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Errol Musk?
/r/MensRights15/08/22 11:29 PM
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Yes, I am sure the man who decided it was a good idea to have sex at 3:30pm in front of a prom shop was probably innocent of all previous charges. I don't disagree that there are way to many people incarcerated in the US who don't belong in jail but I think it's safe to say this guy is not one of them. What happened here doesn't seem to have anything to do with men's rights at all unless you think men should have the right to break the law while on probation and suffer no more consequences than …
/r/MensRights22/02/15 11:14 PM
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The actual results of the study are a hell of a lot more complicated than either the article or the title of Op's post make them out to be. They still indicate higher levels of sexual violence being committed by girls/women than generally expected but the pattern of results isn't as simplistic as girls and boys both engaging in equal levels of sexual violence. http://archpedi.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1748355 "Results Nearly 1 in 10 youths (9%) reported some type of sexual violence …
/r/MensRights12/09/14 12:25 AM
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Yeah but heart disease is often caused by preventable, bad health habits. One could argue that the best way to prevent heart disease is not by pumping money into research, like we do with cancers, but instead by encouraging healthier habits amongst the population. The research required to cure cancers is probably a lot more expensive than the awareness campaigns needed to prevent heart disease. You're kinda comparing apples to oranges.
/r/MensRights28/08/14 04:56 PM
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So basically you can't actually justify any of the claims you just made about this girl and would rather just not have your preconceived, sexist notions challenged. As I understood it, being for men's rights does not mean hating and stereotyping women and if you think it does then I suggest you go back to /r/TheRedPill.
/r/MensRights20/06/14 06:22 PM
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You get all that from the fact that she just happens to post topless pictures of herself? Please explain to me how exactly posting pictures of her boobs makes her a hypocrite. Also where does she say she has a problem with ugly people looking at her pictures? I did not see evidence of that anywhere. I think you might be projecting some of your own issues here just a tad.
/r/MensRights20/06/14 05:27 PM
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So what if she does?
/r/MensRights19/06/14 11:57 PM
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Most of the people on this subreddit are also completely unaware of the vaginal tearing (tearing from the vagina and down towards the anus) that often occurs during childbirth. These tears can sometimes take weeks or even months to fully heal and are quite painful making walking around a bit of a chore. Sometimes really bad ones will even result anal incontinence. But you know, it's easier to just assume this sign is misandry.
/r/MensRights07/05/14 04:43 AM
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Ok I need to know where you stand on this image before we continue. Do you agree or disagree with the message? I actually do think this comic has a lot to do with the rights of men and very little to do with feminism but, before I explain why I think this, it would be helpful if I understood your stance.
/r/MensRights06/05/14 02:50 AM
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So I'm guessing this isn't how you actually feel but it sounds like you're saying that because you think feminists would have done this you think it's OK to get angry at them for this even though they had nothing to do with this? I'm not sure what your feelings are towards this comic but my original response was directed at /u/Eryemil who was pretty clearly trying to insult feminists in their comment. I agree that the message of the comic is the kind of thing a lot of feminists would agree with …
/r/MensRights05/05/14 05:33 PM
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It amazes me that you were somehow able to bring feminism into this even though every single character in the comic is male (except the babies who are genderless) and the message of the comic is "don't discriminate against men."
/r/MensRights05/05/14 06:47 AM
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In that case both the hitman and the woman who hired him would be considered murderers. I'm not sure what you're getting at here though,just because you have one case where a woman hired a hitman does not mean it's systemic.
/r/MensRights03/05/14 12:32 AM
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The point I was trying to make with the 90% statistic is that is it wrong to assume that just because more men are victims of homicides they must not be privileged. The reality of the situation is vastly more complicated. For instance, while it is true that more men are victims in homicides, a breakdown of the different types of homicide shows that the vast majority of male homicides are drug or gang related. Women actually outweigh men as victims in domestic and sex-related homicides. What this…
/r/MensRights02/05/14 06:36 AM
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I think you might have misunderstood what I am trying to say. I do not think military men are disposable, I actually think it's terrible that anyone has to lay down their life for their country in this day and age. I just don't think the number of men who die in the military is large enough to be a statistically relevant fact in a case where someone is trying to disprove the idea of male privilege. Male privilege as a concept suggests that men have it easier overall. Pointing out that more men d…
/r/MensRights02/05/14 06:09 AM
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Yeah but we're talking about making a case for male privilege not being a thing in America. Something that only effects a very small portion of American men does not actually build a strong case against the concept of male privilege. I totally acknowledge the fact that it sucks for those men and their families, my point is that it's not something that drastically effects American men as a whole.
