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If you consider yourself a manlet at 5'9, it's probably time for you to stop browsing these subreddits. No there's nothing wrong with approaching. Approaching women in a grocery store isn't going to ensure a lot of success anyway (regardless of height) but there's nothing wrong with doing it. And if a real woman rejects you, you seem like the kind of person who will immediately assume your height is the problem. I'd venture to say them just not being interested at all or your overall appearance …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 02:30 PM
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I don't know about less dopamine but men do release more dopamine when exposed to novel women. No, that doesn't mean men can't bond with a single woman. You really can't dumb down human behavior to one neural pathway. Even for that dopamine pathway, affection and desire for a partner still releases a stronger dopamine release than with a random woman. But bonding and commitment are much bigger and complicated phenomena than this one thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 02:19 PM
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lol Where the hell are you getting your numbers from? "Women decline after 25" Actually, peak fertility for a woman is 23-28. "By 30, birth defects and miscarriages make a huge jump in probability." Scientific studies on this subject indicates the age to start being concerned about birth defects is 37. That's 7 years after your claim...like, almost a decade later. And it's still a rare occurrence, although older maternal age definitely warrants extra monitoring of the fetus. "After 35, most woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 10:45 PM
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Every long term relationship has ups and downs, and I would venture to say most people, men and women, have questioned their choice during the downs. As I mentioned in another comment, a lot of this sphere of PP/RP/etc tend to be compromised of men who have been rejected, so usually they have not been the ones doing the second-guessing. But on a whole level (including outside of here), I would say both genders do it if there are problems/discrepancies in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 04:29 PM
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There is no hypergamy. There is only people who underrate/penalize women who've rejected them or have not exhibited interest in them. So a 6 woman might be rationalized to be a 5 out of spite, might get a man who is a 6, and would be seen as shooting above her value. That and most women accused of hypergamy are usually, more simply, women with options who can afford to picky enough to snag what they want, and men accusing women of hypergamy are usually those who don't have a lot of options. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 04:26 PM
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Women are rarely pursuers, therefore, being outgoing does matter. It means the difference between approaching a woman and getting her to feel open and comfortable enough to accept, vs not. Yes, most people have a looks threshold, but your looks threshold means nothing if you're sitting in the corner because you have social anxiety and are too scared to talk to people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 04:19 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/17 11:19 PM
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They're mixed across the spectrum
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 04:31 PM
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Well I never made the comparison that they're comparable to feminism, rather that the held different conclusions about the nature of men and women than male religions did.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 04:31 PM
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The shift is sexual liberation. How would they be fixed independently?Depends on the problem. Many of them are married men and women? Most married men and women are not actively hating on the sexual liberation of women. Even conservatives are slowly coming around to it. I suppose there are some, so maybe I should rephrase my original statement to say "the main" instead of "the only." Generally speaking, form my personal observations, most married men and most men successfully dating/sleeping aro…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 06:03 PM
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The difference lies in the belief whether the movement is directly responsible for the problems that arose. The men I am referring to tend to say yes, when that is not the case. Most of the problems or "harms" that would be listed are independent problems that have simply come about through the sudden change in society, but can be independently be fixed without touching sexual liberation. unless that person is both male and bitter Bitter is not necessary. But given that most of these men believe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 05:45 PM
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Pre-Abrahamic religions are a good place to start, especially in the Northern Europe region. You can also take a look at certain offshoots of Greco/Roman religions, especially those focusing on Demeter.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 05:39 PM
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No. Acknowledging some negative consequences of the movement is different from resenting the movement itself. I believe that sexual liberation is an overall positive, although not perfect thing, and the imperfections are a growing pain rather than the direct consequence of the movement (for example, single parenthood doesn't have to happen with sexual liberation, it just necessitates an adjustment in attitude about procreating). The men I am referring to typically tend to believe that the overal…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 05:37 PM
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Stories are dependent on the accurate and objective observations of the story-teller, and most story-tellers are not those things. Likewise, I have never heard what you claimed as a cultural trope. Adam and Eve was more of a reflection of women being more easily tempted, and even that "observation" is greatly contested - are women the more easily tempted gender? That doesn't line up with a lot of people's observations of men. But what can you expect from a religion and story created by men? Of c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 04:19 PM
