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Thank you for sharing, and I do understand the source of your frustration and it's validity. The issue I'm having on this sub is specifically the inverse of it. I've had a few people say things like "women in this country don't experience significant sexism anymore," and when I list ways that I have, I'm met with a resounding "well I don't know what that is/haven't heard of that," which is all very well and good, but it doesn't make it any less real. It's really unfair to diminish men's issues, …
/r/MensRights03/05/13 01:35 AM
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woah, creepy dude.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 11:37 PM
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Ok, so going through my list and saying "I'm not aware of that/don't know what you are talking about," does not add up to the same as "that does not exist." Maybe there's a very good reason why you aren't aware of some of these things, maybe because they haven't happened to you? Do you know why I thought to list them? Because they've happened to me. So basically what we have here is a situation where you throw around words like "female privilege," while denying that women today in the US experie…
/r/MensRights02/05/13 11:37 PM
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Oh man, you guys are just terrible at making friends. I'm trying so hard to become an ally on this, and people keep just giving me shit for not hating myself (because that's what feminism means to a lot of women, not hating yourself.)
/r/MensRights02/05/13 11:30 PM
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Yes, that would be the answer to the question I asked. Thank you, but no need to be so bitchy about it, jeez.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 11:28 PM
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Can you explain what you mean about reproduction being done outside the body?
/r/MensRights30/04/13 10:43 AM
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Can you explain what you mean by "technology"?
/r/MensRights30/04/13 10:34 AM
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I saw that, but I'm not saying "equally disposable." I'm saying "not disposable." People aren't disposable, and that's a fundamental problem I have with the concept of war. If people are going to fight and going to die, then it should really be necessary, and not because people are disposable. We need to stop unnecessary death that we propagate through the myth of disposability. As I said, "the appropriate gravitas." By including women in the draft, their not-disposablity may be imparted on to m…
/r/MensRights30/04/13 10:32 AM
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So, end the "disposability" concept and give everyone equal rights can't be an option here? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm actually wondering how that could work. I think the idea I'm suggesting is that with this coed draft situation, people wouldn't be considered disposable, it would be considered a significant loss. We would treat sending our citizens off to war with the appropriate gravitas.
/r/MensRights30/04/13 10:22 AM
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the fact that women don't have it as bad as is claimed men have it as bad as women, and use the male statistics to illustrate that.
/r/MensRights30/04/13 10:17 AM
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I'll give you some advice, because I think it's important that you feel comfortable sharing this stuff, and I think a lot of people aren't aware of it. a) sometimes it's difficult for me to participate in this subreddit, because sometimes people go too far when they get heated, and sometimes offensive things are said about women. It's important not to try to diminish that women's rights are also an issue, or argue that women don't experience sexism too. It's absolutely possible to discuss men's …
/r/MensRights30/04/13 10:12 AM
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at least she didn't have to have an unnecessary TVU. If this legislation passes, she would have.
/r/MensRights30/04/13 09:53 AM
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Dude, seriously? 2 months ago my friend had to have an abortion because, if she didn't a) (best case scenario) she could have carried the baby to term, but it would be severely disabled, both physically and cognitively, and she would have suffered permanent physical damage that would (at least eventually) disable her, and shorten her life; b) (more likely) she would have suffered a traumatic, late-term, miscarriage, and have suffered all of the physical complications as had she successfully carr…
/r/MensRights30/04/13 09:51 AM
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(don't bother fighting me on the '0 parallels for men' comment. I realize it sounds bitchy, but since I didn't give examples, it's really not worth correcting. I'm not going to give examples, for reasons of wanting to maintain reddit anonymity. Just trust me on this one--because most of the musicians I know are men, and no, they don't experience this stuff.)