/r/MensRights02/05/14 12:55 AM
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Let's not forget, 90% of homicides are also committed by men and differences in number of suicides are not due to overall attempts but rather to method used. Overall women actually attempt suicide twice as often as men. The army statistic isn't really a fair one to use if you're trying to make a point about male privilege being a myth. While it's true that 97% of military deaths are men this is still only 6616 deaths in the US over the last 13 years. While that is 6616 too many, it's not exactly…
/r/MensRights02/05/14 12:30 AM
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I would agree that both sexes are entitled to discuss everything including reproductive rights. Please do not think that my opinion is about silencing men. For me, this is about women's health issues being discussed primarily by men. This is about giving women a voice on an issue that primarily effects them. It's basically based on the idea that people should be trusted to know what's best for themselves. Men can't get pregnant and so they shouldn't presume that they know what the best policies …
/r/MensRights01/03/14 08:21 PM
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Ok I mean I personally disagree with you about the popular opinion on bodily autonomy because I think most people are actually pro-bodily autonomy (especially their own) but I can see what you're getting at. That said it still doesn't explain why you have a problem with this particular t-shirt which is about a specific issue of bodily autonomy. I mean I think it's a pretty lame t-shirt but I don't have a problem with the message it's sending.
/r/MensRights01/03/14 08:04 PM
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Notice that I never said anything about forcing a 50/50 split. I was very careful to suggest an evenish split for precisely the reason that I do not want to force people to vote one way or the other. I'm not suggesting a method of fixing this problem because I honestly don't know what the best way to fix it is. That doesn't mean there is no problem though. I can acknowledge the fact that there is a problem with having a group of mostly men making policy decisions regarding women's health without…
/r/MensRights01/03/14 07:58 PM
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Men and women are equal in that they deserve equal rights but the issues that effect men and women aren't always equal. This is just an unfortunate fact of biology. Men can't get pregnant so having a bunch of men making women's health decisions is really not cool. I'd feel the same way if bunches of women started making decisions regarding men's health without asking for any men's opinions too. We do have some inherent biological differences health wise between the genders. If I could change tha…
/r/MensRights28/02/14 09:04 PM
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Huh I wonder why I'm getting downvotes but no comments...
/r/MensRights28/02/14 08:55 PM
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Rereading what you've written makes me feel like for the most part we will probably agree for a large portion of the abortion debate. Where I disagree with you (unless I'm reading you wrong) is when we get to the issue of fetal viability. The issue gets really messy here because if we're talking about healthy viable fetuses then morally speaking I think they shouldn't be aborted once they've reached a certain point of development. What that point should be is a difficult question to answer given…
/r/MensRights28/02/14 08:44 PM
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What roles are you thinking of? Also I'm not sure what this has to do with abortion. Unless you think pregnancy is one of those roles people should be forced to fulfill.
/r/MensRights28/02/14 08:09 PM
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Well I was trying to be nice but you've jumped the niceness train. If you're going to start calling women names then I'm afraid we can't have this discussion. I'm asking you to avoid this for my sake because I will start getting pissed off and I don't particularly want to derail this conversation. I'm enjoying this discussion and don't want it to turn into a yelling match. I like getting alternative perspectives on these kinds of issues because sometimes I end up learning something new. I'm only…
/r/MensRights28/02/14 05:58 PM
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Well how do we change popular opinion if not by voicing our views? What I'm trying to say is that this might not be the current situation but it is the situation we should strive for (in my personal opinion). That's the point this t-shirt is trying to make in regards to a specific issue.
/r/MensRights28/02/14 05:42 PM
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Ok so from the perspective of the abortion debate we are not going to agree but I don't really want to derail into a big conversation about it. I do want to say that I appreciate the fact that you at least seem to have put some thought into your stance on abortion. Nothing annoys me more than people who take a stance on the issue without actually looking into it. Politicians might not be representative of the population but women make up more than 50% of the population. They aren't a minority gr…
/r/MensRights28/02/14 05:34 PM
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Except that the messages being sent by these two t-shirts are very different. The woman's t-shirt is about taking a stance on bodily autonomy (specifically it's probably a pro-choice t-shirt about abortion). I think a lot of people on this sub are reading it wrong, they think the message is identical to the one in the second t-shirt. The second one is making a statement about male dominance (I have a penis so I get to make the rules). It's a joke, but it's a bad joke.
/r/MensRights28/02/14 05:19 PM
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So if you feel that elected representatives don't actually represent anyone in the US, that there is only the illusion a of choice, then you must understand that those groups composed of mainly men weren't really representative of what women would want. If there are two choices and most are men you can't act surprised by women electing mostly men.
/r/MensRights28/02/14 05:11 PM
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Little hint about abortion, it usually happens long before anything I'd call a body exists. Also, I don't think you understand pregnancy much if you think it works like inception. I'm just picturing babies inside babies inside babies...and then it's turtles all the way down.
/r/MensRights28/02/14 08:49 AM
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The thing is I have no problem with anti-choice women or men (from either side of the debate) wanting to have a word in on the debate but this slogan was designed to address a different issue. That issue being that groups consisting mainly of men have been in charge of deciding abortion law. It wouldn't be very democratic of me to ban the opposition from the debate and in theory I would hope that I would hold true to this belief regardless of whether or not it would help my side win. I'm simply …
/r/MensRights28/02/14 08:41 AM
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That's a case of popular opinion. Honestly, I find incest disgusting but I don't think it should be illegal. Reason being I can't think of a logical reason to tell to consenting adults that they aren't allowed to have sex with each other. Just because I find something distasteful doesn't mean I think there should be a law against it
/r/MensRights28/02/14 06:35 AM
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Women can go to war, men can't get pregnant.