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You are right about the first part. Most men who claim women can't pair bond are fairly damaged to the point that a) they actively resent women and b) relationships and sex hookups are outlets for validation for their worth, not mutual experiences. Neither of those things is really conducive to pair bonding. You're also right about the second part. Incels always existed. It's just that before, they accepted their fate. But younger generations are growing more and more entitled. In extreme cases,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 04:14 PM
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It's a positive, it's just currently upsetting to the status quo and a lot of people don't know how to deal with it or adapt to it. The only majority of people who resent it are men who are vastly incompatible with the casual sex scene (aka not hot or outgoing enough) who see women participating in that scene as a loss of options for partners. This is despite the fact that they're not cutting it well in the relationship scene either, but they figure if more women were looking for relationship, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 04:09 PM
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and will still think it unfair if others can access it more easily than they. Why? Others put more effort into being able to access it, so why should it be unfair? The problem with "rich get richer and poor get poorer" is that generally speaking that's used in a context where the poor can't really escape poverty no matter how hard they try. Aside from the super ugly, most men's failure to achieve intimacy is unreasonable standards, their own mental state handicapping them, or a combination of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 01:32 PM
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You're getting a lot of flack here with people nitpicking your comments out of the overall context (largely because you had the audacity to call them out - Red Pill and Blue Pill type excuses), but I agree. I think you're right. For the last several generations, we've been babying future generations. Coddling their negative feelings, sheltering them from their shortcomings and inadaquacies, and prolonging their need to take responsibility for their actions. Of course the end result is going to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/17 03:13 PM
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To someone with a teenage mentality, I would assume having fun and living life through instant gratification would seem to be "more satisfying." But then you wind up with 40 year olds whining about libruls or the patriarchy and how that's the reason why their lives are shitty. Instant gratification is something you can get away with when you're young, but eventually, you are supposed to grow up. The reason why emotional fullfillment is the more satisfying end goal is that it tends to be a lot mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/17 02:57 PM
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Well in that case, I'm VERY dubious of that study It just tallied statistics. Most men on their site messaged the same 20% of women. There's not really much left to interpretation. 51% of male messages go to top 20% of women, or 66% of male messages go to top 33% of women. That's 2 or 3 men for every woman. Given that women are less likely to respond to messages in general, and less likely to go on a date with a stranger, the added competition men force themselves into does not leave much room f…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 04:01 PM
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"THE 20% of women that get inundated with messages"? So you're implying that women generally DONT get swarmed with messages? I mean, that's what the study showed. Most men focused on messaging the same 20% of women on their site. Here we go again. The "Lonely men only want 10\10 virgin brides, they dont care about the really cool girls who'd LOVE to be with them!" argument. Not 10/10. More like they are a 4/10 and want a 6/10. Do you believe you know my friends better than I? That's pretty presu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 05:39 AM
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Why are you so adamant on always blaming the man? You're asking me why men are failing. I'm not "blaming" anybody, I'm explaining why men fail, at least for the most part. They're either really ugly or they're not anything remarkable personality wise. If a woman was asking me why women are single, I'd say the same thing. Is it that hard for you to believe that women are just picky as shit? I believe the 20% of women that get inundated with messages probably are picky as shit. I don't believe the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 05:22 AM
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The only problems that exists with self-deprecating humor is 1) When you're using it as a crutch because you're in social situations, so you're trying to ease the tension by throwing yourself under the bus. You can usually observe this in someone who makes a ton of self-deprecating jokes, to the point you're wondering is there anything they even like about themselves. 2) When the jokes hit a little too close to home. Self-deprecating jokes should be lighthearted around people who don't know you …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 05:14 AM
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Lots of women claim men arent "boyfriend material" because they've had their egos boosted since they were 18, and so they think they deserve and are entitled to "super hot" guys. No. It really is as simple as undersocialized men on average don't make good partners. They lack the charisma and social aptitude to facilitate pleasantness and romantic interest in a significant portion of women, the social acuity to navigate the turbulent dating phase without social mishaps when a woman does respond t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 05:05 AM
