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Some of us would still like to read it, if you have it available? No worries if not, however.
/r/MensRights28/09/13 10:34 AM
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I'd be interested in seeing the rest of the convo. Perhaps you and the rest of us could get some feedback, or insight into why the negative reactions, that way? But of course you might not want that, so no worries if not. Sorry to hear that you fell out with old friends. Hopefully you can move on from the disagreement and have a great friendship, albeit maybe one that avoids gender issues (though hopefully not of course)!
/r/MensRights25/09/13 11:36 PM
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Good luck with it! If I were you, I'd choose whichever aspect of the issue you feel most comfortable writing about without researching or using statistics. So, yeah, if it's right for you, the issues you mention above sound like they'd make for a very interesting essay. Let us know how the essay is going?
/r/MensRights25/09/13 10:37 PM
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That's an interesting view. It's possible that that's what's going on here. However, what about a similar fetish with the genders reversed? Would a rape fetish page be OK on facebook? It seems a bit like saying: "offensive content is not OK, unless it really turns you on, in which case it's all good!"
/r/MensRights25/09/13 03:32 PM
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Thanks for the info. I realised that myself too. I messaged them as you suggest a few hours ago and will let you know if I get any more information. In the mean time, would you rather I don't post like this?
/r/MensRights24/09/13 08:04 PM
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They did look pretty bad after the previous protests!
/r/MensRights24/09/13 09:16 AM
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Haha. Who's a woman? /u/oneiorosgrip is!
/r/MensRights23/09/13 04:11 PM
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Hi, I just want to say that you made some really good points. My initial response was fundamentally an emotional one. After thinking about the kind of arguments you made, I think it is a really difficult issue. For me, it's not about one person "tricking" another, and it's not about infidelity. I certainly don't think adultery should be illegal. For me, paternity is way more important than those other things. If a man gets another woman pregnant, well I think probably his wife does have a right …
/r/MensRights23/09/13 03:32 PM
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I'm replying to you but my comments are as much a response to the OP as well! Superb analysis from both of you. A few things I've thought about this that might also be relevant include the following. Women tend to retire earlier than men[1], which I think must contribute to the divergence in old age that you point out. In addition, it's not clear to me whether income is really the right thing to measure for elderly people, who are often living off of their savings. This is another area where dod…
/r/MensRights23/09/13 01:21 PM
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Yes, absolutely superb info in this thread. Thanks to both /u/actanonverba and /u/the_people. The only thing I would say is that the "Ms-information" joke in the OP is very funny but I think it is better not to make such jokes. At the very least, if we ourselves are not 110% respectful to our rhetorical opponents, it makes it harder for us to point out their bias and hurtful comments.
/r/MensRights23/09/13 12:52 PM
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She's a woman!
/r/MensRights23/09/13 11:56 AM
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Interesting document, thanks.
/r/MensRights22/09/13 10:40 PM
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I don't agree. Imho lying about paternity should be a serious crime, and doctor-patient confidentiality shouldn't protect you from prosecution. Confidentiality wasn't the only reason cited too. And it appears the author of the article went further, saying that men shouldn't even be made aware of the possibility of paternity testing in general.
/r/MensRights22/09/13 10:36 PM
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This is very interesting. Thanks for posting this link.
/r/MensRights22/09/13 10:33 PM
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I don't see how these comments have been buried? My understanding of reddit isn't good enough to figure out how, so I'm curious. Also, her comments are really excellent. As are those of the guy she linked to. And finally, I thought a lot of the comments in the whole thread (not just the portion /u/waldo1412 linked to) were pretty good.
/r/MensRights22/09/13 12:04 PM
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Yeah I hope you're right. I just worry that the media will blame MRAs for the security being necessary rather than the protesters. Hopefully not though.
/r/MensRights21/09/13 08:32 PM
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It's obviously not right that CAFE are expected to pay such a large fee to hold their event simply because their opponents and critics use violent and dangerous means to disrupt the talks. I really hope CAFE's events can continue to go ahead. In the future, perhaps another location would be better? Also, I think it should make for good debating and marketing material. Feminist events can be held on campus because men's rights activists don't cause problems for them. But men's rights events have …
/r/MensRights21/09/13 05:41 PM
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I think men could really benefit from discussing relational aggression and covert abuse in all its forms, mostly because we're so woefully inept at it. Yeah, I think it's important for men to be educated on it so they can spot when someone is basically abusing them, and so they can respond it a way that effectively protects themselves. Otoh I wouldn't want men to start doing it back in retaliation.
