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| 23 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option? | ryhntyntyn | /r/MensRights | 24/02/13 08:22 PM |
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| 66 | 14 Year old Outclasses a Grown Woman who tries to assault him. [xpost /r/videos/]Not only level headed but extremely coordinated, I would not have been able to have that argument from a hoverboard while filming like he did. | /r/PussyPassDenied | 03/11/16 08:05 AM |
| 14 | PZ Myers retracts rape allegation post (and this post). Tries to have one more final dig at Michael Shermer's character.I thought there was nothing too overboard about the her AMA. Plus bringing his daughter into this is a low blow. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 08:10 AM |
| 2 | Why can't paternity tests just be a matter of law in hospitals when a baby is born.Paternity Tests are allowed in Germany. I had one for my first daughter. And will have one for the next as well. They have to be approved by both parents. What is not allowed is getting them without both parents' approval unless custody is only in the hands of one parent. | /r/MensRights | 29/07/13 09:17 AM |
| 1 | Reversing feminist quotes. I ask myself, what is the difference between a feminist and a chauvinist? Nothing, they think the same.That would greatly depend on whether they did it out of a love of themselves or a hatred of everybody else. And frankly, whiteness in itself really is too broad a category to celebrate. | /r/MensRights | 26/07/13 06:46 PM |
| 5 | Reversing feminist quotes. I ask myself, what is the difference between a feminist and a chauvinist? Nothing, they think the same.All racism should be rejected out of hand. | /r/MensRights | 26/07/13 02:22 PM |
| 3 | Reversing feminist quotes. I ask myself, what is the difference between a feminist and a chauvinist? Nothing, they think the same.The reasoning behind this would be the following. White Power already exists. Black Power doesn't. White Power advocates are usually either idiots or crazy or both. Edit for clarity. | /r/MensRights | 26/07/13 07:40 AM |
| 1 | Banned from posting in AtheismPLus because i support equality, not feminism.Why bother with Atheismplus? No one doesn't know what it's like there. Tombraider. Metroid. Any fighting Game. | /r/MensRights | 13/06/13 11:27 AM |
| 1 | My boyfriend and I were fooling around consensually, and he came in his pants (seven years ago). I won't call the cops, but I want him to apologize.The 'exploring sexuality" is something I suspect the 21 year old her is saying. I don't think they used those words when they were 14. Also at 14 making out is not consent to heavy petting. Maybe I'm an old man now but kissing and making out was only first base. Consent to different acts comes in stages. Kissing doesn't mean consent to taking off clothes, groping, or even hands on the boobs. Those things are consented to in stages during the act itself. And therein might lie the problem. | /r/MensRights | 24/05/13 05:40 AM |
| 1 | My boyfriend and I were fooling around consensually, and he came in his pants (seven years ago). I won't call the cops, but I want him to apologize.Indeed. | /r/MensRights | 24/05/13 05:23 AM |
| 0 | My boyfriend and I were fooling around consensually, and he came in his pants (seven years ago). I won't call the cops, but I want him to apologize.I am a man. Thus, you are full of shit as well. I am not even a feminist or white knight. This further proves my point that this sub has been taken over by monkeys with internet access. | /r/MensRights | 23/05/13 07:50 PM |
| -2 | My boyfriend and I were fooling around consensually, and he came in his pants (seven years ago). I won't call the cops, but I want him to apologize.Completely barking up the wrong tree. You're an idiot. Fuck off. | /r/MensRights | 23/05/13 05:30 PM |
| -3 | My boyfriend and I were fooling around consensually, and he came in his pants (seven years ago). I won't call the cops, but I want him to apologize.No. That's stupid and condescending so fuck you. No. Of course not. It's like I explained here if you would read the thread thoroughly before going full frontal idiot, there are situations that occur in life that end up being no one's fault, like the one brought to us by the OP, or the woman in your example. They are awful, and the people end up freaked out by them, but there is no one to blame, and no one from whom to seek recompense as a result, but the feeling of being violated is still someh… | /r/MensRights | 23/05/13 04:51 PM |
| -2 | My boyfriend and I were fooling around consensually, and he came in his pants (seven years ago). I won't call the cops, but I want him to apologize.Just to better clarify, I think it can be possible that she was violated if that's the right word, without the boy being the violater. Unless he was holding her down while she was shrieking and humping her like a schnauzer, (And that's not what she said happend) then it's not the Boy, but rather the situation. Imagine a girl who throws up on her date, it's not her fault, it's the situation. | /r/MensRights | 23/05/13 02:04 PM |
| 0 | My boyfriend and I were fooling around consensually, and he came in his pants (seven years ago). I won't call the cops, but I want him to apologize.She also could have said it wasn't murder, or an elephant, and her statement would have been just as accurate. It so clearly isn't rape, that it shouldnt even be mentioned. Jein. On the one hand I disagree. I think it's good that she mentioned it, but only the way she did. It heads off all of the possible, "OMG you were raped call the police now!!!" comments. And it bears thinking about because it's a sexual event, and she makes the right call. I think the question in today's society is sadly a … | /r/MensRights | 23/05/13 01:49 PM |
| -2 | My boyfriend and I were fooling around consensually, and he came in his pants (seven years ago). I won't call the cops, but I want him to apologize.The problem is that she even toyed with the idea that it was rape. Where in the article does she toy with the idea? For the most part, this hasn't scarred me too much. I'm comfortable with my sexuality. However, it's very painful for me to think about what happened. I also avoid having sex with someone on top of me, because it reminds me of what happened and I start panicking. I want some closure so I can move on with my life. I don't want to report him to the police because it's not necessary—i… | /r/MensRights | 23/05/13 01:06 PM |
| -8 | My boyfriend and I were fooling around consensually, and he came in his pants (seven years ago). I won't call the cops, but I want him to apologize.This post is troll bait. As usual some of the sub have taken it. Also some of you need fucking therapy. Savage is almost spot on. He walked the middle path on this one. But missed the biggest flag: A few points. She points out she wasn't raped. She doesn't think of it as rape. Rape is a no starter. Why discuss it? She felt violated, because she was. She didn't ask for her boyfriend to dry hump her. They were kissing, but contrary to what I've read in this thread, making out is not consent to sex… | /r/MensRights | 23/05/13 10:32 AM |
| 1 | Mom abandons kids for 11 years. No child support to the father. "Nothing illegal" Link to the story inside.I hope he doesn't have to pay it back. | /r/MensRights | 02/05/13 08:59 PM |
| 8 | Mom abandons kids for 11 years. No child support to the father. "Nothing illegal" Link to the story inside.Sure, I don't dispute that at all, and you have my sympathy, but you were ordered to pay. That's not the case here. Edit. If he had gone and gotten a support order, it would be different, but I don't think you can get one against someone who is missing mysteriously. | /r/MensRights | 02/05/13 07:47 PM |
| 5 | Mom abandons kids for 11 years. No child support to the father. "Nothing illegal" Link to the story inside.Yep. He did get the last laugh though. Shame he had to wait 11 years for it. | /r/MensRights | 02/05/13 06:54 PM |
| 47 | Mom abandons kids for 11 years. No child support to the father. "Nothing illegal" Link to the story inside.Obviously, the woman is a nutjob or a deadbeat or both, but the headline is a bit misleading. Why would there be child support? She left before the divorce was finalized. They were still married, and child support requires a child support order. He apparently never filed one. And years later had to have her declared dead. Can you even file for child support from a person who has gone missing when you are named as a suspect? He raised his kids and moved on with his life. I don't think the dad com… | /r/MensRights | 02/05/13 03:24 PM |
| -1 | My English teacher puts a Calvin and Hobbes at the bottom of each vocab unit. I found today's a good description of a lot of feminism today.Ah. Understood. I sometimes have trouble parsing double negatives. | /r/MensRights | 25/04/13 01:31 PM |
| 0 | My English teacher puts a Calvin and Hobbes at the bottom of each vocab unit. I found today's a good description of a lot of feminism today.We don't censor (protest feminist rallies) Granted. But only in a limited sense. I can only comment every 10 minutes on this sub. we don't pretend that there are no issues that effect only women This one kind of confused me. I also like to think we are less hypocritical, but that's just an opinion. A tough opinion to defend. People in ideological struggles tend to veer towards hypocrisy. | /r/MensRights | 25/04/13 01:09 PM |
| 1 | My English teacher puts a Calvin and Hobbes at the bottom of each vocab unit. I found today's a good description of a lot of feminism today.How could you then have trope MRAs and Trope Feminists and have them both be completely justified? | /r/MensRights | 25/04/13 12:49 PM |
| 1 | My English teacher puts a Calvin and Hobbes at the bottom of each vocab unit. I found today's a good description of a lot of feminism today.So basically you are saying that over there, MRA's are bad. Over here, Feminsts are bad. What's the difference? | /r/MensRights | 25/04/13 12:39 PM |
| -1 | My English teacher puts a Calvin and Hobbes at the bottom of each vocab unit. I found today's a good description of a lot of feminism today.There's plenty of that in this side of trench as well though. | /r/MensRights | 25/04/13 08:26 AM |
| 11 | My English teacher puts a Calvin and Hobbes at the bottom of each vocab unit. I found today's a good description of a lot of feminism today.It's a good description on any side of any ideologically driven conflict. | /r/MensRights | 25/04/13 08:16 AM |
| 5 | My English teacher puts a Calvin and Hobbes at the bottom of each vocab unit. I found today's a good description of a lot of feminism today.I am a man. I'm also not a feminist. I have experienced a good amount of what you say we don't do. And on this board. Even recently. And I don't think that no true MRA is going to cut it. There are plenty of people who treat Men's rights as a way to fight the enemy, rather than a way to help a friend or a brother. Hate is both driving and poisoning the movement at the same time. | /r/MensRights | 25/04/13 08:04 AM |