/r/MensRights28/02/14 06:33 AM
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I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or not. I do agree with you in principle, people who can't get pregnant shouldn't really presume that they can make decisions for those who can. It's just that this particular sentiment (no uterus no opinion) came about because of that whole deal with abortion policy being discussed by a room full of men. That's not to say that I think men shouldn't discuss abortion policy, I just can see the issue with men discussing abortion policy without considering wo…
/r/MensRights28/02/14 06:30 AM
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What about it? The t-shirt is simply about criticizing the specific issue of having a group consisting mainly of men making decisions about women's health issues (the group of men here consists of the law makers in the American government). The "No uterus, No opinion" statement is meant as a catchphrase, not a sophisticated argument that accounts for every single possibility.
/r/MensRights28/02/14 06:13 AM
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Just because these things happen(ed) doesn't mean it should happen. The T-shirt isn't about saying what is always the case, it's about saying what should be the case. I think you'll find that if you actually ask people "do you think you should have the right to decide what you do with your body?" they'll say yes. As for changing the political system (whichever system you're referring to), well I'm certainly going to work on it.
/r/MensRights28/02/14 06:01 AM
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She? Also the point of the t-shirt is that a woman gets to make all the decisions regarding her vagina; nobody else gets a say. It's pretty clear and pretty fair. I don't understand how anyone could possibly have a problem with the idea of body autonomy.
/r/MensRights28/02/14 05:39 AM
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Basically it's a fantastic comedy and the "ovaries before brovaries" thing was awkward on purpose. That was the joke. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ0bfIc8Moc
/r/MensRights28/02/14 05:13 AM
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http://rlv.zcache.com/i_have_a_dick_so_i_make_the_rules_t_shirt-r50f852b86d8d4e5e84cb7d4a349a1ff5_va6lr_512.jpg
/r/MensRights28/02/14 05:10 AM
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That first shirt is actually a reference to the idea that male politicians (those without a uterus) have no business writing abortion laws. You can look it up. They're not actually saying men have no right to any opinions whatsoever.
/r/MensRights28/02/14 05:06 AM
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You do know that it's a reference to Parks and Recreation right?
/r/MensRights28/02/14 05:02 AM
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Because vaginas are totally just like your house.
/r/MensRights28/02/14 05:01 AM
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Did I say we lived in a utopia? No of course not, in fact I've been arguing the complete opposite. You have been arguing as if everything is fine the way it is and we should just learn to deal with things. This is not how we make improvements. The way we get to a better world is by voicing our dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs. My point is that we should not be teaching kids to get tougher or change who they are, we should be teaching kids that they are not the problem and we sho…
/r/MensRights03/02/14 04:13 AM
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My point was that in a better world you would not have needed to go through abuse at all. The reason you feel that you have benefited from the abuse is because you think your experiences will help shield you from future abuse. If we work to change things for the better, then people will not need to learn to protect themselves from abuse, bullying or negative stereotypes. It is more important that we work towards a cure than a treatment. It's not that kids that need to be educated, it's that adul…
/r/MensRights02/02/14 12:46 AM
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Actually I don't think you're right about the eduction part at all. As far as I know there are no studies showing any net positive benefits of being stereotyped or bullied. The fact of the matter is that it shouldn't be up to kids to overcome this negative shit. It should be up to us as adults to try and eliminate these stereotypes altogether; this is the example we should be setting for kids. We should be teaching kids through example that they don't need to put up with this shit. Instead of pr…
/r/MensRights01/02/14 09:31 PM
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Changing the ways in which women are portrayed in the media isn't about padding things. It's about making things better for everyone. Being exposed to the realities of life and being exposed to a barrage of negative stereotypes are totally different things. For instance, giving a kid a pet that you know will die in a decade or so is a positive way to expose children to the fact that everything dies. The only thing exposing children to gendered stereotypes teaches them is that their value in our …
/r/MensRights01/02/14 06:38 AM
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Or instead of putting the blame on parents we could actually advocate for changes in the way society portrays women and girls in the media. The solution to the negative effects the objectification of women in the media has on girls and women is not to teach girls to get over it. You need to acknowledge the fact that parents are not the only factor that influences how children view the world. Media and the opinions of society at large play a huge role in how youths construct their identities. You…
/r/MensRights31/01/14 05:43 AM
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The difference is that Brad Pitt and Steve Bucemi are both real people. They obviously have real body types. I actually know a lot more about body issues than you think. Not because I have them but because I study them. You are wrong if you think that fit people never have body image issues. In fact you are dead wrong. The people who have the worst body image issues, anorexics, bulimics, steroid addicts, etc actually tend to exercise and diet to the extreme. This has nothing to do with jealousy.…
/r/MensRights31/01/14 12:48 AM
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Ok, 2012 Chun li's legs are in fact wider and longer than those of Olympic weight lifters (and the woman you linked to). In fact I went and checked this back when you first suggested her as a realistic looking woman. Similarly, my issue with Bayonetta has never been the thinness of her legs it has always been the length in proportion to the rest of her body. A fact I have made perfectly clear. You do not understand pushup bras if you think they can explain boobs that are bigger than heads in vid…
/r/MensRights30/01/14 10:02 PM
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You obviously don't understand women's undergarments, there's only so much a good bra can do. I'm also curious how the bra is supposed to explain Chun Li's thighs and Bayonetta's barbie doll legs.