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Why are you making this about me? Someone saying going without sex is literally like going without air and water is not a problem with "my feelz." They're just plain wrong. The real question you should be asking is why do you and others feel the necessity to call it a need. Do you feel it gives you extra validation? I already said those things are important, without which you couldn't really hope to have a normal and fulfilling life. Why isn't that enough for you? Why do you make such a distinct…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/17 04:47 PM
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How do you explain the MASSIVE amount of guys who cant get a girlfriend? Lack of initiation of interest and not being boyfriend material. You never see women complain about not getting a boyfriend. Yeah you do. Btw, I did not say looks didn't matter. But if a guy has other quality and desirable traits, on averge, a woman is more likely to sacrifice looks. The reason why this isn't the average nerdy incel's experience is because the average nerdy incel comes up short in other traits too.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/17 04:27 PM
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Yes. This is probably due to two big things: 1) Men are usually more sex driven than women 2) Most women synthetically enhance their apperance, through makeup, hair styling, enhancing their looks past simple biology. An average ugly woman looks better than the average ugly man given that she probably plucks her eyebrows, moisturizes her skin, styles her hair, and wears makeup, thus boosting her looks. However, this doesn't really matter as much as people think. The drive for sex and bonding and …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/17 04:30 AM
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That might be that those women fall into a certain preference though. Like, a man into brunettes will probably have a brunette wife and like other brunettes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 02:29 PM
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If the men of the manosphere actually followed evolutionary psychology, they'd run into many "truths" about men that run in direct opposition to their beliefs. More irrational gender? It's not women. Men are less emotional? Not really, they just tend towards anger emotions where women tend to depressive ones. And perhaps then they'd realize that these generalizations aren't actually that practical or useful on a day to day basis, and instead work on an adequate "scanning" tool for actually readi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 02:28 PM
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"It's not misandry. It's biology. Why do Red Pillers ignore evolutionary psychology?"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 02:24 PM
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Don't place the blame on me when others choose to equate sex with bread, air and water. That's not using a more general definition of the word need, it's being melodramatic. I get what you're saying and I agree with it, but that is not the problem here. Yes, there's more to life than just eating and breathing, and all of the things you mentioned, in addition to sex, round out a fulfilled existence (as I already said). But those things are not on the same tier as food, water and air. They're on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 02:20 PM
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I'm really not. People forget that human beings have our own adaptations in the same way that a wolf has speed, or a otter has the ability to float. Our forebrain is ours. It is silly to assume it won't play a huge role in our survival. Of course we're going to innovate, that's what a giant forebrain does best. The other mistake people make is thinking evolutionary adaptations work to secure the survival of the species. No, they work to ensure the survival of the individual, which may or may not…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/17 04:44 PM
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You sound like you know what you're talking about, but how can a species survive without sex and reproduction? So, to start answering your question I'm going to backtrack a bit. Your entire premise is wrong. Nothing about sex has changed. Sex was not a need 50,000 years ago, it wasn't a need 5000 years ago, nor was it a need today. People today saying it's not a need does not insinuate that suddenly humans are going to forego sex. On the contrary, sex has evolved purposes in humans that go past …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/17 04:23 PM
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It's not a need then, it's a desire. Plenty of poor people slit their wrists because they covet money. Plenty of friendless people slit their wrists because they want friends. Plenty of chronically ill people slit their wrists because they want perfect health. Desire is not the same thing as need. It does bear recognition in overall discussions about fullfillment, happiness, and emotional well being. But for base survival? No. Your organs do not shut down without sex, friends, money, etc. Those …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/17 03:52 PM
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Everything about us has evolved to serve those needs. Actually, everything about us evolved to sustain our existence. Including reproduction. Reproduction is not the overall point, it's just an extension of existence. If a species does not treat sexual reproduction as an "actual need" it won't be along for very long. You can sustain existence without sex or having children. Yes, you might not be very happy, and it may affect your emotional well-being negatively, but if we're talking about base c…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/17 03:49 PM
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There's a difference between overrating and being nitpicky. Men have a tendency to overrate their own attractiveness and underrate the attractiveness of women who reject them, based on studies. The average man would have little chance with any of these women unless he was suave as fuck, because the average man looks like this: pic whereas he thinks he looks like pic Confidence might help forgive you for a point or two but it's not going to take you in an entirely different league.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 02:59 PM