| -2 | The public discourse about sexual assaults hits an all-time low: first, keeping an open mind about a rape investigation is 'rape apology'; now, calling for due process on campus is 'rape culture' andIt's a repost, of your deleted post. It is still mischaracterizing the Jezebel post and the Parsons case in general. The fact that I am defending a Jezebel post says alot about how low you went. The discussion thread on the Frisky article is actually not the horror filled train wreck one would assume. It's frankly not a new low. The Frisky article wasn't even SRS light. Just typical 3rd wave reactionary stuff. Nothing new. Certainly not a new low. Just the same old BS. And the Jezebel article...… | /r/MensRights | 22/04/13 07:42 PM |
| 0 | New Zealand man jailed for watching cartoon pixies and elves having sexWhen people need sex, they seek it out. A pedophile's prospective list of satisfying partners from which to seek out sex are all victims. The children they are attracted to are not available, and well that they aren't. But anyway, the law in N Z is simple, don't want jail? Don't download objectionable materials. Especially if you're a convicted pedophile. Good Luck. | /r/MensRights | 22/04/13 05:30 PM |
| 0 | New Zealand man jailed for watching cartoon pixies and elves having sexWhat "balance"? If a law punishes someone for doing something that hurt nobody, and could never have hurt anyone, then it's bad law. I disagree. Victimless crime and whether this fits there are debateable. But that doesn't make it ok to criminalise expressions that don't harm anyone. Depends on the country. By and large N Z seems to not have problem with Child Porn or Simulated Child Porn being banned. They aren't marching in the streets demanding their daily dose. It's been happening quite alot… | /r/MensRights | 22/04/13 02:04 PM |
| -1 | New Zealand man jailed for watching cartoon pixies and elves having sexThe debate on victimless crime is complicated. I did mention upstairs somewhere that this requires balance. And it does. There's no real difference between that and someone deciding that men's rights material is similarly objectionable. Freedom of Expression is not now nor has it ever been in any country, an absolute. And convincing people that Men's rights materials are objectionable enough to ban them would be a stretch. No one, or very few people would publically advocate for child porn. Men'… | /r/MensRights | 22/04/13 01:22 PM |
| -6 | The public discourse about sexual assaults hits an all-time low: first, keeping an open mind about a rape investigation is 'rape apology'; now, calling for due process on campus is 'rape culture' andThere is almost nothing objectively known about this case There is plenty known about the case. and you are attacking the people that want due process. The only thing I attacked was this shitty OP and it is a shitty OP for reasons that are outlined and apparent. Due process was denied the Parsons family from the get go. Now that they have reopened the investigation there's a chance to straighten part of that out, but it's too late for Rehtaeh, the poor kid is dead. | /r/MensRights | 22/04/13 01:12 PM |
| -9 | The public discourse about sexual assaults hits an all-time low: first, keeping an open mind about a rape investigation is 'rape apology'; now, calling for due process on campus is 'rape culture' andDo you deny that the girl was 15? That the taking pictures and distributing them was illegal on account of her age? That providing her with alcohol was illegal on account of her age? That she could not give consent to group sex or pornographic photos on account of her age? The issue here is was the girl raped? Yes, she was. She was not old enough to give consent, and she was insensate. The alcohol, and the pictures were flat out illegal as well. And saying we need to keep an open mind about that… | /r/MensRights | 22/04/13 01:00 PM |
| -2 | New Zealand man jailed for watching cartoon pixies and elves having sexGranted. But, we keep bouncing in between the general and the specific. I was commenting on the "inherent conditions" aspect that we were almost discussing. The "inherent" nature of pedophilia makes them a danger because their target group is children. That's the difference between you and your gayness and the attractions a pedophile feels. Other than that, the inherency is the same. Something happened to your brain to cause a dysjunction between your biological phenotype and your reproductive c… | /r/MensRights | 22/04/13 12:44 PM |
| -5 | The public discourse about sexual assaults hits an all-time low: first, keeping an open mind about a rape investigation is 'rape apology'; now, calling for due process on campus is 'rape culture' andThis was the question.: Considering these facts, and they are the facts:Where are you going to slide in an "open mind" about Rehteah Parson's particular case? It's no surprise that you and/or the OP, have no answer. | /r/MensRights | 22/04/13 12:29 PM |
| -2 | New Zealand man jailed for watching cartoon pixies and elves having sexThe law under which he was prosecuted exists on the basis that (it is claimed) his actions indicated he might commit a crime in the future. The law exists because N Z doesn't want child porn in the country. He had porn that the law considered to fall under the ban on child pornography. He was sentenced for it. That part is simple. Whether they were watching him on account of his record is another matter. There's no conceptual gap between laws criminalising "objectionable" porn and "objectionable… | /r/MensRights | 22/04/13 11:48 AM |
| -7 | The public discourse about sexual assaults hits an all-time low: first, keeping an open mind about a rape investigation is 'rape apology'; now, calling for due process on campus is 'rape culture' andYour post is what idiot looks like. I am not a feminist. | /r/MensRights | 22/04/13 11:37 AM |
| -7 | The public discourse about sexual assaults hits an all-time low: first, keeping an open mind about a rape investigation is 'rape apology'; now, calling for due process on campus is 'rape culture' andThe Jezebel article was about a specific case of rape. Not about the presumption of innocence in general. And in that specific case, keeping an open mind, when the facts are out, is a case of turning a blind eye. This is half a spammy repost in any case, [because you already posted a similar article from CoTWA] (http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1co8lq/new_low_jezebel_writer_suggests_keeping_an_open/) before, even though you removed your name as OP and all of your comments, (the name o… | /r/MensRights | 22/04/13 08:23 AM |
| -1 | New Zealand man jailed for watching cartoon pixies and elves having sexIt is an interesting concept. The biggest difference is that there is no harm in consenting adult gay relationships. Pedophiles cannot have the "relationships" they want without doing harm and so far they cannot be cured. | /r/MensRights | 22/04/13 05:32 AM |
| 0 | New Zealand man jailed for watching cartoon pixies and elves having sexWell, played, Batman. Well, played. | /r/MensRights | 22/04/13 05:21 AM |
| -1 | New Zealand man jailed for watching cartoon pixies and elves having sexClark did in fact commit a crime. So that's a non starter. Cool, so the state decides what's "objectionable" Yes. In N Z they do. Specifically to refer to child and heavily violent and degrading pornorgraphy. Obviously if you are into that, then don't be into it in N Z. Barring that don't go there. The laws in question are about printed material. So far as I know, the 2005 law doesn't reference Men's rights literature as objectionable. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/13 11:22 PM |
| -1 | New Zealand man jailed for watching cartoon pixies and elves having sexYou'd better ring up Auckland. Having, never examined these issues before, the government needs your opinion and links, now. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/13 11:12 PM |
| 0 | New Zealand man jailed for watching cartoon pixies and elves having sexNope? So balance is not required? You prefer some thing more extreme? The crime is simple. Possession of objectionable material. He had it. Who decides if it's objectionable? The State. 3 months. Does the State have a duty to prevent recidivism in sexual offenders, whose crimes are less crimes of opportunity and more due to inherent conditions? Dunno. Maybe. It's a tough call. Balance probably is required after all. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/13 10:37 PM |
| 0 | New Zealand man jailed for watching cartoon pixies and elves having sexCollective response? No really, N Z is a sovereign nation. The Films, Videos and Publications Classification Amendment Act of 2005 defines what is considered objectionable material. Clark had it and he has gotten 3 months for it. No alleged about it. Additionally. Clark wasn't punished because of his gender. He broke the law. The The Films, Videos and Publications Classification Amendment Act 2005 is gender neutral. This is not an issue of a man being being oppressed for his gender. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/13 10:22 PM |
| -1 | New Zealand man jailed for watching cartoon pixies and elves having sexI think you protest too much. Clark is a convicted multiple victim sex offender. Not an alleged suspect. Getting off to anthropomorphicized 'pixies' drawn like young children having sex is not apparently according to N Z law, ok; either for him, or anyone else in N Z. If you don't like it, then don't go to N Z. Barring that you could write a strongly worded letter to the High Court. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/13 09:43 PM |
| -1 | New Zealand man jailed for watching cartoon pixies and elves having sexbut can you source the statements you made here? Can do When someone has paid their debt, then the debt to society is paid. But if someone remains a danger to that society, or is on their way back to the behaviours that made them a danger, then that requires some sort of corrective action as well. Balance is required. I don't think there's an easy answer. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/13 07:36 PM |
| -1 | New Zealand man jailed for watching cartoon pixies and elves having sexRonald Clark is a convicted ephebeophile/pedophile who showed no remorse for the drugging and continued sexual abuse of multiple boys as young as 11. He was sentenced to 10 years probation starting in 1996. Regardless of how you view hentai in general, he was under surveillance for exactly these reasons. His condition, is not helped by observing any type of ephebic or pedophilic themed erotica, and doing so pushes him back towards being a public menace. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/13 04:56 PM |
| -4 | New Low: Jezebel writer suggests keeping an open mind about a rape accusation is "rape apology"At the risk of being downvoted to Tartarus. (Which has never stopped me before) This is a case of a rape with photographic evidence. There is always a foundation of saying, innocent until proven guilty, obviously. But it's not a he said she said case, when you can see the thing with your own eyes. And the RCMP agrees and has reopened the case. Also: Jezebel can pucker up and kiss my ass. | /r/MensRights | 19/04/13 04:28 PM |
| 10 | Woman who works at College Admissions Rejects Students for "Dripping with White Male Privilege"No. Really guys, it's a trap. Don't go here. It's so obvious. | /r/MensRights | 18/04/13 08:22 AM |
