources it to overwhelm any attempt at careful analysis and to convey the semblance of authority through sheer volume. It it often the case on here that people don't even bother to read the studies they link (selected based on searching some key words or the fact that it is a study routinely cited in on their "side") and when pressed, they are unable …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:28 PM
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This is ridiculous. What's your evidence for this claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:23 PM
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I recall watching my wife hang out with her friends , and whenever a picture of a dog / cat came up they all had to say “awwwwh “ in the same pitch. I can't imagine having this sort of contempt for my partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:22 PM
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That's a bit of a sweeping generalization. There are plenty of things of substance to learn from fiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:20 PM
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Women will always take n count numbers down while men always take them up. Doesn’t matter if the poll is anonymous. What is your source for this claim? That men, even anonymously, told them that 63% of them were single means the REAL numbers are likely far, far worse. Why is being “single” a bad thing? Single does not mean struggling. Ironically, a large percentage of the men who report that they are single are also the “Chads” you believe are sleeping with all of the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 03:22 PM
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You know more than one woman dating a man who has given them a boat?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 03:14 PM
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Dude wants to be a father.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 01:04 AM
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what % of avg women are living single sexless lives in their 20s vs men The numbers are pretty similar depending on the year/survey.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:29 PM
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Because historically only 40% of all males reproduced vs 80% of all females It's "historically" based on a very brief time-period right after the development of agriculture and settled living around 10,000 years ago. Given that humans have been around x10 as long as that, it has nothing to do with biology. It had more to do with patrilocality and the tenuous survival prospect of any one given group. And once we start DNA testing everyone, its going to become very obvious that the percentage of r…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 08:39 PM
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This is unhinged. What percentage of women do you think are represented by this characterization?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 08:05 PM
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If you have that stuff covered on your own then you aren't average.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 08:02 PM
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So you are generalizing from a small percentage women with strange ideas and behavior? The average age of first marriage is late twenties for women. A ton of women who are single past 30 intend to stay that way and aren't desperate for Chad or looking for a beta. Most single moms date/marry men who also have children of their own. The idea that they are snatching up clueless virgins is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:52 PM
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what basically increase it's rates. There is no evidence that this is the case. And even if this is true, there is also no evidence that there are more "negative effects" on society from having more single mothers with children who are somewhat adequately cared for than in your scenario when there will be a smaller number of single mothers who are raising children in abject poverty. no it's not the government directly doing it, isjust a company the government allow to use federal money doing it.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:50 PM
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Two average incomes go much further than one toward purchasing a home, providing for basic luxuries, and the costs of raising children.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:43 PM
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Women in their 30s are planning for a future where they will settle down with a "beta"?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:41 PM
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In nature This is never the preface to a serious argument. Humans live in societies with varying rules and standards around monogamy. so the sexual strategy women utilize involve acquiring sperm from the alpha fuckboy and resources from the beta provider Who? Who is "using" this strategy? It's odd that the women with the most freedom to "strategize" (i.e. wealthy, educated, high-earning women) are the ones who are least likely to have out-of-wedlock children with men who don't end up being prese…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:35 PM
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“Wives” and “feminists” are nothing close to mutually-exclusive categories.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:17 PM
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Those subreddits have a healthy mix of men and women users. Why do you guys always just drop the links as though it's an argument for this being a gendered issue? And again: "nice" does not equal "beta provider".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:07 PM
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Women generally aren't complaining about cases where the wife is "staying" home. It's cases where both the husband and the wife work full-time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 07:01 PM
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Why does "nice guy" = "beta provider"? Men and women both tend to date less seriously when they are very young and then look for something more seriously once they are established in their career.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:59 PM
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Get rid of welfare for single mothers. If women chose to fuck deadbeat criminals let them suffer for it, not the taxpayer. The welfare isn't for the mothers - its for their children. No child deserves to suffer because they happened to born into poverty. And pragmatically - given that criminality is associated with poverty, it makes sense to attempt early interventions for the good of society as a whole. Get rid of gender quotas, so we get talented men and not diversity hires. Is this a governme…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:57 PM
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Especially if that woman plans on finding a beta provider type in the future What percentage of women do you think "plan" on this? Sounds absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:45 PM
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“Would” is the relevant qualifier because it has to do with an individual’s character, values, and history. “Could” is just pedantry based on literally physical capability. It’s irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 05:38 PM
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you know that she could, which is a fact, because anyone could That's not how this works. There are some people who will never cheat because they have integrity. You can't act as though people who cheat in relationships are a random sample from all people in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 05:28 PM
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Old pre recorded cultures including the ancient indoaryan tribes followed this path intially How you know what they followed if they are allegedly "pre-recorded"?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 05:24 PM
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To be fair, looking like an older dude but having none of the wealth, experience, wisdom, or refinement of an older dude is the worst of both worlds.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:52 PM
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The “average” person does not believe the 10% myth. A subset of credulous men who have imbibed propaganda believe the myth. Most people don’t have an opinion one way or the other and when confronted with a “statistic” like “10%” would immediately think something is off because it’s absurd on its face.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:47 PM
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LOL. Your own source actually says the opposite. Do you guys even read what you link?? The fact is that the "even 10%" you claim is a modest estimate is massively inflated. It's a myth. Source: I did many similar interviews around this time, and they all followed the same course. Interviewers wanted to know the extent of misattributed paternity and I invariably said that the answer was unknown. Yet my interviewers invariably found other “experts” who declared unequivocally that misattributed pat…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:18 PM
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Yet an estimated 20%-25% of men in America are unknowingly caring for children that aren’t theirs. This is not real.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 03:34 PM
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and the accepted number is around 10%. Lol wut. “Accepted” by whom? The services which provide the tests? Their clients aren’t anything like a random sample of all men. Stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 03:33 PM
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Regardless, they women's second choice. Nope. Some women prefer bigger men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:53 PM
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I think the “dancing monkey” skills needed for an employer and needed for dating are similar. Step one is to not take yourself too seriously and to not let your contempt for those who would evaluate you dominate the impression.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:47 PM
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Plenty of women prefer fat men as long as they are large and masculine. This isn’t even controversial. Using weird jargon about “Chad” is neither here nor there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:45 PM
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As does anyone with any preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:40 PM
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That's ridiculous. Plenty of women like big, bearish men - even those who are quite overweight - as long as they have some masculine shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 10:57 PM
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good long-term partners Yes, because men with good careers are notorious bad at selling themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 10:55 PM
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a psychopath would have the best photogenic smile and other photogenic skills than almost every normal guy wouldn't care about practicing. True, but they might forget to take off their MAGA hat or some other tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 10:54 PM
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lol But seriously. Even if you have experience with a high number of women, it is unlikely that you've experienced anything approaching a representative sample of women - even in a colloquial sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:30 PM
