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CMVrivertorain____/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 03:38 AM
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Question For Womenrivertorain____/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 03:28 PM
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CMVrivertorain____/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/19 08:34 PM
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rivertorain____/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 04:18 PM
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Question For Menrivertorain____/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 08:39 AM
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Discussionrivertorain____/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 11:27 AM
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Question For Menrivertorain____/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 08:17 PM
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rivertorain____/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 06:52 PM
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NYE Purge Post!rivertorain____/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 04:04 AM
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Discussionrivertorain____/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/19 08:50 PM
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CMVrivertorain____/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 01:09 PM
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rivertorain____/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 07:55 PM
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Women are socially adept. But yes, you can have the height one - that's purely aesthetics. I don't get it tbh, it seems that it's always the shorter girls that exclusively want the taller guys. I think they're being unfair to taller women but the heart wants what the heart wants, I guess...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 02:47 PM
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What? That was my point. Women are holding men to career/education that they have themselves. Young women are out-performing men on education attainment and earnings, thus women's standards are "too high" for men, even though they seem fair to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 08:23 AM
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Are you for real lol? Most of the women I meet are so freakin' risk adverse to try new things; that's why most of them want boyfriends, to pull them out of their netflix lives and entertain them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 06:20 PM
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Eh, this is more about latinos being more attractive than most Americans/Northern Europeans IMO. I bet those girls were still looking for relationships over ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 06:15 PM
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70?! 🤣 The average woman would be pushing 20 IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 12:58 PM
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Sure, whatever you feeeeeeeeel.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 12:08 PM
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I dgaf about what fantasies you want to tell yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 11:14 AM
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In most cases, women are holding men to the standards that they personally have for themselves. I genuinely don’t think the majority of women understand that their career/education etc don’t impact their SMV, especially with everyone raised to be feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 04:41 AM
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Women don’t lose anything during/after sex. It’s absolute BS and a complete mirror of the male ego, which wants to believe that it takes something away for its own collection.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 04:28 AM
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How is AF/BB exclusive to women? Why is "girlfriend material / marriage material" a thing? Isn't it obvious that the women that men most want to fuck, aren't the same women that they "settle" for to marry? It's almost like people choose different partners to spend their entire life with and raise children with than a random romp in the hay...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 09:13 PM
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This guy is 20. How can he be pissed at 30 year old women? He's literally NEVER ran into them. Also, think of how things have changed in the last 10 years. When I was 20, there was dial-up internet. I didn't even have a smartphone. 30 year olds aren't the girls who spent their early 20's ghosting people on Tinder, that is the current gen z snapchat generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 08:45 PM
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On behalf of women, we are not going to sink to the level of bitter men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 05:46 PM
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Be cool, honey bunny. Be cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 05:45 PM
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I've never actually seen this happen IRL (not old enough) So basically you are parroting a whole bunch of crap that you read on the internet because you're either too lazy or stupid to think for yourself? TRP tells you to jump and you ask How high? Why would any woman in her right mind care about appealing to a man who makes his incompetence so blatantly obvious to the world? You sound young so honestly, I think you might change your mind as you get older and understand how the world really work…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 04:54 PM
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I honestly can't relate. This has never been the reason as to why I've broken up with a guy (compared to things like wanting different futures, disagreeing on marriage/children, etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 01:15 PM
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Not IME. Men like uncertainty. I don't mean playing total hard to get but the guy should definitely be initiating the first few dates etc IMO, the girl can be pleasant and receptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 04:22 PM
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Define "what you want" as something that is, by definition, impossible to get by simply being with someone. Change it from "getting X person" to "learning absolutely everything about X person". Stay curious, basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 01:23 PM
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I was thinking purely for the early stages of a relationship. Agreed that you shouldn't be relying on "hinting" in marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 01:17 PM
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I'm sorry for what you're feeling :( I hear your hurt and those feelings of being unworthy really suck. Beyond what you can imagine, even as a woman, I can totally relate to them. It's interesting you see this place as dark and dreary, why do you think you keep coming back? I actually find it somehow entertaining, seeing all the variations in people's perspectives. I agree it can be depressing though; I think most of us are here because we're not 100% satisfied in our relationships, and it does …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 09:00 AM
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I think this is still the wrong question to ask. It's too hypothetical and disconnected from reality. The better question would be "Describe the last 3 men you slept with" or something along those lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 08:41 AM
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I really don’t think it’s about the rejection. I think women are somehow biologically wired for the 50 shades of grey trope where the guy heavily pursues us. I mean, it makes sense - in all animals, the male pursues. At least for me personally, there is just something icky about being direct or blunt with a guy. It’s like the whole seduction / mystery is immediately ruined.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 04:12 AM
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Usually gym clothes / spare outfit for after the gym, makeup bag, purse, lunchbox, laptop bag for work, school text books, umbrella, tissues.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 09:00 PM
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For marriage and children? Nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 08:53 PM
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Do you believe in hypergamy, Atlas?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 08:20 PM
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Sure, but that's for a super limited time period on prep. The lifestyle overall isn't anything like pro-ana.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/19 07:59 AM
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I'm sure you're trolling but if you can read this: These correlations indicate that women who show more interest in men tend to be younger, heavier, more interested in art and social activities, extroverted, open, and cheerful. ...and honestly come away with it believing this: that younger women are more desperate. ...then we are just going to have to agree to disagree. Your statement, however, is emphatically wrong on the most objective, statistical level. If you honestly can't understand why, …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/19 07:34 AM
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Yeah.. no. Sure, bodybuilders are obsessive but they're eating food and still have the energy for intense workouts. Pro-ana girls are literally starving or eating laxatives, wondering why they feel like passing out 24/7.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/19 07:21 AM
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Yes, but age is only one item in that list. I'm saying of those, age is the least impactful. It's a false assumption to say "younger women are more desperate". No, open women come across as more desperate; age is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/19 07:16 AM
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I don’t think it’s about them being young here. Art means you’re high in openness. You’re interested in everyone and everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/19 05:37 AM
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I don’t do this but I imagine it’s because they don’t want to give anyone any wrong ideas. It could be out of fear of disrespecting the bf too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/19 05:44 PM
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Are you a college student by the way? Only sort of. I work full-time in STEM (software) but went back to school to study Psych on the side.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/19 08:17 AM
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“Confrontational” on a debate sub.. 🤣 The people who are upset here are the ones who resort to ad hominem quips because they’re unable to make a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 09:22 PM
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Share this “data”, please. We’re all dying to see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 08:56 PM
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What % of reds know basic arithmetic?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 08:34 PM
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Stop denying reality ffs.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 08:22 PM
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Wtf are you even talking about? Please explain what is even "at fault" here when the vast majority of men reported that they're satisfied sexually?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 08:13 PM
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TRP's pareto is that the top 20% of men are having 80% of the sex. From the Swedish study, the math on that doesn't work out when 72% of men are reporting being satisfied with their sex lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 07:58 PM
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another % says they're too stressed or don't have time for sex. So you agree that this has nothing to do with women? You're not making a very solid argument for yourself here, frankly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 07:18 PM
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Or that Sweden is cold AF in winter and that Thailand is cheap, maybe? Edit: Jesus, some people make wild leaps. "Men are rational". Yeah... /s
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 07:10 PM
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Sweden made prostitution illegal. Quick google search shows that 8-14% of Swedish men have paid for sex and that most of those men were between 30-50.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 07:05 PM
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Why are 72% satisfied? Edit: In addition, why did 70% of men report that they had sex in the last year? It seems that if there is any pareto principle at play here, it's that 20% of men do 80% of the complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 06:20 PM
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I agree with you; however, I would argue that this is largely a result of the personality trait of openness. Women are, on average, higher in openness with a proclivity to sensitivity and a preference for variety/nuance, which lean to liberalism. Men are, on average, lower in openness, with a tendency to rigidity, order, and conventionality, which lean to conservatism. Additionally, there is an arrogance that has been shown to come with intelligence. Men having a wider range in IQ are, on averag…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 03:23 PM
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I mean that in the cases of men I did pursue, they didn't genuinely like me. Not in the same way as the men who pursued me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 02:28 PM
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It's really not about me. It's a common topic among my female friends about how their brothers are/were coddled, yet the daughters/women aren't. It's also a common topic in psychology. I don't exactly understand what is controversial about saying that a Mother's love for her son is different to that of her daughter.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 01:54 PM
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It's nowhere near as affectionate, tender, or "loving" as a Mother to her son. Every baby's first relationship is with it's mother - this is the most significant relationship with the most impact on all future relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 01:48 PM
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I feel like I've somehow communicated this image of my mother not loving me, which isn't true at all thankfully. My point is that I don't believe daughters are openly as favored or accepted as sons are. There is a profoundly unique love that boys receive from their mothers that I am arguing daughters do not receive. Whether it's to do with being the same sex, with the Electra complex, there is an instinctual competition between a Mother and her girls, which leads to less affection and more criti…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 01:46 PM
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More people have an available/active mother than an available/active father. Arguably, the relationship you have with your peers is dependent on your relationship with your Mother as a baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 01:33 PM
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Sure, I agree. We like to talk about averages here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 01:25 PM
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I'm sorry about that. Not to invalidate your personal experience, but for the purpose of the argument, I hope you can understand that you are an outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 01:18 PM
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Being used as a flesh light for shallow sex by narcissistic men isn't how I personally define privilege. The sad thing is, you think less attractive men are somehow different to this; you aren't. Very few men are empathetic with the capability to see women as people. Just as you've described me here, most men see women in their heads as fictional characters devoid of substance. The only difference is that ugly men don't have the opportunity to act in the same way that every asshole Chad does. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 09:09 AM
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Hey, keep rolling along with whatever fantasy projection helps you navigate your life, man. We're all free here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 08:43 AM
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I mean, I (women) still give signals to the guy. If he doesn't approach, he's not interested enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 08:34 AM
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/u/Rabidstuffy has it right. It's not that I date every man who approaches, obviously looks matter for whether I'm attracted to them, but I don't find men who politely approach as creepy. These are not the men who are getting sexual assault charges against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 08:28 AM
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This wasn't a comment on what makes a man a man; it was a comment on why I don't approach. You wouldn't know the first goddamn thing about having to try, people just want you because you exist and have a vagina with no effort required Oh, because it sure sounds like you understand what it's like to be a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 08:26 AM
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Have you ever considered that you’re projecting?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 05:08 AM
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God I love it when men try and tell me what I think and feel. Don't you get bored in that little world in your tiny head, where only you exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 10:18 PM
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The point is that their attractiveness is irrelevant, at least in terms of a sexual assault charge. I am genuinely impressed by any guy who is confident enough to approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 09:45 PM
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Quite the contrary. I respect men who actually have the balls to cold approach and ask me out politely; it's refreshing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 09:42 PM
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What are the men on here?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 09:25 PM
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Because I don't date women, I date masculine men who go after what they want in life. Every man who has ever genuinely liked me, pursued me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 09:17 PM
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That's only because of feminism in Germany.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 08:23 PM
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Yes, exactly. And increasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 06:02 PM
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I feel like they should date TRP or MGTOW. But for reals, it scares me how many sad, bitter people there are in the world; people that have absolutely no experience with relationships that are built on respect, trust, communication, care. This probably sounds like some "touchy feelsy", blue-pill BS to most people here but I can't possibly fathom why you would ever pursue a relationship with someone based on manipulation and games. Because they're "high value"? Get fucked. Is that really the type…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 05:48 PM
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I’m not into casual and think a good LTR is better than being single, plus I want to have kids one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 03:09 AM
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Single for the last 2.5 years, celibate for about 9 months. I enjoy solitude so I generally like it and honestly wish I’d spent more of my life being single. That said, I love sex and definitely think I’d prefer to be in an LTR but it would have to be with an independent guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 09:06 PM
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It’s a mix of A and C, IMO. And shit, I feel like men just need to understand what good foreplay is; it’s like catnip for us. You need to tease her with push and pull tactics for a solid hour before sex and she will be DTF.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 08:15 PM
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Enjoy the decline hehehe
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 07:41 PM
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Retreat! Retreat!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 07:08 PM
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IDK I guess from the men I've dated, my experience has been that their exes who were obviously younger, were the most attractive women they've had. So their future looks standards are still high, even higher, trying to match up with the perfect ex. I could see how your perspective makes sense too though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 07:02 PM
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Bjs arent on my fun plate. So interesting! They are like better than sex for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 06:43 PM
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It's all about building anticipation. Send her dirty texts while she's at work about how much you want to fuck her. Then when she gets home, tease the shit out of her with your masculinity - pick her up, spank her playfully, grab her tits, give her a sensual massage while kissing her neck, but don't let her touch you back or take control. Basically edging 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 06:30 PM
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I'm confused - it's like you're assuming her n-count means she was adventurous in bed; it doesn't. I've commented this several times now but a lot of women rack up a high n when they are really young simply because they do not know how to be assertive and say No. She wasn't enthusiastic about much of any of it She was never enthusiastic about any of it. The only difference is now she is older and is with a guy she trusts, she can comfortably be honest. I am her husband, and I don't get the treat…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 04:17 PM
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That's because women are selecting for an LTR, men are selecting for sex. If men were selecting for an LTR, they'd swipe on fewer people too; men always say that their standards are higher for commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 03:30 PM
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NAWALT
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 05:26 AM
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How does that make sense when men seem to always still be pining after their first love?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 05:22 AM
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Men initiate most non-marital breakups, fyi.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 05:19 AM
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The same study showed that women messaged a wider range of men, including the ugliest men. Men only messaged the most beautiful women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 05:17 AM
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An argument is a claim with evidence. There's no point discussing one person's anecdotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 01:59 PM
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Show me the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 01:25 PM
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They are two separate things to me, that's why I listed them both.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 12:25 PM
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Same but I think it's possible to battle that, which is the growth IMO. TBH, I'd say I also get complacent/stagnant when single too from the rigidity of being stuck in my ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 04:06 AM
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She would be an asshole, e.g. one time we came out of a restaurant where I paid for everything, She looks at a sports car on the side of the road and says: "I wish I was out with someone who drives this car". I retorted by saying this car isn't that expensive and I can afford it, so she goes: "But you don't own it so shut up". Things like this. She would be emotionally manipulative by saying things like this at 1 am at night: "If you come over right now, I would have sex with you" (We had not ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 03:38 AM
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She has “so many guys lined up” because she isn’t able to get commitment, because she’s an asshole. Maybe I’m being harsh but I want to be frank - it doesn’t make you look good either; you haven’t mentioned a single redeeming quality about her. Why are you interested in her?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 03:11 AM