| 0 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.That's not a quote, I will assume that you won't be bringing one. Unfair I know, because no quote exists of me saying she did nothing wrong, you ass. And I do not agree with you. What she did was wrong on so many levels that it defies simple description. A con is simply not fitting when the danger of being taken advantage of is so obvious. Is a casino a con? The is no game inside where the odds are in your favour. Not a single one. The house will always win in the end. But, we would call a man w… | /r/MensRights | 29/03/13 08:57 PM |
| 0 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.If I did then you should have no trouble finding it. And neither will anyone reading this little detour. Bring the quote or roll over and pee on yourself. | /r/MensRights | 29/03/13 01:13 PM |
| -1 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.I'll tell you what Fucko, you find me a quote where I said "that she did nothing wrong" and we can talk. Until then go back to trying to suck your own dick. | /r/MensRights | 29/03/13 12:38 PM |
| 0 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Yawn. My complete statement on the subject is summed up below She was wrong. He was stupid, then he doubled up by being a douche. This: First you s...blah blah blah, peter is missing vital chromosomes blah blah blah .. was conning him. Just shows you're an idiot. Feel free to continue to demonstrate, but you have proved that already. It's amazing you are allowed to live unsupervised. | /r/MensRights | 29/03/13 09:29 AM |
| -1 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.You're a moron. She was wrong. He was stupid, then he doubled up by being a douche. If a man assumes and maintains his own contraception without assigning agency to someone else then it won't happen. Therefore if a man is concerned that it will, the only action to take is to ensure that it won't. Duh. An ounce of prevention prevents a pound of cure. That is unarguable. But you are in love with victimhood, that is the real clueless stupidity here. Not only are you failing at adopting feminist tro… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/13 10:07 PM |
| -1 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Oh fuck off, I'm right here, and I'm not the one who is intellectually bankrupt. I showed quite clearly every talking point that I made, and your only argument is that it's better to achieve victimhood, rather than simply call the situation what it is and take preventative measures to insure that this doesn't happen. Here's a hint, nimrod, you can't stop a murder from wanting to murder you. You can sure as hell keep them out of your house. And you might not be able to stop a woman from wanting t… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/13 06:36 PM |
| -1 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Oooh that's Rich! And fat, like your head. Thus the murderer was arrested and put in jail long before he got to my house, Why? The murderer isn't a murderer until she murders you. And your cheap door is unlocked and the windows are still open. Idiot. Either that, or society recognizes that I am the victim and gives me the legal tools to fight back Nope. You don't get to be a victim, until you are victimized. That's how western law works. Only after the fact. And society doesn't give you anything… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/13 05:56 PM |
| -2 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Ah yes. The actions of a true hero. | /r/MensRights | 28/03/13 05:42 PM |
| -1 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Yeah, the murderer is still a murderer. And in this simulation you're still dead. Moron. Small consolation to you or your family Not really Yes really. Cause they are also dead too, idiot. The cops are still going to go after the murderer with guns drawn and either apprehend him or kill him in the process Super. You and your dead family will be thrilled. Shame you didn't spend 20 bucks more on the door and forgot to close the windows that night. An ounce of prevention saves a pound of cure. You … | /r/MensRights | 28/03/13 05:00 PM |
| -2 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.And if you fail to lock the door at all? Small consolation to you or your family that morals without action weren't eniugh to keep them safe. Cut the bullshit. It is a given that your own BC is your responsibility. If you take care of yourself this kind of thing will NOT happen. You are so obsessed with attaining victimhood that you don't see the value in avoiding victimhood. | /r/MensRights | 28/03/13 03:39 PM |
| -1 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Don't you need to think about trusting someone? And he kept having sex with her after she told him. You really think his level of justified trust equates with what you feel you have with your wife? | /r/MensRights | 28/03/13 03:29 PM |
| 0 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Man or Woman: There is no reason to abrogate the personal responsibility of managing your own birth control....Unless you reach levels of trust that equal a lifelong commitment. That's not twisted. It's responsible. Having unprotected sex with someone you don't have justified and complete and utter trust in, is basically letting in an army (her legal right to support) with the backing of a foreign power (the courts) into your holy of holies. They don't have to occupy the temple mount and carry o… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/13 10:16 AM |
| -2 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.The trust you are talking about IS agency. You are turning the swimmer wrangling over to your wife by removing the possibility of an egg for them to fertilize. You trust her. The difference is hopefully not unjustifiably. You are still responsible for trusting someone else enough with your BC. The question is not one of trust, with the OP or anyone else, but whether the trust is justified. The OP didn't trust or not trust his ex. The OP didn't think at all. Then he went full frontal douchenozzle… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/13 09:58 AM |
| -2 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.If you turn your personal responsibility or agency over to someone else, then you are responsible for whatever they do to you with it. If a man covers his bases, it won't matter what she does. Same way for the woman. Why is that so hard to get across here? | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 10:46 PM |
| -5 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.If the woman is on the pill, and / or using other protection, then she minimizes her chance of getting pregnant, no matter how many holes he pokes. If she covers her bases, then it won't matter if he covers his and vice versa. Why is this so hard for you to get? Take care of yourself, and it won't matter. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 10:36 PM |
| -2 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Eat a bowl of shit. I'm a male. None of this is about feminism. If you give away your agency, then you are responsible for what someone else does to you with it. If a man covers his bases, it won't matter what she does. Why is that so hard for fucking cavemen like you to understand? You are a complete and utter fucking waste of sperm. I hope your parents are proud of raising such a mouth breather. Idiot. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 10:21 PM |
| -1 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Wrong. No amount of wrongs add up to a right. If you turn your personal responsibility or agency over to someone else, then you are responsible for whatever they do to you with it. If a man covers his bases, it won't matter what she does. Same way for the woman. Why is that so hard to get across here? | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 10:08 PM |
| -1 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.If most of the time penis wins then you are saying that men are dick driven automatons. Is that too jargony? How about rutting beasts? Too 19th century? Dogs in heat? Seriously, it's a fair question. Are we men? are we thinking beings? or are we a slave then to King Dong, and Vaginette, the power behind the throne? Because if most of the time, penis wins, then all of this discussion is absolutely pointless. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 02:24 PM |
| -7 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Denied. This isn't black out rape. This isn't abuse. This isn't domestic violence. This is Douchebaggery. The OP is a douche. And you can take all those feminist tropes and shove them up your gaping ass. The responsibility for contraception is personal. Full Fucking Stop. You control your swimmers with a condom, or by changing the drop zone, or with a vasectomy, or whatever you need to use. You, not her. You give them to her, then you deserve what you get. You whingey little baby. TL;DR: If you … | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 02:18 PM |
| -7 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Fuck off. Two wrongs make two wrongs, not a right. How you handle adversity is the measure of you as a human being. OP ran like a baby. OP was a douche. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 02:11 PM |
| -13 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Because the responsibility for contraception is PERSONAL. You can't be "conned" in this particular situation unless you allow yourself to be "conned." | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 02:10 PM |
| -19 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Dear OP, You suck. This doesn't mean she wasn't wrong, to do what she did. But no one else is responsible for your contraception. You should have been wrapping it in the first place. And your irresponsibility is what led to being put in a position where someone else could victimize you. Victim blaming? No. Had you been wearing condoms, THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. You deserve no props, especially for the way you sped off at the end, like a fucking weasel. You are a class A douchebag. She sucks.… | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 09:36 AM |
| -8 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Because two douches make what? A Right? | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 09:27 AM |
| -5 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.OP makes "6 figures?" Did you read the original post? | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 09:26 AM |
| -24 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.The girlfriend conned him into having sex when he thought she was on BC No one got conned into sex. He KEPT sleeping with her. Read the original. OP is apparently loaded, and had unprotected sex. OP is a walking target, that says "Harness Me" | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 09:25 AM |
| -16 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.It's one thing to say that the OP did what he did to further his own interests. But to say there was any honour in either side, is more than just a stretch. It's BS. OP is a douche. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 09:23 AM |
| 1 | UPDATE 2: Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.So in the real world, in your opinion, men are nothing but dick-driven automatons? | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 09:21 AM |
| 2 | UPDATE:Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Having to pay for something/someone as a result of fraud and lies should not be considered okay by anybody. So the fraudulent way in which the baby in question was conceived makes it not his? | /r/MensRights | 11/03/13 04:00 PM |
