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Wrong question, although an all too common one here, where men and women are almost considered as separate species. The correct question is more like why did the human species evolve so that ability to orgasm does not show so much gender dimorphism as with other species. Gender dimorphism of a feature is more or less a V2.0 version of the feature and it needs to have a specific reason on its own. It is far easier to male and female lions to have the same teeth, claws etc. basically the big diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 10:49 AM
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The majority of parents aren't going to be too happy to have to pay for a grandchild, and will often refuse. Then their son has to drop out and get a job. This sounds like describing an alien species. My parents invested all into making me succesful and someone they can be proud of. How would they give up the investment at 17 and let me become a blue collar? Does not compute.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/15 06:42 PM
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So why don't I? Young women are good to fuck. Older ones are good to live with. For me life > sex. I hate drama. Immature drama...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/15 06:40 PM
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Or many other PDs. But why exactly BPD?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/15 06:39 PM
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I think I owe an apology to RPers a bit. I mean this part: "When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys." This is something like RPers say women generally do expect they say "fuck" not "date". I always considered it a very extreme thing to think. That women fuck the bad boys, teh cool boys, he commitment phobic boys, the crazy boys. But if this woman put it this way, it is possible that "date" is…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 04:34 PM
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So instill the same mood of carefulness into sons, so they don't wind up having to pay for an abortion or child support. They won't pay it, their parents will. A teenager has no income. And the parents often LIKE the idea of having a grandchild. I had a standing offer to back then to knock up any girl and they will pay child support if she wants to raise him/her or raise him/her themselves if she doesn't. Maybe many other parents are not so open about it, but as long as it is not your child but …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 04:27 PM
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It is a fact that there are people who love unconditonally. It is not a faith issue. The issue is, they have issues. The feel the need to be needed, having depression and all that, self worth issues, and that is why they seek out a target to love. You can get it, you just have to be prepared to have a mentally bit problematic partner so may need to play home psychiatrist here and there. For example your partner will occasionally break down into bouts of catatonic self-hatred and cry a river how …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 02:35 PM
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Just because love is the result of chemicals in the brain that developed through evolution doesn't make love not exist. You are right, the metal level problem is the author not accepting layers of abstraction. Just because we know a cake is made of atoms, it is no reason not to call a specific type of arrangements of atoms a cake. Discovering that things are made of other things does not make them non-things. A cake may reduce to butter and flour and a baking process, those may reduce to C, H, O…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 02:31 PM
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I think abuse is a bit of an over-used (or abused, heh) word today. It seems if people are not complete saints, if they are a little bit asshole this can get labeled as abuse. I think the average normal person sometimes does "abusive" things. For example not talking with his partner after a fight for days. This can be called abuse (emotional blackmail through withdrawal). Yet it is fairly normal. This is a subset of a larger problem. We use words who used to mean a very narrow set of very bad th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 02:25 PM
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Love absolutely exists, and even that kind of almost unconditional selfless love does. There is only one shit about this: usually a person can love that way because of his or her own insecurities, psychological problems and so on. So it is never really about you, but it will still feel like that, but it will be more about your partners neediness, dependence, codependence etc. It is not that you are that lovely: it is more like your partners neediness, emotional issues need a target to love. Soun…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 02:22 PM
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If it sounds offensive, you are. Lower-class attitudes are usually devoid of prickly sensitivity, are self-critical on the whole and cynical. "We are idiots but we are having fun." Thick skin life. Offense or assuming people dislike offensive things is classy. Also nobody talked about avoiding sex, it was more about instilling a mood of carefulness into daughters, not on the first date not in the heat of passion, wait for an LTR boyfriend, that kind of thing. Only the religious fucks avoid it al…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 02:16 PM
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This is a really spectacular case of the "we are evolutionary fitness maximizers" fallacy. We are not. We are adaptation executers. It is evolution as a process that maximizes fitness. NOT YOU. You just execute the adaptive program it gives you. http://lesswrong.com/lw/l0/adaptationexecuters_not_fitnessmaximizers/
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 02:13 PM
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This make her chase works only if there is a reason for her to chase you ALREADY. So it is not your major strategy, it is just the follow up. An average guy who shows no interest will not be chased. A very attractive guy may be. Or an average guy maybe hit on them, tell interesting things, and then withdraw and let them chase. But it is only a follow-up, the major thing is getting the interest first at all and that does not work through being a complete passive average dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 02:10 PM
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I don't know what would be more annoying, a non-confident nurturer ("Am I doing this right to you? Sure? Sure?") or a non-supportive dominant ("You got problems? Whatever. Shut up.") partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 02:09 PM
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This is pretty surprising to read here. Aren't MOST people cowards who gladly let others override them just to get absolved of responsibility? Coward is the normal civilian method of living. Why would be unusual that even if average civilized civilian man is a coward too then why a woman especially a RP woman not be a coward? The handful of non cowards today are serving in some military probably. If we weren't cowards we would be libertarians. Shooting criminals in self-defense instead of expect…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 02:06 PM
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Don't ask why men want them, as why RP men want them. These traits are not universal just for sex focused men like RP. For example I never wanted them as I was more companionship focused.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 02:03 PM
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It would really depend on the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 01:55 PM
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This is a pretty acceptable answer and I consider it very mainstream and middle of the road today, not some extreme RP specialty. This how my parents, most people I know have always thought. I should add that it would kind of hypocritical for feminists to complain both about rape culture and about fathers limiting the dating pool of their daughters: it is precisely the rapey little wolves they are trying to keep out mostly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 01:54 PM
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They don't exist. Aside from some super religious Alabama type place, you don't find an attractive girl in a first world city who is virgin beyond 18 and it was already so from the 1968 era on, if it was a problem at all it was our parents problem, one generation back, they were the girls who lost it at 17 in 1980 on a car back seat or so. The modern generations problem is losing it at 13 high on designer fucking drugs which is another set of problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 01:47 PM
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But why is it weird? Just look at pregnancy. It is weird if you work from the assumption of the classy intellectuals who are smart enough to use protection. But look at the teen preg rates amongst the dumbfuck / poor classes of society and suddenly it starts making sense. Seeing it weird suggests being a bit out of touch with the lower class...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 01:45 PM
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Ruining? Why? My parents really wanted a grandkid, they told me they would pay the child support or if the girl does not want the child they will happily raise him / her, just get into a panty already. Is this unusual?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 01:43 PM
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Can we stop the rich people bias? It is bad enough when feminists do it, you don't need to join them in this. Amongst not rich people, the women were working their ass off in the textile factory and come home smelling of sweat and looking like this: http://www.millmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Pho-A-0375-Alice-L-c-1950.jpg Just as annoying as feminists are when they say work is is empowering and completely forget about non office jobs, it is just as wrong to think the woman on the pictur…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 01:41 PM
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Roger Moore as James Bond would be an excellent example, he oozes class from all his pores.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 01:37 PM
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Tone, the whole thing presented in a normal voice is not even half as problematic. I kinda liked Athol Kay's MMSL book, it is for different people than we are but no jimmies got rustled. To me the most amazing part is that RP types often brush tone complaints away saying it is not as important. Of course it is important, as it shows everything about how you relate to other human beings. If you would go down a bar and yell to the bartender "gimme a beer at once you pathethic shit" the essence wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 01:35 PM
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Well, I was not like that even at 20, did not have these strong hormones, but I knew some guys who were so I understand this. I just wish it was better understood it is not for everybody. It is for people who shameless about having a body, love their body, and love the body of other sex (or sometimes the same). So it is not really for the people who live in the mind and poke their body around with a long stick so to speak. Also,when I was 20 (17 years ago) here in Central Europe it was not reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 11:27 AM
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No, I mean high school. 14 to 18 years, the kind of high school that focuses purely on academic subjects, preparing students to get into university / college, but not giving them any trade or profession as of yet, the university will do it. This can be contrasted with trade schools like car mechanic, waiter or shop clerk, which give a profession, but getting into a university or college from it is either outright forbidden or at least difficult, as the academic subjects taught are low grade and …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 11:23 AM