/r/MensRights30/04/13 09:45 AM
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I could write an essay about each of these, I have about many, and at least one is something I've been interviewed extensively about -employment discrimination -unequal pay -body autonomy -abstracted and aestheticized objectification -the arts (art by women is assumed to be consumed exclusively by women, and is always expected to be about women) -gender role BS -Compulsary, unnecessary, transvaginal ultrasounds -education discrimination -healthcare discrimination -being dismissed/treated dismiss…
/r/MensRights30/04/13 09:43 AM
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This is the thing--if you are a man or woman who cares about specifically, but not necessarily exclusively promoting women's welfare, which still has quite a ways to go, you are probably a feminist. By isolating feminists, you are, in effect, isolating a lot of men and women who care about women's issues. In so doing, you will specifically isolate most men and women who do not hate women. That is not to say there aren't empowered female MRAs who don't identify as feminists, I'm just saying that …
/r/MensRights30/04/13 08:14 AM
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I see your point, but there's a weird correlation. So the first issue is, I think, that Patriarchy is designed to oppress women. I don't think it was an international conspiracy whose primary function was to oppress women--but, I do think that historically in our culture men ruled, and women were oppressed. Now, the lasting effects of this oppression are made perfectly clear in my Congress (or ("X women in X"): why aren't there enough qualified applicants? Well, women's suffrage is only a few ge…
/r/MensRights30/04/13 08:02 AM
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But maybe not isolate potential female/feminist allies? There's a lot of tongue-biting involved with participating on this sub. Maybe feminism is guilty of pushing men out, so why should the MRM engage in the same flawed behavior? I say, lead by example, and create a better movement. Feminism was reactionary, that's a source (I think) of many of the criticisms I see here against it. So, then, shouldn't the MRM avoid being reactionary about feminism, and in so doing, enact real and substantive pr…
/r/MensRights29/04/13 06:56 PM
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Thank you for your post, and for participating in this discussion. I've learned a lot about this movement since I wrote this initial post. I maintain the point about trauma being the root of many of the more unsavory behaviors and attitudes, but for both sexes. That said, I still think there's a difference, and something specific, and I will try to do better to explain it--I may well be wrong, it's a new idea for me. As I've said, it isn't all about sexual violence. I brushed by various points w…
/r/MensRights29/04/13 06:46 PM
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Have an upvote, sir. Anyway, I just know a lot of feminists--big important ones who write books and chair conferences, and none of them hate men. They agree with this sub on everything except that feminism hates men. I'll agree that there are different types of feminists, just as I've seen some RULL rude MRAs here, I'll even admit that women's policies have been narrow-focused to the point of detrimental for men. I agree it's bad for equality, and I see the same accusations being thrown back and…
/r/MensRights29/04/13 06:28 PM
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That's why I said 'heterosexuals' and not 'people'! Get it? Cuz one's a men's rights movement, the other is a women's rights movement.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 06:20 PM
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There's been a movement in many states in this country to require all women seeking abortions to undergo medically unnecessary transvaginal ultrasounds. Again, there is no medical reason why the ultrasound should be transvaginal. The function of these ultrasounds is to dissuade women from terminating pregnancies, there is no ambiguity on that point. Therefore, the function is to influence a women's behavior and decisions about her body. The fact that an instrument is inserted in her vagina is ex…
/r/MensRights29/04/13 06:19 PM
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Is it then an aspect of the MRM platform? Like, TVUs? I'm just saying, if the MRM isn't doing anything specific about it, I'm not gonna abandon feminism. I'm a human, I care about equality, and I'm also a woman. Women's issues aren't a thing of the past, they still affect my life. Men's issues do too. I care about both. I'm going to have to insist, though, that I stay a feminist, and I just wish people here would be OK with that, because I agree with 100% of everything you say otherwise. I'm sor…
/r/MensRights29/04/13 05:22 PM
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so instead of insisting that 'there can be no common ground,' why doesn't feminism and the MRM do like heterosexuals have been doing for millennia, squish together, and make a beautiful baby-movement based on abolishing trad gender roles and creating equality.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 05:11 PM
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I'm not saying that rape is a uniquely female issue, I'm saying that there is a uniquely female issue that has a lot to do with not just rape, but sexual violence, assault, harassment, and yeah body autonomy and all that. It's not a prevalence of rape issue, per se, it's a particular reality one occupies, and it is uniquely female. There are other issues, ones that are uniquely male, surrounding rape (people think it isn't possible, a very different kind of shame, etc). I'm just trying to insist…
/r/MensRights29/04/13 05:05 PM
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Too often people on this sub do precisely what they take issue with: espousing one gender's issues, and waving a hand at the other's. I'm trying to make a complicated point about female trauma, which immediately got waved away as 'it's bad OR WORSE for men.' I'm not talking about explicitly rape, I'm talking about a climate where the historical utility of women lay between their legs or beneath the skin of their bellies, and their bodies were commodified or conquered. It's just not the same, the…
/r/MensRights29/04/13 03:57 PM
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And what do you do to prevent unnecessary transvaginal ultrasounds (rape) being required for all women seeking abortions? So feminism sucks for only dealing with women's issues? Then MRM sucks for only dealing with men's issues. WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG????