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This is what they want, not necessarily what they’re getting. I think most people here are single tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 02:55 AM
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I can’t take you reds seriously. I mean, when you date girls like this, no wonder your relationships go up in smoke. Anyone who is an asshole in the first few times of meeting someone is genuinely an asshole. That’s the real her. The one after sex is the power play, so that you commit to her. Believe me, the original girl is the one that comes back out in a relationship, and certainly in marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 02:48 AM
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Your comment really is overkill. A lot of yours are lately. I don’t know why you’ve decided to change your writing style, and if you’re even conscious that you’re doing it, but it’s somehow inauthentic - it’s like you’re just repackaging every mgtow line, trying to shock people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/19 02:41 AM
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I feel like you have to find someone who’s crazy matches your crazy. I’m extroverted and kinda high energy. I’ve been on dates with morally “good” men who are just not my type, personality-wise; they’re too shy and vanilla. I don’t exactly like the complete opposite either but I guess there’s a middle ground that I look for.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 07:42 PM
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They do, frankly. Just like women need men for the same. How much can you ever really going to know about yourself otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 03:17 PM
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society which was and still is run by men. Why did you write this then? What was your point in adding it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 10:34 AM
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Well, as women increasingly become educated, financially independent, and move into C-suite roles, "society" won't be run by men as much. Men increasingly won't be paying for women in terms of tax contributions and women increasingly won't be as reliant on welfare/social benefits. In a capitalist system, the bottom level of poor is raised over time, as it already has been. Men can't keep figuratively clutching their pearls and saying that women or "society" is dependent on them, when increasingl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 10:03 AM
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and still is run by men This is decreasing though, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 09:39 AM
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You're delusional if you think any woman is going to say yes to some random walking up to her asking for sex. A few dates in with a girl, you could say something like "I'm not looking for anything serious / I only want casual right now".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 07:52 AM
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I'm sorry :(
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 05:15 AM
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Well sure, but then you're never really growing as a person either. No problem with that necessarily, it's just shallow / empty to a lot of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 05:14 AM
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I think the point of casual dating is that the relationships lack depth, compared to an LTR which has a lot more intimacy. The depth of emotional vulnerability and connection is what makes LTRs so risky to people who fear being hurt. I think your game also has to be on point in that you have to battle becoming completely comfortable with each other, to maintain attraction. Even TRP says relationships are hard-mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 06:20 PM
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Speak for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 11:20 AM
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Sounds awesome! Did you always know that you didn't want children?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 08:18 AM
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You divorced? She didn't want to try to make it work?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 05:43 AM
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I need solitude too - how do you make it work exactly? It's probably the biggest fear I have around marriage, being enmeshed. Do you have children too?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 05:41 AM
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This is really beautiful. Thank you for the inspo!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 05:36 AM
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I don't think it's "owed" but it does create unnecessary suffering in the world. You are potentially hurting someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 05:32 AM
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It's biological. Women bond to the current guy, whoever that is. That's why "she's not yours, it's just your turn" is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 12:47 PM
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Believe me, we don’t remember them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 10:03 AM
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"She's with you now" is a BS phrase clearly invented by a man. Women don't compare men in the way that men compare women. Read this post for more It is MEN who compare all the different women he's been with. It is MEN who give women 1/10 ratings. WOMEN don't systematize, we like the idea of each man/relationship/love being special and unique.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 08:11 AM
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Get real. No one is that "deeply attached" after sex once with someone, especially considering that it's so rare that the woman would orgasm (oxytocin). He will always remain "the one that got away." Lol I give it 2 months before she doesn't even think of him again; we (women) barely remember guys like this after a while. If anything, it will be him chasing her. The men we remember are the ones that would have made good husbands. They're probably the beta boyfriends that we dated when we were yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 07:58 AM
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Where's the source for this? Curious to learn more.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 07:17 AM
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Men initiate most non-marital breakups. Women initiate most divorces because we're brainwashed on marriage as being the ideal state for a woman, even though it comes with a heck of a lot of downsides.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 07:16 AM
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I like Jordan Peterson’s definition of “good” as that which doesn’t cause more suffering in the world, including to another person. All the TRP men that think they’re good people... no you’re not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 04:12 PM
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Because women fuck men who have committed to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 06:17 AM
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I feel the same as you sadly. I should be dating but I’m totally turned off; it’s unhealthy but I now believe that men who regard women as human beings, with thoughts, feelings, hopes, and dreams are the exception, not the rule. The thread yesterday about a man wanting to violently rape and murder women due to the “injustice” in discovering that women aren’t wonderful made me sick to my core. 🤮
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 05:54 AM
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Guys are trying to fuck all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 09:45 PM
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Didn’t you learn that what people say on reddit doesn’t actually match reality? Be careful about believing that all young people are “slutting it up”. I personally spent 16-27 in back-to-back LTRs and most of my friends were the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 09:06 PM
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Believe me, these same tactics work on men too. Men will never admit it, maybe they aren’t even aware of it, but it’s always the aloof girl naturally running dread that leads to straight up oneitis. Human nature: we can’t appreciate what comes easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 08:58 PM
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I was referring to his OP when he himself said he didn’t get women’s attention when he was young. He was the one whining that women weren’t all over him when it’s bloody obvious why - misery loves company.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 08:36 PM
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No, you misunderstand. We mock inexperienced men who come up with BS theories on "female sexuality" when they've got no damn clue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 08:20 PM
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Maybe you should...? Please copy and paste where I mention anything about him pulling. I insulted him about being an asshole, because he's an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 08:20 PM
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By who exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 07:58 PM
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Where did I insult him about "his ability to pull"?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 07:51 PM
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Oh, yes because "pulling" is how we really define a "human" these days... He is projecting his own shallowness onto the women he so vehemently hates because of his own self-hatred. He's probably not even aware of any of this yet but I guarantee you, under the facade of "BMW/six pack abs/living" is a person in unbearable pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 07:04 PM
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Then he doesn't understand the GSS data. That twitter post is blatantly false if you read the actual results from the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 07:00 PM
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How do you know when you don't date men?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 06:41 PM
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Whoever that twitter poster is, he's completely misinterpreted the numbers and/or is purposefully lying. You need to read the actual data again. All the charts say "in the last year". https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 06:40 PM
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I was talking about women who want LTRs. Which is 95% of single women..
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 06:30 PM
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With a third of the 18-30yo male population not getting any affection or sex from the opposite gender AT ALL The stat was hadn't had sex in the last year. 35% of these men are living with their parents. And 20% of women were sexless too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 06:27 PM
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It's a choice by an outlier % of women is what I'm saying. You are trying to look at this tiny sliver of "women" and extrapolate their behavior/choices to all women. It's as stupid as if I took the experience of Chad and extrapolated it to all men. but these women choose to open their sex gates early The point is the % of women. This is the more accurate story for the largest chunk of single women today. They aren't actively pursuing casual sex. They are going on dates with men they're attracted…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 06:25 PM
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NEVER have sympathy for any woman. I have sympathy for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 06:20 PM
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Women who are actively sport fucking men are the tiniest % that they're not even worth talking about. There are a large % of women who do not know how to get commitment from modern men. They fuck men on dates 1-5 and are ghosted. From the outside, it LOOKS like women are "on the CC" when they are actually (naively), unsuccessfully on the RMP trying to get a BF.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 06:15 PM
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Women aren't on the "SMP" by choice. They are ONLY on the RMP. This is why you're all high AF. It's exactly the same as women going, "Men are privileged. They can commit to and marry hundreds of women tomorrow, if they wanted to". Well that's nice, except they don't want to at all!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 06:10 PM
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This is so comical. You go on a rant, referring to some women as "fat, disgusting slobs", and you make out that it's women who don't regard men as human. Women don't want to jump on your dick, so they're the shallow ones? I mean, wake up dude. Did you ever question that perhaps people don't want to be around you, not because you're ugly, but because you're a narcissistic asshole?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 06:04 PM
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significantly more power in the SMP Only for sex. Men are the gatekeepers of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 05:53 PM
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Not true. It's meaningless because "meaning" for WOMEN is emotions and feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 05:43 PM
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Attractive, extraverted, low inhibition, party-type men are sleeping with less attractive, extraverted, low inhibition, party-type women. The introverts are at home on Reddit thinking that the rest of the world is partying without them (they're only partially right).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 05:41 PM
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It's a vegan complaining at a homeless man about an all you can eat buffet. It should be a vegan complaining about an all you can eat meat buffet. And they should complain - vegans don't eat meat (most women don't "eat" casual).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 04:07 PM
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It's an American thing that bathrooms are strictly gendered. I am saying that in Europe, everyone uses whatever bathroom is available. It's more normal to see men in women's, women in men's etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 10:14 AM
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Yes, every "cubicle" here has both a toilet and a urinal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 10:14 AM
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different cubicles multistalled Same thing, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 08:23 AM
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Plenty of times - even in our office there is one bathroom with different cubicles that have male/female on them but everyone uses any available.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 08:03 AM
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More unisex bathrooms and more people using bathrooms as though they are unisex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 07:29 AM
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This is an American thing FYI. People dgaf in Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 07:14 AM
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A man being dominant during sex is different to being dominated, which is again different to violent, non-consexual sex.. watch your language, please 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 05:50 AM
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You sound like a codependent doormat.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 09:03 PM
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I swear he cries in like every second interview.. I'm sure you can find some vids on youtube.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 06:09 PM
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Sure, but being a SAHM/P isn't really about "spending all day with the kids". It's about chores, errands, and taking care of the household ON TOP of looking after the kids. You don't get paid, you get no respect, and probably very little appreciation because your SO is exhausted when they come home from work themselves. I'm not saying it's necessarily worse than a job but it's certainly not the "leisure day" that men here are claiming.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 04:25 PM
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Nah, it's just a cop-out saying that being a SAHM is easier or "leagues better" for those that actually have good jobs that pay well.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 03:34 PM
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That’s only because you hate your job.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 02:17 PM
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I read your edit after my other comment. Firstly, I already gave you the caveat that it wasn't great data; however, it's better than ones' own stories. Secondly, how am I the one who isn't thinking critically when you go on a rant that is based on pure speculation? Without seeing the study's methodology, we can't tell who the participants were (what number marriage it was) and what questions were asked. They found that the average age people find their long-term life partner is 27 - 25 for femal…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 12:42 PM
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Like I said, I'd only quickly googled: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-meet-life-long-partner-at-27-study-reveals-a6820431.html
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 12:02 PM
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They didn't survey people that met on Match, they just ran a survey with 2000 random couples. I don't care about your anecdotal data, it's irrelevant and useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 11:53 AM
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On average, women score higher in conscientiousness than men. I also think as women experience more negative emotion, like boredom and anxiety, we often "create" things to do to manage our internal state. I personally score extremely high in conscientiousness; I'm constantly working on some project and need lots of stimulation. I've read studies it correlates to getting more pleasure from sex too, which is kinda cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 09:27 AM
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Don't put words in my mouth.. You're anecdotal story is nice and all but that doesn't make it the "rule" while any deviation is the exception. Can't say this is great data but a quick google says that Match.com ran a survey and most women answered they met their husband after 25, while men met their wife after 28.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 09:10 AM
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I have a hopelessly sensitive temperament and try to fix people, in an unconscious attempt to fix my parents (nasty divorce when I was 5, which sent them both into depression, which for whatever reason I blamed myself for). I’m lucky though and have made a cushy life for myself. I’m a restless, type-A, flaky workaholic, generally bored with life but also wildly curious. 90% of the time I’d rather be high on ketamine.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 08:55 PM
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This is taboo to admit on the manosphere for a variety of reasons. Like.. ?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 01:18 PM
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I'm confused. The average age for marriage is around 30 now. I don't think most couples getting married are those that met in high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 12:53 PM
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How is that not just another way of saying that the majority of marriages are between couples of similar ages? If this is such a strong preference of men, why don't we see the reverse?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 11:48 AM
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Yeah, this is why I’m a serial monogamist - sex is way better in relationships (in that I actually orgasm).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 05:14 AM
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looksmatch != overall SMV
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 03:21 PM
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But like I said, statistics show that men are the ones initiating most non-marital breakups and women initiate most divorces. This means that in most relationships, it is men who are the ones moving on, which is because of my main OP - men increasingly do not want to get married, nor do they care about "wifey material".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 10:01 AM
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This “experience of men” is fictional too because like I said in my OP, most women aren’t single between 20-30, they have committed LTRs. “Branch swinging” seems to be another way of saying breaking up and moving on to someone who is better for you, and I mean, no shit, people get smarter as they get experience. But men are the ones who initiate most non-marital breakups, so it’s not women with the case of “grass is greener”.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 01:44 AM
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Do you.. do you know how basic statistics work?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 08:03 PM
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Now?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 07:58 PM
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All hail our queen!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 05:10 PM
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RP: "I only date women for their appearance" Also RP: "Women who improve their appearance are petty and shallow"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 04:40 PM
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"women are the covert communicators" /s
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 04:18 PM
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Don't play dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 04:12 PM
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Yes, it's MBTI. Do you have a preferred test? You probably know of a better one than me but this one was recommended to me by someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 03:15 PM
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Who are you talking to exactly? This fictional woman in your head doesn't match my past relationship history at all. It's actually interesting watching this twisted hill that you sad men repeatedly try to die on.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 02:47 PM
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Less 6s and 7s men want commitment. It has nothing to do with the women. Men increasingly see relationships as a hassle.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 02:44 PM
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ENTJ seems to be all over online?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 02:05 PM
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It feels like a big change / new chapter / fresh start / born again / etc. Edit: Just say what you're really trying to say, which is that you feel personally inconvenienced when women don't look and dress according to your narrow sexual preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 01:57 PM
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You probably are an ENTJ because we're so rare but that 16 personalities site is a shitty test. This one is a good one: http://kisa.ca/personality/
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 01:49 PM
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Am I attracted to the second guy? I mean, a guy can be average/meh but I still get wet for him just the same... But honestly, it sounds like #1 would be my choice as I'm very attracted to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 01:43 PM
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Because ENTJ correlates to status and material success in the world, which is what women find most attractive in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 01:39 PM
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Yes, it's less that men like me and more that I like very few men.. I feel like my entj-ness makes it very hard for me to be impressed by anyone and men always want that doting, needy girl type.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 01:37 PM
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Where do I say that every man has options? I don't know how many times I need to tell you guys the same thing over and over: the number of guys willing to enter an LTR is declining, despite a lack of regular sex. Women are not going to date a man they are not attracted to, agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 12:43 PM
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Happens to me all the time too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 11:07 AM
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You're the one who tried to draw the connection between consulting others before making a decision and top-tier levels of a career... Men are risky to women; we're protective of our friends' and often unsure ourselves as we've all been played or hurt before. You've probably heard the phrase "my picker is broken" - friends help with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 10:56 AM