/r/MensRights30/01/14 05:10 AM
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So let me get this straight. In an argument about whether or not female video game characters have achievable body types you want me to ignore all the unachievable aspects of their bodies and just focus on the achievable parts and therefore you win! Your argument boils down to "if you just focus on the parts of their bodies that make sense and ignore the unrealistic part then suddenly the portrayals of women in video games etc. is realistic." Not only do I not believe that this is what you were …
/r/MensRights29/01/14 11:33 PM
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You may have changed your argument to be about body fat and muscle mass but that certainly was not what you were talking about in the beginning. If it had been, you'd have agreed with my early post containing the images of female athletes, told me that was what you meant, and we could have both gone our separate ways. Instead you insisted that most women in video games/comics had achievable body types and that any woman who complained about it was probably just fat and jealous. This is what you …
/r/MensRights29/01/14 06:36 AM
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You are fucking hilarious. Your "argument" basically consisted of calling me fat and retarded (by the way did you remove that comment yourself or was it the mods?), calling any woman who doesn't look like a super hero lazy, and then proceeding to post a bunch of pictures of cherry picked female characters (you didn't even do a good job of that), and a bunch of cherry picked images of extremely atypical female athletes (who didn't even look like the female characters you gave as examples). Just b…
/r/MensRights29/01/14 04:21 AM
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You do realize that you have been arguing with me for three days too right? Your actual point was that most women could look like video game characters if they tried hard enough. I have countered every single argument you've presented, how you think you've won is beyond disbelief. The fact that you just called me pig headed without a hint of irony is just the cherry on top. If you are unwilling to even consider having your mind changed you may want to stop voicing your opinions on the internet. …
/r/MensRights29/01/14 03:01 AM
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My argument was that Svetlana is proportional, but Bayonnetta isn't. You simply misunderstood. By proportional I mean torso and legs all match up. Svetlana's proportions do not match Bayonetta's at all. It only takes looking at her to see that. Svetlana is a healthy and amazing looking woman whose legs and arms match her torso in length. Bayonetta looks like BDSM Barbie. When I say spaghetti spine I'm not talking about general flexibility. I know what flexibility looks like, my mother was a ball…
/r/MensRights28/01/14 07:10 PM
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The three tall women you referenced are exceedingly tall, not at all representative of "most women," and they still don't look anything like Bayonetta. The length of all of their torsos are proportional to the length of the rest of their limbs, unlike Bayonetta. Their bodies are athletically built all over, they do not have an odd mix of athleticism and giant boobs, unlike Bayonetta. Their body proportions make sense because they are real people. Tallness is not the only issue with Bayonetta. In…
/r/MensRights28/01/14 04:34 AM
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Well you clearly were fooled into thinking her body was attainable do you consider yourself stupid? You can't handle the fact that I'm right about the fact that these women do not have the obtainable bodies you originally claimed they had. You were clearly fooled by this or you wouldn't have made that claim in the first place. By your own logic you are calling yourself stupid. I'm not arguing with you because I have any problems with my own body. I haven't mentioned my own body at all in fact be…
/r/MensRights27/01/14 09:58 PM
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I agree that Barbie is also unrealistic but Bayonetta is far beyond being a tall lanky frame. You might think you've seen women who look like her but really you've seen what actual tall, lanky women look like. Bayonetta is built such that her thighs are far, far, longer than her torso. This is just unrealistic. Her head is also tiny when compared to her breasts and shoulders. Some women do have boobs that big, but the rest of their bodies tend to be proportional. Bayonetta is not built to look l…
/r/MensRights27/01/14 08:48 PM
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Yeah, because calling me retarded again totally excuses your behavior. Not only that but mature people often call their opponents fat when they've run out of other things to say... I seem to remember learning that in grade school... I really didn't want to get into this whole thing where I have to go through each of your examples one by one. It's a time waster and doesn't address the real issue here which is that you think most women in video games and movies have attainable body types. But seei…
/r/MensRights27/01/14 06:56 PM
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You were playing dumb by taking a conversation that was clearly just about athletic ability and then suggesting that I felt men always had an advantage over women. I only feel this way when it comes to athletic competitions that pit men against women and people like you who somehow think this would be a fair contest. I get the impression that you have not done any research into this marathon at all. The female runner was not given first place, that was given to the male runner with the fastest t…
/r/MensRights27/01/14 06:10 PM
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You sir are a shining example of a human rights activist.
/r/MensRights26/01/14 11:24 PM
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Do you really want to play the "lets trade examples of women being portrayed in ways that support my argument game?" Because I guarantee you that I will win. Cherry picking a few cases doesn't prove anything when you are arguing that ""Women can go to the gym and look as good as most of the women in games or movies as well." Your examples do not even come close to representing "most of the women in games or movies."
/r/MensRights26/01/14 09:25 PM
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That is definitely not what you were saying in your original comment. "Women can go to the gym and look as good as most of the women in games or movies as well." That's what you were saying, and I'm saying that that is a crock of shit.