/r/MensRights16/09/13 08:56 AM
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Yeah, I think that's right. And also I find a lot of researchers in those environments take on the prevailing views of their colleagues. They hear so much dodgy research that in the end, they start to believe it too.
/r/MensRights15/09/13 12:40 PM
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Yeah, I definitely agree men should rightly be more selective in who they spend time with, and who they marry! I do still feel that talking about it sometimes works. Oftentimes guys don't say that they find those jokes about being "cheapskates" to be so offensive. I know that the woman in your example should realise that it's potentially offensive for herself, without being told. But if the guy told her how he felt, either there and then or in private later, she might understand. It depends on t…
/r/MensRights15/09/13 12:26 PM
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Hi! Well I don't know about that particular case. I just mean in general really. That woman was being really obnoxious I agree. And in her case, yes, perhaps it's hopeless to continue engaging with her, after expressing your condemnation of whatever she has to say. But in other situations, I think walking away can set men back sometimes.
/r/MensRights14/09/13 10:04 PM
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Hi Dungone! I know what you're saying, although I'd say walking away isn't always best. Although "Shawn" has an irritating way of saying it, I do think men have a tendency to walk away too often when in conflict with women. Part of combating sexism against men is giving men encouragement to stand up for themselves, imho. Walking way is honourable but not very effective in changing people's minds because your voice doesn't get heard.
/r/MensRights14/09/13 07:37 PM
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Haha yeah. You do wonder why they don't notice that. Or perhaps they're frightened of the reaction if they point that out? Who knows.
/r/MensRights14/09/13 07:28 PM
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I agree with pretty much everyone else here (so far at least!). I would only add that the gender-related problems that are facing men today don't affect all men equally. So for example, while some of us are lucky enough to have good qualifications, many men are not in that situation. While some of us never had behavioural problems in school, many boys do. While some of us have never been homeless, many men have. While some of us never felt pressure to be manly, some guys do. Etc. It's easy for w…
/r/MensRights13/09/13 10:27 PM
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Agreed. Very well explained.
/r/MensRights13/09/13 10:19 PM
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Haha made me laugh. (No disrespect to anyone, btw.)
/r/MensRights13/09/13 10:17 PM
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Haha We're bigger than "Ass" but smaller than "Boobies". We have a long way to go...
/r/MensRights13/09/13 10:16 PM
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Sorry if I'm missing something but where does it say begging counts as rape?
/r/MensRights12/09/13 04:00 PM
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Never let your rhetorical opponent frame the issue. Good advice from /u/femdelusion there. And also I can't help but laugh at the article itself. How do they think hard about an issue and reach the conclusions they do? It talks about "parents" twice, never mentioning the mother and her ridiculous behaviour, or the fact that she's been able to prevent a child from seeing his father for a whole year for such absurd reasons. Nor does it mention the mother's lawyer arguing that since the child had n…
/r/MensRights12/09/13 01:18 PM
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The last thing of interest that she said was equating knowledge in women's studies with quantum mechanics(and some other less technical disciplines). Beginners in those fields should discuss them with their professors without having done a lot of research. Just like women's studies(this is my own sarcasm). Definitely give that presentation! It would be a really great discussion with her and the class. She or another (group of) student(s) can present an opposing point of view, if you like. Also, …
/r/MensRights04/09/13 09:55 AM
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I don't think you're missing out if she deleted you. You can find some other facebook friends who are nicer or more open-minded. On facebook it's tempting to compromise but she really did you a favour and forced you to find some friends you actually get on with better.
/r/MensRights03/09/13 08:28 AM
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I laughed so much reading this sub-conversation. So many people banned from those subreddits just in the last week! Who will it be today?
/r/MensRights02/09/13 03:10 PM
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It does seem strange (and imho rude) to delete that thread and to ban you altogether. Possibly they didn't like just linking a video with no additional text (beyond the title of your thread). Possibly they didn't like the tone or the implication that feminism doesn't already work for human rights. Possibly they thought it was baiting them? Most likely I guess is that they felt it was accusing feminism of not already working for human rights. I really don't know and your question doesn't really s…
/r/MensRights02/09/13 12:10 PM
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Hello DidosRevenge. There are lots of women who post here already and more are always welcome. As others have said, most people here are really "gender egalitarians" or "equalists" except that they feel they have to provide a counter-balance to the dominant, and often one-sided, perspective on gender equality that comes from feminism today. Men's rights is a reaction to what we see as feminism's one-sidedness, rather than a movement we even want to exist on its own. Imho /r/mensrights contribute…
/r/MensRights02/09/13 08:47 AM
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Do you think she suggested talking more after the class just so that the other students wouldn't hear your point of view?