/r/MensRights29/04/13 03:21 PM
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Ok, the longer I've been spending on this sub, the more I've noticed something: not everyone, but a LOT of people have been guilty of precisely the same things that they criticize feminism for. I'm not going to stop being a feminist, because MRM doesn't concern itself much with specifically female issues (ex. unnecessary transvaginal ultrasounds), whereas feminism does. Similar to how feminism fails to consider many men's issues). Maybe stop saying Feminists want to be seen as weak and oppressed…
/r/MensRights29/04/13 03:20 PM
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Dude, people in the past were assholes. It's a thing. Racism, religious intolerance, slavery, public executions, rape-being-ok, etc. Like, the past was gnarly. They gave cocaine to children and stuff. And yeah, a lot of men totally treated a lot of women real bad. That did happen. Just because men face a great deal of injustice and double standards and stuff doesn't mean that people in the past weren't TOTAL assholes. And yeah, that includes how men treated women. Women sucked in their own ways …
/r/MensRights29/04/13 02:29 PM
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Woah, woah. I really, really don't think most feminists want to be seen as damsels in distress. At all. If you keep thinking that, you're gonna have a bad time. I otherwise agreed with 99% of what you said, but man, that one was bad. Also, I just had a thought: because people so often associate 'feminist' with 'man hating,' I think a lot of women who are feminists don't identify themselves as such (because they think they're supposed to hate men if they do), so we end up with a sample bias. Also…
/r/MensRights29/04/13 01:59 PM
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Ok, so like the issue on the "stay at home mom tax credit." Many conservatives are for it because 'yay stay at home moms are great and kids benefit from having more parental care.' Many liberals call sexism because it incentivizes women to not work and it's unfair to single mothers. So, call it the "Stay at Home Parent Tax Credit," dads qualify too. BAM. Tell your friends.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 01:44 PM
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First I would like to say thanks for your post, it was really well said. Second, I completely agree with you on pretty much every point. The one issue I will take is that I think there is something to talking about Patriarchy, and I don't mean to be too semantic but "rights we've [men] been handing over to them [women]" does seem slightly telling. I mean, I don't fully understand how men can do the handing if not within a patriarchy. To be clear, I'm not trying to gouge holes in your arguments o…
/r/MensRights29/04/13 01:31 PM
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Really? You don't? What feminists have you been talking to? Edit: I know the chair of feminist philosophy at a university in Boston, and she (as well as myself and every other feminist I know) definitely have a problem with female to male DV or threats thereof. I think it all boils down to stupid traditional gender roles. I identify as feminist for the simple reason that I don't hate myself.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 12:06 PM
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I disagree, it's just absolutely absurd to make a sweeping statement like "they [women] are taught to dominate" within the reality of an international paradigm that clearly represents the opposite. And it's also a little bit apologist to say "long-ago-dead women being oppressed"--quite a few are still alive. Over half of the women living today, actually. You could say, "I observe a trend promoting female domination." And yeah, I would agree that that trend exists, and I observe that it's a poorl…
/r/MensRights29/04/13 11:48 AM
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This ignorant point also fails to remember that homosexuality is a thing. "Research indicates that domestic violence among same-sex couples occurs at similar rates as domestic violence among straight couples." source: http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/lgbt/news/2011/06/14/9850/domestic-violence-in-the-lgbt-community/
/r/MensRights29/04/13 11:38 AM
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No, it definitely occurred to me, and I find the presumption annoying. I'm a long-time critic of Cosmo--a 'how to steam up your love life' article that ran in 2005 boiled down to "ambush your boyfriend when he gets out of the shower, rape him, then make him a sandwich."
/r/MensRights29/04/13 11:13 AM
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Question: Is it at all possible to respond to this disgusting article WITHOUT disparaging all women? Answer: Yes, but for less than 50% of commenters (and I do shout out to you). But I'd also like to point out how very unfeminist this article is. I'm steeling myself for the downvotes, but the simple fact of the matter is that feminism isn't your enemy. Citing authors from the past to support some 'feminism hate man' argument is automatically invalid, because men in the past were gigantic asshole…
/r/MensRights29/04/13 10:19 AM
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Women are taught to dominate? ?????? I'm sorry, this Cosmo article is obviously really very terrible, but you can't just go and completely ignore centuries of society enforcing (often violently) the subjugation of women. Citing a few decades of (relatively minor) female backlash culture as 'taught to dominate' is, quite simply, offensive. I agree that men's rights are a concern, but you aren't going to achieve anything by completely isolating all women.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 10:08 AM
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