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I bet she had an eye for them, too! I actually wouldn't be as repulsed by them if all dick pics sent to people weren't so unaesthetic – camera flash, bad angles, unflattering poses... I guess that the dudes spend all their creativity points in playing with perspective to make the reference object (for some reason that one is common) smaller
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/20 10:13 PM
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Hmm... you're a tough one! I chose mine on a whim, and since no pill fits anyone sane on here properly... I think you can stick with black, it's ambiguous enough to put the message at the center without distraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/20 10:04 PM
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This sounds like every dark room technician I've met. They always have fun stories to tell. Sounds like typical dark room shenanigans!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/20 09:48 PM
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I dig your new flair
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/20 09:33 PM
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Are we apes or humans? We have these conversations– we spend most of out time on a forum for the pettiest forms of indirectly discussing morals and egos. Return to monke isn't nihilism– it's being like being zombiefied with a prettier colourscale. It's reductionism. If we're surviving and have for a while– tend and befriend-instincts make sense. I don't think my morals will guaranteed profit. Such a mindset of the existential minimum as categorically defining for humans is what leads to the obes…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 10:42 PM
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i can't read apparently but do feel honoured!! then i won't have to feel ashamed:)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 06:19 PM
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Understand the sentiment but disagree w the analogy. Something being difficult to do doesn't absolve you from the insight that you're being just another person enslaved to mere appetite
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 06:08 PM
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good, now you're applying reason in morals, like we're supposed to!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 05:52 PM
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Every self professed sociopath thinks theyre intelligent. That's how you end up like Leopold and Loeb and the Joker-worshippers Also there that one abt how assholes don't get more far in their professional lives https://www.pnas.org/content/117/37/22780
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 05:50 PM
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God is dead und so weiter Only relying on morals if they can be determined by some all knowing external source is slipping into pussyfied daddy issues– which authoritarians just looooooove
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 05:44 PM
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Sure. But are they meaningless?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 05:01 PM
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That's why you try to be guided by reason and – if you're lucky to have one– a conscience. Preferably, read Immanuel Kant. Besides, talk shit get hit; sociopaths aren't nearly as successful as pop culture makes them out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 05:00 PM
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If you don't have a conscience and if you disregard any morals, that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 04:48 PM
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Genghis Khan would agree
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 04:29 PM
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Clarified, I meant judging as in deeming/taking it as a relevant pointer as to how to act oneself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 04:28 PM
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That's dating. People get hurt more often than not. It's okay that someone doesn't want a relationship whether it's in general or with a specific person. But it's expected for rejected people to not be shining bright beacons of reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 04:24 PM
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Do what you want as long as it's safe, legal and is reasonably harmless. But expect assholery if you're an asshole. Judging others hypocrisy is like a dog chasing its own tail. Don't make the mistake of using others hypocrisy as an excuse to do the same. EDIT: clarification for CMV
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 04:05 PM
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All strategy is amoral if you don't care about morals.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 03:56 PM
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Not sure what you mean. That’s not what I stated. How are you sure that your causation explanation is the correct one? Read the actual study for more details. That’s the title of the second article, which is clickbaity, sure. But written by an evolutionary biologist who wrote about the study and theoretical background of it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 06:25 AM
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If they're referencing the same ones I've read, they're actually quite legit but new. We should therefore be conservative in understanding them– there still are some internal discussions and controversies about the methods and extent. Found a the ones I've discussed on here and other subs before: Bernard P, Gervais SJ, Allen J, Campomizzi S, Klein O. Integrating sexual objectification with object versus person recognition: the sexualized-body-inversion hypothesis. Psychol Sci. 2012 May 1;23(5):4…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 09:19 AM
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Can you link the FDS post? It's no ones fault per se. It just is. We don't know enough about it yet– whether it's something that is in flux or whether the rate is even across different backgrounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 02:37 AM
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Yeah, I don't doubt our desire is different. I'm just saying that we're not romantically pining everytime we fuck some guy. That's ridiculous. Men release oxytocin too. And it influences them as well. However, I'm not saying that men aren't hornier. I believe that they are. It does not however negate women's sexual drives very much existing. And those drives being misunderstood.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 05:24 PM
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As I explained, testosterone is the "driving" hormone in a "sex drive." We have endocrine systems that are far more complex than being driven by a single hormone-dominance. Estrogen deficiency in men can result in a lesser libido, among other issues. I'm not doubting that testosterone makes men and women hornier though. In fact, the reason women experience being hornier during the period can be attributed to a testosterone spike. There is a reason that women tend to be more associative and group…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 05:15 PM
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I suspect you define respect differently than we do, so I'm not surprised you'd think that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 03:12 PM
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How it functions in regards to why women aren't wouldn't be interested in casual sex, compared to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 01:12 PM
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You have an estrogen-dominant hormonal profile. Tell me more about this estrogen-dominant hormonal profile. I'm all ears, doctor.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 10:58 AM
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Our moral attitudes surrounding sexuality aren't always as innate as it's easy to think is the simplified take-away. That's academia for you; influential studies are usually not clickbait-worthy. Most of the actually interesting ones have no new findings if you read it too casually.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 05:29 PM
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Not the only reason, I'd say! This study is both very boring and interesting at the same time– which is why I get a bit defensive over people saying that it's been studied before. Because mating patterns tend to actually become embodied in less precise and naturalistic explanations. The article goes into the relevance in the introduction: Beliefs about sexual morality are a powerful cultural force in many societies. In the U.S., for example, diverging views on issues such as abortion, gay marria…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 03:41 PM
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I’ve seen that most big-scale studies have been distinguishing hypo- and hypergamy by different aspects– e.g status, economy, education etc. So yeah, the concept isn’t that glitzy and clickbait-friendly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 10:42 AM
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Did you read the title and just guess yourself forward?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 10:24 AM
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Partly– that's the one I have checked for relevance for this sub, but I've skimmed a few others and have yet to see if they're relevant or in good scale. Don't want to accidentally use a non-representative anonymous survey of 200 people as evidence of anything, because I know that will end up as a bigger discussion on academia rather than the topic! :-)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 12:56 AM
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No. I'm suggesting that we do this discussion wrong if we think of concepts of human nature in a dichotomous manner like hardwired/tabula rasa.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 12:54 AM
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Because our behaviours linked to biology don't mean that they're hard-wired. There's the nuance. Evolutionary psychology's critique against behaviorism (in reality a critique against a scapegoat version of behaviorism) can be relevant here. We can ignore the scapegoating part of behaviorist theory for now as it's OT. See the discourse surrounding Integrated Model Humans are born with a bundle of emotional, motivational and cognitive adaptations Brain is a collection of modular, domain-specific p…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 12:48 AM
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I can recommend the articles of Dr. Rob Brooks on these subjects, he explains the way these attitudes interact and react to environment. Economic dependence promotes prudishness The deep evolutionary links between monogamy and fatherhood are more complicated than we thought At first glance, it might seem like it's not worth looking into because duh– but there are several nuances in this that might make this sub's discussions more productive
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 12:30 AM
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Yes, I've seen that one. The article by dr. Rob Brooks I linked as the second less scholarease-y overview goes through that: Likewise, when a woman depends heavily on a man’s labour, or the money he brings in to the household, then the cost of losing him is much greater. There are two ways she might lose him through extra-pair sex: if he has other sexual relationships he could run off with one of the other women, leaving his existing family in the lurch. Innate is of the contestion here. In a sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 12:20 AM
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But the majority of people in the industrialized west have lived under conditions that made the gender-traditional family implausible. That's the thing. Working class people have related more to upper-middle class backgrounds– and have had their ideas formed by that. In the 1900s it has been naturalized significantly by popular culture, notably seen in the early nickelodeon era of cinema and later by the popularization of network television. Prior to that, religion has served a role– although th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 12:11 AM
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The study checked for religion and conservativity as well– check the controls for first study! It's quite interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 12:00 AM
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Worth mentioning, it also affects women's views on promiscuity as well. Biological concerns here should not be viewed as being biologically hardwired though, which is a conclusion that is easy to jump to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 11:54 PM
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the American working class are already doing. And have been doing for a while. A lot of culture and history is told from the perspective of the upper and upper middle class family, at the very least in the west. As an example: victorian working class women have always been working if they weren't fully occupied with raising or birthing children. I have to refresh my memory on the working class Victorian families and attitudes surrounding sexuality, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 11:45 PM
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Female hypergamy however is universal. I have some skepticism towards that idea, actually. There are a few recent stats that show that there is already evidence of women moving towards a more complimentary mating pattern when they advance education and economics-wise. Planning on doing a post on that one as well, when I have some time to delve into it with nuance. society can affect female promiscuity. It's actually more so about taking a closer look upon what creates lesser and higher anti-prom…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 11:40 PM
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No, that's not what it says. Women's precious sexual experiences are less of a big deal for men and women if they are a) perceived economically independent b) are more economically independent on a state level.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 11:33 PM
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Ok? OkCupid still is more or less only for older people over here. Online dating is also the most warped version of how dating dynamics work
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 11:51 AM
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rabidly chuddy dude: this peer-reviewed isn't valid because it's controlled by feminazis/cultural bolsevis/sjws/demonic pedocults same dude: child rapists that brag about it get laid too if they're hot enough, check out my catfish tinder experiment when I got 10 matches with a hot guy mugshot then y'all go on to vaguepost how we never cite actual empirical data. call us out by name you pussies, i wanna have a back n forth
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 12:41 PM
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Vaguebooking? Again? Come on!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 12:33 PM
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It's a shrink, not a fairy godmother Heads up through, if you say ''beta blue pilled'' in front of any medical professional you'll probably get sent to an autism evaluation lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 05:48 PM
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Yeah, and inb4 someone says it– I'm generalizing very broadly. Some are probably normal OK folks who like performatively cruel rhetoric. Doesn't even have to be therapy, but just a mindset that doesn't blame frustration on external things
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 03:18 PM
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nor is it going to teach anything but the most basic, commonplace elements of (some of) the various skills you can acquire. Many things that make someone unsuccessful in dating witness witness a prevailing behavioural issue– e.g. pathological insecurity, temper problems, social anxiety and lack of conflict management. some that you would never hear about from your therapist even if they happened to think that way. Therapists are in general not supposed to tell you what to do. What therapy form a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 02:46 PM
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Don't worry– I'm not going to chastise what you jerk off to. It wasn't what I was talking about. That being said, unrelated: both fertility and pelvic floors aren't necessarily in optimal shape at 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 02:31 PM
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They both post in PPD endlessly derailing any real discussion with their 'woe is me' claims...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 02:19 PM
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Yeah, I've heard that one from actual crazies so I'm not sure I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 02:11 PM
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Because an 18 year old isn't planning on long-term relationships lmao, you live at home, you might fuck off to another country for while soon, travel etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 02:07 PM
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It's their heart that hurts I'd say. They feel rejected or burnt out. Then some people turn to the internet instead of therapy
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 02:05 PM
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How many feminists do we have on here though
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 02:04 PM
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Jewish youth groups are one hell of a gallows humor ride
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 05:27 PM
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You're free to! It's not mine technically– came from the inside joke and drinking game Who Would've Been Sent First? in which I've been picked first being a pale as a motherfucker Chernobyl-type of Ashkenazi
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 04:01 PM
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Fuck! How did you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 09:13 PM
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I'm amazed at how some of those types literally can be left on their own turn themselves up to full women shouldn't have rights-larping. Give 15 tradcon guys 15 minutes and you'll have yourself a rally
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 12:40 PM
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Sure, but sometimes they fill a purpose more than they are accurate. It's like superstition.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 12:29 PM
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I'm not taking your 21 year old sub waifu fantasy away– I'm just laughing at my pearl-clutching because the language just sounds like the zoophilic subtext of a dairy farmer showing off his breeding stock (Thank g*d I'm a thin, independent 22 year old<3)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 12:12 PM
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Sexuality is disgusting and frankly, I'm disgusted to have one I need to buy some pearls to clutch. Becoming a puritan version of my late grandma really fast
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 12:06 PM
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Lmao thanks for the clip!! Am a Chernobyl-pale jew so it's perfect Saving for future use
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 12:03 PM
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I need to douse myself in holy water everytime men write about women ''in their prime''. I won't take that fantasy away from y'all but it's just sounds so so vulgar and gross– Accurate reaction pic abt being a youngling on here
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 12:37 AM
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Ouch. What a nightmare. I thought of the sexdoll Whitney Cummings got as an alter-ego. But your example hurts to see
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 12:04 AM
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Eh, me too! Angertainment is a thing and I'm guilty of it, especially if I get to bully the More Female War-Drone Pilots type of feminists. I feel even more justified considering their disgrace of actual women's rights pioneers like RBG. By god, the woman just died and they're at it. I liked this article on a similar thing! Title is a bit clickbaity the Conversation and it's not a new perspective by any means, but I'd still recommend it if you're interested. How neoliberalism colonised feminism …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 05:11 PM
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And how does the study measure it? The key empirical goal is to determine the characteristics of the spouse to whom the unmarried women in our sample would likely be married, assuming they exhibit the same mate selection patterns as currently married women. [Imputing Synthetic Spuses, pg. 6] You're misunderstanding descriptive data analysis to be of indicative for women's normative claims in context of the marriage market. From where is your excerpt? Can't find it by Ctrl+F.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 04:45 PM
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Ugh. Libfems are really doing the most. And worst. But it's probably gonna work– outrage pays and PR-strategies are catching on to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 03:24 PM
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That's not what the study actually measures, though. That's why I mentioned good faith– if you're going to ''shut up'' people, do so with a concisely relevant stat and contextualize it's implication.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 03:21 PM
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Why is the study proof of ''any woman younger than 30 who talks about true love'' lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 12:13 PM
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Yep. It's an important nuance. Not one that invalidates the article, I actually think the method is interesting. This study identifies recent marriages from the 2008 to 2012 and 2013 to 2017 cumulative 5‐year files of the American Community Survey. Data imputation methods provide estimates of the sociodemographic characteristics of unmarried women's potential (or synthetic) spouses who resemble the husbands of otherwise comparable married women. These estimates are compared with the actual distr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 10:46 AM
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Won't work, we've already heard of that one many times :-) Debate in good faith instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 10:24 AM
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Some of the theses of laymen evopsych I see is just reinventing the wheel. Standard social model and the integrated model is the ultimate case of it– it's built on a completely misunderstood idea of social sciences. A strawman, more or less.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 11:01 PM
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Oh c'mon! No vaguebooking!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 10:47 PM
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Not kidding, but my friend actually moved in with her first boyfriend after dating for a year. Found out he did ''sometimes'' did, which apparently meant that he did it when he was ashamed in front of friends or her. It was puppy love fuckery though, so it's an outlier. A learning moment. We've all had a friend that went through some puppy love fuckery.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 10:44 PM
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I know some. More if we count lesbians, which we don't. Lesbians in the Romance Studies department in particular.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 10:36 PM
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Good post! You break it up well. I always get intrigued when dual complaining about gold-diggers and career women. Not that nuance is impossible for those, but the goldilocks zone is simply the same same repeated ideal woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 11:36 PM