/r/MensRights31/08/13 05:31 PM
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I guess this particular argument has finished now. I'm probably too late. One thing I'd point out, however, is that if we just use the raw data, then society also appears to disadvantage men in many ways. I'm sure you can come up with a big list but, in terms of raw data with no adjustments made, there are far more men in prison than women, men lose custody of their kids more often, men die on the job more, die earlier on average, drop out of school more etc. Saying men earn more because they wo…
/r/MensRights31/08/13 04:43 PM
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Hello, thanks for your reply. Unfortunately I typed a considered response only to accidentally hit refresh and lose it! So you'll have to make to with the condensed version. There are already several links in this thread showing researchers who give very different estimates of the ratio than the 3:1 ratio that's often accepted without question. The OP gave a CDC study [1] which found no statistically significant difference in the rates of attempted suicide between men and women. The researchers …
/r/MensRights30/08/13 10:36 PM
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A lot of people here in /r/mensrights are posting out of a genuine and honest interest in gender issues and a concern that men are also negatively affected by our society's attitudes. There's a common sentiment here that feminists are sometimes biased and reluctant to consider alternative points of view. It seems to me that there are some good questions being asked in this thread about where that oft-cited 1:3 ratio actually comes from and how reliable it is. Several sources have been cited here…
/r/MensRights30/08/13 03:59 PM
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It's very good what he said. It seems extremely unlikely he'll get his inquiry but it's good that he's talking about these issues. And he's probably right.
/r/MensRights30/08/13 11:51 AM
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Hi, it you want my (unsolicited!) response, I would say that I have a lot of sympathy for you in this situation. I think your intention to help was good but I do think it was perhaps an intrusive way to do it. It's sad but sometimes offering help can upset people so I think it is important to be cautious when trying to help. Next time you could try making an open-ended comment and see how the other person responds. However, her assumption that you were sexist is also wrong. As is her decision to…
/r/MensRights30/08/13 11:25 AM
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Thanks for writing this up. You make a strong case for another woozle!
/r/MensRights30/08/13 09:56 AM
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Ah OK, cool! Well I'd recommend it but it's not for me to try to give advice or to pry into your private life. Doctors and therapists can help and you might like to give it a go. Best wishes, whatever you choose to do! Edit: Also if you do want to talk about it, I'm interested and willing. :D
/r/MensRights27/08/13 10:17 PM
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You've been speaking with a doctor about how you feel? That sounds like a good idea just because what you've been through is extreme. I've been lucky not to have to deal with that kind of stuff. I know you might not want to talk about such personal stuff with me so I won't ask any questions. That said, if you do want to talk, I'm definitely willing to listen and offer any reflections or perspectives I can if it'd help. It must of course be difficult for your girlfriend too. And I hope she can se…
/r/MensRights27/08/13 05:12 PM
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Hi, sorry to hear what's been going on for you with your mum and sister's views on feminism. I think you're doing exactly what you ought to do, which is cool for someone so young (I assume). Seeing a therapist is a great idea for all sorts of reasons and I hope that helps with this too. Definitely bring this issue up and explain how you feel about it. Of course some therapists are feminists too so bear that in mind. You can always see another therapist if you think it would be more beneficial - …
/r/MensRights27/08/13 05:04 PM
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Thanks for the reply. I'm curious what makes you call yourself a feminist as well as an MRA? Your explanation makes sense - Betty Friedan probably fits into that category. I think for many other feminists, rather than some of the especially vocal ones, there must also be other things going on? For example, it's very common for me to find feminists who think men are privileged because we're more likely to have a powerful job, who never tried to have such a job themselves, or who gave it up, worke…
/r/MensRights26/08/13 09:42 PM
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Really sorry to hear that all this happened. (Great that you have a son though, of course!) Hope this doesn't sound strange but have you ever considered talking to a doctor or counselor about what you went through? Patti was clearly extremely abusive and anyone would be traumatised by that. I'm glad you can talk to your friends and girlfriends about it though. Best wishes!