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Well I said for some incels it is about looks but for most in my direct experience (as in, ones I know) that's not the problem. Not everyone is an incel for the reasons you are. And there's more to being charming than making people laugh. Charisma and sexual chemistry go a lot further.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/17 06:42 PM
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Their facade is usually worse than the incel's because of less guile and intellect on their part. Only a dipshit wouldn't see through it Incels might be smarter but they have less social smartness. They don't know how to talk to people, connect with people, relate to people, or allow people to see whatever inner rewards they posses. That's a huge part of why they're an incel. All of my virgin-in-their-20's friends have more issues with shyness and introversion than they do with appearance or per…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 09:22 PM
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Chads who cheat on them, beat them, emotionally abuse them, etc These people aren't like this from day 1, they're usually quite loving and charming and later revert back to being this way, after an emotional bond has already been made. Some women (and men) are bad at severing an emotional bond and walking away. I'm sure you have heard the stories of incel men pining away at women who made it clear they don't want anything to do with them, but still they rather take the abuse and bullshit rather …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 08:59 PM
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Betrayal is a hateful act. If a girl makes promises she's not gonna keep, then treats you like shit after she loses attraction towards you, But betrayal is not women-exclusive; betrayal is native to both genders. I would also venture to say while the consequences of betrayal cause pain, when people commit the act of betraying, they're usually not trying to inflict pain. That's part of why betrayals are usually kept secret. If a girl makes promises she's not gonna keep, then treats you like shit …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 07:57 PM
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Why not just spend that time and energy becoming something actually worthwhile and memorable and appeal to 70% of people, and attracting 50%? The above person is right. This is verbal garbage by people who think being edgy is a substitute for being valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 04:05 AM
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Well, for starters I think both have issues. Could it not be possible that maybe they just have some deep emotional connection? I wonder whether they would be similarly understanding if Macron suddenly started dating a girl 24 years younger. An aging man dating a woman in her 20's isn't that uncommon though. It's practically cliche. Why would the press praise this as courageous when older men dating younger women is at least 10x more common than the reverse and has occurred numerous times in his…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 03:45 AM
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Literally from the opening of your link: Are women more emotional than men? Maybe. Men could be described as more emotional than women, too. It depends on the type of emotion, how it is measured, where it is expressed, and lots of other factors. Men and women are both emotional, although in different ways. Women express more depression type emotions, while men express more anger type emotions. Women are also more emotionally expressive but men feel emotions more deeply source and men expressing …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 05:31 PM
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Flat earthers say the Earth is flat. For this experiment, let's take them at their word. ...How can the Earth be round if there are people who believe the Earth is flat? I mean, I get what you're saying, yeah in your thought experiment it may not be misogyny, but your thought experiment is pointless. Thought experiments are generally used to force people to consider things from a different angle and are well-crafted to be plausible and relevant. Thought experiments based on false premises are ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 05:04 PM
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People are quick to point out that most muderers are men, or that men are more prone to risky behavior, is that from a negative emotion? So this will be a fun exercise in English and tone/word choice. Let's go back to our high school English classes with those 5 paragraph essays. It's different to say men are more prone to risky behaviors and violence than it is to say "Women are children." For starters, one has concrete statistical evidence backing it. By stating it, you are conveying a fact, n…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 04:58 PM
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Well then we simply disagree. You're a mirror to Tumblr feminazis, not mainstream feminism. That's not to say mainstream feminism doesn't have flaws and is always benevolent to men, but it uses a different tone and thus requires a different tone if that's what you want to mirror. TRP is about several notches too high, so it becomes the complement of SJW Tumblerinas.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 04:54 PM
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I can't answer a question dependent on a premise that is inaccurate. It doesn't work. Other things work and exist parallel to the misogyny. One can achieve success with women completely without misogyny, but some men need the misogyny as motivation to do those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 04:47 PM
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posts have been from guys who have a good understanding and a lot of success with women. Allegedly. And nonetheless, having good success doesn't mean one can't also be bitter and angry. Most of these men have had issues with women in the past. They may have success now, but like I said, not everyone moves past bitterness and resentment that easily. Same way a fat guy who loses a lot of weight doesn't instantly get over all of the self-esteem/confidence issues he had while being fat. It's a proce…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 04:31 PM