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IMHO this is really about how you chose the girls you wanted to pursue. Let me guess, was it more like "wow she is hot" and not like "she is smart enough to have deeply philosophical pillow talks with" ?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 08:28 AM
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And low-IQ, roughly yes. Go to a trade school where here in Europe the lower-IQ kids go to (14-18) who cannot get into a gymnasium due to the lack of good grades and it looks very much like it. Incredibly catty girls and incredibly bullish boys, a hormone-fest and no, it does not start at 18, far earlier. It describes the animal part of human nature all right... just ignores the parts that intelligence in humans can suppress all those instincts. My best argument for not really trying to cure my …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 08:25 AM
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Then how does any style of clothes, or shoes, or hairstyles get selected as masculine while others are not ? Why does this change constantly ? They are not. You may be confusing it with fashion. For the last 50 years, leather and denim are considered masculine despite that often, such as these days, it is unfashionable and seen as ridiculous. Yet it is masculine in the essence as it expresses unchanging qualities like rawness and dangerousness. Sometimes it is seen as utterly ridiculous as the f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 08:17 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 08:12 AM
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Also with sexism in general, most men don't even know they unpurposefully take more room than women, disregard women's ideas, opinions, thoughts and the like. But that is not always and not necessarily a problem. The hidden logic here is status. People crave status largely in proportion to their testosterone. Some women have a lot of it, but that is fairly rare (and those women turn into feminists: look at how well digit ratio predicts feminism!) Most people are not natural egalitarians when it …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 08:11 AM
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Sure, but there is an issue. It seems the same things exist on both ends of the scale. For example, it is said betas chase women alphas not, but I would say gammas and omegas also not chase women, feeling they are unworthy. So alpha advice helps a gamma or omega not much. It seems on the low and high end the behaviors are similar and the middle of the scale is different. The same way RP says don't do much housework or parenting. But men who do much of it are on the middle of the scale. Alpha hus…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 08:01 AM
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I would argue whether it is so much more easier doable for all. It requires inner things like a bit of courage or aggressivity. For example if you are the type who usually does not dare to look people in the eyes that comes accross as fake masculinity no matter how big the muscles. I was through this around 1994-1995. Used to lift and go to clubs in sleeveless t-shirts to show the arms off... but as my behavior was that of the shy introverted fearful "neckbeard" it helped me little. I think it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/15 07:45 AM
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Theoretically yes but I think that must be not some common - how many guys want to harm someone they love, how many guys want to harm someone who can morph into a "firebreather" and turn their evenings into hell, how many guys want rat poison in their dinner? This cannot be too common. Sounds like a terribly dysfunctional marriage strategy, I don't think this is really being done. The only guys I can imagine get away with this would be the wife beaters and they tend to end up in prison. That is …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 02:53 PM
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I think it is the same topic! I think masculinity is pretty much defined as whatever men respect, the role models of pre-teen boys are especially useful because they don't yet need to compromise wiht reality. Maybe we just use terms "masculine" differently. But i mean in this essential sense. Not in a "whatever works for getting notches" sense, that is a too vague category. So this is useful for pointing out the definition difference. Masculinity is not any random thing women like. Women like gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 02:47 PM
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Legislation here treats a long term cohabitation as marriage: at separation, split property gained together.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 02:44 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/35zxpx/alright_bpers_im_open_to_your_ideas_step_up_and/cra13lg
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 02:43 PM
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This isn't even about her desire for him but more like she is too tired to have desires at all. She is saying in the article she is tired and overwhelmed by her duties. "It’s just that there simply isn’t enough of me to do everything I do and be his sex kitten." Tiredness / being overwhelmed. We are EXACTLY in this situation, she telling she she would need 4 clones of each other, one a mother, one a worker, one a housewife and then the fourth could have the time and energy to be a woman. I can u…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 02:42 PM
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I would be highly surprised if for any intelligent couple proposal would be the first time to talk about it. We talked over it back and forth, if we really want to spend a life together and family and all, in what country are we going to live and all that, before deciding on lifelong compatibility prediction. Then when we agreed, a month later, to make it more of a surprise, I proposed, although it was not real surprise we just both pretended it is for theatrics and stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 02:34 PM
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This is highly loaded. I feel like benefiting from my marriage. I have a family to live and work for. Otherwise it would be work and videogames and drinking myself to death. Which is better? Of course I could also choose a third path, like being a suave pick up artist, if I cared, but I think most guys are more like me, needing to be needed, not like an independent type of fella. "If military service benefits the military and not the soldier, why is it the soldier who proposes it by applying?" I…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 02:30 PM
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I think this can explain part of it, but I was asking about masculine men, not necessarily men women are interested in - this overlaps a lot but not 100%. In the A-Team Mr. T is super masculine but still Faceman gets the chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 02:28 PM
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Sorry, it seems we will not agree in this. Look at famous movie roles. If masculine is defined who boys like to identify with as role models (respect9, I am 37 so if I may be forgiven to use older exampel, in my childhood every second boy wanted to be Rambo. If I look at who the women lusted over, it was DiCaprio in Titanic. A different dynamic. I don't know your age, but if you remember the A-Team series from the 1980's, Mr.T was every boys role model in how to be a 200% manly man, the definiti…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 02:26 PM
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If SJW takes a turn towards fat activism, and there are certainly some signs of it, it can easily become a self-parody and lose popularity. The game is not over yet, as I have heard the next big thing to come is disability / mental illness activism and that is far different from fat activism e.g., far more likely to evoke sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 02:17 PM
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Hm, this rhymes a bit with something I noticed. Why are nerds smart? Because the non-smart nerds have so low social status that basically their existence is not noticed. However when someone behaves like an utter dork and people write him off, and then he is good at physics in high school people notice that and give a form of grudging respect, hence the smart nerd stereotype. By the same logic, it is possible that top guys also play at being unique, but we don't notice it, people notice mostly t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 01:10 PM
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Wait. I have figured almost the opposite. One of my hobbies is to figure out how being a nerd or neckbeard works (as I used to be one) and one of my hypothesis is schizoid traits. Schizotypal is NOT the same but kinda close. Also non-conformism is a neckbeard trait often. So I found the opposite pattern. Look at the Guntrip criteria for a schizoid diagnosis. Does it suggest alpha or neckbeard to you? To me 100% neckbeard. Of course schizotypal is not the same, still.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 01:07 PM
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I really don't see this working this way. Sure, it is true that a smoking hot GF increases your status in the eyes of other men. But still there is a difference between men who max out sexual success vs. men who max out the respect of their peers. Men who max out sexual success are often a somewhat metrosexual Captain Jack Sparrow type. Men who max out the respect of men are often of a super brutal fearsome Dwayne Jackson or The Hulk type. If you think about it, it MUST be different, for there i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 01:03 PM
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I don't really see how it is relevant. But I should add that there may be something generational here. Maybe today a high school is a TRP vs. SJW thing. 25 years ago it was the conformists vs. non-conformist metalhead punk rockers, and the succeesful guys were those who chose the conformist path - and excelled at it, at popular sports, at well paying careers, at everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 12:56 PM
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This is close to what I am pondering. And it does not look good. Basically I don't think I have even consciously noticed people are constantly gaming for social status points until I got like 30. Nobody told me this. But it is perhaps possible that subconsciously I noticed it, and this must also mean my own must have been low as you lose the game automatically if you don't even notice yourself playing. I and my whole social circle was non-conformist. But it is pretty much possible that is just a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 11:23 AM
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Fourthly, a goal for a LOT of guys is to have more sex. There is a way to do so that is proven to work, does work, and you can see working all around you... be masculine. Masculine is pretty much defined as the qualities chicks dig. I suspect it is closer to what other men respect. You almost never get lectured by women about your masculinity, you just get dumped or not interested in because "you somehow just don't have that thing that gives me the butterflies", but hardly ever explained. Howeve…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 11:11 AM
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Thanks, quality answer. This also matches my experiences - under 25 I found way too many women too immature, ideally, over 28-30 begins the good relationship material. One problem here is that RP tends to describe this as "going for the leftovers of alphas who are nearing the wall and willing to settle for a beta but still cheat on him" - i.e. I think RP tends to see it either a competition of winning status by other men with ultra smoking hot girlfriends (this also happens IRL that usually your…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 10:48 AM