/r/MensRights26/08/13 09:11 AM
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That's a good question actually! I think I probably use them interchangeably in many situations. I guess it's not grammatically correct but it seems natural to me and I suspect a lot of people do this. It only sounds reasonable when you use the contraction though: saying "there is different meanings" doesn't sound right.
/r/MensRights25/08/13 11:09 PM
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Haha! Well I find Tumblr really hard to follow. Why on earth they persist with that way of showing the history of a thread, I don't know. Imho you wouldn't need to publish a post often at all. Your blog could simply be a repository where you store and document some of the facts, research, insights you've clearly built up over the years you've spent thinking about gender issues. It would be a real shame if all that knowledge existed only in your head and wasn't shared with others. I know you post…
/r/MensRights25/08/13 10:33 PM
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Your username suggests an interesting perspective! Hope to see you post more often, because what you've written is nice. For instance, a lot of today's feminists - including myself - were explicitly taught that patriarchy is bad for men. I do have some reservations about this aspect, however. It's been my experience that most of today's feminists also talk about "male privilege". Although they say "patriarchy hurts men too", they usually have a complicated attitude towards whether men are helped…
/r/MensRights25/08/13 09:51 PM
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I'd like to to see more posts like this. It's exactly right that we need to consider how to communicate better, and what we want to achieve. We need to disenfranchise the ones who want supremacy and co-opt the do gooders. The more we keep trying to destroy "feminism", the more we force the do gooders to lump themselves in with the female supremacists. Agree with the above bit especially. But how do we do that? Well let's talk about patriarchy. Patriarchy is the boogeyman, it's the devil. It's ev…
/r/MensRights25/08/13 09:44 PM
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Or for thinking rigorously...
/r/MensRights23/08/13 11:17 PM
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Hi, thanks again for your reply. I've thought a little about your perspective and, although I find it a thought-provoking one, don't quite see things the same way. That said, I don't want to be an argumentative jerk as I normally am! I also appreciate the personal story and compassion for all people - men and women - in your comment. I can only go off of my own experiences and for all I know, you maybe just understand women better. So, as always, don't feel any need to reply or explain anything …
/r/MensRights23/08/13 10:42 PM
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Hi Tamen, great info as always. When are you starting your own blog? :p
/r/MensRights23/08/13 08:26 PM
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Thanks for the reply. That's also interesting to know. I think it'd be good to organise as many students (high school and college) as possible taking screenshots of these "courses" pushing controversial political opinions onto young people. What year (age) did you get that class? Obviously don't feel you have to respond or answer!
/r/MensRights23/08/13 08:23 PM
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Thanks for showing the screenshot then. One good thing to organise would be to get as many students as possible to take screenshots of similar quizzes and to publish them here or on another suitable website. I think this sort of thing is political indoctrination and should be exposed.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 08:21 PM
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Slight typo in your comment. With views like those written, you would make a fine feminist: it will take until the 119th century for women to reach equality!
/r/MensRights23/08/13 08:17 PM
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Thanks! That does help. I'm very sympathetic to your point of view and would like to see it thoroughly documented. It's quite hard to find really detailed analyses of everything those early feminists said and did.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 08:15 PM
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Thanks! Also, Nicola Graham-Kevan's research is a good place for the OP to look. http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2Fs10610-007-9058-z.pdf (This is the original link: behind a paywall unfortunately.)
/r/MensRights23/08/13 07:56 PM
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Hi, thanks for your reply. I realise you might not want to keep answering questions so feel free not to! But otherwise, I'm always curious how we would assess how much men and women are each hurt by a patriarchal society? What method could we use to weigh up the advantages and disadvantages we each typically get? Presumably your view is that women are quite significantly more affected than men, in order to justify the word "oppression"? How much more affected, if we can measure that? I agree tha…
/r/MensRights23/08/13 07:37 PM
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Out of interest, what's your definition of "patriarchal"? Why do you think it's useful as a concept/term? Do you believe in, or find useful, the concept of male privilege?
/r/MensRights23/08/13 06:48 PM
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Is this genuine? I don't mean to be rude but that is pretty blatant indoctrination. If other students have similar quizzes, I think it'd be a good idea if more of you took screenshots because this ought to be publicised more.