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I don't downvote.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 10:53 AM
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Not really.. People are like “I like hiking, I only want to date someone who is also into hiking”. That has nothing to do with league and everything to do with a very narrow window for “suitable”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 10:44 AM
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And definitely not ENTJ for women... 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 09:06 AM
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We don’t consult each other on who to fuck. If the girl is introducing you to her friends, chances are you’ve fucked her already as it comes later in the relationship. The friend approval is more about matching personalities and whether they think the guy/relationship will be a positive thing in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 08:37 AM
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Politics, mostly, is my guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 11:23 PM
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What's more likely the case is that they have a very narrow definition of "suitable partner" for themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 11:15 PM
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I've already shared this before: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5421994/ Women are increasingly marrying men of lower "marriage material"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 11:00 PM
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n count socioeconomic class reason for break up / divorce how/why they found the pillosphere
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 10:55 PM
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News flash: you're her plate too, buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 10:53 PM
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It is nowhere near equal to the "chunk" of what a woman's looks are, which is Atlas' point that it's fundamentally false to compare the value of a man and a woman based on looks. You can't look at a couple on the street and accurately tell who has the higher SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 10:51 PM
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I understood your point completely. You're just embarrassed that your "point" made you look like an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 10:42 PM
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(a) men rarely consult others This is hilarious. I've reported directly to multiple CEO's in Silicon Valley and they consult others before making major decisions. Impulsive men rarely consult because of their egos. (b) men need to be prepared not just to impress the woman, but also her friends Agreed. (c) if you don't trust your judgement, it's gonna make it tough to rise to top-tier levels in any career. Again, it's not about not trusting your judgement, it's about getting an outsiders' perspec…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 10:37 PM
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Because most of a man’s “SMV” isn’t visible. Women don’t rate a man by what he looks like; men keep projecting how they rate women based on looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 10:04 PM
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women are only truly attracted to the top minority of men I only somewhat agree with this. I think that it is a much higher % than 20% that women can be attracted to. I think that the top 20% are the ones that are objectively physically attractive enough to get swiped right based on a photo alone; however, there is still another 30-40% who women would also be attracted to if only those guys approached women more IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 04:45 PM
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No, she shouldn’t change strategies at all. Too many women “changed strategies” and fucked everyone over by destroying any value of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 03:23 PM
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You try to understand why but you don’t, evidently. “The great question that has never been answered, and which I have not yet been able to answer, despite my thirty years of research into the feminine soul, is "What does a woman want?” - Freud
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 03:14 PM
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I think you and other men here underestimate the “average man” and his desires. I recently thought I might like to date someone and went onto OKC, I want to say at least half of the profiles of men had “looking for non-monogamy and hookups” and these were not attractive “Chad” men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 03:10 PM
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Are you all purposefully dense? Most men would rather be in a LTR This number is declining is my MAIN POINT. "MOST MEN" increasingly do NOT want to be in an LTR. They don't see it as a good deal. They see it as a hassle and would prefer to be single, despite having periods without sex. You keep throwing yourselves at the most attractive men, who don't have to settle for you Women date the men they are attracted to, yes. The reality is he doesn't find you worthy of marriage Men increasingly do no…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 02:54 PM
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Because women do not systematize men in the way that men systematize women. I guarantee you that 90% of women are oblivious to dividing men into "Alpha" and "Beta" or "Chad" and "Non-Chad". We don't think like this. We only think "I am attracted to him".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 02:40 PM
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No woman willingly enters into "plate status". Women don't know how to get commitment, they casually date a guy they find attractive, not knowing he is a Chad, then later realize he isn't going to commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 02:37 PM
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most young women during the casual sex phase in their college years disproportionately date men who are considerably more attractive than the average man How is it ME that is warped by apex fallacy when you write things like this? Have you seen men in college? Chad's are RARE. I went to a catholic high school and the nerds were banging the other nerdy girls. It's like you people live in an alternate universe. These early sexual encounters with above average men become the yardstick You think the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 02:33 PM
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How are we not agreeing with each other? Women at 30 are opting out of dating altogether because of their past experiences. It's not because "men aren't marriage material", it's because not all women are in a place where they desire or feel ready for marriage themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 02:15 PM
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So basically you disagree that men are increasingly wary of relationships and marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 01:07 PM
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That is the more common case of what I see for both men and women, than the story of people who are single for the entire time from 20-30 and pumped and dumped.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 01:03 PM
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There are so many things in this post that I have to question. Please note, I am 29F who is preferring to stay single, and I am speaking from my personal experience and that of my close single girlfriends. arent impressed by the current cohort of marriageable men. Men increasingly do not want to get married. Theyre also far more content with having medium to short term relationships with desirable men than longterm relationships with mediocre joe. No they aren't. Women start relationships with m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 11:00 AM
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Sure, the good girl makes sense for a lot of reasons. And btw, I get why you might be insecure about that but I don't think you need to be. Higher n people still fall hard IMO and you can still be "special" - actually even more so.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 07:33 AM
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Married men are happier than single men, honey.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 07:31 AM
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Eh, it's less of a "hive mind" and more of a woman being unsure and not wanting to make a hasty decision. Sometimes we know we're emotionally charged and ask our friends to make sure we're thinking clearly/rationally and not just acting impulsively.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 07:29 AM
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Just because women file doesn’t mean that the men were happy. Men would never file when they are financially bound.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 05:23 AM
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Up until 35 is fine. Hell, even 40 is fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 05:22 AM
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I work in STEM myself and most STEM men are betas. It’s so so rare to get a masculine engineer who works out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 05:03 AM
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I’m talking about LTRs
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 05:01 AM
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I’m talking about LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 05:01 AM
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Sure but our friends know us intimately too, obviously. We want them to get along with any SO.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 10:00 PM
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Which is fine but high n doesn't inherently mean she'd cheat. Hell, most women rack up their numbers in college when their self-esteem is low and they are too doormatty to say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 09:54 PM
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It's not about getting our friends jealous, it's about getting our friends' approval of the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 09:50 PM
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I've only ever read about that on reddit. It's literally never come up in any of my relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 09:48 PM
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Oh, I totally admit it's a weird complex. I wasn't so insecure about it until I started reading TRP. I guess I just imagine that low n people are best suited to other low n people. I'm higher n and I am best suited to other higher n people with a mix of LTR/casual experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 09:41 PM
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IME attractive (high n) men don't care about this or it never comes up in the conversation/relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 09:36 PM
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I get that it's not your problem but there is a problem of single women who don't understand how to get what they want (commitment), hence why they turn to RPW.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 09:29 PM
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They don't marry Becky for money, they marry her because she's "wife material"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 09:26 PM
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I don't agree with the reasons in your OP but I do find inexperienced men less attractive. For me personally, I am turned off if I find out/realize that I have more experience than the guy. I somehow feel guilty and that I am "tricking" someone. I prefer dating higher n men who I know have a similar past. Edit: Also, why are women more drawn to men with girlfriends? it's like they become 10x more attractive. Yeah... I don't relate to this at all. Men with girlfriends who make passes at other wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 09:22 PM
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Stop riding my dick and actually read what I wrote. Water retention is not just impacted by glycogen; it's affected by salt intake, hormones, birth control, supplements, etc. Women can gain more than 10lbs when menstruating. Separately, I personally gain 5-10lbs after a heavy training day, like legs. "15 lbs" of fat is very different to just general weight, is my main point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 05:03 PM
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It must get awfully boring in your little, closed world.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 10:47 AM
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I drink 6L of water and there’s still food, coffee etc on top of that. My PT says it’s the same for him and he’s a pro bodybuilder. Different people retain more water.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 09:40 AM
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It's not fat, obviously, it's water weight and yes they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 08:18 AM
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I'm 5'6, 140lbs, and can put on 10lbs overnight when I get my period, even on 1400 cals. I put on 3-4kg in water after leg day!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 08:17 AM
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Women can put on 10 pounds in water weight overnight.. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 05:25 AM
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I don't ask men out, I don't date women. Interested men initiate and pursue. I don't care about the men I am missing out on with this strategy. I am also direct with men when I am not interested; however, IMO this is more about the trait of assertiveness, which men are higher in on average. Men do also usually react very badly and so I prefer to do everything by text now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 08:21 AM
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Why would that make you happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 05:20 AM
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What do you mean? I'm saying a huge appeal of him and the reason I chose him over other Chads my age was that he was respectful, honest, and committed - this is what an adult experience is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 08:50 PM
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Do you really think men are going after younger women to widen their dating pool..?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 08:29 PM
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Of course, I'm not saying there aren't any women into older men. I was only sharing my experience of what a relationship is actually like when there is a large age gap. I do think my older guy preference was partially me being codependent, which I grew out of but also from just being higher IQ and having a wide range of interests, so we hit it off immediately. He was actually my boss when we met, I left the company and then we started dating. So not rare but certainly not common either. And I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 08:22 PM
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I agree but the way men frame it is wrong IMO. A woman learns that her constant negativity is unattractive when her girlfriends cut her off from the group or she experiences her friends rolling their eyes when she starts moaning about her problems. Because men don't ever express themselves to anyone other than their SO's, they somehow end up thinking that it's specifically women who are incapable of dealing with their vulnerability. Men should go and cry and complain repeatedly to their male fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 07:58 PM
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Why would any young girl do casual with what is effectively a lower value man than a high value Chad her age? If a girl is going to do casual between LTR's, she's going to go for the hotties on Tinder. The best thing an older guy has going for him is that he can offer commitment and a loving/respectful LTR to a younger woman who is likely dating immature fuckboys her age otherwise. Older men seem to be completely oblivious to how much the market has changed. I see young guys in my gym every morn…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 07:50 PM
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Yes, but for whatever reason men seem to think that this only happens to men. No one likes hanging around negative people day in and day out, it's toxic and taxing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 07:42 PM
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News flash: women lose attraction for their female friends who also constantly complain about their problems without doing anything to solve them. Call me conceited but I do not believe that women just up and leave a man at the first sign of vulnerability. It happens after a long time of the guy being stuck in his troubles. Men do not get the professional help that they should when they're in a phase of depression. A younger woman will not be as understanding or patient at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 07:27 PM
1

Consoling in a BP kind of way. I think someone who has experienced similar things themselves is far more consoling and pragmatic but you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 06:21 PM
2

What do you think an older man would think? Like the man's boss, for example? What about the man's father?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 06:19 PM
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open your eyes Do you realize how far the average man is from DiCaprio? Open your eyes, honey.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 05:39 PM
3

I'm sorry you feel that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 05:19 PM
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Talk to any 19 year old about your life problems and tell me how consoled you are as a man versus a woman of your own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 03:06 PM
3

Like I said, it's less about one factor than the whole package IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 02:59 PM
1

Both men and women IMO. Everyone wants to be important and powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 02:51 PM
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I think it's a lot more nuanced than that. Every man wants to be admired and the most admirable men have it all (wife, children, house, influential career, social power). It's less about one factor (the woman) and is far more about having the most compelling WHOLE package.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 01:45 PM
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So, should women who are 35 and dating a 19 year-old women be judged in the same way as a man doing the same in your view Of course; IMO it's not about gender here, it's about age, which corresponds to what you've already achieved in your life, what goals/ambitions you have left, and what partner would best support you to create the life you want for yourself. isn't it better that he gets with her instead of a 35 year-old woman looking for "Mr.Right"? This shouldn't even be considered as an opti…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 11:14 AM
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I still think it applies. It’s the rule that relationships are better with a closer age gap, and successful deviations are exceptions. I honestly also think men risk being cheated on. For how wary some guys are about marriage/divorce, it blows my mind that they would specifically want a huge age gap, knowing how much the girl could be tempted.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 10:25 AM
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When I was 19, I dated a 35 year old for 5 years. Despite it being a successful relationship in a lot of ways, it didn’t have a future; we were in completely different stages of life and it became increasingly obvious that we just couldn’t be the right team partner for each other. I feel like older men like the idea of a young, beautiful woman but don’t think about or understand what else that really comes with. I can honestly look back and say that I was a complete child and not even capable of…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 10:03 AM
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NAWALT
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 03:24 AM
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I disagree. I think most people, men and women, have “mates”, which IMO are usually childhood friends that have lasted over time. For women, “mates” are often their bridesmaids, they are a deeper bond than their friends, like a sister level.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 03:17 AM
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I disagree that a woman leaving a man for a richer one is seen as practical or an upgrade, it's equally seen as shallow and heartless IMO. It's only seen as positive in the case of the first man being a complete deadbeat with no hope of changing, and only if she's already stuck around for a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 06:51 PM
1

Sure but man, again, men do exactly the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 06:37 PM
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But look around you, how many “high status guys” do you think there are in the world compared to the people in relationships? I think women for sure love out of respect and admiration, and they have to be impressed by a guy to love him, but he doesn’t have to be a rockstar or celebrity. I think unconsciously, women really do want a father/daughter relationship on some level. Women want a man that they can feel safe with, like their father.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 06:28 PM
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It’s just not framed like that in my mind. It’s far more about giving than receiving, for me personally. The only way I ever even know I’m in love with a guy is for the feeling of wanting to endlessly make him happy and care for him. I do believe in the Nietzsche philosophy that all relationships are transactional, but love for me is for the pleasurable feelings that I get from seeing someone happy and that their life is better because of me. I feel a duty to it and like I’m responsible for this…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 06:24 PM
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Some men, maybe. I don't think y'all know what real love is...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 06:07 PM
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but I think there will be more men which actually love her than the contrary (women interested in a famous man), due to the hypergamy Is this really due to "hypergamy"? Isn't it due to women having higher standards than men (unlike men, women "love" based on a lot more than physical)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 06:06 PM
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It's an unnecessary risk FOR YOU. We can all choose whatever life we want. If you have decided that it's not for you, great (!), but don't harp on to others as if what you're saying is objective fact. My problem is with you/men invalidating the experience of others without even seeking to understand. I have loved men for who they are. I have had broke boyfriends working shitty jobs, who have openly cried to me many times about different things they were going through. Frankly, yours and TRP's in…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 05:47 PM
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Do you think that men don't/can't change in love too? People change, thus love can change. Love is always a risk, you shouldn't expect certainty from life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 05:35 PM
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Okay, but doesn’t that just come down to women being attracted to different things than men? How is that about love? Both are still just as conditional - you “love” Megan Fox for her looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 04:15 PM
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I act differently with different people based on the chemistry/synergy between us. It has little to do with physical attractiveness IMO. I've had terrible dates with some Chad's because we just weren't into the same things and the vibe between us wasn't right.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 02:44 PM
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Yes, but feminism doesn't "care" about single women who can't get married and have children for example. It doesn't "care" about women who are too ugly to find partners and are unhappy. It only ever cared about giving women the opportunities to build a life for themselves that men always had. Men do not have the opportunities to completely exercise their agency when it comes to the types of roles they want to pursue for their own happiness What opportunities would these be? Men have always been …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 02:42 PM
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Because you/men don't believe women when we say, "we DO love you for your personality, character, company, and how we interact".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 02:34 PM
1