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Yet another spook!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 10:46 PM
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Resisting the urge to ping in the emojify robot here. Best shitpost in a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 07:27 PM
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No, I don't think so. Men's disposeability isn't something I consider to be an theory exclusive to RP or MRA's: feminist political theorists have pointed it out for a long time as well. It still prevails, and sex-selective abortions in one-child policy-states are likely to flip now. In out current sexist state of affairs, men are seen as disposable and women are seen as an commodity to be kept confined. Because of that, parents prefer sons because a daughter is unlikely to grant them liveable co…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 08:24 PM
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I think the US has a loophole for the production and trials of in particular medical devices and/or implants that the companies who produce them benefit from. The U.S. pharmaceutical industry looks like honest angels in comparison to these producers, which says something. John Oliver did a segment on it, and although I find him painfully unfunny I do like the brief general coverage of American news he has. Here it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 05:22 PM
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Sounds terrifying. I've heard similar nightmare stories. I don't buy the whole copper toxicity thing though. It is under researched but I found the source (the coppertoxic site) in the article to raise a few red flags in terms of science. But I don't deny that there are issues there that warrant better research, and that some health professionals don't fulfill their hippocratic and professional duties. Have you filed an consumer report in the FDA, or a different governmental body for medicine co…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 09:00 PM
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Oh, the nuvaring. That one helt so strange. Also, my blyfriend at the time despised because of how weird it made sex feel
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 08:43 AM
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Hormonal is a rather wide term. How do you mean it in regards to the copper IUD? I’ve personally always been recommended away from it . Have one of the very small/shorter-term ones that is the only contrc that works for me without turning me ill, insane, frigid or ugly. Why did you get such an infection with the IUD? Not doubting you– just wondering. Did it puncture your uterus somehow? Sorry to hear all about that ❤️
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 08:41 AM
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As for men feeling the threads of the IUD (there for easier and less invasive removal, so it's not the actual IUD that's up in the actual uterus) during sex – you can get them shortened! My partner mentioned it and I got a follow up with my OB/GYN very quickly after and she shortened them. Snip snip! Well, it wasn't a snip but she adjusted them and my partner didn't feel them afterwards As for the rest of the stuff about your copper IUD experience: it pisses me of that some health professionals …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 09:08 PM
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For me it's their tendency to not be as intrapersonally adept and capable of handling socialising events. Personally. I've had to babysit an ex-boyfriend who wanted to come with on a mingling dinner. Never again. Obligatory not all men. I think it's just the shy or introverted ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 04:32 PM
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Stefan Molyneux? Is that you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 04:32 PM
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Your tone seems very pointed. Are you upset?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 04:31 PM
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Also: the extreme as hell side effects some of us have to go through to hopefully find a suitable contraceptive method. I'm surprised when I hear of men knowing what an IUD or an implant is. Or knowing that there's more than one ''the pill''. They seem to have no idea of how relatively common the severe side effects of some contraceptions are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 04:22 PM
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i'm blue-pilled? how would i be fds?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 01:09 PM
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my guy, are you insinuating i'm a secret fds? i'm offended but not surprised come to think of it... i am a bit too charitable when speaking of them considering they're just pinkwashed bigots kinda have that with some incels as well. maybe ive had too much of that kumbaya of that late
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 12:55 AM
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Do they? Sometimes I get the impression that some men take it personally instead of doing things they'd prefer. Like a low-level self-destructive habit. I mean, then again, I have to meditate regularly if I want to prevent my chicken brain inner anorexic from committing to a week-long fast because I had a bad day. I'm no guru.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 12:33 AM
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I agree. I try to not spend more energy on things that piss me off on the internet rather than real life. It’s not a linear battle/progression, in guilty of taking the angertainment drug sometimes too. But I do it less and less often with time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 12:07 PM
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Well, shouldn’t that just make us content with ourselves? I try to use nutjobs’ anger as a motivation to take a deep breath and re-calibrate
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 12:03 PM
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Well, then you might be one of the people I actually wasn't meaning to refer to. Non-American here as well. Tired of people allowing themselves to generate buzz because they fall prey to the outrage machine.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:07 PM
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I get that they're probably pushing people's buttons, but this shit is getting absurd. Men are really letting FDS live in their heads rent-free. Worse than that even. Guys know that FDS are out there to piss them off, and still allow themselves to keep lurking and the generate intended buzz. Outrage pays.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 04:41 PM
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Is it a ''cringe fiesta'' (yuck, I feel like I'm in 2015 by just writing that word) or is it just us fucking ourselves up with angertainment? Outrage culture is like the lifehack of marketing nowadays. If I want to be famous oernight, I have a good odds if I just go on FB or Twitter, proclaiming myself to be a feminist and saying something stupid. People will eat that shit up if it just means that they get to stroke themselves off. FDS wants you to lurk and get angry, and all of you are giving t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 04:33 PM
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men should really stop lurking fds concerning how upset they get. can't be good for their blood pressure can it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 02:47 PM
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But barring 3 states in the US, abortion is legal and "not worked against" In pretty much every country in the world. No, that's a ridiculous oversimplification that doesn't even come close to true. Abortion being legal doesn't make a country have reproductive justice. Doesn't take a lot of research to realize that. Financial abortion will remain a fantasy because it's against women's interests and women make up the majority of voters. Over here women arguably benefit more from being able to jur…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 10:13 AM
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Paying more than half of your income in taxes in a capitalist society is absurd. Most people don't. I do, and other people with a similar work background.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 09:41 AM
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Yes, that's why I said that I'm all for it if the reproductive healthcare system works and isn't actively being worked against. Also, from a legislative point of view, financial and judicial abortion won't ever pass or be a viable legislative proposal until that happens. Until then, it's just a fantasy and/or thought experiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 09:20 AM
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Yeah, the good ol' hysteria. It was just an catch-all term for women experienced a very broad range of heath and/or mental issues. In my country we did lobotomize a lot of women because of that. Informed consent for the patient, whether that involves parents or not. I think a teenager has the right to gain proper and scientifically backed sex ed, and should have an option to have some autonomy in terms health and reproductive health. Life-altering and/or threatening things should if possible not…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 11:40 PM
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Yes. But I'm not going to argue tastes. I like my women how I like my men – well dressed, i.e. not wearing sportswear unless you're doing sports.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 11:16 PM
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natural wealth of the country (oil, etc.) No. That's Norway you're thinking of. We don't have the oil reserves of Norway or the US, for that matter. Sweden is the other end of the spectrum and pretty much communism Not actually true. We still have commodofied resources and capitalist enterprises. We also still have more billionares per capita, funnily enough. but most people aren't I mean, considering our happiness rate is far higher that's a hard argument to make without qualifying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 11:12 PM
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Prior to the sexual revolution, the nuclear family and gender roles were the cultural dynamic. That's the regressive hypothesis that is more of an ideological construct rather than a historical one. I'm not even sure if they needed to use contraception for cramps during that time Probably painkillers, different ones depending on severity. I know it was a horrible time for those suffering with things like Endometriosis and PMDS. Lots of medicine was patented to treat a specific condition but also…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 11:09 PM
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I'm not an American, but since I'm somewhat active with this question I happened to have read up a bit. Things like fetal ''heartbeat'' laws, state-mandated counseling involving debunked or contested information, sonogram requirements, laws unfairly targeting abortion providers in order to prevent abortions, insurance coverage of reproductive healthcare, laws that breach patient confidentiality etc. Can the Government Require Doctors to Provide Misleading Information to Patients Seeking Abortion…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:56 PM
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There are poor kids born all the time. Yes, and? Swedes pay at least half their income in taxes. Funny! I actually pay slightly a bit more than that, at least in preliminary taxes. Still close to that after tax returns. It's the price of a morally sound, humane and happier society. I get my money's worth back, whether I'm aware of it or not. Wouldn't want to lower them if it meant that my country looked more like the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:34 PM
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You know the TRP wisdom of not taking dating advice from women? Same goes for appearance and styling advice from men
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:12 PM
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There was an entire sexual revolution that promoted ideas like "free love" and drug-induced sex and orgies. Yeah. Maybe because of the invention of hormonal contraceptives? I also think you kind of are merging it together with the hippies. As Swedes we were promoting drug-induced orgies long before the hormone contraceptive pill, thank you very much. Jokes aside, Prior to that, things were more civil and OOW babies were minor occurrences that were looked down upon. I don't think pearl-clutching …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 09:29 PM
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Abortion is legal pretty much everywhere. Legal in the US? Sure, legal-ish. Accessible? Not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 09:07 PM
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Because of the child. Not because of the mother, but because a child shouldn't risk the negative health and social effects of poverty. Separating the child from a economically unfit mother is probably going to cause more harm to the child, even if the intention is the opposite. Should she know better? Yes. But is it worth risking harm to the child for our knee-jerk justice? No, thanks. I don't think a man should be put in jail for not being able to pay child support. Replace that with a proper s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:58 PM
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I don't know how to feel about children being born ''as a lesson''. Deadbeat dads and children being born out of wedlock were a thing prior to abortion being allowed, so my conclusion is that children haven't been a particularly efficient deterrent for dumb fucking. At this point, I almost wonder if starting to promote an IUD as a trendy menstrual regulation aid is the strategy to go. Are you abstaining until marriage but hate your periods? Try an IUD! Free IUDs for everyone!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:30 PM
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The Meanvangelical Girls. I've seldom met Evangelicals where I live, but the few times I've happened upon Evangelical women I've been able to see it through directly. Is it the hair? Or is it the homophobia? I still don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:21 PM
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They do, they just have a separate sub I think? Level up strategy or something like that is the name. I'm a non-FDS follower of looks-improvement advice subs, and we do have some overlaps. And we'd easily flood a sub like FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:26 PM
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Nothing wrong with steelmanning arguments you don't agree with. I can really recommend it! People like being fairly and charitably interpreted even when you disagree with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:20 PM
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If it passed or not is rather important. A governor maybe having a bill that allows for that is still a long distance away from it being a thing. I've yet to hear actual activists and abortion rights proponents advocate for that, so I would love a source since it seems rather out of the ordinary.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:13 PM
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abortion of a fully grown fetus Where is that legal? In Sweden we arguably have one of the most liberal abortion policies in the world, but abortion of a fully viable fetus is illegal. It's only done when the fetus won't survive birth. If women can abort then men should be able to financially abort. Yes, on the condition of reproductive healthcare being accessible and there being sufficient supportive resources made available to the single parent raising the child. I'm all for it in Sweden, wher…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:45 PM
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Your example frames it really well! I've had similiar situations phrased like both examples respectively, and the first one was after a lacklustre date. Getting that text made me feel cruel and obliged to accept even though it's gonna result in more hurt for the guy. The second phrasing is much, much better. Far less manipulative, frames you as someone who can handle rejection because he has a life outside of it. At first sight, someone could think that the first option is the ''kinder'' option,…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 03:37 PM
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I agree with a lot of it, actually. Some of it is worded a bit to one-sided for my taste, as I think women and men both can push for commitment too early and use their neediness as a manipulative strategy. But it's nitpicking, and the ideas are based on what his audience and his experience feel is relevant – so generalising obviously has a rhetorical point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 03:30 PM
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Probably because they're addicted to drugs? I don't know. It's a novelty? Went to secondary school in a rather preppy upper-class scenario as well, as the drug dealers tended to be rich boys in a prolonged rebellious phase. At 22, this seems to be the same with coke dealers that I see around my circles. They're not any more romantically successful than other guys in our circles though. I can tell that for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 10:11 AM
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I'm just enjoying the outrage entertainment. Also, it's pretty nice for keeping my English argumentation skills for now as I only write in my own language outside of Reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 06:55 PM
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Are background analyses somehow mutually exclusive with acknowledging different disadvantages? I’m usually wary of getting into the misery olympics; not due to being blind to men’s disadvantages in society but because it binds the conversation too much to arguing who has it worse, instead of analysing why people have it bad. Considering the discourse of this sub it obstructs the latter one.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 04:20 PM
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I'm happy to hear that your method works for you, but you're objectively wrong if we're looking at the general population.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 12:08 PM
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Crime, even petty crime, for a long time was thought to only be committed by the mentally and socially "unstable". I'm a complete layman in terms of criminology, so I'd love your perspective if I'm missing something, but I've always seen a parallel with that and the ideas that drive approaches like the Broken Windows theory. In a way, I think it's a reasonable approach to making sense of what is the socially unstable – even when the effects of its policies aren't cut and clear good. It's strange…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 10:04 PM
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Not one you'd find interesting or worth engaging in, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 09:19 PM
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That's very true! One of the most enlightening books on the subject for me as reading Foucault's Madness and Civilization: A History of Insanity in the Age of Reason. There is an interesting dialectic at play in terms of gendered conceptions of in the history and development of treating mental illness – with interesting developments in the Age of Reason; unreason, whether it was psychosis or societally condemned individuals, were seen as results of moral failings and were confined together. This…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 09:17 PM
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Alright, I don't think we're gonna get anywhere from here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 08:52 PM
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There's a theory that these less-effective tactics are due to a subconscious aversion to suicide, to risk in general. Yes – and I actually believe it among other theories. I don't think it can be understood as a faking it, but I'd guess that women's suicide attempts often are done impulsively in the midst of acute mental emergencies, while men turn to and plan it it as the last measure in their pain. Regarding therapy, it's only effective if the patient is receptive. A lot of men aren't comforta…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 08:19 PM
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It's not an end-all be-all. That's why it's dependent on good healthcare and establishing a trusting contact with a qualified psychiatrist that realizes that the cocktail isn't working on you. It's also dependent on what issues one might have. As a former anorexic I'd be dead or dealing with cardiac irregularities/infertility if I hadn't gotten the right meds to make me receptive to therapy and self-accountability in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 08:11 PM
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Therapy is the latest fad in commercializing people's loneliness and despair We live in a aggressively late-stage capitalist society, so it's a given. The Self Help crooks are far more ahead in that aspect, though. I get your point however, and it's not completely false. What I find ridiculous that it would be circumvented through communal ways of living solely.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 08:03 PM
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Yes, because women get far more support than men do – and suicide attempts are more likely to be suspected. Meanwhile, men attempting suicide tend to be far more isolated and lacking support from the outside world. Therapy is very effective for men as well, there's a lot of prejudice that hinders it from reaching the men that need it. Meds are some work in terms of finding the right dosage and drug, which takes a psychiatrist, support network and of course – luck. It's still life-saving and shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 06:52 PM
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Men are more likely to attempt suicide and succeed because they're often socially discouraged from seeking professional help when they need it. We're both miserable within different frameworks. Besides, antidepressants and therapy are great, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 05:57 PM
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Duh, bitching about being single is nothing but just that: bitching. Goes for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 05:48 PM
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Thanks for this post!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 11:01 AM
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This is the correct stance. The couple where the man is indifferent to the woman's willingness to look attractive for him is one where no sparks fly. There is no better start to a night out than knowingly picking a dress that you know your partner really likes on you. Or a man that takes notes of what pieces of clothing you like on him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 10:56 AM
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It's naive that people think that this will ever be feasible. If I had to make my libido higher (it's already high, but doesn't matter) I'll just upgrade to full time lesbianism instead of pretending to be attracted to guys I dislike.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 10:36 AM
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Why would I? Isn't it universally frowned upon to explain jokes? :-)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 08:28 PM
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We are, women's humour is different though. I goof around in banter or inside jokes though. It might be more of a cultural thing, body comedy and loud humor isn't too popular over here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 03:04 PM
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Social democratic policies like paid parental leave (with a part earmarked specifically for fathers) and universal childcare will help a lot as well. It makes it less of a financial gamble for women (and men, in extension) to start a family .