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How can the misogyny of TRP considered to "work" when it is required to be hidden from potential partners? TRP actively teaches subscribers to present a completely different personality than the one they share on TRP because rightfully so, the one they present on TRP is considered weak and unattractive. Anger/resentment/bitterness are not the traits of successful, confident, desirable men. What works off TRP and that women respond to is the obvious stuff - get fit, stop being a pushover, be more…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 04:26 PM
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Most guys who read the red pill aren't 100% hardcore flaming woman haters, but the strong tone of a lot of the posts is needed to help guys "snap out of it". I think that's giving too much credit. I don't think most are 100% flaming women haters but I doubt a lot of them put that much thought into their posts about needing to sound a certain way so others snap out of it; most posts are usually a lot more self-serving than that and serve to be therapeutic to the poster. The real reason is most me…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 04:19 PM
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They're both people that feel they ought to have gotten further in life and it's some kind of conspiracy against them that prevented them from doing it. Aka people who can point the finger everywhere except at themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 04:15 PM
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Full-blown feminism is cool with people, but our full-blown masculism isn't Full blown feminism, as in "men are dogs and women are better at everything?" kind of feminism? I'm pretty sure that variation of feminism is not cool with most people, except Tumblr feminazis. If your desire is to match mainstream feminism why not just be pro-men, occasionally at the expense of women, as opposed to actively hating women like Tumblr feminazis?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 04:14 PM
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I think in those cultures, if you don't expect self-control from men, they never bother to try exhibiting it or develop it. If people can train a dog to not hump them, I'm pretty sure most men can exhibit the kind of self-control necessary to put aside gratification. The guy who raped the kid was obviously fucked in the head and doesn't represent most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 06:35 AM
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I think the best age for a woman to get married is probably in the early 20's. That's their peak SMV time So then that's the best age for women to play the field, not get married. SMV =/= RMV. Younger age for both men and women is correlated with greater incidence of divorce (upwards of 70% of young couples get divorced). Not surprising given that people in their late teen's early 20's are hardly financially established or mentally ready for a grave thing like lifelong commitment. The best age f…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 06:25 AM
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I think it's interesting that Ryan has to bring up partner count to put himself on a pedestal in the friendship. I would venture to say maybe Ryan is not as secure as Silas thinks. I think Silas would be best served disregarding Ryan's reaches for validation. Silas doesn't like hooking up anyway, so why would he strive to use that as a way to validate himsef? If I hate basketball, why would I join a basketball team just because someone said they're better than me at basketball? I'd say yeah you …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 04:50 AM
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I would say the guy on the right is more than a 6/7, maybe an 8/9. Yeah, most people starting at 3 won't be able to go to a 9. But can they get to a 6? Yes, especially if they're interested in pursuing fellow 6's. The guy on the right can a) get a better haircut, b) get some treatment for his acne. That alone would make him look a lot better. If he really wanted to go all out, some jaw implants or facial fillers could get him to an actual 7, but I understand that's not feasible for everyone (whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 04:44 AM
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I'm not talking about what they're thinking, I'm talking about what they're doing. Rewarding isn't the motivation, therefore it's incorrect to use it as an explanation of behavior. It's like if someone merges into my lane while driving and I think that it's to spite me, when the reality is the guy just needs to turn left at the next stop. It's two completely different narratives. As for the rest of your post, you're again approaching it from a self centered perspective. Most women don't think ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:55 PM
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When women have sex with someone, they don't think of it as "I am giving this as a reward to you." As a result, they don't look for reward worthy criteria.in their partner. It's not about who deserves or earns it the most. It's about who was in the right place at the right time with the right look and a proposition. The idea that sex is a reward is a purely male perspective and can't be used to explain female motivations and behavior. You can say men feel that sex is a reward due to the gatekeep…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:41 PM
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SIDS more common in younger mothers. This is common knowledge and you can find dozens of sources for it. Here's one of many: source "It is more common among infants in families with low incomes; whose mothers are single, less than 20 years old, or who have used cigarettes or illicit drugs during pregnancy; and who have had brothers or sisters who have also died of SIDS." Younger mothers are also more likely to have premature births [source] (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/10070819…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 03:52 PM