| -3 | UPDATE:Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Ever visited Dachau or Auschwitz? I can assure you there is evil in the world. | /r/MensRights | 11/03/13 02:56 PM |
| -2 | UPDATE:Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Sure, but "he should have thought about that before" is the portion where he was negligent in taking care of himself, and therein lies his responsibility to all parties concerned. And he's still sleeping with her. It's all so fishy and poorly thought out. | /r/MensRights | 11/03/13 02:54 PM |
| 0 | UPDATE:Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.I vomited while I read it. How do you not vomit while thinking it, or just you know, being there while suggesting it? (If you upvote this, you are misunderstanding me entirely) | /r/MensRights | 11/03/13 02:51 PM |
| -4 | UPDATE:Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Do you care about that as much as you care about not paying child support? Nope. OP is a douche. | /r/MensRights | 11/03/13 02:49 PM |
| -2 | UPDATE:Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Stay classy. | /r/MensRights | 11/03/13 02:49 PM |
| -3 | UPDATE:Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.What is your objection to keeping the child and staying with the girl? Or simply paying the support for the child, if she has it? | /r/MensRights | 11/03/13 02:47 PM |
| 0 | UPDATE:Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Sure. Or have a meaningful relationship with someone who is at least something close to a similar life stage. Something like that. | /r/MensRights | 11/03/13 02:43 PM |
| -4 | UPDATE:Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.I can't believe that it's a legit OP in the first place. 6 figures. Who makes 6 figures and dates a cashier? Pretty woman was a movie. Anyone I know who makes that much comes from a class that is super careful about golddiggers. Greedy people guard their wealth and they don't date the poor. 6 figures my ass. Maybe he was counting the decimals. Still kinda risky/stupid... but I get the impression he is playing the "I love you, lets be happy, have a family (some other time), and live together fore… | /r/MensRights | 11/03/13 02:40 PM |
| -4 | UPDATE:Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Nah. He's still sleeping with her. She could have faked the whole thing, and still isn't on the pill. And he is doing her regularly sans condom, pulling out, to be SAFE. He has a six figure income and she works as a cashier. This is literally just the height of "Come catch me! I.HAVE.MUNNNEEEEHHH!!!!WHEEE!" There really is no excuse for being this irresponsible and somehow expecting there to not be any consequences. | /r/MensRights | 11/03/13 02:26 PM |
| 10 | UPDATE:Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.Why does no one else smell the bait? | /r/MensRights | 11/03/13 01:03 PM |
| -10 | UPDATE:Girlfriend stopped taking the pill without telling me, and is now pregnant. Says she wants to keep it. I'm extremely scared.This really feels like male rape and I can't really do anything about it. No it doesn't. You are still having consenual sex with her. You aren't being raped. Your "six figure" salary will be enough. If you live in a state where the support is capped you'll hardly notice it. And frankly, because you have been an idiot, and are continuing to be an idiot, you kind of deserve what you get. | /r/MensRights | 11/03/13 01:02 PM |
| 1 | 'My wife is stabbing me, she's trying to kill me ... please help'Now the old Royal Ulster Constabulary on the udder hand. Sitiation derdle derdle derdle 20 pinds ULSTER SAYS NO! Sitiation derdle derdle. | /r/MensRights | 07/03/13 01:41 PM |
| 2 | "...Open mic off limits to cis-gendered men (we all know you talk enough)". And they really wonder why some people feel feminism is anti-male.Because we don't kill, banish or punish people for being different anymore. So we have to learn to get along. That means as long as no one is getting hurt, it is ok. These are mostly conditions that cannot be helped. There's nothing for it. | /r/MensRights | 05/03/13 09:04 PM |
| 7 | "...Open mic off limits to cis-gendered men (we all know you talk enough)". And they really wonder why some people feel feminism is anti-male.An easier way to say it is that it's ok, because it is ok, but it isn't "Normal". | /r/MensRights | 05/03/13 09:38 AM |
| 7 | Feminists on saying no to sex: " I think that men say no as a way to regain power.""I think that men say no as a way to regain power" On the one hand, men say no, like people say no. Because they don't want to. And it ends there. My body, my self. No means no. Basta. It's none of her business why he said no, and he doesn't have to explain himself. She is entitled to nothing. "I think that men say no as a way to regain power" And on the other hand, Hell. Yes. They would regain power. Over themselves. And they should. It's their right. Men aren't sub-humans that turn into a rutt… | /r/MensRights | 02/03/13 01:46 PM |
| 0 | BF is a rapist when it suits her. The hypocrisy burns.What are you 12? This is pathetic. Like your OP. We're done. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 11:50 AM |
| 0 | BF is a rapist when it suits her. The hypocrisy burns.No really. You suck. Go troll someone who gives a shit. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 11:31 AM |
| 0 | BF is a rapist when it suits her. The hypocrisy burns.Whatever man, your OP is awful, you're trying to stir up trouble, but you are wrong from your first premise. Suck it up. That's not my fault. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 10:57 AM |
| 0 | BF is a rapist when it suits her. The hypocrisy burns.Nah, you are reaching so hard on this. That sounds like 100% organic bullshit. She knows, that she can't get a prosecution. She has ruled it out in her comments. So that's that. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 10:17 AM |
| 0 | BF is a rapist when it suits her. The hypocrisy burns.Except that in the comments she admits that she has no evidence, no case, that the police can't help, that she can't tell her supervisor, and that she doesn't want to give him the satisfaction of knowing that he hurt her. Soooo....it doesn't sound like false rape prep at all. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 07:00 PM |
| 0 | BF is a rapist when it suits her. The hypocrisy burns.That's not germane. Even if you made it up. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 05:16 PM |
| 1 | BF is a rapist when it suits her. The hypocrisy burns.Classy. If it did, then it was rape. If it did, then he is a person who raped her. If it did then she has no reason not to seek sympathy. And no reason to feel comfortable around him. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 05:03 PM |
| 1 | BF is a rapist when it suits her. The hypocrisy burns.Of course. Shock does strange things to your mind. I guess keeping your head in the situation would require nearly super human effort. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 05:00 PM |
| 2 | BF is a rapist when it suits her. The hypocrisy burns.Your point is, the fact that she continued seeing him after the assault, somehow makes unprotected penetration without consent, in the face of express refusal, somehow less illegal or violating. You are trying to say that "She must not have been that bothered right?" And that is not on. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 04:58 PM |
| 1 | BF is a rapist when it suits her. The hypocrisy burns.That doesn't change anything. She said something along the lines of "I don't want you to fuck me without a condom." He responded by holding her down and fucking her without a condom. Which part of that, sounds consensual to you? | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 04:51 PM |
| 1 | BF is a rapist when it suits her. The hypocrisy burns.He held her down. Not cool. Beyond not cool. Beyond that even. She should have gone to the cops right away. That's the only part I don't get. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 04:42 PM |
| 1 | Girl who cried RapeYou could google it... | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 03:19 PM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Social Engineering is a very dangerous thing to tinker with. Also the Dutch fought the sea, and won. You might be able to train a generation of men to behave, but the next generation of men will be largely populated by those who didn't. I am not sure of this. Were most children in previous generations where the rules were more closely, if not completely followed, illegitimate? | /r/MensRights | 26/02/13 11:01 AM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?You are perhaps the exception, the point I am trying to make is that if everyone was dealing with these issues as thouroughly and existentially as you, then the issues would be considerably lessened. | /r/MensRights | 26/02/13 10:55 AM |
| 2 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?being aware of a psychological mechanism does not make you immune to that mechanism. Agreed. It might however, increase your net chances of sucess though. Also I would note that in my experience, it's fairly normal for a woman to undergo a personality shift after having a child, and there are no predictors how the shift will effect them. Hahahah! Sorry. Sometimes a Lol just isn't good enough. You didn't just hit the nail, you decapitated it. It's like I have had children with 2 different women, … | /r/MensRights | 26/02/13 09:45 AM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Careless? Neither men nor women should be able to do so as long as the risk exists that they will create another human being who then has to suffer for their epicurean carelessness. Carelessness is not a virtue. Also, until you find a cure for evil and insanity, then this is and remains purely a fantasy. The responsibility for prudence starts with the individual. Telling "people" to keep it in their pants for a bit, at least, is simply good advice. So far no case has been made against that. It w… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 09:30 PM |
| 2 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Wrong. I think that people should keep it in their pants. I have said as much elsewhere on here. And you going aggro doesn't change the fact that the current laws are what is enforced. And thus logical or not, they are what you plan for and operate in. You can wish for different laws all you want. If you wish in one hand and shit in the other, I guarantee that one will fill up faster. And we don't need to shake on it. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 05:39 PM |
| 0 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?I can't pretend to decide on matters of law that does not exist. For your interest the closest laws that approximate these situations are laws concerning surrogate pregnancy. Which vary greatly from state to state. I personally wouldn't have sex with someone unless I was prepared to raise or pay for the kid, even if we were avoiding or trying to avoid conception. Contract arrangement or no, I do not think that Pregnant women who are actually intending to have a child should smoke or drink, and I… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 03:01 PM |