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A quality take, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 10:32 AM
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Society and culture give women a free pass to behave shitty without consequences. Humans are selfish. Intelligent people tend to have internal moral compasses, doing what they consider right, not following incentives. By intelligent I mean actually intelligent, not shit like a PhD, which is more about ambition than intelligence. Also, the elusive concept of "class", not in the sense of how much money parents have, but really being "classy" (having good upbringing) plays a role. Often it is relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 09:22 AM
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i find (most) women under 25 to be completely undatable. Like walk out of a date mid way through undatable. I would like examples but perhaps visually. Have you ever found a youtube video for example that showcases dealbreaker behavior during a date?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 09:16 AM
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IMHO this is a complicated issue because it depends on the general fights about the definitions of rape or its various "degrees". Sure everybody hates the classic typical lowlife back alley assaulter, but once the definition was broadened to cover something like a non lowlife man see Julian Assange might do, there is less hate on them sure, precisely because the broader definition is something a non lowlife man might do, and of course whatever non lowlife people do does not get hated much, even …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 09:12 AM
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Can you explain it a bit? For example today there are people called demisexuals who only want to have sex when in love. Well, that is what I call NORMAL! Showing my age I guess but I never just wanted to bone random girls, I always fell in love. So I understand not having the urge to bone girls you don't love. But how don't you hopelessly fall in love with a classmate who is pretty? How does it not happen? To many ugly or rude girls around?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 09:07 AM
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24% of millenials are fat. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-blumenthal/millennial-health_b_862162.html
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 09:04 AM
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They aren't, only in the fantasies of the ultra-right. Some Jews are influential as ultra-rich businessmen, but this does not translate into group level advantages for the average guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 07:09 AM
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Sure but sorry to put it in such a rude way, what have places like Australia or America in the way of culture or history? Very little. So it is understandable. But for Europe history is huge. My state is 1100 years old, speaking the same language all the way, every year there is a procession with the embalmed hand of a king who died 1000 years ago... so it is a bit of a different story this way. Perhaps we don't have much for a future, but really a lot in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 03:02 PM
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Now, that is precisely the kind of bragging I was talking about. I think most people care. To be precise, I would not care for the color of future people if it was purely, merely color. But I think that immigrants will never perfectly copy my culture. So once my culture gets brown probably the culture will have changed as well and that is what bothers me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 02:48 PM
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Look, what makes us stupid is the whole setup here. The whole idea that there are different camps, red, blue, tribalism automatically makes people stupid: http://lesswrong.com/lw/gt/a_fable_of_science_and_politics/ Here is how to make it intelligent: taboo words like RP, BP, feminism, traditional etc. the most often used words have people instead visualize what they want and describe it with their own words.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 02:44 PM
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Whenever I see this opinion it feels like someone is bragging loudly how incredibly un-racist he is. Because it is obvious it is nobody's worry that weren't enough homo sapiens around but more like that white people become an endangered species or at least not numerous enough to be an important power block in Europe or America or these types of countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 02:40 PM
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Maybe masculine men not, but childish weak nerds like me yes. We often seen our girlfriends as our mothers. This tends to not work well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 08:06 AM
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Ancient Greece was far more complicated: On sex with women: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetaira On between men: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece "Given the importance in Greek society of cultivating the masculinity of the adult male and the perceived feminizing effect of being the passive partner, relations between adult men of comparable social status were considered highly problematic, and usually associated with social stigma."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 08:04 AM
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Compassion.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 07:58 AM
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Sigh. Troll accusations are really short-sighted. The world is a big place and you cannot really expect everybody grew up according to the latest modern western liberal logic. Things were a bit harsher behind the iron curtain and discipline was obviously not the only thing, but the most useful. A lot of the rest was more working towards spoiling me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 07:25 AM
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True. But then it means risks for the woman, being dumped as a single mum sucks and I think my woman would have never agreed to it without a ceremony where I promise before all relatives I won't i.e. wedding. What are the risks? Basically money. But without a family what would I need money for? Also where I live no alimony for the wife and 20% of your real taxed income to the child, assuming one child. That is really something I would be supposed to give anyway, a child deserves as much. Of cour…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 03:51 PM
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But loving a kid happens after you have a kid and see him blossom into a person. Not before. So it is not about hte original choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 02:55 PM
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Already have. What does for myself even mean? Kids are not cute toys. Parenting is a form of investment into another person, not fun. I don't understand how it would make me be a worse parent. It is not so much as good boy points but more like having a given goal in life as I cannot choose goals. I hate this fucking modern world where you are not given a predefined role and duties so you can say "If I do X,Y, Z I am allowed to respect myself". I would want to live in the past where they were giv…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 02:32 PM
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I disagree with what people consider good parenting today. This is one of this things I can get really conservative about I guess. The tougher parenting style our grandparents got was IMHO better. Today people think it is not mandatory to be a parent anymore, but if you are then you cease to be a person and must do everything from the angle of trying to raise a perfectly succesful kid, essentially eslaved to them. To the hell with that. Usually what kids require is some discipline, and a good sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 02:29 PM
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I used to spend a lot of time ignoring women, largely because I was sure I am unworthy for the holy pussy indeed. Now of course it is not the same thing as what you mentioned, one could even say it is the opposite end of the scale, say ignore because you are unworthy < chase because you think you may be worthy < ignore because you are sure you are worthy. Yet I wonder what the actually perceivable difference may be? In my "ignore because I am unworthy" phase I used to avoid all interaction with …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 02:24 PM
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This is the most confusing comment I have read all day. Do most men sit zombified playing video games? I don't see it, mainly because I am 37. You too mentioned you are older so you don't see it either probably in your age range. As for the young ones, they are pretty much children until 30 now largely because society does not need their work.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 01:16 PM
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Sure, but that grows later on. You cannot love someone who does not exist yet. Later on as they blossom into persons you love them for their own sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 01:13 PM
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The current internet feminist movement reminds me of the internet emo movement back in 2008. I was on Reddit when the favorite hobby of American Liberals was hating Bush. 2006-ish. I seems after Bush they figured they will just hate each other, and thus SJWs were born. Because make no mistake SJWs are so far left that actual conservatives are not on their horizon. They just attack less radical liberals. Even 5 years ago, Shit Reddit Says stood alone. Today, it is part of the SJW movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 01:10 PM
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If Europe is truly the future of leftism, then we're more likely to see a backlash to feminism and a return to a more moderate political system. Europe is the future of economic leftism, but my impression is that things like social justice, feminism and so on are far, FAR more aggressive in the US. Or even anti-racism. It never happened in Europe that a n-word type of word would becomes such a complete taboo or similar very strong anti-racist things. How can I explain it... a lot of feminism, SJ…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 01:08 PM
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We alternate weeks we cook This sounds unusual to me because it is like a rule. A rule means you must do something whether you feel like doing it or no and that is not nice with people who love each other. I would not want to be forced do things I dislike by my SO and I would not do this to her. So we have no rules. If none of us feels like cooking, we eat whatever the fuck is in the fridge. If we don't feel like doing housework, the floor stays dirty. To each whatever works, but I just want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:58 PM
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Hi, John Snow! I didn't know people still use the term "bastard". Sounds highly medieval. Today it is pretty normal to not have dad around.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:55 PM
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A family gives me a goal to live for, because just working and the finding ways to kill my free time sucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:54 PM
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Male, BP/PP, useless. Fuck looks. Don't have them anyway, tee hee hee. But if I had to live in a wheelchair, just fuck no.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:53 PM
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Neither, I never saw the point in pets, luckily my parents never pushed it. I guess it would have been better if they pushed it, I would have became less self centered through taking care of another being. But I felt no desire to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:52 PM