/r/MensRights23/08/13 04:31 PM
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In many ways I admire your attitude, though I do have some reservations. I think you've got to be careful in gauging whether you're really in agreement with someone in situations like this! Oftentimes I have discussions with feminists and we essentially agree on all main points, that men have problems, need more help etc, and so I think we're making progress. And then at some point it becomes clear that they're still going to focus mainly on women's problems, saying they're more important etc. I…
/r/MensRights23/08/13 02:49 PM
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You've written about this a couple of times now. It's an interesting example for sure. I'd be very interested in looking at what involvement feminists in particular had in lobbying for involuntary draft laws for men only. Is there a good place to look for this information?
/r/MensRights23/08/13 02:46 PM
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Might have already been said but some obvious examples include: The Simon Fraser University Men's Centre controversy (Search on youtube) The UofT feminists protesting Warren Farrell, Janice Fiamengo and Paul Nathanson and Katherine Young (Again well-documented on youtube) Murray Straus and Nicola Graham-Kevan on feminists' distortion of social science research into domestic violence http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V74-gender-symmetry-with-gramham-Kevan-Method.pdf Typhonblue's seminal article on ma…
/r/MensRights23/08/13 02:39 PM
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Agreed. Apart from my own, of course! :D
/r/MensRights23/08/13 09:21 AM
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Hi Kate, thanks for your comments. I'm curious which bits of feminism you think there's some confusion about? From reading your replies so far, it all seems fairly familiar. You say that women are a "disadvantaged class" and that although patriarchy hurts men too, men also benefit from the patriarchy, that men don't "realise" our problems come from the patriarchy and that "women don't have equality yet." These perspectives are some of my main problems with feminism. I think they're one-sided, or…
/r/MensRights23/08/13 09:08 AM
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Good article from Christina Hoff-Sommers. I think she's basically right and thank goodness someone is saying it. I'm glad I'm not 7 today (even if my comments give that impression). The only thing I take slight issue with in her article is when she says that some very small fraction of boys might be prone sociopathic behaviour. I'm not convinced boys or men are necessarily any more prone to it than girls or women. It's true that most people who shoot kids in schools are men or teenage boys, but …
/r/MensRights19/08/13 04:27 PM
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Thanks for an interesting comment. I agree and disagree. All too often men's rights does fall victim to a victim mentality and I strongly agree that that's not good for men, or appealing to visitors to this subreddit. That said, I don't think being anti-feminism automatically means you're taking on the mindset of a victim. I think you can be against a philosophy or an opinion for many reasons and you don't have to make yourself out to be a victim. It's good to hear about Rosalind Coward's views …
/r/MensRights19/08/13 02:26 PM
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Interesting writeup, thanks! Also, I'm curious what the rape stats are in Norway since downvotedbastard mentions this in the comments here.
/r/MensRights16/08/13 09:45 PM
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Imho the answer is: the large majority of people who disagree with them nowadays. Sure, there are some anti-feminists who hate women, or hold very traditional views. But most people who don't call themselves feminists simply want equal compassion for all. Not unreasonably.
/r/MensRights07/08/13 10:32 PM
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Thanks for your replies, both to me and to Aaod above. Fwiw, I disagree with you on your main point here, though I'm sure you would say the same about me! I'm not convinced that women's self-esteem and body image issues are worse than men's. Various research, for example [1], shows that men worry a lot about their appearance too. It might seem "obvious" that women worry more because we hear more about women's problems in this area. But I think that could simply be: (a) feminists reinforcing the …
/r/MensRights06/08/13 01:19 PM
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Short Description of What Pushed Me from the Feminist Camp... I am a white hetero male. :D (And out of interest, why aren't you an MRA?)
/r/MensRights06/08/13 08:41 AM
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:D He wasn't quite the head of the whole thing, but he was elected to the board of directors of the NY branch, 3 times no less. In terms of sources for firex726, Warren Farrell himself describes how his audiences reacted to his new views in many of his videos and books. Though I can't remember which ones off hand. Edit: Incidentally, Betty Friedan actually was the head of the whole thing, and was instrumental in founding it. She also describes how (some) feminists marginalised her when she start…
/r/MensRights05/08/13 03:29 PM
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You're getting lots of answers so I will just focus on the bits that resonate for me. I don't dislike all feminists as people (though of course I do dislike some of them). For the most part, MRAs don't make the political, personal! I want to see an inclusive movement to foster compassion for everyone and greater awareness of gender issues. Feminism has done some good things but imho the harmful things it's done outweigh the good. Feminists have misunderstood statistics on almost every topic. The…
/r/MensRights30/07/13 08:16 PM
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Are you a man? If yes, have you ever been molested by a woman? If yes, have you ever told anybody about it and been told that "You clearly wanted it"? Yep, to forced kissing rather than molestation. I was blamed by her friends for hurting her feelings by rejecting her too. Your other examples are great as well.