/r/MensRights26/01/14 09:03 PM
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I'm not saying people can't change their bodies to look and be healthier. I have no problem with promoting that. I'm saying that you're wrong if you think healthier = looks like wonder woman.
/r/MensRights26/01/14 08:46 PM
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Dude... I was just talking about ability to run fast when I said women were at a disadvantage, nothing more. And yes men can on average run faster than women and yes the fastest male runner will always be able to run faster than the fastest female runner. Anyone who read any of my past comments should have known that I was literally just talking about athletic ability and I'm sure you knew what I meant too. Don't play dumb, it doesn't make your argument sound better it just makes you sound stupi…
/r/MensRights26/01/14 08:43 PM
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The fact that you actually believe this just blows my mind. You seem to be under the impression that the body shapes and sizes most women in games and movies are portrayed with is actually what healthy women look like. Actual female athletes look nothing like the super women in comics and that's saying something because female athletes come in lots of different shapes and sizes. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/19/howard-schatz-photos-women-professional-athletes_n_4297902.html Your world vi…
/r/MensRights26/01/14 08:36 PM
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In your imaginary world male runners don't have an unfair advantage over female runners in a competition. This competition is designed to find out which runner did the best in comparison to their cohort group. It's not about who is the fastest overall, it's about who is the fastest after biological differences between the sexes have been taken into consideration. That's why it's called a gender challenge and not a speed challenge. The competition itself is stupid, an opinion I have voiced numero…
/r/MensRights26/01/14 07:57 PM
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It's more fair because for a few reasons. Firstly, women aren't a special interest group they make up more than half the population. Making things more fair based on the specific trait of gender is really easy to do and makes the gender challenge fairer for a huge chuck of the participants. On the other hand your suggestion of making things more fair based on other genetic traits such as race would be practically impossible to implement. Race is not a cut and dry concept, many people are mixed r…
/r/MensRights21/01/14 02:43 AM
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http://kmsteele.blogspot.ca/2012/07/fair-vs-equal.html Good for you you looked up the word equal. Now try looking up "equal vs. fair." Out of curiosity, how do you feel about girls doing better in schools than boys? Is that fair to you?
/r/MensRights20/01/14 06:32 PM
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Well then you should know that what is fair is not always what is equal. This is one of those cases. It is only one of those cases because of the stupid gender challenge which pits men against women for a prize of $50,000. Without the gender challenge we would simply have a men's race and a women's race and there would be no need for the handicap. With the gender challenge we need the handicap because otherwise we're just always paying the top male runner more than the top female runner. That is…
/r/MensRights20/01/14 06:28 PM
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I'm not mad about men being physically superior to women on average. Why would I be mad about something that no man or woman has control over? I'm mad at your suggestion that male athletes be paid more than their female counterparts. That's the issue here. There's a prize being offered, a dumb prize, which pits men against women. This is an obviously unfair competition so the women are given a handicap. My position is that the challenge is a stupid idea but that running it without a handicap is …
/r/MensRights20/01/14 06:17 PM
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No they really don't. I'm not really sure how you come to that conclusion at all.
/r/MensRights20/01/14 06:11 PM
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So you're argument for women not trying hard enough is that men are under more social pressure to be fit. Not only is this just a ludicrous premise that in no way supports you argument, it's also simply not true. Do you understand running at all? The runners physique is more desirable socially to women than it is to men according to your argument. Runners are thin and lean not beefy and muscular. Here's a fun observation you can make, go outside and count the number of female to male runners tha…
/r/MensRights20/01/14 06:10 PM
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Do you think taking performance enhancing drugs is cheating? I'm guessing that you do. I'm guessing that this is because you recognize that it gives athletes an unfair advantage over their peers. I'm also guessing that you'd think it unfair to pit a lightweight boxer against a heavyweight because again one has an unfair advantage over the other. The same concept applies to pitting men against women. Men have an unfair advantage in these competitions because of their biology. No one is suggesting…
/r/MensRights20/01/14 06:03 PM
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I have been arguing for exactly that this whole time. I think the challenge is a stupid idea that only serves to highlight the insignificant differences between men and women. If it is going to be a thing though then the only fair way to do it is to ensure that both the top male and female runners have a chance to win.
/r/MensRights20/01/14 05:55 PM
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I completely agree, they already have a prize for the fastest male and the fastest female runner and those prizes are equal. I think the gender challenge is a stupid idea but if you're going to have it then both genders should have an equal chance of winning that prize. The handicap is only necessary in light of the gender challenge's existence. Get rid of the gender challenge and the handicap is no longer necessary. Some people seem to be having trouble grasping this concept...
/r/MensRights20/01/14 05:53 PM
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Can you give me a single good reason for why it is necessary that men and women start at the same time despite the obvious biological disadvantage the women have? There is no necessity that a woman win this prize, men have won it in the past and no one kicked up a fuss, it is only necessary that women be given an equal opportunity to win. This is necessary because otherwise you are simply paying the best male runner more than the best female runner. This is not a difficult concept.