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Manage, well, support emotionally. All these "a customer at work has rude to me and now I feel worthless" things.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:51 PM
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Nothing, but on the other hand you would haven nothing to offer to someone like me either, so it checks out. I need a woman who needs me, who need my emotional support and everything, who yearns to build a real family. Otherwise I feel superfluous. So I am happy I found a wife who really does not feel complete alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:50 PM
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Just to inform you, the currently best scientific hypothesis on anger is that it is an emotion felt when we think other people broke some kind of a social rule. So it is a bit of a "policing" emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:48 PM
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Rely on the net of social and familial connections I have like any other human being. This is IMHO outdated: most people I know have neither. Yes it would be cool to live in those communities but people often live in a different city they grew up with and lose childhood friends and not make new ones and so on. You see, that is partially why the "socialism" stuff got so promiment, precisely because the personal social networks, the community stuff stopped working. And at some level it outcompeted…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:46 PM
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Jeans jacket, matching jeans is my go to wea and so far it gets positive feedbacjk.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:42 PM
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"Everybody look at me I am lifting!!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:40 PM
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BP/PP It is highly pointless question. Isn't it already hard enough to deal with firebreathing wives sometimes? Try doing that to her and you will have the mother of all dragons to deal with as long as your marriage lasts, which is to say not long. What idiotic man would try that? Usually you get the firebreath because e.g. some asshole customer at work made her upset and she is taking it out on you. So why would you try to make her like 100 times more upset by this? She will take every gram of …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:37 PM
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Male, purplish blue, 37/35 with a child. I don't understand this view challenge thing. We would not be a couple if we did not see the world similarly. Even when not it is a called a discussion, not a challenge. We have fights, but they do not come from disagreements. They come from one of us losing the shit because having a bad day or did not sleep at night well so an internal reason, own reason. Then we erupt in some fuck-yous but then calm down pretty fast and apologize. She has the weird habi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:29 PM
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It is where I live. Does not have such a dramatic effect, although, it makes for some really weird stag nights.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:19 PM
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No such thing as Western Society IMHO in this regard, as American feminism sounds increasingly aggressive while the whole thing is far more moderate in Europe. The "me first" culture of the US made men and women combat more or less directly for power, while the "compromise first" culture of Europe keeps the anger down. Well, on the other hand of course all this drama in the US at least keeps things interesting and in a weird way sexual. I think Europe is slowly and gradually drowning in an incre…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:17 PM
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I realized that maybe I don't want kids, I just wanted them out of guilt to my parents. I know it is an extremely conservative opinion these days, but I think sooner or later people really do owe it their parents to have kids. We cannot pay them back all the time, money and love they invested into us. But we can pay them forward and this seems to be what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:13 PM
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In all that happiness, I completely forgot about women. I mean, they show up at my door from time to time. Suck my dick, do my laundry, the usual. This sounds like either fantasy being more handsome than Brad Pitt You do not actually completely forgot about women but more like you spend 25 hours a day doing things that turn you into something women like (body building, sunbed, shopping for designer clothes, whatever).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:12 PM
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So seriously I would be interested in how people like you think. Ignore society now, ignore what people deserve, and focus solely on the problem of people in that situation, on how they feel or how you would. Suppose you spend 90% of your monthly income, in a rented apartment, you have a family, and then get unemployed and you cannot find a job in your profession and you are 5 years before the official retirement age so probably not a good time to learn a new one. What would you, personally, do?…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:05 PM
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Escapism, obviously, works pretty damn well for them. What is so obvious about it? It is a very, very human thing to go "sour grapes" and claim really hard that you are happy when you are not, as admitting defeat means the loss of status and face. I remember that when I was 18, and rather unable to find a girlfriend, I was more bothered about how it makes me inferior, lower status etc. as about not having the actual goodies like sex and love.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 09:24 AM
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Unhappiness isn't a moral panic. But I was pondering the "nerd sexism" stigma for a while and found this: 1) Nerds were always bad at womanizing, this is clear. But 20 years ago we kept trying and trying to improve. 2) Now it seems many nerds have given up and accepted they will never ever will have a GF. 3) This giving up is what can result in things that are seen as sexism. If you think you are hopeless at it, why not be an ass. If you are 100% sure you don't have and will never have a snowbal…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/15 07:34 AM
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Do I really have to explain it to a red-piller? Precisely you guys should know it better. Human happiness is determined by biology. You need things like a social life, sex, romance, status, pride, exercise and similar stuff to feel happy. Your life needs to be at least a partial simulation of the ancestral environment to feel happy. A good example is team sports, it has everything from tribal camaraderie, status competition, and exercise. And is sexy for girls. A guy shut in a room, engaging in …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/15 07:29 AM
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Perhaps it is the definition of nerdiness that I never really felt like the my body is me. What I always felt is me is something trapped in my skull, looking through my eyes, and remote controlling my body. So when e.g. the stomach feels hunger the "me" thinks "not again this body needs maintenance again or else it keeps bothering me, let's look for some fuel". I think this is a typical nerdy trait, not sure what, slight autism or slight schizoid spectrum. This is why nerdy kids during gym class…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/15 07:24 AM
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Hm, that is interesting. Here is what I have heard about it so far: it plays a role in mother-child bonding, when a man wants the mother-like unconditonal love from his GF that Rollo tends to criticize, that is probably this women release it after sex, men not so much Anything else?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/15 07:18 AM
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In my experience women like sweet things more than men do. Men typically get fat on alcohol and non-sweet unhealthy food, like pizza. However women drink less alcohol so perhaps it evens out.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 03:52 PM
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Oh I am sure we are pretty depressed and my parents were too. It feels normal, I guess, we just grew up not thinking life is fun but more like life is survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 01:13 PM
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No. But for what it worths we don't have either. We are not in college anymore most adults I know don't have friends. Because they lose contact with old ones and then just work and go home and rest out the work tiredness and thus we don't really do much friend making activities. As adult you have your family and that is it. This is how it seems normal here. When my dad needed a drinking buddy he would take his brother or cousin.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 11:53 AM
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No, a lot of feelings based stuff as well, it feels far better to hug a girlfriend than to hug a female friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 10:08 AM
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What is the one thing that a girlfriend provides that cannot be found elsewhere (at least, not without paying for it)? Love, validation as a man, devotion, generally inflating your self esteem by sending you the you-are-loveable message. You cannot really reduce a relationship to sex and friendship. There is this something else, this ego-boosting, validating acceptance as a lovable person that is somehow more than just "you are a good fuck" and "you are a good friend".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 10:07 AM
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Genetic lottery WTF hotness is 95% made not born, like hair, make-up, clothes, diet, exercise... just look at the famous "celebrities without make-up" photos... Also I think lowering standards in looks leads to affording higher standards in other things, like honor, honesty, kindness, intelligence. The funny thing is, it is far easier to pick up a woman who is excellent in absolutely everything that matters for being good relationship material but is lazy about her looks (so like a 5/10 because …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 10:03 AM
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I'm curious, what does it say to you that the most sexually desirable women, the women with the most sexual power/freedom, the most options, choose sexy bad boys? That the kind of hormones that ultimately result in investing the work into becoming a hottie want bad boys. A parallel: there are women my dick wants. They are not the same women I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 10:02 AM
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I think it is just disliking overly exaggerated or negative generalizations. Not all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 10:00 AM
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Because love is not supposed to be a business deal but grow into a selfless "we, not me" thing and that is a bad start for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 09:59 AM
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. while pink collar jobs like education and nursing were kept in relatively good shape due to government spending Over here largely by having more and more elderly people in assisted living
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 09:52 AM
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I am not unemployed, you genius, I described what would happen if I would be one. Apparently, hypothethicals only work beyond a certain IQ level... There are three issues with your view. One is completely ignoring the idea of economic recessions and depression. No, not everybody is going to find a job in 3-6 months during these periods, because demand is lower than suppy, obviously. The second being having a formal job is the only way people contribute. This is, quite frankly, a fairly abnormal …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 09:38 AM