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I don't understand why this is such a prevalent theme on PPD. Some people who don't succeed in an area in life spend their lives seeking to direct that resentment and blame on something, and rarely will they direct it at themselves. Someone, something, is the reason why they are miserable. I don't know why TV specifically except maybe it's just a common feature in our modern lives, but the reason why people obsess about this topic is because a significant portion of people here are always lookin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 03:18 PM
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Here's the thing, for every needy character, I can find you one that is independent. For every insecure character, I can find you one that is confident. For every mean character, I can find you one that is nice. Etc. The real question you should be asking is not why films and television encourage the needy behavior, because that's rarely true. Film and TV in this day and age is incredibly diverse. No, the question is: why do needy characters in TV and media resonate with you in a memorable way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 03:15 PM
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"But you wouldn't spot me! I'm much better at it!" -every RP counterargument to that statement There's some degree in irony that people who fell short of understanding interpersonal and gender dynamics to a self-reported significant amount believe themselves to suddenly be the masters of disguise because they spent 3 months reading a subreddit. I believe a lot of the time it would surprising to them to learn just how easily certain people can get a read on others. To certain people who are intui…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 03:08 PM
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"Watch what she says, not what she does," is little else than a practice in cherry picking. It is also a failure to understand how women work. Someone here recently wrote a very well detailed comment about it...about how men think of sex for women from a male perspective, and from a male perspective, sex to a woman is given to a man as a reward, but the same is not true when you consider sex from a women perspective That being said, Douchebag McDouche will probably have a lot of sexual success, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 02:15 PM
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Its about at what age a woman will produce the best offspring If you believe this would be a woman in her early or mid teens, you'd be wrong. Compared to women in early 20's, babies born to teenage mothers have greater incidences of birth defects, SIDS, autism, spontaneous abortions, etc. Peak fertility is also considered to be a combination of producing healthy viable children, AND the ability to conceive them in the first place. If you are able to produce one great offspring but cannot get pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 05:24 AM
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If a man is set on having the most genetically fit child, he should pay for the expensive service of egg/sperm genetic testing and in vitro fertilization. Unless you're planning on having babies with a 40 year old woman or you yourself are old, you really won't be able to ever determine optimal genetic fitness based on partner age alone, at least not in any meaningful or significant way. It's like when people on diets worry about an extra 5 calories.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 05:19 AM
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Science says around 22-25 is considered peak fertility, at least as of 2008. The problem with ages 15-18 is that even aside from body development, a lot of teens still face hormonal irregularities. Some have irregular cycles, some have regular cycles but hormonal fluctuations, ovulation may not happen every cycle, etc. Bad diets and other lifestyle factors may further have an impact on both the menstrual cycle and gestation, and are more common in younger people. Spontaneous abortions are more c…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:32 PM
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1 -There's not enough capable adoptive parents to meet the current demand for orphaned/foster care children, what makes you think there will be enough if you were to start taking children away from willing parents? It seems to me it is in the best interest for most children to stay with their biological parents, as long as they are being fed and clothed and are not being abused. It certainly is an improvement over the alternative: the foster care system. That's where most unwanted kids end up, n…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:13 PM
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Fathers who actively seek custody obtain either primary or joint physical custody over 70% of the time. My claim was men who fight for custody get custody at reasonable rates, reported at 50% rates in some statistics. Anything else you think I claimed is you moving the goal posts. Additionally, my claim is a lot of the times why men don't get primary custody has to do with how men feel the results will go, or how they feel about parenthood. Again, this is supported by what I linked: Reports indi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 04:39 PM
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I don't see any links. I don't have to come forward with evidence. You do. Good discussions/debates have evidence on both sides. The argument that YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME EVIDENCE is good debate is a myth perpetrated by those whose opinions are driven by emotions, not logic or fact. It serves only to make others jump through hoops while never placing the same standards to onself. And if you really want to go there, may I remind you, you're on a thread that alleges the same thing I am saying. So give…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 04:27 PM
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http://amptoons.com/blog/files/Massachusetts_Gender_Bias_Study.htm "We began our investigation of child custody aware of a common perception that there is a bias in favor of women in these decisions. Our research contradicted this perception. Although mothers more frequently get primary physical custody of children following divorce, this practice does not reflect bias but rather the agreement of the parties and the fact that, in most families, mothers have been the primary [*748] caretakers of …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 04:12 PM