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women will monkey branch, aka go from one man to the next, while men will collect women and fuck the hot girl and the medium hot girl at the same time. Not the same Based on what? You just made this up. They’re attracted despite the bitchiness because she’s hot. Women are attracted because the guy is an asshole. This is different. You also just made this up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:20 PM
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i am genuinely nice posts sexist screed to reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:07 PM
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I dunno what TLC show relationships you've had This is the crux of it. These dudes act like paternity fraud is just a roll of the dice - equally likely to strike any relationship - as though there aren’t generally clear warning signs and consistent factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:14 AM
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What a silly analogy. The reason verification of direct deposit isn’t an accusation is because the reason it wouldn’t be deposited would be an error - not theft. It’s not about suspicion of wrongdoing. A woman does not mistakenly become pregnant with another man’s child - at least not in the sense that there is no malicious intent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:10 AM
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The problem is that some people lie about paternity. Nobody thinks it’s going to be them and it happens quite often The idea that this is something like a random sample of all marriages is ludicrous. There are obviously generally warning signs and other factors at play.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:06 AM
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The birth certificate isn’t a certification of the biological father. It’s a certification of who is taking on that role. Plenty of non-biological fathers voluntarily put their names on the document.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:57 AM
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Every economic indicator including growths in the deficit ("over-spend") are worse under Republican administrations than Democratic administrations. Both Liberals and Conservatives spend in America. The problem is that Conservatives have no interest in paying for it. This is basic stuff. But I shouldn't expect more from someone whose contempt for education manifests in randomly mocking their partner's teaching profession because she's a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:16 AM
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go get money from the rich Yes, exactly. Except for the fact that men voted in majority for the conservatives who decided to cut their taxes in perpetuity in exchange for dangling an expiring tax cut for normal folks. Way to own the Libs, bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:08 AM
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Keep voting for billionaire tax-cuts because Trump says it's owning the Libs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:05 AM
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It's not "apex fallacy" given that the median man has a higher income and more wealth than the median woman. And the point was that men in general tend to vote for (conversative) politicians who exacerbate inequalities by compounding the wealth of the "apex".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 02:55 AM
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Because men are not systematically oppressed due to their gender. And given that men hold disproportionate political and financial power, the problems they have are generally of their own making (i.e. stop voting for regressive conservatives who just want to prop up wealthy men instead of creating a more just and equitable world).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 06:36 PM
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In this case, every man is being told this, but "actual abusers" are probably going to be a bit more difficult to reach with this rather basic platitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 06:26 PM
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be a decent person but it's not my job!! The mentality of a small child. And yes, the changes are happening otherwise you wouldn't be on here complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:34 PM
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I smirked, amused in my mastery and said: "Baby, you have no idea about his Google thingy. Allow me to melt your mind." Why do you guys write like supervillains? Just be a normal person.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:33 PM
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"It's not my job" is a non-sequitur. Nobody said it was. These changes are happening no matter how much regressives will whine and drag their feet.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:22 PM
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The difference being that I am not claiming to be representative of anything normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 03:57 PM
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It's nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 03:44 PM
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or men who are perpetually online It's literally an online complaint about online dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 03:39 PM
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60/40! How refreshing to see a new made-up statistic on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 03:31 PM
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We are not responsible for enforcing ever changing social customs by women The "customs" are changing because men are doing a better job demanding better behavior from other men. The kind of harassment which was routine in school and the workplace a generation ago is no longer tolerated because men are doing a better job policing their peers interpersonally and institutionally. the contradictory expectations of women Again, your example is men loudly joking about sexual assault in a professional…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 03:28 PM
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The example you posted was about sexist comments in a college class. This is a far cry from physically confronting a violent man wielding a knife in public (your false equivalence). Men are told to hold their friends, peers, classmates, co-workers, etc. accountable. Obviously, with violent strangers the best thing to do is to document and to call the police.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 03:13 PM
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You said it, chief. I don’t believe in nonsense like “romantically happy” societies, but they certainly didn’t exist in the past where people weren’t even free to be romantic with the people they loved.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 03:30 AM
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Surely you aren't referring to the time when things like same-sex marriage and interracial marriage were illegal and persecuted as "romantically happy".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:38 AM
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...huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:37 AM
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a romantically happy society has been achieved before When?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:27 AM
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Women see 80% of pictures of the men on OK Cupid in 2009 as below average This is one of your most sacred scrolls so I want to make sure you get it right.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:24 AM
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Democracy - historically - has been a system built by and for slave-owning men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:21 AM
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Sure it indicates a lack of trust, but thats about him, his fears, and his traumas and has nothing to do with me Why would you want to be with someone who doesn't trust you when you've done nothing wrong regardless of the origins of his distrust? I get if there is a history of infidelity, but otherwise it's nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:19 AM
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Here’s my take: I have no issue with it being standard practice for hospitals to issue a paternity test at birth. Im all for it. It's a massive waste of time and resources and an invasion of privacy in order to provide a service which almost nobody needs. For those who do - it is already available over-the-counter and/or through the courts.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:13 AM
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I've never seen that written here. Show me an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:02 AM
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Does divorce evaporate the father?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:01 AM
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Nobody says "all men are predators" here for starters. So you've already come with something immediately dismissible.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 01:59 AM
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He will be presumed the father if he is married to the pregnant woman. The onus is on him to get himself off the hook with the state. There will be a paternity test - now or later.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 01:58 AM
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Plenty of individual women with bad takes get criticized by other women here and elsewhere
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 01:57 AM
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The mom will pay for the kid like in all cases where the dad is unknown.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 01:56 AM
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I think women that disagree would quickly change their stance if some girl claimed she was pregnant with their son's baby How old is this son? And what is their relationship to this girl? Nobody thinks it's a bad idea to ascertain parental certainty in the case of hook-ups and casual relationships. The issue is long-term, committed, monogamous relationships where there is no history of infidelity and (generally) the pregnancy was planned.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 01:55 AM
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Why would the child be "fatherless"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 01:51 AM
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I think that's completely reasonable. That's a bizarre scenario. Women who have go-bags generally have experienced abuse in their current relationship and fear/are awaiting escalation to an unsustainable level.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 01:37 AM
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The problem is that the scenarios you guys set up as “gotchas” for the supposed double-standard (ex. the go-bags) are clear false-equivalences that fail the basic sniff test for coherent logic. It’s feeble and it gets dismissed as such. Plenty of individual women with bad takes get criticized by other women here and elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 12:49 AM
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Your title is disgusting and your story doesn’t even come close to supporting it. Why are you people incapable of broaching what might be an interesting discussion (gender roles and expectations around sex and desire) without going completely offensive and unhinged?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 10:49 PM