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Well, more like opposing it by shaming etc. that seems to be the story.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 09:12 AM
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Your mistake is looking at numbers instead of taking costs into consideration. Forget the number and look at what it buys (I explained above, a single person could hardly rent a room, a couple would have to live in a smelly ghetto etc.) First world prices, not first world entitlement. It is very misleading when you just look at monetary numbers. I have seen a pretty average looking house in London advertised for GBP 3 million. Therefore, per definition that amount of money does not make anyone r…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 09:07 AM
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Because it's damn near impossible to "fall out of life" in a first world country? Nope. We live in Vienna, Austria which boasts very high levels of social spending. Yet it is not so. We would get decent unemployment for 6 months, but after that only social welfare, which would be maybe for two people €1200 a month. Our rent and utilities is €900, other fixed costs, from public transport to insurances etc. adds things up to €1100, eating adds up to €1600 and so on. So we had to move out from our …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 08:49 AM
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They (grasseaters) are also highly unhappy, involuntary-celibate, and escape into videogames. Not a life to envy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 08:44 AM
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Looks and status are actually somewhat related. I (man) looked the best when I was less lazy about my clothes and everything I bought was designer and matching.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 08:42 AM
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IF some thing is so patently false then it should be demonstrably easy to disprove. I think the mistake is thinking that in that context "bigot" reduces to "patently false". I think in that context the meaning of bigot is closer to "evil" than "false" although of course it means both. So I think the idea there that debating with "evil" makes it look "not-evil".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 08:33 AM
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A classic, but maybe someone haven't read it yet: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/02/23/in-favor-of-niceness-community-and-civilization/
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 08:31 AM
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I found TRP through AskReddit or something discussing what the worst subreddit was. Heh. "No such thing as negative publicity".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 08:27 AM
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Let me try to play the devils advocate: I see no solipsism on women who live a normal life. Work, friends, social life. But "lock up" a woman into a lonely, boring housewife role and it kicks in. E.g. my mother. It was absolutely infuriating how she could only approach every issue through the lenses of how it made her feel or how she related to it personally. But frankly after 15 or so years in the "suburbian prison" one must excpect some kind of a personality change. So you may think it is some…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 08:26 AM
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But the sappy romantic movies are mainly about high social status men too. OK Titanic was an exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 08:23 AM
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1) Masculinity has a high range. Ultimately the only way to be not masculine is to be a self-hating loser. Women are attracted to everything else, from the raw brutal wrestler to the elegant ,thin comedian. It is important not to see masculinity narrowly. Anything, everything that is at some level succesful and makes one proud and tall is masculine in the sense of attracting women. 2) Roughly agree. I see women hopelessly trying to rescue relationships with complete trainwrecks. Of course TRP is…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 08:22 AM
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Sexual selection?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 01:59 PM
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Yes, but the active rejection happened because it was not individualistic but too closely associated with militarism.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 10:01 AM
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Looking at how dangerous childbirth is, the most Darwinian thing would be every woman alive walking around with huge wide hips and iron vaginas. Wonder why it didn't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 09:03 AM
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It would be good to make up your mind whether you are talking about high quality men or most men. Most men, over 30, will marry easily, not even going for good looks, but more for an agreeable personality. Life just gets boring alone, friends marry and have kids, they no longer want to go on drunken rampages all over the city :) and you find you have nothing to do, feel bored, and the idea of a not necesssarily pretty but real nice missus to share your life with starts looking good. Now high qua…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 09:02 AM
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That's because mainstream has abandoned masculinity and left it to the fringes. Could be, but I am afraid it is older than this trend (this trend is not older than 1970). Already during WWI, yes, I, or even back in the 19th 18th century, masculinity in Europe was exploited by power hungry rulers to push men into being soldiers and dying for "glory" which usually meant rather useless wars of conquest. It was rarely this American type of "rugged individualist survivor", rather it was always the br…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 08:54 AM
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Lifting does not automatically generate the "Conan" mentality. It moves one a bit towards it, surely, but it does not magically turn everybody into a rampaging viking. Caveat: I know shit about these currently fashionable power lifting style stuff. When I was young I was more into traditional body building as that was popular in the nineties (so some composite lifts, yes, but also isolation work like curls). Perhaps it is different now... but back then with that type of training there was only a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 08:44 AM
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Frankly our first child is so difficult we don't plan a second one. All our free time went down the drain due to the constant, absolutely constant need to comfort and entertain day and night. I have no idea how other people do it. Just last night my wife was up 5 times which means practically no sleep at all, as it takes time to fall asleep again. If we had known this, we would have seriously considered rather adopting a 6 year old. I don't think getting sex is too hard, I think it is hard if yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 08:34 AM
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I guess you personally should not reject it. My personal theory is that most RP guys were already problematic before swallowing the pill, so the problem is not merely RP but pre-RP. And yes you show the typical pre-RP problems. Instead of a meaningful relationship with a girlfriend you just want to get blowjobs. That is precisely the issue. To put it differently, you are already "doomed". RP just makes you better at being "doomed" so yeah, why not. Another issue is that you already see the human…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 07:45 AM
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What does bitcoin have to do with it at all? It is partially a tax avoidance tool and partially an anti-inflation tool, the later mainly supported by the Misesian anti-inflationists, but even from that angle it would be pretty hard to draw a connection. In fact, the Misesian theory predicts you get more hedonism and sexual libertinism during inflation (time preferences getting shorter). Any other theory just accepts a moderate inflation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 07:31 AM
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It could be pretty radical. You see, our whole last 300 years of history, Age of Enlightenment, liberalism, leftism, everything, even libertarianism, is basically about becoming pacifist, civilized people who abhor violence. Even on the "right", libertarians who believe in a principle of no aggression are clearly pro-civilization. And on the "left" even more, where even verbal microaggressions are not tolerated. The issue is, the idea of a raw, high-T masculinity is not 100% compatible with it. …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 07:28 AM
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Satoshi Kanazawa got it IMHO right: general intelligence suppresses instincts. Instincts are evolved programs for one particular purpose, intelligence is general-purpose, so you are likely to use it even when using instinct may be better. More intelligent people are more prone to "overthinking" problems. This is why trade schools (or their equivalents, blue-collar places) exhibit far more RPish behavior than the circles of intellectual sophisticates where BPish behavior more or less actually wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 07:10 AM
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Who said it is rational for women to want taller men? It is what it is. Obviously it is unfair, as it is something you cannot help, but you cannot really influence people's desires. I don't think most men care about partner counts, it is a RP only thing. I would say, many men including myself dislike women with overly slutty clothes or being too flirtatious, but aren't particularly attached to a number, it is a bit "too conscious", desire isn't math, it happens in the hindbrain, not really much …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 07:08 AM
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Never tried that, I don't like sounds very much so I don't listen to music or podcasts, sorry, my communication is almost exclusively written.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 02:29 PM
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No, but you will most likely notice the manipulative ones FAR more frequently, because you will notice hotties more often and 90% of being hot is knowing how to use make-up, clothes etc. to best effect i.e. a form of manipulation. Aside for the rare natural beauty, beauty is manipulation so we notice manipulative ones more. I think if you would look at those women who just look comfortble and do not try to make looks that impress men, the answer would be no.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:44 PM
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Depends on the definition of better. I don't think it leads to excellent engineers being born, more like excellent athletes, who are far less useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:39 PM
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The guys who have money are often not adventurous or fun. Often they are boring software developers. Often the most fun guys are utter bums.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:37 PM
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Not all men. Typically the high-T jock guys only. Nerds and so on are only moderately interested in sex and far more in relationship validation. Usually all this manipulation happens only inside the fairly narrow circle of athletic, hormonal, animalistic, hedonistic, worldly people, people who are not very high-brow, not very withdrawn from the world. If you are more of an intellectual nerd type who connects to life through books only you basically don't even see this happening, as the nerd girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:37 PM