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If you can't be bothered to read what I've given you, nor follow my suggestions of a quick way to "test the waters" to see if you're right, then you don't want your mind changed. Long ago I used to post on this subreddit and waste my time on people who would never have their minds changed. I'm placing the burden of proof on you now. If you're interested in furthering this conversation and having either one of us learn something from it, give me something other than "YOU'RE WRONG."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 04:00 PM
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You're being needlessly nitpicky. The statistics were reported on a HuffPo article but they're not their statistics and the statistics are reported on numerous other websites. I told you to look at the stats, not the article. For whatever you think of the stats, they're at least some stats in this discussion. Even if they're mediocre stats, they hold more weight than your feelings. So how about you give me the stats I requested before we go any further? I'm not getting roped into another discuss…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:55 PM
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Ok, if there's one thing that's frustrating it's when in a discussion someone takes what you said and completely twists it around. Where did I say lawyers make big promises they can't deliver? I literally said the opposite. Lawyers will sit down and offer a REALISTIC perspective of how things are going to play out, the odds, how much more time and money something is going to take. This is what lawyers do. As LewisCross said, they mange their clients' expectations. Where LewisCross is wrong is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:52 PM
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Oh for fucks sake. I didn't say read the article, I said the article references statistics that are relevant to this discussion. They're not HufPo's statistics. I would link you directly to DivorcePeers but their site has been taken down. However, their research can be found on numerous other websites if you don't trust HuffPo to report their findings accurately. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4jd3xb/is_there_really_a_court_bias_against_men_in/ http://divorcesupport.about.com/b/201…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:48 PM
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I gave you one. So, how about you give me evidence a) that, that's not true, that it's lower than 40% and b) that lawyers dismiss mens' requests to ask for custody the way you mentioned Why do you get to base your opinions only on feelings and then demand evidence from me and discuss with me as if your feelings are on par with statistics? If you want to have a stat/evidence based discussion, fine, but now it's your turn.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:43 PM
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Source? Evidence? Factual basis? Citation, please. Chapter and verse, please. The source of this thred alludes to a statistical breakdown done, that demonstrates that men who ask for custody get it at pretty even rates. Here's an article summarizing the findings of the Pew Research Center and Divorce Peers source As for talking to lawyers, no you haven't. I'm not even being dismissive at the moment, you literally sound like someone who has never talked to a lawyer. Or if you did it was 20 years …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:41 PM
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See my other comment. There is a difference between managing clients expectations and offering a realistic perspective on how things will play out, and discouraging. You're talking about discouraging. No good lawyer would discourage their clients without a very good reason. And right now, the state of courts do not provide a good reason to completely discourage men from trying. When men try, they have a 50% chance of success. Let's even cut that down to 40%. A laywer might say, "you have a 40% c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:31 PM
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I actually do know what I'm talking about, and you're acutally wrong. There's a difference between managing expectation and laying out worse case scenarios, and discouraging. There's little reason for the latter because, as evidenced by statistical facts, when men DO request custody, they DO get it at a 50% rate. There's a difference between saying, "It's going to be an uphill battle, things might get dirty, it might take a while, but there is a chance, this is the rate at which men succeed in r…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:26 PM
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This is something I've seen too, at least in 1 out of 4 divorces, but few people in the manosphere ever want to acknowledge it. Men, more than women, want a clean break and to start over from scratch following a divorce. Having joint custody of the kids interferes with that because now they've got to factor kids into their lives, as well as continue to communicate with the children's mother. Some men would rather just visit their kids from time to time. Some men bail completely and only do court…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:22 PM
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Has anyone who is claiming that lawyers tell men not to pursue custody actually ever seen a lawyer? That's not how lawyers work. Lawyers will give odds of winning any given request but if their client expresses a desire for something, they will lay out a strategy in how they can possibly accomplish it. Maybe charge extra but at the end of the day most lawyers aren't going to alienate business or clients. That sounds like a shitty lawyer, to be honest. Seriously, go to one of the lawyer subreddit…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:14 PM
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I don't believe this at all. First off, lawyers usually promise to deliver more than they can. It's part of how they justify their fees. They rile you up with big promises and lay out a strategy. Your second point is just pandering.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:05 PM
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