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Let’s be real: anyone who unironically describes groups of people as “normie” isn’t a reliable narrator of anything - let alone the thoughts and feelings of these “normies”.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:30 PM
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Some of these dudes also have a history of lifting and have just let themselves go. It's easier to bounce back.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 06:12 PM
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why would they continue an abusive relationship, or even have children with him, if they have been abused by their partner and fear future abuse of him Because they are abused and have often lost a sense of what is normal or acceptable and either lack external support networks or have had the ties those networks severed by their abuser.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:43 PM
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No, just ordinary artists. Very few are famous and very few seem to struggle in that area.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:03 PM
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how unattracted women are to men who are more sensitive and vulnerable. Look around where? Because as you know artists are notoriously unable to find women who are attracted to them. Oh wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:36 PM
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For sure. But a lot of times women who have been abused have also be isolated or alienated from friends and family by their abuser so their exit-plan looks more like finding an opportunity to escape with the kids and a few belongings/some cash to the local DV shelter rather than just driving to their parents’ home or something of the sort.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:32 PM
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I said a history of abuse "in the relationship" not "in a relationship". If the man's partner has cheated on him in his current relationships, nobody would begrudge him his reassurance.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:21 PM
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Modern hospitals have all sorts of technology now to ensure this does not happen including matching, scannable wristbands which are immediately placed on the baby and the mother. It was a thing which was rare, but possible before, but it really isn't now.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:19 PM
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And in that case it's unreasonable and hurtful to the non-abusive partner. But this is not the usual profile of a woman who has taken these measures.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:15 PM
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this ALSO ensures the hospital is liable for baby swapping. This doesn't happen anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:14 PM
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Most of the time a woman with a "go-bag" has a history of abuse in the relationship. It's a facile comparison to men being paranoid about paternity in cases where a woman has done nothing to demonstrate unfaithfulness.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:13 PM
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Let's be honest: women who have "go bags" are generally going to be women who have experienced abuse in the relationship and fear its escalation. Nobody would begrudge a man whose wife has a history of infidelity seeking a paternity test. The commonly cited scenario here is man asking for a test out-of-the-blue just for "peace of mind" in a case where his wife has given him no reason to suspect she is a cheater.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:06 PM
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Because casual sex is far more enjoyable and far less risky for the average man than for the average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:24 AM
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Average men and women get into relationships all the time - fairly simply. The idea that women have ridiculous standards is ridiculous and likely a symptom of someone paying too much mind to the standards of women who - unbeknownst to the observer - are far above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:12 AM
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Pointing out that there are dudes who will have casual sex and nothing else with a woman who wants a relationship is yet another meaningless non-sequitur. Not sure what else to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:08 AM
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the state will make her exhaust every avenue to find him Yes. The state will ask and she will say “dunno” and that will be the end of it. Lol @ thinking they’re bringing in intelligence agencies to find some rando hook up of hers she may not even know. They do make an effort to track down known parents with warrants and what not, but even that is pretty low effort. And for the fourth time: the husband can disavow by divorcing and demonstrating he isn’t the biological father. It only gets murky i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:07 AM
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Men wanting to use a woman’s body as a masturbatory aid aren’t an “option” for women who want relationships. Stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:53 AM
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Yes, the biological mother “takes responsibility” as in all cases where the biological father is unknown.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:51 AM
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Nonsense. It’s enough to divorce and demonstrate that the child is biologically not his.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:47 AM
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Most people (men and women) don’t put a ton of effort into dating. It just kind of happens for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:45 AM
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Average people have average expectations. The evidence is all of the average people in relationships. Anything else is just a symptom of the terminally online imbibing their algorithm.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:34 AM
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Private tests may be banned, but in the case of divorce for infidelity which produced a child, the court can get a test to determine paternity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:33 AM
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No they don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:31 AM
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Yes, because the presumption is that the father is the biological parent. But the man in that situation has the option to divorce and contest paternity if the wife has indeed been unfaithful.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:29 AM
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It has nothing to do with the point that average men and women have average expectations for one another. It’s a non-sequitur.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:22 AM
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…wut
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:11 AM
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So then the expectations aren't "ridiculous". Average people have average expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:00 AM
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she can go fk her ex have a kid with him and legally i will be asked to take care of it That's...not how this works.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:59 PM
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90K is firmly in the lower/working/welfare class. No...it's not. Most families who live in these areas who are UMC have combined incomes of around $150-$200k meaning that this hypothetical man is a match for a woman at that level.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:57 PM
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This is ridiculous. You may argue that for some women there is a level of attractiveness that can offset a certain level of misogyny. But there are always limits.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:56 PM
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Women have no special intuition for misogyny You don't need "special intuition" to detect what is often obvious. the most abusive, violent men have no issues attracting women A subset of them may compensate for these attributes by being exceptionally charismatic, wealthy, attractive. But this isn't typical. Terrible abusers are predators who know how to pursue women who are vulnerable/susceptible to manipulation and coercion (younger, impoverished, homeless, without friends/family, undocumented,…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:53 PM
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Most average dudes get into relationships. You need a reality-check.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:49 PM
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Women get to select from all men, yet select from a coterie of shit men, get passed around by them, then demand men as a whole via the government in some way either through state assistance or via the government This is so stupid. Single-parenthood is associated with poverty and lack of education. The women who have children with men who are either uninterested or incapable of fulfilling the role of a present, contributing father generally don't have access to men who are distinguishably better …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 07:17 PM
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We as a society have made it trivial to exist, as cooking and cleaning have largely been automated. Women don't have to weave textiles from scratch or farm or do any heavy labor like they did 100 years ago. Plenty of women are still employed in garment production, agricultural work. Women are the majority of food preparers, cleaners, and caretakers for the elderly and infirmed. These are all difficult and dirty jobs. We as a society bail out women's poor decision-making skills with government as…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 07:15 PM
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But you're missing the point. It's not about the quantity of interactions. The nature of the interactions and the type of people interacting is completely different. So extrapolating claims about the statistics provided by dating apps to all of the couples who "meet online" is an invalid enterprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:31 PM
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That's an absurd reach. The nature, dynamics, and barriers of interaction and the sample of men and women participating are completely different when comparing dating apps to social media in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:23 PM
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Over 50% of new relationships are formed from dating apps, like Tinder This is false. The statistic is that the couples "meet online" which is not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:16 PM
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and give more money to the husband-state women are married to today You think the issue with insufficient welfare for families is a lack of funds and not the priorities of allocation?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 11:24 PM
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it’s mostly self inflicted The point is that there is no number at which a woman can be safe from the scrutiny of any given man who wants to shame her for that. Women who haven't even had sex are shamed for it based on things like their clothing or just rejecting the man's advances. You sound like the people who say that racial minorities can avoid slurs by not acting like the slur.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 11:22 PM