/r/MensRights30/07/13 07:48 PM
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The OP is correct imho. Men and women are equally likely to attempt suicide based on these data. The slightly higher absolute number of women attempting it is just because there are slightly more women in the population. I do agree with much of what you say though! Just wanted to clarify this one point. And tbh I don't think we really know very much about suicide. Maybe men are less likely to report it in surveys like this?
/r/MensRights27/07/13 11:22 AM
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That's pretty blatant discrimination against men. Glad that someone is emailing them to ask for more information. I think it'd be worth following up on this. Maybe tell AVfM about it and see if they want to publicise it. It's possible the restrictions on help for men only apply to a small part of their services: financial help excluding treatment costs. It's still discrimination though. As far as I can tell, looking at their annual reports, the organisation is split into two: Cancer Care, Inc. a…
/r/MensRights27/07/13 11:09 AM
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Interesting! If you want to and think it's appropriate, you could tell us more!
/r/MensRights23/07/13 06:11 PM
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Great article. Although they quote the feminist, she ends up looking pretty silly in the final sentence of the article. This is the first mainstream coverage I've seen that has mentioned our arguments about the "made to penetrate" statistics from the CDC. I think that Alison Tieman did a great job explaining it - the best way is to focus on male victims of rape because a lot of mainstream people will care about that if only they know the real statistics. False rape accusations are more controver…
/r/MensRights19/07/13 08:37 AM
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Well done to you and the OP for taking action. It's great that you got a response. I think it's a fairly meaningful response. They clearly wrote you a well-considered email, and they went over their records. The impression I get from the email is that they were a little reluctant to explicitly come out and say they care about boys equally. They preferred to use language like "caring for all children" which doesn't quite go as far as talking about boys specifically, in response to your question. …
/r/MensRights16/07/13 09:19 PM
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Great story. Surprised no one else commented yet. It's great that she's saying these things. She's right that men need to speak out and she's making that easier. For the record, she's a little more conservative than me on other issues though.
/r/MensRights16/07/13 11:50 AM
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One factor could be that the public responds more sympathetically when you show them a picture of a vulnerable girl. If the ads are there to encourage people to donate, showing missing girls might result in more donations. Obviously there's a deeper problem here, if this is true: that people care more about missing girls than boys. I'm just saying it might not be missingkids' fault but more to do with the public's bias.
/r/MensRights16/07/13 11:19 AM
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Do you have a link to the raw data?
/r/MensRights15/07/13 08:28 PM
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I was reluctant to read this because the title made me imagine getting another list of the things men have been doing wrong for the last few millennia. In the end, I found it an interesting read. Must check out ladyboners myself! Good luck with your university course.
/r/MensRights15/07/13 03:05 PM
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Yes, to some extent I agree, Advice_Scaminal. But like some other commenters, I suspect this will be couched in language that's insulting to men. The phrase "toxic masculinity" for example is not something I want to discuss. I don't think women would want to consider that their problems are caused by "toxic femininity" either. Of course I strongly agree that there are social pressures that constrain men, just as the feminists have shown happens to women. I want to discuss this without blaming ma…
/r/MensRights14/07/13 10:06 PM
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Thanks for the reply, Isabelle. I think that an appropriate campaign to help people understand consent better would be beneficial. But it doesn't follow that the original "that guy" campaign was necessary, because there might have been an equally or more effective campaign that didn't offend so many men, or reinforce negative stereotypes about men. I agree with you that "male or female, sex with someone who's too drunk to understand what they're doing is rape." But I think the 48% claim is misle…
/r/MensRights14/07/13 09:49 PM
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It's probably true that some guys do need to be encouraged to reflect a little more on what consent is all about. But this is also true of many women. Guys can be too drunk to consent and some women still think that those guys are fair game because we're always gagging for it, or because if we have an erection we must be consenting, etc. It's not only the tagline that's offensive, in my personal view. The imagery also reinforces negative stereotypes of men. It would be better to show that women …
/r/MensRights14/07/13 04:04 PM
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I think some of the responses are a little unfair. The articles about gender she has on her blog are interesting and open-minded.