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Perhaps... they are manipulate with those guys who seem too focused on getting sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:36 PM
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I have the impression this could be a pretty interesting, deep, philosophical discussion but pretty much all the examples contributed so far (68 comments) are, not to put a too fine point on it, crappy, either superficial things like divorce laws, or "things I don't like" kind of stuff. I don't think I can do it any better, but I can try. Today a war of conquest is considered a war crime. So you cannot simply launch a war because you feel like annexing some provinces to your country like it was …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:31 PM
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TL;DR if any group of people are seen as superior, more will be expected from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:25 PM
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It is a generalization. I am a man, and rarely cared for sex, but far more for love. I am not a testosterone "monster"... more like a boy in an adult body, feeling kinda lost and scared. So I tended to see my mother in my romantic partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:23 PM
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He grew his company from a small one-desk office to a multi-million dollar enterprise. This is exceedingly rare for the 1%, usually the inherit their wealth. You are turning the exception into a model. I remarked that the work the contractors were performing was "low work." My father never disciplined me by striking me. Instead, he came right up to me and told me grab a shovel. I complied, not out of fear, but because I deeply respect him. For the next eight hours, I worked in the trenches with …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:19 PM
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No. I think there is a natural urge to fight, but it is a fight between equals who are a "good sport", so roughly equal chance to win or lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:15 PM
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Transcript please, like fuck I am going to watch a long video when I could just read a ts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:14 PM
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Not really, but a caveat, I think people who marry at like 22 are idiots. I think people should fuck their brains out in their twenties then settle down around 32-35 and make a kid or two. It means I think people are not supposed to marry for sexual desire, but more for the project of making a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:12 PM
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No offense, but it sounds vaguely like compensation. Like the guys who were often beaten up as kids and compensated with becoming 5 dan martial artists. (Nothing wrong with that, as long as it is consciously chosen and not impulsive.)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 10:09 PM
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Well, okay. Just curious - you have any intellectual type goals, like academic type, or purely on the pysical and social level?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 07:15 PM
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My point isn't to fail, but to choose the goals to win or fail more carefully. Why do you think low-T nerds are failures? They are pretty much the people who invented everything about the computer you are typing on. The difference is, the winning is in the intellectual field, not in the physical or social. What do you find so vomit-inducing about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 06:41 PM
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I've been to two therapists (one whom is Freudian, incidentally) and both were unwilling to work on removing the depression. OK that is really bad. They are really bad therapists. It is clear they are not doing their job. This is really surreal, the official position is that depression is real even if you have a good reason to be depressed, and can be addressed separately. You have obviously never been deprived of the validation that comes with sex. Of course I was. Between 19 and 34, had sex ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 11:07 AM
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Seriously - had you told my 18 year old self that I was a particularly masculine specimen (nobody ever did that, though), I would have felt insulted because I was used to seeing masculinity as something negative Interesting... I would have thought the same... but to spite my parents, mostly. My parents were more like normal blue collar folks who would have liked if I know tools be strong etc. I wanted to be and appear smart, and it seemed to me masculinity is not smart, and to be smart and intel…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 10:56 AM
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90% is tone, but I find tone super fucking important because that reflects the feelings behind your thoughts 10% is basically assuming everybody is a prole, every man thinks with his dick and every woman is half a slut
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 08:36 AM
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I don't understand what it means to dismantle a standard. I also think both are fairly rare. I think it is mostly the "proles" where women do porn actress things and men be jealous. This is not really an educated middle class is supposed to do. Also commitment is not preference. You fall in love or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 08:34 AM
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And their families do not consider it a duty to make another generation of heirs? I am a guy but the sad face every time my parents gave me when I visited them and told me "don't worry, just knock up any girl, you both can work on your careers, we will raise the child, we will do everything, just give us a grandchild already we have nothing to do..." let's say there was some motivation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 08:31 AM
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Which will mean a lot of baby-mom bonding does not happen, this can be bad for the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 08:30 AM
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Um, a wedding is not a piece of paper. It is a big thank you ceremony to your parents for raising you and basically promising the family that you are taking over from here, you stop being children, instead have children. At least this is how our wedding was meant. It was a thanks for raising us, now we take our turn in furthering our families. Now it is our duty to make a new generation of heirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 08:29 AM
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men hate women who challenge them I believe that there were several women with high intellectual capacities throughout history who were pressured to dump themselves down in order to get married. This seriously does not compute. How does the second follow from the first? I don't hate if women disagree with me, and I don't consider that a "challenge" (don't have stupid pride), but I guess if some guys are proud all their smart wives need to do is to disagree in a polite way. "Er, maybe I am wrong,…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 08:28 AM
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By nerd I meant things like being asocial, distant, cold, not socializing, no friends etc. not nerdy hobbies, I don't have any hobbies, I just do what I must in life to get by, I don't have any interests. What kind of time and effort you commit to an LTR? This always weirds me out. I commit nothing, money of course but I don't need money, I don't like to buy things. Other than that, there is hardly any effort committed. I come home from work. We talk. I play some videogames. Eat dinner she made.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 08:25 AM
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There are many attractive male stereotypes who don't fit into either. Look at Johnny Depp as Jack Sparrow. The silly, outsider, crazy, humorous, metrosexual adventurer type for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 08:19 AM
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You began writing it as a deep and wise sounding comment, but halfway through it fell into non sequitur. You didn't explain why does desire matter. I mean I was with you that it is not sex that matters most, because I have always been a very low libido man, never really cared. Just wank it off the build up of fluid disturbs me, didn't care. I did not marry for lust. I married for good partnership. We did not even had much sex before marriage and that was good, she always disliked her figure and …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 08:18 AM
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Really? Which one? I think it all depends on what people want. E.g. gaming power or projecting hipsterdom or what.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 08:05 AM
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For me it did, funny how girls I lusted for now look like giggly immature children and it would feel very pedo to lust for them. Currently at 37, my too-childish-to-lust-for threshold seems to be around 22-23. Top threshold around 35. I would say, my preferences also went from thin to chubbier, but this is something I can never figure out if it a "true preference" or just a way to deal with my own bacon, i.e. too afraid too thin women would see me too flabby, I wonder if there is a method to tel…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 08:04 AM
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Maybe autism is just a subset of intense world. What I found is that RPs seem to be very passionate, have strong desires. So they must feel the world intensely (interesting, challenging, all that), just not intensely enough to be autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 08:00 AM
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I think it demonstrates how strongly how they are treated by others affects people's behavior and personality. Pretty people get treated well and become nice, ugly people treated badly and become bitter and scheme revenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:59 AM
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Absolutely agree, but that is why I am BP, my interest in women goes far beyond sex so I don't really care so hard on making them lustful... surely care, just not so much. I can easily imagine my marriage working even if she loses all the lust, and me being just her home philosopher basically, and she is either getting her sex from somewhere else or not getting it, or me too doing the same. This would work far easier than the opposite, a marriage held together only by lust. But I am a nerd.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:56 AM
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I think it is not true, moreover, this may be illuminate the RP/BP difference... maybe you would put up with a hot but dumb wife because maybe you think sex is the only important thing women bring to a relationship. Since for me stuff like long talks are incredibly important, I would much rather wife a less hot but more intelligent woman. So it may demonstrate that most of our difference goes down to RP types seeing women more as providing sex and not much else and BP types seeing women as real …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:54 AM
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Because you said they are cheating each other. that is not a third option but invalidating the first two.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:51 AM
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I think you answered this in another thread: Steve Buscemi creeps even me out, and I am a man. It is his eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:49 AM