/r/MensRights20/01/14 05:50 PM
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I think you are mixing up you're mixing up the word "equal" with the word "fair." Look up the difference between these two concepts.
/r/MensRights20/01/14 05:47 PM
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She won the women's race and the gender challenge. If you take the time to look at the actual results a man won the men's race and was ranked first overall. Your definition of fair and unfair is completely ridiculous. You are confusing the word equal with the word fair. What is equal is not always the same as what is fair. I recommend that you google this concept because you clearly don't understand the difference. Men have a biological advantage over women in this kind of athletic competition. …
/r/MensRights20/01/14 05:46 PM
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Some people think the earth is flat too because it's fun to ignore reality. Again this whole issue is over something called "the gender challenge," in which a prize of $50,000 is awarded to the first person across the line. This person would always be a man if there was no handicap for women. This would mean that the fastest male runner ALWAYS got paid $50,000 than the fastest man. Let me repeat that, There's a $50,000 prize that only men would win. As it stands now, sometimes the winner is a ma…
/r/MensRights20/01/14 08:15 AM
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I am not at all suggesting that all men and women are handicapped uniformly but it is undeniable that men are on average faster than women to enough of an extent that no woman would ever win this race. Kenyans do not win in every race against white people as is evident from the fact that the very women who won this race was white. On the other hand in these kinds of competitions men do run faster than women. Seeing as women make up more than half the population this is the kind of disadvantage w…
/r/MensRights20/01/14 07:29 AM
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But in such a case, where you are having men and women competing together, why do you think it's fairer for women to have to compete against the biologically advantaged men without a handicap than with one? No matter how much effort the women put in they will still be slower than the men through no fault of their own. I think it's important to recognize the unfair advantage men have in these competitions, where money is involved, because even though no one can be blamed for their biology they ca…
/r/MensRights20/01/14 06:52 AM
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Loads of media outlets mention the handicap (as a quick google will prove) and in the past men have won this prize too. The gender challenge is a stupid idea given that this marathon names both a male and female winner anyways. It is not however unfair that she won. The idea of the handicap is that both the men and the women who run this marathon have a chance to win the prize money. Without the handicap only men would ever win this prize and it would just end up being an excuse to pay the faste…
/r/MensRights20/01/14 06:10 AM
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You and I obviously have very different definitions of what the word "fair" means. I suggest that you reread my comments, I don't think this prize is a good idea anyways but if you're going to have a "gender challenge" with a prize worth $50,000 then it's only fair that both genders have an equal chance of winning that prize. Otherwise it's not really a gender challenge it's just a lame excuse to give the fastest man more money than the fastest woman.
/r/MensRights20/01/14 06:02 AM
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CITATION NEEDED!
/r/MensRights20/01/14 05:11 AM
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The first problem with your comparison is the fact that you're right, we are talking about more than half the human population when it comes to adding a handicap for women in marathons. Its not like women are a special interest group we're talking about so comparing them to white people in the NBA doesn't really work (note: it's not like there are women in the NBA but there are white guys). The middle ground solution you suggest sounds like a good idea until you consider exactly what that would …
/r/MensRights20/01/14 05:11 AM
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She also wasn't given first place overall. She was given first place in the women's race which is also clearly stated in the above article. There was no cheating here as anyone who actually takes the time to read up on this will see. The prize can be won by either a man or a woman and has been won by men in the past so the issue here is not that women have a headstart. If you are going to have a prize like that it only makes sense to give the women a handicap because lets face it, women run slow…
/r/MensRights20/01/14 12:42 AM
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Thank you, it will probably take me quite a while to totally get through this paper but I'll do my best. So far, and correct me if I'm wrong, this paper seems to be suggesting that men receive sentences that are 5.5 months longer on average than those received by women and that this disparity and others can be mostly explained through departures from sentencing guidelines. This would seem to suggest, to me at least, that what we should be focusing on is fighting for stricter regulation of depart…
/r/MensRights08/01/14 03:55 AM
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I will agree with you that his sentence was double hers but that is just one case. Comparing two cases which we, the general public, know next to nothing about is hardly proof of widespread sexism. There were many other differences between these two cases other than gender which may have also effected the sentencing outcomes such as the age of the perpetrators. If you want to make a case for something like widespread sexism in the judicial system then you are going to need way more data than jus…
/r/MensRights08/01/14 02:17 AM
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No I'm serious. I see a lot of accusations and news articles posted here but no one seems interested in finding the actual stats. I am the kind of person who likes to look at actual stats rather than just go by my gut impressions. Maybe men do receive harsher punishments in domestic violence cases but I'm not going to just assume that this is the case because of one story about a woman behaving badly.
/r/MensRights08/01/14 02:05 AM
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Are they really more appropriate though? Even /u/threemorereasons admits that these cases were more violent. Its also important not to forget that the number of times that a person has been convicted also has bearing on how harsh their sentence is. In the first case the man had 15 previous convictions for domestic violence. In the second case the man not only stabbed his pregnant ex in the abdomen 9 times but he also admitted that it was attempted murder. The third guy stabbed his girlfriend rep…
/r/MensRights07/01/14 04:45 AM
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Being openly against men's right's groups doesn't in any way suggest that this group would lie about their statistics but I will admit that it is an old study. That is part of the reason I posted an actual example of a man receiving an even lower sentence for committing a similar crime against a woman just below my first post which is what you actually asked for. I'm just saying that unless you have some evidence suggesting that men routinely receive harsher punishments than woman in domestic vi…
/r/MensRights07/01/14 04:28 AM
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I don't know what are the chances? Have you actually looked into what the average sentence for this kind of crime is? It would be interesting to find out don't you think?