Don't you think you can say the same about men and famous women? Margot Robbie? Megan Fox?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 02:33 PM
1

How do men love women? How is different to how women love men, in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 02:32 PM
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I don't understand it either. All my boyfriends were sensitive guys who openly cried at times.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 02:26 PM
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I mean, I’m the most likely girl on Earth to be into convos like that but not on a first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 07:20 PM
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This happens to me as a girl too. I am basically used as the fun, adventurous friend for my boring girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 07:19 PM
4

I don't really know if "boring" is the exact right word to describe the type of guy/date I am thinking of when I say boring. I vividly remember a terrible first Tinder date I went on where the guy spoke only about the Syrian crisis for literally 2 hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 05:53 PM
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You don't sound boring at all. IMO, boring is more about your personality and energy than the activities that you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 05:25 PM
1

The US is included in the actual report.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 06:38 AM
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Women do put more premium on ethics than looks compared to men. Many studies have shown that men are more visual. Fun = ethics. Nice + fun = the dream combo except it’s too damn rare so women have to sacrifice.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 10:52 PM
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How is this shallow? It’s entirely based on personality. Shallow would be the 6ft blah blah requirements that men think women want, when it’s far less complicated than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 10:49 PM
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The same report said 20% of women were the same (maybe even higher, I can’t remember exactly).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 10:43 PM
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You didn’t understand me. I’m not saying assholes = fun. I’m saying the guys that are fun to women are often assholes to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 10:40 PM
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Get over yourself. It’s exactly like a trophy wife. It’s human nature - we all care about our own status and self-image and attractive partners make us look better.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 10:33 PM
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Just give me an idea of where women are saying this to you? Was it in high school? Is it from reddit? Where has your perspective on this been formed? How can that count? They are completely different questions: “What are women attracted to?” “Why might someone else find me attractive?”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 10:29 PM
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There aren’t enough Chads for that logic to work out, compared to the number of people in relationships. Whether you like it or not, people match up with their looksmatch. Men overestimate their value and underestimate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 10:23 PM
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Answer the question. Where are women openly answering the question of “what are you attracted to?” Please note the difference in this between “what kind of guy do you want as a partner?”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 10:08 PM
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Not the same personality traits but enough of an overlap, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 09:59 PM
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Where exactly do women claim about what they’re attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 09:52 PM
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No, we honestly do not. It is MEN that have no idea what it's like dating Chads. "Women date assholes" - those "assholes" are positive, charismatic, fun, fit, exciting guys. FUN! Yes, they are also often arrogant and selfish but this is bearable. We see it, we know it, we overlook it. No man is perfect, we all make compromises and we (women) care more about a fun/hot guy that we can show off to our friends than a boring simp. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 09:30 PM
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Like I said, you're still young. What happens at +65? Again, this isn't me "shaming" from personal opinion, I'm a psych student, I'm looking at this data every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 09:20 PM
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Well, yes, now it might be, while you're younger. Good luck when you're old and alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 09:09 PM
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And what about eros? Can you live a fulfilling life without it? I am playthings to them. Aren't you getting back what you give?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 08:40 PM
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The whole point of this thread was arguing against men and women as hiveminds. Why do you as an individual man need to give a fuck about MEN as a whole entity? What do you personally value? What future life do you -personally want? You can choose and create whatever you want and you can certainly find a woman who values/wants the same life as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 08:23 PM
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Did you see that the report I shared analyzed 420 samples and 120 countries spanning from 1960 to 2011? Cherry-pick all you like but don't call TRP "empirical" because it's clearly not. women could very well be more willing and able to branch swing Where's your data? MEN cheat more in all age groups except for 20-29, where men and women are even. MEN are also far more likely to remarry, with more women choosing to stay single after divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 08:19 PM
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I'm really sorry you're feeling like this :( I understand that you're probably out of hope at this point and while I respect whatever life you think is best for you, I do think your main point of focus shouldn't be your relationship with women but your self-esteem and your relationship with yourself and how you relate to other people. Just trying to understand the context more, but what opportunities have you had for relationships and pursuing women? It sounds like you have been quite isolated d…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 08:11 PM
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How does that change anything? Different people are incentivized by different things. TRP attracts black and white thinkers who can't handle such nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 07:50 PM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28490820
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 07:43 PM
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It is hard to believe because TRP doesn’t match the actual scientific data. Women are marrying men of lower status than themselves and these marriages show no higher risk of divorce than marriages where the man earns more. Further, TRP has no data to show that sex only drops off for “betas”. It completely ignores the effects of cohabitation, age, and child-birth on female libido, irrespective of how “alpha” their SO is or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 07:25 PM
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That's an opinion, sure, but we don't really know the answer to that. Personally, I don't really see the issue. People have different values and have all kinds of dreams for their lives/futures. We should just find people who want the same as us and stop looking at "men" and "women" as hiveminds.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 04:15 PM
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Serious question: how does society care about the relationship status and happiness of women? Feminism isn't directly about happiness; it's about having the opportunities and choices to create happiness (that men already had).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 04:11 PM
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Whaaat.. Firstly, TRP teaches men about how low value men think women actually are. It's one subjective perspective. Secondly, feminism is a response to men controlling female sexuality and choice. I'm not saying I support third-wave feminism and beyond but you're purposefully being obtuse by ignoring the oppression of women throughout history by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 03:47 PM
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Sure, but many men leave after the child is born.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/19 01:00 PM
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Don't you think in the majority of cases they would have preferred the man to stick around?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/19 08:18 AM
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Not biologically; only because it's culturally enforced for men to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/19 08:18 AM
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What woman wants a short fling that results in breeding? This is what men want.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/19 04:59 AM
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The report I shared has analyzed some 150+ peer-reviewed reports to arrive at their conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 05:59 PM
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How did you take away that conclusion from the above? The point is that there is no association between the man's earnings and happiness (if we're measuring happiness by divorce).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 05:39 PM
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"Prior to the 1980s when men clearly had more education than women and hypergamy was the norm, men who married women with more education were more likely to divorce. However, as the situation reversed and wives now have more education than their husbands, the association between wives’ educational advantage and divorce has disappeared. Among marriages formed since the 1990s, wives with more education than their husbands are no more likely than other couples to divorce (Schwartz and Han 2014). A …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 05:21 PM
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Aren't you the one who is making assumptions based on your social circle? Are Mormons, Persians, Armenians, SE Asians the general population that we're usually referring to on PPD...? For people living in American / Western secular culture, people are marrying later and having extramarital partners. "Comparison is the Thief of Joy" isn't exactly supported by data. You are effectively arguing that people who have had premarital partners report lower marital satisfaction or overall lower happiness…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 04:32 PM
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That's quite an assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 04:07 PM
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Sure but you implied that a couple who starts a point A will unlikely to get to point B. You're out of touch with the fact that ALL couples are increasingly starting at point A. People don't care about puritan hangups around premarital sex anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 04:03 PM
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Why is it an "act" when someone doesn't want to party at 30 in the same way that they did at 20? The partying at 20 is the act.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 08:09 AM
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She's right, it sounds like you're out of touch.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 08:08 AM
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Women still have to survive in the world, they just don't need the same level of motivation/drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 05:37 AM
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It has been studied; women increasingly marry lower earning men. https://onlinelibrary-wiley-com.ezproxy.une.edu.au/doi/full/10.1111/padr.12012
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 03:55 AM
2

I've definitely fallen hard for guys that weren't conventionally attractive if that's what you mean. It does take longer though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/19 01:45 PM
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Short term for me is only an evaluation for long term, so I think my standards are always the same. When a man doesn't live up to my standards, I tell him it's not working out, which makes the relationship "short term". I don't get into "long term" with anyone that I wouldn't get into "short term" with - basically, I only date people that I am physically attracted to and I would rather die alone than settle. Sure, hot charismatic guys get my interest earlier but IME they usually do not have the …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/19 12:48 PM
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I think everyone loves just as naively until they get their hearts broken a couple of times. Perhaps women have their hearts broken earlier than men, as they get attached by early sex, whereas men get theirs hearts broken by their LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/19 10:58 AM
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Sure but the purpose of testosterone is to compete and be the best man.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/19 07:43 AM
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Men wouldn’t have to create romance if women weren’t actively creating distance and mystery. You probably aren’t aware of how you’re actually being seduced to be romantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/19 05:41 AM
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It's going to help by removing anxiety and inhibitions, which will help with all people. Your ego needs to die.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/19 12:25 PM
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Does anyone in your network rave a lot? Any burning man / EDM friends on Facebook? Also, you can directly ask people in the bathroom at clubs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/19 05:41 AM
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Eat some magic mushrooms, LSD, or ketamine. No, I'm not kidding.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 06:00 PM
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I’d love to know what he is! I feel like ENTJ women have a real hard time 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 10:37 AM
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Really? I feel like NTs don’t really get along with anyone, we are too bored.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/19 10:36 AM
3

This whole comment is hilariously ironic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 09:13 AM
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It was being downvoted much earlier than when that comment was added. I think reds are just pissed that high N people get to have the sex that they themselves want while also ending up in committed relationships later in life. Of course we know that "pair bonding" occurs but there is no research in animals or humans that shows a decrease in the ability to pair bond caused by promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 02:43 PM
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They aren't always correlated is the point. Low-n people can also have such tendencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 02:19 PM
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Sure but I am also stressing the fact that they make claims against women's "promiscuity" as being empirically supported, when they aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 01:41 PM
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Unfortunately, yes. Only way to fix it is through therapy and hopefully meeting a secure partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 01:40 PM
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I don't think it's "truthful" to say that "promiscuity causes the inability to pair bond". It is possible that happens for some people, yes, but not everyone. It's possible for low-n people who get heartbroken to develop an insecure (avoidant) attachment style too, for example, which actually describes a lot of TRP men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 01:39 PM
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TRP make out that women lose the ability to "pair bond" with each consecutive partner, which isn't true. There is no chemical "bond" except for oxytocin which everyone has, the difference is in psychological attitudes and values towards sex. Peoples' sociosexual orientation can (and often does) also change over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 11:00 AM
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TRP's "pair bonding" is not at all supported by science - neither in humans nor in animals. What is supported is that everyone has a different sociosexual orientation, which predisposes them to varying attitudes (and restrictions) towards sex. On average, men are less restricted than women, which means they are less "bonded" by the TRP definition. People high in extraversion and openness are also less restricted, as are people with insecure attachment styles who show Dark Triad traits (again, hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 10:37 AM
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Eh, I think you're more likely to be better in bed if you've been in LTRs. Sex only gets really good after the first 5 times with someone IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 12:45 PM
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He wasn't a conventionally handsome Chad but he was definitely a known bad boy. Not rich, no car, pot-head surfer guy with lots of tattoos and into punk / hardcore music. I was 16, he was 20. I only really remember the first time being surprisingly good, although I felt super awkward. It was in his room, which was actually a converted garage. We dated for about 3 months, then I got into an LTR with someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 11:17 AM
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I mean, no shit?! Are you surprised by this?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 11:20 AM
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Of course I understand THAT but it's not what we're talking about. Remember how we started this thread? You bolded "Guys want to be the one responsible for that sex visual.". All I am saying is that regardless of the men I have slept with, even the mind-blowing ones are not responsible for that visual. It's like other posters have commented here - there is a nameless, faceless man who is fucking me but, hard to explain, it's really me imagining the feeling of sex more than anything. Separately, …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 07:18 AM
2

Still failing to see the problem here..
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 04:49 AM
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The girl literally said she selected for guys she found handsome.. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 04:49 AM
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The OP said a bio helps. Of course she’d be taking it into account if they have one. We don’t even know how she deals with empty bios - most women swipe left on them. But the main point of contention I see here is that “handsome” is subjective and there isn’t anything to say exactly what that means for OP - we can’t see the guys she swiped on. I’ve requested my data from tinder and I’m going to make my own post with examples of guys I match with. They are certainly not the George Clooney type th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 11:22 PM
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I don’t get why you (men) are so pissed about this? Do you swipe right based on a woman’s bio? The OKC study data showed that men were actually far more selective about looks than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 11:16 PM
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You clearly haven’t tindered as a woman. I want to say like 70% of men’s profiles are empty bios. Tinder is designed entirely for people to go off looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 11:13 PM
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Can't help with the graph sorry, but how long did it take to get your data sent to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 10:51 PM
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I remember the guys obviously and I know which ones were "mind-blowing" and which ones were "meh" but I don't really remember all the details as to why. I'd have to really think about it and journal or something, it's not in my active memory.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 10:08 PM
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https://www.photofeeler.com/
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 09:23 PM
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Life is amoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 06:20 PM
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Why do you say "disappointingly"? That quote is basically exactly as I said. Do you mean the societies part? I was also going to add that this is a Norwegian study and may not apply so well to the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 06:08 PM
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Did you actually read the study itself? "The factor that best predicted couples’ intercourse frequency was women’s positive attitudes toward uncommitted sex. The more detached sex is to love and commitment for women (as measured by sociosexual attitudes), the more they possibly are willing to compromise, shifting the frequency somewhat toward their partner’s ideal frequency." TL/DR: If you want frequent sex in a relationship, LTR "sluts"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 05:39 PM
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Read the study again.. It was only recently that >10 took over as the highest risk group, it was always the 2 partner group before that. https://ifstudies.org/blog/counterintuitive-trends-in-the-link-between-premarital-sex-and-marital-stability
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 04:12 PM
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I'm so confused. I always thought they meant your definition too, like a biochemical bond. They are wrong anyway obviously; women can both have a high n and have serious relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 02:28 PM
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Can you easily link me? I'd be interested in reading through.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 02:02 PM
1

I actually think I’d choose the guy on the right because I’m also into fitness. I think when you get into bodybuilding, your perception gets warped to a specific aesthetic. Face is important for men, but I personally get off on body over face.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 09:18 AM
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He looks gay to me too, not my type at all but I get why he’d be a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 09:13 AM
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This is why I’m single.. 😂 Both of these guys are gay. The guy on the left just knows about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 09:10 AM
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Many people only plan to live here a short time so it feels like everything has an inherent expiry date to it. Deep friendships are also hard to make here - it’s not just that it’s a big city, I think Berlin is uniquely difficult. Probably as expected it’s also a city that attracts a lot of Peter Pan / hedonistic types. “Balanced” or well-rounded people are less available.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 08:44 AM
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How do you explain that women with 2 partners were just as likely to divorce as those with >10 (same study). Clearly it’s got less to do with n-count.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 08:22 AM
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Lol please show me your source for this. It doesn’t even happen in animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 08:21 AM
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I'm sorry that happened to you. I think we often forget what capability we have to hurt others, again out of our own blind selfishness. people just collect moments , happy moments. and physical connections You can't build a loaf of bread from breadcrumbs. Moments don't add up to contentment and self-actualization - you don't know what those people are thinking/feeling inside. Keep being hopeful, that's the most important thing IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 05:16 AM
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be more circumspect when dating and have little to no casual sex They do that eventually, after learning casual doesn't work for them. Some just give up and never try again, it's too much hassle, and life is generally good with your girlfriends to talk to, and a vibrator. This doesn't fix men's problems though ("men are endlessly searching and were just plain neglected physically and sexually"). I don't think "the rest of men are left with nothing" only because women are chasing after Chad's. Li…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 05:02 AM