| 2 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Sure. I wouldn't disagree with any of that. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 02:53 PM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?This is the first blantantly rude post I have dealt with in this discussion. I have no time for people who aren't capable of being civilized. I'm simply ignoring you from here on out. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 02:52 PM |
| 0 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?This is only true because the law makes it so. Therefore it is true. If the law put the responsibility on those who have the ability to reduce the risk to almost nothing It is not. It probably won't. And even if it did, that's not the situation right now. and gave the freedom of choice to those who have to go in blind No one goes in blind except of their own free will. Give men the right to opt out of that, and the accidents stop happening. Through magic or telepathy? I try not to be too aggress… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 01:21 PM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Bismarck said something very similar. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 12:56 PM |
| 2 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Your use of the "if you don't want the responsibility of a child, then don't have sex argument." I was wondering if you only applied it to men. Nope. I believe that teaching little girls the falsity that men rut like animals and the second falsity that therefore they too should rut like animals is probably a disservice both to the men, the women, and the animals. So I would apply the idea of a bit more waiting across the genders. And to answer your edit. What are some of the conditions under whi… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 12:46 PM |
| 0 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?A little bit! BUt seriously, our laws retain different degrees of wrong. And there is a difference between a bad relationship and a calculating murderer. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 12:43 PM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?My bad, I mean the biological condition you pointed out is part of the problem, not the way you pointed it out. Apologies. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 09:49 AM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?I am not condemning the majority of anyone in my comments. Since any individual female could be Schrödinger's Psychopath, because you might have won the loser lottery, approach with caution. I and only I dictate what my options are. Tell that to the friend of the court as they Garnish your wages. What a man does is his business. Until a judge says otherwise. If the legal field is tilted at a disadvantage to men, then ignoring that disadvantage is unwise. That's like asking why is females keeping… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 09:04 AM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Insightful and honest. Thank you. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 08:58 AM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Amatorfati said it well, but think about this. Yes, the brakes could fail, but the chances in a well maintained auto from a reputable maker of autos are less. Why not check first? Would you impulsively buy a car with no research no inspection, except for a walk around and just drive it off the lot? | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 08:58 AM |
| 2 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?It would be nice but let's me fair, who wants to wait that long No one wants to wait that long. But that might be part of the problem. The waiting didn't come from wanting but from caution and community, there were reasons for it, and good ones. and even if you do how do you know that you really have the true measure of your other half. Of course. I agree. You never know, but when faced with Schrödinger's Psychopath, the choice between waiting and rushing in, seems obvious, but our biology is no… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 08:54 AM |
| 0 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?It has to be admitted, that the post no paternity continuing payments come because deadlines weren't met. Know the deadlines. Know the law. Protect yourself. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 08:51 AM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?I don't buy that line. It's not zero sum. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 08:50 AM |
| 2 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?The math doesn't make sense. And in polygamous societies a new wife every 5 to 7 years is the average. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 08:49 AM |
| 2 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?I agree, considering the field conditions, but why? Is it purely biological? That would be the sorriest reason of all. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 08:48 AM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?There are more scientific ways of saying the same thing, but that seems to be part of the problem. And also one of the reasons men continue to wear the blinders that help them snare themselves. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 08:46 AM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?The argument here of keep in your pants is a cautionary move, not a justification for unfair legislation. The legislation, whether liked or not, is the field in which you operate, wishful thinking leads to child support. And maybe there is something to telling women to hold off until they are more sure themselves as well. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 08:45 AM |
| -2 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Except that those cases are of determined poisoners. There's a slight difference between Nannie the giggling granny and gigi the welfare queen. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 08:43 AM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Sure. One doesn't subtract from the other, but it does warn the rest. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 08:40 AM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Those issues will continue to exist even if we all walked on eggshells. Yes, absolutely, but I think we can agree, that they would be greatly lessened. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 08:33 AM |
| 2 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Crying foul only falls on deaf ears in any case. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 08:32 AM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Tough call. Depends on the sitrep. Why? | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 08:31 AM |
| 2 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?You didn't want food poisoning? well then why did you go to an obviously shitty restaurant without reading a review? FTFY. I stress that I haven't said don't ever go out to eat. But if you choose a 1 star over a greasy spoon called Sophie's House of Razors, then you might avoid indigestion. it doesn't make sense to blame someone for doing whats natural, fun and pleasurable for everyone. What's fun and natural and pleasurable are the first 2 hours & the last 45 seconds, and the next 9 months to 1… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 08:31 AM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?By that standard it would depend on what class of women you are chasing in the first place. It would be no large accomplishment to sleep with someone for whom that would be satisfying. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 08:22 AM |
| 2 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Unfortunately the options that take it from one in a hundred to one in a million are entirely within the purview of women, to administer as they see fit while under no real obligation to disclose their birth control status to sexual partners. This is completely true, and since it is true, then all men who are having sex are dealing with Schrödinger's nutcase. That would indicate that caution is a necessary component of any intimacy. Accidental pregnancies wouldn't really be a thing if women were… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 08:14 AM |
| 2 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Although the sex is casual there is nothing casual about the consequences when something goes wrong. And the most libertarian an-cap might find themselves giving in to remorse and second guessing when the fire department that they didn't pay for watches their house burn down without helping. But you are right, it's a question of personal responsibility, but that means knowing that the law is not going to be on your side if something does go wrong. But I salute your level of owning it. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 08:10 AM |
| 4 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?To contracts? Favorable. They are upheld. Even verbal agreements are considered binding. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 08:06 AM |
| -4 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Maybe for women sleeping around also isn't such a good idea? Again, I am not proposing abstinence, but a bit of discretion would seem to go a long way. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/13 10:25 PM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Agreed. I am not suggesting a Panacea, more like an immunization against some strains of wishIhadn'tnadonethat. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/13 10:12 PM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Now that is insightful point. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/13 10:07 PM |
| -1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?I don't disagree with this on principle. But there are such things as movements and waves of cultural awareness. Things come and go, are known and forgotten, and people, even groups, dare I say it, men, can learn and more importantly relearn things. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/13 10:06 PM |
| 0 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?I don't take a lot of stock in what radicals, feminists or not would say in reaction to a common sense argument. Furthermore, society cheers on and lionises women who abuse men. They do. This is also a huge problem on the scale of a massive violation of human rights. but in either case, "just avoid the bad people" is an insufficient answer which misses the problem entirely. A. This mischaracterizes my argument a bit. There is a different between "Just avoid bad people" and "Try to figure out who… | /r/MensRights | 24/02/13 10:02 PM |
| 0 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Understood. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/13 09:54 PM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Fair enough. But keep in mind, it isn't just about avoiding the openly crazy. I'm thinking that maybe there is an issue in the screening process in general. Also, her sister's name is Sophie. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/13 09:53 PM |
| 2 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Or a mule. They work here, but I live in Germany. The legal system is a bit different in terms of contract law. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/13 09:50 PM |