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This is a huge oversimplification. Creepy means scary, and it is possible to be simply ugly without being scary. Of course women are not attracted to neither ugly nor scary guys, but the point is they don't find all guys they are not attracted to scary or creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:47 AM
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I think the idea is simply that therapy can remove the suicidal depression. Not that it can solve the problem. Freud put it brutally honestly, therapy is about making abnormally unhappy people normally unhappy. But again, there is a problem on its own focusing too much on getting sex instead of getting the whole package of romantic relationship. Sex is about 60 euros a go accross the channel in Amsterdam. The hotel room costs more. It is not a big deal, not too valuable. Love, now something is v…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:40 AM
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Your life must be painful...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:32 AM
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That's because I know it is easy to pick up women if you lower your beauty standards a bit and not even in the sense of hamplanets. In high school I was an incredibly ugly looking (death metal clothes) nerd with high social anxiety. The only thing going for me as a funny, although very acidic, sarcastic sense of humor. TWO girls in my class of 15 boys 15 girls were giving me THOSE eyes. Not even landwhales. One even was a swimmer, good body, she just dressed like a boy, had acne and teeth braces…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:30 AM
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One of the common issues here seem to be too much focus on methods and less focus on goals, on who to choose the right goals, on how to decide what things are worth wanting. This sounds like a good example of this problem so please use this as a practice exercise. It would be easier for her to get what exactly? Get fucked by hot guys? Sure. Get a clever, funny, caring, so overally high value husbands? Probably not, at least I am not sure much of a value I am as a man, probably not much, but sure…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 07:22 AM
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This is more like helping, not dictating. I too often seek advice of what I should want.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 06:46 PM
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Because this is just an example. The issue about what to want and not want here is not really about these serious mental illness issues, just emotional growth issues. Relational vs. transactional attitudes to relationships vs. sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 06:16 PM
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Than you, this is an excellent post, and deserves more than just an upvote. I too come here for these. I agree this is more fun. Although it makes you live in "interesting times" in the sense of the Chinese proverb (i.e. attract trouble) on the whole it is more fun. I didn't exactly choose to be a indifferent cold fish type, I just ended up like this somewhere in the childhood, somewhere all the school, parental and classmate discipline ended up killing my potential for passions. I guess if I co…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 06:11 PM
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In between, many anecdotes, which don't constitute a scientific evidence, but a weak to mid strength probability still. Women can just as often or even more have to deal with mental illness, and suicidial tendencies, but usually it is not loneliness based. The cat lady stereotype is kind of true. Women can go for decades with pets and female friends without a relationship. Sad, really sad, but not sad enough to off it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 05:54 PM
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This is not very useful because a too umbrella term. It says nothing about a persons motivations, aspirations, values etc. it just says these values are basically not socially acceptable anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 03:13 PM
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I can sympathize with that seeker attitude, I think I used to have one in my first 30 so years, then kinda getting tired from the lack of really definitive answers. But the issue is, even if some of you questions are answered on TRP, how can you stand the people? I mean for example when reading Atlas Shrugged, I did agree with a few ideas, but the whole thing just hit me as sick on the moral, ethical, psychological level, lacking basic human warmth and kindness, and this is similar IMHO.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 02:37 PM
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I don't speak for all men either, but wanking off for years before trying sex basically made me think it is just a borderline disgusting thing to get rid of body fluids, while I longed for the kind acceptance and validation true love means. I think I was projecting my mother into potential girlfriends, in a way. I was not conscious of that, but basically I wanted disappear and dissolve in their hugs and all that. I think it is pretty usual for nerds. All this was reinforced by the huge amount of…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 02:13 PM
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OK, I see your point and I think a lot is right in it, just... It creates a tendency to harm yourself, potentially commit suicide Blink. What? They don't think they owe it to their parents to live or and be unharmed? This is what absolutely weirds me out. Okay, some people have huge major depression... but aside that, just what kind incredibly self-centered and selfish person would kill themselves if they know it would cause his or her parents unending grief? Do they really think their life is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 02:08 PM
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I think what you guys need to understand is YOU SHOULD THINK HARD ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT DO YOU WANT TO WIN. What often weirds me out about RP is the incredibly shallowness, bone hot babes, have lots of money, have high status friends, big muscles, being the life goals. You know what is that? Pop. Culture. If you want that you are literally no better than the people in TV, you are literally as crass as the idols of TV addict low-class proles. Ponder about that. You have no one bit of intellectual or…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 01:27 PM
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I am not talking about friendly love, but romantic love. I am not talking about communicating a friendly only interest, I am talking about communicating a romantic interest, not a raw I-wanna-bone-you interest but an I-wanna-make-you-my-partner interest. So it is the other kind of love. It is not the no-touch friend love, but the cuddle romantic love, the kiss the neck love, and not the drop-those-panties approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 01:22 PM
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I think a lot of guys are far more interested in finding a partner than really wanting to have sex. Example me. My life was always empty without a GF as I had not much social life. But I did not need much sex. Even having a fairly sexless GF was awesome because I could suddenly do things that would be weird to do alone, like eating at restaurants or going dancing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 01:20 PM
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Women's bodies break the laws of physics, the smaller the size, the higher the visibility, with large size comes invisibility. Some researchers theorized a truly enormous female hamplanet would only be noticed by her gravity waves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 01:18 PM
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But the assumption here is that it is stuff like rejection men need the empathy of women for. I don't understand this. In my marriage I need empathy for bad days at work, grieving for my dad, various pains in my body... I don't go about and ask my wife to pity me for all the women who rejected me before her, that would be shit weird. Of course nobody can expect this kind of empathy, this would devalue your value as a partner. But all the other kinds? Just empathy with the general shit in life, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 01:15 PM
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I find it surreal how real you think personality disorders are. Are you American? There is this stereotype that Americans find no shame in going to psychiatrist and claiming their weird behavior or feelings are some disorder. I am totally not used to it. In my experience if people behaved strange, people just told them you are strange, they were not diagnosed, because nobody was interested in turning strangeness into something medical. To this day, I have no idea if I am autistic, or have social…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 01:11 PM
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Why does it feel like you TRP guys live in a more... intense world? Not just the intensity you make or seek out, but the random intensity that just happens to hit you. Like having crazy friends. Now of course perhaps it is because I never had many friends (about 4 as a life total), but basically I never met crazy people, were not in weird situations, I would say my life is pretty smooth, uneventful and boredom is more often a problem than like having real problems. Naturally, I am pretty BP. Is …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 01:08 PM
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I have heard this a couple of times and I always get confused. I thought the TRP definition of sluts / high partner counts is the girls you see who, how to put it, seem really happy to use their sexual power, flirting with all the guys, wearing very revealing clothes, just really being "party girls". So girls who are a bit too hedonistic, a bit too happy about having a hot body, right? But every time I read this I get confused. Is it actually the opposite? Should I imagine the typical slut as su…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 12:51 PM
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I think it is more neutral terms from academia become hugely morally loaded terms. Or not just from academia. Today someone on this forum mentioned the term mansplaining so I googled it. The lady who originally came up with it wrote articles about men explaining things to her in a patronizing way, but her stories were more like amused and ironic, not too aggressive in tone, I think she was not very mad about it, just kinda annoyed. Then other women picked it up and it became used in an aggressiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 12:37 PM
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France’s is especially convoluted and difficult to parse: It allows for satire and even blasphemy (like cartoons that run in Charlie Hebdo) but not for speech that incites violence toward individuals Dafuq? This "convoluted and difficult to parse" approach is IMHO pretty much the most straightforward, sensible and intuitively obvious one, and follows fairly closely the originally liberal JS Milton idea of free speech ("yelling fire in a crowded theater is not allowed") i.e. the only proper excep…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 12:28 PM
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I am confused here. You think whatever the author has to say depends on what kind of person he is? What if a shitlord happens to be right or a non-shitlord wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 12:20 PM
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The interesting thing is that the "left" very rarely uses the term "politically correct", it was coined by the "right" as a term to describe attitudes they disagree with, apparently it was always a critical, negative term: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness Let's assume now this is correct. Then the fascinating part is that on the "left" there was, apparently, not one concept, one goal, one ruleset about this, but a basically many different unrelated ways of speaking grew into o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 12:19 PM