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 05:54 PM
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Oh, it's a myth. Trust me. Men love being approached, granted that you do it right.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 02:41 PM
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That's attitude is what creates and has created various moral panic(s). What do you think about banning porn in general? Shouldn't we shame consumers as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 02:28 PM
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OnlyFans is having a devastating impact on the sexual market. Is it unprecedented and is it an notable step outside usual industry modes of pornography though? The hyper-commodification of sex and faux-emotional bonding is truly vile. Neither commodification nor parasocial relations is novel or dominated by the industry of OnlyFans. It could be argue that Only Fans' business model enables a less destructive way of sexual commodification in particular: Grants it's adult entertainers more autonomy…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 02:24 PM
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It feels true; it's relatable enough, it's concerning and reaffirms your own concerns about the future. But that doesn't mean it's factual. I intend no malice here. This is something that all individuals with concerns and a worldview tend to do; but for us to have this attitude we will be hindered in actually reaching a solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 01:21 PM
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Some people have really fallen down a rabbit hole and have an agressive panic reaction as soon as a woman's sexual partners is mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 10:34 AM
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Yes, I agree to the extrent of seeing use in personality models. I do prefer seeing extraversiom and introversion as more far-going than the essentialist reductionist bull it often poses as today. I’ll not say anything about being sociosexually extraverted, having a high n-count and a strong moral compass because the anti-slut activists tend to get triggered by me saying that its possible. What I can say is that extraversion also is a way of being kept morally in check; when you do mean and immo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 08:21 AM
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Yeah, but many introverts actually want to develop a bigger friend group. The concepts isn't a life-long static thing. Intrapersonal skills aren't exclusive to extroversion, the difference is that extroverts often seek out social context that force them to get socially adept. Now, I've met extroverted men that are complete messes. Most of my friend group are self-proffesed introverts – although in the colloquial sense, they're obviously not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 08:57 AM
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Yeah, the lack of shared contexts really makes it hard. I'm not gonna give you any advice there – I've never really been in almost exclusively male communities. I'm often in male dominated ones, but it's not the same thing. It's sad that people, often women, often avoid showing an interest in friendships in people you're unused to. I know for some women (when they're at least somewhat average-looking) might be afraid to do this when a lot of introverted guys are involved, and I think this fear i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 10:01 PM
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I'm in my early 20's, and I think it helps that my circles tend to be very amicable. It's obviously a messier affair if it's a bad breakup, in which I've been forced to pick sides and check for my friends reasonable discomfort. Life is hard, and sometimes I frame things as too easy as a way to deal with (understandable) cynicism.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 09:54 PM
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I sent off the answer too early – so in order to not ninja edit I'll write a second reply. My hobbies are mostly male dominated, and I can't really joke around with women the same way I can with my bros. And let me be clear: there is nothing inherently wrong in not being able to have the same type of jokes in different groups of friends. I know I my raunchy and ''black'' humour doesn't land well among a male friend group. Jokes are highly dependent on context, and I can't blame others for my jok…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 08:50 PM
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You befriend them through your friend – but if it's a rocky relationship or a new one it's probably not possible. Also hard if there's jealousy or trust issues. For me, I just always consider couples to be an item and I try to include my friends new partner when we're hanging out as a group. I also try to integrate into the person's I'm dating friend group if it's going well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 08:38 PM
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Yeah, I think befriending your friends girlfriends/boyfriends can be a very good beginning in expanding your friend circles to include more people of the opposite sex if you're heterosexual. Some of my closest guy friends started with them being the boyfriends of my best gal pals. I used to have trust issues towards men and now I'm far less gender-specific in my trust issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 07:10 PM
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At the fundament, stripping away the vulgarities and provocative manosphere lingo, I don't think the archetypal TRP-man behaves in extreme ways when it comes down to real life relations. There have been a noticeable amount of RPers that I've had productive discussions with that probably act like good – albeit slightly too chauvinistic for my personal liking – dudes. However, TRP just really seems to excerbate any prior societal misadjustments in some. It's similiar to alternative medicine, in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 06:15 PM
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Yes, but not because I'd be disgusted or disapproving of their choice of woman – but that they chose a woman that likely didn't have a choice. Being raised with the Nordic model and all. But I'd take more issue if they perpetrated violence towards prostitution workers in the name of opposing prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 10:07 PM
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It's comfortable to blame social ineptidude on looks, no? The ego always finds a way to shield itself from yet another blow.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 11:46 AM
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I filter out dates and friends that show social ineptitude. I agree wholeheartedly with your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 08:52 AM
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I'm sorry that my post sounded like that. Wasn't my intention, but I understand that my phrasing was clumsy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 08:34 AM
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I'd like to believe this I really do. And maybe you don't, but I've already been gaslight by feminism more than I'd like to admit. I used to be a feminist. That's OK. But I'd like to tell, maybe even reassure, people that feminism for the most part is to vague and broad to have an actual agenda to commit academic conspiracy specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 11:30 PM
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All I'm trying to say is that guys have good reason for caring. And I agree with you, even if I'm bad at voicing it. A lot of the common insecurities of men today have the telltale signs of being a potential BDD epidemic among men and young boys. I've been hopelessly sick with anorexia a few years back. I don't say this to gain sympathy, but hopefully to make dismissive people realise that this might become a potential public health concern. What worries me is that most of the insecurities I hea…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 10:54 PM
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That's a highly subjective term for a study. I didn't link the actual study, just the second hand source summary of it. So nuance is bound to be lost in the name of readers' initial comprehension and interest. It's a bummer though, because I think the actual findings are behind a paywall/bookwall. I think those would provide a more interesting analysis. Sociology has proven to be one of the most unreliable fields with these types of studies I really hate to say it, but I'm really tired of this t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 10:21 PM
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If it's too long, guys would just have to be more attentive and control thrusts. That's the problem. Many women experience that men don't take it seriously when they ask for that, and it has made me conclude that it seems to much of a hassle to have sex with. If it's small, it's always going to be associated with "lacking" I think men have legit reasons for feeling that way – but this can really turn into a paranoia and self-fulfilling prophecy. Compare it to how much of a turn off it is to have…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 08:57 PM
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Good to hear. Considering the potential trauma that can come out of being a victim of such things, and in worst case, being a child born from that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 07:11 PM
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But isn't communication style an expression of personality? Yes and no. Even better, if I'm gonna talk from my view completely – yes, but no. Personality influences it, but the wide concept of personality as we speak of it often muddles the understanding of what we're speaking of. Before I continue, I'll just say that I am someone who doesn't believe that people have a deep-seeded personality whose faults and virtues get obstructed by circumstances and communicative gaps. It is a concept we crea…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 07:05 PM
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That's horrible. I'm sorry to hear that you went through such a violation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 04:13 PM
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I'm 22, so yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 04:11 PM
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I know it might sound like that, I really do. But it helps to see it as us classifying ''average'' more widely than men do. A man that is slightly smaller than average will probably think of his as ''small'' when by himself, but for most women slightly smaller than average is still average. Having that in mind, too big actually is something I can see most women having a preference against. I'd choose a ''smaller than average'' (which for women usually just means average) before a too big one any…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 01:29 PM
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Means of personality is such a really good phrasing, actually. I would word it as me having the means that make the personality have a chance and offsetting looks imbalances. Although, these ''means'' I speak of aren't about personality, partly because personality is such an abstract and slippery concept in the context of dating. It's actually about communication. Women and men use language differently to one another, which leads to what I consider a initial lag in communication when I date men.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 12:41 PM
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I've never really observed this as a women-issue. In my view it's something I see in men and women alike. Look at the dehumanizing language both us women and men tend to use when we describe overweight people, for one. The aggressive disregard and even cruelty that gets displayed on main subs on Reddit and pop culture in concerning, because we have reasons to suspect that such attitudes can spread towards other groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 10:55 AM
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Not the poster, and I don't know if I'm reading the statement correctly. There is a basis in stating that female friendships have more to them than men's friendships with other men have. Here is a link to the Science Daily summary. I'd find it more interesting to describe difference instead of judging one as better, though. Gonna see if I have access to the original study beyond the abstract of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 10:41 AM
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My female friends have been people who wouldn't really go out of their way to do anything for most people unless they need something from them but appear really nice and friendly to most people. Just sounds like your female friends aren't that good of people or good at friendship, no? Doesn't have to be your fault either, there are many complex external factors that determine the possible demographics of one's social connections.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 10:24 AM
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I have male friends whose opinion and feedback I value rather highly, but that has more to do with me being a social person and cherishing friendships and less with my gender. I have a harder time trusting men I don't yet know though. Working on getting better in that aspect. ​ But to what extent do women desire men, if at all? We do. But we have a completely different idea about desire. I don't see men that show desire towards me without having anything in common as real desire towards me. You …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 10:14 AM
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I don't really notice or think about it too much? I think all my partners have only ever been average. I'm a filthy degenerate bisexual though, so maybe it's different
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 09:51 AM
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Nah, it's the same tough exterior that misogynists have. As a woman, it's quite easy to see through it when it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 09:15 AM
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Sweden, although I've spent some time in France and have rather culturally diverse circles even here. I would say that it's mostly my anglo-saxon and very typically Scandinavian acquaintances where it is less natural. Although, my purely Swede friends haven't had any qualms in adopting the habit. Friendly affection is nice, not possible during COVID obviously A large part of my family is Slavic, also, and I think my affinity for a few cheek kisses and good hugs come from there. I grew up seeing …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 07:59 AM
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I don't understand it to well, to be honest. I think it's because I don't find men out of my league relatable? I find women out of my league relatable however, because as women we speak the same language.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 07:43 AM
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I think a large sum of people here don't really care or see the importance in acting in good faith, which is where I feel confident to point out what they're doing. Actual malice is something I personally see as very rare. Carelessness, intellectual laziness and inexperience are far more common, in where I usually lend some extra kindness to the latest of the three.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 07:28 AM
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I don't understand how that counters my sentiment. It's sad, but it's also a weird situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 08:16 AM
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Pointing out who is a victim is something I've found to be a dead end, in terms of political discussion. one's liberty ends up being another's detriment. Absolutely. I'm critical of laissez-fair capitalism and neoliberalism for that reason, but such conclusions do require an in-depth justifications. I think that companies have too much liberty to continue business practices that harm it's employees for their own profit, but I'd hate to forcibly take away their liberty to conduct business in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 08:15 AM
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You want me to answer specifically or figuratively about my observations?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 08:11 AM
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There is nothing productive or new about your reply. I've heard your exact argument on this forum a lot. Keep on rationalising, pal. I've never cheated and never will. Considering your attitudes, you probably will. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 08:10 AM
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I didn't contradict that. Read my post again.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 08:09 AM
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I always do a goodnight bisous with my pals, mostly women (gay and straight) and straight men, but I've given my straight male friends as well. I get that it's a cultural thing though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 08:08 AM
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I don't mind them nearly as much in theory as I do in practice. Men and women learning to coexist without pursuing one another is a pessimistic, but not morally wrong per se. Men being upfront about not trusting (or even liking women), lifting weights and going their own way through their careers and the like? Sounds great for them. What complicates this hypothetical stance is the repulsion I feel at how they act in practice. At a base, pearl-clutching and outrage-producing, level – I'm afraid t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 08:56 PM
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Sometimes people ARE being dishonest because their actions and behavior do not reflect what they claim That's the issue though. It can work in real life when talking about people in your vicinity, but the basis of arguing dishonesty over forums like PPD is that we tend to dismiss differing experiences because we've pre-determined the nature (and scope) of the group that the person represents. TL;DR: It's not even because it's unproductive, it's because it's inherently predisposed to be fallaciou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 08:14 PM
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I can't access the original through my usual institutional access, maybe someone else can?https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1948550619856308?journalCode=sppa Couldn't see anything about sample sizes and pools beyond Dark Triad traits and traditionalist ideas predicting ''Foodie Calls'' in the first smaller sub-study, and with the second one predicting mainly based on dark triad traits. The pools are rather small, but I do wonder where they're based. I wonder how factors like current r…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 07:10 PM
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Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 05:49 PM
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What a killer combo. Wine mom is a barely insulting pejorative as I see it. I always picture it as a happy mother just winding down with a well-deserved glass of wine. I thought of mine after seeing Prozac being told about as if it was a opiate or a street drug and not the least dramatic SSRIs there are currently.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 05:47 PM
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But thank you! I do try my best when I don't respond with defensiveness preemptively. EDIT: mistook a user
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 05:23 PM
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Funnily enough I actually just found out that study when searching for a different one about OLD dating. Rang a bell, so I expanded it and found the details. Interesting, but not not proof that 1/3 dates are foodie calls – considering the disclosed limited pool. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/06/190621140343.htm Interestingly enough, the study with a slightly bigger pool (820 women in a non-representative pool) also finds that more women find that behaviour moderately to extremely un…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 05:18 PM
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That happens with time, I've noticed, and it does indeed help out with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 03:51 PM
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I really have to work against my reflex to defend misconstrued interpretations of my argument. My pals tell me to not waste time, but my bitchass does so every darn time lmao. I have tons of learning to do
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 03:37 PM
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Alright – I'll make sure to be extra good at disclosing that I'm stating a opinion based on my strong personal observations next time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 03:35 PM
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it's also been proven that 1/3 dates are where a woman wants a free meal Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 03:26 PM
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These descriptions seem so alien to me lmao I do see some women have some weird dynamics in dating (there are tons of 'feminist' tradwife instagrams, for gods sake), but is it a significant part of the dating issues we talk of? It honestly just sounds like a minor annoyance at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 03:25 PM
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I actually posted because I saw that interaction between you and and that dude, and I was impressed by how well you quick you discredited that accusation. It does make me doubt my strategy of trying to extend good faith tactics until I'm beyond any hope of a productive exchange. Unsurprisingly I'm relatively new to reddit discussion boards compared to real life debating, so I have tons of things to learn. Thanks for your insight! Love the flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 12:28 PM
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Hi PDD! Can we maybe discuss the phenomenon of arbitrarily accusing people of being dishonest for having an opposing point? I try to give people the benefit of the doubt and suspend my suspicions of bad faith, but I'm starting to think of that as meaningless and that I argue with those people too long. What are your experiences? Doesn't matter the pill or background, or if you're someone who has happened to accuse others of dishonesty in good faith. Would be nice to have a meta convo abt it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 11:34 AM
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Sir this is a debate sub and not the therapist's office
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 11:28 AM
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My biggest issue is that men attribute the success rate of a good banter, friendly teasing and having a real back-and-forth to them being an asshole. It's easier to be confident while acting bad, for some reason, but a conficent Doctor Without Borders will have it easier dating than Dan Bilzerian does, I'm sure. My idea of assholes aren't the men that split the bill and hold unflinching eye contact. My idea of an asshole is the guy who doesn't tip the waiter, is moody and speak ill of all their …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 11:22 AM
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I don't know how realistic those catty girls actually are, though. Granted, I don't live in the states, but it sounds more like a television/movie thing than it does socially. I went to a very competitive and preppy Swedish secondary school though, and the popular people there tended to be extremely kind and likely to befriend any type of person. The less popular ones were the bitter and pretentious misanthropes. That being said, women intimidate people in a different way than men do. Mind you, …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 11:10 AM
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Same here. It's a term that's more for convenience for certain discourse. Trigger warnings have fallen out of favour, in my experience. I've only ever seen them in contexts where lot's of people with diagnosed traumatic disorders have asked for it prior to discussions or depictions of brutality, gore, sexual violence etc. It's nothing more dramatic than workplaces asking to not wear perfume if they have several scent-sensitive employees.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 10:54 AM