/r/MensRights07/01/14 03:05 AM
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Also this: http://www.newser.com/story/179685/mans-sentence-write-boys-do-not-hit-girls-5k-times.html Just saying, it really is important to look at how both men and women are sentenced in these cases before you jump to the conclusion that this is sexist. The woman in the above story also suffered pretty extreme injuries and her abuser only served 6 months (plus writing lines). Maybe the problem isn't to do with sexism but rather with overly lenient sentences overall.
/r/MensRights07/01/14 03:03 AM
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It says here that the average prison sentence for men who kill their female partners is 2-6 years. http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/domviol/facts.htm
/r/MensRights07/01/14 02:53 AM
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Well as I said elsewhere, I am not an American and I cannot speak to the current situation in the USA. All I can say is that at least some of the recent increase is due to the recognition of the fact that youths and adults can also have ADHD and that it is not a purely childhood disorder. We've also gotten better at recognizing ADHD in children (in particular, girls with ADHD are being given more attention) which also serves to partially explain the increases. There may be a problem with over di…
/r/MensRights18/12/13 12:37 AM
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Wait what? At this point I'm just going to assume that you're trolling because I simply cannot comprehend how anyone could actually believe this. Of course society makes up roles! Where do you think cultural differences come from? People make things up for no good reason all the freaking time. It's why we still talk about nature versus nurture. Also women were not perpetually pregnant for their entire lives and even if they were there is no reason to believe that this had any effect on the evolu…
/r/MensRights18/12/13 12:27 AM
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Most medications have some risk of side effects. This is why they have to be prescribed and you can't just pick them up at the grocery store. You need to be able to look at the risks versus the benefits. As I implied elsewhere, ADHD is not a risk free condition. There are quite a lot of dangers associated with ADHD. For instance increased risk of ending up in hospital for serious injuries, increased risk of developing depression, and increased risk of drug abuse to name but a few. Medication can…
/r/MensRights17/12/13 06:48 PM
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I'm not American so I can't comment on the diagnosis situation in the USA. I do know that there are some reasonable explanations for the increase in ADHD diagnosis which account for at least a portion of the increase. For instance, more youths and adults are now being recognized and diagnosed as having ADHD, this has lead to an increase in overall diagnoses. My problem with this article was not so much that it is concerned with over diagnosis. My problem was with the reasoning that the author us…
/r/MensRights17/12/13 06:40 PM
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There are some definite issues with that monkey study. The main one being that it was done with monkeys. Monkeys do lots of things that people don't do and we can't jump to grand conclusions about human nature based on studies done with monkeys. Another issue is that monkeys have no idea what Tonka trucks are. They could like them for completely different reasons than the reasons that humans like them. They could like them for the shininess or the colour or anything. We have no way of knowing wh…
/r/MensRights17/12/13 06:30 PM
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I gave you my example to show you how silly this line of reasoning is, not to suggest that women are actually attracted to power and men are meant to be protectors. My point is, how do you know any of these things about men and women? How do you know that we evolved this way? So far you've made a lot of claims but given me no reason to believe them.
/r/MensRights17/12/13 06:04 PM
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You see this kind of evo-psych thinking needs to be backed up with some actual evidence. What makes you so sure that men wan to hunt and women want to nest? Also what makes you think that trucks = power? Even if this is somehow proven to be true I could easily argue that trucks = power, women are attracted to power, therefore women like trucks. Or I could say dolls look like babies, men evolved to be protectors, babies need protecting therefore men should prefer dolls. Its backwards reasoning be…
/r/MensRights17/12/13 02:22 PM
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Do me one favor, explain how you think natural selection, a process that takes quite a long time, resulted in little boys liking Tonka trucks. You have a sample of three boys which is far from being anything worth thinking about. That terrible experiment you brought up also did a lot of other terrible things to those poor kids that also affected their well being. It was more than just raising the kid as a girl, the kids also reported some pretty terrible abuse at the hands of the experimenter. T…
/r/MensRights17/12/13 06:38 AM
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Why wouldn't I trust the diagnosis process? I am studying it after all. From what I've learned so far I feel the methods used to diagnose disorders like ADHD are perfectly legitimate. They may not be perfected yet but there certainly is no reason to not trust them. Diagnosis doesn't take place in schools anyways. Teachers don't get to diagnose children with anything so I'm not sure why you think all this is taking place in the school system.