| 4 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?It sure seems that way. Where did that come from? Mothers used to caution their sons against getting trapped, fooled, defrauded, and falling in with the wrong partner. When did that stop? | /r/MensRights | 24/02/13 09:48 PM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Granted. But that's one of those occurrences that you actually can't guard against, except with a prenuptial agreement. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/13 09:46 PM |
| 3 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?They do. They say a lot of things. I think this is one of the many things where they might not have gotten it right. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/13 09:45 PM |
| -2 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Yes and no. I'm going a little beyond, don't sleep with Suzi O. Path from the House of Razors on the first date. Wouldn't it be in men's interests to wait a bit and know that they aren't messing with something too volatile to make it worth it? | /r/MensRights | 24/02/13 09:43 PM |
| 2 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Yes, they can. I don't disagree. Not all, but wouldn't that increase the need for caution? | /r/MensRights | 24/02/13 09:40 PM |
| -4 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Waiting doesn't require effort. You can get to know someone quite well without fucking them. That's not trolling. It's common sense. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/13 09:31 PM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?telling women that if they don't want to get pregnant they should keep their knees together is misogynistic patriarchal oppression Do you really believe that it's misogyny? I don't. I think that waiting, at least a little while, is sound advice that radfems threw out the window in their rush to try to be men when men and women should have been learning to be people together. So the main answer I would give to this "why is it okay to tell the very same thing to men?" Would be because it would be … | /r/MensRights | 24/02/13 09:28 PM |
| 4 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?What you are implying is that a victim should take responsibility for the malice of others. I am not. I am saying very clearly that if you do something careless, and an evil person takes advantage of you, that they are responsible for their evil and you are responsible for your carelessness. If the world is full of feral people, wouldn't guarding against them be the right course? | /r/MensRights | 24/02/13 09:14 PM |
| 2 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?What I am doing is asking a question. And victim blaming is frowned upon because many corners of western society see blame as zero sum, and have a problem with the idea of taking responsibility. However, is it that far of a stretch to think that manipulative people might also happen to be good at it? So crazy hides really well. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/13 08:56 PM |
| 1 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?Bit of a sticky wicket. Sex makes babies. Contraception can fail. Caveat Empor? | /r/MensRights | 24/02/13 08:42 PM |
| 2 | Why is "keeping it in our pants" not an option?It's one thing for a relationship to go belly up and a man still has to pay for his kids' upbringing. It's another to be defrauded by your "wife" while you are in Iraq, or to be accused of rape by someone who consented to intercourse or to find out that you married someone who was HIV positive, or find years later that they aren't your kids. Are there not signs that these people are not all there? | /r/MensRights | 24/02/13 08:38 PM |
| 1 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."Hard times & hard situations call for hard words. You have another solution besides prudently avoiding feral women, and making it right when you've made a mistake? Then offer it. | /r/MensRights | 15/02/13 08:54 AM |
| 0 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."Which standard? If they have sex even once, they could get pregnant too. And they have to carry it and keep it from dying. They will not build a career while doing so. You have to pay for it. Seems fair. Sure. People do grow apart. But, after 20 years the kids should goddamned well be out of the house. And I don't know what you mean by many, but I don't think the vast majority of the world are sociopaths. Because the State will coerce her to do so, if she refuses, and the man has grounds. i am i… | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 05:28 PM |
| 0 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."You don't get 100%. You can get pretty close by the same methods that have always worked. Years of study and examination. There is no reason why a courtship should last all of a few months. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 04:50 PM |
| 0 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."At the end of the day, a man is responsible for who he has sex with. If you put it in, even once, a baby could come out. Know this. Be prepared for this every time, or simply don't do it. What the hell has happened that there are any men out there that don't get this? A man is responsible for who he chooses to marry. If he hasn't ferreted out whether or not she is of a good character, she sucks for sucking and he sucks for not figuring it out. Both are punished. Her for being rotten, and him for… | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 04:48 PM |
| 0 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."I care about the legal implications. You are implying that the man's rights alone are being restricted. They are not. The French law restricts everyone. In Germany all custodial parents have to give permission for any such tests. At the point where a married father is concerned that he has been made a Cornuto, then he needs to take appropriate steps. The law will enable him to do so. A single father in Germany is not responsible until he either accepts or is forced to accept paternity. And that … | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 04:14 PM |
| 2 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."Sorgerecht is the official right to make decisions for the child. If only one has it, the other has no rights at all. In married couples it's shared. And no important documents can be signed by just one, when they share Sorgerecht. Mandant means plaintiff in German. So yeah. Married couples can't do it in secrecy. And in a non married couple where Sorgerecht isn't shared, he can't do anything at all. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 02:32 PM |
| 3 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."Absolutely fucking wrong to the Nth Goddamned degree. Here's the quote from the citation that the wiki uses "The identification of a person by their genetic fingerprint ... outside of a judicial procedure" is punishable by a year in prison and a 15,000-euro fine, according to French law." And here is the law itself. And here mon ami, is a translation thereof. You are welcome. Ignorance is a sin. Go forth and sin no more. The endeavor to identify a person by DNA, when they are not a soldier who h… | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 02:23 PM |
| -1 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."A tangled web called responsibility? Yeah. Funnily enough, I don't think that at all. I am fucking thrilled with the recent EU court rulings that give unwed fathers more rights, and the right to petition for paternity, vistiation and custody on their own when the mother doesn't want them to have custody or paternity. Things are looking up for men on my continent. And I am continually horrified at my own little brother's nightmare of having broken rule number 1, and the Florida court's continuing… | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 01:54 PM |
| -1 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."Nope. In Florida if you can show (as in demonstrate, to a legal standard) that you have an inability to pay, then you won't go to prison. But, the lack of desire to pay, which in its inverse is a desire to ignore a court order, a desire to defy the law, will land you squarely and fairly in the big house. As it should. So a lack of desire to follow the dictates of a judge is not being thrown in jail for debt, but for defiance. And again, if you make 'em. You pay for 'em. And if you make 'em, you … | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 01:38 PM |
| 0 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."If she has multiple partners and has been deceitful about it there is a strong possibility that the claimed father is being lied to. That has no basis in statistical likelihood barring specific circumstances (like sperm count, and the pill, etc) that do not apply across the board. Those little swimmers will surprise you. Even a man with a low sperm count can have a child. Can you explain what you mean more clearly? Of course. Legally, and logically we do not assume that the man is not the father… | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 01:30 PM |
| 0 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."the bottom line is pay or go to jail. The reasons why you would go to jail are not sematics. If you refuse to follow a court order then you should go to jail. These have nothing to do with forcing a father to pay for a child he had no choice in having. They have EVERYTHING to do with it. Sex makes babies. Anytime you have sex, contraception could fail, the pill could fail, she could be lying about being on the pill. If you aren't ready to pay for a baby, then don't have sex. There is something t… | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 12:57 PM |
| -2 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."You are! Amazing isn't it? A debtor's prison is a prison that you go to because you don't pay your debts. You'll be in there, working it off. With other debtors. In Florida, as one example, when you don't pay your child support you go to a normal prison, with other criminals. Why? Because you are being held in criminal contempt of court. What's the charge? Contempt of Court. But you can try to call it whatever emotionally charged title you like and reap all the sympathy that you want. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 12:41 PM |
| -2 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."Funny the way perception works. All I can see from you is emotional immaturity & weakness. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 12:13 PM |
| -4 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."The law is gender neutral when the wording of a law is gender neutral. The impact of the law might not be, but in this case it is, because of biology and because of the actual impact of the law. Butthurt does not help men's rights. And fuck if it doesn't make the whingers look pathetic. A woman knows that she is one parent of a child. But the issue here isn't the mother. That has never been an issue because of biology. And the mother is barred in France at least, from seeking out this informatio… | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 11:35 AM |