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converging lines of evidence AKA unprovenanced screenshots from 4 chan chadfish "experiments"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:14 PM
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Pretty sure 90% of these complaints aren't about "workwear" but about things like wearing old cartoon T-shirts and cargo shorts to nice restaurants.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:09 PM
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The problem is that many women assume men see women in the same way women see other women I haven't seen a lot of evidence of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:03 PM
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Does a preference exist if no one knows about it? ...yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 09:54 PM
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People bring up the "depression" angle not as an excuse or a resignation but as an explanation in order to facilitate more effective remedies.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 07:22 PM
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This is a such a strange way of thinking. "Love" is a process. It's the accumulation of years of commitment, memories, social entanglement, and mutual growth. Mentally healthy people don't just throw that away for the chance at a more shiny object over there. Nobody thinks this way about best friend from childhood or their mother. What does "better" or "perfect" mean in comparison to a person you've shared so much with?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 07:18 PM
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"Meeting online" is not synonymous with "meeting on an online dating app". Nobody cares about data from platforms with 80/20 male to female ratios.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:13 PM
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For the third time: the claim "the majority of dating occurs via online connections now" encompasses a much more larger realm than "online dating" apps. Are you able to understand this simple point?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:57 PM
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"Online" encompasses a much broader range of spaces than just dating/hook-up apps. Citing stats about how common it is for couples to "meet online" and then claiming that this affirms generalizations around the sort of fun-house stats from platforms like Tinder is fallacious.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:55 PM
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the majority of dating occurs via online connections now "Online" is not the same thing as hook-up apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:52 PM
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Men who are in relationships - especially where they share a house a children with their partner - and prioritize things like sports or video games over their responsibilities are criticized, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:32 PM
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most of the discussion i see here have nothing to do with racism Because these topic will be removed by the mods. Sounds like you are just associating red pill with being a conservative Because it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 11:00 PM
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It’s the people who make the laws People vote for the people who make the laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 08:59 PM
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It’s a niche thing within the larger category of “modern men”.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 03:13 PM
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This isn’t true at all. The kind of traditional-minded woman who may lean toward that kind of belief is also going to understand the expectation to birth and mother children among other domestic duties.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 03:11 PM
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How would you have an idea how "easy" any of this is for relationships aside from you own?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 05:32 PM
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There is no "proof" for the statement: to succeed at dating, you have to be a toxic f-boy who asks for s3x early because it's obviously false. If you don't understand this, then it's not worth having a discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 05:25 PM
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Do you guys not understand what "proof" actually means, or is it just trolling?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 04:42 PM
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Says the guy that hasn't sourced anything here in his life. You guys think that linking a scholarly article you found by hastily searching keywords means you've won the debate when you haven't even read it (and probably don't understand it). "Source" fetishism is a primitive religion of the poorly-educated.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 08:20 PM
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It only really benefits you. The mods don't want to have lengthy threads with people just dunking on silly redpill "facts". I guess they think it's boring?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 07:49 PM
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I don't think the "yourself" carries any weight morally. The clone isn't you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 07:31 PM
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there is a strong, sudden decline in relationship satisfaction in women, even if there is no sudden issue According to what? I'm talking about romantic relationships Ok. So only attractive women have "inherent value"? A persons body is part of their identity So it their profession. So is their net worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:54 PM
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(1) Why are women "especially" going to desire something new? (2) All humans have inherent value. And anyone (male or female) who has friends or family is valued by others. (3) What women are loved "unconditionally"? Is being physically attractive not a "condition" in your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:44 PM
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Yes, you're grasping at "likelihoods" which for both men and women are vanishingly small. Especially so for "average" women. It's pure pedantry in order to distract from that fact that your intention was to frame it as somewhat normal for average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 04:33 PM
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the average person is more likely to be struck by lightning than eaten by a shark This is you. The average woman is not interacting with celebrities. Conversation done. Retreating to the position that .0000001% of women vs. .0000000001% of men do it - therefore something - is a hilarious capitulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 04:27 PM
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Average woman have neither "exposure" to celebrities nor are they sleeping with them. Stop being sensitive that you tried to pull a random "men have it so hard" about something which .000001% of women actively participate in - and got called on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 04:18 PM
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Women who sleep with celebrities aren’t “average”.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 03:58 PM
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Why are you assuming this woman is “average”?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 03:56 PM
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The problem is when an innocent person's freedom is at risk You still haven't show any evidence that any of this is a problem specific to this crime. By obfuscating "fake allegation", "false allegation", and "false conviction" we can't even begin to have the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:39 PM
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edit: misunderstood your comment. Yes, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:38 PM
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No, not really. If the crime is difficult to convict, there should be a lower rate of false convictions as evidence is difficult to collect. We haven't actually established what we are talking about. Now it's "false convictions" and not "false allegations"? Where is your data on any of this? men are considered to be dangerous and/or worthless, so falsely convicting them of crimes is not something to worry about Black and brown men often are. As we see in the two example cited by OP. But this is …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:27 PM
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The commentor I am replying to (OP) called them fake accusations.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:21 PM
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every time the rate of false accusations are actually looked at, and the same methodology applied to other crimes at the same time, the false accusation rate for male-perpetrated sex crimes is higher. Even if I believe what you are saying about this with no source, we again run into the issues with the definition of "false accusation". Anything that results in people who didn't commit a crime being alleged to have done it is a false allegation This isn't the sense in which "false allegation" is …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:17 PM
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10% chance of false accusation is huge. It's more than any other crime. It's 2-10% and the source literally says: In rigorous research, rates of false reports are consistently very low, ranging from 2% to 10%. This is similar to rates of false reports for other crimes. Also, how is a "false allegation" defined? The Central Park Five, for example is a case where an actual assault did occur.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:05 PM
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Your examples aren't "fake accusations". In both cases, a woman was actually assaulted and a black or brown man who didn't do it got railroaded by the justice system.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:01 PM
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I'm not alarmed so I don't really care about your anecdotes nor trying to twist data on singleness into confirmation of a belief that some significant portion of single men struggling to an alarming degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:54 PM
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There is much more cultural pressure on men to secure a good job before pursuing a relationship than there is for women. Also, many of the women who report being in a "relationship" are with a guy who doesn't view it that way. Again - due to cultural pressures/expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:41 PM
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Half of men are looking for something casual and/or relationships. Again, this is not an indication of anything alarming.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:39 PM
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It's not "alarming" if these men don't want to be in relationships because they are focused on school or career or just want to enjoy the single life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:18 PM
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drowning Normal people don't need to "drown" in the attention of the opposite sex. Most aren't interested in that and just want to find a compatible partner to settle down with. Your framing is part of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:28 PM