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I understand that you're angry with your own luck in life but you're being conceited in thinking that you know anything about my "standards". I am not playing victim, I was expressing for discourse. Love and true connection are hard to find, man. Women rate less than 20% of photos attractive - it doesn't mean they're attracted to less than 20% of men in real life. If you go and read actual research papers on attraction, and actually look at the people around you, most pair up with their looksmat…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 04:52 AM
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Definitely, it's the best city in the world for music. Kater Blau is awesome too. Cliche but Berghain on Sundays day-time is my favorite. I actually really like Publicworks in SF. It's probably the only club in the US I genuinely enjoyed but I haven't been to many there to be fair. I'm not very girly and love to dance, so I love that you can just wear sneakers in Berlin and rave. It's a tough city to date in though.. haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 08:30 PM
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I live in Berlin and it's very normal to go to clubs alone; they aren't seen as a "social" event at all, most people aren't there to get sex, and it's more about getting good drugs and dancing to techno in your own introverted world. Unless you're a gay man, then it's all about sex :)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 08:13 PM
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Is there really a disconnect? I think women understand just fine, it’s just that there is nothing we can really do about it unfortunately. Women hopping on tinder specifically for NSA are still a rarity, most are trying to find a relationship. I could easily lament to you about how hard it is to find a guy to fall in love with who also loves you back and wants to be committed, which is what most women are struggling with / wanting, but likewise there isn’t much you can do about it. We also feel …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 07:26 PM
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I don't think you are actually understanding what I meant. When I see a visual of sex, it's not like it's some specific sex session that I've had before from one specific guy, it's more that I am visualizing and feeling the feeling of having sex. I'm imagining the feeling of a guy inside me. It's really not a "past sexual experience" at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 08:36 AM
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Flying high as a kite.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 05:29 AM
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It's almost as if there's an ulterior motive. Yes, to fuck them... Don’t get all high and mighty about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 05:27 AM
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I'm lost. This whole post has about 200 comments from women, 90% of them saying they cannot pick a "best" sexual partner from their history. Like I said in my OP, I think this is a male ego fantasy. I have no idea why you're talking about what a husband can't provide his wife, nor do I think women think like this. Look at all the women in this thread saying their "best" is usually just their current partner at the time but there is rarely a stand-out man from all the past lovers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 09:29 PM
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But in my comment (the part after the bolded text), I say how it's not one specific guy that I'm thinking of. So how can you/men think they are the ones responsible? You/men would never know.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 09:08 PM
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I don't believe this. I think men want to be fully remembered, face, name, etc (the way they remember women).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 08:15 PM
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Eww, this is gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 07:57 PM
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You've questioned multiple women here, obviously believing that they don't speak for most women and that you have a better idea yourself, even though your viewpoint has been invalidated: whether women remember how a man fucks really has nothing to do with n-count.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 06:54 PM
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I've written multiple comments to you now and my view is the same in all of them: women absolutely remember whether they have fucked a guy (that one girl was lying to her friend that she didn't remember whether they'd actually hooked up). Women will also forget a lot of the explicit details of the sex itself with a guy but they will store a memory of "that guy was good / bad". "Explicit details" doesn't mean whether we did x or y with a guy, we remember the acts, whether there was oral or anal e…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 06:49 PM
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I also stated that women who slept around less (had less partners) would likely remember better. There are multiple women here with low n's who said they also forget though.. you clearly have a belief that you don't want to be changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 06:42 PM
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Yes, but then multiple women here argued that that girl was lying - she would remember the guy. We all remember the individual guys but we eventually forget a lot of the explicit details of the sex itself. You wrote in a couple of places like "there are different women" - I don't think there are on this, is my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 06:21 PM
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Are you even reading the replies here? Most women aren't talking about ONS, some have even said they specifically have low n's (<=5). What is so difficult for you to accept about women forgetting all the details about sex they've had after some time? Is it that you as a man don't forget and so you find it hard to believe? I'm genuinely curious as to why this is problematic for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 06:17 PM
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Most or all women here agree with her. The better question is why you think you speak for most or all women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 06:13 PM
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people forget details about everything over time. As long as you realize that people forget details due to time, not due to n-count as you said, then we're aligned.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 05:59 PM
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Every woman here has aligned with my experience - that women can remember what sex they've had with different men but that they also forget a lot of the details after some years. They remember different men as "mind-blowing" and others as "meh". You are the one who is discounting this and trying to side with 1 anecdote told by a man. Occam's razor - that girl was probably lying or deflecting the truth because she didn't want to go into the actual details that I just stated above.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 05:50 PM
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I've read that in other reddit subs. Bi girls always say sex is better with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 05:24 PM
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I love how you ignore all the women here and just go along with the story in your head that you so obviously and desperately wish to be true. You seem to be unable to accept that women just don't remember sex after some time, regardless of their n-count. You're clearly terrified of being forgotten. Do you have abandonment issues too?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 05:22 PM
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I'm kinda jealous!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 05:20 PM
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I think she lied to you honestly. I've had casual, my friends have had casual, girls remember every explicit detail of sex. It's really an outlier/exception for them to forget.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 05:01 PM
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Yes, it makes sense and is interesting. I definitely have visual fantasies though. Your aphantasia seems to tie in with that you don't have many memories. That seems like a bit of bitter sweet superpower. I imagine you were probably easily able to get over anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 04:58 PM
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I feel like it's a fairly common trope that a guy has a "The Ex" who is a specific girl he has perpetual oneitis for sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 03:50 PM
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Theres mindblowing sex and not mindblowing sex, there isnt a 1-10 scale of sex to me Same for me and my close friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 03:48 PM
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Are you in a rship with him now, I'm assuming? Maybe that's the difference as I'm single.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 03:34 PM
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How does that make sense when the girl must have slept with you? Are you saying you only pump and dump girls who make you wait in some way?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 09:41 PM
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Do men have a wall when they become guarded after getting hurt?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 09:36 PM
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I swear shit tests are just general sarcastic banter. I think a lot of girls flirt like that, trying to play the cold, aloof, bitch that has to be won over. Men do this too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 04:45 PM
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That's not my point at all - my point is that the red pill interpretation of the observation is incorrect or at least there is no proof for it. Why does sex drop off in monogamous relationships, even for Chads?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 04:25 PM
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We know it's true because we observe it. You/TRP aren't "observing" it though. You are interpreting something based on a limited data-set. You aren't looking at all relationships and all women. You are looking at Stacies and wondering why they're on the arms of Chads, and adding your pseudo-science on top of it to avoid self-improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 04:13 PM
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I think we're agreeing with each other - my bad, sorry. What I meant was that the "worse communicators" by "societal standards" are actually the best communicators in terms of persuasion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 03:53 PM
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I agree with you, it's not my personal opinion. The masses are all about directness, assertiveness, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 03:52 PM
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This is hilariously untrue IMO. The worse communicators get the most sex. Romance and seduction is all about manipulation through covert communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 03:31 PM
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It's not what I want for myself personally either but I know I'm not a normie and an outlier. Most people really do want that instagram lifestyle IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 03:23 PM
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Can someone make a xNTx RPW high dominance crossover subreddit? /u/Atlas_B_Shruggin ?!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 12:38 PM
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I think it’s the opposite for me. Fasting increases testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 12:31 PM
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No it doesn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 12:30 PM
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I don't care. I train with a coach who won the German title for bodybuilding last year and we talk about such things all the time, so I guess I understand the lifestyle a bit more as I really got into lifting. I wanted to compete myself last year and he warned me that all the women were also on drugs and to win naturally would be near-impossible in the main divisions. You really have to want that life and it has to be part of your identity. I'm way more chill about it now and just like training …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 10:57 AM
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Isn't that saying that men who earn low amounts have less sex That's possible but it's also possible that the stress of not being financially secure also impacts their social life and sex drive. It's probably worth reading the study if you can as there are many data points I didn't highlight (e.g. a significant proportion of sexless people reported that they only went to one social event per year, aka they're shut-ins, whether for health or financial issues). Isn't that a red pill belief? The re…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 10:52 AM
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The studies aren't only financial though... "First, men were more vulnerable to short-term consequences of divorce for subjective measures of well-being, but postdivorce adaptation alleviated gender differences in these outcomes. Second, a medium-term view on multiple outcomes showed more similarity than differences between women and men. The medium-term consequences of divorce were similar in terms of subjective economic well-being; mental health, physical health, and psychological well-being; …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 10:25 AM
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Of course. Women want the better package deal but so do men. We all want the partner who is most physically attractive, best personality, highest class that we can possibly get. We all want to be upper class ourselves, the fantasy in all of our heads of our dream lives is the comfort of the upper class.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 09:42 AM
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Totally agree that it's bad for both sides. The data just shows that it's worse for women. I'm honestly open to having my viewed changed on any of this or any of these links but I'm going off what I see in studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 07:59 AM
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They don’t marry men with higher incomes, only some do, This is the point - as women have more earning power, we see less hypergamous marriages. The fact that “different women have different priorities” is NAWALT, no? It’s speculation that women struggle as a result of not properly managing the money they do get. The report says that women only generate 10% of post-divorce income from child support/alimony in the US. The major factor that puts women at such a disadvantage is that they can’t find…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 11:44 PM
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How would you define status in a way that we can measure to prove/disprove hypergamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 11:41 PM
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I don't get what you're arguing. Beta males should avoid ending up with single moms then (as they already do). The report states that the income a woman receives from child support and alimony is only about 10%.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 11:19 PM
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Yes, only low value women marry for money, thus NAWALT. Yes, it's self-reported too but so are the studies RP includes. The take-away is that men should actually marry educated, higher IQ women, who are financially independent, if they wish to marry. I am just pointing out that that research doesn't really disprove Hypergamy as it's defined by RP. Likewise though, without a definition that can be quantified, there is no empirical research to support hypergamy either. .A woman is advantaged after…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 11:16 PM
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And as your second point shows, these women want top shelf men in terms of genetics. These women select for physical attractiveness in the same way that men traditionally have. women who are more educated and don't require government assistance often end up alone because they see themselves as unattainable prizes This is speculation. Even so, isn't a good thing for men that women select for attraction only? has more status than she does. TRP is going to have to do their due diligence and define …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 10:40 PM
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Respectfully, you're going to have to include data. Yes, men might risk homelessness; however, multiple studies show that women are consistently worse off post-divorce and the effects are chronic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 10:39 PM
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I wouldn't say it's an argument against TRP's AF/BB exactly; it's more against women using/marrying men for money. Only certain women do that, less affluent women. This would support TRP marrying the "career women" that they vehemently hate. Hypergamy as used by the Redpill is about a woman wanting to marry a man who is better than her in some way, which is vague as it can be largely subjective. Education and money are the two ways that men have historically been better than women. Regarding the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 10:05 PM
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NAWALT. Women who adopt a "bi-strategic" approach to mating, wherein they select different types of men for short-term and long-term, were less educated, required government assisted income, and had more children. These women placed particular emphasis on a man’s monetary resources. Women with a monostrategic approach, who have greater control over their own resources, show preference for a man's looks over his ability to provide. These women rated themselves as attractive and intelligent and lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 08:13 PM
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This is a trap. I like it, Atlas.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 06:28 PM
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but they fuck them anyway? I mean that I still think a woman's sex drive is reactive. If a guy came onto her, just because she's bonded to someone else, it doesn't mean she wouldn't cheat in the moment. that you don't see men as living, feeling people. ... C'mon now, be reasonable. How did I communicate this at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 04:51 PM
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On a scale of 1 to Chad...? 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 04:16 PM
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It doesn’t matter whether there are different types. If you’re in a monogamous relationship with someone, you have both explicitly agreed to not cheat of any type at all. Rationalize all you want, just do it in an open relationship, and don’t go around claiming “muh loyalty”.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 02:36 PM
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Male ego.. it's really something.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 01:06 PM
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I'm not saying that. I am only speaking about the dynamics of the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 01:02 PM
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Yes, but capitalism / free markets work IMO. It takes a much longer time but eventually the lower class gets raised.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 09:50 AM
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too many women give up sex after date 2-4 Because it has worked for us. We're different types of women. I have sex with a guy when I want to have sex and am completely opposed to the notion that women "give up" sex. Because I don't view sex as a reward, I don't get hurt if it doesn't work out. And most of the time, it actually does work out and I get commitment anyway, from those high caliber men, because I don't have a cunty personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 09:37 AM
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This is complete BS. Take any other "contract", a boss fucking an employee over is no different to an employee doing it, vice versa. Cheating is cheating is cheating. Emotional cheating == sexual cheating == CHEATING.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 09:26 AM
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Like capitalism, it creates inequality though; that's why the manosphere is mad, they lose out. The only way ugly men could ever get sex is through owning women. Even now, with women earning on-par or even more than men, "resources" are useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 09:18 AM
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You're projecting male sexuality onto women. Getting sex whenever the fuck we want isn't WHAT WE WANT.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 09:16 AM
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I'm honestly like this too. I can only be into one guy at a time, even when single. In an LTR, it's not that I can't say that a random man is objectively attractive but I just lose any ability to see him in a sexual way; they're invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 09:12 AM
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75% of women file for divorce. And most never remarry. Some women describe monogamy being like blinders - only their SO is attractive, I'm like this myself. I think this is more to do with oxytocin and bonding than anything though and I also don't think it impacts propensity to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 09:06 AM
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I really wish I was part of this world you describe. Which world? Do you just want casual sex? I don't think it's easy to get first date sex, even for Chad's. if it's possible to become the high SMV guy if you're not. Yes, it is but it's hard work.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 08:45 AM
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Have you had a LTR? What makes you decide to get into one?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/19 11:22 PM
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Yeah, I should have added more to that. I didn’t mean offer a relationship on the first date or anything but to try to advertise as being relationship-minded, then hookup, then request exclusivity. I think girls would be more open to casually dating / sleeping with a guy if men advertised themselves as more relationship minded or just plain friendly, instead of trying to emulate a dark triad Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/19 11:06 PM
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also, most average guys DON'T use a LTR-type strategy from the start. we live in a hookup culture. the typical way for relationships to start is by two people meeting at a party or through friends or at work or whatever, and they hookup with each other. and if things go well, they continue to have sex and hang out with each other and eventually it evolves into a LTR. This is the problem though IMO. Too many people have been ghosted etc. Women are leaving dating apps because of this. I honestly t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/19 09:38 PM
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This matches my experience too. I actually think I've dated high SMV guys, objectively out of my league (2 points higher say), who expected to plate me, only to later fall hard and want commitment. I think personality matters a lot more than people give credit, for both sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/19 09:30 PM
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I don't think lack of friends is that much of a common problem. I think it is in terms of the depth of a relationship. I think it's easy to have many "shallow" friendships when you're in a big city these days, but less solid friends who you're hanging out with every day and know intimately. People just aren't like that anymore because everyone is working so much etc. It's not like they are without internet Exactly, my point is that a larger and increasing population of young men are finding and …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/19 09:17 PM
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1.Cold approaching was never that popular.Most couples met through friends or social circle activities.And even in these threads the results were positive. Young people don't have friends or social circles anymore lol. We all have to move to bigger cities for jobs. Assuming you get 2 dates a week (extremely high for most men) that's 8 dollars a week.How is it expensive? I feel like you're being purposefully obtuse. Say a guy gets 2 dates in a week, I think he has 2 beers with each girl, that's $…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/19 08:42 PM