| -1 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."Firstly, the father would not be the only one to not know. The mother knows that she is one parent, but if she had multiple partners then she also doesn't know who the father is. And if she had multiple partners and it turns out to be his anyway? Is there another situation where the wrong person believes he is the father and the mother would not him want to find out? This is begging the question. You don't start legal principles by assuming a premise is true, in this case that the man isn't the … | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 11:21 AM |
| 1 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."Nope. The Headline and wiki are both wrong on the German situtation. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 10:48 AM |
| -3 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."I'm sorry man or woman. But all the butthurt and emotional arguments don't change reality. Using the word custody, wasn't meant to imply that it's not jail. You're barking up the wrong semantic tree. Non-compliance with a court order will land you in jail. Not for debt, but for contempt. Or for violation of a law that says that you must pay your child support. Rule 1. Don't stick your dick in the crazy. Not even once. Rule 2. Don't put a ring on the crazy. Not even once. Rule 3. Have babies test… | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 10:41 AM |
| 0 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."The law is very clear in Germany. Neither parent should be able to order any kind of genetic testing on the child in secret. Women know their child is theirs. Men do not know. So what? The issue is not who the mother is, but who is the father. Yes. Women know the child is theirs, but depending on who they have slept with, they might not know which man is the father. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 10:31 AM |
| -4 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."But that's not Debtor's prison. Child Support is a court ordered payment. If you fail to obey any court order, you can be placed in custody until you do. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 09:43 AM |
| 1 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."The point. Circumcision isn't allowed anymore in Germany. §1631(d) of the Burgeliches Gesetz Buch tells us that it is allowed. And in response to DNA or Circumcision, the procedure is allowed if everyone with Sorgerecht agrees. If the mother or father are the only holders then they can order it done, provided they are within the confines of the law. The other parent has no rights unless they have Sorgerecht. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 09:41 AM |
| 1 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."German women are not actually included in the article that wikipedia cites from. It's a bunk headline and a poor citation. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 09:22 AM |
| 1 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."It surely is. For Jews and Muslims. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 09:17 AM |
| -6 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."Assumes the mother is always lying. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 09:16 AM |
| 3 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."The wiki is not to be believed. The linked article doesn't mention Germany, and the situation in Germany doesn't match your headline, not at all. The person in Germany who holds Sorgerecht can order a paternity test. If both hold Sorgerecht, then both have to agree. The law has nothing to do with preventing Divorce. In Germany, if custody is shared then both parteners have to sign for almost anything important. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 09:14 AM |
| 0 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."But they are. They could get permission from the courts. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 09:10 AM |
| -6 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."Where in the west do they have debtors' prison? | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 09:09 AM |
| 0 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."Not really. A book is there. The genetic code of the son or daughter has to be removed, sent to a lab, analysed and then read. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 09:08 AM |
| 2 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."Women would also be liable under the law in France. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 09:07 AM |
| 1 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."Without a court order in France, yes. In Germany, no, not if everyone who has custody agrees to the test. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 09:06 AM |
| 2 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."The headline is misleading. Paternity tests in France without a court order aren't legal. Taking a genetic fingerprint of anyone in France, without a court order isn't legal. The wiki sourced article doesn't mention Germany at all. In Germany it's different. It's a matter of who has custody (Sorgerecht). If the man doesn't have custody, he technically can't order any tests at all. If he shares custody he needs permission from the other custodial parent. And if he has sole custody he can order an… | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 09:06 AM |
| -4 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."That's kind of dumb. The law isn't against knowing if it's your child or not. The law is against taking a genetic fingerprint of anyone. The result is that you are prevented from finding out that it is yours without permission from the other person who has custody, or in France, the courts. It doesn't work backwards. Do not make this an emotional issue. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 09:02 AM |
| 1 | TIL that paternity tests are outlawed in France and Germany "due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them."It depends on whether Sorgerecht is shared or not. The article doesn't mention Deutschland or Germany at all. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 09:00 AM |
| 1 | Seems men in Germany have no reproductive rights at all - Mother fraudulently used a man's frozen sperm without his consent yet he is liable for support.You were pointing out South America. That was how it worked in the past. It doesn't work like that anymore. Besides that, although Germany won't allow other countries to take Germans out of Germany for a variety of reasons, if someone ran from here, they'll find them. | /r/MensRights | 05/02/13 03:43 PM |
| 2 | Seems men in Germany have no reproductive rights at all - Mother fraudulently used a man's frozen sperm without his consent yet he is liable for support.Doesn't work anymore. The Rattenweg is closed. | /r/MensRights | 05/02/13 02:48 PM |
| 2 | Seems men in Germany have no reproductive rights at all - Mother fraudulently used a man's frozen sperm without his consent yet he is liable for support.It's Germany. Where is he going to go where they can't get him. | /r/MensRights | 05/02/13 10:08 AM |
| 2 | Seems men in Germany have no reproductive rights at all - Mother fraudulently used a man's frozen sperm without his consent yet he is liable for support.That's a bit inaccurate. He sued the Hospital in 2012. Wasn't it that the Hospital was found liable and has to pay 100,000 Euros to the mother for upkeep of the children. The man must pay the rest? | /r/MensRights | 05/02/13 10:07 AM |
| 1 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.You do not give up your rights simply not verbally asserting them...You assert what he would have done, and I assert that it would not make sense for him to do so. I'm assuming he has given up his rights previously. His ok, is a tacit acceptance that he does in face have to go. And this couldn't really be the first time he was told that. This leads me to assume he is already out in some way and is collecting his things. This is not a cheap shot Nonsense. Look at the syntax of the phrase compared… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/12 07:33 PM |
| 1 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.Simply because he did not means nothing. Actually it means he had no right of domicile, either because he didn't have it or he had given it up. Otherwise he would have said something, something besides, ok. To me, that’s sound. It’s arguable. You disagree. That’s ok. I am unmoved by your arguments. It would make no sense if he were to say something to the effect of etc. Actually, legally, if he wanted to take his TV and Playstation. It is the only thing he could have done without abrogating his … | /r/MensRights | 07/03/12 04:38 PM |
| 2 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.I think that falls pretty well under acting in contradiction to your belief. That's a stretch, but no, I chided him because he dodged the comment. And because he was a dick about it. My stated belief is that I think for reasons of experience, and based on how they were acting, that it isn't his place. There's not really a case for hypocrisy there. why would he react the way you suggest? Experience. Observation. If he had a right to be there, then he could have engaged that right, and I submit th… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/12 03:51 PM |
| 1 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.Nope. That's pretty much how trespass laws work. There are some exceptions but they favor the person who has domicle rights even more. If you don't like them, lobby your congressperson. Since we don't actually know whether it's his or her or their place, my assumption is unproven, not faulty. Huge difference. I have said it before that it's just a guess. But having lived this particular adventure, it's a damn fine guess at that. You don't like it, but considering your overall worth from the hist… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/12 03:32 PM |
| 1 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.Nope. But in cases of trespass and illegal witholding of someone else's property they are charged, should the respond with keeping the peace. That includes allowing him to take his tv, if he can show that it is his. | /r/MensRights | 07/03/12 09:25 AM |
| 1 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.That is the essence of being a hypocrite. No. Look up hypocrisy. I am making the assumption based on his reaction in the context of events I have witnessed and also experienced. When it happened to me I said, "it's my house. You get out." We have no information on their marital status. I didn't see rings in the video. As for the rest. I have talked with far more cogent people on here about this. I have said it's his TV, and he should get the police to supervise him taking it. You responded to th… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/12 09:14 AM |
| 1 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.It's not your forum. The Terms and Conditions of using Reddit apply. If the mods want me gone, for pointing out that actions like those of this dumbass, set back any chance a man has for getting a fair shake in court by decades, then they'll ban me, and that's that. The trick to getting fair treatment, is for men to be smart and understand what they need to do before they make awfully stupid mistakes like this. Not try to explain it away afterwards. He was dumb, and now he will suffer, and I'm o… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/12 09:04 AM |