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I like that your reaction to the app not being representative of real life is a plea for another app. This is the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:26 PM
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Because most people aren’t obsessed with “doing well” with the opposite sex. They just want to find someone compatible to settle down with. The advice given by mothers is general human-being-in-polite-society advice. They assume that their sons (like most men) will be able to find a relationship if they want one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 01:40 AM
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And nobody beyond the age of 8 believes not crying during a shot makes them brave in any meaningful sense. Stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 01:37 AM
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lol @ "nurses" I don't think Disney Princes tend to be "kind" or "polite". They're generally kind of brash and caddish. And things like "handsome" are relative. There's a level of "handsome" required to be with a princess just as there is a level of "handsome" you need to be to be with an ordinary woman like your female relatives probably are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 01:28 AM
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Some women do. Many of these women are also "assholes" themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 12:25 AM
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unfortunately it's close to irrelevant.. Using extreme edge cases to claim that being a decent human being isn't important is ridiculous. Extremely wealthy, handsome, or famous men can get away with having a terrible personality. Most men cannot, unless they have very low standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 12:24 AM
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Are the Disney princes really "nice" as their defining attributes? They are usually rich, brave, handsome, talented, charismatic, and in many cases - literally magical.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 12:22 AM
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Had Aladdin been real Aladdin is a handsome, smart, charismatic, bad boy. If most men could figure it out, why would 63% of men in their 20s still be single "Single" does not mean "struggling". Plenty of men are single by choice - especially at the lower end of 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 11:50 PM
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If they would have been told a woman actually fancies a man who is confident and successful Where is this not completely obvious?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 11:47 PM
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The deadbedroom forum is basically 50/50 men vs. women complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 10:02 PM
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Yeah, it's hilarious what these dudes consider "evidence".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 09:59 PM
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in which this typically occurs According to?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 09:58 PM
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Regardless of what you think about this dude, he's proudly expressing this opinion, in public, in front of several other dudes who agree, and sharing it with an online audience which is also favorable to his views. The idea that other people pushing back on this (for a variety of reasons) is evidence that men are "not supposed to have standards" in an insane, cherry-picking conclusion. Nothing in the age of the internet has unanimous approval.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 03:37 PM
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You can die alone or level up This is a ridiculous framing of the choices. Most people want to find a compatible partner that they love and settle down. The absurd gauntlet you describe enduring only to emerge on the other side...having sex more easily? More frequently? This isn't really impressive to well-adjusted adults who after 16 years are probably firmly emersed in a different social reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 09:45 PM
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It's not about "ability" it's about the desire to do so in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 09:40 PM
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How is this any different from cheating. Cheating is unethical. Is this a serious question?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 09:39 PM
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Corruption and bias are systemic. People form relationships with individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 07:12 PM
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Who is "she"?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 07:05 PM
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If I exist in the same room or street as them whilst possessing a face or a gait or a demeanour or a manner of speech they don't happen to like, there is no harm Even in this ridiculous version which has nothing to do with the kinds of behavior women are describing, there still can be actual harm. If a man happens to looks strikingly similar to a man who victimized a woman, it's possible that seeing the man will elicit a trauma response which actually harms the woman. Of course this isn't the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:56 PM
1

This situation seems more like an issue of closeness rather than "male" vs. "female". Someone you're trying to date is not the same as your wife or partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 05:43 PM
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Your female partner bounced when you told her your mother was murdered?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 05:39 PM
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It's precisely how a ton of guys who get labeled "creepy" behave. This sort of tactic is straight out of the PUA handbook, among other things. The "attention" obviously isn't the ultimate goal (though there probably is some satisfaction in the control implied by holding attention). The goal is to hold attention in order to further probe for opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 05:32 PM
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The woman who says the dude is creepy wants nothing to do with him. His demand to know the "why" about the specifics of his behavior or her opinions which led to her wanting nothing to do with him is a way for him to continue to interact with her after she had already made it clear she doesn't want anything to do with him. It's akin to internet trolls "sealioning".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 05:19 PM
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No, it's not. Words have meanings.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 05:16 PM
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start talking about the shit you're going through "Man, I hate these women. They suck"... woman leaves "Hey, wait! Where are you going??!"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 05:15 PM
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Women absolutely accuse men of being things that they aren’t for no reason. I remember a female friend of mine at my last job telling me that prior to us ever conversing she didn’t like me because she thought I was cocky and she couldn’t give a reason she thought that That's not an "accusation". That's a hasty and internal impression.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 05:14 PM
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have done no bad actions The "bad" may be unintentional, but that's immaterial to the person who experiences it negatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 05:13 PM
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The "why?" isn't about genuine curiosity. It's a demand for further attention; it's a tactic to facilitate further engagement.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 05:11 PM
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Sending boys to college is irresponsible Most high-paying careers require it and the "expensive fees" are an investment in high future earnings. Certainly certain degrees are more valuable than others, for sure. But with smart choices it's the best route. I’d be surprised if upper class guys with higher quality and more frequent dating opportunities would turn porn It's not about "turning" to anything. It's about compulsive, addictive behavior. Plenty of attractive men in relationships with part…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 02:19 AM
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engaging in lower class behaviour (preventing porn/social media/drug/alcohol addiction) How is this "lower class"? putting them in trades school instead of college How is this more "responsible"?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 01:51 AM
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It takes much more effort to hold back tears than to simply cry if you are so moved. Regardless of "upside" the path of least resistance is to just display normal emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 01:46 AM
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These dudes have the reading comprehension skills of a squirrel.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 04:43 PM
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They're mindless regressives. The horizon of the "better days" will constantly be dragged forward in order to retain a veneer of plausibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 04:20 PM
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All of that stuff you've cited is nonsense, though. It's like a cultist citing the vast tomes written by their leader as "evidence". A ton of garbage is still garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 03:57 PM
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It is important to note, however, that neither of these studies recruited representative samples of women, so we cannot know if these percentages are accurate for women in general. Yeah, no. These “online surveys” are not a platform from which to generalize any of this. Also, I would be interested to know how a “foodie call” is actually defined in the methodology. It could be anything from intentionally going on the date to score a meal with no romantic interest to retrospectively perceiving the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:22 PM
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That dude, if he's telling any truth, isn't telling the whole truth. Even that subreddit (a very sympathetic audience) is asking for the missing information.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 08:57 PM
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How everything is interpreted through the lens of how they feel vs what objectively happened I like how you attribute this quality to women before charging full-steam into a disjointed rant based on your feelings about something you may have read several years ago concerning a dude's unhinged and petty attempt to guilt his wife into more sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 08:52 PM
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Just as women fight tooth and nail for being able to kill their own unborn babies Abortion isn't "killing babies".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:59 PM