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This is really weird. Since that I am normal for people I know (nerds), maybe TRP is far more masculine as what I consider normal. This could explain some things...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 11:29 AM
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Why do you assume I am a woman? If I was one I had zero interest in this debates. I would write off TRP as assholes. Since I am not, I am here to figure out what makes us so different. Now I feel insecure. Why do people assume I am a woman? Does my posting come accross as feminine just because I am not a sex crazed man and care more about relationships with women than just hot bodies to fuck? I was always "beta" and often could find girlfriends. I just went to online dating and filter for those …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 11:13 AM
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What is mansplaining and how can you predict what it would be? My post would be so much more focused on depression treatment, as women rarely get very lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 11:07 AM
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Your problems (BP angle): 1) clubbing. The problem is clubs are a highly advanced arms race of people with nuclear levels of attractiveness are picking up each other. Tinder too. Why compete in this field? you could just hit up any online dating site that focuses more on matching personalities than photos. 2) too much focus on sex. seek love. sex will follow. your problem is not that you are a virgin. there is very little difference between being a virgin and not being a virgin. you will feel a …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 11:03 AM
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You can't tell people what they should or shouldn't want. Why not? People's wants flow from their mental states. Basically it is like telling people your mental state is fucked and get therapy or something for it. You can tell people to not want to kill themselves, for example. The way to tell them is to send them to depression therapy. It is the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 10:48 AM
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I got so indoctrinated with accounts of how bad women collectively have it (and how it's collectively men's fault); So you grew up in a feminist extreme and went to the other extreme. I grew up in the middle, and guess what, stayed in the middle. Nobody was feminist to me and this is why I don't understand the TRP need. It's like you grow up raised by nazis and then you think you need to become a communist just to be on the other extreme. Why not the middle? I cannot even imagine what are female…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 10:46 AM
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Empathy between the sexes is harder than people give it credit for, simply because the male and female experiences are vastly different. I think no, for example our marriage is very empathic. The experiences are not different, we are through the same shit, from annoying coworkers to knee pain or bad sleep or me losing my dad or her dad is drinking enough that probably she too will soon. Why should it be so different? OK we both are low-libido nerds, perhaps for men and women who just sparkle wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 10:34 AM
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I think taibo means that you are supposed to have a social life and learns from friends, relatives, parents. You know, that is how people learn cooking too, not from website but other people. I mean is TRP basically for the socially excluded guys, who just cannot observe their friends pairing off with girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 10:32 AM
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How many women are exposed to feminism? In my circles, nil. They are not "blue stockings" they are honest blue collar gals.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 10:30 AM
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I don't think he was ugly at all, although I am a man and not the ideal judge... but if his market would not have been expensive London bars but more like some online dating app in Shanghai, I think it would have worked... he sort of came accross as classy and fun on the photos.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 10:26 AM
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But why would he need a bar hookup? Why would not he have his passion for food get him together with a fat woman who loves cooking and eating? This is the weird part about this, I think he never even wanted bar hookups, I think he wanted a partner who shares his passion and it is why it is so weird he could not find one. Aren't plenty of fat women out there who like a man who knows all about eating? It also seems he was tragically over-focused on his race... maybe London is indeed not the best p…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 10:22 AM
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If it is that easy, just close the sub and redirect it to /r/fitness Protip: there are men who are not in shape who still have girlfriends. Especially food bloggers, food aficionados, they should be able to find a girlfriend who is also a food lover. I.e. fat :) But that is a tragedy only if you objectify the living hell out of women and this is the main issue here, the issue of rating girlfriends purely on their erection-giving abilities. The worst part is claiming all men do this... no only TR…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 10:20 AM
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I think the issue is unsuccesful at what. Normal guy success: having meaningful relationships with women RP success: pulling hot babes So really I think that is the issue, TRP is the only place that gives you advice because TRP is the only place that agrees with your goals. Why should people who disagree with your goals give you advice how to achieve them? But the point is, you could maybe listen to why they disagree with your goals. And this is not feminism. This is just normal-not-TRP-guy terr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 10:11 AM
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First of all, what the heck does feminism have to do with this all? Feminism is the other fringe extreme group. BP is not feminism, BP is mostly just the normal middle pretty comfortable with traditional norms as long as they are maintaned with a sense of tolerance and kindness, not seeing women as fuckboxes and not creating an ideal that men who don't see women as fuckboxes are not masculine enough. The issue is assuming a bunch of college humanities blue stockings are somehow all-powerful. Oh,…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 08:24 PM
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It is because the issue is RP people, not RP theory. Often correct theory, in wrong hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 07:52 PM
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Sorry, but potential Dark Lords in the Harry Potter sense helping each other somehow does not elicit my sympathy. The problem is not RP ideas, but RP people. The core problem is misevaluating the usefulness of women, seeing women as walking pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 07:51 PM
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Availability heuristic (AWALT), bandwagon effect, availability cascade, holy mother fucking fuck of a confirmation bias, holy mother fucking fuck of a congruence bias (any alternative hypothesis ever considered?), noncentral fallacy ("BP is radfem"), framing effect, and I got bored at letter F...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 07:49 PM
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I could show you a hundred girls not fat and yet you would say they look like shit. Crappy clothes, lack of good hair, lack of make up... basically the ones who look as laid-back as we men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 07:45 PM
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Yes, but let's pay more respect to looking attractive. It is hard. Sugar is basically catnip for women. It is hard enough for a man to not be fat, but testosterone helps. And men don't usually even like sweet shit, we get fat on bacon, bread, beer. Women do. Every not fat person is a hero and women doubly so. Then clothes, hair shit, skin, I guess it must be hard. As a man I like the privilege of for example being allowed to chew nails and still not considered repulsive. For a woman it would be …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 07:43 PM
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Holy fucking jesus. As for romance and sex, marriage is already obsolote since the 1960 hippies, where did you spend the last 50 years? Hippie marriage, like my parents, is kinda ironical. But for raising kids, it is still useful. People already only marry when they want to reproduce. Beyond 30. I have not seen anyone stupid enough to marry at 22 just because of romance and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 07:41 PM
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Rarely are they honored. We intend to. I guess that is why I am not RP and not BP... sometimes don't understand modern people... we are unmodern enough to not retract a promise made before 50 relatives and friends even if it gets bumpy - somehow we were not raised selfish enough to consider being "happy" more important... we both have honor. And it makes us neither RP nor BP, just kinda "outdated". (Not BP as BP is modern, and not RP as RP is all about a man getting sex often, I don't, and don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 07:39 PM
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Way to make a huge overgeneralization... as if only two kinds of societes exist, conservative and liberal... Hint: Japan. It is not hard to divorce, but people have this sense of discipline that I made a choice, made a promise, I stick to it... are they conservative?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 07:36 PM
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To your original post: "It is not Nazis but Bolsheviks who are the real Nazis" The point is, why focus on the two extremes? Seriously think outside RP everybody is feminist? The majority isn't. Just media, college, shit like that, but the majority not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 07:34 PM
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Look, don't pick a fight in biases. If we go through properly the major biases (lesswrong.com sequences) RP will look like shit. Seriously, this is unwinnable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 07:32 PM
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Sounds likely. Also, some hope, this is more of an American phenomenon, not a generic first world one. In my country no alimony, and child support is 20% per child, up to 40%, of actual, real, taxed, not imputed income. So as America europifies, as I think she will, this can change.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 07:29 PM
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It is sorta cool when people are neither trolling nor being serious, but kinda in between. When they want to express a real view, but make it really outlandish for fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 06:52 PM
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I guess it's a bit like reading Atlas Shrugged. I would not argue with that book. I would simply point out a healthy mind does not write such a book. That I find debating only useful with people who are not mentally ill. Ableist that may be, but it feels obvious. I mean, to me it is obvious that Atlas Shrugged is the result of a seriously stunted emotional growth, an utter lack of warmth towards other people, some amount of paranoia, and some amount of narcissism. You simply don't debate with th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 12:00 PM
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