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1.The METOO movement isnt as effective as people think .At best it has limited work place flirting Disagree. Look at the recent threads we've had here on cold approaching, by and large most men aren't doing it; they think women are too inconvenienced and pissed off about it. 2.Dating isn't expensive.Buying a girl a beer isn't expensive. Buying multiple girls beers is expensive, the average guy will need to be going on many dates, just like the average girl. It's a numbers game. The average man c…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/19 08:02 PM
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through long periods of droughts between relationships or sex - we are talking 6 months to a year type. How long do you honestly think average women are going?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/19 07:10 PM
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I think it's unwise to believe that it's all attributable to one single thing that happened when there are many. Metoo movement and feminist brainwashing in general has lead to less men approaching IRL. Despite said feminist brainwashing, women still want to be desired and courted like a romance novel; they will never take the active role, yet men somehow believe a Tinder profile is "trying". As millennials are poorer and working more, people are busy, dating is too expensive, and too much of a …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/19 06:42 PM
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30% of men under 30 couldn't didn't get laid within a year FTFY. 30% of men were shut-ins who didn't try to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/19 05:52 PM
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Of course they are. Haven’t you noticed that every field report is of a HB8.. yeah right 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/19 02:16 PM
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All these men look gay to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/19 06:53 AM
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evolutionary and adaptive holdover since from forever ago Less than 100 years ago the majority of the world was in extreme poverty. Money isn't "evolutionary" - the social status that gets money is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 04:31 PM
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I honestly shared the wrong link. This was the main one https://onlinelibrary-wiley-com.ezproxy.une.edu.au/doi/full/10.1111/padr.12012 I don't know if we're talking about the same things though. Are you talking about physical/sexual attractiveness? I am talking about hypergamy in relation to marriage as per OP (the idea that women only care about money).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 04:18 PM
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https://imgur.com/a/7fo81RS 9.5 out of 20 votes, which is ridiculous; it skews way too high. I'm a solid 6 in real life, maybe 7 with makeup. Admittedly, I've dated some Chads before but I'm fairly masculine personality-wise which throws people off.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 04:11 PM
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But it does demonstrate that men are not 'intimidated' by women above their league. For casual sex. Women on Tinder aren't looking for the casual sex that men are. Isn't it obvious? More women are on Tinder looking for relationships, they have the same "settling" standards as what men do when they're looking for commitment. that doesn't mean women wouldn't prefer someone more educated and wealthier than her. It has never been proven that women have an explicit "preference" for more educated/weal…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 03:54 PM
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"... we do not find any evidence that men would have an aversion to a highly educated potential partner. " Do you honestly think how mens' swiping on Tinder can be used for marriage? They even say this in the study "our results cannot be generalised to mating behaviour in later stages of a relationship." Further, they include several other studies that have shown that men are hypogamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 03:17 PM
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if I am one of the many guys who are asking for $20, I can annoy her even if I'm just asking for it once and not being persistent about it. This is exactly it. I think a lot of guys cold approach a woman when she's already having a bad day; she's perhaps been approached by others recently too but what's more likely is that some other random situation in her life has made her feel unappreciated and that she is giving too much to someone (family, boss at work, some other guy she might actually be …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 08:57 AM
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Isn't it possible that some "strong independent women" are genuinely just like that temperamentally? This is the problem with gender roles; healthy, successful people are usually both.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 08:11 AM
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Those are your words, not mine. You literally go on to agree with me by saying "how she has to act for me to feel reassured". you can feel when her desire for you is there I understand what you're saying and as long as you're okay knowing that you're disregarding women who are equally attracted to you, then there is no problem. Respectfully, it's possible that you personally only "feel desire for you" reactively, based on a limited set of behaviors that you have judged.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 07:57 AM
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Oh, I can give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that what you're saying happens with a few women; however, I do not believe that this is the norm. The majority of women would not do this, despite being attracted to a man. I don't think your "experience" is useful in understanding the "average" nature between men and women. Like I said, if you think this is how a woman has to act for you to be able to be reassured that she's attracted to you, I feel sorry for you; I think you're leaving a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 07:30 AM
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Also, wouldn't this mean women have penis envy as well? Yes, it means exactly that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 07:08 AM
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What is reality, honey?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 07:07 AM
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Agreed. I can't imagine any woman doing this. It's interesting how this is a male fantasy though. I mean, of course I get why, but it's just not how women behave. I don't even think it's social conditioning of women, there is genuinely a biological component.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/19 07:01 AM
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over my experiences Somehow I honestly doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 09:10 PM
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(e.g., putting her hand over his pants and rubbing his manhood, unzipping his pants and HJ —> BJ, grinding her ass on him while spoon/cuddling on the bed and then pulling his pants down and her pants down and leading his erection into her vagina). What woman does this? Has any woman actually done any of this on the first or second date? If this is what you think is required for a woman to be genuinely attracted to a man, I feel sorry for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 08:37 PM
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I think I am quite fluid; I don't hold strong opinions or beliefs on anything in the world. I am genuinely open to having my view changed but I absolutely require valid data and logic to do so. Part of the reason why I get so fascinated by PPD/reddit, is that so many people have deep convictions; I'm almost envious of how they can feel so certain and sure of something. I'm a psych student, so I do read a lot of studies and kinda look at it as fun homework even though it's not related to school a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 09:20 AM
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Please stop putting words into my figurative mouth. I have never said “it doesn’t matter” but clearly when a male initiates, it’s a different story. For the 900th time, you cannot use 2 contexts and “apply it more generally”, this isn’t how statistics work. If it’s raining in LA and raining in Tokyo, does that mean it’s raining everywhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 07:10 AM
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a culture of denial that, What am I denying exactly? Please be specific. Am I denying that some women rape young men? No. Am I denying that women and men experienced similar rates of nonconsensual sex in 2010-12, as per CDC data? No. Am I denying that most male victims reported female perpetrators? No. Am I denying that there are more young men raped by women than there are of young women raped by men? YES. Am I denying that women are 9 times more likely to rape young men (your claim)? YES. In o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 11:25 PM
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just adding to your point. Men who do housework report higher sexual frequency. Men who do "masculine" housework report even higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 11:05 PM
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https://journals-sagepub-com.ezproxy.une.edu.au/doi/full/10.1177/0003122412472340 "Our findings suggest the importance of gender display for sexual frequency in heterosexual marriage: couples where men participate more in core tasks—work typically done by women—report lower sexual frequency. Similarly, couples where men participate more in non-core, traditionally masculine tasks report higher sexual frequency, suggesting the importance of gender-typed participation in household labor." TL/DR: Me…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 10:57 PM
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against men and male rape victims How? Please show me what I have said that communicates this. At not a single point have I argued that women are never sexual perpetrators of men, that for sure happens. I am also sure that a lot of victims of sexual assault are unaccounted for in data as they never report, but this would be for both men and women. But for any single one of the claims you have attempted to make in this thread, I absolutely disagree - the data simply says something different to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 10:18 PM
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But with women being more and more likely to be in positions of power, and data from the BJS indicating that women are more likely to abuse these positions of power, the rate today is likely much different than what it was back in 1965. I'm actually fucking cracking up at this point. These are more outlandish claims that the BJS data doesn't support (AGAIN), which I can't even be bothered to explain to you. You clearly don't get statistics. http://webshare.law.ucla.edu/Faculty/bibs/stemple/Stemp…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 09:24 PM
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something that you have admitted to Where have I "admitted to" anything you have said? Further, why are you using the word "admitted" specifically, as if I am the one who is lying about something? My claim is that pedophilia among men is not as big of a problem as people think, at least not in comparison to women. This wasn't your claim. women are more likely to molest young children -- like actual kids -- by a factor of 8 (for family members, per CDC data) and 9 (for social workers who deal wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 07:42 PM
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By saying that women and men cheat at the same rate They cheat only at the same rate between the 20-29 cohort. Like I said, again, for every other cohort men cheat not just more but dramatically more. that women (lesbians) file for divorce twice as often as heterosexual couples Gay is still a subculture; "lesbian" isn't synonymous for "women", nor is "gay men" representative of "men". Lesbians are highly progressive and likely have different attitudes to "marriage" than mainstream normies; they …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 07:12 PM
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but AFAIK it's the only data that looks at anything like that Anything like what? It seems like you're trying to understand rates of crimes committed by women; is that correct? any kind of research Respectfully, what you are doing isn't "research". It's disingenuous for you to believe so when you evidently do not understand basic "research" concepts such as the difference between a sample and a population or what confirmation bias is. you'll find that those two pieces of data are really all we h…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 06:58 PM
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Do you literally not see the difference between "women molesting young children" and "female PRISON staff molesting juveniles IN PRISON"? Edit: The sentence you bolded is not in this study. Additionally, you seem to have skipped over the fact that 65% of sexual misconduct by staff wasn't forced or coerced - 17% of juveniles said that they made the first move themselves, 46% said that sometimes they made the first move and sometimes the staff did. Like I said, the data says something completely d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 06:31 PM
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He legitimately doesn't understand how to read studies. Every link he shares, the data says something completely different to his claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 05:52 PM
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All men have fragile egos and will exhibition themselves in order to get validation from women. Every man really just wants to be told he is a good boy from Mommy. This leads to... Women don't marry up, all men prefer to marry down (hypogamy) as a result of their fragile egos that need to maintain power out of deep-seated insecurity / ego. All men are inherently incapable of respecting women in the same way that they respect men; probably because men believe they actively fuck/dominate women whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 04:41 PM
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Part of the Oedipus complex. Wanting to have the mother but also to be the mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 04:30 PM
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Women rape men at similar rates as the reverse. Did you read this study? Please tell me where it says what you're claiming. On p.304, the only graph that shows a higher rate of "Heterosexual male victims" from female perpetrators, is of "NON-RAPE sexual victimization"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 04:21 PM
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Something something all guns are loaded...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 04:14 PM
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Which argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 06:02 PM
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when given a choice between I don't think they have to be mutually exclusive. I'd almost bet that most women want "flower petals and Barry White" as foreplay that leads into crazy, rough animalistic fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 05:05 AM
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I'm a dominant woman What does this mean exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 05:04 AM
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If you hired an employee with a contract that stated that they couldn't work for anyone else, which they agreed to and signed, and later you found out that they were in fact working for someone else, would your contract be void?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 03:34 PM
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Tell that to the women ages 20-29 who cheat more than men I would tell that to them too. You seem to have forgotten your own damn argument though - if a woman cheated on her husband during marriage and he divorced her, would you consider that abandoning too?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 03:27 PM
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Lol check ur sources Did you read your own link? "In general, men are more likely than women to cheat: 20% of men and 13% of women reported that they’ve had sex with someone other than their spouse while married" The exception is for women between 20-29, at which women cheat 1 point more than men, which let's be honest, is basically the damn same. For every other cohort, men cheat not just more, but dramatically more. Initiating a divorce is abandoning a marriage Cheating makes the contract of m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 03:19 PM
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No, that quite literally is what it means. When men cheat, are they abandoning marriage too? The recent studies state that the rate of women committing infidelity is increasing to be near the same as men, not more than...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 02:47 PM
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Just because women initiate most divorces doesn’t mean that 1) they’re “abandoning” or 2) that men are more sensitive about relationships and marriage. Go look at the main reasons for divorce, the biggest one is infidelity. Does a man cheating come across as sensitive to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 06:42 AM
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He was flaming gay. Maybe he meant it in regards to femininity, but I agree, mostly nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/19 06:20 PM
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Which women are doing that? This seems fictional.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 12:22 PM
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She is just fucking you while she looks for a better option (Mr. Right).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/19 04:11 AM
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In this case you're just saying one was physically attractive and the other wasn't... I'm not sure that answers my question? If the girl learning to ollie was ugly, you wouldn't think she was as cool it seems.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/19 07:55 PM
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How do you distinguish between a "cool girl persona" and a genuinely cool girl? It seems to be more obvious for Nice Guys vs genuinely nice guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/19 07:32 PM
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I don’t see how I’m making women out to be victims, it certainly wasn’t my intention. Like men who claim of a lack of casual sex, I think there are women who equally claim a lack of relationships. I’m wondering if it’s because men judge women more harshly now.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/19 03:12 AM
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OLD is only better to the average woman for casual sex, not for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/19 10:55 PM
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Yes, average is basically low IMO. I think men are judging average women, assuming that they live insta-thot lives, which ironically leads them to going exclusively for insta-thots. Like the other user said, men don’t care about relationships with average women anymore. They think they are being tricked or short-changed, even if the average girl hasn’t given any indication of poor treatment. It’s like men just can’t believe that an average girl would genuinely be into them anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/19 10:47 PM
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There are multiple reasons. Firstly, remember that most men are invisible to women. Not all women even realise that they’re dating a “Chad”. They don’t realise what he is actually worth in “the market”, they just know that they’re personally attracted. Women don’t think in systems like men and generally aren’t comparing men in the same way that men do to women (like collectors). Secondly, it’s increasingly common for people to fuck for a while before they commit. The first 3 months or so is a gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/19 10:40 PM
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You legitimately do not understand how a vagina biologically works.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/19 10:22 PM
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High IQ people are more likely to remain childless.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/19 08:34 PM
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Think about it in the time that a trait is expressed. Any time a man spends expressing beta traits has an opportunity cost of what could have been time expressed as alpha traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/19 06:52 PM
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Aww cutie.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/19 02:00 PM
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Yes but it doesn’t satiate them. Why don’t more men pay for prostitutes?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/19 04:22 AM
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Paying for sex, desire, being able to walk around with a beautiful woman on your arm ain't the real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/19 06:30 PM
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Yes, you can also buy fake Gucci on ebay.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/19 05:56 PM
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It can’t be dirt cheap, they (men) can’t afford it (paying requires SMV). Female sexuality like porn, insta photos etc might be cheap but they aren’t what men really want nor are they what women value. Sex, intimacy, being desired by a woman, being able to walk around with a beautiful woman on your arm, these are expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/19 08:58 AM
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I actually think programming/software engineering is hot but probably only because I work in that field myself and know we'd have a sweet lifestyle (well-paid, remote work, never have to worry about jobs, good for children etc). I still have to find the guy attractive though. Boring jobs: sales, accountants, anyone who studied finance in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/19 04:15 PM
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How long were you together before you got married? What happened that lead to such a bad marriage? Genuinely curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/19 12:16 PM
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red pill thing based on facts and logic lol red pill is based on feelz, do you even science? And yes, you're right; PPD sucks at statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/19 06:18 AM
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Was your marriage always hell?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/19 05:41 AM
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You always use your personal experience to try to prove something. You’re an outlier, you know that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/19 05:37 AM
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I don't know if it's related to that. I measure super low in agreeableness (30th percentile), yet I've definitely lied in this way to avoid hurting feelings. At least for me, I've had experiences of men taking rejection really badly, starting arguments etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/19 05:28 PM
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Maybe it could predict when people are in a mood/mindset to cheat and thus prevent it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/19 07:46 PM
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I don't think technology is ever going to replace human relationships. What might be more likely with AI is the ability to predict who is a good partner for you based on your personal data (online dating usage, spending habits, emails etc). I also think technology for looksmaxing will become more advanced and available. Everyone will be beautiful, which will even out the SMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/19 07:04 PM
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"Vapid" is a value statement; it's subjective. They're vapid to you because you're interested in other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/19 08:17 AM
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1 for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 10:11 PM
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Democracy and civic institutions I'll leave those to the herd. You're no better than the women you whine about. Also things like simple philosophical questions, if they've read any classic novels, their opinion on current events, whether they have develop/have any artistic skills, their life goals, what they think about certain movies that aren't mindless summer blockbusters, etc Yes, I get it. Believe me I do. I can say the same for a lot of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 08:05 PM
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I'm sorry, but you clearly believe in relativism to a point that I would consider to be unadulterated absurdism. lol is that meant to impress me? Yes, I believe our values are relative. We only try to convince others (and ourselves) that we know the "truth" for our own will. And in addition to these "interests", these women can't name any of their fucking state governors, a single local politician, Boring..