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Genetic compatibility is often required for donation of some tissues and organs. Paternity tests may rather be genetic tests that help deal with those conditions in the future too. Yup. Cross that river when you come to it. Test then. We don't need to mandate paternity tests at birth due to your niche examples where it may be relevant. The problem is the legal window that is very limited for the rights of the fathers If you aren't sure then test privately. Normal people may require tests if they…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:58 PM
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No, men are shamed for loudly proclaiming their conventional preferences in the context of disparaging women who do not meet those standards. I don't see how excluding groups from an acceptance campaign is helping the cause unless the goal is not to treat all people equally, but rather to give preferential treatment towards certain groups of people at the expense of others. Some groups exist in a current state of relative maltreatment. Giving these groups preferential treatment attempts to equal…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:53 PM
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Babies get tests at birth for things which are either common issues or issues which could have catastrophic health consequences. Paternity "fraud" is both extremely rare, but also not really information with any public health ramifications. It would only be of interest to the family. There is no need for it because normal, sane people don't require it and those who do will get it done privately.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:50 PM
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It certainly makes more sense for women - who are primarily victimized in violent crimes by men - to be more wary of men than it is for white people - who are primarily victimized in violent crimes by other white people - to be more wary of black people. The aggregate or relative stats in one case are telling whereas in the second case they are a bit of a red herring.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:44 PM
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Mandating paternity tests at the national level is not at all cheap given the overhead, personnel, training, insurance, legal, etc. expenses.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:38 PM
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So you are talking about relative percentages? Or specific crimes? Speak plainly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:36 PM
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The only people who should use racial crime data to assert who seems more "threatening" are people of the same race as the perpetrators given that most crime is intra-racial. On the other hand, most violent crimes against women are committed by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:33 PM
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There's actually more deaths due to female serial killers than male lol wut
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:32 PM
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Most criminals in the US are white because white people are the majority population. Do you have data which says otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:32 PM
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Companies will literally choose women to be the face of their business because Men find them attractive? I doubt these women are conventionally unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:29 PM
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Everyone already does accept people's preferences for the conventionally attractive. The campaigns are designed to promote acceptance of what is not already universally accepted. You don't need "Neurotypical Awareness" campaigns.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:28 PM
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There's certainly a weird vibe of "things like cheating happen to the population at random" as though there aren't massively apparent covariables.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:25 PM
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Nobody wants to pay for that and plenty of people have a deep distrust of the medical establishment and would opt out of something inessential.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:22 PM
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However, the chance of the child not being yours is NOT 0. If the chance is ZERO, then that would imply that it NEVER happens, and we know that it's not true, scenarios like that happen all the time, making it a NON-ZERO chance of happening. Experiencing paternity fraud as a man does not just happen at random. There area whole host of risk factors including prior infidelity. I understand that the sort of man who is obsessed with this sort of thing is also the sort of man who lacks the good sense…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:18 PM
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Not everyone has the brain capacity to learn them subjects And many others suffer from debilitating mental illness which manifests in weight gain among other symptoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 02:35 PM
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Both being wealthy and being overweight - especially, excessively overweight - have as much or more do with the circumstances of your birth and childhood than any sort of hard work or effort made in adulthood. Who your parents are is rather predictive of this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 02:33 PM
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There’s no need to for an “acceptance” campaign around the default social preference. Do you really not understand this?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 02:28 PM
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The men who pursue paternity testing do not represent an unbiased sample. Quite the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:29 PM
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Ok...it's still "access" well within the means of most people. Which is why it's such a common avenue of cheating, especially with the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:28 PM
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Yes, based on the genetic locations surveyed by a particular test. It’s not a meant to suggest that a certain child is more related to his or her father than another, just that the test showed more or less relation on the genetic markers that it looked it. l
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:11 PM
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People cheat all of the time by paying for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:06 PM
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Now he likes to see the percents and determine which child has more of his DNA. …that’s not how genetics works. Each kid has half of their DNA from each parent. They are all 50% related to each of you and each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:59 PM
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Depends on the situation. If there is corroborating evidence of infidelity, I don't think it's unreasonable. The issue is when a woman who is pregnant or has just given birth is challenged with this apropos of nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:39 PM
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(a) Nobody I know. (b) The kind of people who paternity tests are designed for given the stats provided by these services about their clients.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:16 PM
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“Men who seek paternity” tests are not an unbiased sample. Quite the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:04 PM
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Right. Like on case-by-case basis I’m not going to begrudge a dude whose partner has a history of frequent or recent infidelity this sort of piece-of-mind. But it’s the generalization of this kind of awful behavior from a small subset of troubled, dishonest women onto every woman which is the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:03 PM
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Why don't these women also want to file for divorce if a man questions the relationship status of his wife and her "male friend"? Because this encompasses a whole range of behaviors from stuff which merely is a bad look for someone in a relationship, to things like emotional affairs, to actual physical cheating. Accusing a women of not only physical cheating but also lying and deceiving their partner about whether or not their kid is actually theirs is an accusation of truly deplorable behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:57 PM
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Not sure what out-of-wedlock births have to do with the fear of paternity fraud in committed relationships. “Men who test for paternity” are not an unbiased sample.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:31 PM
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Nope. You have the causality reversed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:29 PM
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Entertaining logical rather than likely possibilities is the playground of people trying to win internet arguments through pedantry. Don't have children with women you don't trust to cheat on you and trick you into fathering another man's kids. There are millions upon millions of woman at that low bar of decency to choose from. Problem solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:15 PM
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You think "fat acceptance" leads to people being fat?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:13 PM
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Of course not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:13 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:13 PM
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It's also possible that due to quantum tunneling the next time you grab your coffee mug your hand will pass right through.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:12 PM
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I'd say it's practically impossible now. It used to rarely happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:11 PM
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Right. But the desire to "find out" implies that you believe it's a possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:10 PM
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All these dudes worried about paternity need to have children with a woman of a difference race in order to make the potential deception more complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:10 PM
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This almost never happens anymore in modern medical facilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:04 PM
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Logic "draws" that implication. It is the logical conclusion. I honestly don't care about your thought-process because this back-and-forth has illustrated you aren't very keen on self-reflection.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 05:01 PM
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Why do you think "feminists" want men to be fat?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 04:59 PM
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It's not really about her or her actions. You must be trolling. How is her being pregnant with another man's child not about her?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 04:58 PM
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The "implication" is the logical conclusion of the mechanics of impregnation. The belief that your supposedly faithful, monogamous partner may be carrying another man's child is the belief that your partner is possibly not monogamous and faithful.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 04:57 PM