| 1 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.Why would he need to remind her that it's his house? That's what I did in the same situation. It's what my friends who actually owned their houses said as well. It's a natural reaction to "get out!" "Why the hell should I get out? You get out?" Why can't you see that she hit him twice before he fought back in self defense? I have said this before. You and the rest of this forum don't seem to understand the legal definition of self defense. Based on the video she can make the case that she was in… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/12 08:54 AM |
| 1 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.therefore her telling him he needs to leave, and him not protesting means nothing That has no relevance to the law in terms of trespass. | /r/MensRights | 07/03/12 08:40 AM |
| 1 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.this assumes it is not a shared home. Yep. It does. If it were his house, I personally think he would have said something. In the same situation, I did. the laws make no distinction when it comes to size differences The Law actually does specifically state in sentencing guidelines that the circumstances count, and those factors are exactly what we are talking about. The laws give judges and juries leeway in sentencing based on factors exactly like height and weight advantage, and situational fac… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/12 07:25 AM |
| 0 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.Yes, I am making that assumption. On the lawyer, I would actually agree, except when there is a video. In this case, It looks very, very bad for him. Because he was dumb. And in court, he would lose, and get done by the law, because that's how the law works in these cases. And we both know it. | /r/MensRights | 07/03/12 07:13 AM |
| 2 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.We don't know if it's his house. The circumstances seem to show that it isn't. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 11:27 PM |
| 3 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.It all depends on whether it's his house. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 11:27 PM |
| -3 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.All people should be held to appropriate standards. And just because a one party is lowering herself, doesn't mean that the baseline responsibility of the other suddenly goes out the window. It's in front of his children, and over a playstation. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 11:06 PM |
| 1 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.I agree. And those aren't details we have. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 10:31 PM |
| 0 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.Obviously they suck. But He should have left. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 10:21 PM |
| -1 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.That's obfuscation. Men are people are they not? Whether a woman keeps her head or not. The man should. With the ability to hurt comes responsibility. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 09:58 PM |
| 2 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.The law is what it is, not what you want it to be. I am thankful for that. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 09:43 PM |
| 1 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.We don't. I suspect though that it isn't his. For reasons which have been oft repeated. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 08:56 PM |
| -1 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.It's part of a poem. Regardless, a man would have kept his head. I've been in a situation where my ex-wife was gong batshit crazy, she had already broken my nose and I didn't hit her, I backed away and called the police. She went to jail. That's what should happen. Full stop. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 08:37 PM |
| 1 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.Sure. But the law sees, the 'please leave' as kind of a demarcation line in either trespass or escalation. **And please be aware, we aren't playing anything, we're just having a discussion. I am not your enemy. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 08:26 PM |
| 0 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.How do you know it's his house? When she said leave, he said ok. If it was his house, I think he would have said no. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 08:16 PM |
| -3 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; .... Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son! Rudyard Kipling A man would have kept his head. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 08:00 PM |
| 2 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.Nonsense. I understand the law. I am not biased. I believe in prosecuting battery, and assault for men and for women. People shouldn't hit each other. Men should act like men. Not like savages. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 07:43 PM |
| 1 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.If she says get out and it's his house and he just says ok, then I suspect it's not his home. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 07:32 PM |
| – | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.We don't know it's "their" house. We know she said go, and he didn't say, it's my house. He said Ok. If someone told me to leave my house, Ok, would not be my answer. Nice dodge though. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 07:21 PM |
| 1 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.So Him staying despite the fact that she asked then told him to leave is ok? I disagree. If you raise your hands Unless you are afraid. It's natural to be afraid when you are backed in a corner by someone larger than you. You are illustrating the societal bias of not holding women accountable for violent actions. No. I think that he should have left when she said leave. He shouldn't have kicked the furniture or whatever. I think that he shouldn't have backed her into a corner, or tried to take t… | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 07:11 PM |
| 1 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.We don't know that it's his home. She said leave. He didn't say, it's my house. He said ok, then he cornered her etc. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 06:57 PM |
| 5 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.Depends on the state. Physical intimidation in some states is considered a form of assault. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 04:53 PM |
| 1 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.A definitive possibility. Depends on the state and the definition of Trespass. Even so, it remains relevant to the escalation process. I suspect though that it isn't his house. He never responds to her telling him to leave with "It's my house." | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 04:52 PM |
| – | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.this video shows a woman escalating the situation By asking him to get out? Is that an escalation? Because I think anything he does in that house after she says "leave" is inexcusable. Here's why. If the property is his and his alone; even if it's in her house. A simple call to the police, will have them to prevent violence while he removes it. Once she asked him to leave. He should have left. He cornered her. That's a physical form of entrapment. That is not ok. The law will see it as not ok. O… | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 04:48 PM |
| – | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.its not by physical means No. The law sees physical intimidation in a confined space like that as exactly that. Preemption is not a valid excuse for battery. Tresspass on the other hand... | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 04:44 PM |
| 4 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.Ridiculous. She could just say "screw this", go around him, and disengage She had far less space to get out, and going around him didn't seem like a physical option. He could have said just screw this, and walked away. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 04:36 PM |
| – | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.If the games are even partially hers, that's willfull destruction of someone else's property. Mostly a misdemeanor offence depending on the value of the games. It's not just a petty escalation. She initiated and escalated. Actually, she told Mr. Douche to leave. Then things get worse. I do not see the law in most states agreeing with your perspective. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 04:34 PM |
| 6 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.Yes. If she lives in a state where her asking him to leave once, and he refuses, equals trespass. Once he's commiting tresspass, then she has the right to attempt to eject. That's how that works. Plus he was engaging in destruction of what looked like a CD rack and CDs or DVDs which she said were hers. Some states also allow her to defend her property. And if we are talking about a state with the castle doctrine, now that he's hit her once, next time she could just shoot him. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 04:31 PM |
| – | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.The law in most states disagrees. It's threatening behavior actually. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 04:28 PM |
| 2 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.Didn't she ask him to leave? I believe that was right before he kicked the CD rack and the TV. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 04:28 PM |
| 6 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.He should have backed away and called the police. Full stop. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 04:27 PM |
| – | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.this guy thinks we're not men Makes sense. You don't write like you are men. Here's why if we don't immediately support the women and decry the guy for responding to a hit The proper response to being hit, especially here, is to back away and call the police. Then take the video of that to social services, take the kids and raise them yourself. Like a man. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 04:26 PM |
| 7 | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.It depends on the State. In many states, once she asked him to leave, then law is on her side. Pluse he has a signifigant height weight advantage and he cornered her. I do not think the law would see it same way as you do. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 04:21 PM |
| – | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.Telling him to leave is escalating it? | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 04:19 PM |
| – | What say you about this video: A woman has uploaded her video to the internet showing her getting punched by her husband, a disturbing case of domestic abuse.The minute she told him to leave he should have left. In some States, anything she does after he doesn't leave after the first time he's told is justified, because he would be considered to be tresspassing. And it doesn't matter if she "hit" him first. What are you all, five? | /r/MensRights | 06/03/12 04:09 PM |
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