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I only know I've seen my fair share of screenshots and gossip among my educated gal pals when men try their ''frame'' and ''alpha'' shtick. It's an, however anecdotal, observation. In the same sense, your stance is also just an opinion or an anecdotal observation at best lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 10:50 AM
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I think it's because as women, no matter the sexuality, we tend to grow a pluralist sense of beauty. I find Naomi Campbell and Chrinstina Hendricks are both extremely beautiful for me, and I'd find it absurd to ''rank them''.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 10:44 AM
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A poor person that gets money doesn't cease to be bitter. Neither does a rich person that gets tax cuts. On a moral and psychological level, even if you actually have been wronged, bitterness and consequent ressentiment are still pathological. But that's verging off topic. I could re-phrase my original point to exclude bitterness, and I think the core of it still stands without my point about bitterness being a universally repulsive trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 10:03 AM
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I don't think so. Bitterness =/= dissatisfaction. Dissatisfaction can cease, but bittnerness is about feeling wronged and not being able to see one's own faults. But that's beside the original point, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 09:43 AM
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How so? I overgeneralized a bit, sorry, but other than that it's my honest observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 09:40 AM
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Probably because even a bitter person can't stand a bitter person, I think? Not sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 09:12 AM
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I meet single ugly women all the time, tbh. They're as bitter as single ugly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 08:55 AM
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Bi woman here. I tend to prefer men that aren't more attractive than me. I like being the pretty one. A modern Adonis is pleasant to look at, but they just don't make my heart jump. Strangely, this isn't as important when it comes to dating women. I'm picky there, but I'm less inclined to feel threatened or insufficient in a relationship. But I also have the convenient half-lie to tell girls I'm not feeling that I'm straight, a la Paris Sashay
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 08:54 AM
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I don't think educated women are that interested in red pill men tbh, so I think this we can coexist. It's a win-win. Red pill men find a suitable partner by avoiding me, and vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 08:23 AM
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That's just hyperbolic cringe comp from 2016 bullshit. I'm a progressive, but I'm yet to actually encounter a ''safe space'' in my life, as conservatives describe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 08:21 AM
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Late to the party here. I think it's just one factor. It's not the end of it. I like my men a few years older, but the older men that are too attracted to my youth tend to not be the most moral bunch. The good ones at least hesitate and find out if I'm mentally stable first.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 07:48 PM
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There is a way to put this criticism better, I think. A, so believed, looksmatch that reject someone isn't responsible for their misery. That's just a very whiny way to frame it, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 07:20 PM
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But it's not what really goes on with protectionism and patriarchy - it's about collectivism vs individualism. Sorry to yet again revert to a soft disagree. I still think that on a global scale, that the terms of collectivism vs individualism might be a bit too ambiguous to be able to discern a global ideological tendency and it's outcomes. Terminologies we use in this context can't be inherently correct, so I think we both can agree that we use them whether they're useful, and I wonder if my pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 10:06 PM
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I almost agree with you on most of your points. Except that the idea of feminism being born out of globalization – it's a very specifically American take as I read it. Substitute globalization with capitalism (in lieu of more advanced jargon) and I'd technically be closer, but let's not for sake of not derailing. The liberation of trade and sex technically is additional freedom, yet both also bring overall subjective drop in happiness. I guess this is the point of contention for me. Instinctuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 08:28 PM
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But we can't realistically commoditize relationships - well, people are trying to do it with vanity anyway as there's really no choice to do otherwise. I'd agree that it it's not something we can formally commoditize – but I would say that a most populations I can think of consistently treat relationships as commodities. I'd say that this is outwardly undesireable, as you might agree with, but we do sure differ on our ideas on what the problem is. I disagree with the thesis that feminism is the …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 06:55 PM
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Hm, this parallel is a lot of commitment but might be worth it if we add in the actual nuance. I get the parallel to choice exhaustion, I don't agree with it though. Choice exhaustion isn't something that has made restrictive market policies broadly endorsed by a general public, there tends to be a backlash everytime there's an embargo that affects societal groups negatively. If we make (a very simplified) distinction between protectionism and a free market, and apply that to real societies, we …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 05:54 PM
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It's so very interesting. What we today classify as repressive or progressive could be completely incoherent to a person living the eras of classical antiquity. Even more confusing, different eras of the western classical antiquity could have a field day arguing that as well. Like, pederasty in ancient Greece was more or less male homosexuality with (for us) extra steps. Then we have ancient Roman law and sexology: it's not gay if you're topping a slave. I'm simplyfing for the comedic relief, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 05:25 PM
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I'm questioning the question. I work with education, specifically ages 11-16, so yes lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 04:32 PM
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Mental illness is a weird term to use for it, but I think it's a case of people not digging deeper. I'd say that it's about projection and rationalising. Otherwise sound people sometimes exhibit weird lapses of reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 08:12 PM
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Diplomacy means that you sometimes compromise in order to play the long haul. Losing the battle in order to win a war, if I'm to use a overused metaphor to describe the concept of soft power. They likewise had a job they were democratically elected and employed to do. I'm a Swede myself, and having followed that debate during the time the other option would be to throw diplomatic efforts and the work going into such bilateral deals by many professionals across the political spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 06:22 PM
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How do people even define simpery nowadays? I only hear the term here and from 12-year olds. There are many variations of people trying to get ahead by devaluing themselves or pandering to their authorities or to get in someones pants. Simp, pickmeisha, bootlicker, Uncle Tom, scab... it's as old as time. Simping is just a male facet of the current pathology of parasocial relationships. Saying it's a part of human nature would be like saying that getting irrationally anxious from getting a phone …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 06:07 PM
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Patriarchy made women happy via "ignorance is bliss" Did it really? and the lack of female anxiety allowed for better mate choice. How unsuprising that you'd think so. Bonus: It's Freudian penis envy gone all wrong. Read some actual Freud, mayhaps. I'll not let anyone tarnish the name of Big Daddy Freud on my watch!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 05:54 PM
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What does a changed geolocation help with, pray tell? Go to Saudi Arabia. Oh wait, loudest Swedish feminists, wore scarfs there. From the article: Sweden's EU and Trade Minister Ann Linde defended her decision to wear a headscarf at the weekend. In an interview with news agency TT, she said that they did not want to violate Iranian law. The Swedish delegation did express views about trade union rights and women's rights, she said. The only other option, she added, was to send an all-male delegat…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 05:44 PM
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People dehumanize the person on the other side of the screen. This is an important point that's often ignored. It's easier to grow resentment over rejections in OLD in comparison to meeting someone through your social circles. Resentment grows into ressentiment, and suddenly you're too blinded by bitterness to draw conclusions and understanding one's romantic failures.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 05:33 PM
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Yes, I think so. Being socially adept is the thing I desire from men, and OLD just wasn't worth the hassle and time it took to even be able to check for that. Also had the same experience as you in terms of OLD when bisexual. WLW-only dating apps were better though, but I boil it down to external things and not the OLD-type.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 05:25 PM
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Maybe once. It wasn't as bad as the examples though. In retrospect, though, I think my sudden repulsion trigger was an unconscious scapegoat I projected onto. I've had some luck with the people I date though. At least in terms of communication and being honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 05:14 PM
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Because I yet to be presented with evidence that the late Roman Empire was sexually liberated. As for your second tangent, I'm not sure whether we'll be able to hold a coherent conversation based on those far right talking points. Have you watched a lot of Stefan Molyneux and his likes lately? I recommend being more concrete and maybe not vaguely baiting Euro ethnonationalist fringe conspiracies if you're interested in having a good faith debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 03:58 PM
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Link those studies, I'm actually curious because as I remember it – BMI is more of an general metric for initial examinations, initially modeled after the average male body. It's not something a doctor will dogmatically stick to in order to tell their elite athlete patient that they're obese or overweight. A doctor should usually be able to see any anomalies that negate the utility of a BMI scale. Whether it's a very muscular build, or abnormally large tetas or medicine-related swelling. Worth t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 03:40 PM
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I read your point as follows, correct me if I misrepresent you or if I missed something. Women often impose unfair body standards in terms of height specifically Meanwhile, the women-led 'body positivity' has entered the mainstream without any greater discussion about the impacts that women's expectation for men to be tall. Men face greater backlash from excluding obese women than women do from height-specific preferences. This discrepancy is either fundamentally or substantially intertwined wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 03:30 PM
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People bend over backwards to sustain a favourable self-image, even when their self-esteem is shit. Unless one is antisocial, we all cling on to the idea that we're good at the core and that you don't have to work on your personality for it to be good. To draw a parallel phenomenon: incels believe that they are failing because of their bad looks, while refusing to realize that their personality is bad as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 10:18 PM
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I meany my why-not more as a shrug and not as me questioning you, pardon!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 09:06 PM
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To answer the question, I'd wager that it probably isn't favourable to have a population of people who don't practice restraint very often. But for that to be relevant, I'd have to be less sceptical of the notions that: Sexual and reproductive liberty was prevalent in the late Roman Empire; That such liberties are powerfully, or inherently, linked to lack of hedonistic self-restaint; That such societal behaviours could be seen as a movement that disturbed a hypothetically longer-lasting civiliza…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 08:54 PM
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And how efficient were those? I'd guess that they were similarly efficient to proto-abortions, although pulling out and primitive condoms probably weren't posing as much as immediate health risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 08:33 PM
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How come? I've heard a lot, but I see some issues in stating the last century of the Roman Empire as 'sexually liberated'. Second question, do you believe the aforementioned sexual freedom was a significant cause of the fall of the Roman empire? If we contrast it to societies that have had the opposite approach, e.g. valuing chastity and having societally enforced monogamy, are there differences we can discern as a factor for their ''success''?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 08:29 PM
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no serious, significant political bloc is arguing that it is. to the contrary, there is a school of thought that argues the very reasonable case that biology ("nature")and socioeconomic environment, upbringing, culture, (i.e. "nurture") both influence us. I wasn't claiming that a serious bloc was proclaiming it. I was claiming that some of us online amateurs (me included, but I try to be self-aware of that) simplify and adjust scientific theories and concepts in order to fit our, in comparison, …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 08:19 PM
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Why not? My gay friends would be delighted at being able to have children without the risk of exploitation that surrogacy carries.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 07:43 PM
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I’m a Swede :)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 06:01 PM
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I mean, where I live only right wing wackos do that type of dating. Women approach very often here, and I don’t think it’s because of courage but because that courage isn’t needed the same as it is in the U.S. We have good sex ed, accessible and free reproductive health and have less weird stuff about women with careers than the U.S. I’ve pursued men (and women) quite frequently. Splitting the bill is the norm. We also didn’t have the same traditionalist fetish in the 50’s. Progress is a part of…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 07:41 AM
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Biological determinism is a question of if, because that line of thought easily brings us to fallacious claims. I think biology influences us, but not to the extent that it makes nurture and reason an afterthought.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 07:33 AM
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You were making a comparison. I told you that your relativist take didn’t change the fact that catcalling is bad. Then I expressed my dissapointment in people defending bad behaviors on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 09:28 PM
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Which specific laws? In what country or jurisdiction?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 09:12 PM
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Actually, I technically agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 09:10 PM
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I got harassed the most by men when I was 11-13 and a chubby preteen lmao. Maybe the 4chan pedos are right then /s When I actually got sexually desireable (isn’t hard for us considering how low mens expectations are on here) I got more reciprocitated and appropriate attention, and not as much harrasment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 09:09 PM
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I literally didn’t say any of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 08:08 PM
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The men that catcall aren’t men who are suffering from not managing to find happiness within an “uneven playing field”. The best way to make more women pursue is to work for an environment that isn’t weird about it. I use that specific phrasing to not upset anyone here. Women are far more direct and likely to approach in socially progressive places, but for many that’s not a trade off they like.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 08:05 PM
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Oh, I was a bit quick in jumping the gun then!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 07:37 PM
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You have a very elaborate story about a strawman hypothetical clearly based on a lot of feelings. Are you OK dude?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 07:35 PM
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Men feeling fucked over doesn’t make catcalling harmless. Relativising painful experiences is idiotic, and at best pointless. I don’t get the willingness to defend catcalling by people on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 07:32 PM
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So, if we make the biological determinism argument, it will not happen in the foreseeable future. So what to do with the status quo? Give men a braveness medal for daring to stand up to the big bad feminazis and pursue a woman? I doubt it’s that, especially since I’m being consciously hyperbolic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 07:26 PM
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Nature doesn’t think anything. Biological determinism leads us nowhere but to fallacious grounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 07:05 PM
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Does being an asshole actually work for men that want to end up in a fulfilling relationship, though? I don’t think people axiomatically desire niceness, in particular for casual dating/hook-ups. But does that mean that assholes (and bitches) don’t get ghosted when the relationships require fuel other than looks starts being required?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 06:40 PM
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Likewise, some unattractive men have a habit of assuming their personality with little introspection. And in general, we can even replace “some men” with “lots of unattractive people”. It’s a self-help, self-coping and naïve interpretation that one’s unattractiveness is a prime breeding ground of personal growth.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 06:19 PM
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Oh, she already done had herses
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 05:44 PM
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Oh, yeah. I see the same even when I try to avoid the crust punk-ish type I still have noticed that they don't have the same dating difficulties you'd expect them to. But it's often a case of subcultures dating within themselves, I think? Hippies fuck with hippies, yuppies with yuppies. It was very visible when I was younger and more involved in the industrial/synth/goth type of scene. High fashion circles as well, which overlap heavily with that scene where I live. To an untrained eye it would …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 01:21 PM
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Oh, sorry for sounding berating in that end sentence – my bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 05:28 PM
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Oh, trust me, there are a lot of feminist – or mostly leftie, because that's where I organise myself IRL – men that get more than their fair share of casual sex. It doesn't even matter that much, especially if one doesn't see fucking around as a victory. But this narrative about BP/progressive/feminist men is strange and just sounds like dogmatic TRP-rationalisation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 05:23 PM
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It's the best thing about moving in with your SO. Just coming home after an day of irritation and getting a lil something in order to return to a normal human state
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 01:56 PM
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Lmao you get a pass, just by actually making me laugh! I believe you
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/20 03:58 PM
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Morality has no meaning if all you want is to get laid. Don't know how effective it is if you finding happiness and a meaning of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/20 03:39 PM
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No, honestly, I do feel for men who have fallen down that rabbit hole of feeling bad because of their height. I've always been mostly height-apathetic, and as a result ignorant to how big of this issue it is. A part of it might be that it doesn't have that a direct counterpart for women. It's not like height is something one could influence, either. The closest we as women come to a counterpart would be the inverse, but even then I would say that the a passive aggressive comment I get when I wea…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/20 02:57 PM
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I agree with you wholeheartedly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/20 11:45 AM
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This post presumes the fact that humans have no intristic value beyond their reproductive and capacity of providing for the security of next generations. I disagree with that – but I'm not arguing that human life has inherent value. I think it has, but you don't have to believe in inherent human value in order to actually value it. Nihilism isn't incompatible with ethical thought. If we don't value lives because they're not inherent and objectively demonstrable, we are setting ourselves up for p…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/20 11:14 AM
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To be fair, I think people are capable of valuing human life even when they don't consider it inherent. Many people, however, tip over from normal doomer to convenient immorality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/20 10:57 AM
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I don't know whether it's insightful for anyone as to what I consider a good personality. But if I'm gonna do that, being likeable is a threshold I have for friends and dates alike. In practice, just to give a meaningful anecdote, I can mention what has been the difference between me being romantically attracted and loving a friend platonically that wasn't purely superficial or contextual. My friend in this case context has no problems with dates or hookups and I've known him for a long time. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 08:00 PM
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A man who could occasionally find romantic relationships, but only sexless romantic relationships. Unless one is dating someone asexual (closeted or otherwise), someone who has a considerably lower libido or someone chaste/waiting for marriage, how much of a common occurence is this? I'd assume that sexuality and mutual attraction is an integral part of romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 07:14 PM