/r/MensRights17/12/13 05:24 AM
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I never said that ADHD is never misdiagnosed and I never would say such a silly thing. The human brain is so complex that the occasional misdiagnosis is pretty much a given. This is especially true of things like ADHD which has a high co-morbidity with other childhood disorders making diagnosis more difficult. I also think that maybe I could have been more clear when I said medication is the best treatment. What I meant to say was that its the most effective treatment. Of course children with a …
/r/MensRights17/12/13 02:34 AM
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Sorry about how long it took me to get back to you, my internet died. I feel like I should reiterate that these differences are only on average. Overall girls and boys are more similar rather than dissimilar in how they express ADHD and in regards to brain abnormalities. More research into girls with ADHD is still needed (they have been very under studied in the past) and I still think it's safe to say that ADHD is more common in boys than in girls even if girls are under-diagnosed. The only thi…
/r/MensRights17/12/13 02:08 AM
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More good questions. To keep it simple, the drugs given to children with ADHD affect the neurotransmitter dopamine ( a brain chemical which plays a major role in ADHD). They aren't meant to alter the actual structures of the brain (although there are some studies suggesting they might actually help normalize structural abnormalities) so much as they are regulating the release of dopamine. I'm glad that you brought up the fact that lots of kids out grow their ADHD. There are a few things to take …
/r/MensRights17/12/13 02:03 AM
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Very true, but this I still don't think this makes this a men's rights issue. These gender differences do make it more difficult to recognize ADHD in girls (on average) and we do need to work on correcting this but its not as if these difficulties were intentionally created. What I'm trying to say is that the noisy, hyper kid running around the classroom is more likely to be noticed than the inattentive kid whose always losing their pens. It just so happens that the noisy kid is more likely to m…
/r/MensRights16/12/13 08:47 PM
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Well I don't actually know how much risk there is for ADHD medication causing brain bleeds. What I do know is that children with ADHD are more than 3 times as likely to experience serious accidental injuries as a result of their impulsiveness, motor inhibition and lack of planning and forethought. If medication can help alleviate these symptoms and lower their risks of seriously injuring themselves then we really need to be weighing the risks against the benefits.
/r/MensRights16/12/13 08:12 PM
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I replied to your question and someone else's in another post but I just wanted to add something I forgot to mention. One other reason you may see doctor's prescribing medications before an "adequate" diagnosis is made may be because of how long it can take to get a formal diagnosis. A doctor might be completely convinced that a child has ADHD but the wait lists for formal diagnosis can be exceedingly long. If a medication doesn't pose any serious risks then I wouldn't be surprised if doctors st…
/r/MensRights16/12/13 07:43 PM
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Good questions, one reason for the increase in diagnosis is that as time goes by we get better and better at recognizing the symptoms and this combined with more people learning about the disorder means that less kids are falling through the cracks. Kids are less likely to simply be called "bad" and more likely to be recognized as having an actual condition. There are other possible reason but this is one of the most likely and personally it makes the most sense to me. As far as doctors not perf…
/r/MensRights16/12/13 07:36 PM
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I'm actually studying abnormal child psychology right now and ADHD is an actual thing and currently the best treatment we have available is medication. There are measurable brain and neurological differences between kids with ADHD and kids without. For example, one common difference is that children with ADHD have smaller right prefrontal cortex than children without ADHD. There's lots of other measurable differences too. The medications used to treat ADHD help approximately 80% of children with…
/r/MensRights16/12/13 06:55 PM
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You can't just point to the mensrights subreddit and say "there's your proof." I think you misunderstand the concept of burden of proof. Its not about who started the argument, its about whoever is making claims. In this case both of us are making claims so both of us share the burden of proof. You are making wild assertions regarding the nature of the world and feminism and I'm saying that you're wrong. You want me to prove that women have it worse than men world wide. I'll admit that's a hard …
/r/MensRights11/12/13 03:55 AM
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I have to admit I find it pretty funny that you are accusing me of not citing my claims when your entire argument is lacking in citations of any kind. I have never said that there aren't issues affecting men too. In fact I'm pretty sure I admitted that there are some serious human right's issues that effect men and that they are what you men's righter's should be focused on instead of whining that feminists are not. I also never said that classism didn't exist but guess what? You can have both c…
/r/MensRights10/12/13 10:48 PM
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I want to make sure I've got a clear idea of exactly what you're arguing. Are you suggesting that overall men have it worse world wide than women, or that men have it as bad as women worldwide? Because I think you'll find that both these ideas are wrong. On the other hand, if you agree with me that women have it worse worldwide than men do then whats the problem with my suggesting that you look at the bigger picture? Patriarchies clearly still exist in a big way. I think that if you need to narr…
/r/MensRights10/12/13 01:40 AM
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http://tiny-tidbits.blogspot.ca/2013/10/promoting-patriarchy-women-to-women_16.html As requested, here's an example of a feminist admitting that women promote the patriarchy too. Please note that this article provides a very good example of why the concept of patriarchy is still valid. Its valid because lots of people live outside your own part of the world and women still get the shit end of the stick in many countries. If you look at the world as a whole, then you should notice that women on a…
/r/MensRights09/12/13 07:28 PM
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So you're saying there was actually nothing worse about the way the girls bullied you, it was more about how you felt you could respond to the bullying.
/r/MensRights20/10/13 08:19 PM
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Pardon me for asking but how do you know that being bullied by girls is worse than being bullied by boys if you went to an all boys school?
/r/MensRights20/10/13 07:35 PM
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