/r/MensRights13/07/13 11:14 PM
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Interesting thread but I'm a little suspicious. Is it normal to find research participants on men's rights sites? Sounds like this study and others like them could easily get any answer they like by just recruiting subjects on a suitable website. Also, I think the questions I've seen can lead to answers that can be misinterpreted by the researchers. Over the last few days, I've seen a statistic bandied about that "48% of Canadian men ages 18-25 don't think that having sex with an unconscious wom…
/r/MensRights13/07/13 01:48 PM
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JohnKimble, thanks for posting this excellent article - I'd not seen this one and it's the best one I've yet come across. What a joy to see that there are still a few journalists who think, as well as write. She deserves some thanks.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 11:37 PM
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Agreed, it's a great little note on the issue. I hadn't seen that quote before - and it really does give the game away.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 08:37 PM
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Lucky you! :)
/r/MensRights10/07/13 10:27 AM
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I tend to agree with LiterallySchmiteraly. I don't know what kind of relationship they each consented to, or what kind of activity they were engaged in when the photograph was taken. Lots of couples enjoy, and consent to, physical aggression and even pain. If physical force is always illegal, any guy who slaps his girlfriend's ass during sex (with her permission) should be in prison. Any girl who uses her nails or hits you during sex too. You can't tell by the look on someone's face either. Unle…
/r/MensRights08/07/13 07:56 PM
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Thanks for sharing this. I found it interesting, and fairly positive.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 07:39 PM
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It's good that the BBC are running this story and showing that men are affected too. He's a brave guy.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 06:44 PM
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Why? :D
/r/MensRights07/07/13 10:30 PM
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Awesome!
/r/MensRights26/06/13 10:10 AM
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Welcome! One thing I'd say is that you probably have faced discrimination in some way for being a man without realising it. I'm not saying that to get you angry or feeling like a victim at all. I just think that everyone is treated differently because of their gender, and discrimination affects everyone to a greater or lesser extent. For example, if you've ever felt embarrassed to cry in public, then you might have been affected by the stereotype that big boys don't cry. Or if you've been embarr…
/r/MensRights26/06/13 08:52 AM
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This is very interesting! Thanks for taking the time to do all this. Obviously one needs to be careful when interpreting the results. It's possible discriminatory factors were still at work, like the audience or host encouraging men more than women, for example. Nevertheless, the results you have are very interesting. If only academics would investigate things like this, rather than pandering to their own (or others') biases.
/r/MensRights23/06/13 03:35 PM
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Would be great if we could hear more about this.
/r/MensRights22/06/13 10:55 AM
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I've wanted this kind of data for a while, so thanks.
/r/MensRights22/06/13 10:51 AM
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Very interesting, thanks!
/r/MensRights22/06/13 10:50 AM
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Very interesting study! This sort of evidence is very important for men's rights and, unfortunately, far rarer than it ought to be because (imho) of a bias in academia towards seeing women/girls as automatically victimised and vulnerable. I'm looking forward to reading it in detail later. Thanks.
/r/MensRights20/06/13 05:54 PM
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I'm impressed with that politician, Julie Bishop. Good for her. I don't even think her views are as rare amongst women as they sometimes seem.
/r/MensRights20/06/13 08:36 AM
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I appreciate your concern about the way colleges handle sexual assault cases these days. But, I think it's important to ask in this case: where's the evidence that she's lying? Perhaps I missed it but I don't see any evidence at all either way here. We mustn't let our concern for the way men are treated as potential rapists lead us to assume women are automatically liars. Apologies if I've missed something here.
/r/MensRights17/06/13 10:50 PM
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Yeah that's a good point. My mum was more involved than my dad because we had a fairly traditional division of labour but I was lucky that I got and have a good relationship with both.
/r/MensRights16/06/13 10:48 PM
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These are great points. I also just went out with my dad to the same place we took mum on mother's day. I didn't say anything but on mother's day we got champagne on the house, this time no special drinks or anything else out of the ordinary. So, for what it's worth, it's not only families that respond differently on father's day than on mother's day: it happens from restaurants too.
/r/MensRights16/06/13 10:46 PM
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That's a great question - I hadn't thought about that. The numbers do seem correct as far as I can see. Cancer Research UK appears to be the source (links below, for mortality rates and incidence rates separately). I agree with you that 1/4 is really very high, if this is in fact all correct. The situation in America is a little different, although still surprisingly high at about 1/8 (see cancer.org below). I don't know why it would be different. Life expectancy appears to be slightly higher in…
/r/MensRights15/06/13 04:39 PM
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There are some good points to the article. But it also has a lot of sexism in it imho. The author says women are multitasking powerhouses and wonders why we don't have two mother's days. She says men need to "lean in" more at home. She could also consider that both parents know full well which parental role will lead to a closer bond with the children and that men give that up because they want their wives to be happy.