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I think they're asking about hypotheticals that would give insight on women's dating expectations and whether they're reasonable. Interestingly enough, I am an actively (in lack of a better word, lmao) bisexual woman in a LGBT-friendly city. Thing is, I don't have more problems in finding romantic relationships with women than I have with men. They're different, sure, but none is easier than the other I'd say.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 07:06 PM
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Having lots of female friends doesn't mean that you have a good personality. It means that you're good at befriending women. A good personality also doesn't mean that you have an attractive one. This does not prove the hypothesis that a ''good personality'' is completely irrelevant in women's patterns of attraction. What it does mean is a big communication disconnect that people are uninterested in straightening out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 06:51 PM
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TRP's basis in Evolutionary Biology is about as legit as the Quantum Woo espoused by Power of Attraction-nutjobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/20 12:36 PM
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I'm getting confused now. I thought we as women were being too harsh towards men, the height fetischism phenomenon and all, but we're suddenly PC? Look at how miserable the r/short subreddit has it. It's more or less a death cult. There obviously isn't a shortage of abrasive women out there. Personally I think brutal honesty is best saved for good friends that are ready for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/20 11:29 AM
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I wouldn't be able to give them good advice on how to get ONS and fuck around as a guy, because I have never been in the shoes of a successfully slutty guy. I only ever give advice that I feel completely confident in being communicable. Men usually don't understand women's language, and vice versa. Both literally (as in linguistically) and figuratively. Likewise, men are equally shit at giving dating and appearance advice to women. If I didn't discern between their good advice and bad advice, I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/20 11:11 AM
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I can't speak for you, because I don't know you. I don't disbelieve you either. Maybe you got in shape, taught yourself some social skills and stopped allowing yourself to be passive? All I can say is that ''niceness'' isn't a categorically good trait because of how little that word means in practice. It's a low bar. Niceness, as it's used, has more to do with passiveness than kindness and/or morals. Were you previously doing volunteer work and wishing you neighbour a good day, and didn't find s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/20 11:00 AM
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People seem to be of the impression that unattractiveness by virtue gifts you a good personality. It's strange. I've always wondered whether the sentiments of being a teenage friendzonee are more painful than they might seem by first impression; you get a glimpse into the possible reality that you neither have romantic potential but that you also might have been overestimating a bond with someone who consoles you through saying that they'd rather have you as a friend. All ''jocks'' (ugh, that wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 10:14 PM
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u/ProfessorChuckFinley, when did you stop beating your wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 08:23 AM
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Thing is, the sourge of incel posts that probably caused the mods to do this were posts that were a complete dead-end as a discussion. I stopped even trying to have a dissenting point on them because I knew that a dissenting point in their post in a debate forum would just end up stepping on toes without any intent of doing so. When a discussion ground gets a lot of repetitive and badly-formulated posts that are impossible to refute, either due to unwarranted direct hostility from non-OP sides(n…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 09:26 PM
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I always hear from women how insecure, pathetic, childish and whatever other word that exists, a man is, for caring about not wanting to date a woman with a high n count.... How common is this? I want to be open minded, and I know my surroundings might be limited. In my circles it's kind of antithetical to shame someone for their boundaries, especially in risky environments like OLD. By red standards I'm a horrible slut, but I also only date other slutty men and am friends with similar women. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 07:32 PM
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No to everything, but I don't think your sentiments are in the wrong place. The post you quote states things without analysing it's components. Why do we feel shame when masturbating, or even in general? Why are we assuming that this purity culture only affects masturbation and not sex? The idea behind metastrophilia might make sense, but what we now are doing is simplifying a concept that is best kept within the bounds of the proper professional typological discourse. There are behaviours outsi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 12:57 PM
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When in comes from people with good intentions, it's a fallacious conclusion that comes from the fact that sex workers today are treated unfairly by the same general public that at the same time consume their content. We want sex workers to be able to continue on to live a life without discrimination, and some people end up making the premature conclusion that ''sex work is good, actually''. Like, no one has to date or even be friends with an adult entertainer. Problem is when you're unwilling t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 10:20 AM
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Is it word play? I'm just reasoning here. Beta male is not a scientific concept that has a definition agreed upon by professional consensus. It's a colloquial term. No need to meaninglessly parrot me, because I got the point that was being made, if you decide to actually read my post without adding conveniently dumb implication to it. The answer was one that described characterics that he associates with being a ''beta male''. I answered that it's something that FDS will disagree with as their p…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 08:06 AM
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I'm not sure I follow?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 06:52 PM
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Me neither. I have moved on quickly after exiting a relationship in terms of getting back to normal emotionally, but I've never made sure to secure a relationship before that. Swinging branches is in my experience never a good sign of ''moving on'', I think it's a sign of the opposite usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 05:47 PM
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Thanks for the great article. Makes me want to read up on the phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 05:43 PM
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Men can be accused of that as well, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 05:41 PM
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But that is the case for any dating. Withholding sex is not the end-all be all method of vetting if a guy is for you, and I'd argue that giving it up too soon would signal desperation on your part. I'm all about responsible boundaries. Figure out which ones are important to you, but don't get angry at others if they make dating harder. If you're a man that wants to have sex within a few dates, it isn't wrong to not continue dating if there is incompatibility in that aspect. If you are someone wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 05:34 PM
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That analogy is rather obsolete. What is the scat a signifying in this scenario concretely? No one is into scat save for a small subset of the human population, so I don't understand your hypothetical scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 05:06 PM
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I'm not disagreeing, but FDS probably will. I don't think the strategy per virtue only attracts such men, but a subset of those probably would be the target group. I personally don't get any of those online dating strategies. They just seem to be a lot about reinventing the wheel and over-intellectualising dating strategies. No one seems any happier, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 04:01 PM
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Culture and the material superstructure it build upon. Not to throw out amateur jargon, but that's how I describe it. I would be more inclined use the word ''stigmatized'' when it comes to male sexuality. As women, we grow up with an enormous fear and distrust of men's desire and this is something that hasn't been resolved. I wonder how we can work towards men's desire not being as intimidating as women's desire is today. Women's desire is considered generally harmless, while men's desire has be…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 03:52 PM
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Well, they themselves seem to report on it as being successful – like the Red Pill who also self-report on them finding success in adopting their approach. But I also don't understand – do guys think that a chaste virgin is going to give up the goodies with them on the first few dates? It's a bit off topic, but I'm just curious. I'm not into men or women that are significantly less sexually/romantically experienced than me, so I might be out of the loop here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 03:37 PM
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Nothing wrong with not wanting to be a second guy. What is the alleged problem? I don't want to be the first girl – I want someone who has had a similiar experiences as me. Whether it is professional, spiritual or sexual. Haven't found any problems finding like-minded men. I don't take it personally if a chaste man want's someone chaste as well. So what is the big issue? Let's not sound like a broken record here and confuse projections with real life problems. Men aren't bad when they don't want…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 09:51 PM
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Someone who only has psycho exes probably isn't too stable themselves. I don't mind the normalising of that stereotype because it really doubles as a great litmus test as to who not to date. People who remain civil or even amicable with their exes – now we're talking. I'm not talking about people who are strangely besties immediately after an breakup, that's just the same side of the coin as having ''crazy exes''.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 07:06 PM
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Is there a broad consensus on what the word beta means? I'm genuinely curious, because I always thought of it as a arbitrary classification as it seems to change over time and in different groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 03:08 PM
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No, but moreso to not be dissapointed when you expect commitment from someone you haven't vetted well enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 03:04 PM
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I think men misunderstand the female bathroom rhetoric of FDS similarily to how many of us women misunderstand the locker room rhetoric in Red Pill. I'm kind of off-put by both, but let's not misrepresent anyone here. Of course it sounds like craziness to make men wait for a long time before sex, because that's not the woman you're seeking if you are primarily out to have sex. It's not like FDS encourages women to fuck around and be promiscuous either, it's for women that are dissatisfied with h…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 03:03 PM
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You have a right to assume that, but u/87AudreyHorne is open to that discussion and isn't stonewalling in on her own ideas. Maybe tell us how that bias misrepresents the nature of men in the context of strip clubs? I'm not the first to admit that I have a subconscious bias about men, but I'm not against taking in arguments that aren't in line with my implicit preconceptions of gendered behaviours. I'd love to hear about how such biases misunderstand male behaviour in those settings.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 02:31 PM
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And we know the greatest indicator of orgasm is attraction. How come that ''we know''? It's not a fact. In fact, we don't know that because [it is not the greatest indicator of women reaching orgasm.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5087699/).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 02:09 PM
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I don't know either. Do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 01:48 PM
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I think some people need some very specific and direct pointers to get to a point of knowing what people skills they lack. Explaining settings might be a good proxy to show people that women assuming you're a creep on a nightbus even when you're trying to not be threatening isn't personal.
/r/ExRedPill30/07/20 03:11 PM
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Haven't you heard? The clitoris is a feminist conspiracy to make men feel even worse about themselves. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 02:46 PM
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You think women just cum if they have a chad dick in them? Even when we can't reach orgasm even during masturbation? I wish it was that easy. Sure would make it easier for me if that was the solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 02:32 PM
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I'm a bluepill, but I think the term ''toxic masculinity'' is completely useless and it's been watered down to the point that I feel like it's sometimes just used to get a rise out of the manosphere. From the red pill, it's the whole thing about women never changing their preferences and deep down still wanting the pubescent alpha jock man. It feels like some people base reality on bad romcoms or low budget comedies. That idea about women's motivations has been ascribed such metaphysical value t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 02:26 PM
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One important one is to not allow oneself to approach people in a way that makes you feel contempt towards their gender. Disdain grows so quickly and ends up showing in actions without one being aware. As a woman, I don't date when I'm in a period where I have next to zero trust for men in general. Strategic and slightly cynical idea of self-accountability, too. Why does one only attract assholes (men and women) and what could e the common denominator in my behaviour? Maybe I'm far less charisma…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 12:29 AM
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Honestly: I was consciously trying to not claim anything else than my original point, which is why I'm asking. I will provide evidence when you settle on what you think I'm claiming other than my point. Does it suffice provide you with recent feminist gatherings that aren't deconstructionist? You haven't clarified when asked, but since deconstruction is rather off-topic for mainstream feminism I felt like that would be more disingenuous. Mainly because deconstruction, per it's concept, is comple…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 07:45 PM
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That's due to being skinny, I think? I'm verging on too skinny/underweight, managing to stay in a 'healthy' range thanks to putting on some muscle, and I look like a bony boy at the running track or the gym, unfortunately. Used to have a ''cuter'' face when I weighed more. Even though I like myself more now, I get how men prefer that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 06:55 PM
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Oh come on, now you're just being angry. I don't know shit about horses and water. And you thinking I'm being intentionally obtuse is just weird. I'm not perfect in languages, and direct translations of terminology do often sound offbeat. What claims have I made other than that your claim of deconstructionalist thought being present in majority of feminist discourse? Tell me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 06:32 PM
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So. If I understand you correctly: women are by default unjustified in divorce because Men don't get the sex they want, starting at puberty Aristotle thought women were too empowered to occupy political positions of power HYPERGAMY AN EVOLUTIONARY FACT NO FURTHER QUESTIONS!!!!! Game theory?? Hypergamy again, we have twice as many female ancestors. Again, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS!! You might be speaking the truth, but you will have hard time enlightening others with that big brain of yours with your …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 06:20 PM
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Provides detailed commentaries by professionals in their field, with links to relevant articles... I wouldn't provide a leftie youtube video of someone analysing something, even if they were experts on the field. And I wouldn't find it surprising if right-wing opponents found that approach laughable. Just cite the exact phrases you find problematic in the APA guidelines. Only the latter provided a link to APA's guidelines, because I do not trust in my abilities to get the complete refutations of…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 05:55 PM
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Oh, I did that. But the burden of proof lies on the one who makes the claim, no? Or do we just want to turn this sub into a manosphere circlejerk?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 05:06 PM
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Do I need to now prove that water is wet or the sky is blue? No. But there is still no quantifiable evidence to prove your very brazen painting. Youtube commentators, even when your examples are respectable for me, don't count as objective evidence in the same way we can see that the sky is blue. Thankfully the latter chose to include the original document, but why not just cite that one? If it's that clear it should be enough, no? If not, maybe it's not as evident as one has assumed it is. Cita…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 02:05 PM
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I'm not against the ideas and critiques that Warren Farrell in essence, what I have a problem with is attributing the shortcomings of unbalanced, gendered parenting on postmodern social 'constructionists' (do you mean deconstructionists? Or the theory of gendered structures?), somehow including all of feminism, gender deconstruction, socialism which somehow also all by virtue somehow are identity politics. If we criticize the demasculinization of boys, it is not of any help to try to take down a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 12:54 PM
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I will asume then, to the light of facts, that women are incapable or don't know how to mantain a healthy relationship, becouse how can you get married just to get divorced later? Nope. That would still be speculation. Facts don't work that way. There would have to be a scientifically valid factual framework to come to that conclusion. This is the case even if a speculation would be to the benefit of the strawman proponent of ''men are always in the wrong''. They are plain stupid for not being a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 12:02 PM
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I doubt your idea of ''pretty much every''. That is a arbitrary conclusion you make based on uncharitable interpretations. All feminists aren't deconstructionist or even friendly to adjacent postmodern ideals. Are we talking about academic conferences? On what topic and in what field? What are the the theoretical frameworks? If it's in the humanities, are we talking about continental or analytic philosophical theories?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 11:30 AM
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My instant turn off is unrefined taste. It sounds very bullshitty, but I boil it down to being a hopeless snob. I can't get behind printed shirts and wearing shorts to an upscale lunch in the city centre. I have a big weak spot for ginger and dark-haired men. Bonus points if they also have curly hair and well-picked glasses. As a Jewish woman myself I also have a huge preference for other Jewish men. Blame my Eastern European/Ashkenazi incest genes lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 12:04 AM
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I'm skinny/in shape and slightly above average height, around 172 cm. As long as he's in shape I prefer someone around my height or even a bit shorter. Tall men that are out of shape is a bigger turn off for me than men that aren't tall. Two out of three of my exes were my height, with my recent ex being 2 cm shorter on his passport. The only one taller than me was a woman, ironically. I personally have a guilty pleasure that consists of shoes, and I don't think I would've been as enthusiastic t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 11:44 PM
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The most insane part of the post-modern social constructionists dogma is the idea that men would be better men if they were less like men and more like women. I'm a run-of-the-mill poststructuralist and that's not at all the consensus on what deconstruction tells us we ought to do at all. Progressive reductionism of deconstructive theory is another bit, but I don't think I've ever seen someone get far on making such bold conclusions like saying that men should strive to embrace feminine values.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 11:10 PM
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Men tolerate far more shit from women simply because women have sexual leverage over them. Like come on, you know this already. ​ And we all know that men tolerate more shit than the reverse, so what is the point of you writing this. Unless there is solid evidence and data about divorce filings it's not something we can reason without a shadow of a doubt. You can't just proclaim that something is common knowledge in lieu of backing your arguments with data. Until you do that, your claims remain …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 11:04 PM
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Link to the data you've claimed would've been nice. You seem very sure of your claims and counterarguments so I assume you're well-read enough to have some references at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 10:41 PM
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Well the man is dead so unless you want to dig him up, any interpretation is as valid as the other. Thankfully, he wrote texts that survived his flesh. Texts that his Nazi sistter famously tried to censor to impress her new Nazi boyfriend, which is why we know that many interpretations are complete bullshit that his colleagues were able to correct. That's relativism for you don't you people love relativism. I'm quite the opposite, which should be rather apparent. Skedaddle and read some Ayn Rand…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 07:33 PM
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I live in a Scandinavian capital. Unless your work in a new field every 2 years, you'll never get anywhere if no one likes you. Unless you work something solitary, criminal or otherwise friendly to antisocial behavior. Besides, have you even read Nietzsche? He would be rolling in his grave over your adolescent pseudo-nihilistic interpretation of master-slave-mortality. Read some entry level Thus Spoke Zarathustra. I presume you only speak English? Make sure to pick a respected translation, at le…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 05:41 PM
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It's a common misunderstanding of everyday cynicism that antisocial behaviour gets overlooked. People who don't act in accordance of societal morals do lose out, as other people remember betrayal more than loyalty, people lacking morals need to change environments in order to comfortable continue living. If you don't care, you don't care. Do what you do. It's hard to convince people that prefer shallow fun to suddenly change. That's why it's extra important for the rest of us to learn from one a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 09:46 AM