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 07:45 PM
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But...most men...are vapid? I think that most men are interested in things that I'm not interested in, so I personally don't find them interesting. Do you see the difference? On the rest, I guess we just have to agree to disagree. I do understand what you're feeling though, I feel it a lot myself too, but I just don't think people are so black and white. This thinking creates an unnecessary imbalance and is probably linked to narcissism.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 07:16 PM
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Why are you assuming so much about me? Why can't you just trust my experiences and own judgement? Because I know myself and my own experiences. I also tend to get into mindsets where I believe that most men are vapid because they aren't interested in my pseudo-intellectual interests. I've learned to call myself out on my own bullshit. They can't answer the questions, and often they have never even "questioned" in the first place in any substantial manner. Why does it matter if they haven't quest…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 06:52 PM
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I understand your frustration but I do think you, and people who share a similar view, are being quite judgemental and close-minded in a totally ironic way. You most likely have a higher IQ, which is obviously genetic, and a higher level of trait openness, both of which dramatically impact what you’re interested in. You’re a man too, so you’re going to be interested in abstract ideas over the people/relationship gossip that most women are interested in. This doesn’t mean, however, that women are…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 06:00 PM
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The money was definitely secondary, I had no idea how wealthy he was when we started dating. We had a large age gap too, so it was always blatantly obvious that he had his shit together in a way that 20 year old guys didn’t. But we just intellectually connected and we had a great relationship, never lost attraction etc. We just weren’t aligned on long-term plans and he was spiritual in a way that I’m not and I think he really needed that in a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 05:43 PM
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My ex was like that but he wasn’t upper class, his wealth was self-made through his business. I was a poor student for most of our relationship but he wasn’t the type who spent lavishly either. He paid 75% of our rent while we were living together, but we never travelled on fancy vacations or anything like that; he’s quite a frugal guy and tbh so am I, so we probably worked in that way. On my 21st birthday he definitely went all out and really spoiled me, but the rest of our relationship was pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 02:36 PM
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Look up the studies - dark triad men attract dark triad women. It also correlates to consumerism. If they marry, they also eventually divorce over financial issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 09:06 AM
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I joked a while back about looking like a generic stacey but having the inner mechanisms of an incel. That's me too haha.. ENTJ.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 08:42 PM
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Send him to crossfit and toastmasters after school.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 08:27 PM
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1 should be fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/19 09:04 AM
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I feel like most women are into football players bodies over the jacked gym bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/19 08:58 AM
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That’s like the worst possible thing to do. Choose shrooms or ketamine at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 08:56 AM
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I don't think men most effectively solve their emotional problems through speaking about them, in the same way that women do. I personally wish more men (people though) would try psychoanalysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 07:28 PM
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Which part of Brazil do you live in? If it wasn't the political situation, I'd probably move there for a bit. I really want to learn Portuguese but the Brazilian version.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 07:19 PM
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You also said "can't", "need", and "never"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 04:32 PM
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Women usually care more about people and their opinions. This is the average woman. Like Atlas' comment above, many women commenting here have more masculine personality traits, hence why they care less about the FSM.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 07:01 AM
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There is less incentive for women! Stats show that men report higher wellbeing when married vs single. Single, childless women report higher wellbeing than married women. THIS is the decline. THIS is the crisis! Hardly... Women love mature men. No, we don't. We want a fun "partner in crime". That's why most stick to 1-3 years of their age.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 06:41 AM
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Lol, give it a rest man. Women who want a happy marriage should marry a man within 1-3 years of her age, which is what most people do anyways. The fact that women initiate most divorces doesn't mean that the blame is pointed at men. It means that women initiate most divorces! We could ponder why that might be, like that maybe men are just as unhappy but comfortable in misery? Or that with women working, marriage doesn't benefit women like it does men? Again though, these are all speculations. We…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 10:24 PM
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The data is the same when looking at marital satisfaction too. After 6-10 years of marriage, marital satisfaction drops off for couples with large age gaps (more than a few years). Women are particularly dissatisfied when they marry older men, which leads to divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 10:08 PM
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Let's take a step back here and clarify what we're talking about. YOU have made an argument that "Women are in roles they are not well suited for and don't result in long term happiness or strength of society". YOU are the one who needs to provide evidence for this. A study that measures women's self-reporting happiness from the 1970s onwards doesn't exactly support this argument. Women are in roles they are not well suited for What roles are women "suited for"? Please provide evidence. long ter…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 09:50 PM
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The divorce rate is significantly higher for marriages with large age gaps, like what you're suggesting, and when either are below 26 years old...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 09:36 PM
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Why anyone would use the 1970s as an accurate measure of "female happiness" is beyond me. It's obvious that it's a historical outlier..
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 09:30 PM
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Look at western EU and how low their birthrates are Why is it a problem? Educated people delay having children, if they even have them at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 09:18 PM
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That assumes those men are trying...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 09:17 PM
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Female "happiness" was inflated in the 70s with the feminist movement, which makes it look like things are going down, rather than returning to baseline.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 09:13 PM
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women should marry young(20s) If they want to get divorced...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 09:07 PM
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I don't have instagram anymore but I wouldn't take an ultimatum anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/19 07:33 PM
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what they find attractive depends on what she is and how she sees herself. For me personally, yes but not really in your examples. I seem to go through "phases" of what types of men I find attractive, which are usually based on what "scenes" I'm in at the time. I was into surfing, so I was attracted to surfers. Then I was into electronic music, so I was attracted to DJs. Then I got super into fitness, so now I'm attracted to gym rats, etc. I think a lot of men don't exactly realize this; Chad an…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 03:49 PM
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Their troubles come at later stages of dating, at commitment, where men have the same "high standards" that women do when they're deciding if they're attracted to a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 01:54 PM
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“Bad” and “objective” don’t go together, honey.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 08:32 AM
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2/3 chance of not being..
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 03:38 AM
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You can’t be serious. I actually think fat women are bullied more by boys in school. That was what I saw at least. My best friend was called “Big Bird” for 8 years of high school by the jocks because she’s 6ft.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 03:35 AM
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That’s only if they cheat in the first place, which is 45% or so from anon surveys.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 10:36 AM
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I feel very sorry for you. IME she is a norm on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 05:52 AM
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I feel like you personally vastly overestimate the impact. If you’re married in the US, sure, “divorce rape etc, but you can prevent that. I mean, what is the big deal really? Someone cheats on you. Move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 05:32 AM
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What actually is the definition of casual sex on PPD? (serious question) I've had 2 FWB's but they weren't randoms. I personally need a connection first, probably more out of me being shy than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 07:12 PM
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Marriage is for children, that’s it. If you don’t want children, an LTR is better for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 05:02 AM
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This is BS. It doesn’t account for serial monogamists who spend their 20s in LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 05:00 AM
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Lazy thinker.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 05:35 PM
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Don't be passive and actually vet a woman for her character, then!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 02:37 PM
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You do you. I'm probably overly pedantic about precision; IMO the only generalization you can make is scoped to the women you have dated.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 07:46 AM
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You generalise a lot and I honestly don’t fall into any of your “buckets” as a woman. How many LTRs / breakups have you had?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 07:05 AM
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I agree that they are used as insults. I disagree that because such words are used as insults that men are judged on their ability for sex. In the case of incel, it’s not an insult for the guy being a virgin, it’s for all the associated “incel” behaviors (neck-beard, fedora, m’lady etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 07:00 AM
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It only spurs some to action and growth. I am betting it spurs a much larger number to anger that goes inwards, which results in depression and other mental disorders. Take the science on self-efficacy, on motivation, on coaching people, there are far better ways to spur men to action and growth.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 06:36 AM
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Do you think TRP affects men’s self-esteem?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 06:31 AM
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Your answer seems pretty reasonable. When you first started reading TRP, to what extent did your perception of yourself change?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 06:30 AM
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This is the sad passivity that my OP alludes to. You think men are being active by “assuming debts” but they are being completely passive by not working for the type of relationship that would best suit them and by not demanding women to a higher standard. This is the perfect example of scarcity mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 06:27 AM
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You’ve missed my point completely. Really, this isn’t even about blame or putting someone at fault. I am asking why men don’t approach things, ironically, from a Stoic perspective of acceptance? If a relationship is unsuccessful, why can’t men chalk it down to incompatibility, take their lessons and move on?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 06:21 AM
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Sorry, but you are taking such comments sensitively out of your own personal insecurities. Like I said, incel is most often not said as an insult in regards to his SELF-worth as a person, it is said in regards to the worth of his opinions on women. Inexperienced, virgin men should not be writing theses on female sexuality that are based only on reading TRP field reports.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 06:16 AM
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I'd still take TRP's advice and looksmax. I'd be lifting daily, eating well, sleeping 8hrs. If I didn't have them already, I'd get friends, or go to a therapist to work out the personality issues that lead me to not having friends. I'd look on OKCupid or Tinder, especially for girls who seem ambitious and busy (masters/PHD students, girls working multiple jobs, girls at the gym, etc). I would try to have a few chilled but fun dates and focus on developing a real buddy-like friendship, like beers…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 06:19 PM
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Entitled. It drives me crazy how many people throw around "entitled" when they really mean "want" or "preference".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 05:30 PM
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We don't know if it's truly successful but I'm highly skeptical. I mean, sure it might work to get more sex, but I bet those men are still living in fear and still "undervalue themselves".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 04:38 PM
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MRP is based on TRP. It's irrelevant anyway. TRP sells the same narrative to all men who arrive there, regardless of whether they're struggling single, in an LTR, or even married.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 04:30 PM
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I'm talking about the long-term satisfaction of men, which for most is going to in an LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 04:23 PM
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If a man goes to TRP and posts that his gf has stopped having sex with him, apart from an overwhelming "NEXT", he would also be told that he is too beta or that he is "problematic". these men are trying everything in their power to keep physical intimacy relevant in their relationship. This is honorable and not at all what I am arguing against. I am arguing against TRP telling men that they are less than what they are. Whether TRP agrees with me or not, I think men find "beta" genuinely offensiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 03:23 PM
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I'm not blaming or assigning fault to anyone at all. It's actually you who is now assigning fault to women. My key point is that it's rarely anyone's "fault" and that it's far more complex than that - there are a multitude of factors involved in relationship breakdowns.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 03:13 PM
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I literally said that "something as seemingly trivial as the amount of carbs as a woman eats in a day can wipe her desire for sex". Where does rejection come into that? Again, this is about female desire for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 03:04 PM
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but the guys at TRP/MRP who have gone through this ALL have the same takeaways more or less. Like any ideology, I wouldn't expect conformists to do the hard work of actually thinking for themselves. Causation is irrelevant It's relevant when one perspective is being communicated as "truth".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 02:56 PM
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you're right, thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 02:49 PM
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I understood your point and I am deeply empathetic to you, men, and really anyone who is sexually unfulfilled in a relationship. Truly, I am sorry. Regardless, it is inaccurate for men to attribute a "withering away of sex" to be their fault. Your "illusion of control" is as blissfully ignorant as any other blue pill. The red pill, the truth, is the vast complexity (and uncertainty) of successful relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 01:46 PM
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I don't think you have quite understood me. I largely agree about what you wrote here - people can always accept some responsibility for a bad relationship, if nothing other than them continuing to stay longer than they should have. However, people don't need to accept ALL responsibility. In your marketing company example, you rightfully accepted responsibility for making a mistake but I'm sure you didn't tell yourself you were an inherent loser who would need to become an entirely different per…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 01:36 PM
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So you believe that men need to internalize blame to improve themselves or the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 01:29 PM
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if only for the illusion of control. It's laughable that it's called the red pill...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 01:26 PM
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He was dominant and we had very passionate, frequent sex throughout our whole relationship. Again though, this isn't particularly relevant to our real discussion, which was the fickleness of the female sex drive. Like I said, despite him being alpha, there were many times that I wasn't in the mood that had absolutely nothing to do with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 12:59 PM
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Remember TRP and MRPs core audience. It's AFCs and betas. That's certainly one way to describe the audience, except I argue that it's not only incorrect and lazy but that such a description only further supports my OP. Is TRP's audience best described as "betas"? Wouldn't an alternative description be: Men who are/were unsuccessful with women in some way? Again, why do TRP men inherently lower themselves to "beta" just because they had an imperfect relationship with a woman? I get that, it's wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 12:43 PM
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Using incel-related language as insults doesn’t mean men are judged on their ability to get sex. For one, such insults are used by women because it is often inexperienced men who are coming up with complete garbage theories about female sexuality in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 12:04 PM
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My longest LTR from 20-25 was with a 36 year old multi-millionaire CEO. He is conventionally handsome and had a 6 pack. If that isn’t alpha, what is? And I am not a 9 or 10 at all. I am at best a 7 but I am smart, fun, and kind; you would be surprised as to how far that gets you with anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 11:52 AM
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I am a female who has had multiple LTRs with alphas. I think my opinion would be at least taken into consideration for the purpose of a more accurate “theory” on sexual relations.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 11:24 AM
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Respectfully, I don’t think you understand women enough. Something as seemingly trivial as the amount of carbs a woman eats in a day can wipe her desire for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 10:07 AM
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Does that change anything? Yours/TRP's argument is still that women lose the desire to have sex with unattractive men. Whether the man is "unattractive" from physical or behavioral factors is somewhat irrelevant. The key question is: are there outside factors that cause a woman to lose the desire to have sex, that are completely unrelated to a man? If you can answer yes, what are these factors and how frequently do they occur? IMO personal stress for a woman is a far worse "libido killer".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 09:48 AM
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my blue balls don't care about my self worth Well, by this line of thinking, your balls are your self worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 09:41 AM
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Respectfully, there is nothing "natural" about that assumption or train of thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 09:26 AM
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Take a step back. It is TRP that has effectively "made the outlandish claim" that women only lose the desire to have sex with unattractive men. Where is the data for this? Taking into account the divorce rate, do you honestly believe it must only be attractive people who experience marital satisfaction? I'm open to having my view changed but I'm seriously skeptical that physical attractiveness is the sole determinant for sexual frequency in marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 09:21 AM
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Firstly, I'm not saying it's fine to not have sex with your SO. I personally am all for regular sex, even if it's duty-sex, as part of the contract of commitment. Secondly, can you see the difference in narratives between "feeling unloved" and "probably never truly loved him and just wanted to secure a provider."?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 08:53 AM
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but that just doesn’t happen Show me the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 08:48 AM
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If the sex just stopped entirely after having kids then yeah, the beta should become redpilled, as his wife probably never truly loved him and just wanted to secure a provider. Why do you/men make that leap? Why isn't it possible to say "the stress of childbirth/children affected my wife's libido"? Why do you immediately jump to "she never truly loved me"? I genuinely think it's because you are irrationally insecure about your self-worth and whether you are lovable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 08:00 AM
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Because they don’t need their partner to survive, despite choosing to have a partner. Honestly, it seems like you think independent means single. It doesn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 05:29 AM
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I'm an ENTJ..