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How is she carrying another man's baby if she hasn't slept with another man?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 04:55 PM
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That's ridiculous. You can't retreat to "you don't share my bad reasoning" as a defense of your bad reasoning. You need to do a bit more self-reflection and realize that your personal anxieties all lead, inescapably, back to suspicion of infidelity on the part of the woman who is meant to be carrying your child.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 04:51 PM
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...no.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 04:46 PM
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This dude is trying to say that it has nothing at all to do with the woman who has the baby in her belly. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 04:46 PM
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it ain't about her at all That makes absolutely zero sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 04:44 PM
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Ok. How about instead of "whore" we just say "cheater".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 04:41 PM
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You might even get it without suspicion of cheating lol wut
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 04:37 PM
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The paternity test bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 04:37 PM
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Nobody is explicitly told as a child "be nice to girls to get laid", that's asinine. To be fair, this is the question to which you answered "my mom told me". We are told to be gentlemanly, to not be offensive, to be passive romantic little shits. In other words "to be as inoffensive as possible so as to not offend the sensibilities of women". So, the millions upon millions of men who don't behave this way weren't taught this or did they just not listen?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:56 PM
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"Meeting online" is not necessarily "dating apps".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:44 PM
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How did it "break down the narrative"? It may have prompted an ancillary narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:42 PM
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As a whole most studies prove women are more promiscuous these days This is simply not true. Show me the "studies" that say this. it's proven that women are net negative contributors to a country when you tax into account taxation and expenditure As I mentioned above, the "contributor" side of that equation comes down to a small percentage of very wealthy individuals who (for historical reasons) are disproportionately male. More than half of workers - male and female - are not even net tax contr…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:38 PM
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They probably vary in these traits like most people. Again, men and women who are conventionally attractive tend to be very good at performing gender roles. These dudes are likely masking their depth to a certain degree in order to come across as an ideal man in public. You wouldn't know about the nuance, humor, intellectual interests, etc. unless you actually knew them as friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:32 PM
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I think having the time horizon be "late 20s" already shows an informational disconnect. Most people start dating much earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:29 PM
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Secondly women today are all whores. Source? Women are only doing well because everything is subsidised by ugly men. Are you arguing that the small percentage of very wealthy men who carry the majority of the tax burden are disproportionately ugly? Weird take.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:25 PM
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Respect and niceness aren't necessarily attractive, but given two men who the woman finds attractive, she woman will generally choose the one who is nice and respectful over one who isn't. Generally because there are of course women who prefer men who are the other way, but that's less common.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:23 PM
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Your mother told you being nice would get you laid? I don't believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:22 PM
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You know nothing about these men so it's weird you are assuming aspects of their personalities based on short interactions. What do you find "very attractive" for a woman? I would say it's generally true that stereotypically feminine/conventionally attractive women are often paired with stereotypically masculine/conventionally attractive men. Stoicism, reticence, plainness, etc. are part of that package for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:16 PM
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If nobody enjoys the company of a class of people yet you are giving actionable advice on how this class of people could have their company enjoyed it implies either: (a) members of the class have tried and failed implementing the advice (b) the advice is bad (c) members of the class have not tried the advice
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:24 PM
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You said that nobody enjoys the company of a woman in their 20s. So you believe that no woman has "told a joke or a story" for instance?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:17 PM
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Never seen it in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:16 PM
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No one actually enjoys the company of a woman in her 20s. If you don't like it, work on your personality. Which is it? Or do women have to wait until 30 to be enjoyable company?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:13 PM
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In case anyone is pretending to not understand why this is getting the reaction that it is: [top comment] Don't open with "are you in high school" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 09:00 PM
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But in these terms, encountering a football-game-attending fan is fairly commonplace. "Prince Charming seeking 30+ woman" is a denizen of internet memes and TikTok videos.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 08:55 PM
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"Tons' was interpreted to suggest some significant or characteristic quantity, not just "many" people who do the thing. You can find lots of people doing anything online in a world of 8 billion people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 08:39 PM
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In general you shouldn't hit on people at work. Maybe the most socially adept person could pull it off, but most people should avoid it because it puts the woman employee in a really uncomfortable and compromised position.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 08:35 PM
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You're claim is that "tons" of 30+ women are on dating apps holding out for Prince Charming. Since the average age of first marriage is below that, it suggests that a significant portion of women will be married or at least in a committed relationship before they are 30+. I suppose you might think there is a significant number of 30+ women in monogamous relationships on these apps looking for a prince?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 08:32 PM
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If a guy makes someone uncomfortable because he’s socially inept, it’s not entirely his fault ...yes it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 08:28 PM
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It's certainly not characteristic of women in general
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 08:25 PM
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Most men HAVE to learn through the red pill about the true nature of women because blue pill view is what is taught to men from a young age This is false and frankly, cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 08:22 PM
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I’m not “calling it” anything without actual data.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:49 PM
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Some statistical models suggest that 25% of presumed fathers are not. Lol bullshit. It may be the case that internal data from companies which provide paternity services are reporting that sort of statistics from their chstomers but I am sure you can see the issue with any extrapolation to the wider public.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:45 PM
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These are fantasy films whose appeal is the fact that they depict unlikely events. They aren't supposed to be a template for reality. And generally they aren't depicting a man whose sole virtue is being "nice" or "good". It's generally a Hollywood actor dressing down as a normal dude who is also smart, witty, sensitive, brave, funny, talented, in some cases literally magical, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:33 PM
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This is a story of a woman who was almost abducted. You are making up the bit about "sex trafficking".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:27 PM
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they thought by being good people they could get sex. This is absurd. Though also not necessarily untrue because lots of men do have sex who are good.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:25 PM
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growing up, through indoctrination and brainwashing, they believed that being nice and a gentleman to women is good and will make women like you as opposed to being a piece of shit This doesn't really happen, though. People tell kids to be good people in the hope that they will have an easier life and make the world a better place. It's almost never explicitly about getting women to like them. You've just inserted that. People generally assume that most people (good or bad) will find a romantic …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:23 PM
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However I'm sure women can overtly express their repulsion for mens physical traits without anyone seeing an issue with this. At work? No. That would also be worthy of a report to HR.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:08 PM
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How could it "easily be done? Mandate mandatory paternity testing for each birth? That's a massive and unnecessarily cost and it's a procedure which many people would be choose to opt out of anyway (for neutral or bad reasons).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:02 PM
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Vaccination reduces symptoms which reduces spread (at least for the first variant). Healthy people got vaxxed in order to make other people more safe as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:00 PM
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$$$
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 06:58 PM
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They are perfectly fine with suspecting their partner, snooping, checking up on him or even outright accusing him of cheating and act like that is no big deal. "He got mad I wanted to see his fone, what is he trying to hide." People on the relationship sub receive positive reinforcement when they post about snooping - and they find something out. Very few people post about snooping and not finding anything out. In that case, there would not be a positive reception.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 06:58 PM