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Yes. Did I say anyone is excused for shitty and insincere behavior? There is no dichotomy between being a 'victim' of manipulation / being someone who partakes and/or 'victimizes' someone. If all I met was bad men, I'd not complain about it like a petulant child but maybe start considering whether it's because I'm a shitty person and woman. Unless I just want to be a miserable cunt just bitching about how men are all the same, I'd start wondering why I'm deluding myself into not realising that I…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 04:42 PM
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This is completely fair, I don't know why that seem controversial on here. It's not manipulation, it's just that incompatibility happens. Sometimes you take a wrong call. People might act transactional in the long run, but in the moment it's not as if we're sexual accountants. Bad return on investment might be a cheeky way to describe our cynical recollections of things. In the end though, people don't act as calculators when we are dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 12:46 PM
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Because ethics doesn't depend on pointing to other people and saying that they were bad first. Gesturing at perceived hypocrisy doesn't absolve people out of ethical integrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 12:38 PM
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If that's what you need to do in order to feel secure and vet potential dates, do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 12:36 PM
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I don't know if that's too sure. I have problems with getting an orgasm, have always. I've either never had one or had maybe at max a handful weak ones that weren't a climactic experience, didn't matter if it was masturbating or if it was with a sexually compatible SO. I've still considered my sex life with men I loved as great and giving. In the same vein, I've had a FWB when I was single at one point and it felt worth it. Sorry if this is anecdotal and vulgar, but I feel like it's interesting …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 10:33 AM
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Women can’t “use” men for sex Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 10:23 AM
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A damaged reputation is a downside, isn't it? Or do people not experience/observe that assholes can get a bad reputation from insincere or manipulative acts? I try to vet potential dates similarly to how I would vet a potential employer. You don't want to job for a company that has high employee turnover. Likewise, it's a good idea to avoid dating people that only has bad or ''crazy'' exes and ex-flings.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 10:20 AM
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From all I can observe, all political schisms feel this way. Depends on context. On swedish reddit subs I'm often railroaded as a progressive even though I like to thing I try my best to not be abrasive. But it's pointless to spin a narrative about that, because at that point it just becomes a pointing game. In Poland, off internet, I experience the same things – but experience more sympathy when speaking with other Poles or diaspora-Poles on the internet. Saying that one's own political values …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 02:14 PM
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Yes, that's something I think is just as, if not for me moreso, interesting to look at as it is to understand the skewed ratio. It's also something that does benefit from being examined by people that are competent in relevant academic fields. That article you linked is also very interesting! I'm gonna add it to my work-in-progress document with different studies. It would be very interesting to look at the sample size there, were people of diverse backgrounds or was it more homogenic? The artic…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 08:15 PM
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But for this experience to be of any relevance it's rather important to prove that promiscuous women systematically stigmatize men that choose to not date them due to their sexual history. Otherwise we'll just end up arguing based on our anecdotal experiences that oppose the other. Case in point: Among me and my sexually degenerate friends, that attitude is not something I've heard personally. We tend to keep to our 'own'.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 07:36 PM
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Of course. My point was however that such analogy doesn't justify throwing away causal relations and prescribing the notion that promiscuous women by principle are potential cheaters. Considering no one is forcing men to date promiscuous women, does this disqualify the point and question OP was stating?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 07:05 PM
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We're on the same page, I think. I do think we all might have a higher-quality conversation (not saying that this one isn't, I appreciated your answer!) if we speak on more concrete and specific terms. I think it's important to actually speak about the negative self image that stems from not fulfilling the beauty standard of being a tall man and what role as women we play in upholding such standards. but the fact still remain that women are more picky (the reason why they are is not relevant) Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 06:59 PM
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What we're doing here is answering a fallacy with yet another one. Do we really think that women's complaints about dating is solely because they want commitment from a perfect alpha above their league?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 06:31 PM
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I don't perceive dating as equally difficult. Online dating if I had the same goals as a man would undeniably mean that I have it easier. My sister comrades might insist it isn't easier for them, and I would be inclined to convince them that they're wrong if it wasn't for the fact that I think this comparison game is pointless for all involved. But I don't have the same goals, which is the reason online dating is pointless for me. So I can only I'm beyond a doubt is different for me as a woman. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 06:25 PM
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They sure did. Wonder if they would've cited overpopulation as a cause for our global problems in the same breath as they would've tried to also blame family planning for the downfall of society. Thankfully we're beyond that! /s
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 06:08 PM
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I think material factors are what influence it. As women, it's relatively recent that our gender isn't the biggest determining factor in what avenues we can take to lead a satisfactory life. In the end, that's what everyone wants. Now that marriage and being a good companion to men isn't the only avenue to plausibly lead a content life, women have drastically different expectations while men are left in the dark. I could use China as an analogy – where men are currently facing the backlash of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 05:48 PM
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Just don't be suprised if the same logic is extended towards you. Radfems use that analogy to justify their hatred and avoidance of men. Instead of viewing men as potential victims of violent culture, they ascribe the violence and abuse as an essential part of being born a male. But obviously OP is in a LTR, she is not complaining that there is that statistical data but the dogmatic devotion there is to that particular study. Also: Correlation does not prove causation. There is no problem in avo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 04:35 PM
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Is there a peer-reviewed meta-analysis of that? I don’t dispute those studies, I’m just of the opinion that as amateurs we don’t have the knowledge to conclude or disprove the picture OP is painting. Being too confident to interpret data is something we’re all guilty of, but we need to do better if we intend to do anything other than complaining and speculating
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 02:24 PM
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Are there any evidence in this CMV to begin with? If the OP is based on experiences along with a few pointers in case, it's obvious that it's not irrelevant to counter the conversation with one's own experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 12:13 PM
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A few questions. Is this something that is possible to measure? Otherwise we're all just speculating left and right (double entendre intended) based on what we feel the expectations are. If anyone has some links to peer-reviewed data analyses? Is it worth measuring? I think so personally, because I believe it can give better insight into gender dynamics. What do we do about it, practically and plausibly? In my opinion, the solution to somehow enforce women to lower their standards is rather impl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 12:05 PM
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Honestly, this is good advice even if translated to women. At a point, we have to ask ourselves if we want to sit still and moan about life being unfair or if we want to do something with a higher success rate of keeping suicidal ideation away. You don't need to win though, but maybe it's necessary for men in order to not be beacons of ressentiment. Whatever keeps you from marinating in ressentiment is usually an indicator of it being right for you. I always recommend my girlfriends to build a d…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 08:29 AM
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This is such good, if advanced, advice. I'm looking forward to pulling off a longer ascetic period in my life, I have only do so for short amounts of time prior to today. But living with discipline and intent always is worth it. Saving your comment – thanks about the modem tip, it's genius I can also recommend trying out different types of fasting (like IF) for those that are capable of doing that. Picking up some philosophy (philosophy classics though, fluffed out self-help doesn't do anything …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 08:12 AM
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I don’t see any women even mentioning those creative neologisms, so it’s hard to water down when you don’t care about manosphere terminology lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 10:05 AM
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Thing is, look-based discrimination can be hard to abolish right off the bat. I come to think about Contrapoints vid on beauty – and my stance is there generally. I’ve tried to discipline myself in terms of having a realistic and relevant feminism, so I’m with you. I could go as far as to say that my feminism is secondary to my other political beliefs, as pop feminism is the most lukewarm movement there could be as of today. As for your last point, I think you completely misunderstand me. I’d lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 08:14 AM
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I don't really say that my sapphic (thank you!) feminism should be feminism. I wish it was but it will never be that. Any pop version of any ideology will end up washed clean of any honesty in the end – this goes for feminism, the honest and non-hateful incels as well as red pillers that aren't Roosh V or Davis Aurini. For anyone who ever subscribes to a somewhat reputable newspaper during weekday and reads it, this is an universal obvious truth. Doesn't take a big brain to have a lukewarm conse…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 02:02 AM
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But knocking women down a few a pegs/from their pedestal might be a harder task than giving men their share of positivity. Why not utilise the potency of the current opiate of the masses – positivity? I’m a cynical cunt myself but with my attitude it would be hard to accomplish anything without compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 05:12 PM
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What I get from your post is that you're asking me if I'm on board with the idea that men who do not fit in what is called a 'masculine' gender role do so at the price of not being seen as equally desirable to men. Am I reading you correctly? Feel free to correct me if you feel like I'm misrepresenting here! My personal stance is that I agree with you. I could anecdotally also say something about my own dating experiences, because I personally date and prefer what is caricatured as the 'soyboy' …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 03:25 PM
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I mean, I've only ever been the bullied part in my childhood/adolescent settings. As for your first sentence – that's precisely what I'm trying to do. Ethics are a key component of my identity, but that does not matter – my point was that not being a piece of shit maybe isn't enough if the injustice at hand is a structural one. As for your last point, your response is well constructed – but try and not presume that your opponent is a bad one. It's irrelevant, and it does make it sound as if you …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 02:26 PM
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You in fact have a point, even from the most blue-tinted glasses I can think of. Women's orgasm is very different from the male ones; we're usually more likely to be able to have several orgasms of different intensity and to have a more ebb and flow-y type of desire. I've heard the same from MtF trans women that have taken estrogen and have experienced a shift in how they experience arousal and how orgasm doesn't really ''end'' the intercourse for them anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 02:16 PM
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Around half attempts were successful, but none of them resulted in anything other than a few dates. Those are me approaching men I barely know, usually giving my phone number out if there seems to be a mutual interest. I'm pretty outgoing, so it's also hard to discern what was me asking someone out or me hitting it off with someone without an conscious intent to hit on someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 01:11 PM
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It's kind of a thing in certain circles. Usually not in more conservative or traditional settings, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 01:06 PM
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How do we do that? I avoid the term ''real [insert gender]'' because it's usage is more or less arbitrary. It's more or less just a praising term based on how well you do in the assigned gender role. It's not only a toxic way of speaking about that, but it' also completely boring. That being said, you're right that men's gender roles haven't been as quick in adopting a more inclusive image. As I woman, I don't think it's my place to dictate what a better and more productive manhood can look like…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 01:03 PM
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That’s why emotional intelligence – in lack of a better word – is key to dating and communication. No one should force anyone to do anything outside of their boundaries, but it’s also a part of being a good person and dating to look out for signs of discomfort or incompatible expectations. If there is no chemistry at the first date, there won’t be a second. The second date is where I try to make sure that I trust someone enough. If a guy is showing signs of discomfort or hurt, communicating abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 09:03 AM
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I get that, but your example presupposes malice and an unequal power balance. I wouldn’t lead someone on or tease if I didn’t feel like there was a two-way playfulness and passion involved. Your last sentence sounds like a great boundary to have!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 07:46 PM
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Sorry, I think I misunderstood you. But as for your statement, I can’t really give my two cents because I have no experience. Feel free to explain what you mean though
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 05:09 PM
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How so? Emotional trauma shouldn’t be a effect of consensual sex between two adults, but maybe you’re saying that as a hyperbole. I’m all ears. My ex-partners haven’t given any inkling of emotional distress. But they also had the same approach and similar values to mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 05:08 PM
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In my experience, men don't respect you if you give up the goodies too quick. For some men, I strongly think this can just be subconscious. Also, having sex after a lustful courting period is very much worth it. It's similar to how passionate sex becomes after having been separated from your SO for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 04:07 PM
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To give further context, I think it went well because we as a country are almost by broad consensus pro-choice. Family planning is the norm and sexual health is far less taboo if compared to even other European countries. You seem to have a different situation in the U.S. though. It won't be possible to advocate for legal abortion if access to abortion and pregnancy healthcare is inconsistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 03:11 PM
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Swede here! The proposition from the Liberal Youth Party didn't result in lynching of teenage boys. From my perspective, and I'm involved in politics directly opposing their ideas, I actually learned and respected the policy idea from that proposal by them. I got the impression there was a productive discussion following as well. No one lost their job, and I vaguely know the guys and gals that initiated that discussion. They're still high up in their organisation and I see them out and about whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 03:03 PM
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I'm kind of afraid it's going downhill. I'm tired of always unintentionally offending people even when being deliberately careful with my words. Makes me sad as this is one of the few casual debate subs out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 07:24 AM
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I know, it's so irresponsible of me!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 03:12 PM
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Sounds great! I’ll make sure to give it a look
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 01:01 PM
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Found this sub by lurking old threads. Sad to hear that it has gone downhill because I was excited to start posting here. Then I got called a feminist Nazi for giving a heads up about some nuances and controversies of a study that argues in favor of both of out arguments?? Thankfully mods called it out, but I'm not jealous of the work they have to do daily on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 09:35 AM
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I mean, men do it a shit ton too. And I'm just as sceptical. It just seems like a get out of jail free card you can have to seem more interesting. To top it off, there is nothing worse than a chronic expat/backpacker that still only knows one language. Give me a travel inexperienced polyglot instead, it certainly guarantees a more well-rounded person.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 09:16 AM
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It’s impossible to know about their motivation without doing a large-scale data analysis of their motivations, no? I am promiscious and I’m always honest when I disclose those things. On a first date I prefer to more so ask about/find out if the guy values chastity very high though, so if that happens to be the case I stop pursuing and communicate that I’m probably not the woman they’re seeking. Makes it less messy and juvenile. Having the same mindset about sex is IMO one of the biggest factors…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 08:16 AM
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Yes. But of course it involves money. Anything does. I live in a country that doesn’t have an opioid crisis – and I think it’s partly due to understanding that sedatives should be used as a last resort after antidepressants, therapy and lifestyle changes not working. Then you only get it in controlled prescriptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 03:33 PM
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No one takes Prozac as a party drug though lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 03:12 PM
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Bless your heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 08:49 AM
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Impressive how you've managed to reveal my whole ethos from a few words.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 08:31 AM
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What is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 07:28 AM
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Only if they wish to solely date women that are as unstable as they are. I've noped out of men when they're unstable and refuse to take accountability for themselves. Instant manchild alert. Edit: Corrected myself not understanding a double negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 07:26 AM
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Well they combat depression don't they? Are you saying happiness isn't a high? First off yes, secondly no. Antidepressants don't really make you happy. They make your depression more muted and make you more likely to gather the will to get better. A ideal medication is one that plays well with parallel treatments and measures. Or are we saying women want to be snowflakes and worship mental disorders and will be given any pill just by whining about it to be cool? Who says that? Next, people that …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 07:24 AM
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Sorry, but are you of the impression that antidepressants give people a high?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 07:08 AM
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And a lot more men desperately need to meet a psychiatrist, yet refuse to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 07:04 AM
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This exactly. It's far more constructive to view the people you attract as a mirror than it is to complain about others until they magically change.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 07:01 AM
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I don't think they care – RP seems to be a bit of a mixed bag. One will also never convince them that they're doing something wrong, so I tend to not engage in that discussion. I do however have a hypothesis that insecure and mentally unstable RP guys go for mentally unstable women because like attracts like. But it's also why we need to encourage and mentor our sisters that have problems with their psyche. Hold them accountable, with harsh love and support, when they allow themselves to barter …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 06:51 AM
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I stop seeking contact and attention if I can't sense reciprocated interest. It feels disrespectful to the guy and myself to continue pursuing. It's a different thing when it's done in a relationship. Thankfully I was in therapy during my first breakup so I made sure to not make things any more dramatic than they need to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/20 03:57 PM
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On a biological level? No. They are socialised to be more individualistic in most Western cultures, as well as non-western cultures but I'm not educated on them enough, though. Important to note, though, is that socialisation often is misunderstood as something tied to the rational and mature ideas that permeate society. It's not only that. It's not a social phenomenon people agree to follow once capable of reason – but prior to that, as children, we grow into language and we grow to interpret a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 03:51 PM
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Yeah, sorry! I directly translated a term that I forgot meant something else in English. Kind of thought of the colloquial use of ''indicator'' as in worth to look into further with a more controlled approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 01:57 PM