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 08:04 PM
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How can you tell high sexual experience from many men versus one man (from being in LTR's)?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 08:03 PM
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I'm sorry that you feel this way about yourself, truly. I'm 28 and of course I don't look 19 but I don't feel anywhere near as negative about myself as you. I understand you're probably a very busy Mom but do you get time to exercise? That really helps with self-image and confidence, personally. I am also not stick thin and am quite apple-shaped (most of my fat is stored in my stomach too) but strength training and eating a good diet really helped my shape, even though I weigh the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 07:59 PM
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What makes people the fittest? Whoever reproduces, technically.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 07:00 PM
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I don't agree, sorry. I lived with all 4 LTR's and in my longest LTR (5 years), we were still having the best sex all the way through. I genuinely think it just comes down to actual compatibility that is really hard to know in the early days.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 02:47 PM
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Do they actually go away though? I go nuts with a pumice stone daily but I still feel the bumps :(
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 02:43 PM
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Well, I don't mean it just comes down to the value of the guy. Honestly, it sounds like your gf just has a low libido. I don't think there's really much you can do except compromise with each other a bit or chalk it down to incompatibility. I think I'm pretty high libido but 2/4 of my LTR's went much like yours at the 2 year mark when we moved in together. The other 2 LTR's though, I can honestly say we had really passionate/daily sex and I never lost that initial attraction. The only difference…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 12:58 PM
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You should see the calluses on my hands :)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 12:51 PM
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How long was it before things died off, so to speak?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 09:02 AM
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What is your relationship like now? How often do you see each other etc? I'm a woman and I totally advocate for things like light dread in LTR's - she has to have a chance to miss you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 08:22 AM
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His point was literally that higher value men would get sex quality and quantity from their wives (by principle of the being alpha enough) with all the benefits of a relationship on top.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 08:20 AM
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It’s totally subjective. For me personally, I’d prefer the larger guy - makes me feel more feminine and sexy, plus deadlifts 😍
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 06:04 AM
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Weight doesn't matter; it's body fat percentage. I'm into anything up to 30% in this chart with my preference being 13-19%. I'm pretty fit too though, so I'm probably overly conscious of lifestyle matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 09:47 PM
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Feeling entitled to basic human respect is completely different to the "princess and entitlement syndrome" that men are talking about. You are being purposefully obtuse if you argue otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 08:09 PM
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When anyone says “you deserve better” it is in relation to better treatment. It’s not about better than average, they mean better than what is currently subpar from a level of basic respect in a relationship. And if you have anecdotes of a woman saying “you deserve better” to mean she deserves a 6ft Chad, I’m not supporting that. Frankly, “you deserve better” is most often said to women when they are dating 6ft Chad’s who don’t care about her in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 01:47 PM
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That's your opinion. To you, "great guys" aren't getting the frequent, good sex that comes only in relationships. Casual sex is like fast-food compared to sex with someone you're in love with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 07:08 AM
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It’s complete male arrogance to assume that every woman who fucks you wants to be in a relationship with you. The Chad’s you are talking about, and generally anyone who pursues short term relationships, often have an avoidant attachment style; they are emotionally unavailable. If you are a person who values trust, intimacy, connection, and has any sense of self-worth, it would be impossible to believe that you could have a solid, healthy relationship with such a person. They get put in the “not …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 06:39 AM
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Scarcity mindset.. Plenty of men want love and a partner in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 06:30 AM
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It’s a total straw man argument. Women don’t feel entitled to Prince Charming, they just really WANT Prince Charming. Most people are BP in the world, they don’t have such awareness of things like SMV/RMV and genuinely believe they are a good person / good catch.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 06:25 AM
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Does anyone understand the meaning of entitlement? English, motherfuckers, do you speak it?!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 10:09 PM
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It's a debate sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 07:33 PM
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I didn't say "bad people", I said narcissists. Many attractive people are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 06:29 PM
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It’s really hard for me to believe you are talking about real women that you know here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 06:09 PM
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How do you know the women were "pumped and dumped"? In 2019, Tinder-era, women are plating men just the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 05:31 PM
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Red Pill Women
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 07:55 AM
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"Better" will always be subjective, so of course I can't say for you personally. I somewhat agree though; I think friendships are far more useful/necessary in life than romantic love, Epicurean-style. That said, friends aren't going to be there for you in the way that an SO is. They aren't going to love you or care for you anywhere near the same level of intimacy. I think a good, solid romantic relationship is one that feels like how you describe friendship but with all the extras I mentioned ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 04:50 AM
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Upgrading for sexy is still upgrading, hence its human to be “hypergamous”.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 03:48 AM
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You know that most alphas are narcs right? I mean, sure, their perspective is certainly one perspective. For “what women are truly like” however, that’s a bit of a leap, even if you wanted to get scientific about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 03:42 AM
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This is not completely related but there are so many brilliant philosophers that I wonder about like this. Nietzsche? Schopenhauer? What can they really say about women compared to a Don Juan type?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 03:32 AM
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Women marry men they're not attracted to all the time. Do you mean men that they're not attracted to OR men that they're not the MOST attracted to (compared to previous exes)? Certainly, what happens is women are marrying men they're not as attracted to as the men they used to have sex with before they got married. Do you imagine that you'll personally select for different traits in a partner for marriage than what you did in the past? Again, you seem to confuse "conventionally physically attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 10:30 PM
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A friendship isn't the same commitment of a romantic relationship. Commitment is building something together; it's loyalty, consistency, making things work, sticking it out. Sex is the obvious distinction but a commitment is far more involved than any "friendship" I've personally had. I can't imagine you truly believe otherwise. I think the better, more appropriate question is, do all commitments actually need to involve "resources"? Despite how much men harp on about this here (I'm not American…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 10:26 PM
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Watch and look at who women are actually attracted to. It's a small subset of men. You are assuming that the celebrities that women find visually attractive are the only men that women are sexually attracted to. There are different types and levels of attractiveness. One such type is "conventionally physically attractive" - all women can look at a picture of Brad Pitt and agree that he is a conventionally physically attractive man. This doesn't mean that all women are personally sexually attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 10:12 PM
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I don't understand this part of TRP. "Alpha widowed" just sounds like being hung up on an ex, which happens regardless of how "alpha" a guy was. Actually, in most cases, I'd even go far as guessing that women get more hung up on "beta" guys who they have a more comforting love with versus some Dark Triad "stoic" sociopathic Chad. I have had 2 LTR's and 2 FWB's with guys I think TRP would define as Alpha. Like all my past relationships, I think of them from time to time but at best it's nostalgia…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 10:01 PM
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in their natural habitat Do you mean literally around you, wherever you live? In the real world, most men don't look like Brad Pitt, yet are in actively sexual and loving relationships. That's why celebrities are celebrities. almost universally, think Channing Tatum and Brad Pitt are more attractive Almost universally, men think Miranda Kerr and other Victoria's Secret models are more attractive. This, however, is not the real argument; the real argument is that, apparently, women are only attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 09:36 PM
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As for what women like in men, it's limited to height, muscle tone and definition, good hair, nice face, defined jaw line. All women find that attractive. How have you arrived to this conclusion? Why do you think this exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 08:42 PM
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She isn't talking about the sides of the "discussion". She is clarifying the definition of fuckboy, which is related to the discussion. How was that a personal attack, seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 08:34 PM
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Respectfully, you're tripping. Her point is that "fuckboy" is defined specifcally by the intentional misrepresentation, not the OP's definition - "calling a guy a fuckboy because he won't relationship you". Like /u/sofis91 said, a guy who is honest about NSA, isn't a fuckboy, even though he doesn't want to "relationship you".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 08:25 PM
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I said that you're into. My point is that we all select for different characteristics when choosing for LTR/marriage as adults, than what we did straight out of high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 08:02 PM
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Don't you think you can say the same about the women men are attracted to? I mean, even looking at the science, waist-hip-ratio of 0.7 - kinda specific, no? I feel like this just always boils down to "people are attracted to attractive people".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 07:55 PM
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Yes, I disagree. Most "simple friendships" don't involve sex. Friends with benefits doesn't mean exclusivity, which leads to hurt feelings. In 2019, when most women are working even earning on par with men, I don't think women are selecting based on neither "time" nor "resources". Overall, y'all seem to be either ignoring or oblivious to the fact that sex and oxytocin actually bond people. Commitment is an emotional safety net, that the person is at least somewhat loyal to your relationship and …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 07:45 PM
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Do you imagine that the person you're into at 30 and planning to marry will be similar to person you dated at 18?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 07:40 PM
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there is nothing pure about a woman's desire for commitment as she wants a guy to use his resources to pay for her (and potential kids) That's the only reason girls want commitment in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 08:07 AM
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> Then is it a reaction to capitalism? Yes. I don't believe OP's premise is really about "sexlessness" but the commoditization of dating/relationships. Russia being capitalistic makes sense because (from what I understand), marriage/relationships there are inherently transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/19 12:53 PM
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Far less capitalistic though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/19 11:30 AM
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Have you ever dated a guy like that? Who almost-obsessively outwardly loved you? I don’t know if I totally agree that it’s from a lack of self-worth, but such men can be very smothering.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/19 02:35 AM
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I feel like I’m in a bind. On one hand, I’ve been loved in that infatuated, pedestal way and it made me feel suffocated and sick; like that I wasn’t a real person and that I was just fitting in to some fantasy projection. I’m starting to think this is just how men love though.. On the other hand, I need intimacy and affection and being able to communicate and trust. I generally don’t get emotionally connected myself unless a guy is emotionally connected first. I don’t know if I can really feel s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/19 02:31 AM
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For most men, they’ll only get the LTR part, and most could care less about that. Most women could care less about casual sex. You're just projecting your desires onto women, as they do to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 06:56 PM
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I feel like this is more of a "fit person" divide than gender, specifically. Just date girls who lift.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/19 07:56 PM
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/r/iamverysmart
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/19 02:22 PM
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Not that anyone should really expect it but this place is overflowing with projection and missing a whole lot of empathy in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 11:09 AM
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Super weird to me, I feel like I’m the total opposite. I care more about a muscular body than face.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/19 10:45 PM
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I feel like this goes both ways. I was recently seeing a guy who was increasingly acting like a boyfriend. It’s not that I felt entitled to a relationship but I did have expectations based on the past progression (more sleepovers, dates outside, etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/19 04:56 PM
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Women want to LTR their best options, so they don’t fuck less than. Men only LTR their best options but fuck everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 08:37 AM
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You said every dude competing. Even bikini girls who compete after 6 months of training are on anavar.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 04:29 AM
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Yes, so are the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 03:50 AM
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Do you ever want different things from different relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 05:43 AM
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At 20, I had a much older boyfriend who was very rich and handsome. I'm not sure I could have done much better than that, by TRP's "standards". I spent from 16-26 in back-to-back LTRs. I'm 29 now, single for the last 3 years, admittedly largely by choice. I'm far too sentimental and relationships crushed me, even when I was the dumper. I'm pickier now on character and whether our lifestyles match. I wish I was stronger and could say that I'm not worried about finding someone but I am. Despite be…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 09:10 PM
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> (assuming fairness and honesty). ​ Lofty assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 05:57 AM
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What behaviour?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 04:43 AM
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You could say that about your side too. You could say that about any opinion. That point is to have better evidence to show why you’re “right”.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 09:45 PM
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Women leave. Men would cheat and keep both.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 09:28 PM
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Don’t lie, it would kill you inside knowing a girl had settled for you. People should date who they’re attracted to, or not at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 06:03 AM
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I think hookups/ONS are common here in Berlin.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 08:11 PM
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This applies only to men who didn't have any options apart from their highschool girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 07:54 PM
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You're a man; you don't understand what it's like to date men. Men don't like when women pay, especially Chads. Men find it emasculating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 05:37 PM
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Women consciously fuck around in their 20s and sang what they can at 30. Don't men do this too? The average age for first marriage is 27+
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 05:36 PM
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I'm a young, skinny, childless woman. Between work, studying, and the gym, I just don't meet that many new people. I live in a big international city as an expat and my social network isn't huge here. I'm over partying and prefer keeping chill weekends keeping healthy, so I'm rarely in bars/clubs these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 05:27 PM
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“I’m going bowling with the BOYS”. JFC it’s the same as ‘girls’
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/19 05:26 AM
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Because they're Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/19 12:05 PM
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but she needs to feel like he's in for more than just sex. Women very rarely hook up with men that they wouldn't go on to date afterwards. All you are talking about is SMV. If a man isn't physically attractive, he has to be attractive in other ways. Chads/Staceys who are physically attractive get more leeway in having undesirable character traits. Then why aren't there more attractive people in this world? Because people are lazy and in self-denial, believing that they should be loved for "who t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/19 10:53 AM
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women seem to feel that unattractive men are unworthy of a hookup unless he shows that he has I suppose boyfriend material qualities is attractive You're asking why women aren't attracted to unattractive men? Of course, Chad doesn't have to work as hard, he's physically attractive, which opens a lot of doors by default. But Chad is most often more than looks too, he's confident, charismatic, and doesn't give off any vibes of desperation. Women, however, aren't only attracted to looks; a lot of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/19 09:56 AM
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Just because men have sex with them, doesn’t mean they are genuinely attracted to them. They do it because it’s available.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/19 06:16 AM
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If she were a better match then I likely wouldn’t have been able to escape her gravitational pull. What does a better match mean exactly? Physically? Or personality-wise?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/19 07:24 PM
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Yes to which?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/19 07:23 PM
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Random question but do you believe that some men are just genuinely not interested in a relationship with anyone at different points? Or is it purely a "not a relationship with her" kinda thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/19 05:40 PM
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Not really. Women naturally commit to Chad in STR’s despite him dating others, at least in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/19 06:19 AM
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They’re basically the same for me but for LTR I place more emphasis on character. Beyond base level attractiveness, things I look for: Does he smoke? (Dealbreaker for me) Is he in good shape? Is he dominant? Do I feel feminine with him or do I feel like I am leading? (I am dominant myself so this is important for me personally) Can he hold a conversation? Is he interested in getting to know me? For LTR: Do our lifestyles match? Can I spend an extended amount of time talking to him without dying …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/19 06:16 AM
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You know you can talk to a gf right and tell her your preferences/schedule?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 04:15 AM
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Women do this too though, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 08:19 PM
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Yeah, hence the “not a total nerd” disclaimer. I need an INTP from the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 10:42 AM
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Lol I need the opposite. How does an ENTJ woman find an INTP man (who isn’t a total nerd)?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 04:34 AM
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Which one of these do y'all prefer?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 07:48 PM
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my observations don't match with this. Confirmation bias. a safe option who is less attractive Less physically attractive doesn't mean that the woman is less attracted overall. I can look at men and say one is more "conventionally attractive" but that doesn't mean I'm any less ATTRACTED to another guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/19 07:55 AM
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C I feel like I'm already doing this option.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 04:47 PM
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I've had 2 FWBs who were Crossfit Chad's. Honestly, Chads are only "Chads" for their looks; otherwise, they are shallow, boring personalities whom I could never take seriously for an LTR. I imagine it's much the same when men try to date 20 year olds. Yes, sure, beautiful to look at and probably to have sex with, yet intolerable for any kind of intellectual conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/19 02:29 PM
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Don't get me wrong I used to date multiple women at the same time(plating) but I found no happiness out of it besides primal shit. Can you see how this makes you look hypocritical?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 09:29 PM
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He didn't say "quicker", he said "easier".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 06:00 PM
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It will fail for attractive, "alpha" men too. One thing people don't talk a lot about here but Chad likes a cheerleader for his own Ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 05:54 PM
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"can't find a man they believe they're entitled to." It's not entitlement. Entitlement is the right to something. It's literally the men that we're attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 05:50 PM
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Men are lenient and diverse in their tastes For sex, not commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 05:48 PM
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That was my point; the "women" wasn't a Freudian slip, it was intentional.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 04:28 PM
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As a woman, I think you're surprisingly on the mark for what women want (commitment) and how they can avoid being plates. The only thing I will add is that some men (people, really) have periods where they just flat-out don't want a serious relationship. Regardless of what a woman looks like or her girl game, he won't commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 03:36 PM
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Lots of women just want this stuff to impress materialistic women...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 03:28 PM
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Feel free to not answer if this is too personal but how would you describe your H’s and your communication? I know you’ve been married a long time. How have you made it work between you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/19 02:04 PM
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Feel free to not answer if this is too personal but how would you describe your H’s and your communication? I know you’ve been married a long time. How have you made it work between you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/19 02:04 PM
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"seek and ye shall find" People see what they want to see, to protect their own egos.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 10:31 PM
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Catching STDs from hookers, despite not being a virgin, still doesn't make you an authority on understanding women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 11:24 AM
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Nietzsche spent his life in self-inflicted isolation because no-one loved him. Brilliant writer but not exactly an authority on understanding women...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 09:18 AM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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