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"Accusation of cheating" is one of the essential male emotions, apparently
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 06:54 PM
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which is the case for way too many people. It's the case for a tiny percentage of people. Stop exaggerating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 06:53 PM
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Are you currently pursuing "pair bonding" yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:39 PM
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The person accusing doesn't need any proof. Of course they do. At the very least there needs to be circumstantial evidence of misconduct (e.g. a workplace affair that one part alleges was consensual while the other alleges harassment). It can't just be your cartoonish scenario where a woman says a man "touched" her with no evidence and then the man gets fired. Just take a trip to Google man or at this point you look silly. I'm pretty sure you are the one who looks silly when "take a trip to Goog…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:28 PM
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You think there are lawyers who specialize in fabricating workplace offenses with zero evidence? lol And again, the Majors situation is completely different from what you are claiming happens. Violent domestic disputes involving law enforcement are common and messy. People randomly being fired sexual assault in the workplace with zero evidence practically never happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:04 PM
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Most people aren’t ignored by everyone. They are ignored by strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:42 PM
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She’s not a “nobody”. She was Majors girlfriend and they were encountered by law enforcement after a 911 call and a physical altercation. The idea that a random woman in a workplace could just (or would just) fabricate a fireable HR offense with no evidence is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:41 PM
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The Majors situation was a domestic dispute. That has nothing to do with your made-up workplace scenario about a woman fabricating a “touch” to HR.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:31 PM
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That’s not true at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:21 PM
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So you have no real response and are just grinding your axe? Women don’t use that phrase to describe the general anonymous drudgery of life. There are specific instances which you seem unwilling to explore honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:10 PM
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What's the context of this statement? When I've heard it it's generally referring to mundane situations where a woman wants to do a thing without being sexually harassed. "Treated like a human being" is "not being treated like a sex object". Not sure what this has to do with your claims about "top 20% or 10% men" or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:06 PM
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These men (generally) are attractive to certain women with very low standards who are not representative of most women. The barrier to entry of this kind of behavior (tons of children with tons of women) isn’t attractiveness in any sense aside from the basic level needed to attract some woman. The barrier is the lack of shits given about the irresponsibility of the behavior which is an attitude that most men don’t possess.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 04:24 AM
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These men you are citing are outliers whose “accomplishment” is something which is not only not really a challenge, it’s something actively avoided by most men. Having a bunch of children with multiple women is generally going to be worse for both the man and the children. Why are you lauding this? Do you really think that the majority of men in committed relationships with children from one woman couldn’t have out-of-wedlock children if they really wanted it? It makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 04:15 AM
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Which women are getting pregnant by these men? Likely women who are also poor, desperate, impulsive, addicted, criminal, victimized, etc. People in circumstances like this tend to not have particularly high standards. For the third time: it has nothing to do with UMC Johnny Engineering complaining about mediocre Tinder matches on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 04:05 AM
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What is Jeremy Meeks supposed to prove here? People thought he looked good in his mugshot and he get a modeling gig. How is this 1/10000000 story supposed to be representative of anything? Again, the kind of men who have dozens of kids and 5 baby mamas don’t live in the same dating universe of the men on reddit. And they themselves are outliers within their own communities and not necessarily attractive in any objective sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:54 AM
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The point is that there are men who behave poorly toward women at all levels of income, education, height, muscle mass, facial beauty, popularity, etc. You can’t just claim only a certain “tier” of man (however defined) is responsible for the bad behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:39 AM
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You think the UMC, college-educated, dudes complaining about “attraction” in places like this are in the same dating pool as the women who have multiple, out-of wedlock children with philandering criminals? Regardless, these men are unremarkable aside from their high levels of recklessness, impulsiveness, and disregard for the consequences of their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:34 AM
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This is ridiculous. There is no way the huge swath of men who cheat, get women pregnant, and treat women poorly constitutes some elite cadre of men objectively separate from the rest. This happens at every "level" you want to try to establish through some objective measure.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:14 AM
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Then there was the atomic black pill experiment. This sounds very real and not at all something from 4chan.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:12 AM
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In truth, both men and women think women are more intelligent That's not what this study says. It says that both men and women reacted more favorably to a study which said women are more intelligent than to a study which said men are more intelligent. The reasoning for the men (in part) is that the research (whether or not it is true) could be harmful to women given the social and historical context.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 08:46 PM
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This is all nonsense. Nobody is persecuted for "getting someone's pronoun wrong" as in making a mistake. What happens is the person is politely corrected or - at worse - corrected in a rude way and everyone moves on. What does get the rare person negative attention is deliberately and persistently misgendering a person with the attitude of "fuck you - I will call you what I want to call you deal with it". But this has always been the case. Do you think you could just go around referring to your …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 06:12 PM
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"a girl" Yes, it's over because one girl talking about one program.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 05:26 PM
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"Women care about looks because Fabio" is a ridiculous argument. Nobody says women don't care about looks, but the romance cover thing is as much an ironic genre trope as it is a genuine appeal toward women's sexuality. If anything, women constantly insist that they have diverse and personal tastes in terms of physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 05:24 PM
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Get someone's pronoun wrong and all Hell breaks loose. This almost never happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:17 PM
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Which?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:05 AM
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"in that situation" He could try to be a considerate partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 11:41 PM
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I feel like you're coming at this from a different angle than the twox-er you're quoting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 11:38 PM
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What it does say is that 'penile-vaginal sex is unequally distributed among the 5% of men having the most sex' No! It literally does not say that. It says nothing about men specifically. It's about men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 11:01 PM
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The vast majority of western women participate in casual sex That's pretty much irrelevant if you're defining "participate" as "have done it once or twice in the course of finding a relationship and settling down" which is true for lots of women and men. The data referenced by OP is about the small minority of men and women who have the vast majority of the casual sex - with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 10:56 PM
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You’re simply wrong about the data. The relative reproductive success ratios are an artifact of events from around 10,000 years ago. Human biological history is 100,000 years or more.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 10:35 PM
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That pattern in the data did not emerge from any sort of choice on the part of women. It's an artifact of social/cultural developments including the advent of agriculture and settled communities which represents a tiny fraction of human reproductive history. To say that it's a "biological norm" is fundamentally wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 09:37 PM
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But the damage is done. People who lack critical thinking skills see the title and see the links and think that it must be true because of the links. It's outrageous.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 09:35 PM
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What are you talking about? The "5%/66%" thing is literally the title of an active post on this forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 09:32 PM
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These researchers are “touching” the topic and are determining that a small percentage of men and women have most of the casual sex with each other. This finding disappoints certain zealots who then find the need to lie about it and hope nobody clicks their links.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 08:55 PM
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I worry about people who believe nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 08:51 PM
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