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I'm personally not completely disregarding that concept as a rather generalized hypothesis, but basing the hypergamous hypothesis solely on online dating behaviour is plainly reductive. It's not meaningless, but presenting it as evidence that withstands scientific fervour and methodolgy is silly. However, to be in completely good faith, the rational proponents here on PPD seem to treat it as a indicator and not a rule. There are complexities to discuss here. One question might be as to why men f…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 01:31 PM
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Morals? Maybe? The innate will to not be a social outcast?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 09:32 AM
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Discounting my homosexual close friends, I still have friendships of men that I trust and am certain are platonic. The caveat it that they're the long term partners of my long-time female friends. Having long-term couples as friends (I have two, one is married and the other couple is engaged) is kind of like having 2 friends in one which is such a beautiful thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 09:31 AM
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I'm not against it in it's idea. I'm also not completely sold. Problem is, I think such a thing is gonna be hard to get support for from several political conclaves. For argument's sake, I'm gonna try to leave out my own political left-leaning stances as much as I can. Let me list a few hypothetical problems that could arise, with reservation that I'm not from the US and don't know how the government works in that country: What is the demographic that might overlook any kinks to work out and see…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 09:26 AM
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Alright. Sorry for presenting your views as more drastic than they are. Do I get you correct if your view on the situation is the sexual commodiality of women is an advantage to women that we as critics of male thirst don't take as substantial enough? It's good that you're not a biology reductionist however, biology influences a lot of things but you do your argument well through not falling into the trap of the naturalistic fallacy. But if I suspend my own differing view on this issue and try t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 09:06 PM
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Why are you so sure that you know best what would happen in that hypothetical situation? Do you have a document full of citations or esteemed philosophical works I've missed or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 08:35 PM
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Our guy Nikola? Our beloved simp king? Haven't heard that name in years...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 08:34 PM
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Do you think women are worse at everything because of biology or because we traditionally haven't had to struggle as much to invent and pioneer new technologies?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 08:29 PM
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No. It's important for me to act according to my values and practice sisterhood by respecting relationships and other women enough to not hit on taken men. Of course it can be a bummer to hit it off with someone who turns out to be taken, but pursuing anyway is something I would find morally repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 03:34 PM
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Hey! Now I feel insulted because I'm a Bartending Becky. :'( Jokes aside, your last points are the points from MGTOW and the manosphere I can respect as a bluepiller. I think men can benefit, and more plausibly attain, from discouraging other men from devaluing themselves through allowing themselves to display desperation, over-investing too early on or even investing monetarily in parasocial relationship with women on the internet. I'm a cynical feminist, so I respect manosphere-advice in that …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 11:40 AM
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Yes, I remember that study, and I often like to link to it when explaining why women don't read sexualising behaviour from men as flattering. I agree on every point you say, and it is important to deepen the perspective as to why women don't enjoy sexualization as a form of flattery. Just a heads up however, the study that you refer to, the sexualized-body-inversion hypothesis (SBIH), is a study that whose (otherwise credible) hypothesis is in limbo in academic contexts right now, due to the fac…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 11:03 AM
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It would be nice to build a debate culture that doesn't reward people losing their temper or insulting, which I'm probably as guilty of as anyone here. I've long suspected that I have a tendency to either unconsciously or unintentionally insult people I debate with on here. Which is why it would be nice to be held accountable and have my tone called out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 09:08 AM
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Ever since there was a weird porn bot invasion on social medias, I don't read message requests at all. I only skim them through when I inevitably can't longer avoid them and I'm deleting them all. But if you follow someone, get a follow back, it can be a nice way of flirting with someone. It has more of a playing zone than dating apps. On Tinder, there is a unequal ratio of seeking men vs women, which makes even average women more picky as you get far more matches and probably won't talk to five…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 08:58 AM
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Let me maybe take a different approach here, not criticising your conclusion or reasoning. For the question's sake, let's assume you're mostly right. Women barely need any effort at all to be viewed as valuable to men, while men require mass amounts of privilege and effort to be viewed as attractive. Now, for everyone that doesn't fit the description of the Stacy and undesirable men according to Stacy, what is the goal and what is the plan of action in practice? What is the more plausible ideal …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 08:45 AM
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I do not consider men's thirst as an advantage. Firstly due to me having a lifestyle that doesn't reward inappropriate amounts of skin visible. As a second more important reason in the end: I hate how it taints everyday relations between men and women. For me, it has meant that I have a general distrust of men I encounter, even more so if there is inappropriate sexualization from their end. While I work on this myself and teach myself how I can avert those situations, this reason makes me think …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 08:22 AM
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I think this question is good in intention but is wrongly formulated in the sense that it’s hard to honestly answer for any part involved. I can say I try my best to act in good faith towards red-pillers and incels on here, and sometimes I get that sentiment reciprocated. In this sense, I find value in both sides. But I would love a conversation on how we in this forum can refine our underdeveloped sense of good-faith debate. Too often I see that it gets blocked by both sides with railroading, d…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 11:33 AM
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Is not having sex at least once a month an incel thing? Its such a weirdly drawn line. I’m a periodically promiscuous (by the standard of this sub, not in my culture though) single woman and a month is literally nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 10:29 AM
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Maybe I’m just a dumb woman but I just do not get any of your responses so I thought I was missions something
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 11:48 AM
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You’re still not making a coherent point
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 07:27 PM
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Your question was why blue pillers answer here during the night, no? I answered why. What is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 09:46 AM
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Some of us live across the pond! It's late morning here:)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 08:30 AM
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It has happened previously – I went on a blind date with my ex and he was not my type at all at first sight due to him being dressed rather ''preppy'', I was 20 and he was 24 but balding so I thought he was older than he was. After a short while I was attracted to him, we had great chemistry and were interested in the same areas of continental philosophy. We are on good terms today, and it was my first long term-relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 08:18 AM
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Haven't heard but that's hilarious. Certainly gonna work that into my deadpan vernacular. It's so fantastically dramatic. I love it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 08:11 AM
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How classy of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 07:11 AM
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This is a really good way of putting it. Being a unknown man's object of desire often translates to me as them not respecting my personhood. I feel distrust towards men's intentions when they signal attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 07:09 AM
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Excessive exposure and the fear of them being one of the bad ones. I know many men on the red pill or incel side disbelieve this, but if your first experiences with cat-calling and harassment comes from middle-aged men when you're a visibly young and uncomfortable pre-teen. That experience becomes the framing for how you perceive male thirst later on. It's also worth noting that the word ''disgust'' here is particularly interesting – men can often observe this as a reaction, but many of us have …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 06:57 AM
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I'm a gal!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 06:25 AM
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I don't think it's a primary reason. It's one of the primary reasons, and mayhaps a driving factor in the historical development of the societal role of men. But today – it is not the primary reason for the problems of unhinged male thirst. And even if that is the case - it's not a good enough explanations that absolves personal accountability for men that act in testosterone-fueled lapses of judgement. What we assume as natural and instinctual isn't inherently virtuous by those exact qualities …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 06:23 AM
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I feel very relaxed in my vulnerability, which makes the thought of post nut clarity terrifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 06:03 AM
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I'd recommend not being so quick to shower a woman with compliments if she is a romantic/sexual interest. It comes off as insincere and throws the power balance out of the window, everytime I see it being done. Or do your words make zero difference and it comes down to looks/status/money? Words matter a lot. Compliments can matter as well, but if you shower someone with compliments early on without knowing them – you're more or less devaluing your words to not mean anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 05:54 AM
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I only identify as blue pill because I find RP a bit ridiculous and a fringe subculture for men that want to fuck more. I'm blue pill because I have a fundamentally differing worldview and problem description that RP-ers do. I do feel for them, but if I'd encounter one in my personal life I'd avoid them like wildfire. I also think a lot of men with patchological amounts of male thirst seem to think it's sustainable to complain and await women changing their dating patterns instead of navigating …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 05:37 PM
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You two seem to have a sense of humour, a lot of the people answering you seem to think they know your wife better than you do. Sorry for all of the pearl-clutchers that project their feelings of insecurity on to you and your wife. Cheers!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 05:02 PM
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Almost. Maybe? I moreso have slightly condescending feelings towards that, but that's because I hate the idea of having to beg for drinks or barter my sexuality for such trivial things as a drink. Predatory? Depends on context; if it's a young woman on a date with an older man with a power trip it's more oppournitistic than predatory, and if it's a adult titty streamer that through parasocial relations pressure young and easily-impressed boys to give away their weekly allowance, then we can spea…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 04:48 PM
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I’m not drying that, but I’m trying to make a case that being creeped out by socially inept people is a intuitive and valid reaction, men that claim that they never would do that are either inexperienced or disinterested in being a good person that takes accountability for their social ineptitude. I’m basing my phrasing on personal anecdotes, so that’s why I sound like I’m presenting anecdotes as a structurally reified behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 09:52 AM
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What is then? People that react badly to someone exhibiting social ineptitude? What is the right description of the problem we might be able to agree on?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 09:47 AM
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Thats a strawman and you know it. The fact that attracurve people are handed less harshly is not an excuse for social ineptitude in ugly people. The problem is that we are not harsh enough towards good looking people, not that people get creeped out by people who don’t even make an attempt at being more socially competent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 09:44 AM
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You're all caught up in that wording. Why? I was actually thinking of a woman when I wrote that example – my wording was gender neutral so that kill the cheerleader-men on here could relate to having seen a a good looking girl demolish her reputation through acting like an inbred hillbilly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 08:37 PM
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Jesus fucking crist you people. I was actually intentionally trying to be gender-neutral in order to ask guys on here if they haven't experienced it – because I'm honestly sure many guys here have experienced such if they're old enough to graduate secondary school. I was thinking specifically of the female counterpart of that hypothetical.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 08:26 PM
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What isn't real? By what metric, and by what standards do we conclude that subtle red flags that people perceive likely are wrong? The world is often more safe than we think, but does that mean that people should ignore feelings of vulnerability to find out for sure?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 07:12 PM
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It's not being physchic, but moreso to recognize body language, social cues and when people seem to be indifferent towards causing someone discomfort. Day-to-day interactions aren't fueled by scientific fervour.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 06:46 PM
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Alright. You seem to have read a lot more into this. Good for you, especially since English is my third language. Wouldn't brag like this usually, but since I felt a bit of tension there in your last sentence. I used the phrase big ole mess as a way to lighten up the topic of someone completely thrashing their reputation and chances of being well-liked by others. I won't call a friends +1 a criminal right off the bat, but I will ask her to subdue him or I call them a cab to get away from my part…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 06:35 PM
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Everyone can be. Young and attractive people get awarded with the benefit of the doubt more easily though, but it's not foolproof. The halo effect only goes so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 05:37 PM
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Havent you ever met someone you find attractive that is acting like a big ole mess? I've seen people drive down their attractiveness massively in just a few minutes with people audibly going ''yikes''. Maybe depends on social cirlces, if you're outgoing or not, and age as well. Someone desperate will overlook someone being tragically bad at speaking and charming people. Also, it's important to not underestimate what constitutes ''good social skills'' – some people on here put the threshold for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 05:35 PM
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I've been a ''slut'' by most RP/incel/manosphere standards, but I don't mind it from men as long as it's not a problem for them and they're mature about their experiences. I don't care for sex a whole lot – I like having it of course, but my life doesn't revolve around it. If I met a compatible guy I liked that liked me as well, I don't mind if he slept around a lot during his backpacker adventures. For me, it's not the final factor in determining whether someone is worthy of trust.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 07:34 PM
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I think FDS likes her actually? I find her very likeable in a way. Don't know much about her beyond her viral shenanigans but she seems like the type of girl I'd love to be friends with, she seems to have a really fun sense of humour etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 07:23 PM
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It's not like beta/alpha is an scientifically based concept. It's pretty arbitrary, and there isn't a way to disprove the RP idea that a woman liking a ''beta'' is a manipulative, settling femoid behavior – because disproving a negative is not really possible. But let's say a woman is attracted – is she an outlier femmedom fetischist, insincere, attracted out of pure desperation or mislabeling the male as beta as the character seems very arbitrary? I can't really speak for myself and have my wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 07:20 PM
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I don't see the lack of commitment as a structurally based injustice – if men don't want to commit to me, there might be something wrong with myself. It's the common denominator. When forums like FDS complain about a lack of commitment, the advice is more or less for women to not devalue herself through being desperate and too quick to commit. Being mad at men not wanting to commit just sounds like a dead-end to me. It's as much of a dead-end as men complaining that women don't want to sleep wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 07:38 AM
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I'm a FDS-sympathetic because I find the advice of not being desperate or over-investing too early good in general. It's not my thing for cultural reasons, because the not splitting the bill not dating older men doesn't work for me specifically. It really depends on your lifestyle and culture, and what type of older men we're talking. I avoid the rich man with tons of baggage-type, and it's more men in their mid 30's and in the same professional field as me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 11:32 AM
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Also, there's also a point where us women learn to recognize when we're being played by a hypothetical ''chad'' – it's kind of why the term ''fuckboy'' exists. I want commitment, which makes us more cynical slightly above average women wary of men that have the looks that could get a model type of girl. I likewise have realised on here that there is an enormous difference in between different cultures, between metropolitan areas and more rural areas, etc. Also within subcultures. When I used to …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 11:14 AM
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So it's just one example of a study being wrongly referenced without citation? Haven't even heard of that one, and I'm a hardcore bluepiller.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 03:54 PM
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I actually always post links – difference is, the men stop responding after I do. You're just biased and only notice intellectual dishonesty in your opposites, while ignoring the same from your peers. For all intents and purposes, I don't find it too far off to assume that such intellectual laziness exist in most groups in more or less equal amounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 03:52 PM
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Saying this and giving the advice as a fellow over-sharer. Learn to say a bit less – sometimes being very upfront sabotages you because it's not the time and place. Same thing about goes for any emotional baggage. Honesty is a virtue, but so is integrity. Many of us aren't that secretive or dramatic, so it might feel weird to not say something that might be dealbreaker later on – you're being upfront, right? Why isn't it seen as virtuous? But then I saw others having that approach and understood…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 03:47 PM
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I don't think it's needed – the only upside I can imagine is that it might be a way for us non-Americans to disclose that in order to reserve that we might not get some cultural differences without sounding braggy. It's that whole (justified) redditcirclejerk thing, but I feel it's easier to rely on people having good faith than having a disclosing flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 10:12 AM
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So your argument, through the internet, is that women who think they are in good and mutually fulfilling relationships are as per principle wrong based on your specific anecdotal experiences and feelings? Do you think it's equally stubborn to mention having a healthy adult relationship as it is ot just go ''lol, no'' because your feelings on the matter don't match with someone else potentially having happiness?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 08:58 AM
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Good luck then. Bless your heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 08:45 AM
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I mean, I'd probably not date someone who I knew had bought sex. I however won't go out of my way to visibly disapprove of a person who did that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 08:43 AM
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The problem with your question is that you assume a stance someone who criticizes age gaps, kind of like a appeal to hypocrisy. Thing is, most of us probably view an age gap as a somewhat effective indicator of a experience imbalance/power imbalance. Power imbalances that are toxic can be due to many things. Occupational differences, status differences, age, experience, language proficiency etc. It's a complex and non-deterministic type of assessment of what has the chance to be a healthy and ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 08:39 AM
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If women are that way in your perception of the world, maybe it's in your best interest to stay away from us in every single aspect. Maybe you already do that – if so, good. Next step for you is to try and transform your intensive feelings of resentment into indifference – just a friendly recommendation. It will raise your quality of life, I promise.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 08:31 AM
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Because someone dressing tastefully is the best superficial indicator of compatibility? For me, bad taste (which is to a degree subjective depending on your circles and lifestyle) is a dealbreaker for me. And your view of us leftists is such an ridiculous strawman, but you should prob know that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 12:51 PM