/r/MensRights15/06/13 04:28 PM
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The source is alexa.com, a popular source for web traffic statistics. Just go there and type in the site you're interested in.
/r/MensRights14/06/13 02:30 PM
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Very interesting. As we all suspected, Feministing and Goodmenproject are the same site! I'm curious why AVfM has no visitors from "school". Is it blocked in so many schools, colleges and universities? Why not blocked at work too?
/r/MensRights14/06/13 02:28 PM
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Very good and interesting article by Pierce. I have to say, though, that the randomness of Tamen and IcarusLived talking about jockstraps and then reading a serious reply from Pierce was hilarious. It's great if people really are starting to speak out against this, and no one would know if they are better than Pierce. The policies mentioned that are in place at Princeton and Stanford are shocking. I had no idea it was that bad. I'm still cautious though because I wonder what pressure will be bro…
/r/MensRights14/06/13 02:13 PM
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While sexual assault might represent a strong deterrent from ever reemerging within that system, No, no, no, a thousand times no. There is no silver lining to rape. There is no upside to rape, ever. The comment by John is even more damning of the article. And yes, the article does completely ignore the fact that it's mainly women abusing boys.
/r/MensRights14/06/13 08:36 AM
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Imho the answer to the original question depends on which data you're using/citing etc. Different researchers and organisations obviously gather data in different ways. The best thing to do is to read the original papers and reports whence the data comes. This is the only way to get accurate and detailed descriptions of what the data really is. To give some examples, though, US census data is sometimes used, so in this case it's self-reported data where people fill out the questionnaire and esti…
/r/MensRights13/06/13 01:01 PM
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The article itself is very good imho, possibly the best I've ever read from a professor of women's and gender studies, but then this one is a philosopher too! The comments below are a different story. Almost every comment from women, and about half from men, are against giving men more rights over paternity. Susan, in Eastern WA, helpfully suggests a man keeps "his pants on" if he doesn't want to be a father.
/r/MensRights13/06/13 08:58 AM
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It's a terrible article in several ways. It seems she's partly out for revenge, having originally used the real names of the man and the other women he slept with, plus the place where he works, so as to publicly identify them. In that context, it's interesting to me that she uses the word rape and emphasises so much her own helplessness. It's a way of trying to get revenge, at least in this case. That said, clearly she has every right to be upset about what happened: if true, she has certainly …
/r/MensRights06/06/13 04:18 PM
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Hi EElsy, thanks for asking the question since it's something you clearly care about. I have a few fairly jumbled thoughts in response. For me, this would be a huge issue, as basically the whole point of a relationship for me is to enjoy loving the other person and vice versa. I'm not sure I could ever have a relationship with someone who believed I was incapable of love. What if you have kids? Will she think you're unsafe around the kids as you're incapable of loving them too? I'm a little surp…
/r/MensRights19/05/13 11:14 AM
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Thanks for this link - it's very interesting. The policy is outrageous and nothing new: Mayor of London Boris Johnson had this happen to him (possibly it was even his own kids?) several years ago and wrote an article about it, as most of you probably know already. I'm not sure but I believe some airlines did change their policies in response to the publicity and a court case. The coverage was excellent and very fair to men I felt.
/r/MensRights06/05/13 10:38 PM
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Very interesting research, thanks for writing it up.
/r/MensRights30/04/13 07:32 PM
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Yes you're right, the difference in last-year sexual assault between men and women is surely not statistically significant and I don't think Tamen or I meant to imply that it was, although I didn't phrase it clearly. The interesting point is simply that this is another government study that will be used to inform public policy and debate despite being highly unreliable.
/r/MensRights29/04/13 12:40 PM
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Yes, that's one of my primary complaints about feminism: it plays down or turns a blind eye to men's suffering, even when the men are facing the exact same problem as women do. Saying "men can stop rape" or that rape is a women's issue is an example, because men get raped too. MRAs do argue against traditionalist men and women. They call those men white knights, manginas, enablers etc, although I don't like those words. I think MRAs do argue against many stereotypes that feminists would claim "h…
/r/MensRights29/04/13 12:00 PM
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