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And the alternatives are free of generalisations, archetypes and presenting anecdotal experiences as axiomatic truths of attraction? Because I’m pretty sure I see it in my communities the same amount I do from the manosphere
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 12:45 PM
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That struck a nerve, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 04:11 PM
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Facial hair is more controversial among women, especially compared to height. I know women that like men with or without, some of them depending on whether it suits someone and others just have very rigid preferences about men having beards. I get your desire for perfection, and I think it actually can be a good self-improvement motivator for many of us. But yes, sometimes you just can't hit the jackpot on all aspects – and it's good to kind of realise the parts you really can't change. It can t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 03:46 PM
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I think it can best be summed up as cooperation? It's important to me to feel like I'm being held to a high standard and that I know that we both care about communicating well and consistently putting effort in making each other happy, solving conflicts and support each other. Having mutual outings and good quality time. It has happened quite naturally once dating turns into a relationship for me, though. I think it's kind of why I mainly seek out men in a similiar field of work and social circl…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 08:09 AM
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Not really. I can have distance to it because I just feel like it doesn't ring true. I don't need to prove it really – and sometimes some red pillers on here just seem to get a particularly jagged way of phrasing things because of an unfulfilled need to vent. I'm here as a kind of mild provocation-entertainment, learning to not take the bait when I'm met with bad faith arguments or get accused of ridiculously specific descriptions of my hypothetical moral shortcomings. What I have learned here i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 07:32 AM
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Designer fragrances, I like the Tom Ford private collection! I can't really wear them because they don't suit so I made sure to give the small bottle of Oud Wood as a birthday gift to my ex-boyfriend :) For myself, my favs are very musky and artisianally ''sweet'' frangraces. Not the cheap perfume sweet, but more around the Byredo-typical musky sweetnees they often have as a base. When I feel extra risky I'll wear something from Etat libre d'Oranges – a more affordable niche-ish brand I can reco…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 10:12 AM
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Yeah. I always guide my (gasp) feminism and check it being intellectually honest through making note of feminist ideas that would diminish my advantages as a woman – I think many people who value integrity in their political ideas, no matter the ideology, tend to do that. If my attractiveness is overinflated – fine, I'll just have to try harder at refining my looks. Seems fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 08:35 AM
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I have tons of energy. I have several hobbies, a career within the field I love and I try to keep busy (which is harder due to COVID now, but that's a temp). I still wanna have children relatively early, it might mean that I take some time off work, but I live in a country with good parental leave – where I can as a women spend the time that is needed for a good upbringing for my future infant, and my SO can take the rest of the parental leave to the benefit of the child. I guess that's the crux…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 08:28 AM
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Betabux sounds like the name of a new cryptocurrency scam
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 08:19 AM
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Fuck yes. It would be a change to adjust to, but it would be more peaceful. Being a frumpy teen (ugly fourteen-year old, real frumpy) and being harassed by middle-aged men on my way home from sports practice kinda made me more cynical and generally distrustful of men's intentions. Making women less of a commodity for men would be good in the long run. I think we would all be better at leaving people the fuck alone when needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/20 08:13 AM
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Secret sauce is the perfect word for it. Or maybe us female fragrance-obsessed are a weird niche in ourselves. I sniff too many men during my day if they smell nice. I'd sniff a homeless person if I got a whiff of something nice, like a musky refined oud scent lmao! Arab and indian scent shops are a great budget alternative/mid stop if you're saving up for a niche fragrance, usually a better alternative than a top 10 mainstream designer scent for most men!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 03:04 PM
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We never love. We're just oppournitistic lizard succubuses waiting to suck the youthfullness from young men. Haven't you heard? Jokes aside, what do red pillers on here view as ''love''? Honest question, because I'm actually willing to understand y'all beyond getting defensive by virtually non-proveable anecdotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 02:57 PM
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Nice to see other recommending niche fragrances! It can do so much for a man to wear the right type of fragrance. Scent is for most people the most unexplored sense, and so it quickly connects to the more sensual and 'emotional' (in lack of a better word) side of people. For people that are getting into/interested in niche scents, don't worry that many are labeled as unisex – if they have clearly masculine notes, they are masculine. Fragrantica is a good place to research if anyone is feeling wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 02:41 PM
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Same here – and I'm happy that you mentioned that some people find it easier to blame bad luck. It kind of makes sense. Refining your appearance takes a long time, lots of trial and errors and lots of effort. But it's worth it because once you get a small hang of it, it becomes second nature and a part of your daily rituals. People are often opposed to helpful advice on grooming because they feel that it's too easy, while it isn't really. My dad resisted counting calories for years because he fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 12:02 PM
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This one is actually a matter that I do feel bad for men in – because it's not as socially encouraged to test out styles and haircuts during your awkward teenage years if you're a male. Here I have a few ones that I have based on my male family and friends: Good teeth. There are OTC-treatments up to pricy dental work if needed. If you find a good dentist they're probably able to make veneers that are more natural-looking or can recommend better alternatives – like porcelain crowns that I've hear…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 11:36 AM
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I always get the idea that some people who feel unattractive and aren't too savvy about grooming and looking refined easily get overwhelmed when the proper advice is given. It's understandable, but it takes a lot of work beyond excercise and a good lifestyle if you're an average person to look good. As women (most of us, anyway) we have the advantage of being taught those things very early on so that they become natural and intuitive during adulthood, and it's a pity that some people get left ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 10:53 AM
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I think it depends on the culture and your social circles as well? I've always heard that a beard is good if it looks well kept and is flattering on the man. Some guys kinda force it as some Dan Bilzerian teenage fantasy, and that's the thing that might be less popular with women. It might be comparable to women with bangs? Bangs are bad idea unless you're that one percentile of women that look good with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 10:47 AM
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For some of us, it works if we are guilty of having a tendency to over-invest in new relationships – especially romantic ones, but it also applies to platonic ones sometimes. But then again – ''play hard to get'' is more like a codeword for ''don't answer a text from a guy if you're trying to fall asleep/working/studying''.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 03:49 PM
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This is so out of touch lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 10:13 AM
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I'm almost never ''myself''. I don't know what that is? Being comfortable with not putting effort in social interaction? If so, I try to never be ''myself'' out of respect for other people and myself. I don't believe in having a core identity or a true self, it feels like a weird myth of how humans work. But in terms of performing archetypes, it's more a side effect of trying to pander to certain sentiments and looks. Presenting yourself in a reductive way in order to put forward a certain air. …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/20 04:16 PM
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I'm naturally pretty height-apathetic but height-insecure men are so fucking passive agressive if you're a heel-wearing, fashion-loving gal. They neg you for being taller than them and when you don't want to go for a second date they cry about women being shallow cunts who hate short men.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy29/05/20 05:19 PM
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Here you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 04:47 PM
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Said could be said about comparing having problems with your appetite with the mental illness that is documented to be far more lethal than anxiety and depression. Get a grip.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 04:39 PM
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I have problems with twitching sO i jUsT DONT?? understand? WHY People with Tourettes just doNt control themselves and SIT Still? it's not that hard!! /s
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 04:30 PM
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Sure buddy. I almost died from it. What do you have? Diagnosed by a real doctor and not WebMD. You sound like those self-important self-diagnosed 'depressive' Tumblr teen.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 05:12 AM
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If I didn't mention a personal experience I'd be accused of being an obese ugly woman that doesn't know shit. I live in a country where we don't have this culture of men paying for everything, and I was raised to not accept such things because you can't trust strangers to not hold generosity as a vantage point to guilt people into doing things they don't want to. This principle applies outside of heterosexual dating as well, and I don't think it's that unique for many Western cities?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 05:35 PM
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I come from Sweden! I've lived in France and Poland for a shorter amount of time previously, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 05:13 PM
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So do I, though admittedly I've been homebound during this shitty time – which is why I reserved that my knowledge might be outdated. :) I do think there is a lack of understanding and acknowledgement of male victims of abuse, which is why I try to keep myself open for any new info on the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 04:58 PM
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A lot of these pranks and ''social experiments'' are for entertainment and consequently either scripted reality or fake. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, but we shouldn't accept any conclusions based on that – there is better data to indicate that women's abuse of men is underreported. I'll look into it though to update myself, I volunteer in a abuse victim's shelter every now and then so it's good to keep myself updated.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 04:39 PM
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YouTube for social experiments in public and you tell me I am wrong I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, so I'll look into data, but Youtube Social Experiments are a bad source of data, unless they follow a scientific method somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 04:16 PM
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I honestly think this Oppression Olympics debate over which sex has it worse is meaningless and silly. Men have their serious struggles because they're seen as replaceable and women face struggles due to being more vulnerable. This narrative that a pretty young woman lives in a debug mode and uses 'orbiting' guys like a true machiavellian is just another fantasy, similar to these fake golddigger pranks that were popular back a few years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 04:08 PM
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Non-psychopathic women don't enjoy that bullshit. Me and most women I know avoid befriending men for the reason that we often get treated like we owe nice guys sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 04:01 PM
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Is it? I haven't checked the reports in a while, but I'm pretty sure women still face violence and murder in dating contexts to a larger extent. If you have a citation that goes contrary I wouldn't mind reading and updating my knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 03:59 PM
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Does the higher frequency of male assault and murder victims make female victims of respective violence non-existent? Not sure I'm following the logic. Do skin cancer patients just disappear into thin air because statistically more people get breast cancer?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 03:49 PM
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Also: the deadliest mental illness there is – anorexia – overwhelmingly kills women and to a smaller extent gay males. Something I feel often is overlooked in the whole women suffer less in their mental health struggles-narrative. I agree that it's not competition however, but I just wanted to support you on your point that women-dominated mental illnesses get trivialised due to being compared to e.g. the mortality of male depression (which is heartbreakingly high also). Don't know if I'm making…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 03:46 PM
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A part of it is also that not many people seem to want to view a social mishap as something that is appropriate to casually apologize for. Like a ''sorry for being so short, or sounding harsh in my earlier text. was double tasking/occupied/sleepy and didn't proofread'' is sometimes a good way of holding youself accountable, and whether it's to a friend, love interest, colleague, family member etc. Etiquette is hard to apply to digital interaction sometimes, but it's worth to train that skill. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 07:27 PM
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I actually try to be very aware of how I come across/communicate first and foremost– if I can't do it properly and treat a date with the communicative respect, I take that as a sign of me not supposing to date at this moment at all. Being respectful and communicative to everyone is very, very important for me. If I actually did make a mistake that soured things, I apologise if needed, but also withdraw if there is no further interest from the guy. In my experience there has been a difference bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 06:49 PM
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So you simply let them go and moved forward? Yes, I just let them go. I don't think it's healthy to pursue someone who gives mixed signals. In my experience it communicates to the other person that I'd either be desperate or a doormat. Desperation is universally unattractive and unhealthy. I take some time to be sad if I am, get over it, and gain insights if there are any to get. Some women seem to believe that if a guy stops chasing for whatever reason, they just weren't the type of man that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 06:22 PM
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Both are horrible at communicating in average, even when they are horrible in different ways. There is a weird/ironic situation where I've found the most success in dating or befriending former fuck-ups that have gone to a shitload of therapy more so than I have had success with people that haven't needed a shrink. None are worse, because I can't really say that anyone is better than the other. I've been in awe of how bad people are at talking through conflicts whether they've been my own mother…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 06:07 PM
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Was sad when I was interested, relieved if I wasn't. A few times I could discern a few faux-pas or social missteps and gained some insights and corrected myself – but this has usually not been the result of post-rejection self-obsessiveness, moreso it has been due to holding myself socially accountable, getting over myself and getting better. None of your examples really ring true if I read them correctly?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 05:53 PM
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I get what you're saying, but sunscreen is not something to be skipped – use dermatolgist recommendations based on a UV report. Sun damage is a dramatically big percentage of skin aging for both men and women, so if you want to look good and age gracefully – be consistent with sunscreen when needed. Sun damage happens even when you don't burn.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 02:30 PM
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I think there are different preferences, with one important factor being whether someone thinks it's preferable to date someone with maybe lesser pay but with a good cultural capital tradeoff. I work within a field that does trade off a lower paygrade for prestige, and I tend to go for men in a similar field and prefer that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 05:13 PM
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At the mall? Of course not. Hard to buy a 1+ years of daily yoga practice, IPL and acne scar laser treatments at the mall. As for things you can buy instantly, the mall might be a bit to pedestrian for that purpose. edit: corrected a typo
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 04:33 PM
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I think you misunderstood me here. I meant that particular thing in response to being someone lacking the charisma/social skills to have high-quality friendships. As for the other things I do, isn't the complaint from many in the manosphere that FDS-women have too high standards without self-improvement? At the same time, a lot of the grooming many women do make us look far better than usual, and men might not notice it conciously – but they see a difference if you have a good skincare routine, …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 03:52 PM
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Honestly, the fact that red pillers assume that we don't self-improve is the most insulting of the redpill ideology. Strangers assuming my deepest desires, my life trajectory and my morals is OK. I can't really prove otherwise over the internet. But it makes me mad to no end when they think that we barely do any work to look better and be perceived well. Dermatologists, everyday workout, strict diet, laser hair removal, hairdresser, investing in a wardrobe, holding myself accountable for my soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 07:44 AM
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But they're not criterias? The reason she might not mention what she does is not that she automatically believes she deserves the happiness she has only because of her gender. She probably just thought it would sound a bit self-important to follow up everything gushes about with things she does to make him happy in return. I know I would probably feel weird about giving myself a pat on the back for doing what gives most people pleasure in relationships – i.e. making your SO happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 06:16 PM
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I think this is a good conversation for us to have. Honest and short answer: no. If he makes me happy that means that person is still the person I loved and married. Even in the most cynical/transactional mindsets, I don't think it would make sense. The chances of finding someone new who is loveworthy and loyal are slim at best. Let's say that I leave my husband to search for someone new in this proposed scenario. Who knows what can happen so that my looks get destroyed overnight? Let's say I lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 05:59 PM
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Splitting the bill should be custom on a first date, it balances things out and makes everything more comfortable. Takes the tension and potential awkwardness out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 03:23 PM
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Is there no middle ground in between being a doormat who will take anyone if they give them a compliment and vapid female narcissism? Genuine question, because I've always thought of desperation as an universally unattractive trait for both men and women – which is the main component shared between simps and pick-mes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 02:39 PM
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Alright. If you think so there is no meaning in me trying to convince you since you’re deadset on your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 11:34 AM
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I think I might be somewhat sheltered, or ignorant, to how much men's height matter in dating. I'm of average height, 170cm/5'7 (slightly below average height where I live AFAIK) and I've dated a significant amount of men that have been around the same height as me. A 6'1 guy thats my type and more interesting is far more attractive than a slightly less attractive 6'5. My only problem is when a guy fails in making me feel feminine or tries to discourage me from wearing heels, to which I'm sympat…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 04:45 PM
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I think it's easier for men to be funny to both female and male audiences. A lot of female humor tends to only be funny to women and doesn't do as well in e.g. stand up comedy as it does as dry remarks during a wine tasting evening with the girls. Same with gay humor, also not conventionally funny. I don't think this is static, though. I also don't think that this type of comedy lag we as women have can be quickly fixed. When we try to force it we get people like Amy Schumer, whose fans I've yet…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 04:15 PM
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I don't think it's a sexual death sentence, but I do think we all might have interests that we benefit treating as guilty pleasures. I'll use a sloppy example. The only nerdy guy I'm friends with is my close friends fiancé – my friend is a conventionally attractive girly girl, he's about average looks-wise and has DOTA tournaments as a side hustle. The tournaments were a bit off-putting (or rather, suprising/puzzling) for my friend at first from what she has told me when she learned of it, but s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 04:04 PM
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As I woman I think it's very healthy behaviour! Friendship isn't necessary to be a civil human being, and so men shouödn't feel the need to sacrifice their boundaries in order to be friends when it doesn't work out. For those who think it's justified, how many male friends have you kept out of similar situations like this one? Is the question about women that have been in your exact shoes and kept being friends instead of breaking it off? I've been in that situation a few times, when things just…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 05:58 PM
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